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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Himu on June 18, 2020, 09:57:57 PM

Title: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Himu on June 18, 2020, 09:57:57 PM
GTA is one of my all time favorite franchises. There hasn't been a new one since 2013. I NEED TO JACK SOME CARS. Just popped gtaiii into my ps2. My favorite GTA. Wonder what I think about it now.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 18, 2020, 10:07:10 PM
GTA3 was a pretty mindblowing experience for me back in 2001. Probably the 3D first open world game I ever played.
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Post by: El Babua on June 18, 2020, 10:09:04 PM
GTA 3 was a legit watershed moment in games.

I was blown away, especially since I was coming off Driver 2 lol
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Post by: Himu on June 18, 2020, 10:09:25 PM
My dream is for Rockstar to remake III for its 20th anniversary with modern graphics. Keep the same size city and everything. Nice and bite sized but SUPER DETAILED, update some missions for modern sensibilities.

https://youtu.be/Uv0jzhjQnvs

I love this game.
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Post by: mormapope on June 18, 2020, 10:11:38 PM
GTA III has very peculiar difficulty spikes. Most notably the 8 ball mission where trapping him underneath a car and sniping all enemies is your best chance at clearing the mission. Enemies will melt you in a lot of missions, the older GTAs are a lot tougher revisiting them versus modern open world games.

GTA 3 was a legit watershed moment in games.

I was blown away, especially since I was coming off Driver 2 lol

I remember the jaw dropping feature from Driver 1 to 2 was being able to leave your car and be on foot. Driver 2 had pretty stylish cutscenes for the time too.
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Post by: Himu on June 18, 2020, 10:12:53 PM
I mastered this game. Let's see how I do on that mission this time.



Love I remember every route and alley even after not playing it for so long.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 18, 2020, 10:20:26 PM
GTA 3 was a legit watershed moment in games.

I was blown away, especially since I was coming off Driver 2 lol

Ah, I guess Driver would count as a 3D open-world games, and I played that a ton. Never did play Driver 2, though, so I didn't get that on-foot walking-around-town experience.
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Post by: Himu on June 18, 2020, 10:27:05 PM
This game feels like a time capsule now. It embodies pre 9/11 America. Fun fact, it came out in 2001. Nearly twenty years ago. Vice city came out twenty years after the yea it takes place in. There has almost been the same amount of time between the release of GTAIII and now versus 1983 (the year vice city  takes place) and when the game was released (2002).
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Post by: thisismyusername on June 18, 2020, 10:36:33 PM
Going from 3 to Vice City is a moment where I'm like "goddamn, why didn't they have motorcycles in 3?" Getting around the pop-in traffic would've been easier.

I never did learn to fly the Dodo in 3 to the Ghost City/opening area.
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Post by: Himu on June 18, 2020, 10:40:29 PM
I LOVE THIS GAME

https://youtu.be/ZEy-g9gE2D0
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Post by: Himu on June 18, 2020, 10:49:13 PM
https://youtu.be/ibZsiz6kf5U
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 18, 2020, 10:49:16 PM
My dream is for Rockstar to remake III for its 20th anniversary with modern graphics. Keep the same size city and everything. Nice and bite sized but SUPER DETAILED, update some missions for modern sensibilities.

https://youtu.be/Uv0jzhjQnvs

I love this game.
Yeah that would be amazing.
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Post by: bork on June 18, 2020, 11:23:16 PM
There's some nice-looking mods out there for GTAV including ones to turn it into Vice City.  Rockstar should totally give their older games this treatment.  Works nicely for Saint's Row III Remastered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTq9-LKdEME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRt5sIoIEV8
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Post by: tiesto on June 18, 2020, 11:44:30 PM
My favorite part of GTAIII was the d&b station... real pirate radio vibes, we had absolutely nothing like this on the radio in NYC in 2001  :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMkdtMQH7WM
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Post by: Positive Touch on June 18, 2020, 11:52:34 PM
This game feels like a time capsule now. It embodies pre 9/11 America. Fun fact, it came out in 2001. Nearly twenty years ago. Vice city came out twenty years after the yea it takes place in. There has almost been the same amount of time between the release of GTAIII and now versus 1983 (the year vice city  takes place) and when the game was released (2002).

this fact isn't fun it's depressing as hell. fuck me we're getting old.



great games tho
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Post by: Positive Touch on June 18, 2020, 11:56:58 PM
for real though gta3 felt every bit as big as Mario bros or ff7. i played gta1 summer of 01 and imagined a 3d version might happen with ps3 or something. then a few months later here comes gta3 and it's even wilder than I'd imagined, with cool shit like real radio stations with djs and commercials, and celeb voices and shit. mgs2 and ffx came out around the same time but it was clear that gta3 would be the future of gaming.
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Post by: Himu on June 19, 2020, 12:00:48 AM
Gta3 was one of those rare game changers you rarely see anymore.

I'd go as far as say that gta3 might be the most influential game of the last 20 years. Everyone and their mothers made open world after gta3. You can't have a regular ass snowboard game. Nope, gotta make it open world. What an event of a game.
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Post by: Himu on June 19, 2020, 12:31:38 AM
Played all night. Game is still great despite the bad shooting. Tbf it always had bad shooting.
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 19, 2020, 05:09:40 AM
still remember when i was gettng my ps2 back in 01 and was weighing up getting gta 3 or fifa 02 with it and some rando come up to me and told me to "get gta its fucking class mate", still some of the best advice i ever got :whew
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Post by: Don Rumata on June 19, 2020, 05:26:46 AM
https://youtu.be/uMeVhHpOU6w

 :lawd
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 19, 2020, 06:48:04 AM
having all of the choice cuts from scarface :rejoice
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Post by: porkbun on June 19, 2020, 07:04:22 AM
GTA III has very peculiar difficulty spikes. Most notably the 8 ball mission where trapping him underneath a car and sniping all enemies is your best chance at clearing the mission. Enemies will melt you in a lot of missions, the older GTAs are a lot tougher revisiting them versus modern open world games.

That one isn't too bad.  There is an adrenaline pill nearby that will slow down everything so you will have plenty of time to snipe the Columbians.

III is still my favorite game of all time despite the wonky aiming.  I love how most of the missions are open ended in how you can tackle them.  Also the difficulty is good.  GTAV was fun but it was way too easy (I think I only had to repeat a mission a couple of times) and it felt more like a standard 3rd/1st person action game instead of an open world one.
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Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2020, 07:08:58 AM
Interestingly, both GTA and GTA2 are in 3D and open world, they just have locked overhead cameras. They tested the camera down behind the vehicle and didn't like it, the cities are totally polygonal and in GTA2 everything is actually modeled so it can be lit.

I think III is the only one that keeps the overhead camera. (I forget if IV allows it.) It raises the framerate sometimes quite significantly except on the Xbox version.
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Post by: Don Rumata on June 19, 2020, 07:12:37 AM
Interestingly, both GTA and GTA2 are in 3D and open world, they just have locked overhead cameras. They tested the camera down behind the vehicle and didn't like it, the cities are totally polygonal and in GTA2 everything is actually modeled so it can be lit.

I think III is the only one that keeps the overhead camera. (I forget if IV allows it.) It raises the framerate sometimes quite significantly except on the Xbox version.
I hated how in GTAIII, with that camera the aspect ratio problems came out super obviously (probably only on the PAL version though).
So if you were driving up or down, the car was shorter, than when driving left or right.

(Some PAL games on PS2 were squashed with black bars, and running at 50hz, instead of 60hz).
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Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2020, 07:22:23 AM
IIRC, there are some other perspective bugs when using it even at standard aspect ratios. I'm not sure if the game was long intended to be played in that view ala the first two games, they very early on switched to the behind view as the main one and the realization of what it did for the immersion.

I know I've mentioned it before but I find it one of the more amusing major bugs in a major game. On PS2 and PC, GTA III attempts to draw everything within "view", even if it's occluded and will never be seen. So backs of buildings, stuff behind hills, etc. it all attempts to draw. IIRC, the Xbox version is fixed so it doesn't do this anymore. They also fixed it by VC which really helps its framerate despite all the added everything and no hills to hide anything with. You used to be able to tell on PC's of the era. It's probably a major reason the overhead camera improves the framerate too.
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Post by: MMaRsu on June 19, 2020, 08:07:33 AM
Played all night. Game is still great despite the bad shooting. Tbf it always had bad shooting.

Why not play the PC version where you just shoot with your mouse and have free aim? A much better experience :)
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Post by: porkbun on June 19, 2020, 10:12:04 AM
I have several GTA games on my tablet that I have replayed through over the past few months (before COVID I had a long bus commute).  I have played through III, San Andreas, and Liberty City Stories, currently on Vice City.  I wish Vice City Stories was available on mobile.  I only played through it once on PS2 and remember it being a really fun game.
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Post by: Himu on June 19, 2020, 11:15:13 AM
Played all night. Game is still great despite the bad shooting. Tbf it always had bad shooting.

Why not play the PC version where you just shoot with your mouse and have free aim? A much better experience :)

I already know and told TIMU about them before because he's too stupid to try them. I don't feel like dling it and the steam versions as far as I am concerned are no longer complete because the music soundtracks have been changed due to licensing. Finally, if I play them on pc I'll have to deal with Rockstar's horrific app.
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Post by: thisismyusername on June 19, 2020, 11:55:02 AM
Played all night. Game is still great despite the bad shooting. Tbf it always had bad shooting.

Why not play the PC version where you just shoot with your mouse and have free aim? A much better experience :)

I already know and told TIMU about them before because he's too stupid to try them. I don't feel like dling it and the steam versions as far as I am concerned are no longer complete because the music soundtracks have been changed due to licensing. Finally, if I play them on pc I'll have to deal with Rockstar's horrific app.

1) :umad
2) I played the X-box version and thus that's what I'm used to. I'm not going to relearn muscle-memory just for "better aiming" especially with no improvements that the X-box version did (no shit grain filter, better performance, etc) that never got backported to PC (Fuck you, Rockstar)
3) Steam versions of the 3-era games do not require the Rockstar Launcher. You're thinking of 4 which got retrofitted with that because Rockstar is stupid and couldn't excise GfWL completely.
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Post by: MMaRsu on June 19, 2020, 12:43:24 PM
Played all night. Game is still great despite the bad shooting. Tbf it always had bad shooting.

Why not play the PC version where you just shoot with your mouse and have free aim? A much better experience :)

I already know and told TIMU about them before because he's too stupid to try them. I don't feel like dling it and the steam versions as far as I am concerned are no longer complete because the music soundtracks have been changed due to licensing. Finally, if I play them on pc I'll have to deal with Rockstar's horrific app.

Just pirate the old versions, nobody cares (I agree the Steam versrions suck with removed music)
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Post by: Himu on June 19, 2020, 02:50:23 PM
Nah wanna play with controller rn
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Post by: MMaRsu on June 19, 2020, 04:45:16 PM
I mean not sure, but you could probably use a ds4 for the pc versions and they might work? I dunno
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Post by: who is ted danson? on June 19, 2020, 05:07:26 PM
I've been playing VC with the definitive mod pack (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=706270825&insideModal=0) the past week or so. The same guy has similar packs for the other classic R* games. Fixes/restores a lot of broken or removed shit, and uses the best assets/models from the various versions. All the mods included are listed so you could just install individually/manually if you wanted. If you get the definitive pack make sure to get the large address aware fix mentioned in the comments on the steam page.

On controllers, I was able to use a 360 controller just fine for the RC copter mission thanks to the included GInput mod (it even adds 360/DS controller icons). Aside from that mission I haven't bothered with a controller, but I'm sure you can rebind buttons and enable console auto aim (if not there is probably a mod for that).
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Post by: toku on June 19, 2020, 05:27:34 PM
I was talking to a friend recently about what our dream 6 would be and I'd really like them to go back to a mute protagonist. Take it a step further though and just make it a custom character to further integrate GTA:O into GTA. Set it right back in LC too.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
also bring back GTAIV car physics bless up
[close]
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Post by: Don Rumata on June 19, 2020, 05:40:11 PM
i can't decide which is better, GTA3 or Vice City

maybe i'd go with GTA3, the setting actually is a bit better, that grimy liberty city esthetic, there's something about it that's really nice, a vibe u dont get anywhere in vice city
Same, but bikes and helicopters in VC are God Tier.
The map is really boring though, i get that Miami is geographically flat, but there's very little variety and it feels smaller than 3's.
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Post by: porkbun on June 19, 2020, 05:50:17 PM
I was talking to a friend recently about what our dream 6 would be and I'd really like them to go back to a mute protagonist. Take it a step further though and just make it a custom character to further integrate GTA:O into GTA. Set it right back in LC too.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
also bring back GTAIV car physics bless up
[close]

This is what I thought GTA:O was supposed to be, like you could create an online character that you could level up and then use in the single player mode as one of the people on big missions like heists, and then use the money you got from that to buy stuff in online.  But I guess that would take some skill vs whales spamming Shark Cards.
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Post by: Himu on June 19, 2020, 07:08:02 PM
I was talking to a friend recently about what our dream 6 would be and I'd really like them to go back to a mute protagonist. Take it a step further though and just make it a custom character to further integrate GTA:O into GTA. Set it right back in LC too.


I'd like this.

There would be no reason to make them mute though. Saints Row also has custom character and they talk in 2 and 3.

Not that I have a problem with mute.

I love how cool and laid back Claude is.

Luigi: Some wiseguy has been introducing this trash to my girls down in Portland Harbor. Introduce a BAT TO HIS FACE! Then take his car, RESPRAY IT! I WANT COMPENSATION FOR THIS INSULT!

*Claude  just does a cool head nod*

I love being a low level criminal for hire in GTA3. I dislike the rags to riches get rich stuff in VC, SA, and V. It works well for VC considering the Scarface theme but I want to play a downright THUG.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHIPqOA6fx0

Claude the GOAT.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 19, 2020, 11:46:50 PM
I like GTA3 more. Mostly because I like the city more and it's the first one I played. Got it with my PS2 for Xmas 2001 and life was never the same. I've never been to Miami, but I am from Chicago. So Liberty City is more recognizable to me.

Also as I've gotten older I kind of like the simpler and more stylishly told story. It's a strange minimal and abstract Mafia story with a whatever lead. Compared to Vice and San Andreas which wear their movie inspirations on their sleeve and the very please take me seriously 4.
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Post by: Himu on June 20, 2020, 12:01:07 AM
gta3 easily has my favorite gta story. 2's is cool too.

It's so minimalist and straight to the point. As Rah said, I love how more abstract and yet normal it is. I feel like they try too much after Vice City. San Andreas is almost non sensical, I won't get into IV as it's beating a dead horse, I loved some ideas in V but it has a lot of bad part too. III is the most grounded (next to Vice) and it's about the city as much as it's about Claude. The gangsters you work for and their rivalries make up the entirety of the story and what it conveys. TBH, that's enough for me. This is why I really liked Saints Row 2 and its story. Keep it simple. Keep it about gangs.

The mission where the Godfather betrays Claude :delicious

The mission where you assassinate him :delicious

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Post by: El Babua on June 20, 2020, 12:26:48 AM
My favorite part about the design of GTA 3 is how open ended the missions are. It felt like the developers were designing both the map and the missions simultaneously, while in later games, they felt more and more separate.

Also, the whole "Gang War" period in the game between the mafia and the Traids was fucking awesome. Fucking gunfights and exploding cars busting out of every corner of the map. IIRC it even persists in-between missions until you blew up the fish factory or something. Absolutely stunned no other GTA game kept that concept going.
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Post by: Himu on June 20, 2020, 12:28:45 AM
"More tolerable, less annoying, b better variety of weird noises between songs, the station your parents warned you about, more commercials, fewer songs, bigger contests, more winners, fewer positioning statements! This Is The One and Only.... HEAD RADIO!"

The satire was the best in III and VC. It feels like they try too hard now. It's too crude these days. This was very on point for radio stations back then.
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Post by: Himu on June 20, 2020, 12:33:22 AM
My favorite part about the design of GTA 3 is how open ended the missions are. It felt like the developers were designing both the map and the missions simultaneously, while in later games, they felt more and more separate.


Same.

Here's a basic early mission:

Chunky Lee Chong. Dude's in Chinatown and has a getaway car if you explore. If you want, you blow it up or full on move it. When you start to chase him you can just go on foot and fill him with lead.

Or you can use the cars remains to block his path so he doesn't come out the alley and just kick hiss ass while he's trying to find an escape.

And that's if you destroy his car. The regular mission route is to have a car chase and get via drive by.

It's a basic mission but shows off how much freedom you have. Later games are far more linear. I think it's because GTAIII was so damn hard and a big part of that was coming up with your own strategy (like taking out Salvatore) so they basically streamlined it.
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Post by: Himu on June 20, 2020, 12:41:41 AM
Talking about and playing this makes me sad. People that have known me for a long time know that I was known as the open world person on gaf/thebore. It was one of my favorite genres. Yet I can't get into the modern ones. It sucks hearing all these accolades for stuff like Witcher 3 and thinking it's boring as fuck when you used to love big, open world games the most. Sucks total ass. Haven't played Horizon or those other games. Looking forward to Cyberpunk. Haven't even played RDR2 yet and I used to be a Rockstar diehard that would play everything they make. :fbm

I actually think the genre is much, much worse. Open world games need to take out gps trackers. I know every single location in GTAIII even after years away. It's burned into my brain. Why and how? Taxi missions and exploration without gps. I really enjoyed playing FFVIIR without a map or waypoint. Maybe I just need to turn that shit off to enjoy the games again.
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Post by: Don Rumata on June 20, 2020, 01:24:05 AM
My favorite part about the design of GTA 3 is how open ended the missions are. It felt like the developers were designing both the map and the missions simultaneously, while in later games, they felt more and more separate.

Also, the whole "Gang War" period in the game between the mafia and the Traids was fucking awesome. Fucking gunfights and exploding cars busting out of every corner of the map. IIRC it even persists in-between missions until you blew up the fish factory or something. Absolutely stunned no other GTA game kept that concept going.
Didnt San Andreas have a riot phase near the end of the campaign?
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Post by: El Babua on June 20, 2020, 01:38:25 AM
My favorite part about the design of GTA 3 is how open ended the missions are. It felt like the developers were designing both the map and the missions simultaneously, while in later games, they felt more and more separate.

Also, the whole "Gang War" period in the game between the mafia and the Traids was fucking awesome. Fucking gunfights and exploding cars busting out of every corner of the map. IIRC it even persists in-between missions until you blew up the fish factory or something. Absolutely stunned no other GTA game kept that concept going.
Didnt San Andreas have a riot phase near the end of the campaign?

Yep! Might have been only before the final mission. Can't remember.
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Post by: Himu on June 20, 2020, 01:42:21 AM
yeah it was before final mission
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2020, 10:14:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPytfSy-04

:bow
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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 20, 2020, 10:26:25 AM
Talking about and playing this makes me sad. People that have known me for a long time know that I was known as the open world person on gaf/thebore. It was one of my favorite genres. Yet I can't get into the modern ones. It sucks hearing all these accolades for stuff like Witcher 3 and thinking it's boring as fuck when you used to love big, open world games the most. Sucks total ass. Haven't played Horizon or those other games. Looking forward to Cyberpunk. Haven't even played RDR2 yet and I used to be a Rockstar diehard that would play everything they make. :fbm

I actually think the genre is much, much worse. Open world games need to take out gps trackers. I know every single location in GTAIII even after years away. It's burned into my brain. Why and how? Taxi missions and exploration without gps. I really enjoyed playing FFVIIR without a map or waypoint. Maybe I just need to turn that shit off to enjoy the games again.

Have you played Breath of the Wild at all? It's one of the only open world games I've enjoyed in about 15ish years.

Also, this thread is making me want to play SR 2-4 again (Vice City to a lesser extent, too)
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Post by: Himu on June 20, 2020, 12:11:47 PM
BOTW did resurrect my open world spirit. Still haven't beaten it. Game too huge.
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Post by: Tuckers Law on June 20, 2020, 12:13:52 PM
You gotta get back on it, Hyrule Castle is a godlike experience IMO.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 20, 2020, 12:19:29 PM
BOTW did resurrect my open world spirit. Still haven't beaten it. Game too huge.

I sympathize. At one point I was like, "well, I guess if I don't just fucking beat this I'll wander around forever" which wouldn't have been awful but I had promised my roommate she could play the game when I beat it and the last week or so I was playing she would just hang out in my room and watch me like a weirdo so I wanted to be done with it.

You gotta get back on it, Hyrule Castle is a godlike experience IMO.

lol, I actually avoided most of the castle by brewing up a fuck ton of stamina items and then just climbing the castle/tower from the back all the way to the top.
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Post by: MMaRsu on June 20, 2020, 12:44:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPytfSy-04

:bow

Probably the best one
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Post by: Tuckers Law on June 20, 2020, 01:02:36 PM

lol, I actually avoided most of the castle by brewing up a fuck ton of stamina items and then just climbing the castle/tower from the back all the way to the top.

I feel that’s the beauty of it, hyrule castle is a continuing extension in the games core design of being able to solve situations or puzzles “however you see fit”, and it was a treasure trove of geeking out for those like myself that love to explore all the nooks and crannies.  It’s my hope that dungeons in BOTW2 have more of that kind of design flavor.
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Post by: Cheddahz on June 21, 2020, 09:47:08 PM
this thread is making me want to play gta3 for the first time
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Post by: bluemax on June 21, 2020, 10:02:39 PM
Since there's nowhere to really go right now, I fired up GTA:SA on my PS4 just to feel like I was driving around LA again.

Things that are still good about that game:

The atmosphere (something about the over the top orange of Los Santos works)
The music

Things that are even worse than I remember:

The controls
Shooting

Love to be looking right at someone, have my character oriented towards the, press R1 to lock and and the camera spins and faces the entire other direction. This lock on makes From's implementation in Dark Souls look competent.
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Post by: chronovore on June 24, 2020, 05:30:02 PM
"This lock on makes From's implementation in Dark Souls look competent."

**praises the sun**
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Post by: Himu on June 24, 2020, 05:30:57 PM
Just coming to remind you that GTAIII owns. I still love taxi missions. I think I prefer GTA's taxi missions to actual Crazy Taxi.
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: BisMarckie on June 24, 2020, 05:37:39 PM
Do you mean Crazy Taxi or the movie?
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Himu on June 24, 2020, 05:38:25 PM
Do you mean Crazy Taxi or the movie?

I'm getting old. Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: BisMarckie on June 24, 2020, 05:45:02 PM
I have to disagree about Crazy Taxi, while the actual driving is kinda meh, but that game is so much better than the sum of its parts. That oldschool arcade feel, that soundtrack and that announcer going Hey Hey, let‘s go make some crazy money. :lawd
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Himu on June 24, 2020, 05:58:16 PM
I'm not dissing Crazy Taxi. I'm just saying I love GTA taxi missions more. It's so relaxing to me. Last night I did like 40 fares just because I find it fun as fuck.
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: BisMarckie on June 24, 2020, 06:05:40 PM
I get that, I sometimes play Euro,Truck Simulator 2  :doge

That game is better than it has any right to be
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Tuckers Law on June 24, 2020, 06:29:48 PM
I liked both quite a lot, especially the crazy box shit on the Dreamcast and GameCube releases.
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Post by: Positive Touch on June 24, 2020, 07:56:51 PM
getting max level in the ambulance game in gta3 is still on the short list of most frustrating things i've ever done in a game.
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: porkbun on June 25, 2020, 09:44:07 AM
getting max level in the ambulance game in gta3 is still on the short list of most frustrating things i've ever done in a game.

The only time I did it was on the PC version where I modded the ambulance to give it decent handling.

The one in San Andreas is a cakewalk if you do it in Angel Pine.
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Post by: chronovore on June 25, 2020, 07:08:31 PM
getting max level in the ambulance game in gta3 is still on the short list of most frustrating things i've ever done in a game.

I remember being so hyped, waiting for Liberty City Stories on PS2 to arrive (i didn't have a PSP at the time), and "getting ready" for it by playing Ambulance R3 missions over-and-over in GTA III. They're nearly impossible. GTA III has no map, and that horrible cardinal-direction camera with no analog control, and that ambulance wants to tip over all the time, and is made of candyfloss. Then it turns out LCS has full camera control, a street map, and maybe tuned Ambulance values. I ended up clearing it completely on my first try.

Honestly, I was briefly thrilled and then a little disappointed. :lol
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Himu on June 25, 2020, 07:32:26 PM
getting max level in the ambulance game in gta3 is still on the short list of most frustrating things i've ever done in a game.

I've done it on pc. I find it easier there than on console. Idk if they made it easier or what

I've always found it easier on the second island and shoreside vale than the first island.
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Himu on June 25, 2020, 07:49:49 PM
Anyways, want to emphasize how well designed this game is?

I've always loved how everything connects together and you're constantly unlocking crap but I appreciate it even more now almost 20 years down the line when multiple open world games don't have cool unlocks or rewards at all. It gives you so many incentives to fuck around and explore and that's what I've always loved about it. Like collecting 10 hidden packages actually gives you utility, getting weapons at your hideout, for FREE, with lots of ammo is a massive reward. Like usual, I'm always interested in exploring random places that are abandoned to see what I can find: a shield? hidden package? A free weapon? Its been so long since I've played III I forgot some secrets' locations and it's constantly teasing and giving me new crap, and I haven't even gotten off Portland yet. Doing Vigilante missions gets you police tokens at your hideout. Doing ambulance gives you free health and adrenaline at your hideout on top of infinite sprint upon completion. Unfortunately in III you don't become fireproof upon beating the firetruck missions but you do get a flamethrower which is just as cool.

Once the IV era began, side missions and exploring granted you far less utility. You don't steadily build up a monster of a character after hours of completing different activities, and it's what I've missed so much from the III era, where exploring every nook and cranny felt like it had its own reward.

III era is still GTA at its peak, I don't care what anyone else says. I like IV and love V, but damn, they're still not as fun to me.

Now that I've done 20 police missions, taken out 20 fires;etc. I will continue the story. Just started the Triad story line.

Still one of my favorite lines:

Joey: "Chunky Lee Chong is pushing SPANK for some new gang from Colombia or Colorado or something. I'm not really sure. Who needs details? You'll find him in Chinatown."

:dead
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Himu on June 25, 2020, 07:57:42 PM
One thing I noticed in just a few minutes of fucking around in VC was how much funnier and more clever the satire on the radio was in the PS2 era compared to 5, which is just so on the fucking nose and loud and obnoxious.

Yup.

VCPR is the height of GTA talk radio.
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Positive Touch on June 25, 2020, 11:22:27 PM
GTA radio storylines >>>>>>> GTA campaign storylines
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: porkbun on June 26, 2020, 11:13:21 AM
Anyways, want to emphasize how well designed this game is?

I've always loved how everything connects together and you're constantly unlocking crap but I appreciate it even more now almost 20 years down the line when multiple open world games don't have cool unlocks or rewards at all. It gives you so many incentives to fuck around and explore and that's what I've always loved about it. Like collecting 10 hidden packages actually gives you utility, getting weapons at your hideout, for FREE, with lots of ammo is a massive reward. Like usual, I'm always interested in exploring random places that are abandoned to see what I can find: a shield? hidden package? A free weapon? Its been so long since I've played III I forgot some secrets' locations and it's constantly teasing and giving me new crap, and I haven't even gotten off Portland yet. Doing Vigilante missions gets you police tokens at your hideout. Doing ambulance gives you free health and adrenaline at your hideout on top of infinite sprint upon completion. Unfortunately in III you don't become fireproof upon beating the firetruck missions but you do get a flamethrower which is just as cool.

Once the IV era began, side missions and exploring granted you far less utility. You don't steadily build up a monster of a character after hours of completing different activities, and it's what I've missed so much from the III era, where exploring every nook and cranny felt like it had its own reward.

III era is still GTA at its peak, I don't care what anyone else says. I like IV and love V, but damn, they're still not as fun to me.

Now that I've done 20 police missions, taken out 20 fires;etc. I will continue the story. Just started the Triad story line.

Still one of my favorite lines:

Joey: "Chunky Lee Chong is pushing SPANK for some new gang from Colombia or Colorado or something. I'm not really sure. Who needs details? You'll find him in Chinatown."

:dead

In III, it's best to take care of the side jobs first before the gangs start to hate you.  The Mafia in particular are a PITA because their shotguns can blow up some cars in one shot.  I also get 20 hidden packages right away so that you have the Uzi at your hideout.  It makes the missions a lot easier.
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2020, 11:29:38 AM
Yeah that's why I did all that before continuing the story.
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2020, 09:47:46 PM
Got most of the Portland cars at the import/export place. I'll wait for Staunton to get the blista. Need to spawn whoopee with vigilante missions.

Ran through most of Portland missions today. Still got it. No mission failures besides one. Missions like Salvatore calls a meeting and Bomb Da Base were easy because of years of muscle memory.

Finishing off everything I want to do in Portland before Salvatore's Last Requests. Need to do the rampages on Portland. Now that the triad war is over it'll be easier to do. Don't feel like dealing with that shit post-Portland.

Should reach Staunton tonight. My favorite island. Here we come :hyper
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2020, 10:58:50 PM
Piff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e03_Mk53OhQ
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Himu on July 01, 2020, 02:51:44 AM
Got a new 360 and this means a way to play GTAIV. DLED my previously bought digital copy. It looks like utter shit. Rockstar, please. I'm begging you, remaster this shit for new consoles. What the fuck.

Anyways, contrary to other people, although I'm critical of it, I actually love GTAIV to a point. The idea of a more realistic GTA actually appeals to me and I always loved the first two boroughs. I think the game falls apart after a specific point, though, and just stops being fun. I've always always adore the beginning area in Broker and moonlighting as a cabbie for Roman's depot. It always pissed me off you have only specific number of taxi missions you can complete before you can't ever again the rest of the entire game. Playing it for thirty minutes, I found myself loving the car controls and their weighted feel. In my older age while playing GTA3, I've somehow steered towards the more lopsided cars I used to hate a long time ago like the old style cab, the Esparanto, the Diablo Stallion;etc. I find these cars consistently fun to control and master now, and GTAIV offers more variations on that car take.

My problems with IV mostly stem from game loop. In 3 trilogy, you unlock hidden crap for unlocks so you can get new stuff and abilities. Like become fire proof, or unlimited stamina, or permanently up your health. So you have a reason to consistently play various missions, beat them, and explore. It works for a genius gameplay loop that constantly gives the player to explore every inch to unlock new crap. I feel Saints Row series has done a better job going with this formula than IV or V and it's a formula that I genuinely love. In IV, hidden packages become pointless. In that game, you have pigeons. Well, killing all 200 pigeons only unlocks a helicopter. Who cares. In III you get something new and cool every 10 packages. This keeps you wanting to explore and unlocking crap. This makes exploration consistent. IV has nothing like this and it's not rewarding. Further, the only special abilities you get are from doing friend relationships and they're basic things like Roman calling a taxi or Jacob coming with a car full of guns. Useful, but not fireproof anything like that.

It's almost like Rockstar didn't understand why some people even liked GTA.

So I'm not opposed some changes. I even love the game in some warped sort of way. Tonight I immediately drove my car on to the beach on Hove and just drove around in circles while listening to music like in the old days. I loved doing things like ordering a taxi and riding in the back, admiring the sights as they drive me. But the core GTA gameplay of abilities, exploration, unlocks is just missing.

Then there's the story. I won't get into it anymore but I feel there was wasted potential here. I like a lot of the early stuff where Niko works for the Feds, the whole Michelle reveal was fantastic, the entire scenario with Vlad and the Russian gangsters...but characters like Brucie and other storylines like Playboy show a tremendous lack of focus. I do love that Niko, like Claude, is basically a hired gun. A low level gangster. That's my shit. No robbing the feds for jetpacks, here. But it's like they were doing too much and it just lacked focus. I feel V had a more focused story. I think IV is at its best when it's more personal. The Glad/Roman section of the game shows this. But then it just wanders all over the place and you're doing this for that crew or that for this crew. It's like ketchup smothered all over a t-shirt at a picnic.

When you compare GTAIV with FFXIII or MGS4, I think GTAIV comes out on top the most by a long shot. I've clocked well over 200-300 hours in the game over the years. I've played and beaten it multiple times. I have such an odd relationship with this game. I love it but I also hate how disappointing it can be because I see the vast potential within it that it never reached because of a lack of focus, odd ideas on story that limited the gameplay variety (Houser going "Niko wouldn't drive an ambulance lol").

I can't wait to revisit it in full after San Andreas.
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on July 01, 2020, 07:27:53 AM
Should've gotten the Xbox One X. It runs the game between like 40 and 60 fps. Hovering around 50 fps. Resolution is still kinda crap, but whatever.

Also hoping for a remaster though.
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Himu on July 01, 2020, 07:30:44 AM
Xbox one x has like 25% of 360 games bc and 360 games were what I wanted to play. Psh..
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Himu on July 01, 2020, 11:47:23 PM
Played more IV. Cars are fun as shit, the city is so detailed and lively but there's no reason to fucking explore it. Where's the reward?! It's so baffling to make a city as amazing as LC in IV and not give the player more incentive to explore it besides explorations sake. An annihilator isn't nearly enough. It's BAFFLING. Game would be a grade A great game even if it still had the same story as long as there were more unlocks, side missions, and rewards.

:stahp WHY

THIS GAME COULD HAVE BEEN A CLASSIC AND MY FAVORITE GTA :stahp
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Positive Touch on July 02, 2020, 12:31:54 AM
well at least there's the comedy club
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: Himu on July 02, 2020, 02:01:47 AM
well at least there's the comedy club

:stahp
Title: Re: Cindi misses GTA to DEATH so she replays them in this thread.
Post by: toku on July 02, 2020, 12:26:10 PM
https://youtu.be/sUqm9o7twFY