ID to fix Halo for 343? :lol
To put into perspective, this is "only" half a billion less than they paid for Nokia, which included a fuckton of essential patents necessary to build mobile phones so uhhhh yeah I think they overpaid
Bethesda has a fuckton of essential patents on AmeriJank.
To put into perspective, this is "only" half a billion less than they paid for Nokia, which included a fuckton of essential patents necessary to build mobile phones so uhhhh yeah I think they overpaid
You gotta consider that maybe MS wasn't the only one to make an offer.
You gotta consider that maybe MS wasn't the only one to make an offer.
Maybe, but who else has that kind of cash to be in the running?
Bethesda as Oculus exclusive developer?
Bethesda as Stadia exclusive developer?
Bethesda as part of the Tencent collection?
Here for mad sonypony reposts :delicious
You gotta consider that maybe MS wasn't the only one to make an offer.
Maybe, but who else has that kind of cash to be in the running?
Bethesda as Oculus exclusive developer?
Bethesda as Stadia exclusive developer?
Bethesda as part of the Tencent collection?
Sony?
So by default, Sony now has the worst first party.
Imagine playing console wars with a company that is so lost they advertised their shit in top exclusive games on other platforms.If you know this, then why do you think MS still cares about console wars? That's dead. It's all about Gamepass subs now.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/14/xbox-joins-animal-crossing-new-horizons-hype-train-creates-custom-clothing-12556531/
:dead :sabu
You have to be real smooth brained to think Microsoft is going to make Bethesda games exclusive to their platform. Doom, Skyrim;etc are on every system imaginable and they would loss money by making them exclusive just the same they would if they the did the same with Minecraft.
So by default, Sony now has the worst first party.
So by default, Sony now has the worst first party.
Do you still think Phil should get fired?
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2V9TFrmQ_Q
Microsoft is gonna sell you game pass on PS5 and Switch too.
Microsoft is gonna sell you game pass on PS5 and Switch too.I'd be 1000% ok with that... As a matter of fact, I hope that happens.
https://twitter.com/imranzomg/status/1308054774902714369Sony 😂
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ghostwire tokyo, idk what that is tbf
Oh right, totally forgot about that game.
This also means MS now has an MMO.
Sony has over 30 billion in cash on hand and of course can do stock deals as well...
They were also rumored to be trying to buy Bethesda earlier this year..
To put into perspective, this is "only" half a billion less than they paid for Nokia, which included a fuckton of essential patents necessary to build mobile phones so uhhhh yeah I think they overpaid
Sony has over 30 billion in cash on hand and of course can do stock deals as well...
They were also rumored to be trying to buy Bethesda earlier this year..
Source?
Google says Sonys net worth is about $45 billion, and their most recent financials say they have about $14.5 billion Cash and cash equivalents at end of the period
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SNE/sony/cash-on-hand
Their market cap is over 90 billion now... not sure where you are getting $45 billion net worth.
Imagine playing console wars with a company that is so lost they advertised their shit in top exclusive games on other platforms.If you know this, then why do you think MS still cares about console wars? That's dead. It's all about Gamepass subs now.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/14/xbox-joins-animal-crossing-new-horizons-hype-train-creates-custom-clothing-12556531/
:dead :sabu
You have to be real smooth brained to think Microsoft is going to make Bethesda games exclusive to their platform. Doom, Skyrim;etc are on every system imaginable and they would loss money by making them exclusive just the same they would if they the did the same with Minecraft.
Imagine playing console wars with a company that is so lost they advertised their shit in top exclusive games on other platforms.If you know this, then why do you think MS still cares about console wars? That's dead. It's all about Gamepass subs now.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/14/xbox-joins-animal-crossing-new-horizons-hype-train-creates-custom-clothing-12556531/
:dead :sabu
You have to be real smooth brained to think Microsoft is going to make Bethesda games exclusive to their platform. Doom, Skyrim;etc are on every system imaginable and they would loss money by making them exclusive just the same they would if they the did the same with Minecraft.
I just find the reactions by the MS faithful here hilarious
To put into perspective, this is "only" half a billion less than they paid for Nokia, which included a fuckton of essential patents necessary to build mobile phones so uhhhh yeah I think they overpaid
I mean, they blew $2B on Minecraft :lol
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SNE/sony/cash-on-hand
Their market cap is over 90 billion now... not sure where you are getting $45 billion net worth.
Who cares about exclusivity shit, since they own Bethesda and Obsidian that means we have a non zero chance of New Vegas 2 happening!
I mean this has now made their purchase of Obsidian pretty redundant.
Starfield and the next Elder Scrolls are years out and who knows if they will honestly make them actual exclusives. But this also probably means no main Fallout for years at this point.
You now have the id ips which is a big deal and developers like Tango. So that’s neat though Tango and Arkane’s next games are still coming to PS5.
I don’t know I’m just failing to see why I should care? Good for MS I guess.
Minecraft was huge and MS kind of did nothing exciting with them. And left them mostly to their own devices.I mean this has now made their purchase of Obsidian pretty redundant.
Starfield and the next Elder Scrolls are years out and who knows if they will honestly make them actual exclusives. But this also probably means no main Fallout for years at this point.
You now have the id ips which is a big deal and developers like Tango. So that’s neat though Tango and Arkane’s next games are still coming to PS5.
I don’t know I’m just failing to see why I should care? Good for MS I guess.
It's probably the biggest developer acquisition in years, if not the biggest of all time.
Imagine paying full price for the ps5 versions while us game pass chads get them all included with the sub :successAll these games not taking advantage of THE SSD 😭
Man if only you shared this same resentment when FF16 was made exclusiveFF is nowhere near as big as Elder Scrolls. Elder Scrolls games sell millions more, so much more that I don't think keeping them to just Xbox and PC is gonna really help. FF sales probably aren't as impacted by keeping it to PS and then an eventual PC release. And even if they are locked out of PS, they will still be on PC day one anyway. But you already have them saying coming to other platforms will be a case by case basis. Wolfenstien 3, yeah only on xbox and PC. Elder Scrolls whatever, yeah maybe not.
Rax you are crazy. This aquisition is killing it.But it's on PC too, right? No need to buy an xbox for this service.
Doom, Wolfenstein, Elder Scrolls and Fallout, day 1 gamepass, xbox console exclusive.
- Bethesda.net wasn't a really popular storefront that could compete with Steam or EGS
- DOOM Eternal didn't chart for long
The only company participating in a console war is Sony.Yeah it's kinda weird to see how the big 3 have a totally different focus now.
smart move for Zenimax Bethesda to sell the joint thoughI mean honestly this is kind of all true. I also believe Bethesda was kind of a dud this gen as well. Outside of Skyrim re-releases and I guess Fallout 4 which feels like years ago, it's not like their games have been smashing successes. Some critical and commercial success, but also a lot of of just medicore sales with things like Prey and Evil Within 2. And yeah while Young Blood was awful, not like Wolfenstein 2 was a smash hit with fans or with sales. I don't know, feels like their biggest hits this gen where Skyrim rerelease and Doom 2016.
- Rage 2 lmao
- They could no longer coast on Skyrim
- They already ran the Wolfenstein reboot series into the ground with Young Blood
- Their current line-up (Death Loop / Ghostwhire Tokyo) had bomba written all over it and were timed PS5 exclusives to boot
- DOOM Eternal didn't chart for long
- Fallout 76 was a dud
- They didn't know when if ever Todd would finish the next Elder Scrolls and Starfield
- Bethesda.net wasn't a really popular storefront that could compete with Steam or EGS
This also means MS now has an MMO.
Microsoft is gonna sell you game pass on PS5 and Switch too.
I can see what Nintendo get out of that deal and what would get them to greenlight it (doubly so if its the streaming via Xcloud option included) but I can see Sony not wanting that
Who cares about exclusivity shit, since they own Bethesda and Obsidian that means we have a non zero chance of New Vegas 2 happening!
Who cares about exclusivity shit, since they own Bethesda and Obsidian that means we have a non zero chance of New Vegas 2 happening!
New Vegas from the developers of The Outer Worlds :yuck :yuck
No Sawyer no sale
I mean this has now made their purchase of Obsidian pretty redundant.
Starfield and the next Elder Scrolls are years out and who knows if they will honestly make them actual exclusives. But this also probably means no main Fallout for years at this point.
You now have the id ips which is a big deal and developers like Tango. So that’s neat though Tango and Arkane’s next games are still coming to PS5.
I don’t know I’m just failing to see why I should care? Good for MS I guess. Guess I’ll have an Xbox to play Wolfenstien 3 if that happens.
- Bethesda.net wasn't a really popular storefront that could compete with Steam or EGS
“We’ll take other consoles on a case-by-case basis,” Spencer told Bloomberg.This tells me TESVI is coming to PS5 still. As mentioned a few times before, why would they not want more money? Especially on the install base PS will have by then.
I guess if you like wrpg you need an xbox.
The only company participating in a console war is Sony.
Rahx, games like Doom and ES actually sold about the same or better on xbox consoles than PS consoles:Yeah I get that and in general think it makes sense for them to be xbox exclusive. It's not going to surprise me when Wolf 3 and Doom Whatever are Xbox Console exclusive. They are a nice boon to MS first party. But I also wouldn't be surprised since Elder Scrolls is so big if it also still came to PS5. I also think we are years out before things like SF and ES come out so it's going to be a while before we even see the impact.
And there is me, buying an Xbox Series X mainly to play upscaled 360 games. :ego
And there is me, buying an Xbox Series X mainly to play upscaled 360 games. :ego
Can you pop an old disc into a bone and play or do you just unlock the licence for the digital remaster? I prefer to keep consoles offline.
QuoteRahx, games like Doom and ES actually sold about the same or better on xbox consoles than PS consoles:Yeah I get that and in general think it makes sense for them to be xbox exclusive. It's not going to surprise me when Wolf 3 and Doom Whatever are Xbox Console exclusive. They are a nice boon to MS first party. But I also wouldn't be surprised since Elder Scrolls is so big if it also still came to PS5. I also think we are years out before things like SF and ES come out so it's going to be a while before we even see the impact.
But it's also hard to get out of my bias of not giving a shit about Bethesda and Xbox.
:nope Constant updates and visual clutter.And there is me, buying an Xbox Series X mainly to play upscaled 360 games. :ego
Can you pop an old disc into a bone and play or do you just unlock the licence for the digital remaster? I prefer to keep consoles offline.
:hans1
smart move for Zenimax Bethesda to sell the joint though
- Rage 2 lmao
- They could no longer coast on Skyrim
- They already ran the Wolfenstein reboot series into the ground with Young Blood
- Their current line-up (Death Loop / Ghostwhire Tokyo) had bomba written all over it and were timed PS5 exclusives to boot
- DOOM Eternal didn't chart for long
- Fallout 76 was a dud
- They didn't know when if ever Todd would finish the next Elder Scrolls and Starfield
- Bethesda.net wasn't a really popular storefront that could compete with Steam or EGS
Is this the biggest industry news since Sega went 3rd party? I'm struggling to think of anything bigger.Now if MS bought Sega, that would sting me right in the plums. :tocry
I don’t want them too, but do think they could use a Japanese developer for some diversity.
I don’t want them too, but do think they could use a Japanese developer for some diversity.
They've got one now: Tango Gameworks, Shinji Mikami's studio.
New Vegas Old World Blues on game pass :rejoice
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Wonder if this will spell the end of Bethesda published games arriving on GOG after a period. At least InXile's games are still being released there post-acquisition but I wonder about AAA titles.
I guess if you like wrpg you need an xbox.
They buy CDProject Red then I start shooting.
Microsoft CEO Nadella: ZeniMax/Bethesda acquisition is "all about future of software", will consider buying even more video game companies in future
The potential for 1 billion is definitely there. But I don't see people subbing for just xcloud. Mostly all subs will own an Xbox device. So if he was hoping that number would be held up by exclusively mobile users, I think he's dreaming.
That’s a nightmare.I think it'll take years for the process to complete depending on market trends.
It wouldn't be worth anyone's time to buy Konami, right? You'd basically just be buying their IPs. Not sure what the remaining Koji Pro people who worked on Metal Gear Survive are doing but I can't imagine that team is very large.Arguably the same is true for Bethesda and I'm not sure the Capcom shareholders would resist if a company they've been friendly with for decades and that helped them build much of their success with Resident Evil and Monster Hunter would wave money at them.
It would be in everyone's best interest for Capcom to stay independent.
Konami indeed has some IP's that have value but they also have other business ventures in Japan that Sony might keep running if they are profitable enough. As Sony runs many such side businesses anyway.It wouldn't be worth anyone's time to buy Konami, right? You'd basically just be buying their IPs. Not sure what the remaining Koji Pro people who worked on Metal Gear Survive are doing but I can't imagine that team is very large.
It would be in everyone's best interest for Capcom to stay independent.
But what IP? What do you do with Contra or Castlevania that isn't just a remaster? They try to make a new Contra every 10 years or so and its terrible. They made all of those garbage Symphony rip offs on the 3ds that soured the ground for any future Castlevania releases.
As much as I love Silent Hill, there's no market for it.
I think that Nintendo would not be that interested in Street Fighter,It wouldn't be worth anyone's time to buy Konami, right? You'd basically just be buying their IPs. Not sure what the remaining Koji Pro people who worked on Metal Gear Survive are doing but I can't imagine that team is very large.Arguably the same is true for Bethesda and I'm not sure the Capcom shareholders would resist if a company they've been friendly with for decades and that helped them build much of their success with Resident Evil and Monster Hunter would wave money at them.
It would be in everyone's best interest for Capcom to stay independent.
Capcom would probably prefer to be part of PlayStation rather than Microsoft or Nintendo.
I'm sure they'd prefer to be with whatever company offered them the most money.
And MH is very much a Nintendo game more than a Sony game.
The "all access" thing is like $20 a month more than GamePass Ultimate.. you aren't getting a "free" console lol Or are you talking about xCloud?The potential for 1 billion is definitely there. But I don't see people subbing for just xcloud. Mostly all subs will own an Xbox device. So if he was hoping that number would be held up by exclusively mobile users, I think he's dreaming.
I had near zero interest in either of the """next gen""" consoles, but ngl, booking into a £20 a month 'all in' sub for 2 years and getting the console 'free' is a pretty decent value proposition
The "all access" thing is like $20 a month more than GamePass Ultimate.. you aren't getting a "free" console lol Or are you talking about xCloud?The potential for 1 billion is definitely there. But I don't see people subbing for just xcloud. Mostly all subs will own an Xbox device. So if he was hoping that number would be held up by exclusively mobile users, I think he's dreaming.
I had near zero interest in either of the """next gen""" consoles, but ngl, booking into a £20 a month 'all in' sub for 2 years and getting the console 'free' is a pretty decent value proposition
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You safe like 40 pounds. Not that great considering you are locked into a plan for 2 years plus the gold with 1 quid conversion to ultimate is probably a better deal anyway. Far from you get the console for free anyway.
Like Fifstar said it's a discount over 2 years of the Xbox + the "monthly price" for Gamepass Ultimate... but it's like a few months free of GamePass at best math wise, not a "free console."
well, if you can't develop just buy someone who canisn't that basically what you do when you hire talent tho? :thinking
well, if you can't develop just buy someone who canisn't that basically what you do when you hire talent tho? :thinking
You safe like 40 pounds. Not that great considering you are locked into a plan for 2 years plus the gold with 1 quid conversion to ultimate is probably a better deal anyway. Far from you get the console for free anyway.
ymmv, people who do not have an xbox one and are not currently subscribed to gold or gamepass - which lets face it, is the majority this gen - are being offered the gamepass sub with its rolling rentals on Xbox and on PC (and potentially mobile), an XBL sub and its however many monthly freebies, and an EA play sub, AND a brand new console to play all of that on for a £20 a month sub, which like I said is a pretty strong value proposition.Like Fifstar said it's a discount over 2 years of the Xbox + the "monthly price" for Gamepass Ultimate... but it's like a few months free of GamePass at best math wise, not a "free console."
Yes, thank you riotous, I understand how marketing works which is why I used apostrophes around the word free to signify air quotes, to illustrate that I do not actually consider it free although that is how it is being portrayed in its marketing, for the exact same reasons when you buy a new phone contract and get a 'free' phone you are actually ameliorating your purchase of that phone over the course of the contract, or how when you purchase a buy two get one 'free' deal at a supermarket you are actually buying three things at a 1/3 discount.
::)
ymmv, people who do not have an xbox one and are not currently subscribed to gold or gamepass - which lets face it, is the majority this gen - are being offered the gamepass sub with its rolling rentals on Xbox and on PC (and potentially mobile), an XBL sub and its however many monthly freebies, and an EA play sub, AND a brand new console to play all of that on for a £20 a month sub, which like I said is a pretty strong value proposition.
Series S plus Gamepass is indeed fantastic value, but irrespective of Xbox All Access. It gives you a discount of about 8% and you don't need to pay the system upfront, but it also locks you into a total spent of 500 quid.
If you do the gold plus ultimate conversion trick you can get a Series S with Gamepass Ultimate for 3 years for a total of 350 pounds. So longer and better gamepass for way less than All Access - with this deal you actually *do* get the system for free. This has nothing to do with being an existing customer of the Xbox ecosystem btw. You do have to jump through more hoops than with AA and this deal probably won't exist for much longer though.
Don't think the comparison to phone contracts really holds water either. Until a couple years ago you regularly could save 30-40% on the phone with a contract. A far cry from the amount you save with AA.
I'm not sure if mid gen refreshes are coming that soon.Oh so around 3-4 years into the gen, which would be a ...mid gen refresh?
I expect it'll be a while and they first want manufacturing costs down and yields up.
The yields on the PS5/XSX SoC's are pretty lousy from what I understand.
Wow who is your source nintexTSMC reportedly has yields as low as 58% on their 7nm process.
But what IP?Metal Gear, Castlevania, Silent Hill.
What do you do with Contra or Castlevania that isn't just a remaster?Create new games.
They made all of those garbage Symphony rip offs on the 3ds that soured the ground for any future Castlevania releases.breh what? Did you not see the thirst for Bloodstained? A retro Castlevania could do super well but the series is begging to be modernized too. Castlevania is also still relatively high profile thanks to the Netflix series + inclusion in Smash.
As much as I love Silent Hill, there's no market for it.I don't even know what this means. :lol It made a huge stink when Konami killed Silent Hills. Do you think there isn't a market for horror games anymore?
These old franchises carry weight and nostalgia with gamers, they will generate interest and hype if it's clear time and effort is put into the product.I want a sequel to Shattered Soldier so bad it's not even funny. :dsp
These old franchises carry weight and nostalgia with gamers, they will generate interest and hype if it's clear time and effort is put into the product.I want a sequel to Shattered Soldier so bad it's not even funny. :dsp
Contra IV needs to be redone to not be plagued by the dreaded DS split screen. Game was great otherwise... Haven't tried Rebirth yet, but have it downloaded somewhere...These old franchises carry weight and nostalgia with gamers, they will generate interest and hype if it's clear time and effort is put into the product.I want a sequel to Shattered Soldier so bad it's not even funny. :dsp
Didn't we get this already with Contra IV and Rebirth? Plus there's Hard Corps Uprising.
And have you played Blazing Chrome yet? PLAY BLAZING CHROME
:ufup
And no, I haven't played Blazing Chrome yet. Have it in my wishlist in both PSN and Steam, just haven't wanted to drop the skrilla for it.
Not sure why Hard Corps Uprising has been re-ported to everything and 4K-a-fied...Now I wanna play this again.
Why the fuck would anyone buy Konami? Do we really need ANOTHER Metal Gear game?
Jesus let the man be free of that series. :lolWhy the fuck would anyone buy Konami? Do we really need ANOTHER Metal Gear game?
Yes.meme (Only if it's from Kojimbo)
You can, thanks to Xbox One BC! Wow!Looks like there were dlc characters that I never bought. I think I'll get them and do a replay soon since it works on Xbox One. :gun
Thanks Microsoft! #ad
Buy it today!
https://marketplace.xbox.com/en-us/Product/Hard-Corps-Uprising/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410a18
Sorry PlayStation, maybe next time
You can, thanks to Xbox One BC! Wow!I had it on PS3 digital form, if I just fire up my PS4 and... oh wait... :fbm
Thanks Microsoft! #ad
Buy it today!
https://marketplace.xbox.com/en-us/Product/Hard-Corps-Uprising/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410a18
Sorry PlayStation, maybe next time
Going back to Bethesda, I seriously don't see how they'll only release TESVI solely on BoneSEX/PC... They should pull a Soyny and just do the year of exclusivity on there, but it would be throwing away an elephant ass load of money not porting it to PS5 (assuming this will have similar success and install base as PS4). Seems to be too massive of a series to not do that.Nah, Starfield and Elder Scrolls will be big Xbox / GamePass / PC exclusives.
Bethesda diehard fans will purchase an Xbox for TES6/FalloutI guess I'm not that diehard of a fan as I thought I was then. :heh
100% guaranteed
Microsoft buying Sega, Persona 3 + 4 + 5 on game pass, Persona 6 exclusive to Xbox.
The salt
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Microsoft buying Sega, Persona 3 + 4 + 5 on game pass, Persona 6 exclusive to Xbox.
The salt
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Is this about games or console wars? It seems to me it's about console wars. Given your age it couldn't be more pathetic.
Have you ever played a Persona game?
Celebrating companies buying companies is a byproduct consumer wars. No one in their right mind should celebrate monopolies.
Admit it, you're a Microsoft fanboy.
Bethesda diehard fans will purchase an Xbox for TES6/Fallout
100% guaranteed
You say it's about laughing at Sony fans but in what way is Microsoft buying Sega good for games?
https://youtu.be/lCCwBYcPads
You say it's about laughing at Sony fans but in what way is Microsoft buying Sega good for games?
I could see one hypothetical scenario working here, which is that Microsoft, now owning Sega, brings back lots of dormant IPs. Outrun, Afterburner, Golden Axe, JET SET RADIO, Virtua Fighter, etc. all back with new games being made. They get a competent studio to take over development on Sonic. A push is made to sell consoles in Japan with Yakuza and RPGs from Atlus. We get a special "Mega Drive Xbox Series S/X." That kind of thing.
And this reads like some kind of cheesy fanfiction and will never happen.
:tocry
https://youtu.be/lCCwBYcPads
Wow, this is a very gassy post.
Also, owning 600+ games on Xbone and 50+ games on Switch, does that give me mercenary status?
You say it's about laughing at Sony fans but in what way is Microsoft buying Sega good for games?
I could see one hypothetical scenario working here, which is that Microsoft, now owning Sega, brings back lots of dormant IPs. Outrun, Afterburner, Golden Axe, JET SET RADIO, Virtua Fighter, etc. all back with new games being made. They get a competent studio to take over development on Sonic. A push is made to sell consoles in Japan with Yakuza and RPGs from Atlus. We get a special "Mega Drive Xbox Series S/X." That kind of thing.
And this reads like some kind of cheesy fanfiction and will never happen.
:tocry
:dead This is wishful thinking.
In what way has MS buying any company resulted in better rewards for them? Look at what happened to Rare. World class at one point, then ended up making Kinect games. and you're out here expecting a new VF? A new JSR?
MS buying companies has been universally bad for them in the long run. Give me one example where it works out well.
And as a Sega fan, from 7 to now, I definitely want MS as far away from them as possible.
Microsoft has a looooong history of buying studios.
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/06/11/e3-2018-heres-what-happened-to-every-studio-microsoft-has-bought
And you'd have to be extra stupid or a complete Microsoft stan to want them buy something like Sega. Guarantee: if MS buys Sega the blue company will be closed within 10 years.
Jesus let the man be free of that series. :lolWhy the fuck would anyone buy Konami? Do we really need ANOTHER Metal Gear game?
Yes.meme (Only if it's from Kojimbo)
(even though DS straddled really close to it several times)
You say it's about laughing at Sony fans but in what way is Microsoft buying Sega good for games?
I could see one hypothetical scenario working here, which is that Microsoft, now owning Sega, brings back lots of dormant IPs. Outrun, Afterburner, Golden Axe, JET SET RADIO, Virtua Fighter, etc. all back with new games being made. They get a competent studio to take over development on Sonic. A push is made to sell consoles in Japan with Yakuza and RPGs from Atlus. We get a special "Mega Drive Xbox Series S/X." That kind of thing.
And this reads like some kind of cheesy fanfiction and will never happen.
:tocry
:dead This is wishful thinking.
In what way has MS buying any company resulted in better rewards for them? Look at what happened to Rare. World class at one point, then ended up making Kinect games. and you're out here expecting a new VF? A new JSR?
MS buying companies has been universally bad for them in the long run. Give me one example where it works out well.
And as a Sega fan, from 7 to now, I definitely want MS as far away from them as possible.
Microsoft has a looooong history of buying studios.
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/06/11/e3-2018-heres-what-happened-to-every-studio-microsoft-has-bought
And you'd have to be extra stupid or a complete Microsoft stan to want them buy something like Sega. Guarantee: if MS buys Sega the blue company will be closed within 10 years.
https://youtu.be/WI2IPeocbAA
They sound... pretty content and happy about it!
Jesus let the man be free of that series. :lolWhy the fuck would anyone buy Konami? Do we really need ANOTHER Metal Gear game?
Yes.meme (Only if it's from Kojimbo)
(even though DS straddled really close to it several times)
Who said I wanted him chained to it? I'm willing to let him do whatever he wants, but he should be able to oversee and continue the series if he wants.
Speaking of Konami and Metal Gear:
https://www.gog.com/game/metal_gear_solid
https://www.gog.com/game/metal_gear_solid_2_substance
https://www.gog.com/game/metal_gear
Not up on Steam yet, but it looks like the "rumor" *autistic screeching* poster was right.
(MGS3 and 4, plz)You say it's about laughing at Sony fans but in what way is Microsoft buying Sega good for games?
I could see one hypothetical scenario working here, which is that Microsoft, now owning Sega, brings back lots of dormant IPs. Outrun, Afterburner, Golden Axe, JET SET RADIO, Virtua Fighter, etc. all back with new games being made. They get a competent studio to take over development on Sonic. A push is made to sell consoles in Japan with Yakuza and RPGs from Atlus. We get a special "Mega Drive Xbox Series S/X." That kind of thing.
And this reads like some kind of cheesy fanfiction and will never happen.
:tocry
:dead This is wishful thinking.
In what way has MS buying any company resulted in better rewards for them? Look at what happened to Rare. World class at one point, then ended up making Kinect games. and you're out here expecting a new VF? A new JSR?
MS buying companies has been universally bad for them in the long run. Give me one example where it works out well.
And as a Sega fan, from 7 to now, I definitely want MS as far away from them as possible.
Microsoft has a looooong history of buying studios.
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/06/11/e3-2018-heres-what-happened-to-every-studio-microsoft-has-bought
And you'd have to be extra stupid or a complete Microsoft stan to want them buy something like Sega. Guarantee: if MS buys Sega the blue company will be closed within 10 years.
https://youtu.be/WI2IPeocbAA
They sound... pretty content and happy about it!
Being fair: Rare said the same shiny-happy-people bullshit before they turned into... that.
MS has a history of mismanaging companies. Ensemble Studios sends their regards and all that.
That's comparing Microsoft management from 2003-2015 to 2020 though. I'm not gonna say Microsoft has a great track record for studio managing in the past. But I'd say genuinely that they're putting effort into the industry, which hasn't been the case for a while.
Bethesda diehard fans will purchase an Xbox for TES6/Fallout
100% guaranteed
Wouldn't most Bethesda diehard fans be PC players?
That's comparing Microsoft management from 2003-2015 to 2020 though. I'm not gonna say Microsoft has a great track record for studio managing in the past. But I'd say genuinely that they're putting effort into the industry, which hasn't been the case for a while.
"Bethesda is happy with the acquisition!"
"Rare, et. al. companies said the same thing, dude."
"NO NOT LIKE THAT!"
:comeon
It's ok to be optimistic, but it's not ok to dismiss concerns given their history of managing the companies they buy
Bethesda diehard fans will purchase an Xbox for TES6/Fallout
100% guaranteed
Wouldn't most Bethesda diehard fans be PC players?
No.
Morrowind certainly produced a lot of console die-hards.
But yes "most" are PC.. their games sell better there still. They've even talked about the mix before, I am too lazy to google.. but IIRC it was PC > XBox > PS4 for Fallout 4.
MS buying companies has been universally bad for them in the long run. Give me one example where it works out well.
Bungie became mega rich from Microsoft... and was allowed to separate. Lionhead was about to die as a company.. MS injected tons of money into them and they released a couple really successful Fable games. They crashed and burned after Molyneux left and MS has some blame for that, but MS managed them well for almost a decade before that. They would have been bought by someone else and we have no clue what would have happened because plenty of devs have sucked after big publishers buy them.
Allegedly Rare has basically done what their creatives actually wanted to do... that's what people on the ground have said, even about them making Kinect games. Also who the fuck knows if Rare would ever have really made the leap into modern gaming? Not every dev from that era did, at all.. many are the butt of many jokes today.
Xbox has gone through 2 big management changes so it's hard to paint some clear picture that makes them universally bad. They also didn't exactly acquire that many studios before 2018.
Don't get me wrong 343i is kind of a joke.. they did eventually not make Lionhead employees happy, etc.. but supposedly they've learned from that. Lionhead complaints were MS meddling too much with creatives.. literally every dev they've bought since 2018 is on record saying that MS is just throwing money at them and letting them create what they want. Companies like Obsidian that were worried about every project they had to prototype not being bought, etc.
We'll see in 2-3 years if that actually pans out.. since.. most of them were bought 2 years ago and games take a long time, especially when you are growing studios and a pandemic hits.
You didn't understand my point. Different CEO, different head of the Xbox division, different management from the top down.
The concerns are built off of Don Mattrick and the cocaine cowboys that turned Rare into a Kinect studio.
It's the same shit with Scalebound or Phantom Dust or any other Japanese company they have worked/collaborated with: They don't understand the company culture or don't understand the art-style/gameplay and fuck it up.
Atlus has never made a game for Xbox besides that online MMO which was clearly an attempt to procure funding and little else.
Atlus has never made a game for Xbox besides that online MMO which was clearly an attempt to procure funding and little else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Megami_Tensei:_Nine
(Not to mention P4U/2 and publishing third parties [which isn't Atlus itself and I guess P4U wouldn't necessarily be Atlus themselves either])
Atlus has never made a game for Xbox besides that online MMO which was clearly an attempt to procure funding and little else. Meanwhile, they've putting games on Sony hardware as far back as Persona 1 and Soul Hackers.
You didn't understand my point. Different CEO, different head of the Xbox division, different management from the top down.
No, I understood your point. That's why I was being flippant.
"NO NOT LIKE THAT"/"IT'S A DIFFERENT CEO THOUGH!" doesn't mean there's no history. MS is MS, like Google is Google: If the company doesn't make them money off the bat (which Beth will) they'll drop them/mismanage them.
It's the same shit with Scalebound or Phantom Dust or any other Japanese company they have worked/collaborated with: They don't understand the company culture or don't understand the art-style/gameplay and fuck it up.
Instead of "Rare/Ensamble/etc. sends their regards," do you want me to say "Phantom Dust (which I'm a die-hard of) sends it's regards," instead?
"We're doing a remake!"
*MS/Phil mandates so much shit that changes from the original gameplay style and look*
"NO NOT LIKE THAT! FANS WILL HATE IT! *Cancels it*"
Again: :comeonQuoteThe concerns are built off of Don Mattrick and the cocaine cowboys that turned Rare into a Kinect studio.
The concerns are way before Don Mattrick, dude. You know how I know you haven't touched any "MS Games Studio" PC titles from the 1990's?
Atlus has never made a game for Xbox besides that online MMO which was clearly an attempt to procure funding and little else. Meanwhile, they've putting games on Sony hardware as far back as Persona 1 and Soul Hackers.
Atlus used to release games on everything, including the Virtual Boy- point being that they have supported most consoles going back to their original hardware releases, and that includes the Xbox, which got the exclusive release of Shin Megami Tensei: Nine. They also published Touge R, but that was it, IIRC. It makes sense that they didn't do anything else, since the Xbox was a major flop in Japan. The MMORPG you're thinking of is Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine, which was a PC release.
They also released Catherine, Persona 4 Arena, and Persona 4 Ultimax for the Xbox 360, but like the Xbox, the 360 might as well not have existed over there. I did always wonder why Atlus didn't at least release the other Persona games for the Microsoft consoles in North America and Europe, though. Ditto for Nintendo consoles.
All this post tells me is you're a very old and jaded person that has trust issues, stemming from a broken heart with how Microsoft has disappointed you. :doge
I guess I have hope and I'm excited about what may happen for Xbox. All it really comes down to. Fear mongering over videogames isn't something I like doing.
Atlus has never made a game for Xbox besides that online MMO which was clearly an attempt to procure funding and little else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Megami_Tensei:_Nine
(Not to mention P4U/2 and publishing third parties [which isn't Atlus itself and I guess P4U wouldn't necessarily be Atlus themselves either])
SMT 9 is the mmo I'm referring in that exact post.
This ain't an own.
https://youtu.be/lCCwBYcPads
Wow, this is a very gassy post.
Also, owning 600+ games on Xbone and 50+ games on Switch, does that give me mercenary status?
(https://i.imgur.com/9ToDFhV.gif)
THAT MAN IS A CONSOLE FA.GGOT IN 2020 Y'ALL
All this post tells me is you're a very old and jaded person that has trust issues, stemming from a broken heart with how Microsoft has disappointed you. :doge
"IT'S WAS A DEBATE!!!!!!" defense, I see.QuoteI guess I have hope and I'm excited about what may happen for Xbox. All it really comes down to. Fear mongering over videogames isn't something I like doing.
Like I said: You can be optimistic, there is nothing wrong with that. But to dismiss legit concerns (and PC players have a HUGE bone to pick with MS buying PC studios and fucking them up, learn your history X-box boy) is dumb.
Cindy is right, you're doing console warring because your favorite company bought a big studio, which is fucking dumb. We'll see in a few years if Beth is still "hot" or if MS fucks them up like every other company they have bought.Atlus has never made a game for Xbox besides that online MMO which was clearly an attempt to procure funding and little else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Megami_Tensei:_Nine
(Not to mention P4U/2 and publishing third parties [which isn't Atlus itself and I guess P4U wouldn't necessarily be Atlus themselves either])
SMT 9 is the mmo I'm referring in that exact post.
This ain't an own.
It wasn't an "own," it was pointing out that Atlus has published on X-box before.
(And I forgot about Catherine, which Bork pointed out)
BTW, Soul Hackers was a Sega Saturn game. They ported it to PS1 a few years after release when the Dreamcast had already been out.
:birdman
All this post tells me is you're a very old and jaded person that has trust issues, stemming from a broken heart with how Microsoft has disappointed you. :doge
"IT'S WAS A DEBATE!!!!!!" defense, I see.QuoteI guess I have hope and I'm excited about what may happen for Xbox. All it really comes down to. Fear mongering over videogames isn't something I like doing.
Like I said: You can be optimistic, there is nothing wrong with that. But to dismiss legit concerns (and PC players have a HUGE bone to pick with MS buying PC studios and fucking them up, learn your history X-box boy) is dumb.
Cindy is right, you're doing console warring because your favorite company bought a big studio, which is fucking dumb. We'll see in a few years if Beth is still "hot" or if MS fucks them up like every other company they have bought.Atlus has never made a game for Xbox besides that online MMO which was clearly an attempt to procure funding and little else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Megami_Tensei:_Nine
(Not to mention P4U/2 and publishing third parties [which isn't Atlus itself and I guess P4U wouldn't necessarily be Atlus themselves either])
SMT 9 is the mmo I'm referring in that exact post.
This ain't an own.
It wasn't an "own," it was pointing out that Atlus has published on X-box before.
(And I forgot about Catherine, which Bork pointed out)
Listen, If we're getting into what's "fucking dumb" regarding videogame discussion on this board, using a hateful word because someone enjoys a plastic toy box more than other plastic toy boxes, that ranks at the tippy top of "fucking dumb".
Again, the whole SEGA thing is dumb lol
MS aren't buying them.. if they were we'd be actually hearing about it as they are basically a publicly traded company.
Again, the whole SEGA thing is dumb lol
MS aren't buying them.. if they were we'd be actually hearing about it as they are basically a publicly traded company.
If I could bet on it, I'd probably bet big on Xbox not existing at Microsoft in 10 years.
But in the mean time I have hope they shovel a ton of money at some talent, and I get some games for pennies :win
I dont get it, we already have a remake for MGS2 on PC and it works like a charm
If I could bet on it, I'd probably bet big on Xbox not existing at Microsoft in 10 years.
If I could bet on it, I'd probably bet big on Xbox not existing at Microsoft in 10 years.
Someone probably made this bet in 2003 and 2015. :doge
Sure. And they would have been almost right according to reports of shareholders unhappy with Xbox at some points.. when gamers thought Xbox was most successful lol
Right now they are selling everyone on cloud gaming and spending huge cash.... their plans appear long term, but if it's not obviously paying off in 5 years I bet talks would start internally.
There's a powerpoint somewhere with a 5 year target for Gamepass and xCloud... and if it doesn't come close to being met, and it might not.. they will be in trouble with management. That's just how that shit works.
I mean look at this shit:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/xbox-boss-video-games-undergoing-same-transformation-as-tv-music-212121940.html
From yesterday.
The only reason Satya cares is because he thinks game streaming is going to take over like movie/music streaming did... and I REALLLLY hope they understand and have discussed that it was market forces that caused movie/music industry to be FORCED into adopting streaming... and there is no obvious market force of users demanding game streaming or behavior (like piracy for music/movies was) forcing them to give users a "convenient / cheap option."
And there's also so many other differences.. from the tech involved and it's costs, to the user experience and how it's impossible to be "cached", etc.
It feels like tech companies trying to wish something into existence. Apple is making a killing off of mobile gaming without having to even make a single game and they want to be able to do the same thing but consoles don't sell well enough... so they think streaming can reach as many people as cell phones do without them having to manufacture them...
Good luck.
I dont get it, we already have a remake for MGS2 on PC and it works like a charm
It's re-release of the old, shitty port. Also what do you mean by "remake?"
If I could bet on it, I'd probably bet big on Xbox not existing at Microsoft in 10 years.
But in the mean time I have hope they shovel a ton of money at some talent, and I get some games for pennies :win
Phil Spencer hasn't given Xbox as much as a boost as Peter Moore or even Don Mattrick did in terms of market share vs. the competition.Peter Moore: 2003 - 2007
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/86/f3/b6/86f3b65249fbaca12e142281558c06ac.gif)
dumb shit
Streaming became the future for music and then movies because you can get them instantly. With a modern connection you can get them with little to no buffering and good enough quality. It was great would I could download a song in a minute and now it's amazing that I don't have to "download" it all to even listen to it instantly. Movies and tv shows are also pretty much there and while sure a 4k disc sounds and looks better, most people don't even invest in the equipment to see that. The quality is good enough. And since I can stream, the storage dosen't even have to be that big.
Will games ever to that level? Will I be able to play Final Fantasy XX the day of release with the press of a button on a device with less than a Tb of storage, storage not even really meant to save the actual game on? Will the nations internet be strong and built up enough for that? Will data caps allow for this?
I don't see the answer being yes for a long time and so I don't know when streaming will be the way games are done as they are with music and movies. Playing a modern big game would need to be as quick and easy as downloading the new Travis Scott album with my phone internet on the train to work/school. I'd also assume the way games are simply developed would also have to change.
*reminder that Nintex said Microsoft was exploiting physically handicapped people because the adaptive controller Microsoft sold was $200 (which based on quick research, is a drop in the bucket compared to other controller options or solutions for people with a physical disability)I've said worse things tbh :smug but that doesn't change the fact that Xbox One was in a distant second and if you count Switch and PC(Steam) actually a distant 4th position this generation.
Look up all the data and numbers.
You can see for yourselves.
Avg. Metacritic scores for Xbox Game Studios? -> lower
Xbox One (X) sales vs. 360 sales in the latter half of the gen? -> lower
Xbox Live growth -> slower
GamePass was a hit but that was mostly Xbox LIVE members also signing up for GamePass.
Arguably Spencer isn't going for the quick win but the marathon or whatever but if that xCloud and Series S|X doesn't work out he's a bigger failure than Mattrick.
His biggest successes were shit he simply bought like Minecraft or that other parts of Microsoft decided to cooperate on like the Surface team for the hardware design.
They can't even get a Forza out the door for launch and that big Fable thing has been rebooted.
Everyone is falling for the tricks of this tiny con man :rejoice
Games won't be streamable like mp3's for a while. No one wants to listen to a song that gets interrupted every few seconds or runs at half speed either.
Which is essentially what streaming video games is, slow, laggy and unstable. Which is ok for certain type of games and older less demanding games
but just doesn't hold up for competitive multiplayer and high-fidelity single player titles.
And then we're not even talking about ISP's throtlling internet speeds and bandwith caps and such bullshit.
I await patiently for someone to tell me I'm wrong by naming (new) products Phil Spencer spearheaded that weren't cheap PR stunts, duds or simply bought and continued as is.
With Phil Spencer every year is the biggest year in the history of Xbox :lol
But like all the hardware that came out under Spencer has been more efficient (size and noise) and competitive in price/performance than what Sony brought out during the same time.
But like all the hardware that came out under Spencer has been more efficient (size and noise) and competitive in price/performance than what Sony brought out during the same time.
:confused
they're both just slapping their logo on the best GPU they could afford to meet an arbitrary price point and whatever mobile CPU AMD had knocking around their unsold items warehouses thrown in free
The surface team actually did a nice job on the hardware but again that has little to do with team Xbox as Microsoft just didn't want to risk burning the place down by having team xbox tinker with hardware ever again :teeheeBut like all the hardware that came out under Spencer has been more efficient (size and noise) and competitive in price/performance than what Sony brought out during the same time.
:confused
they're both just slapping their logo on the best GPU they could afford to meet an arbitrary price point and whatever mobile CPU AMD had knocking around their unsold items warehouses thrown in free
Some supposed leaked shots of Starfield....Plenty?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei3_KZcWsAAOZXl?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei3_K1bXsAAdzJs?format=jpg&name=large)
If legit.... eh. What more could they do that hasn't been done yet in ME, NMS, EVE or Outer Worlds, etc? Keeping expectations low so there won't be disappointment.
What more could they do that hasn't been planned to be done in Star Citizen though?Some supposed leaked shots of Starfield....Plenty?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei3_KZcWsAAOZXl?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei3_K1bXsAAdzJs?format=jpg&name=large)
If legit.... eh. What more could they do that hasn't been done yet in ME, NMS, EVE or Outer Worlds, etc? Keeping expectations low so there won't be disappointment.
What more could they do that hasn't been planned to be done in Star Citizen though?Some supposed leaked shots of Starfield....Plenty?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei3_KZcWsAAOZXl?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei3_K1bXsAAdzJs?format=jpg&name=large)
If legit.... eh. What more could they do that hasn't been done yet in ME, NMS, EVE or Outer Worlds, etc? Keeping expectations low so there won't be disappointment.