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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Nintex on July 15, 2021, 12:57:14 PM

Title: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 15, 2021, 12:57:14 PM
https://www.steamdeck.com/ (https://www.steamdeck.com/)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6WkCYNWYAQYJF_?format=jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6Wib0iWYAom50_?format=jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PSQiIMB.png)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Svejk on July 15, 2021, 01:09:57 PM
Shit looks dope.  Price looks about right too.
Should be only a matter of minutes before the girl in red, jealous girlfriend meme has this against Smitch-O-Led.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 15, 2021, 01:16:08 PM
That looks pretty dope, I do kinda wish you could use other shit like battle.net on it tho
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 15, 2021, 01:19:01 PM
Oh shit nevermind

"Do I need a Steam account to use Steam Deck?
The default Steam Deck experience requires a Steam account (it's free!). Games are purchased and downloaded using the Steam Store. That said, Steam Deck is a PC so you can install third party software and operating systems."

Pretty much definitely getting one of these now
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Svejk on July 15, 2021, 01:24:33 PM
Just tell me this can run yuzu with no problem...
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2021, 01:29:23 PM
Hmmm, if this has better compatibility than using steam link on tablets I might get one. There's a lot on steam that translate well to portables like VNs and PnC adventure games, crpgs, etc... but a lot of those don't work that well on steam link to a tablet or phone. Resolution issues and control issues often.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: SmokyDave on July 15, 2021, 01:30:25 PM
One for me, one for tíwife, no questions asked. I could weep at the analogue triggers alone.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2021, 01:31:43 PM
So 64GB is an issue given that there are easily Steam games that are 100GB just to have one game installed.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2021, 01:32:17 PM
Also does this thing have a TV dock? It looks like it doesn't and that seems like a missed opportunity. My brother won't fuck with PC gaming but this would probably get him into PC gaming if it had a dock and he could play on his tv and portable like Switch.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2021, 01:36:47 PM
Oh shit, there is a dock. Nice.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 15, 2021, 01:41:16 PM
Also does this thing have a TV dock? It looks like it doesn't and that seems like a missed opportunity. My brother won't fuck with PC gaming but this would probably get him into PC gaming if it had a dock and he could play on his tv and portable like Switch.
There's a dock and it works with any other USB-C dock as well.
You can also install Windows on it instead of using the Steam OS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLtiRGTZvGM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FXgDAF6QpM

Nintendo should've fixed Gabe's Joy Con drift :trumps
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2021, 01:45:22 PM
I'm guessing there is a USB slot for external memory storage that you can run games off? Would be the only way to get around the 64GB limit for 100GB game installs.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 15, 2021, 01:49:59 PM
:gaben is one of the vilest looking humans walking the planet :trumps

i can smell him thru my screen :hhh
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: tiesto on July 15, 2021, 01:50:57 PM
That joystick placement looks really awkward and uncomfortable...
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 15, 2021, 01:53:29 PM
i hope tim sweeney drops something better and cheaper tbh :win

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Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 15, 2021, 01:55:23 PM
I'm guessing there is a USB slot for external memory storage that you can run games off? Would be the only way to get around the 64GB limit for 100GB game installs.

MicroSD slot confirmed
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: thetylerrob on July 15, 2021, 01:55:40 PM
Yeah, those ergonomics look horrible, why is so much room on the pad taken up by touchpads?
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2021, 01:57:35 PM
Yeah, those ergonomics look horrible, why is so much room on the pad taken up by touchpads?

Need my them for my PnC adventure games.

Then again I don't know why you'd need two?


And yeah, d-pad placement looks awful. RIP 2d indie platformers.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 15, 2021, 02:14:45 PM
Not sure how this will stack up against the current crop of high-end Chinese handheld PCs, but with my experience with the GPD Win series and as a current GPD Max and GPD Win 3 owner:

-64 GB of EMMC storage is lolol and 256 GB is barely enough.  There are PC games out there that are in the 70-100 GB range now.  Disappointed that 512 GB is the highest it will go.  That's OK, but I'm very happy with the 1TB SSD that's in the Win 3. 

-From my experience, micro SD cards and USB flash drives don't give the best performance and load times are longer.  Would be fine for emulators and small games though.  And of course you could always plug in a portable drive, but that kind of defeats the purpose of it being a handheld.

-If Valve makes it easy to open up the units and swap out the SSDs, however, this is going to be a total game-changer and the other handheld PCs are going to drop in popularity super-fast.  They don't make it easy to change out internals.  I hope this does.

-It looks HUGE and bulky.  Also unsure of those d-pad and button placements.

-I assume because of the hardware there's no way to use an external GPU with it?  (Isn't that an Intel-only thing?)

I'm still pretty interested though- will try to reserve one tomorrow.  Even $650 for the highest-tier model is still cheaper than what GPD and like cost. 
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 15, 2021, 02:15:11 PM
Yeah, those ergonomics look horrible, why is so much room on the pad taken up by touchpads?

Need my them for my PnC adventure games.

Then again I don't know why you'd need two?


And yeah, d-pad placement looks awful. RIP 2d indie platformers.

It's a PC- you can always use a wireless controller or plug one in.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: thetylerrob on July 15, 2021, 02:24:26 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/83T6l69.png)
Cool that they're thinking about this, would be great if FG tournaments could start running using these instead of bulky ass new consoles.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 15, 2021, 02:26:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/83T6l69.png)
Cool that they're thinking about this, would be great if FG tournaments could start running using these instead of bulky ass new consoles.

The thing to think about is how these games run when connected to a monitor or TV- if you go past 720P, the performance might take a big hit and if you stick with 720P or lower and lower detail settings, the games won't look as good as they do on the smaller screen.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2021, 02:29:09 PM
Yeah, those ergonomics look horrible, why is so much room on the pad taken up by touchpads?

Need my them for my PnC adventure games.

Then again I don't know why you'd need two?


And yeah, d-pad placement looks awful. RIP 2d indie platformers.

It's a PC- you can always use a wireless controller or plug one in.

Yeah but I'm talking about as a portable.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 15, 2021, 02:31:29 PM
Yeah, those ergonomics look horrible, why is so much room on the pad taken up by touchpads?

Need my them for my PnC adventure games.

Then again I don't know why you'd need two?


And yeah, d-pad placement looks awful. RIP 2d indie platformers.

It's a PC- you can always use a wireless controller or plug one in.

Yeah but I'm talking about as a portable.

It's like that picture TheTyperRob just posted- you could have it standing up and use it like a Switch with the controllers detached.  If you want to limit it to being strictly handheld, yeah, it could be an issue.  But I'm sure they'll do a good job of making it comfortable.

If you want something that is comfortable to hold and use and is smaller, look into the GPD Win 3.  It's the size of a Switch Lite and the performance is amazing.  Costs more but does offer way more storage.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 15, 2021, 02:33:09 PM
It just hit me that this doesn't have a keyboard.  You're going to be forced to use an on-screen one? 
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: thetylerrob on July 15, 2021, 02:41:22 PM
The handheld has Bluetooth and USB-C. The dock has 3 USB ports.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 15, 2021, 02:53:45 PM
(https://image.ibb.co/dCgmYA/Capture.png)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2021, 03:24:47 PM
can't wait to play da romz on it :rejoice :rejoice :rejoice :gaben
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 15, 2021, 03:29:04 PM
Nintendo are over.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 15, 2021, 03:31:25 PM
Playing steam sex games on my steam boy on the bus  :patel
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Svejk on July 15, 2021, 03:37:26 PM
Steamy UpperDecker
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 15, 2021, 03:52:30 PM
The handheld has Bluetooth and USB-C. The dock has 3 USB ports.

You gonna bring a mouse and kb with you on the go?
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: thetylerrob on July 15, 2021, 04:01:48 PM
Nah, but I think you could if you're a bad enough gamer.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2021, 04:24:17 PM
The handheld has Bluetooth and USB-C. The dock has 3 USB ports.

You gonna bring a mouse and kb with you on the go?

(https://i.imgur.com/TK4ricj.png)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Don Rumata on July 15, 2021, 04:25:11 PM
Can it run BotW at 60fps through CEMU?  :doge
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 15, 2021, 05:20:01 PM
Can it run BotW at 60fps through CEMU?  :doge

If the specs are close to the GPD Win 3...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xMV4775Fp8

Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 15, 2021, 05:20:18 PM
This seems like a very serious move by Valve. Not off the shelf parts but a custom APU, it must've been challenging and expensive to develop.
IGN also notes that unlike the Steam Controller and even though they had doubts about the button placements it is very comfortable to use.

The key here is performance, how much of a 'hit' will it take compared to optimized console games. At 800p they certainly have a lot of leeway but docked might not yield the same results.
I also wonder if they're going to do something about optimizing delivery like the Xbox systems do. After all at 800p you don't need 4k texture packs and that could save a ton of storage.

I know that early on in the Switch cycle quite some people who were PC-only bought it to play BOTW but also the games they would usually play on Steam portable like DOOM, Diablo III and indies.
It always surprises me how every PC gaming Switch owner I know has a vastly different library of mostly their favorite games but the ports have become less interesting as the Switch has aged.

Far less expensive than a gaming laptop, much easier to carry. If the battery power indeed holds up (2 - 8 hours is mentioned in the specs) this could finally be Valve's big break in the console hardware market.
Plus it runs Windows, so also GamePass, EGS and Xbox Cloud.

A Switch for adults  :teehee
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 15, 2021, 05:22:30 PM
this could finally be Valve's big break in the console hardware market.

Doubtful.  I can see it doing very well for them, but your average person is not going to know what a "Steam Deck" is.  Would be cool to see it pop up in stores, but am guessing it's going to be online-only.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Coax on July 15, 2021, 05:28:06 PM
-I assume because of the hardware there's no way to use an external GPU with it?  (Isn't that an Intel-only thing?)

Apart from Thunderbolt eGPUs (what you're probably referring to) I've seen people slot in a regular GPU on AMD systems if there's a PCIe m.2 slot with the right keying (if one existed it'd be occupied the NVMe drive). It'd be limited to the bandwidth of the available PCIe lanes of the socket and require extra power though, apart from looking jank af :doge
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Potato on July 15, 2021, 06:22:39 PM
Shit looks dope.  Price looks about right too.
Should be only a matter of minutes before the girl in red, jealous girlfriend meme has this against Smitch-O-Led.
Which price? I hope you're not talking about the 64GB option which is  :point
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 15, 2021, 07:00:31 PM
Looks like the Steamdeck is going to have slightly better performance than the Aya Neo.  For the price, this is going to absolutely kill anything else like it. Valve definitely knocked it out of the park.  The battery is smaller than the Aya Neo and GPD Win, but it should be streamlined to give better performance and possibly the last as long or longer. However no idea how that might change if you were to install Windows on it.

https://youtu.be/NhvrmNE5yng

https://youtu.be/gMXb-_xdLRA
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Sho Nuff on July 15, 2021, 07:15:27 PM
-From my experience, micro SD cards and USB flash drives don't give the best performance and load times are longer.  Would be fine for emulators and small games though.  And of course you could always plug in a portable drive, but that kind of defeats the purpose of it being a handheld.

Ding ding ding, this right here. MicroSD is slow as shit.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2021, 07:17:24 PM
Bork, at the end of the day what should separate this from all the other similar devices is this being a native steam app and should have better steam integration.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: naff on July 15, 2021, 07:20:30 PM
if i could buy in nz at $650usd snap buy
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: naff on July 15, 2021, 07:29:09 PM
So 64GB is an issue given that there are easily Steam games that are 100GB just to have one game installed.

it's weird to even offer an option that low imo but it makes me wonder if it will be possible to switch the drive with your own nvme ssd. having a 2tb nvme drive in this bad boi :whew

obviously most people srs about this will choose the 512 option since the price is right
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: BikeJesus on July 15, 2021, 07:36:44 PM
I'll be ordering the highest capacity model. Can't wait. I can stop lugging my laptop to work everyday.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 15, 2021, 09:38:38 PM
Bork, at the end of the day what should separate this from all the other similar devices is this being a native steam app and should have better steam integration.

Yes, Steam OS- but the big deal is how games are supposed to be made to take advantage of it.  It's more 'plug and play' compared to the handheld PCs out now.  I don't know if I'd ditch my GPD Win 3, but if it ends up being that awesome, I just might.  But the Win 3's smaller form factor and keyboard, plus 1tb of storage, still makes it seem better to me. 
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2021, 09:44:34 PM
Can't wait to load this up with ROMs I'll never actually play! :rejoice
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: MMaRsu on July 16, 2021, 03:15:40 AM
Price is funny, sticks are in a horrible position too

who would buy this thing

lmao
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 16, 2021, 05:46:10 AM
Goddamn, this looks pretty nice.
I wonder if they'll have the manufacturing capacity to meet demand though...?

Yeah, those ergonomics look horrible, why is so much room on the pad taken up by touchpads?

Need my them for my PnC adventure games.

Then again I don't know why you'd need two?

I assume those are intended to be the primary input mechanisms and work like the steam controller haptic pads did, so you can assign them to be whatever you want, and the other buttons / inputs are mostly there as training wheels until you get used to the steamcontroller style haptic pads
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: daemon on July 16, 2021, 07:15:04 AM
I have 845 csgo crates at 85 cents each waiting for this, possibly.

 :-*
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 07:30:12 AM
Goddamn, this looks pretty nice.
I wonder if they'll have the manufacturing capacity to meet demand though...?

Yeah, those ergonomics look horrible, why is so much room on the pad taken up by touchpads?

Need my them for my PnC adventure games.

Then again I don't know why you'd need two?

I assume those are intended to be the primary input mechanisms and work like the steam controller haptic pads did, so you can assign them to be whatever you want, and the other buttons / inputs are mostly there as training wheels until you get used to the steamcontroller style haptic pads
Valve have probably been manufacturing or stacking up parts for these for a while. The APU showed up in a number of different reports way back when people were keeping an eye on PS5/Xbox Series X APU manufacturing and yields.
I thought it was assumed this was a chip for another Xbox model first and then the Switch Pro but now we know better. (i.e. the rumor that Nintendo was switching to AMD for a new APU originated from these reports)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 16, 2021, 08:02:35 AM
Valve have probably been manufacturing or stacking up parts for these for a while. The APU showed up in a number of different reports way back when people were keeping an eye on PS5/Xbox Series X APU manufacturing and yields.
I thought it was assumed this was a chip for another Xbox model first and then the Switch Pro but now we know better. (i.e. the rumor that Nintendo was switching to AMD for a new APU originated from these reports)

I have no doubt, like I presume the 'insider' info about a "Switch Pro" was probably a Telephone game about upcoming PS4/X1 level handheld not by Sony/Ms and some jumping to conclusions.
But this thing is punching above its weight on price / performance even just as an SFF PC, and being able to dock directly into a monitor / KBM and bulk storage means its going to be highly competitive with shit like the mac mini for non-gaming purposes (because stuff like video editing, 3D modelling / animating and rendering etc all benefit hugely from a decent GPU).

I think this is going to be a very hot item, and I don't know who (if anyone) Valve are partnering with on the manufacturing side of things, but I think people will be surprised at its uptake.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 08:11:31 AM
I think it'll be a huge hit also, considering there's not a lot of competition this holiday season.
The Switch is a known quantity, the OLED model isn't much of an upgrade if you already own a Switch.

PC GPU's are still supply constrained and PS5/Xbox Series X gamers looking for a portable next to their console will likely skip the Switch if this exists.
If you're in the market for a gaming laptop this is nearly twice as cheap and even more portable.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Svejk on July 16, 2021, 08:47:13 AM
Price is funny, sticks are in a horrible position too

who would buy this thing

lmao
But wait!  You can use your games from EGS too!!!

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/055/492/5f6.gif)
 ;)
Looks like the Steamdeck is going to have slightly better performance than the Aya Neo.  For the price, this is going to absolutely kill anything else like it. Valve definitely knocked it out of the park.  The battery is smaller than the Aya Neo and GPD Win, but it should be streamlined to give better performance and possibly the last as long or longer. However no idea how that might change if you were to install Windows on it.
Like Sony attempted with PSVR, it seems like they're aiming for a sweet spot between quality and affordability.  This is looking like they about nailed it.  But I already would prefer a Steam Deck Go or Clam version.  :P But damn... my biggest gripe of my PC gaming is playing my PC at my desk... this would stream line that with ease along with upgrading from my PC config. 
And this could be the ultimate GamePass machine.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Don Rumata on July 16, 2021, 09:07:14 AM
I really don't get the complaint about buttons/stick placement.

Try to hold a goddamn rectangle with your hands, with your index fingers positioned where the triggers/bumbers are (at the top).
where do the thumbs naturally rest? Yeah, at the very top of the rectangle, where they placed the buttons.

The Switch has them in the middle because they need to do that dumb thing where you use them sideways once you detach them.

Look at any normal controller (DS4, Xbox etc) and look how close face buttons and triggers are.

There were people arguing that the buttons/sticks should've been where the touchpads are, and i have to wonder what kind of fucked up hands they got.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: BikeJesus on July 16, 2021, 09:46:29 AM
I love the Steam Controller so I'm not worried at all. I just hope they learned from that experience and that the buttons are more durable.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Akala on July 16, 2021, 10:26:51 AM
this looks awesome, I am in for 256 I think.

Quote
I also wonder if they're going to do something about optimizing delivery like the Xbox systems do. After all at 800p you don't need 4k texture packs and that could save a ton of storage.

I am thinking this is likely as well (obv not for everything).
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Coax on July 16, 2021, 10:33:43 AM
Quote
I also wonder if they're going to do something about optimizing delivery like the Xbox systems do. After all at 800p you don't need 4k texture packs and that could save a ton of storage.

I am thinking this is likely as well (obv not for everything).

Would be cool, although then you look at their official site and it's showing Doom Eternal being downloaded at 80GB :P
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: MMaRsu on July 16, 2021, 10:34:49 AM
https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1415755678849900546

 :what
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2021, 11:07:57 AM
With it being on Linux by default you unfortunately do not have access to most of the "best" Steam dreck.

 :doge
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2021, 01:02:10 PM
Trying to get through and its hammered of course.

Got it in my cart but stuck on payment with errors.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: BikeJesus on July 16, 2021, 01:04:12 PM
And reserved. Time was 10:01.

The Steam client still hasn't shown the purchase, but i got an email saying it is reserved.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2021, 01:05:40 PM
I'm trying to do it through steam client and I just get errors. This is frustrating.

Tried multiple types of payment but same orange error:

An unexpected error has occurred. Your purchase has not been completed.
Please wait a few minutes and try again.
If you encounter this error repeatedly, please contact Steam Support.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 01:08:12 PM
It is in my cart but I can't get to checkout

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E502 L3

 :rage
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: BikeJesus on July 16, 2021, 01:11:18 PM
I had 7 dollars in Steam wallet. Might have sped things up
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 01:11:49 PM
Purchase for myself

Purchase for myself

Purchase for myself

Purchase for myself

Purchase for myself

Purchase for myself

Purchase for myself

Purchase for myself

Now on the payment screen....
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2021, 01:12:33 PM
I give up
If it's like Index it will be available a couple months later if you don't get in day 1.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2021, 01:13:17 PM
I had 7 dollars in Steam wallet. Might have sped things up

Smart, this was probably the secret. It can't process purchases through paypal/cc it seems currently.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 01:14:14 PM
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There seems to have been an error initializing or updating your transaction. Please wait a minute and try again or contact support for assistance.

I just keep clicking you fucks  :doge
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2021, 01:14:36 PM
It looks like you've been attempting a lot of purchases in the last few hours. Please wait a while before trying again.

Great and now it'll probably get my steam account locked or some shit. Yeah I give up for today.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 01:22:58 PM
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It looks like you've been attempting a lot of purchases in the last few hours. Please wait a while before trying again.

Is this fucking Cuba? :trumps
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 16, 2021, 01:25:33 PM
Finally got it to go through, had to wait a bit after I got to each stage to get to the next one (add to cart, payment, etc)

(https://i.imgur.com/JO6Ov1h.png)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2021, 01:29:24 PM
I'm glad this is literally something I don't need as it's just a better alternate way to play stuff I already can play. If this was a new system with exclusives or something I'd be pretty pissed. Just slightly annoyed at the process now. I can wait 6 months and get one later.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 01:40:26 PM
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There seems to have been an error initializing or updating your transaction. Please wait a minute and try again or contact support for assistance.

Back to this at least  :doge
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2021, 01:47:11 PM
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There seems to have been an error initializing or updating your transaction. Please wait a minute and try again or contact support for assistance.

Back to this at least  :doge

Just tried and still locked out on my end :(
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 01:48:05 PM
Tried once, locked out again.

I'm not sure how the cart works but I got an email with a saved cart and will try it again in an hour or so.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 16, 2021, 01:50:21 PM
I'm glad this is literally something I don't need as it's just a better alternate way to play stuff I already can play. If this was a new system with exclusives or something I'd be pretty pissed. Just slightly annoyed at the process now. I can wait 6 months and get one later.

Mostly I'm just looking forward to being able to lie in bed and just play rpgs. Hopefully I'll get something terminal and can live out my final days trying to dodge 200 lightning bolts or something stupid like that.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 02:01:40 PM
Delivery already pushed to Q1 2022 and in some regions Q2 2022 for these bad bois.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 16, 2021, 02:13:34 PM
Was able to just reserve a 512 GB model after multiple failed attempts- I went to the support page, selected the option to get help with a purchase > failed purchase > Steamdeck and it let me through.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 02:20:28 PM
Just paid, now waiting for the confirmation.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 02:32:33 PM
Money is taken from my account, purchase history says: "pending"  :shaking
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 16, 2021, 02:33:33 PM
You didn't get an email?
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 02:43:21 PM
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Steam Deck 256 GB Deposit

Your Steam Deck 256 GB Deposit is now reserved. Once inventory is available, you will receive an email in the order your reservation was made. This email will contain details for how to complete your purchase.
I've got no clue when I'll get it though  :doge
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 16, 2021, 03:13:04 PM
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Steam Deck 256 GB Deposit

Your Steam Deck 256 GB Deposit is now reserved. Once inventory is available, you will receive an email in the order your reservation was made. This email will contain details for how to complete your purchase.
I've got no clue when I'll get it though  :doge

Something tells me Valve doesn't know either- I bet this comes out towards the end of next year.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2021, 03:20:59 PM
Lol, what when I go to my cart after a million errors for 2.5 hours it says I already own it.

Guess a recent one went through even if it never made it to the end screen.


Says Est Q2 2022. Better than 2023 I guess.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2021, 04:11:47 PM
you dopes are breaking steam for the rest of us, chill out
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2021, 05:52:43 PM
Mine says Q1 2022

Also based gaben
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6ctTnyX0AQMkba?format=png)

You could've just gotten the $399 one and pick up a cheap NVME along the way.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Kestastrophe on July 16, 2021, 05:57:50 PM
Got my preorder in for the 256 :preach
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Coax on July 16, 2021, 06:04:09 PM
I like how Gabe responds faster than most customer support, when he feels like it.

Looks like he's answered the m.2 question to two different users already.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Akala on July 16, 2021, 06:52:53 PM
got one after erroring out a bunch and getting pretty aggravated, team 256/2022.  :-\

Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Don Rumata on July 16, 2021, 08:19:44 PM
You guys trust Valve's build quality enough to preorder? :thinking
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 16, 2021, 08:40:46 PM
You guys trust Valve's build quality enough to preorder? :thinking

Probably not, but the alternative is enjoy your revision #2 in 2025.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 16, 2021, 08:58:04 PM
You guys trust Valve's build quality enough to preorder? :thinking

Listen, I'll probably fuck around with this thing for 3 months, get bored, then forget about it
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Don Rumata on July 16, 2021, 09:34:59 PM
You guys trust Valve's build quality enough to preorder? :thinking

Probably not, but the alternative is enjoy your revision #2 in 2025.
If they even support it that far.  :doge
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: paprikastaude on July 16, 2021, 09:42:39 PM
You guys trust Valve's build quality enough to preorder? :thinking

Probably not, but the alternative is enjoy your revision #2 in 2025.
If they even support it that far.  :doge

At least rn it already has more buzz than all of their prior hardware, so maybe.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Don Rumata on July 16, 2021, 09:57:23 PM
I hope so, i think it's a cool piece of hardware and a good idea.
I have little faith in Valve when it comes to HW though, they seem to lose interest very fast.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 16, 2021, 10:16:08 PM
I mean... if you install windows on it, who gives a fuck if they keep supporting steam os I guess?

:yeshrug
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Don Rumata on July 16, 2021, 11:14:40 PM
Because they mentioned bespoke optimization from developers.
With this kind of hardware and machine, specific tinkering and optimization is a crucial thing for newer games, i feel like.
So it'd be good to have proper support, but of course if all you use it for is 2d games and retro stuff, that's fine.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 17, 2021, 12:00:33 PM
Wait, this isn't Windows 10? Uhhhh, whyyyyy. Seems like a huge mistake for portable Steam device.

I want this for old niche games, crpgs, VNs, Sierra/Lucasarts PnCs, indie Metroivanias. I sure hope they work on Linux.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: BikeJesus on July 17, 2021, 01:14:09 PM
Valve said the goal is to have every Steam game working by launch. Apparently they have a new version of Proton not yet released. Sounds pretty ambitious, but i have faith. Valve has been working on improving linux for a decade so they don't get caught with their pants down relying on Windows.

I am so excited for this fucking thing. Also, it is a PC so you can install windows if you really want to.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 17, 2021, 01:29:49 PM
Unless early word of mouth is that Windows just works great immediately, I'll probably just fuck around with it running linux/SteamOS for the first 3-6 months and then look at putting Windows on it. I wonder if installing emus/romz on whatever shitfuck version of linux it comes with will be easy...

Also, this may finally be the thing that breaks me down the road to sign up for pc gamepass, lol
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 17, 2021, 01:58:31 PM
I guess Iím just nervous because like Mac, Iíve never used Linux and have no idea how to use an operating system that isnít Windows. I know Windows and DOS really well at this point.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 17, 2021, 02:10:16 PM
I would be pretty surprised if this thing launched and wasn't basically just pick up and play for like 90% of shit on steam. You probably won't have to *do* anything with linux if you don't want to.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Coax on July 17, 2021, 02:20:28 PM
Valve said the goal is to have every Steam game working by launch. Apparently they have a new version of Proton not yet released.

I'm curious how they'll handle DirectX 12 since it was only in early testing on Linux as of like earlier this year. Would be awesome if it was much further ahead as this could make Linux viable for new releases instead of being W10/11 exclusive.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 17, 2021, 02:32:14 PM
I would be pretty surprised if this thing launched and wasn't basically just pick up and play for like 90% of shit on steam. You probably won't have to *do* anything with linux if you don't want to.

Wellllll, I was reading the Proton compatibility thread on era and it seems like half the games you have to go in and download a file or edit a .cfg. Which is a 2-second thing in windows with a laptop/desktop/kb+m, but on a portable system with linux I'm gonna be lost.

Hopefully most stuff runs natively by Q2 2022.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 17, 2021, 02:34:06 PM
Also I haven't really looked into/paid attention to Linux since like 2001 where it was the OS that 99% of games did not support. So I'm pretty out of the loop on it.

I remember Linux was like the cool hipster anti-establishment OS for like 1,000 people who ran emulators or something. Never really paid attention to it because it always seemed like a really niche thing.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 17, 2021, 06:24:13 PM
It might have problems with some obscure or very old games (that hardly run on Windows even)
They have Hades, DOOM Eternal, CONTROL and a bunch of other games running so I don't expect a lot of issues.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 17, 2021, 07:11:04 PM
It might have problems with some obscure or very old games (that hardly run on Windows even)
They have Hades, DOOM Eternal, CONTROL and a bunch of other games running so I don't expect a lot of issues.

Well that's kind of the point. I'd expect most recent games to work and older games not to work.

And I'm weird in that I'm not interested in a portable steam for recent games but for older stuff. More Doom 64 than Doom Eternal.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: naff on July 17, 2021, 07:13:37 PM
I would be pretty surprised if this thing launched and wasn't basically just pick up and play for like 90% of shit on steam. You probably won't have to *do* anything with linux if you don't want to.

i would be :p

filter games on steam by "Linux / SteamOS" support. that's what will work on this thing out of the box. you can install Windows on it too, and hopefully this will push a bunch of devs to make Linux ports but the support is relatively low atm. you'll probably want to be dual booting Windows
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: naff on July 17, 2021, 07:20:02 PM
they have some promo material of it playing games that don't have Linux ports. I assume they have a fair few in the works, but it is funny to me to show off games you have to install a whole different OS to run atm
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 18, 2021, 12:56:47 AM
...have you just ignored all the talk about proton or...???
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 18, 2021, 01:20:14 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6b2OFjX0AIHP4h.jpg)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 18, 2021, 08:34:19 AM
Wellllll, I was reading the Proton compatibility thread on era and it seems like half the games you have to go in and download a file or edit a .cfg. Which is a 2-second thing in windows with a laptop/desktop/kb+m, but on a portable system with linux I'm gonna be lost.

I'm like... 99% sure that will be a non-issue, for the exact same reasons that setting up a Steam controller to work in a game that has never had PC controller support is a non-issue.
Because they'll just crowd source that shit and auto-load the most used config on game start.

Pretty much the same was GeForce Experience "just works" for people that can't be fucked to tinker in their Options with every game they play to min/max graphical quality vs framerate.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: remy on July 18, 2021, 06:11:12 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6b2OFjX0AIHP4h.jpg)

it really does have game gear energy. i think thats why i like it, i already have an affinity for SEGA's industrial design
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: naff on July 19, 2021, 12:39:47 PM
...have you just ignored all the talk about proton or...???

true. no I hadn't, excuse my ignorance. wild to me wine is going to be packaged into a big commercial product like this. cool, but also sounds like this shid will have more bugs than an EDF game
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 19, 2021, 02:03:45 PM
I mean valve has repeatedly emphasized that this is a pc and what would pc gaming be without a shit ton of bugs
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: benjipwns on July 19, 2021, 04:53:37 PM
Wait, this isn't Windows 10? Uhhhh, whyyyyy.
Because they'd have to pay for Windows on each SteamDeck and then they're beholden to Microsoft.
I guess Iím just nervous because like Mac, Iíve never used Linux and have no idea how to use an operating system that isnít Windows. I know Windows and DOS really well at this point.
SteamOS is just a background layer to you using Steam like normal, especially in big picture mode. It's when you start wanting to install other stuff (non-Steam stuff) that you'll have to know anything about Linux. (Or install Windows)
I wonder if installing emus/romz on whatever shitfuck version of linux it comes with will be easy...
You can probably just install a RetroArch package and immediately have a bunch of emulators for most every system you could want available along with controller support, etc. since it handles everything internally.

IIRC, RetroArch is even coming to Steam, so you'd just install it like anything else on Steam.

edit: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1118310/RetroArch/
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 20, 2021, 01:25:20 AM
According to Valve, all the footage in the IGN vids was from games that were loaded on a microSD card and not regular internal storage

:leon
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: BikeJesus on July 20, 2021, 01:29:00 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/5OPhGAt.png)
Feels good, man
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Coax on July 20, 2021, 07:43:01 AM
SteamOS is just a background layer to you using Steam like normal, especially in big picture mode. It's when you start wanting to install other stuff (non-Steam stuff) that you'll have to know anything about Linux. (Or install Windows)

Seems it'll be running KDE Plasma (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/KDE_Plasma_5.21_Breeze_Twilight_screenshot.png) which seems pretty easy to use for such times one would want to interact with the rest of the OS.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 20, 2021, 11:22:27 PM
The only tragedy in all of this is that it's been almost a week and no one has made a "Ready for a Miracle" steam deck video, fuck the internet
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2021, 07:41:32 PM
Seems it'll be running KDE Plasma (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/KDE_Plasma_5.21_Breeze_Twilight_screenshot.png) which seems pretty easy to use for such times one would want to interact with the rest of the OS.
Oh, then it'll be pretty darn easy to install/tweak stuff in a Windows-like environment if need be.

Like for RetroArch, you would just need to install the snap store (if it's not already installed by Valve), then it's one click to install RetroArch from that. (Then just add a shortcut in Steam and you could stay in big picture mode or whatever.) All the emulator cores you grab from inside RetroArch, so you'd never have to leave a controller based interface except to install the snap store and since the Deck has those touchpads...

Interesting that SteamOS used to just be a barely repurposed Ubuntu and now it's ArchLinux running KDE with Proton and everything built for its own distribution like this. They've really been tinkering with this since the SteamBoxes.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: remy on July 21, 2021, 07:44:50 PM
Seems it'll be running KDE Plasma (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/KDE_Plasma_5.21_Breeze_Twilight_screenshot.png) which seems pretty easy to use for such times one would want to interact with the rest of the OS.
Oh, then it'll be pretty darn easy to install/tweak stuff in a Windows-like environment if need be.

Like for RetroArch, you would just need to install the snap store (if it's not already installed by Valve), then it's one click to install RetroArch from that. (Then just add a shortcut in Steam and you could stay in big picture mode or whatever.) All the emulator cores you grab from inside RetroArch, so you'd never have to leave a controller based interface except to install the snap store and since the Deck has those touchpads...

Interesting that SteamOS used to just be a barely repurposed Ubuntu and now it's ArchLinux running KDE with Proton and everything built for its own distribution like this. They've really been tinkering with this since the SteamBoxes.

You don't even really have to do that because retroarch is on steam. you can just install it directly from steam and then you're good to go. Then you just put your roms on your SD card or whatever, like any other device on earth
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2021, 07:48:16 PM
RetroArch on Steam is in a weird position, it only has ten cores available and it's not available to everyone. Hopefully this will change with SteamDeck though. But yeah, that would be the ideal situation.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: remy on July 21, 2021, 07:57:35 PM
Ahh didn't know that. just saw over the page that you were already aware.

Oh well. it's not like typing "pacman -S retroarch" into terminal is hard. :doge It is funny seeing how many gamers online have no clue about linux. i forget not everyone is a supernerd like me
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 21, 2021, 09:53:05 PM
Like benji said, the retroarch situation on steam is some sort of weird half assed beta? When I saw it initially I was like, "why the fuck would retroarch want to be on steam anyway?" but I immediately had a eureka moment when I learned the steam deck will be running steam OS out of the box. If they CAN get everything running nice through steam, great. If not, whatever, there will be a million and one ways to get emus running on this thing.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 23, 2021, 03:30:46 PM
Some good info in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dd_bazOYOY
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 25, 2021, 11:30:35 AM
https://youtu.be/efD2wAfhXrU

Looks like things are better now compared to the last time I tried it, but the load times are noticeably longer on some games.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 25, 2021, 12:07:39 PM
16GB is going to help a lot with this.
Maybe they'll use smart memory access for an additional boost.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 28, 2021, 04:08:52 PM
So in terms of like Linux/SteamOS support, I just noticed that FF1-6 Pixel Remasters don't have Linux/SteamOS support so they won't run on Steam Deck at this moment. Apparently 0 FF games on Steam have Mac or Linux support. Lol SE.

Which is ridiculous for simple 2d stuff like this.

Hopefully Valve can really "make all Steam games compatible" by Steam Deck's release like they are touting.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on July 28, 2021, 04:22:13 PM
The ff games seem to run fine via proton.

https://www.protondb.com/search?q=Final%20fantasy

The pixel ones havenít been tested yet, but Iíd be shocked if they didnít run.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 28, 2021, 04:25:51 PM
Didn't the pixel remasters just come out? There's probably not enough data on the proton compatibility with them just yet but I can't imagine it will be hard to get them to work
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: MMaRsu on August 06, 2021, 01:34:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRlDEnhJHL0
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 06, 2021, 01:57:10 PM
Looks like a bunch of different outlets got access to it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SElZABp5M3U
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2021, 09:09:22 PM
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/1426324572626845697
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2021, 04:47:43 PM
https://twitter.com/afrouhhh/status/1450168156908138497
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: D3RANG3D on October 20, 2021, 04:52:21 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 21, 2021, 08:24:53 AM
the weak chin on giant dad sim has me :rofl
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 21, 2021, 09:49:57 AM
https://twitter.com/afrouhhh/status/1450168156908138497

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUo1PgKksgw
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on October 21, 2021, 11:34:43 AM
https://twitter.com/afrouhhh/status/1450168156908138497

Thought that was a 'shop, but those games are real :lol
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: D3RANG3D on November 03, 2021, 12:28:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/35arKIH.gif)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Svejk on November 10, 2021, 03:56:49 PM
Quote
ďWeíre sorry about thisówe did our best to work around the global supply chain issues, but due to material shortages, components arenít reaching our manufacturing facilities in time for us to meet our initial launch dates,Ē Valve wrote. ďBased on our updated build estimates, Steam Deck will start shipping to customers February 2022. This will be the new start date of the reservation queueóall reservation holders keep their place in line but dates will shift back accordingly.Ē
:doge
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on November 10, 2021, 07:12:25 PM
I was already Q2 so it's vaporware to me until I have one /shrug
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: chronovore on November 18, 2021, 10:55:50 PM
Blah, blah, supply chain, blahÖ
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on February 04, 2022, 11:27:01 AM
https://twitter.com/carygolomb/status/1489413836541247489

Apple and IBM.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 04, 2022, 01:16:11 PM
That is BIG.

Steam Deck Lite when? :doge
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on February 04, 2022, 01:22:50 PM
Yeah, my main worry is that it's gonna be too big.

Switch size is just about the max a handheld should be.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: benjipwns on February 04, 2022, 01:36:41 PM
https://twitter.com/carygolomb/status/1489413836541247489

Apple and IBM.
(https://i.imgur.com/tOpPTDd.png)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: benjipwns on February 04, 2022, 01:39:29 PM
Oh, he did that one :lol
https://twitter.com/carygolomb/status/1489415285916553225

Also Lynx is the surprising winnar:
https://twitter.com/carygolomb/status/1489411208029560838
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Svejk on February 04, 2022, 01:55:58 PM
Gimme dat phat and thicc hog of a handheld.   :phil
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on February 04, 2022, 03:43:20 PM
Gimme dat phat and thicc hog of a handheld.   :phil

Got u bro

(https://images.nintendolife.com/6458be80e27e9/so-long-old-friend.large.jpg)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 04, 2022, 03:49:11 PM
I like how the Lynx was almost as a big as a Steam Deck and it has like a 2.4in screen.  :whatisthis
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Svejk on February 04, 2022, 03:50:01 PM
Gimme dat phat and thicc hog of a handheld.   :phil

Got u bro

(https://images.nintendolife.com/6458be80e27e9/so-long-old-friend.large.jpg)
:lawd
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 04, 2022, 03:51:55 PM
Yeah, my main worry is that it's gonna be too big.

Switch size is just about the max a handheld should be.

Looks like it's about the size of a Switch with Hori split joycons attached.  So that should be comfortable, but about as portable as a small laptop!  Guess it depends on how light the Deck is.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: thetylerrob on February 04, 2022, 05:49:13 PM
The Switch is sized for babbies, only big dick chad gamers will be playing on The Deckô

Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 04, 2022, 07:06:15 PM
I like how the Lynx was almost as a big as a Steam Deck and it has like a 2.4in screen.  :whatisthis

Waiting for someone to edit Steamdecks into old Lynx commercials!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LuOQ8eh26g
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Svejk on February 04, 2022, 07:10:22 PM
The Switch is sized for babbies, only big dick chad gamers will be playing on The Deckô
The console wars are about to get served balls deep with a fat steamy deck!

If only my kids would let me, I'd sell all my Switch shit to get one of these without batting an eye... Then play yuzu on that piece piece.  8)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 07, 2022, 01:27:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxKd0nr6uYw

Looking really good!
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on February 07, 2022, 02:35:20 PM
Linux Gaming finally has its moment. :lawd
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on February 07, 2022, 03:19:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZ4POvk14c

+
GPU blows competitors out of the water
Speakers are great
Battery life is great
Half the fucking price of competitors (it basically has no competition)
More games at launch than any other console in history
SD card loading actually fast

-
Haptics aren't great
A bit wide

+/-
Some software issues and bugs
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Drainage on February 07, 2022, 03:33:10 PM
For all the talk of 1.5 hours of battery on DMC V uncapped Ultra settings it would be interesting to see the battery life results running at low/medium settings capped to 30. Maybe 4 hours?
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on February 08, 2022, 10:07:20 AM
Legitimately thinking of picking one of these up at the end of the year and just using it like I use my Switch, aka 95% docked.

Just give me that stable target hardware and Valve hardware-software integration :obama

Never been a min-maxer :yeshrug

Edit- I'm also never going back to Windows. Ever.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 08, 2022, 10:40:56 AM
Legitimately thinking of picking one of these up at the end of the year and just using it like I use my Switch, aka 95% docked.

Just give me that stable target hardware and Valve hardware-software integration :obama

Never been a min-maxer :yeshrug

Edit- I'm also never going back to Windows. Ever.


Some games might not look all that great on a bigger screen, if that matters.  One thing I have yet to try with my GPD handheld PCs is the mClassic- actually could really help to make things look a lot better blown-up.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on February 08, 2022, 10:51:33 AM
My TV's still 1080p, I think I'll be OK. :P
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: headwalk on February 08, 2022, 10:54:23 AM
if there was a version that was just a home streaming deck and offered WiiU like latency from your home rig, i'd be on it in a second.

Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 08, 2022, 11:00:29 AM
My TV's still 1080p, I think I'll be OK. :P

These handhelds are targeting 720P or lower.  When you blow them up, the flaws of the low graphics settings really start to show. 
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on February 08, 2022, 11:14:12 AM
if there was a version that was just a home streaming deck and offered WiiU like latency from your home rig, i'd be on it in a second.

They made that years ago I thought.

(https://i.imgur.com/OaOBp4R.jpg)

Edit-

Quote
Valve discontinued the Steam Link hardware device in November 2018, in favor of supporting its software-based Steam Link application for mobile devices and smart televisions, as well as providing Steam Link as a software package for the Raspberry Pi microcomputer.

RPi's are pretty cheap. I can vouch for the Android TV app, that's how I beat Omori.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: headwalk on February 08, 2022, 03:46:27 PM
if there was a version that was just a home streaming deck and offered WiiU like latency from your home rig, i'd be on it in a second.

They made that years ago I thought.

(https://i.imgur.com/OaOBp4R.jpg)

Edit-

Quote
Valve discontinued the Steam Link hardware device in November 2018, in favor of supporting its software-based Steam Link application for mobile devices and smart televisions, as well as providing Steam Link as a software package for the Raspberry Pi microcomputer.

RPi's are pretty cheap. I can vouch for the Android TV app, that's how I beat Omori.

streaming over wifi is always a bit shit and none of the hardware solutions are anything like as appealing as the steam deck. the wiiu had a latency of 33ms or something like that, even on a good connection the steam deck in streaming mode is around 130ms.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: chronovore on February 08, 2022, 08:25:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxKd0nr6uYw

Looking really good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZ4POvk14c

+
GPU blows competitors out of the water
Speakers are great
Battery life is great
Half the fucking price of competitors (it basically has no competition)
More games at launch than any other console in history
SD card loading actually fast

-
Haptics aren't great
A bit wide

+/-
Some software issues and bugs

Golly, I know I'm a curmudgeon, but I sure don't need to see YouTubers faces next to products they're fondling, having had nothing to do with their creation or success. I understand the statistics probably support human engagement, and these guys have to get their brand locked in to compete with the other mugs displayed across YT. I just don't like it.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 08, 2022, 08:40:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHIB07S60d8
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2022, 08:47:34 PM
Golly, I know I'm a curmudgeon, but I sure don't need to see YouTubers faces next to products they're fondling, having had nothing to do with their creation or success. I understand the statistics probably support human engagement, and these guys have to get their brand locked in to compete with the other mugs displayed across YT. I just don't like it.
Then I posit that the algorithm is broken or flawed as nothing makes me want to less engage with these humans than those thumbnails.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: headwalk on February 09, 2022, 05:46:23 AM
we're at the point where algorithms are learning from algorithms. a stupid robot AI recognises a big silly twat making a dumb face as being fun and expressive, so it pushes that video, that video gets popular as a result so the next evolution of stupid robot AI reinforces that bias and we get to a point of data incest where people making videos in line with the whims of an algo that has been fucking its cousins for 10 generations.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 09, 2022, 05:59:01 AM
at least they're not doing soy face :lol
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 10, 2022, 09:37:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzRGBAUz5mA
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: D3RANG3D on February 11, 2022, 10:30:21 PM
https://twitter.com/OnDeck/status/1492259379004854273

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/Pendleton115/status/1492262077817257990
[close]

https://twitter.com/carygolomb/status/1492208467976802306https://twitter.com/carygolomb/status/1492208467976802306

The absolute mad lad.  :lol
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Coax on February 12, 2022, 08:56:53 AM
It's surprising he managed to get two, considering much larger channels only received one. Probably the best person for it though.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 14, 2022, 11:30:17 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/som87v/gpd_steam_deck_is_worse_than_win_3_it_is_a_closed/

:cornette

GPD are not taking the impending Steam Deck launch well.

Quote
Don't kid yourself! The only reason Gabe created this product is to make a closed system, not to let you install Windows to play pirated games!

Quote
In the end, whether it's called the Steam Deck or Steam Deck XX, it's a closed system (capitalist will reveal its hideous face when there are enough users) and the hardware will prevent you from installing any third-party systems. You can only buy games from the Steam platform.

:woody
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Svejk on February 14, 2022, 12:17:52 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/som87v/gpd_steam_deck_is_worse_than_win_3_it_is_a_closed/

:cornette

GPD are not taking the impending Steam Deck launch well.

Quote
Don't kid yourself! The only reason Gabe created this product is to make a closed system, not to let you install Windows to play pirated games!

Quote
In the end, whether it's called the Steam Deck or Steam Deck XX, it's a closed system (capitalist will reveal its hideous face when there are enough users) and the hardware will prevent you from installing any third-party systems. You can only buy games from the Steam platform.

:woody
Until someone jailbreaks it?  :idont
But yeah, I can see them going this direction, if they want to compete with MS and Sony on the hardware front.  As long as they still have good sales and allow full fledged modding from Nexus/Vortex, I can see it working for them.

TEH PC WORZ!?!  :gddr5
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 14, 2022, 01:55:20 PM
Until someone jailbreaks it?  :idont
But yeah, I can see them going this direction, if they want to compete with MS and Sony on the hardware front.  As long as they still have good sales and allow full fledged modding from Nexus/Vortex, I can see it working for them.

its so antithetical to like... literally everything valve stands for, the only way I see that happening is if gabe dies and apple/ms/google buy the whole caboodle.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on February 14, 2022, 02:22:07 PM
Quote
let you install Windows

Ew. :era

Quote
to play pirated games!

Double ew. :wag

Quote
[Steam Deck is a] closed system

:crowdlaff
Title: Maybe I had some beers already
Post by: Tasty on February 14, 2022, 02:25:23 PM
:bow STEAM OS 3.0 :bow2

Linux :delicious

:piss Windows :piss2
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 14, 2022, 02:28:00 PM
Pirated games are only possible with the power of Windows 12!
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on February 14, 2022, 03:08:00 PM
What the hell is GPD?
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on February 14, 2022, 04:11:46 PM
What the hell is GPD?

Some weirdo commie handheld bork had a hard-on for a few months/years ago.
Title: Re: Maybe I had some beers already
Post by: Uncle on February 14, 2022, 05:01:24 PM
:bow STEAM OS 3.0 :bow2

Linux :delicious

:piss Windows :piss2

found something called Windows 10 Ameliorated that I want to try on Steamdeck  :shh

I like the idea of an ultra-stripped down install without telemetry or calling home crap that eats cycles and reduces battery life, while still being able to enjoy games on Windows with no fuss of tweaking Linux for it
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2022, 05:20:07 PM
Pretty sure you can play pirated games on Linux.

The whole point of basically everything Valve does is to make you not want to pirate games because Steam is that much easier.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 14, 2022, 10:23:07 PM
What the hell is GPD?

Some weirdo commie handheld bork had a hard-on for a few months/years ago.

Still do  :putin

Beps, they're a Chinese company who has been making both Android and Windows-based handhelds for quite some time- The Steam Deck is far from being the first of its kind. There's a lot of these devices out there. But this is the first arguably "big" handheld PC that's coming out, no pun about its size intended.

They make not only small gaming handheld devices, but also productivity oriented PCs too.  Sizes are all over the place- like the Win 3 is the size of a Switch Lite, but the Max is a "big boy" 8" laptop.  Here's a size comparison between the GPD Win 3 and the Steam Deck:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKt4wX0X0AAt540?format=jpg&name=large)

They're probably salty because the Steam Deck is going to cost a lot less than their gaming products and destroy their western sales, but I doubt the Deck will be much competition within China.

The comments about piracy are likely because a lot of games can't be purchased in China, but it's still all just dumb and hilarious coming from them.  I expect that the Steam Deck will also have much better QA in comparison, too.

If nothing else, I hope that the Steam Deck lights a fire under their asses and we see more competitely-priced products from GPD, Aya, OneX, etc. I'm not even quite sure why they're so angry. Some of their products like the GPD Max are actual laptop style machines with more I/O, more on board storage, and even options to use external GPUs. Plus they have keyboards (even the Win 3- it's a slide out touch keyboard, though).  You can do more with these machines than just play games, whereas the steam deck is very clearly oriented towards gaming, and with Steam OS, you're not going to be able to play games from Ubisoft Connect, Origin, Epic, Battle.Net, stuff purchased from GOG, etc., without installing the full Windows on there AFAIK.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 14, 2022, 10:27:34 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/som87v/gpd_steam_deck_is_worse_than_win_3_it_is_a_closed/

:cornette

GPD are not taking the impending Steam Deck launch well.

Quote
Don't kid yourself! The only reason Gabe created this product is to make a closed system, not to let you install Windows to play pirated games!

Quote
In the end, whether it's called the Steam Deck or Steam Deck XX, it's a closed system (capitalist will reveal its hideous face when there are enough users) and the hardware will prevent you from installing any third-party systems. You can only buy games from the Steam platform.

:woody
Until someone jailbreaks it?  :idont
But yeah, I can see them going this direction, if they want to compete with MS and Sony on the hardware front.  As long as they still have good sales and allow full fledged modding from Nexus/Vortex, I can see it working for them.

TEH PC WORZ!?!  :gddr5

Jailbreak? I'm pretty sure you can just install Windows on it, dude.  It's not something I plan to do with mine. Just going to stick with Steam OS.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Uncle on February 15, 2022, 06:18:15 AM
yeah from the very start valve have said you can throw windows on there, it's just a computer

I don't know whether drivers to make it all functional will be there day 1, but it's an enthusiast device, people will get it figured out shortly

personally I don't understand the hostility toward putting windows on it, not saying that's bork, I've just seen the sentiment all over the internet and I feel like it's unwarranted

linux will be great for many/most things, windows will be nice to have for things that run better under it, I think it's pretty much required for gamepass
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Coax on February 15, 2022, 07:39:09 AM
A major knock in my eyes to the GPD Win 2 and 3 is they shipped with malware for various units, for years. Somehow I've never seen this brought up in reviews or general awareness despite the subreddit being filled with topics and posts about it. One of their spokeswomen even laughed about it when a user posted that they expected the malware by now.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on February 15, 2022, 07:44:17 AM
Noooo you can't make products more cheap than the CCP sweatshops :six:

Big American Steam Deck crushes silly Chinese toy computers at half the price :gaben
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Rufus on February 15, 2022, 07:44:25 AM
A major knock in my eyes to the GPD Win 2 and 3 is they shipped with malware for various units, for years. Somehow I've never seen this brought up in reviews or general awareness despite the subreddit being filled with topics and posts about it. One of their spokeswomen even laughed about it when a user posted that they expected the malware by now.
:mindblown

Does everyone just wipe these things then?
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 15, 2022, 07:47:25 AM
A major knock in my eyes to the GPD Win 2 and 3 is they shipped with malware for various units, for years. Somehow I've never seen this brought up in reviews or general awareness despite the subreddit being filled with topics and posts about it. One of their spokeswomen even laughed about it when a user posted that they expected the malware by now.


I remember seeing this reported by a few people on Reddit and the GPD discord, but I want to say GPD had an explanation for it?  Can't quite remember.  I never got an infected unit, but I have experienced QA issues on some units.  I will say that GPD has made good and offered to fix hardware issues or have released driver/bios updates that fixed other problems.  The quality level has gone up with each new hardware release.  The last two units I got from them were fine- the Max initially had this "halo" effect on the screen where it was slightly brighter in a ring shape, but it wasn't that noticeable and it ended up resolving itself with use and the screen is now fine.  Didn't have any issues with the Win 3.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 15, 2022, 07:47:59 AM
A major knock in my eyes to the GPD Win 2 and 3 is they shipped with malware for various units, for years. Somehow I've never seen this brought up in reviews or general awareness despite the subreddit being filled with topics and posts about it. One of their spokeswomen even laughed about it when a user posted that they expected the malware by now.
:mindblown

Does everyone just wipe these things then?

A lot of people do just wipe them and start clean, yeah.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 15, 2022, 07:50:21 AM
yeah from the very start valve have said you can throw windows on there, it's just a computer

I don't know whether drivers to make it all functional will be there day 1, but it's an enthusiast device, people will get it figured out shortly

personally I don't understand the hostility toward putting windows on it, not saying that's bork, I've just seen the sentiment all over the internet and I feel like it's unwarranted

linux will be great for many/most things, windows will be nice to have for things that run better under it, I think it's pretty much required for gamepass

I don't have some kind of vendetta against Windows like Tasty does ( :P)- I just want to see how it works with Steam OS.  Am assuming without various Windows processes running it might make for better performance.  I buy the vast majority of my PC games on Steam so am good with it being "restricted," too.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Coax on February 15, 2022, 07:57:17 AM
:mindblown

This is the response I mentioned, edited to show their official GPD email linked from other profile posts. Taken from the pages I saved about it. There was no subsequent reply from them in that thread.

(https://abload.de/img/gpdtdjqs.png)

I remember seeing this reported by some people, but I want to say GPD had an explanation for it?  Can't quite remember.

I looked later last year through it all and didn't find any official explanation (edit: at least on Reddit). Some more charitable user speculation was customs installed the malware but that doesn't explain how other brands don't suffer from it.

Anyway, kind of off-topic but thought it was relevant given the comparison :P
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 15, 2022, 08:07:57 AM
You'll get way more info on discord than on reddit- I've emailed with Kendyz before and they were pretty nice and very helpful.
:idont
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 15, 2022, 08:26:20 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/gpdwin/comments/n5u1sy/yep_malware_found_on_gpd_win_3/

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When this happened to my Win Max, GPD (Kendy) said it was most likely caused by an infected USB drive used for QC. At his request, I experimented a bit, and was unable to make the infection reappear using their factory image. So the malware or worm is introduced after the fact, and not part of their image or driver packages.

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If memory serves, they use usb sticks loaded with software to do QC tests. The last time I heard of this, it was only some units, and they traced it back to 1 of the USB sticks was infected (so every computer it was used for QC on got infected).

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Windows Defender successfully finds and quarantines it

Maybe it's because they're using pirated games to do these tests?  :doge  But OK, now it makes sense why I didn't have any issues.  It's only on the units that were QC'd with infected drives.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Coax on February 15, 2022, 08:55:58 AM
Bit of a strange way for them to handle it if indeed the real responses to such incidents are tucked away in the Discord or only after users email them directly, given it'd been reported by users for a year and a half as of that thread. Perhaps it was convenient for rep damage if less were aware of it  :doge

There are also results from September and October last year where it units were found with it still but one might explain that as from old batch if the QC issue is to be believed.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Svejk on February 15, 2022, 10:35:01 AM
                 (https://i.imgur.com/D1hHOCT.jpg)
 :salute
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 15, 2022, 11:18:01 AM
Bit of a strange way for them to handle it if indeed the real responses to such incidents are tucked away in the Discord or only after users email them directly, given it'd been reported by users for a year and a half as of that thread. Perhaps it was convenient for rep damage if less were aware of it  :doge

There are also results from September and October last year where it units were found with it still but one might explain that as from old batch if the QC issue is to be believed.

To clarify, I don't think the GPD people are on the discord. But there's just way more active users and more info coming from there than Reddit.

One of the comments mentioned an apology but I couldn't find it.  I don't think they really care TBH.  They were clearly getting enough sales. That's why I'm so interested in seeing what happens with the Deck- my guess is that kind of mentality is not going to fly anymore.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Uncle on February 15, 2022, 01:10:39 PM
what level of retro gaming does the GPD get up to? can you play anything up to N64/PS1 flawlessly, after that it gets sketchy, something along those lines?
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Svejk on February 15, 2022, 02:20:45 PM
what level of retro gaming does the GPD get up to? can you play anything up to N64/PS1 flawlessly, after that it gets sketchy, something along those lines?
It can run Yuzu just fine....  :win

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0BA8WGWfbo
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 15, 2022, 08:02:53 PM
https://youtu.be/wxcQFq3k9XI
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 23, 2022, 09:02:25 AM
https://store.steampowered.com/steamdeck/mygames

steam deck library compat checker
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on February 23, 2022, 04:26:30 PM
Finally a first-party solution that doesn't require a public profile. 👏

For me:

10 verified (The Evil Within 1 huh? neat)
7 playable (including the ones I care most about, Master Duel and Omori)
1 unsupported (Friday the 13th, probably a combo of online/DRM stuff and the dev being legally unable to patch it themselves)
56 untested

:obama
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 23, 2022, 08:56:12 PM
https://store.steampowered.com/steamdeck/mygames

steam deck library compat checker

Hmm.  A lot less are listed as compatible than I expected.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 24, 2022, 07:17:59 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/VQAtCNQ.png)

:foodcourt


Hmm.  A lot less are listed as compatible than I expected.

Their criteria for 'works perfect' seems to actually be 'works perfect', so I'm not that worried tbh - these are the reasons Team Fortress 2 is listed as only partially compatible:
(https://i.imgur.com/8aKxXYL.png)


:trumps

This is Slay The Spires entry:
(https://i.imgur.com/vEfkEUW.png)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: chronovore on February 25, 2022, 01:53:52 AM
Is anyone still playing TF2? Is Steam updating the game at all? I thought it was a wild-west kinda Mos Eisley bed for cheaters and Russian spies or something.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 25, 2022, 05:57:55 AM
Is anyone still playing TF2? Is Steam updating the game at all? I thought it was a wild-west kinda Mos Eisley bed for cheaters and Russian spies or something.

I haven't played it in years, but its still in the Top 10 most played games available on Steam (https://store.steampowered.com/stats/) :idont
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: chronovore on February 25, 2022, 06:19:26 AM
Is anyone still playing TF2? Is Steam updating the game at all? I thought it was a wild-west kinda Mos Eisley bed for cheaters and Russian spies or something.

I haven't played it in years, but its still in the Top 10 most played games available on Steam (https://store.steampowered.com/stats/) :idont

I didnít mean to imply that it hasnít been played, or isnít still popular, itís what crowd is playing it and to what purpose?

On the 360, the Uno game was more of a chat roulette kind of thing, where players would just drop in and hang out and chat with each other and kill time. I understand that TF2 is rife with soviet players, and lots of people hacking the game with aimbots and stuff.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 25, 2022, 06:29:46 AM
Its still a pretty solidly designed multiplayer FPS, and its also F2P, so I'd say its niche is probably teens mixing it up between their Fortnite and their Destiny.

Also as it predates the whole XBL style 'matchmaking only, no custom servers' fad, and has an honest-to-goodness old fashioned server browser, presumably people find servers with active admins to kick obvious cheaters / bots and favorite them
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Uncle on February 25, 2022, 02:59:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXIOuUUZO2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44TRzEGPbfE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw54nB5BQpM
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on February 25, 2022, 09:27:42 PM
https://youtu.be/zxcvwuaXC_w
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Uncle on February 27, 2022, 08:04:59 AM
Gabe Newell is going around hand-delivering Steam Decks in Washington state

https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/t2dzar/gabe_newell_delivered_and_autographed_my_steam/

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Saw a camera crew going up to my neighbors house while I was loading stuff into my truck. My roommate recognized the guy being followed as Gaben, I didn't believe him, our other roommate then verified it was indeed Gabe. After delivering my neighbor's Deck, we yelled "Hi Gabe!". At which point he asked how many were living in the house, then he went back to his van and grabbed us each a Deck. Was also filmed receiving ours so I assume these will be used in some promo or online. Very cool day.

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So Gabe was just giving away free Decks to people who didn't even order them?

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Pretty much, my neighbor had pre-ordered one but I don't think they charged him for the one he was delivered. My roommates and I didn't order anything and each got one though. Right place right time sorta thing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/t2fmg0/gaben_showed_up_at_my_house_and_delivered_my/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/t2kt9t/gabe_newell_going_around_the_seattle_area_hand/

(https://i.imgur.com/dtjqGOI.png)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: chronovore on February 27, 2022, 07:20:42 PM
Holy crap, Gabe really is Santa!
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Beezy on March 01, 2022, 11:00:43 AM
https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1498688819335348224
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Svejk on March 01, 2022, 11:07:28 AM
Holy crap, Gabe really is Santa!
Dood is looking more like he's about to leave a bomb at your doorstep.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 10:15:32 AM
Valve made a game:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1902490/Aperture_Desk_Job/
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Sho Nuff on March 05, 2022, 08:00:24 AM
Itís a cute tech demo. You can play it on PC using only a gamepad, they hack out the Steam Deck specific features if youíre not playing it on that
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on March 09, 2022, 08:05:09 AM
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/03/how-valve-made-steam-deck-the-first-pc-to-smoothly-run-elden-ring/

Elden Ring now runs better on the Steam Deck than $1000+ PCs.

Da powa of Linux gaming 8)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on March 09, 2022, 08:13:55 AM
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/03/how-valve-made-steam-deck-the-first-pc-to-smoothly-run-elden-ring/

Elden Ring now runs better on the Steam Deck than $1000+ PCs.

Da powa of Linux gaming 8)


Pretty sure this was fixed like a week ago?  Haven't noticed any stutter lately.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on March 11, 2022, 12:30:07 AM
https://twitter.com/OnDeck/status/1501982693231251459
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on March 11, 2022, 07:12:33 PM
https://twitter.com/OnDeck/status/1501982693231251459

(https://i.imgur.com/NtHCpIg.jpg)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: BikeJesus on March 11, 2022, 07:27:48 PM
Got my 512GB unit a few hours ago. It's fantastic.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 13, 2022, 02:15:43 PM
https://twitter.com/OnDeck/status/1501982693231251459

(https://i.imgur.com/IUZXJV4.png)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on March 13, 2022, 05:35:13 PM
💯
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Uncle on March 14, 2022, 09:24:33 AM
a true proponent of freedom of use for your own hardware would never criticize others for doing whatever they want with it, for their own convenience, or just for fun

I will install Windows 3.1 on my Steam Deck and I will play SkiFree and Castle of the Winds  :hmph
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Uncle on March 14, 2022, 09:33:50 AM
tho to be honest this is amazing and will be the first thing I do

https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/t79fqj/formatted_my_sd_card_to_btrfs_managed_to_squeeze/

a 1 TB card that effectively ends up working out to being 1.4 TB  :drool


I'm reading that this may actually be better for performance too, because SD cards are slow media so it's faster to read a small file and decompress it than to read an uncompressed large file
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 16, 2022, 08:16:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1HuX2_Hhss
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Uncle on March 17, 2022, 07:23:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/upY01Jd.png)

 :doge
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 07:40:53 PM
 :gaben
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on March 17, 2022, 10:05:17 PM
LINUX :rejoice
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2022, 09:43:05 PM
Microsoft's in:
https://twitter.com/CJGluckstein/status/1504874456300154884
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/03/stadia-xbox-cloud-gaming-finally-work-on-steam-deck-thanks-to-microsoft-edge/
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on March 18, 2022, 09:45:26 PM
 :birdman
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Uncle on March 19, 2022, 08:25:56 PM
holy shit Linux is fucking awful and every moment trying to do anything in it is excruciating

I set myself one simple task: play Super Smash Bros Melee in the Steam version of RetroArch

I want to use Steam RetroArch instead of native RetroArch as a non-Steam game for the sake of cloud saves and other Steam-related conveniences, it's nice, it should work

I install Steam RetroArch and Dolphin is not among its DLC cores, you can't just run it out of the box

so I look around online for how to add non-official cores to the Steam version, and find out that the easiest way to do this is to install regular RetroArch on your computer and then copy the cores over

I already have RetroArch installed so I grab Dolphin and put the files on a flash drive, and connect it to the Deck...it turns out Windows cores are .dll files and Linux cores are .so files, now that's my own dumb mistake for assuming any files could make the jump between Win and Linux

so I have to install Linux RetroArch to use those cores instead, and I do this through Discover which uses Flatpak

along the way I am poking around at SteamOS's Linux and either it's Valve's fault or KDE's fault or Debian(? Arch Linux?) or some combination of everything, but it just feels buggy as hell with a million little imperfections, like when I open Steam's virtual keyboard for some reason it mirrors a chunk of the desktop elsewhere for a second before the actual keyboard drops into place, and every few minutes I keep getting pop ups that my internet connection disconnected and then immediately reconnected, and the directory structure for everything is completely bonkers

I have to google where the working directory of RetroArch actually is, I can't even find it right now, I think the app is located at var/lib/flatpak/exports/share/applications?  what the fuck is being exported or shared here? and then there are a million satellite folders to get lost in which lead nowhere like var/lib/flatpak/app/org.libretro.RetroArch/x86_64/stable/active/files etc. etc.

ok wait I just found it again, the actual place is home/.var/app/org.libretro.RetroArch/config/RetroArch/cores, again what is the deal with this path?  config?  this isn't a folder with a couple configuration options, it's the whole damn program with your downloads and screenshots and save files and everything

meanwhile guess where RetroArch installed by default on Windows? C:\RetroArch-Win64, and literally everything is right there with no fuss

so I go in there and I copy dolphin_libretro.so over to...googling again...run/media/mmcblk0p1/steamapps and I can find Steam's RetroArch from there, and paste it in

games still don't work, it appears that RetroArch has no idea what the core actually is or what files are associated with it, so I do some more research online and find out that I need .info files alongside the cores to provide that info, and I find a helpful link to https://github.com/libretro/libretro-core-info as a mirror of those needed files

so I download it and put it where it needs to go and it still doesn't work, which has to do with github not being that simple to download from, instead I need the raw text of the file saved into a .info file, so I click the button to copy the raw text and THAT doesn't work, some unspecified error

well I don't want to do text editing on the Deck with a virtual keyboard anyway so I figure what I probably should've done in the first place is get the .info files from the existing Linux install and put them in the Steam install, so I go looking for them and they're not there

where the fuck are the info files, again I reiterate on Windows they are simply located at C:\RetroArch-Win64\info

but when I go to home/.var/app/org.libretro.RetroArch/config/RetroArch there is no info folder

so I open RetroArch to look in the directories section

by the way you can't do anything but mouse around and click unless you have Steam's interface actively open to somehow enable other buttons to work, like those in RetroArch, and half the time it gets stuck and just won't fucking open at all so you're boned, again is this Valve's fault?  Linux's fault?

I restart the Deck so I can actually open Steam so I can actually push buttons within RetroArch, and then I get to the directories section

(https://i.imgur.com/TrN69BI.png)

oh ok it's in app/share/libretro/info

except it's not, there is no root app folder

what the fuck is this file path?

I use search functions to look for app/share, oh I guess you can't do that, ok I just search for app then, oh there are a bunch of those and none of them are the right one

I google around and I find this page describing my problem: https://github.com/flathub/org.libretro.RetroArch/issues/102

Quote
But if I look for something like /app/share/libretro/info, I can't find anything under ~/.var/app that's even remotely like it.

Which suggests to me that these things probably aren't expected to live under ~/.var/app at all.

I then looked in my users whole home directory and something like /app/share/libretro/assets/ seems to have something much more like a match under:
~/.local/share/flatpak/app/org.libretro.RetroArch/x86_64/stable/a437b0ef4eb1f1563d84a8ec881b9f19eb9fb84c06b35ecafe4ce85d5aad918a/files/share/libretro/assets

I looked at a few more and they also seem to have matching things under ~/.local/share/flatpak/app/org.libretro.RetroArch/x86_64/stable/a437b0ef4eb1f1563d84a8ec881b9f19eb9fb84c06b35ecafe4ce85d5aad918a/files

oh ok so when Linux says files are located in one path they're actually in a completely fucking different place, I see

except I don't have the path this guy has, when I check home/Deck/.local/flatpak I hit a complete dead end, there's no app folder there

so I fuck around for another while and finally discover where the .info files are located

they are in var/lib/flatpak/app/org.libretro.RetroArch/x86_64/stable/[shitload of numbers and letters]/files/share/libretro/info

so easy to find!  Linux is a joy to use!

I copy the Dolphin .info file to Steam's RetroArch, and then Dolphin works

except I had a minor panic because it ran super shitty until I realized it's because I locked the Deck to 30 FPS and emulators need to run at 60

this whole process took 1 minute in Windows, and hours of fucking around in Linux

 :wow
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on March 19, 2022, 09:18:38 PM
hey, at least you got it working in the end.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: remy on March 19, 2022, 09:42:15 PM
imagine using the flatpak versino of retroarch  ::)
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on March 19, 2022, 11:17:15 PM
Flatpak is the future of Linux (https://i.imgur.com/OZwMI.gif)







































That said, right now Flatpak leaves something to be desired in certain specific cases. :P
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on March 19, 2022, 11:22:17 PM
Seeing the "Console gamers are scrubs! What's so hard about tweaking an INI file?" crowd meet the "Linux is too complicated for PC gaming!" crowd has been pretty wild.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2022, 12:02:30 AM
The Steam RetroArch (on both OSes) is so weirdly behind the regular one that I don't even see the point if you don't want to only use the emulators it has available. That said, RetroArch itself has a problem of sprawling all over the place like this on Linux, even the "normal" versions don't put everything you need in proper locations like THE FUCKING USER FOLDER and I think it remains another frankly baffling RetroArch decision to not let you open to the folder from inside the program because it would "break the full screen experience" like fuck you, if I'm taking the step of wanting to open directly to the folder you decided to throw all your junk into I know I'm breaking the experience because you're making me paste shit or edit files already to fix something. Then there's shit like how it won't recognize certain file types and literally nothing in the program tells you this, so your easy iso rip of some game you actually own is somehow illegitimate and you have to find a specific pack out there on the internet that might not even have any seeds.

It can make you feel like siding with the people who claim RetroArch is the worst thing to ever happen to emulation and needs to be banned by the FCC.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Uncle on March 20, 2022, 06:34:30 PM
even though the experience is riddled with bugs here and there, and there will be moments of getting hard locked and needing to hold down the power button, it's still awesome to play graphically intensive modern games on this thing

the most common problems in my experience will be suddenly having no buttons do anything, almost all the major issues I've had have been related to the buttons not being mapped at various times, or mapped to dumb configurations, or having your right pad mouse control cut out and then eventually return

these problems are also usually related to fucking game launchers like Rockstar Social Club or the initial windows that pop up before you get into a Bethesda game

also, I played some Playstation games for a few hours which have confirm as circle, and my thumb got really cramped, there's not really a good way to hold it and have B as your primary button for extended periods of time
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Polident Hive on April 22, 2022, 01:34:21 AM
One of those nights I find myself watching videos of the Steam Deck, tempted to impulse buy. Maybe it’s good I can’t.

Whatever ergonomic woes it has, it can’t be worse than the GPD Win. Cool device dropping at the start of these handheld pc boom. Unpleasant to use.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on April 22, 2022, 07:32:36 AM
One of those nights I find myself watching videos of the Steam Deck, tempted to impulse buy. Maybe itís good I canít.

Whatever ergonomic woes it has, it canít be worse than the GPD Win. Cool device dropping at the start of these handheld pc boom. Unpleasant to use.

Can't say I found any GPD model unpleasant to use- they keep improving the ergonomics, too.  But QA is another story.  :lol :-\
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Polident Hive on April 22, 2022, 12:25:26 PM
Itís a couple things with my GPD Win 1. Placement and quality of buttons, heat and fan exhaust, no good grip. Of what Iíve used, Win 2 has improvements in every area. And to its credit, it remains the smallest of all these devices.

The type of design the Steam Deck went with appeals to me more.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on April 22, 2022, 02:51:24 PM
One of those nights I find myself watching videos of the Steam Deck, tempted to impulse buy. Maybe itís good I canít.

Whatever ergonomic woes it has, it canít be worse than the GPD Win. Cool device dropping at the start of these handheld pc boom. Unpleasant to use.

What's the delivery window for new orders at this point?

I pre-ordered in the first hour or two and I'm still Q3 2022.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on April 23, 2022, 04:34:34 PM
Itís a couple things with my GPD Win 1. Placement and quality of buttons, heat and fan exhaust, no good grip. Of what Iíve used, Win 2 has improvements in every area. And to its credit, it remains the smallest of all these devices.

The type of design the Steam Deck went with appeals to me more.

The problem with the Win 2 was bad hinge design.  Very high chance it would break- I took really good care of mine and it still happened.  Had to have the whole outer shell replaced and I never used it much after that since I worried it would just break again.  I sold it off to get a Win Max in 2020 and that, while much larger, has a sturdier and better design, plus a better d-pad and buttons.  Also got a Win 3 last year and it went back to a smaller form factor (about the size of a Switch Lite) with the same excellent d-pad and buttons.  Am tempted to sell both models off and get the Win Max 2021 (the new model coming out is going to be even larger and that's just getting ridiculous) instead, but I dunno.  I see myself likely just using the Steam Deck when I get it and not bothering with GPD anymore.  Guess we'll see.  I do like that they're back on the mini-laptop clamshell design, but the increased costs and larger sizes make them seem pointless.  Might as well just get a 14" ASUS or Razer laptop for a bit more.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Polident Hive on April 24, 2022, 07:08:18 PM
I've come to dislike clamshell designs, for my personal usage. Less traveling and more I want to play this outside my office. Go on my balcony and play.

Been keeping an eye on the Aya or Ayn Odin. There's an Aya and an Ayn making these. Android, but with enough juice to do Gamecube and maybe Maximo on PS2. Like the Steam Deck, it's not readily available.

One of those nights I find myself watching videos of the Steam Deck, tempted to impulse buy. Maybe itís good I canít.

Whatever ergonomic woes it has, it canít be worse than the GPD Win. Cool device dropping at the start of these handheld pc boom. Unpleasant to use.

What's the delivery window for new orders at this point?

I pre-ordered in the first hour or two and I'm still Q3 2022.

It's vaguely post-Q3 2022. Likely 2023.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on April 25, 2022, 07:26:37 AM
I like the clamshell style for the touchpad and keyboard, plus screen protection when closed.

Aya seems to be the new king of having a new device every other month, lol.  They have a new device coming out that is a bit smaller than the Switch Lite- and about as thin!
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Uncle on April 27, 2022, 09:48:55 AM
One of those nights I find myself watching videos of the Steam Deck, tempted to impulse buy. Maybe itís good I canít.

Whatever ergonomic woes it has, it canít be worse than the GPD Win. Cool device dropping at the start of these handheld pc boom. Unpleasant to use.

What's the delivery window for new orders at this point?

I pre-ordered in the first hour or two and I'm still Q3 2022.

yeah at this point there's no such thing as impulse buying a (non-scalped) steam deck  :doge

I wasn't sure I wanted one at the moment preorders went up but I figured eh, it's 5 bucks and no commitment, and it turned out I reserved at the perfect time
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on April 29, 2022, 05:05:49 AM
I'm very happy with my Steamdeck.
It just keeps getting better. They added variable refresh rates yesterday. You can lock both the game and screen at any framerate like 40 or 50fps without jank :rejoice
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: MMaRsu on April 29, 2022, 07:53:52 AM
Our savior Nintex has returneth  :rejoice
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on May 03, 2022, 06:03:45 PM
Got the Megaman Zero collection. Works like a charm on my giant Gameboy.

Then tried Max Payne 3  :gun
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Akala on May 05, 2022, 03:34:20 PM
Just got mail on a bit ago, I was kind of flip flopping but decided to pull trigger on.  :yeshrug
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on May 13, 2022, 07:51:56 AM
https://www.humblebundle.com/games/handheld-pc-power-bundle

I'm trying to work out what behind the scenes intrigues are occurring that Humble would release a "Specifically For Steamdeck" bundle, but then also decide to at no point whatsoever use the words "steam" or "Steamdeck" anywhere in the promotional material  :lol
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on June 23, 2022, 03:40:46 PM
Just got the email and purchased the 512 GB Steam Deck!

:phil
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on June 25, 2022, 07:44:24 AM
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Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on June 30, 2022, 04:28:04 PM
This thing is the O.G. Xbox "duke" controller of handhelds- can't believe how huge it is.  :lol

But it's really light and very comfortable to hold.  Very impressed.

The one negative to me, so far, is the desktop mode.  It doesn't seem as smooth as it should be.  The touch controls and mouse-touchpad thing don't work well here and even a mouse I paired up wasn't working as well.  They need to work on this.  Fortunately, I don't really see this being a big problem for most people.  I'm just using it to copy game files over.  But the GPD devices spank it in this area- those are full-on Windows PCs in a handheld form factor.  With the Steam Deck, I get more of a "handheld gaming system that happens to have a Linux desktop" feel from it.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on June 30, 2022, 10:38:05 PM
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/819RXGVeYmS._AC_SL1500_.jpg)
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/714fpEOzt0S._AC_SL1500_.jpg)

I have this Satechi portable stand/dock that I got on sale when I got my iPad a few months ago.  That got sold off, but I kept the stand since it works with pretty much everything, including the Steam Deck.  It fits perfect on top of it and the USB-C cable from the dock is just long enough to plug into the top of the unit.  This dock is pretty pricey at $99, but it is pretty high quality and almost looks like it was made for this thing.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on June 30, 2022, 10:42:07 PM
Tried playing some Elden Ring.  Went through a dungeon and cleared it out/killed the bosses at the end.  The game defaulted to everything on max settings and 720P.  Ran so smoothly and looked so much better than it does running on the GPD Win 3.  I was getting so into it that I kind of zoned out and forgot I was staring at a handheld for a minute, lol.  This thing is amazing.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 01, 2022, 05:53:46 PM
Yes, the power of this thing is absolutely mind blowing. It also has to be the first device that pretty much everyone I talked to is happy with.
In fact for most people (including myself) it shattered expectations.

If you want a cheap stand for your Deck pull out the Wii U box, the Steamdeck fits perfectly in the Wii U GamePad cradle
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 01, 2022, 06:28:19 PM
Sounds great!

Now that they've started doubling their shipping amounts, maybe my Q3 will get shipped soon. /fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 02, 2022, 03:09:15 PM
Yes, the power of this thing is absolutely mind blowing. It also has to be the first device that pretty much everyone I talked to is happy with.
In fact for most people (including myself) it shattered expectations.

Yup- My only issues with it are things with the desktop mode. Some of the ways It works just don't gel with me.  I also ran into a problem copying over game files from an SSD. I don't know what happened but it acted as if everything copied over and the file sizes were correct, but none of these games were recognized as existing files. When I tried to install the games. I had to go back into the OS and delete these files outright, which wasn't a big problem until I ran into an error message saying that one of the game files was too large to be moved to the trash. Found out you have to go into the settings and enable a delete option to just permanently delete things. Why would this not be there by default? Kind of a headscratcher.  And then another game which I thought I deleted still had its files on the SSD and when I tried to move the install from the microSD over to the SSD, Steam OS told me it couldn't do it because of the existing files. No option to overwrite. But again all of this doesn't really matter when it comes to using it as its intended to and playing games.

That said, I'm very glad that this is all available. I was checking out videos to see what games work and what don't and ran across one for samurai Warriors 5 which I saw initially didn't work. Someone found a way to get it to work using a certain version of proton that you download and install.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 03, 2022, 04:14:40 PM
Nice to see people putting up videos like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZIXu8ZrjW8

Got the latest compatible protonGU 7-24 and Samurai Warriors 5 boots right up and works at full 720P resolution at 60 FPS with all settings on high.  The Switch version in comparison is an unstable 30-ish so this is a nice upgrade.

Had a friend come over last night and check out the Steam Deck.  I put Mortal Kombat 11 on there for him since he wanted to see it running- the game size is so bloated, at 109 GB, that I had to install it on a micro SD card, which took forever.  I dunno how it ran, but he quit out of it pretty quickly and tried to play Cyberpunk, which wouldn't load.  I force quit out of it and we tried again- the sound was all crackly and the speed was slow as hell, then it locked up.  I tried to force the system to reboot and nothing happened...thought it got bricked for a second there, but eventually it restarted itself.  I dunno if MK11 had anything to do with it (maybe running it off the SD card was too much and the thermals got too high?), but I verified the local files and Cyberpunk is back to normal again. Weirdness.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 04, 2022, 01:50:46 PM
Yooo, I just got the pre-order alert pop up.

That extra production kicking in. Will join y'all soon. Good way to check out all these steam sales games I picked up.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 04, 2022, 02:18:55 PM
Looking through my library compatibility on ProtonDB, super impressed. Like 99% are native or platinum or gold. Only a few are unplayable and they're almost all FMV games.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 04, 2022, 03:03:18 PM
Looking through my library compatibility on ProtonDB, super impressed. Like 99% are native or platinum or gold. Only a few are unplayable and they're almost all FMV games.

Steam Deck seems to have a real problem with movies in games for some reason, but the workaround I posted earlier for Samurai Warriors 5 may apply to those games, too.  Someone on Twitter mentioned to me that he couldn't play Chrono Trigger because the game crashes whenever it gets to the anime cut scenes.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 04, 2022, 03:07:16 PM
Unrelated to Steam Deck, but GPD is going to start crowdfunding for their Max 2 Windows-based "handheld" (it's a 10" laptop) in a few days.  The tier most people are likely going to get is $1000:

WIN Max 2 (6800U+16GB+1TB), crowdfunding price: $999, retail price: $1159.

I think I'm sitting this one out.  It should out-perform the Steam Deck, but it won't have that level of support in both software and QC.  Admittedly, it is still tempting to sell off my other two GPD devices to pay for this, but I just don't really need it at this point with both the Steam Deck and a crazy-powerful 17" laptop.

This is the info site- https://gpd.hk/gpdwinmax2

Some of those game performance specs don't look that great- Elden Ring at 34 FPS on medium?  Yeah it's at 1080P instead of 720P but that's not sounding all that enticing.  I think they just made passing on this very easy unless there's some more really positive impressions videos from Phawx and the rest.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 04, 2022, 05:46:17 PM
Looking through my library compatibility on ProtonDB, super impressed. Like 99% are native or platinum or gold. Only a few are unplayable and they're almost all FMV games.

Steam Deck seems to have a real problem with movies in games for some reason, but the workaround I posted earlier for Samurai Warriors 5 may apply to those games, too.  Someone on Twitter mentioned to me that he couldn't play Chrono Trigger because the game crashes whenever it gets to the anime cut scenes.
Proton GE works with the FMV's. I think it has something to do with codec licensing?
It was fairly easy to get it running rockpapershotgun.com/how-to-install-proton-ge-on-the-steam-deck (https://rockpapershotgun.com/how-to-install-proton-ge-on-the-steam-deck)

Also lots of unplayable games actually work fine anyway.  :doge
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 04, 2022, 11:08:04 PM
Looking through my library compatibility on ProtonDB, super impressed. Like 99% are native or platinum or gold. Only a few are unplayable and they're almost all FMV games.

Steam Deck seems to have a real problem with movies in games for some reason, but the workaround I posted earlier for Samurai Warriors 5 may apply to those games, too.  Someone on Twitter mentioned to me that he couldn't play Chrono Trigger because the game crashes whenever it gets to the anime cut scenes.
Proton GE works with the FMV's. I think it has something to do with codec licensing?
It was fairly easy to get it running rockpapershotgun.com/how-to-install-proton-ge-on-the-steam-deck (https://rockpapershotgun.com/how-to-install-proton-ge-on-the-steam-deck)

Also lots of unplayable games actually work fine anyway.  :doge

Yeah, that's what the Samurai Warriors 5 video has a tutorial on, too.  Super easy to get downloaded and apply to games once installed. 
Title: Re: Steam Deck announced | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Uncle on July 06, 2022, 02:03:26 PM
I was getting so into it that I kind of zoned out and forgot I was staring at a handheld for a minute, lol.  This thing is amazing.

it's true what they say, a small screen held at a certain distance from your face can be roughly equivalent to a large screen mounted on the wall far away, at some point you get lost in the experience and you might as well be playing on a TV (if you got a good set of cans)

 :playa
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 12, 2022, 12:53:56 PM
Valve really should fix their shipping. For a $600+ expensive thing, shipping it slowest possible Fedex and apparently not even packaged very well is pretty bad. Been following the tracking of mine for a week and it was supposed to come today but now this morning the package has a shipping exception because of WEATHER DELAY despite being in So Cal where it's nothing but sun 90F.

Guessing it'll probably come tomorrow, but I shifted around my schedule to be available to pick it up today so this sucks.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 12, 2022, 10:30:15 PM
Valve really should fix their shipping. For a $600+ expensive thing, shipping it slowest possible Fedex and apparently not even packaged very well is pretty bad. Been following the tracking of mine for a week and it was supposed to come today but now this morning the package has a shipping exception because of WEATHER DELAY despite being in So Cal where it's nothing but sun 90F.

Guessing it'll probably come tomorrow, but I shifted around my schedule to be available to pick it up today so this sucks.

Mine came in just a couple of days.
:idont

Blame FedEx for the delays, not Valve.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 12, 2022, 11:32:33 PM
Valve really should fix their shipping. For a $600+ expensive thing, shipping it slowest possible Fedex and apparently not even packaged very well is pretty bad. Been following the tracking of mine for a week and it was supposed to come today but now this morning the package has a shipping exception because of WEATHER DELAY despite being in So Cal where it's nothing but sun 90F.

Guessing it'll probably come tomorrow, but I shifted around my schedule to be available to pick it up today so this sucks.

Mine came in just a couple of days.
:idont

Blame FedEx for the delays, not Valve.

Eh, I get a lot stuff via FedEx and even though everyone says FedEx sucks, I usually have no problem with them. But usually people ship stuff overnight or 2-day FedEx. Valve is shipping these things using weeklong FedEx (mine shipped last week on Wednesday, it might arrive tomorrow Wednesday if I'm lucky) and cheap FedEx seems to be where FedEx fucks up a lot and causes people issues.

If they're going to use FedEx they should be sending these things 2-day or something. These are some $20 coasters, they're premium expensive electronics.

Also lotta photos out there of damaged decks arriving because they aren't packaged to withstand a ton of damage.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 12, 2022, 11:54:09 PM
Eh, I get a lot stuff via FedEx and even though everyone says FedEx sucks, I usually have no problem with them.

I generally find FedEx much better than UPS, but none of these shipping services are perfect.  The best, from my experience, is DHL.

But usually people ship stuff overnight or 2-day FedEx. Valve is shipping these things using weeklong FedEx (mine shipped last week on Wednesday, it might arrive tomorrow Wednesday if I'm lucky) and cheap FedEx seems to be where FedEx fucks up a lot and causes people issues.

If they're going to use FedEx they should be sending these things 2-day or something. These are some $20 coasters, they're premium expensive electronics.

Also lotta photos out there of damaged decks arriving because they aren't packaged to withstand a ton of damage.

But they're not shipping all Steam Decks with that long of a wait time, or else I wouldn't have gotten mine in a few days- and I am not close to where it shipped out from.  It took several days for processing, then it shipped out, and it was one day off from the delivery estimate because FedEx picked it up from them late, according to the tracking history. 

Sounds like you'll get it tomorrow and barring no damage or defects, you'll forget all about this and enjoy THA DECK.
 :playa
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 13, 2022, 06:09:00 PM
Got my Deck and it's been a nightmare to try to get working. Still can't get in a single game.  :maf
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 13, 2022, 06:17:18 PM
The wifi on this thing is slow af. I can't image downloading large games on this. I'm trying to install Super Robot Wars 30 and it's 18gbs and it's going to take like 30 mins to download at this rate. Been downloading for like 10 mins and only at 6gb. Feels really slow compared to other gaming systems or my desktop w/steam.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 13, 2022, 06:20:22 PM
Got my Deck and it's been a nightmare to try to get working. Still can't get in a single game.  :maf

:dead

The wifi on this thing is slow af. I can't image downloading large games on this. I'm trying to install Super Robot Wars 30 and it's 18gbs and it's going to take like 30 mins to download at this rate. Been downloading for like 10 mins and only at 6gb. Feels really slow compared to other gaming systems or my desktop w/steam.

:mindblown

Dunno what is going on with your home network, but downloads are very fast and the same as you'd get with Steam on a PC.  Are you sure that the Steam Deck itself is not trying to update at the same time?

Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 13, 2022, 06:24:37 PM
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/t50m80/how_i_fixed_slow_download_speeds_default_is_0/&ved=2ahUKEwiTxOPN8_b4AhVzkmoFHQb4DboQjjh6BAgHEAE&usg=AOvVaw3Rkqk5ul6MUuHiZnrscjNE

This is a few months old, but might work for you. Again, make sure it's not trying to update and try restarting the device before anything else. Try switching to the desktop mode and use speed test in a browser and see what the results are.  Also might want to check your router.  Do you have a USBC hub or an adapter that would let you hook up an Ethernet cable to also check and see if there's something wrong with the wifi?
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 13, 2022, 06:28:18 PM
One other thing that could be causing this- are you trying to download the game to an SD card? Depending on the speed, it may be a lot slower to have games installed. If you did pop one in the steam deck, most likely defaulted the download storage area to the microSD You can go into the steam OS settings. You can change to either storage device anytime you want. I only use the micro SD card I have for smaller games or I will download something on my pc, put it on an external SSD, and then copy it to the microSD.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 13, 2022, 07:02:41 PM
I'm getting about 30MB/s on 5G and 10MB/s on 2.4ghz which I guess is ok. 5G was really finnicky even doing the developer mode trick. Seems stable at this point though, was buggy initially and kept dropping steam servers.

Going through my catalog so many games I'm interested in playing are unsupported. If you install this Proton GE thing do you still run steam for the interface? Or do you have to use a custom interface to boot your games?

Like I wanted to try Dragon's Dogma on this, but it says it's unsupported. Same with Bioshock Infinite. Same with Divinity OS: EE.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 13, 2022, 07:12:13 PM
Also I just tried Fae Tactics which is supposedly supported with an all-green check. But it boots zoomed in to only 1/4th of the screen blown up and I can't see the in-game menu to change the resolution. What are you supposed to do in these situations? I went under properties and changed the resolution but it does nothing.

I'm going to try installing it on my desktop PC and changing the resolution and cloud saving out and then loading the game in deck.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 13, 2022, 07:52:48 PM
Hmm, Deck seems neat enough. I really like the screen. I was expecting much worse given that it's not OLED but it looks really nice and colorful.

Performance is a tad slower than I'm used to on a PC. Not sure if it's the hard drive being slower compared to SSDs I use or just a weaker cpu. Load times seem a bit longer in everything.

Kinda disappointed in the trackpads for mouse. Was hoping it'd be a good mouse-based game portable, but trackpad feels kind of shitty moving the mouse around. Probably why all the PnC adventure games I tried have default template set to joystick controls instead of trackpad mouse. Works ok enough, I've just always preferred mouse controls for adventure games. Then again there are a ton of tweaking options for controls so it's possible with some type of setting the trackpad can feel like a decent mouse.

Oh and I tried a tate shmup and it looked GREAT, but the controls on this thing don't seem setup well for tate mode. Couldn't find a comfortable layout to play vertically and move and shoot while holding the system. Kind of a shame since it looks so good. I guess if there's a stand you can put it vertically on in tate mode and use a bluetooth controller it'd work. But that's not very portable.

Haven't tried 3d yet. Doing the 2 hour FF14 download to try that out and see how it goes.

Overall the first few hours make it seem like this is not the plug n' play solution to PC gaming that makes it like a Switch or PSP or console where you just boot stuff and everything is fine. Still seems like each individual game is going to need some tweaking, either in getting it to run, or resolutions, or controls. But still seems a step better than trying to play steam gaming on a tablet/phone using steam link and touch controls. If there's something I actually want to play, I'll spend the 30 mins getting it setup just right.

Also the d-pad is kind of ho-hum. I think the ideal system would be modular where you could swap the analog/d-pad/trackpad/buttons around. I wish there were portables that did that. Would much rather have the d-pad where the left trackpad is (and a better d-pad too). Can't see myself playing fighters on this.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on July 13, 2022, 08:02:30 PM
Steam Deck reminds me of the DS Phat. Gonna wait for the Deck Lite.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 13, 2022, 08:07:37 PM
Over 90% of the unsupported games I tried work anyway :idont

The main issues are obscure launchers and/or FMV playback but Proton GE fixes the latter.

Quote
If you install this Proton GE thing do you still run steam for the interface? Or do you have to use a custom interface to boot your games?

Same interface it just expands the Proton versions you can select in the game settings.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 13, 2022, 08:36:30 PM
Yeah, I googled those unsupported games and found that:

Dragon's Dogma - Works fine except the steam button crashes the game. So just don't ever press that until are ready to exit the game.

Bioshock Infinite - Apparently works fine? No one knows why it's listed as unsupported.

Divinity OS: EE - Native Linux version defaults to 1080p and has no controller support or something which is why it's listed as unplayable. Proton Experimental fixes those but apparently still has a couple of issues. And mods give it trouble, someone said like 10 min load times with mods installed. Sounds like this one is a pass on Deck.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 13, 2022, 09:26:43 PM
Also I just tried Fae Tactics which is supposedly supported with an all-green check. But it boots zoomed in to only 1/4th of the screen blown up and I can't see the in-game menu to change the resolution. What are you supposed to do in these situations? I went under properties and changed the resolution but it does nothing.

I'm going to try installing it on my desktop PC and changing the resolution and cloud saving out and then loading the game in deck.

You could also try plugging in or pairing a keyboard and see if you can ALT+ENTER to resize the window.  Not sure if that works on Steam OS though?  It sounds like that game might need to be run in borderless windowed mode, possibly.  I've had that happen with some games on other (Windows) devices before.  It's not a Steam Deck-only thing.

Hmm, Deck seems neat enough. I really like the screen. I was expecting much worse given that it's not OLED but it looks really nice and colorful.

Which version did you get?  There's a difference between the the lower/mid-tier ones and the 512 GB one.

Performance is a tad slower than I'm used to on a PC. Not sure if it's the hard drive being slower compared to SSDs I use or just a weaker cpu. Load times seem a bit longer in everything.

Ditto on this too.  I got the 512 GB model and the load times are pretty good off the SSD.  Definitely a bit slower off the micro SD card (for larger games).

Kinda disappointed in the trackpads for mouse. Was hoping it'd be a good mouse-based game portable, but trackpad feels kind of shitty moving the mouse around. Probably why all the PnC adventure games I tried have default template set to joystick controls instead of trackpad mouse. Works ok enough, I've just always preferred mouse controls for adventure games. Then again there are a ton of tweaking options for controls so it's possible with some type of setting the trackpad can feel like a decent mouse.

I think these kinda suck, TBH.  Maybe they can be tweaked because they just seem too sensitive.  I hate using these for navigation in the desktop mode.  Need to see if there's at least a way to change left click to something else besides the right touchpad.   :yuck

Oh and I tried a tate shmup and it looked GREAT, but the controls on this thing don't seem setup well for tate mode. Couldn't find a comfortable layout to play vertically and move and shoot while holding the system. Kind of a shame since it looks so good. I guess if there's a stand you can put it vertically on in tate mode and use a bluetooth controller it'd work. But that's not very portable.

This is no different than using the Switch like this (unless you have that tate adapter-thing).  Worth picking up a little stand regardless, although I don't know what would allow you to have it set vertical- this thing is too big!

If you're looking for a good quality stand and don't care about it being like a dock with USB ports, check out the Genki Portable Kickstand 2 on Amazon.  It's made for Switch, but the Steam Deck works with it perfectly.  It's made of metal and feels pretty premium, plus it folds up to be pretty thin.  It's on sale for $20 right now.

Overall the first few hours make it seem like this is not the plug n' play solution to PC gaming that makes it like a Switch or PSP or console where you just boot stuff and everything is fine. Still seems like each individual game is going to need some tweaking, either in getting it to run, or resolutions, or controls. But still seems a step better than trying to play steam gaming on a tablet/phone using steam link and touch controls. If there's something I actually want to play, I'll spend the 30 mins getting it setup just right.

I don't agree with you on this- I had little trouble getting it up and running and getting right into playing games.  I did prep for it beforehand and transferred most of the games I wanted to play over via SSD so I wouldn't have to wait, but have been getting great download speeds.  The best thing about the Steam Deck is Steam OS itself- being able to tweak things on the fly at any time is just amazing.  The worst thing about it to me is trying to navigate and use the desktop Linux OS.  I feel like you NEED a keyboard and mouse available to use it.  But once I copied stuff over and downloaded Proton, I was good and have rarely needed to go back into it.

Also the d-pad is kind of ho-hum. I think the ideal system would be modular where you could swap the analog/d-pad/trackpad/buttons around. I wish there were portables that did that. Would much rather have the d-pad where the left trackpad is (and a better d-pad too). Can't see myself playing fighters on this.

The d-pad works great for fighters.  Have had no trouble doing moves.  That said, much like with any other handheld device, I typically will use a fightpad if I want to be 'serious'.  More for the button layout than the d-pad.

Yeah, I googled those unsupported games and found that:

Dragon's Dogma - Works fine except the steam button crashes the game. So just don't ever press that until are ready to exit the game.

Bioshock Infinite - Apparently works fine? No one knows why it's listed as unsupported.

Divinity OS: EE - Native Linux version defaults to 1080p and has no controller support or something which is why it's listed as unplayable. Proton Experimental fixes those but apparently still has a couple of issues. And mods give it trouble, someone said like 10 min load times with mods installed. Sounds like this one is a pass on Deck.

Like Nintex said, don't be afraid to try anything- most games will work just fine.  Also with Dragon's Dogma (And any other PC game), if you can quit back to the main menu to exit the game, that should work just fine.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 13, 2022, 09:27:18 PM

The main issues are obscure launchers and/or FMV playback but Proton GE fixes the latter.


It doesn't fix it, but it makes the games I've had issues with playable, at least.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 13, 2022, 09:29:24 PM
Steam Deck reminds me of the DS Phat. Gonna wait for the Deck Lite.

The way things seem to be going, it may be that you can buy one of the various Chinese handheld PCs and get them with Steam OS.  Saw something tonight about the GPD people working with Valve to offer Steam OS on the upcoming GPD Win Max 2 and future devices, which is kinda funny since GPD infamously lost their shit and had a meltdown over the Steam Deck when it was announced.  :P

...I still would buy a Steam Deck over a GPD device, however, simply because of the support and better QC.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 13, 2022, 09:59:48 PM
Got this little Annapro hardshell backpack off Amazon-

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71dUGC4bfGL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)

While the Steam Deck does fit in the largest pocket, it just barely does so and I'd be concerned about it messing up the analog sticks.  But there is actually enough space in here to be able to fit in the Steam Deck inside its own case and still have room to put in acessories and probably even a tablet, so I think I'm gonna hang onto it.  I use a Microsoft folding keyboard and arc mouse, which take up very little space.  Plenty of room for those, the Deck in the case, an HDMI cable, power cable, and a stand/dock.  Pretty sure I can fit a small 8bitdo controller in there, too.

Speaking of which, 8bitdo have a new small gamepad about to come out which might be perfect for portable play:

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61-ojx+6lRL._SL1500_.jpg)
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 13, 2022, 10:33:36 PM
Desktop mode is a buggy pos shit. Hit so many bugs just trying to find a .cfg file and edit it.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 13, 2022, 10:36:44 PM
I hate desktop mode in this. Hopefully it's extremely rare that I have to use it.

Honestly I kind of dislike Steam Deck. Been hitting so many bugs and crashes with the OS and UI. Seems like a mess and half tempted to sell it.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 13, 2022, 11:03:06 PM
Honestly I kind of dislike Steam Deck. Been hitting so many bugs and crashes with the OS and UI. Seems like a mess and half tempted to sell it.

I think you should spend more time getting used to things, but you're also not responding to any of my posts so I dunno what you're doing or what configuration you have.
:idont
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 14, 2022, 02:40:53 AM
I seldom use desktop mode. Just to install things that aren't on Steam which so far were spotify and proton GE. Linux is not my thing either. You could also install Windows. Steamdeck is sort of a try and discover thing if you want to do/play more than just the officially verified games.

Don't forget to update the OS through the settings either if you haven't done so.

I basically use it as a Gameboy/PSP to play games best suited for handheld gaming. The trackpads work ok-ish but for something like Age of Empires or whatever it can't match a mouse.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 14, 2022, 01:31:26 PM
Yeah, I'm starting to get the hang of it. Deck certainly has some boneheaded designs and it's like 1000% tweakable, which is both good and also a pain in the ass if you don't want to spend the time tweaking.

After day 1 I think the worst thing about the Steamdeck is the battery life. Holy hell is it the worst I've seen in any piece of electronics in modern times. It's bad enough I could never recommend this to casual gamers looking to get into PC gaming. It's like 2-3 hours unless you want to cap framerates, dim screens, lower graphics, etc... Feels like something I'll always need plugged in charging when not in use. But even that is super inconvenient because the charging spot is where you can't charge while it's in the case. So you have to just leave it out in the open collecting dust all day while it's constantly charging.

I usually play stuff in a couple hour sessions so will definitely be killing the battery life. I played like 20-30 mins of a simple game last night and it dropped from 100% to like 81%.

We really need better advancements in battery technology and for Steam Deck 2 to use them. Is it really draining that much more power than an ipad pro or iphone? I mean with those you get like 8-12 hours of battery life even when gaming and they're pretty powerful.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 14, 2022, 01:42:30 PM
Welcome to modern handheld gaming.  :doge  TBH I think the battery life is pretty good overall, especially compared to the Windows-based handheld PCs.  :lol

Definitely worth looking up methods to increase battery life.  Keep a charger handy.

Wouldn't recommend keeping it plugged in all the time in case it leads to battery swell down the line- charge it when needed.  Standby is also fantastic on this thing- I had a game of Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate going, put it on standby, and came back eight hours later and the battery barely took a hit.

We really need better advancements in battery technology and for Steam Deck 2 to use them. Is it really draining that much more power than an ipad pro or iphone? I mean with those you get like 8-12 hours of battery life even when gaming and they're pretty powerful.

I really doubt you'd be getting 8-12 hours of battery life after playing a more demanding 3D game for a few hours.  It's also the amount of heat being put out.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 14, 2022, 02:33:37 PM
Yeah, sleep mode is the big game changer for PC gaming here.

I feel like Steam Deck is something that will become more useful over time, when there are actually PC games I want to play and prefer to play them away from the PC. I get a lot of games in sales/bundles, but I don't have time to play a lot of games. I've only beaten 14 games in 2022 so far. I played two levels of Shredder's Revenge on Switch and someday I'll finish it. It'll take time for Steam Deck to be useful for my gaming style.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Beezy on July 15, 2022, 03:13:45 AM
Only 14 games. :lol

I've beaten maybe 5 at most, including games that I started in 2021. I know it's less than you usually play through in a year, but you still spend more time gaming than the average adult gamer.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2022, 01:28:04 PM
True. This a gaming forum primarily so my view is kinda skewed on normal there  :lol
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Nintex on July 15, 2022, 06:24:25 PM
It also depends on what you play.
I finished Shredder's Revenge, Resident Evil 2, Resident Evil 3 and the latter half of Ace Combat 7 back to back in like 2 weeks.
Taking a break from 80+ hours of Elden Ring.

Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2022, 11:15:28 PM
I don't think I've beaten 14 games in the last 7 years. :doge

Wonder what Backloggery says? :thinking

- Super Mario Odyssey (12-23-17)
- Sonic Mania (4-16-18)
- Xeodrifter (5-28-18)
- Mutant Mudds Collection (6-12-18)
- Pokemon Moon (6-23-18)
- Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate (2-9-20)
- Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon (2-19-20)
- Animal Crossing: New Horizons (4-9-20)
- Monster Hunter Rise (6-15-21)
- Omori (7-21-21)
- Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - World of Light (10-27-21)

Yep. :doge
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2022, 11:10:27 PM
Gaben said I can get the deck, should I cop? :thinking
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 18, 2022, 11:13:05 PM
Gaben said I can get the deck, should I cop? :thinking

GET YOU A GABE BOY :gaben
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 19, 2022, 01:59:52 AM
Most of the games I want to play on it arenít even officially compatible, but it looks like a lot of things work if you install Proton GE.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 19, 2022, 08:07:22 AM
Most of the games I want to play on it arenít even officially compatible, but it looks like a lot of things work if you install Proton GE.

Have yet to try anything that wasn't playable!
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Akala on July 20, 2022, 12:10:49 PM
I couldn't get DBFZ to work.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on July 20, 2022, 02:35:03 PM
I couldn't get DBFZ to work.

It looks like it works with Proton-GE compatibility enabled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8dvRLI03D0
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 27, 2022, 10:29:32 AM
Got my Deck yesterday. First thing I tried was Trails in the Sky SC, which isnít officially supported but some people said it worked on non-official versions of Proton. I tried to run it with Proton GE and just got a black screen, but it worked with Proton Experimental. The next thing I tried was the Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth+ which is Verified and it ran great.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 28, 2022, 10:07:44 AM
Played some EDF: Insect Armageddon last night. :gun
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Bebpo on July 28, 2022, 05:13:04 PM
I'm only playing two games on it. Opus Echoes of Starsong and SRW 30, but enjoying it after a couple of weeks.

That said, just like the Switch it gives me nerve cramps in my hand when playing in bed after a while. With Switch there's the Hori Pro things for better grip, but not sure if there's any solution for the Deck.
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: bork on August 03, 2022, 11:29:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o0uzeCdFEw
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Tasty on August 04, 2022, 12:12:46 AM
We need :gaben + :miyamoto / :patel
Title: Re: Steam Deck | RNDA2, 7" display, Dock, starting at $399 (no OLED)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2022, 04:48:10 PM
Been playing Binding of Isaac on the Deck. It's a great game to just pick up and play 30-45 minutes. I played a ton of OG Isaac and Rebirth, but there's still a ton of stuff I never unlocked on Afterbirth (and I never even played Repentance).