THE BORE

General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Himu on April 24, 2019, 01:01:56 AM

Title: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Himu on April 24, 2019, 01:01:56 AM
My relationship with Souls:

1. I was an early adopter of Demon's Souls. I got it the week or so of release. At the time I was an Atlus head and would buy anything Atlus USA put out. My friend also imported it. It had a lot of buzz surrounding the import version so when it dropped in the US I had to get in. I loved that game for its tone, story, level design, structure, and it was really, really fresh at the time.

2. A few years later Dark Souls comes out. People say it's open-world compared to Demon's more Mega Man style structure where you picked levels at will. I really, really tried but I could never get into Dark Souls. My steam clock on it says I've played it for over 40 hours. I've started maybe three different runs. I got a little past Capra Demon as my furthest.

(https://i.imgur.com/Fy2PC98.png)

This was disappointing because:

A. I love dungeon crawlers.
B. I love hard games.
C. I love defense oriented combat.
D. I loved Demon's Souls and many other From games.

I've really tried with that game and I'm convinced I've always done it wrong.

Criticisms being:



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putting a save point ten minutes away from the boss room after dying from a boss and having to trek ten minutes to get there isn’t difficulty. I’m fine with retrieving my souls (or corpse) as I have played many games where I do just that. But I can’t stand the tedium of Souls 1 of dying at a boss and traveling all that way just to refight them.

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My issue is that the enemies on the way are easy and going through doing the same shit just to get to the boss is tedious as fuck.

Where were y'all a few years ago? I made this same complaint about DS1 and people told me,"just don't die hurrr". I beat the goat boss and I just never really continued after that.

I haven't played a Souls game since. I love hard games. I love rogue likes. But fuck that.

3. I ended up getting Sekiro despite being From because I thought it'd be another Dark Souls disappointment. I was wrong. I love this game so fucking much I'm willing to give Dark Souls another chance. Sekiro fixed all of my issues with Dark Souls 1. Apparently since Souls 1 From realized that making players travel ten minutes to refight a boss isn't difficulty - it's tedium - and that DS2/3/BB are better designed in that regard.

Still I want to beat DkS1 before moving on to the rest.

Bestow me with tips and suggestions to enjoy it more.

Apparently I should get a Master Key at game start? Where can I or should I go once I get to Firelink Shrine? How can I enjoy the game more?

Doc said this in the Sekiro thread:

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The only thing you "have" to do, is obtain the lord's vessel to open up the final three areas., and you have to beat Sen's fortress before getting to Anor Londo.
Almost anything else if fair game.
Catacombs, Burg, Blighttown, Depths, New Londo Ruins, Ash Lake, Great Hollow, etc.

Where to start? What class?
Title: Re: Cindi plays Soulsborne series. Please help Cindi enjoy these games.
Post by: Himu on April 24, 2019, 01:19:42 AM
Oh and the hollow mechanic. It's so fucking dumb I need humanity in order to summon. It's so dumb and tedious.

"We want you to summon to beat this boss but we'll make it hard for you to be able to summon"

???

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Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2019, 01:20:18 AM
How the heck did you play 46 hours and only get to and past the Capra Demon? That's like the first 6 hours of the game.

My recommendation would be to roll a fast melee build and give it a try and if you start not feeling it, use a guide until you're feeling it again. It might just be a few sections/bosses that are burning you out and you need to get to the point where it clicks.

I like the Katana but it will make the game kinda easy in the 2nd half because it's broken OP


Also Dark Souls 1 has the best story of the 3 souls games (and better than Demon Souls story imo), so try to get into the lore, which means reading the fextralife wiki it's real good. I'd recommend what I do, which is after you kill bosses to read up on them and their lore:
https://darksouls.wiki.fextralife.com/Dark+Souls+Wiki

Oh and the hollow mechanic. It's so fucking dumb I need humanity in order to summon. It's so dumb and tedious.

"We want you to summon to beat this boss but we'll make it hard for you to be able to summon"

???

I can't remember ever needing to summon in Dark Souls 1-3, maybe I did just to try it once or twice, but Bloodborne is where summoning is way more useful. I never used my humanity drops and you get a ton. You can play fine in Hollow state. I mean you have more HP than Sekiro lol
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Post by: Himu on April 24, 2019, 01:21:58 AM
I don't know. I also do have a tendency to leave pc games on so my clock on them can be inflated but still, idk :idont
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Post by: Himu on April 24, 2019, 01:24:04 AM
How the heck did you play 46 hours and only get to and past the Capra Demon? That's like the first 6 hours of the game.

My recommendation would be to roll a fast melee build and give it a try and if you start not feeling it, use a guide until you're feeling it again. It might just be a few sections/bosses that are burning you out and you need to get to the point where it clicks.

I like the Katana but it will make the game kinda easy in the 2nd half because it's broken OP


Also Dark Souls 1 has the best story of the 3 souls games (and better than Demon Souls story imo), so try to get into the lore, which means reading the fextralife wiki it's real good. I'd recommend what I do, which is after you kill bosses to read up on them and their lore:
https://darksouls.wiki.fextralife.com/Dark+Souls+Wiki

Oh and the hollow mechanic. It's so fucking dumb I need humanity in order to summon. It's so dumb and tedious.

"We want you to summon to beat this boss but we'll make it hard for you to be able to summon"

???

I can't remember ever needing to summon in Dark Souls 1-3, maybe I did just to try it once or twice, but Bloodborne is where summoning is way more useful. I never used my humanity drops and you get a ton. You can play fine in Hollow state. I mean you have more HP than Sekiro lol

The story and lore are something I love. I love that organic Miyazaki storytelling. Very reminiscent of Japanese games of old in the minimalist tradition (Silent Hill series, Shadow of the Colossus;etc)
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Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2019, 01:24:09 AM
Dark Souls 1-3 are all really fun to explore. Just explore around and find cool stuff and paths like you do in Sekiro. Don't worry so much about your build/leveling until you reach Anor Londo which is where the 2nd half starts. By that point you'll want to tune your build.

Oh and don't wear armor past like 25% of your weight so you get maximum roll i-frames and agility. I've never enjoyed playing any of the souls games at heavier weights.
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Post by: shosta on April 24, 2019, 01:59:04 AM
I agree that fast dex builds are more fun but I support anyone who wants to play however they want  :itagaki

mmmm, dark souls... I think I put 200 hours into DS1. I could probably do a no-hit run if I tried it. ...maybe I should try it.

Personally I think if you don't like Dark Souls then don't try to force yourself just because you liked Sekiro. The combat is completely different, for one. Maybe play Bloodborne, actually, since it's genetically closer to what Sekiro is.
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Post by: Himu on April 24, 2019, 02:06:42 AM
I like Demon’s so it’s not like the combat is foreign to me.
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Post by: remy on April 24, 2019, 02:08:38 AM
wear low weight armor, dodge roll alot, and get the claymore and go dex/str
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Post by: Raist on April 24, 2019, 02:33:02 AM
Start with Bloodborne. It's a lot closer to Sekiro in terms of gameplay, and the setting and story are awesome.
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Post by: thisismyusername on April 24, 2019, 07:11:07 AM
Dex builds...

:donot

Just go Miracle/Magic. It's busted in Dark Souls 1. Then go pure Melee in 2 or 3 because they nerfed the shit out of both in those.
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Post by: MMaRsu on April 24, 2019, 12:00:45 PM
You mean run back to the boss room evading all enemies skillfullu by holding circle?
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 24, 2019, 05:36:50 PM
Im also trying to get into this on the Switch now after it didnt click on ps3 and pc. Loved Bloodborne and Demon Souls.

Whats the most op bebe friendly build?
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Post by: curly on April 24, 2019, 06:06:48 PM
if you put 40 hours into it already you're almost certainly not going to change your mind now
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Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2019, 06:24:02 PM
Im also trying to get into this on the Switch now after it didnt click on ps3 and pc. Loved Bloodborne and Demon Souls.

Whats the most op bebe friendly build?

DEX build, low agility weight, roll dodge and stab stab
Bleed Katana is broken because of how bleed damage builds up in DS1. Not very effective in 2/3 though.

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Post by: Himu on April 24, 2019, 06:55:59 PM
if you put 40 hours into it already you're almost certainly not going to change your mind now

Eh. Not true. I’ve given games multiple chances before. Sometimes first impressions aren’t good. Sometimes after years away I gain a appareciation of them even if I don’t like them. Sometimes they become some of my favorite games. I hated Shenmue the first few hours I played of it. But something kept pulling me to keep playing. I got used to its idiosyncrasies and by the end of it, I loved it so much I started a new game immediately after completion and imported II. Both went on to become my favorite games. I’m very, very open-minded contrary to popular opinion.

In the case of Dark Souls, I don’t even think it’s a bad game. It’s actually well designed but it didn’t click like Demon’s.

Plus, I already own it, unlike 2/3/BB.
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Post by: Himu on April 24, 2019, 06:59:46 PM
Also the whole thing of “play and watch things you like” results in someone unable to critique or knows what’s good. Staying in your comfort zone sounds like a boring and limited way to live life.
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Post by: Don Rumata on April 24, 2019, 06:59:51 PM
Im also trying to get into this on the Switch now after it didnt click on ps3 and pc. Loved Bloodborne and Demon Souls.

Whats the most op bebe friendly build?
Pyro build used to be the beginner friendly back in the day, not sure if there are better ones now.
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Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2019, 07:01:44 PM
Actually I thought about this because Lager is coming from Sekiro & Bloodborne and I'm changing my stance on DS1-3.

If you start with Sekiro, play Bloodborne next
If you've beaten only Sekiro and Bloodborne, start with Dark Souls 3

Yeah you miss some of the neat lore connections where you go aha! That's from DS1's lore!, but it's not a huge loss and the stories/lore are still fairly separate per game. The thing is that DS3 came out after Bloodborne and borrows a lot from Bloodborne and so it plays a midway between Dark Souls and an arpg like Bloodborne. It's fast and more action packed and the graphics look great like Bloodborne/Sekiro. It'll be much easier to get into from Bloodborne.

And then when you've beaten DS3, it will have given you a good feel for Dark Souls gameplay and you'll be able to transition into DS1 -> DS2 pretty smoothly. It'll go back to being simple gfx, sometimes kinda ugly, and slower, more broken combat, but I played DS1 for the first time only a few years back after Bloodborne and it still holds up excellent due to the great level design, exploration and story lore.

But yeah, Cindi I think you should play Bloodborne next or DS3 if you can't get into Bloodborne for some reason. And Lager, start with DS3.
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Post by: Himu on April 24, 2019, 07:02:51 PM
BB better be cheap then.
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Post by: naff on April 24, 2019, 07:03:50 PM
eh, i think cindi might really enjoy this now. if that time spent is even somewhat correct though, i can understand the frustration  :'(

im prob not au fait with what the updated great early game strats are, but my scrub tech for crushing the early game was generally just get drake sword, proceed to smash https://www.wikihow.com/Get-the-Drake-Sword-in-Dark-Souls

my first deso run was int/dex, ever since ive mostly played pure str or faith or a combo and as much as i try other weapons i always come back to the zweihander and claymore (generally stick with claymore because it has relatively low reqs, is one of the best pve and pvp weapons, is easy to use, can always get it early)
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Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2019, 07:04:43 PM
I think BB goes on sale pretty regularly. If you can get the version with the expansion pack Old Hunters on a sale it'll be totally worth it. Very excellent expansion.

BB has a lot of fights that play out similarly to Sekiro fights. It's still pretty different but Bloodborne is big on parrying & countering just you use a gun to parry instead of a sword. One of the first boss fights Fathers Gasgone is straight up a Sekiro style fight.
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Post by: Himu on April 24, 2019, 07:06:35 PM
Also this “play/watch what you like” is some preposterous shit. How does anyone develop taste by staying in their comfort zone? The reason my taste is so damn good is because I’ve fought hard to be eclectic as possible. At one point in time I liked every game genre and probably had the most diverse game taste on this site besides Demi. The only reason I can’t stand modern games is their hand holding, waypoints, and endless tutorials.
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Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2019, 07:12:06 PM
I agree with you 100% Cindi

I've gotten into a lot of great games that when I tried to initially I wasn't feeling them and they were my genre of games. A great example is Monster Hunter. I swear I tried playing that series like 3-4 times from PS2/PSP/Wii/3DS and every time I got like 2-3 hours in and was bored out of my mind fighting non-boss enemies on quests and wondering what the big deal was with the series.

Then I gave it a really shot and like a half year later I was in endgame MHW and G2 rank in XX and I'll be day 1 for every expansion and new game in the series at this point on.

I never liked Smash much before and owned/played multiple versions, but I'm really enjoying the Switch one and getting into it.

Next series I need to do that with is probably Civ, I played Civ II as a little kid at my grandfather's house because he played it. But I only played a few hours occasionally when we visited. I tried Civ 4/5 when they were cheap sales but got bored after like an hour of each. So many of my friends with good taste love Civilization and play for hundreds of hours so I just got reach the point where it clicks for me eventually.

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Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2019, 08:30:05 PM
Also the whole thing of “play and watch things you like” results in someone unable to critique or knows what’s good. Staying in your comfort zone sounds like a boring and limited way to live life.


:what


You've played 40 hours and didn't like it. Yet you're going to play it again and hope other people can convince you that you actually like it this time. This is the same thing as you starting a thread about doing a MCU marathon and asking for help enjoying it. It's not like taking a chance on something you haven't played or don't know if you'll enjoy or not. You know you didn't enjoy playing these games already. Yet you're going to do it again and then get frustrated and mad.

To be fair Cindi says she was only past Capra Demon. Which is really really early on. So maybe if she gets past that and gets a little further in she'll enjoy it? So I played DS1 when it came out myself, and Capra Demon was a pain, and I finally got past him and lost interest and dropped the game for like SIX YEARS and gave it another shot after Bloodborne and now it's tied for my favorite soulsborne game with Bloodborne.
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Post by: Himu on April 24, 2019, 08:37:11 PM
Also the whole thing of “play and watch things you like” results in someone unable to critique or knows what’s good. Staying in your comfort zone sounds like a boring and limited way to live life.


:what


You've played 40 hours and didn't like it. Yet you're going to play it again and hope other people can convince you that you actually like it this time. This is the same thing as you starting a thread about doing a MCU marathon and asking for help enjoying it. It's not like taking a chance on something you haven't played or don't know if you'll enjoy or not. You know you didn't enjoy playing these games already. Yet you're going to do it again and then get frustrated and mad.

To be fair Cindi says she was only past Capra Demon. Which is really really early on. So maybe if she gets past that and gets a little further in she'll enjoy it? So I played DS1 when it came out myself, and Capra Demon was a pain, and I finally got past him and lost interest and dropped the game for like SIX YEARS and gave it another shot after Bloodborne and now it's tied for my favorite soulsborne game with Bloodborne.

Peoples experiences with media is fluid?

(https://i.imgur.com/KtybUzG.gif)
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Post by: Himu on April 24, 2019, 08:59:22 PM
The curious thing is they say “you gave it a chance you didn’t like it don’t play what you don’t like, you like Sekiro and that’s fine” but I bought Sekiro on a risk knowing I didn’t like Dark Souls and I love that game.

Argument doesn’t stand on its own.
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Post by: thisismyusername on April 24, 2019, 10:10:35 PM
Well, being fair: Sekiro isn't -Souls.
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Post by: curly on April 24, 2019, 10:42:37 PM
Expected this thread to take much longer to devolve into multipost arguments about nothing
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Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2019, 11:40:34 PM
Well, being fair: Sekiro isn't -Souls.

I dunno, I'm somewhat far and it feels like Souls to me. It's a little further in the action, less in the rpg direction than Bloodborne went (which is also souls) but otherwise this just feels like Bloodborne/Dark Souls. Same kind of exploring inter-connected world and collecting loot between rest points, same HP drink mechanic, the shortcuts and secrets are similar, lore and story-telling too, combat is a further evolved version of Bloodborne combat with the gun parries, counters and fast dodges.

I mean it's not exactly the same, but neither was Bloodborne. The only thing Sekiro is missing from Dark Souls/Bloodborne is actually XP levels that you grind to get stronger. But instead Sekiro still has XP and you do get stronger as you buy skills (like ones that increase/reduce posture damage) and the prosthetic upgrades are similar to the weapon tree upgrades. Oh and it's also missing picking up your dead body souls, but instead you're able to bank xp levels and you only lose 50% and with unseen aid you can reduce that so it's pretty similar just handled in a different way. There aren't different weapons sure, but prosthetic are your combat variety. Part of that last one is just how I play Souls games, I pick one weapon and stick with it the whole game so I've never cared too much about weapon variety. In Bloodborne I just used the starting short saw because it always seemed great.
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Post by: Himu on April 25, 2019, 03:43:35 PM
Considering this.

https://www.amazon.com/Bloodborne-Game-Year-Sony-PlayStation-4/dp/B01MS1GOAX/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=bloodborne+goty+edition&qid=1556221171&s=gateway&sr=8-1

But it's European. Does that matter? Probably not anymore with PS4 being region free, but I'm curious about it. It has all dlc. But would EU dlc work on an US ps account?

And there's this complete DS3.

https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Souls-III-Fire-Fades-PlayStation/dp/B06XTJMF4B/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=dark+souls+3&qid=1556221313&s=gateway&sr=8-1

But I'm considering getting the trilogy instead. It comes with full dlc.

https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Souls-Trilogy-PlayStation-4/dp/B07FDKWPKV/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=dark+souls+collection&qid=1556221357&s=gateway&sr=8-1
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Post by: Himu on April 25, 2019, 03:51:17 PM
I gotta say.

https://youtu.be/tb4n4jwTDUM

Bloodborne looks fantastic. Great mood and environments.

:obama

Also survival horror rpg is up my alley. I'm still shocked no one made more horror rpgs with the resource management of survival horror after Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter. That game was basically Resident Evil x Strategy RPG and it was glorious.

And unfortunately SMT has lightened its horror elements.

(https://i.imgur.com/ld5shKS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PEWpnJ7.jpg)

A shame.

My interest is piqued. Definitely have an interest in Bloodborne. Reminds me when more adult oriented Japanese developers could and would mix cool horror elements with their games.

I'll get BB. Now I just to settle on what version.

"kind of psychological horror I don't think we've seen since the original Silent Hill games." Jesus Jim. I'M BUYING IT ALREADY. Don't make it any worse!
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Post by: bork on April 25, 2019, 04:04:33 PM
Considering this.

https://www.amazon.com/Bloodborne-Game-Year-Sony-PlayStation-4/dp/B01MS1GOAX/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=bloodborne+goty+edition&qid=1556221171&s=gateway&sr=8-1

But it's European. Does that matter? Probably not anymore with PS4 being region free, but I'm curious about it. It has all dlc. But would EU dlc work on an US ps account?

Doesn't matter and you'd just need to make a EU account to redeem the DLC, which you can then use on your American account.  But there is a version of this game that has all the DLC already included on the disc- I have it.  It's the version that came out in Saudi Arabia (has a quote from IGN Middle East on the cover).

This guy appears to be selling this version of the game, on eBay, for $29:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bloodborne-Game-of-the-Year-Edition-PlayStation-4-PS4-Region-Free-ARPG-NEW/142241086884?hash=item211e3abda4:g:v1kAAOSwSZFZ3Tnt&frcectupt=true
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Post by: bork on April 25, 2019, 04:08:11 PM
Hmm...this is the copy I bought, and despite the box art, the seller sent me the Middle East version:

https://www.amazon.com/Bloodborne-Game-Year-Sony-PlayStation-4/dp/B01MS1GOAX

So might still be fine to buy from Amazon.
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Post by: Himu on April 25, 2019, 04:11:22 PM
I think that's the same one I linked. But the amazon link isn't working on both of our ends.

I really want to play BB after watching the Jimquisition. Jim really sold me on it.
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Post by: Himu on April 25, 2019, 04:12:00 PM
Testing.

https://www.amazon.com/Bloodborne-Game-Year-Sony-PlayStation-4/dp/B01MS1GOAX/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=bloodborne+goty&qid=1556223104&s=gateway&sr=8-1

:idont

Still no worky.
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Post by: bork on April 25, 2019, 04:14:21 PM
Amazon being weird.

If you search for "bloodborne goty", the first result that is Amazon's choice for $23.99 + $4.57 shipping  is the one I bought last year.
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Post by: Himu on April 25, 2019, 04:16:00 PM
Europe edition right? Yeah that's the one I've been linking.
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Post by: demi on April 25, 2019, 04:34:30 PM
just use a guide for the best build and cheeses. its how i finished all of them - still need to play Dick Souls 3
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Post by: bork on April 25, 2019, 04:39:32 PM
Europe edition right? Yeah that's the one I've been linking.

Says European, but is not really European- you want the Middle Eastern version.
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Post by: Himu on April 25, 2019, 04:40:31 PM
what does arab version have that euro doesn't
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Post by: bork on April 25, 2019, 04:41:17 PM
But there is a version of this game that has all the DLC already included on the disc- I have it.  It's the version that came out in Saudi Arabia (has a quote from IGN Middle East on the cover).

This guy appears to be selling this version of the game, on eBay, for $29:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bloodborne-Game-of-the-Year-Edition-PlayStation-4-PS4-Region-Free-ARPG-NEW/142241086884?hash=item211e3abda4:g:v1kAAOSwSZFZ3Tnt&frcectupt=true
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Post by: Himu on April 25, 2019, 04:44:20 PM
I ask because European version advertises the same, hence GotY edition. It has The Old Hunters on it. What does the Arab version have that's missing from European?
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Post by: bork on April 25, 2019, 05:03:28 PM
I ask because European version advertises the same, hence GotY edition. It has The Old Hunters on it. What does the Arab version have that's missing from European?

:dead

Already mentioned this above:

Euro version- DLC is a voucher code
Middle East "Euro" version- All content is on the disc
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Post by: bork on April 25, 2019, 05:08:32 PM
The same happened with Nioh, btw.  There's a physical Asian-English version with all the DLC on the disc, but only that specific version.  You can often find physical versions of games from SEA that are digital or have DLC vouchers everywhere else.
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Post by: Himu on April 25, 2019, 05:10:13 PM
Ohhh ok. Arab version it is!
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Post by: Raist on April 25, 2019, 05:19:59 PM
I think that's the same one I linked. But the amazon link isn't working on both of our ends.

I really want to play BB after watching the Jimquisition. Jim really sold me on it.


I've been telling you for weeks.

:rage
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Post by: Himu on April 25, 2019, 05:45:34 PM
Please consider you one of many people who pushed me to starting with BB.  :doge But I was worried that if I start with 3/BB that by the time I get to 1 I’ll find it slower.
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Post by: Don Rumata on April 25, 2019, 05:49:37 PM
Please consider you one of many people who pushed me to starting with BB.  :doge But I was worried that if I start with 3/BB that by the time I get to 1 I’ll find it slower.
I understand the logic of starting with BB, but honestly dark Souls 1 is so much more chill and slow than 3, i don't think it's going to be a good transition backwards.
At best i'd do BB and then DkS 1 through 3.

3 really throws you on the deep end, assuming you're already familiar with all the shit they put you through in 1 and 2, it's honestly overwhelming at times.
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Post by: Himu on April 25, 2019, 05:56:29 PM
Yeah I wasn’t sure about going backwards. But BB does look mighty scrumptious.

On the other side of the issue, I’ve been playing Sekiro and that’s very fast and more aggressive than Souls.

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Post by: naff on April 25, 2019, 07:16:44 PM
Have you pummeled those gargs yet?
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Post by: shosta on April 25, 2019, 07:23:10 PM
I think she'd tell us if she stopped getting fucked by taurus demon
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Post by: Himu on April 25, 2019, 08:46:01 PM
I haven’t started yet. Im ordering the trilogy from Amazon along with BB and after Sekiro I’m thinking of just doing BB then Dark Souls series in order. I want to finish what I started first and want to work my way up but BB looks too good to pass up.
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Post by: Raist on April 26, 2019, 01:40:18 AM
Please consider you one of many people who pushed me to starting with BB.  :doge But I was worried that if I start with 3/BB that by the time I get to 1 I’ll find it slower.

:rage

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Title: Re: Cindi plays Soulsborne series. Please help Cindi enjoy these games.
Post by: Don Rumata on April 26, 2019, 02:04:41 AM
Bloodborne is great, but it has 4 glaring issues:

1) 30fps (with the feel of 15 fps, thanks to stuttering).
2) FROM's awful camera is made worse by every other boss being the size of a house, and with fur flying around, filling up your screen.
3) Muddy colors create a cool atmosphere at first, but in some later areas it's hard to read levels, and legit give me a headache, where everything looks so visually busy (Dark Souls 3 also has this issue).
4) Possibly the most obnoxious fanbase i've ever interacted with, maybe only after Zelda's.

That said, atmosphere, enemy design, costume design, weapons, level design, music... are all incredible, and it's hard not to love it despite all of that shit above.
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Post by: Himu on April 26, 2019, 02:43:17 AM
Any suggestions going from Sekiro to Bloodborne?

Considering this.

https://www.amazon.com/Bloodborne-Game-Year-Sony-PlayStation-4/dp/B01MS1GOAX/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=bloodborne+goty+edition&qid=1556221171&s=gateway&sr=8-1

But it's European. Does that matter? Probably not anymore with PS4 being region free, but I'm curious about it. It has all dlc. But would EU dlc work on an US ps account?

Doesn't matter and you'd just need to make a EU account to redeem the DLC, which you can then use on your American account.  But there is a version of this game that has all the DLC already included on the disc- I have it.  It's the version that came out in Saudi Arabia (has a quote from IGN Middle East on the cover).

This guy appears to be selling this version of the game, on eBay, for $29:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bloodborne-Game-of-the-Year-Edition-PlayStation-4-PS4-Region-Free-ARPG-NEW/142241086884?hash=item211e3abda4:g:v1kAAOSwSZFZ3Tnt&frcectupt=true

I bought this.
Title: Re: Cindi plays Soulsborne series. Please help Cindi enjoy these games.
Post by: Himu on April 26, 2019, 02:50:34 AM
Posted in Sekiro thread but not sure if others who post in this thread read that one. Sekiro spoilers obviously. Do Soulsborne games have this type of side questing?

Subtle, world building shit. Like for instance, a lady tells you about fruit: one dry, one wet. And you're not sure what she's talking about. But you're interested. You go down and encounter a snake, you have to survive encounters and then you're face to face with the beast. Then you have to solve a puzzle to get past it. You go in the house it's guarding and turns out it's guarding a heart. I defeated another snake before, and it dropped a dry heart. This one was sopping wet with blood.

Then there's this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aaxHfZciPs

Does Soulsborne have organic side questing/world building like this? I do recall in Dks1, there was a fat knight with a cute outfit guarding a place and there was a quest with a cursed person on the lower deck behind some bars.
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Post by: Don Rumata on April 26, 2019, 03:28:57 AM
Posted in Sekiro thread but not sure if others who post in this thread read that one. Sekiro spoilers obviously. Do Soulsborne games have this type of side questing?

Subtle, world building shit. Like for instance, a lady tells you about fruit: one dry, one wet. And you're not sure what she's talking about. But you're interested. You go down and encounter a snake, you have to survive encounters and then you're face to face with the beast. Then you have to solve a puzzle to get past it. You go in the house it's guarding and turns out it's guarding a heart. I defeated another snake before, and it dropped a dry heart. This one was sopping wet with blood.

Then there's this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aaxHfZciPs

Does Soulsborne have organic side questing/world building like this? I do recall in Dks1, there was a fat knight with a cute outfit guarding a place and there was a quest with a cursed person on the lower deck behind some bars.
If you've played Demon's Souls, they're all pretty much like that, yeah.
Most of the story telling come from item descriptions and some sparse npc dialogue (much like Sekiro), there's just much less of that dialogue dump Sekiro has with Kuro/Emma, every other big boss fight, and less cutscenes.
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Post by: Himu on April 26, 2019, 03:30:41 AM
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1) Everything was Castles. Castle here (Cath.), Castle there (C-hurst.), Castle everywhere (N-Mensis).
2) Very limited set of weapons. Truth be told I only used the Axe from zero to Platinum (+DLC) but still.
3) Undercooked random labyrinths (Pthumerian). They could have been much better.
4) Non-existent armor or better yet: every armor set feels the same. It's a game about not being hit after all so armor doesn't matter.

None of these things bother me.

You only have one sword in Sekiro and yet there's still plenty of options. Not sure about the random labyrinth, but again, Sekiro doesn't have armor either.

I'm all about these things:

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But the atmosphere, enemy design, boss design, LORE is only second to Demon's Souls.

And damn I forgot how AWESOME Demon's Souls intro was.

https://youtu.be/m-zsuW6aSTA

And those character designs. Hnnng.

(https://i.imgur.com/qKqRyBC.jpg)

 I need to replay that some time.

Posted in Sekiro thread but not sure if others who post in this thread read that one. Sekiro spoilers obviously. Do Soulsborne games have this type of side questing?

Subtle, world building shit. Like for instance, a lady tells you about fruit: one dry, one wet. And you're not sure what she's talking about. But you're interested. You go down and encounter a snake, you have to survive encounters and then you're face to face with the beast. Then you have to solve a puzzle to get past it. You go in the house it's guarding and turns out it's guarding a heart. I defeated another snake before, and it dropped a dry heart. This one was sopping wet with blood.

Then there's this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aaxHfZciPs

Does Soulsborne have organic side questing/world building like this? I do recall in Dks1, there was a fat knight with a cute outfit guarding a place and there was a quest with a cursed person on the lower deck behind some bars.
If you've played Demon's Souls, they're all pretty much like that, yeah.
Most of the story telling come from item descriptions and some sparse npc dialogue (much like Sekiro), there's just much less of that dialogue dump Sekiro has with Kuro/Emma, every other big boss fight, and less cutscenes.

Yeah this is why I loved Demon's. I love how they express their world/lore.
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Post by: shosta on April 26, 2019, 03:41:10 AM
I feel like you'd enjoy DS1 even more than Demon Souls. It perfects everything you're talking about.
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Post by: Himu on April 26, 2019, 03:54:18 AM
This is why I spent 40 hours trying to get into Dark Souls in two separate occasions: it’s one of those things that feels made for me. I like a lot about it. I loved the world building that I *did* see in Dark Souls.
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Post by: Himu on April 29, 2019, 11:58:55 PM
Installing Dark Souls to fuck around lol.
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Post by: Raist on April 30, 2019, 12:33:53 AM
Installing Dark Souls to fuck around lol.

Play Bloodborne :rage :rage :rage
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 30, 2019, 12:51:41 AM
I got it in the mail yesterday  :-*

Lets do it Cindi

Ive been looking up noob builds
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 30, 2019, 01:00:22 AM
Does this really feel like a summer spring sunshine game though? Mayne best saved for fall/winter
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 01:26:43 AM
My pc doesn’t run it well. My old computer ran it really well. Even with dsfix it’s not the smoothest. But playing it it’s easy to see why I clocked 40 hours in two different tries. I actually love a lot about the game. More later.
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 01:27:11 AM
Installing Dark Souls to fuck around lol.

Play Bloodborne :rage :rage :rage

I ordered and it’s on the way. Sick of Sekiro’s end game so I wanted a quick break. Relax.
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 01:44:56 AM
Okay so what I've done so far. I'm only asking so I can understand on how I can make this more enjoyable in the long run. I rolled warrior for its high dex. With master key as my item as suggested.

- Looted treasure near the knight on the edge of firelink
- Obtained Zweinhander and other items from skeleton knight graveyard
- Made my way to underground where the ghosts are

(https://i.imgur.com/idqGTc2.png)

Her name is Thick, and she's shy.

I've got 2752 Souls. What should I spend them on? Sekiro has gotten me in the habit of spending currency earlier while I have it because you never know what will happen and given that it's a game where you cannot retrieve what you've lost you might as well wise up to spending on it now rather than later. Because there's no guarantees. Usually I save them until I get to the black smith on the way to the Taurus Demon. But could I spend them now? How do I make my Souls useful? I'm assuming I should level up now. I remember one mechanic in DkS1 is that of dex and str weapons I think? Some weapons that are fast are dex weapons and you want to pump stats into Dex to make that ranking higher? And str if it's a strength based weapon? I don't remember. Is Bloodborne like this?

Another thing I've noticed is my weight goes up as I collect more. I never cared about that in the past and in rpgs I usually have the mindset of,"I have no idea if I'll need it so I'm keeping it" unless the game makes money sparse and you need to sell old gear to get some cash like say, in Dragon Quest. But here more loot makes my roll even more slow in terms of recovery.

So here's my weapon screen, with Talisman and Shield not shown.

(https://i.imgur.com/hUzRAqT.png)

So what do I do? Pick one and trash the rest to raise my roll recovery? What's the best way to manage loot in this?

What's amazing about Dark Souls is how embedded it in in me. I haven't beaten it and yet playing it is like seeing a former best friend again. Like I did all of this is in one run without a death. I'm shocked how much I remember.
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Post by: naff on April 30, 2019, 01:53:37 AM
you can hold as much loot as you want without it affecting anything, your roll speed is determined by your equip load. equip load and stamina are increased by end. you want less than 50% for med roll, sub 25 for fast roll. armor doesn't matter all that much. you'll have a hard time heading through the new londo ruins at the outset.
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 01:58:03 AM
Don listed these as locations you can go to at the outset:

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Catacombs, Burg, Blighttown, Depths, New Londo Ruins, Ash Lake, Great Hollow, etc.

Where would you suggest I head?

Going to order Dark Souls trilogy for ps4. That seems the system I'll have to play them on given Dark Souls' performance on my pc.
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Post by: naff on April 30, 2019, 02:08:29 AM
i would highly rec specialising in a primary dmg stat and levelling that next to vit and endurance more or less ignoring the rest. there aren't really quality builds with Dark Souls, it's about getting base stats for your weapon of choice them pumping your dmg stat, end/vit. resistance is worthless.

by far the path of least resistance (and natural progression) is through undead burg
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 02:14:43 AM
Normal run is like: starting area --> go up to the bridge --> Undead Burg (?) --> go for Taurus Demon --> fire bridge --> go unlock Andre. Then it's up to you either Gargoyles up or Capra down and enter Depths (easy boss there) and move on to Blighttown to fight the Spider. But I think you know all of this (you remember) so I dunno why are you asking?

Catacombs, New Londo Ruins --> leave them for later on, much later on. After Sen's and all the other shit.

I'm asking because I'm considering there's other options I didn't know about considered. Who is Andre again? Oh, google tells me he's that awesome blacksmith near the cathedral where you fight Gargoyle.

Isn't Blight town on the way to Capra demon? I remember that being the case. I'd go from blight town, fight those cool looking assassin/ninja dudes, and then capra was there.  You're telling me there's a way to fight Capra then go up to blight town? But how?
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Post by: Bebpo on April 30, 2019, 02:16:15 AM
Ps. Capra Demon fight still gonna be shit all these years later. Just learn the trick and get past it when you get there.
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 02:17:39 AM
Ps. Capra Demon fight still gonna be shit all these years later. Just learn the trick and get past it when you get there.

What I remember is, kill his dogs immediately, run for the stairs let him chase you, fall off stairs, attack while he's falling, repeat.
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 02:19:14 AM
i would highly rec specialising in a primary dmg stat and levelling that next to vit and endurance more or less ignoring the rest. there aren't really quality builds with Dark Souls, it's about getting base stats for your weapon of choice them pumping your dmg stat, end/vit. resistance is worthless.

by far the path of least resistance (and natural progression) is through undead burg

In this i prefer speed over heavy because i like to roll. So pump into dex?
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Post by: Bebpo on April 30, 2019, 02:22:32 AM
Ps. Capra Demon fight still gonna be shit all these years later. Just learn the trick and get past it when you get there.

What I remember is, kill his dogs immediately, run for the stairs let him chase you, fall off stairs, attack while he's falling, repeat.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.
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Post by: naff on April 30, 2019, 02:22:57 AM
havels is ok in this, but imo. armor. doesn't. matter. fashion souls baby. speed rolling > *. you'll save like half a hits worth of dmg over 5 hits between random light armor and havels. big difference is not getting staggered (poise).

nah cindi, your rollspeed has nothing to do with anything except your equip load. you can play the heaviest ultra greatsword in the game and roll like you're carrying a feather, so long as you're under 25% or 50% of your total equip load (you can be over your total equip load too at which point you can't run or roll at all).
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Post by: Bebpo on April 30, 2019, 02:23:45 AM
i would highly rec specialising in a primary dmg stat and levelling that next to vit and endurance more or less ignoring the rest. there aren't really quality builds with Dark Souls, it's about getting base stats for your weapon of choice them pumping your dmg stat, end/vit. resistance is worthless.

by far the path of least resistance (and natural progression) is through undead burg

In this i prefer speed over heavy because i like to roll. So pump into dex?

Yeah. STR/VIT builds are ok but they play more slow and heavy and kill everything in 1-2 swings which is fun too, but DEX is more rolling and stabbity stabbing.
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 02:25:20 AM
I wanna go for Capra first. How do I get to the Depths after I reach Andre and how do I port to a different bonfire so I don't have to trek all the way from the cathedral where andre is to firelink shrine?

Oh wait, I remember the stairs where Andre is there's like a shaman and then you kill him and then there's something after that. Is that where the depths are?
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 02:28:29 AM
nah cindi, your rollspeed has nothing to do with anything except your equip load. you can play the heaviest ultra greatsword in the game and roll like you're carrying a feather, so long as you're under 25% or 50% of your total equip load (you can be over your total equip load too at which point you can't run or roll at all).

ooooooh

how do I check my equip load again?
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Post by: naff on April 30, 2019, 02:29:18 AM
status screen lol

https://darksouls.wiki.fextralife.com/Dark+Souls+Wiki

edit: this also dece https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1416343491

i would def try and coerce you to go down the strength path, or int. dex is fine, but int with base stats for dex weapon? now we're talking. int build is ez mode. if pure physical, strength is easy mode. get on that zwei life early (also claymore is king). faith/miracles build is nice, but not really good/great til the late game
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 02:33:52 AM
I think that’s how I fought Capra the first time.

As much as I’m excited to do all this I should probably wait till I beat Bloodborne first. :(

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Post by: Raist on April 30, 2019, 02:34:48 AM
Weapons are very different in BB compared to DS. The vast majority of them only have small stats requirements, and don't scale all that much. Upgrades are more important.

There's a ton less than in DS, and they're all very unique and most likely you'll settle on one that fits your play style more. Each one of them has two modes, which you can change on the fly, even mid-attacks.

And then there's guns, which mostly do fuck all damage, but are used for parrying.
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 02:37:54 AM
How does a gun work for parrying. Of the footage I’ve seen I like the starter weapon in BB. I think it’s a saw? And it stretches? I see no other reason to use any other weapon because it’s fast and occupies an obscene amount of space. But that’s only from my observation.
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Post by: Bebpo on April 30, 2019, 03:46:15 AM
Borys is wrong, starting saw in short form is awesome. Very fast high damage over time, just lacks range so you gotta be all ninja style in their face. There’s other weapons I also had fun with in BB but in BB and Dark Souls 1-3 you only get enough of the upgrade items to max a single weapon on first play, so pick one and stick with it. I did the short saw and was totally happy with it.

Gun parry works like a parry with longer reach. It’s actually really cool because you just time it right to interrupt enemy/boss attacks and you get a special sound/animation to rush in and get a Sekiro style deathblow attack that does massive damage.
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 03:47:20 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/comments/4c3og1/guide_bloodborne_beginner_tips/

I am really looking forward to BB.

I think ultimately I prefer the combat in older soulsborne games than Sekiro. The constant pressure, not ever having time to think, bosses with four forms thing just turns the game into a chore of endurance eventually. I think they went too hard in a direction of “we don’t want this to be Souls” and created new problems.

Still love the game though. But that end game.
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Post by: Don Rumata on April 30, 2019, 03:57:24 AM
Saw squad here.
Closed up saw is basically the game's long sword, fast and versatile.
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Post by: Don Rumata on April 30, 2019, 04:41:28 AM
Sekiro DLC, if they're doin it.
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Post by: naff on April 30, 2019, 04:41:50 AM
I hope they tease that rumoured GRRM GoT collab for the lols
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Post by: Raist on April 30, 2019, 05:00:13 AM
How does a gun work for parrying.

It's basically an interrupt of their attack that stuns them for a second (like a DS parry) allowing you to do a visceral attack for M A S S I V E  D A M A G E.

"Backstabs" are also a lot more satisfying than DS, because you can only get them with a charged back attack, which stuns enemies like the parry.
It's not as simple as walk in circle and eventually the AI will derp out and you'll get a free backstab.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 30, 2019, 07:03:41 AM
Im pretty sure i played BB with a saw, was really good

Im still undecided on the build ill use in DS1.

Pyro, Quality or Dex... Cleric?
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Post by: naff on April 30, 2019, 07:29:03 AM
sheeit, i didn't think Quality builds were really a thing in Dark Souls, but turns weapons like claymore do scale well split between str and dex :doge of course being c/c makes sense. been quite a while since i played dark souls.... aside frm my first run i always played some kinda spellsword with only base physical stats in dks1

mugenmonkey build (https://www.mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?b=d2Fycmlvciw0MCw4LDQ1LDQwLDQwLDExLDksOSwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMjQsMCwwLG5vcm1hbCxub3JtYWwsbm9ybWFsLG5vcm1hbCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsd29vZGVuLHdvb2Rlbix3b29kZW4sd29vZGVuLDEsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMA==)

Good list of weps https://darksouls.wiki.fextralife.com/Weapons

Might actually have to pick up the switch remaster and give it another run through :doge
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Post by: demi on April 30, 2019, 07:55:29 AM
resources i used:

dark souls (NOT remastered) walkthrough:

https://www.trueachievements.com/game/Dark-Souls/walkthrough

dark souls 2 (SOTFS) walkthrough:

https://www.trueachievements.com/game/Dark-Souls-II-Scholar-of-the-First-Sin/walkthrough

dark souls 3 [haven't played yet] walkthrough:

https://www.trueachievements.com/game/Dark-Souls-III/walkthrough

bloodborne walkthrough:

https://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/bloodborne/262927-bloodborne-trophy-guide-road-map.html
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 08:47:44 AM
So your plan is:

Sekiro --> BB --> DS1?

Sound plan, hope you don't bail out in the middle. Be sure to play both games (BB, DS1) with the DLCs. BB DLC is fucking CRAY CRAY.

Yeah man.

Sekiro -> BB -> DS1-3 in order

The BB I ordered has DLC on the disc, and Dark Souls trilogy which I will be ordering eventually has dlc on the discs as well to my knowledge.

So I will be going through Dark Souls Remastered. Which honestly just looks like Dark Souls 1. I had been meaning to get it and give Dark Souls another shot. Putting all the games in one box is great.
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 09:17:01 AM
This guy has a lot of helpful advice. Also as a player of fighting games now, I just have a different mindset. Especially since one of the games he listed as actually hard (Street Fighter III: Third Strike) is actually a game I play and learning to play competitively. Comparing Souls games to the cutthroat environment of Third Strike competition is...well, not even fair. I’ve always liked challenging games but my definition on what a challenge is has dramatically changed.

https://youtu.be/zmB8wBNkpps

Also like me he gave Dark Souls a shot 2-3 times. Seems to be a recurring theme with the game.
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Post by: Don Rumata on April 30, 2019, 10:40:05 AM
Cindi, didn't you play Demon's Souls anyway? You already know everything you need to know with that.
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 02:45:43 PM
Yeah but :idont It was a long time ago.
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 03:05:57 PM
Why are so many soulsborne youtubers British?
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 03:23:32 PM
I'm not looking forward to Dark Souls 2. :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bzKAEbaYUA
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Post by: Himu on April 30, 2019, 04:05:45 PM
Considering this order:

Sekiro -> BB -> DS1 -> Demon's  -> break and play Dragon's Dogma which has been on my list -> DS3 -> Nioh -> DS2

I always wondered why people were negative about DS2 but after that video lmao Now I know why. Looks badly designed and only makes DeS and DkS look better.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 30, 2019, 05:11:28 PM
Im going for a Cleric build, just got to the Tauren who killed me lol even though I know what to do. Last soulsbourne i played was BB like 4 years ago so Im a bit rusty.

Or old or shit   :doge
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Post by: Bebpo on April 30, 2019, 05:54:05 PM
Dark Souls 2 is pretty good. Don't get the hate. There's like one stage which sucks but the main areas are pretty great. Some really neat lore stuff too.
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Post by: naff on April 30, 2019, 11:44:57 PM
Im going for a Cleric build, just got to the Tauren who killed me lol even though I know what to do. Last soulsbourne i played was BB like 4 years ago so Im a bit rusty.

Or old or shit   :doge

WoG, Sunlight Blade and DMB are the nuts in this game  :lawd

Starting with the mace is sick, I done this before and just rock the mace most of the game. A scaling with str at +15. also highly rec grabbing astoras straight sword right near the beginning down next to the sleeping dragon. Absolutely demolishes the early game, can go str8 down into darkroot and start semi sequence skipping stuff (inherent divine dmg lets you kill skeles str8 away in catacombs too)
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 01, 2019, 05:34:29 AM
Tip: don't play this game after sleeping only 3-4 hours.
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Post by: Don Rumata on May 01, 2019, 07:07:09 AM
Dark Souls 2 is pretty good. Don't get the hate. There's like one stage which sucks but the main areas are pretty great. Some really neat lore stuff too.
I get the hate, but i also like DkS2 a lot, the one i've sinked more hours into, if anything because there's so much content.
It's not like other games in tthe series are ultra polished anyway.

But some design decisions were indeed, absolutely demented (ADP, soul memory, enemy despawning and insane weapon degradation).
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Post by: naff on May 01, 2019, 07:19:02 AM
picked up the steam remaster to play along with a cleric too, whipped through to ring the garg bell then forgot how to get down to blight town when not using the master key, or where the capra demon was. just potted around for a while figuring i'd find it exploring but ended up checking a guide. through the door with a key just after meeting solaire  ::) been a while. beat the capra demon and missed the path to the right, so fucked around again looking for the door before the "demon" interpreting that as taurus demon in the wikinote i read, but it was the capra ofc. v dumb. bad memories of that area when i first played in 2014, mostly avoided it apart from grabbing grigs on subsequent play throughs and bailing out to do the valley of drakes entrance. first encounter back then w capra demon they seemed a hell of a lot worse 1 shotting me a few times just as i exited the gate. idk, was fine now and i haven't pumped vit at all. maybe they unfucked him from aggroing so quick as you exit the fog now?

had a few deaths leading up to the gargoyles and thought of cindi, one was the magician x gank squad and hallway camera stuck in wall jank, 4 directional rolling has messed me up a lil bit too trying to take advantage of the ai like in ds3 and get the ez backstabs instead just rolling straight into them and getting pummeled (mainly just a few deaths chipping away at havel). another just after that with some invasion troll posing as a barrel on the landing just before the fog gate and 1 shotting me with a mighty soul arrow then looking at me with the binoculars. hadn't seen that taunt before  :lol
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Post by: Don Rumata on May 01, 2019, 07:55:37 AM
Also reinstalled PtDE, and this game it's so easy compared to future FROM games, quite comfy in that sense.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 01, 2019, 08:56:16 AM
Should I get lighting spear asap? Already put 6 points in faith (and a few in end and vit) ,need 10 more.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 01, 2019, 10:32:01 AM
Also this “play/watch what you like” is some preposterous shit. How does anyone develop taste by staying in their comfort zone? The reason my taste is so damn good is because I’ve fought hard to be eclectic as possible. At one point in time I liked every game genre and probably had the most diverse game taste on this site besides Demi. The only reason I can’t stand modern games is their hand holding, waypoints, and endless tutorials.

I know this is from several days ago and I don't know if anyone else made this point to you, but it's called "the first 30 or whatever years you've been alive so far." This is a natural part of life. I don't play shit in genres I know I don't like anymore just so I can "have an experience" everyone else is having. And some shit I used to enjoy when I was younger (harder games) I just don't enjoy as much any longer because, quite frankly, I'm 41 and my reflexes and hand/eye coordination are shit and can't physically do what I used to do in order to be successful at those games anymore.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 01, 2019, 10:54:29 AM
Also this “play/watch what you like” is some preposterous shit. How does anyone develop taste by staying in their comfort zone? The reason my taste is so damn good is because I’ve fought hard to be eclectic as possible. At one point in time I liked every game genre and probably had the most diverse game taste on this site besides Demi. The only reason I can’t stand modern games is their hand holding, waypoints, and endless tutorials.

I know this is from several days ago and I don't know if anyone else made this point to you, but it's called "the first 30 or whatever years you've been alive so far." This is a natural part of life. I don't play shit in genres I know I don't like anymore just so I can "have an experience" everyone else is having. And some shit I used to enjoy when I was younger (harder games) I just don't enjoy as much any longer because, quite frankly, I'm 41 and my reflexes and hand/eye coordination are shit and can't physically do what I used to do in order to be successful at those games anymore.

Yeah, that's fair. I think the point still stands for like non-reflex games it's always good to be open to trying new stuff that you might like.
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 11:32:43 AM
Tbf, I’ve always hated hand holding. It’s why I could never get into Okami. Ive always enjoyed exploring, making my own rules, mastering systems. Back in the day, I enjoyed the freedom that came with games. In that, rules can be broken. Or you had the freedom to explore to your own liking. It’s a big reason I was big on RPGs (especially j) and open world sandbox like gta. So the more games handhold, the less I like. It is by far and beyond my biggest gaming pet peeve and I have never been able to overcome it. I loathe it with a thousand suns.

As for hand eye reflex coordination, in my experience that can be built up and maintained if practiced. I feel like my reflexes are better now than in my 20’s. Might be the fighters, I have no idea.

I completely get you though.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 01, 2019, 11:37:01 AM
Ehhh, there’s a reason why most esports players are out by 30s/40s, same as with regular sports players. I definitely don’t have the twitch action reflexes I had during the ps2 days.
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 11:54:38 AM
:yeshrug

Old players like Daigo still play. Sako won Evo just a few years ago. Sako is 40. :idont

Of course, they’re beasts. But if you watch the Co-operation Cup it’s still full of people in their 30’s and 40’s kicking ass. I swear my reflexes are better. There was a study that showed neural plasticity is a thing and that older people can have the reflexes of someone younger.

Video games aren’t physical sports. A big reason those guys retire is that their body breaks down. Video games have far less physical barrier unless you’re some pro smasher who has to retire due to carpal tunnel.

I am better now at games than I was in my teens. :yeshrug

I think there may be a way to recondition Snorenado.
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 12:15:42 PM
Tbh the biggest deterrent against games isn’t reflexes or anything like that: it’s time.
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Post by: Svejk on May 01, 2019, 12:29:43 PM
Tbh the biggest deterrent against games isn’t reflexes or anything like that: it’s time.
This is true.  And what time allowed to play greatly affects how you play, imo.   I know it does me.  DS for example, feeling of losing progress when souls are lost and/or fighting the same enemies over again (regardless of running past them or not), it's hard to justify, "well, I gained some git gud I suppose"  :doge   Of course, the wee hours of the weekend I get to play my own games, I have some drank... that too hinders those reflexes some, but I still have fun.  :D
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 12:44:54 PM
I think it's multiple factors. There's age with brings its own degradation of course. But as we age our priorities also shift. You may not put in the time you once did in games because I mean, they're video games. And you might invest in other things like family or school or your job. As you play less games, your knack for games also lessens which also decreases muscle memory and reflexes. Of course our reflexes go down as a we age, but many of us stop playing games as much entirely, which is probably a bigger factor when it comes to being worse at games in our old age.

So maybe it's a question of finding a game that you like enough to play, if not hardcore, at least casually, that helps maintain those reflexes.

And it may not have to be the most demanding of games either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OODlKDgodTM

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Post by: Svejk on May 01, 2019, 01:05:15 PM
With what little time I have to play, I could never see myself playing for over an hour fighting one boss over and over again till I beat him, like Borys can…  That’s where time tells me to say, fuck it, gotta move on.  …which makes me struggle with Souls games.  But I want to play them so bad though, because I love action RPGs and the themes.  :noah
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 01:41:54 PM
Honestly don't blame you.

Bloodborne out for delivery so I'll get to start playing  it tonight. :)

Hope the music is as good as Dark Souls'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMWTyxrBgRU
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 01:56:23 PM
More on grandma.

https://kotaku.com/is-this-the-worlds-oldest-gamer-5823318
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Post by: Bebpo on May 01, 2019, 02:21:05 PM
Tbh souls games aren’t particularly hard. I’m not great at games and I usually don’t die more than a few times in a DS game and sometimes I’ll beat a DS game without ever permanently losing my souls. Once you get the hang of it you just take it slower and more careful in new areas and don’t get greedy and bonfire when needed. Bosses can take a few tries but they’re always at a spot where you can easily grab your souls each time before trying each attempt.

I’d say the

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Archers on Anor Londo exterior in DS1

&

Very first opening area in Bloodborne with tons of enemies
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Are probably the trickiest.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 01, 2019, 02:24:50 PM
I mean straight up even further, my clear times for DS1-3 & Bloodborne, all DLCs included in each were about 30 hours each with the longest being maybe 35-40 (I think that DS2).

Even if you’re an old ass gamer with no time or skills you have time for a 30 hour rpg, and even if you only have 30 mins a night that’ll get you to the next bonfire or past a boss and then a save point.

Sekiro is different where you might need a lot of time for bosses.
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 03:28:43 PM
Quote
Here you have 2 skilled, younger fighting games/ Ninja Gaiden guys telling an elder player he should maybe reconsider his gaming priorities and get good :rofl

That...that wasn't said at all.

In fact, I brought up priorities being different as we age.
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 03:37:48 PM
Nah. Not fix him. Just think there should be a game or something out there he can play that is something like what he used to play when he was young that requires more reflexes. Like I said, it doesn't have to be demanding or even in-depth. The guy said that he can't play higher reflex/difficult games, and I don't think that's entirely true depending on what that game is.

Ultimately I agree with him in that as you get older it's best to stay in your lane and stick with what you like.

Problem is that despite my issues with Dark Souls in the past, I ultimately still like like it. Haha. So maybe we're coming at this from different places.
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Post by: naff on May 01, 2019, 04:48:06 PM
Is Mace in DS1 as overpowered as in DS2? I remember using Mace for 90% of time in DS2 because it was that good.

No idea, I probably won't play 2.

The mace is a decent weapon for a Cleric, can comfortably be used through to the end game. Fine one handed, A scaling with Str, no need to worry about Dex. Personally going for a janky(bad) all around low vit build this time where i'll end up with 40 dex/str and 30fth for the dmb/slb miracles so i can have a stupid high AR quality build. I forgot how good miracles are in this game, even force, you get 21 uses no FP! Casting is ridiculously fast. Keeping attunement low at 12 for 2 slots. 3 would be nice, but i think im spreading my stats too thin already.
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Post by: naff on May 01, 2019, 04:53:04 PM
Should I get lighting spear asap? Already put 6 points in faith (and a few in end and vit) ,need 10 more.

Don't you need to deposit sunlight medals for that too? You could help with some gargoyle runs, every time you help to beat a boss your requirement at the altar drops by 5 fth levels. I wouldn't worry bout it til later. Force and Heal are great.

With what little time I have to play, I could never see myself playing for over an hour fighting one boss over and over again till I beat him, like Borys can…  That’s where time tells me to say, fuck it, gotta move on.  …which makes me struggle with Souls games.  But I want to play them so bad though, because I love action RPGs and the themes.  :noah

so long as you don't hold yourself to a no summons code, no bosses in souls are actually that hard. DkS3 is still popular enough that there are pc summons on nearly every boss, and when there aren't, there are npc summons that crush or at least distract while you crush. i think borys is one of those that holds himself to that code? me? naw. i try to play the most broken build and summon  whenever possible/make sure i follow npc questlines so i can play as cabbage mode as possible esp on 1st run.
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 05:47:34 PM
Bloodborne get.

Footage later!
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 06:38:20 PM
No starter weapon in BB :mindblown
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Post by: naff on May 01, 2019, 06:42:41 PM
post when you beat father gascoigne  :teehee
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 06:52:00 PM
:o

this is fantastic
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 07:43:20 PM
https://youtu.be/NMU180EzKnY
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 08:12:04 PM
First impressions:

- "This is neat."
- "Oh there's a demon wolf there. Wait. I have no weapon. Uhhhh"
- *dies*
- Goes to dream land. :what
- Ports back and dies some more
- "Um."
- finds some molotov cocktails and uses them to kill enemies including the demon wolf.
- Heals using vials, assuming I'll get em back at whatever bonfire this game has
- "Wait. There's no bonfire. I just used up precious resources."
- Kills enemies bare handed.
- "Where are weapons??"
- "Wait this has no block button!?" :crazy
- every door is locked :mindblown

I eventually found weapons in the dream world. But holy shit. Resource decision making matters, item management matters, resource management really matters. Not getting hit at all is a resource management because you can't replenish a flask like before.

I have gone around in circles because every door is locked and have no idea what I'm doing and I'm LOVING IT.

vincemcmahon.gif entirely
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Post by: paprikastaude on May 01, 2019, 08:54:32 PM
Tbf, I’ve always hated hand holding. It’s why I could never get into Okami. Ive always enjoyed exploring, making my own rules, mastering systems. Back in the day, I enjoyed the freedom that came with games. In that, rules can be broken. Or you had the freedom to explore to your own liking. It’s a big reason I was big on RPGs (especially j) and open world sandbox like gta. So the more games handhold, the less I like. It is by far and beyond my biggest gaming pet peeve and I have never been able to overcome it. I loathe it with a thousand suns.

As for hand eye reflex coordination, in my experience that can be built up and maintained if practiced. I feel like my reflexes are better now than in my 20’s. Might be the fighters, I have no idea.

I completely get you though.

said after making a 3 page thread begging to be hand held through a game that has, at worst, a SNES game's accessibility.  :doge
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Post by: Bebpo on May 01, 2019, 09:00:43 PM
Ok, that video that you forgot to get a weapon and are fighting dudes barehanded is pretty amazing Cindi  :lol

Glad you found the weapons!
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 09:09:35 PM
Tbf, I’ve always hated hand holding. It’s why I could never get into Okami. Ive always enjoyed exploring, making my own rules, mastering systems. Back in the day, I enjoyed the freedom that came with games. In that, rules can be broken. Or you had the freedom to explore to your own liking. It’s a big reason I was big on RPGs (especially j) and open world sandbox like gta. So the more games handhold, the less I like. It is by far and beyond my biggest gaming pet peeve and I have never been able to overcome it. I loathe it with a thousand suns.

As for hand eye reflex coordination, in my experience that can be built up and maintained if practiced. I feel like my reflexes are better now than in my 20’s. Might be the fighters, I have no idea.

I completely get you though.

said after making a 3 page thread begging to be hand held through a game that has, at worst, a SNES game's accessibility.  :doge

There's a difference between wanting tips and hand holding but ok.
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Post by: naff on May 01, 2019, 09:42:14 PM
should've said: don't post 'til you beat father gascoigne  :teehee
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Post by: paprikastaude on May 01, 2019, 09:43:44 PM
one don't need tips for bb except play blind
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 10:44:19 PM
This game is hard as shit.
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Post by: Himu on May 01, 2019, 11:53:45 PM
one don't need tips for bb except play blind

:beli

Shut up.
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Post by: Himu on May 02, 2019, 12:46:56 AM
Took a break a few hours ago. My progress so far.

https://youtu.be/KM_-jsVwEKM

My character:

(https://i.imgur.com/SHam7nk.jpg)

Impressions:

Game is hard and punishing as shit, and...

(https://i.imgur.com/M4uSNv5.gif)
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Post by: Bebpo on May 02, 2019, 12:56:16 AM
The difficulty has a lot of curves. It definitely will get much easier than the beginning which is super hard, but then there'll be spikes of hard too. If you want a real challenge save the DLC for NG+, I mean I'm sure it's hard enough in NG, but in NG+ the expansion does.not.fuck.around
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Post by: Raist on May 02, 2019, 01:44:38 AM
:o

this is fantastic


:rejoice
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Post by: Don Rumata on May 02, 2019, 03:17:46 AM
should've said: don't post 'til you beat father gascoigne  :teehee
I beat Gascoigne on first try, back in the day.  :smug
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But died once at Cleric Beast (i blame the camera of course).
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Post by: Himu on May 02, 2019, 03:51:01 AM
Made it to Father. That's it for today.

Changing it so that sometimes your blood/souls aren't a stain to pick up but contained within a monster you have to beat is...genius. Like, damn. So if you lose your souls you might have to fight the very monster that killed you which makes you play even better because there's so much more at risk if you die. Wow.

The level design is nothing short of superb. It feels like it's more open than Dark Souls. In Dark Souls you had shortcuts but they often had specific requirements like needing specific keys. The level design here is more like Demon's. Often in Dark Souls the world can feel very linear because it's a straight trek and you've got bonfires. Here, there's only one bonfire in this area, the lamp, and you need to unlock shortcuts within the area to progress. For instance, in Undead Burg in DkS1 you need to get a key so you can go down that staircase and down into the village where you fight the assassins on the way to Capra. Or that locked sewer on the way to Undead Burg. In BB, you have one massive area with lots of shortcuts to unlock. It feels more massive and open than Dark Souls to me. I don't know if it's artificial or what.

The encounter design is classic From Soft.

Somehow I feel more powerful than in Sekiro despite less options. I feel so COOL doing stuff like this.

(https://i.imgur.com/HRGGv76.gif)

Speaking of which, BB is a very unique and fantastic parry system. Tying it to a resource (bullets)? Even better. Interrupting a attack you read with your gun, and then parrying is so, fucking satisfying.

The combat might be more satisfying than Sekiro.

The world building is incredible. After Sekiro having a talking protagonist and the world/story fed to you I now find that to be a mistake despite how much I enjoy it. It's so refreshing putting the puzzle pieces together individually with this game. "Where am I?" "What the fuck am I?" "What's a hunter and what do they hunt?" "Why are people locked in houses treating me like this?" "What is that doll?" I love how each individual question gets incrementally answered. I love that minimalist story telling and From Soft surprises me in how good they are in still telling stories in that manner.

The atmosphere is  :delicious

I think I might end up liking this more than Sekiro which shocks me. This entire time I avoided BB thinking it wouldn't be something for me and I'm kicking myself for doing so.

I've my blood into HP so far to give me some extra leeway. Maybe concentrate on strength next. Not sure what the point of Skill is.

I love this game. :lawd
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Post by: Himu on May 02, 2019, 04:03:18 AM
Also HOLY GOD, as a Berserk fan this game is pure fanservice.

Like, the LOGO is straight up the mark that the demons put on Guts.

(https://i.imgur.com/SfWoYUi.jpg)

The design of the hunters is straight out of Berserk.

(https://i.imgur.com/T5ez9tU.png)

I didn't know this game had Hunters in it before I bought it. I knew nothing of the story.

I'm so glad I named my character Buffy. :rejoice
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Post by: Bebpo on May 02, 2019, 04:20:25 AM
Yeah, From Soft loves Berserk, there’s that key image from Dark Souls 1 expansion that’s like literally a retrace of an image from Berserk.

Dark Souls is actually closer to Berserk than BB which you’ll see. DS is dark fantasy genre, BB is cosmic horror. Best Lovecraft game.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 02, 2019, 04:50:51 AM
The opening of BB is good but it gets do much more Lovecraft later
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Post by: Don Rumata on May 02, 2019, 06:05:15 AM
Dracula's vibes in the beginning > Lovecraft shit.
Probably the only person on the planet who thinks that, though.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 02, 2019, 06:17:47 AM
The shift in tone is what makes it so great, esp when you didn't see it coming.
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Post by: paprikastaude on May 02, 2019, 09:28:31 AM
Considering this.

https://www.amazon.com/Bloodborne-Game-Year-Sony-PlayStation-4/dp/B01MS1GOAX/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=bloodborne+goty+edition&qid=1556221171&s=gateway&sr=8-1

But it's European. Does that matter? Probably not anymore with PS4 being region free, but I'm curious about it. It has all dlc. But would EU dlc work on an US ps account?

Doesn't matter and you'd just need to make a EU account to redeem the DLC, which you can then use on your American account.  But there is a version of this game that has all the DLC already included on the disc- I have it.  It's the version that came out in Saudi Arabia (has a quote from IGN Middle East on the cover).

This guy appears to be selling this version of the game, on eBay, for $29:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bloodborne-Game-of-the-Year-Edition-PlayStation-4-PS4-Region-Free-ARPG-NEW/142241086884?hash=item211e3abda4:g:v1kAAOSwSZFZ3Tnt&frcectupt=true

wait what :leon thread redeemed forever

Dracula's vibes in the beginning > Lovecraft shit.
Probably the only person on the planet who thinks that, though.

I like everything but the whole purple deal at the end :trumps
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Post by: Svejk on May 02, 2019, 09:31:45 AM
I wanna thank ya'll for making this thread... this weekend, I'm gonna take a break from Shadow of War, get back into DSIII and get off the damn High Wall of Lothric for once.  :salute
Which I know is still basically the beginning.  :doge
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Post by: porkbun on May 02, 2019, 10:07:40 AM
Not sure what the point of Skill is.

It increases the attack power of certain weapons.

I probably should get around to actually finishing DS3 sometime.  I got stuck on one point and then didn't touch my PS4 for a while and kind of forgot about it.

Bloodborne is probably my favorite though.  Once the combat clicks with you, it's so nice.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 02, 2019, 11:54:43 AM
Past Gargolyes now, Mace up to 5+

I died twice with a summon cause i tried to melee lol, just firebombed them on the third try.

Would like some offensive magickz
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Post by: Bebpo on May 02, 2019, 12:23:52 PM
The first time I played Dark Souls 1 I struggled so hard on the bell tower gargoyles at the beginning. Going back these days it's a lot more doable lol
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Post by: Bebpo on May 02, 2019, 12:35:57 PM
Going back on the Berserk stuff, there's a ton of Berserk references in the Souls games. I still think this artwork is the most straight up nod since it was the cover for the Prepare to Die edition of DS1.

(https://i.imgur.com/hM0pFlYh.jpg)

And you can cosplay as Gattsu/Guts in DS3 complete with iron hand & the eclipse.

(https://i.imgur.com/z73HPSuh.jpg)
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Post by: Himu on May 02, 2019, 12:59:57 PM
:o

The eclipse
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Post by: Himu on May 02, 2019, 01:39:41 PM
should've said: don't post 'til you beat father gascoigne  :teehee

https://youtu.be/FQu5q49DtxU

(https://i.imgur.com/VyXfzue.gif)
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Post by: Bebpo on May 02, 2019, 02:32:00 PM
Nice work, coming from Sekiro probably helps since that's sorta a slower paced Sekiro boss fight. Coming from DS1/2 at the time, that fight was so fast and fucked everyone up  :lol
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 02, 2019, 02:45:42 PM
Capra demon now  :doge

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Post by: Himu on May 02, 2019, 02:49:51 PM
https://youtu.be/FQu5q49DtxU

Facts:

1) 99% (all but one) of your parries missed.
2) Exactly 1 (one) of your parries connected and you did not visceral it --> ergo treat it as a missed parry.
3) You beat this guy in under 2 minutes with no effort.

Learnings:

1) Parry mechanics SUCK. They SUCK in Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1/2/3, Bloodborne. They SUCK in Sekiro.
2) They are NOT NEEDED for any Soulsborne/Sekiro game even for Platinuming them.

You just proved this with that one video. FROM should really reconsider their post-Sekiro game to not be a "rhytm parry" title.

Bloodborne bosses feel easy coming from Sekiro, no?

I also beat this guy at 2nd or 3rd try. Never understood why he is a "roadblock" for the internet (I used Axe). I don't think I had a lot of problems with any BB (DLC) boss. Maybe Micolash. Everyone else was just a dodge game (no parries).

I'm learning the parry timing. I fought him before and I parried his attacks and it worked then. I feel like I'm parrying too early or too late. I was confused by a lot of his attacks. I did learn from the boss and some other enemies that I should roll towards them. For one, it puts me behind them. Two, it evades their hitbox especially if during during start up rather than active. When I dodged back I'd often get hit.

I like parries. Big damage if you can get a deathblow and they make me feel powerful.

Certainly a learning experience even though it was easy.

Capra demon now  :doge



Good luck!
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Post by: Himu on May 02, 2019, 03:04:41 PM
Hmm.

 :ohhh

Using fighting game knowledge here...so...

(http://i47.tinypic.com/34jd2qu.jpg)

Bison's psycho crusher has a very horizontal hit box. He takes lots of horizontal space. Same for a hadouken.

In Street Fighter you have a 2d side scroller game that is played x and y axis, horizontal, vertical, and occasionally diagonal. So the counter to psycho crusher is the jump over it, use your own horizontal move such as a hadouken, or if you have a jab fast enough that'll do.

But Bloodborne is a 3d game that has x, y, and z from the third perspective.

So pretending the psycho crusher were in Bloodborne, you definitely wouldn't want to roll back. You'd get hit. There's no jump, and rolling to the side might get tracked by an attack. So dodging forward or to the side would really work well. Hell it'd work fantastic on a hadouken.

Most of the more dangerous attacks in Bloodborne are moves that take up forward space that comes towards you.

(https://i.imgur.com/vEuzyMc.gif)

And that's how you can control space in Bloodborne by my estimations. It's not clear cut but it seems like a good rule to go by.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 02, 2019, 03:10:00 PM
I remember I destroyed Ludwig thinking "that is the hardest boss on youtube? what?"

Ludwig is not the hardest boss in the DLC, he's just tough because his moves are hard to read and have big hit radius. He was featured massively on youtube and is a meme because he is AWESOME, not because he's the hardest. Orphan of Kos is tougher imo.
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Post by: Himu on May 02, 2019, 03:11:41 PM
A lot of attacks in Bloodborne are like this. Hitbox in red, hurtbox in green.

(https://i.imgur.com/Voyosdq.jpg)

If she were in BB, you'd roll to the left or right, get behind her and punish.

:ohhh

Looking forward to the next boss now.
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Post by: Raist on May 02, 2019, 03:23:04 PM
I like how there's a specific hitbox for the tits :rejoice
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Post by: Himu on May 02, 2019, 03:25:25 PM
No man it’s from Skullgirls
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 02, 2019, 05:01:35 PM
I feel likw i made a booboo by investing like 11 levels in faith from thw get go, but now I have unlocked Lighting Spear which will hopefully prove BIG for me
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Post by: Himu on May 02, 2019, 10:07:46 PM
Surprised people complain about Bloodborne’s community. In my experience they’ve been very respectful and even sweet. Very supportive community.
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Post by: naff on May 02, 2019, 10:16:27 PM
I feel likw i made a booboo by investing like 11 levels in faith from thw get go, but now I have unlocked Lighting Spear which will hopefully prove BIG for me

did u get artorias's sword?

you could make a run for the divine ember too and imbue something for faith scaling, or go for lightning or just get the sunlight blade.

im SL 26 with most levels put into end (at 20), faith 2nd, then vit and a few in str and dex - 14/14 so i can start wielding uchi, now to get faith to 30 for sunlight blade. something i'd recommend going for asap since you're so heavy on faith. will prob more than double your weapon damage per strike with a high mag adjust talisman
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Post by: Himu on May 02, 2019, 11:29:30 PM
Just beat Cleric Beast on my first try.
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Post by: Himu on May 02, 2019, 11:37:35 PM
https://youtu.be/ogfxyypkIe8

Game owns

Just put that fighting game hitbox knowledge into action and it worked. :obama

And for those who will complain, yes I know I missed visceral attacks. I didn’t realize it was a free visceral until the end. Oh well, you live, you learn.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 03, 2019, 12:02:07 AM
I feel likw i made a booboo by investing like 11 levels in faith from thw get go, but now I have unlocked Lighting Spear which will hopefully prove BIG for me

did u get artorias's sword?

you could make a run for the divine ember too and imbue something for faith scaling, or go for lightning or just get the sunlight blade.

im SL 26 with most levels put into end (at 20), faith 2nd, then vit and a few in str and dex - 14/14 so i can start wielding uchi, now to get faith to 30 for sunlight blade. something i'd recommend going for asap since you're so heavy on faith. will prob more than double your weapon damage per strike with a high mag adjust talisman

Nope, sticking to mace I think.

Sl 27 now (6hours lol) with 16 vit, 15 end and 25 faith. Need to put some points into end now. Or should i put the next 5 in faith as well?
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Post by: naff on May 03, 2019, 02:25:21 AM
you can't really go wrong long term with your stat distribution if you stick with the basics. i think end/vit and phys damage stats are best early game. usually buff faith as i need it for the miracles i get.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 03, 2019, 02:59:11 AM
Cindi I saw your video on PS4 getting hit by the invisible attack and dying.
I'm so jealous you're playing this for the first time. Out of all the souls games I feel like Bloodborne is the only one I'd like to replay someday. Miyazaki's best game imo and even in 2019 I still stand by that it's the best game on PS4. Have fun with your Insight.

Recommended reading/watching for Bloodborne:
Alan Moore's The Courtyard & Providence
Event Horizon
Grant Morrison's Nameless
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Post by: Don Rumata on May 03, 2019, 03:43:16 AM
Surprised people complain about Bloodborne’s community. In my experience they’ve been very respectful and even sweet. Very supportive community.
You probably weren't around the "i just played Bloodborne and i can't enjoy any other game" obnoxious parade.
Especially when it came to the "Witcher 3 vs Bloodborne" threads/posts (which incidentally doubled as a Playstation vs Xbox ones, because Witcher was more tied to MS in marketing terms).
FROM fans are generally insufferable, and Bloodborne is their Jesus Christ, the fact that it's also Sony exclusive makes it all the more succulent.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 03, 2019, 04:20:01 AM
Once I realized I had to lock on to Capra to be able to block his attacks I was able to beat him. Yay for lightning spear
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Post by: Bebpo on May 03, 2019, 05:44:27 AM
Surprised people complain about Bloodborne’s community. In my experience they’ve been very respectful and even sweet. Very supportive community.
You probably weren't around the "i just played Bloodborne and i can't enjoy any other game" obnoxious parade.
Especially when it came to the "Witcher 3 vs Bloodborne" threads/posts (which incidentally doubled as a Playstation vs Xbox ones, because Witcher was more tied to MS in marketing terms).
FROM fans are generally insufferable, and Bloodborne is their Jesus Christ, the fact that it's also Sony exclusive makes it all the more succulent.

Well, like I said it’s the best game on the system so it’s not surprising people hold it in high regard. Same thing happened with RE4 on GC.
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Post by: Don Rumata on May 03, 2019, 07:18:28 AM
Nah, they moved on to God of War as PS Jesus.
Lol fair enough.

Well, like I said it’s the best game on the system so it’s not surprising people hold it in high regard. Same thing happened with RE4 on GC.
Best game on the system is debatable, though i agree it's probably the best PS4 exclusive, but RE4 was much more "earth shattering", in terms of design innovation, BB is just a twist on Souls, and if you played souls with a shieldless build, you were already 60% of the way there.
And personally i actually see it as a step back, since it trivializes stamina and encourages R1 spam, two things that set Demon's Souls apart from other action games.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 03, 2019, 07:31:21 AM
BB and Witcher 3 are both in my top 5 from the past decade

1. Witcher 3
2. Bloodborne
3. Last of Us
4. Hotline Miami
5. ???

Also there is a big fucking rat in the sewers in DS
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Post by: Svejk on May 03, 2019, 12:25:43 PM
Hotline Miami is the shit....  Didn't care for the 2nd one much at all.  :-\
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Post by: Himu on May 04, 2019, 02:26:18 AM
I like Bloodborne more than Sekiro.

An entire generation of not feeling single player games and in a month I encounter two that I love. Whew. Big dent on the cynicism armor.
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Post by: Himu on May 04, 2019, 02:49:58 AM
Seriously. Sekiro isn’t an rpg. But Bloodborne is an R.P.G.

I haven’t played a single rpg I think is good all generation. Years. Rpgs are my goddamn bread and butter.

The amount of choice and ramifications for being wrong make Bloodborne feel like an old school rpg experience of Japanese rpg lore. I’ve been employing my age old dungeon crawl tactics and systemically deducing the game to its parts. It gives me the same feeling I used to get while playing SMT games and other similar dungeon crawl games. It’s like the game was made specifically for me. I’ve made it to Old Yarnham and it’s not hard but it’s definitely punishing. It feels like a noticeable step up from Darin souls in that department. The enemies here, even the mooks, aren’t here to play.

The online makes it so good. It’s so populous that it feels like a real community helping each other out. It reminds me of Demon’s Souls when it first came out. Except this came out four years ago.

Stuff like stats, online, co-op, helping other noobs beat bosses gives it a bigger layer of depth that Sekiro could never achieve.

You guys don’t know what it means to me to be able to enjoy an rpg again. One that hasn’t sold out or gotten boring.

Real talk, I haven’t liked too many single player games this gen besides Cuphead and Sekiro. I have played multiplayer literally all generation.

I feel so wrong having not played BB until now that I’m reconsidering other fan favorites from this gen like God of War or Nier Automata and considering giving them a shot.

This post doesn’t even come close to how much I’m feeling this game. It’s everything I loved about niche jrpgs but with a bigger budget.

Might be a game of the generation contender. We’ll see.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 04, 2019, 02:58:27 AM
I’d say the dark souls games are more rpg with their builds and loot, I’d say Bloodborne is a bit more narrative focused and action game focused.

But yeah Sekiro is all that even more so Bloodborne basically sits halfway between Dark Souls & Sekiro.

I do agree that I wish Sekiro had the online stuff. Both for the ambient stuff like ghosts and comments and because it’s nice being able to get help. There’s one boss in Bloodborne that I couldn’t beat solo (pretty sure was optional anyhow) but playing coop I was able to beat it and I wish I could do that for some Sekiro bosses.

Also Nier Automata is definitely worth a play even if I feel it’s a little overrated and I like the first Nier game better. Haven’t gotten to God of War yet.
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Post by: Himu on May 04, 2019, 03:03:02 AM
I tried nier automata demo and thought it sucked
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 04, 2019, 03:19:21 AM
Hotline Miami is the shit....  Didn't care for the 2nd one much at all.  :-\

It was alright, but the levels werent as tight as the first one.
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Post by: Himu on May 04, 2019, 03:21:19 AM
What’s the appeal of hotline miami
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Post by: Bebpo on May 04, 2019, 03:33:17 AM
It plays like a super meat boy/Celeste 10 seconds of perfection runs at a time &  tons of painless deaths, but overhead view and stealth action gameplay. The first one is super great, yeah. Has David Lynch feel. Oh and the soundtrack is awesome.
 
I tried nier automata demo and thought it sucked

Full game is way better. Some neat bits, story is interesting, but bland small overworld and a lot of repetition. Give the full game a shot at some point, if you aren’t feeling it by the amusement park, bail.
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Post by: Himu on May 04, 2019, 03:42:38 AM
I liked the first nier’s story wayyy more than its gameplay
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 04, 2019, 03:57:43 AM
What’s the appeal of hotline miami

The music, the fast paced action and the on the fly decision making.

Collectible masks in the levels changing the way you get through a level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3NA8cRn2l8
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Post by: Don Rumata on May 04, 2019, 04:08:51 AM
Nier Automata had some amazing highs, but too many bland, boring moments.
Story was cool, if you can stomach that anime over dramatic philosophy, i don't think it does a lot with the characters though.

TBH it would've worked much better as a straight up linear action game (or even linear action rpg) instead of this faux open world.
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Post by: Don Rumata on May 04, 2019, 04:30:11 AM
PC-based gamer here: God of War is poop.  :doge
It was poop in the Jaffe incarnation, and is even more poop now.

Oh please, ask me to carry another crystal at snail's pace for 5 miles!
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 04, 2019, 04:37:39 AM
I fell down some hole, killer frogs all around, got cursed and died

 :doge
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 04, 2019, 05:26:22 AM
Oh please, ask me to carry another crystal at snail's pace for 5 miles!

It's actually good game design cause they foreshadow it by making you carry the log up a road at the start of the game. /s
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Post by: paprikastaude on May 04, 2019, 08:11:41 AM
There is a bunch of haters here (Xbox, PC based) but do not mind them.

:goldberg weak

GoW was the first game to make me scream 2-3 times solely because its shitty handholding and exposition wouldn't stop. The unintrusive sidecontent without the hamfisted narrative saved it from being bad.

great singleplayer games this gen: Bloodborne, Doom, Cuphead, Sonic Mania, Bayonetta 2, Resident Evil 7/2, Virtue's Last Reward, Astrobot, Monster Hunter World, Colossus remake, Yakuza 0,...
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Post by: Himu on May 04, 2019, 08:49:11 AM
Handholding.

*Nam flashbacks*
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Post by: Himu on May 04, 2019, 11:17:05 AM
This game is so amazing. I can’t stop gushing. Amass 10k blood echo. Far from safety. Do I keep going because I feel a shortcut incoming or do I retreat while I’m still intact? That dungeon crawl decision making. :lawd Luckily my instincts were right and I got a shortcut!

Hunters with machine guns :lawd


Slowly walking on broken ceiling pillars carefully navigating deep multi-tiered labyrinths :lawd


Massive blood splatters on the ground forcing you to question,”who or what did THAT?” :lawd

Unf!!!
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Post by: bork on May 04, 2019, 11:51:36 AM
What’s the appeal of hotline miami

The music, the fast paced action and the on the fly decision making.

Collectible masks in the levels changing the way you get through a level.


Amazing game.  I didn't like the sequel as much, but it's still very much worth playing.

You should definitely check out Katana Zero- it's like a side-scrolling Hotline Miami with a sword.
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Post by: Himu on May 04, 2019, 11:53:29 AM
This game!!!

The horror in Old Yarnham is so good!! I can’t believe it gets better!
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Post by: Himu on May 04, 2019, 12:43:51 PM
Almost beat Blood Demon on first try. I had a summon though. I didn’t know the purple thing was a summon because I clicked x too fast to read it. I definitely won’t be summoning in the future.
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Post by: Himu on May 04, 2019, 01:07:10 PM
Somehow, some way, Sekiro and Bloodborne have converted me to Soulsborne. Ordering Dark Souls Trilogy for PS4 when I can. Steelbox! :lawd

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Post by: bork on May 04, 2019, 01:29:31 PM
Somehow, some way, Sekiro and Bloodborne have converted me to Soulsborne. Ordering Dark Souls Trilogy for PS4 when I can. Steelbox! :lawd

What about Nioh?
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Post by: Himu on May 04, 2019, 05:22:56 PM
Plz no spoil
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Post by: Himu on May 04, 2019, 11:44:20 PM
Tried Blood Starved Beast again. Second try and got him halfway. Very easy until his attacks inflict poison and he has that fucking combo. Might want to not want to even evade that combo. It uses so much forward space it’s hard to roll out of. Going to see if I can bait it and then punish.
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Post by: Himu on May 05, 2019, 12:42:25 AM
Damn. This boss is hard as shit.

Father G and Cleric Beast are easy af. Took them out on second or third try and first try respectively. Blood Starved Beast second form is a total bitch.
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Post by: Himu on May 05, 2019, 12:53:33 AM
Ah. I see. This boss is easy. :ohhh
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Post by: Himu on May 05, 2019, 01:30:06 AM
Beat him.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 05, 2019, 02:06:48 AM
Fuck grind 5k souls to cure curse
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Post by: naff on May 05, 2019, 02:13:47 AM
Fuck grind 5k souls to cure curse

3k from dude at the base of the first bell tower after you beat gargs. those bitch made frogs wouldn't have stood a chance at cursing your ass if you had artorias's sword :trumps  :hitler
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Post by: chronovore on May 05, 2019, 02:30:25 AM
I'll try Bloodborne once I get back to Tokyo and re-setup my PS4. I started it and played for like 40 minutes, but I was not enjoying the Dark Souls trauma feelings caused by the tissue-paper weight corpses being kicked around the scene when I moved.

Someone mentioned it's kind of mythos-inspired/lovecraftian, so I'm going to give it another go.
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Post by: Svejk on May 05, 2019, 09:32:09 AM
Beat Vordt of Boreal last night... Baby steps. Getting back what DS2 legs I  established. Made it past the 2nd primal bonfire in it, but dropped it for reasons.
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Post by: bork on May 05, 2019, 12:05:57 PM
Somehow, some way, Sekiro and Bloodborne have converted me to Soulsborne. Ordering Dark Souls Trilogy for PS4 when I can. Steelbox! :lawd

What about Nioh?

 :whatsthedeal
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Post by: Himu on May 05, 2019, 12:13:22 PM
I'll get to it eventually.
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Post by: Raist on May 05, 2019, 02:32:13 PM
Nioh sucks ass.
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Post by: Svejk on May 05, 2019, 02:48:22 PM
Keep it up Svejk! DS3 is in my opinion the best Dark Souls game. Most varied, most polished, most confident. Gives you a lot in return.
Definitely have enjoyed it A LOT more than DS2 so far.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 05, 2019, 04:56:49 PM
DS3 is objectively a lot better than DS2.

Plus it helps that it looks a lot nicer than DS1/2.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 05, 2019, 05:04:31 PM
I'll try Bloodborne once I get back to Tokyo and re-setup my PS4. I started it and played for like 40 minutes, but I was not enjoying the Dark Souls trauma feelings caused by the tissue-paper weight corpses being kicked around the scene when I moved.

Someone mentioned it's kind of mythos-inspired/lovecraftian, so I'm going to give it another go.

I'm bummed that I don't think Bloodborne is your kinda game from a gameplay experience and you probably wouldn't like it enough to stick with it.
But from a story/atmosphere perspective I think you'd love Bloodborne. It's pretty much the best Lovecraftian game ever.

Maybe watch a video playthrough like a movie and then read the Pale Blood Hunt essay on the story?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JL5acskAT_2t062HILImBkV8eXAwaqOj611mSjK-vZ8/edit
Cindy do not read the above link until you've finished the game. VERY VERY SPOILERISH FROM THE START.
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Post by: naff on May 05, 2019, 05:10:10 PM
I spent too much time tryna figure out how to get all the crystal lizards in the great hollow. Got stuck in a wall and cursed by da frogs  :lol

only managed to get 3 of those lizard fucks  :ltg

Almost a fun puzzle, but the lizards disappear too fast and seem to be slightly random whether they appear or not between runs?
Title: Re: Cindi and Lager play Soulsborne series. Please help us enjoy them more.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 06, 2019, 12:31:27 AM
Ill grab some screens today Borys, I'm in Blighttown now.
Title: Re: Cindi and Lager play Soulsborne series. Please help us enjoy them more.
Post by: naff on May 06, 2019, 01:37:02 AM
split damage sucks even more than i thought in ds1. tested a longsword which gave 200 AR with right hand next to artorias longsword which gave ~220 AR. status shows a blue "this weapon makes u stronger" improvement, but the damage output was between 60 and 90% better with the regular longsword depending on enemies at a lower overall AR than with Artorias's  :doge

the r1 looks exactly the same, same speed etc. still a dece weapon for cruising through the catacombs early and other early areas (pretty average by sens fortress), got a +10 longsword and the uchi now tho. just got to anor londo, need to grab that sunlight blade.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 06, 2019, 03:26:36 AM
(http://i.ibb.co/YTxyKfg/IMG-20190506-090420.jpg)
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Post by: Himu on May 06, 2019, 03:46:10 AM
UN.

SEEN.

VILLAGE.

(https://i.imgur.com/tPwnXwa.gif)

This game, man.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 06, 2019, 04:28:24 AM
UN.

SEEN.

VILLAGE.

(https://i.imgur.com/tPwnXwa.gif)

This game, man.

Oh man, you’re past Rom  :o
Title: Re: Cindi and Lager play Soulsborne series. Please help us enjoy them more.
Post by: Himu on May 06, 2019, 05:00:36 AM
Can’t sleep. Who tf is Rom? Died against this dude that looks like death, woke up in another world, game became silent hill 2 psychological horror shit
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Post by: Bebpo on May 06, 2019, 05:16:08 AM
Ok, nvm you’re not as far as I thought. Yeah, unseen village is cool.
Title: Re: Cindi and Lager play Soulsborne series. Please help us enjoy them more.
Post by: naff on May 06, 2019, 05:44:02 AM
please keep the bb spoilers low key. i'm borrowing it off a friend to play next week, and i've avoided any critical spoilers up 'til now. just played the first few hrs up to father g and a little further on.
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Post by: porkbun on May 06, 2019, 11:17:55 AM
Fuck grind 5k souls to cure curse

Concern about 5000 souls

 :betty


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Post by: Himu on May 06, 2019, 12:15:38 PM
Yo! SEKIRO!

...

Yokatta da neeee

(https://i.imgur.com/iWchJDE.gif)

BLOODBORNE GAME OF THE GENERATION!!! :rejoice
Title: Re: Cindi and Lager play Soulsborne series. Please help us enjoy them more.
Post by: Himu on May 06, 2019, 12:15:59 PM
Fuck grind 5k souls to cure curse

Concern about 5000 souls

 :betty

Cashed in 40k souls last night in BB.
Title: Re: Cindi and Lager play Soulsborne series. Please help us enjoy them more.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 06, 2019, 12:19:54 PM
Fuck grind 5k souls to cure curse

Concern about 5000 souls

 :betty

Soul shaming

Wow

Mods help

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moss lady wanted 6k in the end
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Title: Re: Cindi and Lager play Soulsborne series. Please help us enjoy them more.
Post by: Don Rumata on May 06, 2019, 12:39:34 PM
New Londo Ruins guy cures you for less, no? May be wrong.

Anyway started DkS1 as well, and sped through the game (relatively) fast, already rang both bells.
Lol i killed Taurus without plunging, with like, one combo.

Almost dropped the game back 2011, because i couldn't get past him.
Title: Re: Cindi and Lager play Soulsborne series. Please help us enjoy them more.
Post by: Svejk on May 06, 2019, 01:05:45 PM
If I can actually finish DSIII miraculously, I'll definitely jump on BB next. 
Title: Re: Cindi and Lager play Soulsborne series. Please help us enjoy them more.
Post by: Himu on May 06, 2019, 01:33:47 PM
I’ll beat the Vicar tonight. Doesn’t seem too bad in my test run.

Been exploring so much. Finding a woods, a room with an invisible enemy, the unseen village. Shit gone loco. So many choices, so much to do.
Title: Re: Cindi and Lager play Soulsborne series. Please help us enjoy them more.
Post by: Himu on May 06, 2019, 02:08:02 PM
please keep the bb spoilers low key. i'm borrowing it off a friend to play next week, and i've avoided any critical spoilers up 'til now. just played the first few hrs up to father g and a little further on.

what in the fuck. you been in this thread knowing i was going through bb and didn't mention you never played it? God dammit. I'll use spoilers from now on.
Title: Re: Cindi and Lager play Soulsborne series. Please help us enjoy them more.
Post by: Himu on May 06, 2019, 03:18:56 PM
Surprised people complain about Bloodborne’s community. In my experience they’ve been very respectful and even sweet. Very supportive community.
You probably weren't around the "i just played Bloodborne and i can't enjoy any other game" obnoxious parade.
Especially when it came to the "Witcher 3 vs Bloodborne" threads/posts (which incidentally doubled as a Playstation vs Xbox ones, because Witcher was more tied to MS in marketing terms).
FROM fans are generally insufferable, and Bloodborne is their Jesus Christ, the fact that it's also Sony exclusive makes it all the more succulent.

I mean, Bloodborne is so good that I kinda get it. I really don't judge them. I think the game is good enough to warrant that kind of reaction.
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Post by: naff on May 06, 2019, 06:32:58 PM
please keep the bb spoilers low key. i'm borrowing it off a friend to play next week, and i've avoided any critical spoilers up 'til now. just played the first few hrs up to father g and a little further on.

what in the fuck. you been in this thread knowing i was going through bb and didn't mention you never played it? God dammit. I'll use spoilers from now on.

 :lol

I wasn't that concerned about playing it when y'all first started, two friends who's gaming loves are soulsbornes constantly rave about it as the goat soulsborne, the reason to own ps etc. I've been all  ::) I'll wait til it gets a pc port or i can emulate PS4 in 2025 or something. But when i started playing DS1 after DS3 they were all why are you replaying that when you haven't played Sekiro or BB? ('cause it's the GOAT biaaatch) So they convinced me to borrow it and ps4. Can prob whip through ds1 in the next few days.

Currently juggling full time work and finishing my BSc, why not marathon Soulsbornes and start an mmo for the first time as well? (ffxiv being put on hold unfort) Have a lot of little bits of time to randomly jam games since i'm constantly in front of computers. Particularly enjoying ds1 as a return to a familiar world and i can cruise through on previously hard learnt lessons but still challenged enough it's engaging. Something that was so initially challenging now feeling relatively trivial is quite energising as a break from academic and work tasks.
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Post by: Don Rumata on May 06, 2019, 06:52:42 PM
Surprised people complain about Bloodborne’s community. In my experience they’ve been very respectful and even sweet. Very supportive community.
You probably weren't around the "i just played Bloodborne and i can't enjoy any other game" obnoxious parade.
Especially when it came to the "Witcher 3 vs Bloodborne" threads/posts (which incidentally doubled as a Playstation vs Xbox ones, because Witcher was more tied to MS in marketing terms).
FROM fans are generally insufferable, and Bloodborne is their Jesus Christ, the fact that it's also Sony exclusive makes it all the more succulent.

I mean, Bloodborne is so good that I kinda get it. I really don't judge them. I think the game is good enough to warrant that kind of reaction.
Nah.
It's good, but it's just people being hyperbolic as usual.
Combat in BB isn't even particularly good, it's basically Souls' but sped up a bit and made stamina less restricting/impactful.
The visual design is great tho.
Title: Re: Cindi and Lager play Soulsborne series. Please help us enjoy them more.
Post by: Bebpo on May 06, 2019, 07:05:08 PM
Surprised people complain about Bloodborne’s community. In my experience they’ve been very respectful and even sweet. Very supportive community.
You probably weren't around the "i just played Bloodborne and i can't enjoy any other game" obnoxious parade.
Especially when it came to the "Witcher 3 vs Bloodborne" threads/posts (which incidentally doubled as a Playstation vs Xbox ones, because Witcher was more tied to MS in marketing terms).
FROM fans are generally insufferable, and Bloodborne is their Jesus Christ, the fact that it's also Sony exclusive makes it all the more succulent.

I mean, Bloodborne is so good that I kinda get it. I really don't judge them. I think the game is good enough to warrant that kind of reaction.
Nah.
It's good, but it's just people being hyperbolic as usual.
Combat in BB isn't even particularly good, it's basically Souls' but sped up a bit and made stamina less restricting/impactful.
The visual design is great tho.

That's basically calling all combat in Souls games outside Sekiro bad and I'd disagree pretty hard on it. It's different and less tight than a good character action game, but there's a lot of variety and really good enemy/boss patterns throughout all the Souls/BB games. In Dark Souls it's cool finding a new weapon and checking out it's like 2-3 moves and learning how to use the range and speed of them on enemies/bosses.

I mean there was a thread on Era about whether Sekiro actually has good combat or not since it's basically just a slash, slash, slash game while hitting block when the enemy attacks or jump/dodge for the red moves and repeat the whole game and would people even want a Sekiro 2 if it's the same thing since it's kind of a one-trick pony combat system. People were saying Nioh has way more deep combat Ninja Gaiden style. My answer to Sekiro is the same answer as Bloodborne/DS, the combat is limited to a few moves, but the way you learn the enemy/boss patterns and work around them with what you have is where the combat depth is and I think it's pretty good from Demon Souls -> Sekiro.

Also Bloodborne has some excellent level design and level design is a big part of why these games are good.
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Post by: Don Rumata on May 06, 2019, 07:34:00 PM
That's basically calling all combat in Souls games outside Sekiro bad
Calling something "not particularly good" isn't the same as calling it "bad".  ???
I think the combat in BB (and souls) is pretty good, just not outstanding.
Demon's and Dark 1 had the most interesting one, because of the unique mechanics and slow pace they had, despite being somewhat clunky, but then they back pedaled on those more and more.
Doesn't make it bad though.
Taken as a whole, BB is surely a great game, and the best FROM title yet, but even then, i roll my eyes at people saying it "ruined gaming for them" or similar bullshit.

BTW i don't think Sekiro has a "great" combat system either, it's super fun and incredibly satisfying, but feels very shallow after you get the hang of it.
Haven't played Nioh, so i can't comment on that.
Title: Re: Cindi and Lager play Soulsborne series. Please help us enjoy them more.
Post by: naff on May 06, 2019, 07:43:26 PM
Taken as a whole, BB is surely a great game, and the best FROM title yet, but even then, i roll my eyes at people saying it "ruined gaming for them" or similar bullshit.

I found it so eye rolling when the friends i referenced above suddenly felt emboldened to speak on game mechanics and the validity of entire genres (all other rpg's are shit now) 'cause they'd played a couple souls games. Er, try playing some other action rpgs that aren't the witcher 3 or skyrim. But they'll happily zone out in dumb fuck shlooters  ::) I'm over it now but The Witcher 3 vs. Soulsborne debates were the dumbest shit.

Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: paprikastaude on May 06, 2019, 07:50:26 PM
Bloodborne has some of the best level- and exploration design plus atmosphere since like Super Metroid. So, similar to the latter, less-than-excellent combat doesn't even matter.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 06, 2019, 08:00:31 PM
I think the combat is fun as shit. Easy to kill, but easy to be killed. The combat certainly counts as good. Maybe not excellent - after all it’s not fucking Ninja Gaiden or something - but saying it’s not at least good makes little sense to me but whatever. I don’t want to debate what I consider good combat to be.

And yes, Sekiro has great combat. The problem is the encounter design and lack of variety, not the combat. Genichiro is fantastic boss design and shows the full potential of the combat. Just because the game doesn’t fully take advantage of it doesn’t mean the combat isn’t up there. I’d be dead pressed to name a game with better combat this decade. Maybe Bayonetta 2, but I haven’t played it. Either way, it definitely reaches the top of the list. DMCV might be up there, I don’t know. But DMC tends to be a combo fest more than actual encounters.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 06, 2019, 08:07:11 PM
Bloodborne has some of the best level- and exploration design plus atmosphere since like Super Metroid. So, similar to the latter, less-than-excellent combat doesn't even matter.
I agree, the game overall is great, just for other reasons.
(art direction being a big one)

I think the combat is fun as shit. Easy to kill, but easy to be killed. The combat certainly counts as good. Maybe not excellent - after all it’s not fucking Ninja Gaiden or something - but saying it’s not at least good makes little sense to me but whatever. I don’t want to debate what I consider good combat to be.
Thankfully nobody said that.  ;)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 06, 2019, 08:08:28 PM
You said not particularly good, while also saying it’s not bad, which puts it between - average. Bloodborne’s combat, average? Nah.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 06, 2019, 09:33:00 PM
Taken as a whole, BB is surely a great game, and the best FROM title yet, but even then, i roll my eyes at people saying it "ruined gaming for them" or similar bullshit.

I found it so eye rolling when the friends i referenced above suddenly felt emboldened to speak on game mechanics and the validity of entire genres (all other rpg's are shit now) 'cause they'd played a couple souls games. Er, try playing some other action rpgs that aren't the witcher 3 or skyrim. But they'll happily zone out in dumb fuck shlooters  ::) I'm over it now but The Witcher 3 vs. Soulsborne debates were the dumbest shit.

Yeah, I mean Bloodborne didn't make other games hard to play or anything. It was just a really good Souls-Lovecraft-fest, which is right up my alley.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 06, 2019, 10:23:33 PM
Vicar Amelia is a shit boss fight. Feel like I'm fighting the camera more than her. Covering up her entire ass with fur that covers the screen wasn't a good idea, From. You assholes.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 06, 2019, 10:54:20 PM
Idk, I love that fight. Re-watched a run of it last night after you said you got to it.
Those screamsssss.

She’s tough because she hits hard and large radius and doesn’t take a lot of damage unless you’re hitting the weak spot to stagger her often.

But yeah, she big so she covers the camera a lot and makes it harder to read her.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 06, 2019, 11:12:21 PM
I learned that she's best fought in mid range. She's easy to dodge and has such good reach that taking her from the back in pointless. It also makes it hard to get the visceral attack on her. With a paper fire and staying out of her range I kicked her ass. Frightening design though.
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Post by: chronovore on May 07, 2019, 12:46:02 AM
Ill grab some screens today Borys, I'm in Blighttown now.
Blighttown. Jesus, that was the first time I ragequit the game.
Title: Re: Cindi and Lager play Soulsborne series. Please help us enjoy them more.
Post by: Bebpo on May 07, 2019, 01:38:07 AM
Ill grab some screens today Borys, I'm in Blighttown now.
Blighttown. Jesus, that was the first time I ragequit the game.

I think that was the first time the ps3 ragequit the game too with that framerate.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 07, 2019, 04:14:59 AM
Killed that bitch witch on 3rd try, not too hard

Framerate is solid in Blighttown on Switch (handheld)

Still frustrating area with falls, poison, water, darkness, toxin  :-X
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 07, 2019, 05:54:26 AM
You said not particularly good, while also saying it’s not bad, which puts it between - average. Bloodborne’s combat, average? Nah.
It's above average, just not particularly so.
We can spend our time better than to argue about semantics, but the gist of it is, i don't think it's an element of the game that elevates it above the rest of the landscape, let alone genre.
In other words, if it wasn't for the amazing art direction and world design, it wouldn't be the combat to make it one of the best games around.

On the other hand you take something like Ninja Gaiden, or even Bayonetta, and even with their questionable art direction (i mean, i kind like Bayonetta's, but that's another story) their combat is enough to carry them.

The one really peculiar mechanic in BB is the health regain, in my opinion, though most of the time is not worth it to expose yourself, given the small regain, compared to the massive damage taken.
The parry system with guns (which i find more confusing than a regular parry system tbh).
The weapon trick system is basically a stance system (which again, it's cool, but incredibly simple compared to action games with actual move sets), everything else is Souls, sped-up and simplified.

The one thing i really like compared to Souls, is the nerfed back stab, because i'm playing DkS1, and it's almost impossible to justify the use of anything but.

What set Souls game apart, especially Demon's and Dark 1, was the slow, deliberate animations (that you couldn't cancel out of), the brutal management of stamina, the extensive use of shields (that pushed for an even slower approach) and the limited moveset per weapon, interacting with the claustrophobic level design (i.e.: If you were in a tight sewer, a thrust weapon was preferred to one with swipe attacks, and you couldn't have every type of attack with every weapon) - these things were almost all nerfed (if not outright nullified) in their subsequent games, to turn them into more classic action games, where you use a dodge's i-frames to avoid any attack, but they carried with them that inherent simplicity (or designed shallowness) past Souls games had in terms of raw combat system, with a limited move-set, limited defensive options, but designed in tandem with the many builds you could usually do (though in BB they are restricted and feel more same-y).

Again, i never argued BB is anything less than a great game, and never said its combat is in any way "bad", it's satisfying and looks cool, which is more than you can ask out of most ARPGs, but i just don't think it goes anywhere beyond that.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also fuck, fuck, fuck playing an "action game" at 30fps with that level of input lag.  :doge
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Finally, while Sekiro shares some problems with the lack of depth and variety in my opinion, it's such a different beast, that i'm not even gonna address it here. I do think it's got a lot of potential though, i think the posture system is their best combat design idea since Dark 1, and would love to see it worked on, in a sequel.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: El Babua on May 07, 2019, 07:25:52 AM
I agree that the mechanics in all of the Souls/Blood/Sekiro games aren't really that deep. But it's the level design and atmosphere that puts these games over the top IMO.

I would say both Bloodborne and Demon's Souls are the best games FROM has made during their run. Dark Souls 1 fell off a crater after the first half, DS2 is DS2. DS3 is really good, but literally only had one, maybe two moments where I said "wow"

Sekiro is really good too. Enjoying all the ninja and stealth shit, and I'm liking the level design as well. The world itself is very well realized, but I think they could have halved the frequency of rest idols. Haven't beat it yet so no final judgement.

But yeah, both Demon's Souls and Bloodborne realized in their vision, or at least didn't feel compromised like the Dark Souls games for one reason or another.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 07, 2019, 04:38:13 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hemwick Witch
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easy as shit but fun af.

Made it to Forbidden Woods after getting home from work.  According to IGN walkthrough that makes me halfway through the game? :tocry
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: El Babua on May 07, 2019, 06:08:19 PM
From beginning to end, Forbidden Woods might just be the best FROM level ever :rejoice
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 07, 2019, 07:20:44 PM
I like that part, yeah. Nice and creepy.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 07, 2019, 10:05:57 PM
I managed to not die once in the Forbidden Woods so far besides the initial trap at the beginning. That trap was a massive lesson.

It is incredible.

There was a lonnnnnnng path to the shortcut door and some how my caution and trepidation set off by the initial trap forced me to play my absolute best. When I encountered a snake monster, I was carrying 54k blood. I didn't want to take any chances. I used a thunder paper, went into beast mode which i normally save for bosses, and threw a molotov. I killed the fucker in seconds.

I've formed a covenant and now I'm home free with 55k blood in my pocket.

I've played the entirety of tonight's session in the dark while it's raining and storming outside. I havne't played a horror rpg this good, EVER. A+ shit. Bloodborne might crack my top 10 or 20 if it keeps this up. I like it THAT MUCH.

Forbidden Woods design is nothing short of incredible.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 07, 2019, 10:25:55 PM
Also I've tried other weapons for the first time in the game. I tried threaded cane and it's really cool! It's like one of those gundam whips. Or one of those whips Ivy uses in Soul Calibur. I'm interested in buying other weapons and just experimenting with them now that I'm carrying this much cash.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 07, 2019, 11:03:34 PM
*throws self to the wolves*

This game, man.

GODLIKE.

edit: found a Hunter's Nightmare.

Apparently missed some popular character called Eileen.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2019, 12:31:13 AM
AXE :rejoice
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: El Babua on May 08, 2019, 01:06:30 AM
Hunter's Nightmare info (not really spoilers but I'll be careful)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's the DLC area. I'd recommend saving it until the endgame unless you're really gud
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Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 08, 2019, 01:25:10 AM
Hmmmmmm, well DLC is better as a endgame challenge but if you leave it for endgame you might be overleveled for it.

I still think saving Hunter’s Nightmare aka the expansion for NG+ is a good option, it’s final boss is harder than the main game final boss because it came after and it’s the final challenge. Might make the main game stuff feel a step down going back. You can get back there pretty quick.

For 2ndary weapons I liked the big slow but powerful hammer. Got me through some mid-game enemies but saw was still best for bosses.

And yeah part of why BB rocks is the horror rpg genre is incredibly sparse with stuff like Shadow Hearts and Planescape, Corpse Party (haven’t played the latter two). BB fills a much needed spot for horror fans.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 08, 2019, 06:06:33 AM
Went past Anal Rondo in DkS1, O&S being a cake walk (everything but Skeleton Wheel was, tbh), lol back in the day they felt so impossible.

Was doing the painted world, but after the 4th "stuck at bon-fire" bug (only option it to alt+F4) i got pissed off and just uninstalled both that and DkS3.
Should spend my time in better ways than to replay old Souls games for the nth time, anyway.

I'll just say though, DkS1 is piss easy by comparison, but also incredibly janky, Cindi you'll have a rough time going from BB to it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 08, 2019, 07:32:16 AM
What is the connection between a bonfire bug in DS1 and you uninstalling DS3? I am missing it.
None, just used it as an excuse to uninstall it, because as long as i have it there, i'll keep checking in, and i have other games i should be finishing instead.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 08, 2019, 10:33:13 AM
Why won't u post here B? :(

I want a Zelda Souls spin off instead of sci fi, but Ilæ take somw Event Horizon take too.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2019, 12:05:34 PM
Holy fuck. Took a path in Forbidden Woods to the nurses clinic o_o
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 09, 2019, 06:45:04 AM
Shadows of Yharnam easy as shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5uXJo5pL7I

Fantastic fight tho
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 09, 2019, 12:40:33 PM
Nice job, but I don't like that fight. Multiple enemies in souls games/sekiro is just like lots of running.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 09, 2019, 01:16:33 PM
Nice job, but I don't like that fight. Multiple enemies in souls games/sekiro is just like lots of running.
That combat system doesn't handle crowds well, and is mostly good for 1 on 1 fights, however that are crowd fights that are at least satisfying to chew through (Deacons from DkS3, for example).
SoY is a similar deal, though slightly more intense.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 09, 2019, 01:20:09 PM
I thought that fight was fine as well as its camera. I learned quickly in the first attempt not to lock on to anyone.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2019, 12:16:54 AM
Bloodborne continues its march towards my top 20. Took out Paarl (easy), did my first chalice dungeon.

I agree with Borys. Some find the Diablo formula to be crack but I am finding this to be as addictive and even more so. It has everything I like about RPGs.

Very close to ordering the Dark Souls trilogy. I really want to replay Bloodborne before doing DkS1. Unlike Sekiro where I have zero desire to replay it I could see myself replay Bloodborne 5-6 times this year. It’s that kind for me and it’s been enough to make me not play a single fighting game since I got it.

Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2019, 01:15:05 AM
I might platinum this. Will be my first plat since Uncharted 2.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 10, 2019, 01:30:07 AM
Bloodborne continues its march towards my top 20. Took out Paarl (easy), did my first chalice dungeon.

I agree with Borys. Some find the Diablo formula to be crack but I am finding this to be as addictive and even more so. It has everything I like about RPGs.

Very close to ordering the Dark Souls trilogy. I really want to replay Bloodborne before doing DkS1. Unlike Sekiro where I have zero desire to replay it I could see myself replay Bloodborne 5-6 times this year. It’s that kind for me and it’s been enough to make me not play a single fighting game since I got it.

I pretty much 100%'d Bloodborne but I didn't touch the Chalice dungeons. Like I tried them for an hour or two and realized this was just a little randomly generated rogue dungeon rpg mini-game that's completely separate from the well crafted fully complete main campaign & dlc. It's cute and the only thing that makes it worth playing the chalice dungeons maybe are there are a couple original bosses they in there as super bosses but to get to them you have to grind tons of boring as shit randomly generated stuff. You can tell it was a test bed idea but it's not really fleshed out and not very good imo.

I'd recommend not bothering with chalice dungeons until you're done with the game and then you can play them until you get bored/sick of them. I don't even count them in my view of the game, it's a bonus extra mode.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2019, 01:36:34 AM
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I pretty much 100%'d Bloodborne but I didn't touch the Chalice dungeons. Like I tried them for an hour or two and realized this was just a little randomly generated rogue dungeon rpg mini-game that's completely separate from the well crafted fully complete main campaign & dlc.

Uhhhh yeah, that’s why I like it. It’s like Amala Labyrinth in SMT3. If anything, I hope the chalice dungeons get more hardcore. The formula fits well with Rogue-esque gameplay. If anything this enhances it. If only you had to do chalices in one go. That’d be amazing.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 10, 2019, 02:21:49 AM
Hey more power to you if you like it.

I just prefer the masterly crafted level design and pacing & story of the main game, so Bloodborne as a rogue wasn’t really for me.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 10, 2019, 02:24:33 AM
Just like don’t get burnt out on the side distraction of the Chalice dungeons. You’re just about at the point where BB’s story/atmosphere gets interesting. Well more interesting.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Raist on May 10, 2019, 02:42:21 AM
I might platinum this. Will be my first plat since Uncharted 2.

Good luck :teehee
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 10, 2019, 05:46:20 AM
@Cindi

I think Souls games scratch that Diablo 1 itch where its you going deeper and deeper into hell and surviving, being catious, sometimes rewarded with loot.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2019, 02:33:41 PM
I beat Rom this morning. Idk what else to do besides do Nightmare Frontier?

TBH that white hunter was harder than all the previous bosses since Amalia put together.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 10, 2019, 02:56:18 PM
I might platinum this. Will be my first plat since Uncharted 2.

Good luck :teehee
BB is not that hard to platinum.
It's the only platinum i have outside of Spiderman (and i did neither intentionally).
Chalice Fire Doggo is the only real hurdle, i'd say, once you finish the game.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2019, 07:30:17 PM
I beat a fire hound already. Was that it?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 10, 2019, 08:44:23 PM
I beat a fire hound already. Was that it?
Did you have half health? If not, no.
Though the boss itself is the same.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2019, 09:00:11 PM
Yahar’gul so tough :o

I beat a fire hound already. Was that it?
Did you have half health? If not, no.
Though the boss itself is the same.

Oooooo that sounds dope
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2019, 10:42:23 PM
Yahar'gul da GAWD

(https://i.imgur.com/iC8Erff.gif)

This is what I'm TALKING ABOUT. It gets better and the better the more you traverse. That's what I'm talking about! Hardcore dungeon crawl shit.

*licks teeth*
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: shosta on May 10, 2019, 11:09:25 PM
yahar gul is terrifying. The second you kill Rom the game just stays at peak horror for the rest of the experience.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 11, 2019, 01:09:51 AM
I wandered into somw area with ghosts that I cant kill, I shouldn't be here.

I also did some soul grinding trick in Darkroot Basin, got like 20 levels in 2 hours  8)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 11, 2019, 02:03:27 AM
putting the story of this game together is something else. I have my ideas but i have no idea if they're valid.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: shosta on May 11, 2019, 02:09:59 AM
The "community" has tried but I personally doubt that their consensus is even right. The same thing goes for a lot of Dark Souls stuff, but Bloodborne really takes the cake for cryptic storytelling. It's both maddening and perfectly fine that it's inscrutable.

There's a whole cottage industry for nerding out about item descriptions. It's fun for some people, and a total waste of time for bork.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 11, 2019, 02:26:49 AM
Nah, I think The Pale Blood thing is pretty spot on. Like I'm not 100% sure about The Old Hunters stuff but I think they nailed the main game like 99% accurate of what the plot is. Shosta if you haven't read that whole thing, go back a page and sit down for a night and read through that from start to finish. So good.

I feel like Bloodborne has the most clear and fleshed out plot of any of the souls games, one of the reasons I enjoy it the most. Dark Souls 1 is probably 2nd for that.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 11, 2019, 02:27:23 AM
I'm amazed how much has changed, for the better. Back in the day I was REALLY huge on dungeon crawlers with "light" yet heavily thematic stories like the Shin Megami Tensei series. People on gaf back in 2005 and on would debate with me saying,"SMT Nocturne has no story" which infuriated me because these FInal Fantasy knob slobbers assumed a game had no story unless it threw it in your face with endless cutscenes. Games like that which had limited cutscenes, and told their stories mostly through visual design, npc interaction, lore, themes, symbolism, ideas were considered "lacking story".

Fast forward ten years later.

People slobber all over a game franchise that does just this. Even those same gaffers from a long time ago.

Thank God people fucking evolved.

For the record, in my opinion, this very Japanese style minimalist storytelling you see in classic SMT games and other dungeon crawlers, Souls games, stuff like ICO/SoTC, Silent Hill 2;etc. is imo, how games are best presenting stories unique to the game medium because they're so highly visual and rely on interaction with the world to understand them and see their fruit.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 11, 2019, 02:28:55 AM
Yeah I agree that subtle is better. Sure beats all those jrpgs where there are 10 minute talks repeating the same story points over and over again (cough*cough*Tales)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 11, 2019, 02:32:45 AM
Yeah I agree that subtle is better. Sure beats all those jrpgs where there are 10 minute talks repeating the same story points over and over again (cough*cough*Tales)

*cough* neo persona *cough*
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 11, 2019, 03:23:27 AM
There is some great vids on the bloodborne story

People piecing this stuff together are geniuses
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: shosta on May 11, 2019, 03:36:05 AM
Nah, I think The Pale Blood thing is pretty spot on. Like I'm not 100% sure about The Old Hunters stuff but I think they nailed the main game like 99% accurate of what the plot is. Shosta if you haven't read that whole thing, go back a page and sit down for a night and read through that from start to finish. So good.

I feel like Bloodborne has the most clear and fleshed out plot of any of the souls games, one of the reasons I enjoy it the most. Dark Souls 1 is probably 2nd for that.
Ok I started reading this and
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Bloodborne, like Demon’s Souls before it, doesn’t have the answers to be solved within the game itself. There’s no dialogue or item description which can provide the player with that crucial piece of information that explains everything. There’s no brilliant detective who can explain it for someone in a condensed manner. Bloodborne is a book where half of the words can’t be understood, and the reader must fill in the blanks on their own.

When I first wrote The Paleblood Hunt, I wrote that there was a singular truth we could discover. Seven months later, having read so many different interpretations and discussion on the game’s story, having discussed the plot with so many
different people, I can only now see how absurd that the idea of a singular story had been. There is no answer to Bloodborne’s story. Bloodborne is a game that asks you what YOU think. It asks you what YOUR story is.
This is what I said! Lol
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Raist on May 11, 2019, 04:10:51 AM
I might platinum this. Will be my first plat since Uncharted 2.

Good luck :teehee
BB is not that hard to platinum.
It's the only platinum i have outside of Spiderman (and i did neither intentionally).
Chalice Fire Doggo is the only real hurdle, i'd say, once you finish the game.

I'm not saying it's hard per se, but if you're going in blind  and don't use guides, some trophies aren't exactly straightforward to get.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Like the "true ending" one.
[close]
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on May 11, 2019, 06:03:16 PM
DS3:  Did some backtracking before heading into the Undead Settlement.  Went back and beat that ice crystal lizard thing… easy peazy.   After getting Yoel of Londor, I did that hollow trick to level up 4-5 times quickly.  Now my character looks like shit. lol  …which reminded me of what I hated about DS2 the most.  Man, that was so disappointing.   Thankfully I can get those shards to change back my appearance for cheap in this game.   That could’ve been a deal breaker.  I don’t want to play looking like a zombie.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on May 13, 2019, 09:27:02 AM
Undead Settlement is WAY bigger than what I expected.  So many branching paths.  This game is fucking great.  I think things are starting to click some. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on May 13, 2019, 11:28:48 AM
DS3 is quite big. No spoilers but IMO The Cathedral of the Deep is the best location in the entire game. And there is one moment later on a... revelation of sorts that is the single best "whoa whoa what the...?!?" moment in Soulsborne games since opening up that shortcut to Firelink Shrine in DS1.

Do you have the DLC Svejk? It has some of the hardest Soulsborne bosses outside Sekiro.  Hardest within DeS/ DS1/ DS2/ DS3/ BB for sure.
I don't, no... But if I can get through this game, I'll certainly consider getting it. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: shosta on May 13, 2019, 04:06:13 PM
Nope.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 13, 2019, 04:15:15 PM
Maybe.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 13, 2019, 04:43:54 PM
Sekiro has bosses harder than Blackflame Frieda?

Depends.

Sekiro requires a very different set of skills than DS/BB.
You can be good at one & bad at the other (like me).

So for me, yeah way harder bosses than Frieda,
But for others it might be much easier.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: naff on May 14, 2019, 07:42:14 PM
Sekiro has bosses harder than Blackflame Frieda?

i def spent more time on midir, and for some reason kept getting destroyed by SKGs phase 3

friede just clicked with me. skg and friede are my favourite bosses in the series.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: naff on May 14, 2019, 10:13:45 PM
you can summon slave knight gael for the second and third phase. if you can kill the the ariandel phase without him taking too much damage, he's helpful for drawing aggro from friede.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 14, 2019, 10:39:46 PM
Near end game and haven't summoned for a single boss fight in Bloodborne so far. Proud of myself.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: naff on May 14, 2019, 10:47:01 PM
summoning  :preach

pride :piss2
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 15, 2019, 03:13:59 AM
Near end game and haven't summoned for a single boss fight in Bloodborne so far. Proud of myself.

Did you go to the mansion in the snow and fight the boss on the roof? That was the hardest fight for me in the main game. Fantastic area though.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 15, 2019, 06:37:50 AM
Near end game and haven't summoned for a single boss fight in Bloodborne so far. Proud of myself.
I also never summoned in BB, not because i was against it, but i just forgot, tbh.
The bell system worked slightly differently than just seeing all the summon signs on the ground, so i just never remembered when it mattered.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 15, 2019, 09:14:37 AM
Near end game and haven't summoned for a single boss fight in Bloodborne so far. Proud of myself.

Did you go to the mansion in the snow and fight the boss on the roof? That was the hardest fight for me in the main game. Fantastic area though.

I have unlocked cainhurst. I love the location hard. I have mass hard nipples when it comes to snow locales. It’s a big reason i adored Sekiro world design.

I’ve also unlocked nightmare frontier, mensis, and upper cathedral. I’m not sure which locale to do first but right now I’m leaning on cainhurst. Place is spooky as shit.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 15, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
Near end game and haven't summoned for a single boss fight in Bloodborne so far. Proud of myself.

Did you go to the mansion in the snow and fight the boss on the roof? That was the hardest fight for me in the main game. Fantastic area though.

I have unlocked cainhurst. I love the location hard. I have mass hard nipples when it comes to snow locales. It’s a big reason i adored Sekiro world design.

I’ve also unlocked nightmare frontier, mensis, and upper cathedral. I’m not sure which locale to do first but right now I’m leaning on cainhurst. Place is spooky as shit.

Cainhurst & Upper Cathedral are completely optional areas. So don't save them for last or you might accidentally beat the game first and get into NG+
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 15, 2019, 04:48:56 PM
Made it through Sens fortress up to the iron beast. Those snakes were annoying af.

Gotta kill that rock throwing giant before I take on the Iron Golem again.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 15, 2019, 06:33:05 PM
Made it through Sens fortress up to the iron beast. Those snakes were annoying af.

Gotta kill that rock throwing giant before I take on the Iron Golem again.
BTW, there are
minor spoilers for Sen's Fortress
a total of 3 giants to kill in Sen.
[close]
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: naff on May 15, 2019, 08:03:52 PM
only need to kill the obvious fire bomb one near the iron golem fog gate to stop the rocks being hurled at you though
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 15, 2019, 11:53:25 PM
Holy fuck

https://youtu.be/FuniGF7Y1nY

Cainhurst and Upper Cathedral done. I’ll do Nightmare Frontier tomorrow. When’s a good time to do the dlc?

Cainhurst might be my favorite locale in the game.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 16, 2019, 02:28:20 AM
Iron Golem is down, what an easy fight with Lightning Spear.

Wish I could upgrade it, but getting rank 2 in the convent seems a right ole hassle
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 16, 2019, 04:45:43 AM
Holy fuck

https://youtu.be/FuniGF7Y1nY

Cainhurst and Upper Cathedral done. I’ll do Nightmare Frontier tomorrow. When’s a good time to do the dlc?

Cainhurst might be my favorite locale in the game.

Cainhurst is really great atmosphere.

You can do the dlc now but idk how challenging it’d be since it’s available mid-game and you’re endgame build. Idk I never played the dlc on normal stats, only NG+ where it was very challenging.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 16, 2019, 01:26:29 PM
We will never get BB2 or (proper, horror themed) Demon's Souls 2, won't we?

*sigh*
Why would you think that? BB2 is the best card Sony can play when they need some "gamer cred", so they're not gonna squander it by releasing it a couple of years after the first one, on PS4, when they're already on top of the pile.

They'll cocktease people some more, and drop it on PS5 when needed.

Demon's Souls 2 on the other hand would be pointless, the world is basically Dark Souls and you got already 3 of those.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 16, 2019, 03:27:37 PM
I really hope we will. Just playing DS1 now and thinking how much mlre atmospheric BB (and DS) were. BB is like a whole other level
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 16, 2019, 05:07:01 PM
Had to do some mix and matching to get medium roll.

Gargoyle Helm
Crimson Robe
Dark Iron Legs and Arms

(https://i.imgur.com/SXPEl0c.jpg)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 16, 2019, 07:09:18 PM
Playing these games for a few weeks has completely dulled my fighting game reflexes.

God dammit.

:beli
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: naff on May 16, 2019, 08:18:53 PM
Had to do some mix and matching to get medium roll.

idk how people stomach med roll in DkS1. i die so much more without speed roll. i'd rather play naked  :doge
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 17, 2019, 12:30:02 AM
Had to do some mix and matching to get medium roll.

idk how people stomach med roll in DkS1. i die so much more without speed roll. i'd rather play naked  :doge

Well u get some poise in return so u can actually block stuff too
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 17, 2019, 07:25:12 AM
Everything is so slow in DkS1, that fast Rolling is really great, but yeah a bit of poise for when you encounter some questionable hitboxes, is always good.
I still rolled a 0 poise, DEX character though, with little to no trouble, because again, everyone is so fucking slow compared to the sequels.

That slow speed is why i love it (and Demon's) so much though.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 17, 2019, 09:45:34 AM
Smoug and Ornstein

4 tries solo so far, was trying loghtning strike smoug first, ha one hit left

 :ltg
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 17, 2019, 11:19:20 AM
Smoug and Ornstein

4 tries solo so far, was trying loghtning strike smoug first, ha one hit left

 :ltg
You're doing Dex build or Faith build? either way, it's time to put the Lightning Spear to pasture, if you were still using that.
Last run i did a couple of weeks back (the one i mentioned above) i killed them real easy with a Uchi +15, elemental damage in this game already isn't great, but then you factor in that they are lightning resistant.

Also yes,
O&S minor spoiler
killing Orn. first is the easy way to go (though you don't get his cool as shit armor), because you can kite him away from Smough and he goes down fast, and lightning Smough is still easier than super Orn.
[close]
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 17, 2019, 02:42:38 PM
Fuck me

Not only is there two fucking huge knights in front of orny and smoug, ive also been invaded 3 times by some ass
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 17, 2019, 02:56:37 PM
Fwiw, Smog & Ornestein are kinda legendary DS choke points, so it's not just you.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 17, 2019, 03:02:05 PM
https://youtu.be/-ZQa0xb6f1M

Found this after Glen mentioned it.

In Nightmare mensis and getting some items (want blood rock) before doing dlc.

Can’t believe the journey is almost over. :(

Nemsis design is incredible.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 17, 2019, 03:19:48 PM
Ebrietas is such a shit fight, but awesome music.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 17, 2019, 03:46:11 PM
Ebrietas is a lore fight
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 17, 2019, 04:09:54 PM
is ebrietas the baby that was born once the moon turned red
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 17, 2019, 04:30:19 PM
Nope
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 17, 2019, 08:20:35 PM
Reposted from Sekiro thread

Now that I’m at the end of BB I can say without a doubt that it is 100 times the game Sekiro is. Sekiro is good but...not nearly as good as BB. Combat, dungeon design, level design, variety, choices, customization, BB has it all. Sekiro is boring in comparison and I love Sekiro.

Sekiro might go down as goty for me, but Bloodborne is gotg. Amazing how much better BB is to me.

Either way, From is my favorite developer this gen. Haven’t played DkS3 yet but I have confidence they’ll remain in that camp unless Nintendo manages to top them (please announce new switch).

SEE WHAT GIVING THINGS ANOTHER CHANCE DOES?! Fuck the negativity on page one  :maf

I’m addicted to this formula now. Can’t wait for DkS1.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 17, 2019, 08:53:24 PM
They really nailed what I love in my RPGs. I have tng played an rpg that tickles the buttons since...I’m really thinking here. Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate? SMT4? Both almost released almost a decade ago. Oh, how I’ve suffered! And then I walk into Nemsis and take massive damage via frenzy just stepping into the light. Hardcore dungeon crawl shit. :rock I swear it’s straight out of SMT3’s Amala Labyrinth. I need actual dungeon crawling in my life to be satiated it seems. Going to give the EO games another shot. They never clicked as much as SMT did. I love me some crawlin’ but when your story and atmosphere are THAT barebones it’s hard to interest me. I need more than crawlin. I need some themes, symbolism, story. That said I like EO, so I’ll buy the whole series and go through them. I should replay Lufia II. :doge

What shocks me is how successful From has succeeded in translating the feel of a hardcore dungeon crawler like Wizardry and SMT into a third person action rpg. Bah gawd.

DUNGEON CRAWL SHIT *laser eyes*
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 17, 2019, 09:28:32 PM
Yeah, I can see Dark Souls/BB being comparable to dungeon crawlers. Taking it slow & careful, watching item/health/mp management, that sense of dread never knowing what's ahead that could fuck you in an instant if you're not careful.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 17, 2019, 09:59:02 PM
EO is pedo trash.

EO is good. Its character portraits are cute but yeah, it does have a pedo audience. But the actual games are good.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: naff on May 18, 2019, 12:50:00 AM
Had to do some mix and matching to get medium roll.

idk how people stomach med roll in DkS1. i die so much more without speed roll. i'd rather play naked  :doge

Mid roll is fine. You still roll through everything and have that added armor for times when they clip you.

Fat roll :nah this is for challenge runs.

trading speed for 10-15% effective vit seems bad.

vid is dark souls 3, but damage calculation and defense work more or less the same in DkS1 and 3. iirc, there's some small differences in 2. you're so much faster in DkS1 under 25% vs 3 where under 30% is barely perceptibly faster than under 70 (mostly animation differences).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUJYtR9h4fM
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 18, 2019, 12:59:23 AM
So what u mean is that Ornt is spanking me because I have mid roll?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 18, 2019, 12:59:56 AM
Smoug and Ornstein

4 tries solo so far, was trying loghtning strike smoug first, ha one hit left

 :ltg
You're doing Dex build or Faith build? either way, it's time to put the Lightning Spear to pasture, if you were still using that.
Last run i did a couple of weeks back (the one i mentioned above) i killed them real easy with a Uchi +15, elemental damage in this game already isn't great, but then you factor in that they are lightning resistant.

Also yes,
O&S minor spoiler
killing Orn. first is the easy way to go (though you don't get his cool as shit armor), because you can kite him away from Smough and he goes down fast, and lightning Smough is still easier than super Orn.
[close]

Faith
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: naff on May 18, 2019, 01:20:07 AM
So what u mean is that Ornt is spanking me because I have mid roll?

prob not. i dont think it'll be helping tho.

could be any number of reasons, but evasion is the name of the game so improving that seems good. if you're trying to use reg lightning spear on these dudes, no melee, you be getting crushed. if you're pure faith you want to get a buff miracle for your wep asap (or imbue with green titanite) go get better miracles (hit catacombs and save the monk woman), emit force, wrath of the gods, greater lightning spear (even though they're lightning resistant you should do a fair bit of dmg with gls).

gotta kill smough first for ornsteins armour. it's the real guy way to play that fight.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 18, 2019, 02:16:05 AM
MIKOLASH
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 18, 2019, 02:30:09 AM
Smough isnt lightning resistant, i got him down to like 1% with Lightning spear while dodging orny.

My mace is +10 now

I feel that maybe if I had Solaire along I could kill them but when u summon solaire u need to fight those two giants first as he wont follow u into the fight otherwise it seems.

Also need to be offline so I dont get invaded again.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: shosta on May 18, 2019, 02:31:40 AM
Ah, Kos. Or as some say, Kazaam!(http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/v22vodart/18265/p18265_v_v8_aa.jpg)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 18, 2019, 02:45:06 AM
Kos or KOSM!

Or...

KOSMA! :o

NOW THAT IM WAKING UP I’LL FORGET EVERYTHING :bow THIS GAME
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 18, 2019, 02:56:59 AM
https://youtu.be/xjHaGf1SmDw
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on May 18, 2019, 01:19:45 PM
Wrapped up the Undead Settlement; making short work of that mini Boreal frost knight and that large fire demon thing, and beat the Curse-Rotted Greatwood.  It took me a about 3 tries, but wasn't too difficult overall.   Onward to Road of Sacrifices.  This game is freakin' fantastic so far.  I don't know why I sat on this game for so long. (Been in my backlog for almost a year).   :-[
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 18, 2019, 01:41:56 PM
TYING GESTURE TO TOUCHPAD IS FUCKING STUPID.

Fuck this generation and its awful controllers!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 18, 2019, 03:18:47 PM
so bloodborne ties gestures to touchpad right? Well my current pad doesn't really have a working, traditional ps4 touchpad. There's a part in bloodborne where you have to use a gesture on an enemy to get a super good rune. You cannot hit gestures from the main menu, you can only do so from the gesture menu hidden behind the touch pad. I think it's a flaw tying a feature like that behind the touchpad. Is that a legitimate criticism or am I jjust pissed that I don't have a working ps4 controller? In dark souls you can hit gestures from the main menu so it's hard for me to not consider it completely distinguished mentally-challenged. Am I over blowing this?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: shosta on May 18, 2019, 03:30:54 PM
you're just pissed you have a broken controller
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 18, 2019, 04:14:11 PM
Moon rune, brain of Mensis
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 18, 2019, 04:45:24 PM
Bought new DS4.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 18, 2019, 08:42:30 PM
I don’t recognize any of that shit. Seems to be shit I ignored because I can’t use it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on May 19, 2019, 02:23:59 AM
Fuck those big ass crabs!  :ltg
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 19, 2019, 03:03:28 AM
They’re Hunters Tools. Most have an Arcane stat requirement that requires you to put a few points in, and the ones that do damage scale with the stat. They consume blood bullets.

Hunter’s Bone enhances your dodge, and it made Undead Giant (chain version) way easier.

Yeah I don’t think I used any of them outside the bone giving more iframes in your dodge.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on May 19, 2019, 03:58:32 AM
Defeated the Crystal Sage in Road of Sacrifices easy enough.  Now, not sure whether to pursue Farron Keep or Cathedral of the Deep.  Love the branching path.  The fasion soules bug is starting to itch too.  This game, man.   :whew
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 19, 2019, 08:00:19 AM
Defeated the Crystal Sage in Road of Sacrifices easy enough.  Now, not sure whether to pursue Farron Keep or Cathedral of the Deep.  Love the branching path.  The fasion soules bug is starting to itch too.  This game, man.   :whew
I suggest you clean up farron keep, since it's full of goodies, but then do the cathedral, before continuing down that path.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 19, 2019, 08:19:00 AM
Killed orny twice and got smough down to 50

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/028/539/DyqSKoaX4AATc2G.jpg)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 19, 2019, 06:02:19 PM
Fun but feel overleveled here.

https://youtu.be/jw0hA7HbCL4

Doing dlc now and thankfully I’m not overleveled here. :)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 19, 2019, 11:17:15 PM
lv 73
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 20, 2019, 10:29:58 PM
Holy fuck The Old Hunters does NOT play. :brazilcry
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: El Babua on May 21, 2019, 01:16:07 AM
Yeah Old Hunters NG+ is cray-cray, that's why I always make new characters after every Fromseoft DLC announcement.  :doge
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 21, 2019, 01:45:16 AM
As my first From DLC, I have to say that it's impeccably designed.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 21, 2019, 02:35:47 AM
Want to thank From Software for being directly responsible in me loving non-fighting games again.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 21, 2019, 05:02:34 AM
Feel like giving up, burned through all my 10+ humanity on smough
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 21, 2019, 05:32:56 AM
Ill give this another go another time, cant be arsed trekking back through sens fortress to farm humanity in the sewers.

Great game and I had the right tactic to beat smough, just needed more tries.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 21, 2019, 11:25:23 AM
Ill give this another go another time, cant be arsed trekking back through sens fortress to farm humanity in the sewers.

Great game and I had the right tactic to beat smough, just needed more tries.
I think you're better off farming levels than humanity.
When you summon, the bosses even get more HP, IIRC.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 21, 2019, 12:30:37 PM
Just kite them behind the pillars and only get the save hits. You'll manage it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 21, 2019, 12:40:31 PM
Really? Maybe there is hope still
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on May 25, 2019, 12:27:27 PM
Tied up some loose ends in Road of Sacrifices.  Took out that Black Knight guy.  Ventured onto Farron Keep and did the 3 flame puzzle to open that door.  Poison levels suck.  There seems to be a boss door, but gonna come back later and head to Cathedral of the Deep first. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 25, 2019, 01:07:43 PM
Tied up some loose ends in Road of Sacrifices.  Took out that Black Knight guy.  Ventured onto Farron Keep and did the 3 flame puzzle to open that door.  Poison levels suck.  There seems to be a boss door, but gonna come back later and head to Cathedral of the Deep first.
Another bonfire first, but yeah, good call.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on May 25, 2019, 01:42:14 PM
Tied up some loose ends in Road of Sacrifices.  Took out that Black Knight guy.  Ventured onto Farron Keep and did the 3 flame puzzle to open that door.  Poison levels suck.  There seems to be a boss door, but gonna come back later and head to Cathedral of the Deep first.
Another bonfire first, but yeah, good call.
Yeah, I can hear some metal clanging commotion going on behind the door... thought it's best to just wait. lol
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 25, 2019, 01:46:00 PM
Tied up some loose ends in Road of Sacrifices.  Took out that Black Knight guy.  Ventured onto Farron Keep and did the 3 flame puzzle to open that door.  Poison levels suck.  There seems to be a boss door, but gonna come back later and head to Cathedral of the Deep first.
Another bonfire first, but yeah, good call.
Yeah, I can hear some metal clanging commotion going on behind the door... thought it's best to just wait. lol
No actually, i thought you meant the big door you open with the 3 flames, if you mean the door past that, yeah then it's a boss door.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on May 26, 2019, 02:54:35 PM
Cathedral of the Deep is pretty awesome so far.  These areas are huge.  Unlocked one of the shortcuts to that bonfire in the chapel.  I need to do some more exploring to figure out how to unlock that other shortcut and get to that giant, lumbering in that grand hall. 

Used the Katana +3 for the majority of the game till now.  Using the Frost sword now though.  It's only a few points lower than the Katana but uses much less stamina (plus the high Frost damage). 

My one gripe with this game though, is the sound design.  Being able to clearly hear enemies behind solid walls is a bit distracting.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on May 26, 2019, 03:15:51 PM
Frost Sword is this game's Drake Sword, tbh.
I am compelled to use it all the time, especially if you buff it up with Twinkling titanite, there's a couple of tough bosses you annihilate with it (both of which you haven't faced yet).
Every 3 hits or so does frost damage to them, which is a huge chunk of health, and being a long sword, it's fast and staggers easily.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on May 27, 2019, 12:26:28 AM
Cindi, still playing Bloodborne?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on May 27, 2019, 02:42:03 AM
Yeah took break because of dlc. Back into it tho.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on May 27, 2019, 12:06:43 PM
Also get the Hollowslayer Greatsword if you can.
Went ahead and got this...  and holy shit is it awesome!  I was expecting a two hander, but this beast goes one handed much easier than expected.  Was able to level it up twice too...  needless to say, it fucks shit up good.
That being said, I destroyed EVERYTHING in Cathedral of the Deep.   :cody  The 2 giants were a joke and the Deacons of the Deep?...   :foodcourt   Could be a bit OP atm....  but I say, good.  :win 
It was certainly a pretty cool area though.  Next weekend, gonna go back to finish Farron Keep and venture forth. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on May 27, 2019, 04:35:44 PM
After looking it up, it's sounding like I completely missed the opportunity to help, or fight, Sirris of the Sunless Realms.  :(  Dammit I wanted her armor set! 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on May 27, 2019, 04:56:16 PM
Here's my current Ashen one

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(https://i.imgur.com/KZ0rHGG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ENBauzh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3PqyOEl.jpg)
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Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on May 29, 2019, 07:33:32 PM
Playing through DS3 for the first time and it's blowing me away. I died an embarrassing number of times to Abyss Watchers, but honestly, with how fun the fight is I didn't want it to end quickly. Plus I was trying out a bunch of different builds, like iron flesh quickstep thrall axe, which was fun but had trouble with time to cast. Kept dying with a sliver of life on the boss. Ended up beating them with a bastard sword. Never took that many attempts again but after hitting the princes yesterday, they might set a new record. I could barely do any damage to Lothric at all, let alone win.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on May 29, 2019, 08:18:38 PM
It feels a little unfair with the teleportation and wildly swinging the camera around. On the bright side, it's another opportunity to try out new ideas. I didn't use a shield for blocking (just parrying) the whole game so far, but I tried using magic shield here. It's effective but for me having a shield up ruins my dodging reflexes, so it isn't worth it. Bastard sword doesn't seem fast enough and even the uppercut was somehow failing to do damage to Lothric. Thrall axe short range is bothering me. Morningstar trading doesn't work. I'll try upgrading a straight sword, which I've heard might be the strongest weapon type in the game.

Edit: beat them on the 2nd try this time (using dragonslayer axe 2-handed). Now that I wasn't frustrated, I calmly glanced around the room to dodge the teleport beam. I was still really bad at hitting Lothric, but that just made the fight take a long time, since I could dodge everything.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on May 29, 2019, 08:23:59 PM
I just fought the Abyss Watchers.  :)  It took me a few tries, but their stagger was a bit crazy.  Not sure if it was my weapon or not.  This game is damn good.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on May 31, 2019, 05:13:25 PM
Holy fuck Sister Friede... awesome fight but I'm really going to have to grind levels this time.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on May 31, 2019, 07:21:02 PM
I got to Friede at level 38 +6 weapon, leveled to 45 +8 on her so far, going to go to 55 or 60 though.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on June 01, 2019, 12:16:43 PM
Finished the Catacombs of Carthus last night.  Do you all suggest doing Smoldering Lake or Irithyll of the Boreal Valley next?

Also, is it worth attempting to heal the dark sigil?  It's like around 95K souls atm.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on June 01, 2019, 12:46:23 PM
Finished the Catacombs of Carthus last night.  Do you all suggest doing Smoldering Lake or Irithyll of the Boreal Valley next?

Also, is it worth attempting to heal the dark sigil?  It's like around 95K souls atm.
Smoldering Lake is optional, so i guess that one, but it's also an absolutely miserable area, in my opinion, with one of the worst bosses in the whole series.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on June 02, 2019, 01:36:35 AM
Finished the Smoldering Lake.  Yeah, that area kinda sucked ass.  But I managed to luckily get the Old Demon King on my first try!
Seemed to have some weirdness at the end where I got stuck inside his club...
https://youtu.be/GU_L2ePBHTA
Just realized I left the stupid mic audio to record too... hearing me frantically hit buttons.  >:(  Deleted it. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on June 02, 2019, 01:51:12 AM
Yeah that boss is all sorts of glitchy.
I hated it with a passion, because it's "hard" in all the wrong ways (in my particular case, it constantly lost the lock on).
On top of looking very generic, of course.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on June 02, 2019, 06:37:10 AM
Defeated Friede. Hardest Souls boss I've ever played, but so fun!

Also beat
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Gael
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. While not quite as hard... he's my favorite Souls boss ever. I lost once because my fingers got so sweaty I couldn't hold the controller. It's a beautiful fight, I wish I had recorded that one.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: El Babua on June 02, 2019, 09:45:56 AM
Agreed, would have loved to see a version of the vanilla game with Gael and the Ringed City as the true final boss. Soul of Cinder should have been the DS3 version of the Shura ending.

Also, the dialogue after you give the dark soul paint to the little girl is the true ending to the series, bringing everything full circle.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on June 02, 2019, 10:21:07 AM
Sounds like the dlc should be a must for DS3.  Can/Should it be played mid-game? Or more post?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on June 02, 2019, 12:24:25 PM
Sounds like the dlc should be a must for DS3.  Can/Should it be played mid-game? Or more post?
I played only about half of the first one (then i got fed up with the whole thing) but i'd definitely suggest post game, it can get brutal.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: naff on June 03, 2019, 01:06:24 AM
def play the dlc. the painted world especially is great. i did it around SL100 and breezed through  :doge
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: naff on June 03, 2019, 03:06:34 AM
2/10 pfft, gtfoh borys
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Raist on June 03, 2019, 05:01:14 PM
I was sure
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Aldrich
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will pop out from the sarcocigarillous after the fight :( It would make 10x more sense than his actual location.

...

3 years later some DS3 alpha leaks confirm he was supposed to be fought there, in the Cathedral! What should have and could have been!

Word filter :rofl
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on June 04, 2019, 08:56:08 PM
Still had some optional bosses left to go, Nameless King and Midir. Both were awesome, I love this game!
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Looking up at Nameless King in the sky atop a dragon preparing to throw a lightning bolt down at you is the coolest visual in the game
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Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on June 07, 2019, 03:02:44 PM
Bout to take on the Irithyll of the Boreal Valley.  This place looks damn beautiful...

(https://i.imgur.com/dfVHb01.jpg)

Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on June 07, 2019, 03:24:59 PM
Bout to take on the Irithyll of the Boreal Valley.  This place looks damn beautiful...

(https://i.imgur.com/dfVHb01.jpg)
Top 5 places in any Souls game.
At least visually.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on June 07, 2019, 03:29:20 PM
Wait for it.................................
If this is about that huge wolf/opossum looking thing that came out of nowhere, this shot was right after I defeated it.    :whew
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on June 07, 2019, 04:39:53 PM
hahaha
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on June 09, 2019, 03:39:04 PM
Damn... 2 of those opossum beasts things?!?  Fuuuu... Glad they don't respawn.  For whatever stupid reason, the last one took me like 6-7 tries.  My chi must've been misaligned.  Bout halfway through Ithyrill Dungeon right now.  Trying to find a way down to the level from where that giant is standing.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on June 13, 2019, 06:12:23 PM
Had my most fun invasion yet. In NG+ I got invaded right as I was walking up to fight the Stray Demon. A single hit from the Demon would take almost my entire health bar, so if the invader just waited for that they could easily kill me. I tried chasing him while dodging, and every time I'd get some attacks in he would run to safety next to the Demon and heal. This went on for a while, until... the Demon takes a big swing at me, and kills the invader standing between us in one shot.

Apparently neither of us realized while the Stray Demon doesn't target invaders, he can hit them.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on June 14, 2019, 08:06:05 AM
Was hoping to have DS3 finished by this weekend, but that's not gonna happen.   :-\  Will need to take a break to play Bloodstained.  But I will come back! And I WILL beat a Souls game!!!  :salute
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on June 15, 2019, 03:02:59 PM
Finished the Anor Londo area.  Aldrich was a bit of a pain in the ass, but made it after about 4-5 tries.  Made it to the Profaned Capital bonfire.  Still got some nooks and crannies to go back to in Irithyll Dungeon.  Tell you what... Getting cursed in this game fucks me up bad. It's spikes like crazy, even with my curse defense being decent (I think).  The world design in this game is all sorts of awesome. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on June 15, 2019, 04:34:41 PM
Oh, I thought the wait for it was meant for Pontif Sulyvahn fight after that. I remember that being one of the tougher bosses in DS3.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on June 15, 2019, 06:18:27 PM
I've only played about half of DS2:SotFS, and DS3 currently, so most of this is all new to me.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on June 16, 2019, 12:50:15 PM
Wow... Yhorm the Giant? ... Didn't even hurt me.  I even took a video snag to look back and verify, and not even his AOE fire attacks were taking any HP off.  ???  Needless to say, he was cake.  I did have the onion Knight with me too though, but still.....  he literally was not hurting me and my sword does some good damage too. Took less than a minute to defeat...

Now the Dancer??.... Wtf.  I tried for an hour straight to defeat that bitch.  FINALLY beat her though.. by far the hardest boss fight in this game to me so far.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 06, 2019, 10:12:40 PM
FUCKING LUDWIG
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 06, 2019, 10:25:20 PM
I have not summoned to beat a boss the entire game and reconsidering that for Ludwig.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on July 06, 2019, 11:00:50 PM
Hahahaha, glad you're back to Bloodborne Cindi. You can beat Ludwig without Summoning. I did. The only one I ended up summoning on was the rooftop boss you beat Master Logarius or whatever.


Are you at least getting to the 2nd part of the Ludwig fight?

"Aah, you were at my side, all along" is probably the best bit of dialogue in all the Souls games.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 07, 2019, 12:12:54 AM
https://youtu.be/5V9lqBjuvPg 

Did I play badly?

First form is horse shit.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on July 07, 2019, 03:24:15 AM
It’s really tough fight with huge hit boxes. Can’t really give any strategy analysis since it’s been years since I played it. Just keep trying and getting used to the patterns and don’t give up. Ludwig became internet famous at the time because it was a huge choke point in the expansion. People really struggled with it and many memes were made.

Also the DLC only gets harder from here lol, although the second boss is way easier (beat it on my first try), the final dlc area & boss though will make Ludwig seem normal difficulty.

*edit* watched your vid, oh you beat it, haha. Nice job!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 07, 2019, 03:34:31 AM
Also the DLC only gets harder from here lol

Nooooo :tocry

How far am I in the dlc? I thought it was getting close to the end.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on July 07, 2019, 03:49:47 AM
1/3rd. 3 parts, 3 bosses.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 07, 2019, 03:50:24 AM
:tocry
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on July 07, 2019, 01:59:51 PM
Now that Bloodstained is finished, bout to jump back on the Soul train.   :hyper
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 07, 2019, 08:41:53 PM
Is there a way to make Dark Souls Remastered look as good as Dark Souls 1? The remastered versions lighting is horrific and ruins the artistic choice of darker lighting while at the same making the graphics worse because it gives the more dated textures more light.

https://youtu.be/vpGcCpU-9VM
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 08, 2019, 03:12:52 AM
Beat the Wet Nurse.

Now all I have to do is finish the DLC. Ugh.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 08, 2019, 04:11:19 AM
Say hi to the orphan for me.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on July 10, 2019, 05:34:39 PM
Beat the Wet Nurse.

Now all I have to do is finish the DLC. Ugh.

Well, and the final boss...
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 11, 2019, 05:50:04 AM
It's kind of sad that Cindi is basically playing the best Souls games and then going back to worse ones.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2019, 08:34:12 AM
Maria and the living whatever were easy af. Thank god after Ludwig.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: El Babua on July 11, 2019, 10:58:41 AM
Ludwig was the hardest one for me too.

Also didn't help that I missed a shortcut and had a long-ass run back to him.  :doge
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Let's Cyber on July 11, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
I inadvertently cheesed Maria my first time with Holy Moonlight Sword L2 charge attack. It can knock her down over and over as long as you have silver bullets.

She has a really cool moveset in her final phase so I missed out.  :-\
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2019, 07:38:27 PM
Yeah you can cheese her with just charge.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on July 11, 2019, 09:10:26 PM
Maria and the living whatever were easy af. Thank god after Ludwig.

Yeah I beat Maria on the first try too.

She has a fanbase because she looks like a DMC 1 on 1 boss fight but they needed to make her tougher.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on July 12, 2019, 01:23:36 AM
lobos beat 3x Marias at the same time on modded Bloodborne. Crazy fight.
That and 3x Friede took him several hours, but it was crazy to witness.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 12, 2019, 09:51:15 AM
Link if anyone is interested:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/439920809?t=06h25m40s

Lobos vs 3x Lady Maria after some 4 to 5 hours of trying and failing.

This is wack playing.

Just waiting for the parry. Dude even managed to make fighting three of them at once boring as fuck. Uses zero in the way of space control and tactics such as trades.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 12, 2019, 12:14:34 PM
https://youtu.be/H3M84IkbW2c

:brazilcry :stop
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: paprikastaude on July 12, 2019, 12:24:11 PM
No idea where that Maria hype came from. Looks almost like a regular hunter NPC, but has a few glowing attacks down the line. Okay?  :whatsthedeal
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 12, 2019, 12:25:28 PM
No idea where that Maria hype came from. Looks almost like a regular NPC hunter, but has a few glowing attacks down the line. Okay?  :whatsthedeal

Same
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on July 12, 2019, 08:57:32 PM
Don't forget Maria was also the cover of the expansion (including the physical release):

(https://i.imgur.com/uZFx3xVh.jpg)

Should've made it a harder fight so it's more memorable.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on July 13, 2019, 09:49:19 AM
No idea where that Maria hype came from. Looks almost like a regular hunter NPC, but has a few glowing attacks down the line. Okay?  :whatsthedeal
It just has all of the anime badass trappings in her design and attitude.
I think that's all there is to it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on July 13, 2019, 12:19:16 PM
Defeated the Nameless King and Champion Gundyr, and just got to Archdragon Peak.  Nameless King wasn't too difficult what with his wide legged hitbox.  Champion Gundyr though... That thing was pretty damn aggressive.  He beat me twice, and on the third time, a summon appeared before the fog, so I said eff it and summoned someone called Gundyr Slayer...  Motherfucker hit Gundyr once or twice.. then he got hit once and got half his hp knocked off, so then he decided to run to a corner and let me fight him alone... Got Gundyr down to about 20% of his hp before he got me again.  What a total bitch.  Just did it myself after next round.  ::)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: paprikastaude on July 13, 2019, 01:17:21 PM
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/f584fdf1a456fe0a78f848334c4654ff/tenor.gif?itemid=8334151)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 13, 2019, 01:29:42 PM
Link if anyone is interested:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/439920809?t=06h25m40s

Lobos vs 3x Lady Maria after some 4 to 5 hours of trying and failing.

This is wack playing.

Just waiting for the parry. Dude even managed to make fighting three of them at once boring as fuck. Uses zero in the way of space control and tactics such as trades.

What a dumb critique. Then you do it yourself.

Nope. You don't see me waiting for the parry. Hit, hit, read, parry. Waiting for the parry? ZZZ.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on July 13, 2019, 01:37:31 PM
That's quite a feat, Svejk, because Nameless King is scored as one of the toughest if not *the* toughest boss fight in DS3 with no DLCs. Hardest than the final boss even.

Wait a muthafuckin' second.................. you just got to the Archdragon Peak? Like just arrived there?

Then that's not Nameless King you fought :lol :rofl
  :lol  I'm an idiot.  I meant Consumed King.  My B... Was just reading about the Nameless King and got mixed up.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 14, 2019, 02:04:33 AM
Orphan of Kos is easy as shit. Knocking that zombie boy even deader.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on July 14, 2019, 12:51:45 PM
Orphan of Kos is easy as shit. Knocking that zombie boy even deader.

:o
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on July 20, 2019, 02:35:34 PM
After 41 attempts, Nameless King is down!   :whew
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on July 20, 2019, 02:39:10 PM
Damn, congrats
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 20, 2019, 03:57:10 PM
Orphan of Kos is easy as shit. Knocking that zombie boy even deader.

:o

First form is easy, almost got his second form the first night. Been busy the rest of the week. Will have to dedicate time to beat him. He's not bad, just his damage output is so obscene and moveset is absurd.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on July 20, 2019, 04:54:01 PM
Orphan of Kos is easy as shit. Knocking that zombie boy even deader.

:o

First form is easy, almost got his second form the first night. Been busy the rest of the week. Will have to dedicate time to beat him. He's not bad, just his damage output is so obscene and moveset is absurd.

So in other words, he's tough.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 21, 2019, 10:51:33 AM
Got me angry enough to buy a month of Playstation Plus for coop. Found out it's basically impossible to get people to join there. Ended up beating him on my own anyways.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on July 22, 2019, 09:11:58 AM
Made it to the Grand Archives.  Man this game just keeps on going! 

I have one minor gripe that annoys me (there's a several actually, but I've learned to look past them mostly).  The ambient noise with the breathing is in like 99% of the enclosed areas in DS3.  It's freaky and cool, but come on... I'm sure they could've done more variety in that department.  There's one other sound riff that plays ONLY in the sewer area of the Undead Settlement (from what I've found) where you can hear this subtle, but sinister like whispers from some lady.  it sound so creepy and awesome and wish they could've used it more often throughout...  Or just have alot more of such atmospheric sounds.  It's that important, imo.  With such variety in locales, they totally failed in the variety of sound. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2019, 03:33:09 AM
Boss is bullshit. Grinding for health next time I play. Cheap mother fucker. This boss honestly makes me never want to buy another From DLC ever again tbh.

https://youtu.be/C6JPQykl3ow
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 27, 2019, 03:36:15 AM
Orphan of Kos is easy as shit.

Edit: Git gud, scrub.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2019, 03:46:24 AM
The thing is, he IS easy. Unless he gets a random hit. Did I look like I was struggling? One bad move, a knockdown, and bam. Dead. It’s BS.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on July 27, 2019, 04:49:25 AM
Kos isn't "easy".
Dragon Rider is easy, he could 1 shot you, and he'd still be easy, because he has like 3 moves and they're all very slow and predictable.

Besides, damage output being what it is, it's a standard for most of their bosses, even Owl in Sekiro would be a simple boss (he has like 5 attacks) if it wasn't that every attack does 70% damage to health/posture.
But that makes it not "easy", just simple.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on July 27, 2019, 04:53:45 AM
The thing is, he IS easy. Unless he gets a random hit. Did I look like I was struggling? One bad move, a knockdown, and bam. Dead. It’s BS.

To be fair he is the hardest boss in the game and the ultimate final dlc end boss, so yeah it’s a challenge.

Honestly I struggled at first but got the hang of it and felt like a DMC3 vergil kinda fight and I really liked it by the time I beat it. Always felt like I was making progress.

At least the main game final boss will easy for you after your training on Kos. It’s actually a pretty tough fight pre-DLC.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2019, 08:10:08 AM
Just because the boss is designed to be a challenge doesn’t make it a well designed fight.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: paprikastaude on July 27, 2019, 10:07:52 AM
kos tears :phil
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on July 28, 2019, 04:05:59 AM
Finally beat DS3! (Vanilla)  The twin princes and the Lord of Cinder were not as difficult as Nameless King, that's for sure... Not much of an ending either.  :doge

Overall though, this game was amazing.  I've been truly missing out on these games.  Tbph, I don't think I would ever go back and play DeS, DS1, or finish DS2.  If I were to continue, it would either be Bloodborne or Sekiro.  For the time being, I need a break from this. 
Never thought I'd beat a Souls game though.  :). Praise that muthafuckin sun, son!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on July 28, 2019, 04:10:05 AM
Eh, if you don't mind slightly worse graphics, the old games have basically the exact same gameplay & level design and hold up 99%. Since it seems liked you really enjoyed DS3, I think you should play DS1 at some point and maybe DS2 (I like DS2 even if it's a little worse than 1/3).

But yeah, you can't go wrong with Bloodborne next either. Sekiro is kinda different experience.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on July 28, 2019, 11:37:27 AM
Since I already have BB, it may be the next one I jump on.  I got to the 2nd primal bonfire in DS2(SotFS), but stopped there and never went back.  I may reconsider finishing that later too. 

As for the prior games, I tend be a fair weather graphics whore, so it may be difficult for me to go back and play DS1 or 2. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on July 28, 2019, 01:03:17 PM
For what it's worth, most people dislike DS2 so I wouldn't use it as a judge of DS1. DS2 was made by a different team than DS1/3/Bloodborne/Sekiro.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on July 28, 2019, 07:58:19 PM
https://youtu.be/Tsv95KmJ9Yw

Bitch ass orphan mother fucker.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on July 29, 2019, 03:02:43 PM
https://youtu.be/Tsv95KmJ9Yw

Bitch ass orphan mother fucker.
GG EZ.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on August 03, 2019, 03:11:15 AM
Forgot to upload this the other day. Been playing fgs the whole week so I haven't gotten to the final boss but I'll try it tomorrow after or before EVO. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1ngqG91jtE

Laurence was pretty easy. Third form is retardo whack ass shit though.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on August 03, 2019, 02:41:30 PM
Started BB last night. (Around 4:30am!).
And seriously?!  DS3 used the same damn ambient sound asset from BB?  Really From?   :juicy. I don't know if I can handle another 70 hours of that sound. :goty
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on August 03, 2019, 04:57:40 PM
“Beat” BB. Holy fuck.

Now time to beat it for real thanks to a backup save.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on August 03, 2019, 05:28:41 PM
Started BB last night. (Around 4:30am!).

Everyone knows the proper time to start Bloodborne is during the blood moon.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on August 03, 2019, 05:42:06 PM
Beat BB.

What the Christ.

:notlikethis
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on August 03, 2019, 06:25:49 PM
https://youtu.be/PL0Rvvvcia8

Playing NG+ and already addicted again. Holy fuck this formula is genius. I fought BSB and it’s so much harder and more fun than in NG.

Now time for DkS1.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: Himu on August 03, 2019, 06:46:00 PM
Fun af.

https://youtu.be/UUhp93uLlE4
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: Himu on August 03, 2019, 07:08:51 PM
Already made it to cathedral ward.

Got damn these games are replayable af aren’t they.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: Bebpo on August 03, 2019, 10:10:29 PM
That they are!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2019, 12:18:19 PM
This game is even better the second time.

Took out BSB on first try. I was stuck on him for hours the first go around so to kick his ass the first try without using one antidote is sweet justice ye ugly poison bastard.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: Himu on August 06, 2019, 02:46:02 PM
elden ring most anticipated game <3

stole svjek's avvy <3
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: Himu on August 06, 2019, 05:58:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJWR4_ArQu8

Great beginners guide to BL4.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: Svejk on August 06, 2019, 06:02:48 PM
elden ring most anticipated game <3

stole svejk's avvy <3
You're welcome   :)

Pretty much how I felt after finishing DS3.  LOVE that character design!  I've been reading up on the differences in BB and getting mentally prepped for it this weekend.  Since these games are somewhat elusive with their stories and lore, I've been making my own kinda.. Since my character in DS3 looks similar to the one I made in BB, I'm saying she rested at the last flame in DS3, then awoke in the Victorian style era of BB..  I know, super nerdy.

Seriously though, I want to thank all of ya'll for making this thread.. It's what inspired me to take on a Souls game finally.  I look forward to playing some more!  BB is next!  :hyper
 :salute
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: Himu on August 09, 2019, 02:27:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE3tMn42OEE

I enjoy this game even more on my replay because I'm catching story bits I didn't notice before. Saw the tragedy of Gascoigne and searched it on youtube and found this fantastic video.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: Himu on August 10, 2019, 12:45:32 AM
https://youtu.be/x-YTP-Vklak

this madman
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: Coax on August 12, 2019, 12:59:33 PM
Demon's Souls now runs at 60fps emulated.

https://rpcs3.net/blog/2019/08/12/new-demons-souls-60fps-patch/
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 16, 2019, 09:11:43 PM
So I've finished and Soloed Bloodbourne. I thought it was fucking brilliant. I tried Dark Souls 1 but it was too slow. My son recommended I go after Dark Souls 3 as it's the best in the series. I've gotten a ways in and it's really hard to play after an admittedly superior BB.  There's a lot of foibles in Dark Souls, and at times it feels willfully obtuse, more than once my kid will be like "Oh yeah, did you do this x way?" I was more than once like "How the fuck was I supposed to know that?" Like I had a hard time with the abyss watchers and my kid was like "Oh your weight ratio is too high. Try this instead." Sure enough about 3 tries later it was done. There was nothing in the game to tell me above a certain point I'd start rolling slower.

Also as everyone says this game is hard but really if you're playing online I don't think anything's all that hard. Soloing stuff can be difficult. But still not as hard as BB. Actually soloing it so far shows me how easy this would be online. Still I will say so far the level design has been top notch. Way better so far than the last 2 shit levels of bloodbourne.

All this though makes me terrified of Sekiro. I don't think I have it in me to do that game. I don't think I have the reflexes/skill/patience necessary for it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: porkbun on September 17, 2019, 08:16:34 AM
So I've finished and Soloed Bloodbourne. I thought it was fucking brilliant. I tried Dark Souls 1 but it was too slow. My son recommended I go after Dark Souls 3 as it's the best in the series. I've gotten a ways in and it's really hard to play after an admittedly superior BB.  There's a lot of foibles in Dark Souls, and at times it feels willfully obtuse, more than once my kid will be like "Oh yeah, did you do this x way?" I was more than once like "How the fuck was I supposed to know that?" Like I had a hard time with the abyss watchers and my kid was like "Oh your weight ratio is too high. Try this instead." Sure enough about 3 tries later it was done. There was nothing in the game to tell me above a certain point I'd start rolling slower.

Also as everyone says this game is hard but really if you're playing online I don't think anything's all that hard. Soloing stuff can be difficult. But still not as hard as BB. Actually soloing it so far shows me how easy this would be online. Still I will say so far the level design has been top notch. Way better so far than the last 2 shit levels of bloodbourne.

All this though makes me terrified of Sekiro. I don't think I have it in me to do that game. I don't think I have the reflexes/skill/patience necessary for it.

I'm going between Far Cry New Dawn and DS3 right now.  I've never really played the DS/BB with a "tank" build (slow/heavy armor) so I'm trying that out along with the Pyromancer base.  It's been fun but man it is frustrating at points.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 17, 2019, 03:52:37 PM
All this though makes me terrified of Sekiro. I don't think I have it in me to do that game. I don't think I have the reflexes/skill/patience necessary for it.

I would really, really like to know Sekiro sales numbers. How does it compare to DS3 or BB? They shut down sooooooooooooo many doors and pathways a Souls player can enjoy the game in Sekiro that I am really curious did it have any impact on sales or not? Sekiro = DEX build only. Not saying it is bad but to be the only way to play the game was... rather disappointing.

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ E L D E N   R I N G
yeah I played the first few hours of Sekiro and I felt like there was just one way to beat the bosses and you'd have to die over and over until you got that. In Dark Souls 3 and lesser amount BB you could approach bosses many different ways. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: paprikastaude on September 17, 2019, 04:01:29 PM
:trumps it's a different game
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: Himu on September 17, 2019, 04:01:56 PM
Sekiro isn’t Soulsborne.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: Bebpo on September 17, 2019, 04:22:22 PM
It is and it isn’t
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: Svejk on October 21, 2019, 05:05:44 PM
Since I finished Arkham Knight for my Halloweenish time game, I decided to give BB another try, seeing as it's still that time of year.  (I needed a break after DS3)  And ok, yeah...  I think I'm starting to get why this ranks so high up on the soulsborne list.  I'd be the first to admit, I really don't care much at all for Victorian era/Steampunk-ish themes; those being the main reasons I had it off my radar. (Castlevania being the exception) But starting to get into a unique souls groove with the fighting mechanics and I think I'm really starting to like it.  Granted, I'm still at the very beginning and proceeding with a bit of caution till I feel a bit more comfortable.  Need to adjust my shield button muscle memory. lol
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 22, 2019, 01:34:56 PM
Yeah, the spoopy season has totally put me in the mood to play Bloodbourne again. God that game is brilliant. But I know if I start it again it'll take me weeks to finish it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Svjek beat DS3, Cindi beat BB)
Post by: Svejk on October 27, 2019, 11:43:56 AM
Got past the Cleric Beast in BB.  Geez that camera is so fucked on that part.  Could've been easier if it weren't for it.  I hope there aren't too many ultra narrow paths to fight large bosses in.   :doge

On the other hand, the level design so far is a bit brilliant.  So many branching paths and shortcuts.  Pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on November 02, 2019, 10:38:00 AM
Seems I cleared up most of the first (?) area.  Defeated Father Gascoigne relatively easily. (2nd try)  Really enjoying the shit out of this game right now.  Kinda ready for a change of scenery though... Everything looks the same... The whole game doesn't take place in this Yarnham town, does it?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on November 04, 2019, 02:03:26 PM
Got past the chain gun tower hunter and the one running around in Old Yarnham.  It's kinda crappy that the chaingun bullets don't effect the enemies at all.  Kinda lame.  But eventually got up that tower and knocked his ass off.   And man... the Blood-starved Beast and his fucking poisoning.  WTF  Sometimes it seemed to only deplete my HP slowly, but then sometimes it seemed to drop much faster... I don't get it.  Anywho, finally killed that mf'er last night.  Parrying regular enemies is a breeze now.  Having a much easier time than trying to parry in DS3...  But I couldn't pull off even one on the Blood-starved Beast..  Can you even parry that thing?  Guess it doesn't matter.  Good riddance to that thing.

Bout have to take a break from BB though to jump on DS this next weekend.  Will look forward to getting back to this afterwards. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: MMaRsu on November 04, 2019, 02:51:46 PM
https://youtu.be/gUCMvgZFijY

limmy is love limmy is life

so is bb btw
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 22, 2019, 02:01:51 PM
Buying Dark Souls trilogy to play after Shenmue III. Starting with 1.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on November 22, 2019, 04:02:30 PM
I only got to the 2nd primal bonfire of DS2 before getting too annoyed with looking like a zombie 90% of the time.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 24, 2019, 12:49:28 AM
Man the combat in DS1 feels weird after Bb
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 24, 2019, 01:04:29 AM
Made a warrior with master key.

Heading for the gargoyle

Edit: well this isn't as fun as BB lol
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 24, 2019, 12:45:15 PM
Imo dark souls is harder than bb but maybe i just gotta readjust
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Freyj on November 24, 2019, 01:10:17 PM
Skip DS2.

:noooo

It starts awkward but there’s enough backloaded good in DS2 to power through it as long as you give yourself enough Adaptability stat to make dodge roll not shit.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 24, 2019, 05:18:42 PM
Beat gargoyle.

Had to use solaire. Not sure if that's normal or not. I beat all of bb without summoning. So I feel ashamed.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: thisismyusername on November 24, 2019, 05:21:46 PM
Don't be, the AI is there to help for a reason.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: chronovore on November 24, 2019, 10:59:08 PM
Beat gargoyle.

Had to use solaire. Not sure if that's normal or not. I beat all of bb without summoning. So I feel ashamed.

It's normal, at least for me. I'd be waiting to do the restore-to-human thing just so I could clown that damned gargoyle, and Solaire makes a fantastic distraction while you wail on Gargoyle's tail.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on November 27, 2019, 03:24:32 PM
Skip DS2.

Boo this man.

DS2 is flawed but still pretty good. Has a more interesting story/lore/world building than 3 or Sekiro imo.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 28, 2019, 03:32:04 AM
Beat Capra. 10 hours in.

Dissected myself a way to use the limited space to not ever get hit upon opening the fog gate. Immediately lock on, then walk forward, then move back. For whatever reason it caused capra to miss his first attack opening. It works as a flinch. I bait, then go back, he misses. Dog is now in my space. One, two. Swipe! Kill dog instsntly. Run up stairs, second dog follows. It's easy at that point.

Loving the world building. Love the world building in these games so much. The clerics are leaving.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 28, 2019, 01:55:24 PM
Went to the depths, held my own against the sack dudes with the giant cleavers. Easy prey. Beat a giant rat, and got its key it dropped. Then fell down a hole and was killed by basilisk's curse. What an adventure. I love how these games create a sense of tension when going into any new area. Soulsborne games are fantastic at enhancing the atmosphere of a great dungeon crawler (for which I consider these games constitute).
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on November 28, 2019, 02:15:48 PM
Imo dark souls is harder than bb but maybe i just gotta readjust
Gotta be that.
BB destroyed my ass, while i sometimes fire up DkS1 for the comfy difficulty.
Infact, that was the sweet spot for me, further FROM games got too hard for their own good, in my opinion (didn't even finish Sekiro).

Dark 1 is a very slow and methodical game by comparison.
Also no 8 directional roll while locked on, can fuck with your head, but they change that in 2 and 3.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 28, 2019, 02:36:48 PM
Went to New Anor Londo and came back, turns out the cleric girl and her henchmen died or became hollow and she's trapped in a hole. I love shit like this. Why are these games so cool with the story telling and world building?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 28, 2019, 02:39:44 PM
Imo dark souls is harder than bb but maybe i just gotta readjust
Gotta be that.
BB destroyed my ass, while i sometimes fire up DkS1 for the comfy difficulty.
Infact, that was the sweet spot for me, further FROM games got too hard for their own good, in my opinion (didn't even finish Sekiro).

Dark 1 is a very slow and methodical game by comparison.
Also no 8 directional roll while locked on, can fuck with your head, but they change that in 2 and 3.

Yeah I've getting used to it and aside from the occasional boss it's not that bad. Enemies are slow and ridiculous easy to punish. It's really, really easy to parry compared to BB. The window is so slow that one time I parried an attack that was at the high point of the swing, like right when he raised his arm and not even closed to throwing the blade down. It's also easy to backstab.

If there's one thing that's more difficult in DS1 it's that there's less bonfires and save points/shortcuts. They're far more distant than what was in BB.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on November 28, 2019, 04:25:57 PM
Interesting, because I find parrying so much easier in BB than DS3... Must be cake in DS1.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 29, 2019, 01:45:22 AM
Holy. Fucking. Shit.

Svejk don't read this post. Spoilers.

Went to the Depths, got lost, killed a summoner? Fought off some giant rats and basalisks. Couldn't find anything. Somehow found my way back to Undead Asylum just through exploring and it was an incredible experience. Knocked Stray Demon out like a bitch. Very easy but so fun.

https://youtu.be/BZBQc-SrYP4

Then wandered around, took out all the black knights, found a doll, and fought the warrior from the beginning of the game! :o Except he was Hollow now. :gladbron

Incredible storytelling, level design, use of environment, and build up. Seeing the monster through the cage bars at the beginning only to come back and WRECK SHIT.

The game has also completely clicked at this point and I am LOVING it so much. You feel so powerful coming here and feel so much hope when before there was so much sorrow. Incredible stuff.

Still looking for what to do in the depths but bah gawd I love this game now. It has REALLY clicked for me in the way Bloodborne before it did.

Really glad to give the game another shot after all these years. It feels so satisfying for it finally click after hours and hours of trying in the past.

Again, fuck the people on the first page who said not to bother.

And bonus round, wanted to show off my skills at this point. lmao Feels so good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8M5JkcqHLs

(https://i.imgur.com/RkB8rzy.gif)

AHAHAHAHHAHA
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 29, 2019, 01:52:01 AM
Also I've never bothered with PVP with these games but was exploring in Undead Burg and saw a white summon sign despite being undead form. Turns out it lets me invade someone that killed before for revenge. Lots of people were trying to kill him. It was fun as hell. Couldn't get him because he had a flame sword but one time he killed me, did a victory lap, and someone got him while he was dancing on my grave.

So I got the assist, at least. :jawalrus That's for killing me on the way to the Gargoyles you fuck.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: chronovore on November 29, 2019, 04:46:10 AM
Also I've never bothered with PVP with these games but was exploring in Undead Burg and saw a white summon sign despite being undead form. Turns out it lets me invade someone that killed before for revenge. Lots of people were trying to kill him. It was fun as hell. Couldn't get him because he had a flame sword but one time he killed me, did a victory lap, and someone got him while he was dancing on my grave.

So I got the assist, at least. :jawalrus That's for killing me on the way to the Gargoyles you fuck.

Yes, this was it for me as well. There are troll-players who sit at the church near the Solaire summon and will just wreck any non-Hollows who come through. It's a shitty, shitty practice. Glad to hear they got ganked while prancing about.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on November 29, 2019, 07:13:56 AM
I feel like the PvP/coop in Souls games is too mature at this point.
People eviscerated these games with all sorts of meta shit, and it's harder to enjoy it.
The first weeks of DkS2 were great, a finally working online (non-remastered DkS1 was shit on that front) and a lot of fun helping people with bosses.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 29, 2019, 09:48:33 AM
Now that the game has clicked I'm in complete "explore everywhere :unclephil" mode.

Went to Dark Basin or whatever and knocked the shit out of a black knight, unlocked the bonfire, and found the most incredible shield that restores stamina fast. Smacked around some ice dudes but struggling against some Hydra. I got the coolest armor set yet in the Knight armor set but it makes my character too slow. Wahhh. :tocry It's the cool armor used in promotion material too!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 29, 2019, 01:01:21 PM
:bow Giant Dad
:bow Iron Pineapple ganks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyA8odjCzZ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70Z2t7nq_sU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf3Wj_d-aOE

People calling others nig.ger for humor. Good representation of gamers.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on November 29, 2019, 02:14:39 PM
What? I didn't watch them just sorted by views and posted. Even Souls fans are toxic it seems, damn!
:lol
I mean...
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 29, 2019, 04:12:01 PM
:lol

Borys you're too cute
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: chronovore on November 29, 2019, 09:52:42 PM
What? I didn't watch them just sorted by views and posted. Even Souls fans are toxic it seems, damn!
:lol
I mean...

I thought the current renaissance of "git gud" is traceable back to Dark Souls as an origin, no?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 30, 2019, 02:48:20 AM
Took out Moonlight Butterfly. What a bore! First bad boss!

DS1 Forest is nothing compared to BB's. Kinda disappointed with the area. Has some good traps but I predicted all of them with the Souls sense built up by BB. Lol
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on November 30, 2019, 06:06:35 AM
What? I didn't watch them just sorted by views and posted. Even Souls fans are toxic it seems, damn!
:lol
I mean...

I thought the current renaissance of "git gud" is traceable back to Dark Souls as an origin, no?
Yeah, as far as i know.
Souls fans are annoying shits, though they sort of settled down in the last few years.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 30, 2019, 12:04:07 PM
https://youtu.be/1N6Wb5IV9FY

lmao

Going to try to take on this Hydra and then go back to the Depth and then finally see if I can make it to Blighttown?

Level 30, 20 VIT, 20 END, 22 DEX, +4 Uchigatana. I had been holding off on upgrading my Uchigatana because I searched on Dark Souls wiki for other katanas and saw the Chaos Blade. I want that and didn't want to bother dumping treasured shards into a weapon I'm going to replace but Moonlight Butterfly was an eye opener of tedium without a leveled up weapon and one shard costs 800 souls at the Andre so who cares.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on November 30, 2019, 05:38:41 PM
Man I am not killing those hydras any time soon lol.

Killed the dragon. Weaping dragon? Idk. Forgot.

Unlocked the blighttown door and will explore tonight after work.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: demi on November 30, 2019, 07:13:17 PM
Here's a speedrun of Code Vein in under an hour for Borys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCvjnk6FoV0
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 01, 2019, 12:34:24 AM
HOLY FUCK BLIGHTTOWN IS AMAZING

Level design, atmosphere, PvE. I fucking love it! Navigating it is such a thrill. Holy damn they nailed the dungeon crawl feel of not knowing what's next around the corner and being surrounded by oppressive enemies.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 01, 2019, 01:34:18 AM
Honestly beyond the initial hype I forgot I played Sekiro. BB is a much better game. I'm glad to have played it because it's what got me to give Soulsborne another chance but it has nothing as good as Blighttown or the highs of BB.

The fact it's not an rpg is a massive negative. And the fact that the enemies are so pattern based that you can bat them around on replays makes it not the most replayable game. Meanwhile I'm considering doing a naked run in dark souls after I beat it. Sekiro offers no such variation in playstyle. It's very plain Jane.

Great game but not in the same category as BB or DS1

I wish they'd do an RPG in a Japanese setting.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 01, 2019, 02:34:20 AM
I think I enjoy Dark Souls 1 more than Bloodborne :o One reason is the map. It's incredible how so much connects to each other. I'm BB the world is far more disjointed. Although that's the point, I vastly prefer the map in DS1.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: thetylerrob on December 01, 2019, 11:22:42 AM
I still think DS is the best souls game for exactly that reason. The design of the world is just so damn good. :rejoice
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 01, 2019, 11:57:32 AM
I think I enjoy Dark Souls 1 more than Bloodborne :o One reason is the map. It's incredible how so much connects to each other. I'm BB the world is far more disjointed. Although that's the point, I vastly prefer the map in DS1.

Yeah, the map design in DS1 is amazing.

Still prefer BB for the actual combat & boss fights (DS1 combat is kinda busted jank but I also sorta love it. BLEED 4 EVER) and story-wise I give BB a little bit of an edge because I'm down with the Eldricht, but DS1 is my 2nd favorite souls game after BB because the map design, story, lore and ambiance.

Saying that, get ready to lower your expectations Cindi. DS1's last 1/3rd or 1/4th feels really rushed/unfinished. There's an entire terrible unfinished area and super awful boss fight later on.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 01, 2019, 12:25:53 PM
I still think DS is the best souls game for exactly that reason. The design of the world is just so damn good. :rejoice

After Sekiro and BB I was miffed there was no teleport. But now I understand why and I prefer that. :)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 01, 2019, 12:30:13 PM
DkS1 has the best pacing and progression of any of their games from the start up until Anor Londo's boss fight.
After that it nose dives, but before that it's just a fantastic ride that they never really replicated.
Other games they did, surpassed it in many areas, but that sense of propulsion from area to area, while feeling interconnected is just unmatched in my opinion.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 01, 2019, 12:31:40 PM
I still think DS is the best souls game for exactly that reason. The design of the world is just so damn good. :rejoice

After Sekiro and BB I was miffed there was no teleport. But now I understand why and I prefer that. :)
Their reliance on teleportation is also why they felt more free to do the linear maps they've had ever since.
There's some hubs, but usually you go down a path and just ride it out until the boss, then just teleport back and go somewhere else.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 01, 2019, 06:08:23 PM
Why is the last 30% bad?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 01, 2019, 06:55:03 PM
Probably ran out of time? One path of a couple areas and bosses is pretty rough and iirc there's plenty of unused stuff too.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 02, 2019, 02:31:38 AM
I rang the second bell. Holy shit.

First got the game in 2012. I can't believe I finally did it. So glad the game finally clicked. Game rocks.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 02, 2019, 05:17:11 AM
Yeah, i don't want to spoil anything, but it's clear the last couple of areas were rushed to get the game out, which is unfortunate.
They could've fixed them in one of their re-releases/remasters, but i guess they just wanted to move on to the next game.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: El Babua on December 02, 2019, 01:28:33 PM
Also, get to the DLC Cindi. If you have trouble, look up how to get there, cause it's way more obtuse than getting to the DLC in the other games.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 02, 2019, 01:30:54 PM
I'm assuming any modern version of DS1 is goty including the dlc.

If not though, yeah, get it Cindi. The DLC for DS1 is great.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 02, 2019, 01:32:59 PM
I already have the dlc. I have the Dark Souls trliogy ps4 boxset.

I'm assuming that locked door at the Dark Root Basin is the door to unlock the DLC?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 02, 2019, 01:39:19 PM
Yes  :)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: El Babua on December 02, 2019, 01:43:39 PM
lol nope

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Unless they changed it for the remaster, you have to beat the Hydra. Reload your save to reset the world settings, go to a little alcove in the lake on the left side - you'll see a golden crystal golem you have to kill. That golem will transform into an NPC. After that you have to kill another golem in the Duke's archive to get a pendant that will unlock a portal where the NPC was.
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Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 02, 2019, 01:43:55 PM
Figured as much.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 02, 2019, 01:44:43 PM
lol nope

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Unless they changed it for the remaster, you have to beat the Hydra. Reload your save to reset the world settings, go to a little alcove in the lake on the left side - you'll see a golden crystal golem you have to kill. That golem will transform into an NPC. After that you have to kill another golem in the Duke's archive to get a pendant that will unlock a portal where the NPC was.
[close]

Thanks for the head up. Fuck that hydra btw.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 02, 2019, 02:01:04 PM
Wait, isn't that at dark basin tho?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: El Babua on December 02, 2019, 02:01:55 PM
Yeah, but the locked door is for something else
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 02, 2019, 02:02:18 PM
Ah, ok. It's been a while.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 02, 2019, 04:00:03 PM
Holy fuck Sen's Fortress feels like a goddamn final dungeon and shit. This place isn't playing. Whoever Sen is, they're no slouch. Damn.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: chronovore on December 03, 2019, 12:20:12 AM
HOLY FUCK BLIGHTTOWN IS AMAZING

Level design, atmosphere, PvE. I fucking love it! Navigating it is such a thrill. Holy damn they nailed the dungeon crawl feel of not knowing what's next around the corner and being surrounded by oppressive enemies.

No, BLIGHTTOWN is a steaming stream of diarrhea, if you're playing it on 360, its original, publisher-TRC-approved platform. It runs like a slideshow, and exposes control and camera issues the base game contains.

Happy that you're enjoying it though.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 03, 2019, 12:35:36 AM
It is incredible level design and has no frame problems on PS4 :yeshrug
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: El Babua on December 03, 2019, 01:13:00 AM
I always said Blightown was a good level.

The horrible framerate on last gen consoles (and even the original PC version) left a really bad taste in peoples mouths. Although I do acknowledge some of the enemy placement in that area is just bs lol
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 03, 2019, 02:22:50 AM
Sen's :stahp

Hardcore dungeon crawl shit. Oh my GOD.

I'm both :gladbron and :stahp right now. This is glorious. Haven't played a good dungeon this tight in a long ass time. DAMN.

It's truly godlike. The resource management is :delicious

Bruh. 5 estus and this long ass dungeon, you better make good choices. This is incredible. :lawd OMG I never imagined Souls would go full jrpg and here we are. :gladbron
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 03, 2019, 02:40:38 AM
This is like an action rpg version of traditional SMT or Wizardry.

OMG this is a faithful translation from turn based dungeon crawl design with traps, obstacles, risk-reward, item/resource management. I've never seen an action rpg fully replicate the feeling of trekking through a hard dungeon in an action rpg and these fuckers have gone and done it.

I always knew Dark Souls is something I would potentially like because I'm a dungeon crawl/roguelike fan. But bah gawd. This tickles all my buttons. And the bonfire is nowhere in sight. The sheer amount of adversity. :rejoice It's like they've gone full Wizardrylike.

Talking about

https://youtu.be/W94Xyo2E4Dc

:lawd
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 03, 2019, 02:47:40 AM
yeah, Sen's is tough and cool.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 03, 2019, 07:07:16 AM
Sen has nothing on Tower of Latria from Demon's.

BTW I did not found the bonfire nor the elevator in Sen only after killing the boss. Yeah, that was fun running ALL THE FUCKING WAY to the boss at least a couple of times. I had that shit memorized to a tee.
They're not that similar, design wise.
Latria is way cooler in terms of atmosphere, but the level design of Sen is more intricate.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 03, 2019, 10:15:35 AM
Yes, knights and shit :rejoice

Sekiro's enemy variety was very poor. Very weird criticism especially in defense of sekiro. And even more especially when samurai are basically Japanese knights and you fight plenty of them. Lmao
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 03, 2019, 11:35:50 AM
Sekiro had fucking APES!
2 apes.
Being bosses.
The rest were mere monkeys.

Also like Cindi said, Souls have plenty more creatures than just knights, lol, especially if you're counting bosses.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 03, 2019, 12:27:54 PM
Made it to Anor Londo. HOLY SHIT!!!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 03, 2019, 02:55:10 PM
Made it to Anor Londo. HOLY SHIT!!!

 :D
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 03, 2019, 03:43:22 PM
I'm surprisingly finding the story in Dark Souls more resonant than BB's. As someone with a lot of struggles and been fighting them bit by bit it really speaks to me how this character just keeps going despite it all. It's really well done speaking to other adventurers who have given up and how I keep trying. The tone is totally different than Demons or Bloodborne and I'm loving it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on December 03, 2019, 11:29:16 PM
Soooo... I'm gonna take a stab here and guess that I should probably just go back to Bloodborne instead of play Shenmue 3... ??
 :thinking
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Coax on December 04, 2019, 09:29:01 AM
Man Sekiro sure had great imaginery................ I miss it already. It was just different barring Nioh.

I probably appreciate Sekiro mostly for its appetizing vignettes even if some aren't as layered as they have the potential to be. Things like the first time ascent to and up the outer side of Ashina Castle were a wonderful experience. In that sense I agree it would be nice to see more games with such an eye for periods like that.

concept art
(https://i.imgur.com/EIFgR5s.jpg)

:lawd
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Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on December 04, 2019, 02:17:21 PM
Even though I got turned off from DS2 (hollowing.. fucking hated it), the title music still reigns supreme in mood setting, imho...  freakin chills every time I hear it. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfQ1ziaS6Ew
 :preach 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
And Majula too   :lawd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9hoAyx3-0I
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Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 04, 2019, 02:26:18 PM
You go hollow in DS2?!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on December 04, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
I'm not too familiar what with all hollowing entails (the lore) in the souls games, but in DS2, when you start to hollow out from dying more often, you start to look hollowed; undead like.  Which also drops your HP cap too; up to half...  But that didn't bother me as much as appearance though.   :doge  I want to look beautiful while covered in blood and darkness.  FashionSouls for me.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 04, 2019, 03:15:04 PM
:o

I noticed something similar in DS1.

Hollow means to become truly dead. A hollow is all the monsters you fight in game. They're undead people that have since gone hollow.

I look much different than I did at the beginning of the game. Reminds me of SotC where the Wanderer starts to look sick and dying the more he kills the giants. That video game minimalist storytelling. :bow
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 04, 2019, 03:28:40 PM
I'm not too familiar what with all hollowing entails (the lore) in the souls games, but in DS2, when you start to hollow out from dying more often, you start to look hollowed; undead like.  Which also drops your HP cap too; up to half...  But that didn't bother me as much as appearance though.   :doge  I want to look beautiful while covered in blood and darkness.  FashionSouls for me.
I modded that out on PC.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on December 04, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
I'm not too familiar what with all hollowing entails (the lore) in the souls games, but in DS2, when you start to hollow out from dying more often, you start to look hollowed; undead like.  Which also drops your HP cap too; up to half...  But that didn't bother me as much as appearance though.   :doge  I want to look beautiful while covered in blood and darkness.  FashionSouls for me.
I modded that out on PC.
:thinking hmmmm.. didn't even think about that.   I may pick up SOTFS again if it goes on the cheap. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 08, 2019, 11:47:21 PM
Damn Anor Londo has tricky bits
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: chronovore on December 09, 2019, 01:07:24 AM
Damn Anor Londo has tricky bits

Those moments when I feel like I can finally casually get through all the stuff I had a rough time with at the beginning -- and then misstepping and still getting my ass handed to me.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 09, 2019, 02:30:50 AM
Damn Anor Londo has tricky bits

The part with the archers  :maf
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2019, 02:36:16 AM
Damn Anor Londo has tricky bits

The part with the archers  :maf

I'm at a part where you fight these lightning  weapon dragons and there's an archer. Tough scenario.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on December 15, 2019, 01:59:10 AM
I've been playing DS2: SOTFS

It's the weakest of the 3 imo (since it doesn't have the amazing world design of DS1 or the level of boss fights in DS3), but I'm having a ton of fun anyway. I think one of the biggest things that turned people off from it was the game gives no indication at all how important agility is, or even what it is doing, so unless you look up detailed testing players did you can't build a reasonable character.

I like how different the game is. All 3 are quite different, which makes them all worth playing. DS2 is the slowest and most methodical, there are many places where you will be killed almost instantly if you rush in. Bonfire ascetics are a nice feature. Some bosses are up there with the best
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fume Knight and Ivory King
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Magic is probably the best of the series. I never used much magic in the others, but this time spells give you more options. There are the basic damage dealing projectiles, as well as AOE, but there are also defensive spells of various ranges (Focus Souls is a fun one to put up when something is charging at you), spells intended to stun rather than damage (Soul Vortex is great at this), the greatsword spells for wider hits and going through obstacles, etc. This is the first time I've really liked a mage character as much as melee.

(https://i.imgur.com/sKiKfNW.jpg)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2019, 12:42:44 AM
Anor Londo is hard as shit. Still haven't gotten past the archers on the ledges. (Almost though)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2019, 01:00:15 AM
Holy fuck I did it
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 16, 2019, 02:14:28 AM
Anor Londo is hard as shit. Still haven't gotten past the archers on the ledges. (Almost though)

Holy fuck I did it

Yeah, this is the spot I was talking about. Probably hardest spot in the DS1 for me!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2019, 03:07:25 AM
Lmao gotta play this


https://youtu.be/tzBIOCOvlgM
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: FatalT on December 16, 2019, 04:37:37 AM
Lmao gotta play this


https://youtu.be/tzBIOCOvlgM
IT BROKE NEW GROUUUNNNNDDD

So how about that Code Vein?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 16, 2019, 08:49:46 AM
Lmao gotta play this


https://youtu.be/tzBIOCOvlgM
The game is basically copied homework with Sekiro and some more classic Soul elements, yes.
It actually makes you appreciate how good those games are, in comparison, since this is one is so unfun to actually play.

Random example:
It has the stance meter, like Sekiro, but in this one once you break the enemy's, you don't just kill them outright, you just get the opportunity to land a couple of hits to their actual health bar (removing, like, 10% at best) as their stance quickly replenishes, making that mechanic actually an incredible chore.

It's like they played the game, but didn't understand what made it fun and satisfying.  :yeshrug
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on December 16, 2019, 09:18:58 AM
I like how the Blight town scene pops up and the frame rate drops all of a sudden.  :lol
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2019, 12:39:10 PM
Smough and Ornstein :o
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2019, 02:18:10 AM
Smough and Ornstein :o

Omfg :stahp
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 19, 2019, 10:15:54 AM
Smough and Ornstein :o

Omfg :stahp
If you're having trouble, remember what the Romans used to say: Divide et Impera.  :-*
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2019, 12:10:54 PM
Struggled chipping Ornstein's life so I checked my weapon level and turns out it was only +4. Went to fight em again and got him to half life.  :doge

Today you die, gentlemen.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 20, 2019, 09:47:16 AM
Ornstein is BS. The attack he has that tracks and he glides is BULLSHIT. He has fast recovery on every single move. Dude will glide across the screen and immediately do a backdash distancing himself from attack space. FUCKING BULLSHIT.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 20, 2019, 11:07:01 AM
Ornstein is BS. The attack he has that tracks and he glides is BULLSHIT. He has fast recovery on every single move. Dude will glide across the screen and immediately do a backdash distancing himself from attack space. FUCKING BULLSHIT.
What weapon are you using for the fight? Something too slow? Kite him away from Smough, use the pillars (even just the stumps work fine) to block his attacks, and roll into his lunges and immediately strike.
That strategy usually works for me.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 20, 2019, 11:09:29 AM
Ornstein is BS. The attack he has that tracks and he glides is BULLSHIT. He has fast recovery on every single move. Dude will glide across the screen and immediately do a backdash distancing himself from attack space. FUCKING BULLSHIT.
What weapon are you using for the fight? Something too slow? Kite him away from Smough, use the pillars (even just the stumps work fine) to block his attacks, and roll into his lunges and immediately strike.
That strategy usually works for me.

A katana. The range is limited so I cannot punish when he back steps.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 20, 2019, 11:24:52 AM
I don't remember, does DkS1 have the out-of-a-roll attack? (Pressing R1 while rolling).
There was a Katana who had a good horizontal slash with that move, that should help if you roll into his thrusts (using iframes to survive it).
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 20, 2019, 11:40:52 AM
I'd like a lance but I need a dex based lance. I'll also have to level it +5. Hopefully I have something. :(

I do have the silver knight spear so maybe that's a possibility. I feel like I could poke Orny to death with something long, but the katana just handicaps me. I think I might also need Str to wield the silver knight spear.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 20, 2019, 11:49:50 AM
Already have but iirc I have low str for it. We'll see.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 20, 2019, 12:00:51 PM
Uchigatana is perfectly fine for them, i did the whole game with it a bunch of times.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2019, 03:25:15 AM
Bruh, I leveled up my iaito to like +10 and can take out ornstein with a breeze almost not getting hit now. And then the super electric Smough can kill with one hit (butt slam). Crazy.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: curly on December 23, 2019, 03:27:33 AM
I beat them with uchi but it took me an embarrassing amount of tries, then second time around it was ez.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 23, 2019, 08:53:30 AM
 :nope Iaito


 :ohyeah Uchi
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2019, 09:24:19 AM
Uchigatana has shit durability tho
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2019, 01:46:04 PM
Almost. Went to bed last night. I'll likely get them today.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 23, 2019, 02:29:13 PM
Uchigatana has shit durability tho
durability is only really a factor in DkS2 though, except for crystal weapons. as long as you buy the tool box.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2019, 02:47:16 PM
Still annoying af though. My Uchigatana almost broke in the middle of a boss fight in the depths.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 23, 2019, 02:48:58 PM
Cindi, this thread is crazy. It's a tough fight that might take 30-60 mins of retries, but not one you should be stuck at for days. Did you watch any youtube vids for strategy tips?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2019, 02:54:27 PM
I had a +4 weapon most of the time I fought them.

I googled to see what weapon level I should be at because I wasn't doing much damage to them and turns out I should have been +10.

I had been unknowingly gimping myself all of Anor Londo because the game has so many types of weapon enhancement and didn't want to fuck up my weapons permanently, so I decided to not level up my weapons past +5. So when I found out I should have a +10 weapon I leveled it up and instantly had an easier time. That was last night. I almost beat them but then was too tired and went to bed.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2019, 04:06:13 PM
Also, tbh, this is the hardest fight in the Souls series (so far) imo. I think it's harder than Kos.

For one, Kos always has the same opener. A charge attack.

With Smough and Ornstein, Ornstein's opening decides both enemies behavior entirely. If he charges to you then you know you'll have a fine time. If he doesn't, sometimes the AI is overly aggressive and Smough will be running towards you the entire fight, making it hard to keep him away even with the pillars.

Then there's the fact that multiple hits can hurt you even if they're not a combo. Smough can hit you then Orny can. Your hit stun is fairly limited. Combine with unpredictable things like movesets, Ornstein's glide where he goes into debris, stops, and then glides again which completely messes up your dodge timing. Or Smough's charge attack which clears a massive amount of space.

It's easily the hardest Souls fight bar none when combining multiple factors.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 23, 2019, 04:36:33 PM
It's a hard fight but I disagree. Other than having to deal with 2 enemies at once it's fine. Also +10 seems excessive. Isn't the max weapon lvl.+10? They aren't endgame bosses and pretty sure I didn't have max weapon level until the endgame.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2019, 04:40:49 PM
I don't know. I find them very hard and I'm using katanas and light armor. Maybe you got lucky with the RNG?

Either way, I beat them. :)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2019, 04:58:13 PM
TITTIES :jeb

MY REWARD FOR PERSEVERANCE :rejoice

https://youtu.be/pVhpNMqrXoI
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 23, 2019, 05:41:34 PM
What element katana? There’s a busted tree that kills every boss in like 5 slashes and is most broken weapon in entire souls series, which is probably why I didn’t struggle on that fight.

It’s

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Bleed element

Scaling is broken in DS1
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Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2019, 06:12:33 PM
I have no element on my sword.

Though it does create bleed.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 23, 2019, 09:43:24 PM
Hmm, maybe all Katanas cause bleed. Don't remember.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on December 25, 2019, 11:58:50 AM
Finally finished Death Stranding, so I've jumped back into BB.  Not sure how far I'm in it... Did a part where I died by some sack carrying guy and woke in some prison area??  Forgot the name already.. some Hidden village or something? 

On a side note, really tempted to scoop up Sekiro on sale right now..
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 25, 2019, 12:51:23 PM
Hmm, maybe all Katanas cause bleed. Don't remember.
Many dex weapons do, i think.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 26, 2019, 01:06:48 AM
This game is such an adventure. Found a coffin and rested in it and was dragged to some sarcophagus. So fucking metal.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 26, 2019, 10:44:02 AM
This game is such an adventure. Found a coffin and rested in it and was dragged to some sarcophagus. So fucking metal.

BTW for the next play through,
spoiler (click to show/hide)
that's how you can get a game breaking weapon as soon as you land in Firlink shrine.
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Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 26, 2019, 02:03:55 PM
Pinwheel was really easy. Feels good to have a break after S&O so I'm not complaining.  :doge

Also the dark area in the tomb of the giants after Pinwheel is more scary than Pinwheel.  :doge
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 27, 2019, 11:52:08 PM
Man, say what you want about the post-Anor Londo content, I really don't mind it. I took out multiple Capra Demons at once and felt like a damn God. This game is a classic and the post-AL stuff is not as bad as people say.

DS1 > BB, hate to say it
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 28, 2019, 01:31:47 AM
Pretty sure you haven't seen the worst yet or you would've commented

It's not that the 2nd half is bad (outside 1 area + boss), but that the second half just isn't as good as the first half stuff. I definitely like the 2nd half of DS outside the 1 unfinished area & boss.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 28, 2019, 01:45:50 AM
What's the worst?

Reached Lost Izalith.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 28, 2019, 02:08:06 AM
have fun
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 28, 2019, 04:42:29 AM
Bed of Chaos :whew

Also Lost Izalith got me to order a new LOTR boxset to read. DS1 got me in an LOTR mood for some reason??
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 28, 2019, 12:32:26 PM
Bed of Chaos :trash


Edit: I thought this was a FIGHT but it's a goddamn PUZZLE??
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 28, 2019, 12:47:17 PM
hahaha,

yeah that's the worst fight in the series. That final jump is a PoS!


And yeah, DS1 definitely gives off LoTR vibes. I ain't even gonna hate on your DS1 > BB because I think DS1 & BB are the best souls and could take either but I'm more a lovecraft person than LoTR so I prefer BB.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 28, 2019, 01:12:19 PM
Beat Bed. Only bad area but it is short and small so it's not too bad and doesn't scuff DS' nose.

My poor, poor Solaire. :fbm
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 28, 2019, 02:51:51 PM
Yes, I have the trilogy with comes with all dlc for all games.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread (Cindi beats DS1)
Post by: Himu on December 28, 2019, 03:42:33 PM
BTW this is what I have:

steelbox with all three games with dlc on it.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61Nk-zMS-qL._AC_SL1200_.jpg)

Great package.

I will also be purchasing this once I beat DS1. Going to take a Soul break and replay FFVII for the last time before the remake. Will be doing so on my original playstation and on CRT. :)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51SeBub-JOL.jpg)

I'm also buying this. It's out of print now so it'll be expensive but I love Souls 1 so much I know it will be worth it.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71-X22D4zqL.jpg)

So glad to give the game another shot. Playing through it has also coincided with the loss of my depression. For the past decade I've been very fatalist, caustic, and close-minded. And recently I've been opening my mind to new things and new experiences. I've been playing the game alongside that and it's been very transformative. Dark Souls is a very powerful game.

Giving Lord of the Rings trilogy another shot too. Haven't read since I was a teenager and hated it and thought it was a slog. Time to open my mind!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on December 28, 2019, 03:44:25 PM
Seems the Compendium is even more expensive than last time I checked.

Anyone have another copy? :(
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 28, 2019, 07:34:44 PM
Post-Anor Londo stuff is a step down in polish and design quality (although i still like Tomb of the Giants and the Archduke's Library is alright) but to me, it became especially evident in subsequent playthroughs, where every time i just burn through everything with a massive drive, up until O&S, and after them i just immediately lose any will power to actually finish the game.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on December 28, 2019, 11:09:53 PM
I've never understood the concept of "post-Anor Londo" when you can play the game in such different orders. There are quite a few areas that you could technically play before there, but which most people probably don't find until after (if ever). And the entire DLC, one of the best parts of the game, is impossible to play until after.

Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on December 28, 2019, 11:15:47 PM
I've never understood the concept of "post-Anor Londo" when you can play the game in such different orders. There are quite a few areas that you could technically play before there, but which most people probably don't find until after (if ever). And the entire DLC, one of the best parts of the game, is impossible to play until after.
The areas that require the Lordvessel.  :doge
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on December 28, 2019, 11:26:42 PM
I've never understood the concept of "post-Anor Londo" when you can play the game in such different orders. There are quite a few areas that you could technically play before there, but which most people probably don't find until after (if ever). And the entire DLC, one of the best parts of the game, is impossible to play until after.
The areas that require the Lordvessel.  :doge


Makes sense then. The only things that stood out to me were Bed of Chaos being trash and the library not being as polished in level design, but that's a tiny percentage of the game that you could leave until way after Anor Londo.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: chronovore on December 30, 2019, 06:42:32 AM
I like how the Blight town scene pops up and the frame rate drops all of a sudden.  :lol
Yeah, jesus. That was the first time I put the game down and quit. The framerate there made it nigh unplayable.

Smough and Ornstein :o
Having upgraded my Zwei to an Elemental weapon just prior to those two, they are the last place I quit the game.
…I'm still probably going to try and re-play it at some point.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 03, 2020, 09:27:24 PM
Great Hollow and Ash Lake fucking suck
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on January 05, 2020, 01:27:15 AM
Ash Lake is my favorite lore ambiance area in DS1. Being at the giant roots of the world is some Team Ico epic stuff.
And that music.

 :lawd

DS2/3 spoilers:
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also one of my favorite spots in DS2
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spoiler (click to show/hide)
Don't remember if it made an appearance in DS3
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Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 05, 2020, 01:32:35 AM
The music is great, true.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 05, 2020, 04:58:46 PM
Ok so I want to do New Londo but have no way to kill ghosts. Idk what to do
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 06, 2020, 03:10:49 AM
Took out Sif, found a talking cat, journeyed to the New Londo Ruins and found a dude talking about Four Kings.

The adventure never let up in this game.

Going to take out four Kings and then do the dlc
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 06, 2020, 01:30:56 PM
Beat the hydra. :)

I'd like to do dlc but have no idea where the archives are.

Also unflooded New Londo and made for the bonfire next to Valley of the Drakes <3
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 06, 2020, 08:45:47 PM
Four Kings :fbm
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 07, 2020, 02:57:00 AM
Dukes Archives - when Dark Souls turns into....Bloodborne?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on January 07, 2020, 12:57:00 PM
Haha, because they both have...a library?

Four Kings is definitely a challenging fight.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 07, 2020, 01:10:40 PM
No. A study hall where someone used experiments to turn humans into monsters specifically.

I beat Four Kings.

Put on Havel's armor and tanked it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 12, 2020, 03:59:57 PM
Seath the Scaleless. Cursed in a boss fight. That journey to the boss. Christ. :goty2
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 13, 2020, 12:43:00 AM
Beat Seath.

Have no idea where to go now but Tomb of the Giants?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 13, 2020, 04:11:13 PM
Nito :beli

People were right. The post AL content just isn't as good and the game itself suffers. It sucks because if there rest of the game were up to pre-AL standards of quality this would be a masterpiece. Instead it's just a great game. :(

I'm really bummed by this.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on January 13, 2020, 04:51:12 PM
Well, at least it's almost over. For what it's worth I really like the ending stuff.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 13, 2020, 05:06:39 PM
I still have the dlc so there's that to look forward to.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 14, 2020, 01:23:35 AM
I'm so...disappointed.

https://youtu.be/JwNcXkGcGzo

Most of my estus was used on bs hits (fall damage) more than the fight.

On a positive note, DLC boss 1 is already better than every post AL boss. Thank God
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on January 14, 2020, 02:08:49 AM
Did you do Painted World already?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 14, 2020, 02:09:47 AM
Did you do Painted World already?

Wtf is that
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on January 14, 2020, 02:23:30 PM
Did you do Painted World already?

Wtf is that
Yet another secret area you should do before the DLC.  ;)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 14, 2020, 02:24:34 PM
I'm already doing the DLC. Got up to Knight Artorias. Refreshing to do an actually well designed area again.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on January 14, 2020, 02:25:24 PM
Painted World is really nice.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Wasn't it also in DS3?
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Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 14, 2020, 02:48:56 PM
We need new info on the new RPG! It will have knights!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 14, 2020, 05:51:56 PM
Painted world was fantastic. Snow levels are always my favorite. <3

I should beat Knight Artorias tonight.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 15, 2020, 12:15:00 AM
https://youtu.be/lxo20hu6-Yo

Great fight. Feels almost like a BB fight because you never get any time to breathe during it.

Unfortunately got sloppy because of pressure and took a lot of dumb hits. Borys would be sad.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on January 15, 2020, 12:22:54 AM
Ya, I mean he is the cover of the DLC for a reason

(https://i.imgur.com/wReLzRtl.jpg)

He's also Beast Armor Guts

(https://i.imgur.com/HAaodvPl.jpg)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 15, 2020, 12:25:10 AM
Oh so that's the guy. Hard to tell!

Also, this dlc gets spooky! o_o
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2020, 02:35:19 AM
I hate Manus and don't find him fun unlike Artorias.

Edit:

:beli I googled how to deal with his magic because one attack took half my life with one hit and turns out you have to nullify with an item you get in a super secret, place tucked in a super obscure fashion. I tried to best him for two hours to no avail last night and after getting that item managed to beat him on second try. Utter bullshit fight. :beli

Now I've done everything and I'll fight Gwn tomorrow and bask in my reward of heavenly sun titties. :rejoice
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2020, 12:41:09 PM
Pleased to announced that I did not go Hollow.

I have beaten Dark Souls. Got both endings.

Very, very disappointed in the endings. I hate how the endings in Soulsborne games are 10 seconds long. I'm sorry but after a long journey, I've got the oldschool mindset that a ending should be a reward. Could you imagine if the ending to FFVI or VII was 10 seconds long? I'm not saying it needs to be a 20 minute ending like FFVI, but holy shit the ending, after all that build up and all you've been through, should at the very least be as long as the intro cutscene, which is a whopping 3 minutes long.

Let me get this straight. I go through all this, and light the first fire, which has built up the ENTIRE GAME, and the only scene I get is the room going on fire? FUCK THAT. I didn't even get to see more Gyndolin titty. :beli At least the dark ending is badass.

As for the actual game? The game is a classic. I'm very happy to have finally beaten it after all these years. It has flaws that ruin it post-AL so right now I don't find it to be a masterpiece, but it's definitely a fantastic game and a modern classic.

I ended up beating Asylum Demon without running away and got his hammer. lmao So maybe post-AL stuff is much better with prior knowledge.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2020, 12:59:10 PM
Check out the Wiki for plot/lore stuff if you haven't. DS1 is filled to the brim with great lore. I love the serpents. Did you find the hidden sun/moon priest?

I hate Manus and don't find him fun unlike Artorias.

Edit:

:beli I googled how to deal with his magic because one attack took half my life with one hit and turns out you have to nullify with an item you get in a super secret, place tucked in a super obscure fashion. I tried to best him for two hours to no avail last night and after getting that item managed to beat him on second try. Utter bullshit fight. :beli

Now I've done everything and I'll fight Gwn tomorrow and bask in my reward of heavenly sun titties. :rejoice

Yeah, I didn't like Manus either.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2020, 01:03:12 PM
Sun/Moon priest?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2020, 01:07:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwUm_S1fedw


Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2020, 01:35:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqhtBsxAZNo
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2020, 01:36:41 PM
Sun/Moon priest?

https://darksouls.wiki.fextralife.com/Dark+Sun+Gwyndolin
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2020, 01:47:58 PM
I missed this. :o
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2020, 02:05:13 PM
2 then 3. But I want to replay 1 as well.

FF7 now tho.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on January 16, 2020, 08:45:10 PM
I ended up beating Asylum Demon without running away and got his hammer. lmao So maybe post-AL stuff is much better with prior knowledge.


It definitely is. With prior knowledge you have a lot of choices. IIRC, it is possible to go to New Londo at the beginning of the game and have Four Kings be the first boss fight (although it would be really difficult). Or you could run straight to Tomb of the Giants at the start, picking up some weapons along the way. Or go straight for Blighttown and Ash Lake. By the way, I don't recall if you mentioned the Great Hollow, did you like that area? I love it, but I'm super forgiving of DS style platforming.

Personally I like doing Painted World and the DLC directly after AL, which I consider two of the best parts of the game, which counters any post-AL letdown.

My least favorite is Dukes Archives and Seath, so I want to put that off as long as possible. There is just something about that area that feels artificial, compared to the masterful level design in Blighttown, Sen's Fortress, and the whole connected parish areas. It doesn't help that the way you are forced to lose to Seath the first time is completely artificial.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2020, 09:48:02 PM
I liked dukes Archives and i talked about great hollow: it's shit
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Tuckers Law on January 16, 2020, 09:53:51 PM
For Cindi, now that you’ve finished DS1.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=M9x_koRZ2bA
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on January 16, 2020, 11:11:22 PM
Ha, missed that post since it was so concisely put. I do think Great Hollow is a mismatch with the game engine, and some of it is completely ridiculous (trying to land on tiny branches). Not sure why I like it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2020, 11:09:37 AM
What are good routes for a new game? Str build.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2020, 12:02:39 PM
Holy FUCK you can get to blighttown through valley of Drake's :o

Also amazing guide

https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls/comments/8ie6la/beginner_speedrun_guide_and_tips/?st=k5ide6lz&sh=34198fc7

Will start with Gargoyle speed runs

Right now though I just want to replay the game regular with my current knowledge. I'm not sure what a good starter weapon would be besides zweinhander. Eh. Longsword and lightning damage should be enough.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Tuckers Law on January 17, 2020, 01:22:44 PM
It’s more suited for a dex build, but uchigatana is one of the better weapons in the game and relatively easy to get pretty early on.

Although you could always go for maximum cool young dude and cheese your way to a Black Knight Sword or Black Knight Halberd really early too.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2020, 01:32:55 PM
I did a dex build last time and used katanas. I don't like them and I don't like how easiliy they chink. I hated having to constantly repair my weapon so I switched silver knight lance.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 17, 2020, 05:33:14 PM
Damn. I was wrong. This game is a masterpiece.

Got Gold pine resin via residence key -> Went to New Londo -> Drakes, picked up soul next to dragon -> took shortcut to Basin bonfire -> took out the black knight -> picked up grass crest shield -> leveled str to 24 -> wield zweiny -> took out gargoyles on first try

It was like poetry. So fast, so clean. The alternative methods of how you can progress at your own choosing makes this godsend and so much better than Bloodborne, where your options are far more limited.

Playing and mastering Dark Souls the first time is one thing. Playing it on subsequent runs is another. Bah gawd, it gets even better. :bow
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 18, 2020, 11:06:52 AM
Despite beating it, I can't let go.

Been watching Gargoyle runs and doing my own attempts. LOVE this game.

Not my run. This run is nothing short of perfection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LFt9Ykb4zE
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on January 18, 2020, 02:00:25 PM
I didn't replay DS1 (only souls I sorta replayed was Bloodborne in NG+ just to make it to the expansion pack), but I do basically 100% out the games and yeah the way everything is interlinked in DS1 is amazing and it's the best map design in the series by far.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 18, 2020, 02:48:58 PM
Got 100% the first play of DS1?? Playing blind??
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on January 18, 2020, 03:48:24 PM
DS1 and 2 are the most replayable souls-like, but 1 is still king on that front.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 18, 2020, 04:00:48 PM
https://youtu.be/umvifujEaxk

How'd I do? Died once because I fucked up.

Any tips to improve?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on January 18, 2020, 04:36:34 PM
Got 100% the first play of DS1?? Playing blind??

Hahaha, no.

I play Blind in Souls games until about 75%-80% where "endgame" basically starts. Since beating these games moves your save to a new loop and you can't go finish up exploring, at endgame I start checking out the wiki for A) wtf the story is and what is going on because I probably have no idea at this point, and B) any optional areas/bosses I've missed, and C) if I'm missing whatever items to max out my weapon, where to get the final mats I'm missing.

https://youtu.be/umvifujEaxk

How'd I do? Died once because I fucked up.

Any tips to improve?

Skimming through, looks like a good run!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 18, 2020, 04:40:53 PM
No offense but that doesn't sound fun.

Also a brand new save file > new game +

We all have preferences though so I won't belabor it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on January 18, 2020, 04:43:19 PM
Yeah, everyone's different. I wiki the fuck out of jrpgs and crpgs and most games in general that aren't just linear titles at some point because I only play games once and otherwise I'd miss a ton of content without wikis. I generally just try to avoid reading main story stuff so that part is still blind. Plus I like to keep the exploration blind as much as possible because yeah, exploring blind is fun like in Souls games.

Playing a Kiseki/Trails game without a wiki and missing all the secret quests each chapter...  :wag
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 18, 2020, 05:02:27 PM
How do you 100% Souls games on the first run though? Even if I did look up a wiki 70% up to the game, I still missed a lot the first time. Like the Catarina guy Onion knight at the entrance of Sen's. I didn't see him again the rest of the game and didn't finish his quest line. There are shop keepers I didn't even encounter in the game, and NPC's like some giant that talks to you. Since I was dex build, I was also unable to use magic and the magic npc's and pyromancer just sat there at the firelink. Apparently they also have quest lines and I didn't encounter them.

I didn't even meet Kaathe the first run despite beating Four Kings.

In Bloodborne I never found the little girls sister the first time. I also accidentally sent one NPC that doesn't trust you to his death and he never went to the Cathedral Ward.

I'm not quite sure how you could possibly 100% a Souls game even on the first run without using a guide the entire time.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on January 18, 2020, 06:13:18 PM
You're taking this too literally. I just mean do everything you can practically do in one playthrough not including any permenant missables earlier on.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on January 18, 2020, 06:42:52 PM
No offense but that doesn't sound fun.

Also a brand new save file > new game +

We all have preferences though so I won't belabor it.
Same, i find ng+ boring, better try out fresh new builds.
Exception being DS2 ofc. with its approach to ng+ being a tad different.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 18, 2020, 07:28:56 PM
I'm at a point where I consider these jrpgs. I see them as no different from and am playing it like an SMT game. The only difference is that it's an action rpg to me and not turn based.

Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 19, 2020, 02:33:22 AM
Holy fuck.

https://youtu.be/npsIg7uwHR8
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 19, 2020, 12:26:14 PM
Wish more went glitchless, though.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 19, 2020, 03:42:14 PM
DS1 > BB :yeshrug
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2020, 05:40:47 PM
Boss fights in BB are better
Combat is tighter in BB but more options in DS1
Map is better in DS1
Story is great in both

 :meeble
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 19, 2020, 07:05:51 PM
I think the combat is on par with each other. Boss fights I'll give you with BB but BB has less says to approach the fights themselves. DS1's area design, decision making, options. I also don't understand he w BB's story is on par. I had to look up YouTube videos to understand BB whereas youtube videos just reinforced my already held views of DS1's story. I feel DS1 communicates itself better as a story but that was probably the point - making BB confusing, I mean.

That said they're both great games but DS1 is very :delicious For me it's like choosing Pinot noir and Merlot.

I have no complaint about either. Basically From might be the best developer out there now. They make games that are decidedly for my tastes and unlike other Japanese developers (atlus, SE) they haven't sacrificed what made them good to begin with once they became popular.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on January 20, 2020, 06:52:03 AM
Boss fights in BB are better
Combat is tighter in BB but more options in DS1
Map is better in DS1
Story is great in both

 :meeble

Debatable.
They're great but get somewhat samey.
DS1 is very unpolished on that front tho.

DS3 is the best at bossfights, imo.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 21, 2020, 03:41:45 PM
This second run is more about beating DS1 as fast as possible.

Third run will be a lore run.

Drake sword is by far my favorite weapon.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 21, 2020, 05:45:23 PM
When you beat Sen's in one sitting after multiple attempts the first run. Only died once.  :doge
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 23, 2020, 12:26:27 PM
Whoever said S&O are easy on replays is a dirty liar.  :maf
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 24, 2020, 01:00:54 AM
I shot Gwynevere in the titty with an arrow, she "died", and now Anor Londo is in perpetual night.

:jeb

It was all an image. Bah gawd. Killed all her guards too, including the fire keeper.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on January 24, 2020, 03:18:02 AM
I shot Gwynevere in the titty with an arrow, she "died", and now Anor Londo is in perpetual night.

:jeb

It was all an image. Bah gawd. Killed all her guards too, including the fire keeper.

 :rejoice
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 26, 2020, 03:07:07 AM
Gwndolin at night is TERRIBLE GAME DESIGN
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 26, 2020, 03:07:22 AM
FUCK YOU BEBPO AND FROM SOFT

THIS IS BULLSHIT
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: bluemax on January 26, 2020, 08:29:25 PM
Gwndolin at night is TERRIBLE GAME DESIGN

FROM Soft with terrible Game Design? I am Jack's lack of surprise.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 27, 2020, 02:25:01 AM
Gwndolin at night is TERRIBLE GAME DESIGN

FROM Soft with terrible Game Design? I am Jack's lack of surprise.

This is the only moment in any From title I can legitimately say is bad.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on January 27, 2020, 02:27:05 AM
What's bad about it? I don't remember the fight other than it being a cool looking boss & lore.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 27, 2020, 02:36:48 AM
What's bad about it? I don't remember the fight other than it being a cool looking boss & lore.

When you kill Gwenevere it turns into night and you aggro the fire keeper.

The fire keeper is on the way to the stairs. I killed them.

Now when I fight Gwndolin and lose, even if I use the bonfire before the fog wall, I'm sent to the first bonfire of Anor Londo since the Firekeeper is dead. You cannot use this bonfire however so you cannot warp or anything.

So I travel, but in order to get to Gwyndolin, you have to turn the stair case, which is in a different position than coming from the first bonfire. So you have to travel from the first bonfire to the rafters, then turn the stairs, and then fight Gwndolin.

Fuck you Bebpo.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on January 27, 2020, 06:57:18 AM
It would probably be faster to run to a different bonfire (either Duke’s Archives or Sen’s Fortress, not sure which is closer) and warp from there.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on January 27, 2020, 09:16:01 AM
I'll have to buy black firebombs to take the stupid tusks out
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 11, 2020, 11:56:32 PM
Beat Gwybdolin, finishing off this run of DS1.

Started DS2 :doge
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2020, 01:19:54 AM
Impressions of DS2 so far:

This sucks.

Control changes for absolutely no reason. Jump run is L3? What the fuck. Confusing bad interface. Some thing with a torch with just has you go around a place you've already been to light torches. Very bloated. Weird/broken messaging/bloodstain system. I'll see a room full of messages and blood stains with zero enemies there and none of the messages make any sense. The layout of the place sucks balls so far. The controls are more weighted and just don't feel as good as DS1, BB, or Sekiro. Lifegems are INFERIOR to Estus. "Hey give me the slippery rock!" No one is there. The ability to fast travel out the gate after DS1 is a massive turn off. I can't level up at bonfires? What in the fuck.

So far? I don't like it. But I'll keep going.

(https://i.imgur.com/SNYbOyr.gif)

I love the dark ass intro and all, but this is not making a good first impression at all.

At least it looks nice.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: El Babua on February 12, 2020, 02:06:20 AM
At least get to the DLC  :doge
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on February 12, 2020, 08:21:10 AM
And DSII(SOTFS) was my gateway Souls game.  :doge  Never finished it though and don't really plan on it.   I would suggest skipping and going to DS3... but that's just me.  Time's too short and valuable.

Here's a small snippet of my time with it..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTd_T7ArVjU

I died 2 consecutive bowlshit deaths because of platforming... or lack thereof.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on February 12, 2020, 08:23:35 AM
Jump run is L3? What the fuck.
This is actually a good and needed change, and it became standard in subsequent games (although they let you choose i think).
Rolls and parries in DS2 are dog shit though.

Other elements like life gems or not leveling at bonfires are also somewhat standards in other games.
Demon's Souls had grass to cure yourself, and DS3 also uses the hub + maiden formula (from Demon's, BB etc) to level up.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2020, 10:08:13 AM
You find a way to level up asap in BB because bonfires transfer you to the dream. So that's an awful comparison. I have not found anywhere I can level up in DS2 yet. Demons or BB don't have estus but it's not bad like lifegems.

How is L3 to jump good? I use circle to jump in BB too. It's natural and simple.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: HardcoreRetro on February 12, 2020, 10:48:08 AM
You are probably still in the tutorial area.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2020, 10:51:22 AM
No, I found the emerald herald.

Took multiple talks but finally can level up.

Everyone ...in...this....game ..talks....so.....slooooowww.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2020, 10:54:22 AM
Why do NPCs not stick out in this game? Why do they blend into the environment? What is wrong with the developers of this game?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2020, 11:19:21 AM
Thank God you can change jump controls.

Also apparently you have to drop the the stone for the birds. Point me to a time when you ever have to drop anything for an NPC in DS1. DS2 is stupid because it breaks rules established in the previous game. Like how torches are handled.

I accidentally used up my first torch. Now not all the torches are lit and I have no other torch. I've looked all over the "town" for someone to sell a torch to no avail. The firekeepers also don't have torches. So now I can't best the tutorial area because I have no torches.

Game is stupid and so far, booty cheeks. Dark Souls 1 is a master class game of teaching by environment and context clues. DS2 is random shit with zero natural progression.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on February 12, 2020, 11:27:42 AM
You find a way to level up asap in BB because bonfires transfer you to the dream. So that's an awful comparison. I have not found anywhere I can level up in DS2 yet. Demons or BB don't have estus but it's not bad like lifegems.

How is L3 to jump good? I use circle to jump in BB too. It's natural and simple.
DkS2 also has Estus, life gems are a bonus, even if they make the healing sort of trivial (exactly like in Demon's).
Also Emerald is exactly the same as the Doll in BB, the maiden in Demon and DkS3, i'm not sure why it's an awful comparison.

I'm not even defending the game, it's the roughest of the bunch and has clear problems that have been talked to death, i'm just saying many of those things have either become standard, or carried over from other games.

Also jump with L3 is the way to go, release and press again with O is such a stupidly convoluted way to do it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2020, 11:31:33 AM
It's a bad comparison because in BB you go to the dream and instantly see a doll. It's hard to miss. Same as the maiden in Demons.

In DS2 you go to the second bonfire and have to wander all over the damn place and talk to some npc. She doesn't reveal you can level up with her until you talk to her an upward of THREE TIMES. Once again showing DS2's bafflingly stupid game design.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2020, 11:33:44 AM
I'm constantly having to Google what to do in this and this is the beginning and I have three soulsborne games under my belt.

Like "where do I get more torches dark souls 2"

"Smooth and silky stone dark souls 2"

"Where do I level up dark souls 2"

Game is ass
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on February 12, 2020, 12:05:05 PM
It's a bad comparison because in BB you go to the dream and instantly see a doll. It's hard to miss. Same as the maiden in Demons.

In DS2 you go to the second bonfire and have to wander all over the damn place and talk to some npc. She doesn't reveal you can level up with her until you talk to her an upward of THREE TIMES. Once again showing DS2's bafflingly stupid game design.
Oh, i thought you meant the system in itself (having to talk to an NPC to lvl up).
Yeah that type of shit plagues this game, buckle up.

Also, remember to bring your Agility to >90 if you want to use rolls at all, because they geniously tied iframes to it.
I kept it between 100 and 110, IIRC, having a roll based character.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2020, 12:26:36 PM
Installed Dark Souls III and made it to firelink in a short run.

That's the stuff. Feels so much better than DS2 already and doesn't appear to be designed by morons. It runs at 30 fps but combat feels so good. Control feel good again. Parry isn't worthless. There's no convoluted dog shit. Oh look, someone who levels you up and they're IN THE CENTER OF THE SCREEN AND NOT OFF ON SOME SIDE PATH.

It was just a taste and it'll be hard going back to the drek that is Dark Souls 2.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on February 12, 2020, 01:20:10 PM
Needs to be said that DkS2 has a lot of good stuff, among all the shit.
It's still a good game, just not amazing.

Still well worth going through it and its dlc.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 13, 2020, 03:17:06 AM
Definitely gets a bit better.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 14, 2020, 02:20:46 AM
:obama

Once you get used to the quirks it's not bad. It's actually pretty good. I've reached Last Bastille. The first two bosses were pretty easy. I enjoy the exploration. The exploration here isn't as good as DS1's but it's still pretty good in how the game smartly teases and allows new unlocks. I've unpetrified a pyromancer for instance. You have to note there's someone petrified and then actively buy a cure. Then you get a new character at the camp. Unlocking things seems to take a bit more effort in this game and it almost always feels rewarding so far.

There's a lot of things to miss in this too. Like, I couldn't beat the fire frog and I'm sure it has something special. There's lots of missables that really require searching beyond the beaten track to find such as the stamina ring I found. I've leveled up adaptability to 20 and now combat feels pretty damn smooth with no clothes on. I'm really enjoying this even if, so far, it's not as good as 1. But it's probably about as good as Bloodborne so far. I really enjoy the fact that you continuously get hollow and lose hp the more you die. It puts an even bigger price on death and makes you play better.

Negatives include:

- adaptability. Just a ridiculous stat requirement.
- enemy tracking, I would get hit by moves that the second boss did that should have never hit me.
- poor hit detection and hit stun. Often I'm hit and my character doesn't even react and yet I've taken damage. This is a really big flaw.
- slow speed in general, from the speed of the character as they run, to how slow downing an estus takes. Even with the stamina ring it felt like I wouldn't have a full stamina bar even if I didn't have my shield up and hadn't done an action in 5 seconds. It's just a very slow pace.
- even with light clothes my character is weighed down to normal roll. I can only get fast roll naked. This enhances the slow speed complaint.

And yet, at times, that slow pace is somehow a boon. Some times it feels truly like a turn based game in action form. I like that at times because it makes each decision have more weight.

Heard the beginning was hard as balls and I'm frankly confused as to why. It's standard Souls.

In fact, I'd say the game has a lot more dungeon crawl elements added, from the sheer numbers you often face. It reminds me of enemies using reinforcements in SMT, where you really, really need to be prepared and consider each encounter. Good shit.

Great game. Glad I've stuck with it and forced myself to get used to the game.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 14, 2020, 02:46:07 AM
Oh, one complaint.

Nothing really feels like home.

In DS1, firelink shrine feels like home away from madness. The soothing, almost melancholy music that hints as a smidgen of optimism? DS2's home place has no such music. It feels so empty and spread out. It's whatever. I really miss Firelink Shrine. :fbm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6GK8HhjQQE

Don't you dare go hollow  :)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on February 14, 2020, 05:23:10 AM
https://youtu.be/p9hoAyx3-0I

The music in Majula is similar.
I definitely warmed up to it, especially after you reach the toughest parts of the game, and you go back to it.

Also this is by far the most packed FROM game to date (for better or worse, as there's a lot of jank and some copy paste) by the time you've seen everything, it definitely feels like a massive journey.
I think to this day it's still the one i've sunk the most time into (about 500 hours?), despite 1 still being my favorite.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on February 14, 2020, 08:25:55 AM
From what I've played, I absolutely loved the music in DSII. 

As for Majula, never felt safe there with that little pig.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 14, 2020, 01:35:21 PM
I haven't heard any music at Majula.

So I went back to the beginning and fixed the petrified zombie, fought some basilisks, and and then lit all the torches. Then I go fight the big cyclops hippo and turns out there's TWO cyclops hippos. I turn back and there's a red invader?!?! I kill red invader and get a present. Heal up, go back to fight cyclops hippos, die a couple of times. Then a Pursuer spawns?!!? I get in the coffin and it changes my gender?!

 :notlikethis

What the fuck.

Also Pursuer's are over used. I've fought three already. Just beat one at Lost Bastille. Also the idea of the game adding a random enemy when I'm trying to beat the regular enemies is baffling from a Soulsborne game design perspective.

On the other hand, I love that Humanity is actually USEFUL in DS2. I never needed it in 1 because I never summon. Humanity serves actual utility now.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 14, 2020, 01:36:10 PM
Also kudos to the developers for putting a Yoshitaka Amano character in Souls? ???
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on February 14, 2020, 01:48:40 PM
Cindi are you playing the regular game or the Scholar version? Because i don't remember any Pursuer in Bastille, but i remember Scholar reshuffled the enemy position of a lot of stuff, so that could be it.
Also weird about no music in Majula, it should start as soon as you get there at the start of the game, IIRC.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 14, 2020, 01:49:43 PM
Scholar
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on February 14, 2020, 03:02:15 PM
Ah, i see i played the regular game, so a lot of enemy placements will probably be different.
I think they spammed a lot of enemies in the Scholar to try and make it "more interesting" unfortunately, i'm not sure if there's a way to play in regular mode, so to speak.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 15, 2020, 03:02:24 AM
I beat some beach with a bunch of knights, found a cleric.

Honestly, the more I play the more I find it underwhelming. By this point in the gsme DS1 was incredible. It's okay and standard Souls, so I like it. But is it a great Souls game? At least so far, no.

To extrapolate this point, I beat the forest of the Giants. Okay. So I get carried off to Lost Bastille like how you are carried off to Anor Londo after beating Sen's. Okay. So I do some stuff and get to a dead end. I can't unlock the door. There's a statue. I ran out of tree so I can't unpetrify it without spending lots of cash. So now I've been carried to some place only to get stuck. Which is baffling because the only reason to get carried off to begin with is because to continue the story.

But nope. Everything in this game appears to be a grind. Have to beat pursuers, have to pay highly expensive items to regularly unlock new items or characters. It's like regularly having to buy Crest of Artorias'. It's such baffling design.

I fought the boss of the beach place and almost fell asleep. Take the back, for free?? Okay. Wail on him, wait for him to attack, dodge, punish, repeat. By this point in Bloodborne I would have fought Blood Starved Beast.

This almost feels less like a B team game and more like a C team game.

It's a sequel that doesn't remotely understand why people love the first one.

I'm starting to think people that feel DS2 is the best Souls game are sniffing glue.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Don Rumata on February 15, 2020, 05:19:38 AM
It's less to do with the whole "B-Team" nonsense, and more to do with the fact that they had to scrap and start over halfway through development, so it's basically rushed through, and you can tell since it doesn't lack ideas, just polish.
It's still the worst soul game tho.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 15, 2020, 07:02:24 PM
The more I play the game the more it reveals itself to be dog shit.

I watched this review and it is spot on.

I'll push through good god can't wait for DS3.

https://youtu.be/cLQ_82Lnz4U

I will say that in some examples I see some reviewers saying enemy placement is bad and mobs:;etc. When they're clearly rushing and not examining their environments. I saw someone bitch about the beginning of the forest of Giants and being ganged up on when I took those dudes out one by one because I'm not dumb and it was easy as shit.

In fact, that's my biggest complaint. Game is smooth brain Souls.  That's not to say previous games were hard as fuck but they challenged me and I felt accomplished. I have yet to feel celebratory playing DS2. And the challenges I do have make no sense and make me say,"this game is fucking stupid."

Oh look another stoned person I'll have to spend 12k to save. Stupid fucking grind ass grind brainless game.

If you can't tell,  I dislike it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on February 15, 2020, 07:06:14 PM
DS2 is a pretty good game.

Has the largest build variety, interesting lore and settings, has some cool areas/bosses.


It has a few bad sections (holy hell the missile spam part near the end jfc and that's with the toned down scholar edition), the DLC2 wolves fight is the worst goddamn thing in all of souls (trek out 5 mins in the snow for one attempt where you can die in 10 seconds and then have to do the trek each time) and the graphics are pretty shitty, also some physics/collision issues that show it was definitely rushed/unfinished.

Still a solid B+ even as the worst Souls game.

Probably would never bother replaying it though. But the experience the first time was pretty neat. Some real cool bits in there.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 15, 2020, 07:33:53 PM
The game definitely is on the brink of kusoge.

Shit has no concept of things like rules. Dark Souls and by extension rpgs are all about rulesets.

Dark Souls 2 continuously breaks rules without one hint of explanation. At Heide you encounter white knights just sitting there that don't attack unless provoked. Fine. Beat the boss and they now go aggro. Why? Is there a lore reason? Is there a gameplay reason? No. It's just stupidity. Dark Souls 2 is full of shit like this. Where it breaks its rules with seemingly no explanation. Another example is enemies not respawning after a certain point. Why? Is there a lore reason?

Dark Souls 2 shoves as much random shit in as possible making a world that is not consistent or reliant on a ruleset

And Beige itself? Just a literal scenic place that's a goddamn tunnel. In fact pretty much all the locales wonder besides Forest of the Giants are linear hallways with no sense of progression. Gone is the multi-pathed approach that allows mastery of a locale. How many ways are there to Undead Parish? Or Blighttown?

Dark Souls 2 is kusoge. Who really cares about "build variety" if that's the case?

Bad Souls game? No. Bad RPG. Rpgs subsist on rules. What are they otherwise?

The FFXIII of Souls
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Bebpo on February 15, 2020, 07:42:27 PM
 :rimshot
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Himu on February 16, 2020, 01:48:03 PM
This game stretches what is considered a "good game". This game is utter balls. No Man's Wharf is terrible. Pincer attack after pincer attack. Trap after trap. Ambush after ambush. Just throw enemy numbers at the situation. Soulsborne is great because generally it's a game of knowledge and observation. Count the enemy numbers and plan a plan of action. Here, I will trigger enemy ambushes where they normally weren't even there because the game operated under its own flawed ruleset. The game is the definition of unfun. I just cleared an entire keep in No Man's Wharf with no reward in it.

Kusoge.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on February 16, 2020, 02:37:46 PM
I unlocked the shortcut at no man's wharf and it was the least fun thing I've ever done in a Soulsbourne game.

Fans of this game are smoking crack.

It's such an unfun cheap fest. You know how in turn based rpgs you'll some times get a surprise encounter? Like a back attack? Those are cool. But what if you made an entire dungeon based off that formula?

https://youtu.be/fXmCRj9_MOk

Surprise attack surprise attack surprise attack surprise sttack

Shit game.

That's not to say surprise attacks are bad. They're fantastic and one of my favorite parts of rpgs. Bloodborne had this.

https://youtu.be/FuniGF7Y1nY

Why does this work? Bloodborne occasionally does jump scares and it's always satisfying. Why does it work? Because souls games almost always play their cards close to their chests. They're made so that you know the precise numbers, with adaquete scouting and getting information of the encounter before it even happens. So that the surprises are actually just that - unexpected. In DS2 they throw numbers and constant pincer attacks even with accurate information and scouting.

Therefore, your information is pointless. But finding information and executing a plan is why the games are fun. If the game constantly throws up and shits its pants to throw you off then it's not fun.

The above video embodies that. Just lazy design because lol PrePeRrr 2 DiEee

DIE, BART. DIE!!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on February 16, 2020, 06:27:06 PM
I'm skipping this and playing III instead. Life is too short to play dog shit.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: El Babua on February 16, 2020, 09:50:25 PM
No man's wharf isn't even close to as bad as it gets either lmao

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I remember it as another unremarkable area where the whole buildup of firing up the big light ended up being useless because of the borked lighting system
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Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on February 17, 2020, 01:33:06 AM
Decided that hey, maybe I'm wrong and decided to pop it in tonight.

https://youtu.be/tmJlBmcgR-I

Nope. Look how much stamina each attack and roll does. I feel so limited in this game. Even with a stamina ring it's soooo slow. I'm limited to one, maybe two slashes because I might need to roll. And against an HP sink of an enemy this makes combat tediously dull even when it's mind numbingly easy.

Compare to my fight with Havel.

https://youtu.be/1N6Wb5IV9FY

Look how smooth it is. Look how fast my stamina bar increases. Look how many actions I can do.

Dark Souls 2 is not fun, feels like shit, and so far isn't even dark. Booty cheeks.

Dark Souls 3 time.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on February 21, 2020, 03:42:14 PM
Dark Souls 3 is pretty good stuff. It's exactly what I want out of Soulsborne. It doesn't feel like Souls though. The aesthetic is more like Bloodborne. Still great however.

But at this point, Dark Souls 1 might be a top 5 game for me.

The game resonated with me at a point where I needed something like it in my life and it reminded me that life is worth living. One of the most powerful messages I've ever received from a game. 2, 3, Bloodborne, and Sekiro don't have that messaging for me. I think Dark Souls 1 stands alone in the series and transcends beyond it. I love Soulslikes but Dark Souls 1 is in a class of its own and neither 2 or 3 or even BB are as good.

And that's fine.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on February 21, 2020, 04:15:02 PM
Yes, they're strong af.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Akala on February 21, 2020, 05:42:49 PM
I was never huge on these games, but it wasn't for lack of trying. I think I may kind of like them now?

I got about halfway (?) through Demon's back in the day, got to a point where it lost me and never really went back. I tried DS1 on release, but never got very far...maybe minotaur way in the early game. Came away thinking it was a frustrating, obtuse, and janky mess. I picked up Bloodborne due to pretty much universal praise but while I dug the aesthetic, the opening stretch made me swear off souls bullshit forever. I have no control so also picked up DS2 and 3 likely for good prices on black friday or something but they were both in wrappers.

Last December I picked up a copy of DS1 switch for $13ish. Decided to give it another spin and really got into it for a while, although I did look at a few YouTubes. Realized yeah, there is skill involved, but just as important is knowing the flow of the game and having correct equipment/leveling...at least to get to like the halfway points.  :lol

Anyway, I got all the way to blighttown and it kind of lost me and I took a break. I tried DS3 and really liked it, got to tree boss of undead settlement which destroyed me. Soon after that I decided to give BB another shot and fell in love all the way until just after killing Rom. I think it's losing me, but maybe I just don't like the level. I need to get back to it.

The Surge is pretty OK too, although I think I need to focus on BB or DS1 before getting too far in (I am just past first boss I think).

The moral of the story is I need to stop buying shit cause I am in the middle of too many of these now.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on February 22, 2020, 04:18:51 PM
I'm still playing it. I'm at Undead Settlement. Solid and fun area, hate the enemy character design.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on February 22, 2020, 06:57:55 PM
Although I haven't finished BB or Sekiro yet, at the moment, from what I've played, DS3 is still the best... It clicked pretty hard.  I really ought to get the dlc.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on February 23, 2020, 02:27:22 AM
Curse rotted greatwood is a horrible fight.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on February 23, 2020, 03:14:46 AM
How? I'm into swords. Yes it's easy but just a pain. So slow.

Beat it and now figuring out where to go. Got the tower key.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on February 24, 2020, 05:29:34 PM
I tried all sorts of swords... but kept going back to Hollowslayer Greatsword..  LAWD that sword was perfect   :lawd  Finished the rest of the game with it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on February 24, 2020, 05:40:29 PM
How? I'm into swords. Yes it's easy but just a pain. So slow.

Beat it and now figuring out where to go. Got the tower key.

In case you didn't figure it out, take the elevator down in that one tower where you meet the onion Knight, fight the frost knight thing, and proceed onwards to the Road of Sacrifices.

Yeah i've done it

Also hollowslayer greatsword appears to be a dex weapon. i'm leveling up str. I got me a club and it wrecks shit. I love the slower gameplay it forces me to play and reminds me of DS1.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on February 24, 2020, 10:08:07 PM
Yeah I never do magic builds. I'll be doing magic next Souls 1 run.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on February 25, 2020, 01:50:27 AM
Holy fuck this forest/swamp at road of sacrifices duck it rocks
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: El Babua on February 25, 2020, 02:15:48 PM
I really liked the more open environments DS3 introduced. The first couple areas of the game really shine in that regard.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on February 25, 2020, 02:19:04 PM
I really liked the more open environments DS3 introduced. The first couple areas of the game really shine in that regard.

Far better than what DS2 had going. Even if it doesn't connect like DS1, it's still great BB-esque design.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 02, 2020, 03:34:53 PM
https://twitter.com/roxiqt/status/1233521958882508803
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: thisismyusername on March 02, 2020, 08:44:29 PM
Did Cindy try Demon's? IMO that's the Peak of the series.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: remy on March 02, 2020, 08:50:04 PM
Some people may disagree with this, but the Lothric Princes are a tougher boss fight than Ornstein and Smough.

I died a decent number of times against O&S like everyone else, but I beat them the same day I first attempted them, after maybe 1-2 hours of trying.

With my current character, I've been stuck against L&L for a lot longer. I gave up and went and did the DLC first. Friede was easier than these fucking brothers. I've made more progress against Nameless King than against these fucking brothers.


They just hit so hard, so frequently, and from anywhere in the room due to teleporting and beam attacks that go through the pillars. It's like if you gave Bloodborne's Abhorrent Beast a beam attack in addition to his infinite stamina, infinite tracking regular bullshit. I almost broke a controller after the 10th time Lorian teleported away, then hit me with an offscreen OHKO energy wave before I could even find him again.

Nah, I'm with you. last time I played DS1 I steamrolled fatty and thinny but those stupid fucking princes must have whooped my ass over like 50 times in DS3
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on March 02, 2020, 09:19:40 PM
The princes took me about 2-3 tries... Nameless King though?   :stahp

And the dancer... Fuck that thing.. Love the armor set though.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: toku on March 15, 2020, 10:11:33 PM
https://gfycat.com/animatedellipticalcod
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Don Rumata on March 15, 2020, 10:20:21 PM
https://twitter.com/roxiqt/status/1233521958882508803
https://youtu.be/cUdtMm3Y9G4

 :wag
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: toku on May 09, 2020, 09:05:00 PM
https://youtu.be/6hDIvDPRcPA
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on May 09, 2020, 09:21:01 PM
Some people may disagree with this, but the Lothric Princes are a tougher boss fight than Ornstein and Smough.

I died a decent number of times against O&S like everyone else, but I beat them the same day I first attempted them, after maybe 1-2 hours of trying.

With my current character, I've been stuck against L&L for a lot longer. I gave up and went and did the DLC first. Friede was easier than these fucking brothers. I've made more progress against Nameless King than against these fucking brothers.


They just hit so hard, so frequently, and from anywhere in the room due to teleporting and beam attacks that go through the pillars. It's like if you gave Bloodborne's Abhorrent Beast a beam attack in addition to his infinite stamina, infinite tracking regular bullshit. I almost broke a controller after the 10th time Lorian teleported away, then hit me with an offscreen OHKO energy wave before I could even find him again.

Nah, I'm with you. last time I played DS1 I steamrolled fatty and thinny but those stupid fucking princes must have whooped my ass over like 50 times in DS3

This is where I stopped played ds3. Just couldn't be bothered and didn't feel like I came closer really
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on May 26, 2020, 02:37:54 PM
I've been replaying DS3 with a magic/pyro character (used melee the first time). It's crazy how much easier most of the bosses are when you can just shoot them from a distance.

The only bosses who were still hard were the twin princes, the demon princes, and Midir. Those three are actually harder than using melee, because either they are fast and aggressive enough to punish all your casting animations (princes) or they resist literally every ranged spell in the game (Midir).

I've also been experimenting with stupid pvp builds. My favorite so far was equipping the magic/pyro character with weapons they don't have the str/dex to use. It turns out even if you don't have enough stats to use the weapon, you can still swing it, you still get poise from it, and you still do elemental damage with it. So a character with 0 str/dex can still swing an elemental ultra weapon for decent damage. More importantly just by having a gigantic weapon in hand, you scare people from getting close, which lets you hit them with your real threat, the magic/pyro.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 26, 2020, 03:32:58 PM
DS2 might be my favorite of them.  DS1 is the better game but both are better than 3. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on May 26, 2020, 03:34:41 PM
DS2 might be my favorite of them.  DS1 is the better game but both are better than 3.

Interesting.

I like DS2 so not gonna hate on that take, but I think you're probably one of the 5 people in the world with that take.
What didn't you like about 3 compared to 2?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 26, 2020, 05:23:06 PM
3 was too easy for like 90% of the game.  Only the DLC was really challenging.  The combat was way too rolly.  This is exactly what I liked about 2 which made it so you had to be more economical with your movements. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on May 26, 2020, 06:13:04 PM
Yeah, 3's definitely more agile build focused. 2 was tougher but a lot of that was because of the few bullshit sections like the magic missile spam. 3 still had some challenging bosses, but yeah 2 is tougher.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on June 11, 2020, 10:56:09 PM
Some screen shots of Demon's Souls remake...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://assets.vg247.com/current//2020/06/demons_souls_ps5_reveal_screen_3.jpg)

(https://assets.vg247.com/current//2020/06/demons_souls_ps5_reveal_screen_1.jpg)

(https://assets.vg247.com/current//2020/06/demons_souls_ps5_reveal_screen_2.jpg)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/583760147994902528/720772324776870108/demons_souls_ps5_reveal_screen_5.png)
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Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2020, 10:58:44 PM
:drool
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: remy on June 12, 2020, 12:35:31 AM
It looks crazy fucking tasty.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 12, 2020, 12:48:09 AM
404 Soul not found.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Thirty-Ought-Six on June 24, 2020, 10:37:57 PM
Quote
(https://i.imgur.com/xze8nhQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ioBpGDb.jpg)

Playing through Dark Souls again, I'm amazed how many things I've never done. This is the first time I completed Siegmeyer's quest, first time I kept Solaire alive, and first time I killed Priscilla. Feeling a little dirty about that last one.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 06, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
...so I fucking bought Bloodborne and I don't REALLY suck at it, but I do have lazy tendencies. Keeping my focus 100% on what's going on and the environment seems to be a necessity in this game and I, uh, am lazy and shit. I'M OLD AND MY ATTENTION WANDERS.

I'm still early on in the game, about to fight the Blood-starved Beast. Cleric Beast wasn't tough for me for whatever reason ("only" two tries) but Father Gascoigne's speed was not something I was good at dealing with. In general, the slower enemies (brick trolls or whatever) I tend to easily deal with and swarms of faster enemies give me problems.

The game is obviously incredible and on the short list for game of the generation. I'm going to seriously try to finish it but if it gets too absurd I can see myself rage quitting. WILL REPORT BACK LATER.

ETA: I am stubborn and pissy and will not ever summon other hunters or engage in pvp because fuck you I hate other actual human beings and would rather pound my dick into mush with a mallet than play games with people.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on July 06, 2020, 10:46:02 AM
I'm about halfway through BB, but stopped to play other games, but I enjoyed the piss out of what I did play.  I really want to jump back in, but now with PSFif around the corner, I'd rather wait to finish it on there with them boostsesessz.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 06, 2020, 12:08:15 PM
I thought about that and I may end up in that boat, but I'm really digging it so far and the likelihood of me buying a PS5 at launch (or even in the first year tbh) are slim
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on July 06, 2020, 02:03:45 PM
...so I fucking bought Bloodborne and I don't REALLY suck at it, but I do have lazy tendencies. Keeping my focus 100% on what's going on and the environment seems to be a necessity in this game and I, uh, am lazy and shit. I'M OLD AND MY ATTENTION WANDERS.

I'm still early on in the game, about to fight the Blood-starved Beast. Cleric Beast wasn't tough for me for whatever reason ("only" two tries) but Father Gascoigne's speed was not something I was good at dealing with. In general, the slower enemies (brick trolls or whatever) I tend to easily deal with and swarms of faster enemies give me problems.

The game is obviously incredible and on the short list for game of the generation. I'm going to seriously try to finish it but if it gets too absurd I can see myself rage quitting. WILL REPORT BACK LATER.

ETA: I am stubborn and pissy and will not ever summon other hunters or engage in pvp because fuck you I hate other actual human beings and would rather pound my dick into mush with a mallet than play games with people.

It's my GOTG and restored my love for games. Keep going. Patience is good, it means reflexes don't matter as much as knowledge.

Also fuck summoning. I beat all of BB and all dlc without doing it. It will teach the game and will make you a better player.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: curly on July 17, 2020, 11:28:36 PM
Think I'm finally getting the hang of Sekiro after many, many hours of beating my head against the wall. I knew coming in that it wasn't Souls combat and blocking and deflecting were important but it took me so long to stop instinctively spamming dodge and circling behind the enemy. Really good game tho.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 19, 2020, 09:12:06 PM
https://kotaku.com/yarntown-is-a-free-2d-zelda-like-remake-of-bloodborne-1844433846

:leon
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 20, 2020, 06:46:00 PM
Started Sekiro.  This is fun.  More Ninja Gaiden than Dark Souls. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 21, 2020, 02:12:10 PM
Ok this is kicking my ass.  I'm past the bull and Seven Spears and the one arm sword guy in the well are both killing me over and over.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 21, 2020, 09:34:11 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/jqbjfx9rl9c51.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=523e61fe617a7680f29615f78e953ddf2b571845)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 22, 2020, 08:41:13 PM
This guy with the bow is being a huge dick. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on September 10, 2020, 11:38:50 AM
I keep forgetting this game is coming!  :lol  Sounds more and more likely this'll be a PS5 launch title...

(https://images.pushsquare.com/d58024cc71e44/demons-souls-ps5-2.original.jpg)

(https://images.pushsquare.com/c621856d0e9d1/demons-souls-ps5-1.original.jpg)

 :drool

And possible box art...

(https://images.pushsquare.com/67181c7ec68e9/demons-souls-ps5-box-art.original.jpg)
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/09/two_new_demons_souls_ps5_screenshots_have_shown_up_alongside_placeholder_box_art
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Tuckers Law on September 11, 2020, 09:47:39 PM
I’m excited to watch people who didn’t play the original, especially for those seminal Demon’s Souls moments like running into that first red eye knight, invaders breaking all your shit with the scraping spear, and the entire start-to-finish experience in Latria.

 :lawd
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: El Babua on September 12, 2020, 12:28:23 AM
Hopefully Bluepoint doesn't fuck any of it up!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Don Rumata on September 12, 2020, 01:49:35 AM
Demon's is such a basic Souls experience, as i said in the other thread, most of the ideas popped up (usually polished up) in subsequent games.
Poison areas, most of the bosses, gimmick enemies, Yurt/Lautrec... playing through it now will probably feel like going through the prototype for the rest of the series, for most people.

Though we have to see how much BluePoint updated/changed.

That said, DeS is still a game with a great, dark atmosphere, and as pointless as i still think it was to remake it, it's still probably the best looking next gen game coming out at (or near) launch so far.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: El Babua on September 12, 2020, 02:00:14 AM
Both Latria and Shrine of Storms are GOAT souls areas. Tower of Latria in particular is still one of the very few perfect levels in a video game.

Scary, amazingly designed and had surprises that subverted elements you experienced in the other levels - stuff most developers would save for a sequel.

If I trusted Bluepoint more, I'd want them to expand upon it and fuck with us with new surprises. But I have to see gameplay first before reserving judgement.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 12, 2020, 12:02:49 PM
Every time I see the thread title I get triggered
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on September 12, 2020, 03:09:21 PM
Found a copy of DS Remastered that fell out the back of the digital truck to try on my PC.  :pimp  Looking forward to trying it...

I really want to get back to BB (close to halfway through it), but a part of me would like to wait and see if PS5 will boost it some... But then again, with Halloween around the corner, it would fit my gaming mood perfectly.   :P

Which brings me to ask you peeps..
Dark Souls Remastered or Bloodborne?  Which one's more the Souls priority? 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on September 12, 2020, 05:07:55 PM
idk, both are the best Souls games.

Dark Souls 1 is a lot easier so probably easier to get into and finish. Bloodborne is pretty hard until the last 1/3rd or so when you max your weapon level.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: paprikastaude on September 14, 2020, 01:53:04 PM
I just couldn't ever get DS because it's already been a step too far into generic western fantasy for me, which is my most hated setting alongside playing as Japanese high schoolers. DeS was the one I would've wanted to catch up on after Bloodborne, because it at least seemed to have a more distinct horror atmosphere. Now with the remake I don't know. Several things in the trailer looked like they were turned into generic WoW shit, designwise. But some screens like that are slightly reassuring? :idont

(https://images.pushsquare.com/d58024cc71e44/demons-souls-ps5-2.original.jpg)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on September 14, 2020, 02:42:10 PM
Literally dabbled at the beginning of DS Remastered...  Shame on me, but it looks kinda ugly... Not sure if it's how they Remastered it, but it just looks ...poor.  The 60fps looks great, but man.. I don't know if it's the texture rework or the shading/lighting they use...  I was saying shame on me, because I easily fall into my graphic whoreismo, and I become highly picky.  Not sure if I can do this...  DS3, and even BB, just look sooo much better.  Just feels like a big step back in the visual department.  :larry 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Tuckers Law on September 14, 2020, 11:29:04 PM
Generic WoW shit?   :lol


(http://media.tenor.com/images/b77f71c399e750b027245d88a4567af6/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on September 15, 2020, 06:11:30 AM
Dark Souls is not generic fantasy at all. Holy shit
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on September 15, 2020, 07:58:44 AM
Now I'm wondering if BluePoint will up the options some when it comes to character creation..  I like having colorful pigment options for hair... It's always a bummer to be restricted to more natural tones. (Like Bethesda and Bioware games  :yuck)  Yes... I want my sky blue hair.  It's in DS3 and BB after all.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: paprikastaude on September 15, 2020, 08:35:10 AM
Generic WoW shit?   :lol


(http://media.tenor.com/images/b77f71c399e750b027245d88a4567af6/tenor.gif)

:jeanluc

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/THbN28qwNzU/maxresdefault.jpg)

(https://external-preview.redd.it/DBRmRN1gbwzHEgKuxXIyO64_VOex7HnXCPiGcxUW0IQ.png?auto=webp&s=fd87641ecacbdfab83769a17bfcda020ecf1182d)

(https://i.imgur.com/ChKW1cm.png)

:jeanluc

Like a Blizzard game in the remake. Or at best - in the last shot - like DS3. Which is not what I ever got out of what I've been demonstrated of DeS.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on September 15, 2020, 09:09:54 AM
I mean... they have valid points (the notes above the pics), but you could also look at it like, they had limited resources to work with back then.. less polys to make a building/tower, so they justify it by stating it's a defense tower, not a cathedral!  :lol  Again, I don't disagree with what they're saying, as it makes sense, but this is a fantasy game through and through.. Make the mundane shit as pretty/ugly with all the bells and whistles as possible... because it's fantasy...why not.  I don't see that as a good enough reason to justify not getting it...   ...Unless BluePoint totally butchers the gameplay, but I don't see that happening.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Tuckers Law on September 15, 2020, 10:58:39 AM
Most everything in AAA games was shitty-brown, grey and colorless when Demon’s Souls released.  And even when you add in some color, the game still looks almost nothing like WoW.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on September 15, 2020, 11:50:32 PM
Oh wow.. just realized that top pic.. I had the comparisons backwards.   :kobeyuck   :doge
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Don Rumata on September 15, 2020, 11:59:43 PM
In game Dragon God isn't that different from the remake's, red eyes an all, at least in terms of design, ofc. the graphics are what they are.
https://youtu.be/pRVsg4aW5_Y
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on September 16, 2020, 07:34:47 AM
Yeah, the OG CG intro just looks to have a more organic look to it (at least based on that pic)... The in game one... looks the way it looks I suppose.

I just wonder how much freedom they gave BluePoint to mess with/alter the original designs...  SOTC was practically 1:1 with their Colossus designs, but I suppose they had to seeing as they were the star gameplay elements of the game and needed to be kept the way they are...
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: El Babua on September 16, 2020, 05:02:10 PM
The gameplay in the Demon's Souls remake looked off.

Like graphically it looks amazing, but I don't know if Bluepoint "gets it". Hit detection and animation looked iffy and certain attacks from enemies weren't as effective as it was in the original. For example, the shield bash the blue eyed knight does broke your posture on PS3, but in this one you can just tank 3 in a row and be fine?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: MMaRsu on September 16, 2020, 05:06:40 PM
Probably had cheats enabled for demo purposes

Which is why there was no HUD
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: El Babua on September 16, 2020, 05:13:42 PM
Yeah, hopefully.

Demon's Souls is top 10 for me so I don't want them to fuck it up
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on September 16, 2020, 05:14:25 PM
The gameplay in the Demon's Souls remake looked off.

Like graphically it looks amazing, but I don't know if Bluepoint "gets it". Hit detection and animation looked iffy and certain attacks from enemies weren't as effective as it was in the original. For example, the shield bash the blue eyed knight does broke your posture on PS3, but in this one you can just tank 3 in a row and be fine?
Yeah.. Even though I haven't played DeS, when he was blocking, there was little to no feedback or resistance with regular scrub enemies... looked weird... Is the PS3 version like that?
...
Still can't wait to play it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Don Rumata on September 16, 2020, 05:24:30 PM
The gameplay in the Demon's Souls remake looked off.

Like graphically it looks amazing, but I don't know if Bluepoint "gets it". Hit detection and animation looked iffy and certain attacks from enemies weren't as effective as it was in the original. For example, the shield bash the blue eyed knight does broke your posture on PS3, but in this one you can just tank 3 in a row and be fine?
So they get it.  ;)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: El Babua on September 16, 2020, 05:27:43 PM
Nah, FROMs hit detection outside of DS2 is top tier baby
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Don Rumata on September 16, 2020, 06:38:05 PM
Nah, FROMs hit detection outside of DS2 is top tier baby
Plenty of bullshit grab moves outside of DS2.  :doge
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2020, 07:28:41 PM
Demons looks great
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on October 11, 2020, 01:40:30 PM
Dammit...  BB is just that good, isn't it.. :lawd

After picking it back up, I've made some progress.  Defeated Vicar Amelia and the 2 hunters camped out to the right of that boss chamber (lighting weilding one).  Made it down to Hemwick Charnel area...  The vibes here are totally scratching the halloween gaming itch I get this time of year.   To top it off though, I just got Ludwig's Holy Blade.  That sword owns some shit. :pimp
Never would have thought I'd enjoy this game as much as I have of late. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread
Post by: Svejk on October 25, 2020, 08:55:31 PM
Shadows of Yharnam easy as shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5uXJo5pL7I

Fantastic fight tho
After reading through this thread lately playing BB, and watching this vid randomly, I want to thank you for posting it as it helped me get past them my first try.  I didn't even realize that I was at this particular boss fight till I saw the names pop up. Lol

https://youtu.be/n0d1YQVzkhc

The forbidden woods area is nuts. I need to go back and check more nooks and crannies.  I'm so damn impressed with this game.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on October 28, 2020, 12:18:11 PM
Found Iosefka's Clinic.  Pretty cool how it branches right to the beginning area and ties up a little side story. 
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on November 01, 2020, 01:46:49 AM
Got to Castle Cainhurst... Haven't fought the boss there yet, but got back to Bergenwyrth and did the Moonside Lake boss..  Now I can't access Hypogean Gail anymore, but opened up Yahar'gul, Unseen Village, Lecture Building and Nightmare frontier... But now when back in Yharnham, I see these giant spider alien looking creatures hanging off random buildings and hear constant baby cries....
WTF is going on in this game?!?
 :existential
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on November 05, 2020, 09:13:42 AM
Figured I'd post this here instead of the PS5 thread...

More Demon's Souls character creator and photomode details...  FUCK YIS.   :rejoice

With this new character creator, you will be able to customize your appearance with up to 16 million permutations.

(https://blog.playstation.com/tachyon/2020/11/CharcaterCreator06-w-legal.jpg?resize=1088,612&crop_strategy=smart&zoom=1)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50566766908_3ac104b709_h.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50567653452_268f0d4611_o.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50567517121_afac28e5f3_o.jpg)
I'm never going to start this game...  :rejoice

Photomode...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50567653767_04b0771150_h.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50566767633_f3951b74ff_o.jpg)
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Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: MMaRsu on November 05, 2020, 12:08:12 PM
They really dont look ugly enough
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: MMaRsu on November 05, 2020, 12:09:01 PM
Yeah, hopefully.

Demon's Souls is top 10 for me so I don't want them to fuck it up

Well since the ost is now generic fantasy sheit..
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 06, 2020, 01:59:49 AM
from the few scraps of the remade ost I've heard it sounds great

the original is still there if you want it. wouldn't be surprised if there's a switch to just use the original.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: MMaRsu on November 06, 2020, 05:11:48 AM
from the few scraps of the remade ost I've heard it sounds great

the original is still there if you want it. wouldn't be surprised if there's a switch to just use the original.

 :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :leon :leon :leon :leon :leon :leon
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on November 06, 2020, 07:27:33 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the new score the same exact score, but now fully orchestrated?  :huh  I've been listening to the score the past 2 weeks because of hype, and while it's got great memorable tunes, it sounds like it was all done on a keyboard...  aka PS1 level quality.  :doge
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: HardcoreRetro on November 06, 2020, 07:41:37 AM
The difference for me is that the original felt more like a horror score. It sounds like your generic epic fantasy score now.

It just doesn't fit the tone of the game to me.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Svejk on November 06, 2020, 08:03:41 AM
If I had nostalgia for the original, I'm sure I'd feel the same way. 

Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: MMaRsu on November 06, 2020, 09:27:42 AM
I mean this dont sound like PS1 shit to me

https://youtu.be/CqhqbsdpAXo
https://youtu.be/aY-CEFD8X1Q
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: paprikastaude on November 06, 2020, 02:29:58 PM
People laughing at me for saying this months ago, but now it's getting clearer and clearer that the devs want this to be Peter Jackson's Souls :goldberg btw I have zero nostalgia for the original, but I see and hear the comparisons and they definitely miss the tone quite a bit.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 06, 2020, 03:00:43 PM
idk, I played through the original a few times and I have no problems with Hollywood souls. taking what was a niche game that was more of an experiment at the time barely expected to break even and going completely ham giving it zimmer tier orchestral scores and a Hollywood veneer is real interesting. theyre definitely not going to be maintaining the tone of the original, but I also don't really want them to try, because it's kinda impossible. the original is still there for that.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: thetylerrob on November 06, 2020, 04:28:33 PM
Bluepoint is the game dev equivalent of Weezer playing soulless 80's covers. It'll still be fine but it's not going to be as special as the original.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: chronovore on November 09, 2020, 08:32:09 PM
Figured I'd post this here instead of the PS5 thread...

More Demon's Souls character creator and photomode details...  FUCK YIS.   :rejoice

With this new character creator, you will be able to customize your appearance with up to 16 million permutations.

(https://blog.playstation.com/tachyon/2020/11/CharcaterCreator06-w-legal.jpg?resize=1088,612&crop_strategy=smart&zoom=1)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50566766908_3ac104b709_h.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50567653452_268f0d4611_o.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50567517121_afac28e5f3_o.jpg)
I'm never going to start this game...  :rejoice

Photomode...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50567653767_04b0771150_h.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50566767633_f3951b74ff_o.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50567517721_d88dafafac_o.jpg)

Legit thought Boris was back due to a plethora of big-ass screenshots in a single post.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 11, 2020, 02:19:20 PM
Grabbed Nioh 1 complete on PC in the current sale. Been meaning to play it. After the Demon's Souls remake, probably then next-Souls-like I play.

Waiting on Nioh 2 to get PC or PS5 port with the DLCs included in a few years.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: MMaRsu on November 11, 2020, 02:20:02 PM
Nioh is REALLY good
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 11, 2020, 03:11:07 PM
Yeah, I really liked the demo before it launched. Felt good and smooth combat. Just never got around to it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: paprikastaude on November 11, 2020, 04:00:29 PM
Nioh 2 is even way better.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: MMaRsu on November 11, 2020, 05:03:32 PM
I should reinstall it, dope as hell

Was running around in a black ninja outfit like I was Ryu from NG
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 11, 2020, 06:20:22 PM
Nioh 2 is even way better.

Yeah, can't believe it's still not on PC wtf
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: MMaRsu on November 12, 2020, 02:28:30 AM
Lmao why did they change the white dude in demon souls who sits in the first area to a black dude?

Like, why 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 12, 2020, 08:37:06 AM
maybe he's celebrating zwarte piet
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: MMaRsu on November 12, 2020, 09:03:28 AM
I dont really care I just think its a change so they can say hey we have a black dude in there now or something 🤷🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 12, 2020, 01:52:07 PM
I dont really care

 :lol
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: MMaRsu on November 12, 2020, 02:24:02 PM
I cant make an observation?

It just seems like a random change to me.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 13, 2020, 12:23:37 PM
Nioh 2 is even way better.

Yeah, can't believe it's still not on PC wtf

Nm, it's on PC & PS5 February 5th  :lol
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: MMaRsu on November 14, 2020, 01:35:07 AM
Still quite far away.. four months but im hyped!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 14, 2020, 05:46:15 AM
ended up tracking down a disc for demons. yeah, it's great. having a blast, feels just like deso with a new coat of paint. game's still great and still feels fresh. the structure being so different to the others is nice. does feel more like a puzzle game. the start through to phalanx then tower knight is sooo damn good.

anyway just beat the armoured spider and decided it was time to get the uchi. went to archstone of the shadow men, touch. crash err time. try again, crash.  :rage

guess ima try reinstalling from disc. also had a crash midway through the armour spider fight and at another random time, but it consistently crashes on this point then it ejects the disc  :lol this goddamn janky ass console shit.

had a crash during astro bot and spider man also, but so much more frustrating when trying to conserve all your stuff, stay human and be careful in deso  :trigger
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 14, 2020, 07:32:29 AM
deleted then reinstalled and it's fine  :doge
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Rufus on November 14, 2020, 09:53:22 AM
"verify installed files"
coming sometime in 2021 maybe
:heh

Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 14, 2020, 05:15:01 PM
pretty dodgy eh. feels so weird dealing with discs again.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: MMaRsu on November 15, 2020, 06:13:07 AM
https://youtu.be/m7cAfPQYoVI
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 07:28:21 AM
Man, fuck Demon Souls.

Seriously fuck this game so much. My least favorite Souls, even more than DS2 or Sekiro. I beat DeSo back in the day doing a magic build since magic is OP, but I'm trying to play with a big slow sword & shield knight for something different, since that's a fun build to run in Dark Souls 1-3 and goddamn it's just miserable. I'm getting so sick of losing all my souls and long treks back to bosses thanks to no bonfires and minimal shortcuts and 1 hit KO stunlock enemies and swords constantly fucking clipping on walls.

It's doable, but it just feels like work and isn't fun like Dark Souls/Bloodborne. I never realized how much more accessible they made the series in Dark Souls 1.

I can't believe I'm spending 30 mins and tens of thousands of souls loss on fucking 2-1 armored spider right now at 4:30am after spending 2 hours+ to beat 3-1. Just encountering so much bullshit. This game is too tedious for me. I might just sell it after I finish 2-1.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 07:42:05 AM
Alright I give up. I can barely keep my eyes open and being up this late is going to fuck up my Sunday  :-\

Also 2 black phantom miner trolls spawned on the way to the armored spider boss and I can't just run past them or I one hit die usually. So I gotta spend like 5 mins+ playing carefully just to get back for each run. I just can't deal with this shit right now. I'm pretty close to snapping the disc in 1/2 so I never attempt this again.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: MMaRsu on November 15, 2020, 07:49:34 AM
Just get some rest and tomorrow try with some fresh skills
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 08:55:18 AM
that sucks bebpo. you unlocked the shortcut to the spider? also, don't forget abt those blue eyes knights at the tower knight archstone. they drop half moon grasses and 1k souls per rotation. v good for replenishing stocks early game.

I got so fucked on shrine of storms. definitely too early to go there but figured I get that big ass manta and unlock the part where grindan souls is super fast and easy. so close then I died, go to restart and the world tendency is pure black and this red ninja that 1 hits me is hanging out.

this game is more of a troll than the others in some ways, but its also just kinda telling me to go do other shit.

Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: paprikastaude on November 15, 2020, 12:25:04 PM
 :uguu git gud
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 02:39:04 PM
shrine of storms is fine to do early if not pure black world tendency, but when it is that ninja and all the red eye knights fuck me. managed to get the ninja then summoned some bros to help out. got a little greedy diverging from the path to the boss then stepped on a trap, raised my shield the wrong way  :stahp
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 02:45:58 PM
I want to know if bebs is fat rolling w his knight build. can see why you'd be having probs with the armoured spider if you are.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 03:19:58 PM
Yeah, I ain't gonna front that I need to git gud. The later games have really baby'd me up (outside Sekiro which is a whole different beast). I don't think I even lost souls once in the whole run of Dark Souls 3. Died a bunch but always recovered. Here I've lost like 20k in souls already, am always soul poor with no healing items, no arrows, can't upgrade, can't level up.

Need to grind a bit for sure.

I want to know if bebs is fat rolling w his knight build. can see why you'd be having probs with the armoured spider if you are.

I'm not even rolling lol! I've always rolled in these games since I hate the heavy feel, but I'm playing flute armor set + steel shield + bastard sword heavy shield blocking instead of rolling. It's actually be pretty ok so far other than having to switch to a back up mail breaker rapier for the digger trolls since they're weak to thrust and bastard sword is slash. Even Tower Knight I just stayed by the stairs and baited him and then ran to his feet and got a couple hits in and ran out until he fell. Had some issue with 3-1's Fool's Idol boss, beat it on the first try staying behind the side pillars and popping out to hit one and see if it was real/clone, but couldn't figure out how to tell where the traps were and sometimes I'd get trapped and soul arrow x 3 and take a lot of damage.

Anyhow, got like 4.5 hours sleep and in a better mood now, more relaxed. Willing to try to again.

It seems like unlike other Souls game, melee tank is terrible option in this and you absolutely should not run one. I don't want to run another mage because it'd just feel too much like my memories of kiting around soul arrowing everything and healing. So I'm thinking maybe a 49% equip burden, enchanted magic 1H sword & shield? I've never done a spear build in souls and I feel like giving the melee range issues in this if I could have/make an enchanted spear to get some distance it might be viable.

I don't even remember in the upgrade paths if you can make any weapon enchanted with the right mats or if they didn't do that until Dark Souls. This game honestly feels so fucking basic and the long boss runs are bleh. It's sorta fun but it definitely feels more work than exploration fun of the others in retrospect.

Also when I beat the original it was pure white tendency Japanese release with nice Japanese players. Now it's PURE FUCKING BLACK phantoms everywhere fuck you up USA USA USA and uhhhhh, this makes it a lot harder!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 03:47:47 PM
lolol, yes! lower to sub 50 for sure. you can switch to jp servers if you want in the network settings. I've been finding murca cali servers p good, and every region is pbwt in shrine of storms right now it seems. nt sure if it actually changes based on region tendency but that's what I thought?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 03:48:30 PM
Ok, got some good help/tips from the era thread since my build is so bad for Demon Souls. Gonna grind up a bit and get my faith going and go Faith/Str melee build with a Claymore for my big sword and Blessed Mace for my smaller magic weapon + heal spell and <50% equip for roll. Time to grind today...

lolol, yes! lower to sub 50 for sure. you can switch to jp servers if you want in the network settings. I've been finding murca cali servers p good, and every region is pbwt in shrine of storms right now it seems. nt sure if it actually changes based on region tendency but that's what I thought?

My worlds are all 75% white except world 2 is PURE BLACK -_-
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 03:51:17 PM
Oh and can I say how much I hate the item carry burden in this. I can't keep like any shit I find and have to send it all to storage and change gear there. Just annoying.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 03:58:07 PM
hell yeah, faith clay is the tits. at least, it's what I've run in dark souls a couple times. I'm working on magic with moonlight spear and rapier as my mains rn.

item encumbrance is p funny. dump all your shards and gear you're not using in storage and you should have plenty? another reason running heavy gear is kinda annoying
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 03:59:57 PM
Man, that 2-1 grind is fucking useful for healing items.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 04:26:43 PM
So I got like 70 half-moon grass and 30 bolts taking care of my no healing items & no arrows problem.

But turns out I was way too tired playing 1-4am last night and I remembered the wrong merchant with the claymore. Apparently it's the guy in 1-1, 1-2 who then disappears until you get to 1-3....so I can't get my claymore :(
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 04:46:20 PM
dang, they drop from blue eyed knights as well but I can only imagine that's a rare af drop.

faith seems good for passive hp regen and magic def. second chance also great. use the halberd instead of the claymore maybe
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 04:49:17 PM
Knight sword or the mirdan hammer etc
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 04:59:33 PM
Actually merchant is still there. Wiki is wrong or remake changed it. Also was only 6k souls.

Got it and got it to +4 :D 173 atk right now with wide reach & range.


Gonna go do 4-1/5-1 first before going back to kill Armored Spider. World 2 being pure black and having a bunch of black phantoms is...save for later.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 05:05:59 PM
yeah that's crazy. man i want to do 4-1 so bad. bp ninja and skele's wrecking my shit there still though. ah well, on with the horror fest of latria. i hate opening these damn spike caskets, but i want the loot! they even put in jump scare sounds when opening them those bastards :lol
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 05:39:49 PM
Ok, I think I missed a shortcut in 2-1 where the primeval demon is to turn WT back to white. I never got to the throwing boulder guys and there's an elevator near them?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 05:54:54 PM
there's a fog door you go through in a hallway at some point up near the top, instead of going in, explore down the tunnel first. you come to a ledge above where you start, turn a lever and start mining platforms moving that can take you straight up there from the starting bonfire. idk how to describe it better but im sure a map of the area will sort you out
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 06:03:15 PM
there's a fog door you go through in a hallway at some point up near the top, instead of going in, explore down the tunnel first. you come to a ledge above where you start, turn a lever and start mining platforms moving that can take you straight up there from the starting bonfire. idk how to describe it better but im sure a map of the area will sort you out

I got that one that takes you to the blacksmith. I missed one (and am stilling missing it) near the boulder throwing guys?

So funny story, I tried to find that shortcut and went back through 2-1 hugging every wall looking for a level I missed. Didn't find it and got all the way to the boss. Decided to give it a try.

After all the crap I was having last night, now being under 50% equip and able to roll. I literally just rolled under the web shot, rolled under the fireball, rolled x 3 under the triple fireball, rolled under the two arm pincer attack and got a hit in, rolled back and dodged the ground smash and got 3 hits in and my Claymore+4 two handed was doing like way more damage and in a couple mins the spider was dead, ez pz

Feel really silly/stupid that all that frustration and spending time rebuilding my character was all unnecessary. I just needed to be able to fucking roll  :lol

Now world 2 is back to white tendency. And time to do 4-1/5-1 next.

Still gonna roll a faith/str claymore build. Pumped a few stat points into faith already and bought the heal spell. Will pick up the talisman in 4-1. and HP regen ring.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 06:09:16 PM
yes! hahahahaa. that's so good. rolling is such a must in this game (and every souls imo, tanking is never the best option).

running faith or magic is just a lot more fun and on flavour i think. i will reroll a faith char once im done with my first play using magic. faith is more melee focussed, but im playing magic like that too with enchant weapon
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 06:18:39 PM
I want to get the flame shield and the equip burden+ ring in 1-1 at the dragon hill, but now the dragon doesn't come to the bridge so I'd have to spend like 20 mins archering it to death slowly just to get those. :(  It's kinda annoying you can't lure him to the bridge and suicide hill run after 1-1.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 06:25:07 PM
soul arrow that bish.

i went back across that bridge and the dragon still aggro'd. you have to have killed the purple dragon to stop that i thought
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 06:32:01 PM
soul arrow that bish.

i went back across that bridge and the dragon still aggro'd. you have to have killed the purple dragon to stop that i thought

He doesn't aggro on mine? Might be a tendency thing. I read at pure white the dragons just vanish. I'm like 75% white. So if I don't die in body form there and then come back when 1-3 is available and kill the boss it should go pure white. But 1-3 isn't available until a lot later.

I could soul arrow, but I don't know if I have the stats.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 06:33:58 PM
world tendency is the dumbest shit in the game, i'll grant it's a cool concept, but in practice it's just confusing and annoying. also i wish they weren't so savage with gecko respawns. these fuckers diving off cliffs before i can get to 'em  :trigger :goldberg
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 06:35:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ufsTmS4h.jpg)

How I was feeling last night in 2-1

(https://i.imgur.com/6inoP5Ph.jpg)

How I'm feeling now.


Couple more random shots:

(https://i.imgur.com/lZu7XyHh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/50dKt4hh.jpg)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 06:38:35 PM
bruh, i actually had to look up how to use photo mode. toolbelt! didn't even know it was a thing. id been holding down x oldschool like to do gestures too  :doge

i just been taking screens using the screenshot feature
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 07:14:25 PM
Yeah, I don’t like how there’s no quick instant button. Makes it harder to catch stuff in motion since you have to bring up tool belt first then hit photo mode.

Dunno why they couldn’t have done L3+R3
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 07:28:15 PM
i figured it would be integrated into the hardware photo button somehow since it's a first party game essentially, so i was confused when i hit that and the game didn't pause like how they said photo mode pauses the game :p but also didn't really put much thought into it beyond that. i am here to smash not take photos, but i will def play around with the feature a bit later
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: chronovore on November 15, 2020, 09:52:53 PM
Now that I've got an Xbone, I'm going to re-try Dark Souls and see if Blighttown still chokes up the framerate.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Dark Souls 2 is dog shit
Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 10:32:06 PM
I gotta say, this game is the king of losing your souls. I've never experienced waste of time/soul loss like this game.

Tried 4-1, got like 10-11k souls, tried fighting the vanguard demon and got 1 hit KO'd, on way back go stunned by the double skeletons when trying to side step them and murdered to death and lost all my souls.

Tried 5-1, got about 10-11k souls again, got to the first fog gate and got flame speared by 3 guys at once and instantly died. On my way back got hit and knocked off a bridge and died and lost all my souls.

 :-\
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Post by: Himu on November 15, 2020, 10:37:50 PM
demon's souls has great shortcut design. I'm really surprised at this reaction. Race to the shortcut. Unlock asap.
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Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 10:49:14 PM
generally agree, but there are a lot of areas with no shortcuts that ramp up the difficulty so hard in pbwt they essentially lock you out of the area until you have good enough weapons/grind up levels to deal the damage necessary or they switch back to white
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Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 10:52:06 PM
i dont think anyone was saying the shortcut system sucks, just that the game is enigmatic and tough in certain ways which... is absolutely true
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Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 10:52:26 PM
demon's souls has great shortcut design. I'm really surprised at this reaction. Race to the shortcut. Unlock asap.

There's no racing.

DS/Bloodborne are all about that racing. Demon Souls will kill you if you go too fast.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 10:53:35 PM
Had a good run on 5-1 and got knocked off by the big troll right after the lady who sells blue stones  :-\

I don't remember if there's any shortcut in 5-1? I don't think so because it's all going down?
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Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 11:08:18 PM
Actually ended up doing a roll dash through 5-1 because that's one of the few areas that's built like that. Rolled and ran past all the trolls, got to the boss and luckily beat it on first try and got the bonfire. Guess I'll work on 4-1 next.

Also my Faith/STR build seems stupid. There's nothing useful for faith so far.
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Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 11:15:55 PM
haha, second chance is sick. but yeah, the magic debuff skill, high magic resist and passive hp regen is really nice. there's some tricks with that wrath of god type spell that are neat. def not OP like magic, but can be a foil to magic in pvp
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Post by: Bebpo on November 15, 2020, 11:22:24 PM
Yeah, I think I'll go for the HP regen side. Get that HP regen ring + Adjucator shield + Blessed weapon, that + second chance hopefully will be a nice HP blanket.


So I was dumb I thought I couldn't use spells like enchant weapon because it was greyed out when I try to attune. It was because I hadn't unselected soul arrow. So is there any reason not to just enchant my claymore and run around with an enchanted claymore? I tested it on a few enemies and seems good?
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Post by: naff on November 15, 2020, 11:26:40 PM
afaik no, enchant that shit
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Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2020, 12:02:22 AM
Got Adjucator's shield. HP regen is sloowww, but should stack later on. Got to Adjuctator but was carrying a lot of souls and didn't want to chance it so I evac'd. There's no real shortcut is there in 4-1. That cliffside bit suckssss.

Also those dual-sword red eye ones are yeah, can't take them on yet. Guess for the one in front of the boss room, just run past him and trigger the boss.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2020, 12:20:17 AM
Ok, took out adjudicator, that fight is weirdly easy. Didn't seem to be able to hit me from behind the pillar or behind him.

Also got HP regen ring and used the shortcut from that to the boss.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2020, 01:20:59 AM
Got invaded in 2-2 at the start and summoned a friendly phantom to help. Then we ended up doing the level together and whoops co-op kinda kills it. Got to flamelurker no problem and with co-op the fight was easy. Feel bad kinda blew through 2-2 instead of slowing learning and beating it solo. Oh well, will explore later.

Almost have my Claymore to +6 so can make a blessed claymore and run that. Could also do meat cleaver which has A scaling with faith and S with strength, they're both basically long slashing sword. Not sure which is better/stronger.
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Post by: Let's Cyber on November 16, 2020, 03:10:37 AM
Having played these games in the wrong order, I think Tower of Latvia is the best iteration of that concept. Better than Irithyll Dungeon, better than Research Hall.

Maybe it helps that the remake game looks unbelievable but the atmosphere is just off the charts. I really liked The Fool's Idol design too.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2020, 03:23:15 AM
I have a hard time seeing in the game in the darker areas like Latvia and the Valley of Defilement. It's just all dark and hard to see anything. I can't even tell if the graphics are good because I can't see shit. Maybe it's an HDR thing since I don't have HDR or maybe I just need to turn my brightness up.

Got the meat clever, it's amazing and was doing pretty well until I tried 5-2 and spent 2 hours there getting kinda stonewalled by the giant trolls at a few places. They get me in the sludge and I can't roll and I die and then have to run through the sludge for 10 mins again just to try again. This level suckkssssss, I will be so glad when I am past it.
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Post by: naff on November 16, 2020, 04:47:17 AM
turning up the brightness in latria felt like hacking the game  :brain

it's weird how not hard this game is generally, then significantly multiplies it by doing strange shit. if there was no pbwt and the "cheap" deaths like gaps in the floor covered in fog and shadow so they look solid or barely visible dart traps i would've died only a few times so far. game loves to troll though, and power to it. mostly very fair, but how many times i've died to environmental shit, even a few times in the same place so i can't really blame the game being cheap per se, really achieves making me feel like a dumbass.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2020, 05:08:42 AM
Idk, I think the bosses generally are pretty easy/dumb ai, but the levels are just brutal, lots of stuff to gank you, and just long difficult sections with some of the most hardcore stuff in videogames. Also so mazey. I tried to find patches/filthy man in 2-2 and navigating all those tunnels with the giant fire bugs is like impossible to have any idea where the fuck you are.

With 5-2, instead of sleeping I decided to formulate a plan.

I went and found the blessed mace in 5-1 which I didn't find my first run of it. Now I had enough regen to nullify poison. Then I went and bought Cloak and brought out my thief's ring instead of cling ring. I trudged through the swamp and cast cloak at the end before the mound with the one big troll and walked by and dropped into the second swamp, ran through that and at the part with 2 at the end I used cloak and slowly walked past both into the village.

Then I cloaked through the village just killing enemies that still aggro'd. Then at some point I just instantly died? I...don't know what happened. No one was attacking me and my regen should've beaten the poison with the adjucator shield, regen ring and blessed mace+1 all equipped. I saved a video clip to re-watch tomorrow and see what happened. I literally was standing looking around and then it said YOU DIED and I was like wat.

So I gave it one more run, this time no mysterious death out of nowhere. But I got so lost in the shanty town. I kept trying to find the shortcut but I couldn't find it. Then I saw a fog door and thought maybe that goes to the shortcut area....and then no, it was the boss.

...yeah, so I put my cling ring back on to get some extra HP, and just gave it a shot. Luckily was pretty easy and took a hit or two but with some pine resin on my meat cleaver killed the boss and beat the stage.

But tomorrow I need to backtrack from there and try to find the shortcut. There's supposed to be a crystal lizard by there that drops the shards I need to upgrade my blessed weapons, so I need that shortcut, plus I want to explore and grab the rest of the items.

Still, it was good that the planning worked out with the HP regen and cloak worked to get past. Makes me realize that for some of these stages you can probably cloak and run straight to the boss, especially if there's a wider area so you don't have to be in any small corridors with enemies.


So far cleared

1-1, 1-2
2-1, 2-2
3-1,
4-1,
5-1,5-2

Will do 4-2/3-2 next and go from there. I have a feeling my meat cleaver build is really good for mid-game. Even against the big ass trolls if I threw on some pine resin and I could kill them in 2 hits doing like 500 damage each slash. But since it can't upgrade, I feel like I'll keep doing 400-500 damage while enemies get more HP and DEF in endgame, so gonna try to upgrade a Blessed Claymore up on the side. It'll be good for magic damage/physical damage, and I can resin/curse the meat cleaver for fire/extra physical if needed. I kinda want to grab the moonlight sword in 5-1 when I have the patience. I saw that it cuts through shields and I think that could be helpful for some enemies.

Around SL47 now, VIT 23/END 24/STR 20/FAITH 23. Gonna keep rotating between VIT/END/FAITH until they hit 30, not sure if I'll get enough levels in the rest of the game to go much beyond that but everyone says END should go to 40 and I should pump some INT to like 15 so I have enough MP for second chance. Will add that stuff after I get VIT/END/FAITH at 30/30/30.
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Post by: Let's Cyber on November 16, 2020, 06:54:27 AM
Bebpo is there a path you'd recommend? I'm not too far yet, only beaten Tower Knight and Fool's Idol. Not really sure which level to try next.
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Post by: Svejk on November 16, 2020, 08:38:28 AM
Got past the Tower Knight and had to stop there for the weekend.  :whew  This is all new to me and kind of incredible.  I was kinda of shocked at how long 1-1 technically was to open the other gate before the phalanx.  Besides the beginning part, I haven't died since then so far.    So many questions, but trying to be patient and take my time through levels. 

Hopped back in to BB (now installed on the SSD) for shiggles and it looks like total unplayable ass when compared to DeS now.  Why won't Sony patch this game? :fbm
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Post by: naff on November 16, 2020, 03:36:09 PM
likewise haven't had much time to get back into this. find i need at least 2 hours free with deso or i can't get into the rhythm. time flies for me in this game. wanted to take monday off work to properly get into it (have a lot of holiday days built up) but no bueno  :shaq2
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Post by: Bebpo on November 16, 2020, 03:58:20 PM
Bebpo is there a path you'd recommend? I'm not too far yet, only beaten Tower Knight and Fool's Idol. Not really sure which level to try next.

No idea, I'm barely scrapping by. Also depends on you build. For my build some of the more important items were in 4-1/2-2/5-1 for HP regen stuff and 2-2 unlocks boss weapon forging.

The tower knight bonfire is a good early grind for souls & healing items, 4-1 is a somewhat faster souls grind but you don't get any healing items out of it. Not sure if there's a better grind spot later. 4-1 isn't that fast for grinding souls because you have to run up the stairs and back over and over.
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Post by: Let's Cyber on November 16, 2020, 07:04:47 PM
I started off as a knight and I'm using the winged spear but I'm getting into some magic now, soul arrow has a ton of utility. But yeah I'm doing Tower Knight now for half moon grasses, crescent moon just doesn't have give enough HP anymore. I might jump into Stonefang tunnel next.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 17, 2020, 01:35:22 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Du8wZ8ph.jpg)

Just spent tonight cleaning up some loot in 5-2. Got my Large Sword of Moonlight. Looks great! The damage isn't up there with my Meat Cleaver, but it cuts through shields/armor. I tried it out on the red eye knights and it just melted them lol, definitely worth keeping around for situational.

I ended up upgrading the Blessed Mace to +3 with a bit of light grinding. That gives it +4HP/sec regen which combined with the shield that gives +2HP/sec regen and the regen ring that gives I think +2HP/sec, I'm getting +8HP/sec and it's pretty nice. Like reverse poison.

Also bought Evacuate spell for 20k souls and that's been real useful already. I've got 3 miracle slots now at Faith 25, so once I get Second Chance and add Cure and Heal/Evacuate, pretty good survivability for sure with all that regen stuff. I just need to get my Endurance up so I can wear some plate gear and bump my DEF stats too.

Gonna need to put 4 levels into Intelligence at some point to get to 15 so I can cast second chance after I get it. Will use that for all the bosses once I get it.


Oh and had my first crash. Not hardware crash, just the game crashed back to the OS in the Nexus.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 17, 2020, 01:59:26 AM
Also I've got to say, my favorite part of this remake is the quick loading between areas. I'm doing a lot of running back and forth between areas while grinding, treasure hunting, testing gear and it's awesome how instant it all is.
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Post by: naff on November 17, 2020, 05:40:01 PM
i get so confused in the first stage of latria. beat the first boss comfortably then went back to get items, geckos and release locked up npc's and i fell down holes in the platforms twice, once when in human form ruining my PWWT (should've suicided in the nexus fml) and now i can't save lord rydell.
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Post by: naff on November 17, 2020, 05:43:33 PM
i dont think the game is all that hard comparatively. but some of the design elements are definitely cheap.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 17, 2020, 05:44:47 PM
That sucks, yeah some stages are dark areas pitfalls the game.
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Post by: naff on November 17, 2020, 05:50:45 PM
lolol, totally. i guess i can just kill the next boss and get the boost back to pwwt? just want that dull rat's ring, but i guess i'll be doing a ng+ run anyway for trophies. i think some of the maze like design could've been improved with a little more hand placed design elements, as it is every damn path looks exactly the same. being a prison block i guess that's the idea. i don't remember ever getting this lost in later souls games, maybe a little in the forest area and tomb of the giants, but that was still fairly clear in it's progression.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 17, 2020, 06:05:03 PM
I’m going to try to suicide in body form a few times in 2-2 and get to pure black and kill Scriver black phantom for Cracked Talisman of the Beast and use Cursed Weapon on my Meat Cleaver for +50% physical damage and that should take me through endgame as my boss/large enemy weapon.

Attack should be between 500-600 with cursed weapon.
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Post by: paprikastaude on November 17, 2020, 08:00:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAv-ajC1bWg
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Post by: Let's Cyber on November 17, 2020, 09:37:05 PM
lmao soul ray is busted. Saved me a lot of headaches in Valley of Defilement
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Post by: Bebpo on November 18, 2020, 12:07:59 AM
Ya, my run on the original was soul arrow -> soul ray spam.

Just cleared 4-2, pretty much one shotted it after dying to an invader in the first room. Man, that boss is lol. The game design in Demon Souls is basically:

Shortcut - Maybe hard boss
No shortcut - Easy brainless boss so you hopefully don't have to run through the whole thing again
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Post by: Bebpo on November 18, 2020, 03:32:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/1Dmy0TDh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hfAVpQlh.jpg)

Sooo, I completely misremembered Demon Souls and thought the game was 5 worlds x 4 stages each. So after doing stage 2 of most of them I thought I was midway and had a lot left to build my character out and upgrade.

Then I went and did Stonefang-3 and realized whoops 3rd stages are just bosses, only world 1 has 3 stages + final boss. So kinda blew through a lot of it.

At first I was like how the fuck do I beat the Storm King as melee this time around. Then I did the storm sword thing and it was kinda cool.


Ok, so Allant I remember being brutally hard and making me miserable in the original. I think it took me days to beat him as a caster. Now 10+ years later after all these Souls games and bosses like Orphan of Kos and Sekiro stuff...he's still tough but his AI and moveset are really simple compared to those other Souls fights. A couple moves come out real fast and are still brutal, but otherwise most of his stuff has big windup tells. The toughest part is just that he has a lot of HP and he has that AI where if you try to heal he will attack you, so it can be frustrating trying to heal.

The worst part is the run up to him. It's not super long but it's tedious to do over and over with the stairway of red eye knights to roll past.

I accidently found a cheat when I rage quit after he got a couple soul level stealing attacks on me in a fight. If you close the game from the OS during the fight, even when you're about to die and restart the game it loads at the elevator right before the fog door. So you can keep retrying the fight without having to run back to the fog gate. Once I found that I didn't mind retrying a handful of times until I got the fight, if I had to do the boss run each time I probably would've saved it for another day or done it co-op.

Also my biggest problem with the fight is that I keep doing moves I don't want to do after dodging and having an opening. I just want to SLASH FORWARD but I do like a 0 damage push or a ground smash where he's out of range. I'm not really good at precision with slashing and this fight definitely made it tough. I took a video of the fight. Nothing special, but mostly solid:

https://youtu.be/1F1mNdClQOM

Anyhow, yeah, Demon Souls is a lot shorter/smaller game than I remembered! It makes sense for Bluepoint to have tackled this one vs Dark Souls because it's just a smaller game to do. I'm at 21 hours now with just Latria 2 and Monk left to clear. Usually souls games take me about 25-35 hours including DLC expansions.

Also 2nd chance was amazing. Having it on let me be more risk taking and aggressive in stage progression and boss fights and since you can just use an MP item and cast it again and again after you die and it activates you can really use it as a progression crutch. Probably why I blew through 4-2 and 1-3 so easily.

I ended up getting INT 18 so I could use cursed weapon for +50% physical damage enchantment, but I don't have the NPC to give it yet and there's only 1 stage left so it's kinda pointless now lol, have about 31 VIT/31 END/31 Faith/20 STR/18 INT ~SL72.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 18, 2020, 06:20:02 AM
Upgraded the Blessed Mace to +5, that thing rips apart red eye enemies (and basically all enemies)

https://youtu.be/OvC2FkDHs8Q

And my regen is sick at this point.

https://youtu.be/1IOu5189rfU


Think I've done everything outside saving the two NPCs in Lateria and beating Lateria. Will do that tomorrow and finish the game up. Gonna save NG+ for when I get a 4k tv to appreciate the visuals more. At 1080p it looks great, but a lot of the time it just sorta looks in line with my memory of Dark Souls 3 but more detailed. I feel like I need 4k to appreciate the leap.
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Post by: naff on November 18, 2020, 04:30:19 PM
 :lol

https://twitter.com/vivarockbella/status/1328530706889273344
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Post by: Let's Cyber on November 18, 2020, 05:19:39 PM
Jesus the skeletons in 4-2 are quite a bit beefier and the run outside is kicking my ass. Might need to come back after I've leveled up some more.

Latria might be one of the most atmospheric areas in any video game I've played.  :whoo The gargoyle section is blowing my mind all over again.

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Post by: Bebpo on November 18, 2020, 06:53:07 PM
Jesus the skeletons in 4-2 are quite a bit beefier and the run outside is kicking my ass. Might need to come back after I've leveled up some more.

Latria might be one of the most atmospheric areas in any video game I've played.  :whoo The gargoyle section is blowing my mind all over again.

Yeah, even though I don't like 3-1 much though I appreciated it's design, I did my first run on 3-2 this morning and really liked it. Looks fantastic in this remake.

Was doing really good and almost one shotting it when I slash combo'd a gargoyle on a walkway and the second slash took one foot a bit off the platform and I fell to my death  :'(

Gonna try to clear it and finish the game tonight!

For the skeletons with the big swords in 4-2 back up and get a slash in when they come at you and then back up and repeat. They're beefy and do a lot of damage up close so just get a hit in and run. Also be careful when backing up or you'll fall off the cliff backwards.

I'm assuming you mean those guys and not the ghost ones. For the ghost ones just run/roll past them and kill the necromancer and they'll all die.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 18, 2020, 07:20:29 PM
Ok, yeah got my souls back and was right before the second chain. Cleared Maneater first try. I'm waaaaaaaay overleveled haha. Had Second Chance cast but never used it and I basically just stayed in his face. With Cursed Weapon + Meat Cleaver died real quick.

Somehow I missed the key for Sage Freke in 3-1, missed Yurt the Assassin and missed the Gold Mask which I was gonna use to trade with the crow for another Colorless Demon Soul. Time to go explore more.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 19, 2020, 03:09:40 AM
After beating the game I wanted to do the couple things I missed first run in NG+, Old King Doran & Flamelurker solo.

Doran was a pushover, took like two combos and he gave up.

Flamelurker on NG+....yeah, fuck this. After almost an hour straight of attempts dying to all kinds of stupid camera stuff and lock-on rolling the wrong way, the fight just seemed broken and bullshit.

https://youtu.be/bz2rVbGmyXg

So of course, the run where I had given up on life and just ran straight at him slashing because fuck all strategy is the one I beat him lol

Also that first hit is literally me raging and just going fuck this shit and running up to his face and hitting him.

I did realize about 75% through that, that after an hour of attempts with lock-on and rolling that the true melee secret to Flamelurker is DO NOT USE LOCK ON. Better to just free run dash past him and try to hit him in the back than to try to roll past him through his moves which doesn't work and kills you like 50% of the time.

Pretty much done now. Even made the Northern Regalia but I don't have the stats to use it. I think when I replay the game I'll start fresh and do different stats for a different build. Would like to try a spear build or short dagger build or maybe bow & arrow build. Never done an archer build in a souls game.
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Post by: Let's Cyber on November 19, 2020, 10:36:17 AM
be careful when backing up or you'll fall off the cliff backwards.
:tocry

Yeah...between the melee skeletons and sting ray arrows, I've been having a bad time. I'll try 4-2 again today.

I also killed Maneater on my first try too.  :rejoice Soul Ray+brazier=win
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Post by: Svejk on November 21, 2020, 12:34:01 PM
Started last night what I think 2-1 is (diggers?).  The enemies in there, although very slow, take at least 4-5 heavy hits with my current strongest weapon (scimitar).  Needless to say, I'm only inching along and being cautious... Start to think, am I still underpowered for this level??   And then, I get invaded..  I start to b-line it back to the beginning area and come across him.. I immediately start throwing all my fire magic on him as he keeps running away... Each hit taking nothing off his hp.. After depleting my mp I start to wail on him.. staying on top of him while he runs around without a weapon drawn... All my hits barely taking down his hp.  Wtf..  He finally pulls out some giant ass sword and fights back.  I dodge several of them, but the few he lands, completely destroyed me in like 3 hits...   :mindblown

Either he was trolling TF out of me, or I actually caught him off guard... Regardless, he was entirely way too powerful for me... First time I died (besides the intro).  :-\. Do they not pseudo match player levels to have invade you?  WTFFF
....  ...Is this the real Soulsborne fuckery I'm experiencing now?  :goty

Now that my chi is fractured, I went to try the archstone across the way with the cheiftain. The valley of Defilement I think?  The enemies here were much easier to take down, but the level design here is nuts!  Got past the first fog gate eventually, but then started making stupid rushing mistakes and fell several times.. had to call it a night there.   This game is brutal... And beautifully awesome.
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Post by: Svejk on November 21, 2020, 12:51:07 PM
Looking it up now, The valley of Defilement is level 5-1??  Why are the enemies here cake compared to 2-1 for me?   :titus
Should I not be doing anything in 5 yet?  I dunno but.....  ..this is pretty exciting if I still have 3 and 4 to hop into now.  :hyper
I'll give those a try tonight.  :)
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Post by: Bebpo on November 21, 2020, 01:05:57 PM
world 5 is more environment challenge, 5-1 is very vertical and easy to fall. All the first stages of worlds are pretty doable off the start.

Also the diggers in world 2 are weak to either magic, weapons with magic, or thrust weapons like rapier. They are heavy resistant against slash weapons. This threw me off and I had to keep a second weapon for them. I can't think of any other enemy in the game that was like that or maybe I was just already rolling magic weapons by the point I fought them.
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Post by: Bebpo on November 21, 2020, 01:07:22 PM
It's less a difficulty order like 1,2,3,4,5

Think of it more like Mega Man stages.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Svejk on November 21, 2020, 01:27:32 PM
world 5 is more environment challenge, 5-1 is very vertical and easy to fall. All the first stages of worlds are pretty doable off the start.

Also the diggers in world 2 are weak to either magic, weapons with magic, or thrust weapons like rapier. They are heavy resistant against slash weapons. This threw me off and I had to keep a second weapon for them. I can't think of any other enemy in the game that was like that or maybe I was just already rolling magic weapons by the point I fought them.
That would totally explain it then!  :lol. Thanks for pointing that out. I do have a spear, but don't think I'm strong enough to wield yet.  I started with a Magician build, so I might need build more dex or strength for it.   
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Post by: naff on November 22, 2020, 04:01:08 PM
just use the rapier/estoc if you don't want to put more points into dex/str. both are really, really good. that said, i'm a magic main with a base dex/str of 13/14 respectively so i can wield the kilij and winged spear coz they're a great combo of slash and pierce damage. i would def consider just running falchion (or soem other slash wep with lower reqs) and estoc/rapier if i rerolled though
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: naff on November 22, 2020, 04:07:37 PM
finally killed bp satsuki removing pbwt in 4-1 and smashed adjudicator  8)

finished worlds 2 and 3, saved yuria and got firestorm :rejoice

maneater is still a goddamn pita. a lotta glitchy movement with them clipping through the gargoyle statues and making things unpredictable, then one just being an asshat kiting me for 5 minutes barely landing when at the end of their health bar. def bring a slash weapon to the party for their tails.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Freyj on November 22, 2020, 05:56:14 PM
One shot Flamelurker but made sure to not 2H much and mostly stay just outside his swipe range to bait slams. I love Guts builds in these games but Demon’s is a weird game and frequently puts bosses in your path that necessitate or at least encourage off build solutions. Almost more like puzzles than skill and execution.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: naff on November 22, 2020, 06:12:59 PM
i think demon's plays up the puzzle aspect more than the others
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Himu on November 22, 2020, 09:29:27 PM
One shot Flamelurker but made sure to not 2H much and mostly stay just outside his swipe range to bait slams. I love Guts builds in these games but Demon’s is a weird game and frequently puts bosses in your path that necessitate or at least encourage off build solutions. Almost more like puzzles than skill and execution.

Mind expounding?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Svejk on November 23, 2020, 09:13:56 AM
just use the rapier/estoc if you don't want to put more points into dex/str. both are really, really good. that said, i'm a magic main with a base dex/str of 13/14 respectively so i can wield the kilij and winged spear coz they're a great combo of slash and pierce damage. i would def consider just running falchion (or soem other slash wep with lower reqs) and estoc/rapier if i rerolled though
Finally jumped back into 2-1 with the spear I had and started to really wreck shit. Glad you all pointed it out (no pun intended).   Getting into a Souls groove again  :rejoice
I did end up finding the estoc, so I'll be trying it next over the next sesh.  I dabbled in 3-1 also.  The atmosphere in the this game along with the 3D audio is  so great.  Every Souls game should be remastered with 3D audio.  Love it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 25, 2020, 05:40:33 AM
I'm nearing the end now. Overall i'd say this is a great game and just a half step behind Dark Souls 3. I'd probably put it a notch above Dark Souls 1, mostly because this feels a bit more focused but also takes more risks. Dark Souls 1 also drags towards the end. Lost Izalith kind of sucks and nothing after Anor Londo is nearly as good as the stuff before it (excluding the excellent DLC, of course). DeS is short and sweet by comparison without any bloat. My ranking as of right now

1) Bloodborne
2) Dark Souls 3
3) Demon's Souls 2020
4) Dark Souls 1
5) Sekiro
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lol who cares) Dark Souls 2
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Svejk on November 27, 2020, 07:02:10 PM
Armored Spider is kicking my ass and burned through all my grass.  Gonna need to farm them back.  I watched videos with most people, it does like no damage to them.  Guess it's their build.  Gonna come back to it later.
Dove deep into 3-1.  Wow.. the level design is a bit crazy to follow, but the atmosphere is bloody awesome.  Got all the way to shutting down that ballista, but decided to double back to level up real quick.  Hoping to clear it tonight.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Bebpo on November 27, 2020, 07:42:22 PM
I'm nearing the end now. Overall i'd say this is a great game and just a half step behind Dark Souls 3. I'd probably put it a notch above Dark Souls 1, mostly because this feels a bit more focused but also takes more risks. Dark Souls 1 also drags towards the end. Lost Izalith kind of sucks and nothing after Anor Londo is nearly as good as the stuff before it (excluding the excellent DLC, of course). DeS is short and sweet by comparison without any bloat. My ranking as of right now

1) Bloodborne
2) Dark Souls 3
3) Demon's Souls 2020
4) Dark Souls 1
5) Sekiro
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lol who cares) Dark Souls 2

I love Dark Souls 1 because I think it's tied with Bloodborne for the best storyline. I really like the stuff with the Serpents. The lore is super interesting in DS1. That being side, I'll absolutely admit that the second half game design-wise is pretty messy. Lost Izaleth is fucking terrible along with the boss and there's some other weak stretches as well. The balance is also the most broken.

Demon's Souls 2020 might have a the better level design and balance, but that's about it compared to DS1. DS1 bosses aren't amazing but most of Demon's bosses suck so I'd give DS1 the edge there. Also DS1 has a lot more build variety and is longer I think, plus the better story.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Bebpo on November 27, 2020, 07:46:07 PM
Armored Spider is kicking my ass and burned through all my grass.  Gonna need to farm them back.  I watched videos with most people, it does like no damage to them.  Guess it's their build.  Gonna come back to it later.
Dove deep into 3-1.  Wow.. the level design is a bit crazy to follow, but the atmosphere is bloody awesome.  Got all the way to shutting down that ballista, but decided to double back to level up real quick.  Hoping to clear it tonight.

Are you rolling? Armored Spider is where I got shut down with my heavy build and learned I was playing wrong and heavy/shield doesn't work for bosses in this game. Shields are solid for some normal enemies, but not bosses.

Keep under 50% and just roll under the web shots and roll under the fireball and time the roll x 3 under the triple fireball to get close to him (if you're melee). Then roll under the pincer swipe attacks (pretty easy dodge) and stay in the middle and back a bit for his ground pound. Then run up and punish him after the ground pound and back away a bit. If you're using a fast weapon you can get a couple hits in after rolling under the pincer swipes too. But with a heavy weapon it's pretty risky so just getting hits in after the ground pound is safest.

When he does the oil pour make sure you are not locked on so you can turn and dash back. In fact there's really no reason to lock on at all during the fight. But yeah his attacks have a lot of wind-up and are easily rollable, so just stay under 50% weight and get the roll timing down and he's pretty easy.

If you can't roll you're fucked on him. Period. The stun few seconds of blocking things just makes it impossible even if you have fire shield and stuff.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 28, 2020, 07:33:47 AM
I love Dark Souls 1 because I think it's tied with Bloodborne for the best storyline. I really like the stuff with the Serpents. The lore is super interesting in DS1. That being side, I'll absolutely admit that the second half game design-wise is pretty messy. Lost Izaleth is fucking terrible along with the boss and there's some other weak stretches as well. The balance is also the most broken.

Demon's Souls 2020 might have a the better level design and balance, but that's about it compared to DS1. DS1 bosses aren't amazing but most of Demon's bosses suck so I'd give DS1 the edge there. Also DS1 has a lot more build variety and is longer I think, plus the better story.
I agree on Dark vs Demon boss fights for sure.

I really prefer the more straight forward and simple story of Demon's. Dark Souls' characters and lore were interesting (especially how they fleshed things out with Artorias of the Abyss by sending us to the past) but some of the greater world implications felt needlessly convoluted.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: naff on November 28, 2020, 04:49:41 PM
been trying to help people beat bosses and been having a crack at armoured spider. trying to lead by example by staying back kiting and rolling through webs til an opening but people keep just going in for the slams and getting slammed or stuck in the oil fire  :lol

really wish there was a way to trade in your humanity or store it or something. having to go back to the nexus to suicide each time you want to re-up an invasion or blue phantom assist is a bore
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: naff on November 28, 2020, 05:02:28 PM
switched to flamelurker, feel so bad when I lay my sign down and I fuck it up and get laid out by a flamelurker king hit. I hope those brave souls made it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: naff on November 28, 2020, 05:26:42 PM
speaking of clunky mechanics, world tendency is not changed at all beating bosses in co-op but you can get a friend to invade you and beat them over and over to get pure white quickly  :doge

there's actually no reason to help out as a blue phantom outside of its fun (and you can become human again I guess, which nobody eve rwants to do unless they're going for pure black because being human and dying just fucks your world tendency and you miss out on key content). world tendency is such a boring, broken mechanic that could so easily be fixed. just making co-op boss wins contribute to +white would go a long way to fixing it
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 29, 2020, 02:47:13 AM
I know this is obvious, but his game is a totally different experience in heavy armor. It's fun needing to manage stamina and think a few moves ahead before certain encounters. I'm having a lot of fun on my second character as a result.

Beat Tower Knight without killing the archers, wasn't too bad. Some of the other boss trophies will take some work tho.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Bebpo on November 29, 2020, 03:08:19 AM
Good luck!
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Bebpo on November 29, 2020, 03:09:58 AM
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps3/954345-demons-souls/faqs/62697

I've been slowly reading through this lore guide. Never dove deep into the lore of Demon's, so it's interesting though it's definitely more DnD surface level flavor.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 30, 2020, 04:50:06 AM
Killed Maiden Astraea with arrows for the trophy, which incidentally gave me white world tendency for world 5. Grabbed Istarelle, which just happens to be awesome for my faith build. Switching between Moonlight Greatsword and Istarelle now depending on the situation. I really love this game.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Svejk on November 30, 2020, 09:49:06 AM
Got past Fool's Idol last night.  Had to farm back some healing items prior.  Now that I'm more leveled and have the Warding spell, I should have no issue with the Armored Spider.  Yeah.... Ultra slow burn for me.  :-[ (only play on weekends)
Was hoping to have this finished before Cyberpunk, but I clearly didn't know what I was thinking.  :doge
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Bebpo on November 30, 2020, 03:05:34 PM
Not sure how Warding will help on Armored Spider much outside getting hit by pincer attacks or slam. Just rolllll

Killed Maiden Astraea with arrows for the trophy, which incidentally gave me white world tendency for world 5. Grabbed Istarelle, which just happens to be awesome for my faith build. Switching between Moonlight Greatsword and Istarelle now depending on the situation. I really love this game.

I almost died on her lol

I didn't realize how much damage the floor in the area kept doing even with my HP regen. Arrows sound like a smarter option.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Let's Cyber on December 01, 2020, 09:50:30 AM
Yeah plague is rough, basically this game's equivalent to toxic. And even with the plague ring you don't have a ton of time in the abortion pit before you're infected. I was trying out the anti-poison ring + Istarelle and it seemed to give me immunity in the normal swamp. If I was building up poison, it would have taken several minutes to actually proc. Wish there was an easier way to unlock it because once you have the spear by getting white world tendency, you're already done with world 5 on NG.   

I didn't intend on getting the plat but I'm really not that far off. The all rings trophy will be the only big issue.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: naff on December 01, 2020, 03:52:34 PM
i missed the "may you be unharmed" trophy, and will have to do another 2 runs to get all the spells and miracles. not sure i care to plat as you have to get a gold coin from the fat men (rare af, unless you bought the deluxe edition and got that ring already) and farm a pure bladestone; also notoriously difficult to farm.

going for it for now anyway and doing the easy stuff, did all the pure white world tendency events so now i'm going to make everything pure black, get pure white character tendency, get the friends ring then go on a rampage, get the foes ring then kill that bish mephistopheles. look forward to ng+ and not worrying about world tendency. netcode actually seems really good this time around and i look forward to playing around with it more, im always in soul form and mostly offline to avoid changing world tendency. keen to start a new char focussed on faith and co-op and get all miracles that way, i wanna low level co-op/invasion build rocking that moonlight greatsword  8)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: naff on December 01, 2020, 04:16:54 PM
edit: not "difficult" to farm, just extremely rare so boring and laborious  :doge

will try fat men for a bit and if i get lucky i'll glitch my luck so i get all the guaranteed rare drops  8)

is the bbs luck glitch still a thing?
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Let's Cyber on December 01, 2020, 05:11:13 PM
They definitely messed with the drop rates in the remake, I got a pure bladestone from the skeleton in 4-2 and I wasn't even trying to farm him.  :doge
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: naff on December 01, 2020, 05:15:58 PM
cool, i hadn't looked into it tbh. just assumed it would be the same.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: naff on December 02, 2020, 04:16:29 PM
right, got a pure bladestone 3rd try on the 4-2 black skele. got a golden coin from the 2-2 fat man in PBWT in maybe 40 tries? felt like a lot but wasn't counting.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: nudemacusers on December 04, 2020, 10:05:06 PM
I wonder if my hypermode build will still work in this game. assume so if you can still wear the morion blade and clever rat ring together. it's a fun way to play especially if you like invading and want to do 1K+ damage at range :doge

They definitely messed with the drop rates in the remake, I got a pure bladestone from the skeleton in 4-2 and I wasn't even trying to farm him.  :doge
i dunno i feel like it has always been this way in demon's souls. I never actually got pure bladestone after probably cumulatively weeks of play/grinding... but others get it without even messing with tendency. who knows... the best builds don't really even rely that heavily on exotic stone drops anyway 👀
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2020, 11:24:46 PM
I just like that for faith build the girl gives you the pure faithstone for free once your faith is over 20. The grinding I had to at the start of 5-3, going backwards and killing the shaman in front of the boss room for shard drops was pretty annoying, but at least that was all I had to grind. Took maybe an hour or so.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Svejk on December 05, 2020, 04:11:06 AM
Got past armored Spider and leech monger in one sesh.  :hyper
Easy bosses, but still...  Better progress than last week.  :doge
Not sure what to tackle next. 
So, is there anything else to spend your boss demon souls on other than magic?  Just wanted to be sure before using them.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: archnemesis on December 05, 2020, 04:44:55 AM
So, is there anything else to spend your boss demon souls on other than magic?  Just wanted to be sure before using them.
Some can be used for weapon upgrades. Some can be used for of of multiple spells.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Let's Cyber on December 05, 2020, 09:18:26 AM
Fighting Old King Allant with a heavy tank character.

 :existential

It's the one thing I've ran into that's super difficult. Other than that my heavy faith build has been wrecking shit.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: nudemacusers on December 05, 2020, 11:12:10 AM
wait after he does that charge move... or lose the weight ;)
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: BIONIC on December 05, 2020, 11:52:53 AM
Beat it in 30 hours. Definitely babbies first souls game (admittedly, I was a mage  :doge). Pretty fun though.

Oh, and I guess I just officially beat all Miyazaki souls games. My life finally has meaning  :goty
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2020, 03:57:18 PM
Now try a melee run!

In terms of difficulty running melee builds I'd probably rank them from most difficult to easiest on first run:


Bloodborne DLC > Demon's > DS2 (including DLC which was pretty challenging) > Bloodborne > DS1 > DS3


I thought going back to Demon's, having cleared all the rest and been done with Souls git gud would've made Demon's a breeze. And maybe it would have if I ran a mage build since like 90% of enemies/bosses are only melee range on their attacks, but running melee, I thought Demon's was still hard as fuck.

Though in Demon's its the levels, not the bosses, that are the difficulty. Bosses are only Flamelurker/Allant and Armor Spider until you figure out the rolls. The rest are pretty easy compared to other Souls games. The levels in Demon's are pretty brutal and don't have as many checkpoints as the other games.

Also, I think Demon's is the only game you actually ever need to use more than 1 weapon in a run. The miners in Stonefang needing thrust/magic is something I can't think of encountering in any other souls game.

Also because the challenge is in the levels of Demon's, once you learn the levels and the tricks to them, it's fine. I can run through any stage in Demon's no problem right now. So on a replay right now Demon's would be one of the easier souls games outside Flamelurker/Allant fights. But then I could do that 10+ years ago after clearing the PS3 one and I forgot everything in the meantime and on replay this time it was hard as fuck so...

But most Souls games are like that where if you remember the levels, it's only the tougher less-scripted bosses that will give you trouble. If I re-ran DS1 now I'd probably be fine outside a few deaths on the Ornstein/Smough fight.

I definitely thought DS3 was the most accessible. There's a few challenging bosses, but otherwise it's a game you can just blow through on progression. Which isn't a bad thing. Was a lot of fun.

Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: BIONIC on December 05, 2020, 04:31:37 PM
My Miyazaki tier-list:

Sekiro > DS1  >  DS3  >  BB  >  DeS

All wonderful games, so being at the bottom isn’t a condemnation. I also liked DS2 at the original PS3 release. Burned through like 25+ hours right when it came out, then life happened and I never got back to it.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Let's Cyber on December 05, 2020, 06:04:56 PM
wait after he does that charge move... or lose the weight ;)
Oh I'm definitely lighter...on soul level.



I'm down 11 so far.

 :mjcry
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: nudemacusers on December 05, 2020, 06:13:17 PM
keep it up, that means you can invade noobs with higher level gear. grab a scraping spear and ruin someone's day :rash
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Bebpo on December 05, 2020, 07:40:46 PM
Also when you beat Allant

spoiler (click to show/hide)
You get all your soul levels back in souls. It kiiiiiinda could be abused to be a respec mechanic if you let him steal a ton but you'd still have to beat him afterwards
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Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: naff on December 06, 2020, 10:06:29 PM
Went to a friends place and he's playing dark souls 3. i don't remember this shite looking like such sweaty ass crack. NEXT GEN BAYBEE Demom's Souls the GOAT confirmed.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Kestastrophe on February 25, 2021, 12:22:25 PM
Anyone here try out Ashen? I'm currently on a soulslike kick and this keeps popping up in search, and is on ps store sale
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Akala on February 25, 2021, 12:33:18 PM
I am about halfway through DeS which I think is around where I got when it released. Actually I think I got fed up on tower of latria previously but this time did the royal but have since specced more over to STR as was having more fun meleeing with magic weps. 

I think I should be hitting for more, that or bosses just take forever. old hero was easy but was a pain...
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2021, 01:17:56 AM
Dark Souls III fucking sucks. Fucking Bloodborne wannabe game with Bloodborne aggression in a game with slow ass characters. A game where enemies regularly break the games own rules. Have full on enemies that spam jump attacks repeatedly with little to no recovery, enemies that just keep attacking and attacking and constant rolling and evasion without the speed of Bloodborne's character. I feel gimped with my weapon choices. Long sword manages to hit enemies with better frequency than my big weapons despite having worse spacing. If I wanted to play Bloodborne I'd play Bloodborne. Sekiro is better than this. At least the game mechanics and enemies stick to the games internal logic. This game fucking blows.
Title: Re: Soulsborne games thread - Demon's Souls PS5
Post by: chronovore on February 03, 2022, 03:15:10 AM
https://youtu.be/EI0n42t4_0g