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Title: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Himu on January 25, 2021, 02:55:01 PM
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Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: team filler on January 25, 2021, 03:04:48 PM
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Portia : One half of me is yours, the other half yours. Mine own, I would say; but if mine then yours.
(In Act III Scene 2 of The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare)
:shaq
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Himu on January 25, 2021, 03:04:50 PM
Me while watching Shakespeare

(https://i.imgur.com/vXpgGtm.gif)

Me while playing Final Fantasy Tactics

(https://i.imgur.com/mQWRMBq.gif)

https://youtu.be/mBjZB1l4TAs

Get owned by a late 20th century kideo game, brehs
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Himu on January 25, 2021, 03:07:52 PM
https://youtu.be/qjb2lJKtbhI
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Rufus on January 25, 2021, 04:05:55 PM
I can't help you, but there is this, which is interesting in itself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPlpphT7n9s
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Tasty on January 25, 2021, 04:58:21 PM
Just watch Star Trek VI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bJFkVArHWI
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 25, 2021, 05:01:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VOAxzgq42A
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Tasty on January 25, 2021, 05:25:36 PM
Baz Luhrmann is my guilty pleasure :aah

Moulin Rouge! :gladbron

Romeo + Juliet :ohhh

Gatsby :lawd
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Himu on January 25, 2021, 05:55:46 PM
The Get Down :rejoice
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Nintex on January 25, 2021, 06:42:31 PM
Me while watching Shakespeare

(https://i.imgur.com/vXpgGtm.gif)

Me while playing Final Fantasy Tactics

(https://i.imgur.com/mQWRMBq.gif)

https://youtu.be/mBjZB1l4TAs

Get owned by a late 20th century kideo game, brehs
Alternatively you could also watch the adventures of Lord Blackadder :snob
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: BIONIC on January 25, 2021, 07:21:55 PM
https://youtu.be/9Eont_yEGZs
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Tuckers Law on January 25, 2021, 08:42:34 PM
You gotta experience it in its original Klingon.
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Himu on January 25, 2021, 11:46:53 PM
So I've gotten to the heart of what I've been struggling with and I think it's the medium. Shakespeare when acted out doesn't work for me. But when I read it and I get to marinate with the words and try to understand what's really being said, I enjoy it more. What's weird is that people normally suggest the opposite: that Shakespeare is to be watched, not read.
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Tuckers Law on January 26, 2021, 01:23:57 AM
If I’m being honest (and no doubt blasphemous to some), I think the biggest hurdle is how reverential playwrites and screenwriters are to actual wording, cadence, and structure of the text itself.  English-lit nerds can no doubt spend oodles of time enjoying the meatiness and rhythm of his writing, but I think for the majority of English speaking people in the modern world, Shakespeare-as-written is often too much of an obstacle in the way of “just enjoying” some truly excellent stories, especially when adapted into more modern settings where it feels very out of place (like the Ralph Fiennes Coriolanus, or Ethan Hawke Hamlet).
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: team filler on January 26, 2021, 01:25:02 AM
to fully grasp shakespeare you must perform it  :fabulous
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: BIONIC on January 26, 2021, 01:58:57 AM
to fully grasp shakespeare you must become him  :snob
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Tuckers Law on January 26, 2021, 02:06:19 AM
Simpsons of old could do it justice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTuLNCveIDQ
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Transhuman on January 26, 2021, 02:47:43 AM
Why'd you delete it cind
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on January 26, 2021, 07:04:13 AM
So I've gotten to the heart of what I've been struggling with and I think it's the medium. Shakespeare when acted out doesn't work for me. But when I read it and I get to marinate with the words and try to understand what's really being said, I enjoy it more. What's weird is that people normally suggest the opposite: that Shakespeare is to be watched, not read.

It's usually recommended because most people aren't that familiar with blank verse / iambic pentameter, and watching a performance will let you 'get your ear in' quicker hearing the yada yada yada yada yada rhythm that gives it that lyrical quality much quicker than by reading it, as well as being able to follow the plot through contextual understanding even if you don't catch every word spoken.

There's a few other reasons too, like the fact most of his comedy just isn't that funny, but actors will usually add their own spin to the comedy to make it funnier.

They're obviously not performing right now, but the RSC are probably the global top-tier shakespeare troupe and stream their performances - in the UK they put a bunch of past 'hits' up for free on iPlayer last year, but they probably have a deal with an american streaming service you could sign up for a trial and get access to some of their past performances to check out.

The 'big hits' are probably easier to get into as well - hamlet / macbeth / R&J / lear / midsummers / tempest - too.
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: pancakesandsex on January 26, 2021, 09:25:04 PM
When covid dies down, find local theater, who probably perform the plays with silly themes and the appropriate level of scenery chewing levity.  Shakespeare became much more fun after realizing how much of it was just innuendo and dick jokes and lampooning authorities.  You definitely don't get that in high school (where it's introduced to most of us) with a bunch of uninspired barely literates trying to read out loud in class with the chutzpah of universal remote programming manual.

Also the baz luhrmann romeo and juliet is amazing if you're looking for a movie version that properly captures it.
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Tasty on January 26, 2021, 10:34:25 PM
I’ll teach you how to Dougie

(https://i.imgur.com/bTPG71z.gif)
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Trent Dole on January 27, 2021, 04:28:50 PM
Shakespeare was the pop culture of its time and is only performed in schools etc lots cause it's old as fuck and thus public domain so they don't have to pay any royalties to put on one of his plays and people will come out cause they know it cause it's Shakespeare cause everyone does it cause there's less over head cause it's public domain..... If you're not into it it's fine there's other better playwrights out there. :tophat
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: team filler on January 27, 2021, 05:22:27 PM
start with hamlet, it's mine and shosti's fave  ;)
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: SmokyDave on January 28, 2021, 05:48:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUBi8EnK9EQ

One and done :)
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Transhuman on January 28, 2021, 11:21:10 AM
I can help you enjoy Shakespeare

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Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: team filler on January 29, 2021, 02:07:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/6JEBz69.jpg)
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: Nintex on January 29, 2021, 02:18:55 PM
O romeo o romeo
wherefore art thou romeo
Deny thy boomer and refuse thy name
Don't worry bae daddy musk is gonna take us to the moon
What the fuck are you talking about romeo
Title: Re: Help me learn to enjoy Shakespeare
Post by: team filler on February 14, 2021, 01:52:05 PM
start with hamlet, it's mine and shosti's fave  ;)
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'Doubt thou the stars are fire; Doubt that the sun doth move; Doubt truth to be a liar; But never doubt I love.'
― William Shakespeare, Hamlet