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General => Dysfunctional Hall of Fame => Topic started by: MMaRsu on October 13, 2020, 12:47:26 PM

Title: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: MMaRsu on October 13, 2020, 12:47:26 PM: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1316011746973286400

??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Radical left? Who the f is he talking about

Is this like holocoast deniers talking about how Hitler was actually a really good man and did a lot of good things for Germany?
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 13, 2020, 12:55:47 PM: Hard to discover a place where my ancestors were already living.
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Post by: Himu on October 13, 2020, 12:57:42 PM: the radical left

this was in the sopranos. this has been a discussion for generations lmao
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2020, 12:58:15 PM: You watch the streets, I'll watch the Christopher Columbus legacy.
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Post by: shosta on October 13, 2020, 01:00:13 PM: Columbus being a genocidal maniac wasn't widely recognized here until recently (or at best was apologized for as "complex") and is a major part of the culture war right now. Fox commentators were having a field day yesterday.
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Post by: bork on October 13, 2020, 01:13:16 PM: I like that he capitalized "The Radical Left."
:birdman
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Post by: shosta on October 13, 2020, 01:19:07 PM: It's never been as common as it is now among liberals. States weren't replacing Columbus Day with Indigenous People's Day before.

https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/61990/columbus.html
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2020, 01:21:39 PM: Quote from: Stro on October 13, 2020, 01:17:32 PM
and previously there was strong opposition to it from the KKK and similar groups because of its association with....Catholicism.

How it started vs how it's going.

https://twitter.com/harddrivemag/status/1300780535770476544
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2020, 01:44:40 PM: Hey, Columbus, why don't you discover DEEZ NUTS
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Post by: MMaRsu on October 13, 2020, 01:51:36 PM: Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2020, 01:44:40 PM
Hey, Columbus, why don't you discover DEEZ NUTS

I would make a cool meme out of this but I dont really know how to use Photoshop that good

(https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/OljQtO-0QbHLqnMqI0yDQYS9RTw=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/Christopher-Columbus-631.jpg)
"Hey Columbus, did you discover those two big motherfuckers we told you about?

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/10/10/USAT/32d139e6-b27b-4e77-a884-e54f4318a4b3-Christopher_Columbus.JPG?crop=3462,1947,x0,y570&width=3200&height=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
"Which two big motherfuckers?"

(https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/OljQtO-0QbHLqnMqI0yDQYS9RTw=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/Christopher-Columbus-631.jpg)
"DEEEEZ NUUUUUUTS"
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 13, 2020, 02:55:39 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9O94UTDAJQ
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Post by: bork on October 13, 2020, 02:58:38 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBzoBgfm55w
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: james on October 13, 2020, 03:01:20 PM: Quote from: shosta on October 13, 2020, 01:19:07 PM
It's never been as common as it is now among liberals. States weren't replacing Columbus Day with Indigenous People's Day before.

https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/61990/columbus.html

Indigenous People's Day is older than you, you absolute twat.

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It also stems back to a decision by Gov. George Mickelson in the late 1980s to seek "reconciliation" between Natives and whites after historically bad relations. Mickelson asked the Legislature to declare 1990 a "Year of Reconciliation" and to rename Columbus Day as Native Americans' Day. The measure passed unanimously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Peoples'_Day#Observing_locations

Famously liberal South Dakota.
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Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2020, 03:04:10 PM: Columbus :like
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Post by: Trent Dole on October 13, 2020, 04:55:33 PM: Columbus was despised in his own day let alone now. Do you think people gave the dude a boat in the hopes he'd sail off the edge of the world cause they liked him?
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Post by: MMaRsu on October 13, 2020, 05:16:37 PM: Quote from: Piss Benoit on October 13, 2020, 02:55:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9O94UTDAJQ

Oh come.on
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Post by: shosta on October 13, 2020, 05:45:04 PM: Quote from: james on October 13, 2020, 03:01:20 PM
Indigenous People's Day is older than you, you absolute twat.
https://whdh.com/news/these-states-are-ditching-columbus-day-to-observe-indigenous-peoples-day-instead/

I know it's old but we absolutely hit an inflection point only just recently (2017, 2018).
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Post by: EchoRin on October 13, 2020, 05:49:57 PM: True true Shosta. Never heard about Indigenous Day back in grade school. Not that I even have an issue with replacing Columbus Day with it. I never even heard a peep about it until I was an adult.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 13, 2020, 07:15:07 PM: Quote from: MMaRsu on October 13, 2020, 12:47:26 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1316011746973286400

??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Radical left? Who the f is he talking about

Is this like holocoast deniers talking about how Hitler was actually a really good man and did a lot of good things for Germany?
No it’s an appeal to his white base that feels that their American culture is under attack by minorities. It’s a shut up minorities whistle. Because now a counter point is that the left hates America and bring in communism. Which is idiotic. But what I find funny is that Trump has badmouthed America and mocked our military and institutions the entire time, but sure he’s saving America. When a black athlete critiques America he’s a son of a bitch, but when the white president does it he’s a hero.

These people can’t handle that human society is constantly changing.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2020, 08:16:36 PM: https://twitter.com/Phineas/status/1315643262938550272
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 14, 2020, 01:43:11 AM: I've been thinking a lot about Columbus and this whole issue.

Should Columbus day be a federal holiday? Probably not.

Should all Columbus statues be toppled? I'm not sure.

Should we erect statues of men? Definitely not.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 14, 2020, 01:51:41 AM: My personal feeling is that getting upset about a statue of a guy that did something 500 years ago is a bit mad. Like who cares if the Germans/Russians have some statues of dudes we beefed with back in the back. Of course I would feel different if those statues were actually in MY country. That makes things different here.

That said I'm def not down celebrating one of those assholes battles or genocides.

Big takeaway is not to put up statues of humans, cause we are all trash.
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Post by: shosta on October 14, 2020, 02:08:17 AM: Would you leave up a statue of hitler
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 14, 2020, 02:38:07 AM: If you use this kind of logic in an actual conversation no wonder right wingers are having a field day with dumb lefties.

Comparing Columbus to Hitler makes sense if you never went to University/School and get your history knowledge from Facebook and Twitter.

You could at least pretend to try to view the issue from all sides, maybe then you could create some common ground instead of spewing BS.
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Post by: BIONIC on October 14, 2020, 02:43:47 AM: Quote
Should we erect men? Definitely!

:drool
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 14, 2020, 03:20:12 AM: I don't have a problem with statues. I don't like the weird reverence the right has for them in a "it's my culture" way which to me reads like a refusal to acknowledge the problems and shut the fuck up liberals. It never even comes off beyond that, I can understand that you think it's history and you take the good with the bad, but often it just seems like people upset that liberals find yet other thing "problematic". And while yeah the left can be annoying, I see looking at the past and trying to acknowledge it as a good and progressive thing. We need to learn from what was bad so that we don't make the same mistakes. I think like everything there is a balance.

Like the President's tweet is just complete garbage. It is now 2020 and the world has changed and reflected on the past so much. We are moving away from the type of culture that saw Columbus as some great man, because we have a greater understanding of history and the nuances of it. Also as a society we are trying to figure out our race relations and all this means that perceptions on things are going to change. I see this as a good thing. I see Tweets like that as a real "NO I REFUSE TO ACKNOLEDGE THIS BECAUSE I WANT THINGS TO STAY THE SAME LIKE THEY WERE WHEN I HAD UNQUESTIONABLE POWER". It's like saying that Jesus was clearly white when thats fucking stupid. Our society is changing from one that only has the white narrative or the man at the top. It's becoming diverse. This does not have to be an awful change. And to me that is America. I have seen America as the melting pot of the world and one of many diverse viewpoints.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 14, 2020, 03:30:50 AM: I don't agree we have a greater understanding of history at all, just that our views have changed of what is great.

The problem with the right and left right now is mostly that on both sides you have people frothing at the mouth and not talking about things normally.

On the right you have tinfoil hats and Drumf thinking discussing things is THE END OF MAH CULTURE. On the left you have people like Shosta who say Columbus is literally Hitler. Of course no normal solution will be found between these two dumb extremes.

What both left and right need to accept that things change and will change and really normally talk to each other and try to understand each other honestly.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 14, 2020, 03:34:30 AM: Quote from: Rahxephon91 on October 14, 2020, 03:20:12 AM
I don't have a problem with statues. I don't like the weird reverence the right has for them in a "it's my culture" way

If your culture identity is so fragile you need a statue of a dude that lived 500 years ago you have deeper issues.

Also if your culture identity is so fragile all that matters for you is tearing down a statue of a dude that lived 500 years ago you have deeper issues.
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Post by: MMaRsu on October 14, 2020, 03:48:47 AM: Quote from: Cerveza mas fina on October 14, 2020, 03:30:50 AM
I don't agree we have a greater understanding of history at all, just that our views have changed of what is great.

The problem with the right and left right now is mostly that on both sides you have people frothing at the mouth and not talking about things normally.

On the right you have tinfoil hats and Drumf thinking discussing things is THE END OF MAH CULTURE. On the left you have people like Shosta who say Columbus is literally Hitler. Of course no normal solution will be found between these two dumb extremes.

What both left and right need to accept that things change and will change and really normally talk to each other and try to understand each other honestly.

Its been a shouting match for years, but most conversations really devolve into dumb shit these days

Then again dont take shosta's comparison with Hitler seriously maybe
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 14, 2020, 03:56:03 AM: In the discord shosta says his hitler comparison was being kind to Columbus :doge
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Post by: MMaRsu on October 14, 2020, 04:00:20 AM: Discord isnt Bore canon soo
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 14, 2020, 04:06:16 AM: That’s what someone not a part of it would say :girlaff
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Post by: BIONIC on October 14, 2020, 04:16:30 AM: Quote from: Piss Benoit on October 14, 2020, 04:06:16 AM
That’s what someone not a part of it would say :girlaff

::)
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 14, 2020, 04:32:12 AM: Quote from: Piss Benoit on October 14, 2020, 03:56:03 AM
In the discord shosta says his hitler comparison was being kind to Columbus :doge

:lol

Shosta competing with Trump in the Hyperbolelympics I see.

Quote from: MMaRsu on October 14, 2020, 04:00:20 AM
Discord isnt Bore canon soo

Ever since you can get banned on the Bore for insulting mods on Discord I think it is

maybe it will get retconned though
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Post by: bork on October 14, 2020, 07:58:49 AM: Quote from: Cerveza mas fina on October 14, 2020, 04:32:12 AM
Ever since you can get banned on the Bore for insulting mods on Discord I think it is

Ah, but that started here. Know your bore lore. :wag
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 14, 2020, 09:50:41 AM: Haha bork remember when you banned me because I rightfully said mass protests during a global pandemic were dumb if your demographic was already hurt hard?

Still waiting for an apology.
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Post by: bork on October 14, 2020, 11:23:36 AM: Quote from: Cerveza mas fina on October 14, 2020, 09:50:41 AM
Haha bork remember when you banned me because I rightfully said mass protests during a global pandemic were dumb if your demographic was already hurt hard?

Still waiting for an apology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAHi9dDxDpc
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Post by: Propagandhim on October 14, 2020, 11:32:45 AM: Interesting how the topic turned from that of a decent, upstanding man to the genocidal tyrant, Bork.
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Post by: D3RANG3D on October 14, 2020, 11:34:21 AM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjogCytzX0s&feature=emb_rel_end
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Post by: Nintex on October 14, 2020, 12:19:23 PM: As a history fan I just love relics from the old days so statues in my book are to be protected.
There are of course exemptions, which for me is political leaders who were bad dudes like Hitler and Stalin.
However, if a statue of Hitler or Stalin was to be found I'd rather have it placed in a museum than demolished.

However, Columbus was no political leader but an explorer and exploration is dangerous and often deadly.
It follows the laws of nature, kill or be killed or do or die trying.

So being the first to make such a risky trip is worth recognizing the achievement even if it ended in bloodshed.
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Post by: MMaRsu on October 14, 2020, 12:56:25 PM: He also comitted genocide but ok im sure he was a great guy

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To be fair, Columbus was never a head of state. Comparisons of
him to Nazi SS leader Heinrich Himmler, rather than Hitler, are
therefore more accurate and appropriate. It is time to delve into the
substance of the defendants' assertion that Columbus and Himmler, Nazi
Lebensraumpolitik (conquest of "living space" in eastern Europe) and
the "settlement of the New World" bear more than casual
resemblance to one another.

https://www.mit.edu/~thistle/v9/9.11/1columbus.html

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So being the first to make such a risky trip is worth recognizing the achievement

Is it really though?
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Post by: Propagandhim on October 14, 2020, 01:34:14 PM: Quote from: MMaRsu on October 14, 2020, 12:56:25 PM
He also comitted genocide but ok im sure he was a great guy

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To be fair, Columbus was never a head of state. Comparisons of
him to Nazi SS leader Heinrich Himmler, rather than Hitler, are
therefore more accurate and appropriate. It is time to delve into the
substance of the defendants' assertion that Columbus and Himmler, Nazi
Lebensraumpolitik (conquest of "living space" in eastern Europe) and
the "settlement of the New World" bear more than casual
resemblance to one another.

https://www.mit.edu/~thistle/v9/9.11/1columbus.html

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So being the first to make such a risky trip is worth recognizing the achievement

Is it really though?

Not that I disagree that Columbus was a genocidal maniac shitter, but wasn't Ward Churchill the goof that said Americans deserved 9/11?
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Post by: MMaRsu on October 14, 2020, 02:18:13 PM: I dont know the guy so I cant say either way

But then again, America kinda had some shit coming. They have been fucking with the Middle East for so long, someone was bound to launch some kind of fucked up attack.

Not that I feel that 9/11 was deserved, it was a despicable horrible attack and I still remember the day it happened.

I do agree that America is like the fucking World Police and they fucked with the Middle East and created their own enemies.
Title: Re: M. Bison was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: bork on October 14, 2020, 02:59:40 PM: Quote from: D3RANG3D on October 14, 2020, 11:34:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjogCytzX0s&feature=emb_rel_end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOvJ3J-1Qik
:bolo

I vote we replace statues of Columbus with Raul Julia and Van Damme, and rename the holiday to "Street Fighter: The Movie: The Holiday."
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Post by: MMaRsu on October 14, 2020, 03:25:57 PM: Fuck yes replace all statues with Street Fighter statues
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Post by: VomKriege on October 14, 2020, 03:36:51 PM: The War is canceled.
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Post by: Snoopycat_ on October 14, 2020, 07:52:33 PM: He's talking about Columbo you idiots. Jesus.
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Post by: naff on October 14, 2020, 10:21:24 PM: Quote from: Nintex on October 14, 2020, 12:19:23 PM
As a history fan I just love relics from the old days so statues in my book are to be protected.
There are of course exemptions, which for me is political leaders who were bad dudes like Hitler and Stalin.
However, if a statue of Hitler or Stalin was to be found I'd rather have it placed in a museum than demolished.

However, Columbus was no political leader but an explorer and exploration is dangerous and often deadly.
It follows the laws of nature, kill or be killed or do or die trying.

So being the first to make such a risky trip is worth recognizing the achievement even if it ended in bloodshed.

you sound more like a fetishist to me

should we be celebrating someone who laid the groundwork for the genocidal extermination of millions is what people are asking, and turns out, a lot of people are pretty horrified by the actual history.
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Post by: naff on October 14, 2020, 10:22:53 PM: making distinctions between explorer or conqueror is dumb shit for larpers
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Post by: bork on October 14, 2020, 10:25:12 PM: (https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/brussels-images/content/gallery/visit/place/10047_10047---Statue-de-Jean-Claude-Van-Damme_sq_640.jpg)
(https://www.brusselstimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Statue-of-Van-Damme-in-Vandam-2.jpg)

"Troopers! I have just received new orders. Our superiors say the war is cancelled, and we can all go home. Bison is getting paid off for his crimes, and our friends will have died here... will have died for nothing. But... we can all go home. Meanwhile, ideas like peace, freedom and justice - they get packed up. But... we can all go home. Well... I'm not going home. I'm gonna get on my boat, and I'm going up-river, and I'm going to kick that son-of-a-bitch Bison's ass so HARD... that the next Bison wanna-be is gonna feel it. Now who wants to go home... and who wants to go with ME!?"
:salute :yukasalute :salute
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Post by: Boredfrom on October 14, 2020, 10:45:13 PM: Quote from: shosta on October 13, 2020, 01:00:13 PM
Columbus being a genocidal maniac wasn't widely recognized here until recently (or at best was apologized for as "complex") and is a major part of the culture war right now. Fox commentators were having a field day yesterday.

Why everything needs to be a fucking culture war with you guys. And why focusing in stupid shit like this when, if you want to fly with the rest of the world, you guys should be more concerned on finally starting using the metrical system.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2020, 10:48:10 PM: Quote from: Boredfrom on October 14, 2020, 10:45:13 PM
finally starting using the metrical system.
Go to hell Marxist.
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Post by: Boredfrom on October 14, 2020, 11:02:20 PM: Quote from: benjipwns on October 14, 2020, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: Boredfrom on October 14, 2020, 10:45:13 PM
finally starting using the metrical system.
Go to hell Marxist.

The Stonecutters cannot keep getting away with this.
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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2020, 12:14:01 AM: Quote from: Stro on October 14, 2020, 10:12:58 AM
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're prob gonna stay waiting dawg

It's ok, takes a big man to say they were wrong.
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: shosta on October 15, 2020, 01:29:41 AM: Quote from: Boredfrom on October 14, 2020, 10:45:13 PM
Why everything needs to be a fucking culture war with you guys.
I agree, it shouldn't even be debatable to change Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples Day.
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Post by: Transhuman on October 15, 2020, 03:37:37 AM: Did you guys really want the North Koreans to find America first? Really?
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Post by: Beezy on October 15, 2020, 04:52:02 AM: Wait, why can't we compare Christopher Columbus to Hitler?
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Post by: MMaRsu on October 15, 2020, 05:01:24 AM: Was watching Buffy last night, and Spike kept it real on Thanksgiving

https://youtu.be/D4CKAWRot14
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 15, 2020, 05:28:40 AM: Quote from: Transhuman on October 15, 2020, 03:37:37 AM
Did you guys really want the North Koreans to find America first? Really?

:juchesad
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2020, 05:57:28 AM: Quote from: Beezy on October 15, 2020, 04:52:02 AM
Wait, why can't we compare Christopher Columbus to Hitler?

No one says you can't. It's just stupid.

Just like Trump can say he is immune to covid while having covid.
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: bork on October 15, 2020, 06:53:38 AM: Quote from: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2020, 12:14:01 AM
Quote from: Stro on October 14, 2020, 10:12:58 AM
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're prob gonna stay waiting dawg

It's ok, takes a big man to say they were wrong.

Are you talking about this thread?

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=47406.0

Because YIKES, dawg. I'd be moving the hell on.
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Beezy on October 15, 2020, 09:09:57 AM: Quote from: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2020, 05:57:28 AM
Quote from: Beezy on October 15, 2020, 04:52:02 AM
Wait, why can't we compare Christopher Columbus to Hitler?

No one says you can't. It's just stupid.
Columbus wiped out the Tainos (something I had to learn as an adult because most US history classes don't teach this). Hitler tried to kill all Jews. What's the difference?
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: shosta on October 15, 2020, 11:26:16 AM: They made me read Bartolome de las Casas in highschool and college. I know disease did most of the work by the numbers but the encomienda system went through slaves like they were nothing. Just unspeakable cruelty even for that time.

In Mexico and other countries the holiday is called Día de la Raza to celebrate the origin of the mestizo race and latin american society in general so the holiday is, in principle, much more respectful to the people that live there even if it's about the same event. British colonialism, though, did not produce a mixed majority population because they explicitly had an indigenous policy of segregation and extermination. Columbus Day has no value here except to celebrate an apocalyptic event.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2020, 12:41:05 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iGbxUAM0cc
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: MMaRsu on October 15, 2020, 01:00:16 PM: Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2020, 12:41:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iGbxUAM0cc

Hey its Harmony
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2020, 02:50:51 PM: Quote from: Beezy on October 15, 2020, 09:09:57 AM
Quote from: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2020, 05:57:28 AM
Quote from: Beezy on October 15, 2020, 04:52:02 AM
Wait, why can't we compare Christopher Columbus to Hitler?

No one says you can't. It's just stupid.
Columbus wiped out the Tainos (something I had to learn as an adult because most US history classes don't teach this). Hitler tried to kill all Jews. What's the difference?

I don't know how to react to this because:

1. You could be mentally challenged
2. US schooling system could be THIS bad
3. You're joking
4. All of the above
5. I have a degree in history and Im talking to someone who hasn't finished high school

Idk anymore
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: shosta on October 15, 2020, 02:54:18 PM: lager... I mentioned Hitler because I just wanted you to admit that there are statues of people you'd support being torn down. And then I was going to try to find out where that line was for you. And then I was going to try to make the case that Columbus also committed enough crimes to no longer warrant a holiday. That was me trying to find common ground!
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2020, 02:58:05 PM: Dude def shouldn't have a holiday, I said that from the get go.

Don't care for his or any colonial era statues either personally.

If it was up to me Id take it all down.

But in the big picture you need to take these things slow, cause people is cray cray
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Beezy on October 15, 2020, 03:15:42 PM: I don't follow all the name changes here so I didn't realize you were Lager. Moving on.
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: MMaRsu on October 15, 2020, 03:38:01 PM: Bruh same here

Lager u fuck u deceiving us
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: shosta on October 15, 2020, 03:45:34 PM: fuck this thread lol
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: shosta on October 15, 2020, 03:46:34 PM: I fucking hate every european
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: MMaRsu on October 15, 2020, 03:48:41 PM: Quote from: shosta on October 15, 2020, 03:46:34 PM
I fucking hate every european

Im sorry my heritage is shit shosta
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: shosta on October 15, 2020, 03:49:48 PM: you too, you're a shit
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: MMaRsu on October 15, 2020, 04:00:20 PM: Quote from: shosta on October 15, 2020, 03:49:48 PM
you too, you're a shit

Not very buddhist of you man
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2020, 05:58:47 PM: Columbus was a bad man.
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 15, 2020, 10:13:29 PM: ITT, we apologize for Christopher Columbus as if he were a WWE wrestler
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2020, 11:13:34 PM: Quote from: Beezy on October 15, 2020, 03:15:42 PM
I don't follow all the name changes here so I didn't realize you were Lager. Moving on.

Maybe you should stick to discussing things you know like basketball or something

That Kobe Bryant huh? Bit like Hitler really. Hitler tried to kill Jews and Kobe killed Bulls amirite ( i had to learn about this as an adult cause they only show football here)

/Breezy probably
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: bork on October 15, 2020, 11:24:36 PM: Quote from: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2020, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: Beezy on October 15, 2020, 03:15:42 PM
I don't follow all the name changes here so I didn't realize you were Lager. Moving on.

Maybe you should stick to discussing things you know like basketball or something

That Kobe Bryant huh? Bit like Hitler really. Hitler tried to kill Jews and Kobe killed Bulls amirite ( i had to learn about this as an adult cause they only show football here)

/Breezy probably

:nugenix
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2020, 11:33:03 PM: That's how i feel reading columbus = hitler

If on one hand you have trump and on the other people like breezy the US is in more trouble then I thought
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: bork on October 15, 2020, 11:35:05 PM: Quote from: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2020, 11:33:03 PM
That's how i feel reading columbus = hitler

If on one hand you have trump and on the other people like breezy the US is in more trouble then I thought

Beezy is a good dude and your last post was pretty embarrassing. Just stop.
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2020, 11:45:21 PM: Good maybe but not knowledgeable or smart

Are you going to ban me again for telling the truth?

You need to grow some thick skin bork, you come off like a lil fat kid that got some modicum of power and is now abusing it to feel more powerful, you know it.
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: bork on October 15, 2020, 11:48:57 PM: Quote from: Cerveza mas fina on October 15, 2020, 11:45:21 PM
Good maybe but not knowledgeable or smart

Are you going to ban me again for telling the truth?

You need to grow some thick skin bork, you come off like a lil fat kid that got some modicum of power and is now abusing it to feel more powerful, you know it.

No, I'm going to ban you for being a jackass. History really does repeat itself, because you're acting exactly the same as you did back in May.

Go take the weekend off.
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Rufus on October 16, 2020, 12:17:58 AM: Quote from: shosta on October 15, 2020, 03:46:34 PM
I fucking hate every european
:noooo
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Transhuman on October 16, 2020, 12:29:57 AM: He was more like Cortez than Hitler, but that's not that much better.
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: team filler on October 16, 2020, 12:45:55 AM: did he ever find asia? :neogaf
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Beezy on October 16, 2020, 01:09:46 AM: Yep, that's Lager. Didn't take much for him to show his true colors. I only pay attention to his lowkey racist ass on the gaming side since doesn't always come off as a complete piece of shit over there.
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Nintex on October 16, 2020, 09:46:17 AM: Columbus murdered Lager in the digital realm :ohhh
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 16, 2020, 01:20:20 PM: damn what kind of scumbag would associate themselves with chris benoit :doge
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: team filler on October 16, 2020, 02:24:39 PM: his fam sure like to no sell :doge
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 16, 2020, 02:46:49 PM: :whew
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 19, 2020, 12:48:57 AM: Rather be a jackass that's right, then a snowflake that's wrong.

(https://i.ibb.co/Hg7X24w/3d14424-01.jpg)
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: team filler on October 19, 2020, 01:14:58 AM: drinking a bottle of grolsch premium lager rn :doge
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: MMaRsu on October 19, 2020, 07:21:14 AM: Grolsch :lol

Pisswater
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: bork on October 19, 2020, 08:41:34 AM: Quote from: Cerveza mas fina on October 19, 2020, 12:48:57 AM
Rather be a jackass that's right, then a snowflake that's wrong.

(https://i.ibb.co/Hg7X24w/3d14424-01.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9O94UTDAJQ
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 19, 2020, 09:20:26 AM: Hahah Bork you are the only bitch here banning people when your feelings get hurt.

Grow a pair.
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: bork on October 19, 2020, 09:39:36 AM: Quote from: Cerveza mas fina on October 19, 2020, 09:20:26 AM
Hahah Bork you are the only bitch here banning people when your feelings get hurt.

Grow a pair.

My feelings? That doesn't even make sense in the context of this thread. You're the only one here being a bitch because Beezy shut you down and you can't take it. :lol
:girlaff

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Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 19, 2020, 10:21:54 AM: How did Beezy shut me down?

By comparing Columbus to Hitler?

I know you're thick but I thought that was just physical mate.
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: bork on October 19, 2020, 10:39:05 AM: Look at how butthurt you are over this dumb thread :lol :rofl
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: MMaRsu on October 19, 2020, 10:40:54 AM: I cant be held responsible for another ban :notlikethis
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 19, 2020, 10:45:23 AM: If by butt hurt you mean amused at how distinguished mentally-challenged some posters are then yes.
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: bork on October 19, 2020, 10:51:08 AM: Quote from: Cerveza mas fina on October 19, 2020, 10:45:23 AM
If by butt hurt you mean amused at how distinguished mentally-challenged fellowed some posters are then yes.

No, "butthurt" as in you keep dropping bad insults directed at us and can't stop responding to this thread. Maybe you just think you'll feel better if you get the last word in.
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 19, 2020, 10:52:45 AM: I already feel great because I'm right thanks.
Title: Re: Columbus was a great explorer and not a murderer
Post by: bork on October 19, 2020, 10:54:15 AM: Here, I'll make this easy for you and close the thread since you just can't stop.