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Title: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: BIONIC on September 21, 2020, 09:05:50 AM
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/09/21/welcoming-bethesda-to-the-xbox-family/

:titus
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2020, 09:08:22 AM
 :juchesad
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: eleuin on September 21, 2020, 09:09:49 AM
:crazy
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 21, 2020, 09:10:38 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/LoMjreQ.gif)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Beezy on September 21, 2020, 09:11:10 AM
MS needs to feed Gamepass :lol
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: nudemacusers on September 21, 2020, 09:15:16 AM
Here for mad sonypony reposts :delicious
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: BIONIC on September 21, 2020, 09:16:50 AM
Bethesda were easily the best and most consistent publisher for me last gen.

The Evil Within, Doom, Wolfenstein, Dishonored, Prey, and Rage 2 (level design sucked, but shooting was top notch) were all fucking amazing for me.

And I bought them all for PS4…  :walkaway
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Svejk on September 21, 2020, 09:17:21 AM
Well, guess that'll push me towards PC more... Maybe when TESVI comes, I'll have a capable one by then.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: demi on September 21, 2020, 09:18:04 AM
All bethesda games day one on gamepass #ad
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Svejk on September 21, 2020, 09:19:06 AM
Haha jokes on us.  Bethesda will be dismantled like all other MS studios.  It was nice knowing you, TES.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: nudemacusers on September 21, 2020, 09:19:19 AM
I loled but then I realized I just rebought Skyrim like two weeks ago when it’ll prob be on game pass in a month 😢
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: bork on September 21, 2020, 09:19:47 AM
Watch Microsoft still let all their games release on other platforms.  :P
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on September 21, 2020, 09:20:15 AM
Mark Cerny angry and sweating!
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: BIONIC on September 21, 2020, 09:28:08 AM
Only good news here is if Obsidian takes over Fallout  :drool
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 21, 2020, 09:28:36 AM
https://twitter.com/dinabass/status/1308028764220059648

todd howard right now:
(https://i.imgur.com/psQlsaC.gif)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: MMaRsu on September 21, 2020, 09:30:45 AM
 :mindblown
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 21, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
"IF WE CAN'T HAVE TIKTOK WE'LL TAKE BETHESDA"
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: tiesto on September 21, 2020, 09:34:37 AM
Vista no longer the buggiest product ever released by MS
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: MMaRsu on September 21, 2020, 09:39:54 AM
Well that confirms me getting a Xbox Series X for sure.

Plenty of great games in the Bethesda stable
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: demi on September 21, 2020, 09:40:27 AM
Damn everyone really worried / up in arms over this. Just buy a Series X guys, gamepass is pretty alright #ad
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Don Rumata on September 21, 2020, 09:40:44 AM
ID to fix Halo for 343?  :lol
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 21, 2020, 09:42:29 AM
ID to fix Halo for 343?  :lol

:obama

You joke but this is a great idea.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 21, 2020, 09:42:57 AM
To put into perspective, this is "only" half a billion less than they paid for Nokia, which included a fuckton of essential patents necessary to build mobile phones so uhhhh yeah I think they overpaid
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 21, 2020, 09:53:20 AM
Bethesda has a fuckton of essential patents on AmeriJank.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: MMaRsu on September 21, 2020, 09:56:53 AM
To put into perspective, this is "only" half a billion less than they paid for Nokia, which included a fuckton of essential patents necessary to build mobile phones so uhhhh yeah I think they overpaid

Yeah when Nokia was worth a damn.. When was that 2012?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 21, 2020, 10:05:27 AM
Bethesda has a fuckton of essential patents on AmeriJank.

Also todd howard memes
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Svejk on September 21, 2020, 10:06:52 AM
TES, Starfield and Dishonored all going GaaS like Minecraft.   :rejoice
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 21, 2020, 10:08:58 AM
AHHHHHHHHH

 :dead :dead :dead

We gonna feast on Sony boys Tonite
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: eleuin on September 21, 2020, 10:15:59 AM
To put into perspective, this is "only" half a billion less than they paid for Nokia, which included a fuckton of essential patents necessary to build mobile phones so uhhhh yeah I think they overpaid

and disney paid 4B for star wars, but does it really matter (I know it does) when you're already have so much capital to throw around
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 21, 2020, 10:19:27 AM
You gotta consider that maybe MS wasn't the only one to make an offer.

Maybe, but who else has that kind of cash to be in the running?
Bethesda as Oculus exclusive developer?
Bethesda as Stadia exclusive developer?
Bethesda as part of the Tencent collection?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: MMaRsu on September 21, 2020, 10:19:44 AM
Shinji Mikami now works at Microsoft

 :lol
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: MMaRsu on September 21, 2020, 10:19:59 AM
You gotta consider that maybe MS wasn't the only one to make an offer.

Maybe, but who else has that kind of cash to be in the running?
Bethesda as Oculus exclusive developer?
Bethesda as Stadia exclusive developer?
Bethesda as part of the Tencent collection?

Sony?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: thisismyusername on September 21, 2020, 10:20:47 AM
Here for mad sonypony reposts :delicious

Given how shit their games run on console (but especially Sony ones), is it a big loss? :yeshrug
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 21, 2020, 10:23:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2V9TFrmQ_Q
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 21, 2020, 10:25:28 AM
You gotta consider that maybe MS wasn't the only one to make an offer.

Maybe, but who else has that kind of cash to be in the running?
Bethesda as Oculus exclusive developer?
Bethesda as Stadia exclusive developer?
Bethesda as part of the Tencent collection?

Sony?

not a chance, they're not one of the tech big boys.
MS made Sonys entire valuation in one day when it said it was going to make an offer for TikTok
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 21, 2020, 10:26:33 AM
So by default, Sony now has the worst first party.

This is stupidity and I rarely come out to bat for Sony these days.

Minecraft is owned by MS and is on every system. MS LOVES peddling and congratulating "competitors" while pawning their wares on "competitors" systems. MS barely competes as is. With their recent PC gaming love, the need for an Xbox is even less necessary. Bet, if ID is on Halo they'll put that shit on PC and no one will still buy Xbuck.

Like usual, Xbro gamers seem to have the smallest of brains.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Lonewulfeus on September 21, 2020, 10:27:10 AM
Does this include zenimax online and can they include eso plus in gamepass please?!
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 21, 2020, 10:30:04 AM
Imagine playing console wars with a company that is so lost they advertised their shit in top exclusive games on other platforms.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/14/xbox-joins-animal-crossing-new-horizons-hype-train-creates-custom-clothing-12556531/

:dead :sabu

You have to be real smooth brained to think Microsoft is going to make Bethesda games exclusive to their platform. Doom, Skyrim;etc are on every system imaginable and they would loss money by making them exclusive just the same they would if they the did the same with Minecraft.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Beezy on September 21, 2020, 10:36:27 AM
Imagine playing console wars with a company that is so lost they advertised their shit in top exclusive games on other platforms.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/14/xbox-joins-animal-crossing-new-horizons-hype-train-creates-custom-clothing-12556531/

:dead :sabu

You have to be real smooth brained to think Microsoft is going to make Bethesda games exclusive to their platform. Doom, Skyrim;etc are on every system imaginable and they would loss money by making them exclusive just the same they would if they the did the same with Minecraft.
If you know this, then why do you think MS still cares about console wars? That's dead. It's all about Gamepass subs now.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Coffee Dog on September 21, 2020, 10:36:35 AM
Microsoft putting obsidian to work on a skyrim clone and then just buying skyrim six months later  :lol
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Lonewulfeus on September 21, 2020, 10:37:12 AM
So by default, Sony now has the worst first party.

Do you still think Phil should get fired?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 21, 2020, 10:46:21 AM
if it means more aaa shid on gamepass at release so be it :biden
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 21, 2020, 10:46:58 AM
Yay looking forward to doom Wolfenstein etc day 1 on gamepass
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Lonewulfeus on September 21, 2020, 10:47:24 AM
So by default, Sony now has the worst first party.

Do you still think Phil should get fired?

Yes.

 :pika
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Bebpo on September 21, 2020, 10:49:14 AM
Big deal purchase for sure. Glad MS games still come to Steam since Game Pass versions aren't mod friendly.

Gonna definitely swing some console only people from PS to MS in a few years when the games start coming out.

Wonder if Bethesda back catalogue will hit game pass? I still haven't bought Doom Eternal.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 21, 2020, 10:57:01 AM
lol sony had money hatted 2 bethesda games as time exclusives for ps5 :titus
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 21, 2020, 10:59:38 AM
ghostwire tokyo, idk what that is tbf
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: bork on September 21, 2020, 11:04:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2V9TFrmQ_Q

"These games are getting really realistic."

:dead
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Beezy on September 21, 2020, 11:20:58 AM
https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1308062702905044993
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: thetylerrob on September 21, 2020, 11:22:34 AM
Microsoft is gonna sell you game pass on PS5 and Switch too.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 21, 2020, 11:26:09 AM
Microsoft is gonna sell you game pass on PS5 and Switch too.

I can see what Nintendo get out of that deal and what would get them to greenlight it (doubly so if its the streaming via Xcloud option included) but I can see Sony not wanting that
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Svejk on September 21, 2020, 11:31:08 AM
Microsoft is gonna sell you game pass on PS5 and Switch too.
I'd be 1000% ok with that... As a matter of fact, I hope that happens.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: nudemacusers on September 21, 2020, 11:33:47 AM
https://twitter.com/imranzomg/status/1308054774902714369

(https://media.tenor.com/images/f7354b8c66dcf774a0cd75d1806e0d56/tenor.gif)
Sony 😂

Edit didn’t realize this is the day before preorders 😂
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 21, 2020, 11:38:17 AM
ghostwire tokyo, idk what that is tbf

This one especially looks like super trash
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Tuckers Law on September 21, 2020, 11:39:37 AM
Oh right, totally forgot about that game.

This also means MS now has an MMO.

For now...

(Said by a longtime Asheron’s Call fan)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Tuckers Law on September 21, 2020, 11:43:47 AM
Ree thinks a lot of dumb stuff, that’s why we’ve got a shit thread for it.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: demi on September 21, 2020, 11:45:38 AM
Twitter wants Sony to buy Konami, who have released gems such as:

- Silent Hill Pachinko
- Metal Gear Pachinko
- Some free to play Picross game on iOS
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Lonewulfeus on September 21, 2020, 11:52:08 AM
(https://i.imgflip.com/4fqy4t.jpg)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 21, 2020, 11:55:40 AM
Sony has over 30 billion in cash on hand and of course can do stock deals as well...

They were also rumored to be trying to buy Bethesda earlier this year..

Source?

Google says Sonys net worth is about $45 billion, and their most recent financials say they have about $14.5 billion Cash and cash equivalents at end of the period
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 21, 2020, 11:57:34 AM
I'm pretty sure Microsoft has 30 billion on hand with 120 billion into loans/debt. Nintendo has the most cash in hand in Japan with 8 billion. Sony wasn't in the top 10 or 20 iirc
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: demi on September 21, 2020, 12:01:58 PM
With the addition of Bethesda, Microsoft will grow from 15 to 23 creative studio teams and will be adding Bethesda's iconic franchises to Xbox Game Pass. This includes Microsoft's intent to bring Bethesda's future games into Xbox Game Pass the same day they launch on Xbox or PC, like Starfield, the highly anticipated, new space epic currently in development by Bethesda Game Studios.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/microsoft-to-acquire-zenimax-media-and-its-game-publisher-bethesda-softworks-301134492.html
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 21, 2020, 12:05:30 PM
lulz. The fanboy meltdowns will be delicious
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Raist on September 21, 2020, 12:31:23 PM
To put into perspective, this is "only" half a billion less than they paid for Nokia, which included a fuckton of essential patents necessary to build mobile phones so uhhhh yeah I think they overpaid

I mean, they blew $2B on Minecraft :lol
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 21, 2020, 12:33:46 PM
Sony has over 30 billion in cash on hand and of course can do stock deals as well...

They were also rumored to be trying to buy Bethesda earlier this year..

Source?

Google says Sonys net worth is about $45 billion, and their most recent financials say they have about $14.5 billion Cash and cash equivalents at end of the period

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SNE/sony/cash-on-hand

Their market cap is over 90 billion now... not sure where you are getting $45 billion net worth.

https://news.livedoor.com/lite/article_detail/18788644/
What would Sony's Net Cash be?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 21, 2020, 12:39:48 PM
Imagine playing console wars with a company that is so lost they advertised their shit in top exclusive games on other platforms.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/14/xbox-joins-animal-crossing-new-horizons-hype-train-creates-custom-clothing-12556531/

:dead :sabu

You have to be real smooth brained to think Microsoft is going to make Bethesda games exclusive to their platform. Doom, Skyrim;etc are on every system imaginable and they would loss money by making them exclusive just the same they would if they the did the same with Minecraft.
If you know this, then why do you think MS still cares about console wars? That's dead. It's all about Gamepass subs now.

I just find the reactions by the MS faithful here hilarious
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2020, 12:42:16 PM
More studios to run into the ground :lol

In 5 years they will have to bring in John Romero in an attempt to fix DOOM APOCALYPSE  :doge

But yeah Sony and especially Nintendo probably looking at their own purchases now before MS scoops up more.
I expect some smaller devs like Platinum Games will be bought pretty quickly and of course the race to acquire Capcom is on.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: demi on September 21, 2020, 12:42:20 PM
As Xbox Ambassador we find comments like that not in our best interest. But GamePass be looking HOT HOT HOT

Please understand
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 21, 2020, 12:43:11 PM
Imagine playing console wars with a company that is so lost they advertised their shit in top exclusive games on other platforms.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/14/xbox-joins-animal-crossing-new-horizons-hype-train-creates-custom-clothing-12556531/

:dead :sabu

You have to be real smooth brained to think Microsoft is going to make Bethesda games exclusive to their platform. Doom, Skyrim;etc are on every system imaginable and they would loss money by making them exclusive just the same they would if they the did the same with Minecraft.
If you know this, then why do you think MS still cares about console wars? That's dead. It's all about Gamepass subs now.

I just find the reactions by the MS faithful here hilarious

Laughing at Sony fucks is the main gist of all this.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on September 21, 2020, 12:43:42 PM
Who cares about exclusivity shit, since they own Bethesda and Obsidian that means we have a non zero chance of New Vegas 2 happening!
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 21, 2020, 12:44:47 PM
To put into perspective, this is "only" half a billion less than they paid for Nokia, which included a fuckton of essential patents necessary to build mobile phones so uhhhh yeah I think they overpaid

I mean, they blew $2B on Minecraft :lol

Minecraft has grossed over 500 million on mobile alone since then so
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 21, 2020, 12:49:58 PM
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SNE/sony/cash-on-hand

Their market cap is over 90 billion now... not sure where you are getting $45 billion net worth.

Like I literally said: first google result for "Sony net worth".

Ms as a company are operating at an order of magnitude larger than Sony are, which is why the gaming division can be run like a trust fund kid running a bar as a "family business".
As long as Papa MS is writing the cheques, they don't actually have to do things that make actual business sense. Doubly so when they can hide their actual financials among a bunch of unrelated crap.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: eleuin on September 21, 2020, 12:54:01 PM
yeah ms has been so incompetent for so long now people have forgotten the companies are fighting in entirely different weight classes
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 21, 2020, 12:58:36 PM
I strangely don’t think this is a good idea or even a big deal.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: demi on September 21, 2020, 01:00:00 PM
Maybe you should make a video telling us why
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: brawndolicious on September 21, 2020, 01:02:01 PM
I don't think the future releases will be on playstation unless Sony agrees to allow Game Pass. Sony would certainly insist on a 30% cut though since they would be missing out in the distribution and royalty cut. Nintendo might be okay with it since their current and probably future systems have lacking 3rd party support and something like xcloud means developers don't have to port their engine to ARM.

The purpose of this deal is to sell Game Pass, not just individual software sales. Personally, I would have preferred if they expanded GP just through small studios taking chances on new IPs but I can understand the business logic here.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: thetylerrob on September 21, 2020, 01:02:38 PM
Who cares about exclusivity shit, since they own Bethesda and Obsidian that means we have a non zero chance of New Vegas 2 happening!

 :doge
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 21, 2020, 01:13:35 PM
I mean this has now made their purchase of Obsidian pretty redundant.

Starfield and the next Elder Scrolls are years out and who knows if they will honestly make them actual exclusives. But this also probably means no main Fallout for years at this point.

You now have the id ips which is a big deal and developers like Tango. So that’s neat though Tango and Arkane’s next games are still coming to PS5.

I don’t know I’m just failing to see why I should care? Good for MS I guess. Guess I’ll have an Xbox to play Wolfenstien 3 if that happens.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2020, 01:16:20 PM
I mean this has now made their purchase of Obsidian pretty redundant.

Starfield and the next Elder Scrolls are years out and who knows if they will honestly make them actual exclusives. But this also probably means no main Fallout for years at this point.

You now have the id ips which is a big deal and developers like Tango. So that’s neat though Tango and Arkane’s next games are still coming to PS5.

I don’t know I’m just failing to see why I should care? Good for MS I guess.

It's probably the biggest developer acquisition in years, if not the biggest of all time.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 21, 2020, 01:17:27 PM
Imagine paying full price for the ps5 versions while us game pass chads get them all included with the sub :success
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: demi on September 21, 2020, 01:18:03 PM
Man if only you shared this same resentment when FF16 was made exclusive
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 21, 2020, 01:20:03 PM
I mean this has now made their purchase of Obsidian pretty redundant.

Starfield and the next Elder Scrolls are years out and who knows if they will honestly make them actual exclusives. But this also probably means no main Fallout for years at this point.

You now have the id ips which is a big deal and developers like Tango. So that’s neat though Tango and Arkane’s next games are still coming to PS5.

I don’t know I’m just failing to see why I should care? Good for MS I guess.

It's probably the biggest developer acquisition in years, if not the biggest of all time.
Minecraft was huge and MS kind of did nothing exciting with them. And left them mostly to their own devices.

This is so big and huge and a return on investment is so needed that it’s not gonna be as simple as all Bethesda games are Xbox only.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Svejk on September 21, 2020, 01:24:23 PM
Since MS will never have a game that's "console exclusive" like PS likes to rock out with their cock out jargen, people who like games, still win in the end.  This will get me to get GP a few years down the line...  (that is, if the price doesn't get any higher).  Besides the uncertainty of Starfield, I only care for TES...  If I can download/stream it to my PC when it comes in 5 years, I don't see any reason for even Sony fans to get up in arms about this.  Water under the bridge before there was even any water.
 :idont
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: nudemacusers on September 21, 2020, 01:24:46 PM
Imagine paying full price for the ps5 versions while us game pass chads get them all included with the sub :success
All these games not taking advantage of THE SSD 😭
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 21, 2020, 01:24:52 PM
Man if only you shared this same resentment when FF16 was made exclusive
FF is nowhere near as big as Elder Scrolls. Elder Scrolls games sell millions more, so much more that I don't think keeping them to just Xbox and PC is gonna really help. FF sales probably aren't as impacted by keeping it to PS and then an eventual PC release. And even if they are locked out of PS, they will still be on PC day one anyway. But you already have them saying coming to other platforms will be a case by case basis. Wolfenstien 3, yeah only on xbox and PC. Elder Scrolls whatever, yeah maybe not.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I also don't give a shit about ES and think Bethesda main is a pretty bad developer
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What I'm saying is that a purchase this big does not simply mean the same thing as buying a relatively small developer such as Obsidian or say Tango by themselves. So big that I honestly am not sure this simply means every Bethesda game is now xbox console exclusive.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I also await MS running them into the ground
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Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 21, 2020, 01:25:36 PM
Rax you are crazy. This aquisition is killing it.

Doom, Wolfenstein, Elder Scrolls and Fallout, day 1 gamepass, xbox console exclusive.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Svejk on September 21, 2020, 01:31:03 PM
Rax you are crazy. This aquisition is killing it.

Doom, Wolfenstein, Elder Scrolls and Fallout, day 1 gamepass, xbox console exclusive.
But it's on PC too, right? No need to buy an xbox for this service.

If this was made to end the console wars, it sure did... PC defeats them both with no contest. lol
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2020, 01:38:37 PM
smart move for Zenimax Bethesda to sell the joint though

- Rage 2 lmao
- They could no longer coast on Skyrim
- They already ran the Wolfenstein reboot series into the ground with Young Blood
- Their current line-up (Death Loop / Ghostwhire Tokyo) had bomba written all over it and were timed PS5 exclusives to boot
- DOOM Eternal didn't chart for long
- Fallout 76 was a dud
- They didn't know when if ever Todd would finish the next Elder Scrolls and Starfield
- Bethesda.net wasn't a really popular storefront that could compete with Steam or EGS
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Bebpo on September 21, 2020, 01:38:45 PM
The only negative about this is I wish MS bought IOI first because they need the $$$ a lot more.

Hoping IOI will be next MS purchase!


/also if MS changes management in 5-10 years and starts shuttering all these studios like their past history that could be bad (like a Zenimax the first studio they'd kill would be Arkane for sure), yeah. But at least in the short-term they are supporting them.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 21, 2020, 01:42:00 PM
- Bethesda.net wasn't a really popular storefront that could compete with Steam or EGS

Huh, yeah, good point.
I don't see the point of an ongoing bethesda.net launcher / storefront now (which is from a baseline of not seeing the point before, just even more so now)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Bebpo on September 21, 2020, 01:43:47 PM
But yeah, they better not fuck with mod support on Elder Scrolls/Fallout or PC gamers will eat them alive.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2020, 01:45:18 PM
- DOOM Eternal didn't chart for long

It's estimated to have sold 3 million digital copies in just the first few weeks.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2020, 01:45:43 PM
The only company participating in a console war is Sony.
Yeah it's kinda weird to see how the big 3 have a totally different focus now.

Xbox -> Cloud gaming / Netflix of gaming

Nintendo -> IP entertainment company like Disney

Sony -> Exclusive high-end cinematic video game productions
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 21, 2020, 01:45:49 PM
https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1308069857913720832?s=20

John Carmack working on a reboot of Quake
 :rejoice :rejoice :rejoice

(Not happening yet, but the door is now open for his return)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 21, 2020, 01:47:10 PM
smart move for Zenimax Bethesda to sell the joint though

- Rage 2 lmao
- They could no longer coast on Skyrim
- They already ran the Wolfenstein reboot series into the ground with Young Blood
- Their current line-up (Death Loop / Ghostwhire Tokyo) had bomba written all over it and were timed PS5 exclusives to boot
- DOOM Eternal didn't chart for long
- Fallout 76 was a dud
- They didn't know when if ever Todd would finish the next Elder Scrolls and Starfield
- Bethesda.net wasn't a really popular storefront that could compete with Steam or EGS
I mean honestly this is kind of all true. I also believe Bethesda was kind of a dud this gen as well. Outside of Skyrim re-releases and I guess Fallout 4 which feels like years ago, it's not like their games have been smashing successes. Some critical and commercial success, but also a lot of of just medicore sales with things like Prey and Evil Within 2. And yeah while Young Blood was awful, not like Wolfenstein 2 was a smash hit with fans or with sales. I don't know, feels like their biggest hits this gen where Skyrim rerelease and Doom 2016.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EidE1n5XkAUoXKU?format=jpg&name=medium)

I look at this and I just don't care.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: thisismyusername on September 21, 2020, 01:48:08 PM
This also means MS now has an MMO.

Um, Sweaty: They already had an MMO (https://store.steampowered.com/app/1056640/Phantasy_Star_Online_2/). They're the ones that brought it over to the West even if Sega is tooting their horn on developing/"publishing" it in the west. :kermit

Microsoft is gonna sell you game pass on PS5 and Switch too.

I can see what Nintendo get out of that deal and what would get them to greenlight it (doubly so if its the streaming via Xcloud option included) but I can see Sony not wanting that

Sony denied EA Play/EA's "gamepass" for so fucking long. Same with cross-play. So they'd be eating some folks that care about that for sure.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Coffee Dog on September 21, 2020, 01:53:20 PM
Who cares about exclusivity shit, since they own Bethesda and Obsidian that means we have a non zero chance of New Vegas 2 happening!

New Vegas from the developers of The Outer Worlds  :yuck :yuck

No Sawyer no sale
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Bebpo on September 21, 2020, 01:55:06 PM
Who cares about exclusivity shit, since they own Bethesda and Obsidian that means we have a non zero chance of New Vegas 2 happening!

New Vegas from the developers of The Outer Worlds  :yuck :yuck

No Sawyer no sale

Did I miss something? I thought Sawyer is still there, just he's not on Unavowed or Grounded and is working on a 3rd project at the studio.

I also agree that at Obsidian the Sawyer games are the only ones that matter anymore. Outer Worlds was ok popcorn entertainment and I'm guessing Unavowed will be similar.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: thisismyusername on September 21, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
I mean this has now made their purchase of Obsidian pretty redundant.

Starfield and the next Elder Scrolls are years out and who knows if they will honestly make them actual exclusives. But this also probably means no main Fallout for years at this point.

You now have the id ips which is a big deal and developers like Tango. So that’s neat though Tango and Arkane’s next games are still coming to PS5.

I don’t know I’m just failing to see why I should care? Good for MS I guess. Guess I’ll have an Xbox to play Wolfenstien 3 if that happens.

Obsidian is at it's best cleaning up other RPG houses shit, see: KotOR2 (Bioware->Obsidian), New Vegas (Bethesada->Obsidian, who turned the Elderscrolls with Guns mod into an actual FALLOUT title</aside>)

It hasn't made them redundant in anything other than their new IPs, which generally are flops.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2020, 01:59:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EidE1n5XkAUoXKU?format=jpg&name=medium)

I look at this and I see a bingo card of studio closures  :existential

Has that smug asshole Jim Ryan responded to this yet? We need his insight on this.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: thisismyusername on September 21, 2020, 02:03:08 PM
- Bethesda.net wasn't a really popular storefront that could compete with Steam or EGS

(https://i.redd.it/ajq02wz89nlz.jpg)

>Origin/EA throwing in the towel
>Beth throwing in the towel

:rejoice

2K, Blizzard/Activision (on Epig), Uplay next?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 21, 2020, 02:03:30 PM
I guess if you like wrpg you need an xbox.

They buy CDProject Red then I start shooting.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Svejk on September 21, 2020, 02:05:57 PM
Quote
“We’ll take other consoles on a case-by-case basis,” Spencer told Bloomberg.
This tells me TESVI is coming to PS5 still.  As mentioned a few times before, why would they not want more money?  Especially on the install base PS will have by then.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Bebpo on September 21, 2020, 02:06:28 PM
I guess if you like wrpg you need an xbox.


Yup, though why you wouldn't have a gaming PC if you like wrpgs  ??? especially with gog and modding.
Lotta of indie stuff not on consoles or comes years later.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: demi on September 21, 2020, 02:23:19 PM

Life too short for chintzy $1 humble bundle indie games, Xbox giving the meat and potatoes
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: MMaRsu on September 21, 2020, 02:28:25 PM
Now Obsidian can get to work on that New Vegas 2
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: BisMarckie on September 21, 2020, 02:29:52 PM
Can’t wait to play the next TES in 2027 on my Xcloud Series One X  :hyper
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: brawndolicious on September 21, 2020, 02:38:35 PM
Rahx, games like Doom and ES actually sold about the same or better on xbox consoles than PS consoles:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-plans-to-honor-ps5-exclusivity-commitment-future-bethesda-titles-will-be-on-xbox-pc-and-other-consoles-on-a-case-by-case-basis.291500/page-13#post-46199762
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/YpUA3PH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9zTzex2.jpg)
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Obviously the best place to play these games is on PC with kb/mouse and mods but xbox is a good fit for these series so I can see fans just getting a non-PS hardware play them.

The only company participating in a console war is Sony.

I'm hoping that's what this means. Consolidation is definitely bad but there was a real fear a few years ago that Sony could become the only console left, so at least now there's always going to be competition in the industry. On one hand, I don't think it's ever been easier for a small independent to have a big hit. On the other, big game developers are probably going to be more and more risk averse.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: nudemacusers on September 21, 2020, 02:47:54 PM
Consolidation bad, marvel studios good tho  :brain
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: BisMarckie on September 21, 2020, 02:53:50 PM
And there is me, buying an Xbox Series X mainly to play upscaled 360 games. :ego
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 21, 2020, 02:56:11 PM
Quote
Rahx, games like Doom and ES actually sold about the same or better on xbox consoles than PS consoles:
Yeah I get that and in general think it makes sense for them to be xbox exclusive. It's not going to surprise me when Wolf 3 and Doom Whatever are Xbox Console exclusive. They are a nice boon to MS first party. But I also wouldn't be surprised since Elder Scrolls is so big if it also still came to PS5. I also think we are years out before things like SF and ES come out so it's going to be a while before we even see the impact.


But it's also hard to get out of my bias of not giving a shit about Bethesda and Xbox.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: paprikastaude on September 21, 2020, 03:09:29 PM
And there is me, buying an Xbox Series X mainly to play upscaled 360 games. :ego

Can you pop an old disc into a bone and play or do you just unlock the licence for the digital remaster? I prefer to keep consoles offline.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: BisMarckie on September 21, 2020, 03:11:57 PM
The disc triggers a download. The license is tied to the disc though. 99% sure you can play it offline after the initial download.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: BIONIC on September 21, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
And there is me, buying an Xbox Series X mainly to play upscaled 360 games. :ego

Can you pop an old disc into a bone and play or do you just unlock the licence for the digital remaster? I prefer to keep consoles offline.

 :hans1
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: brawndolicious on September 21, 2020, 03:31:46 PM
Quote
Rahx, games like Doom and ES actually sold about the same or better on xbox consoles than PS consoles:
Yeah I get that and in general think it makes sense for them to be xbox exclusive. It's not going to surprise me when Wolf 3 and Doom Whatever are Xbox Console exclusive. They are a nice boon to MS first party. But I also wouldn't be surprised since Elder Scrolls is so big if it also still came to PS5. I also think we are years out before things like SF and ES come out so it's going to be a while before we even see the impact.


But it's also hard to get out of my bias of not giving a shit about Bethesda and Xbox.

Bethesda RPGs are like wine. Terrible, janky aftertaste but a lot of depth to the experience. Personally, I don't like wine but I like janky WRPGs. I blame my genes.

ES6 probably is a couple years away but I wouldn't be surprised if we see Star Field in a year
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: paprikastaude on September 21, 2020, 03:32:13 PM
And there is me, buying an Xbox Series X mainly to play upscaled 360 games. :ego

Can you pop an old disc into a bone and play or do you just unlock the licence for the digital remaster? I prefer to keep consoles offline.

 :hans1
:nope Constant updates and visual clutter.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 21, 2020, 03:45:37 PM
Man I totally forgot EA is also bringing all its stuff to gamepass

Hot damn
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Let's Cyber on September 21, 2020, 04:29:13 PM
Is this the biggest industry news since Sega went 3rd party? I'm struggling to think of anything bigger.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 21, 2020, 05:25:28 PM
smart move for Zenimax Bethesda to sell the joint though

- Rage 2 lmao
- They could no longer coast on Skyrim
- They already ran the Wolfenstein reboot series into the ground with Young Blood
- Their current line-up (Death Loop / Ghostwhire Tokyo) had bomba written all over it and were timed PS5 exclusives to boot
- DOOM Eternal didn't chart for long
- Fallout 76 was a dud
- They didn't know when if ever Todd would finish the next Elder Scrolls and Starfield
- Bethesda.net wasn't a really popular storefront that could compete with Steam or EGS

-Let Saber Interactive kill Quake (and they blew $1million on a lmao-beta-game tournament  :lol)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Baiano19 on September 21, 2020, 05:56:28 PM
ONE GAME
I DON'T KNOW WHY
I BOUGHT A PS5 WITH NO GAMES TO BUY
KEEP THAT IN MIND THEY DESIGNED THIS DRIVE
TO IMPROVE LOADING TIMES
AND THAT'S ALL I KNOW
IN CONSOLE WARS, EXCLUSIVES ARE KEY
WATCH IT FLY BY AS IT PORTS TO PC
LOSE MY EXCLUSIVES AT THE END OF THE GEN
I HAVE NO GAMES TO PLAY
IT'S SO UNFAIR
DIDN'T LOOK OUT BELOW
THROW MY PS5 RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW
TRY TO HOLD ON BUT I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW
WASTED IT ALL JUST TO WATCH MOVIES
I SPENT ALL MY TIME INSIDE
OF MY OLD GAMES I'M TIRED, ALL I GOT IS PORTS
JUST LIKE THE PS3, IT'S REMINDING ME, OF A MEMORY, OF A TIME WHEN
I CRIED SO HARD, FOR LAUNCH TITLES
BUT IN THE END, IT'S JUST GOT, NO GAMES
I PAID SO MUCH, BOUGHT PS PLUS
BUT IN THE END, IT'S JUST GOT, NO GAMES
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Svejk on September 21, 2020, 06:33:17 PM
Is this the biggest industry news since Sega went 3rd party? I'm struggling to think of anything bigger.
Now if MS bought Sega, that would sting me right in the plums.   :tocry
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: nudemacusers on September 21, 2020, 06:43:08 PM
sega is safe. microsoft is, after all, trying to increase the value of their first party.  :doge
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: paprikastaude on September 21, 2020, 06:57:13 PM
Sega's already given away all their IP to random indies anyway. :doge

Also, can they kill bethesda.net or whatever it is called they increasingly wanted you to log into?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 21, 2020, 07:00:29 PM
I don’t want them too, but do think they could use a Japanese developer for some diversity.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2020, 07:07:56 PM
I don’t want them too, but do think they could use a Japanese developer for some diversity.

They've got one now: Tango Gameworks, Shinji Mikami's studio.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: BIONIC on September 21, 2020, 07:19:05 PM
I don’t want them too, but do think they could use a Japanese developer for some diversity.

They've got one now: Tango Gameworks, Shinji Mikami's studio.

:stahp
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 21, 2020, 07:22:48 PM
Well I meant like a good Japanese studio. I liked Evil Within 2 well enough, but on a whole they’ve been pretty disappointing. And 2 was pretty western looking anyway.

But this also puts a spotlight and why none of this is exciting. Bethesda was not hurting. This studios like Tango and Arkham really weren’t. They were still making games. Elder Scrolls were still coming. This does nothing other then give Xbox more games that already were going to exist. It’s boring. Buying someone like Grasshopper who really has floundered during the PS4 gen while their output during the PS3 gen was plentiful, would be amazing. It would tell me “now their projects are going to get support and funding, they are really going to be able to make some great things for the Xbox”. Like when MS bought Obsidian. The reaction was “oh shit now they don’t have to worry about being closed! They can focus on their projects.”

Like this purchase does absolutely nothing for me.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: paprikastaude on September 21, 2020, 07:26:51 PM
The only thing from Bethesda I'm interested in is whether Mikami can produce a great game again. I've literally bought only four Bethesda games in my life and of those just Doom 16 was great. But I'm not dumb enough to act like this isn't 'objectively' big news, as everybody loves that trash TES and Gamepass got another big boost in changing the industry.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: nudemacusers on September 21, 2020, 07:30:03 PM
endless TES  trash :rejoice
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: pilonv1 on September 21, 2020, 07:43:20 PM
New Vegas Old World Blues on game pass :rejoice

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjU9KVdU0AAjcFe?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Bebpo on September 21, 2020, 08:05:24 PM
New Vegas Old World Blues on game pass :rejoice

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjU9KVdU0AAjcFe?format=jpg)

I was curious about back catalog since I want Doom Eternal for free. And going by Obsidian, which MS bought and owns.

-Pillars 2 not on game pass (published by Obsidian & Paradox, but I think Obsidian has the rights)
-Tyranny not on game pass (but published by Paradox)
-Pillars 1 on game pass but DLC costs a lot for expansion

So it doesn't look like old games by publishers/developers bought are necessarily put on game pass, just games going forward. Though they could always add them, but doesn't look like that's a high priority.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2020, 10:36:15 PM
I don't want to engage in a future where corporate consolidation is this vicious. I have been saying for MONTHS now that publisher lockdowns like this are extremely bad for the industry REGARDLESS of who engages in them, and I don't want to be a part of it.

I also don't want to spend over a thousand dollars on multiple consoles just because of a bunch of buyouts that lock games off from one platform without providing any new value to the other.

It's just not a business I want to feed into financially or emotionally. I'm beaten down and exhausted and tired of this generation already and the consoles aren't even on shelves yet.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Don Rumata on September 21, 2020, 10:41:26 PM
Since we're playing FantasyFootball now, i wonder if MS would be in the market for BandaiNamco, or maybe they're not worth the expense.
As far as Japanese publishers/developers go, i think it'd be the best acquisition for them, a ton of massive IPs, good hold on both East and West, plenty of good developers. :thinking
Only other one is Capcom, but that's hard to even envision.

SquareEnix seems like a sinking ship to me, i don't see the value in getting them, tbh.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: thisismyusername on September 21, 2020, 10:45:52 PM
I don't think Scamdai-Namco are in a position where they need to be bought.

Square only has the Eidos side making hits (and those are flopping a bit because they wont' let teams do shit thanks for the Marvel license: Thanks for killing Dude Sex, Square. Assholes). Square themselves are a total shit-show that only has Kingdom Hearts saving them (unless Devil May Phoenix Down/FF16 is *gasp* good for once since the PS2 gen died). Enix has never been popular in the west.

Capcom is in the poor-house, but I don't think they'd necessarily give their ass to Microsoft. They seem pretty keen to be on many platforms, hits/flops be damned.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2020, 10:46:06 PM
Here is my two-cent take on Game Pass or tbh any game subscription for that matter, and from the perspective of game developers. I’m not a developer but hopefully we will be able to hear the reaction of developers on this subject in one way or another.

Disclaimer: I can understand that Game Pass makes a great value for consumers and this is a given, nobody is arguing about that. The point here is what about the reaction of game developers? Personally, if I were a game developer, I'd feel that any subscription model kinda cheapens the game I work on. We can't deny that we all see the joy by developers when they're about to reveal their games, or when they track the number of preorders, or when they announce the number of copies sold in the early few days etc. Mentally it may have a big effect, developers may start working on DLCs or expansions, or maybe start working on new IPs as a reaction, but with this model, all of that excitement is basically gone. I’m a web designer and I understand the effect of physiological state on any creative work

You might work on a game for 5 or so years only to see it thrown into a jar of tens (or hundreds?) of games, and you will never know if the people played your game did it only b/c they already subscribed to the service, or just randomly came across your game to try it out, or subscribed specifically to play it or whatever other scenario, the idea is you will never know. You will just go ahead and start working on the next project. You simply turn into a machine for better or for worse.

This is my take on basically subscription services in games or other mediums and I'm very curious to see if anyone has a similar feeling, and again this is from the perspective of people who MAKE the games not you who PLAY it?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2020, 10:53:54 PM
So now Game Pass fans are searching for a way to tell full price fans that Game Pass is superior.

It is so SAD.
People just enjoy the Fucking Games.

Besides this battle was started by MICROSOFT FANS the day that GIF (the people running to play Halo) was aired.

In reality Game Pass never never NEVER had a single chance to defeat FULL PRICE.

And $70 always be superior to $1.

Game Pass is business.
FULL PRICE IS ART.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Coax on September 22, 2020, 12:11:00 AM
Wonder if this will spell the end of Bethesda published games arriving on GOG after a period. At least InXile's games are still being released there post-acquisition but I wonder about AAA titles.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: remy on September 22, 2020, 12:27:35 AM
thought benji was having an aneursym before i realised it was resetera fanboy derangement posts  :lol
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: thisismyusername on September 22, 2020, 12:43:30 AM
Wonder if this will spell the end of Bethesda published games arriving on GOG after a period. At least InXile's games are still being released there post-acquisition but I wonder about AAA titles.

I don't see why it would.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: paprikastaude on September 22, 2020, 07:27:41 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EidxTqCVgAAkdGN?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: tiesto on September 22, 2020, 10:17:27 AM
I guess if you like wrpg you need an xbox.

They buy CDProject Red then I start shooting.

I just realized they now own 2/4 of the big western rpg studios. Bethesda and Obsidian. And Bioware is owned (and was gutted) by EA... so who's left? CDProjekt and...? The Shadowrun guys?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 22, 2020, 10:35:52 AM
inXile, the Wasteland 2 and 3 devs, are also Microsoft owned.

Maybe they could try and get Larian. (Divinity games.)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 22, 2020, 02:54:51 PM
Hairbrained [the Shadowrun devs] are owned by Paradox.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: demi on September 22, 2020, 04:20:47 PM
Microsoft CEO Nadella: ZeniMax/Bethesda acquisition is "all about future of software", will consider buying even more video game companies in future

Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 22, 2020, 04:22:20 PM
Microsoft CEO Nadella: ZeniMax/Bethesda acquisition is "all about future of software", will consider buying even more video game companies in future

(http://i.imgur.com/WgLmzaS.gif)

https://youtu.be/RwGHiicMNvA
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 22, 2020, 04:23:07 PM
They know game pass is the shit :rejoice
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 22, 2020, 05:10:36 PM
I'm half expecting FromSoftware to be acquired very soon at this rate.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 22, 2020, 05:16:26 PM
I mean I guess they could be but Kadokawa already acquired From last generation. So they aren’t an independent developer.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nuitangg on September 22, 2020, 05:17:43 PM
If Microsoft buys From. The meltdowns  :rejoice
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 22, 2020, 05:20:41 PM
We could get a preview just from memeing it into (Non)existence in this thread tbf
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 22, 2020, 05:30:03 PM
I'm thinking that once Microsoft starts buying stuff in Japan like SEGA we're off to the races.
Nintendo is sitting on a fuck ton of cash and they're not going to let Microsoft pick away at their partner developers.
These certainly are interesting times.

Microsoft
SEGA
SNK‎
+ whatever else they can gobble up of any value, maybe Atlus as they're close with SEGA

Sony
Square Enix  (or remains independent and starts a buying spree of their own, but I can't see SE pick MS over Sony no matter how much money they throw at them, Nintendo could also be a contender)
Capcom (Nintendo could be a contender but again, I think Capcom would prefer Sony if they can't stay independent)
From Software
The husk of Konami
+ a whole bunch of smaller devs

Nintendo
Namco Bandai (Nintendo simply can't do without their development muscle and last time Nintendo tried they basically settled on selling them Monolith Software)
Koei Tecmo (now integrated into the Zelda and Fire Emblem franchises)
Platinum Games
Level-5
+ a whole bunch of smaller devs like Grasshopper and Natsume if push came to shove


The fact is that Nintendo and Sony are much wealthier companies than most of these acquisition targets and if it was Microsoft, Nintendo or Sony, Japanese companies would more likely pick the latter two.
For Microsoft SEGA and SNK make sense as a purchase for the back catalog of games and would probably be fairly cheap compared to something like Bethesda.
In fact, Sammy might just sell the video game business to them for a load of cash and keep the Pachinko's.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 22, 2020, 05:32:14 PM
That’s a nightmare.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 22, 2020, 05:35:08 PM
The potential for 1 billion is definitely there. But I don't see people subbing for just xcloud. Mostly all subs will own an Xbox device. So if he was hoping that number would be held up by exclusively mobile users, I think he's dreaming.

I had near zero interest in either of the """next gen""" consoles, but ngl, booking into a £20 a month 'all in' sub for 2 years and getting the console 'free' is a pretty decent value proposition
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Let's Cyber on September 22, 2020, 05:36:38 PM
It wouldn't be worth anyone's time to buy Konami, right? You'd basically just be buying their IPs. Not sure what the remaining Koji Pro people who worked on Metal Gear Survive are doing but I can't imagine that team is very large.

It would be in everyone's best interest for Capcom to stay independent.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 22, 2020, 05:37:19 PM
That’s a nightmare.
I think it'll take years for the process to complete depending on market trends.
Like Microsoft could move on SEGA as soon as tomorrow and Nintendo would probably move quickly to buy Namco Bandai or take a big enough stake so it stays in their lane.
For Sony Capcom would be logical first step.

Sony more than anyone knows what Disney did with the movie market. So they've seen what the type of aggressive moves from Microsoft will end up like.
Nintendo just wants to secure their own turf as they've always done.

Square Enix is the wildcard here. They could start expanding themselves and become one of the big ones.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 22, 2020, 05:38:41 PM
It’s in everyone’s best interests if most of these things stay independent.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Let's Cyber on September 22, 2020, 05:39:09 PM
It's fucking crazy we're even having these discussions.  :lol

In the span of a day the entire 3rd party industry looks like a buffet. 
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 22, 2020, 05:45:04 PM
It wouldn't be worth anyone's time to buy Konami, right? You'd basically just be buying their IPs. Not sure what the remaining Koji Pro people who worked on Metal Gear Survive are doing but I can't imagine that team is very large.

It would be in everyone's best interest for Capcom to stay independent.
Arguably the same is true for Bethesda and I'm not sure the Capcom shareholders would resist if a company they've been friendly with for decades and that helped them build much of their success with Resident Evil and Monster Hunter would wave money at them.
Capcom would probably prefer to be part of PlayStation rather than Microsoft or Nintendo.

It wouldn't be worth anyone's time to buy Konami, right? You'd basically just be buying their IPs. Not sure what the remaining Koji Pro people who worked on Metal Gear Survive are doing but I can't imagine that team is very large.

It would be in everyone's best interest for Capcom to stay independent.

But what IP? What do you do with Contra or Castlevania that isn't just a remaster? They try to make a new Contra every 10 years or so and its terrible. They made all of those garbage Symphony rip offs on the 3ds that soured the ground for any future Castlevania releases.

As much as I love Silent Hill, there's no market for it.
Konami indeed has some IP's that have value but they also have other business ventures in Japan that Sony might keep running if they are profitable enough. As Sony runs many such side businesses anyway.
Microsoft would buy them for the back catalog an the IP's.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 22, 2020, 06:00:38 PM
It wouldn't be worth anyone's time to buy Konami, right? You'd basically just be buying their IPs. Not sure what the remaining Koji Pro people who worked on Metal Gear Survive are doing but I can't imagine that team is very large.

It would be in everyone's best interest for Capcom to stay independent.
Arguably the same is true for Bethesda and I'm not sure the Capcom shareholders would resist if a company they've been friendly with for decades and that helped them build much of their success with Resident Evil and Monster Hunter would wave money at them.
Capcom would probably prefer to be part of PlayStation rather than Microsoft or Nintendo.

I'm sure they'd prefer to be with whatever company offered them the most money.

And MH is very much a Nintendo game more than a Sony game.
I think that Nintendo would not be that interested in Street Fighter,
In fact I expect all their buys to be 'defensive' like Koei Tecmo and Namco Bandai rather than offensive.

They can afford to lose Monster Hunter, Resident Evil and Street Fighter (the latter two skip their machines anyway), but they probably don't want to lose the team that develops Smash Bros. and helps out with other titles.
Sony could also end up with Namco Bandai and Nintendo with just Koei Tecmo if it turns into a bidding war of sorts. After all for Sony regaining Tekken, Ace Combat and the likes as exclusives would be a big get.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 22, 2020, 06:02:00 PM
The potential for 1 billion is definitely there. But I don't see people subbing for just xcloud. Mostly all subs will own an Xbox device. So if he was hoping that number would be held up by exclusively mobile users, I think he's dreaming.

I had near zero interest in either of the """next gen""" consoles, but ngl, booking into a £20 a month 'all in' sub for 2 years and getting the console 'free' is a pretty decent value proposition
The "all access" thing is like $20 a month more than GamePass Ultimate.. you aren't getting a "free" console lol  Or are you talking about xCloud?


(https://i.imgur.com/I5foczv.png)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Fifstar on September 22, 2020, 06:28:46 PM
The potential for 1 billion is definitely there. But I don't see people subbing for just xcloud. Mostly all subs will own an Xbox device. So if he was hoping that number would be held up by exclusively mobile users, I think he's dreaming.

I had near zero interest in either of the """next gen""" consoles, but ngl, booking into a £20 a month 'all in' sub for 2 years and getting the console 'free' is a pretty decent value proposition
The "all access" thing is like $20 a month more than GamePass Ultimate.. you aren't getting a "free" console lol  Or are you talking about xCloud?


(https://i.imgur.com/I5foczv.png)

You safe like 40 pounds. Not that great considering you are locked into a plan for 2 years plus the gold with 1 quid conversion to ultimate is probably a better deal anyway. Far from you get the console for free anyway.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 22, 2020, 06:42:31 PM
Microsoft buying Sega, Persona 3 + 4 + 5 on game pass, Persona 6 exclusive to Xbox.

The salt
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/696d97a9f7904123b051920378968d99/tenor.gif?itemid=8104010)

Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 22, 2020, 06:57:58 PM
You safe like 40 pounds. Not that great considering you are locked into a plan for 2 years plus the gold with 1 quid conversion to ultimate is probably a better deal anyway. Far from you get the console for free anyway.

ymmv, people who do not have an xbox one and are not currently subscribed to gold or gamepass - which lets face it, is the majority this gen - are being offered the gamepass sub with its rolling rentals on Xbox and on PC (and potentially mobile), an XBL sub and its however many monthly freebies, and an EA play sub, AND a brand new console to play all of that on for a £20 a month sub, which like I said is a pretty strong value proposition.

Like Fifstar said it's a discount over 2 years of the Xbox + the "monthly price" for Gamepass Ultimate... but it's like a few months free of GamePass at best math wise, not a "free console."

Yes, thank you riotous, I understand how marketing works which is why I used apostrophes around the word free to signify air quotes, to illustrate that I do not actually consider it free although that is how it is being portrayed in its marketing, for the exact same reasons when you buy a new phone contract and get a 'free' phone you are actually ameliorating your purchase of that phone over the course of the contract, or how when you purchase a buy two get one 'free' deal at a supermarket you are actually buying three things at a 1/3 discount.

 ::)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 22, 2020, 06:59:08 PM
well, if you can't develop just buy someone who can
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: nudemacusers on September 22, 2020, 07:00:50 PM
well, if you can't develop just buy someone who can
isn't that basically what you do when you hire talent tho? :thinking
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 22, 2020, 07:03:57 PM
well, if you can't develop just buy someone who can
isn't that basically what you do when you hire talent tho? :thinking

:hmm
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Fifstar on September 23, 2020, 01:12:34 PM
You safe like 40 pounds. Not that great considering you are locked into a plan for 2 years plus the gold with 1 quid conversion to ultimate is probably a better deal anyway. Far from you get the console for free anyway.

ymmv, people who do not have an xbox one and are not currently subscribed to gold or gamepass - which lets face it, is the majority this gen - are being offered the gamepass sub with its rolling rentals on Xbox and on PC (and potentially mobile), an XBL sub and its however many monthly freebies, and an EA play sub, AND a brand new console to play all of that on for a £20 a month sub, which like I said is a pretty strong value proposition.

Like Fifstar said it's a discount over 2 years of the Xbox + the "monthly price" for Gamepass Ultimate... but it's like a few months free of GamePass at best math wise, not a "free console."

Yes, thank you riotous, I understand how marketing works which is why I used apostrophes around the word free to signify air quotes, to illustrate that I do not actually consider it free although that is how it is being portrayed in its marketing, for the exact same reasons when you buy a new phone contract and get a 'free' phone you are actually ameliorating your purchase of that phone over the course of the contract, or how when you purchase a buy two get one 'free' deal at a supermarket you are actually buying three things at a 1/3 discount.

 ::)

Series S plus Gamepass is indeed fantastic value, but irrespective of Xbox All Access. It gives you a discount of about 8% and you don't need to pay the system upfront, but it also locks you into a total spent of 500 quid.
If you do the gold plus ultimate conversion trick you can get a Series S with Gamepass Ultimate for 3 years for a total of 350 pounds. So longer and better gamepass for way less than All Access - with this deal you actually *do* get the system for free. This has nothing to do with being an existing customer of the Xbox ecosystem btw. You do have to jump through more hoops than with AA and this deal probably won't exist for much longer though.


Don't think the comparison to phone contracts really holds water either. Until a couple years ago you regularly could save 30-40% on the phone with a contract. A far cry from the amount you save with AA.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 23, 2020, 02:57:40 PM
ymmv, people who do not have an xbox one and are not currently subscribed to gold or gamepass - which lets face it, is the majority this gen - are being offered the gamepass sub with its rolling rentals on Xbox and on PC (and potentially mobile), an XBL sub and its however many monthly freebies, and an EA play sub, AND a brand new console to play all of that on for a £20 a month sub, which like I said is a pretty strong value proposition.

Series S plus Gamepass is indeed fantastic value, but irrespective of Xbox All Access. It gives you a discount of about 8% and you don't need to pay the system upfront, but it also locks you into a total spent of 500 quid.
If you do the gold plus ultimate conversion trick you can get a Series S with Gamepass Ultimate for 3 years for a total of 350 pounds. So longer and better gamepass for way less than All Access - with this deal you actually *do* get the system for free. This has nothing to do with being an existing customer of the Xbox ecosystem btw. You do have to jump through more hoops than with AA and this deal probably won't exist for much longer though.


Don't think the comparison to phone contracts really holds water either. Until a couple years ago you regularly could save 30-40% on the phone with a contract. A far cry from the amount you save with AA.

This obviously isn't targetting the delboys from HotUkDEals who are buying 3 years worth of Brazilian XBL then upgrading for a pound and then dropping the cash to buy an XbX outright. It's targetting people that just go into a 3 or O2 store, and the business model is exactly the same - right down to at the end of that 2 year contract you're eligible for a free upgrade to your handset console.

Which would just coincidentally be about the time frame for MS to release an Xbox X EX 1 X One (or whatever confusing naming scheme they've decided on continuing) mid gen refresh, dropping the current X series down to their baseline console and giving those out to current S purchasers.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 23, 2020, 03:26:35 PM
I'm not sure if mid gen refreshes are coming that soon.
I expect it'll be a while and they first want manufacturing costs down and yields up.
The yields on the PS5/XSX SoC's are pretty lousy from what I understand.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 23, 2020, 03:39:44 PM
Wow who is your source nintex
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Trent Dole on September 23, 2020, 04:58:05 PM
I'm not sure if mid gen refreshes are coming that soon.
I expect it'll be a while and they first want manufacturing costs down and yields up.
The yields on the PS5/XSX SoC's are pretty lousy from what I understand.
Oh so around 3-4 years into the gen, which would be a  ...mid gen refresh?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 23, 2020, 06:59:16 PM
Wow who is your source nintex
TSMC reportedly has yields as low as 58% on their 7nm process.

https://twitter.com/chiakokhua/status/1308216251177512960 (https://twitter.com/chiakokhua/status/1308216251177512960)

From what I gathered over the last few months yields on PS5, XSX and Big Navi are below average.
Chip makers expect a shortage of these things until Mid 2021.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: brawndolicious on September 23, 2020, 11:33:49 PM
Forget mid-gen refreshes, I'm skeptical that they'll even make a slim model of these consoles.

The node shrinks are taking longer and longer to achieve and you can't really make the consoles smaller or more powerful for a given price until that happens.

For reference:

It seems unlikely this gen of consoles will go on a diet or hit the gym.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Let's Cyber on September 24, 2020, 01:04:53 PM
But what IP?
Metal Gear, Castlevania, Silent Hill.
What do you do with Contra or Castlevania that isn't just a remaster?
Create new games.   
They made all of those garbage Symphony rip offs on the 3ds that soured the ground for any future Castlevania releases.
breh what? Did you not see the thirst for Bloodstained? A retro Castlevania could do super well but the series is begging to be modernized too. Castlevania is also still relatively high profile thanks to the Netflix series + inclusion in Smash.   

Streets of Rage was dead as a doornail as far a franchise goes. The new one sold over 1.5 million because it was good.

These old franchises carry weight and nostalgia with gamers, they will generate interest and hype if it's clear time and effort is put into the product.
As much as I love Silent Hill, there's no market for it.
I don't even know what this means.  :lol  It made a huge stink when Konami killed Silent Hills. Do you think there isn't a market for horror games anymore?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Svejk on September 24, 2020, 01:12:57 PM
These old franchises carry weight and nostalgia with gamers, they will generate interest and hype if it's clear time and effort is put into the product.
I want a sequel to Shattered Soldier so bad it's not even funny. :dsp
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: bork on September 24, 2020, 01:18:34 PM
These old franchises carry weight and nostalgia with gamers, they will generate interest and hype if it's clear time and effort is put into the product.
I want a sequel to Shattered Soldier so bad it's not even funny. :dsp

Didn't we get this already with Contra IV and Rebirth?  Plus there's Hard Corps Uprising.

And have you played Blazing Chrome yet?  PLAY BLAZING CHROME
:ufup
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Svejk on September 24, 2020, 01:35:45 PM
These old franchises carry weight and nostalgia with gamers, they will generate interest and hype if it's clear time and effort is put into the product.
I want a sequel to Shattered Soldier so bad it's not even funny. :dsp

Didn't we get this already with Contra IV and Rebirth?  Plus there's Hard Corps Uprising.

And have you played Blazing Chrome yet?  PLAY BLAZING CHROME
:ufup
Contra IV needs to be redone to not be plagued by the dreaded DS split screen.  Game was great otherwise... Haven't tried Rebirth yet, but have it downloaded somewhere...
Not sure why Hard Corps Uprising has been re-ported to everything and 4K-a-fied... (unless it has and I don't know about it)  Would like it on my PS, tbph.
And no, I haven't played Blazing Chrome yet.  Have it in my wishlist in both PSN and Steam, just haven't wanted to drop the skrilla for it.

I want Shattered Soldier follow up, because it stood out to me, not only of the style of 2.5D, but it had a dark, hardcore, death metal grindhouse vibe going for it. 
Playing it was like..
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/18f5c502b46bcfa128ca4b60aa44521d/tenor.gif) all the way.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: bork on September 24, 2020, 01:38:48 PM

And no, I haven't played Blazing Chrome yet.  Have it in my wishlist in both PSN and Steam, just haven't wanted to drop the skrilla for it.

 :notlikethis
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Beezy on September 24, 2020, 07:35:10 PM
Not sure why Hard Corps Uprising has been re-ported to everything and 4K-a-fied...
Now I wanna play this again.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: demi on September 24, 2020, 08:32:59 PM
You can, thanks to Xbox One BC! Wow!

Thanks Microsoft! #ad

Buy it today!

https://marketplace.xbox.com/en-us/Product/Hard-Corps-Uprising/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410a18

Sorry PlayStation, maybe next time
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: bork on September 24, 2020, 08:47:55 PM
You can always emulate it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=porD0Hy6XxU
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: demi on September 24, 2020, 09:20:34 PM
Which is an illegal thing to do, support good games!
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: thisismyusername on September 24, 2020, 11:32:16 PM
Why the fuck would anyone buy Konami? Do we really need ANOTHER Metal Gear game?

Yes.meme (Only if it's from Kojimbo)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Don Rumata on September 25, 2020, 02:14:26 AM
Why the fuck would anyone buy Konami? Do we really need ANOTHER Metal Gear game?

Yes.meme (Only if it's from Kojimbo)
Jesus let the man be free of that series.  :lol
(even though DS straddled really close to it several times)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Beezy on September 25, 2020, 05:24:14 AM
You can, thanks to Xbox One BC! Wow!

Thanks Microsoft! #ad

Buy it today!

https://marketplace.xbox.com/en-us/Product/Hard-Corps-Uprising/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410a18

Sorry PlayStation, maybe next time
Looks like there were dlc characters that I never bought. I think I'll get them and do a replay soon since it works on Xbox One. :gun
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Svejk on September 25, 2020, 08:13:31 AM
You can, thanks to Xbox One BC! Wow!

Thanks Microsoft! #ad

Buy it today!

https://marketplace.xbox.com/en-us/Product/Hard-Corps-Uprising/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410a18

Sorry PlayStation, maybe next time
I had it on PS3 digital form, if I just fire up my PS4 and... oh wait...  :fbm
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Svejk on September 25, 2020, 08:18:06 AM
Going back to Bethesda, I seriously don't see how they'll only release TESVI solely on BoneSEX/PC...  They should pull a Soyny and just do the year of exclusivity on there, but it would be throwing away an elephant ass load of money not porting it to PS5 (assuming this will have similar success and install base as PS4).  Seems to be too massive of a series to not do that.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2020, 08:30:32 AM
Going back to Bethesda, I seriously don't see how they'll only release TESVI solely on BoneSEX/PC...  They should pull a Soyny and just do the year of exclusivity on there, but it would be throwing away an elephant ass load of money not porting it to PS5 (assuming this will have similar success and install base as PS4).  Seems to be too massive of a series to not do that.
Nah, Starfield and Elder Scrolls will be big Xbox / GamePass / PC exclusives.
I can see them release the inevitable remasters and less popular shoot bang games like Wolfenstein on PS5 though.

To me it looks like Microsoft wants to corner the WRPG market with Starfield, Elder Scrolls, Fable, Avowed.
Not having to built anything for Sony's machines will probably save Bethesda a lot of time too.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: MMaRsu on September 25, 2020, 08:47:59 AM
Bethesda diehard fans will purchase an Xbox for TES6/Fallout

100% guaranteed
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Svejk on September 25, 2020, 09:10:20 AM
Bethesda diehard fans will purchase an Xbox for TES6/Fallout

100% guaranteed
I guess I'm not that diehard of a fan as I thought I was then.  :heh
By the time TESVI comes, streaming games should be much tighter.  I'll play it that way.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2020, 09:23:16 AM
Microsoft buying Sega, Persona 3 + 4 + 5 on game pass, Persona 6 exclusive to Xbox.

The salt
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/696d97a9f7904123b051920378968d99/tenor.gif?itemid=8104010)

Is this about games or console wars? It seems to me it's about console wars. Given your age it couldn't be more pathetic.

Have you ever played a Persona game? You say it's about laughing at Sony fans but in what way is Microsoft buying Sega good for games?

Celebrating companies buying companies is a byproduct consumer wars. No one in their right mind should celebrate monopolies.

Admit it, you're a Microsoft fanboy.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 25, 2020, 09:27:14 AM
Microsoft buying Sega, Persona 3 + 4 + 5 on game pass, Persona 6 exclusive to Xbox.

The salt
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/696d97a9f7904123b051920378968d99/tenor.gif?itemid=8104010)

Is this about games or console wars? It seems to me it's about console wars. Given your age it couldn't be more pathetic.

Have you ever played a Persona game?











































 :gaas



Quote
Celebrating companies buying companies is a byproduct consumer wars. No one in their right mind should celebrate monopolies.

Admit it, you're a Microsoft fanboy.

 :gaas

My avatar is Phil Spencer with a fucking Xbox bazooka, of course Im rooting for Xbox lmao. I love Nintendo too. And yes I've played Persona 3 for about 8 hours and Persona 4 for about 50.

Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: bork on September 25, 2020, 09:32:44 AM
Bethesda diehard fans will purchase an Xbox for TES6/Fallout

100% guaranteed

Wouldn't most Bethesda diehard fans be PC players?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2020, 09:35:42 AM
See? This boy out here cheering monopolies for "luls".

He a system whore in 2020. Pathetic.

Probably salty he stuck with MS this gen which no one in their right mind would do outside of loyalists. A few years ago said he'd probably never buy a PS4, now he's cheering MS buying up companies in an age where almost nothing is exclusive.

His excuse will be,"i'm laughing at reset sony ponies" but it's Reset. They're all re re's. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Nah, fanboyism is what drives this. Which drives the luls. Which is why he responds with a fart emoji, because he's out here cheering for Microsoft to buy Sega (in what way does this benefit Sega?).

(https://i.imgur.com/e8CN03v.gif)

You should be like the rest of us: be a mercenary. Go where the games go. If MS brings the goods, I will gladly get an Xbox.  Xbox 1 and Xbox 360 were good-great systems.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: bork on September 25, 2020, 09:36:00 AM
You say it's about laughing at Sony fans but in what way is Microsoft buying Sega good for games?

I could see one hypothetical scenario working here, which is that Microsoft, now owning Sega, brings back lots of dormant IPs.  Outrun, Afterburner, Golden Axe, JET SET RADIO, Virtua Fighter, etc. all back with new games being made.  They get a competent studio to take over development on Sonic.  A push is made to sell consoles in Japan with Yakuza and RPGs from Atlus.  We get a special "Mega Drive Xbox Series S/X."  That kind of thing.

And this reads like some kind of cheesy fanfiction and will never happen.
 :tocry
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 25, 2020, 09:43:17 AM
https://youtu.be/lCCwBYcPads

Wow, this is a very gassy post.

Also, owning 600+ games on Xbone and 50+ games on Switch, does that give me mercenary status?

Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2020, 09:46:55 AM
You say it's about laughing at Sony fans but in what way is Microsoft buying Sega good for games?

I could see one hypothetical scenario working here, which is that Microsoft, now owning Sega, brings back lots of dormant IPs.  Outrun, Afterburner, Golden Axe, JET SET RADIO, Virtua Fighter, etc. all back with new games being made.  They get a competent studio to take over development on Sonic.  A push is made to sell consoles in Japan with Yakuza and RPGs from Atlus.  We get a special "Mega Drive Xbox Series S/X."  That kind of thing.

And this reads like some kind of cheesy fanfiction and will never happen.
 :tocry

:dead This is wishful thinking.

In what way has MS buying any company resulted in better rewards for them? Look at what happened to Rare. World class at one point, then ended up making Kinect games. and you're out here expecting a new VF? A new JSR?

MS buying companies has been universally bad for them in the long run. Give me one example where it works out well.

And as a Sega fan, from 7 to now, I definitely want MS as far away from them as possible.

Microsoft has a looooong history of buying studios.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/06/11/e3-2018-heres-what-happened-to-every-studio-microsoft-has-bought

And you'd have to be extra stupid or a complete Microsoft stan to want them buy something like Sega. Guarantee: if MS buys Sega the blue company will be closed within 10 years.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2020, 09:48:09 AM
https://youtu.be/lCCwBYcPads

Wow, this is a very gassy post.

Also, owning 600+ games on Xbone and 50+ games on Switch, does that give me mercenary status?

(https://i.imgur.com/9ToDFhV.gif)

THAT MAN IS A CONSOLE FA.GGOT IN 2020 Y'ALL
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 25, 2020, 09:49:54 AM
You say it's about laughing at Sony fans but in what way is Microsoft buying Sega good for games?

I could see one hypothetical scenario working here, which is that Microsoft, now owning Sega, brings back lots of dormant IPs.  Outrun, Afterburner, Golden Axe, JET SET RADIO, Virtua Fighter, etc. all back with new games being made.  They get a competent studio to take over development on Sonic.  A push is made to sell consoles in Japan with Yakuza and RPGs from Atlus.  We get a special "Mega Drive Xbox Series S/X."  That kind of thing.

And this reads like some kind of cheesy fanfiction and will never happen.
 :tocry

:dead This is wishful thinking.

In what way has MS buying any company resulted in better rewards for them? Look at what happened to Rare. World class at one point, then ended up making Kinect games. and you're out here expecting a new VF? A new JSR?

MS buying companies has been universally bad for them in the long run. Give me one example where it works out well.

And as a Sega fan, from 7 to now, I definitely want MS as far away from them as possible.

Microsoft has a looooong history of buying studios.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/06/11/e3-2018-heres-what-happened-to-every-studio-microsoft-has-bought

And you'd have to be extra stupid or a complete Microsoft stan to want them buy something like Sega. Guarantee: if MS buys Sega the blue company will be closed within 10 years.

https://youtu.be/WI2IPeocbAA

They sound... pretty content and happy about it!
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: thisismyusername on September 25, 2020, 09:50:37 AM
Why the fuck would anyone buy Konami? Do we really need ANOTHER Metal Gear game?

Yes.meme (Only if it's from Kojimbo)
Jesus let the man be free of that series.  :lol
(even though DS straddled really close to it several times)

Who said I wanted him chained to it? I'm willing to let him do whatever he wants, but he should be able to oversee and continue the series if he wants.

Speaking of Konami and Metal Gear:

https://www.gog.com/game/metal_gear_solid
https://www.gog.com/game/metal_gear_solid_2_substance
https://www.gog.com/game/metal_gear

Not up on Steam yet, but it looks like the "rumor" *autistic screeching* poster was right.

(MGS3 and 4, plz)

You say it's about laughing at Sony fans but in what way is Microsoft buying Sega good for games?

I could see one hypothetical scenario working here, which is that Microsoft, now owning Sega, brings back lots of dormant IPs.  Outrun, Afterburner, Golden Axe, JET SET RADIO, Virtua Fighter, etc. all back with new games being made.  They get a competent studio to take over development on Sonic.  A push is made to sell consoles in Japan with Yakuza and RPGs from Atlus.  We get a special "Mega Drive Xbox Series S/X."  That kind of thing.

And this reads like some kind of cheesy fanfiction and will never happen.
 :tocry

:dead This is wishful thinking.

In what way has MS buying any company resulted in better rewards for them? Look at what happened to Rare. World class at one point, then ended up making Kinect games. and you're out here expecting a new VF? A new JSR?

MS buying companies has been universally bad for them in the long run. Give me one example where it works out well.

And as a Sega fan, from 7 to now, I definitely want MS as far away from them as possible.

Microsoft has a looooong history of buying studios.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/06/11/e3-2018-heres-what-happened-to-every-studio-microsoft-has-bought

And you'd have to be extra stupid or a complete Microsoft stan to want them buy something like Sega. Guarantee: if MS buys Sega the blue company will be closed within 10 years.

https://youtu.be/WI2IPeocbAA

They sound... pretty content and happy about it!

Being fair: Rare said the same shiny-happy-people bullshit before they turned into... that.

MS has a history of mismanaging companies. Ensemble Studios sends their regards and all that.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2020, 09:53:11 AM
Where is MG2: Solid Snake?

(https://i.imgur.com/T22bGNZ.gif)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: bork on September 25, 2020, 09:53:13 AM
If those are the original PC ports with no changes made, they're full of problems and not worth bothering with.

Is the original Metal Gear the NES ROM?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: demi on September 25, 2020, 09:53:32 AM
Speaking of Metal Gear, the collection is BC too. Definitely gonna be playing MGS2 and 3 (maybe peace walker? haha just kidding peace walker sucks dick) at 120fps 4K
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 25, 2020, 09:55:05 AM
Why the fuck would anyone buy Konami? Do we really need ANOTHER Metal Gear game?

Yes.meme (Only if it's from Kojimbo)
Jesus let the man be free of that series.  :lol
(even though DS straddled really close to it several times)

Who said I wanted him chained to it? I'm willing to let him do whatever he wants, but he should be able to oversee and continue the series if he wants.

Speaking of Konami and Metal Gear:

https://www.gog.com/game/metal_gear_solid
https://www.gog.com/game/metal_gear_solid_2_substance
https://www.gog.com/game/metal_gear

Not up on Steam yet, but it looks like the "rumor" *autistic screeching* poster was right.

(MGS3 and 4, plz)

You say it's about laughing at Sony fans but in what way is Microsoft buying Sega good for games?

I could see one hypothetical scenario working here, which is that Microsoft, now owning Sega, brings back lots of dormant IPs.  Outrun, Afterburner, Golden Axe, JET SET RADIO, Virtua Fighter, etc. all back with new games being made.  They get a competent studio to take over development on Sonic.  A push is made to sell consoles in Japan with Yakuza and RPGs from Atlus.  We get a special "Mega Drive Xbox Series S/X."  That kind of thing.

And this reads like some kind of cheesy fanfiction and will never happen.
 :tocry

:dead This is wishful thinking.

In what way has MS buying any company resulted in better rewards for them? Look at what happened to Rare. World class at one point, then ended up making Kinect games. and you're out here expecting a new VF? A new JSR?

MS buying companies has been universally bad for them in the long run. Give me one example where it works out well.

And as a Sega fan, from 7 to now, I definitely want MS as far away from them as possible.

Microsoft has a looooong history of buying studios.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/06/11/e3-2018-heres-what-happened-to-every-studio-microsoft-has-bought

And you'd have to be extra stupid or a complete Microsoft stan to want them buy something like Sega. Guarantee: if MS buys Sega the blue company will be closed within 10 years.

https://youtu.be/WI2IPeocbAA

They sound... pretty content and happy about it!

Being fair: Rare said the same shiny-happy-people bullshit before they turned into... that.

MS has a history of mismanaging companies. Ensemble Studios sends their regards and all that.

That's comparing Microsoft management from 2003-2015 to 2020 though. I'm not gonna say Microsoft has a great track record for studio managing in the past. But I'd say genuinely that they're putting effort into the industry, which hasn't been the case for a while.

Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: thisismyusername on September 25, 2020, 09:56:36 AM
That's comparing Microsoft management from 2003-2015 to 2020 though. I'm not gonna say Microsoft has a great track record for studio managing in the past. But I'd say genuinely that they're putting effort into the industry, which hasn't been the case for a while.

"Bethesda is happy with the acquisition!"
"Rare, et. al. companies said the same thing, dude."
"NO NOT LIKE THAT!"

:comeon

It's ok to be optimistic, but it's not ok to dismiss concerns given their history of managing the companies they buy.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: MMaRsu on September 25, 2020, 09:58:11 AM
Bethesda diehard fans will purchase an Xbox for TES6/Fallout

100% guaranteed

Wouldn't most Bethesda diehard fans be PC players?

No.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 25, 2020, 09:59:53 AM
That's comparing Microsoft management from 2003-2015 to 2020 though. I'm not gonna say Microsoft has a great track record for studio managing in the past. But I'd say genuinely that they're putting effort into the industry, which hasn't been the case for a while.

"Bethesda is happy with the acquisition!"
"Rare, et. al. companies said the same thing, dude."
"NO NOT LIKE THAT!"

:comeon

You didn't understand my point. Different CEO, different head of the Xbox division, different management from the top down.

The point of "Both studios said they were happy and look what happened...."

Management in general is going to influence the fate of a studio lmao

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It's ok to be optimistic, but it's not ok to dismiss concerns given their history of managing the companies they buy

The concerns are built off of Don Mattrick and the cocaine cowboys that turned Rare into a Kinect studio.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2020, 10:02:01 AM
Console wargames here but I would fully expect Sony to buy Atlus from Sega if MS were ever to buy them. Atlus has never made a game for Xbox besides that online MMO which was clearly an attempt to procure funding and little else. Meanwhile, they've putting games on Sony hardware as far  back as Persona 1 and Soul Hackers.

Of course, this would also probably be bad for the Atlus fan given Atlus' relationship with Nintendo. SMTV is on Switch and Persona 5 is coming as well. Megami Tensei were on Famicom all the way to the end of the Super Famicom. Never mind their DS and 3DS libraries. And given Microsoft history of treating jrpgs as if disposable?

(https://i.imgur.com/m5TxGnH.gif)

I'm very against console makers buying out other studios unless they already have a very close relationship (see: Nintendo buying Retro or Sony buying Naughty Dog).

Anything else is always bad for the consoomer.  Always.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: bork on September 25, 2020, 10:04:19 AM
Bethesda diehard fans will purchase an Xbox for TES6/Fallout

100% guaranteed

Wouldn't most Bethesda diehard fans be PC players?

No.

Imma go with Riotous on this one:

Morrowind certainly produced a lot of console die-hards.

But yes "most" are PC.. their games sell better there still.   They've even talked about the mix before, I am too lazy to google.. but IIRC it was PC > XBox > PS4 for Fallout 4.

When I think "diehard," I think of the people still creating and using mods for these games...on PC.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2020, 10:08:14 AM
MS buying companies has been universally bad for them in the long run. Give me one example where it works out well.

Bungie became mega rich from Microsoft... and was allowed to separate.  Lionhead was about to die as a company.. MS injected tons of money into them and they released a couple really successful Fable games.   They crashed and burned after Molyneux left and MS has some blame for that, but MS managed them well for almost a decade before that.  They would have been bought by someone else and we have no clue what would have happened because plenty of devs have sucked after big publishers buy them.

Allegedly Rare has basically done what their creatives actually wanted to do... that's what people on the ground have said, even about them making Kinect games.   Also who the fuck knows if Rare would ever have really made the leap into modern gaming?  Not every dev from that era did, at all.. many are the butt of many jokes today.

Xbox has gone through 2 big management changes so it's hard to paint some clear picture that makes them universally bad.   They also didn't exactly acquire that many studios before 2018.

Don't get me wrong 343i is kind of a joke.. they did eventually not make Lionhead employees happy, etc.. but supposedly they've learned from that.  Lionhead complaints were MS meddling too much with creatives.. literally every dev they've bought since 2018 is on record saying that MS is just throwing money at them and letting them create what they want.  Companies like Obsidian that were worried about every project they had to prototype not being bought, etc.

We'll see in 2-3 years if that actually pans out.. since.. most of them were bought 2 years ago and games take a long time, especially when you are growing studios and a pandemic hits.

None of this is convincing me MS, a company that has historically treated Japanese games as if disposable, won't treat Sega as if disposable.

None of those studios you listed are Japanese.

MS buying Sega would be bad for the Sega fan, good for MS slut that probably doesn't give two shits.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: thisismyusername on September 25, 2020, 10:08:50 AM
You didn't understand my point. Different CEO, different head of the Xbox division, different management from the top down.

No, I understood your point. That's why I was being flippant.

"NO NOT LIKE THAT"/"IT'S A DIFFERENT CEO THOUGH!" doesn't mean there's no history. MS is MS, like Google is Google: If the company doesn't make them money off the bat (which Beth will) they'll drop them/mismanage them.

It's the same shit with Scalebound or Phantom Dust or any other Japanese company they have worked/collaborated with: They don't understand the company culture or don't understand the art-style/gameplay and fuck it up.

Instead of "Rare/Ensamble/etc. sends their regards," do you want me to say "Phantom Dust (which I'm a die-hard of) sends it's regards," instead?

"We're doing a remake!"
*MS/Phil mandates so much shit that changes from the original gameplay style and look*
"NO NOT LIKE THAT! FANS WILL HATE IT! *Cancels it*"

Again: :comeon

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The concerns are built off of Don Mattrick and the cocaine cowboys that turned Rare into a Kinect studio.

The concerns are way before Don Mattrick, dude. You know how I know you haven't touched any "MS Games Studio" PC titles from the 1990's?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2020, 10:11:35 AM

It's the same shit with Scalebound or Phantom Dust or any other Japanese company they have worked/collaborated with: They don't understand the company culture or don't understand the art-style/gameplay and fuck it up.

That.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: thisismyusername on September 25, 2020, 10:12:30 AM
Atlus has never made a game for Xbox besides that online MMO which was clearly an attempt to procure funding and little else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Megami_Tensei:_Nine

(Not to mention P4U/2 and publishing third parties [which isn't Atlus itself and I guess P4U wouldn't necessarily be Atlus themselves either])
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2020, 10:13:33 AM
Atlus has never made a game for Xbox besides that online MMO which was clearly an attempt to procure funding and little else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Megami_Tensei:_Nine

(Not to mention P4U/2 and publishing third parties [which isn't Atlus itself and I guess P4U wouldn't necessarily be Atlus themselves either])

SMT 9 is the mmo I'm referring in that exact post.

This ain't an own.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: bork on September 25, 2020, 10:13:39 AM
Atlus has never made a game for Xbox besides that online MMO which was clearly an attempt to procure funding and little else. Meanwhile, they've putting games on Sony hardware as far  back as Persona 1 and Soul Hackers.

Atlus used to release games on everything, including the Virtual Boy- point being that they have supported most consoles going back to their original hardware releases, and that includes the Xbox, which got the exclusive release of Shin Megami Tensei: Nine.  They also published Touge R, but that was it, IIRC.  It makes sense that they didn't do anything else, since the Xbox was a major flop in Japan.  The MMORPG you're thinking of is Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine, which was a PC release.

They also released Catherine, Persona 4 Arena, and Persona 4 Ultimax for the Xbox 360, but like the Xbox, the 360 might as well not have existed over there.  I did always wonder why Atlus didn't at least release the other Persona games for the Microsoft consoles in North America and Europe, though.  Ditto for Nintendo consoles.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 25, 2020, 10:13:48 AM
You didn't understand my point. Different CEO, different head of the Xbox division, different management from the top down.

No, I understood your point. That's why I was being flippant.

"NO NOT LIKE THAT"/"IT'S A DIFFERENT CEO THOUGH!" doesn't mean there's no history. MS is MS, like Google is Google: If the company doesn't make them money off the bat (which Beth will) they'll drop them/mismanage them.

It's the same shit with Scalebound or Phantom Dust or any other Japanese company they have worked/collaborated with: They don't understand the company culture or don't understand the art-style/gameplay and fuck it up.

Instead of "Rare/Ensamble/etc. sends their regards," do you want me to say "Phantom Dust (which I'm a die-hard of) sends it's regards," instead?

"We're doing a remake!"
*MS/Phil mandates so much shit that changes from the original gameplay style and look*
"NO NOT LIKE THAT! FANS WILL HATE IT! *Cancels it*"

Again: :comeon

Quote
The concerns are built off of Don Mattrick and the cocaine cowboys that turned Rare into a Kinect studio.

The concerns are way before Don Mattrick, dude. You know how I know you haven't touched any "MS Games Studio" PC titles from the 1990's?

All this post tells me is you're a very old and jaded person that has trust issues, stemming from a broken heart with how Microsoft has disappointed you.  :doge

I guess I have hope and I'm excited about what may happen for Xbox. All it really comes down to. Fear mongering over videogames isn't something I like doing.

Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2020, 10:15:51 AM
Atlus has never made a game for Xbox besides that online MMO which was clearly an attempt to procure funding and little else. Meanwhile, they've putting games on Sony hardware as far  back as Persona 1 and Soul Hackers.

Atlus used to release games on everything, including the Virtual Boy- point being that they have supported most consoles going back to their original hardware releases, and that includes the Xbox, which got the exclusive release of Shin Megami Tensei: Nine.  They also published Touge R, but that was it, IIRC.  It makes sense that they didn't do anything else, since the Xbox was a major flop in Japan.  The MMORPG you're thinking of is Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine, which was a PC release.

They also released Catherine, Persona 4 Arena, and Persona 4 Ultimax for the Xbox 360, but like the Xbox, the 360 might as well not have existed over there.  I did always wonder why Atlus didn't at least release the other Persona games for the Microsoft consoles in North America and Europe, though.  Ditto for Nintendo consoles.

I forgot about those.

MS shutters every Japanese studio they work with.

You would have to be a fool for MS buying Sega and cheering it ain't a good look.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: thisismyusername on September 25, 2020, 10:16:06 AM
All this post tells me is you're a very old and jaded person that has trust issues, stemming from a broken heart with how Microsoft has disappointed you.  :doge

"IT'S WAS A DEBATE!!!!!!" defense, I see.

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I guess I have hope and I'm excited about what may happen for Xbox. All it really comes down to. Fear mongering over videogames isn't something I like doing.

Like I said: You can be optimistic, there is nothing wrong with that. But to dismiss legit concerns (and PC players have a HUGE bone to pick with MS buying PC studios and fucking them up, learn your history X-box boy) is dumb.

Cindy is right, you're doing console warring because your favorite company bought a big studio, which is fucking dumb. We'll see in a few years if Beth is still "hot" or if MS fucks them up like every other company they have bought.

Atlus has never made a game for Xbox besides that online MMO which was clearly an attempt to procure funding and little else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Megami_Tensei:_Nine

(Not to mention P4U/2 and publishing third parties [which isn't Atlus itself and I guess P4U wouldn't necessarily be Atlus themselves either])

SMT 9 is the mmo I'm referring in that exact post.

This ain't an own.

It wasn't an "own," it was pointing out that Atlus has published on X-box before.

(And I forgot about Catherine, which Bork pointed out)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 25, 2020, 10:18:05 AM
https://youtu.be/lCCwBYcPads

Wow, this is a very gassy post.

Also, owning 600+ games on Xbone and 50+ games on Switch, does that give me mercenary status?

(https://i.imgur.com/9ToDFhV.gif)

THAT MAN IS A CONSOLE FA.GGOT IN 2020 Y'ALL

Using that word even in this context is a bit fucked up.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: bork on September 25, 2020, 10:21:20 AM
BTW, Soul Hackers was a Sega Saturn game. 
 :birdman
They ported it to PS1 a few years after release when the Dreamcast had already been out.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 25, 2020, 10:22:52 AM
All this post tells me is you're a very old and jaded person that has trust issues, stemming from a broken heart with how Microsoft has disappointed you.  :doge

"IT'S WAS A DEBATE!!!!!!" defense, I see.

Quote
I guess I have hope and I'm excited about what may happen for Xbox. All it really comes down to. Fear mongering over videogames isn't something I like doing.

Like I said: You can be optimistic, there is nothing wrong with that. But to dismiss legit concerns (and PC players have a HUGE bone to pick with MS buying PC studios and fucking them up, learn your history X-box boy) is dumb.

Cindy is right, you're doing console warring because your favorite company bought a big studio, which is fucking dumb. We'll see in a few years if Beth is still "hot" or if MS fucks them up like every other company they have bought.

Atlus has never made a game for Xbox besides that online MMO which was clearly an attempt to procure funding and little else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Megami_Tensei:_Nine

(Not to mention P4U/2 and publishing third parties [which isn't Atlus itself and I guess P4U wouldn't necessarily be Atlus themselves either])

SMT 9 is the mmo I'm referring in that exact post.

This ain't an own.

It wasn't an "own," it was pointing out that Atlus has published on X-box before.

(And I forgot about Catherine, which Bork pointed out)

Listen, If we're getting into what's "fucking dumb" regarding videogame discussion on this board, using a hateful word because someone enjoys a plastic toy box more than other plastic toy boxes, that ranks at the tippy top of "fucking dumb".
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2020, 10:23:10 AM
BTW, Soul Hackers was a Sega Saturn game.  They ported it to PS1 a few years after release when the Dreamcast had already been out.
 :birdman

I'm well aware.

Saturn don't exist in the American gaming canon though. :heh
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2020, 10:24:27 AM
All this post tells me is you're a very old and jaded person that has trust issues, stemming from a broken heart with how Microsoft has disappointed you.  :doge

"IT'S WAS A DEBATE!!!!!!" defense, I see.

Quote
I guess I have hope and I'm excited about what may happen for Xbox. All it really comes down to. Fear mongering over videogames isn't something I like doing.

Like I said: You can be optimistic, there is nothing wrong with that. But to dismiss legit concerns (and PC players have a HUGE bone to pick with MS buying PC studios and fucking them up, learn your history X-box boy) is dumb.

Cindy is right, you're doing console warring because your favorite company bought a big studio, which is fucking dumb. We'll see in a few years if Beth is still "hot" or if MS fucks them up like every other company they have bought.

Atlus has never made a game for Xbox besides that online MMO which was clearly an attempt to procure funding and little else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Megami_Tensei:_Nine

(Not to mention P4U/2 and publishing third parties [which isn't Atlus itself and I guess P4U wouldn't necessarily be Atlus themselves either])

SMT 9 is the mmo I'm referring in that exact post.

This ain't an own.

It wasn't an "own," it was pointing out that Atlus has published on X-box before.

(And I forgot about Catherine, which Bork pointed out)

Listen, If we're getting into what's "fucking dumb" regarding videogame discussion on this board, using a hateful word because someone enjoys a plastic toy box more than other plastic toy boxes, that ranks at the tippy top of "fucking dumb".

He's falling back on "using a hateful word" but he replied with nothing but fart emojis to my original posts.

The crack in the mask has begun.

:rejoice
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: bork on September 25, 2020, 10:24:53 AM
Again, the whole SEGA thing is dumb lol

MS aren't buying them.. if they were we'd be actually hearing about it as they are basically a publicly traded company.

This whole thread is dumb though!
:heh
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2020, 10:28:18 AM
Again, the whole SEGA thing is dumb lol

MS aren't buying them.. if they were we'd be actually hearing about it as they are basically a publicly traded company.

I don't seriously think MS is going to buy Sega. The entire discussion hinges on me dunking on Mormapope's fanboyism for cheering the idea of a Sega buying by MS.

I know a console warrior when I see one and...

(https://i.imgur.com/ccciP9S.gif)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2020, 10:30:39 AM
Posting these two videos for my exit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETXQUkp-VOg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeHjN4oWVfk
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 25, 2020, 10:34:05 AM
Here's some sounds to soothe that mental breakdown from Xbox fucking your favorite Nippon company in the mouth

https://youtu.be/2j--NH5nbrk

Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: bork on September 25, 2020, 10:37:31 AM
If I could bet on it, I'd probably bet big on Xbox not existing at Microsoft in 10 years.

But in the mean time I have hope they shovel a ton of money at some talent, and I get some games for pennies  :win

I wonder if 10 years is long enough for consoles in general to be "dead" and replaced with streaming services?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: bork on September 25, 2020, 10:41:57 AM
I think it is the future of video games, but it's going to be a long time before it happens.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: MMaRsu on September 25, 2020, 10:52:58 AM
I dont get it, we already have a remake for MGS2 on PC and it works like a charm
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: bork on September 25, 2020, 10:56:01 AM
I dont get it, we already have a remake for MGS2 on PC and it works like a charm

It's re-release of the old, shitty port.  Also what do you mean by "remake?"
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 25, 2020, 10:57:35 AM
If I could bet on it, I'd probably bet big on Xbox not existing at Microsoft in 10 years.

Someone probably made this bet in 2003 and 2015.  :doge
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: BIONIC on September 25, 2020, 11:10:24 AM
Weirdos
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 25, 2020, 11:31:07 AM
If I could bet on it, I'd probably bet big on Xbox not existing at Microsoft in 10 years.

Someone probably made this bet in 2003 and 2015.  :doge

Sure.   And they would have been almost right according to reports of shareholders unhappy with Xbox at some points.. when gamers thought Xbox was most successful lol

Right now they are selling everyone on cloud gaming and spending huge cash.... their plans appear long term, but if it's not obviously paying off in 5 years I bet talks would start internally.

There's a powerpoint somewhere with a 5 year target for Gamepass and xCloud... and if it doesn't come close to being met, and it might not.. they will be in trouble with management.  That's just how that shit works.

I feel the biggest question or hurdle right now is the risk vs reward of developing and manufacturing hardware. If Microsoft makes enough revenue from Game Pass to sustain the studios they harbor, it'll be a decision to make if it's more cost effective to cut hardware out completely.

I see three outcomes

1. Xbox software and Hardware
2. Xbox software
3. Xbox is sold off.

1 is if everything works in tangent. 2 is dependent on how successful xCloud is, Game Pass on different consoles vs. hardware manufacturing and development costs. 3 is if no targets are met.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 25, 2020, 11:43:57 AM
I mean look at this shit:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/xbox-boss-video-games-undergoing-same-transformation-as-tv-music-212121940.html

From yesterday.

The only reason Satya cares is because he thinks game streaming is going to take over like movie/music streaming did... and I REALLLLY hope they understand and have discussed that it was market forces that caused movie/music industry to be FORCED into adopting streaming... and there is no obvious market force of users demanding game streaming or behavior (like piracy for music/movies was) forcing them to give users a "convenient / cheap option."

And there's also so many other differences.. from the tech involved and it's costs, to the user experience and how it's impossible to be "cached", etc.

It feels like tech companies trying to wish something into existence.  Apple is making a killing off of mobile gaming without having to even make a single game and they want to be able to do the same thing but consoles don't sell well enough... so they think streaming can reach as many people as cell phones do without them having to manufacture them...

Good luck.

Fair points. And personally, Im hesitant to believe streaming WILL be the big thing to replace conventional gaming soon. I feel as much as game streaming is being pushed though, it's going to be a combination of everything working together that makes Xbox sustainable. If one pillar gets fucked up, there will be a collapse.

The only thing that's certain is Nintendo will outlive everyone and everything.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: MMaRsu on September 25, 2020, 12:41:16 PM
I dont get it, we already have a remake for MGS2 on PC and it works like a charm

It's re-release of the old, shitty port.  Also what do you mean by "remake?"

i meamt the pc version you can play with a DS4. Not at home atm but I think its a mod
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2020, 04:12:35 PM
Xbox is Microsoft's play thing. As long as Microsoft does fine and they are doing very fine right now. Xbox will be safe.
But once Microsoft starts to get into trouble like they were around 2008/2009 you will see it directly impact the non-essential part of their business, which is Xbox.

Phil Spencer is the first head of Xbox who realized that it was never about the profit Xbox made or didn't, or if they became market leader or not or even if their games were any good. It was always about making Xbox essential to Microsoft's business and making it 'look good' and now that Nadella can go out there and tell everyone about the wonders of the cloud and that they just bought DOOM and Elder Scrolls he's very happy with Xbox and Phil will get a great bonus no matter how well Xbox Series S/X sell. Same with buying Minecraft, he just asked the boss: "Do you want to own the biggest thing in gaming right now?". He keeps dangling these shiny new things in front of his bosses so they forget about the things that aren't shiny anymore like 343i and Rare. Nadella however, to his credit realized that the half assed support Xbox got from his predecessors would never get it anywhere so he would either have to be 100% behind it or drop it.

Phil Spencer hasn't given Xbox as much as a boost as Peter Moore or even Don Mattrick did in terms of market share vs. the competition.
But he made it look better than they ever did in the eyes of his bosses and investors.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: MMaRsu on September 25, 2020, 04:35:02 PM
Phil Spencer hasn't given Xbox as much as a boost as Peter Moore or even Don Mattrick did in terms of market share vs. the competition.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/86/f3/b6/86f3b65249fbaca12e142281558c06ac.gif)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: EightBitNate on September 25, 2020, 05:45:54 PM
If I could bet on it, I'd probably bet big on Xbox not existing at Microsoft in 10 years.

But in the mean time I have hope they shovel a ton of money at some talent, and I get some games for pennies  :win

People have been saying this for years though. If the largest acquisition in video game history doesn’t prove they’re serious about it, then I don’t know what will.

Like, even a few years ago, someone trying to become “the Netflix of gaming” seemed laughable, but it seems like they’re legitimately on the right track for that now.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2020, 06:25:19 PM
Phil Spencer hasn't given Xbox as much as a boost as Peter Moore or even Don Mattrick did in terms of market share vs. the competition.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/86/f3/b6/86f3b65249fbaca12e142281558c06ac.gif)
Peter Moore: 2003 - 2007
HALO 2, Xbox Live launch, Gears, Forza and Xbox 360

Installed Xbox as a household name in gaming, ended GTA exclusivity went toe to toe with PlayStation and won

Don Mattrick: 2007 - 2014
Kinect, Xbox Live growth and Xbox One

According to Wikipedia, while Mattrick was head of Xbox:
Xbox 360 installed base grew from 10 million to more than 76 million worldwide
Xbox LIVE membership increased from 6 million to over 48 million

Made Xbox market leader for a good while

Phil Spencer: 2014 - now
Xbox One X, GamePass, Xbox Series S|X, xCloud

Marginally increased Xbox LIVE membership from 48 million to 64 million
Bought over 6 new studios couldn't produce a single launch game
Gears, Crackdown and HALO down the tubes, Xbox One (X) a distant second to PlayStation 4 (Pro)
Gave up on Microsoft Store exclusivity and surrendered to Steam

So far Phil Spencer hasn't achieved as much as his predecessors in terms of sales and market share or even quality video games.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: MMaRsu on September 25, 2020, 08:14:45 PM
That is a really dumb and narrowminded way of looking at things
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 25, 2020, 11:15:35 PM
Streaming became the future for music and then movies because you can get them instantly. With a modern connection you can get them with little to no buffering and good enough quality. It was great would I could download a song in a minute and now it's amazing that I don't have to "download" it all to even listen to it instantly. Movies and tv shows are also pretty much there and while sure a 4k disc sounds and looks better, most people don't even invest in the equipment to see that. The quality is good enough. And since I can stream, the storage dosen't even have to be that big.

Will games ever to that level? Will I be able to play Final Fantasy XX the day of release with the press of a button on a device with less than a Tb of storage, storage not even really meant to save the actual game on? Will the nations internet be strong and built up enough for that? Will data caps allow for this?

I don't see the answer being yes for a long time and so I don't know when streaming will be the way games are done as they are with music and movies.  Playing a modern big game would need to be as quick and easy as downloading the new Travis Scott album with my phone internet on the train to work/school. I'd also assume the way games are simply developed would also have to change.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 25, 2020, 11:29:59 PM
dumb shit

What a surprise. Your video game insights are as dumb as your political insights.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: EightBitNate on September 26, 2020, 03:02:53 AM
Streaming became the future for music and then movies because you can get them instantly. With a modern connection you can get them with little to no buffering and good enough quality. It was great would I could download a song in a minute and now it's amazing that I don't have to "download" it all to even listen to it instantly. Movies and tv shows are also pretty much there and while sure a 4k disc sounds and looks better, most people don't even invest in the equipment to see that. The quality is good enough. And since I can stream, the storage dosen't even have to be that big.

Will games ever to that level? Will I be able to play Final Fantasy XX the day of release with the press of a button on a device with less than a Tb of storage, storage not even really meant to save the actual game on? Will the nations internet be strong and built up enough for that? Will data caps allow for this?

I don't see the answer being yes for a long time and so I don't know when streaming will be the way games are done as they are with music and movies.  Playing a modern big game would need to be as quick and easy as downloading the new Travis Scott album with my phone internet on the train to work/school. I'd also assume the way games are simply developed would also have to change.

Even if the answer isn’t streaming, memory prices have nowhere to go but down and memory sizes have nowhere to go but up. This is how basically every modern technology in existence works. Same goes for internet speed.

Do you seriously not remember using the internet in the 90s, where a 30 second video took literal minutes to load?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 26, 2020, 03:33:47 AM

I obviously remember using the internet in the 90s, hence that's why I mentioned music downloading. That's my entire point, watching a high quality movie is pretty instant now with no buffering. Which is why streaming is fine for most people and it dosen't even have much to do with storage. In fact while even storage prices have gone down, it's almost irrelevant. People don't download movies to keep or even music now, that's why Apple can get by only giving you 32 gibs of storage. And memory prices are still going to be pretty high at least this gen if the price of an extra tb for the Xbox is anything to go by.

My question is when will games become as steamtable as an mp3?

And internet speed tech may advance, but theres a whole load of issues beyond simply advancing that keep it from going places. I live in a pretty big metropolitan area and fiber has never come here. Data caps are kind of shitty and far more impactful to the medium that needs you do download 100gigs for one game. And I sure don't see them going away as they are almost last line of defense for companies like Comcast. Don't want our tv package? Well pay more for the internet you'll get more use out of.

I don't see streaming for video games really breaking through like people will want to until it's as easy and thoughtless as streaming music through Spotify. I don't even think about whatever my internet speed is when listening to Spotify. I don't worry about storage, because I just need a small little app. Quality wise it sounds as good as a cd would if not better. Streaming music is the most painless thing to do. Will video games ever get to that level?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 26, 2020, 05:10:24 AM
Look up all the data and numbers.
You can see for yourselves.

Avg. Metacritic scores for Xbox Game Studios? -> lower
Xbox One (X) sales vs. 360 sales in the latter half of the gen? -> lower
Xbox Live growth -> slower

GamePass was a hit but that was mostly Xbox LIVE members also signing up for GamePass.

Arguably Spencer isn't going for the quick win but the marathon or whatever but if that xCloud and Series S|X doesn't work out he's a bigger failure than Mattrick.
His biggest successes were shit he simply bought like Minecraft or that other parts of Microsoft decided to cooperate on like the Surface team for the hardware design.
They can't even get a Forza out the door for launch and that big Fable thing has been rebooted.

Everyone is falling for the tricks of this tiny con man  :rejoice

Games won't be streamable like mp3's for a while. No one wants to listen to a song that gets interrupted every few seconds or runs at half speed either.
Which is essentially what streaming video games is, slow, laggy and unstable. Which is ok for certain type of games and older less demanding games
but just doesn't hold up for competitive multiplayer and high-fidelity single player titles.

And then we're not even talking about ISP's throtlling internet speeds and bandwith caps and such bullshit.

I await patiently for someone to tell me I'm wrong by naming (new) products Phil Spencer spearheaded that weren't cheap PR stunts, duds or simply bought and continued as is.
With Phil Spencer every year is the biggest year in the history of Xbox  :lol
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 26, 2020, 10:25:53 AM
*reminder that Nintex said Microsoft was exploiting physically handicapped people because the adaptive controller Microsoft sold was $200 (which based on quick research, is a drop in the bucket compared to other controller options or solutions for people with a physical disability)
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 26, 2020, 01:48:29 PM
*reminder that Nintex said Microsoft was exploiting physically handicapped people because the adaptive controller Microsoft sold was $200 (which based on quick research, is a drop in the bucket compared to other controller options or solutions for people with a physical disability)
I've said worse things tbh :smug but that doesn't change the fact that Xbox One was in a distant second and if you count Switch and PC(Steam) actually a distant 4th position this generation.

Phil Spencer might fool Geoff and Nadella but he can't fool Nintex.
Xbox Velocity Architecture is another such example of this mans unsanctioned buffoonery because they already had Velocity Girl.
Plus I love my Xbox One X but it isn't a 'real' 4k console and that's not me saying it but those frauds in Redmond.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: kingv on September 26, 2020, 05:34:22 PM
Imo, rare ruined themselves well before Microsoft bought them.

When was the last good Rare game before they became MS-owned? N64?

Star fox adventures was bad. Conley was “ok” as was banjo tooie. Dkc64 was bad.

Last undeniably good game they made prior to being me owned was maybe Perfect dark? In 1999
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: brawndolicious on September 26, 2020, 08:03:35 PM
Look up all the data and numbers.
You can see for yourselves.

Avg. Metacritic scores for Xbox Game Studios? -> lower
Xbox One (X) sales vs. 360 sales in the latter half of the gen? -> lower
Xbox Live growth -> slower

GamePass was a hit but that was mostly Xbox LIVE members also signing up for GamePass.

Arguably Spencer isn't going for the quick win but the marathon or whatever but if that xCloud and Series S|X doesn't work out he's a bigger failure than Mattrick.
His biggest successes were shit he simply bought like Minecraft or that other parts of Microsoft decided to cooperate on like the Surface team for the hardware design.
They can't even get a Forza out the door for launch and that big Fable thing has been rebooted.

Everyone is falling for the tricks of this tiny con man  :rejoice

Games won't be streamable like mp3's for a while. No one wants to listen to a song that gets interrupted every few seconds or runs at half speed either.
Which is essentially what streaming video games is, slow, laggy and unstable. Which is ok for certain type of games and older less demanding games
but just doesn't hold up for competitive multiplayer and high-fidelity single player titles.

And then we're not even talking about ISP's throtlling internet speeds and bandwith caps and such bullshit.

I await patiently for someone to tell me I'm wrong by naming (new) products Phil Spencer spearheaded that weren't cheap PR stunts, duds or simply bought and continued as is.
With Phil Spencer every year is the biggest year in the history of Xbox  :lol

But like all the hardware that came out under Spencer has been more efficient (size and noise) and competitive in price/performance than what Sony brought out during the same time. Also the huge expansion of in-house development which of course takes a few years to bear fruit. But at the same time, certain software shit like Game Pass and Xcloud have created a completely new, and seemingly viable, niche that no one else was really trying to fill.

And yeah, xcloud is actually not that bad from what I've played of it. I had no problem playing full levels of 60fps shooters like Halo and those are games that are just run completely through the cloud. Will only get better as game engines incorporate some of id Software's streaming tech that handles post-processing locally and should reduce latency further.

A lot of what made Xbox succeed years ago could be chalked up to Sony just doing everything terribly or getting massively lucky with a launch game like Halo completely disrupting the industry. Obviously, you're more interested in judging based on how the market share shifts so we can wait a year or two to see but you have to admit, a lot of good ideas have been tried and succeeded in the last few years.

BTW, I don't think that has much to do with whoever is in charge of xbox at the time. It really feels like there were multiple rounds of systemic changes at different times both at Sony and MS. When one stops focusing on Cell, the other goes hog wild on DVR functionality right before all the millennials cut their cable subscription. Right now, it seems they're both laser focused on games distribution where Sony is taking a more conservative approach and MS is betting the farm on something new.

Both companies have thousands of creatives/technicals doing real work as well as business wanks memeing on twatter, so it's a real team effort.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 27, 2020, 08:23:09 AM
But like all the hardware that came out under Spencer has been more efficient (size and noise) and competitive in price/performance than what Sony brought out during the same time.

:confused

they're both just slapping their logo on the best GPU they could afford to meet an arbitrary price point and whatever mobile CPU AMD had knocking around their unsold items warehouses thrown in free
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: mormapope on September 27, 2020, 09:22:25 AM
But like all the hardware that came out under Spencer has been more efficient (size and noise) and competitive in price/performance than what Sony brought out during the same time.

:confused

they're both just slapping their logo on the best GPU they could afford to meet an arbitrary price point and whatever mobile CPU AMD had knocking around their unsold items warehouses thrown in free

Have you heard an Xbone X or PS4 Pro running? Xbox's are pretty close to silent and issues of overheating are non existent for Xbone X. PS4 Pros are notoriously loud and people have had to reapply thermal paste on the CPU.  :lol

Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Nintex on September 27, 2020, 01:26:27 PM
But like all the hardware that came out under Spencer has been more efficient (size and noise) and competitive in price/performance than what Sony brought out during the same time.

:confused

they're both just slapping their logo on the best GPU they could afford to meet an arbitrary price point and whatever mobile CPU AMD had knocking around their unsold items warehouses thrown in free
The surface team actually did a nice job on the hardware but again that has little to do with team Xbox as Microsoft just didn't want to risk burning the place down by having team xbox tinker with hardware ever again  :teehee

And yes, Xbox and PlayStation were basically subsidizing AMD for a while until they got the ZEN 2 sorted.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Svejk on September 28, 2020, 08:34:29 AM
Some supposed leaked shots of Starfield....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei3_KZcWsAAOZXl?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei3_K1bXsAAdzJs?format=jpg&name=large)

If legit....  eh.  What more could they do that hasn't been done yet in ME, NMS, EVE or Outer Worlds, etc?  Keeping expectations low so there won't be disappointment.
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Don Rumata on September 28, 2020, 08:54:16 AM
Some supposed leaked shots of Starfield....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei3_KZcWsAAOZXl?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei3_K1bXsAAdzJs?format=jpg&name=large)

If legit....  eh.  What more could they do that hasn't been done yet in ME, NMS, EVE or Outer Worlds, etc?  Keeping expectations low so there won't be disappointment.
Plenty?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 28, 2020, 11:01:37 AM
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Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: MMaRsu on September 29, 2020, 12:16:15 PM
Lmao Starfield and Bethesda.. lmao still using their Morrowind engine.. no thx
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 29, 2020, 12:24:04 PM
lol I'll just dl it on game pass :trumps
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2020, 12:55:17 PM
Some supposed leaked shots of Starfield....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei3_KZcWsAAOZXl?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei3_K1bXsAAdzJs?format=jpg&name=large)

If legit....  eh.  What more could they do that hasn't been done yet in ME, NMS, EVE or Outer Worlds, etc?  Keeping expectations low so there won't be disappointment.
Plenty?
What more could they do that hasn't been planned to be done in Star Citizen though?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: tiesto on September 29, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
Some supposed leaked shots of Starfield....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei3_KZcWsAAOZXl?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ei3_K1bXsAAdzJs?format=jpg&name=large)

If legit....  eh.  What more could they do that hasn't been done yet in ME, NMS, EVE or Outer Worlds, etc?  Keeping expectations low so there won't be disappointment.
Plenty?
What more could they do that hasn't been planned to be done in Star Citizen though?

Actually come out?
Title: Re: Microsoft Bought Bethesda
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 29, 2020, 01:59:17 PM
Ill download it for free and pretend to like it online just to see ps famboys froth