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Title: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: 213372bu on March 29, 2020, 02:03:49 PM
https://www.jp.square-enix.com/nierreincarnation/
Mobile game: - Kaine and Emil (?) in keyart, could be mini-stories based on Nier characters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sdn1B0N4k0&feature=youtu.be
-Remake with help from Platinum games
-New music
-"Version up"-- More story?

https://twitter.com/ResetEraNT/status/1244207770963972096
Nier:Automata + DLC comes to gamepass

https://twitter.com/NieRGame/status/1241727867727331329
Nier Orchestral arrangement still coming

+ New version of the stageplay, along with an entirely new orchestra set, premiered today online
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Himu on March 29, 2020, 02:09:51 PM
Here's hoping the gameplay of the original still isn't dog shit. Fascinating story but playing it is like taking a sleeping pill. Part of the reason I was excited platinum was developing the sequel was because the gameplay wouldn't be utter drek. Still haven't played Automata.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: bluemax on March 29, 2020, 02:11:09 PM
If they can get Platinum to fix the camera issues and the controls for the boar then that would be a major boon to replaying this.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: paprikastaude on March 29, 2020, 02:21:04 PM
Nier 1 was more fun than Automata :trumps Worst part of 1 was sidequests and they are still shit in the second game. Combat was way better in Nier, but that's all it had going for it alongside the tiresome schmup sections. Nier 1 was like a Zelda clone, I loved the variety and I never thought any gameplay style was done badly. Just change the fishing tutorial.  :doge

But then again, the strongest parts of Nier 1 were the characters and they seem to fuck that up now by defaulting it to the animu boy version over dad Nier. :picard Some think they'll also have new voice actors for the old characters - what a nightmare.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Himu on March 29, 2020, 02:22:13 PM
I haven't played Automata so I have no idea what's better or worse
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: thetylerrob on March 29, 2020, 02:38:15 PM
The gameplay certainly wasn't "dogshit." It was fun for a while but nothing spectacular.

The story in this one is so much more interesting though, with much better characters. Hopefully, they can keep some of the excellent voice work from the original dub, although I'm not sure how different the script/tone will be if this time since it's the Replicant version.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Positive Touch on March 29, 2020, 02:42:39 PM
the gameplay of 1 was like 2, except if it was made by people who didn't have the talent or ability to see it through. everything was clunky as hell. the story too had lots of interesting moments but never fully felt like it came together like 2 did for me. i still enjoy the game and am super excited for this rerelease, don't get me wrong, but 2 felt way more complete to me.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 29, 2020, 03:14:14 PM
Both Niers are some of the most overrated games I’ve ever played. As an actual fan of Cavia/Drakengard and Platinum, both Niers are pretty weak games from each party. I will never understand this love of them.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Beezy on March 29, 2020, 03:21:55 PM
Do you plan on joining every Nier discussion that comes up just to remind us that you didn't like them?
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 29, 2020, 03:22:32 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: bluemax on March 29, 2020, 03:33:53 PM
The combat in 2 is way more polished and satisfying at a base level. I can see preferring the word system to the chip system, but part of the reason Automata got more praise is that the gameplay wasn't so frustrating as to turn people off from the story.

The sidequests in both games are pretty arduous but the writing is again what makes them worth doing.

Why does every thread gotta turn into a fight?
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Positive Touch on March 29, 2020, 03:39:38 PM
sorry, didn't mean to come off so harsh in my post. i still like 1 and think it's a very interesting and creative game. it's just a little rough too.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Himu on March 29, 2020, 03:41:39 PM
Nier along with TWEWY is the last creative jrpg I played. So I give it that and I'm looking forward to replaying it.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: thetylerrob on March 29, 2020, 04:00:43 PM
I’m also not mad when people prefer 2 over 1. I just enjoyed  the original more and I’m glad more people are going to be able to play it.

I always thought the side quests in these games were purposely tedious to poke fun at jrpg side quest design so I never had an issue with those.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 29, 2020, 04:27:11 PM
People that prefer the original to Automata are the sort of people that claim to prefer a handie to a beej. Can't trust em.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 29, 2020, 04:32:09 PM
Automata at least plays like a b level Platinum game, unlike the 1st one which plays like a bad indie action game made by 1 person. It also dosen't have the awkward  playing genre shifts that people like to treat as the first game being creative, but are actually just shitty. Instead I guess the trade off is just shitty shump sections you can power through and not worry about. Though, it also has an awful open world that is tedious more then anything. It has an awkwardly structured story because Yoko Taro is a hack and keeps doing the "ending ABCD" shit which unlike Drakengard or Nier 1, makes really no sense and is pointless in Automata. So both games are pretty bad.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 29, 2020, 04:41:46 PM
God rahx you are like the worst, please stop posting about games
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 29, 2020, 04:53:37 PM
No.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Svejk on March 29, 2020, 05:32:11 PM
Dat combat in Nier:A...  :lawd

https://twitter.com/i/status/1003256805806534656
https://twitter.com/i/status/923300086708297728
https://twitter.com/i/status/875176262960119809
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: remy on March 29, 2020, 06:31:50 PM
It has an awkwardly structured story because Yoko Taro is a hack and keeps doing the "ending ABCD" shit which unlike Drakengard or Nier 1, makes really no sense and is pointless in Automata. So both games are pretty bad.
Playing the game again from a completely different character's perspective, which rapidly goes off the rails in the second half into something cmopletely different, then extends in part C is pointless. sure jan
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 29, 2020, 06:43:37 PM
No what I said is the “ending” structure is pointless. The game does not end with ending A. You do not have anything close to the story and there would be no reason you’d stop at ending A. You will obviously continue to play the game because the story keeps on going.

That’s not like Nier or Drakengard where each ending is an ending to that story and when you play it again your are getting slightly different stories and different endings that expand on your understanding of the story. But if you were to stop Drakengard 1 or Nier at ending A you’d still have a kind of complete story. Both of those games use the ending structure to play on your thoughts and expectations of the story.

Automata does not. You stop at ending B, you are cutting the story in half. The endings aren’t endings of the story. They almost feel like “now it’s time to switch character” moments. So why not just have an easier to digest chapter structure instead of a pointless structure that just serves to confuse. Oh because Nier Automata loves to be nothing but confusing. Oh let’s have big chunks of the story in a Play!

Also playing as 9S is fucking garbage. Oh but people like nifty genre shifts! No I like playing fun action games.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 29, 2020, 08:41:56 PM
Ending A literally ends with the huge implication of this being a cycle, among leaving millions of questions unanswered. It intently withholds 2B’s character, but unsubtly lets you know “keep playing there’s more to your lame waifu”.  There is nothing satisfying about the ending and it's pretty clear you are supposed to continue. Sure, it's like a typical story...if a typical story did'nt want to explain anything at all.


And you may think it's whack as hell, but I dont. It was extremely pointless in Nier A and serve no reason for being there other then "I guess the two other games I made have it and people like it". But there was nothing clever about it this time and the story would have been better serve being told in a far more direct and linear way. Instead of me losing complete interests because hours later you are retreading on connections from a previous chunk of the game that I've moved on from and am now playing though on a character that is garbage and makes me want to break the disc. Oh but hacking.

You make think it's fine, but I don't. Instead of having stand a lone chapters meant to be built around comparing and constractsing the revelations or stories that the previous chapter you played, you get story routes like B where you spend time playing as 2B doing pointless stuff just to get to the actual meat of whats going on. Compared to a well paced multi perspective story that could keep the momentem of whats going on. You get a game that waste plenty of time, because it thinks it's clever.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 29, 2020, 09:11:29 PM
Ok
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: tiesto on March 29, 2020, 09:14:21 PM
The first game's combat was farrr from the worst action RPG combat I've ever seen (though of course it's vastly better in 2 thanks to PG). Biggest complaint about the combat was how you'd get hit, get sent flying across the screen, and it would take forever to get back up.

The original Nier really impressed me, first time I saw it I thought it looked like some terrible game made to appeal to "what westerners like" (as was the case of a lot of Japanese games that gen). When people started praising the music, I decided to give it a shot and so glad I did... what an amazing soundtrack and interesting story, I also liked the genre transitions a whole lot (and thought they were a lot more varied than the Automata ones). Though yeah the sidequests were dull as shit and there was some clunkiness inherent in the combat.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: bluemax on March 29, 2020, 11:56:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO_d3fwTNPo

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKbH9i5axxU
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Freyj on March 30, 2020, 03:11:36 AM
Sure Automata’s combat is better but it’s still boring and a little shit anyway so who cares.

Nier Gestalt’s story on the other hand outshines Automata enormously. So much so that I kinda don’t care much for Automata. Replicant is a worse version however and the game is clearly meant to be played from the perspective of the father.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 30, 2020, 03:36:53 AM
I wanted to replay both Nier games because I felt like I missed something since I feel I probably should like these games.  I liked Drakengard before it was cool, I liked Cavia games in general, I like Platinum games, I like Japanese games, I like the character designers for both games. It seems like things I should like. I was even pretty hyped before Automata came out. But Nier fans are as obnoxious as Nintendo fans and call you an idiot if you dare not like thier stuff. So that turns me off from replaying the games.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: nachobro on March 30, 2020, 09:48:07 AM
i never finished the first nier cause my 360 died with the game in it :-\
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 30, 2020, 09:56:46 AM
Nier Automata might be my favorite game period. I played the Papa Nier version, and I really liked it, but I have to admit I was not impressed in the way you had to get the "real" ending.
Get all the weapons? that's some tedious bullshit. I hope, but don't expect, that they fix this to be more like Automata where you were seeing new things each time. Cause playing the same game again with little variation just to get all the weapons? That's not fun.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Positive Touch on March 30, 2020, 11:12:01 AM
the final ending doesn't even make any sense with the dad version
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Cheddahz on March 30, 2020, 11:41:41 AM
I'm in the "I think the original Nier is better than Automata" boat, but it sucks to see it looks like they took out Papa Nier (and the redesign of the brother isn't good)
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: EchoRin on April 18, 2020, 09:25:15 PM
A simple running trailer for the mobile game has appeared

https://youtu.be/hwyxUKjzJ1A
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Positive Touch on April 18, 2020, 09:36:36 PM
it's still a gatcha game so I'm not getting my hopes up for an immersive experience or anything
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: EchoRin on April 18, 2020, 09:41:31 PM
it's still a gatcha game so I'm not getting my hopes up for an immersive experience or anything

Is that so? I've been in the dark for the details surrounding the N1 remaster and this mobile game outside of the official trailers. So the mobile game is some kind of endless experience as opposed to a game with a start and conclusion?
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Beezy on February 12, 2021, 10:36:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAYEqnQTzjk

I'm looking forward to playing this again, but I should finally play Automata first.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: paprikastaude on February 12, 2021, 11:37:59 AM
did they change the music? :jeanluc
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Beezy on February 12, 2021, 11:44:29 AM
I think the voice acting and music has been redone. Still sounds great to me. :idont
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Beezy on April 23, 2021, 09:50:01 AM
Replicant remake is out. Anyone got it yet?
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on April 23, 2021, 12:42:19 PM
Got it today but don't have time to play  :doge
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 23, 2021, 01:00:17 PM
Got it from gmg for 50. Probably start playing it later tonight. I only played automata so excited to play this. The pc port is apparently garbage again though  :(
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on April 23, 2021, 01:09:44 PM
Got it from gmg for 50. Probably start playing it later tonight. I only played automata so excited to play this. The pc port is apparently garbage again though  :(
I was afraid the PC version would be undercooked again so I got it for Xbox One X instead.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 23, 2021, 01:17:43 PM
There apparently a tool that fixes most of the problems: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1113560/discussions/0/3132792921898133884/

Otherwise the main issue seems to be that the logic is tied to the frame rate so it just speeds up after 60fps.

On consoles it only runs at 1080p (even on next gen console) so the experience will be better on pc, it’s just not plug-in and play.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 23, 2021, 01:27:59 PM
Guess I’ll give this another try.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on April 23, 2021, 02:54:44 PM
Picked this up on PS5 after reading about the PC port performance, plus I'm on a 1080p tv.
Game isn't booting even though it says it installed enough of it to start playing  :-\


I fucking hate hate SE gives Nier stuff $0 budget
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: bork on April 23, 2021, 03:05:37 PM
Got it from gmg for 50. Probably start playing it later tonight. I only played automata so excited to play this. The pc port is apparently garbage again though  :(


Oh fuck, that's what I get for trusting a review that said it was fine.   :-\
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on April 23, 2021, 03:40:59 PM
Played some of the PS4/PS5 version and checked some PC benchmarks.

Game looks pretty bad, almost like memories of how it looked on PS3 but now with a better framerate. The initial reveal trailers were pretty deceptive about the graphical rehaul the game was getting. Now I get why they're calling this a remaster and not a remake. Was expecting something closer to SoTC visually in the upgrade.

Still nice to have Nier on modern consoles/PC with 60fps since it's a classic game. And the combat is supposed to be better and there's like one new sidequest and JP VA. But also losing papa nier in the dub sucks since his VA was great and the new brother VA isn't.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Beezy on April 23, 2021, 03:43:51 PM
Good to know about the PC version. Xbox it is for me. I still haven't even played Automata even though I bought it at launch, but I think I'll start this soon. :doge
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on April 23, 2021, 03:46:47 PM
I just pulled up some PS3 Nier vids of the starting areas for comparison.

Basically looks like they upgraded all the textures, fixed the aliasing, and boosted the fps to 60fps. Doesn't look like they touched the geometry much at all so everything looks as empty/plain low-poly as before which is the main thing keeping it from looking like a full on remake.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on April 23, 2021, 05:55:28 PM
I just pulled up some PS3 Nier vids of the starting areas for comparison.

Basically looks like they upgraded all the textures, fixed the aliasing, and boosted the fps to 60fps. Doesn't look like they touched the geometry much at all so everything looks as empty/plain low-poly as before which is the main thing keeping it from looking like a full on remake.
Hmm reminds me a bit of the Xenoblade remake, geometry was kept mostly the same with character models and lighting changed and 3D models replacing 2D sprites.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: mormapope on April 23, 2021, 06:06:06 PM
Combat feels way, way better at 60 FPS and it feels really different as a whole. Feels a lot more impactful and smoother, animations are vastly improved too. Very much a marriage of Replicant and Automata. Playing on a 1080P monitor, the game actually looks pretty good, but I imagine it'll look soft on 4K displays.

Soundtrack changes are interesting and not really bothersome, still beautiful, melancholic and haunting. Brother Nier feels more wholesome or innocent than Papa Nier regarding context and voice acting. The voice acting is excellent too.

Enjoying this a lot. It very much feels like the best way to remaster Nier. Papa Nier is dear to me too, but it's cool to see what other people in Japan played and saw back then.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on April 23, 2021, 06:41:47 PM
Opened the box, the reversable boxart is pretty nice.
Also got 1 flimsy tarrot card.

Which is well, the most useless pre-order bonus ever  :doge
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Beezy on April 23, 2021, 08:23:09 PM
I was going digital for this one, but maybe this should be my final Xbone physical purchase...
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: bork on April 23, 2021, 11:15:02 PM
Seeing people saying PC is fine if you limit the FPS to 60. 
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: mormapope on April 23, 2021, 11:48:57 PM
There are definitely differences with dialog and I believe Brother Nier was completely re-recorded. All the NPCs have voiced dialog now. Brother Nier comes across as very sweet, young, innocent. Which, for the story this tells, is pretty baller.

It's pretty surprising this was greenlit. Yoko Taro has a very grounded and cynical approach to how well this will do

https://www.pcgamer.com/yoko-taro-doubts-nier-replicant-will-sell-very-well-because-automata-was-a-fluke/

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One person who doesn't share that level of enthusiasm for the game is Yoko Taro, the creative director of the Nier games. In a message posted on the Square Enix website, he reminded everyone that Nier Replicant is just a "version upgrade" of the 2010 PS3 original, and predicted that it's not going to sell very well because none of his games ever do.

"In recent years, when I have been around Square Enix, they always give off this palpable aura of enthusiasm as if to say 'Look! Nier: Automata (the previous thing I made) did well, so Nier Replicant will also sell now'," he said. "I would like to take this opportunity to tell Square Enix to take a good hard look at reality. Only the names are similar and the content of the two games is completely different, so it’s not really going to sell all that well now, is it lads?"

"I mean, come on, I made it! Automata selling was a fluke, and all my other stuff has hardly sold anything worthy of note. If you really do go ahead and manufacture all these discs and then store them in a big pile in a warehouse somewhere, the only thing we can do with that will be to have a good game of frisbee. Although, I mean… that does sound like fun and all…"

 :bow2 :tocry
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Tasty on April 23, 2021, 11:59:55 PM
Quote
"I would like to take this opportunity to tell Square Enix to take a good hard look at reality. Only the names are similar and the content of the two games is completely different, so it’s not really going to sell all that well now, is it lads?"

Damn look at this mofo
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 24, 2021, 12:39:15 AM
Yoko Taro's shtick is pretty annoying. I don't find this whole wacky "I don't care" as genuine or even cool.  I don't think I've ever liked this dude since he became a "genius creator".
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: mormapope on April 24, 2021, 01:43:58 AM
Yoko Taro's shtick is pretty annoying. I don't find this whole wacky "I don't care" as genuine or even cool.  I don't think I've ever liked this dude since he became a "genius creator".

Sounds like a presumptuous and not at all accurate judge of character on your behalf. If he didn't care (don't even know what that means in this context), he wouldn't be making games any more. He seems like a neurotic person with a goofy sense of humor. He does not consider himself to be an autuer or genius.

What is his shtick, exactly? Having a personality?

Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on April 24, 2021, 03:58:37 AM
Plus he's probably right  :doge
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Don Rumata on April 24, 2021, 07:46:31 AM
Yoko Taro's shtick is pretty annoying. I don't find this whole wacky "I don't care" as genuine or even cool.  I don't think I've ever liked this dude since he became a "genius creator".

Sounds like a presumptuous and not at all accurate judge of character on your behalf. If he didn't care (don't even know what that means in this context), he wouldn't be making games any more. He seems like a neurotic person with a goofy sense of humor. He does not consider himself to be an autuer or genius.

What is his shtick, exactly? Having a personality?
I guess someone can interpret his meta humor and "trolling" (like erasing saves etc) like not taking the medium seriously.
I only played Automata, but personally didn't get that impression, he seems to enjoy playing around with the potential of the medium, if anything.

Generally speaking i still am not a fan of meta commentary or humor, i usually find it cheap, but in Nier A it was pretty cool for the most part.
Only one that does similar things is probably Kojima, which everybody loves also.

Still don't think the Automata's a masterpiece, but i think it deserves most of the praise.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 24, 2021, 08:08:25 AM
i thought automata was a cool enough game, but I admittedly couldn't be bothered to do the second run and evidently missed out on the hot stuff :trumps
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Don Rumata on April 24, 2021, 08:38:30 AM
i thought automata was a cool enough game, but I admittedly couldn't be bothered to do the second run and evidently missed out on the hot stuff :trumps
Yeah i almost gave up on route B too, and there's some cool stuff after that.
Still, route B should be really cut in half at the very least.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 24, 2021, 08:45:27 AM
I did the first little bit of it and didn't like the idea of doing the exact same thing again, just with a character not as fun to play as
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on April 24, 2021, 11:04:08 AM
Played about 3 to 4 hours of Replicant, up until Seafront now.

I like it so far but it's a slower burn than Nier Automata which puts you right in the action with an action packed tutorial and giant robots.
This game is less ambitious, shall we say more classic with quests like 'go hunt 10 sheep'.

So yeah, interesting story so far. Voice acting is well done. Music is godlike. Visuals although 1080p(?) are great on Xbox One X, runs silky smooth.
Not sure how the combat was like in the original but they certainly took a few cues from Platinum Games to make that exciting.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 24, 2021, 11:11:30 AM
i bought and downloaded it, not fired it up yet, but 1080p?  :doge :yuck
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on April 24, 2021, 11:12:55 AM
i bought and downloaded it, not fired it up yet, but 1080p?  :doge :yuck
I think, it looks a bit on the soft side but I'm not sure. It did enable HDR so that works.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: mormapope on April 24, 2021, 11:16:09 AM
It's a slower burn with a lot of impactful moments and revelations throughout, especially the last few hours though. Nier Replicant is about perspective and how one's actions are tied and molded and bound by perspective. Automata is about what you do or feel with the perspective you have, the choices you make, the questions you ask.

Nier Replicant makes you question your own perspective, Nier Automata makes you question perspective in of itself.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: demi on April 24, 2021, 04:27:49 PM
Does Replicant fix the issue with missables?
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2021, 04:34:42 PM
Hopefully Replicant kept the part that made me love the game

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Resident Evil door loading screens in the haunted house.
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That and the

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Text adventure at the tree
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were my favorite bits outside the endgame/ending which is really good.


To me Nier felt like a love letter to videogames. There are so many references to classic titles & genres. It makes the videogame nerd in me real happy.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 24, 2021, 04:48:03 PM
i bought and downloaded it, not fired it up yet, but 1080p?  :doge :yuck

nvm i get it, the environment textures would probably look terrible in 4k/whatever and i doubt they had the budget or man power to sort them out
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2021, 04:56:22 PM
From what I understand there's no native PS5 version because SE doesn't want to spend the money for tech support/certification. Actually making the native PS5 version would take like 1 day most likely, just upping the resolution a bit and calling it a day. Maybe another few days adding dual sense rumbles if they want.

SE is really fucking weird. They're extremely penny pinching cheap even though they're a big studio. They'll keep series like Nier alive because it sorta sells "ok" for its budget, but they'll refuse to give it any more budget because they don't want to take any risk at all. Which is how we get shitty ports and no PS5 versions.

I think Automata sold like 2.5 million copies or something? And this is the SE that thought 2.5 million sold for Tomb Raider was a failure and Hitman 1's millions were a failure, etc...

They want to only have big AAA games that sell 5-10 million+ each, but they'll still greenlight smaller stuff and just give it no budget and leave it to die. TWEWY2's budget looks pretty low too as another example. Still glad these games exist vs not existing, but it's frustrating that SE is so goddamn cheap and won't give these games more budget.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 24, 2021, 05:07:24 PM
Automata shipped 5.5 million according to this article (theres no link to back up the claim and I tend to disregard pieces titled like this because fuck click bait, but w/e)

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-04-20-why-nier-matters
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2021, 05:09:58 PM
Yeah, that's a lot. And after all that how many years later we finally get a single PC patch of Automata, a mobile game that still isn't even out in English and no current gen Replicant and a shoddy PC version.

Oh and there's still no new Nier game announced (though assuredly in development).

I don't hate SE because I like their games, but this is very annoying.

Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 24, 2021, 05:16:17 PM
I imagine they're probably still reeling from apparent the failure(?) of the avengers game to be green lighting new shid etc.

I might be wrong but they're the pub who seems to overreact most to their hits and misses
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Tasty on April 24, 2021, 06:37:18 PM
From what I understand there's no native PS5 version because SE doesn't want to spend the money for tech support/certification. Actually making the native PS5 version would take like 1 day most likely, just upping the resolution a bit and calling it a day. Maybe another few days adding dual sense rumbles if they want.

SE is really fucking weird. They're extremely penny pinching cheap even though they're a big studio. They'll keep series like Nier alive because it sorta sells "ok" for its budget, but they'll refuse to give it any more budget because they don't want to take any risk at all. Which is how we get shitty ports and no PS5 versions.

I think Automata sold like 2.5 million copies or something? And this is the SE that thought 2.5 million sold for Tomb Raider was a failure and Hitman 1's millions were a failure, etc...

They want to only have big AAA games that sell 5-10 million+ each, but they'll still greenlight smaller stuff and just give it no budget and leave it to die. TWEWY2's budget looks pretty low too as another example. Still glad these games exist vs not existing, but it's frustrating that SE is so goddamn cheap and won't give these games more budget.

Listen, Balan Wonderworld isn't gonna write itself down.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Tasty on April 24, 2021, 06:39:19 PM
I might be wrong but they're the pub who seems to overreact most to their hits and misses

They straight up told Naka he'd never make another platformer again if Balan failed lmao

I mean, probably smart in hindsight, but it makes me think you're right. :lol
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on April 24, 2021, 06:39:37 PM
A shame the PC port seems like a mess, kind of wanted to play this
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Beezy on April 24, 2021, 06:39:38 PM
Listen, Balan Wonderworld isn't gonna write itself down.
I didn't even realize that this game came out. It must be terrible.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on April 24, 2021, 07:09:46 PM
Nier Automata not having sequel news might have something to do with Platinum Games seemingly not being involved anymore.
The number of developers who can make such a game is quite small.

it also saved PG so Square Enix probably got it at a bargain.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2021, 07:27:35 PM
A shame the PC port seems like a mess, kind of wanted to play this

It seems fine if you use the special K mod fix.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on April 24, 2021, 11:34:27 PM
So apparently SE are just starting to recruit staff for a new Nier project.

Going back to earlier talk, Automata sells 5.5 million copies in 2017 and it takes them four years before they even greenlight and start on a sequel? Wtf SE.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on April 25, 2021, 10:41:44 AM
The difference between Nier and other RPG's

Quest: Missing dog

Regular RPG:
"Help my dog is missing!"
"Woah, the dog is under attack by wolves, quickly help him!"
"Oh no the dog is hurt, quickly find some medicine"
"Good job, the dog is back on its feet!"
"The dog has returned to his owner, many thanks traveler here's 500 gold for the trouble and a Bone Sword. Every time you visit this town the dog will greet you with joy"

Witcher:
"I'm sorry Witcher. My brother was killed by the plague. Still, I owe it to him to take good care of his dog. Many thanks!"

Nier:
"Help my dog Max is missing, ouch my back hurts"
"Wait... is that? Yup that's poor Max... guess we'll have to tell the owner his dog won't make it home"
"Oh no, these monsters have come back for seconds!"
"Whew, we beat them, wait what's that in his mouth? Herbs? Seems like the owner would want those"
"Say book, do you think you will die?"
"I never really thought about it"
"We all die some day you know"
"Hey there, where did the dog owner go we have a message for him, he was here a few hours ago"
"You mean grandpa, he just had a heart attack and passed away"
"Oh.... we found his dog... he didn't make it... but he had this in his mouth"
"Thank you... those are... those are the herbs grandpa used for his heart medicine... thanks a lot for bringing these to me. Guess they went to heaven together... here's something for your trouble"
"Dogs really are a mans best friend huh"

*battles through a dungeon*

Regular RPG:
"Come on don't give up, no matter how difficult it gets. You can save the entire world from evil!"

Nier
"Hey kid, you realize this innocent and weak person you're trying to save couldn't possibly have made it through all these battles right? This is entirely pointless"
 :stahp
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: bork on April 26, 2021, 07:17:08 AM
A shame the PC port seems like a mess, kind of wanted to play this

It seems fine if you use the special K mod fix.

Apparently that's not even necessary and you can just go into the nVidia control panel to limit the game to 60 FPS.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on April 26, 2021, 07:23:34 AM
A shame the PC port seems like a mess, kind of wanted to play this

It seems fine if you use the special K mod fix.

Apparently that's not even necessary and you can just go into the nVidia control panel to limit the game to 60 FPS.

Limiting it to 60 is pretty shitty tbh, and so is having to hex edit the exe to make it work on an ultrawide. Eh. .
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: bork on April 26, 2021, 07:51:25 AM
A shame the PC port seems like a mess, kind of wanted to play this

It seems fine if you use the special K mod fix.

Apparently that's not even necessary and you can just go into the nVidia control panel to limit the game to 60 FPS.

Limiting it to 60 is pretty shitty tbh, and so is having to hex edit the exe to make it work on an ultrawide. Eh. .

The latter I understand not being there (seems to be a thing with a lot of Japanese games), but them not supporting framerates over 60 or not including any options for it in general?  Inexcusable, especially after how bad the Automata port was.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on April 26, 2021, 11:11:56 AM
I dont understand why it isnt an option in most japanese ports though. How can it be so hard, when it's a hex edit away from working flawlessly. Fucking Japanese devs.  :paul
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 26, 2021, 11:14:45 AM
:miyamoto
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on April 26, 2021, 12:24:02 PM
I will. By waiting until it's cracked, or it's under 10 euros on russian cd key sites  :success
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on April 26, 2021, 12:50:01 PM
A shame the PC port seems like a mess, kind of wanted to play this

It seems fine if you use the special K mod fix.

Apparently that's not even necessary and you can just go into the nVidia control panel to limit the game to 60 FPS.

The issue isn't just that the game physics are tied to framerate though and limiting at 60fps fixes it.

From what I read on PC performance there's stuttering and other stuff having to do with the framerate limiting and that's why people recommend using Special K over the control panel.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2021, 01:05:43 PM
Glad I'm playing this on powerful next-gen hardware that was designed to bring to life the visions of auteur directors like Yoko Taro....The Xbox Series X. :rejoice
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on April 26, 2021, 06:21:40 PM
I can't tell if this
spoiler (click to show/hide)
forest "text adventure" dream sequence (which is pretty awesome btw)
[close]
was planned like this or was just a way to cut some corners at the time. :doge
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on April 26, 2021, 07:05:00 PM
Nah, was planned. There are a lot of genre throwbacks. And yeah that part is amazing.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on April 26, 2021, 07:12:55 PM
Nah, was planned. There are a lot of genre throwbacks. And yeah that part is amazing.
I caught a Zelda reference as well.  8)
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on April 27, 2021, 12:26:30 PM
It's great how this game has a sort of smaller scale world you can memorize and not a giant landscape that always requires map navigation.
Reminds me a lot of OOT in terms of the world lay-out.  :thinking
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 27, 2021, 09:25:17 PM
Yoko Taro's shtick is pretty annoying. I don't find this whole wacky "I don't care" as genuine or even cool.  I don't think I've ever liked this dude since he became a "genius creator".

Sounds like a presumptuous and not at all accurate judge of character on your behalf. If he didn't care (don't even know what that means in this context), he wouldn't be making games any more. He seems like a neurotic person with a goofy sense of humor. He does not consider himself to be an autuer or genius.

What is his shtick, exactly? Having a personality?
Really it’s not an actuate judge of character? You don’t say....

I’m talking about his public persona. You can call wearing an Emile disguise, being purposely obtuse, giving strange dismissive answers, and in general acting eccentric for the sake of it as having a personality. I’ll call it being obnoxious .

I doubt he said that at all during the production of this remake. He doesn’t have to claim to be an auteur to act like this wacky creator whose so off the wall and zany!

And no I haven’t liked a game of his since Drakengard 1.


Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: bork on April 27, 2021, 09:58:37 PM
Just tried playing this on PC and it was totally fine- running it at 1440P and all settings on max.  No framerate issues or stuttering or anything.  Does this not affect everyone?
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on April 27, 2021, 10:14:54 PM
Just tried playing this on PC and it was totally fine- running it at 1440P and all settings on max.  No framerate issues or stuttering or anything.  Does this not affect everyone?

Did you cap your framerate at 60fps?
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: bork on April 27, 2021, 10:53:19 PM
Just tried playing this on PC and it was totally fine- running it at 1440P and all settings on max.  No framerate issues or stuttering or anything.  Does this not affect everyone?

Did you cap your framerate at 60fps?

Didn't do anything.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on April 27, 2021, 11:40:40 PM
no idea, one of the issues was if the game went say 120fps it would run at 2x speed. 

https://youtu.be/oPwTxKtEqH8

It should be a general thing that effects everyone.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on April 29, 2021, 05:52:42 PM
Continued to run into more video game references and that makes me wonder if some are less obvious but still references.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Popola sends Yonah a book about a tree in one of the loading screens and she says a sad tree is the worst thing ever, is that a Kirby reference?
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spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Resident Evil reference was quite obvious
[close]

Wrapped up about 35% of the quests according to the completion rate. Most side quests have been either a kick in the nuts or a blatant fetch quest though :doge
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 29, 2021, 09:14:18 PM
I thought it was a reference to The Giving Tree.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: HardcoreRetro on April 30, 2021, 10:14:06 AM
Wrapped up about 35% of the quests according to the completion rate. Most side quests have been either a kick in the nuts or a blatant fetch quest though :doge

(https://i.imgur.com/RaVYJgR.png)

This was a thing within the fandom for a reason.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on April 30, 2021, 11:49:32 AM
Everything in this game sounds like a pain in the ass but that's kinda the point I guess.
The book openly questions pretty much every side quest. "Why would you do this son?"

And then you forget your flower field for an hour and all the plants die.
At some point the comment is made the "World is rejecting humanity itself" or something like that.
I feel that in some ways this game is actively rejecting the player.  :doge

Is it fun...?, I don't know. It has fun elements but is more like a rabbit hole - the deeper you go the harder it is to get out.
Trying to make connections between weapon stories, characters, dreams, the plot and constant melancholy.
Revisiting areas that gets you a neat 'extra' but not enough to make the trip actually worthwhile.

Now that I have all the Verses I feel like there's a turning point right around the corner.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 30, 2021, 12:24:23 PM
You are pretty much highlighting why I disliked this game back in 2010. Tedious is exactly how I would describe it.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on April 30, 2021, 12:49:01 PM
So I just remembered when I played Nier a bunch of people told me to skip all the sidequests and I did.
Did not find the game tedious at all.

If I'd remembered I would have warned you.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: thetylerrob on April 30, 2021, 12:55:31 PM
I always thought the side quests in these games were purposely tedious to poke fun at jrpg side quest design so I never had an issue with those.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Rufus on April 30, 2021, 01:28:11 PM
Some of the side-stuff is tied to endings, like collecting all the weapons. Don't know if this persist into this version.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on April 30, 2021, 01:44:55 PM
Maybe on the ending, for the weapon stories you can just look them up on a database instead of wasting your time.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: HardcoreRetro on April 30, 2021, 02:07:37 PM
Some of the side-stuff is tied to endings, like collecting all the weapons. Don't know if this persist into this version.

Yeah, but it's like 4 quests. If you're going for the all achievements you need to do at least 30 quests and I think the fishing one if mandatory for one of the achievements.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Rufus on April 30, 2021, 02:11:59 PM
I could have had the 1000 if I had known about the point of no return. I actually would have done it for this game.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2021, 12:53:01 PM
After the
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Time skip
[close]

The game sure picks up pace again.
Was that
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Metal Gear?!
[close]
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: pancakesandsex on May 01, 2021, 01:52:29 PM
For those that don't know, the endings are strictly tied to weapon collection, but some of the quests give weapons, which is why it matters.  I don't recall if any of the weapon yielding quests need to be done pre-mid-game-event-of-no-return, but I feel like that wasn't a thing, and it was just some more ancillary ones.  I know that there's a shop that appears in the cliffside village (aery? forgot the name) that sells some weapons at some point, those might have been quest reward missables.  I'm fuzzy on these details, I have yet to boot my copy of the remake.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2021, 01:55:56 PM
Oh shit, is this one of those Ending A, B, C, D, E .... things again  :doge
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: mormapope on May 01, 2021, 02:31:50 PM
Oh shit, is this one of those Ending A, B, C, D, E .... things again  :doge

After ending A, new scenes with shades and other characters get added.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: bork on May 01, 2021, 02:44:09 PM
Oh shit, is this one of those Ending A, B, C, D, E .... things again  :doge

Yes, but once you finish it once, the game will start you after the time skip on new games, IIRC.  Which also means you need to make sure you got everything pre-time skip to get all the endings.

The new route E scenario in this game changes things and
spoiler (click to show/hide)
you play as Kaine.
[close]
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on May 01, 2021, 03:05:37 PM
Oh shit, is this one of those Ending A, B, C, D, E .... things again  :doge

IIRC, you only need to beat it twice and then youtube the other endings.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2021, 05:02:46 PM
Yay I got fast travel

*use fast travel once*

*Yoko Taro takes away your fast travel*

:dead

Combat has gotten more interesting though.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Tasty on May 01, 2021, 05:43:28 PM
Edit- Wrong thread.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on May 02, 2021, 07:27:17 AM
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/yoko-taro-didnt-mean-to-make-nier-sad-on-purpose/1100-6490892/ (https://www.gamespot.com/articles/yoko-taro-didnt-mean-to-make-nier-sad-on-purpose/1100-6490892/)
Quote
"Do you think it's cool to make people cry?" is what I came to Yoko Taro with when the interview started over our Zoom call. Of course, it was a cheeky way to let him know that the story of the recent reissue of Nier Replicant had me in my feelings. And with Yoko-san on the other end of the call as a virtual Kermit the Frog avatar that animated as he talked and gestured, how could we take things seriously? But he came back with an earnest answer.

:dead
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on May 02, 2021, 10:42:53 AM
 :gladbron a royal wedding

....

 :stahp
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 03, 2021, 03:04:16 PM
Tell us about your second run when you get to it. One of my favourite segments happens there.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on May 03, 2021, 06:16:25 PM
So that's the power of the ultimate weapon  :o

Yoko Taro said Facade was based on Japan in a recent interview, makes me wonder what the other villages are based on.  :doge
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on May 04, 2021, 03:00:13 AM
I finally sat down and finished the last part of Nier raid in FF14 that came out mid-April. It's pretty crazy how it's full of Nier Replicant, Nier Automata and Drakengard references. Very satisfying as a Nier fan.

The final boss track combines Drakengard ending E's bell tolls with Kaine's song and FF4's prelude.

And in the fight

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You're fighting in a Drakengard Tokyo environment where the boss throws Square Enix HQ's building at you and you're repelling the sound vibrations from Drakengard's final boss.

https://youtu.be/fr9OEKNbElQ
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Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on May 04, 2021, 12:17:32 PM
That's a great arrangement  :whew
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on May 04, 2021, 05:52:28 PM
Completed the game and got Ending A

One mindfuck and a half  :doge
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 05, 2021, 05:57:55 PM
Is Replicant worth picking up and playing again if I played the original Nier back in the day? How much did they add?
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on May 05, 2021, 06:12:39 PM
Is Replicant worth picking up and playing again if I played the original Nier back in the day? How much did they add?

Graphics, combat, 1 sidequest, slightly arranged music.

Also brother nier is a slightly different experience than papa nier.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 06, 2021, 12:33:06 PM
What about the new boss fight and the new ending?
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on May 08, 2021, 08:46:03 AM
Jesus the second run is even more fucked up than the first  :doge

I also found
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daddy Nier
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Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on June 16, 2021, 12:58:28 PM
Moved into a new place and had my computer but no keyboard so I figured I’d try and get the fourth ending. Was going great until
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I got to the point where I needed to delete my saves which requires you to enter the name of the save. Of course this port is low effort so it doesn’t have a built in keyboard. I couldn’t advance so I’ll need to replay the ending one more time  :fbm
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I really like the game overall, but once I get ending 5 I never want to touch it again.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on June 16, 2021, 01:00:33 PM
Wait, what? Why do you need a keyboard to type the name of the save. It's just whatever you called the main character...
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on June 16, 2021, 01:07:55 PM
Wait, what? Why do you need a keyboard to type the name of the save. It's just whatever you called the main character...

That’s what I meant, there’s just no way to enter it on PC without a keyboard. I assume on consoles it just uses the keyboard from the OS.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on June 16, 2021, 01:35:43 PM
You’re on a pc but don’t have a keyboard?

Still confused
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on June 16, 2021, 04:27:13 PM
Like I said I’m in the middle of a move so I had my desktop, but I forgot my keyboard at the my old place. I had a mouse so I was able to log in and turn on steam and then connect a controller to it. It’s a minor inconvenience, I just wish I had known beforehand so I didn’t waste an hour playing it.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on June 16, 2021, 04:42:29 PM
Yeah, that sucks. Bad timing for sure.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Rufus on June 16, 2021, 05:39:28 PM
I've never used an onscreen keyboard on Windows, but that should work so long as you run the game in windowed fullscreen (or even windowed).
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on June 20, 2021, 06:47:30 AM
The new episode Mermaid section in the main story was pretty meh and pretty noticeable that it wasn't part of the main game from a design perspective. This being forced into the main story is probably the single negative I have about the remake vs the original since I've grown ok with brother nier.

The boss fight is way too scripted and not fun at all, and long, but mostly it's a filler story that drags the pacing down between The Aerie Pt.2 & Facade Pt.2. I thought it was a new optional sidequest, which would've been better. Didn't realize it's a new section of the main story.

It's not something terrible and is like 30-45 mins or something, but I still sorta consider Nier's story campaign pretty close to perfect and its holding up great replaying it now, and now it has this one dragging section. The boss fight is just sooo bad.

Also I guess it can fail a sidequest too?

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If you didn't do the boat couple sidequest in pt.2 I'd imagine that becomes uncompletable since he's dead?

Luckily even though I've only done a few pt.2 sidequests so far, that was one of them.
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Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on June 20, 2021, 06:15:49 PM
That wasn't in the original?
Probably some cut content or something because it seemed seamlessly integrated into the story.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on June 21, 2021, 11:38:48 PM
Yeah, it was cut content.

I'm at the final dungeon and wrapping up the sidequests in Pt.2 to get to 100% quest completion. Doing all the non-grindy ones first. Just finished up the fishing questline entirely. Fishing wasn't too bad, I enjoy fishing mini-games. Looks like there's gonna be about 5-10 junk heap grind quests left.

Also I never paid attention to how crossbreed gardening works and seeds and now I need to grow 10 pink moonflower seeds and boy does that look like a pain in the ass. Probably gonna be the most difficult quest!

Will be nice when all the sidequests are done. Since I'll have all the weapons outside the 3 from the world of recycled vessel, I should be able to do that and then just speedrun endings B/C/D in a day or two and then do the new Kaine E content. I think basically everything after beating Ending A should just take about 10 hours max since I'm getting the bulk of everything time consuming done this run which will probably end up close to 30 hours (I think I'm ~22 hours now, so might be less).

I could go for a 100% achievements run, getting the white flower from that point isn't going to be tough and getting the 3 rare fish isn't going to be bad.

But upgrading all weapons and getting all words is going to be hell on earth, so I think I'll pass.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on June 21, 2021, 11:43:42 PM
Howlongtobeat has all endings + sidequests as ~41 hours which sounds about right.

And ~70 hours for 100% achievements. So 30 hours of mat grinding...yeah, no fun.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on June 22, 2021, 01:08:21 AM
Also these sidequests that keep taking you back to the lost shrine are a pain in the butt in part 2.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: HardcoreRetro on June 22, 2021, 07:02:27 AM
You mean the sidequests the game itself calls out as being shit?
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on June 22, 2021, 12:34:31 PM
"I need striped fruit but I can't tell you what it is because of our rules"

"A yes Melons, that'll be 2000 gold please"

"Thank you for the melons, here's 50 gold"  :beli


"We need 20 goat hides"

*goat population: 6*

*goat hide drop rate: 0.4%*

:beli
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on June 22, 2021, 03:31:20 PM
You mean the sidequests the game itself calls out as being shit?

Yeah, I'm the one who said earlier in this thread the sidequests are purposely terrible as a troll!


I skipped them in my original playthrough, and I will skip them every playthrough going forward for the rest of my life. But since Nier is one of my favorite games of all time I figure I might as well do them all this run to see them.

Plus there's actually a lot of great dialogue between the cast during these sidequests. It's enough that it actually contributions to a large percentage of their character development in the overall game. I like the main cast even more this run. It's just too bad the quests themselves are awful tedious timewasters.

Pretty sure I skipped all the sidequests in Automata because of how bad these ones were, but apparently the ones in Automata were actually good? Maybe that's another reason I didn't like Automata that much coming from the original. On my Automata replay I'll do all the sidequests.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on June 22, 2021, 07:00:42 PM
The ones in Automata were usually confined to a specific area, actually connected to the main plot or rewarded you with some nice stuff.

Of course it had a couple Yoko Taro quests but it wasn't 99% of them.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on June 22, 2021, 08:04:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/zdlDw8wh.jpg)
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on June 22, 2021, 08:09:39 PM
just started automata for the first time today. enjoying it so far.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on June 26, 2021, 03:32:08 AM
Finished 70/71 sidequests, just waiting for my last set of pink moonflower seeds which will be ready around 5pm PST tomorrow. Then DONE. All weapons too outside the one you get from Ending B and the 3 from the DLC dungeon. Ready to turn in my seeds and clear run A tomorrow and start on route B/C/D/E. ~28 hours.

I'm kinda surprised after all the grinding and stuff I only have 46% of the word drops. Thought I'd at least hit the 50% trophy. Probably will through the other route runs, but doubt I'll get much more than that. I wonder how you get the rest.

You know, there are like a dozen or so actually good sidequests in Nier Replicant. Ones that develop the characters or the world in a substantial way and are good stories. But then there are ones were some guy literally says "hey, can you get me 10x of item A, 10x of item B, 10x of item C" and after 30-45 mins of grinding you go back and they just go "cool, thanks" and quest is complete  :-X
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on June 26, 2021, 05:49:01 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8CwZZoTh.jpg)

Booyah

*Not even an achievement/trophy for this

Time to go finish the game.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on June 27, 2021, 02:55:06 AM
Almost got through Route B in one sitting. It's one thing I always liked about Nier. You can speedrun playthroughs after the first really fast if you aren't messing around doing other stuff.

Spent some time farming some mats to fully upgrade my Phoenix Spear and a 2H sword. Still haven't tried the World of Recycled Vessel yet. Might do it before the final dungeon in Route B, or at the start of Route C/D since I don't need the 3 weapons from it until that run anyhow.

Game is still holding up really well. Route B is just as good as I remember it being.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on June 28, 2021, 10:47:01 PM
Almost done with Route B run in Nier,

and yeah, even on Route B, the new seafront pt.2 thing, while being not 4/10 terrible, is pretty weak and overall brings down the quality of the narrative. It really feels to me like modern writing that can't catch the spark of the original. Like the whole point of Route B is

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you are sympathetic towards the shades. Like POOR LITTLE BEEBPY THE ROBOT and Wolves stuff is pretty depressing. But like LITTLE GIRL THAT EATS THE TOWNSFOLK TO TRY TO BE HUMAN is sorta like...nah, she can fuck off and die.

Also there are so many (LOADING) - cutscene - (LOADING) pauses every time it cuts to the postman and the girl which is way too much for saying so little. Between that and the boat being very much not fun to navigate on 2nd try and the boss fight literally being 100% scripted where you can't do anything until the dialogues play out (there's essentially zero gameplay in this boss fight)...
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I still think this section is pretty mehtastic whereas all the other scenarios are fantastic. I think it brings the game down but at least it's only like an hour of it total. Wish you could like turn it off to get the original narrative experience. It does make sense that this was cut content because its weird every other location has a pt.2 except Seafront, but it's just not good content.

I fully upgraded my phoenix spear, so I have a fully upgraded spear, heavy sword, sword. Gonna do the World of Recycled Vessel now before doing the final dungeon in Route B. That way my Route C/D run is just a pure skip cutscenes speedrun since I have everything I need and I've seen everything until the final boss.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on June 29, 2021, 04:02:44 AM
Facade pt.2 stuff and mask people still the best part of the game, especially route B.
Though I like Forest of Myth a lot.

Did World of Recycled Vessel. Was kinda fun. Some rooms go on to long, but it's the first & only real spot in the game that really takes advantage of the improved combat. The first person shooter bit in Door 2 was kinda interesting too, plus all the music remixes.

On route C/D now and playing it with Japanese VA and Automata ost just to mix it up while I speedrun to the final boss. Japanese Weiss sucks. Also Emil is a girl.

Oh and I tried out all the costumes. Samurai Emil made me :rofl fucking hilarious
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on July 01, 2021, 05:03:53 PM
I got to the new Kaine stuff in Route E last night. Probably do it today and be completely done.

I gotta say the remake, while being great for many reasons and more accessible, also made the game more tedious than the original. The runs are longer because of the new seafront addition, and in the original there was only 1 filler run since Route B run has constant new stuff. Even the Route C/D run has a few new cutscenes (very, very few).

But replaying Route E from the start, at lvl.1 doing shit damage and not having your boar mount...ugh. Even speedrunning and skipping cutscenes was about an hour and 45 mins to get to the new content, and unlike Routes B/C/D which are still kinda fun to replay since it's NG+ and you have all your stats and weapons and magics, these almost 2 hours just felt like work.

Still, hey, actual new real content now. Will be interesting to see how this compares. Hopefully it's a lot better than the Seafront story they added.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on July 03, 2021, 12:14:49 AM
Well the new Kaine route E was a bunch of nonsense. Nice art direction out of Automata though.

Definitely not worth the effort for C/D/E. Just go A/B and youtube the rest and you have an almost perfect game.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Nintex on July 04, 2021, 05:10:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufbNBvY9Fdo

The mobile game looks pretty good
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on July 05, 2021, 03:41:10 AM
Yeah, hopefully not endless gatcha stuff.
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: bork on July 13, 2021, 11:50:13 AM
:anhuld

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Publisher Square Enix and developer PlatinumGames will release the promised upgrade patch for the Steam version of NieR: Automata on July 15, the companies announced.

Get the patch notes below.
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    Changes

        Borderless Video Settings – Borderless video settings have been implemented.
        Fidelity FX – A Fidelity FX CAS feature has been added.
        HDR – The system will now detect whether HDR has been activated in the Windows display settings, and automatically boot the game in HDR mode if it has.
        Anti-Aliasing – Adjustments to the anti-aliasing functionality
        User Interface Textures (4K) – Approximately 270 user interface textures for icons, backdrops, user interface elements, etc. now support 4K resolutions.
        Cutscenes – The bit rate has been improved and all pre-rendered cutscenes adjusted, so they will now play in 60 frames per second and display in the correct aspect ratio without stretching the picture.
        Global Illumination – A new “Global Illumination” feature has been implemented. This can be set to three different levels: High, Medium, or Low.
        Ambient Occlusion / Bloom – The rendering targets for ambient occlusion and bloom effects have been changed to dynamic resolution based on the game’s resolution.

    Bug Fixes

        It is now possible to switch between recently selected display modes for screenshots, such as between full screen and windowed mode or between borderless and windowed mode, by pushing the Alt + Enter keys together.
        The mouse cursor is no longer displayed when using a game pad controller.
        The frame rate has been stabilized at 60 frames per second under default settings.
        Other stability related fixes have also been implemented.

NieR: Automata is available now for PlayStation 4, Xbox One, and PC via Steam and the Microsoft Store.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/94dac8f33fea8a9e9c92a42b18ca46ac/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: Bebpo on July 13, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
hahaha

the product of review bombing
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: bork on July 13, 2021, 03:13:27 PM
hahaha

the product of review bombing

Does that even address all the issues?  If not, outlook looking good for continued review bombing!
Title: Re: NieR Thread - New Mobile Game, Platinum Remake/Sequel(?) of Replicant, and moar
Post by: chronovore on December 05, 2021, 08:55:21 PM
I'm not fond of review bombing, but SQEX launching a PC game without letting users take advantage of their setup is pretty short-sighted.