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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Human Snorenado on September 01, 2020, 03:26:01 PM

Title: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 01, 2020, 03:26:01 PM
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-announces-ampere-rtx-3090-for-dollar1499-rtx-3080-for-dollar699-rtx-3070-for-dollar499

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The GeForce RTX 3090 is aimed at 8K gaming  at 60 frames per second, so it comes equipped with 10,496 CUDA cores that feature a boost clock up to 1.7 GHz. There's also 24GB of 19.5 Gbps GDDR6X memory across a 384-bit memory interface. The graphics card has a 350W TDP (thermal design power) and requires two 8-pin PCIe power connectors.

Nvidia touts the GeForce RTX 3080 as the flagship Ampere SKU. The chipmaker is promising up to double the performance over the previous GeForce RTX 2080. According to Nvidia, the GeForce RTX 3080 is capable of providing a perfect 60 frames per second gaming experience at 4K even with ray tracing enabled.

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/Z6HwUgq2o5aKs/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47i99sw1xjynkp3sj392xaoll6hgjkeeeq5gqu6zg7&rid=giphy.gif)
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Post by: Mr Gilhaney on September 01, 2020, 03:31:08 PM
3080? that's for poors now.

give me my 3 slot chunky boi, mr jensen.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on September 01, 2020, 03:41:58 PM
Im getting that 3070, although I do hope that partner cards will be available at the same date or close to it.

Or is it better to have just an Nvidia card? I always had a partner card I think.

Either way I hope that 500USD doesnt translate too 500 euro but who am I kidding
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on September 01, 2020, 03:45:27 PM
Im getting that 3070, although I do hope that partner cards will be available at the same date or close to it.

Or is it better to have just an Nvidia card? I always had a partner card I think.

Either way I hope that 500USD doesnt translate too 500 euro but who am I kidding

the brexit prices arent too bad, so maybe we can be lucky
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 01, 2020, 03:52:20 PM
I'll probably end up getting a 3080 next Spring or Summer, right now wtf is the point of playing anything in 4k/60 with ray tracing turned on (I'm ignoring the imminent existence of Cyberpunk obvs)

The 1080ti has done a man's job for the past 2+ years, I can ride it for another 6-9 months
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on September 01, 2020, 03:53:59 PM
I only have a sad ass 1060 3gb so that weaps in Cyberpunk 2077

Would a 2600x bottleneck a 3070?
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Tuckers Law on September 01, 2020, 03:58:03 PM
Im getting that 3070, although I do hope that partner cards will be available at the same date or close to it.

Or is it better to have just an Nvidia card? I always had a partner card I think.
I’m curious about this too.  I just recently built a new pc but waited on graphics cards since I knew these were coming up, so I’m wondering whether to get a founders 3070 or partner version.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 01, 2020, 04:20:48 PM
Saw people yesterday trying to sell their 2080ti's for $1000, rip.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: brawndolicious on September 01, 2020, 04:25:05 PM
Let us pray that AMD still has a competitive offering.

I only have a sad ass 1060 3gb so that weaps in Cyberpunk 2077

Would a 2600x bottleneck a 3070?

I think you'll be fine if you're playing 1440P or higher. I wouldn't consider replacing that CPU until AMD announces their AM5 CPUs like a year from now as it'll be a while before it becomes a bottleneck with any game.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 01, 2020, 04:27:10 PM
Im getting that 3070, although I do hope that partner cards will be available at the same date or close to it.

Or is it better to have just an Nvidia card? I always had a partner card I think.
I’m curious about this too.  I just recently built a new pc but waited on graphics cards since I knew these were coming up, so I’m wondering whether to get a founders 3070 or partner version.

The cooling on the partner cards is better 1000% of the time
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 01, 2020, 05:02:25 PM
I have a 2080 supper and just play at 1440p. Think that will be good for Cyperpunk?

Also please don’t make fun of me as I’m an idiot. But ideally if I decided to upgrade to one of these can I basically just swamp the cards?
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: El Babua on September 01, 2020, 05:34:55 PM
Yeah, should be plug and play, as long as you have the latest driver supporting the card.

Edit: As long as you go Nvidia to Nvidia. Use DDU first before going from Nvidia to AMD, or vice versa

I'm going to hold out for a possible 3080ti and do a platform switch to AMD as well. Zen 4 baby!
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: thisismyusername on September 01, 2020, 05:38:15 PM
Also please don’t make fun of me as I’m an idiot. But ideally if I decided to upgrade to one of these can I basically just swamp the cards?

lol.

But more seriously: Yes. Unless you're on *NIX (which you probably aren't by your own admittance) which would be a gigantic PITA if you switched teams (AMD/Nvidia).

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg1-UySXcAAcOqp?format=jpg&name=medium)

These bitches are fucking HUGE. No way in hell I'm getting these on launch, or like ever unless they actually shrink them to 1060-levels, which probably won't be a year or two.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 01, 2020, 06:00:28 PM
Actually seems like good price/performance ratios this gen

Are AMD going to release anything competitive, or have they given up on GPUs?
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Imagine if they didn't have Zen. they would be fucked!
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Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: naff on September 01, 2020, 06:07:50 PM
performance delta actually sounds worth it this time around  :drool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=cWD01yUQdVA
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2020, 08:31:21 PM
Im getting that 3070, although I do hope that partner cards will be available at the same date or close to it.

Or is it better to have just an Nvidia card? I always had a partner card I think.

Either way I hope that 500USD doesnt translate too 500 euro but who am I kidding
$499 usually translates to 599 EUR for a base model and 650 EUR for any model actually worth it (ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte).
Depending on supply and demand that price could be higher at launch.

With regards to bottlenecks, I think any CPU below the Ryzen 7 3700x will be a bottleneck for these cards at 4k, hell even the Ryzen 7 3700x probably won't get you all the performance.
At lower resolutions that shouldn't really be a problem. I would recommend 32GB of RAM though. That was already necessary for my 2070 Super to run smoothly. Oh and without an SSD you might as well install this thing into a Sega Saturn
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: eleuin on September 01, 2020, 10:17:43 PM
Wish this would mean 20xx series cards would bottom out in price but a 2080ti will probably never go below 400

AMD will continue doing their thing in the midrange just a shame nvidia is unchallenged at enthusiast tier
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Bebpo on September 01, 2020, 10:20:56 PM
Stats look really good and prices are pretty decent. I'm still more than happy with my 2080ti I got last fall with my new build and there's nothing coming out in the next year or so that looks like I'll need more for my 1440p monitor & 1080p tv.

But maybe in a year or two I'd go for an upgrade to a 3080ti. They're talking about doubling performance #s and it's pretty rare to get a 2x jump between cards. Usually is like a 33%-50% increase each year so I wait a couple of years to get at least double what I was getting in fps.

If I hadn't upgraded and I was still rocking my 980GTX, I'd get on the 3080 for sure.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Don Rumata on September 01, 2020, 10:59:42 PM
These are looking like a good upgrade, but what is this thing about PSU compatibility?
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2020, 11:25:37 PM
https://twitter.com/jen_spider/status/1300835036132970497
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: El Babua on September 02, 2020, 12:05:36 AM
These are looking like a good upgrade, but what is this thing about PSU compatibility?

You'll need at least 750 watt PSU plus a proprietary 12-pin to use the 3090 according to Nvidia. 3080 requires less watts but same cable. I'm pretty sure they'll include an adapter.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Don Rumata on September 02, 2020, 01:24:19 AM
These are looking like a good upgrade, but what is this thing about PSU compatibility?

You'll need at least 750 watt PSU plus a proprietary 12-pin to use the 3090 according to Nvidia. 3080 requires less watts but same cable. I'm pretty sure they'll include an adapter.
I'll wait for reviews/benchmarks anyway, but i hope the 3070 is gonna run on my modest PSU, because i'm thinking of getting in that, instead of a PS5.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Or maybe i'll get neither and wait for the 3060 and a PS5 slim.  :doge
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Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: kingv on September 02, 2020, 02:22:32 AM
Nice I actually
Have a 750watt power supply.

Rest of my rig is getting long in the tooth though, so probably will have to replace almost everything and just give it to my kid, even though for general
Computing stuff it’s still great.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: remy on September 02, 2020, 07:08:13 AM
Still kinda feel like the 3070 is priced too high, even if the performance is pretty crazy, I think people's perceptions are skewed a bit but the extra shitty price v performance ratio of the 20xx series.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: EightBitNate on September 02, 2020, 10:22:19 AM
Thinking of waiting for whenever the TI variant releases and selling my card between now and then - hopefully when second hand prices go up a little lol
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on September 02, 2020, 10:50:16 AM
These bitches are fucking HUGE. No way in hell I'm getting these on launch, or like ever unless they actually shrink them to 1060-levels, which probably won't be a year or two.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://abload.de/img/3090cmjj9.jpg)
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Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 02, 2020, 11:59:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7puH-8aCfBY
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: thisismyusername on September 02, 2020, 01:09:37 PM
These bitches are fucking HUGE. No way in hell I'm getting these on launch, or like ever unless they actually shrink them to 1060-levels, which probably won't be a year or two.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://abload.de/img/3090cmjj9.jpg)
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Seriously though:

(https://www.tweaktown.com/images/news/7/4/74648_01_nvidias-next-gen-ampere-geforce-rtx-3090-is-triple-slot-beast_full.jpg)

MASSIVE.
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Post by: Nintex on September 02, 2020, 01:19:53 PM
thicc boi
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Post by: MMaRsu on September 02, 2020, 01:51:26 PM
Delicious powah
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Don Rumata on September 02, 2020, 02:56:59 PM
I'm actually more than fine with my 2070 Super purchase in the beginning of this year, I can pretty much tackle any game I've wanted at Max & my 2 NvME SSDs are probably more than fine for this gen too.

I want to see when these 2070 Super cards even start feeling the heat, there's nothing technically impressive on the horizon that warrants these from such a recent upgrade so far.
Doesn't help that "next gen graphics" so far have been incredibly underwhelming.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on September 02, 2020, 03:16:00 PM
Thats cause there are no real next gen games yet

Barring Flight Simulator 2020
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Post by: EightBitNate on September 02, 2020, 03:23:53 PM
Fuck that’s huge. Do I need a new case?
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Post by: Rufus on September 02, 2020, 05:31:40 PM
Fuck that’s huge. Do I need a new case?
If you can pay 1400$ for a 3090, you can afford to buy a new case.

The 3080 and 3070 have normal dimensions.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: thisismyusername on September 02, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
Fuck that’s huge. Do I need a new case?

You might. If you have a standard "beige box" you more than likely will need those huge-ass 60lbs. steel cases.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Don Rumata on September 02, 2020, 05:50:36 PM
Thats cause there are no real next gen games yet

Barring Flight Simulator 2020
Not out, true, but they've had plenty of showings now.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on September 02, 2020, 05:55:33 PM
Thats cause there are no real next gen games yet

Barring Flight Simulator 2020
Not out, true, but they've had plenty of showings now.

I meam I agree with you I havent seen anything interesting yet
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: thisismyusername on September 02, 2020, 06:38:51 PM
Let's be honest: "Next-gen" will just be this gen + 2% better graphics. :doge
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: bork on September 02, 2020, 11:54:10 PM
https://twitter.com/jen_spider/status/1300835036132970497

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XbCWmY0eqY
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on September 03, 2020, 01:06:46 AM
Fuck that’s huge. Do I need a new case?
If you can pay 1400$ for a 3090, you can afford to buy a new case.

The 3080 and 3070 have normal dimensions.

If anyone is looking for a 3090 that's regular sized see the EVGA XC3 line (scroll down here (https://www.evga.com/Concept/Product_VGA.asp) to see the models available). They're the only ones I've seen making a dual slot 3090 (technically 2.2 slots but within even many mITX clearances).

EVGA also have great service ime.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: thisismyusername on September 03, 2020, 01:10:01 AM
I'll second EVGA. Both my GTX's have been from them and they've been solid.

Edit: Those look better, but looking at the product line, they're still 2.5-2.75 (nearly 3 slots) which is my opposition to the 3090/30XX line (bar the case requirements, of course).

Maybe in a year or two, Nvidia and crew will get them down to two slots with better cooling/die-shrink/etc. So I'm not exactly jumping for a new GPU (and even if I was, I'd be in the budget range/XX60's anyway), so the size decrease can happen for me.

Means I won't get any whizz-bang graphic options in Cyberpunk, but fuck: I barely notice half that shit anyway.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on September 03, 2020, 01:31:23 AM
Edit: Those look better, but looking at the product line, they're still 2.5-2.75 (nearly 3 slots) which is my opposition to the 3090/30XX line (bar the case requirements, of course).

I mean, only their FTW3 is 2.5/2.75 slots but I'm glad they make the XC3 model for those with more compact clearances.

So I'm not exactly jumping for a new GPU (and even if I was, I'd be in the budget range/XX60's anyway), so the size decrease can happen for me.

The leaks suggested the 3060s will release following the 3070s in October but we'll see. For even more compact dual slot cards I know Zotac has a dual fan 3070 model (https://www.zotac.com/product/graphics_card/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-3070-twin-edge#spec) but perhaps sometime EVGA will make a non-watercooled dual fan 3070 (or reserve it for their 3060).

(https://abload.de/img/3070n9kkn.jpg)
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on September 03, 2020, 06:07:32 AM
EVGA had some fuckups, but are usually very good at making good on that again. Really happy with my 1080TI from them
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on September 03, 2020, 07:02:44 AM
Some Nvidia 8K benchmarks (https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-rtx-3090-8k-hdr-gaming/) on their 3090 FE (and interestingly choosing to use a last gen Intel CPU, potentially indicating bandwidth on PCIe 3.0 x16 is sufficient):

(https://abload.de/img/geforce-rtx-3090-8k-g8ikan.png)
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Post by: Nintex on September 03, 2020, 08:01:04 AM
Some Nvidia 8K benchmarks (https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-rtx-3090-8k-hdr-gaming/) on their 3090 FE (and interestingly choosing to use a last gen Intel CPU, potentially indicating bandwidth on PCIe 3.0 x16 is sufficient):

(https://abload.de/img/geforce-rtx-3090-8k-g8ikan.png)

This is fucking insane :crazy

lmao without DLSS control runs at 8fps  :dead

 :nsfw
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg-4H88UYAErene?format=jpg)
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Post by: MMaRsu on September 03, 2020, 06:09:22 PM
https://youtu.be/A7nYy7ZucxM
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Post by: naff on September 03, 2020, 07:59:02 PM
tbh, i liked that because doom looks good and taht was a fun gameplay segment. i play with a 1070 at 3440 x 1440 locked at 60 with some settings reduced. i'm too old to be able to tell the difference in a meaningful way with some of the ultra settings :foxx

though i can imagine getting used to 120fps and going back would be noticeable
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: naff on September 03, 2020, 08:01:38 PM
i will definitely be looking into getting a 3070 or 3080 at some point in the next year if next gen improvements like ray tracing really become a thing and those cards do it justice
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: El Babua on September 03, 2020, 08:04:13 PM
4K is the new 1440P finally.
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Post by: remy on September 03, 2020, 08:21:08 PM
tbh, i liked that because doom looks good and taht was a fun gameplay segment. i play with a 1070 at 3440 x 1440 locked at 60 with some settings reduced. i'm too old to be able to tell the difference in a meaningful way with some of the ultra settings :foxx

though i can imagine getting used to 120fps and going back would be noticeable
Not just you. Doom is a great looking ( more importantly, amazingly running) game but I legitimately can't tell the difference with any of the settings past High. And even then high-> medium aint that much of a diff either
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Don Rumata on September 03, 2020, 09:26:32 PM
tbh, i liked that because doom looks good and taht was a fun gameplay segment. i play with a 1070 at 3440 x 1440 locked at 60 with some settings reduced. i'm too old to be able to tell the difference in a meaningful way with some of the ultra settings :foxx

though i can imagine getting used to 120fps and going back would be noticeable
Not just you. Doom is a great looking ( more importantly, amazingly running) game but I legitimately can't tell the difference with any of the settings past High. And even then high-> medium aint that much of a diff either
This is the case for a lot of games (at least for certain settings).
I can't count how many times the difference between "high" and "very high" in things like water quality is virtually invisible.
I haven't played Doom, but i think a lot of modern games aren't super scalable, so even at "low" they tend to be sometwhat good looking.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Svejk on September 04, 2020, 08:41:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2upZSyQHwNA
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Post by: kingv on September 04, 2020, 11:28:05 AM
I dont get why people are surprised that the new cards are better than the old ones. It's always been like this. The pinnacle card from last gen is always about as good as the high mid range from the next gen. It kinds of sucks, but 2080TI must have been your first graphics card to be surprised by this.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: EightBitNate on September 06, 2020, 07:58:51 PM
Sold my 1080 today. Think I’ll be good to just walk into Best Buy on the 17th and buy a 3080.
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Post by: thisismyusername on September 08, 2020, 05:43:02 PM
https://twitter.com/TechDeals_16/status/1303446513125928961

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf6wtcEhuFk

:kermit

4K is a meme.

8K is an ultra-meme.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Nearly everyone is still on 1080p. Give me cheaper cards and more VRAM for 1080.
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 08, 2020, 06:03:43 PM
1080peasants :biden
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Post by: thetylerrob on September 08, 2020, 06:30:19 PM
1080p in 2020...  :girlaff
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: naff on September 08, 2020, 06:35:55 PM
https://twitter.com/TechDeals_16/status/1303446513125928961

4K is a meme.

8K is an ultra-meme.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Nearly everyone is still on 1080p. Give me cheaper cards and more VRAM for 1080.

"Just saying"  :doge

bleeding edge graphics card upgrade is for niche enthusiasts and professionals of course.
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Post by: naff on September 08, 2020, 06:41:05 PM
i wholeheartedly agree that 4k is a joke when IQ in every other conceivable space is so low. like putting on glasses and seeing that your boo is actually a real life doll. i'd take 1080p and better lighting, more complex models, better textures, faster load times and higher framerates before an increase in res any day. those improvements take time and money and are hard to sell on vs "4K". i feel like we're getting to the era of marketing other areas over raw res though. "RTX" is a good start. been a lil' rocky, but it will be sweet when it's just standard and works well.
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Post by: Nintex on September 08, 2020, 07:10:35 PM
1440p is the sweet spot for PC gaming for me on my 27" monitor.

4k only has its benefits if your screen is large enough. On my LG 55 inch OLED TV it certainly makes a difference but it upscales 720p/1080p content very well too (so clean Switch games like Mario Kart 8 and BOTW look razor sharp without any 'jaggies').
I think the increase in res was mostly pushed hard because most developers adapted to FXAA, object based motion blur and physical based rendering and that made the general presentation of most games a bit blurrier.

Unless you pair your 4k GPU with a really nice screen (i.e. LG 55" OLED or equivalent) there isn't a huge benefit to the resolution boost no matter how much super sampling Nvidia throws at it.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 08, 2020, 07:12:56 PM
Yeah, I am enjoying 1440p though with DLSS I'm ok with 1080p DLSS'd to 1440p
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: naff on September 08, 2020, 08:21:05 PM
1440p is the sweet spot for PC gaming for me on my 27" monitor.

4k only has its benefits if your screen is large enough. On my LG 55 inch OLED TV it certainly makes a difference but it upscales 720p/1080p content very well too (so clean Switch games like Mario Kart 8 and BOTW look razor sharp without any 'jaggies').
I think the increase in res was mostly pushed hard because most developers adapted to FXAA, object based motion blur and physical based rendering and that made the general presentation of most games a bit blurrier.

Unless you pair your 4k GPU with a really nice screen (i.e. LG 55" OLED or equivalent) there isn't a huge benefit to the resolution boost no matter how much super sampling Nvidia throws at it.

There isn't a "huge benefit" to the resolution bump in any scenario for games, it's a marginal gain at best. Unless you're pixel counting the vast majority (99%+) will never pick out an internal resolution 1080p or higher upscaled vs native. Assets don't have the detail, and the human eye is too flawed. I don't think devs use of PBR, FXAA or Motion Blur really had much to do with it. It's a technology driven by marketing.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2020, 08:35:44 PM
https://twitter.com/TechDeals_16/status/1303446513125928961

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf6wtcEhuFk

:kermit

4K is a meme.

8K is an ultra-meme.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Nearly everyone is still on 1080p. Give me cheaper cards and more VRAM for 1080.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/bc1e643e29c7667399c85ca8dc10407f/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: El Babua on September 08, 2020, 08:40:09 PM
Playing very close on a 32 inch 1440p screen, I'm fine with the image quality. Especially since I'm running with Gsync.

Started off with a 60hz 4K monitor, but I had to sacrifice settings for the 2080 to run games @ 60FPS. Only game that REALLY benefits from a 4K output from a monitor in my experience was Witcher 3. Trees and foliage in the distance looked so much better and almost photo realistic depending on the time of day/environment.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Don Rumata on September 08, 2020, 08:40:50 PM
1440p is the sweet spot for PC gaming for me on my 27" monitor.

4k only has its benefits if your screen is large enough. On my LG 55 inch OLED TV it certainly makes a difference but it upscales 720p/1080p content very well too (so clean Switch games like Mario Kart 8 and BOTW look razor sharp without any 'jaggies').
I think the increase in res was mostly pushed hard because most developers adapted to FXAA, object based motion blur and physical based rendering and that made the general presentation of most games a bit blurrier.

Unless you pair your 4k GPU with a really nice screen (i.e. LG 55" OLED or equivalent) there isn't a huge benefit to the resolution boost no matter how much super sampling Nvidia throws at it.

There isn't a "huge benefit" to the resolution bump in any scenario for games, it's a marginal gain at best. Unless you're pixel counting the vast majority (99%+) will never pick out an internal resolution 1080p or higher upscaled vs native. Assets don't have the detail, and the human eye is too flawed. I don't think devs use of PBR, FXAA or Motion Blur really had much to do with it. It's a technology driven by marketing.
1080p can definitely get a bit blurry, depending on where you're sitting, and your TV, but it's hardly the first thing i'd focus my HW budget on, on that i agree.
However some effects on PC at "very high" or "ultra" settings, aren't even all that visible at 1080, like ultra crisp textures or tiny specular highlights, it almost feels like self fulfilling cycle.

Personally i'm much more bothered by shimmering and aliasing better fixed by temporal solutions, than straight up razor sharp IQ, i don't mind a bit of softness, if there aren't dancing pixels everywhere (thankfully DLSS takes care of both!).
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: naff on September 08, 2020, 09:18:19 PM
True, but I'm not talking native 1080, I'm talking upscaling using checkerboard or dlss techniques. Obviously for sub pixel detail in a high detail game native res is better, but still, upscaling a lower internal resolution ~1440p to 4k will achieve such similar results while freeing up gpu time for additional effects and frames.

I just want better effects brehs.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Don Rumata on September 08, 2020, 09:21:13 PM
Oh yeah i agree the push for native res seems more and more pointless, with how good upscaling tech is getting.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: remy on September 08, 2020, 10:32:06 PM
Only game I've played that really kills it in 4k compared to 1080p is SFV- The weird paint/clay artstyle benefits massively by having more pixels, game looks kinda murky at 1080, compared to how crispy clean it is at 4k, or even 1440p.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 09, 2020, 12:05:03 AM
RE2 remake on my pc with my 1080ti looked pretty, pretty good in 4k

:yeshrug
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Fifstar on September 09, 2020, 04:56:10 AM
Only tangentially related but I looked up some comparison pics of games running in native 4k vs DLSS. DLSS looked really impressive in most cases, but what also stunned my was how noisy some (modern) games look if you really pay attention. I mean in the past (way back) you almost cut yourself on something like Unreal Tournament running in 1024x768, but it also looked very clear. If you take a closer look at a modern game, it kinda looks like someone went over the pic with a small sponge. Maybe Control is especially bad about this. Makes we wonder if part of the benefit of 4k is partly that it cleans up some of the noise of modern rendering techniques. And DLSS seems even better at that than just native 4K in some cases.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on September 09, 2020, 06:21:26 AM
Im still planning on getting a 3070
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: brawndolicious on September 09, 2020, 06:30:39 AM
Only tangentially related but I looked up some comparison pics of games running in native 4k vs DLSS. DLSS looked really impressive in most cases, but what also stunned my was how noisy some (modern) games look if you really pay attention. I mean in the past (way back) you almost cut yourself on something like Unreal Tournament running in 1024x768, but it also looked very clear. If you take a closer look at a modern game, it kinda looks like someone went over the pic with a small sponge. Maybe Control is especially bad about this. Makes we wonder if part of the benefit of 4k is partly that it cleans up some of the noise of modern rendering techniques. And DLSS seems even better at that than just native 4K in some cases.

Modern games use TAA which causes a little blurriness. DLSS essentially slides into the TAA pipeline so the same aesthetic will still be there. There's a lot of compromises to the other AA methods where they either look glitchy or have huge performance costs so for now, everything is a little mushy.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on September 09, 2020, 08:53:02 AM
https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/1303014997908389894

1080peasants :biden

I use a 240hz 1080p screen for competitive shooters. Still the way to go there imo. But everything else on the ultrawide 3440 x 1440 or through the oled c9 tv.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: naff on September 09, 2020, 05:06:37 PM
im going to overclock my old 4690k even further and chuck a 3080 in there  :o  :-[

if i bottleneck the cpu or blow it up i guess i'll be committed to getting a whole new build...
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Nintex on September 09, 2020, 06:28:43 PM
Im still planning on getting a 3070
Just checked the Dutch prices on the 3080:
799 Euro (US MSRP: $699) for a good brand (MSI/ASUS/Gigabyte)
spoiler (click to show/hide)
$943
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3090 comes in at less of a premium surprisingly 1549 - 1699 Euro depending on the model



Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Akala on September 09, 2020, 06:59:13 PM
Only game I've played that really kills it in 4k compared to 1080p is SFV- The weird paint/clay artstyle benefits massively by having more pixels, game looks kinda murky at 1080, compared to how crispy clean it is at 4k, or even 1440p.

holy shit this made me look at some comparisons and  :omg. 
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on September 10, 2020, 12:06:32 PM
Im still planning on getting a 3070
Just checked the Dutch prices on the 3080:
799 Euro (US MSRP: $699) for a good brand (MSI/ASUS/Gigabyte)
spoiler (click to show/hide)
$943
[close]

3090 comes in at less of a premium surprisingly 1549 - 1699 Euro depending on the model

Yea 3070 it is
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 13, 2020, 08:24:46 PM
https://twitter.com/tansandaisuki3/status/1305050162792857601/
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Post by: Coax on September 14, 2020, 11:57:07 PM
Newegg Canada will have around 90+ stock for both RTX 3080 EVGA FTW3 and Zotac Trinity on launch day (https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/isrbwj/newegg_canada_will_have_around_90_stock_for_both/)

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90+? As in for the entire country? I get this is only 2 cards but seriously come on

:neogaf
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Don Rumata on September 15, 2020, 05:49:22 AM
Newegg Canada will have around 90+ stock for both RTX 3080 EVGA FTW3 and Zotac Trinity on launch day (https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/isrbwj/newegg_canada_will_have_around_90_stock_for_both/)

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90+? As in for the entire country? I get this is only 2 cards but seriously come on

:neogaf
If that's Canada, over they're gonna send 1, in a helicopter, directly to the Pope.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on September 15, 2020, 07:50:00 AM
Damnit I better be able to get my hands on a 3070
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 15, 2020, 07:53:28 AM
Nintex will get the netherlands only 3070 :biden
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on September 15, 2020, 08:04:00 AM
Nintex will get the netherlands only 3070 :biden

 :lol

Ye I dont think so
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2020, 01:18:53 PM
My sources tell me there will be an exclusive Epic Games voucher pack-in  :biden
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Post by: MMaRsu on September 15, 2020, 01:29:56 PM
Hahaha 🤣 goddamnit Nintex
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 15, 2020, 01:32:31 PM
Sweendawg hooks you up with the best gaming pc available and will upgrade all your parts for the next decade free of cost, the only catch is you can only buy games from the epic vidya store, would you do it mm :thinking
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on September 15, 2020, 01:38:19 PM
Dang I gotta say that would be very tempting but my gut still says no 🤣🤷
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Tuckers Law on September 15, 2020, 01:43:36 PM
Nope fuck Tim Sweeney.  He’s an untrustworthy cunt if ever there was one.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 16, 2020, 06:56:48 PM
The benchmarks are here and

:gladbron :gladbron :gladbron

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTeXh9x0sUc
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 16, 2020, 07:13:05 PM
Initial reviews of the FE cooler are actually really positive, too

:leon
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Don Rumata on September 16, 2020, 10:41:13 PM
Watched a bunch of reviews/Bench.
3080 seems good, but sucks too much power and i don't have a 4K screen anyway (although 3440x1440 is close enough) so i think i'll aim for a 3070 next year (as soon as i find a good enough price).
Besides, a 3080 on my PC would be like a rocket engine on a FIAT Panda.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: kingv on September 16, 2020, 11:26:09 PM
Watched a bunch of reviews/Bench.
3080 seems good, but sucks too much power and i don't have a 4K screen anyway (although 3440x1440 is close enough) so i think i'll aim for a 3070 next year (as soon as i find a good enough price).
Besides, a 3080 on my PC would be like a rocket engine on a FIAT Panda.

I looked at some reviews that looked at cpus bottlenecking it, and at 4K Ultra settings Even a For 4 thousand series I7 didn’t bottleneck it too bad as long as the settings were high enough. Makes me think I might be able to squeak by just adding a 3070 to my 4590k and upgrade the rest in a year or 2.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on September 16, 2020, 11:34:53 PM
(https://abload.de/img/sold-outwsj0g.jpg)

It's not technically pre-ordering if you can camp out for reserve tickets (http://i.imgur.com/tHXjYyc.png)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
For the first dozen since that's all the stock they have :lol
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Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on September 17, 2020, 12:26:45 PM
Realized without more context the above could be seen as my own experience when it's just a Reddit story :doge

Praise RNGesus though, managed to nab a card. Should be a nice upgrade from Maxwell.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: headwalk on September 18, 2020, 04:41:11 AM
did i order one from a reputable retailer? yes
did the payment get processed? yes
did they take my money? sure did
have i bought something that actually exists and isn't just a embryonic piece of silicon sitting in a vietnamese factory? time will tell.

i wasn't actually planning on buying one at all until i realised that my 1080ti would drop in value much faster than new cards will come down in price.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Ghoul on September 18, 2020, 05:05:11 AM
I watched the gamers nexus teardown, I love these guys, but considering you can't buy a card for shit it's also depressing, least they can put it back together and it'll still work.

Highlight of the video is Nvidia in their how to disassemble guide tell you to use glue on a stick to get these magnetic screw coverings off, which if you mess up could literally glue them in lol

Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX9Eh_NaC5c&ab_channel=GamersNexus

 As for me I should have a 3090 on the way next week, have the ROG-STRIX-RTX3090-24G-GAMING I need to get my CPU upgraded though.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on September 18, 2020, 07:10:36 AM
As for me I should have a 3090 on the way next week, have the ROG-STRIX-RTX3090-24G-GAMING

 :whew :playa

gl with the order
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: bork on September 18, 2020, 10:23:46 AM
I'm lame and will buy a new prebuilt PC with one of these.   Prices are all over the place- seeing builds for as low as $2000 and as high as $3000+. :dizzy
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 18, 2020, 10:57:04 AM
:titus
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on September 18, 2020, 11:39:18 AM
I'm lame and will buy a new prebuilt PC with one of these.   Prices are all over the place- seeing builds for as low as $2000 and as high as $3000+. :dizzy

Yeah because you are getting ripped off

Dont buy prebuilt man you are getting screwed
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: thisismyusername on September 18, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
All the folks triggered in here by the truth. :kermit

Enjoy your house-fire from your "PS5 Ready" meme cards, girls. I'll be sitting with the 1080p chads :girlaff 'ing at you for giving Nvidia way more cash than needed for meme "benefits."

I'm lame and will buy a new prebuilt PC with one of these.   Prices are all over the place- seeing builds for as low as $2000 and as high as $3000+. :dizzy

I know you're a rich-bitch weeb, but seriously: This was your first mistake. This is as bad as Tiesto buying a "gaming laptop," that shit is overpriced and depreciates quickly.

You'd get the same shit buying the parts yourself for much cheaper.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 18, 2020, 01:45:08 PM
https://videocardz.com/newz/gigabyte-confirms-geforce-rtx-3060-8gb-rtx-3070-16gb-and-rtx-3080-20gb

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Gigabyte confirms GeForce RTX 3060 8GB, RTX 3070 16GB and RTX 3080 20G
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: EightBitNate on September 18, 2020, 02:07:37 PM
I was able to get one yesterday. Probably like only 1 of 1000 people who have one right now lol
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 18, 2020, 02:27:46 PM
Enjoy your meme card bro :girlaff
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: El Babua on September 18, 2020, 02:34:16 PM
Graphics thots like myself don't care about what you 1080p medium setting peons think lmao

Want Nvidia to pleasure me with their massive cards and make my face sticky with glorious ray tracing  :drool
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Nintex on September 18, 2020, 03:16:24 PM
Nvidia the GOAT  :rejoice
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: bork on September 18, 2020, 04:26:47 PM
I'm lame and will buy a new prebuilt PC with one of these.   Prices are all over the place- seeing builds for as low as $2000 and as high as $3000+. :dizzy

Yeah because you are getting ripped off

Dont buy prebuilt man you are getting screwed

I got a pretty good deal on the desktop PC I got back in 2016- I remember people here saying it was marked up by maybe $200 over buying everything yourself and it is an absolute monster.  It came from Amazon Prime, so I got it with free shipping in 1-2 days and could have returned it no questions asked if I decided to go another route.  Plus it had a nice warranty (included for free) that I wound up using and was glad it was there.  It's in a small case and there's no way in hell I would have been able to cram everything it has in there that well/cleanly- it's thicker than a game console, but takes up less space than say, a PS4 does- the graphics card inside is like half the case!

I know you're a rich-bitch weeb, but seriously: This was your first mistake. This is as bad as Tiesto buying a "gaming laptop," that shit is overpriced and depreciates quickly.

You'd get the same shit buying the parts yourself for much cheaper.

The last time I messed around with upgrading a PC, I killed it.  :lol  I mean, I've taken them apart and put them back together before, but that incident just kinda scared me away from DIY.  If it wasn't for 'rona, there is someone I could work with to make sure it's done right though.

Going desktop means more power for a lower price and it's going to last longer, but if you'd prefer to have or just need a laptop, there's nothing wrong with that either.  I'm sure what Tiesto bought will last him for quite a while.  The laptop I have with a 1060 is still a beast for anything 1080P.  I only now just got a 1440P monitor and this desktop with its 1070 is handling everything great, so I'm no rush to upgrade.  I stopped looking at what was for sale because it's so tempting.   :lol

Probably the most tempting thing of all right now would be to get a 3080 and pop it into an external GPU case, then use it with my GPD Win Max via thunderbolt 3.  Would be pretty funny to see such a monster card hooked up to such a small laptop, lol.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: bork on September 18, 2020, 04:33:24 PM
I always buy pre-built.

Only poors have time to build PCs.

Indeed.  Could you pass the Grey Poupon?
:snob
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 18, 2020, 04:33:47 PM
As a Mac owner, I’m also team prebuilt :success
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 18, 2020, 04:47:51 PM
As a Mac owner, I’m also team prebuilt :success

Sir, leave this thread
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: bork on September 18, 2020, 05:00:44 PM
As a Mac owner

 :existential
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 18, 2020, 05:48:18 PM
:rash
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Bebpo on September 18, 2020, 06:01:31 PM
I'm lame and will buy a new prebuilt PC with one of these.   Prices are all over the place- seeing builds for as low as $2000 and as high as $3000+. :dizzy

What was that about PS5 bundles  :doggy

Sorry you're getting ripped off :(
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: remy on September 18, 2020, 10:45:45 PM
I can't post ona  forum moderated by a guy that buys pc pre builds  :existential this is too much man
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: bork on September 19, 2020, 12:51:24 PM
I'm lame and will buy a new prebuilt PC with one of these.   Prices are all over the place- seeing builds for as low as $2000 and as high as $3000+. :dizzy

What was that about PS5 bundles  :doggy

Sorry you're getting ripped off :(

The difference between you dropping a bunch of cash on a Gamestop vidya bundle, versus me dropping a bunch of cash on a PC, is that I didn't actually buy anything and will wait for prices to go down to something lower in the next year or two.
:umad
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Beezy on September 19, 2020, 01:48:03 PM
Willing to get overcharged hundreds for a new console, but won't buy Ninja Warriors until there's price drop. :confused
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on September 22, 2020, 01:02:37 PM
Why is there no info on 3070 preorders ffs
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 22, 2020, 05:16:11 PM
They’re meme cards :trumps
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 22, 2020, 05:28:29 PM
Why is there no info on 3070 preorders ffs

It's coming out in October, probably no info for another 2-3 weeks

:yeshrug
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: bork on September 23, 2020, 11:51:24 AM
https://youtu.be/JDUnSsx62j8
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on September 23, 2020, 01:20:29 PM
Nvidia confirms (https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/news/rtx-3090-out-september-24/) the 3090 is 10-15% faster than the 3080 on average for 4K gaming (in an earlier leak the perf was posted as closer to 10%). They also mention limited supply at launch to the surprise of no one.

Quote from: Nvidia
For 4K gaming, the GeForce RTX 3090 is about 10-15% faster on average than the GeForce RTX 3080, and up to 50% faster than the TITAN RTX.

Since we built GeForce RTX 3090 for a unique group of users, like the TITAN RTX before it, we want to apologise upfront that this will be in limited supply on launch day. We know this is frustrating, and we’re working with our partners to increase the supply in the weeks to come.
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Post by: naff on September 23, 2020, 05:47:13 PM
nobody mad about limited supply of a 3090 day 1 deserves to be apologized to
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Post by: Tuckers Law on September 23, 2020, 07:16:40 PM
Linus has such a punchable-looking face in those YouTube splash screens.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on September 23, 2020, 09:33:37 PM
Linus has such a punchable-looking face

Yes

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I actually like Linus but still
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Post by: MMaRsu on September 24, 2020, 11:33:52 AM
I cant wait for the day that the 3090 RTX seems like a Voodoo 2 card  :doge
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on September 24, 2020, 11:46:30 AM
Thanks to Nvidia's marketing the 3090 is getting flak for its claims despite it being a decent but pricey card. In a handful of the game tests by GN it's only a few FPS ahead than a 3080 OC'd. Additionally Linus found that in certain professional benchmarks the Titan RTX (Turing gen) vastly outperformed it, prompting Nvidia to respond that the card isn't considered by them a Titan replacement (and won't have the same acceleration benefits) despite Jensen calling it their Titan-class card.

So it indeed seems closer to a Ti class as some speculated. The most interesting comparison I feel will be with the 20GB 3080 since it would comfortably fill the gap in VRAM if priced well.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: BikeJesus on September 25, 2020, 03:13:22 PM
Purchased the 3080 at Canada Computers and I am second in line for the Gigabyte Gaming OC when the next shipment arrives. He said anytime from now until November. Excited.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on September 26, 2020, 02:52:30 AM
So a hardware issue in the 80/90 capacitor configuration from various board partners has been identified (https://videocardz.com/newz/manufacturers-respond-to-geforce-rtx-3080-3090-crash-to-desktop-issues) after both reviewers and users began experiencing crashes to desktop.

The short of it seems to be that Nvidia allowed some freedom for board partners to decide on how many SP-caps (apparently incorrectly referred to as POSCAPs in virtually all reporting) vs MLCCs (Multilayer Ceramic Chip capacitors) are on the back of the GPU chip, which when factory overclocked (the boost clocks) leads to instability if the higher quality/combination of capacitors weren't chosen. This doesn't seem to affect stock clocks.

At least that's what I can gather. Buildzoid has a long analysis (https://youtu.be/GPFKS8jNNh0). Only watched up to the 24m mark but the crux is between 16-23m where he compares cheaper SP-caps to better ones and the MLCC type and how some brands cheaped out on the better configuration (which he ultimately blames Nvidia for approving).

The FE designs went with two banks of the MLCC + four SP-caps, while Asus appears to have gone with all six banks of MLCC for their TUF (and from reading around Strix) and Buildzoid identified them as the more expensive type he's familiar with. EVGA caught the issue in their FTW3 cards before going into full production which led to their delay and they've addressed it (https://forums.evga.com/Message-about-EVGA-GeForce-RTX-3080-POSCAPs-m3095238.aspx) by using the same MLCC/SP-cap configuration as the FE. There's some debate whether Asus' choice of all MLCC is actually technically better than the FE/EVGA's choice but we'll see eventually (see the EVGA topic for discussion and later in the topic quotes from the Igor's Lab forums for example).
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on September 26, 2020, 07:11:42 AM
Except that Hardware Info tweeted yesterday that he had a TUF gaming 3080 with all expensive caps and it still crashes randomly
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: BikeJesus on September 26, 2020, 10:29:08 PM
I still game at 1080p 144hz so I have no desire to overclock. Only bought it because I have been working full time during covid and not going out anywhere so saved lots of money.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on October 01, 2020, 11:19:54 AM
After the dust has settled a bit it seems some takeaways are:

- The boost clocks were sometimes spiking too high causing power spikes when reaching the 2GHz range, draining the capacitors in such a way that created instability (per Overclock3d's hardware editor, among others including GN). The capacitors mitigated some of the effects of this but not all (hence seeing some experiencing crashes regardless of capacitor config). The fact that board partners only received very limited drivers from Nvidia leading up to launch, where (according to GN) they typically can only test a synthetic benchmark and not other real-use loads like games caught them off-guard with the spikes (leading some like EVGA to re-evaluate their capacitor config to address this where they could, apparently).

- Some cards are seeing lower boost clocks overall with the new Nvidia drivers while others aren't but nevertheless with some cards it doesn't affect gaming performance anyway (eg: the Asus TUF I saw a video on comparing the old and new driver). PC World, in tests (https://www.pcworld.com/article/3583894/nvidia-fix-rtx-3080-crashes-new-drivers-clock-speed.html) with the EVGA FTW3 Ultra (the pre-release all SP-caps version), found it was boosted about 10-30Mhz lower with the new driver in identical benchmarks (however an Nvidia spokesperson in that piece claims they're not doing 'anything' to lock GPUs below 2GHz).

- Gear Seekers in their testing found the instability only affected Windows not Linux with the cards they have (one of the few I've seen with a Strix, not sure of the others). Haven't seen others confirm this so not sure the veracity.

So ultimately with the new driver it should be addressing the spikes and there shouldn't be a practical issue for out of the box clocks. OC'ing one would still have to find the stable sweet spot anyway.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: BikeJesus on October 01, 2020, 08:18:03 PM
Canada Computers now has the gigabyte 3080 Master for an extra 130 bucks. Went in this morning to switch my back order. Still second in line when they come in. Also picked up an EVGA 750w power supply for $180 just to make sure everything will work fine. My power supply is a 650w 80 gold thing, which would probably be fine with a bit of an undervolt, but meh. When the 3080 comes in I just want to slot it in and wait patiently for cyberpunk to release. Once I know everything is stable, selling my old power supply and gigabyte windforce OC 2080 super.

edit: swapped power supply. First time I had to do it, everything went fine. PC humming along nicely.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: headwalk on October 02, 2020, 05:35:38 AM
so basically the original driver was revving the boost too hard.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Degausser on October 06, 2020, 01:47:53 PM
Any of you nerds got a 2070 or 2080 for sale?
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: BikeJesus on October 06, 2020, 05:15:03 PM
Any of you nerds got a 2070 or 2080 for sale?

I'll be selling my 2080 Super when I get the 3080.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on October 08, 2020, 05:23:49 AM
It arrived  :rejoice

(https://abload.de/img/3080y6k3l.jpg)
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Nintex on October 08, 2020, 06:34:13 AM
 :preach
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on October 08, 2020, 06:42:12 AM
It arrived  :rejoice

(https://abload.de/img/3080y6k3l.jpg)

You lucky son of a bitch
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on October 08, 2020, 09:36:03 AM
Temps seem decent with system all on air (surprisingly given how few fans I have installed) but only tried Death Stranding so far (highest settings, 1440p, sans DLSS).

Adjusted the GPU fan curve marginally to keep fans at 5% minimum below 30C, which dropped the idle temp by 20C+ without affecting noise much (though sans GPU system was dead quiet, will have to test more to see if I can improve this).

Idle: GPU @ 28C | CPU @ 32C (was ~28-30C prior to installing GPU)
Gaming: GPU @ 50C (average) / 60C (max) | CPU @ 54C (average) / 69C (max)
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Akala on October 08, 2020, 09:59:32 AM
https://www.pcgamer.com/evga-nvidia-rtx-3080-stock-queue-notification/

This should be standard going forward tbh.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Beezy on October 08, 2020, 01:29:52 PM
Any of you nerds got a 2070 or 2080 for sale?
I second this question.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Rufus on October 08, 2020, 06:35:38 PM
Temps seem decent with system all on air (surprisingly given how few fans I have installed) but only tried Death Stranding so far (highest settings, 1440p, sans DLSS).

Adjusted the GPU fan curve marginally to keep fans at 5% minimum below 30C, which dropped the idle temp by 20C+ without affecting noise much (though sans GPU system was dead quiet, will have to test more to see if I can improve this).

Idle: GPU @ 28C | CPU @ 32C (was ~28-30C prior to installing GPU)
Gaming: GPU @ 50C (average) / 60C (max) | CPU @ 54C (average) / 69C (max)
Note your highest frequency, then lower the power limit in afterburner (my 2060S at 80% has no performance loss). Should lower temps even further.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on October 08, 2020, 11:04:23 PM
Note your highest frequency, then lower the power limit in afterburner (my 2060S at 80% has no performance loss). Should lower temps even further.

Yeah, was considering undervolting leading up to this as some had some excellent results (eg: 100W less power but 1000 more points in 3DMark's Time Spy due to the added temperature headroom). If I could find the sweet spot it might be worth it.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Rufus on October 08, 2020, 11:55:31 PM
Lowering the powerlimit is the simplest way. Adjusting the voltage curve is not much more difficult.
https://wccftech.com/undervolting-ampere-geforce-rtx-3080-hidden-efficiency-potential/
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Don Rumata on October 09, 2020, 02:50:14 AM
How did the AMD event go? Had to work and didn't watch it.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: remy on October 09, 2020, 04:06:33 AM
How did the AMD event go? Had to work and didn't watch it.
25% performance gain 50 dollar price hike
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on October 10, 2020, 09:21:39 AM
So if I might want a 3080 over a 3070, which one would be the best?

Also I might do a 3070 and a cpu upgrade, im on a 2600x and my fans make a lot of fucking noise (not sure why)
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 10, 2020, 09:29:23 AM
Generally speaking I like ASUS nvidia cards, EVGA also makes good ones and as you can see above they have a sweet reservation system set up.

I think the only ones to outright avoid are MSI but that's more due to their shady AF business practices than anything else, shouldn't be rewarding them for all of this horseshit.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: BikeJesus on October 10, 2020, 02:40:12 PM
Canada Computers now have the Aorus Xtreme on their site so I switched backorder to that one. Gigabytes best 3080, and oh my that thing is a pig. 4 slots with a little LCD screen on the side that you can upload gifs to. What the fuck. Second in the queue when they get them.

(https://i.redd.it/7edq65in16s51.jpg)
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 10, 2020, 03:17:26 PM
This is truly the Big Chungus generation of video cards
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Nintex on October 21, 2020, 02:03:55 PM
Nvidia cancelled the 3080 20GB and the 3070 16GB SKU's.

Possibly because GDDR6X RAM is too expensive for such cards to make sense.

Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: naff on October 21, 2020, 04:44:13 PM
as keen as i am on one of these, still fkin hard to justify spending twice as much on a gpu as one of the "expensive" new consoles with no games. like, the only thing that lures me is playing cyberpunk "as it was meant to be played". reminds me of when i wanted that voodoo card to play Diablo 2 in all it's glory.... then picked one up two years later for fuck all.

tbh, i had no idea at the time really why the 3dfx cards were so much better, just pc game magazines had convinced me the 3dfx proprietary glide api was the shit and i needed it. but i didn't even know what an api was.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on October 22, 2020, 07:38:06 AM
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-3dmark-performance-leaked

Pretty weak performance for the 3070 imo..

I mean fuck.. am I gonna have to buy a 3080 instead of a 3070????

Then I will need to save up a bunch of more money :(

I have a 1060 3gb btw
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on October 22, 2020, 07:49:43 AM
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-3dmark-performance-leaked

Pretty weak performance for the 3070 imo..

I mean fuck.. am I gonna have to buy a 3080 instead of a 3070????

? They found it had equal to or improved performance than the 2080Ti depending on the benchmark, which is pretty much what it was advertised as from the announcements. Effectively 2080Ti perf or better but much cheaper (if one can find them at release of course).
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on October 22, 2020, 08:14:05 AM
So still worth it compared to a 1060 3gb you say
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on October 22, 2020, 08:34:57 AM
So still worth it compared to a 1060 3gb you say

I don't know what resolution you play at or if there are other bottlenecks but you'd still see an improvement, though newer cards benefit most at 1440p+ resolutions. You'd also have raytracing options unlike the GTX series. You can do some research on comparisons of just the 1060 vs 2080Ti but here's an older one comparing the 6GB version at 1080p vs a 2080TI at 4K (and the latter still averaging better framerates).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnWPsVdu-3c

Whether it's worth it is entirely up to you.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on October 22, 2020, 10:29:23 AM
Rn im playing at 1080p, my tv does do 1440p as well though, but I never use it cuz my graphics card sucks

thx for the vid but thats a garbo comparison..why would you not compare 1080p to 1080p?

I dont game at 4k so I have no interest in 60fps 4k either.

Still doesnt give me any idea what performance would be like compared to a 3gb 1060 as well..
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on October 22, 2020, 10:38:56 AM
Still, on avarage as you can see in that video, the 1060 6GB still averages from 45fps to 60fps most of the time.

So Im kinda hoping that cyberpunk 2077 will run with a mix of high/medium settings.. I doubt Ill get 45 to 60fps tho :(

But yeah those benchmarks..I dont understand it, I just want to see how many frames Id get with a 2080 ti if you play at 1080p
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Nintex on October 22, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
They hardly do such comparisons because it wouldn't make sense to compare a low tier 1060 to a high tier 2080 Ti.
In that case you have to look at specific game benchmarks like this one for Division 2 where they include a bunch of different GPU's, which is a fairly recent game.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://www.tweaktown.com/images/phpthumb/phpThumb.php?src=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tweaktown.com%2Fimages%2Fcontent%2F8%2F9%2F8944_24_division-benchmarked-20-graphics-cards-tested_full.png&w=1500&q=85&hash=0bb76f62ce4aad025d26af1b81ac8644)
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RTX 2080 Ti ~= RTX 3070

So you can expect framerates on average to double or triple depending on the game.
With a 1060 you're probably looking at 30fps - 60fps for Cyberpunk depending your settings but the recommended spec is the 6GB model.
I think at anything above 1080p the low VRAM is going to be your bottleneck.

There's nothing right now that really stresses the 2080 Ti at 1440p Ultra, except for Ray Tracing which has been solved with DLSS.
The 3070 like it, is a beast of a card. The Radeon RX 5700XT is roughly what went into the PS5 and Xbox Series X, so that's basically the type of hardware games will target.
At 1080p the 2080 Ti or 3070 doesn't make sense anyway.

It's important to have a balanced system as well, what sort of CPU are you running?

For example, it might be better to pair a Ryzen 3600 with an RX 5700XT (= PS5/XSX) than pair a 3rd or 4th gen i5 with a 3070.
I already have that issue with my 2070 Super, my i7-4790k and DDR3 RAM can't keep up, especially in VR so I'm looking to upgrade to a Ryzen 5900X or 5800X.

Basically everything from a Radeon RX 5700XT up can run any current game at ~100fps ore more at 1080p or 1440p.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: El Babua on October 22, 2020, 03:38:13 PM
I think you'd be good if you had a 6GB 1060. The 3GB has been a bottleneck since the card released  :doge

The 3070 seems like a great value and one of the best gen on gen jumps Nvidia has had - especially compared to their prior model in that category.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on October 22, 2020, 03:55:26 PM
Right now I have a MSI Gaming 470 mobo, Ryzen 2600x and 32GB Ram but it's only running at 2666hz
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Nintex on October 22, 2020, 04:26:26 PM
CPU wise a 2600x should be fine, you'll probably get a 10% - 20% performance hit compared to pairing it with a more capable CPU mostly at lower resolutions where it doesn't matter anyway.
You can always swap it for a 3600/3600X or 3600XT depending on what you can find the cheapest later. I bet you'll see lots of people selling theirs when the 5000-series drops and they upgrade.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: BikeJesus on October 23, 2020, 10:14:52 PM
So still worth it compared to a 1060 3gb you say

I went from a 1060 to a 2080 Super, and it is a huge difference. I game at 1080. With the 1060, I would hope to get 60fps with medium/high settings. Now with the 2080 Super, I aim for 120fps at high.

Getting DLSS and ray tracing is nice as well. You will be very happy with 2080ti performance and better RT power.

I am still waiting for my 3080 Xtreme. I swear if I see Canada Computers get the 3090 Xtreme in stock I am going to go grab it for another $1100 bucks on top of the $1300 I already put down for the 3080. Fuck it.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: brawndolicious on October 24, 2020, 02:19:27 AM
As a survivor in the wasteland of this patriarchal/capitalistic society (aka AMD fanboy), I just can't stand the title of this thread anymore.

It's saying the cards are here, but that's some loophole bullshit. At most, it's hopeful.

A dream.

A goal.

To dangle.

At an angle.

And that's the truth.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on October 24, 2020, 03:58:02 AM
Yeah I think it will be months before I can obtain one

*Cries*
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Nintex on October 24, 2020, 07:05:41 AM
Yeah I think it will be months before I can obtain one

*Cries*
You can pre-order at Alternate.
They've also made a tool to see your place in the waiting line
https://www.alternate.nl/nvidia/rtx-3000-info/theme/42595 (https://www.alternate.nl/nvidia/rtx-3000-info/theme/42595)

I hear the ASUS TUF ones that have been listed since launch have a long waiting list right now but models introduced later like the Gigabyte Vision have a shorter waiting time.
Your best bet to get it this year is to pre-order now. But considering you're not planning to play in 4k, I would just get a 5700XT for over half the price.
On average the 3080 costs 850 - 950 Euro. While you can find a 5700XT for < 400 or so or wait to see what AMD does with the Big Navi in a few weeks.

You can also wait for the 3070. Pre-orders should open fairly soon (as it launches the 29th) and lots of people already have their money tied up in one or two 3080 pre-orders.
Again if you don't plan to play in 4k, you will hardly stress the 3080 and isn't worth it.

If you have money to spend, people are having more luck getting the 3090 because there's less demand, but it costs a whooping 1800 -2000 Euro  :money
Nvidia just vastly underestimated demand and when you think about it, that isn't so strange considering who is jumping on these cards

- Upgrades from GTX 9XX gen
- Upgrades from GTX 10XX gen
- Upgrades from RTX 20XX gen
- Team red switching to green
- Console gamers switching to PC
- New Ryzen 5XXX / i7 10th gen builds
- Cyberpunk 2077 + MS FlightSim
- Early 8k adapters
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on October 24, 2020, 07:31:03 AM
Yeah ill just preorder a 3070 when they go live but its hard to know which card from which manufacturer I want
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Nintex on October 24, 2020, 08:59:15 AM
Yeah ill just preorder a 3070 when they go live but its hard to know which card from which manufacturer I want
Gigabyte, MSI or ASUS is your best bet and EVGA but those are not very common in Europe.

For my 2070 Super I went with the Gigabyte Aorus because the clocks were just  :whew and they offer the most connections (6 ports on Aorus). Their software is still garbage though.
MSI probably has the best software but quite conservative clocks. ASUS is often a bit more expensive and stingy on ports and features but seen as reliable.

With my Gigabyte card I thought they had made a typo because it was over 200mhz faster than a similar offering from MSI but it actually hits those clocks all the time.
In games like Control with Ray Tracing that really made the 5fps / 10fps difference in terms of not dropping below 60fps.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: BikeJesus on October 24, 2020, 05:19:05 PM
Yep, my gigabyte 2080 super can sit around 2045mhz and Max out at 2100mhz, while never going over 70°C. It is advertised at 1830mhz. Solid card and I have no desire to try other brands.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 24, 2020, 05:44:31 PM
I can’t believe mmarsu wants to burn down den Haag with a meme graphics card :titus
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 24, 2020, 05:48:25 PM
mmarsu Aka mixed martial arts Russel :ohhh
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: BikeJesus on October 24, 2020, 07:40:27 PM
as keen as i am on one of these, still fkin hard to justify spending twice as much on a gpu as one of the "expensive" new consoles with no games. like, the only thing that lures me is playing cyberpunk "as it was meant to be played". reminds me of when i wanted that voodoo card to play Diablo 2 in all it's glory.... then picked one up two years later for fuck all.

tbh, i had no idea at the time really why the 3dfx cards were so much better, just pc game magazines had convinced me the 3dfx proprietary glide api was the shit and i needed it. but i didn't even know what an api was.

Free multiplayer
Way better/sooner sales
Adjustable settings
Cheap expandable storage
More controller input options
Mods
Many thousands of games from previous generations
Injectable stuff like reshade
Steam input. Honestly, this is the one reason I will never buy another console. Gyro in every game is too valuable.
High end VR headsets. My Index won't work with ps5 or xsex.

And that is just off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: remy on October 24, 2020, 08:16:23 PM
as keen as i am on one of these, still fkin hard to justify spending twice as much on a gpu as one of the "expensive" new consoles with no games. like, the only thing that lures me is playing cyberpunk "as it was meant to be played". reminds me of when i wanted that voodoo card to play Diablo 2 in all it's glory.... then picked one up two years later for fuck all.

tbh, i had no idea at the time really why the 3dfx cards were so much better, just pc game magazines had convinced me the 3dfx proprietary glide api was the shit and i needed it. but i didn't even know what an api was.

Free multiplayer
Way better/sooner sales
Adjustable settings
Cheap expandable storage
More controller input options
Mods
Many thousands of games from previous generations
Injectable stuff like reshade
Steam input. Honestly, this is the one reason I will never buy another console. Gyro in every game is too valuable.
High end VR headsets. My Index won't work with ps5 or xsex.

And that is just off the top of my head.
PC gaming in general kills the console experience, but I still think if you have a half decent 10xx or 20xx card a 30xx is probably not suuuuuuper nessecary until we get further into the next gen. even something like an amd 5600xt or 5700xt is still doing work.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 24, 2020, 09:00:06 PM
I have a 1080ti and I'm not gonna bother upgrading until more games support ray tracing. By that point, whatever the successor to Ampere is will likely be getting announced/released so hopefully I can snag a 3080 on the cheap.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Beezy on October 27, 2020, 11:19:24 AM
I'm not sure where else to ask this, but I'm still using this same PC that I built early 2014. What do I need to upgrade, assuming that I get a 3080 within the next year?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7wDN6h

Not listed here is a 250GB SSD and I upgraded to a GTX 1070 in 2016. I also got a 1440p monitor early this year because I needed a second one for my WFH setup and figured why not.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on October 27, 2020, 03:00:16 PM
Upgrade cpu to at least 6 core 12 thread (get zen 3 from amd), upgrade ram to at least 8gb x 2 at ddr4 3200mhz, and pick up a 3070 (3080 is overkill for 1440 unless you really want to spend the money).
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2020, 03:14:09 PM
Yeah you're pretty much gonna need to buy a completely new system because you're absolutely gonna want to upgrade your cpu, and to do so you'll need a new mobo/ram.

In theory you could keep using that PSU but it's like 6 years old, eh I'd get a new one. Like Skullfuckers said, if you don't see yourself jumping up to 4k at some point in the next few years I'd just get a 3070.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Beezy on October 27, 2020, 04:56:37 PM
Thanks, I thought you'd all might suggest that. I'm open to building a new PC next year. My nephew can have this one.

I do have a 4K TV, but I've hardly ever connected my PC to any of my TVs. And I don't plan on getting a 4K monitor anytime soon.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Nintex on October 27, 2020, 05:16:06 PM
If the leaks are correct the Ryzen 5600X single-core performance will beat the Intel i9-10900k and as it stands single core performance is still the most important for gaming.
That's a $300 CPU besting a $650 CPU in gaming. The RTX 3070 is actually on par and in some cases faster than the 2080 Ti. It remains to be seen what AMD announces tomorrow for the new Radeon series.

I think we're finally seeing the generational leap the PC market has been waiting for.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: El Babua on October 28, 2020, 12:08:52 AM
Really curious to see how much of an update the console generation after this one is. The 5600X may end up like the 2500K of this decade if Sony/Microsoft end up making the CPU relatively weak again like the did the previous gen.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: remy on October 28, 2020, 12:48:34 AM
the 5600x leaked bench mark is pretty fucking crazy. beating literally every existing intel cpu
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Coax on October 28, 2020, 03:35:54 AM
Watch Dogs Legion on Ultra in 4K is surprisingly pushing hardware, tested here with a 3090 + i9-10900K. Even with RTX off it struggles to maintain a solid 60fps in the benchmark mode. 1440p to me seems like it's going to be a better sweet spot for next gen if one wants things cranked.

That said could likely turn down a few settings without any noticeable loss in quality but still an interesting potential reference for things to come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH5dfOna6ak
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: MMaRsu on October 28, 2020, 07:49:48 AM
Another unoptimized Ubisoft piece of shit. To noone's suprise ever.

Not to mention another layer of DRM and virtual machine crap.

It also doesn't even look that great. Raytracing and reflections and shit don't make a difference when the rest of the game (character models, animations) look like PS3 level.
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on October 28, 2020, 12:35:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xUioPsLRKA

PLS buy this instead so i can get my rtx cards, thanks
Title: Re: Nvidia ampere cards are here, hide yo wallets, hide yo wives
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2020, 12:58:10 PM
6800 is supposedly roughly equal to a 3070 but $80 more, lulz

6800xt seems like it has potential at $650 tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haAPtu06eYI
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2020, 01:11:22 PM
AMD says they're working on an answer to DLSS with their partners (which I assume is Microsoft).
Without DLSS they just aren't competitive when it comes to ray tracing performance.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 28, 2020, 01:14:22 PM
As a console chad I onever quite realised how big these fucking graphics cards are :jeanluc
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2020, 01:31:43 PM
As a console chad I onever quite realised how big these fucking graphics cards are :jeanluc
That's so they don't overheat  :trumps
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2020, 01:33:16 PM
AMD says they're working on an answer to DLSS with their partners (which I assume is Microsoft).
Without DLSS they just aren't competitive when it comes to ray tracing performance.

They're calling it SAM and IF YOU HAD WATCHED THE FUCKING GN VIDEO I POSTED HE SPENDS MINUTES TALKING ABOUT IT
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on October 28, 2020, 01:44:25 PM
Lol amd vidya cards
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 28, 2020, 02:13:01 PM
As a console chad I onever quite realised how big these fucking graphics cards are :jeanluc
That's so they don't overheat  :trumps

I always assumed they were the same length as a phone, not a PS4 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on October 28, 2020, 02:18:18 PM
As a console chad I onever quite realised how big these fucking graphics cards are :jeanluc
That's so they don't overheat  :trumps

I always assumed they were the same length as a phone, not a PS4 :lol :lol :lol

A phone

Ru 4 real
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 28, 2020, 02:21:58 PM
I’ve barely even used a pc in the last 12 years, never mind gamed on one :rash
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: headwalk on October 28, 2020, 02:25:20 PM
3090 is dead and buried until a price drop. it was always a mug's buy anyway for people who needed the RAM for productivity reasons.

3080 is still probably the better flavour in that category. be interesting to see what difference 10GBS of GDDR6X vs 16gb GDDR6 makes. i imagine the 6800XT could've gone to $600 if it was actually possible to buy the 3080 anywhere. they need a good answer to DLSS yesterday if they want to compete without supply constraints though.

the lower end is weird now. feel like AMD should've found a way to get 3070 performance for $450 rather than better than 3070 performance but for more money.

looking forward to the head to heads.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on October 28, 2020, 02:48:11 PM
I’ve barely even used a pc in the last 12 years, never mind gamed on one :rash

 :fbm
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2020, 03:22:00 PM
I’ve barely even used a pc in the last 12 years, never mind gamed on one :rash

 :fbm
Now that's how you boycott  :mynicca
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on October 28, 2020, 03:44:52 PM
boycott these nuts
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2020, 04:34:57 PM
No Nvidia for you bub

(https://www.legitreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/sweeny-titanx.jpg)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on October 28, 2020, 05:24:20 PM
Lmao is that shit for real  :lol :yuck
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2020, 07:12:52 PM
Yes, Jensen gave Sweeney the first Titan X when he revealed it

(https://www.legitreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/first-titanx-card.jpg)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Coax on October 29, 2020, 02:19:31 AM
Some 3070s spotted (https://old.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/jjouuz/some_gigabyte_rtx_3080s_got_delivered_today_at/) in a Netherlands store (atop the pile and on the right). Maybe MMaRsu will get lucky :P

AMD's offerings looking pretty competitive in raster perf which is cool. Interested how their RT and supersampling features fare.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on October 29, 2020, 09:45:21 AM
Well considering I dont have the money yet right now, and I want to see which third party card offers the best performance, I might as well wait it out a bit :(

Theres a MSI 3070 in stock at alternate too
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2020, 10:01:30 AM
3070's seem like they're in much better stock, Microcenter are guaranteeing at least the first 100 customers can get one at every store today.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on October 29, 2020, 10:15:38 AM
I think thats really good news, should mean I should still be able to get one within the next two months. Might buy it for my birthday then, a few days before Cyberpunk 2077 launches. A great birthday present.

By then the dust will have settled a bit, and good reviews will be out as well.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2020, 02:11:24 PM
I think thats really good news, should mean I should still be able to get one within the next two months. Might buy it for my birthday then, a few days before Cyberpunk 2077 launches. A great birthday present.

By then the dust will have settled a bit, and good reviews will be out as well.
Sold out as far as I can see and won't be back in stock until 2021  :idont

My co-worker wanted one but dragged his feet ordering, when I kept sending him links.
When finally one was in stock he said: "What? 600 Euro for a GPU?" and I'm like dude, you're getting a GPU for 600 that would've cost you 1000 a week ago.
I've had known he'd balk on the price I would've sold him my 2070 Super for 400 and got the 3070 myself.  :doggy
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on October 29, 2020, 02:47:07 PM
I think thats really good news, should mean I should still be able to get one within the next two months. Might buy it for my birthday then, a few days before Cyberpunk 2077 launches. A great birthday present.

By then the dust will have settled a bit, and good reviews will be out as well.
Sold out as far as I can see and won't be back in stock until 2021  :idont

My co-worker wanted one but dragged his feet ordering, when I kept sending him links.
When finally one was in stock he said: "What? 600 Euro for a GPU?" and I'm like dude, you're getting a GPU for 600 that would've cost you 1000 a week ago.
I've had known he'd balk on the price I would've sold him my 2070 Super for 400 and got the 3070 myself.  :doggy

Where does it say they wont be back in stock till 2021?
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2020, 03:16:25 PM
I think thats really good news, should mean I should still be able to get one within the next two months. Might buy it for my birthday then, a few days before Cyberpunk 2077 launches. A great birthday present.

By then the dust will have settled a bit, and good reviews will be out as well.
Sold out as far as I can see and won't be back in stock until 2021  :idont

My co-worker wanted one but dragged his feet ordering, when I kept sending him links.
When finally one was in stock he said: "What? 600 Euro for a GPU?" and I'm like dude, you're getting a GPU for 600 that would've cost you 1000 a week ago.
I've had known he'd balk on the price I would've sold him my 2070 Super for 400 and got the 3070 myself.  :doggy

Where does it say they wont be back in stock till 2021?
On Alternate they now all say "Delivery in 2021".
Some other shops already cancelled orders placed today. Very few allocated for the Benelux.

It also doesn't help that the folks over on Tweakers place like 4 different orders to see what they get first.
If you didn't order today to get a place in the queue your best bet are shops that don't do pre-orders and just sell what they get in from time to time.
But they are jacking up the prices.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2020, 03:33:19 PM
Daaaaaaaamn the 4k rasterized performance on the 3070 is preeeeeeettttty impressive compared to my 1080ti

DON'T DO IT, SELF, DON'T GO BUY ONE
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 11, 2020, 07:06:38 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmipJnvXMAEgNB5?format=png&name=small)

Says it should arrive 25-11... jesus let it be so

YESSSSSSSS COME TO DADDY

Im 27th out of 27 in the queue though
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: El Babua on November 17, 2020, 05:10:32 AM
If the 6900XT can actually OC up to 2500mhz like these leaks suggest, then Sony might not have been too crazy to clock the PS5 as high as they did.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: headwalk on November 17, 2020, 08:00:26 AM
https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-smart-access-memory-not-proprietary-promise/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com

wonder what this means for benchmarks.

seems mental that up until now, both vendors just completely ignored a free 5-10% performance boost button that came as part of the PCIe 3 standard years ago.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: headwalk on November 17, 2020, 10:46:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k472QLQEdYI&feature=emb_title
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 18, 2020, 06:49:15 AM
cant for DLSS 3.0 so it can be used with any game that uses TAA

Would a 3070 hypothetically support that?

(https://www.tweaktown.com/images/news/7/2/72399_01_nvidia-ampere-rumor-nvcache-speeds-up-load-times-optimize-vram-usage_full.png)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: headwalk on November 18, 2020, 09:37:59 AM
benches are in for 6800xt vs 3080.

for pure rasterisation it's basically a wash. 6800xt slightly better at 1080p, 3080 slightly better at 4k.

with RT and DLSS there's no contest. if you're not at all interested in those things you can save yourself $50 by going red, but the 3080 remains the better overall package.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 18, 2020, 10:10:18 AM
And the 3070?
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Rufus on November 18, 2020, 11:11:42 AM
https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-smart-access-memory-not-proprietary-promise/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com

wonder what this means for benchmarks.

seems mental that up until now, both vendors just completely ignored a free 5-10% performance boost button that came as part of the PCIe 3 standard years ago.
https://www.computerbase.de/2020-11/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt-test/5/

Gains of 1-2 fps, error margin territory. Maybe it'll have more of an impact down the line.

And the 3070?
Toss up between 6800 and 3700. 1-2 fps difference in select games at 1440p and 4k, advantage 6800 at 1080p.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 18, 2020, 12:23:40 PM
My card has shipped and shpuld be here tomorrow :o

Next gen here I come baby!
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: headwalk on November 18, 2020, 12:57:46 PM
And the 3070?

best option for its price to my mind. 6800 is $80 more, marginally better raster but significantly worse RT with no DLSS/studio features.

think both the 6800 models are about $50 more than they should be whereas nvidia got it right for the first time in ages, except for the 3090 which is basically wallet abuse.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 18, 2020, 01:05:41 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnHb2iUUYAYwN5J?format=jpg)

 :doge

My card has shipped and shpuld be here tomorrow :o

Next gen here I come baby!
Where did you find it?
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 18, 2020, 02:10:25 PM
Ordered it from Megagekko.nl , really good website and the lines were short (for this 3070 only 30 people, and I was 19th in line today and they got a shipment and sent mine), I got the GIGABYTE RTX 3070 GAMING OC 8GB

But... looking at the inside of my case, Im wondering how the fuck Im gonna fit that beast in there at all O_o
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 18, 2020, 02:14:32 PM
Ordered it from Megagekko.nl , really good website and the lines were short (for this 3070 only 30 people, and I was 19th in line today and they got a shipment and sent mine), I got the GIGABYTE RTX 3070 GAMING OC 8GB

But... looking at the inside of my case, Im wondering how the fuck Im gonna fit that beast in there at all O_o
Awesome!

I'm still looking for a 5600X at a non scalper price.
It seems like shipments are expected next week so hopefully I can snag one on Coolblue or something.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 18, 2020, 02:28:27 PM
Ordered it from Megagekko.nl , really good website and the lines were short (for this 3070 only 30 people, and I was 19th in line today and they got a shipment and sent mine), I got the GIGABYTE RTX 3070 GAMING OC 8GB

But... looking at the inside of my case, Im wondering how the fuck Im gonna fit that beast in there at all O_o
Awesome!

I'm still looking for a 5600X at a non scalper price.
It seems like shipments are expected next week so hopefully I can snag one on Coolblue or something.

https://www.megekko.nl/product/4278/294824/Socket-AM4-Processoren/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-processor
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 18, 2020, 03:31:06 PM
Ordered it from Megagekko.nl , really good website and the lines were short (for this 3070 only 30 people, and I was 19th in line today and they got a shipment and sent mine), I got the GIGABYTE RTX 3070 GAMING OC 8GB

But... looking at the inside of my case, Im wondering how the fuck Im gonna fit that beast in there at all O_o
Awesome!

I'm still looking for a 5600X at a non scalper price.
It seems like shipments are expected next week so hopefully I can snag one on Coolblue or something.

https://www.megekko.nl/product/4278/294824/Socket-AM4-Processoren/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-processor
No stock  :fbm
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 18, 2020, 03:31:13 PM
How tf is she ever gonna fit in here

(https://i.ibb.co/q9MHJt8/DSC-0181.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/1Jsz6qZ/DSC-0180.jpg)

I already have the biggest case ever and I still dont know how tf im gonna do this, now Im a bit scared 😟
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 18, 2020, 03:39:33 PM
Do you have an ATX motherboard?

Then it'll fit, because the with of pretty much all cards is capped at the size of the motherboard.
My 2070 Super fits just barely  :lol
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 18, 2020, 03:46:23 PM
Your cable management

:jeanluc
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 18, 2020, 04:04:03 PM
Your cable management

:jeanluc

They are wrapped around the back but the cables were pretty short so I dont think there was too much choice

Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 18, 2020, 04:35:36 PM
 :karen Can I speak to the cable manager

Get a Fractal Design case, the cables practically manage themselves.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 18, 2020, 04:50:51 PM
I dunno man I'm no cable management wizard but still... (this is an NZXT H500 mid tower for reference, excuse the dust build up on the inside of the tempered glass, I've been lazy)

(https://i.imgur.com/7m0CWqd.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 18, 2020, 05:14:36 PM
Im sawwry dawgs I put this thing together with the guy who sold it to me (for 75 euro's lmao can you believe that?)

Id been out of the PC building game too long to know wtf I was doing and dont know what im gonna do tomorrow lol
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 18, 2020, 07:49:17 PM
Whatever you do make sure you record it :snob
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on November 18, 2020, 08:01:37 PM
the neon :stahp :foxx
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 18, 2020, 08:05:05 PM
MMarsu's setup is certainly Cyberpunk-y  :mynicca

Also is that a watercooler on that Ryzen 2600?  :whoo
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 19, 2020, 03:15:36 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/K7L2PT9/1060-timespy.png)


rn
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Coax on November 19, 2020, 05:18:45 AM
How tf is she ever gonna fit in here

I already have the biggest case ever and I still dont know how tf im gonna do this, now Im a bit scared 😟

If I can fit an EVGA 3080 FTW3 (larger than your 3070) into a mITX case and with tidy cable management you'll do just fine   ;)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 19, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/ryvgR1H/DSC-0189.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Fzjp2Fv/DSC-0191.jpg)

  :mouf :mouf :mouf :mouf :mouf

https://youtu.be/2Byz7eU8jF0
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Tuckers Law on November 19, 2020, 01:54:43 PM
How the hell are you people finding these?  Every time I get the chance to check a place, everything is sold out.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 19, 2020, 03:55:08 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/6BDdqq1/DSC-0206.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/35/bb/5a/35bb5a63b4e78fb731c85998a6b78214.gif)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: team filler on November 19, 2020, 04:12:53 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 19, 2020, 04:21:18 PM
How the hell are you people finding these?  Every time I get the chance to check a place, everything is sold out.
For some reason and I have absolutely no explanation for this Gigabyte has pretty much cornered the Dutch market in sales and supply and they always ship faster than any other brand.
Maybe it's a tax fraud thing, maybe one of their executives just likes this country I have absolutely no idea.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: team filler on November 19, 2020, 04:28:28 PM
the dutch have a direct supply  :curious
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: benjipwns on November 19, 2020, 05:31:55 PM
do you gotta have light up RAM to use one of these

 :neogaf
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 19, 2020, 05:59:26 PM
do you gotta have light up RAM to use one of these

 :neogaf

RGB ram runs faster, EVERYONE KNOWS THIS
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Tuckers Law on November 19, 2020, 09:43:49 PM
I gave up, fuck this shit.  Ordered an overclocked rtx 2060 to replace my ancient r9 380, I’ll just replace that with a newer card once I’m not having to use a fucking botnet to get a new card below scalper prices.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 20, 2020, 04:56:29 AM
I might jump on a good black friday deal for a 3800XT or something but I'm still in HOLD THE LINE mode for the 5600X or 5800X for now.
Surely stock must arrive soon  :tocry
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 20, 2020, 08:42:45 AM
AAAWWW YISSS

Snagged a 5800X should be here tommorow.

Now to collect the rest of the parts of this new beast  :rejoice
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 20, 2020, 09:17:11 AM
Congrats boi,after I sell this 1060 im also gonna order one

Need a new mobo tho or might just wait to see if they patch the x470
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 20, 2020, 10:34:48 AM
Congrats boi,after I sell this 1060 im also gonna order one

Need a new mobo tho or might just wait to see if they patch the x470
Some brands have already started patching, I think it was MSI or Asus that patched the B450 already.
X470 patches if they're doing that should show up for sure early next year.

Just ordered all the other parts, ~1500 Euro PC ugprade  :whew  :rejoice
Everything is getting replaced but the 2070 Super, 3 SSD's, 3 HDD's and Fractal case.

All that money saved up from no gas expenses and not being able to go out for bi-weekly dinners :corona_rodney
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Rufus on November 20, 2020, 11:03:07 AM
I gave up, fuck this shit.  Ordered an overclocked rtx 2060 to replace my ancient r9 380, I’ll just replace that with a newer card once I’m not having to use a fucking botnet to get a new card below scalper prices.
It's a fine little card. I have a 2060S and will use it until it claps out on me (or I can get double the perf for <300€ :doge).
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 20, 2020, 11:05:39 AM
Yeah for 1080p and 1440p the 2060 is fine on high/console like settings and it does DLSS which makes it all the better.
Also some of the coming RTX updates like RTX I/O will also be supported on the 2000-series.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on November 20, 2020, 12:53:43 PM
happy to see all our kings ascending.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 21, 2020, 10:42:34 AM
https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/11/20/report-cyberpunk-2077-wont-support-ray-tracing-for-amd-radeon-rx-6000-series-gpus-at-launch-after-all/

Lmao imagine buying a radeon card
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 22, 2020, 12:48:27 AM
Getting ready for Cyberpunk bois

(https://i.imgur.com/COHmzLZ.png)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 22, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
My new build has unleashed the 2070 Super and removed the bottleneck.  :rejoice

Before @1440p:
- Load times: 15 - 20s
- Intro / airfield: 40 - 60fps
- Vietnam: 20 - 30fps
- CPU temp: 80c

After @1440p:
- Load times: 2 - 4s
- Intro / airfield: 90 - 120fps
- Vietnam: 60 - 100fps
- CPU temp: 56c (loading) / 40c (gameplay)

That's with the recommended Nvidia settings (Ray Tracing set to high and some things on Ultra)
All micro stutters gone, all frame skips gone, all slow UI interactions gone  :whoo

(https://abload.de/img/capturejnj79.png)

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/53435570

can probably crank that score up a few points if I close all background apps but I'm statisfied my PC is faster than 90% of the other gaming PC's in the world.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 24, 2020, 04:27:39 AM
damn I want a 5800x as well, but I would have to upgrade my mobo as well :(

The x470 doesnt support 5000 series GPU's yet... they did patch in support for 3000 series, so they might patch in support for 5000 series as well?

Btw Nintex I already have 32GB ram..sadly I cant get it to run above 2666mhz..even though its a 3000mhz kit.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Coax on November 24, 2020, 04:35:09 AM
I already have 32GB ram..sadly I cant get it to run above 2666mhz..even though its a 3000mhz kit.

I suppose you've already looked into your motherboard's UEFI/BIOS settings for an XMP profile setting? As that's where it's normally configured.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 24, 2020, 05:26:31 PM
My new build has unleashed the 2070 Super and removed the bottleneck.  :rejoice

Before @1440p:
- Load times: 15 - 20s
- Intro / airfield: 40 - 60fps
- Vietnam: 20 - 30fps
- CPU temp: 80c

After @1440p:
- Load times: 2 - 4s
- Intro / airfield: 90 - 120fps
- Vietnam: 60 - 100fps
- CPU temp: 56c (loading) / 40c (gameplay)

That's with the recommended Nvidia settings (Ray Tracing set to high and some things on Ultra)
All micro stutters gone, all frame skips gone, all slow UI interactions gone  :whoo

(https://abload.de/img/capturejnj79.png)

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/53435570

can probably crank that score up a few points if I close all background apps but I'm statisfied my PC is faster than 90% of the other gaming PC's in the world.

we cant all be in the 10%

(https://i.ibb.co/6Wm15Z8/timespy.png)

(https://media.tenor.com/images/dfcb449338c25437b8974c01acb8f9b1/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: BikeJesus on December 03, 2020, 06:01:46 PM
Gigabyte Aorus 3080 Xtreme ready for pick-up at Canada Computers. Grabbing it after work! The notification text said to pick it up within 3 days or the order world be cancelled. Motherfucker, I already paid in full.

Hope this 4 slot pig fits ok.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on December 03, 2020, 06:25:41 PM
Gigabyte Aorus 3080 Xtreme ready for pick-up at Canada Computers. Grabbing it after work! The notification text said to pick it up within 3 days or the order world be cancelled. Motherfucker, I already paid in full.

Hope this 4 slot pig fits ok.

:rash
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: BikeJesus on December 03, 2020, 09:44:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZD2XVu2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/LZUf45C.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Zhki5BH.png)

Lego swag bracket B)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: BikeJesus on December 19, 2020, 06:03:24 PM
I put my 2080 Super on Facebook marketplace for $800 Canadian and it was sold and picked up at my work in 90 minutes. My 3080 xtreme was $1100 so i paid $300 for the upgrade. Pretty happy with that.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2020, 08:33:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZD2XVu2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/LZUf45C.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Zhki5BH.png)

Lego swag bracket B)
Is that the Aorus Master  :whew

I might get a 3080 Ti in January  :mynicca
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: BikeJesus on December 20, 2020, 12:43:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZD2XVu2.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/LZUf45C.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Zhki5BH.png)

Lego swag bracket B)
Is that the Aorus Master  :whew

I might get a 3080 Ti in January  :mynicca

No it's the Xtreme! Better than the master. Figured i might as well get the best one.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Tycoon Padre on March 15, 2021, 09:56:01 AM
The unbreakable 3060 mining lock has been defeated already :vr

Literally all you need to do is download the developer driver from Nvidia's website :dead

Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2021, 02:05:29 PM
Was in one of my local Microcenters this weekend for some random shit and you still can't fucking find any of the new cards, lol
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Beezy on March 17, 2021, 10:24:41 AM
Are prebuilt PCs still a thing? I guess I could check my local Microcenter.

My niece wants a gaming PC for her 13th birthday next month and I thought about building one for her, but I haven't been following this shit for about 5 years now and I see even old GPUs are selling at ridiculous prices nowadays. I figured prebuilt just might be a way to avoid all this nonsense. I wanted to get/build her something for around $800 or less with a decent CPU and a weak/cheap GPU that she could swap out later on. I might build a new PC end of this year or early next year, so I could give her my GTX1070 at that point.

She already has a mouse, keyboard, headphones, and just got a decent 1080p monitor for Christmas, so all that's needed is the PC itself. Let me know if there's a better thread to ask this.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on March 17, 2021, 10:26:33 AM
Prebuilt would be decent but also probably more expensive than buying one yourself.

GPU's are sadly through the roof right now. I bought my 3070 in November for 649..they are going for 1200 right about now. Insanity.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Beezy on March 17, 2021, 10:47:12 AM
My nephew is trying to get a 1070Ti for now which he says is going for $300-500. He plans on mining with it to offset the cost until he can save up for a 3070 at whatever resale price they're going for. I told him to just start entering the newegg raffles so he can get a new GPU at retail cost sometime this year, but he's being impatient about starting his build. Oh well, his choice. Fuck mining.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Tycoon Padre on March 17, 2021, 11:34:28 AM
If he's going to spend that much and wants to mine that's a shitty choice anyway, he should be looking at a 1660 Ti or Super for the power efficiency :snob
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Beezy on March 17, 2021, 11:56:22 AM
He's just trying to save until he can get a 3070 later this year. He's older, I'm not worried about him. My niece is the issue right now.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 17, 2021, 01:52:29 PM
Are prebuilt PCs still a thing? I guess I could check my local Microcenter.

My niece wants a gaming PC for her 13th birthday next month and I thought about building one for her, but I haven't been following this shit for about 5 years now and I see even old GPUs are selling at ridiculous prices nowadays. I figured prebuilt just might be a way to avoid all this nonsense. I wanted to get/build her something for around $800 or less with a decent CPU and a weak/cheap GPU that she could swap out later on. I might build a new PC end of this year or early next year, so I could give her my GTX1070 at that point.

She already has a mouse, keyboard, headphones, and just got a decent 1080p monitor for Christmas, so all that's needed is the PC itself. Let me know if there's a better thread to ask this.

I mean for $800 it sounds like what you'd need from your description is "just" cpu, gpu, ram, power supply, and case, plus potentially a cooling option depending on what processor you get.

I farted around on part picker and was putting together a decent-ish system but the issue is that when you get to graphics cards... there's fucking NOTHING right now. Like, not even 1660s or the AMD equivalent low to mid tier shit.

It sucks but I would recommend looking at prebuilt systems for that price range that you could just pick up locally at Microcenter or even (ugh) Best Buy or whatever.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Beezy on March 17, 2021, 03:57:09 PM
I have a GTX 780 I think lying around. Maybe that would be okay for now? It would be better than her dying laptop. She's mainly been playing Genshin Impact, Roblox, Minecraft, and Sims, but she plays just about anything. Bayonetta and Saints Row 3 are two of her favorites.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 17, 2021, 06:25:19 PM
She's not gonna be able to play stuff on ultra with a 780 probably but yeah that's better than a laptop with I'm assuming integrated graphics that sounds like it's pretty old anyway.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 12, 2021, 04:44:36 PM
Have a catastrophic hardware failure in the middle of a global chip shortage paired with renewed crypto crazy, bruhs

:fbm
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on April 12, 2021, 04:53:44 PM
Same, either my PSU or my motherboard is dead/dying.

PC wont turn on unless I flip the PSU switch on and off  ??? RAM lights up but nothing happens.

Gonna bring it to a PC shop to get it fixed tomorrow, cant be assed to test everything myself.

At least a PSU or a mobo isnt too costly, hopefully its the PSU. Right now I have the PC on for 2 days and I just havent turned it off.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on April 12, 2021, 06:10:38 PM
long shot but try replacing your cmos battery in the mobo first. if that doesn't work does sound much more likely to be your PSU. i'd replace it and just make sure you can return it if that doesn't solve the issue, they'll charge you the cost of a mobo or psu to do the work when it would only take an hour of your time
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on April 12, 2021, 06:31:05 PM
Same, either my PSU or my motherboard is dead/dying.

PC wont turn on unless I flip the PSU switch on and off  ??? RAM lights up but nothing happens.

Gonna bring it to a PC shop to get it fixed tomorrow, cant be assed to test everything myself.

At least a PSU or a mobo isnt too costly, hopefully its the PSU. Right now I have the PC on for 2 days and I just havent turned it off.
Did you remove your RTX 3070 when you brought it in?

I mean, how much do you trust those people :doge
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on April 13, 2021, 03:04:47 PM
Same, either my PSU or my motherboard is dead/dying.

PC wont turn on unless I flip the PSU switch on and off  ??? RAM lights up but nothing happens.

Gonna bring it to a PC shop to get it fixed tomorrow, cant be assed to test everything myself.

At least a PSU or a mobo isnt too costly, hopefully its the PSU. Right now I have the PC on for 2 days and I just havent turned it off.
Did you remove your RTX 3070 when you brought it in?

I mean, how much do you trust those people :doge

Heh no im not planning to remove my 3070 when I bring it in, which will be tomorrow.. its just a regular computer store Levix
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on April 13, 2021, 03:05:46 PM
long shot but try replacing your cmos battery in the mobo first. if that doesn't work does sound much more likely to be your PSU. i'd replace it and just make sure you can return it if that doesn't solve the issue, they'll charge you the cost of a mobo or psu to do the work when it would only take an hour of your time

Yeah but to replace the psu I have to rewire everything myself right? I had a guy help me out put the pc together 😬
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Rufus on April 13, 2021, 04:20:42 PM
That's easy, just a bit tedious to do it tidily.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on April 13, 2021, 04:48:10 PM
So u guys are saying I should just replace the PSU myself but first check the CMOS battery? Thats just a normal CR2025 battery right? I think I have those lying around..

If that doesnt work replace the MOBO?
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on April 13, 2021, 04:55:57 PM
So u guys are saying I should just replace the PSU myself but first check the CMOS battery? Thats just a normal CR2025 battery right? I think I have those lying around..

If that doesnt work replace the MOBO?
Buy a Fractal Design ION PSU.

The cables are as flexible as Riley Reid and it's almost silent  :whew
Also they've labeled all the cables.

Pro tip take a couple of photo's before you pull the cables out to see where what goes.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on April 13, 2021, 04:56:06 PM
long shot but try replacing your cmos battery in the mobo first. if that doesn't work does sound much more likely to be your PSU. i'd replace it and just make sure you can return it if that doesn't solve the issue, they'll charge you the cost of a mobo or psu to do the work when it would only take an hour of your time

Yeah but to replace the psu I have to rewire everything myself right? I had a guy help me out put the pc together 😬

you could buy the same one and if ur supply is modular unplug the cables at the old psu end and plug them into the new psu hopefully without having to unseat it for a quick test. if you get a different psu swap. out the cables, they look the same but different manufacturers psu cables or even within the same company but different model don't work between psu's.

you should def just do it anyway. there are prob only 4 cables to plug in: motherboard, cpu, gpu, sata drives. easier than a 3+ lego set.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on April 13, 2021, 05:06:46 PM
also yeah, replace your CMOS battery first. or at least take it out and leave it for a while to clear the CMOS (effectively resetting your bios) then replace it and see if that fixes your issue first. path of least resistance.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on April 13, 2021, 05:41:15 PM
kicking myself for not going against the grain and getting a 6800 when they were cheap. rdna2 platform is coming along and great at 1440p. 3070s were going for more than 6800s here and i nearly picked one up the other day. alas all sold out now :(

edit (all in nzd = 71c on the dollar):

rtx 3080 order: early july - $2500

rtx 3070: in stock at a place a few mins walk away - $1750

6800 xt order: early june - $1500

whoa, people are really dark on rdna2 huh. take away the few games that implement dlss and rt well though and you have the 6800 xt performing on par with the 3080 (@1440p which is where im at on pc). https://www.techspot.com/review/2191-geforce-rtx-3080-vs-radeon-6800-xt/

what to do.....
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on April 13, 2021, 07:00:39 PM
kicking myself for not going against the grain and getting a 6800 when they were cheap. rdna2 platform is coming along and great at 1440p. 3070s were going for more than 6800s here and i nearly picked one up the other day. alas all sold out now :(

edit (all in nzd = 71c on the dollar):

rtx 3080 order: early july - $2500

rtx 3070: in stock at a place a few mins walk away - $1750

6800 xt order: early june - $1500

whoa, people are really dark on rdna2 huh. take away the few games that implement dlss and rt well though and you have the 6800 xt performing on par with the 3080 (@1440p which is where im at on pc). https://www.techspot.com/review/2191-geforce-rtx-3080-vs-radeon-6800-xt/

what to do.....
At this point if you're in the market for a new GPU get whatever is available at a decent price RTX 2000/3000 or AMD 5000/6000 series.
Or try your luck with the next new release.

There's a rumor that Nvidia might be bringing the GTX 1080 Ti back because there's far less demand for 16nm parts.
Someone send in an RMA and received a GPU produced in 2021.

We're at a point that the US government has asked Taiwan to help out with the car chip shortage and I noticed RAM prices are now shooting up as well.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Beezy on April 13, 2021, 07:33:23 PM
We're at a point that the US government has asked Taiwan to help out with the car chip shortage and I noticed RAM prices are now shooting up as well.
I'll never get to build a new PC. :'(
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on April 13, 2021, 07:44:58 PM
wait, i just checked 'murcan prices on newegg. are 6800xt's really going for 3 g's atm?  :lol
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Beezy on April 13, 2021, 08:31:36 PM
 :stahp
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 13, 2021, 11:16:00 PM
I had to buy a laptop for work and shelled out a grand for one with a fucking 2060 and a quad core processor

:fbm

I need to consult a more potent and knowledgeable nerd to determine if my desktop situation is well and truly fucked
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on April 14, 2021, 02:32:47 AM
long shot but try replacing your cmos battery in the mobo first. if that doesn't work does sound much more likely to be your PSU. i'd replace it and just make sure you can return it if that doesn't solve the issue, they'll charge you the cost of a mobo or psu to do the work when it would only take an hour of your time

Yeah but to replace the psu I have to rewire everything myself right? I had a guy help me out put the pc together 😬

you could buy the same one and if ur supply is modular unplug the cables at the old psu end and plug them into the new psu hopefully without having to unseat it for a quick test. if you get a different psu swap. out the cables, they look the same but different manufacturers psu cables or even within the same company but different model don't work between psu's.

you should def just do it anyway. there are prob only 4 cables to plug in: motherboard, cpu, gpu, sata drives. easier than a 3+ lego set.

Thx I think Ill do that.. issue is I have had the pc running for 4 days straight now and kinda dont wanna turn it off lmao.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on April 14, 2021, 03:43:29 AM
https://www.megekko.nl/product/0/1117441/Cooler-Master-MWE-Gold-650-Full-Modular-V2?r=scoupz.nl&utm_source=scoupz&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=Cj0KCQjwpdqDBhCSARIsAEUJ0hNwrSjsNhQYRIXJSTfnmkn9DSCa1iTqDA1ODcWGxWyR-yNnymkIn5YaAk-kEALw_wcB

I have a coolermaster 650 gold MWE full mdoular

But those arent available anywhere, just the same one but its called V2.

So just changing the unit will probably not work have to rewire too right?
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on April 14, 2021, 04:49:09 AM
lol, idk man. i'd ask coolermaster support. you don't want to mix and match psu cables, even with the same supplier can be risky as they might be different fab lines or factories between models etc https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2702-psa-on-mixing-modular-psu-cables-dont-do-it

i'd just switch the cables over if i was getting a different model supply. it's just good practice. and throw out your old ones so you don't get confused if you ever need to add another cable for some new drives or something
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Rufus on April 14, 2021, 05:36:38 AM
edit: I should have kept reading. :doge
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on April 18, 2021, 04:34:25 AM
Ehm in the past two days I discovered that if I unplug my front USB extension hub on the front of the case which powers my K95 RBG Corsair and CM310 mouse, the PC boots as normal without having to flip the PSU switch  ??? ???

Could that be the problem then? Maybe some bios setting? The USB rail getting too much voltage?

 ??? ??? please halp so I dont needlessly install a PSU into my pc
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on April 18, 2021, 05:10:22 AM
Wiring that shit is super easy.

Literally the only thing that could go wrong is that you forget a cable. And to prevent that just take a picture of the current situation. You can't break anything.

Just get a Fractal Design PSU with labeled and flexible cables and do it.

Unless that USB ext is broken it's the PSU. My guess is It can't take that 3070 anymore.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: headwalk on April 18, 2021, 05:29:03 AM
Ehm in the past two days I discovered that if I unplug my front USB extension hub on the front of the case which powers my K95 RBG Corsair and CM310 mouse, the PC boots as normal without having to flip the PSU switch  ??? ???

Could that be the problem then? Maybe some bios setting? The USB rail getting too much voltage?

 ??? ??? please halp so I dont needlessly install a PSU into my pc

have you updated your bios to the latest firmware?
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on April 18, 2021, 06:54:28 AM
Ehm in the past two days I discovered that if I unplug my front USB extension hub on the front of the case which powers my K95 RBG Corsair and CM310 mouse, the PC boots as normal without having to flip the PSU switch  ??? ???

Could that be the problem then? Maybe some bios setting? The USB rail getting too much voltage?

 ??? ??? please halp so I dont needlessly install a PSU into my pc

have you updated your bios to the latest firmware?

Im not sure that I have but I also havent changed anything since it started doing this.

I dont want to spend 125 on a new PSU if I dont have to so maybe I have to trouble shoot this
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on April 18, 2021, 07:16:00 AM
How much watt is that PSU you're using?
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: headwalk on April 18, 2021, 07:20:54 AM
Ehm in the past two days I discovered that if I unplug my front USB extension hub on the front of the case which powers my K95 RBG Corsair and CM310 mouse, the PC boots as normal without having to flip the PSU switch  ??? ???

Could that be the problem then? Maybe some bios setting? The USB rail getting too much voltage?

 ??? ??? please halp so I dont needlessly install a PSU into my pc

have you updated your bios to the latest firmware?

Im not sure that I have but I also havent changed anything since it started doing this.

I dont want to spend 125 on a new PSU if I dont have to so maybe I have to trouble shoot this

you might be using some OG version of a BIOS that has a bunch of bugs in it. a firmware update is the first thing i'd look into.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on April 18, 2021, 08:59:32 AM
How much watt is that PSU you're using?

rn i have Cooler Master MWE Gold 650 Full Modular and I just bought a Seasonic Focus GX-750 Gold, which I have here right now, the point is I can still send it back and if its not the PSU thats the issue but just some weird bios setting or the actual USB hub thats causing my PC to shit around then I might not need to build that in there
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on April 18, 2021, 08:39:19 PM
did you try updating the firmware on your board or just resetting the CMOS by removing the battery? figured you'd do that before trying a whole new psu
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on April 19, 2021, 08:07:22 AM
I did not do those yet, I will try to to that today.

Could the USB extension hub just be faulty? Should I try plugging it into a different port and see if its still the same?

PC doesnt boot with USB hub plugged into front USB port
PC does boot with it not plugged in, and I plug it in and it works fine when the pc is on.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on April 19, 2021, 12:49:55 PM
Buy a new PC plug it in and see if it breaks it. :trumps
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on April 20, 2021, 06:17:12 AM
Could the USB extension hub just be faulty? Should I try plugging it into a different port and see if its still the same?

Yes and yes. Sounds like ur hub just has a bent pin. Mobo will detect if it's causing a short and not power on :p
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 20, 2021, 04:43:34 PM
Took apart my pc after updating mobo, ssd, psu, and cpu and basically rewired it, checked each individual dimm by running off one stick only for at least 30 minutes, and *knock on wood* everything is working now. Maybe I had a loose connection somewhere or something, but I've been able to update windows and the drivers on my 1080ti (praise be unto Allah that fucker is still in working order considering everything going on) so in another day or two, I can start using this laptop as a back up solution only, which is good because a 4 core intel laptop cpu is not ideal in the year of our lord, 2021.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on April 20, 2021, 10:35:50 PM
need an update on whether mmarsu bought a new pc to test his usb hub
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Post by: MMaRsu on May 01, 2021, 09:33:48 AM
The pc had been working the past two weeks, just had to not plug in the usb hub while booting up.

Now I just came home, turned it on and had no screen. Restarted the pc and now it doesnt turn on at all anymore. Lights flash for 1 sec but nothing happens.

Fuck

Mobo or psu?
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Post by: MMaRsu on May 01, 2021, 09:56:56 AM
Fuck it just gonna bring it to the pc shop, they can diagnose it for me. Could be anything.. mobo /psu 🤷🏼‍♂️ i dunno but im sad now. Wanted to play apex and continue editing

Wont be able to play apex on the 4th now either argh
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Tuckers Law on May 01, 2021, 12:18:53 PM
Hopefully just the PSU  :-\
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Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2021, 01:58:18 PM
Sounds like a dead PSU to me.

Also makes sense it was probably pushed too far already given the USB issues.
It is really quite bad for your PC in general to keep using a faulty PSU.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on May 03, 2021, 10:28:41 AM
Well its back 🥳 with a new 750 watt PSU 🥳

Just in time for Apex Legends Legacy Season 🥳🥳🥳
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Post by: Nintex on May 03, 2021, 11:51:57 AM
Congrats now make sure they did not swap out that 3070 for a 1070
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Post by: MMaRsu on May 03, 2021, 12:22:55 PM
No but my bios got reset so I have to make sure it put my memory to 1333mhz again

Dunno why but the XMP profiles on my board just dont seem to work. They are 3000mhz sticks I believe but they wont go higher than 2666mhz
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Post by: Nintex on May 03, 2021, 01:35:38 PM
No but my bios got reset so I have to make sure it put my memory to 1333mhz again

Dunno why but the XMP profiles on my board just dont seem to work. They are 3000mhz sticks I believe but they wont go higher than 2666mhz
Ryzen 2000-series maxes out at 2933 mhz. XMP support is hit and miss on that generation of chipsets too.
Most common solution is to manually overclock the RAM and set the timings but that seems quite a hassle for a +/- 300 mhz memory overlock.

Not sure what board or chipset you're on but I would just pick up a cheap 3600 if you can find one.
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Post by: MMaRsu on May 03, 2021, 02:32:47 PM
im on a 2600x on a msi 470 gaming x plus whatever board

a 3600 isnt worth the money Id pay for it I think, performance wise
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Post by: Nintex on May 03, 2021, 02:56:32 PM
Because of how the market is currently fucked you can probably buy a 3600 for 199 but sell that 2600x for ~150 or so  :lol
On the other hand if the BIOS update for your board is out there you might as well get a brand new 5600x for 300.
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Post by: MMaRsu on May 03, 2021, 02:59:53 PM
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X470-GAMING-PRO#support-cpu

According to this it doesnt support it (yet?) So yeah
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Post by: Nintex on May 03, 2021, 03:08:42 PM
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X470-GAMING-PRO#support-cpu

According to this it doesnt support it (yet?) So yeah
All the way at the bottom there's a beta BIOS.
Not sure how MSI handles those, Gigabyte has given me PTBUD (post traumatic bios update disorder)
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Post by: MMaRsu on May 03, 2021, 03:13:34 PM
Oh you're right at the bottom its there. Ill just wait, dont have the money yet anyway
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Post by: Beezy on May 07, 2021, 05:08:43 PM
I actually won a newegg shuffle. Any thoughts on these? :)

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3070-gv-n3070vision-oc-8gd/p/N82E16814932360?Item=N82E16814932360

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b550m-ds3h/p/N82E16813145210?Item=N82E16813145210
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Post by: MMaRsu on May 07, 2021, 05:10:23 PM
I have the Gigabyte 3070 Gaming OC

Great card! Cant imagine this one being much worse
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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 07, 2021, 05:41:29 PM
Gigabyte generally makes good cards, I would snag that if you can at all. Jealous, I keep entering for 3060ti, 3070, 3080, and various AMD cards and can't ever get a win. Congrats!

The mobo I would sell on ebay or whatever just because I hate micro ATX as a form factor unless you're specifically building in a micro case, but I would never try to do that because I have sausage fingers and need space to maneuver around in when building.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on May 07, 2021, 06:13:20 PM
As someone who got the B550 Master, stay away from Gigabyte Mobo's   :doge

That GPU is hot shit. They often have the highest clocked models too.

My Aorus 2070 Super Rev 1.0 runs at like 1950 mhz. They lowered that for Rev 2.0 to 1800mhz probably because it made the 2080 obsolete but damn.  :whew
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Beezy on May 07, 2021, 10:42:51 PM
Gigabyte generally makes good cards, I would snag that if you can at all. Jealous, I keep entering for 3060ti, 3070, 3080, and various AMD cards and can't ever get a win. Congrats!

The mobo I would sell on ebay or whatever just because I hate micro ATX as a form factor unless you're specifically building in a micro case, but I would never try to do that because I have sausage fingers and need space to maneuver around in when building.
I just kept entering for the 3070 and 3080 cards. It's been weeks now. Of course I finally get one during the month that I planned to keep my spending down. ::)

I read some reviews for the mobo and it seems too difficult to work with if you have a full sized card.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on May 08, 2021, 01:22:35 PM
It took them 3 bios updates to fix my USB ports. The second I had to reverse ASAP because it disabled the CPU fans  :doge
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 10, 2021, 07:13:47 PM
*checks email*

FUCK YEAH FINALY GOT SELECTED IN THE NEWEGG SHUFFLE

*reads email*

ah shit it's for a 6700xt

(I mean I'm still gonna buy it, might flip it tho)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 11, 2021, 10:51:18 PM
Aw shit, the AMD equivalent of DLSS is rolling out NEXT MONTH, and will eventually hit the next gen consoles since they're both running on RDNA2. AMD kinda has a shit record when it comes to this sort of thing but all the rumors I'm hearing are really positive. Makes me less annoyed that I ended up with 6700 XT. (also, the card I got was a sapphire nitro + oc, which are apparently pretty bad ass with much better cooling and noise solutions than the reference card)

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/cant-find-nvidia-rtx-3080-amds-fsr-tech-could-be-the-answer
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Post by: naff on May 12, 2021, 12:21:45 AM
would be surprised if FSR doesn't end up being pretty good to the point the difference between it and DLSS is minor. will prob take a while though. if it works well out of the gate i would be highly surprised :p
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Post by: naff on May 12, 2021, 12:25:56 AM
cheapest 6800xt i can order now is $2000, last month almost to the day when i posted in this thread then didn't go ahead and buy they were 14-1500  :stahp
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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 12, 2021, 12:30:24 AM
The simple fact that FSR will be able to be implemented on the next gen consoles kinda gives it a leg up, depending on how good it is and how much work it is to implement. Apparently RE Village is gonna use it, will be curious to see how it looks on pc and if/when it comes to consoles. Village already looks pretty great on my PS5, and even the raytracing produces noticeable differences in a lot of settings (most noticeable with any candle/torch lit areas)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on May 12, 2021, 12:37:22 AM
how much is a 6700xt in the newegg shuffle?
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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 12, 2021, 10:04:04 AM
how much is a 6700xt in the newegg shuffle?

Depends on which model you get but basically like twice the msrp for the reference, lol

The card was about $900, then it got paired with a mobo I don't need and will just sell on ebay that was about $200. Add in tax and shipping and shit. I'll defray the cost by selling my 1080ti since that has no real upside going forward other than just being a really good rasterization beast.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on May 12, 2021, 08:45:39 PM
how much is a 6700xt in the newegg shuffle?

Depends on which model you get but basically like twice the msrp for the reference, lol

The card was about $900, then it got paired with a mobo I don't need and will just sell on ebay that was about $200. Add in tax and shipping and shit. I'll defray the cost by selling my 1080ti since that has no real upside going forward other than just being a really good rasterization beast.

ah ye, works out to ~the same they are at retail here. prices are just all over the place between vendors here though
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Post by: Tuckers Law on May 13, 2021, 05:23:39 PM
I “won” a shuffle for an MSI 3070 with some dumb ram, but when I clicked the provided link not even ten minutes after receiving the email, it said the items were removed from my cart due to insufficient availability.  Lol.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 13, 2021, 08:01:08 PM
Let's gooooooooo

(https://i.imgur.com/cGDsABM.jpg)
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 14, 2021, 04:06:30 AM
graphics cards boxes are so wack now, where are the hot babes and sick dragons of yesteryear :tocry
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Post by: Nintex on May 14, 2021, 08:31:58 AM
graphics cards boxes are so wack now, where are the hot babes and sick dragons of yesteryear :tocry


(http://sgwmscdnimages.azureedge.net/59/1-14-2020/963415214112133brym.JPG)

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/DgUKWlTAcvaFGXcwb-l77Rlb3cE=/0x0:1487x1080/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:1487x1080):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4039102/gainward-bliss-8800-gts-golden-sample.0.jpg)

(https://assets.hardwarezone.com/images/Box_15.jpg)

The  W O R L D  is dying
:stahp
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Post by: Nintex on May 18, 2021, 01:41:51 PM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591396464908042262/843970981542494218/unknown.png)

PC's had a good run :trumps
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Post by: MMaRsu on May 18, 2021, 01:58:58 PM
With the new ETH limiter on new 3080's and 3070's im curious to see how much I could get for this 3070 in a while
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Post by: Nintex on May 18, 2021, 02:16:00 PM
2023

Me searching the wastelands of the former state of Israel for a Radeon RX580

(https://attackofthefanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Nier-Replicant-Junk-Heap.jpg)
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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 29, 2021, 01:18:15 PM
Getting ready for Cyberpunk bois

(https://i.imgur.com/COHmzLZ.png)

Decided to benchmark the 6700xt and compare it to the 1080ti for shits and giggles

(https://i.imgur.com/IepkvGN.png)

Not too shabby tbh, scores about even with mmarsu's 3070 (altho my cpu is one generation up on his and more cores/threads)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 01, 2021, 01:06:15 AM
Let's goooooooooo bishes

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16723/amd-formally-unveils-fidelityfx-super-resolution-open-source-game-upscaling

Quote
First and foremost, FSR, as AMD likes to call it, will be another one of AMD’s GPUOpen technologies, meaning that it will be published open source and free for developers to use. And not only will developers be able to use it on AMD GPUs, but they will be able to use it on NVIDIA GPUs as well.

AMD is not going into the specific technical underpinnings of the execution model here – I’m assuming this is being implemented as a shader – but they are confirming that it doesn’t require any kind of tensor or other deep learning hardware. As a result, the technology can be used not only on recent AMD Radeon RX 6000 series cards, but also the RX 5000 series, RX 500 series, and Vega series. Meanwhile, though it won’t be officially supported to the same extent on NVIDIA cards, according to AMD FSR will work (on day one) on NVIDIA cards going back as far as the Pascal-based GTX 10 series (which pre-dates DLSS support). In fact about the only modern graphics hardware not supported at this point are the current-generation game consoles; AMD may get there one day, but for now they’re focusing on the PC side of things.

At this point AMD is not disclosing which games will support the technology, but the messaging right now is that developers will need to take some kind of an active role in implementing the tech. Which is to say that it’s not sounding like it can simply be applied in a fully post-processing fashion on existing games ala AMD’s contrast adaptive sharpening tech.

Following its June 22nd launch, AMD will be posting FSR to GPUOpen. Overall the company is stating that over 10 “game studios and engines” in 2021 will implement FSR, with more details to come on the 22nd. Expect to see Godfall among these game, as AMD is using it as their example game for today’s announcement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhKzZ8Knsus

Not a lot of info yet tbh but seems cool
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Post by: Kunai With Chain on June 01, 2021, 02:43:01 AM
3070 Ti is priced pretty nicely, I wonder if I should hold out in hope of getting my hand on one or try for the 3080 Ti first even though it's kinda out of my budget
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Post by: Nintex on June 01, 2021, 09:39:23 AM
Buy whatever is available in the 30 seconds before the bots buy them all
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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 01, 2021, 11:04:27 AM
lol at the 3080ti ending up being $1200 when the rumors were $1000. That always seemed sketch to me considering it was basically a 3090 just with a few minor downgrades and a lot less ram.

3070ti does in fact have a nice MSRP... for which you will probably never be able to purchase it for, so

:yeshrug
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Post by: Nintex on June 01, 2021, 03:39:04 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/5bqxta.jpg)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Kunai With Chain on June 01, 2021, 05:10:54 PM
Are Newegg's shitty combos pretty much the only way to get GPUs close to MSRP? Could have got in on a 3060/70/80 today but who wants to deal with the hassle of having to then pawn of the other components?
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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 01, 2021, 05:52:28 PM
Are Newegg's shitty combos pretty much the only way to get GPUs close to MSRP? Could have got in on a 3060/70/80 today but who wants to deal with the hassle of having to then pawn of the other components?

I actually sold the motherboard that came with my 6700xt bundle faster than I sold my old 1080ti, probably because it was new in a box and everyone wanted to dick around with price with me on the 1080ti or were convinced it was a scam. I also asked less than msrp (just by $25, but still, a deal is a deal) for the mobo. Apparently ebay and fb marketplace are clogged with extra parts right now because of this, lol.

But yes, the shuffle is one of the more "reliable" ways to get cards, beezy and I have both gotten winning lottery tickets that way just here on the board, but they're still like almost twice msrp... which becomes a deal when you see what they're going for on ebay. You could also try tracking various streams, sometimes nvidia founders cards get restocked at best buy for msrp but they sell out within a couple minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1pUkhX4PKg
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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 02, 2021, 03:40:11 PM
Steve from GN is BIG MAD about the 3080ti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtkk-_0jrPU
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on June 02, 2021, 05:29:23 PM
What a useless product just make more RTX 3070's.  :doge

The GPU market is so broken right now and AMD is about to give the Geforce 10XX series a second wind.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on June 02, 2021, 07:06:48 PM
at this point im more interested in what apple do with their M series chips in the desktop space. will still likely update my x86 machine at some point, but the efficiency and hardware support on the m serise chips for rendering video faster than top x86 cpu/gpu configurations is pretty wild. found a 2nd hand m1 mac mini for $900 (~650usd) im picking up to use as a new home server. insane performance for the price. going to be really interesting how the m1x/m2 and more gpu cores and higher clocks are going to compete with x86 machines. i haven't been a fan of apple for a long time, but i can't ignore how incredible Rosetta 2 and OSX + the M series machines are.
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Post by: naff on June 02, 2021, 07:14:38 PM
imagine nintendo getting on apple microarchitecture  :lawd :dead tasty might die
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Post by: remy on June 02, 2021, 09:23:09 PM
my brother has an m1 macbook and he's obsessed lol. keeps telling me how fast/quiet it is and how it's sooo much better than his intel one. getting a lil jealous  :doge
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Post by: naff on June 02, 2021, 09:46:03 PM
we got a few at work. i was v skeptical ahead of release, but rosetta 2 is the real deal. for the layman, it's just another mac in every way, but inexplicably cheap and fast
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Post by: Tycoon Padre on June 03, 2021, 09:47:18 AM
Had an 3080 Ti FE in my basket and could have checked out but eeeeeeeehhhhhhhh - literally can't think of a single game coming out this year that I'll need it for. 3070 should still be fine, even at 4K, for a long while with more games using DLSS/FFXSR. Between that and console games seemingly regressing back into cross-gen status, I dunno what you'd need that level of horsepower for until like late 2022, at the earliest?
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on June 03, 2021, 11:50:23 AM
3070 is all you need. There is no use for a 3080 Ti now if you have anything upwards from an RTX 2070 and even less if FSR becomes a thing and DLSS support increases.
The 3080 Ti seems positioned just to take advantage of the suckers that will buy anything right now to get a new GPU.

With PS5/XSX being what they are there won't be a game that takes advantage of that sort of horsepower until 2023 or even 2024 at the earliest, if ever.
It would have to be something like GTAVI with Ray Tracing at 4k / 60fps and by then the 3080 Ti is trading blows with the 5060.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on June 05, 2021, 05:36:16 AM
lmao it's the same shit all over again. 3080 Ti listed for a wooping 2699 Euro

The big difference though, doesn't seem like many people are buying anymore. They're still in stock.

Unlike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhdePovsc0k
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 05, 2021, 06:01:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF1wAu7NLbU
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on June 24, 2021, 08:43:57 PM
"Lot's of supported games" lolwut no

also, amd hasn't supported a single game that has DLSS 2.0 support yet. fsr sounds pretty good for the random few games it supports, none of which i will ever play
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 24, 2021, 08:57:44 PM
I think the list is pretty on par with the games that had DLSS when that launched

:yeshrug

FarCry 6 and RE Village are pretty big games that will be getting it at some point soon, and apparently it's pretty easy to implement. Will be interested to see if Cyberjank 2077 gets it.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on June 24, 2021, 10:24:13 PM
sure, but as of right now it has very little support but yeah i mean, seems a great launch relative to DLSS which was shovelware until 2.0. i am definitely interested in comparisons and when i do eventually upgrade i'll prob be getting the 6800xt whatever i can find that seems an ok deal  :lol. hopefully btc keeps getting crushed and the market is flooded with miners

edit: just checked and it seems there's already a bunch of miner cards being put up  :doge my 1070 i bought years ago was an ex miner i copped for a little under 200usd. still going strong
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on June 24, 2021, 10:53:49 PM
2nd hand 2080ti for $850 cop or not? (has warranty)
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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 24, 2021, 11:23:52 PM
Ehhhhh if you knew it hadn't been used to mine I'd say get it but good luck knowing that
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: remy on June 25, 2021, 12:31:47 AM
I heard being a miner card isn't even that bad because most of the time people are cooling them properly/not blasting them at high temps because they want them to be stable.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on August 05, 2021, 08:26:04 PM
I heard being a miner card isn't even that bad because most of the time people are cooling them properly/not blasting them at high temps because they want them to be stable.

my 4 year old 1070 is an old mining card i bought off a local trading site. showed up with cash and dude handed it to me in an old shopping bag. still works great 8) that's the silicon lottery for you

built a new machine over the weekend but haven't had much time to play with it this week. lf to the weekend. specs; 5800x - only $70 more than the 5600x whereas 5900x was $450 more here - 5800x be unpopular because it's weird and not much better for gaming, but is better for compute and i'd already bought an aio cooler, 8/16 threads more future proof than 6/12, slightly better single core clocks etc and a 3080 gigabyte eagle rev 2 all in a p500a case. only rgb is on some deeply discounted ram i couldn't say no to (corsair vengeance 3600 cl18) and the gpu. was going to disable the rgb then i actually found a fine basic use for it - turning brightness way down and pairing the colour of the dimms to gpu temperature sensors so they're light purple normally with a "rain" pattern and increase to brighter orange and turquoise when the gpu is over 70c and red when 85+.

ran a few stress tests and couldn't get anything to go very hot - gpu peaked ~80c and the cpu ~76c at peak. big thing i think messes people up with the 5800x is the default TDP is waaaay too high. i modified the TDP of the cpu closer to what amd recommend in their specs but don't have set by default for whatever reason (142 down to 112 watts). kinda fucked up they do this, but whatever, meant i got a relatively cheap CPU partially because people report this cpu running so damn hot and it being a bad buy and the "odd one in the middle" with "no strong use case" between the 5600 and 5900x :p got peak temps down from ~85c to ~75 at peak load with fans nearly silent. actually improved single core performance too which is also weird af. might try bump up the wattage a little as i have a beefy ekwb 360 aio cooler, but yeah, p whack default settings by amd. look into undervolting if you have this cpu
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on August 05, 2021, 08:48:10 PM
I actually don't disagree the 5800x is a hard cpu to justify, but it's not "bad" it just has bad out of the box settings. 5600x is more efficient though and 100% all you need for gaming/general productivity and the 5900x is way better for big rendering / compilation workloads. I like the middle tier jack of all trades bracket tho
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on August 06, 2021, 05:03:40 AM
I got the 5800x because it was the only one available at the time plus it is a bit better for productivity. With that said you can't really go wrong with any ~$300 CPU. Intel i7 10th or 11 gen runs 99.9% of the games just as good.

I must say that it took until 2 weeks ago for the B550 platform to become stable though.

My temps are fine though. ~73 at peak or so
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Rufus on August 06, 2021, 08:46:50 AM
ran a few stress tests and couldn't get anything to go very hot - gpu peaked ~80c and the cpu ~76c at peak. big thing i think messes people up with the 5800x is the default TDP is waaaay too high. i modified the TDP of the cpu closer to what amd recommend in their specs but don't have set by default for whatever reason (142 down to 112 watts). kinda fucked up they do this, but whatever, meant i got a relatively cheap CPU partially because people report this cpu running so damn hot and it being a bad buy and the "odd one in the middle" with "no strong use case" between the 5600 and 5900x :p got peak temps down from ~85c to ~75 at peak load with fans nearly silent. actually improved single core performance too which is also weird af. might try bump up the wattage a little as i have a beefy ekwb 360 aio cooler, but yeah, p whack default settings by amd. look into undervolting if you have this cpu
The various power limits (PPT, TDC, and EDC) are set by the motherboard maker. The defaults might not be stock if they're being particularly cheeky. Gotta get those extra pixels on the benchmark graph. ::)

Your cooling is top notch. These chips just run hot by design. (https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-views-ryzen-5000-cpu-temperatures-up-to-95c-as-typical-and-by-design/) Even the temps you were getting before are within expectations, though improved single core perf (boosts higher for longer, due to lower overall temp) is nice. If you want to run something at 240Hz, it's worth keeping in mind.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on August 12, 2021, 11:03:42 AM
https://twitter.com/jakobsonradical/status/1425746283889717251


https://twitter.com/jakobsonradical/status/1425746589511913472


 :doge
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Coax on August 12, 2021, 10:08:24 PM
I like the comment of 'People could totally tell, it was just never confirmed'... and then the follow-up comments clarify only one scene in the entire presentation was fully CG and it's the obvious one where he disintegrates and the set folds away :doge
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2021, 03:07:57 PM
Uggggh I got selected for a 3070ti in the Newegg shuffle. It's not really THAT much of an upgrade over the 6700 I have, tho. Think I'll pass.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Beezy on August 23, 2021, 03:20:28 PM
Uggggh I got selected for a 3070ti in the Newegg shuffle. It's not really THAT much of an upgrade over the 6700 I have, tho. Think I'll pass.
Ask a friend if they've been trying to get one and sell it to them at cost then. These things are still hard to get. How much is it?
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2021, 03:33:07 PM
It's in a bundle with a motherboard for like $1160
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on August 25, 2021, 05:24:01 PM
Hoard everything that has chips bois

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Tech/Semiconductors/TSMC-hikes-chip-prices-up-to-20-amid-supply-shortage (https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Tech/Semiconductors/TSMC-hikes-chip-prices-up-to-20-amid-supply-shortage)

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TSMC hikes chip prices up to 20% amid supply shortage

The golden age of cheap technology is over :fbm
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 25, 2021, 05:38:15 PM
Ugh, goddamnit. Best Buy has a bunch of founders edition RTX cards in store tomorrow, but the only stores in Georgia that are getting any are in Augusta and Savannah, which are like all the way on the coast, 3-4 hours away from me. Fuck that.

I wish 6800xts actually existed but they basically never show up even in the Newegg Shuffle. TBH I'm thinking about going down from a 4k monitor to 1440p for my main gaming screen to stretch the life of this 6700xt I have.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Beezy on November 23, 2021, 09:18:32 AM
5600 and 5800 are both on sale. Most reviews I've seen recommend the 5600, but the 5800 is only $50 more. They also mention that the 5600 comes with a cooler, but I haven't seen anyone mention if it's actually good or not, so I think I'll go with the 5800.

I thought about going with the new Intel CPUs, but apparently the mobos for it are expensive right now?
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 23, 2021, 02:23:05 PM
5600 and 5800 are both on sale. Most reviews I've seen recommend the 5600, but the 5800 is only $50 more. They also mention that the 5600 comes with a cooler, but I haven't seen anyone mention if it's actually good or not, so I think I'll go with the 5800.

I thought about going with the new Intel CPUs, but apparently the mobos for it are expensive right now?
I got the 5800X mainly for the additional cores. As a consumer you don't buy a CPU for 12 months (like the tech Tubers) and the 2 extra cores will matter in the long run.

The new Intel CPU's are a bit better but in the CPU space you're talking about 120fps vs. 130fps or 65fps vs 70fps depending on the game and that is if you don't have a GPU bottleneck.
By the time your 5800X can't keep up, neither can the Intel i7 12. The Xbox Series X / PS5 basically run on the 3700X so you're good for this generation (and most likely the next).
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Beezy on November 23, 2021, 04:11:55 PM
Anything that I need to look out for when it comes to mobos and ram? You already mentioned on the last page that I should stay away from Gigabyte mobos.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: pilonv1 on November 23, 2021, 05:24:13 PM
I picked up a 5600X recently because it was on sale and it's been fantastic, but if you can afford the 5800 then go for it for the extra cores. I was upgrading from a 3570k so it's already a huge improvement. Really depends on the price gap between the two though and what you're willing to spend.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 23, 2021, 06:12:45 PM
Anything that I need to look out for when it comes to mobos and ram? You already mentioned on the last page that I should stay away from Gigabyte mobos.
Yeah, I had a difficult time with mine but they've fixed most of the issues with the B550 platform after a couple of BIOS updates.

Any of the bigger brands (MSI/ASUS) will do. I know a lot of folks like ASUS for their build quality and features but those are usually a bit more expensive though.
Gigabyte is hit and miss, cheaper and overall good parts when it comes to hardware (especially for the price) but they haven't figured out the QA or UX for some of their products.
For GPU's this is less of an issue (as you use the Nvidia drivers anyway) for motherboards with specific chipsets and a mix of utilities though...
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: who is ted danson? on December 07, 2021, 03:18:58 PM
I went a bit crazy at Black Friday (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/cG9kCz), so I now have:
4690k -> 5900X
8GB RAM -> 32GB RAM
256GB SSD + HDD -> 1TB PCI-E 3 SSD
1060 -> still the same 1060   :-\

It is nice seeing Cyberpunk using like 25% CPU / RAM   :lol
Really wish the GPU shortage would end. Maybe next year...
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on December 07, 2021, 06:48:24 PM
Impressive rig bro :pitbull

Don't forget to upgrade the screen either, this 32" Odyssey G7 is heavenly once you turn on Adaptive Sync.
(if you don't it's a flickering mess when you turn on G-Sync, can't believe they launched them like that  :lol )

Not sure when I'll replace this 2070 Super, probably late 2022 at the latest if the 4000 series arrive to the scene but I might swap out the One X for the Series X instead and wait another year.
There's nothing that an RTX 2070 Super can't run. Hell, even that 1060 still packs a punch in most modern games at 1080p. 
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: who is ted danson? on December 08, 2021, 03:44:57 AM
I actually have upgraded my monitors recently too  :lol.

1080p/240Hz Alienware AW2521HF
1440p/165Hz Dell S2721DGF (also bought on black friday)

Wanted to have a high refresh 1080p screen for FPS gayming, and the 1440p will get to stretch its legs with everything else (once I can get a new GPU).
The Alienware is my primary for now because as you mention the 1060 only really has the grunt for 1080p.

Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: who is ted danson? on December 18, 2021, 06:33:53 AM
https://twitter.com/jaxson_davidson/status/1470933731548356614

 >:(
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 14, 2022, 10:54:00 AM
I finally got a 3060ti FE at RRP at the end of last week. Glad to finally have a decent GPU for the next few years (and no longer have to pay attention to Part Alert).

Tried out at bit of Control with all the bells and whistles on and it looks pretty nice. Gonna have to try out Cyberpunk again at some point
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 02, 2022, 01:49:28 PM
https://www.techpowerup.com/296396/nvidia-to-cut-down-tsmc-5nm-orders-with-the-crypto-gravy-train-derailed-amd-could-benefit

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NVIDIA is reportedly looking to reduce orders for 5 nm wafers from TSMC as it anticipates a significant drop in demand from both gamers and crypto-currency miners. Miners are flooding the market with used GeForce RTX 30-series graphics cards, which gamers are all too happy to buy, affecting NVIDIA's sales to both segments of the market. Before the crypto-currency crash of Q1-2022, NVIDIA had projected good sales of its next-generation GeForce GPUs, and prospectively placed orders for a large allocation of 5 nm wafers from TSMC. The company had switched back over to TSMC from Samsung, which makes 8 nm GPUs from the RTX 30-series.

With NVIDIA changing its mind on 5 nm orders, it is at the mercy of TSMC, which has made those allocations (and now faces a loss). It's incumbent on NVIDIA to find a replacement customer for the 5 nm volumes it wants to back out from. Chiakokhua (aka Retired Engineer), interpreted a DigiTimes article originally written in Chinese, which says that NVIDIA has made pre-payments to TSMC for its 5 nm allocation, and now wants to withdraw from some of it. TSMC is unwilling to budge—it could at best hold off shipments by a quarter to Q1-2023, allowing NVIDIA to get the market to digest inventory of 8 nm GPUs; and NVIDIA is responsible for finding replacement customers for the cancelled allocation.

The same article paints a different picture for AMD: the company has reduced orders for 7 nm and 6 nm nodes; but its 5 nm orders are unaffected. AMD makes not its its next-generation RDNA3 GPUs on 5 nm, but also its next-generation "Zen 4" CPU chiplets. Any drop in demand for GPU silicon would be internally adjusted by increasing "Zen 4" chiplet orders. AMD's growth as a processor manufacturer is no longer bottlenecked by technology-leadership, but by volumes. The company could jump at the prospect of higher 5 nm allocation, as it would enable it to increase output of "Zen 4" processors to meet rising demand of high-margin server processors with its upcoming EPYC "Genoa" and "Bergamo" processors.

The BTC/ETH gravy train is over. GAMERS RISE UP!!
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Polident Hive on July 13, 2022, 02:37:53 PM
Nvidia is offering games with GPU purchases again. Older games, Doom Eternal complete and Ghostwire Tokyo. But hitting at or below MSPR and incentives, it’s healing.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on July 17, 2022, 06:42:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39jyoLa8i2c

More on the TSMC/Nvidia story.

Honestly selling a 5nm Switch 2 GPU to Nintendo seems like the best solution.  :doge
They would still have to produce something now but will eventually recoup their costs.

It's almost like the Tegra situation. Nvidia had a surplus and Nintendo wanted a cheap yet capable GPU.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2022, 04:09:55 PM
The lower end market is fucked too.
Nvidia drops a GTX 1630 for a whooping $199, which is worse than the $150 Radeon 6400, which was the previous worst budget card in price vs. performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR6x-rvHXUI
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on September 16, 2022, 07:11:04 PM
Holy shit @ no new EVGA gpus.

https://youtu.be/cV9QES-FUAM

Next Tuesday is going to be very interesting.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Coax on September 16, 2022, 11:51:00 PM
Oh fuck. EVGA was my go-to brand for Nvidia cards  :-\
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2022, 12:29:01 PM
Already a New Generation but they will keep the old one in circulation.

RTX 4080 ($899) offers twice the performance of the 3090 Ti. 4090 comes in at $1599.
DLSS3 is very impressive too.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdHIwXKX0AIslVR?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdHFxElXkAACMXA?format=png)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdHFx8uXoAIU8dN?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Bebpo on September 20, 2022, 04:26:45 PM
Prices are zany  :doge

It's like they priced them for miners.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2022, 06:04:00 PM
Nvidia is in a pickle because they ordered a lot of production capacity that they can't fill and either have to hold up their end of the contract with TSMC or find other clients willing to take over those orders.
Add in the difficulties with shipping and other things and all they can do is charge a premium price to cover up the higher costs of making these cards.

They've also rebranded the 4070 into a 4080 12GB model to justify the $899 price tag.
People looking to buy a 3080 or 3090 Ti will switch to these new 4080/4090 models because it doesn't make sense to buy a 3080 for $799 when another $100 gets you twice the performance.
But everyone else will look at $400 - $500 options.

The 3060 Ti is the 2080 which is roughly the 2070 Super with an overclock and that runs everything at 1440p ultra still.
When you get into 4k, all you need to move from 50 to 60fps in certain games is a 3070. This won't change anytime soon considering the Xbox Series / PS5 hardware that most games target.
There is no big game that launches alongside these cards either. Even if the performance jump over the 2080 is significant there's nothing to upgrade for.
It'll probably be a very limited supply paper launch to drum up demand.

They are pushing ray tracing hard though, this tool is pretty awesome. Basically any DX8/9 game can be modded into an RT game now.
https://www.moddb.com/news/nvidia-releases-dx89-rtx-modding-tool (https://www.moddb.com/news/nvidia-releases-dx89-rtx-modding-tool)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Bebpo on September 20, 2022, 06:12:12 PM
Yeah, if they aren't useful for miners anymore, I don't see these cards selling at this price. I think Nvidia is gonna get fucked during the 4xxx generation for the reasons you mentioned. Which hopefully means bargain bin sales after a while at which point I'll grab the 16GB 4080.

I wonder how much of this played into EVGA burning bridges.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Polident Hive on September 20, 2022, 06:29:24 PM
Debating what path I should take here.

I’m on the 1000 series (1060) and to put it gently, it sucks ass and wheezes and spittles running some games at 900p 60fps. I’ve a 1440p 144hz monitor and rarely am I seeing the benefits in games. Some games I’d classify as borderline unplayable. CPU isn’t hot either. Some intel mid range 4000 chip. Regardless, gotta put together a new desktop.

One decision I’ve already made is going for a sff case. Takes the top end cards out for thermal and space limitations. Waiting for the 4060s and 4070s could be a ways off. Depending on discounts and sales, thinking a 3060 as a crutch for now is best. Still a massive improvement. Don’t do too many CPU intensive tasks so instead of waiting on the 13th gen, a 12700 should be fine for some time.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2022, 06:45:46 PM
Debating what path I should take here.

I’m on the 1000 series (1060) and to put it gently, it sucks ass and wheezes and spittles running some games at 900p 60fps. I’ve a 1440p 144hz monitor and rarely am I seeing the benefits in games. Some games I’d classify as borderline unplayable. CPU isn’t hot either. Some intel mid range 4000 chip. Regardless, gotta put together a new desktop.

One decision I’ve already made is going for a sff case. Takes the top end cards out for thermal and space limitations. Waiting for the 4060s and 4070s could be a ways off. Depending on discounts and sales, thinking a 3060 as a crutch for now is best. Still a massive improvement. Don’t do too many CPU intensive tasks so instead of waiting on the 13th gen, a 12700 should be fine for some time.
CPU's are fantastic value these days. Just make sure you have enough cores and threads.
The 12600k or Ryzen 5600X or 5800X is all you need. There are some crazy deals on the 5800X, I've seen them as low as $250 on Amazon.

AMD is going to announce their new line-up november 3rd so you might want to hold on to see what they have on offer (if only to see what it does to prices).
But overall, if you can get a good price on a 3060 Ti I would go for it. Below that Nvidia has a gap and your best bet is a ~$300 6600XT.

I have a 2070 Super and a Ryzen 5800X and everything runs perfect on my 1440p Samsung Odyssey panel. DLSS goes a long way to smooth out the edges on more demanding games.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Polident Hive on September 20, 2022, 08:01:24 PM
Luckily I have access to a micro center. Intel chips are reasonably priced year round. Right now a 12600k is $250 (or $230 with motherboard). During holidays they get cheaper. Before the 4000 announcements, GPU prices there were seeing triple digit discounts with bundled games. Mental math, aiming for around $1.2K on a compromised build. Then splurging on a GPU upgrade down the road.

Honestly, everything I’ve read makes AMD the smarter choice. But been intel+nvidia for so long, just gonna stick with it. Going with a smaller build, I hadn’t considered how hot modern hardware gets, and AMD all around appears more efficient.

Since building my desktop during Obama’s admin, AIO took over as the go to CPU cooling solution? Always went with fans and air cooling but water cooling looks dead simple today. Two cases I’m looking at are the fractal design torrent nano, larger and air cooled, and cooler master nr200, smaller and suited to an aio. There’s even a model of the nr200 with an aio and psu pre set for $400.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: naff on September 21, 2022, 08:59:20 AM
I don't think you'll regret going with the 12 series chips. I have a 5800x but the alder lake chips are sick, and the Ampere cards are fine. I was moaning about not getting all the DLSS3 features, but looking at the price of those 4k series cards... Yeah fuck that for fancy frame insertion.

You can squeeze a 3080 into many sff cases and get decent thermals
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Tycoon Padre on September 22, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
Insane pricing that's designed to make the glut of 30 series cards they over-manufactured  look reasonably priced. Who even needs these? A 3080 with DLSS will get you 4K/60 on literally everything but Cyberpunk and Flight Sim.

The early DF coverage of these seems like it'll be pretty icky again btw, just like with the 30 series (even though those were actually good cards!). Looks like they'll be testing on Nvidia's terms again and obfuscating raw performance #s. Gross.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Tycoon Padre on September 22, 2022, 09:34:31 AM
(wrong thread)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 22, 2022, 11:38:55 AM
Insane pricing that's designed to make the glut of 30 series cards they over-manufactured  look reasonably priced. Who even needs these? A 3080 with DLSS will get you 4K/60 on literally everything but Cyberpunk and Flight Sim.

The early DF coverage of these seems like it'll be pretty icky again btw, just like with the 30 series (even though those were actually good cards!). Looks like they'll be testing on Nvidia's terms again and obfuscating raw performance #s. Gross.

Hold up, are you suggesting games coverage may not be on the up and up?
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on September 22, 2022, 03:44:15 PM
Was planning on upgrading to the 4000 series from my 2070 super, but probably going to hold off for now due to price and unknowns about dlss 3. I looked at big upcoming releases and the only one I’ll probably want next year is re4 remake which I shouldn’t have trouble running so I don’t see the point right now.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 22, 2022, 03:52:08 PM
https://www.techpowerup.com/299162/8-pin-pcie-to-atx-12vhpwr-adapter-included-with-rtx-40-series-graphics-cards-has-a-limited-service-life-of-30-connect-disconnect-cycles

What the fuck is this shit?
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on September 22, 2022, 04:04:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGARjRBJRX8

Big Chungus
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Tycoon Padre on September 23, 2022, 05:34:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGARjRBJRX8

Big Chungus

(https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2022/09/AORUS-RTX4090-SIZE-1-768x481.jpg)

 :crazy :whatisthis
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on September 23, 2022, 06:00:40 AM
How does that even fit into your case without completely killing your airflow in the process. Is that why some of these have fans added on the back?
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Tasty on September 24, 2022, 11:07:57 PM
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/geforce-gpus-are-slowing-down-after-installing-the-windows-11-2022-update/

:derp
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2022, 06:23:18 AM
Dutch Founders Edition pricing for the 4000 series

RTX 4090 €1959
RTX 4080 (16GB) €1509
RTX 4080 (12GB) €1129 (which is actually the 4070)

MSI/Gigabyte/Asus cards etc. will probably be 200 - 400 Euro's more expensive than the FE depending on the cooling solution and OC's.
I remember when people were complaining that the top tier 1080 Ti launched at 800  :lol

I paid €629 for my RTX 2070 Aorus Super in 2019 and that included CONTROL and Wolfenstein for free.   
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2022, 02:49:10 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeUcqnTXoAAyxcp?format=jpg)

Big chungus
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2022, 05:08:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T9d9LM1TwY

Intel's cards perform well in new games but not so good in old games.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: D3RANG3D on October 10, 2022, 07:56:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUX3u1iD0jM
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on October 25, 2022, 06:48:49 PM
The 4090's power connectors are melting down
https://twitter.com/earlygamegg/status/1580472261358026753 (https://twitter.com/earlygamegg/status/1580472261358026753)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on October 27, 2022, 03:21:54 PM
Sort of recall  :lol

https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1585585989128429569 (https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1585585989128429569)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 28, 2022, 02:41:26 PM
nvidia subreddit is full of "my shit melted" psots
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: remy on October 29, 2022, 08:47:38 PM
The 4090's power connectors are melting down
https://twitter.com/earlygamegg/status/1580472261358026753 (https://twitter.com/earlygamegg/status/1580472261358026753)
I thought this was a weird meme the first time i saw it and not what was actually happening to guys with 4090s  :lol

Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Coax on October 30, 2022, 02:39:48 AM
The 4090's power connectors are melting down
[...]

That's... an EVGA card :p (It's a joke tweet, though there are enough people seeing real melted connectors).
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on November 03, 2022, 04:59:01 PM
RDNA 3

RX 7900 XT / 20GB = $899 / 300 watt

RX 7900 XTX / 24GB = $999 / 355 watt / 61TFLOPS

Up to 1.7x faster than the RX6950
Bunch of new technologies shown like Display port 2.1 and a new Snowdrop Engine from Ubisoft, FSR3 along with some fancy UE5 tech demo's and a HYPR-RX mode that enables all the fancy RX enhancements with 1 click so you don't have to tinker with the settings.

Some performance thingies that I noticed.
1440p@300fps Apex Legends
1440p@600fps Overwatch 2
1440p@833fps valorant

Assassins Creed Valhalla 8k@96fps
UE5 Matrix city, 4k(?)@121fps with FSR enabled.


https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1588277571011026944 (https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1588277571011026944)
:wut
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: pilonv1 on November 16, 2022, 01:47:18 AM
4080 seems like a good card if the price wasn't jacked.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on November 18, 2022, 04:46:54 AM
Right now I have a MSI 470x Gaming mobo, with 32gb ram and a 2600x cpu. If I want to upgrade is a B550 mobo a much better choice to pair it with a 5600x? I saw on YT it can help like 10fps in some games just because the mobo is faster. But those mobos are also about 150/160€ so im wondering is that worth it
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on December 03, 2022, 05:23:53 PM
Right now I have a MSI 470x Gaming mobo, with 32gb ram and a 2600x cpu. If I want to upgrade is a B550 mobo a much better choice to pair it with a 5600x? I saw on YT it can help like 10fps in some games just because the mobo is faster. But those mobos are also about 150/160€ so im wondering is that worth it
Upgrading from a 2600X CPU is a big uplift I would definitely go for it. Not to mention it gives you another upgrade path to NVMe SSD's.


More bullshit from Nvidia, a 'new' RTX 3060 with 8GB instead of 12GB but the same price or even more expensive while being 35% slower :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPbIsxIQb8M
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on December 05, 2022, 09:09:16 PM
Right now I have a MSI 470x Gaming mobo, with 32gb ram and a 2600x cpu. If I want to upgrade is a B550 mobo a much better choice to pair it with a 5600x? I saw on YT it can help like 10fps in some games just because the mobo is faster. But those mobos are also about 150/160€ so im wondering is that worth it
Upgrading from a 2600X CPU is a big uplift I would definitely go for it. Not to mention it gives you another upgrade path to NVMe SSD's.


More bullshit from Nvidia, a 'new' RTX 3060 with 8GB instead of 12GB but the same price or even more expensive while being 35% slower :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPbIsxIQb8M

I dont know.. My birthday is on wednesday and I was thinking of getting the 5600x, but then I came across this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlfwXqODqp4

And it shows that differences at 1440p or at 4k are basically zero. So why should I even upgrade the damn thing?
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on December 11, 2022, 06:26:31 AM
Oh well i did the upgrade anyway and its pretty damn tasty  :leon :aah
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on December 11, 2022, 07:30:50 AM
It's a nice upgrade. I don't think the benchmarks give the best impression on how a system runs.
FPS is one thing but there's also how fast it boots, how it handles running multiple programs and the overall speed of it all.

They also don't take into account that systems simply get slower over time.
Either because programs are more demanding or use newer API's or whatever or simply because the parts are getting older and wear down.

With the benchmarks they usually pick a 'new' old product or something that has been running for a few hours for a previous review.
It's not at all the same situation as replacing a CPU that has been maxed out for 5 years with a brand new one.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on December 12, 2022, 12:37:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBJ-vo6Ri9c

RDNA 3 is a bit of a dud.

About equal with the 4080 in normal rendering yes but 25% - 50% slower when it comes to Ray Tracing performance.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on December 13, 2022, 01:23:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFu7fhsGymY

Jesus  :lol
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Tuckers Law on December 13, 2022, 02:26:09 PM
I’m looking forward to where the mid-range refresh falls in performance.  I’d like to replace my 2060 but if I’m spending $400-500, I’d like it to be a distinctly substantial improvement.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on December 13, 2022, 06:01:11 PM
I’m looking forward to where the mid-range refresh falls in performance.  I’d like to replace my 2060 but if I’m spending $400-500, I’d like it to be a distinctly substantial improvement.
Seems to me that the only reason these $1000 GPU's exist is to increase the mid range pricing too.
We haven't had a real bang for buck mid range card in a while now.

The 6600XT seems ok-ish, as well as the RTX 3060 which is priced at ~$350.
But in most scenario's both cards are only 10fps - 15fps faster than an RTX 2060.

The RTX 2060 meanwhile provided at least an 20fps - 30fps uplift over the GTX1060 and that's before DLSS came into play.
With the 4080 at $1199 the Founders Edition 4070 Ti (previously the gimped 4080) probably drops in at $899.
According to the latest rumors the 4060 won't drop until September/October 2023 and will not come in below $499.

For lower tier specs it seems more common to just repackage some old shit.
The RTX 3050 for instance came in at ~$300 and was about equal with the GTX 1660 Ti, which was slightly faster than the GTX 1070.

But here's what it looks like
GTX 1070 - $379 (2016)
GTX 1660 Ti - $279 (2019)
RTX 3050 - $299 (2022)

The $300 range has basically been stuck at the same performance level for the past 6 years.
And even something like a 3060 Ti already gets you in the $400 - $500 range.
Nvidia is most likely to replace that with a 4060 at $599.

lol this just dropped, they took a sledgehammer to the 4060 "ti"
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-rumored-to-feature-4352-cudas-8gb-memory-and-220w-tdp (https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-rumored-to-feature-4352-cudas-8gb-memory-and-220w-tdp)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on December 14, 2022, 12:19:43 PM
Playing games on your computer:  :nope :girlaff

Playing games on your car:  :itagaki :win
https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1602789357156536321

In the future when paying 100k for a car to play games is your only option, you’ll be wishing graphics cards were 1000 bucks again.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on December 14, 2022, 05:56:55 PM
Coil whining on the 7900 XT :titus

https://twitter.com/NadaOverbeeke/status/1603074827442655232 (https://twitter.com/NadaOverbeeke/status/1603074827442655232)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on December 15, 2022, 07:11:24 PM
Your $1000 GPU is unfinished  :doge

https://twitter.com/wccftech/status/1603496758713397248 (https://twitter.com/wccftech/status/1603496758713397248)

What I find interesting is how thanks to FSR even the 1650 holds up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu2RJW7nQZQ
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Polident Hive on December 17, 2022, 01:35:03 AM
Sat down and calculated the rough cost of putting together a new low-mid range desktop. Just south of $1400. Some parts are costlier because I’m going mATX, which has a knock on effect of needing DDR5 ram. That’s ok. Way things have progressed I’ll end up needing a somewhat capable gaming laptop next year. Experiments with making a sff pc and traveling around with it failed. The option exists, depending. And while I’m going with a 3060, the PSU has space to support an upgrade. I’m even considering reusing my old shit GPU for now.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on December 17, 2022, 06:04:58 AM
Sat down and calculated the rough cost of putting together a new low-mid range desktop. Just south of $1400. Some parts are costlier because I’m going mATX, which has a knock on effect of needing DDR5 ram. That’s ok. Way things have progressed I’ll end up needing a somewhat capable gaming laptop next year. Experiments with making a sff pc and traveling around with it failed. The option exists, depending. And while I’m going with a 3060, the PSU has space to support an upgrade. I’m even considering reusing my old shit GPU for now.
What sort of built are you looking at?
There are some pretty great underrated CPU's even below the $200 range.

With a little help from me an employee of mine managed to put together an mATX for about ~700 using a Ryzen 5600G.
To my surprise it even runs GTAV at 60fps @ 1080p. Most newer games run 30fps though but I was surprised about this kind of performance from a ~$100 CPU.

If you're gaming on 1080p or 1440p there's no need to go beyond a 7600x or 5800x in terms of CPU performance. In most cases even a 5600x should suffice.
Just look at MMaRsu he paired an RTX 3070(?) with a 2600x for a while  :lol

DDR5 RAM is not worth the increase in cost yet.
I'd aim for a fast NVMe SSD, a bang for buck CPU in the ~$250 range and a decent GPU. The RTX 3060 would fit the bill for a system like this.

I have super fast G-Skill RGB 3600 RAM or whatever but after Bios updates the XMP profile is disabled and it runs at the default 1600(?) mhz.
In some games I notice 'maybe' a 5fps difference when this happens, which is only noticable in the most demanding games when it moves from 60fps to 55fps.
However, most games run at 100+ fps and I hardly notice it.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Polident Hive on December 17, 2022, 06:12:27 PM
I’m sticking with Intel + nvidia, with some other fairly conservative ideas like air cooling over AIOs. Bouncing between NRP200 (Max variation) and Torrent Nano. Going with the latter. Both are mITX. CPU will either be 13600k or 12700k. There are pretty decent deals around both atm. DDR5 is down to the mITX Choice. Some asus b660 one. Which raises another issue in needing to update the bios if going 13th gen.

But really at this point it’s an everything upgrade. Not just gaming. Some components on my current PC are from 10 years ago. There are a lot of inconveniences from how dated it is.

Another dated concept I still have is the OS and programs on an SSD, games and etc on slower cheaper drives. But Samsung pro NVMes are relatively cheap now. Their evo brand is even cheaper. So I’m thinking a 1 or 2tb nvme drive, then I’ll reuse a semi new 2.5 ssd for storage.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2022, 04:45:42 PM
Oh well i did the upgrade anyway and its pretty damn tasty  :leon :aah

:-*
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on December 26, 2022, 07:05:01 PM
AMD and Nvidia now officially both selling fire hazards  :lol

https://twitter.com/hms1193/status/1607394889750417409 (https://twitter.com/hms1193/status/1607394889750417409)

(https://media.tenor.com/1iEihUlQrswAAAAC/chernobyl-anatoly-dyatlov.gif)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Transhuman on December 26, 2022, 07:38:19 PM
I’m sticking with Intel + nvidia, with some other fairly conservative ideas like air cooling over AIOs. Bouncing between NRP200 (Max variation) and Torrent Nano. Going with the latter. Both are mITX. CPU will either be 13600k or 12700k. There are pretty decent deals around both atm. DDR5 is down to the mITX Choice. Some asus b660 one. Which raises another issue in needing to update the bios if going 13th gen.

But really at this point it’s an everything upgrade. Not just gaming. Some components on my current PC are from 10 years ago. There are a lot of inconveniences from how dated it is.

Another dated concept I still have is the OS and programs on an SSD, games and etc on slower cheaper drives. But Samsung pro NVMes are relatively cheap now. Their evo brand is even cheaper. So I’m thinking a 1 or 2tb nvme drive, then I’ll reuse a semi new 2.5 ssd for storage.

If you havn't decided yet, I have a regular NR200, it's great. It's about as small as you can go while not running into compatibility issues with GPU lengths and the like. You can use zip ties to secure an ATX PSU in there too, so you don't need to go through the trouble of buying a smaller PSU.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on January 01, 2023, 07:38:48 PM
https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1609655457865695233 (https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1609655457865695233)

More trouble for the 7900 XT(X) apparently the cooler design they used only works well when mounted vertically and unfortunately most people mount them horizontally.  :lol
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on January 04, 2023, 11:05:28 AM
The absolute state of the GPU market.
As AMD is on the verge of an RDNA 3 recall Nvidia is getting absolutely trashed by every reviewer

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Flon_4WaAAIJfGX?format=jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-FMPbm5CNM
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on January 04, 2023, 11:23:17 AM
Who'd have thought sad face in a youtube thumbnail could be even more irritating than soy face :shaking
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on January 06, 2023, 11:21:17 AM
AMD will fix the 7900 XTX for you and promises to do better in the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X87OzJ3bU7o
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on January 20, 2023, 07:05:27 PM
Clown generation continues, 4060 comes in at $500

https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1616347447206322177 (https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1616347447206322177)
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Tuckers Law on January 20, 2023, 07:29:21 PM
 :donot

Glad to see they're getting properly shit on by the crowd.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Polident Hive on March 31, 2023, 12:49:00 AM
Pretty much put together my new desktop. Need to transplant my old GPU and the software setup, when I’m not being lazy. It’s nice. Everything’s inexpensive (GPU excluded) and in this large mitx case, easy to fit together.

Dumb rant. What annoyed me about buying this fractal torrent nano case seems to be a trend in the case market: tempered glass. I know RGB is a thing with gamers. Show off the discotheque box you built. Cool for them. But out of the five or so configurations, only one model has two solid panels. It periodically disappears from listings and when it’s available, goes for a 50% premium. Best solution was buying a white model with one solid panel, and I have spare blackout vinyl to cover the glass.

Anyway, I saw the 4070 will go for $600. Reactions tell me it’s overpriced.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 02, 2023, 10:40:26 AM
I was thinking about upgrading my 2060 Super this year for better 1440p performance, but with this gouging trend I think I might hop over to AMD. Don't really care about ray tracing. I do worry if AMD still has problems with older games like they used to. Or I might just skip it and muddle through until 2024.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: bork on April 03, 2023, 11:05:10 AM
Gushed over this in random talk, but just wanted to mention that I got the new ASUS ROG Flow Z13 (it's a Surface-style Windows tablet made for gaming) over the weekend and am very, very impressed with the mobile 4050 it has.  It runs at 65w but the performance absolutely shits all over the 2022 Z13's 3050 TI.  It appears to be in line with the 3060, but runs cooler and at a lower wattage.  Seems pretty awesome for laptops especially.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Polident Hive on April 03, 2023, 07:13:48 PM
Saw some impressions about a Lenovo laptop hitting that same market. It’s interesting to me. As is I juggle two laptops. A gaming laptop, y740 I think with a 2070. Very capable machine. But large (230w power brick is half the size of the laptop alone), runs warm, and despite being on the quieter side for gaming laptops, is still loud for me. Don’t travel with it unless it’s 3+ weeks. Practically treat it as a desktop replacement, even if it’s 15” and not one of those oafish true desktop replacements. What I actually use as a laptop is an older Surface weak enough to be passively cooled. Having one device to fit both needs is the next purchase.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on April 03, 2023, 07:46:20 PM
Although the performance of those gaming laptops are awesome they are useless for anything but gaming.
A co-worker of mine had one with a GPU (3060 or something) and while impressive, the battery only lasted for 90 minutes or so.  :lol

My Asus Zenbook with a Ryzen 5825U can't do much gaming but it easily lasts 7 or 8 hours.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Polident Hive on April 03, 2023, 08:19:03 PM
Shit battery life is actually something I like about mine. Battery is about 60% the size of other laptops to fit a 2.5” spot. It measures battery life in minutes, but it’s got a lot of storage space.

Most laptops that can fit a 99wh battery, have it taking up a third of the case. All that and you can barely finish The Irishman on it.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: bork on April 03, 2023, 09:44:06 PM
Having one device to fit both needs is the next purchase.

TBH, that's the Flow Z13 for me- if I were to spring for the XG Mobile Dock.  That is pretty high priced, but I could easily ditch my desktop and laptop if I were to get that.  It's tempting!

Although the performance of those gaming laptops are awesome they are useless for anything but gaming.
A co-worker of mine had one with a GPU (3060 or something) and while impressive, the battery only lasted for 90 minutes or so.  :lol

My Asus Zenbook with a Ryzen 5825U can't do much gaming but it easily lasts 7 or 8 hours.

Gaming laptops almost always have shittier battery life than non-gaming ones for obvious reasons- they run hotter and have a lot more crap crammed in that needs more power to run.

Ryzen laptops generally have better (or much better) battery life compared to the Intel ones.  I want to say that the G14 can get 6-7 hours of normal, non-gaming use on battery.  When I get a gaming laptop, it's just for the portability, not the battery life.  I'm OK with this and frankly if someone made a laptop without a battery (make it modular and sell it as something to put onto the outside or something) and used the space for better cooling, I'd be all for it.  My Alienware laptop in 2004 got like 45 minutes of battery life.  My Maingear laptop from 2021 gets maybe two hours.  That's still an improvement, I guess.  :P  One of the reasons I wanted the Z13 is because the power brick for it is very small and light for a gaming machine. 

The only laptops I've ever used that had actually had amazing battery life have been Chromebooks.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Polident Hive on April 05, 2023, 12:09:13 AM
I’m smarter and dumber than I thought. On one side, it’s been about 10 years since assembling a PC. Haphazardly put the parts together off memory, groggy at 2 AM. All seemed good there. But what I learned is, despite the cpu having integrated graphics and the motherboard having display port and hdmi, you need a GPU to post. I have some tasks running on my old desktop and can’t touch the GPU for a couple hours (see: why I need a new desktop). Ok. Have an 8800gt somewhere. Dig through some boxes. Find it. DVI only. Dig through other boxes for a DVI to anything, except maybe VGA. Find 20ft DVI to VGA cable ?? Find three optical drives ?? Find a loose CPU and four DDR2 ram sticks. Find a…560ti. Have no recollection of every owning it. At least it has mini HDMI.

Anyway, gonna just jump to Windows 11 on this machine. Reading mixed reactions to it but whatever.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: bork on April 05, 2023, 08:57:00 AM
Trying out Midnight Suns on this Z13 tablet.  It defaulted to 1440P ultra settings with DLSS and frame generation (is this DLSS3?) enabled- looks great and it's running at 90+ FPS with some dips into the 80s at times.  This is insane.  Can't believe what this 4050 can do.
:lawd
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on April 10, 2023, 01:08:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-ORt8313Og
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: MMaRsu on April 11, 2023, 01:14:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K8Br6jHkcs
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: bork on May 22, 2023, 01:14:14 PM
Have now tried laptops with the 4050, 60, 70, and 80- the 4050 and 4060 have been the most impressive.  Definitely has to do with wattage.  This laptop I have now has a 4060 at 90w and it beats out the 4070 I had before it which was 65w.  But what surprised me was getting better results in CoD MW2 on it compared to the 4080 I tried.  Maybe it's also an Intel vs AMD thing.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: Nintex on October 06, 2023, 04:00:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnUCYHvorrk

AMD just can't compete.

I'm looking at the 4070 right now, prices have gone down to a reasonable level.
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 06, 2023, 10:05:59 PM
I ended up getting a 6700XT for under US$300 two months ago to replace my 1070. Other than the 7800XT most of the cards this gen aren't enough of an improvement unless you care about DLSS stuff
Title: Re: Ampere vs RDNA 2: FIGHT! Thread of new GPUs (let's be honest, nvidia gonna win)
Post by: bork on October 07, 2023, 01:43:19 AM
DLSS 3.5 in Cyberpunk is impressive- with O.G. DLSS3, the input lag was awful, but this feels really good.