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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Nintex on April 15, 2019, 01:45:33 PM

Title: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: Nintex on April 15, 2019, 01:45:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFhfmdXBuQY

Just caught it on the news.
It looks pretty bad.
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Post by: Tasty on April 15, 2019, 02:05:19 PM
That does look bad.

Damn this sucks. :(
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Post by: team filler on April 15, 2019, 02:12:26 PM
Sacrebleu
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Post by: agrajag on April 15, 2019, 02:13:45 PM
it's always sad to see historical monuments get destroyed
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on April 15, 2019, 02:16:44 PM
But is it lit?
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Post by: paprikastaude on April 15, 2019, 02:20:18 PM
is collapsing now  :goty
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Post by: Nintex on April 15, 2019, 02:23:37 PM
https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1117852874128658433 (https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1117852874128658433)T

There won't be anything left.
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Post by: Propagandhim on April 15, 2019, 02:26:25 PM
Holy shit.    How the fuck?
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Post by: Mr Gilhaney on April 15, 2019, 02:29:50 PM
respect from copenhagen
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 15, 2019, 02:30:18 PM
Holy shit.    How the fuck?

They've been doing a bunch of renovation recently, seems like it could be related to that.

Still, whether it was an accident or intentional, this is absolutely devastating to see. :fbm
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Post by: Propagandhim on April 15, 2019, 02:32:22 PM
This is unbelievable.  Tragic.
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Post by: TVC15 on April 15, 2019, 02:35:35 PM
:(

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Post by: team filler on April 15, 2019, 02:41:45 PM
https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1117853035689062400
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Post by: Mr Gilhaney on April 15, 2019, 02:51:22 PM
Varg Vikernes is living in France. Just putting that out there.
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Post by: Himu on April 15, 2019, 02:56:00 PM
Tragic!
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Post by: Don Rumata on April 15, 2019, 03:01:48 PM
Goddamn.
Gotta be honest, if i was the guy who took a smoke break where they shouldn't have, i'd probably be jumping in a vat of acid right now.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 15, 2019, 03:06:38 PM
CBS has a pretty good view of the fire right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGbmWOfdXcQ
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Post by: Akala on April 15, 2019, 03:08:14 PM
 :-\
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Post by: TVC15 on April 15, 2019, 03:18:49 PM
We still have Chartres, right guys?

https://youtu.be/p67d9F9nW2Y
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Post by: team filler on April 15, 2019, 03:19:28 PM
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1117840292986490880
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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 15, 2019, 04:01:11 PM
Some construction company's insurance company is sweating bullets right now.
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Post by: Himu on April 15, 2019, 04:31:54 PM
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1117840292986490880

i knew it wouldn't be long till someone used this as a way to express that this represents the fall of western values
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Post by: Raist on April 15, 2019, 04:33:01 PM
That... does not look good.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4OHeEIWAAA46Pi.jpg)
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Post by: Himu on April 15, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
how the fuck did it catch fire anyways? It is easter season so that means lots of heated incense. Maybe it was that.
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Post by: Nintex on April 15, 2019, 04:38:14 PM
That... does not look good.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4OHeEIWAAA46Pi.jpg)
Is the fire brigade on strike or something.

At this point they might as well send in the flying water tankers.
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Post by: Himu on April 15, 2019, 04:50:55 PM
They were on the roof trying to get it out. The materials are probably highly flammable.
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Post by: Tasty on April 15, 2019, 04:51:58 PM
how the fuck did it catch fire anyways? It is easter season so that means lots of heated incense. Maybe it was that.

Wouldn't surprise me if we don't know for a while.

I'm really hoping it was accidental.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on April 15, 2019, 04:52:12 PM
I really hope it was an accident and not arson. It would really bum me out if there were someone out there malicious enough to destroy history like that.
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Post by: Himu on April 15, 2019, 04:55:43 PM
I was just thinking if this was an islamic terrorist act, things will get even more tense. France seems to be a common radical Islam target and if this was done on purpose....

For all of our sakes I hope this is accidental.
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Post by: BisMarckie on April 15, 2019, 04:59:15 PM
Notre Dame is one of the busiest places in Paris.
Arson during the middle of the day is incredibly unlikely.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 15, 2019, 10:00:22 PM
The towers are safe at least.
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Post by: BisMarckie on April 15, 2019, 10:16:52 PM
The towers are safe at least.


Paris does what New York doesn‘t.  :doge
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Post by: team filler on April 16, 2019, 03:05:26 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Rjq4jHl.jpg)
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Post by: team filler on April 16, 2019, 03:20:01 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/AGbZITV.jpg)

:amirox

(https://i.imgur.com/J1b8Qpg.jpg)
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Post by: Himu on April 16, 2019, 06:22:22 AM
I hate how everything  is a meme now.
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Post by: Don Rumata on April 16, 2019, 06:31:17 AM
I hate how everything  is a meme now.
(https://i.imgur.com/GFwvDIL.jpg)
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Post by: Himu on April 16, 2019, 06:42:21 AM
I hate social media in general.

In the past few weeks:

- Sekiro needs an easy mode, THIS IS TOO HARD THINK OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES SAME WITH BABA IS YOU
- IT’S a crime how people are treating joe biden like this!!!
- GAME OF THRONES NEEDS PEOPLE OF COLOR YES I KNOW IT’S THE FINAL SEASON, NO I DO NOT CARE THAT THE SETTING IS MOSTLY IN WESTEROS cue four to five articles bombarding my fucking Facebook from uppity black sjws who think everything should be about black people
- then we get yesterday: IM SPECIAL AND AM HAPPY THAT AN 800 year old PIECE OF HUMAN ACHIEVEMENT iS bURning To The GroUnd
- cue memes


I miss when I could just watch shit on the news or read about it in a newspaper and make up my own mind rather than constantly be bombarded with dog shit.

Time for an internet break.

Welcome to the modern world: where everyone gets a laugh as the world burns

Thank fuck it’s baseball season. Yesterday mlb honored Jackie Robinson. Finally something comforting.
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Post by: Raist on April 16, 2019, 07:01:47 AM
Agreed, Cindi.

I'm not religious in the slightest, not from Paris (and cares for it very little), yet seeing a centuries-old amazing piece of history and architecture from the motherland get ravaged by flames in a few hours is quite disconcerting.

So the whole "look at me I'm an edgy 14yo kickstarting the meme-machine within minutes for internet brownie points" makes me eyes roll really, really hard.
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Post by: naff on April 16, 2019, 07:21:07 AM
there is already 300 million+ being pledged by billionaires to rebuild this. it will be around for generations to come. im not immune to sorrow for the destruction of symbols, but this by all accounts is just a sad, expensive mistake. i did feel pretty gutted every time i read about some irreplaceable ancient site in the middle east destroyed out of pure malice over the past 5 years though.
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Post by: VomKriege on April 16, 2019, 08:41:18 AM
Rebuilding it isn't the same. Not that it hadn't been added to/renovated/rebuilt over centuries anyway.

You can't just...rebuild something from the 1100s and act like it's the same thing, ya know?

I mean renovation is basically the same, we often approach those things (or works of art like paintings) as if their state were definitely settled once and for all at inception but there's a lot of upkeep and maintenance going into those things including substituting older worn out elements for newer materials. The Reims cathedral is gorgeous in its current state and it sustained heavier damage in WW1 than Notre Dame. Some of the iconic parts were only added recently. The stone structure survived though I guess they would need to survey if it suffered from the heat. Most of the art pieces were evacuated and no major casualty to people was sustained.

I'm sure things were lost but it's part and parcel of human life. Ultimately this will be salvaged, unlike some of the archeological sites that were destroyed in Syria not that long ago.
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Post by: Tasty on April 16, 2019, 08:45:32 AM
Agreed. Theseus ship principle yo.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 16, 2019, 09:31:05 AM
Don't worry guys, Fox News is on the case:

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GLENN BECK (HOST): If this was arson, this is going to be bad. If this was arson of any foreign -- kind of -- any foreign entity, any -- anybody with a grudge, I think if -- if, and this is a huge if -- it might have just been started by a cigarette. We don't know. But if this was started by Islamists, I don't think you'll find out about it, because I think it would set the entire country on fire.

...

This is their World Trade Center moment, and if this was done by terrorists, I think that they will keep it quiet, because -- I just don't think Macron and France wants that internal fight.

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MARK STEYN: Christendom is in retreat in Europe, and in France particularly - France has actually quite an aggressive belief in secularism and according to some polls, the French are even by the standards of the modern Western world among the most Godless people in that sense. Three years ago, in that terrible summer that began with the Nice truck killings, when it seemed as if the entire French state was unraveling, I went to Rouen cathedral for the funeral of Hamel, the French priest who had his throat cut at mass. And I went to the basilica of Saint-Denis, which is in the north of Paris where the French kings are buried.

And basically is a Christian museum in the heart of what is now a Muslim suburb in effect. There is no sense of Christianity outside of the walls of that cathedral. And it was after that that I went to then Notre Dame because you do have the sense that a living, breathing faith is just becoming actually a museum. An art gallery. A storage facility. And the French who were on the streets in tears this evening, on the streets of Paris - I don't think they're mourning just history or architecture or art or culture. They are mourning something else. But what that something else post-Christian France can't quite identify it. That's really the conundrum. When Monsieur Macron says we're going to rebuild it - rebuild it for what? When people talk about oh the heart of France has died - what is in the soul of France? What is this? Is it just the building or something more?
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Post by: VomKriege on April 16, 2019, 10:15:48 AM
There's already 600m euros of donations promised by billionaires and major groups. The biggest oak trader in France will help in nature but says there might not be enough stock as of now.

And to comment on something upthread, French Civil Security commented that air drops (from copters) would have been dangerous because the weight of water can be a strain on structures. I'm not sure there were any nearby anyway (certainly not planes).

The air photos were impressive but really it's the wood roof that burned in a spectacular fashion.
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Post by: agrajag on April 16, 2019, 10:48:46 AM
even though it's rebuilt, in another few hundred years it will be a vintage again
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 16, 2019, 10:50:59 AM
even though it's rebuilt, in another few hundred years it will be a vintage again

Really makes you think.
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Post by: Raist on April 16, 2019, 10:51:18 AM
I mean sure, it will likely be "as good as new" in the end, superficially speaking.

Still, it went through centuries pretty much unscathed, including two word wars that saw the complete destruction of entire towns. The worst damage it ever suffered was during the Revolution, and that was mostly pillaging and status being defaced (or I should say, beheaded) as they mistook them for depicting kings, lolz. It never really saw any major changes or refurbishing either.

So it's pretty sad that the worst to ever happen to it was an unfortunate accident - while it was being renovated, no less.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 16, 2019, 11:01:41 AM
Don't worry guys, Fox News is on the case:

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GLENN BECK (HOST): If this was arson, this is going to be bad. If this was arson of any foreign -- kind of -- any foreign entity, any -- anybody with a grudge, I think if -- if, and this is a huge if -- it might have just been started by a cigarette. We don't know. But if this was started by Islamists, I don't think you'll find out about it, because I think it would set the entire country on fire.

...

This is their World Trade Center moment, and if this was done by terrorists, I think that they will keep it quiet, because -- I just don't think Macron and France wants that internal fight.

Quote
MARK STEYN: Christendom is in retreat in Europe, and in France particularly - France has actually quite an aggressive belief in secularism and according to some polls, the French are even by the standards of the modern Western world among the most Godless people in that sense. Three years ago, in that terrible summer that began with the Nice truck killings, when it seemed as if the entire French state was unraveling, I went to Rouen cathedral for the funeral of Hamel, the French priest who had his throat cut at mass. And I went to the basilica of Saint-Denis, which is in the north of Paris where the French kings are buried.

And basically is a Christian museum in the heart of what is now a Muslim suburb in effect. There is no sense of Christianity outside of the walls of that cathedral. And it was after that that I went to then Notre Dame because you do have the sense that a living, breathing faith is just becoming actually a museum. An art gallery. A storage facility. And the French who were on the streets in tears this evening, on the streets of Paris - I don't think they're mourning just history or architecture or art or culture. They are mourning something else. But what that something else post-Christian France can't quite identify it. That's really the conundrum. When Monsieur Macron says we're going to rebuild it - rebuild it for what? When people talk about oh the heart of France has died - what is in the soul of France? What is this? Is it just the building or something more?

Normal Person: “Gee, I hope it was just an accident.”

Right-Wing Blogosphere: “Please, please let it be a Muslim.”

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RE: “Please, please let it be a white person.”
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Post by: Nintex on April 16, 2019, 02:07:23 PM
Rebuilding it isn't the same. Not that it hadn't been added to/renovated/rebuilt over centuries anyway.

You can't just...rebuild something from the 1100s and act like it's the same thing, ya know?
Disney on suicide watch.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 16, 2019, 05:36:07 PM
More than I thought possible survived.

https://i.imgur.com/fhQYRY3.gifv (https://i.imgur.com/fhQYRY3.gifv)

It helped a lot that the interior is very open [with very, very high ceilings] and the walls are mostly stone. Kept the bulk of the fire up high away from ground-level objects that would have been completely destroyed in a conventional building.

Edit: Looks like there were also stone domes underneath the wooden roof [some seem to have collapsed, but others did not]:

https://twitter.com/incunabula/status/1118238387117481985
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Post by: agrajag on April 16, 2019, 08:15:45 PM
https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1118176071445303296

pHiLaNtRoPiStS
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Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 16, 2019, 08:20:59 PM
Fullonrapists
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Post by: team filler on April 16, 2019, 10:26:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/iRmceVA.jpg)
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Post by: Yeti on April 16, 2019, 11:55:52 PM
I hate how everything  is a meme now.

 :iface

Meanwhile, in the thread about the photograph of a black hole, you are cheering on all of Filler's hentai memes.
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Post by: VomKriege on April 17, 2019, 06:26:28 AM
So the French companies like Total Oil, Louis Vuitton, Kering (owner of Gucci, Balenciaga, YSL) etc. donated like $700M towards the renovation. Fine, good. But what the hell - is it really that expensive to restore one cathedral? Almost 1 Billion dollars? I thought $100M would be enough.

Someone on ERA mentioned that the partial restoration of a NY cathedral cost 175m$, IIRC. I wouldn't presume to know but yeah it's probably in the range of a large modern building project.
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Post by: VomKriege on April 17, 2019, 07:38:34 AM
Meanwhile, China is apparently razing historical mosques.
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Post by: Himu on April 17, 2019, 09:11:09 AM
I hate how everything  is a meme now.

 :iface

Meanwhile, in the thread about the photograph of a black hole, you are cheering on all of Filler's hentai memes.

I liked the novelty at first because I enjoy the cute images. I don’t know what to say. I haven’t liked one of them recently! I got the receipts! It’s neat how they make something at first but then it just takes over and you see more about the hentai chick than the actual black hole finding itself. Memes get so overdone, so fast now. It used to be, they’d be kind of isolated to certain websites but now it feels like they’re everywhere pretty quickly.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 17, 2019, 09:22:29 AM
So the French companies like Total Oil, Louis Vuitton, Kering (owner of Gucci, Balenciaga, YSL) etc. donated like $700M towards the renovation. Fine, good. But what the hell - is it really that expensive to restore one cathedral? Almost 1 Billion dollars? I thought $100M would be enough.

The routine renovation/maintenance going on before the fire cost something like $50 million, so I'd imagine that completely rebuilding the roof and spire would cost significantly more. And it's certainly possible that the amount that's already been pledged is more than the project will end up costing once it's all said and done.
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Post by: Raist on April 17, 2019, 02:54:21 PM
Ubisoft redeemed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47963835
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Post by: Nintex on April 17, 2019, 05:55:34 PM
Ubisoft is giving AC Unity PC away for free on their website.

Also the total sum of the restoration has to take into account the cleaning of artifacts and paintings and such and of course French workers going on strike for half the construction time.
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Post by: Snoopycat_ on April 17, 2019, 09:16:41 PM
I've been to Notre Dame. It was boring as shit.
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Post by: bluemax on April 17, 2019, 11:08:56 PM
Too bad no one made a video game set in Puerto Rico or Flint Michigan.
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Post by: nachobro on April 19, 2019, 09:11:53 AM
this is probably a dumb question but why does the richest religious group in the world need donations to restore notre dame? i feel like the catholic church probably has enough to restore it sitting between the pope's couch cushions.
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Post by: Rufus on April 19, 2019, 09:38:55 AM
France owns Notre-Dame*, hence the state is first in line to foot the bill. Though I agree that the church should chip in.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1905_French_law_on_the_Separation_of_the_Churches_and_the_State#Effects
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Post by: agrajag on April 19, 2019, 10:01:35 PM
https://twitter.com/AnandWrites/status/1119347461510791168
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Post by: Himu on April 19, 2019, 10:45:19 PM
Haven’t multiple billionaires and millionaires donated a shit ton to Flint?
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Post by: agrajag on April 19, 2019, 10:52:16 PM
best I could find with a quick search

http://amp.timeinc.net/time/money/4194456/flint-water-crisis-donations
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Post by: Himu on April 19, 2019, 10:58:02 PM
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjFr5eX193hAhUhgK0KHd0UAygQzPwBegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wcpo.com%2Fentertainment%2Fjaden-smith-is-helping-fix-the-flint-water-crisis-with-his-companys-mobile-lead-filtration-system&psig=AOvVaw33XWqL4B4EHwLu15ukJOph&ust=1555815676601399

www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/elon-musk-keeps-his-word-pays-for-water-filtration-systems-in-flint-schools/

It’s just another outrage social justice tweet that makes a joke to appear woke that can be dismantled in ten seconds of googling.

To pretend that “billionaires” did nothing to help Flint is not factual. But people spread it because not researching and impotent outrage - no matter how wrong - gets attention. And it’s always some screen cap of a tweet or a Facebook post spouting the dumb ass shit. Pic goes viral despite the author being a dumbass, repeat.
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Post by: agrajag on April 19, 2019, 11:01:25 PM
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So far, Musk has agreed to donate $480,350

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In just a few hours today, 650 million euros was donated to rebuild Notre Dame,” South Africa-based journalist Simon Allison tweeted.1 day ago

 :gurl
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Post by: Himu on April 19, 2019, 11:15:29 PM
Never mind that the entire situations are completely different. Flint is due to mismanagement and negligent politicians whose leadership have done absolutely nothing. Why is it up to billionaires to fix that? You can point at the number, but it’s not like no one hasn’t tried to help. Flint has been donated MILLIONS. Why hasn’t America in general tried to fix the issue with Flint? Why is this the billionaires problem? Why is this not a collective issue as a society? Why are people pointing to billionaires to fix something the local government should fix? Why are people comparing bureaucratic corruption to people donating to an accidental tragedy? People pitch in all the time when a natural disaster happens. People have shit tons to help Flint.

I mean, shit.

https://www.blackpressusa.com/trumps-epa-awards-flint-100-million-for-water-crisis/

Comparing a small town in Midwest USA to a Cathedral that belongs to all Christianity (especially Catholicism which is a billion strong) is preposterous.
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Post by: agrajag on April 19, 2019, 11:18:14 PM
you're getting fixated on the word billionaires like an autisty. It's a general critique on how society in general rushes and comes together to repair a relic offWestern European civilization, but the humanitarian crisis in Flint continues for years and years. But keep raging at memes breh

 :rage
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Post by: Himu on April 19, 2019, 11:19:16 PM
https://www.colorlines.com/articles/flint-receives-77-million-fund-new-water-projects

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Post by: agrajag on April 19, 2019, 11:21:06 PM
Meanwhile Notre Dame got $2 billion in two days

 :paul
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Post by: Himu on April 19, 2019, 11:35:51 PM
I just don’t see why it’s shocking.

Flint been in the news since Obama was president...THREE YEARS AGO.

Notre dame is an 800 year old world relic that is literally impossible for people to imagine not being a part of France.

Let’s pretend oh, 700 years from now (if humanity isn’t extinct lol but let’s play pretend) that the Statue of Liberty - a symbol of New York City - is on fire and gets severely damaged. Would you be shocked that a bunch of American trillionaires throw money at something closer to home - considered a world marvel - than they have in a foreign nation with a water issue?

One problem is that a lot of these numbers you’re bringing doesn’t account for WHO is sending the money. Most of the rich people sending the money are (you guessed it) FRENCH.

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Even before the smoke had cleared, luxury goods magnate Francois-Henri Pinault announced his family would donate 100 million euros ($112 million)Not to remain on the sidelines, his rival Bernard Arnault — the chief executive of LVMH and the richest man in Europe — pledged twice that amount on Tuesday morning. The Bettencourt Meyers family, which controls L’Oreal, quickly matched that pledge. And Patrick Pouyanne, chief of executive of French oil giant Total, offered another $112 million.
 

Source: WaPo

Rich Frenchies donating to the restoration of a national treasure?! I WONDER WHY.

This is why modern social justice is dog shit. The social media outrage is dog shit. Why Twitter is (mostly) dog shit.

Just spout a number like 600 million as if all the worlds billionaires got together for this thing when, if you look closely, most are French.

More outrage.

More tears from 20 year autistics.



Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Much art saved! AC Unity FREE! millions pouring in!
Post by: agrajag on April 19, 2019, 11:40:12 PM
Notre Dame will get rebuilt and be better than ever, adorned with gold and stained glass, while children in Flint continue to get poisoned. But keep screeching at memes, that seems to be your tick du jour
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Much art saved! AC Unity FREE! millions pouring in!
Post by: Don Rumata on April 19, 2019, 11:56:00 PM
you're getting fixated on the word billionaires like an one who incoherently screechesy. It's a general critique on how society in general rushes and comes together to repair a relic offWestern European civilization, but the humanitarian crisis in Flint continues for years and years. But keep raging at memes breh

 :rage
People donating are doing it to get a return in publicity (and possibly tax breaks), the Notredame burning down had more international visibility.
Humanitarian crisis (read: poor people dying) all over the world are, essentially, background noise to most people living in developed countries.
Not exactly anything out of the ordinary, although i wouldn't exactly pat these billionaires on the back, for essentially paying for some publicity.
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Much art saved! AC Unity FREE! millions pouring in!
Post by: Himu on April 20, 2019, 12:19:57 AM
Agra, I just opened my facebook and was greeted by this swill.

(https://i.imgur.com/yCL9sDP.png)

Constant memes and outrage that don't even use basic facts for endless likes and zingers even when it's shown that many Christians give to charity.

It's so fucking constant. Using memes to look smart. Using memes to make political statements. I'm so fucking tired. I no longer care. Fuck social justice.
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Much art saved! AC Unity FREE! millions pouring in!
Post by: shosta on April 20, 2019, 12:39:51 AM
Notre Dame will get rebuilt and be better than ever, adorned with gold and stained glass, while children in Flint continue to get poisoned. But keep screeching at memes, that seems to be your tick du jour
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Much art saved! AC Unity FREE! millions pouring in!
Post by: agrajag on April 20, 2019, 12:42:06 AM
Memes are just part of discourse now Cindi, it'd be easier on yourself to just roll with it. There are some dumb memes, there are some good memes, just like everything else in life. But there is something about internet memes that connect to people's psyche on a visceral level. Some people post long boring diatribes on Facebook that are just as dumb as the doge meme you posted.
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Much art saved! AC Unity FREE! millions pouring in!
Post by: agrajag on April 20, 2019, 12:46:53 AM
People donating are doing it to get a return in publicity (and possibly tax breaks), the Notredame burning down had more international visibility.
Humanitarian crisis (read: poor people dying) all over the world are, essentially, background noise to most people living in developed countries.
Not exactly anything out of the ordinary, although i wouldn't exactly pat these billionaires on the back, for essentially paying for some publicity.

Yes, I think all of the above is true, which I think both Cindi and the creator of the meme are getting at, just in different ways and something is clearly getting lost in translation here. I don't think billionaires should be patted on the back, especially the ones in France who are trying to get a tax rebate on most of their donations.
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Much art saved! AC Unity FREE! millions pouring in!
Post by: Beezy on April 20, 2019, 07:12:01 AM
Agra, I just opened my facebook
...stop using facebook?
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Much art saved! AC Unity FREE! millions pouring in!
Post by: Yeti on April 20, 2019, 09:46:21 AM
That doge meme is especially stupid because the pejorative it used at the bottom is about as un-PC as it gets
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Much art saved! AC Unity FREE! millions pouring in!
Post by: Raist on April 20, 2019, 09:57:19 AM
Let’s pretend oh, 700 years from now (if humanity isn’t extinct lol but let’s play pretend) that the Statue of Liberty - a symbol of New York City - is on fire and gets severely damaged. Would you be shocked that a bunch of American trillionaires throw money at something closer to home - considered a world marvel - than they have in a foreign nation with a water issue?

To be fair, you should give it back to us. You guys don't deserve it anymore.
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Much art saved! AC Unity FREE! millions pouring in!
Post by: Himu on April 20, 2019, 12:24:10 PM
Lmao

I’ve been talking about and criticizing the plight of the citizens of Flint for YEARS.

One week goes by and people aren’t doing enough because an 800 year human marvel gets shit wrecked.

This is why no one likes your social justice anymore. It’s not about justice. It’s not even about social justice. It’s about superiority. This is why so many of the talking points are made through memes that talk down to others. This is why there’s the with us or against us attitude just because you’re not outraged that a world relic that people around the world no matter the country or religion appreciate got more attention than a town in the midwest internationally. Like, no shit? It doesn’t matter if you’ve donated money or water. You have to *think* like them.

I no longer care. Please take your social justice else where. I don’t need it on my social media and I don’t need it on this site.
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Much art saved! AC Unity FREE! millions pouring in!
Post by: team filler on April 20, 2019, 12:26:28 PM
ok

 :doge

 :reeeee tard
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Much art saved! AC Unity FREE! millions pouring in!
Post by: agrajag on April 20, 2019, 12:29:06 PM
 :badass

Feel free to put me back on ignore then, because I am not going to tailor what I post specifically for Cindi.
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Much art saved! AC Unity FREE! millions pouring in!
Post by: Himu on April 20, 2019, 12:53:34 PM
Agra, I just opened my facebook
...stop using facebook?

I didn’t even have to use Facebook to see the twitter meme Agra posted.

If it has something to do with policy or actually lifting people up, post it. I’ll care. If it’s more social media memes, outrage, comparing apples and oranges, more division, and dog shit? Give me a hard, capital p Pass on that.

I’m gonna post a quick example.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=428764294532625&id=100021971735306&set=a.103608180381573&source=48

Any quick research reveals that the mother didn’t even strap the baby seat it. That woman put that shit wedged between the front seats. But according to this meme which doesn’t even use a credible source I’m supposed to be outraged. Nah. See this shit on FB AND Twitter from a bunch of people who are sowing division based on lies and deceit while pointing fingers at Russians - despite the fact that reports show that both right and left have been compromised by Russian trolls on social media. Nah. I’m tired. Tired, tired, tired. Unless it’s policy, I no longer give a shit. Unless I see these people at a local school board meeting I no longer give a shit. Unless I see them at the local town hall, I no longer give a shit.

I. Do. Not. Care.
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: Nintex on April 20, 2019, 12:55:29 PM
The Russian troll farms ran out of money ages ago. You're all just self-trolling yourselves now.  :idont
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: team filler on April 20, 2019, 12:58:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/MAxcEMm.png)
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Much art saved! AC Unity FREE! millions pouring in!
Post by: Beezy on April 20, 2019, 05:49:58 PM
Cindi, you're always annoyed or mad about something. Ignore the bullshit. You don't have to react to everything. I haven't seen anything that you're complaining about outside of this thread.
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Much art saved! AC Unity FREE! millions pouring in!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 20, 2019, 06:59:41 PM
Cindi, you're always annoyed or mad about something. Ignore the bullshit. You don't have to react to everything. I haven't seen anything that you're complaining about outside of this thread.
HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT TO HER?!!  :era
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: Himu on April 20, 2019, 07:23:24 PM
:confused

The only reason we are talking about this is because agrajag posted a twitter meme. I have talked about it because on topic.
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: agrajag on April 20, 2019, 08:01:43 PM
https://youtu.be/0Fpm7S3mlYc
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: VomKriege on April 21, 2019, 03:50:39 AM
Some members of the Paris Catholic Church suggests that any donation money in excess could be used for the Hotel-Dieu hospital which stands in the same place as the Cathedral (it's one of the oldest hospital and part of the public health care infrastructure).
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: Raist on April 21, 2019, 09:16:41 AM
I mean a hospital is nice and all, but what about Flint tho.
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: thisismyusername on April 21, 2019, 11:56:57 AM
I mean those memes are apt though: The Catholic church really doesn't need the donation money. They can dismantle the Vatican City if they're that hard-up for cash to rebuild.

Meanwhile, actual US cities have poor/failing water due to lead pipes and billionaire celebs that live in LA won't actually give money to rebuild these places.
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: jorma on April 21, 2019, 12:14:33 PM
I mean those memes are apt though: The Catholic church really doesn't need the donation money. They can dismantle the Vatican City if they're that hard-up for cash to rebuild.

Meanwhile, actual US cities have poor/failing water due to lead pipes and billionaire celebs that live in LA won't actually give money to rebuild these places.

What does any of that have to do with wealthy Frenchmen donating to rebuild notre dame?
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: team filler on April 21, 2019, 12:29:08 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/nwe6mML.jpg)
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: agrajag on April 21, 2019, 12:32:45 PM
(https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/2019/04/16/012105/85937130/9xojmezuels21.jpg)
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: team filler on April 21, 2019, 12:33:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/mMLRvRg.jpg)
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: agrajag on April 21, 2019, 12:38:46 PM
(https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/2019/04/17/062440/85938137/ru8bs55ksts21.jpg)
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: Himu on April 21, 2019, 01:58:58 PM
It’s funny stro thinks it’s memes in general I hate when I’ve mostly been talking about political memes or viral pics from Facebook or twitter where the person writes some dumbass shit. Stro truly is a dumbass.
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: team filler on April 21, 2019, 02:16:00 PM
It’s funny stro thinks it’s memes in general I hate when I’ve mostly been talking about political memes or viral pics from Facebook or twitter where the person writes some dumbass shit. Stro truly is a dumbass biiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch
ftfy bb  :-[
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: team filler on April 21, 2019, 02:29:38 PM
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1119999491250237440

 :pacspit
Title: Re: The Notre Dame is on fire | This looks pretty bad man.jpg
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on April 21, 2019, 02:47:36 PM
Varg Vikernes is living in France. Just putting that out there.

https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/1120028903534411776

it was too obvious.
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 21, 2019, 02:54:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=issF3gfAy7Y

Manifesto posted online several days before fire
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: Raist on April 21, 2019, 03:27:41 PM
I mean those memes are apt though: The Catholic church really doesn't need the donation money. They can dismantle the Vatican City if they're that hard-up for cash to rebuild.

All churches in France belong to the state though.
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: Nintex on April 21, 2019, 06:09:41 PM
Memes you say?

(https://abload.de/img/d4santfwwaamlalvtjsu.jpg)
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: agrajag on April 21, 2019, 08:53:17 PM
I already posted that one, distinguished mentally-challenged fellow
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: BisMarckie on April 21, 2019, 08:56:38 PM
(https://abload.de/img/d4santfwwaamlalvtjsu.jpg)

Look what I just found, this is amazing. :lol
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: agrajag on April 21, 2019, 09:09:16 PM
 :rage
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 21, 2019, 09:10:56 PM
Check out this sweet maymay I saw earlier on social media:

(https://abload.de/img/d4santfwwaamlalvtjsu.jpg)
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: shosta on April 21, 2019, 09:27:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/h5DYWvO.png)
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: shosta on April 21, 2019, 09:33:48 PM
these pictures really make you think
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: agrajag on April 21, 2019, 09:40:14 PM
I feel like having a drink all of a sudden
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: shosta on April 21, 2019, 09:58:21 PM
I feel like having a drink all of a sudden
(https://i.imgur.com/lnK00AU.png)
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: agrajag on April 21, 2019, 10:02:18 PM
I'm glad they immortalized your image in a meme, shosta
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: team filler on April 21, 2019, 10:02:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/JmEKoNN.jpg)
Title: Re: The Notre Dame was on fire | Would you poison FLINT to save the NOTRE DAME
Post by: Nintex on April 22, 2019, 05:51:49 PM
I already posted that one, distinguished mentally-challenged fellow
I know I even liked it.  :teehee