Post by: bork on February 19, 2022, 09:49:12 PM
:biden
https://youtu.be/SUbo9i20zGY
Post by: mormapope on February 19, 2022, 10:15:54 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2022, 11:15:51 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2022, 11:17:07 PM
https://twitter.com/FPWellman/status/1495185965127815171
https://twitter.com/McCormackJohn/status/1495204902540349457
https://twitter.com/NotJoshBlackman/status/1495243424999657481
Post by: Tasty on February 19, 2022, 11:30:33 PM
https://twitter.com/LukeBasham23/status/1494729949953069068
What about mustached Biden?
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Porn-stached Biden?
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Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2022, 11:31:42 PM
Quote from: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-trumps-truth-social-app-set-release-monday-apple-app-store-per-2022-02-20/
Feb 19 (Reuters) - Donald Trump's new social media venture, Truth Social, appears set to launch in Apple's App Store on Monday, according to posts from an executive on a test version viewed by Reuters, potentially marking the return of the former president to social media on the U.S. Presidents Day holiday.
In a series of posts late on Friday, a verified account for the network's chief product officer, listed as Billy B., answered questions on the app from people invited to use it during its test phase. One user asked him when the app, which has been available this week for beta testers, would be released to the public, according to screenshots viewed by Reuters.
"We're currently set for release in the Apple App store for Monday Feb. 21," the executive responded.
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The chief product officer's other responses during Friday's question-and-answer session suggested the startup's features would resemble those of Twitter.
Asked whether users would be able to edit their "truths," the executive replied "not yet." The ability to edit posts after publication is something Twitter users have long sought.
The next significant feature released on the platform will be direct messages, or DMs, between users, the executive wrote.
The company is also considering allowing users to sign up to receive notifications when others post content, the executive said. He signaled that the ability to block other users would be an important component.
"There will always be block functionality in the app," he wrote.
Truth Social will issue a policy on verified accounts "in the coming weeks," the executive added.
Post by: Potato on February 19, 2022, 11:45:17 PM
Post by: shosta on February 20, 2022, 01:54:36 AM
Post by: Occam on February 20, 2022, 08:52:04 AM
American democracy is pretty much dead now. Back when Drumpf was voted out it seemed there still was a sliver of a chance to avoid this downfall, but it was probably over the moment Ginsburg died.
Prepare to experience The Handmaid's Tale mixed with Idiocracy and fascism over the course of the next couple of decades. No subscription necessary.
Post by: BisMarckie on February 20, 2022, 09:19:19 AM
PM your hypothesis and maybe we can get some research funds :money
Post by: Uncle on February 20, 2022, 09:27:03 AM
For the new thread:
American democracy is pretty much dead now. Back when Drumpf was voted out it seemed there still was a sliver of a chance to avoid this downfall, but it was probably over the moment Ginsburg died.
Prepare to experience The Handmaid's Tale mixed with Idiocracy and fascism over the course of the next couple of decades. No subscription necessary.
are you just talking about the courts or are you blaming biden or what
Post by: Occam on February 20, 2022, 09:43:52 AM
At least they spent their time with essential tasks that *really* matter, like inventing speech codes.
"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb" -Lord Helmet
Post by: Uncle on February 20, 2022, 10:43:26 AM
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 20, 2022, 11:34:31 AM
Post by: tiesto on February 20, 2022, 11:43:47 AM
https://twitter.com/LukeBasham23/status/1494729949953069068
Instead we get bearded Alloy.
:aloy
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 20, 2022, 12:00:37 PM
do you think they will make it illegal to be woke
President Rogan will make it illegal to be woke and to be vaxxed :rogan
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 20, 2022, 12:41:24 PM
For the new thread:
American democracy is pretty much dead now. Back when Drumpf was voted out it seemed there still was a sliver of a chance to avoid this downfall, but it was probably over the moment Ginsburg died.
Prepare to experience The Handmaid's Tale mixed with Idiocracy and fascism over the course of the next couple of decades. No subscription necessary.
I hear you, pal. I get salty when my team loses too.
Post by: Tripon on February 20, 2022, 01:52:33 PM
A) It really is crazy and mundane at the same time.
B) Part of making the current craziness is a bunch of people who really don't care about schools, politics, and everything that is related to it weighing in their own reasons.
Post by: Tripon on February 20, 2022, 01:54:37 PM
Post by: Nintex on February 20, 2022, 02:52:37 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1495424681406521358 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1495424681406521358)
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1495227550800523268 (https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1495227550800523268)
Is that a decoy that drives past at 27 seconds? :lol
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2022, 03:36:58 PM
Post by: james on February 20, 2022, 09:53:04 PM
Fellow Liberals, we did it! We now own the internet. What should we take on next?
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 02:26:51 AM
(https://c.tenor.com/isrmdo9Xr9EAAAAC/mission-accomplished.gif)
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 03:26:57 AM
https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1495562324328988672
https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1495561546424066055
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1495557094497566723
https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1495555953487495178
https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1495554770483957768
https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1495555953487495178
https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1495554770483957768
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-e46xdcUo
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Post by: BisMarckie on February 21, 2022, 04:04:35 PM
Time to execute Tucker :biden
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2022, 04:10:00 PM
"Well of course the President cannot decide this by himself there is a process and the duma will vote"
"He just signed the decree"
"Oh... well yes indeed in some special circumstances the President can sign first so it can be rectified later for efficiency this is perfectly normal" :doge
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 21, 2022, 05:42:46 PM
Spoiler: Ukraine to be under Taliban control by April.
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 06:04:29 PM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776137560459444244/945423501458804807/image0.jpg)This one WEIRD TRICK around the First Amendment:
Time to execute Tucker :biden
1. Propose war
2. Wait for opposition to it
3. Declare war
4. Arrest and execute everyone for prior opposition as treason
5. ?
6. Profit
Supreme Court Justices HATE him!
:rollsafe
Post by: BisMarckie on February 21, 2022, 06:19:34 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 11:44:54 PM
It would be a bad take for a twitter rando, but this guy was a law professor at harvard :existential(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMIuoUJXoAE9jEt?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 11:45:23 PM
:american
Post by: BisMarckie on February 21, 2022, 11:48:32 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 11:59:59 PM
https://twitter.com/TheDemocrats/status/184658179349692416
https://twitter.com/TheDemocrats/status/260497619862835201
https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/436468307928301568
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1230998887298564096
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/260549576199639040
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/260498389140127744
https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1387589109129129996
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/260498389140127744
https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1387589109129129996
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Post by: benjipwns on February 22, 2022, 12:01:28 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMDsmVyXwAAE3nT?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: benjipwns on February 22, 2022, 03:08:13 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMLR8QGVcAEV4Aa?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: https://kfor.com/news/local/u-s-house-candidate-accused-of-alcohol-fueled-profanities-toward-pre-teen-girls/
Multiple parents have contacted KFOR about a Valentine’s party for pre-teen girls in the metro.:american
Broyles is friends with the host of the party and was invited to the event, which included a sleepover and a movie, where several middle school girls were in attendance.
The parents in contact with KFOR say the evening started out fine but took a turn when Broyles began drinking wine and became more and more aggressive.
They say the more she drank, the uglier the situation became. The parents also allege she began insulting the children with profanities and at one point vomited into a hamper and on one girl’s shoes.
“It was like an attack,” said Sarah Matthews, a mother with a daughter at the party who said her daughter was verbally attacked. “Like personal, vicious attacks.”
Other mothers have also corroborated that same story, claiming that Broyles arrived at the Valentine’s sleepover at the invitation of the homeowner. Matthews said she dropped off her 12-year-old daughter with a group of girls. She said she never expected anything like this to happen though.
“Mama Bear starts coming out because you’re like, this is disgusting,” Matthews said.
Another mom spoke to us over the phone and said her daughter told her when Broyles arrived it wasn’t too bad at first. However, she said Broyles became more and more aggressive as she continued to drink. Matthews said her daughter gave her the details the next morning.
“She proceeded to tell me that Abby Broyles had been at the house and was very drunk and calling them all mfer’s, f’er this f’er that,” Matthews said. “[Broyles] called somebody acne f’er, somebody Hispanic f’er, called my daughter judgey f’er for not wanting to sleep with a blanket that she cleaned up wine with.”
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 22, 2022, 11:22:27 AM
Post by: BisMarckie on February 22, 2022, 01:04:02 PM
From the Joe and Rumblar beat:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMLR8QGVcAEV4Aa?format=jpg&name=small)Quote from: https://kfor.com/news/local/u-s-house-candidate-accused-of-alcohol-fueled-profanities-toward-pre-teen-girls/Multiple parents have contacted KFOR about a Valentine’s party for pre-teen girls in the metro.:american
Broyles is friends with the host of the party and was invited to the event, which included a sleepover and a movie, where several middle school girls were in attendance.
The parents in contact with KFOR say the evening started out fine but took a turn when Broyles began drinking wine and became more and more aggressive.
They say the more she drank, the uglier the situation became. The parents also allege she began insulting the children with profanities and at one point vomited into a hamper and on one girl’s shoes.
“It was like an attack,” said Sarah Matthews, a mother with a daughter at the party who said her daughter was verbally attacked. “Like personal, vicious attacks.”
Other mothers have also corroborated that same story, claiming that Broyles arrived at the Valentine’s sleepover at the invitation of the homeowner. Matthews said she dropped off her 12-year-old daughter with a group of girls. She said she never expected anything like this to happen though.
“Mama Bear starts coming out because you’re like, this is disgusting,” Matthews said.
Another mom spoke to us over the phone and said her daughter told her when Broyles arrived it wasn’t too bad at first. However, she said Broyles became more and more aggressive as she continued to drink. Matthews said her daughter gave her the details the next morning.
“She proceeded to tell me that Abby Broyles had been at the house and was very drunk and calling them all mfer’s, f’er this f’er that,” Matthews said. “[Broyles] called somebody acne f’er, somebody Hispanic f’er, called my daughter judgey f’er for not wanting to sleep with a blanket that she cleaned up wine with.”
I was incredibly confused by the KFOR acronym. I thought this was about the Kosovo. :maf
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2022, 02:02:19 AM
https://twitter.com/MattOrtega/status/1496054552029659138
:usacry
Post by: Transhuman on February 23, 2022, 02:12:34 AM
"Truth Social is modeled heavily after Twitter. Reportedly, users will be able to make posts ("truths") and share other users' posts ("retruths"). The platform will also feature a newsfeed, called a "truth feed", as well as a notification system."
Holy shit i'm glad I wasn't drinking anything as I read that.
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2022, 04:58:03 AM
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2022, 05:11:03 AM
https://twitter.com/kasie/status/1496235793370787844
https://twitter.com/itsJeffTiedrich/status/1496152891488358412
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1496150050233372676
Post by: Uncle on February 23, 2022, 07:22:24 AM
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probably because it's about loyalty to the ideals of the US, and not to one man, but what do I know :doge
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Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2022, 11:44:39 AM
why is saying mean things about the president only disloyalty when it's directed at biden, but wasn't back when it was trump?You're seriously comparing open treason in wartime to quietly objecting to an illegitimate President installed by a foreign enemy against the people's wishes?
Post by: Nintex on February 23, 2022, 02:02:12 PM
And finished her remarks with just another Sudeten
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It's all true, look it up.
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Post by: BIONIC on February 23, 2022, 03:19:52 PM
Post by: Nintex on February 23, 2022, 04:24:05 PM
:trumps
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2022, 11:05:02 PM
https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1496683277385617412
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2022, 11:08:05 PM
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1496591659940909065 (https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1496591659940909065)https://twitter.com/HeathMayo/status/1496635293067264001
:doge
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2022, 03:58:41 AM
Post by: D3RANG3D on February 24, 2022, 09:04:04 AM
Post by: james on February 24, 2022, 12:32:10 PM
Post by: Beezy on February 24, 2022, 01:25:39 PM
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2022, 04:10:13 PM
https://twitter.com/OfficialRizk/status/1496877449904226304
CYBERPUNK 2022
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2022, 07:30:25 PM
can't prove him wrong :hmph
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2022, 07:38:52 PM
https://twitter.com/McCormackJohn/status/1496962242012667913
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2022, 07:46:15 PM
https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1496848585882746881 (https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1496848585882746881)
Trump was right about the EU reliance on Russian energy and a lack of investments in the military.
Even the Germans now realize the collosal mistake they made by not listening to Trump.
https://twitter.com/akk/status/1496805472493617152 (https://twitter.com/akk/status/1496805472493617152)
The call is now going out for the US to greatly increase their energy production to make the EU less reliant on Russian gas.
After all if the US uses more nuclear energy, more gas and other resources are left to be exported to Europe.
Of course Europe should also abandon their failed solar energy plans and wind turbines and start building nuclear plants again.
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2022, 08:00:22 PM
And look at that, the Durham investigation is covered up! Putin's working for Hillary!
:putin
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2022, 08:12:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMX-3QfWYAgWi7N?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMX-3QgXoAAuJ2g?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMX-3QrXEAEu7PO?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/LiberalAlfredo/status/1496702524988043264
https://twitter.com/DrydenNovelette/status/1496710156859719684
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/LeviDamien/status/1496708427627720705
https://twitter.com/RoArquette/status/1496832715286478853
https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1496701110001627138
https://twitter.com/rmayemsinger/status/1496728525260279811
https://twitter.com/lauferlaw/status/1496705954414530561
https://twitter.com/sarahwoodwriter/status/1496709447913287685
https://twitter.com/RoArquette/status/1496832715286478853
https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1496701110001627138
https://twitter.com/rmayemsinger/status/1496728525260279811
https://twitter.com/lauferlaw/status/1496705954414530561
https://twitter.com/sarahwoodwriter/status/1496709447913287685
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Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2022, 10:03:23 PM
:neogaf
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2022, 10:16:17 PM
:mouf
Post by: Occam on February 24, 2022, 10:32:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrUX_58QM9k
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2022, 11:34:15 PM
no verrit code so can't confirm
Post by: Potato on February 25, 2022, 12:05:34 AM
https://twitter.com/JustinPulitzer/status/1496709662602932224 (https://twitter.com/JustinPulitzer/status/1496709662602932224)Germans shouldn't have shut all their coal mines down.
https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1496848585882746881 (https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1496848585882746881)
Trump was right about the EU reliance on Russian energy and a lack of investments in the military.
Even the Germans now realize the collosal mistake they made by not listening to Trump.
https://twitter.com/akk/status/1496805472493617152 (https://twitter.com/akk/status/1496805472493617152)
The call is now going out for the US to greatly increase their energy production to make the EU less reliant on Russian gas.
After all if the US uses more nuclear energy, more gas and other resources are left to be exported to Europe.
Of course Europe should also abandon their failed solar energy plans and wind turbines and start building nuclear plants again.
Australia has plenty of coal, they can buy from us.
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 25, 2022, 03:16:45 AM
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 25, 2022, 03:18:32 AM
Australia has plenty of coal,
...but do you have enough convicts to extract it? :thinking
Post by: Potato on February 25, 2022, 04:08:46 AM
Coal miners make a fortune here. Especially if they have specialist skills.Australia has plenty of coal,
...but do you have enough convicts to extract it? :thinking
Post by: chronovore on February 25, 2022, 07:27:56 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-statement-ukraine-crisis-would-never-have-happened-if-president-2022-2
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Trump, who was impeached for withholding nearly $400 million in military aid from Ukraine, said 'this deadly Ukraine situation would never have happened' if he were in office.
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on February 25, 2022, 07:29:27 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1496990828404875266
:usacry
Post by: Nintex on February 25, 2022, 08:15:09 PM
:doge
Post by: Nintex on February 25, 2022, 08:29:57 PM
This just in, lying sack of shit is also worst armchair quarterback of all time.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-statement-ukraine-crisis-would-never-have-happened-if-president-2022-2QuoteTrump, who was impeached for withholding nearly $400 million in military aid from Ukraine, said 'this deadly Ukraine situation would never have happened' if he were in office.
https://nypost.com/2022/02/22/trump-talks-threatening-putin-mocking-merkel-at-mar-a-lago/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/22/trump-talks-threatening-putin-mocking-merkel-at-mar-a-lago/)
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“I sent her a white flag,” he said of former Chancellor Angela Merkel. “She said, ‘What is this?’ I said, ‘It’s a flag of surrender so you don’t have to go out and buy a new one.’”
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“If you move against Ukraine while I’m president,” Trump is said to have told the Russian leader, “I will hit Moscow.”
Putin reportedly scoffed, “No way,” leading Trump to say, “All those beautiful golden turrets will be blown up.”
:trumps
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 10:07:14 AM
https://twitter.com/JoshMandelOhio/status/1497561158823419907
https://twitter.com/jaredlholt/status/1497404534599077889
https://twitter.com/hannahgais/status/1497447150321549319
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 12:28:42 PM
:american
:lol
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 12:40:43 PM
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1497587243136872449
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1497589338737106948
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https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1497565344982093829
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Post by: Propagandhim on February 26, 2022, 02:27:18 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 05:30:28 PM
I think she'll figure it out eventually.
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2022, 05:33:31 PM
https://twitter.com/AnneNotation/status/1497679241181208576
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AWAKE NOT WOKE on the Jumbotron :lol
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Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2022, 07:36:33 PM
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1497621644180869124In fact Joe Biden is so weak that the Russian army is falling apart smh :tocry
:american
:lol
https://twitter.com/DailySignal/status/1497721445002235904 (https://twitter.com/DailySignal/status/1497721445002235904)
At CPAC Trump is praising Ukraine and their President and only calls Putin 'smart' in relation to NATO.
Also claims credit for the Javelin's he provided that they are now using to blow up the Russian tanks.
And thus the most pro-Putin speaker they have now is Tulsi? :idont
Post by: team filler on February 27, 2022, 04:15:21 PM
Things continue to go well in the GOP:this can't be real, I need video :biden
https://twitter.com/hannahgais/status/1497447150321549319
Post by: Propagandhim on February 27, 2022, 09:03:11 PM
Things continue to go well in the GOP:this can't be real, I need video :biden
https://twitter.com/hannahgais/status/1497447150321549319
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1497451169559556097
Post by: chronovore on February 28, 2022, 05:06:57 AM
What the fuck is this half-time-show Doom Guy even railing against?
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 09:14:25 AM
What the fuck is this half-time-show Doom Guy even railing against?https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1498038441564585986
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 09:26:26 AM
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2022, 09:54:46 AM
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 10:00:22 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/qnF0XEp.png)
George Allen winning in 2006 might be the best one.
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2022, 10:03:06 AM
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 11:36:30 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMsJ5ZAXEAYtrQL?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Post by: Propagandhim on February 28, 2022, 11:37:32 AM
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 11:38:10 AM
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1498304365626544128
:american
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2022, 11:51:35 AM
lmao imagine putting this in your office and choosing to pose in front of it:
Let History so note!
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 12:10:11 PM
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1497703505301282821
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1497729412774703104
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1498134433429442560
Still thinks "America is at war"
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1498272428316839939
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/BlackKn74938916/status/1497703830636711936
:dead :dead :dead :dead
:dead :dead :dead :dead
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edit: More important questions:
https://twitter.com/GJabberbox/status/1498315245437210625
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 12:43:55 PM
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1498341802033782789
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1498120755976015874
these aren't even half of them
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1498307505537130506
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1498304904800182276
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1497968757091807234
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1497776719855591431
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1498304904800182276
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1497968757091807234
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1497776719855591431
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Post by: Propagandhim on February 28, 2022, 12:44:49 PM
Post by: BisMarckie on February 28, 2022, 12:47:36 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 12:48:59 PM
Doesn't the FCC solely operate under the 'obscenity' exclusion of the First Amendment? "I hate black people tv" may actually be considered under the profane clause? I'm thinking it's actually allowable, but I don't know for certain, actually.No, the FCC has power to regulate broadcast because the limited broadcast spectrum is "owned" by the public and absent this it cannot do anything. The FCC does not regulate cable and especially not cable content. There is no "approval to operate" the FCC has to grant or not grant for anyone's I Hate Black People cable network, it is literally not within their purview. Pam has apparently never read any legal precedents but feels confident enough that her feelings are reality to lecture others to do so.
Also, the old obscenity "exception" has pretty much been voided by Supreme Court, the government cannot prosecute you for obscenity without violating the First Amendment.
Post by: Propagandhim on February 28, 2022, 12:50:29 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 01:05:49 PM
Post by: Transhuman on February 28, 2022, 01:14:27 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 01:21:33 PM
Once you start practicing you're not expected to actually remember the law's specifics, you're expected to look up the law and how it applies to your case, relying on your memory can be ineffective counsel. Pam's refusal to even Wikipedia any First Amendment cases would not bode well for her clients except for the likely fact that she's probably mostly abandoned practice for her continued attempts at the Senate and House in Congress as she rises higher in the Florida Democratic Party.
Post by: BisMarckie on February 28, 2022, 01:22:48 PM
PhD's in the soft sciences are much harder to achieve than JD's.
:bolo :bolo :bolo :bolo :bolo :bolo :bolo :bolo
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 01:28:26 PM
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 01:39:24 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 01:45:20 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 03:04:59 PM
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2022, 04:44:00 PM
:dead
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2022, 08:03:17 PM
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1498383628891529216
(https://i.insider.com/5509f0d26bb3f767739c1459?width=1200&format=jpeg)
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 01, 2022, 08:05:39 AM
:lol
Post by: james on March 01, 2022, 12:37:38 PM
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U.S. oil price surges 11% to $106 a barrel, a 7-year high prompted by Russia’s assault on Ukraine
Cant wait to see the absolute dipshits in their pickups trucks walking because they cant afford gas
Suck it bitches
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 12:44:48 PM
https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1498709845855424516 (https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1498709845855424516)
lmao a truckers protest with no trucks
Post by: james on March 01, 2022, 12:58:39 PM
Post by: team filler on March 01, 2022, 01:56:16 PM
bring back tvc :stahp
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 01, 2022, 02:18:50 PM
Curious how the Russian credit cards got turned off and suddenly the truckers are nowhere to be found
Just wait till you see the hit to Meta's ad revenues at the end of this quarter :whew
Post by: james on March 01, 2022, 02:23:15 PM
Curious how the Russian credit cards got turned off and suddenly the truckers are nowhere to be found
Just wait till you see the hit to Meta's ad revenues at the end of this quarter :whew
Still time to join me in buying the dip
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2022, 03:24:35 PM
:titus
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 01, 2022, 05:45:10 PM
Post by: team filler on March 01, 2022, 06:07:25 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2022, 09:04:08 PM
:american
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2022, 09:07:44 PM
:biden
Post by: james on March 01, 2022, 10:10:32 PM
Post by: team filler on March 01, 2022, 10:13:20 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2022, 10:25:56 PM
:hmm
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2022, 10:32:27 PM
FACT CHECK: This is awesome. :american
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2022, 11:15:22 PM
Post by: BIONIC on March 02, 2022, 01:33:08 AM
some posters like bionic were still on similac during bush jr :foxx
:walkaway
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2022, 03:04:50 AM
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1498755559977271305
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1498773195071135745
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1498780195842576385
:whoo
Post by: BIONIC on March 02, 2022, 03:09:28 AM
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 04:11:51 AM
Post by: bork on March 02, 2022, 07:06:16 AM
She isn't wrong and Trump would've done it or he would've taken out Putin like he blew up that guy from Iran.
:wut
Post by: james on March 02, 2022, 10:58:42 AM
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 11:00:14 AM
Joe Trump :biden
Post by: Uncle on March 02, 2022, 02:47:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDOYN-6gdRE
Post by: Propagandhim on March 02, 2022, 03:50:35 PM
Never understood how anyone could claim a mask "doesn't do anything." Is there a difference between me sneezing on your face and me sneezing into a mask? Yes? Then it's doing something.
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 04:07:50 PM
Post by: team filler on March 02, 2022, 04:14:37 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 04:32:33 PM
Quote
from Barr book: Trump told his former attorney general the “secret of a really good tweet” was “just the right amount of crazy.”https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1499134259029843968 (https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1499134259029843968)
Post by: james on March 02, 2022, 05:04:03 PM
Oil today: $112
Get fucked gas guzzlers
Post by: Mupepe on March 02, 2022, 05:28:58 PM
Post by: james on March 02, 2022, 06:46:07 PM
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U.S. Rep. Van Taylor, R-Plano, has decided to end his reelection campaign after he was forced into a primary runoff amid 11th-hour allegations of infidelity.
Taylor made the stunning announcement Wednesday, hours after he finished his five-way primary with 49% of the vote, just missing the cutoff for winning the primary outright. The runner-up was former Collin County Judge Keith Self, who is now likely to become the next congressman for the 3rd District.
"About a year ago, I made a horrible mistake that has caused deep hurt and pain among those I love most in this world," Taylor wrote in an email to supporters. "I had an affair, it was wrong, and it was the greatest failure of my life. I want to apologize for the pain I have caused with my indiscretion, most of all to my wife Anne and our three daughters."
Ah standard political scandal
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The day before the primary, the conservative outlet Breitbart News posted a story that Taylor had had a monthslong affair with a Plano woman, Tania Joya, who he had paid $5,000 to keep quiet. The publication reported that she provided it a phone screen shot purporting to be communications with Taylor and a bank record showing that she deposited $5,000 into her account. The Texas Tribune has not been able to independently verify the report.
Taylor is married with three children.
Joya is known as a former jihadist who was once married to a commander for the Islamic State. Tabloids have referred to her as “ISIS bride.”
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/02/van-taylor-reelection/
:doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2022, 07:02:21 PM
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Taylor expressed he wanted “a long slow rim job” while he had a drink. He then requested her to “deep throat” him “while you stroke my cock and I cum on your tonsils.”
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Joya later informed American authorities on Georgelas, and afterward worked on counter-terrorism for three years “so we could drone him,” she said of Georgelas.
And on another site...
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Taylor, a Plano Republican, was one of four Texas Republicans who rejected Donald Trump’s claims that Democrats stole the presidential election through fraud.
:trumps
Post by: team filler on March 02, 2022, 07:19:05 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on March 02, 2022, 07:28:53 PM
Post by: chronovore on March 02, 2022, 10:11:10 PM
She isn't wrong and Trump would've done it or he would've taken out Putin like he blew up that guy from Iran.
No. Trump wants Putin-sempai to notice him, but bombing is off the table.
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 12:56:30 PM
:what
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 01:03:09 PM
KWEEN :mouf
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 01:05:34 PM
Ah standard political scandalhttps://twitter.com/SpecialPuppy1/status/1499143042032353288
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/02/van-taylor-reelection/
:doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge
Post by: BIONIC on March 03, 2022, 01:32:26 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2022, 02:02:27 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 03:16:40 PM
https://twitter.com/elwasson/status/1499455039630417925
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1499474877446701057
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https://twitter.com/ShieldHero85/status/1499465619384774668
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Post by: team filler on March 03, 2022, 06:22:16 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 07:05:23 PM
:american
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 07:09:40 PM
:dead
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 09:45:43 PM
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1499389780001492992
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1499235232586813444
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2022, 10:04:09 PM
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1499575352426958848
Post by: BisMarckie on March 03, 2022, 10:10:09 PM
Post by: team filler on March 03, 2022, 11:31:38 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 04:07:34 AM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1499468473726119938Guess she's the arch duke in this drama
:american
Operation two birds, one stone
Post by: james on March 04, 2022, 02:17:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/That7zJ.png)
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 02:38:01 PM
Post by: james on March 04, 2022, 02:42:20 PM
Its so easy to gift these idiots
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2022, 03:57:18 PM
:doge
Post by: Propagandhim on March 04, 2022, 10:56:18 PM
She's not afraid to tell it like it is!!!!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 05, 2022, 05:35:59 AM
Post by: team filler on March 05, 2022, 08:51:34 AM
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 10:28:33 AM
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 01:09:43 PM
:american Take that Putin! :american
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 01:19:41 PM
https://twitter.com/CarlPaulus/status/1499619047486410752
https://twitter.com/dildomike749592/status/1499622623281565698
https://twitter.com/SaysSimonson/status/1499811703000862728
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 01:55:42 PM
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500156643560112130
https://twitter.com/stephschor/status/1500154865473015808
:american
Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2022, 03:40:45 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 04:20:44 PM
:american
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 08:26:37 PM
:what
:spiders?
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 11:25:55 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 06, 2022, 05:00:53 AM
:trumps
Post by: team filler on March 06, 2022, 10:58:56 AM
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 08:24:02 AM
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 09:13:01 AM
More like Trump send it to them because he was proud of this takedown.
I remember when early on Reince and Sloppy Steve were accusing each other and fighting over leaks when Trump was the leaker all along.
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 12:43:50 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/courage-strength-optimism/iran-plotting-assassination-of-john-bolton-others-even-while-biden-negotiates-nuclear-deal (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/courage-strength-optimism/iran-plotting-assassination-of-john-bolton-others-even-while-biden-negotiates-nuclear-deal)
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EXCLUSIVE — At least two Iranians belonging to the Islamic Revolutionary Guards’ covert-action Quds Force have been plotting to assassinate former national security adviser John Bolton, according to a Justice Department official with direct knowledge of the investigation.
The source tells the Washington Examiner that the department possesses indictable evidence against the Iranians but that Biden administration officials are resisting publicly indicting the men for fear that it could derail their drive for a nuclear deal with Iran, currently nearing completion in negotiations in Vienna, Austria. Biden’s hope is to resume the 2015 JCPOA Iran nuclear accord. Former President Donald Trump withdrew the United States from the accord, and Iran suspended its compliance.
Post by: james on March 07, 2022, 01:51:57 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2022, 03:42:17 PM
:trumps
Post by: Svejk on March 07, 2022, 04:08:44 PM
Post by: BIONIC on March 07, 2022, 04:19:23 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 04:21:23 PM
https://twitter.com/andrewcuomo/status/1500618813213192194
bunch of Cuomosexuals in the comments of the first one :jeanluc
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 04:30:09 PM
Quote from: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-courts-thomas-calls-new-look-giving-facebook-broad-immunity-rcna18982
The Supreme Court should take another look at whether federal law grants social media sites like Facebook broad legal immunity when they are used to commit crimes, Justice Clarence Thomas said Monday.:camby Clarence, it's two sentences long, there's no ambiguity here, you're usually better than this when school children aren't involved, stop listening to your wife
...
After she was rescued by law enforcement, she sued Facebook, but the Texas Supreme Court said a provision of a federal law, known as Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, gives social media sites and other internet providers immunity from lawsuits that arise from something posted by a user.
Thomas said that interpretation of the law is too broad and goes beyond what the statute actually says. Such an expansive reading, he said, results in courts dismissing claims against internet companies for failing to warn consumers of product defects or failing to take reasonable steps to protect users from the malicious activities of other users.
Thomas said it is hard to see why the law “should protect Facebook from liability for its own acts and omissions.”
The Supreme Court on Monday declined to take up the Texas woman’s appeal, citing technical obstacles that prevented the court from having jurisdiction, and Thomas agreed the court should not have taken her specific case. But he said it “should address the proper scope of immunity” in an appropriate case.
Thomas has made similar comments in past cases and has also said social media companies should not be immune from lawsuits that argue they improperly restrict conservative viewpoints.
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 08:18:43 PM
https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1500919206581317634
So much for liberating D.C. :usacry
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 09:40:28 PM
well, we're doomed
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/Brendelbored/status/1501004826133602310
https://twitter.com/feline_cannon/status/1501010512888295425
https://twitter.com/greatistheworld/status/1501022009173544962
https://twitter.com/greatistheworld/status/1501023141526528001
https://twitter.com/feline_cannon/status/1501010512888295425
https://twitter.com/greatistheworld/status/1501022009173544962
https://twitter.com/greatistheworld/status/1501023141526528001
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Post by: james on March 07, 2022, 10:01:31 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2022, 10:14:01 PM
There was an NBC show where they released something that blocked electricity from working we should do thathttps://twitter.com/DanielJBatt/status/1501014178085371910
Post by: Potato on March 07, 2022, 10:18:47 PM
There was an NBC show where they released something that blocked electricity from working we should do thatGiancarlo Esposito was in that playing Giancarlo Esposito
EDIT: Revolution was its name
Post by: james on March 07, 2022, 10:29:32 PM
Post by: chronovore on March 07, 2022, 11:51:23 PM
https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1500236207934029829
:what
:spiders?
She's technically correct, but I don't think she grammar-checked her message. It's probably not what she meant to convey, or she'd have to flush herself.
Post by: team filler on March 07, 2022, 11:56:04 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2022, 12:50:27 AM
:hmm
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https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1500914071998238723
https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1500940894702387200
https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1500940894702387200
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https://twitter.com/Pliny_theElder/status/1500905663429591048
:hmm
:hmm
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Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2022, 01:05:59 AM
https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1500587993488318468
:whatisthis "let’s remember to move past the talking points" ... is that not what we're doing here? :doge
Post by: chronovore on March 08, 2022, 02:52:59 AM
At least, that's my takeaway.
Post by: team filler on March 08, 2022, 03:09:20 AM
Post by: chronovore on March 08, 2022, 03:43:24 AM
she wants us to fall in line and not ask any questions lol
That, too.
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 11:34:00 AM
:biden
Post by: james on March 08, 2022, 11:40:24 AM
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2022, 12:50:11 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNVfhCtWUAEKqHB?format=jpg)
Post by: Uncle on March 08, 2022, 02:31:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4MYjeei.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/IXDO7cv.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/nVYnhpv.gif)
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 08, 2022, 02:40:52 PM
Post by: Uncle on March 08, 2022, 02:51:53 PM
so all you have to say is that they only account for 3% of all oil imports and it becomes clear that she's wrong
don't pull out the one thing she said that's true but misleading :doge
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 01:34:02 PM
:american
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2022, 01:44:08 PM
https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1501240536866435077
:american
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2yqeD0Nus
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 01:47:45 PM
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https://twitter.com/ChrisCillizza/status/787801157355929600
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Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 02:45:19 PM
Quote from: https://freebeacon.com/politics/how-dems-helped-spike-gas-prices/
In late October, for example, the House Oversight and Reform Committee called in the CEOs of Exxon, BP, Shell, and Chevron to explain what steps they are taking to produce less oil and gas, with Rep. Hank Johnson (D., Ga.) alleging that "the world can't wait" any longer. At the time, gas prices were hovering around a 10-year high.
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Some Democrats, such as Rep. Ro Khanna (Calif.), have demanded that domestic oil companies dramatically curtail their domestic operations. At the same time, Khanna has called for the United States to end its dependency on oil imports from countries such as Russia.
In one exchange during the October hearing, Khanna pressed Shell president Gretchen Watkins on whether she agreed that "under the Paris agreement that … we need to have oil and gas production declining every year." After she answered that the company believes "that hydrocarbon demand needs to reduce if we're going to get to net zero [emissions] by 2050," Khanna demanded to know whether Shell will decrease its production by 2 percent each year, a figure initially offered by the company in 2019.
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Khanna also demanded to know whether Chevron CEO Michael Wirth was embarrassed that his company has increased production while "the European counterparts are going down." When Wirth said that global demand has increased, Khanna asked for a commitment to help "bring the actual demand of oil production down."
Rep. Robin Kelly (D., Ill.) continued Khanna's line of questioning Watkins, asking, "Will Shell commit to reducing gas production as part of its emissions reductions plans?"
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Democrats scheduled a followup hearing with oil executives for Tuesday, March 8. That hearing was subsequently canceled last-minute, with no explanation given.
FACT CHECK: It's the PUTIN PRICE HIKE:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNa1CAkWQAQEJw9?format=png&name=900x900)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNa1CAhXsAQydVN?format=png&name=small)
Anyone who wants lower gas prices is providing aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war. :ufup
spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: team filler on March 09, 2022, 05:26:32 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 09, 2022, 05:52:38 PM
https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1501690401912152069 (https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1501690401912152069)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRbRoQcO9os
10 minutes in and you realize the Democrats are doomed
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 07:10:29 PM
Quote from: https://freebeacon.com/democrats/drag-queen-who-says-biden-is-a-senile-white-supremacist-scheduled-to-perform-at-dem-retreat/
The drag queen invited to perform for congressional Democrats during their policy retreat referred to President Joe Biden as "senile" and a "white supremacist" and called his voters "dim-witted.":usacry :fbm :usacry
Lady Bunny, an "iconic drag queen" scheduled to perform on Wednesday during the Democratic retreat in Philadelphia, has spent much of the last year criticizing virtually every aspect of Biden's agenda and some congressional Democrats as well. On Feb. 19, for example, Lady Bunny said Biden's "word, especially on foreign policy, is worth nothing."
On April 26, 2021, Bunny called Biden a "senile conservative" who has been "accused by 8 women" of sexual misconduct. Only someone in a "cult" would bother supporting him, Bunny wrote.
"Maybe the dim-witted (or well-off) boomers who voted for Biden will see who he is after he privatizes Medicare AND cuts their Social Security?" Bunny tweeted on March 3.
Bunny is scheduled to perform on the opening night of the Democratic Party's self-described "Issues Conference." Other events scheduled include "Understanding the Challenges of the She-cession" and "Cocktails, Canvases, and Connections," where Democratic lawmakers can "explore your artistic side by painting a one-of-a-kind masterpiece on canvas while enjoying some refreshments."
Biden's support for the 1994 Crime Bill, Bunny said on Jan. 30, 2022, has "many activists" claiming he's a "white supremacist." And his response to the COVID-19 pandemic, Bunny said on Feb. 7, has been worse than his predecessor's.
"More died under Biden than Trump and that's after we had a vaccine," Bunny wrote in response to another Twitter user who claimed if Hillary Clinton was president, the United States would have fewer coronavirus deaths.
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Bunny's scheduled performance will be hosted by Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairman Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D., N.Y.). In an interview last year with the New York Times, Maloney said his party's strategy to maintain their House majority is to get Biden "out there all around the country and do events in local media markets."
Post by: BIONIC on March 09, 2022, 07:16:43 PM
Quote
"Understanding the Challenges of the She-cession"
:wut
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2022, 07:24:36 PM
https://twitter.com/CawthornforNC/status/1501675409313878016
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https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1501703388198809600
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Post by: team filler on March 09, 2022, 10:06:48 PM
Post by: team filler on March 10, 2022, 02:17:51 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2022, 02:33:52 PM
:popular
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2022, 02:40:52 PM
:trumps
Post by: Nintex on March 10, 2022, 04:41:22 PM
:doge
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2022, 05:12:23 PM
The adults are back in charge! :american
Post by: Potato on March 10, 2022, 05:45:53 PM
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1501904857749405699 (https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1501904857749405699)Both of these clips seem...benign...
:doge
Post by: Nintex on March 10, 2022, 06:14:52 PM
Which flank was it again
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2022, 07:26:51 PM
Return of the king! :jeb
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2022, 12:24:34 PM
https://twitter.com/conorsen/status/1502664180406620164
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Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2022, 12:28:33 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2022, 12:29:04 PM
https://twitter.com/JCColtin/status/1502344939564376064
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2022, 11:04:08 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNnbUtpWUAUNUoc?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 10:52:09 AM
https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1503113473819041796
https://twitter.com/AdamKinzinger/status/1503180267653054466
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1503334083392200707
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1503334100756697091
Nobody, not even Tulsi, seems interested in explaining how this is even remotely treason.
Post by: BisMarckie on March 14, 2022, 12:13:06 PM
What are you? A traitor?
Post by: BisMarckie on March 14, 2022, 12:30:55 PM
CHINA INNOCENT
Post by: james on March 14, 2022, 01:07:15 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 01:40:48 PM
CHINA INNOCENT
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when Trump referred to COVID-19 as the “China virus,” he was secretly referring to the Ukrainian chy-na, and trying to tell the world that the virus was manufactured in Ukraine ...Literally can't argue with this. :trumps
Conspiracists found further “proof” of this theory when someone used Google Translate to figure out that in Ukrainian, “chy-na” means “price.” Combine that with the fact that Trump once said that China would “pay a big price” for spreading COVID-19
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 01:49:34 PM
@BadLegalTakes
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/Tuckwondo/status/1503424383439843333
:whoo this is a deep cut
:whoo this is a deep cut
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Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 03:48:55 PM
:derp
Post by: BisMarckie on March 14, 2022, 03:50:12 PM
I can't read
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 07:31:23 PM
Post by: james on March 14, 2022, 08:38:46 PM
Post by: Potato on March 14, 2022, 10:00:16 PM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1503453581051056129 (https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1503453581051056129)She really is the dumbest of dumb fuck populists.
:derp
Empty sloganeering on Twatter is all she has.
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 10:35:35 PM
@BadLegalTakes
twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1503467489572921346I made this happen.
https://twitter.com/mattcutback/status/1503552591250157574
Indeed. :existential
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 10:55:51 PM
oh god we're doomed
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 15, 2022, 01:02:58 AM
Post by: Potato on March 15, 2022, 01:49:31 AM
Post by: james on March 15, 2022, 02:11:57 AM
The men are typically huge assholes, and the women, while hot, are also arrogant as fuck. And thats before their 9am vodka.
And unlike the italians, they dont even have good food to slide by on
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 15, 2022, 07:25:57 AM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1503453581051056129 (https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1503453581051056129)She really is the dumbest of dumb fuck populists.
:derp
Empty sloganeering on Twatter is all she has.
But that's exactly what her base wants :trumps
Post by: Uncle on March 15, 2022, 07:46:48 AM
I know warmongering, chest-thumping american media blah blah blah, but I find it really hard to feel bad for russians right now and clearly I am in a super-majority
the problem with situations like this is that it gives people a taste of haughty superiority and the pure joy of bullying those who the prevailing culture deems to be wrong, thus beginning the feedback loop of seeking more and more crusader energy
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2022, 02:26:54 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexandraChalup/status/1503578146137939968
well that escalated
Post by: BisMarckie on March 15, 2022, 02:39:42 PM
Post by: BisMarckie on March 15, 2022, 02:41:39 PM
Post by: BisMarckie on March 15, 2022, 02:48:20 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2022, 04:49:44 PM
:hmm
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 15, 2022, 04:59:17 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on March 15, 2022, 05:46:11 PM
https://twitter.com/RBReich/status/1503769130515636229
:hmm
https://twitter.com/lexfridman/status/1503848469315923968
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 15, 2022, 07:17:04 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2022, 06:03:25 AM
:trumps
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2022, 09:31:07 AM
:usacry
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 16, 2022, 11:31:42 AM
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2022, 02:25:23 PM
https://twitter.com/cinemashoebox/status/1504058348844597251 (https://twitter.com/cinemashoebox/status/1504058348844597251)
https://twitter.com/cinemashoebox/status/1504059585660923910 (https://twitter.com/cinemashoebox/status/1504059585660923910)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 16, 2022, 02:54:11 PM
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2022, 05:26:35 PM
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 17, 2022, 03:58:45 AM
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Post by: BIONIC on March 17, 2022, 04:17:15 AM
Post by: Transhuman on March 17, 2022, 04:56:28 AM
1.4/350 million
Post by: tiesto on March 17, 2022, 10:53:11 AM
https://twitter.com/dylanmatt/status/1504148689396412419
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
I honestly find it hard to believe only 3% of Americans are Athiest.
Post by: Uncle on March 17, 2022, 11:22:16 AM
Post by: james on March 17, 2022, 11:27:29 AM
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 01:09:50 PM
The New York and California ones have been explained in prior studies about whether people just take in national news or from sources like The New York Times versus actually paying attention to or favoring local news. It's not unusual to see things that happen in NYC/Cali/DC turn into "national news" stories just because all the news media people are in those areas. I've found it's not even unusual for local news to cover those stories to the detriment of local coverage as if anyone who wants local news actually cares.
Twitter's bubble effects are well known, even though a super majority of people aren't on Twitter this continues.
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 04:03:07 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 04:04:04 PM
https://twitter.com/DodgersFanPG/status/1504500689665413124
https://twitter.com/schwartzbCNBC/status/1504156347130077190
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 04:18:12 PM
:american
edit:
https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1504271777131896834
:american
Post by: tiesto on March 17, 2022, 06:31:34 PM
The King is Back:
https://twitter.com/DodgersFanPG/status/1504500689665413124
https://twitter.com/schwartzbCNBC/status/1504156347130077190
It's a shame Suozzi doesn't have much of a chance, I'd rather him than any of the other candidates. He cleaned up a fiscal shitshow in Nassau.
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 06:59:17 PM
Drag em king! :preach
Quote from: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-17/cuomo-says-he-s-open-to-running-for-n-y-governor-again
Andrew Cuomo said Thursday he’s open to running for New York governor again -- and would consider creating his own political party to do so.:dead
The three-term Democrat, who resigned in August amid a sexual-harassment scandal, delivered his second public address in as many weeks, this time to a group of clergy packed into a small storefront pentecostal church in the Bronx.
Asked if he’s planning a run for governor, Cuomo said, “I’m open to all options.” When asked whether he’d consider creating his own political party to do so, Cuomo said, “I’ve done it before. My father’s done it before.”
...
Cuomo’s late father Mario, meanwhile, ran on the Liberal Party ballot line in his 1977 bid for New York City mayor, after losing the Democratic primary to Edward Koch. Cuomo got 41% of the vote in the general election but lost to Koch, who got 50%.
Post by: Nintex on March 17, 2022, 07:14:13 PM
"America's Comeback"
Post by: chronovore on March 17, 2022, 10:39:27 PM
https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1503858442892627974
:american
edit:
https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1504271777131896834
:american
I wish Keith was smarter and had kept the gendered slur out of it, but MTG is absolutely an ignorant asshole.
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2022, 10:43:34 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 18, 2022, 05:47:03 AM
So the Hunter emails were real.
10% for the big guy :biden
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2022, 08:12:54 PM
:american :american :american :american
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2022, 04:19:43 AM
Quote from: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/paulmcleod/daylight-saving-time-senate
WASHINGTON — The Senate’s unanimous passage of a bill to make daylight saving time permanent stunned many Americans, not least of which the senators themselves.
In a twist the Founding Fathers likely did not anticipate, quirky Senate conventions and a decision by staff in Sen. Tom Cotton’s office may result in an overhaul in the nation’s time zones.
Reporters and politicos were caught off guard Tuesday afternoon when the Sunshine Protection Act sailed through the Senate without issue, with no senators speaking up to object to it passing by unanimous consent. Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, serving as Senate chair overseeing the motion at the time, broke composure, burst into a grin, and whispered, “Yes!”
“I was surprised that someone didn’t object,” she told BuzzFeed News the next day, while noting that Arizona does not change its clocks, “because we’re smart.”
Any single senator could have blocked the daylight saving bill from passing but many didn’t know it was even happening. Sen. Rick Scott, a permanent daylight saving time proponent who signed a similar bill into law when he was governor of Florida, said he would have gone to give a speech on the Senate floor if he had known. Asked to re-create his reaction to the news, Sen. Chris Coons issued a series of shocked stammers that is impossible to phonetically translate.
One Senate source with knowledge of the situation said Sen. Tom Cotton vehemently opposes making daylight saving time permanent.
“No comment,” Cotton told BuzzFeed News when asked if he opposed the bill.
The source said that Cotton would have objected to the unanimous consent request, but his staff never told him it was happening.
“No comment,” Cotton told BuzzFeed News when asked why he didn’t object to the bill.
Quote
Other senators, it seems, were not told by their staff that the request was happening.:american
Coons is one of them. He said that he and some other senators reacted to the news by asking Rubio if they’d given everyone a heads up, and were told yes.
“It’s literally an issue my staff and I had never discussed, and they made an assumption that I don’t really care about daylight saving time,” Coons said. “And I don’t know if I do! I’ve never taken five minutes to stop and think about it.”
During a hotline, a senator’s legislative director typically vets the request. But sometimes those staff will decide an issue is too benign or obviously doomed to bother their boss with. “A lot of things try to get hotlined every day,” said Sen. Dan Sullivan (who, when asked if he knew the move was coming, did not explicitly answer but said, “you know, it wasn’t, like, my highest priority in the US Senate”).
Post by: Nintex on March 19, 2022, 06:33:03 AM
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2022, 01:36:15 AM
well that escalated
Post by: james on March 20, 2022, 07:31:34 PM
Is there a prayer bank where we hope he dies quickly?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 21, 2022, 03:56:42 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 21, 2022, 11:31:13 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2022, 01:11:25 AM
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1505964846172491780
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2022, 01:14:23 AM
Senior Correspondent, Vox.
NEVER FORGET
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIMGoMyXMAIaVoV?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Post by: Potato on March 22, 2022, 01:23:25 AM
I love her more every day:...and people were worried that Biden had dementia.
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1505964846172491780
Post by: Polident Hive on March 22, 2022, 01:33:14 AM
Post by: Nintex on March 22, 2022, 06:39:35 AM
And he says: "Sir, that's the clocks ticking sir, they tell us the time in any part of the world even if we lose power".
It was the most incredible sight and they were tick tocking all over the place and I probably understood it better than anyone else, I call it the timezone.
:trumps
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2022, 05:09:58 PM
:letsfukk
Post by: Nintex on March 22, 2022, 07:24:55 PM
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1506307280140128259 (https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1506307280140128259)
Post by: team filler on March 22, 2022, 11:43:43 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 23, 2022, 05:25:30 AM
:trumps
Post by: Tasty on March 23, 2022, 08:11:36 AM
CUOMO/WEINER 2024
"America's Comeback"
:clap
Post by: Tasty on March 23, 2022, 08:12:39 AM
She’s just quoting Interstellar. Blame Nolan’s writing.
I often do.
Post by: Transhuman on March 23, 2022, 09:06:39 AM
Post by: Nintex on March 23, 2022, 07:47:18 PM
Post by: team filler on March 23, 2022, 08:06:58 PM
Post by: Potato on March 23, 2022, 08:19:57 PM
Interstellar is a great movie thoA bit too self-indulgent for my tastes
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2022, 08:29:57 PM
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1506726969160908805
https://twitter.com/kentnish/status/1506726637412532228
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1506725197063213056
:american
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2022, 08:39:43 PM
Trump says Brooks has gone "woke" for thinking he should move on from the 2020 election:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOiMi4WXEAcrPlq?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2022, 08:47:11 AM
:mindblown
Post by: james on March 25, 2022, 12:33:56 AM
https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1507107449710559243
Post by: chronovore on March 25, 2022, 12:35:18 AM
Wasnt Nintex telling us about these Gitmo trials
https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1507107449710559243
QAnon is the most immersive LARP I've ever encountered.
Post by: team filler on March 25, 2022, 02:39:51 AM
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2022, 04:49:30 PM
:rollsafe
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2022, 05:34:46 PM
:hesright
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2022, 09:20:08 PM
FACT CHECK: This is based, jack. :biden
Post by: Nintex on March 26, 2022, 08:45:37 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1507880783452598276 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1507880783452598276)
Post by: Nintex on March 27, 2022, 07:02:36 AM
https://twitter.com/pauldbowen/status/1508016947522375688 (https://twitter.com/pauldbowen/status/1508016947522375688)
https://twitter.com/pauldbowen/status/1508017378122252291 (https://twitter.com/pauldbowen/status/1508017378122252291)
why have they added crowd reaction shots :doge
Post by: james on March 27, 2022, 06:45:26 PM
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2022, 02:30:26 PM
* Hospitals begging for help after firing unvaccinated staff
* Schools clamoring to deny CRT after being exposed for supporting it
* Democrats walking back "defund the police" rhetoric
* Support for stricter policing in "no bail" blue districts due to rising crime
* Unpopular gas prices proving the pivot to forcing green energy/sabotaging fossil fuels was premature
I'm just glad that the obviously bad progressive policies have shown to be dead fruit.
Vote Republican. Progressivism doesn't work. Go woke go broke, literally.
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2022, 02:33:59 PM
ZEHAHAHAHAHA :rejoice
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2022, 02:45:05 PM
NY employees fired for being unvaccinated while the mayor of NYC allows privileged athletes finally get to play. Meanwhile privilege yuppies still cry in their pajamas about having to go to work like the mediocre monstrosities they are. I can't work in pajamas?! Progressivism breeds mediocrity.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/york-city-vaccine-mandate-rollback-prompts-concerns-double/story?id=83648663
Progressive thought is a black hole of virtue. Progressives are fantastic at finding problems, horrible at finding solutions. Which is precisely every single progressive antidote is having blowback. Leftism is trash and doesn't work.
Post by: bork on March 28, 2022, 02:50:29 PM
Vote Republican. Progressivism doesn't work. Go woke go broke, literally.
Leftism is trash and doesn't work.
OK. This isn't your personal blog and the same "points" don't need to keep coming up over and over again.
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2022, 03:00:36 PM
Vote Republican. Progressivism doesn't work. Go woke go broke, literally.Leftism is trash and doesn't work.
OK. This isn't your personal blog and the same "points" don't need to keep coming up over and over again.
Who said it was a blog? Does it offend you Bork? See? They are fine with endless posts of one perspective. See how they buckle to the briars of broad opinions. Feel the wind of a waved hand, clogged up nose sniffing such a stench in the bowels of their sundered septum as an opinion that happens to be opposite of what you agree with an articulated in an aggressive manner, the same way they put their narrative all over everything.
Post by: bork on March 28, 2022, 03:02:58 PM
Well, let's try again in another month.
Post by: Potato on March 28, 2022, 03:54:02 PM
Post by: james on March 28, 2022, 04:22:14 PM
Admiral Benji, you have my vote
Post by: DJ Bedroom on March 28, 2022, 07:51:44 PM
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 28, 2022, 08:47:43 PM
See how they buckle to the briars of broad opinions. Feel the wind of a waved hand, clogged up nose sniffing such a stench in the bowels of their sundered septum as an opinion that happens to be opposite of what you agree with an articulated in an aggressive manner, the same way they put their narrative all over everything.
:skinner
Post by: therealdeal on March 28, 2022, 09:39:54 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2022, 12:11:22 AM
See? They are fine with endless posts of one perspective.A plurality, if not majority, of posts in this thread are probably by me and Nintex breh. Neither of us vote Democratic in United States elections.
Post by: Nintex on March 29, 2022, 11:02:50 AM
https://twitter.com/ConnieSchultz/status/1508793405962342403 (https://twitter.com/ConnieSchultz/status/1508793405962342403)
But everyone forgot that we already know what Trump was doing that day.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPA9YNBXsAo2xhc?format=jpg)
:trumps
In other news, the rumors(what rumors?) are true he's
https://twitter.com/realLizUSA/status/1508587658695610375 (https://twitter.com/realLizUSA/status/1508587658695610375)
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on March 29, 2022, 11:12:09 AM
Can barely reach down to grab hole in one.
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2022, 01:08:00 PM
Post by: HaughtyFrank on March 29, 2022, 04:33:10 PM
:wut
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 29, 2022, 07:40:55 PM
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 29, 2022, 09:21:57 PM
never knew this wasnt just a Dirty Harry thing
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2022, 11:51:43 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 30, 2022, 05:09:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziEfOkp6Kkw
That YouTube account Avi :lawd
Post by: Transhuman on March 30, 2022, 01:51:07 PM
I think even Lia might be upset about what they did to her here. It's like when Time was accused of making OJ 's picture blacker, only this seems way more deliberate and editorially motivated.
Post by: Nintex on March 30, 2022, 06:56:03 PM
:trumps
Post by: Nintex on March 31, 2022, 05:17:55 AM
you can save her filler
Post by: james on March 31, 2022, 11:24:46 AM
This guy
Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2022, 01:33:58 PM
whoops
Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2022, 01:35:51 PM
https://twitter.com/MZanona/status/1509336813785210887
https://twitter.com/CawthornforNC/status/1509543302001049612
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 31, 2022, 02:28:46 PM
Post by: team filler on March 31, 2022, 10:59:44 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on March 31, 2022, 11:51:30 PM
what are you gonna do? remove rubio from power?
Post by: Mupepe on April 01, 2022, 12:41:59 AM
Post by: team filler on April 01, 2022, 12:43:35 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 01, 2022, 12:44:54 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 01, 2022, 04:30:53 PM
Quote
Scoop: Jen Psaki planning to leave White House this spring for MSNBC gig
lol
Post by: BIONIC on April 01, 2022, 05:29:53 PM
Post by: Potato on April 01, 2022, 06:22:48 PM
Me and filler are waiting for her only fans gig :hmphPM me when she launches.
Thicc redheads in powersuits
:mouf
Post by: Potato on April 02, 2022, 05:59:24 AM
The cross pollination and inter changeability between journalists and political media advisors is an indication of the decline in journalistic standards and ethics.Who wants a surprise?QuoteScoop: Jen Psaki planning to leave White House this spring for MSNBC gig
lol
Gross. I don't think press secretaries should be able to work for any news outlet, but there should at least be a year moratorium or something. All the Trump people left and immediately got jobs at Fox or Newsmax. Shit is unethical, imo.
Instead of defending and defining themselves by their neutrality, they now wear their political affiliations on their sleeves.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 02, 2022, 06:23:26 AM
Post by: Potato on April 02, 2022, 06:32:18 AM
they also suckJen can Psaki my dick for sure
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 02, 2022, 06:33:33 AM
they also suckJen can Psaki my dick for sure
(https://i.imgur.com/wSg7Jqt.jpg)
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2022, 10:59:00 AM
She's actually been in negotiations with multiple news networks for almost a year now. They love the Psaki Bombs and can't wait to replace Maddow with them.Who wants a surprise?QuoteScoop: Jen Psaki planning to leave White House this spring for MSNBC gig
lol
Gross. I don't think press secretaries should be able to work for any news outlet, but there should at least be a year moratorium or something. All the Trump people left and immediately got jobs at Fox or Newsmax. Shit is unethical, imo.
As you note, she's not the first to hop to the media but she's the first I can recall who's actually leaving the position to take up a prominent media job. Most of them have stepped down and then done a few appearances as guests or whatever for a while before eventually getting on a show. Dana Perino was just a guest for I don't know how long before she finally got on The Five. Many of the Trump people had to go slum at places like OAN or Newsmax.
Tony Snow did go the opposite way, from Fox to the White House, but that seems more "proper" somehow. Like you're hiring someone good at their job or whatever. The other way seems more unseemly I think because you're hiring someone whose job has been literally to lie and spin for the second most powerful man in the world. (After the Texas Lt. Governor.) But when feeding a partisan audience they really only care that the person is on the right team.
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2022, 01:02:41 PM
We should develop a political party that wants to get the government out of trying to manage businesses. I know it will never work but still...
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2022, 01:12:06 PM
https://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/status/1510057675316416512
Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2022, 03:49:03 PM
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1510559893169664007
Post by: james on April 06, 2022, 02:31:53 PM
Quote
Republican Ralph Shortey, a former Oklahoma state senator, Trump’s Oklahoma campaign chair to plead guilt to child sex trafficking
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-s-oklahoma-campaign-chair-plead-guilt-child-sex-trafficking-n822461?fbclid=IwAR142W77Q5Dan71BsxC_5uH8h1BBA4EGyqP_VMsrx7lSvoPX9Njjvt0oHK0
Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert was indicted on federal charges of structuring bank withdrawals after prosecutors alleged Hastert had molested at least four boys as young as 14 and attempted to compensate his victims and subsequently conceal the transactions. Hastert eventually admitted that he sexually abused the boys whom he had coached decades earlier, and was sentenced to fifteen months in prison.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/us/dennis-hastert-released.html
Republican Tim Nolan, chairman of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in Kentucky, pled guilty to child sex trafficking and on February 11, 2018 he was sentenced to serve 20 years in prison.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/05/03/former-judge-tim-nolan-could-sentenced-today-more-drama-could-get-way/577947002/
Republican state Senator Ralph Shortey was indicted on four counts of human trafficking and child pornography. In November 2017, he pleaded guilty to one count of child sex trafficking in exchange for the dropping of the other charges.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/20/former-oklahoma-state-senator-admits-to-child-sex-trafficking-while-in-office/
Republican Minnesota State Representative Jim Knoblach Drops Out Of Race After Daughter Says He Molested Her For More Than Ten Years 22 Sep 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/22/lawmaker-quits-race-after-daughter-says-he-molested-her-more-than-decade/?utm_term=.8ac8527c7f43
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=28587
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
http://www.lanternproject.org.uk/library/child-abuse-arrests-and-court-cases/child-abuse-arrests-trials-and-proceedings/ex-county-commissioner-admits-sexual-abuse-of-girl/
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20120426/NEWS90/204260334
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_Misla_Aldarondo
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giordano
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
http://archive.easyreadernews.com/archives/news2001/0621/rb%20Shortridge.php
Republican Senator Strom Thurmond, a notable racist, had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/18/nyregion/embroiled-first-selectman-takes-leave.html
Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/25/us/teen-ager-in-ohio-testifies-to-sex-with-a-congressman.html
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2003/04/24/gop-activist-admits-to-child-porn/5af2adf0-bec8-4a10-b061-014de679422a/?utm_term=.d7ebcbf4f92b
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/view.aspx?index=437
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
https://www.westword.com/news/randy-ankeney-suit-that-could-free-thousands-of-prisoners-headed-to-state-supreme-court-6054115
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Crane
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/02/opinion/journal-beverly-russell-s-prayers.html
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bauman
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
http://www.njherald.com/article/20060510/ARTICLE/305109971
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawyer/archives/2007/08/28/the-latest-republican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/06/us/politics-the-senate-maine-candidate-again-faces-1990-child-sex-accusation.html
Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
http://www.thedp.com/article/2004/01/brother_stephen_convicted_of_soliciting_sex
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
https://www.houstonpress.com/news/jon-matthews-conservative-talk-show-host-and-sex-offender-pulled-from-kpfts-prison-show-6740755
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
https://culteducation.com/group/1255-false-memories/6514-man-in-notorious-sex-case-finishes-term.html
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
https://www.semissourian.com/story/57773.html
Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawyer/archives/2007/08/28/the-latest-republican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same
Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
http://www.chattanoogan.com/2002/6/21/23202/Tennessee-Legislator-Commits-Suicide.aspx
Republican Kentucky state Representative & pastor Dan Johnson, who committed suicide after an exposé revealed his serial lies, suspected arson, criminal church, racism, accused rape of a teen, and more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Johnson_%28Kentucky_politician%29
:pika
Post by: DJ Bedroom on April 06, 2022, 07:25:51 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 07, 2022, 12:13:42 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/aoxamaxoa/status/1511441788023697408
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2022, 12:19:38 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 07, 2022, 12:23:48 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 07, 2022, 12:37:12 PM
I'm furious.Hi furious, I'm benji.
Post by: Sman on April 07, 2022, 02:36:20 PM
I'm furious.
I can't stop talking about it. I thought going to the bore would be a distraction, but... the watch is still here. I need to vent somewhere else.
Post by: james on April 07, 2022, 03:03:59 PM
:pika
Post by: benjipwns on April 07, 2022, 03:08:47 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 07, 2022, 03:12:40 PM
https://twitter.com/Ximena_Bustillo/status/1511444239011487751
Post by: who is ted danson? on April 07, 2022, 03:56:17 PM
Post by: james on April 07, 2022, 05:16:09 PM
https://twitter.com/heatherscope/status/1511444541093646338
Post by: Potato on April 07, 2022, 06:12:11 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 08, 2022, 12:52:51 PM
Post by: james on April 08, 2022, 01:12:05 PM
Post by: Uncle on April 08, 2022, 01:24:44 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2022, 07:30:59 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on April 08, 2022, 08:50:50 PM
King shit
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 08, 2022, 09:59:57 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2022, 03:10:25 PM
Quote from: benjipwns, http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=47891.msg3026052#msg3026052
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLzvh6UVEAY_Dzv?format=jpg&name=medium)The good news is that she's polling at less than 4%. (She's included in "Other" in polls and they collectively get 4% or less.)
http://kandisstaylor.com/endorsements/
:american
The bad news:
https://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes/status/1513181951523360770
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du5ygvAw29Q
She has a PhD. :hitler
Post by: Potato on April 11, 2022, 03:18:27 AM
Previously on The Bire USA Politics thread:Quote from: benjipwns, http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=47891.msg3026052#msg3026052(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLzvh6UVEAY_Dzv?format=jpg&name=medium)
She has a PhD.
Her PhD:
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 11, 2022, 10:15:44 AM
Post by: james on April 12, 2022, 11:33:17 AM
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Consumer prices rose 8.5% in March, slightly hotter than expected and the highest since 1981
Headline CPI in March rose by 8.5% from a year ago, the fastest annual gain since December 1981 and one-tenth of a percentage point above the estimate.
Real worker earnings fell by another 0.8% during the month as the cost of living outpaced otherwise strong pay gains.
Still, due to the surge in inflation, real earnings, despite rising 5.6% from a year ago, weren’t keeping pace with the cost of living. Real average hourly earnings posted a seasonally adjusted 0.8% decline for the month, according to a separate Bureau of Labor Statistics report.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/12/consumer-prices-rose-8point5percent-in-march-slightly-hotter-than-expected.html
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2022, 05:53:02 PM
IMPEACH
Post by: BIONIC on April 12, 2022, 05:58:25 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2022, 06:00:20 PM
IMPEACH
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2022, 06:11:57 PM
:trumps
Post by: BIONIC on April 12, 2022, 07:13:43 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 12, 2022, 07:24:31 PM
:rejoice
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2022, 05:02:48 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQOLS1PXMAE2zmR?format=jpg&name=small)
Common mistakes, who doesn't totally make up everything about their business career and forget what they own in what states? :trumps
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 13, 2022, 08:33:43 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on April 14, 2022, 07:46:35 AM
:o :o :omg
Post by: Uncle on April 14, 2022, 08:20:41 AM
Post by: james on April 14, 2022, 09:58:57 AM
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2022, 12:28:47 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQTU4ojX0AY55lK?format=png&name=small)But what about covert Twitter? :thinking
:o :o :omg
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 14, 2022, 12:46:25 PM
Post by: james on April 14, 2022, 01:25:36 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2022, 05:04:56 PM
Post by: james on April 14, 2022, 05:06:52 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on April 15, 2022, 10:52:02 AM
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2022, 12:49:30 PM
:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2022, 04:31:20 PM
How is that not a joke account :lolShe locked down last night but she was back this morning:
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1514943616669597703
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1514953286302019585
very very mad at the Attorney General for knowing the law better than she does
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1514966647441866763
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1514971389182320642
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1514972996691435521
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1514973924697821189
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1515007247667146753
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1515017712166178829
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1515023315429113857
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1514971389182320642
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1514972996691435521
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1514973924697821189
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1515007247667146753
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1515017712166178829
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1515023315429113857
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expert lawyering gibberish
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1514962677617074182
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1514937337754664965
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1514617653880496138
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1514937337754664965
https://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1514617653880496138
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Post by: VomKriege on April 17, 2022, 06:00:55 AM
Post by: benjipwns on April 17, 2022, 09:33:53 PM
This got deleted:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQkjbs7VcAEknX8?format=jpg&name=small)
Meanwhile, also in the replies:
(https://i.imgur.com/4pioBjv.png)
:hmm
Post by: Occam on April 18, 2022, 12:38:10 AM
Conservatives are teaming with politicians to remove books and gut library boards
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/04/17/public-libraries-books-censorship/
All is going according to plan in America.
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2022, 09:37:54 AM
Post by: james on April 19, 2022, 10:58:37 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 19, 2022, 11:46:50 AM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 19, 2022, 11:58:09 AM
Post by: DJ Bedroom on April 19, 2022, 06:32:46 PM
Censorship battles’ new frontier: Your public libraryThis legitimately pissed me off. A few years ago, this would've been an onion article or something
Conservatives are teaming with politicians to remove books and gut library boards
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/04/17/public-libraries-books-censorship/
All is going according to plan in America.
Post by: benjipwns on April 20, 2022, 01:48:48 AM
https://twitter.com/jaredpolis/status/1516505564657774595
Post by: benjipwns on April 20, 2022, 09:48:38 AM
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In its recently passed $1.5 trillion omnibus spending bill, Congress included just $75 million for election security. That’s a fraction of what lawmakers authorized in 2020 and an amount experts say is nowhere near sufficient to address the needs ahead of the next election.
At the center of this failure is the Brennan Center, an influential liberal think tank and advocacy organization. Based in New York City, the Brennan Center rarely gets public scrutiny, but it plays an outsize role in the strategic direction of the movement pushing for voting rights and election reform. That flows partly from its massive war chest, which has skyrocketed over the last decade: Between 2010 and 2020, its net earnings grew from $196,000 to $58 million. Its assets jumped from $8 million to $90 million.
That financial firepower, coupled with the credibility in Washington that it has built over the years, gives the Brennan Center effective veto power over the voting rights advocacy coalition it leads. In Congress, revisions to election and voting laws are often met with the question, “What does the Brennan Center think?”
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This made the Brennan Center’s decision to pull back on the effort to fund elections all the more consequential. Its political attention and lobbying shifted to passing the Freedom to Vote Act, the Democrats’ comprehensive voting rights bill that would, among other things, expand voter registration, ban partisan gerrymandering, weaken state-level voter ID requirements, and restore preclearance, a key provision of the 1965 Voting Rights Act. The Brennan Center played a key role in crafting the omnibus legislation, including its earlier iterations like the “For the People Act.”
In a letter sent to congressional leadership in late July, a coalition of 19 national advocacy groups, including the NAACP, the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, and Mi Familia Vota, urged Congress to allocate $20 billion for election infrastructure, citing the hundreds of local election officials, mayors, and secretaries of state who had begged for that amount earlier in the month. “As the individuals and leaders closest to the administration of fair and secure elections, they have collectively called for federal support in meeting the immense needs they face,” the national groups wrote. “We write to add our voices to that important ask.”
The Brennan Center declined to sign.
“It was one of the most jaw-dropping moments of my professional life,” said one election reform lobbyist whose organization signed the letter and who requested anonymity to describe the coalition’s private discussions.
Michael Waldman, president of the Brennan Center, said his organization “felt that the dollar amount that the letter was asking for did not make sense based on our expertise and research and policy analysis … that it was too much,” though he could not say what a better figure would be. “My colleagues on this who are aligned certainly thought it was too much, and we thought the dollar amount was too high to be asking for at that time,” he added.
The timing of the ask also didn’t strike them as appropriate, Waldman said. “It was in the heat of the fight for the [For the People] Act, which we regard as the most important voting rights legislation in half a century. … I thought that [the request] was a distraction and a detour from the very hard fight needed to pass voting rights legislation.”
His comments about the size of the request for election funding reflected a departure from the Brennan Center’s previous public statements, a fact noticed by both this reporter and the organization’s press shop. The following day, a Brennan Center spokesperson, Alexandra Ringe, who had been listening in on our interview, called to ask if I would consider taking Waldman’s statements about the size of the election funding request off the record, saying they would not go over well with their coalition partners. I declined.
In a subsequent email, Ringe wrote that Waldman had “misremembered the decision-making related to the sign-on letter” and that fear of distracting from the Freedom to Vote Act was the sole factor in the Brennan Center’s decision not to sign. Waldman himself followed up to say that he had misspoken in our previous conversation, reiterating that the organization chose not to sign the letter “because of our concerns … that it would distract from the final push for voting rights legislation.”
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The Election Infrastructure Initiative, a project of the Center for Tech and Civic Life and the Center for Secure and Modern Elections, puts the tab to fully modernize U.S. elections at $53 billion over the next 10 years. The initiative has called on Congress to allocate less than half of that, $20 billion. That ask has been endorsed in letters by secretaries of state, mayors, and election administrators. In a February poll by Data for Progress, nearly three-quarters of respondents supported congressional spending to upgrade state and local voting equipment and security systems.
Many local election leaders have struggled to understand why the Brennan Center — a group with the ear of influential Democrats in Congress — dropped prioritization of election funding over the last year, particularly after helping elevate their concerns during the pandemic. Moreover, while the Freedom to Vote Act would push many election reforms that are needed and overdue, those changes would not come cheap. Advocates worried that chaos could come from a slew of new unfunded mandates.
Jessica Huseman, one of the country’s leading voting rights journalists, detailed many of these concerns publicly last spring in a Daily Beast op-ed. The For the People Act “was written with apparently no consultation with election administrators, and it shows,” Huseman wrote, noting that it was packed with deadlines and obligations that would be impossible for election officials to meet. “The sections of the bill related to voting systems … show remarkably little understanding of the problems the authors apply alarmingly prescriptive solutions to.”
The Brennan Center quickly issued a defense of the bill it had helped draft, publishing a response to Huseman’s piece on its website. The center defended the amount authorized in funding for upgrades and maintenance. But “there have been millions in authorized funding that has never been appropriated,” Huseman, who currently serves as editorial director of Votebeat, told me. “Looking specifically to voting, the funding promised in the Help America Vote Act took 15 years to actually become appropriated, even though the states were on the hook for the requirements long before this. This is the origin of the anxiety for state election administrators, and I think it’s a well-founded concern.”
“Brennan Center gets way over their skis on election policy,” said one national election reformer who has partnered with the organization on research and requested anonymity because their organization shares some of the same funders as the Brennan Center. “They’ve been great [at] fleshing out the more liberal position on voting rights, but when it comes to election administration … they are not that connected to the election officials community … and they haven’t really wrestled with the implications of what they advocate for.”
“The charitable answer is they didn’t want to have a fight about money until after the bill had passed, but you can easily pass the bill and not win the money,” said the election lobbyist, who was shocked that the center didn’t join the July letter.
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Throughout July, as Senate Democrats prepared their $3.5 trillion social spending request, lawmakers assured state and local election officials that their proposal would include billions for election funding. A Politico story published just four days before the package was unveiled confirmed that lawmakers were eyeing as much as $15 to $20 billion for that purpose and felt confident that they could deliver, even as their voting rights bill remained stalled.
But at the eleventh hour the funding was pulled, at the urging of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., who had “abruptly” changed her mind, as Huseman reported in a detailed ticktock of the negotiations. Rep. John Sarbanes, D-Md., the author of the For the People Act, had convinced Pelosi that authorizing election funding would reduce their leverage to pass his bill, the same argument the Brennan Center used to justify not signing the coalition letter.
Leading negotiations in the Senate, Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., was angry. She felt blindsided by Pelosi’s move, per Huseman’s sources, even as spokespersons for both House leaders defended the last-minute cuts. The spokespersons told Huseman that election funding would require more “safeguards” to ensure it couldn’t be used for voter suppression, but top federal elections experts say there is no history of misspending those funds. “After all,” Huseman wrote, “it costs far less money to close polling locations and remove drop boxes, and state legislatures across the country have been doing this without any additional spending since the 2020 election.” (Klobuchar, Pelosi, and Sarbanes did not return The Intercept’s requests for comment for this story.)
“All of the money that’s been released has been for specific purposes,” Kathleen Hale, a political scientist who directs the Election Administration Initiative at Auburn University, told The Intercept. “It’s all been audited; I’ve been doing this for the last 15 years, and there’s absolutely nothing going on like that.”
While it was becoming too late in the negotiations process to pivot to funding elections in the infrastructure deal, the Democrats’ Freedom to Vote Act was looking increasingly doomed in the Senate. Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., made it clear that she was not willing to gut the filibuster — a legislative move that would have been required to ensure the bill’s passage. A Punchbowl News survey of senior congressional staffers found that even among Democratic staff, just 12 percent thought the bill had a shot.
Some leaders urged Congress to push forward with a narrower bill, abandoning demands like public financing of elections, to which Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., had expressed strong opposition. Others within the voting rights coalition faced immense pressure to stay quiet when they raised concerns about technical language in the statute, saying the Brennan Center in particular warned that even private deliberations could derail passage of the bill itself.
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Election funding and election subversion are not unrelated issues. While immediate fears about subversion have been tied to rogue election clerks and state legislators, poorly funding elections heightens risk too. “Inadequately funded elections can lead to foreign or domestic actors tampering with our voting technology, voter registration databases, or machines that count ballots,” said Hasen. “And when funding is inadequate it creates opportunities for mistakes to happen and creates opportunities for people to try to manipulate things without oversight.”:american
Post by: benjipwns on April 21, 2022, 08:22:39 PM
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Post by: chronovore on April 21, 2022, 10:46:06 PM
Post by: Transhuman on April 22, 2022, 12:07:53 AM
Post by: VomKriege on April 22, 2022, 04:46:35 AM
Post by: remy on April 22, 2022, 06:49:14 AM
His band was okay thoughfucking stole my joke
my years of comedy school
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2022, 09:44:12 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 22, 2022, 11:37:52 AM
Post by: Occam on April 22, 2022, 05:33:49 PM
Post by: HaughtyFrank on April 22, 2022, 08:40:48 PM
:lol
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2022, 09:48:54 PM
Post by: team filler on April 23, 2022, 12:36:47 AM
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 24, 2022, 09:51:15 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2022, 10:43:00 PM
https://twitter.com/JerylBier/status/1518378365731880961
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2022, 10:44:13 PM
Post by: Transhuman on April 25, 2022, 01:45:18 AM
Post by: Transhuman on April 25, 2022, 04:13:31 AM
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 25, 2022, 11:10:16 AM
Post by: VomKriege on April 26, 2022, 08:04:57 AM
https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1518438352017580032
Post by: Occam on April 26, 2022, 08:55:18 AM
Trucker Itinerant Circus going wellVery satisfying video
https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1518438352017580032
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Wmh2Hu_24&t=282
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 26, 2022, 04:19:33 PM
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The message – one of more than 2,000 texts turned over by Meadows to the House select committee investigating January 6 and first reported by CNN – shows that some of Trump’s most ardent allies on Capitol Hill were pressing for Trump to return himself to office even after the Capitol attack.
“In our private chat with only Members several are saying the only way to save our Republic is for Trump to call Marshall [sic] law,” Greene texted on 17 January. “I just wanted you to tell him. They stole this election. We all know. They will destroy our country next.”
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Meadows did not appear to respond to Greene’s text.
spot the shoot and the work
Post by: DJ Bedroom on April 26, 2022, 07:02:42 PM
Post by: VomKriege on April 27, 2022, 12:12:36 AM
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2022, 08:10:29 AM
:existential
Post by: Uncle on April 27, 2022, 09:03:29 AM
Post by: Himu on April 27, 2022, 03:37:13 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 27, 2022, 04:01:34 PM
https://twitter.com/travis_view/status/1519094035683577857
This is the sign I see on my commute everyday now.
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/67946b_7540844b85104d9ab80ec453ac2a8f51~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_560,h_560,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/Just%20the%20Flu.jpg)
Going to be a great election year!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 27, 2022, 04:04:43 PM
Post by: Himu on April 27, 2022, 07:03:20 PM
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Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas testified Wednesday that the Department of Homeland Security is creating a "Disinformation Governance Board" to combat misinformation ahead of the 2022 midterms.
Mayorkas appeared before the House Appropriations Subcommittee to discuss the fiscal 2023 budget for the Department of Homeland Security.
This is complete and utter federal oversight. What is considered "misinformation?" Because memes you post on FB are labeled misinformation now.
And of course it's for midterms. ::)
Libs are the baddies. Straight out of 1984 for "protection". Like I said. their flock will be fine with this because mask mandates were fine, and vaccine mandates were fine, so this too should be fine. The liberal need to label fascism and other pet names are nothing more than projections from their most inner most wants.
The fact it comes from the Biden Administration is even more harrowing. The day after Elon Musk buys Twitter they reveal this. Like I said, they're showing their chess moves. You make that move? No see, we have the whole board. Two years ago Twitter silenced New York Post when they revealed Hunter's laptop. For years it was labeled "misinformation" until it wasn't and was confirmed by NYT and WAPO. And now the President, the father of that man, has an administration building a division to fight "misinformation"?
Um. Hard pass.
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 27, 2022, 08:25:38 PM
Post by: Occam on April 28, 2022, 02:52:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm8QfxZ3HHw
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 28, 2022, 07:23:21 AM
Post by: VomKriege on April 28, 2022, 05:07:19 PM
https://twitter.com/MikaelThalen/status/1519491100695703552
Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2022, 08:55:28 PM
https://twitter.com/osamabishounen/status/1519096318974586880
:jnc
Post by: Nintex on April 29, 2022, 04:58:01 AM
https://twitter.com/TomCottonAR/status/1519703686569672704 (https://twitter.com/TomCottonAR/status/1519703686569672704)
Trump's crackheads have some serious competition :whew
Post by: Nintex on April 29, 2022, 01:17:17 PM
:pika
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 29, 2022, 01:23:55 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 29, 2022, 01:57:17 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 01, 2022, 03:17:20 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2022, 03:31:38 PM
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1520161452891549697 (https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1520161452891549697)
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 01, 2022, 04:55:16 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 01, 2022, 07:18:12 PM
Why did no one tell me about this
Post by: james on May 02, 2022, 10:15:29 PM
:pika
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2022, 10:22:49 PM
Post by: james on May 02, 2022, 10:41:34 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2022, 10:44:17 PM
Its 90 pages Benji.FACT CHECK: 23 of those are an appendix I didn't read any of or even skim.
Post by: Occam on May 02, 2022, 10:45:20 PM
Post by: VomKriege on May 03, 2022, 08:48:53 AM
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The Department of Homeland Security is stepping up an effort to counter disinformation
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A newly formed Disinformation Governance Board announced Wednesday will immediately begin focusing on misinformation aimed at migrants
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“We are very concerned that Haitians who are taking the irregular migration path are receiving misinformation that the border is open,”
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-immigration-media-europe-misinformation-4e873389889bb1d9e2ad8659d9975e9d (https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-immigration-media-europe-misinformation-4e873389889bb1d9e2ad8659d9975e9d)
Post by: VomKriege on May 03, 2022, 09:26:39 AM
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Biden Disinformation Chief Nina Jankowicz Sang About Sex Fantasy with Dead Harry Potter
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/29/biden-disinformation-chief-nina-jankowicz-sang-sex-fantasy-dead-harry-potter/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/29/biden-disinformation-chief-nina-jankowicz-sang-sex-fantasy-dead-harry-potter/)
Post by: VomKriege on May 03, 2022, 09:37:36 AM
Welp
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 03, 2022, 09:52:05 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 03, 2022, 10:11:37 AM
Post by: Nintex on May 03, 2022, 01:15:51 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FR1rrsvWUAELjba?format=jpg)
:pika
Post by: james on May 03, 2022, 02:52:06 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 03, 2022, 08:16:42 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/barbsolish
Post by: Potato on May 03, 2022, 09:36:54 PM
Breitbart follow upYou'd think the side that's voraciously adopted cancel culture would think to do some quick background checks before appointing people...QuoteBiden Disinformation Chief Nina Jankowicz Sang About Sex Fantasy with Dead Harry Potter
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/29/biden-disinformation-chief-nina-jankowicz-sang-sex-fantasy-dead-harry-potter/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/29/biden-disinformation-chief-nina-jankowicz-sang-sex-fantasy-dead-harry-potter/)
Post by: Uncle on May 03, 2022, 09:39:41 PM
Post by: VomKriege on May 04, 2022, 12:29:13 AM
Breitbart follow upYou'd think the side that's voraciously adopted cancel culture would think to do some quick background checks before appointing people...QuoteBiden Disinformation Chief Nina Jankowicz Sang About Sex Fantasy with Dead Harry Potter
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/29/biden-disinformation-chief-nina-jankowicz-sang-sex-fantasy-dead-harry-potter/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/29/biden-disinformation-chief-nina-jankowicz-sang-sex-fantasy-dead-harry-potter/)
May be getting wooshed here but would it surprise you it is a pretty innocuous thing she did when 18 that is getting heard through the most hysterical distortion ?
Post by: Nintex on May 04, 2022, 02:24:36 AM
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It is an ironic discovery — Jankowicz’s apparent obsession with Harry Potter — as many have deemed her the U.S. version of the Ministry of Magic’s overpowering Dolores Umbridge
JD Vance won
1 million votes cast in the GOP primary
500k in the Dem primary
https://twitter.com/aaronlarnavarro/status/1521684641056534528 (https://twitter.com/aaronlarnavarro/status/1521684641056534528)
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 02:53:12 AM
1 million votes cast in the GOP primaryDemocratic primary was relatively uncontested, Tim Ryan had been anointed last year.
500k in the Dem primary
Mark it up as another winnable seat handed to the Democrats in a pro-GOP year to please the cult leader. :american
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 04:34:52 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/2guihRC.png)
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1519427501503750152
https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1521279198236745742
According to the FEC filings they were just Facebook ads, with the bulk of the money going to something called Zeta Global.
https://twitter.com/BriannaWu/status/1521279198236745742
According to the FEC filings they were just Facebook ads, with the bulk of the money going to something called Zeta Global.
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Post by: Potato on May 04, 2022, 04:57:40 AM
That would not surprise me at all...but I guess sometimes you reap what you sow.Breitbart follow upYou'd think the side that's voraciously adopted cancel culture would think to do some quick background checks before appointing people...QuoteBiden Disinformation Chief Nina Jankowicz Sang About Sex Fantasy with Dead Harry Potter
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/29/biden-disinformation-chief-nina-jankowicz-sang-sex-fantasy-dead-harry-potter/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/29/biden-disinformation-chief-nina-jankowicz-sang-sex-fantasy-dead-harry-potter/)
May be getting wooshed here but would it surprise you it is a pretty innocuous thing she did when 18 that is getting heard through the most hysterical distortion ?
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 04, 2022, 05:21:50 AM
Breitbart follow upYou'd think the side that's voraciously adopted cancel culture would think to do some quick background checks before appointing people...QuoteBiden Disinformation Chief Nina Jankowicz Sang About Sex Fantasy with Dead Harry Potter
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/29/biden-disinformation-chief-nina-jankowicz-sang-sex-fantasy-dead-harry-potter/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/29/biden-disinformation-chief-nina-jankowicz-sang-sex-fantasy-dead-harry-potter/)
May be getting wooshed here but would it surprise you it is a pretty innocuous thing she did when 18 that is getting heard through the most hysterical distortion ?
She's no AOC , she can't gallop out of this with finesses.
Post by: Occam on May 04, 2022, 09:33:12 AM
Too bad America has no rules regarding disinformation, the constant onslaught of which has gravely damaged American democracy (which at this point may be beyond saving).
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 09:39:08 AM
Europe is finally waking up, all Russian propaganda TV is to be completely outlawed (terrestrial broadcasts, cable, satellite, internet/apps) to hinder the spread of disinformation. Should have happened years ago, considering Putler has been working hard to destroy the EU (Brexit was in part made possible with the help of Russian influence/money).Reported this post for spreading disinformation that would assist Putin.
Too bad America has no rules regarding disinformation, the constant onslaught of which has gravely damaged American democracy (which at this point may be beyond saving).
Post by: Occam on May 04, 2022, 09:45:02 AM
Just like the solution to the gun problem is more guns?
According to that logic, global warming could probably be stopped by more SUVs.
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 09:46:32 AM
Post by: Occam on May 04, 2022, 09:50:22 AM
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 10:18:23 AM
Post by: Uncle on May 04, 2022, 10:22:53 AM
Ya the idea that you can't make laws that fascists would abuse when in power is pretty dumb.
you want to elaborate? is there an understood "...because the fascists will never be allowed to be in power again?"
isn't there some level of evaluation to be done over the degree of how much a certain law can be abused?
suppose this administration passes a law that says "anyone the state defines as a misinformation vendor can be jailed for any length of time without trial," and they pass it with completely good intentions and don't even make use of it
by your logic, that's not cause for alarm at all?
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 10:23:18 AM
Having rules for news organizations that prevents them from spreading disproved information (and outright lies) does nothing of the sort.Your assumption is that power cannot be abused because only good people can wield it. My assumption is that's not true and it's not worth the risk to find out which of us is right. Better to protect free speech and free press than to outlaw both.
Post by: Uncle on May 04, 2022, 10:32:59 AM
Having rules for news organizations that prevents them from spreading disproved information (and outright lies) does nothing of the sort.
what defines a news organization? what must be the size of your reach before you can be censored by the state?
if a dude goes to a bar and says "well I heard Biden is going to be removed from office and Trump will be put in place next Saturday," should that man be considered a peddler of disinformation, a very short range news source, and be jailed on that basis?
and if you say alright no, that's too small, when do you arrest him? a youtube channel with an average of 100 views a week? 1000 views?
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 10:34:21 AM
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Post by: Occam on May 04, 2022, 10:41:44 AM
Not heeding the warning from history has made Trumpism possible in America. What comes next will be worse.
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 10:43:50 AM
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 10:48:51 AM
Having a press law that requires adherence to a basic code of ethics (=no broadcasting unverifiable information/propaganda) so far seems to work pretty well as a safeguard against a return of fascism for Europe. Doesn't seem to curb the freedom of speech, either.Perhaps you should heed the warning from history since the Nazi Party was outlawed by Weimar Germany and it also had extensive speech/press restrictions?
Not heeding the warning from history has made Trumpism possible in America. What comes next will be worse.
Doesn't seem to curb the freedom of speech, either.So the laws don't even work? And yet you're advocating for them to be imposed on other people while hoping no one there will abuse them? This is strange advocacy.
Post by: Occam on May 04, 2022, 10:49:42 AM
Ya the idea that you can't make laws that fascists would abuse when in power is pretty dumb.
Exactly. And they'll make much worse laws once they are in power.
Americans will get to experience this firsthand, soon.
I'm sure those women who will be imprisoned for "illegal" abortions in the future will be able to console themselves with their free speech.
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 10:53:35 AM
I'm sure those women who will be imprisoned for "illegal" abortions in the future will be able to console themselves with their free speech.I would think it's obviously better that they can advocate for removing restrictions on abortions than imprisoning or killing them for doing so.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 11:06:31 AM
Ya the idea that you can't make laws that fascists would abuse when in power is pretty dumb.
you want to elaborate? is there an understood "...because the fascists will never be allowed to be in power again?"
Because if fascists want to do something they will do it whether it is lawful or not. So the idea that you can't make laws that would otherwise help stop the spread of fascism because they might abuse the power is silly. If you are in a place where the laws are being abused, the issue is the people abusing the law not the laws themselves. The fear of what-ifs is what is actively allowing America to regress at it's current rate. You can actively try to stop that from happening or let it happen and then go 'well at least we didn't make it a law to round up journalists while journalists are being round up anyway. Like you wouldn't want to create a situation where big-brained Nintex gets to gleefully post about how the bad behaviour of the right is really the fault of the left.
The George W. Bush Administration announced today the arrest of thousands of so-called self-declared journalists for spreading the disinformation that WMDs were not found in Iraq. We go now live to the White House for more on the defeat of these seditious traitors.
You mean like Judith Miller? Kinda like they can find creative ways to imprison people if they wish with the current laws. The free press does not work as a bastion against an abusive government when half the media in America has been captured and advocating for abusive governments.
Post by: Uncle on May 04, 2022, 11:13:11 AM
Ya the idea that you can't make laws that fascists would abuse when in power is pretty dumb.
Exactly. And they'll make much worse laws once they are in power.
Americans will get to experience this firsthand, soon.
I'm sure those women who will be imprisoned for "illegal" abortions in the future will be able to console themselves with their free speech.
the disinformation board will see to it that posts like these will be removed in the future, once 230 is also gutted and demi can be held liable in court for the subversive "news" you post
Post by: Uncle on May 04, 2022, 11:35:46 AM
Ya the idea that you can't make laws that fascists would abuse when in power is pretty dumb.
you want to elaborate? is there an understood "...because the fascists will never be allowed to be in power again?"
Because if fascists want to do something they will do it whether it is lawful or not. So the idea that you can't make laws that would otherwise help stop the spread of fascism because they might abuse the power is silly. If you are in a place where the laws are being abused, the issue is the people abusing the law not the laws themselves. The fear of what-ifs is what is actively allowing America to regress at it's current rate. You can actively try to stop that from happening or let it happen and then go 'well at least we didn't make it a law to round up journalists while journalists are being round up anyway. Like you wouldn't want to create a situation where big-brained Nintex gets to gleefully post about how the bad behaviour of the right is really the fault of the left.
you realize how actually ineffectual trump often was? how often the things he ran his mouth about ended up amounting to nothing because laws or procedures in place prevented him from doing anything destructive? how many times he made executive orders that achieved nothing?
your argument doesn't work because if trump had the power to "just do it" then he would've done far worse
instead he was left to play with the only toys he had in the toybox
you're assuming that in one administration we have democracy and in the next we have unilateral complete authoritarianism and that's not how things work, trump was prevented from doing unenumerable amounts of harm due to lacking tools like a ministry of truth
if he could just do it, don't you think he would have? he complained about lying fake news constantly, as a fascist in control surely you must expect him to have had the power to shut it all down?
rather than meekly avoiding pressers and events he viewed as unfavorable to him like the correspondents' dinner
it is utterly blind to operate under the default assumption that all actions taken by an administration are good as long as their views mostly align with yours
you haven't put a modicum of thought into how a disinformation board could be wielded for ill even by a generally favorable administration, because "well if the good guys are doing it it must be good"
if trump had established it, would you be calling for biden to end it? or would you have said "y'know trump won't be in power forever and this could be a great tool for the democrats in the future, I think this is the right call for trump overall"
Post by: Uncle on May 04, 2022, 11:52:50 AM
If you are in a place where the laws are being abused, the issue is the people abusing the law not the laws themselves. The fear of what-ifs is what is actively allowing America to regress at it's current rate.
the biden administration repeals all forms of gun control tomorrow:
"well it's the people taking advantage of this to buy rocket launchers who are the problem, not the law itself, if things go south due to this decision it's the fascists' fault, not the poor innocent administration just doing their best to make good decisions"
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 11:57:48 AM
Post by: Transhuman on May 04, 2022, 12:16:08 PM
Post by: Uncle on May 04, 2022, 12:18:02 PM
The concern over disinformation laws in the hands of facists is myopic to the concern over the rise of facism.
it's more important to stop fascism than to worry about whether the actions you're taking contribute to the rise of fascism?
perhaps we should simply outlaw fascism and imprison anyone who leans right, since fascism is exclusively a right-wing position? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism) the right's worldview revolves around disinformation and ought to be suppressed in no uncertain terms, so why stop at controlling their speech?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 12:34:25 PM
Anyone dumbfucked enough to believe the 2020 election was rigged through conspiracy isn't going to "snap out of it" through censorship.
This is a misunderstanding about how disinformation works. The point would have been to prevent a situation that normalized the idea that the election was rigged in the first place rather than to try to convert people who already believe. If laws had been in place, they could have actively tried to stop people from setting up Jan 6th and have held those responsible accountable after the fact. But oh no what-if Bush had decided to imprison journalists in 2003 or Trump in 2020? Guess Januarry the 6ths are just the price of a free America (that last point wasn't directed at you).
The concern over disinformation laws in the hands of facists is myopic to the concern over the rise of facism.
it's more important to stop fascism than to worry about whether the actions you're taking contribute to the rise of fascism?
Or you are taking away one of the only available tools you have to prevent the rise in fascism out of fear that the situation, which is already heading that way, will be worse and instead doing nothing and hoping for the best.
Post by: Uncle on May 04, 2022, 12:43:53 PM
like I said above, we could also start with imprisoning those who lean right (this is not hyperbole or an implied slippery slope, since it's been established that stopping fascism is more important than worrying about what happens next)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 01:09:07 PM
What are the other available options then for the government?
Post by: Transhuman on May 04, 2022, 01:16:26 PM
This is a misunderstanding about how disinformation works. The point would have been to prevent a situation that normalized the idea that the election was rigged in the first place rather than to try to convert people who already believe.
Censored people saying the election was rigged before any evidence had the opportunity to come out (not that there was any) would have played horribly. Instead, Republicans thoroughly humiliated themselves on an international stage.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 01:20:10 PM
But to take it back further and what I meant about normalization in general. You fine/jail Alex jones after he said Sandy hook was a false flag so that five years later people are not still believing in that and are primed to believe his next conspiracy. You don't wait 20 years later after the damage is done.
* but but but what if this is abused so that nobody can question nothing
Post by: Uncle on May 04, 2022, 01:42:03 PM
Saying that the election was rigged without any evidence is not a political belief. It is an act that is harmful to democracy.
voting for trump is also an act that is harmful to democracy, yet you would defend a conservative's right to cast that vote?
we're talking about stopping the rise of fascism here, removing a few rights here and there from those who advocate for fascism ought to be counted among acceptable losses
"it's ok to vote fascists into power as long as you don't talk about it too loudly" is absurd
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What are the other available options then for the government?
when your position is that stopping fascism is more important than examining potential consequences of your actions, I think you'll find a world of possibilities open to you
Post by: Occam on May 04, 2022, 01:49:51 PM
Very good posts, my thoughts exactly.
They don't understand that fascists don't care about laws, or free speech. Even now they are banning books, and that as soon as they have total control they will create "patriot" laws that will outlaw "unpatriotic" speech.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 01:50:55 PM
Saying that the election was rigged without any evidence is not a political belief. It is an act that is harmful to democracy.
voting for trump is also an act that is harmful to democracy, yet you would defend a conservative's right to cast that vote?
So what did I just say about there being a difference between political beliefs and spreading disinformation? Can you not tell the difference between the two? If trump spreads misinformation and people vote for him, why do you think I'm talking about imprisoning the people who vote for him? You keep jumping to wild hypotheticals both about what I'm directly saying should happen and as some unthought-out consequence of imposing limits on free speech and it's pretty juvenile. Like it's pretty easy to imagine a law where Trump gets fined for spreading misinformation on twitter without jumping to you-want-to-imprison-people-who-vote-for-him-who-is-the-real-facist-now.
when your position is that stopping fascism is more important than examining potential consequences of your actions, I think you'll find a world of possibilities open to you
Cool, so you have no answer and want to hide behind glibness.
Post by: Nintex on May 04, 2022, 01:51:06 PM
Are we going to lock up people who believe there are 50 genders? Are we going to lock up people who think JFK Jr. is still alive?
There is no such thing as universal truth, not in a free society at least. All of science is based on the fact that you question things.
If no one questioned their rulers we would still believe the earth was flat and we would all be speaking Latin or something.
The fact that no one is happy with how elections are conducted (let alone counted) tells you the system sort of works.
In that sense, did the Twitter and Facebook censoring really do anything to stop the spread of misinformation? I don't think so.
Post by: Uncle on May 04, 2022, 01:53:26 PM
@Madrun Badrun
Very good posts, my thoughts exactly.
They don't understand that fascists don't care about laws, or free speech. Even now they are banning books, and that as soon as they have total control they will create "patriot" laws that will outlaw "unpatriotic" speech.
well let's be honest here, this would be fine as long as the books contained misinformation
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 02:01:17 PM
As long as the political fight remains like this you can't get rid of disinformation as both sides deploy it as they see fit.
Are we going to lock up people who believe there are 50 genders? Are we going to lock up people who think JFK Jr. is still alive?
There is no such thing as universal truth, not in a free society at least. All of science is based on the fact that you question things.
If no one questioned their rulers we would still believe the earth was flat and we would all be speaking Latin or something.
The fact that no one is happy with how elections are conducted (let alone counted) tells you the system sort of works.
In that sense, did the Twitter and Facebook censoring really do anything to stop the spread of misinformation? I don't think so.
Yes, it did. The difference in reach Trump had before and after the Twitter ban was a lot. Take your own posts for example. Instead of thoughtlessly posting a trump tweet every five seconds, you had to wait for him to write his official statements or get a second had tweet from someone saying 'Just spoke to President Trump about X'. And the amount of dumb Trump shit you posted decreased.
The scientific method is not something people apply in their daily lives so the fact that since is about questioning things has no relevance to this. The argument that if you begin to put limits on questioning some things means that the outcome is you can't question anything is dumb and demonstrably false as shown by the limits on free speech in most western counties. Canada has hate speech laws and so that is why we can't question the flatness of the earth. That's a chain of logic.
The fact that no one is happy with how elections are conducted (let alone counted) tells you the system sort of works.
Does it? Go on. How do you connect the fact of people being unhappy with how elections are done to outright lying about results being ok and unavoidable?
Post by: jorma on May 04, 2022, 02:15:13 PM
@Madrun Badrun
Very good posts, my thoughts exactly.
They don't understand that fascists don't care about laws, or free speech. Even now they are banning books, and that as soon as they have total control they will create "patriot" laws that will outlaw "unpatriotic" speech.
the irony of this post blows my mind.
you're the one talking about banning speech here
You aren't the force for good that you seem to think you are. "A useful idiot" is what Lenin would have called you. Fascist goverment or no, "misinformation" is always going to be whatever the people in charge wants it to be, how is that so hard to understand?
Post by: BIONIC on May 04, 2022, 02:18:48 PM
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 02:24:19 PM
@Madrun Badrun
Very good posts, my thoughts exactly.
They don't understand that fascists don't care about laws, or free speech. Even now they are banning books, and that as soon as they have total control they will create "patriot" laws that will outlaw "unpatriotic" speech.
well let's be honest here, this would be fine as long as the books contained misinformation
@Madrun Badrun
Very good posts, my thoughts exactly.
They don't understand that fascists don't care about laws, or free speech. Even now they are banning books, and that as soon as they have total control they will create "patriot" laws that will outlaw "unpatriotic" speech.
the irony of this post blows my mind.
you're the one talking about banning speech here
You aren't the force for good that you seem to think you are. "A useful idiot" is what Lenin would have called you. Fascist goverment or no, "misinformation" is always going to be whatever the people in charge wants it to be, how is that so hard to understand?
You understand that the point about banning books wasn't that banning misinformation is bad (when they do, oh the irony), it's that they are doing it anyway regardless of any misinformation laws they hypothetically might abuse. The context is in the first sentence 'They don't understand that fascists don't care about laws, or free speech.'
Post by: Occam on May 04, 2022, 03:01:04 PM
https://www.presserat.de/pressekodex.html?file=files/presserat/dokumente/pressekodex/Pressekodex2017english.pdf
Something like this makes sense, is no slippery slope and has not led to fascism or a ban on free speech.
Quite the opposite, it prevents right-wing nuts from using mass media to amplify their lies and take over. In Germany, an entity like Fox News would be reprimanded for spreading proven lies and for not adhering to basic journalistic ethics, and then either start behaving or eventually lose its license.
Misinformation serves no useful purpose in the political discourse, other than to mislead people and to brainwash them. Which is what Trump's Big Lie has successfully done to 30% of Americans.
A democracy that does not defend itself against lies will eventually succumb to them.
Go ahead, read the German Press Code and point out which parts of it don't make sense or are somehow bad for democracy.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to lie without any consequences.
Post by: Nintex on May 04, 2022, 03:08:57 PM
Does it? Go on. How do you connect the fact of people being unhappy with how elections are done to outright lying about results being ok and unavoidable?People suspected foul play with Bush/Gore and they suspected foul play when Kennedy won.
Hillary Clinton didn't trust the outcome of the 2016 election and neither did most of the liberal class.
Trump's really just a tourist in an already existing political system.
It doesn't matter if the loser is a sore loser or accepts the loss or if the winner starts an illegal war that no one wants.
If the system is valid is another discussion. Just by the sheer number of votes, voting methods and counting methods the margin of error in an election (or really any endeavor) of this size is significant.
And like all these systems most of it is window dressing. That's what the protestors found out on January 6th and afterwards, just like the liberals did between 2016 and 2020.
You can interfere with the ceremony or discover things after the vote but it doesn't change anything about the outcome. The only chance you have is the next election.
The system isn't fair or just because it isn't designed to be fair or just. It is designed to elect a President out of 330 million people.
And unless someone finds a better way to do that, the losing side will always point at what they perceive are the flaws in the system.
Post by: jorma on May 04, 2022, 03:09:10 PM
As an example, I looked up the so-called press code from Europe's largest democracy, Germany.
https://www.presserat.de/pressekodex.html?file=files/presserat/dokumente/pressekodex/Pressekodex2017english.pdf
Something like this makes sense, is no slippery slope and has not led to fascism or a ban on free speech.
Quite the opposite, it prevents right-wing nuts from using mass media to amplify their lies and take over. In Germany, an entity like Fox News would be reprimanded for spreading proven lies and for not adhering to basic journalistic ethics, and then either start behaving or eventually lose its license.
Misinformation serves no useful purpose in the political discourse, other than to mislead people and to brainwash them. Which is what Trump's Big Lie has successfully done to 30% of Americans.
A democracy that does not defend itself against lies will eventually succumb to them.
Go ahead, read the German Press Code and point out which parts of it don't make sense or are somehow bad for democracy.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to lie without any consequences.
Yeah, that's not law. Those are self imposed guidelines by the german press. Kind of a big difference :lol
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 03:36:16 PM
It doesn't matter if the loser is a sore loser or accepts the loss
Of course it does.
People suspected foul play with Bush/Gore and they suspected foul play when Kennedy won.
Hillary Clinton didn't trust the outcome of the 2016 election and neither did most of the liberal class.
I wonder why these didn't result in a Jan 6th? Could it be because the thing you just said didn't matter -- being a sore loser -- actually matters and is actually increadablly dangerous?
If the system is valid is another discussion. Just by the sheer number of votes, voting methods and counting methods the margin of error in an election (or really any endeavor) of this size is significant.
And like all these systems most of it is window dressing. That's what the protestors found out on January 6th and afterwards, just like the liberals did between 2016 and 2020.
You can interfere with the ceremony or discover things after the vote but it doesn't change anything about the outcome. The only chance you have is the next election.
The system isn't fair or just because it isn't designed to be fair or just. It is designed to elect a President out of 330 million people.
And unless someone finds a better way to do that, the losing side will always point at what they perceive are the flaws in the system.
How people feel about their electoral system has nothing to do with lying about results. All you gave is a conspirital ramble. Or are you saying that these people don't actually believe their own shit and just using it as an excuse to act out and try to destroy the electoral system that they do not like? Because you know that's kind of the point -- that behaviour is unacceptable in a democracy and you should not get to hide behind free speech.
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 03:46:14 PM
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 03:55:51 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 04, 2022, 04:05:33 PM
Occam and Madrun's position is that people who said blacks are equal humans to whites, that homosexuality isn't a mental illness, that ulcers aren't caused by stress, that the NSA is spying on citizens, that the government was lying about Vietnam, that people should wear masks during COVID, that Communists had not infiltrated the leadership of the State Department and Army, that the United States is at war in Libya, that people who've committed no crimes shouldn't be forcibly sterilized, that Biden won the 2020 election, that [insert person here] was killed by police, that recovered memories by children about fantastical satanic sexual abuse are bullshit, etc. should have been thrown in jail because the threat to democracy from these oppositional positions is too great.That's basically how modern day China works and as we can see in Shanghai that isn't actually working anymore either.
These discussions always remind me of a quote from Sir Winston
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Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’
I also recommend to watch the latest Adam Curtis documentary called Can't Get You Out of My Head. Which also touches on some of these subjects.
Especially the part where: "But what if the people are/think/vote wrong?" which has been at the center of modern day establishment political thinking.
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 04:08:51 PM
As an example, I looked up the so-called Press Code of Europe's largest democracy, Germany.What is the German Press Council's opinion of that time the German government tried to charge Der Spiegel staff with treason, held them without trial and occupied their offices for a month while leaving the minister of justice out of the loop and denying to the Bundestag that any of this was happening?
https://www.presserat.de/pressekodex.html?file=files/presserat/dokumente/pressekodex/Pressekodex2017english.pdf
Something like this makes sense, is no slippery slope and has not led to fascism or a ban on free speech.
Quite the opposite, it prevents right-wing nuts from using mass media to amplify their lies and take over. In Germany, an entity like Fox News would be reprimanded for spreading proven lies and for not adhering to basic journalistic ethics, and then either start behaving or eventually lose its license.
Misinformation serves no useful purpose in the political discourse, other than to mislead people and to brainwash them. Which is what Trump's Big Lie has successfully done to 30% of Americans.
A democracy that does not defend itself against lies will eventually succumb to them.
Go ahead, read the German Press Code and point out which parts of it don't make sense or are somehow bad for democracy.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to lie without any consequences.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 04:13:18 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 04:14:35 PM
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 04:21:04 PM
Post by: Potato on May 04, 2022, 04:26:05 PM
:derp
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 04:26:56 PM
If the government can prosecute you for "disinformation" that will be defined solely and exclusively by the government you really really don't have free speech.
This is like pretty basic liberalism.
Post by: Nintex on May 04, 2022, 04:31:09 PM
Trump became President not because of his Twitter takes or a couple of 4chan trolls but because he was a well known TV personality.
And if there was no fame in it, he wouldn't have wanted to become President.
That is quite unlike any European country too (I guess Zelensky as a former comedian/actor is closest to that out of all the current European heads of state not counting the circus across the channel and the TV President in the Kremlin).
Some politicians here are trying to emulate it but it's not really working for them as a bigger media profile comes with more scrutiny too.
They also did a Dutch version of the White House Correspondents dinner once. Which was torched for being a 'campaign stunt' for the sitting PM.
All in all free speech or censorship is not going to change anything if politics and the old media remain intertwined.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 04:36:13 PM
You're not asking for just "any" limit on free speech, you're asking for the government to be able to imprison and kill people who disagree with the government. It's eviscerating the entire concept.
I support limits on free speech. We disagree in that any kind of limit means a full loss of free speech. It's so obvious that you can't have hate speech laws because no one can define what hate speech is and surely the government will abuse that power if it is allowed to define it? Likewise you can't have disinformation laws because what is disinformation. Surely no one can say that Alex Jones is empirically wrong about Sandy Hook and you wouldn't;t want the government to be able to decide if Sandy Hook happened or not would you? First, the government says Sandy Hook happened, then you become China.
The idea you can't place a limit on free speech without a tyrannical government abusing it for anything is as much as an American fantasy as the second amendment will protect you from a tyrannical government.
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 04:38:02 PM
What you need is a law to limit political ad spending and media appearances by political entities in general."Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press"
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 04:40:20 PM
I went to summarily executed because you brought up the idea that this will lead to the government murdering people.How do you think the government enforces the law? Asking nicely?
I support limits on free speech. We disagree in that any kind of limit means a full loss of free speech. It's so obvious that you can't have hate speech laws because no one can define what hate speech is and surely the government will abuse that power if it is allowed to define it? Likewise you can't have disinformation laws because what is disinformation. Surely no one can say that Alex Jones is empirically wrong about Sandy Hook and you wouldn't;t want the government to be able to decide if Sandy Hook happened or not would you? First, the government says Sandy Hook happened, then you become China.Yes, the threat of being prosecuted for your speech means you do not have freedom of speech. If you do not have a limiting principle for when the government can do this you do not support freedom of speech.
The idea you can't place a limit on free speech without a tyrannical government abusing it for anything is as much as an American fantasy as the second amendment will protect you from a tyrannical government.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 04:46:39 PM
And yes, every law is enforced by murder. That is the only means to enforce the law.
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 04:48:33 PM
In liberal democracies these aren't acceptable reasons for violating people's human rights.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 04:52:17 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 04:54:40 PM
You don't have to support free speech, but don't act like you do when you want the government to prosecute people who don't speak only in the way the government wants.
America isn't perfect because it does suppress speech despite the clear letter of the law but it's the closest thing we've got.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 04:58:39 PM
Post by: jorma on May 04, 2022, 04:59:43 PM
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Executive director Nina Jankowicz, who once described Hunter Biden’s laptop as “a Trump campaign product"
Heh too funny. So do we think that the DGB will be sanctioning their own boss for misinformation or do we just accept that misinformation is going to be whatever the current goverment says it is? :lol
Post by: Potato on May 04, 2022, 04:59:50 PM
Sure there is a human right to hate speech and misinformation. It is Alex Jone's human right to lie about Sandy Hook and profit from it. No true liberal democracy would fail to engage in American fantasies.It is also the right of those affected to sue Alex Jones for the harm his words cause.
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 05:00:27 PM
Supporting the most essential human right is not childish. Wanting to use violence against people who say or may be about to say things you dislike is infinitely more childish.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 05:12:16 PM
The less a state suppresses that right the better it is, the more liberal, the more democratic.
Just so we are clear, the most essential human right is that Alex Jones gets to lie about sandy hook and this is what makes America the supreme liberal democracy better than all others?
Supporting the most essential human right is not childish.
and this is really the crux of the problem. You prefer living in a hell hole based on the purity of philosophy and I would rather live in a stable democracy based on some nuanced and complex ideas. There are more important rights. It is not the most essential. And no, absolute free speech isn't the linchpin to the other rights.
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 05:23:14 PM
If you cannot speak you cannot advocate for your rights. It is essential. Citizens are not subjects, they are equals.
You don't prefer a "stable democracy" to a "hell hole" you prefer order as imposed by an elite to a democracy. You'd rather be imprisoned than anyone dare think about speaking out of line. This is the only conclusion that can be drawn from thinking the biggest threat to democracy is not the state wielding its power completely unchecked to deliberately suppress human rights but that someone somewhere may say something uncouth.
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 05:24:32 PM
She's going to be too busy with Nintex:QuoteExecutive director Nina Jankowicz, who once described Hunter Biden’s laptop as “a Trump campaign product"
Heh too funny. So do we think that the DGB will be sanctioning their own boss for misinformation or do we just accept that misinformation is going to be whatever the current goverment says it is? :lol
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Jankowicz wrote last year about her mission: “The biggest challenge in identifying this content both for our team and for platforms is what we’ve dubbed ‘malign creativity’—the coded language, memes, and context-based content which allow harmful posts to avoid detection.”
Post by: Uncle on May 04, 2022, 05:27:12 PM
If you are in a place where the laws are being abused, the issue is the people abusing the law not the laws themselves.
a crazy pundit abusing his right to free speech is the problem, not the right itself
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 06:27:48 PM
Under my simplistic childish system he's clearly violating the law. This is obviously a bad thing.
Under your nuanced adult system he's merely fighting disinformation. And you are the one now spreading disinformation to accuse him of otherwise.
"So you simply arrest Trump before he can win." And then DeSantis? And then J.D. Vance? And on and on? What about if someone is smart enough to not spread any disinformation until they get into power at which point it's no longer disinformation?
"You're worried about nothing, only criminals have something to fear." Why would anyone be concerned with a President and Administration who lies about spying on the American public, refuses to abide by the War Powers Act by declaring a war a "kinetic military action" and proclaims the authority to assassinate American citizens without trial. It's not like that one will be followed up by one headed by Donald Trump! It's not like we had another recent President who spread disinformation to start a war, signed a law he said he knew was against the law because it blatantly was and it took a decade to get finally struck down, and instigated earlier illegal spying and torture programs. Who cares? Someone on the internet said something gross and isn't in jail yet! Thank god the experts of those Administrations are fighting disinformation to protect us!
"This time the risk is too great! Things can go back to normal when the threat passes!" Oh good, it's not like we're currently in 42 declared national emergencies dating back to 1979.
"This is just an insane American hangup!" Yeah, sure, anyway our law says it's not allowed so I'm not sure what your problem is then. Feel free to comment but I doubt we're going to throw out our entire Constitutional order to placate your worries about people posting shit online. We're obviously going to do that because we're idiots who don't learn from history.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2022, 06:38:02 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 06:42:21 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 06:46:08 PM
You need to interlace your post with emoticons if you going to post like Nintex.I'm no longer engaging with you here as you're clearly far too blinded with anger right now to do anything but throw baseless defamatory hate speech filled insults that should get you imprisoned for life.
Post by: Transhuman on May 04, 2022, 07:12:43 PM
Freedom of speech is the most essential component of a liberal democracy. The less a state suppresses that right the better it is, the more liberal, the more democratic.
Oh yeah? Name me one non-democratic country that doesn't have freedom of speech. Go ahead, i'll wait.
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 07:17:42 PM
Oh yeah? Name me one non-democratic country that doesn't have freedom of speech. Go ahead, i'll wait.It's true, you got me:
Quote from: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1936/12/05.htm
ARTICLE 125. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to strengthen the socialist system, the citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed by law :
a) freedom of speech;
b) freedom of the press;
c) freedom of assembly, including the holding of mass meetings;
d) freedom of street processions and demonstrations; These civil rights are ensured by placing at the disposal of the working people and their organizations printing presses, stocks of paper, public buildings, the streets, communications facilities and other material requisites for the exercise of these rights.
ARTICLE 126. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to develop the organizational initiative and political activity of the masses of the people, citizens of the U.S.S.R. are ensured the right to unite in public organizations - trade unions, cooperative associations, youth organizations, sport and defence organizations, cultural, technical and scientific societies; and the most active and politically most conscious citizens in the ranks of the working class and other sections of the working people unite in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (Bolsheviks), which is the vanguard of the working people in their struggle to strengthen and develop the socialist system and is the leading core of all organizations of the working people, both public and state.
ARTICLE 127. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No person may be placed under arrest except by decision of a court or with the sanction of a procurator.
ARTICLE 128. The inviolability of the homes of citizens and privacy of correspondence are protected by law.
Post by: Potato on May 04, 2022, 07:58:29 PM
They all have freedom of speech, it's just that the governments have freedom to make them disappear too.Freedom of speech is the most essential component of a liberal democracy. The less a state suppresses that right the better it is, the more liberal, the more democratic.
Oh yeah? Name me one non-democratic country that doesn't have freedom of speech. Go ahead, i'll wait.
Post by: Uncle on May 04, 2022, 09:13:30 PM
nearly all jokes are lies
"what did the salamander say to the rabbi?" "salamanders cannot speak and it erodes our foundational pursuit of truth to even chuckle at the idea that they might"
"Dave Chapelle's latest special implies a large portion of the trans community is crazy which does not reflect reality and cannot be aired"
all fiction is disinformation; infinity stones do not exist, nor hyrule, nor half life 3
"but that's ridiculous, they would never try to control something as obviously benign as storytelling, it would only ever be used for good"
(https://i.imgur.com/NgC3z4O.png)
alright, so now Alex Jones starts telling "stories" to his audience about Blandy Blook Elementary...
"well they can't allow that, I suppose they'll just stop the disinformation which seems pretty obviously an allegory in this vein"
alright, so next an author writes a story which can be interpreted as a loose retelling of real life events completely by accident and finds their book censored (explicitly or through publisher chilling effect), and before you know it anything that calls into question the benevolence of a governing body (Hunger Games et al) require scrutiny if not outright banning
in what universe is this tenable
Post by: james on May 04, 2022, 10:29:00 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 10:39:56 PM
Benji concern trolling about free speech when the court says there's no right to privacy. Open that anus nice and widejames hysterical about a highly skeptical looking leaked draft that he didn't read at all accusing someone of acting in nefarious bad faith when repeating positions they've held for their entire time on The Bire and were responding to someone else introducing the topic of suppressing free speech in the first place
Post by: Potato on May 04, 2022, 11:25:46 PM
it's so shortsighted to not even consider the breadth of speech that is some form of disinformationIt really is an insane proposal to try to regulate truth, especially in a country like the US which is historically opposed to regulation (or at least over-regulation).
nearly all jokes are lies
"what did the salamander say to the rabbi?" "salamanders cannot speak and it erodes our foundational pursuit of truth to even chuckle at the idea that they might"
"Dave Chapelle's latest special implies a large portion of the trans community is crazy which does not reflect reality and cannot be aired"
all fiction is disinformation; infinity stones do not exist, nor hyrule, nor half life 3
"but that's ridiculous, they would never try to control something as obviously benign as storytelling, it would only ever be used for good"
(https://i.imgur.com/NgC3z4O.png)
alright, so now Alex Jones starts telling "stories" to his audience about Blandy Blook Elementary...
"well they can't allow that, I suppose they'll just stop the disinformation which seems pretty obviously an allegory in this vein"
alright, so next an author writes a story which can be interpreted as a loose retelling of real life events completely by accident and finds their book censored (explicitly or through publisher chilling effect), and before you know it anything that calls into question the benevolence of a governing body (Hunger Games et al) require scrutiny if not outright banning
in what universe is this tenable
Australia, in contrast, is a country that's highly open to regulation (to the point of frequent over-regulation) and if any government proposed a truth ministry, they'd be laughed out of office at the first opportunity.
Post by: Occam on May 05, 2022, 02:11:40 AM
Of course this only applied to broadcast TV and radio, because cable and the internet didn't exist when it was implemented by the FCC in 1949. The rule was found to be constitutional and not violate free speech on several occasions. In 1987 Republicans managed to do away with it. Decades of right-wing talk radio and Fox News etc. followed, making Trumpism possible. (It was actually during Nixon that Republicans noticed that their best course of action would be to shape the perception of reality, because reality itself did not support their views).
Scientists conducted a study about what happens when Fox News viewers watch CNN for a month (while still supporting him, they actually became more critical of Trump and other issues; of course the effect quickly vanished for most participants once they went back to Fox afterwards).
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But the findings also point to the risk that partisan media pose for democracy.https://news.berkeley.edu/2022/04/07/when-fox-news-viewers-flip-to-cnn-their-opinions-shift-too-study-finds/
"How can a voter hold a politician accountable for an act of malfeasance if they do not know it occurred?" the authors asked in their study. "Or, alternatively, how can voters reward a … politician for good performance if their chosen media network does not inform them of it?"
Having news media adhere to basic ethics of journalism (fact check issues, rectract stories that have been proven wrong) and report issues from the entire spectrum in no way violates free speech.
I feel like I am talking to kindergarteners here. No Jimmy, this wouldn't take away your favorite fairy tale picture books.
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2022, 03:30:28 AM
In the pre-insanity days, there used to be a fairness doctrine in the US, which ensured that something like Fox News couldn't happen.So you admit it wouldn't have applied while being sure in your insistence that it wouldn't have allowed Fox News. The FCC's ability to regulate content doesn't apply to cable and the internet because those aren't public airwaves of a limited spectrum, they are outside its jurisdiction.
Of course this only applied to broadcast TV and radio, because cable and the internet didn't exist when it was implemented by the FCC in 1949. The rule was found to be constitutional and not violate free speech on several occasions.
And you skip over the fact that administrations used it to attack political opponents, the very abuse you claim wouldn't happen if freedom of the press was curtailed to protect the government from criticism.
Having news media adhere to basic ethics of journalism (fact check issues, rectract stories that have been proven wrong) and report issues from the entire spectrum in no way violates free speech.Prosecuting journalists absolutely violates free speech and free press.
It's hilarious how you guys keep calling other people children while demanding the state imprison journalists (and anyone else) for saying things the government doesn't like. (And I missed this initially but it helps delineate why Madrun is massively more sensible, Occam actually wants the government to compel speech people may not wish to speak.)
Dress it up with language games all you like as defending a fragile democracy teetering on the brink (even though speech suppression has never protected a collapsing democracy) but you're not going to get around the fact that you're calling for the state to use violence to suppress any views it doesn't want people to say or hear. You're not going to get around that you want people to fear that their speech may get them imprisoned or worse. It'd be far more honest to simply call on outlawing the Republican Party, rounding up everyone involved and salting the Earth than this horseshit about just wanting to protect the helpless democracy from opinions that all the elites know are simply too dangerous for the people to be exposed to.
Thankfully despite your views dominating much of both of our political corporations we still have "shall make no law" as a backstop even if no one will face consequences for violating it and undermining the essence of democracy itself in the pursuit of a false sense of security for their power and position.
Quote from: https://lawliberty.org/frederick-douglass-plea-for-freedom-of-speech-in-boston/
Liberty is meaningless where the right to utter one’s thoughts and opinions has ceased to exist. That, of all rights, is the dread of tyrants. It is the right which they first of all strike down. They know its power. Thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers, founded in injustice and wrong, are sure to tremble, if men are allowed to reason of righteousness, temperance, and of a judgment to come in their presence. Slavery cannot tolerate free speech. Five years of its exercise would banish the auction block and break every chain in the South. They will have none of it there, for they have the power. But shall it be so here?
Even here in Boston, and among the friends of freedom, we hear two voices: one denouncing the mob that broke up our meeting on Monday as a base and cowardly outrage; and another, deprecating and regretting the holding of such a meeting, by such men, at such a time. We are told that the meeting was ill-timed, and the parties to it unwise.
Why, what is the matter with us? Are we going to palliate and excuse a palpable and flagrant outrage on the right of speech, by implying that only a particular description of persons should exercise that right? Are we, at such a time, when a great principle has been struck down, to quench the moral indignation which the deed excites, by casting reflections upon those on whose persons the outrage has been committed? After all the arguments for liberty to which Boston has listened for more than a quarter of a century, has she yet to learn that the time to assert a right is the time when the right itself is called in question, and that the men of all others to assert it are the men to whom the right has been denied?
It would be no vindication of the right of speech to prove that certain gentlemen of great distinction, eminent for their learning and ability, are allowed to freely express their opinions on all subjects – including the subject of slavery. Such a vindication would need, itself, to be vindicated. It would add insult to injury. Not even an old-fashioned abolition meeting could vindicate that right in Boston just now. There can be no right of speech where any man, however lifted up, or however humble, however young, or however old, is overawed by force, and compelled to suppress his honest sentiments.
Equally clear is the right to hear. To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker. It is just as criminal to rob a man of his right to speak and hear as it would be to rob him of his money. I have no doubt that Boston will vindicate this right. But in order to do so, there must be no concessions to the enemy. When a man is allowed to speak because he is rich and powerful, it aggravates the crime of denying the right to the poor and humble.
The principle must rest upon its own proper basis. And until the right is accorded to the humblest as freely as to the most exalted citizen, the government of Boston is but an empty name, and its freedom a mockery. A man’s right to speak does not depend upon where he was born or upon his color. The simple quality of manhood is the solid basis of the right – and there let it rest forever.
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2022, 04:55:30 AM
"It was just a prank bro" :dead
Post by: VomKriege on May 05, 2022, 08:04:20 AM
Lofty lefty
Post by: Rufus on May 05, 2022, 09:08:11 AM
Yes, as I said, the most essential human right is freedom of speech.Non-violently, anyway. :shh
If you cannot speak you cannot advocate for your rights. It is essential.
But why does it need to be as close to absolute as is possible? Germany doesn't have a particularly good set of restrictions (for a recent example, google "Du bist so 1 pimmel"), but there are some that I have no issue with, such as Holocaust denial or hate speech. Do these impede the functioning of our democracy?
So long as a court has to decide their application, I see no issue with some restrictions.
Post by: Uncle on May 05, 2022, 10:05:54 AM
So long as a court has to decide their application, I see no issue with some restrictions.
the same court that is in the process of overturning roe v wade?
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2022, 10:08:47 AM
But why does it need to be as close to absolute as is possible? Germany doesn't have a particularly good set of restrictions (for a recent example, google "Du bist so 1 pimmel"), but there are some that I have no issue with, such as Holocaust denial or hate speech. Do these impede the functioning of our democracy?Unfortunately I have yet to hear a limiting principle other than to simply trust in those who cannot themselves be trusted to speak or hear certain ideas.
So long as a court has to decide their application, I see no issue with some restrictions.
Post by: Rufus on May 05, 2022, 10:17:07 AM
Post by: VomKriege on May 05, 2022, 10:37:07 AM
Post by: Uncle on May 05, 2022, 10:41:12 AM
...Who upholds free speech then?
the uncomplicated first amendment as it stands?
like, you can say ok, we're going to start breaking this up and imposing some limits on speech, courts and the justice system will define what unlawful hate speech is, depending on the current political leanings of the court
or, you don't alter it and then no one is defining it and you don't have to worry about either party molding it to their ends
we're insanely lucky that hick conservatives are the ones with an uncritical worship of muh freedums, it's probably the only thing keeping a conservative carving up of free speech off the table
even when the christians were trying to protect the children from naughty music and dungeons and dragons, they had to work around the first amendment rather than dismantle it, because to them it would be unamerican to touch the sacred texts
Post by: VomKriege on May 05, 2022, 10:45:31 AM
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 05, 2022, 10:46:55 AM
Post by: james on May 05, 2022, 11:00:51 AM
Benji: SPEECH MUST BE FREE REEEEEEEE
Post by: Rufus on May 05, 2022, 11:15:39 AM
That doesn't mean it maintains itself. Someone has to make sure it's enforced as intended. If a government can enforce a stronger interpretation of free speech, it can enforce a weaker interpretation and maintain it at that level, too....Who upholds free speech then?the uncomplicated first amendment as it stands?
Post by: Uncle on May 05, 2022, 11:25:59 AM
governments can enforce a weaker interpretation of voter rights, or property rights, or right to an attorney
I mean sure it's all good, some people cast votes for trump which are inherently damaging to the union and on some level fueled by hatred/racism, we have justification to remove voting rights if you're not going to use that right responsibly
Post by: Lonewulfeus on May 05, 2022, 12:09:06 PM
Post by: Uncle on May 05, 2022, 12:14:04 PM
Republicans have no problem stopping people they don’t like from voting and it seems to be working for them.
correct, and if they were further enabled to find ways to arrest people for saying things they didn't like it would be equally ruinous
Post by: Lonewulfeus on May 05, 2022, 12:17:34 PM
Republicans have no problem stopping people they don’t like from voting and it seems to be working for them.
correct, and if they were further enabled to find ways to arrest people for saying things they didn't like it would be equally ruinous
Take a look at what they’re doing to Madison Cawthorn right now if you don’t believe they are already capable of punishing people for saying things they don’t like.
Post by: Uncle on May 05, 2022, 12:26:42 PM
Republicans have no problem stopping people they don’t like from voting and it seems to be working for them.
correct, and if they were further enabled to find ways to arrest people for saying things they didn't like it would be equally ruinous
Take a look at what they’re doing to Madison Cawthorn right now if you don’t believe they are already capable of punishing people for saying things they don’t like.
and all this would be happening to a much worse degree if voting rights and 1A were compromised in an official capacity, but fortunately they remain limited to loopholes
Post by: Rufus on May 05, 2022, 03:50:55 PM
why on earth would you do thatWhat are your trying to argue? Should we not be able to change laws, ever?
governments can enforce a weaker interpretation of voter rights, or property rights, or right to an attorney
I mean sure it's all good, some people cast votes for trump which are inherently damaging to the union and on some level fueled by hatred/racism, we have justification to remove voting rights if you're not going to use that right responsibly
My point is: our right to free expression over here in Germany is not as wide-ranging as yours in the US, but things turned out - fine, mostly? We have a functioning liberal society. I'm trying to tease out why anything lesser than "total" is unuseable, I guess. That's where the line appears to be drawn. Stray from that and you can't have - what? Things are doomed to get worse?
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2022, 04:00:54 PM
New WH Press Secretary just dropped.
At least the news of a new recession, food shortages and the Russians using tactical nukes won't be shared by another yt
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 05, 2022, 04:01:36 PM
Post by: Potato on May 05, 2022, 04:02:37 PM
https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/1522303111863455744 (https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/1522303111863455744)Psaki is still :whew
New WH Press Secretary just dropped.
But I can work with her
Post by: Uncle on May 05, 2022, 04:24:59 PM
why on earth would you do thatWhat are your trying to argue? Should we not be able to change laws, ever?
governments can enforce a weaker interpretation of voter rights, or property rights, or right to an attorney
I mean sure it's all good, some people cast votes for trump which are inherently damaging to the union and on some level fueled by hatred/racism, we have justification to remove voting rights if you're not going to use that right responsibly
My point is: our right to free expression over here in Germany is not as wide-ranging as yours in the US, but things turned out - fine, mostly? We have a functioning liberal society. I'm trying to tease out why anything lesser than "total" is unuseable, I guess. That's where the line appears to be drawn. Stray from that and you can't have - what? Things are doomed to get worse?
your specific statement was that it's ok to weaken rights, not merely "change laws"
yes if the FDA wants to change the percentage of real fruit juice required in a product in order to call it actual juice, they can change that up, down, in any direction
that's not a matter of rights, though
we have a right to an attorney. let's just arbitrarily weaken that a little bit, we'll say that if the act you committed was motivated by hatred then that's unconscionable and in these cases, you have waived your right to an attorney
jan 6 insurrectionists were motivated by hate so none of them get a court advocate...but then, those who hate Trump don't either
we have property rights. let's just arbitrarily weaken that a little bit, we'll say that if you purchase something that could be used to demonstrate denial of the Holocaust then you have no right to what you have purchased and it can be confiscated by the state
use a laptop to browse your way to a denialist conspiracy site, you lose your laptop...even if it was an accidental click or you're 100% against it and claim you were doing research
and, in line with the above, we also have free speech rights...
every argument in favor of weakening rights all feel identical to when politicians weasel in some "think of the children" justification, when it's obvious to everyone that this verbiage was used to make those opposed to it appear monstrous or anti-children
"ban books that teach the injustices done to black people, because the poor white children will have their self-esteem devastated"
erosion of rights is always a wolf in sheep's clothing
Post by: Rufus on May 05, 2022, 05:23:09 PM
No it wasn't. :doge
your specific statement was that it's ok to weaken rights, not merely "change laws"
Post by: Lonewulfeus on May 05, 2022, 05:24:41 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2022, 07:04:10 PM
:trumps
It's like Putin recorded this especially for you guys
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1522206145817071616 (https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1522206145817071616)
Post by: VomKriege on May 05, 2022, 08:53:44 PM
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3891477&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1534#post523201934 (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3891477&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1534#post523201934)
The whole thread
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1521294535556571137.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1521294535556571137.html)
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2022, 09:25:13 AM
Republicans have no problem stopping people they don’t like from voting and it seems to be working for them.
correct, and if they were further enabled to find ways to arrest people for saying things they didn't like it would be equally ruinous
Take a look at what they’re doing to Madison Cawthorn right now if you don’t believe they are already capable of punishing people for saying things they don’t like.
Why not deal with the erosion of rights were actually dealing with instead of spending so much time playing devils advocate against changes that have absolutely no chance of ever seeing the light of day? Republican appointed Supreme Court justices have decided that past precedent no longer matters, I think that’s a bigger deal than whatever random Twitter users are saying :trumpsThe fuck are you talking about? Occam came into this thread once again to say that the government should be allowed to completely control everyone's speech and we're responding to that and people agreeing with him that freedom of speech should not be allowed, not saying that anything about Twitter matters.
Whatever's going on with Madison Cawthorn is merely you trying to be disingenuous and muddy the waters because the government is not prosecuting and threatening to imprison him for his speech. If your position is that no one should ever be allowed to be criticized for their speech (especially not elected officials) and such criticism should be outlawed maybe you should actually take that position instead of throwing Cawthorn as an example into a discussion about whether the government should be imprisoning people for their speech.
And the Supreme Court has always overruled past precedents, if that's your major complaint about any Supreme Court decision it's not going to get you very far. The Court overruling Plessy is vastly superior to it footnoting that it considers Korematsu good precedent but it won't ever apply it.
...Who upholds free speech then?
That doesn't mean it maintains itself. Someone has to make sure it's enforced as intended. If a government can enforce a stronger interpretation of free speech, it can enforce a weaker interpretation and maintain it at that level, too.
What are your trying to argue? Should we not be able to change laws, ever?The government should not be allowed to infringe on the content of speech at all. This empowers them to decide on the content of all speech. I asked you for a limiting principle and you've come back with merely restating your previous theory that there shouldn't be one and the government should be able to limit whatever it wants.
My point is: our right to free expression over here in Germany is not as wide-ranging as yours in the US, but things turned out - fine, mostly? We have a functioning liberal society. I'm trying to tease out why anything lesser than "total" is unuseable, I guess. That's where the line appears to be drawn. Stray from that and you can't have - what? Things are doomed to get worse?
I don't care if you think that your own government suppressing speech is fine because you don't want to say certain things anyway but I personally don't want to live in a society where people fear being imprisoned and killed if they say something the state decides is wrong let alone one where this is actually happening and there's no law to defend anyone with. (Telling me that the American government is not perfect and often criminal is not going to get you very far either.) Some people seem to think societies where what the people are allowed to think is limited to only what the government approves is superior to liberal democracy, but I disagree. If you want to convince me otherwise you're going to have to do significantly better than "well, it's only gone wrong for the people who do what the government doesn't want."
I really don't understand your claim that courts preventing the government from violating the clear language of "shall make no law" (not even punishing them for violating the law, since governments are immune) means that courts should be allowed to determine instances where governments may actually ignore this and make laws against freedom of speech. If the people wish to change this law then the people can repeal the First Amendment (or at least its part about speech and press), this absolutely cannot mean the government alone can simply ignore the law because it wishes it to be different or start pretending it can find loopholes in the law even where the law allows for none.
You, and Occam, seem to be arguing that because past governments were criminal, current and future governments should be allowed to be criminal and apparently exempt from even being called criminal by anyone else. While this is probably Occam's position since he's always argued for complete authoritarianism, I'm going to continue to doubt it's actually yours and assume it's merely because you're trying to grasp for reasons that people should be imprisoned for their speech if the government dislikes it.
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2022, 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/06/capitol-house-staff-mistreatment-spartz-00030498
Rep. Victoria Spartz topped a nonpartisan group’s “Worst Bosses” list last year, winning the dubious title of most staff turnover in the House. Her retention record is only getting worse.
Four aides are departing the Indiana Republican’s office this month after another exited weeks ago, leaving a skeleton crew of staffers in the first-term lawmaker’s D.C. office. Spartz’s exodus is on the radar of GOP leadership, which has tried to address her performance as an employer at least twice since the end of last year, according to a senior Republican close to the matter.
The frequent departures stem from an allegedly unhealthy work environment, according to interviews with eight people, including more than a half-dozen former staffers as well as Republicans familiar with her office dynamics who were granted anonymity to speak candidly. They described Spartz as an unpredictable boss whose temper can rocket from tepid to boiling.
Those former staffers and other Republicans told POLITICO she frequently yells and curses at aides, belittling her staff’s intelligence and berating them in front of others — members, constituents and even with reporters in close proximity. On more than one occasion, three former staffers said, Spartz likened her aides’ writing skills to those of elementary-school students and proclaimed that her children were more talented than her staff.
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Inside Spartz’s office, three of the former staffers accused the Republican of raising tensions by usually avoiding firings and instead bullying aides until they leave on their own.
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staffers say her response to previous staff departures followed a familiar pattern, according to multiple former staffers and Republicans: She would respond that she was effectively doing the jobs of her exiting aides anyway.:karen
Some of the former staffers pointed to Spartz’s inability to make up her mind about standard decisions — including about hiring new aides — as another significant problem. That paralysis, as well as Spartz’s assertions that her staff would frequently get her demands wrong, led to a mutually agreed-upon practice between her and employees to make audio recordings of her requests or guidance for tasks she wanted completed.
But despite the existence of that audio, former staffers said, Spartz at times would later deny that she asked her aides to take a certain action or accuse aides of doing something she didn’t want. The former staffers interviewed said they decided not to play Spartz the tapes of her own voice in order to avoid further conflict with their then-boss, despite her requesting that the conversations be recorded.
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 06, 2022, 03:54:54 PM
:dead
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2022, 04:13:58 PM
Post by: VomKriege on May 06, 2022, 05:07:00 PM
Post by: who is ted danson? on May 06, 2022, 06:11:42 PM
Post by: VomKriege on May 06, 2022, 06:26:03 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 07, 2022, 05:31:40 AM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1522746017451442176 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1522746017451442176)
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1522743139475197952 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1522743139475197952)
https://twitter.com/LegendaryEnergy/status/1522758140403470337 (https://twitter.com/LegendaryEnergy/status/1522758140403470337)
The Johnson's just had their vaccine restricted by the FDA so now is a good time to go to a Trump Rally. :dead
Post by: Rufus on May 07, 2022, 07:37:20 AM
I asked you for a limiting principle and you've come back with merely restating your previous theory that there shouldn't be one and the government should be able to limit whatever it wants.I left that alone because I thought you don't believe in any lesser limiting priciples than what your 1st amendment provides, i.e. 'agree to disagree' and walk away.
While our limiting principle is weaker, it's still a limiting principle. Our government is less restricted in how it can limit speech, not unrestricted. Meaning this, afaict...
The government should not be allowed to infringe on the content of speech at all. This empowers them to decide on the content of all speech....isn't actually true.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 07, 2022, 08:20:43 AM
Post by: VomKriege on May 07, 2022, 10:47:52 AM
https://twitter.com/AccountableGOP/status/1522709435122327552
Someone say the context is that he's referencing a law regarding Backpage, a site for classified ads but huh...
Post by: Nintex on May 07, 2022, 12:57:58 PM
They all had to stand in a puddle of mud to hear Trump praise them.
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 07, 2022, 02:56:20 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 07, 2022, 04:18:47 PM
https://youtu.be/jDTi2eMW26U
:maduro
Post by: Nintex on May 07, 2022, 06:27:10 PM
:trumps
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 07, 2022, 06:57:22 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 07, 2022, 07:17:40 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Jeff_Paul/status/1321331610344656897
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2022, 02:17:21 AM
While our limiting principle is weaker, it's still a limiting principle. Our government is less restricted in how it can limit speech, not unrestricted. Meaning this, afaict...I think these are absolutely connected. "Hate speech" is a broad infinite category that can be constantly redefined and the entire power of redefinition is itself placed with entities with an incentive to expand it. I think you'd also have to argue against history to claim that content restrictions don't expand outwards once granted. When the Supreme Court said that speech against war and slavery was outside the First Amendment because of the danger these posed to the government doing what it wished this eventually was used as a supporting precedent to justify outlawing political parties, books, advocating communism broadly, speaking against a war at a time when others are also speaking against it, etc. and was also used to get around other precedents against compelling speech. The First Amendment never changed from "shall make no law" but administrations and courts didn't stop writing exceptions into this for "dangerous" speech until the Supreme Court explicitly reversed itself after fifty years. (Similarly, the Supreme Court saying that political speech and the free press could be limited led to the Obama Administration arguing that it could ban books from being published.) Maybe non-Americans are less likely to abuse exceptions without bounds but that theory doesn't seem to fit very well with the theory that it's existentially dangerous to allow non-Americans to speak or hear things the government dislikes.The government should not be allowed to infringe on the content of speech at all. This empowers them to decide on the content of all speech....isn't actually true.
I don't mean to debate the particulars of German law (nor American law actually I'm just pointing to it as examples) especially since my German is nicht sehr gut but to me the "insults the human dignity" provision is a giant gaping hole that a malicious actor will absolutely abuse. It would be one thing if the law said something like "denying that the Holocaust happened" but that's not what it says and this actually isn't illegal in Germany, instead the entire prohibition is on the broader category of "hate speech" and relies mostly on a government determination of "incitement" and "insults human dignity" which are the very problems that American law had and still has. It's not that your content may cross a line so you know specifically what you can and cannot say (that'd be bad enough), it's that someone in the government interprets it that way. And who determines if the government is interpreting it accurately? The government. The "limiting principle" isn't one because it relies on the good faith of an actor who has already determined that your content is criminal. In theory, the people can vote out people who might abuse this exception but to me history suggests that arguing for this would be written into the exception as the American government has done multiple times against people who criticized war and foreign policies. (For the record, I wouldn't care for the American government declaring a global jurisdiction to enforce its speech content laws either.)
It's true that in the greater debate about free speech I simply can't fathom why anyone would ever want another person imprisoned for their speech but to this specific point I'm just not being glib and rhetorical when I say that I haven't seen a system that criminalizes speech that doesn't seem to rely entirely on the good faith of people who thankfully adhere to liberal democratic values to not begin abusing exceptions to freedom of speech to eliminate speech against the government or anyone else with power. At a time when politically focused elites seem increasingly interested in extreme illiberalism and very specifically so about speech I don't find such theoretical non-legal safeguards to provide a very protective feeling. I'm not going to say Germany or Canada's system doesn't "work" to an extent (and I am being glib to suggest those except Canada are not mostly liberal democracies) but I don't see why it wouldn't work even better if those states didn't criminalize speech. Sure, point to America, but I don't understand how Donald Trump criminalizing criticism of himself and his administration would have led to his defeat in the 2020 election as it did in our non-hypothetical world. If your argument is that any pro-Trump speech should have simply been criminalized back prior to 2015 then I think you're proving my point about the abuse of exceptions. Donald Trump (like others such as Woodrow Wilson and Richard Nixon) has long despised free speech and especially the free press, but he wasn't able to get very far on this, with few bills even being introduced by his largest sycophants and his executive attempts gutted, because the American exceptions are so few and small.
Post by: Nintex on May 08, 2022, 05:21:32 AM
There was a poll done a while ago that showed people are more afraid to say what they think now than they were in the DDR.
When Das Leben der Anderen released in 2006 it seemed crazy to live in a society like that and now that's pretty much the reality everywhere.
Post by: Rufus on May 08, 2022, 05:58:18 AM
I don't mean to debate the particulars of German law (nor American law actually I'm just pointing to it as examples) especially since my German is nicht sehr gut but to me the "insults the human dignity" provision is a giant gaping hole that a malicious actor will absolutely abuse.I don't know if I'm more optimistic on this point or less. More, because I'm not worried about anyone abusing this loophole, or less, because I think that no limits would ultimately stop bad actors with popular support, whether there are loopholes or not.
Maybe BisMarkie will see this when he's got the time, because unlike me he's actually equipped to have an informed discussion about this, since he teaches the topic.
Post by: VomKriege on May 08, 2022, 05:59:12 AM
Post by: Nintex on May 08, 2022, 06:21:49 AM
Wasn't the DDR... 20% of the combined German population ? So any poll results on the matter would actually be fairly narrow.It's difficult to find the exact source on modern Google but there's a pretty lenghty piece on the recent poll they did
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-struggles-to-define-limits-of-what-can-be-said-a-1295229.html (https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-struggles-to-define-limits-of-what-can-be-said-a-1295229.html)
Post by: Rufus on May 08, 2022, 06:24:19 AM
There was a poll done a while ago that showed people are more afraid to say what they think now than they were in the DDR.I'm not familiar with that poll, but I find that silly on its face. I smell a hefty dose of GDR nostalgia.
When Das Leben der Anderen released in 2006 it seemed crazy to live in a society like that and now that's pretty much the reality everywhere.Because of constant mass surveillance, or because you can get shouted at online by what feels like the whole world (shortcircuiting people's sense of proportion)?
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2022, 06:30:29 AM
I don't know if I'm more optimistic on this point or less. More, because I'm not worried about anyone abusing this loophole, or less, because I think that no limits would ultimately stop bad actors with popular support, whether there are loopholes or not.Probably more optimistic, as I already said earlier in this conversation I don't expect only good people to obtain power. With or without popular support, especially since history has shown they don't need it in order to abuse the law.
To elaborate further, when considering the example of a single system where such abuse is legally prohibited and protections that victims are able to appeal to exists but yet such abuses or other attempts at abuses happened for centuries, it doesn't seem clear why a purportedly younger system where such prohibitions and protections don't exist should be taken on faith to not have any abuses possible even if none have happened yet to date in the current incarnation.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 08, 2022, 09:44:04 AM
You might be thinking of this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Jeff_Paul/status/1321331610344656897
that's actually exactly what I was thinking about. :lol
down to the video clip
Post by: VomKriege on May 08, 2022, 02:48:41 PM
I don't want to say it's an inconsequential matter but "hate speech laws" really had a rather minor effect so far in reality despite seniority compared to new counterterrorism laws or the tectonic changes brought by the Internet on where and how speech is exchanged.
Even the American "disinfo fighting" council or board at the DHS is framed in foreign hostile influence terms.
Post by: Nintex on May 09, 2022, 02:09:56 PM
:trumps
Post by: Occam on May 09, 2022, 10:52:40 PM
You, and Occam, seem to be arguing that because past governments were criminal, current and future governments should be allowed to be criminal and apparently exempt from even being called criminal by anyone else. While this is probably Occam's position since he's always argued for complete authoritarianism
I did no such thing. Why are you arguing in bad faith? Having certain rules in place that prevent the erosion of democracy or the destruction of the environment (our habitat) is not a call for authoritarianism. Quite the contrary. It allows for a maximum of individual freedom, because our safety is protected. Free speech absolutism is nonsense, and doesn't exist anywhere. There are always limits on speech, even in America. For instance there are defamation laws, or if you call for someone to be murdered, or post instructions on how to build weapons of mass destruction, presumably you will be arrested.
ALL rights have limits.
Furthermore, I wasn't suggesting broad censorship (or imprisonment of anyone), only that news media adhere to certain ethical standards, like fact checking and not repeating disinformation once disproven.
Having large disinformation networks (basically brainwashing operations) in place that serve as the only source of news for much of the population is not beneficial to democracy. Asides from paving the way for a fascist dictatorship, this actually kills people. How many Americans have died of Covid after refusing perfectly safe vaccines because right-wing propaganda lied to them? In the near future, another example is going to be man-made global warming, which is about to kill millions (billions?).
I have yet to hear a good argument how Hitler's credo "the jews are our misfortune!" being broadcast to millions long before he took power was somehow beneficial to society in general or democracy in specific.
Doctors have a code of ethics they need to adhere to, as do lawyers. Why shouldn't journalists? And since corporations are people according to the gods of capitalism, why shouldn't the corporate sellers of news have a code of ethics, too?
You always seem to focus on minute details instead of looking at the bigger picture, ignoring causal relationships. You are refusing to acknowledge what has been unfolding right in front of your eyes for the past 30 or so years. Not seeing the forest for the trees?
Anyway, as I said before, I fear US democracy may be beyond saving at this point.
Republicans own most high level judges, precedent no longer matters. They are making gerrymandering and voter suppression legal while Democrats can't even pass any laws thanks to the insane way the US government works. Soon enough the theocrats will take over, and they are already in the process of taking away your rights. They will manage to outlaw abortion, and after they do I see no reason why they wouldn't come for gay marriage. And maybe contraception (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/09/mississippi-governor-contraception-abortion-rights), too. Because, why not. It's not in the holy constitution, after all. Unlike the right to own automatic rifles. Buckle up!
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2022, 11:11:33 PM
Having certain rules in place that prevent the erosion of democracy or the destruction of the environment (our habitat) is not a call for authoritarianism. Quite the contrary. It allows for a maximum of individual freedom, because our safety is protected. Free speech absolutism is nonsense, and doesn't exist anywhere. There are always limits on speech, even in America. For instance there are defamation laws, or if you call for someone to be murdered, or post instructions on how to build weapons of mass destruction, presumably you will be arrested.So you don't know anything about American laws and yet you're pontificating on them at length?
The "maximum of individual freedom" is not "you are imprisoned when you say what the government doesn't like."
Furthermore, I wasn't suggesting broad censorship (or imprisonment of anyone), only that news media adhere to certain ethical standards, like fact checking and not repeating disinformation once disproven.Funny again how you yet say you aren't calling for censorship or imprisonment and then immediately start listing out your grievances about people you do want to censor and imprison. And earlier you pretty explicitly said you want to compel speech. If you don't want people to be censored and imprisoned then why are you spending so much time explaining why in a democracy some ideas should not be allowed to be spoken or heard without people being imprisoned for it?
Having large disinformation networks (basically brainwashing operations) in place that serve as the only source of news for much of the population is not beneficial to democracy. Asides from paving the way for a fascist dictatorship, this actually kills people. How many Americans have died of Covid after refusing perfectly safe vaccines because right-wing propaganda lied to them? In the near future, another example is going to be man-made global warming, which is about to kill millions (billions?).
I have yet to hear a good argument how Hitler's credo "the jews are our misfortune!" being broadcast to millions long before he took power was somehow beneficial to society in general or democracy in specific.
Doctors have a code of ethics they need to adhere to, as do lawyers. Why shouldn't journalists? And since corporations are people according to the gods of capitalism, why shouldn't the corporate sellers of news have a code of ethics, too?
Republicans own most high level judges, precedent no longer matters. They are making gerrymandering and voter suppression legalAgain, totally ignorant of how the law works yet expert on how it should work. For the maintenance of democracy of course.
Democrats can't even pass any laws thanks to the insane way the US government works.In your country if a party does not have a majority can it pass laws without compromise? Can the party pass laws without compromise when it's own members disagree? Assume the party whip is incredibly weak.
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2022, 11:21:24 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2022, 11:37:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSWIxEDXIAIADgW?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSWI3WdXEAAabNg?format=png&name=900x900)
Post by: Potato on May 10, 2022, 01:20:46 AM
Fundraising:I wonder how this qualifies her to be a member of parliament?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSWIxEDXIAIADgW?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSWI3WdXEAAabNg?format=png&name=900x900)
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2022, 01:26:55 AM
I wonder how this qualifies her to be a member of parliament?What part of "I'm not a racist, unlike my dad" did you miss?
Post by: Occam on May 10, 2022, 02:09:44 AM
There are always limits on speech, even in America. For instance there are defamation laws, or if you call for someone to be murdered, or post instructions on how to build weapons of mass destruction, presumably you will be arrested.So you don't know anything about American laws and yet you're pontificating on them at length?
Which part of what I posted was wrong? There are defamation laws, incitement to murder is illegal, there is a federal law against distributing bomb-making instructions.
Are you saying you don't actually know anything about American laws?
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2022, 02:22:04 AM
Defamation is a tort, criminal defamation law in the states (there is no federal law) has been gutted and is essentially only used by the police to prosecute their critics, good luck trying to bring a criminal prosecution for defamation against another private party in 2022 until the Supreme Court overturns Sullivan. Calling for someone to be murdered is not illegal, go see Twitter right now if you think otherwise, incitement is specific and time sensitive and requires actions. You can go online right now and find out how to produce WMDs including nuclear weapons, this is not illegal either.
Even if these statements were true, it would not provide justification for further speech suppression.
Post by: Occam on May 10, 2022, 02:51:08 AM
https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/20030908_RL32074_fcbf5a7d23f14b3350d4c2d81465aaaf7bcd299d.pdf
Hence, presumably.
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2022, 02:57:27 AM
Yes, you can find them online. Yet there is a law against it.
https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/20030908_RL32074_fcbf5a7d23f14b3350d4c2d81465aaaf7bcd299d.pdf
Hence, presumably.
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(2)Prohibition.—It shall be unlawful for any person—
(A)to teach or demonstrate the making or use of an explosive, a destructive device, or a weapon of mass destruction, or to distribute by any means information pertaining to, in whole or in part, the manufacture or use of an explosive, destructive device, or weapon of mass destruction, with the intent that the teaching, demonstration, or information be used for, or in furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime of violence; or
(B)to teach or demonstrate to any person the making or use of an explosive, a destructive device, or a weapon of mass destruction, or to distribute to any person, by any means, information pertaining to, in whole or in part, the manufacture or use of an explosive, destructive device, or weapon of mass destruction, knowing that such person intends to use the teaching, demonstration, or information for, or in furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime of violence.
Post by: Nintex on May 10, 2022, 03:42:12 AM
New insurrection just dropped
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2022, 04:06:00 AM
Quote from: https://bangordailynews.com/2022/05/09/news/bangor/pro-abortion-chalk-message-appears-on-susan-collins-bangor-sidewalk/
Sen. Susan Collins was confronted with a pro-abortion rights message Saturday night when an unknown person or persons wrote in chalk on the sidewalk outside her West Broadway home in Bangor, prompting a police response.:badass
“Susie, please, Mainers want WHPA —–> vote yes, clean up your mess,” the message read, according to a Bangor police report.
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Bangor police responded to West Broadway at 9:20 p.m. Saturday to investigate a message written in chalk on a sidewalk, Bangor police spokesperson Wade Betters said.
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“We are grateful to the Bangor police officers and the City public works employee who responded to the defacement of public property in front of our home,” Collins said.
Post by: Occam on May 10, 2022, 04:27:15 AM
Anyway, to sum it up, you have no problem with tort law stifling free speech, but the media should not be held accountable for making false statements of fact. Because lies and propaganda can do no harm and are a valuable part of the political discourse, leading to the betterment of humanity.
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2022, 04:53:32 AM
The media is held accountable by others attempting to undermine their reputation as an information source, I prefer this system because it protects everyone's rights even if it's not harsh enough to undermine the largest actors who regularly produce disinformation that its audience likes. You want them thrown in prison if they say something the state doesn't like. Look, we're just going to go in circles. You think free speech would still be fine if Donald Trump and/or his appointees had been allowed by the law to end The Washington Post for publishing disinformation, I think this is incredibly wrong and would have been a threat to liberal democracy. I don't think we're going to ever agree on this. You're not going to convince me that maybe democracy in America would have been improved by this but maybe you've convinced others that freedom of speech and the press should depend on the good will of the state.
edit: I took out some snark that may have been insulting.
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2022, 05:38:07 AM
Quote from: https://theintercept.com/2022/05/08/maryland-campaign-brandy-brooks-progressive-accountability/
Nobody was better positioned to model such a process than Brandy Brooks, a racial equity and environmental justice consultant running for an at-large seat on the Montgomery County Council in Maryland. She’s the founder and CEO of Radical Solutions LLC, a consulting firm that offers “training, coaching and consulting for progressive organizing leaders who are working on multiracial, cross-class, movement-building electoral and issue campaigns.” The firm’s “focus [is] on supporting and centering the leadership of women and femmes of color.”:american
On March 14, Brooks learned that she herself was the subject of a complaint of a hostile work environment from a member of her campaign staff. What made the process feel especially difficult — but also resolvable through a restorative justice process — was the source of the complaint: a person she considered a longtime close friend.
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Sam bowed out, and Brandy invited over a female friend for the type of evening she was looking for: tears, hand-holding, and self-exploration. That Sunday night, just after midnight — technically Monday morning — Sam reached back out to start a long conversation about the virtues of wool dryer balls.
Sam later said — to the Washington Post and others — that they understood the request for mutual crying and hand-holding as an unwanted romantic advance. Without invalidating Sam’s perspective, a mutual friend said that she had seen Brandy say similar things to people of all genders, not meant in a romantic way. “That’s how she interacts with her very close friends, and I felt it was really taken out of context,” the friend said.
As the head of the campaign, she had suggested something inappropriate either way, Brandy has since acknowledged. That the relationship was already unprofessional is not in dispute, and Sam hadn’t even joined the campaign full-time yet.
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The sessions helped Brandy craft her statement of accountability. At the second mediation, Brandy read a draft of her statement to Sam, who told her, according to Brandy, that it was beyond what they had expected, and they accepted it without amendments. The two jointly signed a mediation agreement on March 22, 2022. “[Sam] and Brandy Brooks agree to keep mediation discussion and written products confidential except for a limited circle of close advisers,” reads the agreement. “[Sam] affirms that the campaign and Brandy Brooks handled this situation in good faith with a clear intention of restorative justice and will not make any further requests of Brandy Brooks or the campaign pertaining to the complaint of March 14.”
She read it aloud to staff on March 26. “Brandy spoke for a grueling 10 minutes about how sorry she was,” said one of the roughly nine staffers in the room.
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Shortly afterward, Brandy and the campaign began to field calls from people who had endorsed her, or others in the progressive community, saying they had heard damning stories about her behavior on the campaign, specifically that she was offering jobs to staff in exchange for sexual favors, and retaliating when the overtures were rejected. Montgomery County’s rumor mill was running wild, and Brandy tried to tamp down the speculation.
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On the night of April 7, a Thursday, Brandy’s campaign learned that the local Jews United for Justice chapter was discussing the situation and considering dropping their endorsement. The next day, Brandy called her endorsers to let them know as much as she could: There had been a complaint of a hostile workplace environment, and it had been resolved in mediation.
On Saturday, April 9, Brandy got a call from a member of the Metro D.C. DSA steering committee, its leadership body, inviting her to join a call on Tuesday, April 12, to respond to what they said were disturbing allegations they’d been hearing.
That Monday, Brandy did a second reading of her accountability statement to two kitchen cabinet members who had missed the first meeting. Sam was present for that too and told Brandy afterward that the statement was no longer acceptable and more accountability was needed. Brandy said she offered to reenter mediation, but Sam told her the only way they’d do so would be if Brandy withdrew completely from the race. It’s an open question what, exactly, prompted Sam’s change of heart, but Brandy calling her endorsers to tamp down the rumor mill may have played a role. Brandy said Sam couched her departure from the campaign not as a demand but simply a necessity. “I’m not asking you to do this, I’m just saying this is the only way,” was the posture, according to Brandy.
Dropping out, Brandy responded, was not an option, for a number of reasons, including her faith that her campaign was best positioned to serve the million people of Montgomery County she would represent. Beyond that, the campaign was publicly financed to the tune of $175,000 from local taxpayers. Ending the campaign early would mean Brandy would be personally on the hook for that amount, plus interest.
Brooks was told on Tuesday evening at the Metro DC DSA steering committee meeting that the committee would be voting soon on whether to recommend its membership unendorse her campaign, and would halt work on her behalf for the time being. The committee told her it was aware of evidence that she had confessed to sexual harassment — presumably a reference to her accountability statement — and Brooks again took responsibility for what she had done but denied actively seeking sex or retaliating in any way. Losing their ground support would be hard, Brooks knew, and a public denunciation would be difficult to overcome.
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The next day, DSA members put forward a resolution to unendorse Brooks, arguing that the only way for her to be held accountable was for her to end her campaign. “Whereas,” reads the resolution, “evidence has been brought forward that while an internal campaign mediation process was undertaken in an attempt to seek accountability from the candidate for the harm caused, the outcomes of the process were insufficient and it is our belief that true accountability cannot occur amidst an ongoing campaign for office.”
A steering committee meeting was held that evening to discuss the resolution. Sam spoke at the steering committee meeting, laying out the allegations. One attendee asked by chat if Brandy, as a long-serving DSA member, was entitled to due process. “Endorsement is a privilege, not a right of membership,” a steering committee member said in response. Brandy was not so privileged.
From the time DSA’s steering committee met with Brandy and the time that members, supported by the steering committee, put forward a resolution calling for her to end her campaign, two days had elapsed.
Much of the public condemnation of Brooks was organized around the straightforward power dynamic at work between a boss and an employee. While the dynamic was painted as black and white in this instance, in others, the left has been able to construct increasingly sophisticated power maps that get at the gradations of power differentials at play in different relationships. Race and gender are significant factors, yet there’s no evidence DSA examined the potential for implicit bias at work against Brandy or in the favor of Sam.
“We’re disappointed to now see her twist the language of abolition and restorative justice to try to deflect from her actions,” DSA’s public statement read.
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That the dynamic between the two on the campaign was inappropriate isn’t in dispute. But in real-time and in hindsight, it seemed like the kind of thing a sophisticated progressive movement invested in the concept of restorative justice could handle through good-faith mediation. Indeed, if something like this can’t be resolved through such a process, what can? Instead, Brooks’s agreement to enter mediation became the very evidence against her and formed the foundation of the DSA’s resolution for unendorsement. “I cannot emphasize enough that Brandy Brooks admitted to sexually harassing her employee in a meeting before her entire staff. Those facts are not in dispute,” posted one DSA member who co-sponsored the resolution on Twitter.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 10, 2022, 08:56:07 AM
Gov. Greg Abbott wants to challenge SCOTUS case requiring states to educate all children
The Republican leader said the prospective overturn of Roe v. Wade sets the table for Texas to 'resurrect' a challenge to Plyler v. Doe (1982) requiring states to offer free public education to all children .
Post by: james on May 10, 2022, 10:26:14 AM
Right benji?
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 10, 2022, 10:31:15 AM
Not the WRONG to bear arms afterall
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2022, 05:10:41 PM
twitter.com/FOX9/status/1522648758684635141https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1524037811283898370
:dead
Post by: Nintex on May 10, 2022, 05:44:56 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2022, 01:20:45 AM
Quote from: https://jacobinmag.com/2022/05/democrats-policymaking-apparatus-is-wildly-dysfunctional-and-undemocratic
I spent a couple of months last year pointing out that the Democratic childcare proposal would dramatically increase childcare prices for middle-class families right above the subsidy cliff. At the time, I was the only one publicly saying this (unless you also count the DC city government, which published a report saying the same thing). And I got a crazy amount of backlash for doing so.:american
Email blasts went out across the Hill telling everyone I was wrong. The Center for American Progress (CAP) ran a social media campaign claiming not only that I was wrong but also that the childcare proposal didn’t even have a subsidy cliff (it did). Childcare advocates got Politico’s Eleanor Mueller to write an attack on me that lined up quotes from Rasheed Malik of CAP, Melissa Boteach of the National Women’s Law Center (formerly at CAP), an anonymous “Democratic aide,” and even Senator Patty Murray, all saying in so many words that I was way off base.
All of this was bullshit. One of Yglesias’s think tank sources told him that this was a known problem with the childcare plan well before I pointed it out, but that the problem had nonetheless been suppressed for political reasons.
But how was it that nobody noticed this problem until Bruenig? I heard from someone who used to work at a well-regarded center-left think tank that one of her colleagues noticed this exact problem earlier. But when she raised the issue, she was told to keep quiet because the care groups have always been supportive on other issues.
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In one case, right after a new draft of the BBB legislation was published, I pointed out on Twitter that the paid leave program had become more restrictive. Whereas previously someone was eligible provided they had worked at any point in the few months prior to taking leave, now they had to have done that and earned at least $2,000 in the prior two years. This new restriction was aimed at denying eligibility to the poorest workers in our society.
About an hour later, Eleanor Mueller, the same Politico journalist that the childcare advocates had lined up to write a piece against me, bizarrely said that I was wrong. She said instead that the new eligibility requirement “makes sure that people with erratic income can access paid leave even if they haven’t worked in the period immediately prior.” But this was false as a matter of basic reading comprehension. The $2,000 earnings requirement was on top of the requirement to have worked in the period immediately prior. It did not provide any new eligibility relative to the prior bill draft. It only restricted eligibility further.
More interesting than Mueller’s error, though, is contemplating how exactly she came to the point where she was rebutting me with a lie. I suppose it’s possible that she just saw my tweet (she doesn’t follow me) and, of her own volition, decided to rebut it. Perhaps she had already read the brand new statutory paid leave text and felt confident enough in her reading of it to say I was wrong. But the much more likely scenario is that the same people who fed her bullshit about my childcare analysis also fed her bullshit about this paid leave eligibility point. In other words, she was had by Democratic agents of policy misinformation.
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When I wrote a piece about this, a significant member of Congress and their staff contacted me to talk about this development and, to my surprise, ask me how I even learned that the bill had been changed in this way. It hadn’t been reported in the media. The section-by-section fact sheet had not been updated to reflect the change. There was absolutely zero communication from anyone that the first three years of the pre-K plan had been basically eliminated. The only reason I knew it had happened, which I told this member, is that every time the BBB bill was updated, I would reread the entire statutory text of the childcare section (and a few other sections I was tracking) to spot changes.
It certainly looked like the small group of insiders responsible for shepherding the bill were hiding the ball even from other Democratic lawmakers.
Indeed, the information climate around the pre-K and childcare proposal funding got so bad that someone actually leaked to me an internal CBO document showing the CBO had assumed that a large minority of states would not participate in either program because the federal subsidies to do so were so minimal. Put differently, this document, along with the surrounding facts about the legislative history, strongly suggested that the Democrats were scaling back childcare and pre-K funding in subsequent drafts in order to get the CBO to conclude that a bunch of kids would never get any of the benefits, and thus the program would not cost very much.
This fact was not circulating in any national publication or policy circle. Imagine how desperate things must have gotten for someone to conclude that their best option for getting this information out was through me. This means that they had exhausted their internal options and had decided that dozens of policy figures and media figures far more prominent than me wouldn’t put it out there, or that it might otherwise imperil them professionally.
Post by: VomKriege on May 11, 2022, 03:22:30 AM
https://twitter.com/swin24/status/1524119081644871682
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2022, 05:43:00 AM
Quote from: https://www.hawley.senate.gov/hawley-introduces-bill-strip-disney-special-copyright-protections
Today U.S. Senator Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) introduced the Copyright Clause Restoration Act, a new bill to strip woke corporations like Disney of special copyright protections. Senator Hawley’s bill would limit new copyright protections to 56 years and make the change retroactive for massive corporations like Disney that have been granted unnecessarily long copyright monopolies.Time to put aside our differences and help Senator Hawley take on the woke corporations. :american
Senator Hawley said, “the age of Republican handouts to Big Business is over. Thanks to special copyright protections from Congress, woke corporations like Disney have earned billions while increasingly pandering to woke activists. It’s time to take away Disney’s special privileges and open up a new era of creativity and innovation.”
Under Congress’s current sweetheart deal, companies like Disney have been granted certain copyright protections for up to 120 years—well beyond the original maximum of 28 years. Senator Hawley’s bill would crack down on copyright monopolies to ensure they only last long enough to encourage innovation.
Bill text can be found here.
Background
The Copyright Clause Restoration Act would:
Limit new copyrights to 56 years, the same period that persisted for most of the 20th century, which is plenty of incentive to encourage authorship.
Make this change retroactive for the biggest entertainment companies, including Disney, that were granted unnecessarily long monopolies. Under this legislation, Disney would begin to lose protections for some of its oldest and most valuable copyrights.
Delay implementation for certain license holders, to reasonably protect pre-existing contracts.
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"Bill text can be found here" isn't actually a link. :doge
https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2022-05/Copyright%20Clause%20Restoration%20Act.pdf
https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2022-05/Copyright%20Clause%20Restoration%20Act.pdf
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Post by: who is ted danson? on May 11, 2022, 01:01:55 PM
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“the age of Republican handouts to Big Business is over.
:lol :lol :lol
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 11, 2022, 02:15:40 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 11, 2022, 06:15:22 PM
Biden takes on Trump by calling him "The great MAGA king" as an insult
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 11, 2022, 06:33:54 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2022, 08:27:33 AM
Post by: BisMarckie on May 12, 2022, 10:59:01 AM
I mean the first article in the constitution about human dignity is complete window-dressing without any real legal meaning.
Post by: Uncle on May 12, 2022, 11:17:29 AM
re: the debate on the previous pages. My views and interpretations on this are quite fringe. I think German speech laws are completely broken and a sham. Full of Prussian ideas of “honor“ with a anti-Nazi bandaid applied.
I mean the first article in the constitution about human dignity is complete window-dressing without any real legal meaning.
fringe in terms of common German opinion? you'd prefer having something not based on a broad interpretation like what is "dignified"
Post by: BisMarckie on May 12, 2022, 11:28:46 AM
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2022, 12:03:26 PM
My views and interpretations on this are quite fringe.:jeanluc
What a weirdo.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 12, 2022, 12:05:27 PM
Yeah, it‘s a pretty unpopular position, but I‘m a free speech absolutist. Are the everyday implications non-existent for 99% of the population? Probably, but I would abolish every restriction on speech, especially criminal offenses like blasphemy(lol) and insulting a head of state(lol). These are some kooky ass laws that are completely unacceptable. The only saving grace is that the courts are pretty sensible and don’t really apply these laws.
Pretty brave to come out as a facist bro :heh
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2022, 01:00:54 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2022, 01:12:39 PM
Well, at least Himu and the consultants will be happy about 2022.
Post by: james on May 12, 2022, 01:40:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSfODXBWQAM64k4?format=png&name=small)
The lawmaker should have told this idiot woman that farming pics is barbaric and anyone who eats bacon should just kill themselves
Post by: Kurt Russell on May 12, 2022, 02:15:00 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 12, 2022, 02:36:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSkK46NWUAUynFu?format=jpg)
:dead
Give the man his Twitter back
Post by: james on May 12, 2022, 02:43:14 PM
Post by: Uncle on May 12, 2022, 03:07:47 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2022, 06:46:41 PM
coolcoolcoolcool
Post by: Uncle on May 12, 2022, 07:17:56 PM
Post by: who is ted danson? on May 13, 2022, 03:00:44 AM
if corporations were people they'd be crying right now
Post by: Uncle on May 13, 2022, 07:03:33 AM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 13, 2022, 01:24:26 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 14, 2022, 04:30:35 AM
6 months :doge
Post by: benjipwns on May 15, 2022, 04:44:21 PM
Quote from: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democratic-majority-leader-republicans-criticize-biden-at-war
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., on Friday slammed Republicans for criticizing President Biden when "we’re at war.":american
Hoyer, the second-highest-ranking House Democrat made the inflammatory statement while debating on the House floor, pushing back on Republicans’ pointing out Biden has "clamped down" on producing energy domestically.
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"It is unfortunate that in a time of war, that we spend all the time blaming our own president," Hoyer continued. "It is unfortunate that when the Europeans put themselves over the objections of numerous administrations in a place where they had a dependence on Russia, Russia has no leverage over us."
"I wish we'd get off this and really focus on the enemy," the Democrat leader added. "I know there's a lot of politics here, but we're at war. We need to produce energy."
Post by: Nintex on May 15, 2022, 05:27:34 PM
No war has been officially declared right?
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 15, 2022, 05:50:57 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 15, 2022, 05:56:54 PM
Exactly who or what is the US at war with according to Hoyer?Whaddya got?
Post by: Nintex on May 15, 2022, 06:13:06 PM
Is Jeff Bezos a Republican?
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 15, 2022, 07:27:12 PM
Also shouldn't be want more stimmys seeing as a pretty high % of people will use than on Amazon for Vidya and shit :rollsafe
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 16, 2022, 11:50:52 AM
:usacry
:tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun
Post by: Nintex on May 16, 2022, 01:03:21 PM
:trumps
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1526236308485578753 (https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1526236308485578753)
"I can't feed my baby" :era
"The army's gonna eat first missy" :biden
Post by: Occam on May 17, 2022, 11:32:10 AM
Suspect was allegedly motivated by the theory, but network has barely mentioned gunman’s reasoning, even after Tucker Carlson pushed the concept in more than 400 of his shows
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/17/buffalo-shooting-fox-news-tucker-carlson-great-replacement-theory
Just because a racist lie was pushed on 400+ episodes of Carson's propaganda/brainwashing show, who could have known someone would actually believe it and start killing people? That's preposterous!
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 17, 2022, 11:43:26 AM
Post by: who is ted danson? on May 17, 2022, 11:53:20 AM
Post by: Uncle on May 17, 2022, 02:21:49 PM
https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1382539028801605632
(https://i.imgur.com/WgBguJy.png)
Post by: VomKriege on May 17, 2022, 03:46:52 PM
https://twitter.com/SollenbergerRC/status/1526616525360308225
Post by: Potato on May 17, 2022, 05:01:38 PM
Fox News suddenly goes quiet on ‘great replacement’ theory after Buffalo shootingWhy are you watching Fox News?
Suspect was allegedly motivated by the theory, but network has barely mentioned gunman’s reasoning, even after Tucker Carlson pushed the concept in more than 400 of his shows
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/17/buffalo-shooting-fox-news-tucker-carlson-great-replacement-theory
Just because a racist lie was pushed on 400+ episodes of Carson's propaganda/brainwashing show, who could have known someone would actually believe it and start killing people? That's preposterous!
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2022, 06:00:37 PM
He wants to get angry about people he's being told to hate.Fox News suddenly goes quiet on ‘great replacement’ theory after Buffalo shootingWhy are you watching Fox News?
Suspect was allegedly motivated by the theory, but network has barely mentioned gunman’s reasoning, even after Tucker Carlson pushed the concept in more than 400 of his shows
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/17/buffalo-shooting-fox-news-tucker-carlson-great-replacement-theory
Just because a racist lie was pushed on 400+ episodes of Carson's propaganda/brainwashing show, who could have known someone would actually believe it and start killing people? That's preposterous!
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2022, 10:19:41 PM
And Dr. Oz is in second place so far.
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2022, 10:24:40 PM
Quote from: https://freebeacon.com/democrats/canceled-senate-dems-nix-disinformation-hearing-after-embarrassing-jankowicz-videos-surface/
Senate Democrats planned to hold a May 10 hearing on "disinformation, misinformation, and malinformation," just a couple of weeks after Biden tapped Jankowicz to head his administration's newly created Disinformation Governance Board. Democratic leaders were reluctant to have Jankowicz face Republican questioning, however, prompting them to nix the hearing, three Senate offices told the Washington Free Beacon.I hope this disinformation by Senate aides is being investigated.
"They yanked it when the entire ‘disinformation board' blew up," one senior aide told the Free Beacon. "They realized there's no way they could reschedule without Nina Jankowicz being called to testify."
The Senate's Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee had the hearing scheduled since April, but the optics of the hearing in light of Jankowicz's negative press led to its abrupt cancellation. Such hearings are normally sleepy events on Capitol Hill, but the controversy surrounding Jankowicz would have made the hearing a spectacle. The hearing would have been an opportunity for Republicans to question not only Jankowicz but also the creation of the board in the first place. The administration has refused to answer questions about its decision to give the disinformation post to Jankowicz, who has drawn criticism for falsely labeling Hunter Biden's laptop a "Russian influence op" and for her flamboyant TikTok videos.
Canceling Senate hearings on such short notice is out of the ordinary and typically does not happen unless a witness or expert falls ill or has a last-minute scheduling conflict. The disinformation hearing, according to multiple Senate offices, had been scheduled since early April and was planned for May 10.
The committee is helmed by Sen. Gary Peters (Mich.), who also chairs the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, the organization tasked with maintaining Democrats' Senate majority. Aides speculated the event was canceled to insulate vulnerable Democrats from the political blowback of the disinformation board.
"We have at least one Democrat who has a tough reelection coming up this cycle," the aide said, referring to New Hampshire senator Maggie Hassan. "It's pretty insane."
"Peters is running cover for the administration," another aide said. Peters did not respond to a request for comment.
Post by: Occam on May 17, 2022, 10:45:18 PM
edit: I took out some snark that may have been insulting.
I've been meaning to say thanks for this (I never saw your original response).
Sorry for the snark of my own.
Post by: Occam on May 17, 2022, 10:47:26 PM
What makes you think I do?Fox News suddenly goes quiet on ‘great replacement’ theory after Buffalo shootingWhy are you watching Fox News?
Suspect was allegedly motivated by the theory, but network has barely mentioned gunman’s reasoning, even after Tucker Carlson pushed the concept in more than 400 of his shows
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/17/buffalo-shooting-fox-news-tucker-carlson-great-replacement-theory
Just because a racist lie was pushed on 400+ episodes of Carson's propaganda/brainwashing show, who could have known someone would actually believe it and start killing people? That's preposterous!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 17, 2022, 10:55:01 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2022, 06:28:30 AM
Post by: VomKriege on May 18, 2022, 07:35:58 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/vzDwhEk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/U7wOvM1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/38Ef6YN.jpg)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 18, 2022, 09:16:13 AM
Post by: Occam on May 18, 2022, 11:04:20 AM
No, you morons. "Republic" is a form of government, democracy is a source of power. The two are not in conflict.
In fact, being a republic requires at least partial democracy (popular participation/representation), otherwise: no republic.
Post by: Nintex on May 18, 2022, 01:26:56 PM
https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/1526953862271184897 (https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/1526953862271184897)
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 18, 2022, 01:27:59 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 18, 2022, 01:31:06 PM
Can someone break these down, Ben's shit is 2 deep 4 me :derpYou gotta read up on the lore
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTDCDzrXEAEU4ox?format=jpg)
Post by: Nintex on May 18, 2022, 03:29:05 PM
Can't believe these hatin' Democrats and their dirty tricks smh
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Post by: Occam on May 18, 2022, 04:53:14 PM
Post by: Occam on May 18, 2022, 05:06:18 PM
Such kindness.
Post by: Occam on May 18, 2022, 05:19:15 PM
Much love.
https://twitter.com/bennydiego/status/1527006882300592128
Post by: Nintex on May 18, 2022, 06:10:48 PM
:american
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This will not cause hoarding and panic buying
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Post by: VomKriege on May 18, 2022, 06:34:32 PM
Can someone break these down, Ben's shit is 2 deep 4 me :derp
Biden is not the real president but also will start WW3 by himself.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 18, 2022, 07:17:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTD-BUuWIAE4kE8?format=jpg&name=medium)
Much love.
https://twitter.com/bennydiego/status/1527006882300592128
Muskrat is a nazi? :cornette
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 18, 2022, 07:18:50 PM
Dang, what deep ass subtext :lawdCan someone break these down, Ben's shit is 2 deep 4 me :derp
Biden is not the real president but also will start WW3 by himself.
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 18, 2022, 09:26:25 PM
:whoo :dead
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 18, 2022, 09:40:50 PM
:dead
That has to be a deep fake, it's just too good.
Post by: Polident Hive on May 18, 2022, 11:45:59 PM
Some people in their 20s, kids during his administration, see Bush as a funny goofball :-\
Post by: Potato on May 18, 2022, 11:56:41 PM
Unreal. Horrible yet the comedic timing of muttering “…Iraq, too… 75” is a solid recoveryDid he not say Semper Fi?
Post by: Transhuman on May 19, 2022, 12:22:12 AM
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526997132858822658 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526997132858822658)
Can't believe these hatin' Democrats and their dirty tricks smhspoiler (click to show/hide)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTDVKebWUAQoc4c?format=jpg)[close]
I guess courting controversy is the easiest way to get publicity these days. Knew I was right to dislike this little edgelord.
Post by: Occam on May 19, 2022, 01:04:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2Jg-hczEHE
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2022, 10:35:48 AM
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2022, 12:47:39 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTH9eltUAAAo_mx?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTIBA_9WUAIZXIR?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: Nintex on May 19, 2022, 01:07:25 PM
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1527297765599981574 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1527297765599981574)https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526997132858822658 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526997132858822658)
Can't believe these hatin' Democrats and their dirty tricks smhspoiler (click to show/hide)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTDVKebWUAQoc4c?format=jpg)[close]
I guess courting controversy is the easiest way to get publicity these days. Knew I was right to dislike this little edgelord.
Post by: Occam on May 19, 2022, 01:27:39 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2022, 03:21:07 PM
Quote from: https://www.slowboring.com/p/words-arent-magic
I was thinking of this when I was reading Mary Harris’ interview with Anat Shenker-Osorio in Slate, headlined “Why Abortion Activists Need to Stop Using the Word Choice.”:social
I don’t have extremely strong convictions about what word you should use for the political faction that believes abortion should remain legal. But I always thought the basic logic of “pro-choice” was pretty clear: you want people who believe that abortion is wrong as a matter of religious conviction to still vote for candidates who believe that abortion should be legal. That’s important. A lot of people have views that incorporate both the metaphysics of fetal personhood and also support for a woman’s right to choose, and Democrats are counting on the votes of many religiously observant Black and Hispanic voters.
My big complaint with Shenker-Osorio’s take isn’t that her ideas about language and framing are necessarily wrong — I’m open to the idea that there’s a better option than “choice” — it’s the way she evades talking about policy.
As her big positive case study in favor of her ideas, she cites the successful campaign to legalize abortion in Ireland. That is absolutely something that we should study and learn lessons from. But the necessary starting point for learning lessons from Ireland’s success is understanding what they succeeded in achieving.
Under the terms of the Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy Act of 2018, abortion is legal in the Republic of Ireland under the following conditions:QuoteWhen the pregnancy is less than 12-weeks old.That is a big change from the historical abortion policy situation in Ireland, and it is very much at odds with the policy goals of the pro-life movement in the United States of America. But it is also a much more moderate policy than the one advocated for by the pro-choice movement in the United States of America.
When two doctors certify in good faith that the fetus is likely to die either before or within 28 days of birth.
When two doctors certify that continuing the pregnancy poses a serious risk to the life or health of the mother.
When one doctor certifies that there is an emergency threat to the life or health of the mother requiring immediate action.
...
Democrats thus far have not taken up my advice, largely I think because pro-choice groups have made it clear they are not yet prepared to certify this stance as supportive of abortion rights.
Instead, the party and the movement are having this conversation about framing, language, and slogans. On one level it’s fine to talk about framing, language, and slogans because those things matter. But the semantic content of what you are saying matters more. I think it is fine and appropriate to say that political slogans developed in Ireland over the past five to 15 years may be more relevant than slogans developed in the United States 50-60 years ago. But you can’t just sweep under the rug the fact that Irish choice activists won their battle by advocating for a more popular, more moderate policy.
...
Marcela Mulholland and McKenzie Wilson of Data for Progress have a new podcast out where they reference specific messaging testing experiments on abortion to see which ones do best.
It’s a really good discussion because they hone in on a point that I think tends to be neglected in this discussion — the best-testing messages tended to be ones they did not personally like. After all, these are two young, secular, college-educated women living in a big city and working professionally in progressive politics. If the whole electorate was made up of young female college graduates, then you could win on abortion with any message. But the point of developing a message is to try to come up with language that seems persuasive to people who aren’t progressive political professionals. In the case of the tests they did, that was generally messages that activated libertarian and individualistic ideas. Young leftists are not big on individualism. But as they say, this works precisely because it’s a political idea that appeals to people who aren’t leftists.
In the Slate article, Shenker-Osorio complains about trying to appeal to right-of-center individualists:QuoteHarris: In the U.S., we talk about abortion as an individual right.
Shenker-Osorio: That’s right.
Harris: It’s almost by definition separate from the community.
Shenker-Osorio: Separate from the community, separate from relationships. And it has historically been argued in a libertarian framework. U.S. out of my uterus. Get your laws off my body. My child, my choice. And what happens with that “individual choice” language is, in policy terms, we get the Hyde Amendment.
I think this is backward.
At a time when abortion rights are under very clear and direct assault, you can’t optimize your messaging choices to try to advance Hyde Amendment repeal — a cause that’s unpopular and nowhere close to winning the needed votes in the Senate.
If the Supreme Court tosses Roe v. Wade, which seems very likely, many Republicans are going to push to enact draconian anti-abortion laws. Those laws will in many cases be unpopular and risk backlash. But to generate effective backlash, abortion rights activists need to counter-mobilize with a more popular position — the way they did in Ireland — not try to come up with a message that is optimized to try to defend an unpopular position. Compared to other western countries, the United States is more religious, which makes abortion rights harder to defend. But the United States is also more individualistic, which gives abortion rights a fighting chance. The most effective messages key into that, but effective messengers will also acknowledge that words aren’t magic and can’t substitute for aligning your views with things the public agrees with.
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2022, 05:52:52 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTJLiseUUAAgAF_?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 19, 2022, 06:00:28 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 19, 2022, 07:06:34 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2022, 07:28:45 PM
Post by: Occam on May 20, 2022, 01:16:15 AM
The legislation prohibits abortion from the moment of fertilization
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/us/oklahoma-ban-abortions.html
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Asked on “Fox News Sunday” how he would help women who carried out their pregnancies despite financial or other challenges that would make it difficult to raise a child, Mr. Stitt blamed the “socialist Democrat left” for attempting to abort children who would be born into poverty.
“We believe that God has a special plan for every single life and every single child,” he said, “and we want everybody to have the same opportunities in Oklahoma, and aborting a child is not the right answer.”
All going according to the handmaid-plan.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 20, 2022, 03:46:13 AM
Post by: Occam on May 20, 2022, 05:02:00 AM
It isn't mentioned. And life starts when you begin to breathe (=at birth). If for instance an act of violence causes another man's wife to miscarry, this is treated as property damage, not murder (to be compensated by paying money). (Old Testament).
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2022, 12:30:41 PM
:teehee :teehee :teehee :teehee
edit: Oh, I see, this man is an idiot:
https://twitter.com/BJMendelson/status/1526673363674054659
Post by: VomKriege on May 20, 2022, 06:25:14 PM
https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1527771125572313091
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2022, 12:31:58 AM
Free speech winsAt the price of national security:
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1527692475384713218
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1527700172775608320
Post by: Potato on May 21, 2022, 01:28:37 AM
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2022, 02:31:17 AM
Post by: Nintex on May 21, 2022, 04:55:31 AM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1527622784247025664 (https://twitter.com/AP/status/1527622784247025664)
Oh it can get much worse
Post by: VomKriege on May 21, 2022, 09:49:41 AM
https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1527840157390585856
Post by: Tasty on May 21, 2022, 10:23:58 AM
Unreal. Horrible yet the comedic timing of muttering “…Iraq, too… 75” is a solid recovery.
Some people in their 20s, kids during his administration, see Bush as a funny goofball :-\
A lot of people saw him as the useful idiot back then.
https://youtu.be/mC-m1ptBzuI
Post by: VomKriege on May 21, 2022, 02:00:49 PM
https://twitter.com/GeraldoRivera/status/1528033646615093250
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1527726686808199168
Post by: Nintex on May 21, 2022, 02:25:22 PM
Now a twice impeached President will be reelected unless some kind of miracle happens.
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 21, 2022, 08:31:21 PM
Post by: Occam on May 21, 2022, 09:22:26 PM
And I like this quote by Carlin someone brought up:
“Pride should be reserved for something you achieve or obtain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth.” -George Carlin
Post by: Occam on May 21, 2022, 09:37:10 PM
Post by: Potato on May 22, 2022, 12:06:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMBzfUj5zsgTurning tide?
#nintexwasright
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2022, 12:38:45 AM
Turning tide?https://twitter.com/JShahryar/status/1528021255026200576
#nintexwasright
https://twitter.com/GBBranstetter/status/1528069377555369985
https://twitter.com/ScottyWilsonSr/status/1527891424657567744
https://twitter.com/THICCUSMAXIMUS/status/1527891773103677440
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https://twitter.com/LisaGrande13/status/1527889785758437376
https://twitter.com/pabnbab/status/1527906979808587776
https://twitter.com/PatrickJTroska/status/1527901521421148163
https://twitter.com/jfclifford/status/1527891805076738049
https://twitter.com/pabnbab/status/1527906979808587776
https://twitter.com/PatrickJTroska/status/1527901521421148163
https://twitter.com/jfclifford/status/1527891805076738049
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Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2022, 03:08:14 AM
Quote from: https://nypost.com/2022/05/21/eric-adams-eyeing-white-house-run-in-2024-sources/
Mayor Adams may be eyeing a White House run if President Biden doesn’t seek a second term, confidantes and City Hall insiders told The Post.
“Eric has told me repeatedly that he thinks that he has a platform to run for national office, for president in 2024. He has said that repeatedly. He thinks New York is a national platform. He thinks the national party has gotten too far to the left and he thinks he has a platform to win,” a person close to the mayor said.
A Brooklyn Democratic elected official who was also frequently in talks with the mayor said Adams was “considering a White House run in 2024 if Biden doesn’t seek re-election,” adding that Adams’ advisor Ingrid Lewis-Martin was “running point” on the issue.
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Even a GOP lawmaker broached the topic with Adams.:american
“I said you really have to consider that you are young enough where you will have a life after the mayoralty and if you solve the crime problem there would be a lot of interest in a big city Democrat, African American with progressive values but who mediated the crime problem in a major city,” he said.
Quote from: https://www.wric.com/news/virginia-news/nearly-3500-virginians-regain-voting-rights/
RICHMOND, Va. (WRIC) — Nearly 3,500 Virginians have had their civil rights restored by Gov. Glenn Youngkin since he took office in January, allowing them to vote, run for public office or serve on a jury.:american
In Virginia, those who are convicted of a felony automatically lose these rights. Under the current system, the governor is the only way someone with a felony on their record could regain these rights.
According to the governor’s office, the civil rights of 3,496 people convicted of felonies have been restored since Youngkin was sworn in.
Post by: Nintex on May 22, 2022, 06:06:43 AM
You get the most flak when you are right on target.Turning tide?https://twitter.com/JShahryar/status/1528021255026200576
#nintexwasright
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 22, 2022, 06:32:39 AM
Post by: Occam on May 22, 2022, 06:42:04 AM
Obviously, in a more "conservative" state (using the term loosely here, because modern Republicans aren't conservative, they are coo coo bananas), there is more fear of reprisal for deviation.
Post by: james on May 22, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
Post by: Occam on May 22, 2022, 11:20:41 AM
And when you are on the wrong target, as you should know by now.You get the most flak when you are right on target.Turning tide?https://twitter.com/JShahryar/status/1528021255026200576
#nintexwasright
Post by: HaughtyFrank on May 22, 2022, 08:04:19 PM
Hey USA, you guys doing okay?
Post by: Occam on May 23, 2022, 02:52:52 AM
Hey USA, you guys doing okay?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/far-right-idaho_n_628277e2e4b0c84db7282bd6
Post by: Uncle on May 23, 2022, 08:55:37 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/VgJz5.png)
Post by: benjipwns on May 23, 2022, 08:59:12 AM
Hey USA, you guys doing okay?Despite what the barely polling PhD says, the Constitution does not mandate the type of death penalty nor does it even mandate the death penalty. Her not having written the Constitution does seem to be accurate though.
Traditionally, the punishment for treason was hanging. I'm not sure why someone would think the Constitution mandates firing squad which probably wasn't practiced until later.
Post by: benjipwns on May 23, 2022, 09:48:06 AM
https://twitter.com/meckdevil/status/1527153096349974528
https://twitter.com/meckdevil/status/1528268996654419969
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/SocialActuality/status/1528416632707567616
https://twitter.com/meckdevil/status/1528593289531691009
https://twitter.com/meckdevil/status/1528614204747370496
https://twitter.com/meckdevil/status/1528600594721624064
https://twitter.com/meckdevil/status/1528604608787976193
https://twitter.com/meckdevil/status/1528607858568245249
https://twitter.com/meckdevil/status/1528593289531691009
https://twitter.com/meckdevil/status/1528614204747370496
https://twitter.com/meckdevil/status/1528600594721624064
https://twitter.com/meckdevil/status/1528604608787976193
https://twitter.com/meckdevil/status/1528607858568245249
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https://twitter.com/meckdevil/status/1528263378669404161
Post by: Occam on May 23, 2022, 01:00:53 PM
Edit: typos
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2022, 01:07:15 PM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1528443821293461505I just can't with the MyPillow ads :dead
Hey USA, you guys doing okay?
Jesus guns babies :gun :zzz
Post by: Uncle on May 23, 2022, 01:11:20 PM
I actually looked up the 1919 SC commentary from which this cowded theatre thing originated and yeah, it makes no sense so people (and even lawyers) keep quoting this as an example of the limits of free speech in the USA. In reality, there are almost no limits imposed today, and you can absolutely shout fire in a crowded theatre.
it comes down to "can you attempt to change peoples' minds, especially in a way that could cause fear/uncertainty/doubt, when what you're saying is either not true or heavily disputed by other groups or authorities"
can you yell fire when there's no fire, and possibly get people hurt as they run in panic?
can you distribute anti-war pamphlets, when the goverment considers the war to be just, and the soldiers need support that you're inadvertently trying to deny them?
can you yell about fire and brimstone and whip people into a panic about their potential afterlife, when authoritative sources say god is not real and no one should be religious?
should it be legal to convince everyone that some aspect of society has major issues and demands immediate action, potentially causing riots, injuries and deaths, when studies demonstrate that the issue is overblown?
Post by: benjipwns on May 23, 2022, 01:24:17 PM
I actually looked up the 1919 SC commentary from which this cowded theatre thing originated and yeah, it makes no sense so people (and even lawyers) keep quoting this as an example of the limits of free speech in the USA. In reality, there are almost no limits imposed today, and you can absolutely shout fire in a crowded theatre.I appreciate that you bothered to look into it.
People have been trying to stop the trope for some time but it seems resistant and feels like it's increasing as people fret about online speech:
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/
https://www.popehat.com/2012/09/19/three-generations-of-a-hackneyed-apologia-for-censorship-are-enough/
https://www.popehat.com/2015/05/19/how-to-spot-and-critique-censorship-tropes-in-the-medias-coverage-of-free-speech-controversies/
https://www.techdirt.com/2021/10/28/why-falsely-claiming-illegal-to-shout-fire-crowded-theater-distorts-any-conversation-about-online-speech/
Christopher Hitchens used to do a bit where he'd yell "FIRE! FIRE!" before his speeches in crowded theaters. And now he's dead, so the danger is real.
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2022, 01:37:19 PM
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1528421281380589568 (https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1528421281380589568)
Post by: benjipwns on May 23, 2022, 01:44:53 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 23, 2022, 01:59:21 PM
Quote from: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/21/nyregion/antonio-delgado-afro-latino.html
Asked about his Afro-Latino heritage at the news conference where he was introduced as Ms. Hochul’s choice for lieutenant governor, Mr. Delgado gave a winding answer. He said people had surmised that he was Afro-Latino because of his name, or perhaps because he briefly lived in Puerto Rico, where he played semipro basketball. He then seemed to suggest that his Latino heritage stemmed from his family’s ties to Cape Verde, a small island nation off the west coast of Africa that was once a Portuguese colony.
The answer mystified some of his supporters, and created an opening for his opponents to scrutinize his claims of being Latino.
Luis A. Miranda Jr., a founding partner of the MirRam Group, a political consulting firm, posted celebratory comments on Twitter about Mr. Delgado’s appointment when it was announced. But after hearing his remarks at the news conference, Mr. Miranda said he was “puzzled by his explanation on ethnicity.”
...
Mr. Delgado, in an interview with The New York Times, described the complexity of how he views his ethnicity. He said his mother grew up at a time when she felt safe identifying only as Black or white, but eventually embraced the Mexican, Colombian and Venezuelan ancestry of her father, whom she did not know.
“She became someone who identifies as a proud Black woman with Latino roots,” Mr. Delgado said in the interview. “And as I’ve tried to orient myself and my sense of identity through her, that is the entry point.”
Asked how he identified himself, Mr. Delgado said: “I am a Black American man with Cape Verdean roots and Latino roots. When it pertains to my Latino roots, that comes from my mom’s side, whose own story around her identity is multifaceted and complex.”
...
“Gov. Hochul is being extremely opportunistic and simplistic,” said Ms. Archila, who immigrated to the United States from Colombia and whose running mate is Jumaane Williams, New York City’s public advocate. “I think he should say more than, I have an ancestor who once was born in Colombia.”
Ms. Reyna, whose running mate is Representative Thomas R. Suozzi, said at a recent campaign event that a “last name does not make you Latino.” The first statewide Latino official should be “authentic,” have “lived experience” and a record of helping Latino communities, she told Encuentro New York, a Latino advocacy group.
“She tells us that her lieutenant governor is a member of the Latino community,” Ms. Reyna, who is Dominican, said of the governor. “This is not about identity politics. This is about being truthful.”
Ms. Hochul and her campaign have said little about the questions surrounding Mr. Delgado’s ethnicity. They referred to him as Afro-Latino in the third line of a news release announcing his appointment; an email sent out the next day about a fund-raiser did not mention his ethnicity.
“He identifies as Afro-Latino,” Jerrel Harvey, a spokesman for Ms. Hochul’s campaign, said.
...
Camille Rivera, a Democratic political strategist who identifies as Afro-Latina, said Ms. Hochul had missed an opportunity to energize an important voting bloc that could help decide the general election. Among the issues Latino leaders say they want state government to address are affordable housing, child care and inequalities in health care.
“You have no statewide Latino representation, right?” Ms. Rivera said. “Here was an opportunity to actually lift up Latinos in a real way.”
There has been little scrutiny of Mr. Delgado’s Latino heritage. Several news articles over the years have identified him incorrectly as Puerto Rican. Some articles from 2018, when he defeated John J. Faso, the Republican incumbent, to claim the House seat representing the Hudson Valley and Catskills regions, referred to him as Black.
Asked whether he had ever corrected the record about being Puerto Rican before the news conference where he was introduced as lieutenant governor, Mr. Delgado said in a statement that he was “raised as a blend of heritages,” including “Latino roots.”
“That’s the background I grew up with and how I identify,” he said in the statement. “My mom’s maiden name is Gomez and she grew up identifying as having Latina roots.”
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“Experience informs what you see, how you perceive things, how you bring in issues that might go unseen or unrecognized,” Professor Dinzey-Flores said. Choosing someone from an Afro-Latino background so that constituency is represented in government, she added, should be about “authentically” capturing that experience and not “checking a box.”
Melissa Mark-Viverito, a former New York City Council speaker who was born and raised in Puerto Rico, concurred, saying that Mr. Delgado’s claim of Latino heritage “raises the question and the concern of people loosely taking on certain identities and not being completely honest.”
“That concerns me because as someone who fully embraces the importance of representation, we have two qualified Latinas running and a chance to make history,” Ms. Mark-Viverito said, referring to Ms. Reyna and Ms. Archila. “Yet it feels like we are being duped. It’s all very messy.”
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Days after Ms. Hochul named him as Mr. Benjamin’s successor, Mr. Delgado gave a 15-minute speech at the Harlem headquarters of the Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network. Mr. Sharpton said he was surprised that Mr. Delgado did not address the confusion about his Afro-Latino identity.
“I think it’s something he can’t ignore,” Mr. Sharpton said in an interview after Mr. Delgado spoke that day.
Instead, Mr. Delgado reminisced about growing up in a Black Baptist church and drew hearty amens and nods of approval from the mostly Black crowd. He talked about why he pursued a career as a rapper after graduating from Harvard Law School, an issue opponents tried to use against him when he first ran for Congress.
“I know the power of the culture,” Mr. Delgado said. “I am the culture.”
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2022, 02:03:10 PM
:dead
Post by: Potato on May 23, 2022, 03:22:05 PM
Meanwhile, in New York:It's almost like using race as a qualification for office is a bad thing....Quote from: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/21/nyregion/antonio-delgado-afro-latino.htmlAsked about his Afro-Latino heritage at the news conference where he was introduced as Ms. Hochul’s choice for lieutenant governor, Mr. Delgado gave a winding answer. He said people had surmised that he was Afro-Latino because of his name, or perhaps because he briefly lived in Puerto Rico, where he played semipro basketball. He then seemed to suggest that his Latino heritage stemmed from his family’s ties to Cape Verde, a small island nation off the west coast of Africa that was once a Portuguese colony.
The answer mystified some of his supporters, and created an opening for his opponents to scrutinize his claims of being Latino.
Luis A. Miranda Jr., a founding partner of the MirRam Group, a political consulting firm, posted celebratory comments on Twitter about Mr. Delgado’s appointment when it was announced. But after hearing his remarks at the news conference, Mr. Miranda said he was “puzzled by his explanation on ethnicity.”
...
Mr. Delgado, in an interview with The New York Times, described the complexity of how he views his ethnicity. He said his mother grew up at a time when she felt safe identifying only as Black or white, but eventually embraced the Mexican, Colombian and Venezuelan ancestry of her father, whom she did not know.
“She became someone who identifies as a proud Black woman with Latino roots,” Mr. Delgado said in the interview. “And as I’ve tried to orient myself and my sense of identity through her, that is the entry point.”
Asked how he identified himself, Mr. Delgado said: “I am a Black American man with Cape Verdean roots and Latino roots. When it pertains to my Latino roots, that comes from my mom’s side, whose own story around her identity is multifaceted and complex.”
...
“Gov. Hochul is being extremely opportunistic and simplistic,” said Ms. Archila, who immigrated to the United States from Colombia and whose running mate is Jumaane Williams, New York City’s public advocate. “I think he should say more than, I have an ancestor who once was born in Colombia.”
Ms. Reyna, whose running mate is Representative Thomas R. Suozzi, said at a recent campaign event that a “last name does not make you Latino.” The first statewide Latino official should be “authentic,” have “lived experience” and a record of helping Latino communities, she told Encuentro New York, a Latino advocacy group.
“She tells us that her lieutenant governor is a member of the Latino community,” Ms. Reyna, who is Dominican, said of the governor. “This is not about identity politics. This is about being truthful.”
Ms. Hochul and her campaign have said little about the questions surrounding Mr. Delgado’s ethnicity. They referred to him as Afro-Latino in the third line of a news release announcing his appointment; an email sent out the next day about a fund-raiser did not mention his ethnicity.
“He identifies as Afro-Latino,” Jerrel Harvey, a spokesman for Ms. Hochul’s campaign, said.
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Camille Rivera, a Democratic political strategist who identifies as Afro-Latina, said Ms. Hochul had missed an opportunity to energize an important voting bloc that could help decide the general election. Among the issues Latino leaders say they want state government to address are affordable housing, child care and inequalities in health care.
“You have no statewide Latino representation, right?” Ms. Rivera said. “Here was an opportunity to actually lift up Latinos in a real way.”
There has been little scrutiny of Mr. Delgado’s Latino heritage. Several news articles over the years have identified him incorrectly as Puerto Rican. Some articles from 2018, when he defeated John J. Faso, the Republican incumbent, to claim the House seat representing the Hudson Valley and Catskills regions, referred to him as Black.
Asked whether he had ever corrected the record about being Puerto Rican before the news conference where he was introduced as lieutenant governor, Mr. Delgado said in a statement that he was “raised as a blend of heritages,” including “Latino roots.”
“That’s the background I grew up with and how I identify,” he said in the statement. “My mom’s maiden name is Gomez and she grew up identifying as having Latina roots.”
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“Experience informs what you see, how you perceive things, how you bring in issues that might go unseen or unrecognized,” Professor Dinzey-Flores said. Choosing someone from an Afro-Latino background so that constituency is represented in government, she added, should be about “authentically” capturing that experience and not “checking a box.”
Melissa Mark-Viverito, a former New York City Council speaker who was born and raised in Puerto Rico, concurred, saying that Mr. Delgado’s claim of Latino heritage “raises the question and the concern of people loosely taking on certain identities and not being completely honest.”
“That concerns me because as someone who fully embraces the importance of representation, we have two qualified Latinas running and a chance to make history,” Ms. Mark-Viverito said, referring to Ms. Reyna and Ms. Archila. “Yet it feels like we are being duped. It’s all very messy.”
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Days after Ms. Hochul named him as Mr. Benjamin’s successor, Mr. Delgado gave a 15-minute speech at the Harlem headquarters of the Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network. Mr. Sharpton said he was surprised that Mr. Delgado did not address the confusion about his Afro-Latino identity.
“I think it’s something he can’t ignore,” Mr. Sharpton said in an interview after Mr. Delgado spoke that day.
Instead, Mr. Delgado reminisced about growing up in a Black Baptist church and drew hearty amens and nods of approval from the mostly Black crowd. He talked about why he pursued a career as a rapper after graduating from Harvard Law School, an issue opponents tried to use against him when he first ran for Congress.
“I know the power of the culture,” Mr. Delgado said. “I am the culture.”
Post by: Transhuman on May 23, 2022, 03:30:23 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 23, 2022, 03:50:41 PM
Post by: Uncle on May 23, 2022, 04:57:05 PM
Someone I spoke to this week told me that since Elon now has American citizenship he's technically an African-American. :-\
he is
this is why it's important for all rigorous media institutions to use capital-B Black in all official communications :wag
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2022, 05:54:15 PM
:confused
Post by: james on May 23, 2022, 05:58:30 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/KatelynTweeter
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2022, 06:57:50 PM
I honestly can't think of a reason why that is.
https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/1528874304238133248 (https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/1528874304238133248)
CNN is officially back on the Trump train
Post by: BIONIC on May 23, 2022, 07:15:35 PM
Would you bang?
https://mobile.twitter.com/KatelynTweeter
Absolutely
spoiler (click to show/hide)
as soon as I get a vasectomy :shh
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Post by: Potato on May 23, 2022, 08:37:49 PM
Would you bang?
https://mobile.twitter.com/KatelynTweeter (https://mobile.twitter.com/KatelynTweeter)
Theoretically? Yes
However...
https://mobile.twitter.com/KatelynTweeter/status/1162666312381935616 (https://mobile.twitter.com/KatelynTweeter/status/1162666312381935616)
She sounds like your future stalker
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2022, 02:35:22 PM
https://twitter.com/NickFondacaro/status/1529158596579278848 (https://twitter.com/NickFondacaro/status/1529158596579278848)
The Trump/Pence civil war heats up.
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2022, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2022/05/james-craig-perry-johnson-fight-possible-ejection-from-governors-race.html
Two of the Republican front-runners for Michigan governor could be disqualified because of fraud, but both plan to fight to be on the ballot.oops
James Craig and Perry Johnson are two of the five GOP governor candidates who don’t have enough valid signatures to get on the Aug. 2 primary ballot, according to a review from the Michigan Bureau of Elections.
But Johnson’s campaign believes he has enough valid signatures. Craig said he will keep fighting, too.
The Bureau of Elections does not have the final say on who makes the ballot. The Board of State Canvassers decides that on Thursday, May 26.
Here’s why the state says Craig and Johnson do not have enough signatures, and why Johnson’s team says the state process was faulty.
5 candidates short on valid signatures
Craig, Johnson, Michael Brown, Donna Brandenburg and Michael Markey Jr. are all short of the 15,000-signature requirement because they had too many signatures invalided due to fraud – as the state believes the names were forged by circulators.
In its review of the signatures, the bureau uncovered an “unprecedented amount” of fraudulent signatures. It names 36 petition circulators in particular who allegedly forged names.
These 36 people collected a combined 68,000 signatures across petitions for 10 candidates in varying races. There were a flurry of errors that tipped off investigators: similar handwriting for multiple signees, names from people who died years ago, incorrect addresses, etc.
There could be criminal consequences for the circulators. State officials plan to refer the apparent fraud to law enforcement.
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2022, 05:39:08 PM
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There were a flurry of errors that tipped off investigators:John, Mike, Barron, Earl and myself sign it with the sharpie fellas :trumps
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2022, 10:50:26 PM
:dead :dead :dead :dead
Post by: james on May 24, 2022, 10:55:58 PM
https://twitter.com/NJMisesCaucus/status/1529273221698166786
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2022, 11:07:09 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 25, 2022, 12:55:06 AM
Post by: james on May 25, 2022, 12:51:58 PM
https://twitter.com/theericklouis/status/1529400971377377281
https://twitter.com/theericklouis/status/1529442712981757952
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2022, 12:53:22 PM
Post by: james on May 25, 2022, 12:58:03 PM
What's the contradiction supposed to be?
Benjamin, he is celebrating an 18 year old that murdered people with a rifle.
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2022, 01:05:35 PM
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 25, 2022, 01:52:57 PM
What's the contradiction supposed to be?
Benjamin, he is celebrating an 18 year old that murdered people with a rifle.
You mean the 17 year old that defended himself? (Assuming you're talking about Rittenhouse.)
Post by: Transhuman on May 25, 2022, 01:55:12 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2022, 02:21:03 PM
Failed, he should have tried to stand on something.
Post by: Potato on May 25, 2022, 03:06:25 PM
Life comes at you fast.The Rittenhouse situation has about as much in common as those tweets and common decency. What's fucking cunt.
https://twitter.com/theericklouis/status/1529400971377377281
https://twitter.com/theericklouis/status/1529442712981757952
Post by: Bebpo on May 25, 2022, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: james on May 25, 2022, 04:00:35 PM
Eh, no matter what a piece of shit guy he may be, his daughter didn't deserve to die because of it. Shit talking him when his kid just died seems bad taste.
The daughter is happily at home with Jesus, according to the right, so it's fair game to shit on her garbage dad and hope he lives the rest of his life in misery
Post by: Transhuman on May 25, 2022, 04:27:22 PM
Eh, no matter what a piece of shit guy he may be, his daughter didn't deserve to die because of it. Shit talking him when his kid just died seems bad taste.
Well to be fair to james, we don't know this little girl's stance on the second amendment so it's entirely possible she "deserved to die", so to speak.
Post by: Occam on May 25, 2022, 04:35:40 PM
#gunsforchildren
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2022, 04:35:56 PM
The daughter is happily at home with Jesus, according to the right, so it's fair game to shit on her garbage dad and hope he lives the rest of his life in miseryYou kinda sound angrier at a dad who lost his daughter for earlier posting stuff on Facebook you dislike than the criminal who murdered her and multiple others. I'm starting to see a pattern in your cruelty.
Post by: Occam on May 25, 2022, 04:38:49 PM
#gunsfortheunborn
Post by: Transhuman on May 25, 2022, 04:44:54 PM
The daughter is happily at home with Jesus, according to the right, so it's fair game to shit on her garbage dad and hope he lives the rest of his life in miseryYou kinda sound angrier at a dad who lost his daughter for earlier posting stuff on Facebook you dislike than the criminal who murdered her and multiple others. I'm starting to see a pattern in your cruelty.
The shooter was out of his mind so he has less liability but for all we know that dad was sane when he made those disgusting, disgusting posts.
Post by: james on May 25, 2022, 05:17:51 PM
The daughter is happily at home with Jesus, according to the right, so it's fair game to shit on her garbage dad and hope he lives the rest of his life in miseryYou kinda sound angrier at a dad who lost his daughter for earlier posting stuff on Facebook you dislike than the criminal who murdered her and multiple others. I'm starting to see a pattern in your cruelty.
You kinda sound like a troll who doesn't legitimately care that a dad lost his daughter. I'm starting to see a pattern in your cruelty.
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2022, 05:37:03 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 25, 2022, 05:57:34 PM
400 million guns, where would you even begin to disarm.
Post by: Transhuman on May 25, 2022, 06:15:07 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 25, 2022, 06:57:23 PM
:wut
Even Trump managed this
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTmvpD6WAAAfBer?format=jpg)
And he's speaking at the NRA Convention :doge
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2022, 06:59:43 PM
Post by: BIONIC on May 25, 2022, 08:29:24 PM
Post by: Uncle on May 25, 2022, 08:32:11 PM
https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1529555040414867457 (https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1529555040414867457)
:wut
man I'm shocked at the replies, I thought there would be tons of people agreeing with him, there is no chill
https://twitter.com/W_Nelson/status/1529592007546396672
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2022, 08:57:41 PM
“massacre”He's waiting for the forensic audit.
Post by: chronovore on May 25, 2022, 09:03:26 PM
Life comes at you fast.The Rittenhouse situation has about as much in common as those tweets and common decency. What's fucking cunt.
https://twitter.com/theericklouis/status/1529400971377377281
https://twitter.com/theericklouis/status/1529442712981757952
Am I missing something?
The father is pro gun, and with a mouthy shirt like that appears to be one of the "own the libs" crowd. The guy thinks it should be okay to bring guns anywhere. So the fuckheads who wear their AR-15s to pick up a new Hisense 55" TV at Walmart have the right to walk around intimidating everyone. Father thinks it's a hoot.
The father advocated for Rittenhouse, a fearful and angry young man who crossed state borders to attend an event where he hoped things would escalate to the point where he'd be able to use his easily yet illegally attained weapon. He did. People died. The father was down with that. He thought that was a hoot, too.
The father's child, rest her soul, was killed by a fearful and angry young man who used his easily and legally obtained weapons to kill 19 kids (most recent count) and a teacher, and to shoot his grandmother.
I'm willing to bet the father, like so many before him, changes his tune now that he's been directly affected by gun violence.
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2022, 11:18:36 PM
man I'm shocked at the replies, I thought there would be tons of people agreeing with him, there is no chillGetting roasted by some traitor scum:
https://twitter.com/logicattorney/status/1529446511024537600
https://twitter.com/ChrisWillcoxSTL/status/1529322869515239424
:whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/GentileReminder/status/1529449832431116294
https://twitter.com/giftofthebadguy/status/1529459015725502464
https://twitter.com/alex_parsi22/status/1529574157197115392
https://twitter.com/alex_parsi22/status/1529602546733572100
https://twitter.com/giftofthebadguy/status/1529459015725502464
https://twitter.com/alex_parsi22/status/1529574157197115392
https://twitter.com/alex_parsi22/status/1529602546733572100
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/phlezk/status/1529317184576671746
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 26, 2022, 04:56:47 AM
The father advocated for Rittenhouse, a fearful and angry young man who crossed state borders to attend an event where he hoped things would escalate to the point where he'd be able to use his easily yet illegally attained weapon. He did. People died. The father was down with that. He thought that was a hoot, too.
You obviously haven't watched any of that trial if you think this is how it went down. Next you're gonna talk about his three black victims even though the guys he defended himself from were white.
The gun wasn't illegally obtained. The gun never crossed borders.
The crossing borders thing you guys love to bring up doesn't make any sense either. His parents are divorced and his dad lives in that state. It's his childhood home.
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2022, 05:40:09 AM
Post by: james on May 26, 2022, 12:18:39 PM
The "crossing state lines" meme is also amusing because the city is right next to the border. It's not some epic trek that few dare to even survive but a common commute that tons of people including himself make every day.
As a libertarian, you should be well aware that "crossing state lines", even if the line is the subway between NJ and NY, or VA and MD, can get you locked up for many extra years when you diddle the children in the manner that libertarians do
Post by: jorma on May 26, 2022, 12:26:33 PM
The "crossing state lines" meme is also amusing because the city is right next to the border. It's not some epic trek that few dare to even survive but a common commute that tons of people including himself make every day.
As a libertarian, you should be well aware that "crossing state lines", even if the line is the subway between NJ and NY, or VA and MD, can get you locked up for many extra years when you diddle the children in the manner that libertarians do
which is obviously why some people were pressing that point to a ridiculous degree even when it held no significance in the actual case at hand...
Post by: Nintex on May 26, 2022, 12:32:37 PM
These ratings are yikes on the oof scale.
Post by: james on May 26, 2022, 02:29:45 PM
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A man who walked onto the campus of an Arlington elementary school Thursday morning was injured when a gun he was wearing was accidentally discharged, police say.
NBC 5 has learned a man was walking toward the front office at Duff Elementary when he went to adjust his pants and hit the trigger on a gun tucked into his waistband.
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/man-carries-gun-onto-arlington-elementary-campus-accidentally-shoots-self-in-the-foot/2978774/
Post by: Potato on May 26, 2022, 03:27:52 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 26, 2022, 06:19:59 PM
Seems kinda racist no?
Post by: chronovore on May 26, 2022, 08:03:48 PM
The father advocated for Rittenhouse, a fearful and angry young man who crossed state borders to attend an event where he hoped things would escalate to the point where he'd be able to use his easily yet illegally attained weapon. He did. People died. The father was down with that. He thought that was a hoot, too.
You obviously haven't watched any of that trial if you think this is how it went down. Next you're gonna talk about his three black victims even though the guys he defended himself from were white.
The gun wasn't illegally obtained. The gun never crossed borders.
The crossing borders thing you guys love to bring up doesn't make any sense either. His parents are divorced and his dad lives in that state. It's his childhood home.
Mea culpa.
In my defense, the last I'd heard, there was a gun charge:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/explainer-judge-drop-rittenhouse-gun-charge-81285031
I also recall that the gun didn't cross state lines, and that an adult handed it to him within the state, which I understood to be illegal which, again, was based on a gun regarding minors law that turned out to be toothless.
The victims being white, I knew about, but go ahead and keep pretending you know how I think. That's a superb way to engender communication.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 27, 2022, 03:36:25 AM
Stop calling the guys that attacked him victims.
Post by: chronovore on May 27, 2022, 04:33:54 AM
But, yeah, go ahead and mimic my diction to mock me. And now accusing me of not thinking.
Anyway, enjoy your time in the plonk bin.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 27, 2022, 04:53:00 AM
Nothing happened up until the point they decided to jump him. He only shot the first guy when he was fleeing, tripped and was with his back on the ground and the guy tried to jump on top of him.
The second guy that got shot was trying to hit him in the back of the head with the axle of a skateboard as Kyle was fleeing.
The third guy that got shot and ended up losing his bicep was pointing a handgun at Kyle's head as he was on the ground.
Putting people on ignore cause you don't like hearing the truth, makes you the bitchmade runt.
Post by: Rufus on May 27, 2022, 09:10:29 AM
Cleaning graffiti and putting out fires is looking for trouble?Arming yourself with a rifle and rushing to a violent riot where armed groups were already clashing is looking for trouble, yes.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 27, 2022, 09:38:06 AM
Cleaning graffiti and putting out fires is looking for trouble?
Nothing happened up until the point they decided to jump him. He only shot the first guy when he was fleeing, tripped and was with his back on the ground and the guy tried to jump on top of him.
The second guy that got shot was trying to hit him in the back of the head with the axle of a skateboard as Kyle was fleeing.
The third guy that got shot and ended up losing his bicep was pointing a handgun at Kyle's head as he was on the ground.
Putting people on ignore cause you don't like hearing the truth, makes you the bitchmade runt.
I never really followed this case cause I dont care about white people. But do you have a link with events?
Post by: Rufus on May 27, 2022, 09:49:51 AM
I never really followed this case cause I dont care about white people. But do you have a link with events?https://www.nytimes.com/article/kyle-rittenhouse-shooting-timeline.html
In case of paywall: https://archive.ph/DrrCe
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2022, 10:07:22 AM
Arming himself turned out to be a good decision considering some peaceful protestors tried to kill him multiple times for doing good.Cleaning graffiti and putting out fires is looking for trouble?Arming yourself with a rifle and rushing to a violent riot where armed groups were already clashing is looking for trouble, yes.
Post by: Rufus on May 27, 2022, 10:14:47 AM
No need for sarcasm. The people he ended up shooting were looking for trouble, too.Arming himself turned out to be a good decision considering some peaceful protestors tried to kill him multiple times for doing good.Cleaning graffiti and putting out fires is looking for trouble?Arming yourself with a rifle and rushing to a violent riot where armed groups were already clashing is looking for trouble, yes.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 27, 2022, 10:18:19 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 27, 2022, 10:21:15 AM
I never really followed this case cause I dont care about white people. But do you have a link with events?https://www.nytimes.com/article/kyle-rittenhouse-shooting-timeline.html
In case of paywall: https://archive.ph/DrrCe
Thanks, although I meant after the trial and evidence and such.
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2022, 10:22:15 AM
You mean that bitchmade runt who went looking for trouble, found it, and whether or not it was legal required a whole heap of legal proceedings to determine?The only thing that "required a whole heap of legal proceedings" was a prosecutor under political pressure to overcharge and pursue a losing case to the end. The only feasible alternative theory is that he was trying to clear Rittenhouse's name.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 27, 2022, 10:24:13 AM
You mean that bitchmade runt who went looking for trouble, found it, and whether or not it was legal required a whole heap of legal proceedings to determine?The only thing that "required a whole heap of legal proceedings" was a prosecutor under political pressure to overcharge and pursue a losing case to the end. The only feasible alternative theory is that he was trying to clear Rittenhouse's name.
You've always been reliable, can I get a link from you about ritten house.
link :rage
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 27, 2022, 10:25:58 AM
Pictured: Kyle violently attacking building with assault styled Windex during the day of the shooting.
Post by: Rufus on May 27, 2022, 10:26:57 AM
The Wikipedia page looks comprehensive:I never really followed this case cause I dont care about white people. But do you have a link with events?https://www.nytimes.com/article/kyle-rittenhouse-shooting-timeline.html
In case of paywall: https://archive.ph/DrrCe
Thanks, although I meant after the trial and evidence and such.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest_shooting#Sequence_of_events
Post by: Rufus on May 27, 2022, 10:39:04 AM
When he was cleaning the school during the day he wasn't armed yet. Only when they asked them during the evening to help protect the car park did they arm up as it had turned violent again.Fair enough, but whether he (or anyone else) was asked to protect the place is unclear.
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest_shooting#Sequence_of_events
On August 24, Rittenhouse drove to Kenosha to stay with his friend Dominick Black.[52][41] The following day, August 25, Rittenhouse helped clean graffiti off a school.[53] Later, Rittenhouse and Black, both armed with rifles, arrived at Car Source.[54][55] Accounts differ as to whether Rittenhouse and Black's help was requested by Car Source. The dealership owner's sons denied that gunmen had been asked to defend the business,[56][57] but several witnesses testified that armed individuals had been directly sought out by the business to protect their property.[56]
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 27, 2022, 10:41:04 AM
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After Black and Kyle Rittenhouse spent some time viewing damaged property and cleaning graffiti in downtown Kenosha, they headed back to Black’s house, where Kyle Rittenhouse took the gun and they eventually went back downtown, where the protests were held.
"Let's clean up this place!"
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2022, 10:42:07 AM
You've always been reliable, can I get a link from you about ritten house.
link :rage
Thanks, although I meant after the trial and evidence and such.I literally don't know what it is you're asking for. :lol
After the trial he went to Trump's Southern White House, went on Tucker and Newsmax, etc. No idea what he's doing now, I saw he got banned from Origin for trying to use his actual name as his display name or something. I only really paid second hand attention to the trial, mostly because of the fits progressives were throwing that he wasn't just being summarily executed. Don't really care about him as a person as he sounds pretty lame.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 27, 2022, 10:43:58 AM
You've always been reliable, can I get a link from you about ritten house.
link :rageThanks, although I meant after the trial and evidence and such.I literally don't know what it is you're asking for. :lol
After the trial he went to Trump's Southern White House, went on Tucker and Newsmax, etc. No idea what he's doing now, I saw he got banned from Origin for trying to use his actual name as his display name or something. I only really paid second hand attention to the trial, mostly because of the fits progressives were throwing that he wasn't just being summarily executed. Don't really care about him as a person as he sounds pretty lame.
No sorry, I meant after trial looking back what actually happened. Don't care what that shitstain did after getting out of court. either way ignore my posts this morning.
Post by: Rufus on May 27, 2022, 10:51:32 AM
No sorry, I meant after trial looking back what actually happened. Don't care what that shitstain did after getting out of court. either way ignore my posts this morning.I replied with the wrong link above, but the page itself has some on the aftermatch as well, if that's what you're asking for...?
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 27, 2022, 10:54:11 AM
No sorry, I meant after trial looking back what actually happened. Don't care what that shitstain did after getting out of court. either way ignore my posts this morning.I replied with the wrong link above, but the page itself has some on the aftermatch as well, if that's what you're asking for...?
oh yea, I saw it. thanks.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 27, 2022, 10:56:33 AM
Guy seems like a bozo though :trumps
Post by: Nintex on May 27, 2022, 10:57:52 AM
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2022, 11:02:35 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTxUgCNXoAAfChY?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2022, 11:06:41 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTsIcdMUEAEJ7ZK?format=jpg&name=360x360)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTdE0l-XsAEMbdo?format=png&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTsIcdPUYAAarKA?format=jpg&name=small)
Pam Keith Esq. continues losing by proxy.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 27, 2022, 11:53:41 AM
Fair enough, but whether he (or anyone else) was asked to protect the place is unclear.
It'll remain unclear. What was clear was that the business owner was obviously lying on the stand. Which is most likely why they couldn't stick him on that charge either.
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Sam, who described himself as a property manager for Car Source, said under questioning from defense attorney Corey Chirafisi that he could not say how much property was lost in the arson and vandalism.
However, Chirafisi brought up a well-circulated news report that stated Sam had said the business had suffered $2.5 million in damages and the business’s insurer had rejected the claim.
“They don’t cover the riots. This is domestic terrorism, don’t cover it,” Sam was quoted as saying to WKOW last year. “I’m screwed. I’m bankrupt.”
On the stand, Sam said he could not confirm the report, that he did not know how much was lost and that the business was insured. Last year, Sam had also said he was a co-owner of Car Source, but on the stand said he was only an employee.
Chirafisi appeared increasingly frustrated as Sam failed to give direct answers to the defense after being more straightforward with the prosecution.
There's also a picture of his brother with the group of armed men at the Car Source smiling for the camera.
Post by: Rufus on May 27, 2022, 12:27:24 PM
There's also a picture of his brother with the group of armed men at the Car Source smiling for the camera.What does that prove?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 27, 2022, 12:44:46 PM
Post by: Rufus on May 27, 2022, 01:08:11 PM
They testified they hadn't met the group.Where are you seeing that?
Quote from: https://news.yahoo.com/family-behind-kenosha-car-dealership-225827924.html
Anmol, who at the time was an inventory manager at the Car Source properties, recalled briefly chatting with Rittenhouse earlier in the day and giving the then-17-year-old his phone number.
Misread this maybe?
Quote from: https://www.kenoshanews.com/did-car-source-ask-for-armed-help-during-kenosha-unrest-witness-testimony-differs/article_d0d31293-6736-53f4-9dcc-f448f37b2952.html
Another photo depicting Sal posing with the armed group — including Rittenhouse and former Car Source employee Nicholas Smith — at one of the Car Source locations was shown in court. Sal said on the stand that he was intrigued by the men, had never seen anyone like them before except “on TV,” and asked for the picture. He said he didn’t know the group ostensibly planned to stay on Car Source property.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on May 27, 2022, 01:19:20 PM
Post by: Rufus on May 27, 2022, 01:29:50 PM
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 27, 2022, 01:34:56 PM
They testified they hadn't met the group.Where are you seeing that?Quote from: https://news.yahoo.com/family-behind-kenosha-car-dealership-225827924.htmlAnmol, who at the time was an inventory manager at the Car Source properties, recalled briefly chatting with Rittenhouse earlier in the day and giving the then-17-year-old his phone number.
Misread this maybe?Quote from: https://www.kenoshanews.com/did-car-source-ask-for-armed-help-during-kenosha-unrest-witness-testimony-differs/article_d0d31293-6736-53f4-9dcc-f448f37b2952.htmlAnother photo depicting Sal posing with the armed group — including Rittenhouse and former Car Source employee Nicholas Smith — at one of the Car Source locations was shown in court. Sal said on the stand that he was intrigued by the men, had never seen anyone like them before except “on TV,” and asked for the picture. He said he didn’t know the group ostensibly planned to stay on Car Source property.
https://news.sky.com/story/kenosha-residents-say-there-is-still-more-to-be-done-after-trump-and-biden-visit-12063160 (https://news.sky.com/story/kenosha-residents-say-there-is-still-more-to-be-done-after-trump-and-biden-visit-12063160)
Either Sal lied to Sky News back then about being the owner or he lied on the stand. Since according to the article he was the owner of it in 2020 and when he testified in 2021 he apparently wasn't the owner but worked in a store in Milwaukee.
(https://i.insider.com/6185ad7923745d00182557be?width=1000&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
Post by: Rufus on May 27, 2022, 01:43:14 PM
You said they testified that they hadn't met the group.They testified they hadn't met the group.Where are you seeing that?Quote from: https://news.yahoo.com/family-behind-kenosha-car-dealership-225827924.htmlAnmol, who at the time was an inventory manager at the Car Source properties, recalled briefly chatting with Rittenhouse earlier in the day and giving the then-17-year-old his phone number.
Misread this maybe?Quote from: https://www.kenoshanews.com/did-car-source-ask-for-armed-help-during-kenosha-unrest-witness-testimony-differs/article_d0d31293-6736-53f4-9dcc-f448f37b2952.htmlAnother photo depicting Sal posing with the armed group — including Rittenhouse and former Car Source employee Nicholas Smith — at one of the Car Source locations was shown in court. Sal said on the stand that he was intrigued by the men, had never seen anyone like them before except “on TV,” and asked for the picture. He said he didn’t know the group ostensibly planned to stay on Car Source property.
https://news.sky.com/story/kenosha-residents-say-there-is-still-more-to-be-done-after-trump-and-biden-visit-12063160 (https://news.sky.com/story/kenosha-residents-say-there-is-still-more-to-be-done-after-trump-and-biden-visit-12063160)
Either Sal lied to Sky News back then about being the owner or he lied on the stand. Since according to the article he was the owner of it in 2020 and when he testified in 2021 he apparently wasn't the owner but worked in a store in Milwaukee.
(https://i.insider.com/6185ad7923745d00182557be?width=1000&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
Post by: HardcoreRetro on May 27, 2022, 01:52:07 PM
You said they testified that they hadn't met the group.
Yup, you're right and I was wrong.
"Sahil and Anmol Khindri said they both encountered Rittenhouse and other armed men on August 25, 2020, the day of the shooting, but only briefly."
Post by: Nintex on May 27, 2022, 01:59:17 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2022, 03:35:20 PM
:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry
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Don't worry, the DA has been promoted to AUSA. :american
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Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2022, 12:21:52 AM
Quote from: https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/forest-service-says-it-started-all-new-mexicos-largest-wildfire-2022-05-27/
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TAOS, N.M., May 27 (Reuters) - Two blazes that grew into New Mexico's largest ever wildfire were both started by the U.S. Forest Service (USFS), the agency said on Friday, prompting the state's governor to demand the federal government take full responsibility for the disaster.
Forest Service investigators determined the Calf Canyon Fire was caused by a "burn pile" of branches that the agency thought was out but reignited on April 19, the Santa Fe National Forest said in a statement.
That blaze on April 22 merged with the Hermits Peak Fire, which the USFS started with a controlled burn that went out of control on April 6, the agency previously reported.
The combined blaze has so far torched over 312,320 acres(126,319 hectares) of mountain forests and valleys, an area approaching the size of greater London, and destroyed hundreds of homes.
"The pain and suffering of New Mexicans caused by the actions of the U.S. Forest Service – an agency that is intended to be a steward of our lands – is unfathomable," New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham said in a statement.
Quote from: https://www.ajc.com/politics/trump-probe-fulton-grand-jury-prepares-to-hear-testimony/GUO25T7L7ZESLAST2HELETHYPI/
The Fulton County District Attorney’s wide-ranging criminal investigation into efforts to overturn Georgia’s 2020 presidential election is heating up, weeks after the seating of a special purpose grand jury with subpoena power.
Jurors are slated to hear closed-door testimony from Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on Thursday, according to his subpoena, which was obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution through an open records request.
They also filed separate subpoenas to interview five of Raffensperger’s current and former top aides, including Deputy Secretary of State Gabe Sterling, the week of June 6 and at least one state senator later in the month.
“You comply with subpoenas,” Sterling told Channel 2 Action News, which first reported news of his subpoena. “You go in there, you tell the truth, follow the law and that’s what this office always does and will continue to do.”
Raffensperger will be one of the first witnesses from which the 23-person special grand jury hears testimony since jurors were selected on May 2. Fulton DA Fani Willis has refrained from calling witnesses to testify during the month of May to avoid appearing politically motivated ahead of this week’s primaries.
But with those elections in the rearview mirror and key witnesses like Raffensperger, Gov. Brian Kemp and Attorney General Chris Carr now clear of their intraparty battles, the jury is expected to issue a flurry of additional subpoenas in the weeks ahead.
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2022, 12:23:02 AM
Quote from: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/jan-6-defendant-posed-hitler-tells-jurors-idiot-didnt-know-congress-me-rcna30743
Hale-Cusanelli, who has been in jail since Feb. 2021, did not dispute that he entered the Capitol on Jan. 6, and his defense lawyer explicitly admitted that Hale-Cusanelli engaged in criminal activity that day. Video shows Hale-Cusanelli yelling at cops outside the Capitol, entering the Capitol moments after it was breached, waving other members of the mob into the building, and attempting to grab another rioter away from police.
But Hale-Cusanelli attempted to defend himself against charges by saying he didn't know that the Capitol was where the House and Senate sit — despite having described himself during the trial as a history buff who closely followed the electoral college certification process. He claimed in testimony on Thursday that he didn't realize that senators and House members were in the Capitol building on Jan. 6.
"I know this sounds idiotic, but I'm from New Jersey," Hale-Cusanelli told jurors on Thursday. "I feel like an idiot, it sounds idiotic, and it is."
The first count of Hale-Cusanelli's indictment charges that he "attempted to, and did, corruptly obstruct, influence, and impede an official proceeding, that is, a proceeding before Congress, specifically, Congress's certification of the Electoral College vote." Prosecutors had to convince a jury that Hale-Cusanelli acted "knowingly" and not "through ignorance, mistake, or accident."
Hale-Cusanelli leaned heavily on the "ignorance" component, telling jurors that — despite his knowledge of the 17th Amendment that provided for direct election of U.S. senators — he had no clue that members of Congress met at the Capitol.
"I didn't know the Capitol building was the same as the congressional building," Hale-Cusanelli told a federal prosecutor.
Post by: chronovore on May 28, 2022, 02:52:29 AM
Post by: Nintex on May 28, 2022, 04:09:31 AM
He mostly skipped over the usual conservative talking points and started with a Trumpian remembrance, said the shooter would burn in hell and made the simple argument that guns are necessary because of the existence of such evil.
Post by: VomKriege on May 28, 2022, 06:04:21 AM
Post by: Nintex on May 28, 2022, 09:03:17 AM
Meanwhile, in DC:Quote from: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/jan-6-defendant-posed-hitler-tells-jurors-idiot-didnt-know-congress-me-rcna30743Hale-Cusanelli, who has been in jail since Feb. 2021, did not dispute that he entered the Capitol on Jan. 6, and his defense lawyer explicitly admitted that Hale-Cusanelli engaged in criminal activity that day. Video shows Hale-Cusanelli yelling at cops outside the Capitol, entering the Capitol moments after it was breached, waving other members of the mob into the building, and attempting to grab another rioter away from police.
But Hale-Cusanelli attempted to defend himself against charges by saying he didn't know that the Capitol was where the House and Senate sit — despite having described himself during the trial as a history buff who closely followed the electoral college certification process. He claimed in testimony on Thursday that he didn't realize that senators and House members were in the Capitol building on Jan. 6.
"I know this sounds idiotic, but I'm from New Jersey," Hale-Cusanelli told jurors on Thursday. "I feel like an idiot, it sounds idiotic, and it is."
The first count of Hale-Cusanelli's indictment charges that he "attempted to, and did, corruptly obstruct, influence, and impede an official proceeding, that is, a proceeding before Congress, specifically, Congress's certification of the Electoral College vote." Prosecutors had to convince a jury that Hale-Cusanelli acted "knowingly" and not "through ignorance, mistake, or accident."
Hale-Cusanelli leaned heavily on the "ignorance" component, telling jurors that — despite his knowledge of the 17th Amendment that provided for direct election of U.S. senators — he had no clue that members of Congress met at the Capitol.
"I didn't know the Capitol building was the same as the congressional building," Hale-Cusanelli told a federal prosecutor.
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Post by: Nintex on May 28, 2022, 07:40:14 PM
:trumps
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2022, 10:12:53 PM
:shh
Post by: Occam on May 29, 2022, 01:00:09 AM
Post by: VomKriege on May 29, 2022, 08:49:53 AM
Post by: Nintex on May 29, 2022, 02:20:40 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FT7TiHSUYAACjxm?format=jpg)
Great MAGA King indeed :dead
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 29, 2022, 02:25:52 PM
Post by: VomKriege on May 29, 2022, 07:34:41 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2022, 08:58:56 PM
advertising a trump gold grift :dead
You miss me yet? :trumps
Post by: Occam on May 29, 2022, 10:24:45 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1530642103822188544
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouseWacko/status/1530657286368022528
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2022, 08:48:43 AM
:trumpshttps://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1531085204189638658
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1531085209394769921
https://twitter.com/jwheat1968/status/1531156847440404481
Post by: Nintex on May 30, 2022, 03:15:27 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2022, 07:19:02 PM
:dead :dead :dead :dead
Post by: Nintex on May 31, 2022, 07:24:01 PM
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1531773812156538881 (https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1531773812156538881)
They should learn from the brits and reshuffle.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 31, 2022, 07:24:55 PM
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2022, 01:13:46 AM
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1531424178301173760
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2022, 01:33:30 AM
Quote from: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/31/bts-meets-with-joe-biden-draws-viewers-to-white-house-press-briefing.html
A White House press briefing on Tuesday saw a massive spike in viewers when K-pop megastars BTS stopped by to deliver remarks ahead of a meeting with President Joe Biden.
The seven-member sensation, which has shattered records with its popular songs and music videos, drove more than 310,000 simultaneous viewers to tune into a livestream of the press briefing on the White House’s YouTube channel. The regularly occurring briefings, which as of late have centered on topics such as inflation and the Russian invasion of Ukraine, rarely generate anywhere near the audience size seen Tuesday.
The White House’s official video of a BTS-less briefing last Thursday, for instance, had garnered fewer than 16,000 total YouTube views as of Tuesday afternoon.
BTS came to the White House to talk to Biden about Asian inclusion and representation, and to discuss a sharp rise in anti-Asian hate crimes in recent years. Biden last year signed the Covid-19 Hate Crimes Act in an effort to address that trend.
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“Hi, we’re BTS, and it is a great honor to be invited to the White House today to be able to discuss the important issues of anti-Asian hate crimes, Asian inclusion and diversity,” the group’s leader RM told the crowd of reporters in English.:american
He also thanked Biden for the “important opportunity to speak about the important causes [and] remind ourselves of what we can do as artists.”
The other six members each spoke in Korean. The band took no questions and left the room.
Much of the audience checked out just as quickly. Within a few minutes of the group’s departure, more than 200,000 viewers had left the livestream.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 01, 2022, 03:50:32 AM
Another day in "when you should just stop at the critique":
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1531424178301173760
she's probably happy then
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 01, 2022, 07:12:41 AM
Good episode
Post by: VomKriege on June 01, 2022, 04:22:05 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 02, 2022, 12:55:37 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 02, 2022, 12:57:49 PM
Post by: Nintex on June 02, 2022, 02:16:20 PM
Guess they've completely given up at this point.
Post by: benjipwns on June 02, 2022, 07:12:01 PM
Guess they've completely given up at this point.But he's right, what could they do? Time travel isn't an enumerated power in the Constitution, especially for the executive branch.
Post by: benjipwns on June 03, 2022, 12:36:37 AM
Quote from: https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/02/politics/michael-avenatti-stormy-daniels-sentencing/
New York (CNN)Disgraced attorney Michael Avenatti was sentenced to four years in prison for stealing nearly $300,000 from his former client, adult film actress Stormy Daniels.:american
District Judge Jesse Furman said Avenatti's conduct was "so brazen and egregious" adding, he "took advantage of a vulnerable victim given her unorthodox career and somewhat unorthodox beliefs."
Avenatti was convicted in February of one count of wire fraud and one count of aggravated identity theft. He faced as much as 20 years on the wire fraud charge and a mandatory two-year sentence for aggravated identity theft.
Avenatti is currently serving a 30-month prison sentence for attempting to extort over $20 million from Nike by threatening to go public with damaging information unless they paid him. He goes on trial next month in California on charges alleging that he embezzled $10 million in settlement funds from at least five clients. He has also been charged with tax fraud and bankruptcy fraud and pleaded not guilty to the charges.
Part of Thursday's sentence will be served alongside the Nike sentence, but Furman said Avenatti will have to serve an additional two and a half years after he completes the Nike sentence.
Avenatti was also ordered to pay $148,750 to Daniels and $297,900 to the US.
Post by: benjipwns on June 03, 2022, 12:38:45 AM
:what
https://twitter.com/angelahudson748/status/1532113902217089024
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https://twitter.com/hk_hahn/status/1532035927282962434
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https://twitter.com/BgHanse/status/1532141830149742597
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Post by: james on June 03, 2022, 01:16:00 AM
Avenatti 2024 kicks off:Quote from: https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/02/politics/michael-avenatti-stormy-daniels-sentencing/New York (CNN)Disgraced attorney Michael Avenatti was sentenced to four years in prison for stealing nearly $300,000 from his former client, adult film actress Stormy Daniels.:american
District Judge Jesse Furman said Avenatti's conduct was "so brazen and egregious" adding, he "took advantage of a vulnerable victim given her unorthodox career and somewhat unorthodox beliefs."
Avenatti was convicted in February of one count of wire fraud and one count of aggravated identity theft. He faced as much as 20 years on the wire fraud charge and a mandatory two-year sentence for aggravated identity theft.
Avenatti is currently serving a 30-month prison sentence for attempting to extort over $20 million from Nike by threatening to go public with damaging information unless they paid him. He goes on trial next month in California on charges alleging that he embezzled $10 million in settlement funds from at least five clients. He has also been charged with tax fraud and bankruptcy fraud and pleaded not guilty to the charges.
Part of Thursday's sentence will be served alongside the Nike sentence, but Furman said Avenatti will have to serve an additional two and a half years after he completes the Nike sentence.
Avenatti was also ordered to pay $148,750 to Daniels and $297,900 to the US.
Still better than Trump
Post by: tiesto on June 03, 2022, 01:09:23 PM
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maybe not the most laughable dark horse candidate considering they also had DiBlasio on the list :lol
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/our-third-ish-2020-democratic-primary-draft-got-weird/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/our-third-ish-2020-democratic-primary-draft-got-weird/)
Post by: benjipwns on June 03, 2022, 05:58:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfVwotyqhHc
Post by: Nintex on June 03, 2022, 07:26:28 PM
Dr. Oz won :doge
Post by: Nintex on June 04, 2022, 07:48:48 AM
Drain the swamp :trumps
Post by: Nintex on June 06, 2022, 03:08:25 PM
MSDNC: "Would you vote for: literally everything is more expensive"
Voter: "No"
MSDNC: :pika
https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1533836998745763842 (https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1533836998745763842)
CNN is so bad it's now a problem for democracy
Post by: Potato on June 06, 2022, 03:22:15 PM
Post by: james on June 06, 2022, 03:48:24 PM
Yes
Is it Joe Bidens fault?
Yes
Because he controls the prices?
Yes
And high prices are bad for Joe?
Yes
So if Joe controls the prices, and the high prices are bad for Joe, why doesnt he just make them lower to get more votes?
:pika
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 06, 2022, 04:37:57 PM
Are gas prices too high?For fucks sake Joe, just print a couple trilly and cut taxes on people earning >$400k/yr
Yes
Is it Joe Bidens fault?
Yes
Because he controls the prices?
Yes
And high prices are bad for Joe?
Yes
So if Joe controls the prices, and the high prices are bad for Joe, why doesnt he just make them lower to get more votes?
:pika
job done
Post by: james on June 06, 2022, 05:08:31 PM
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U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg and at least 14 others have tested positive for COVID-19 after covering or attending the Mackinac Policy Conference last week.https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2022/06/06/buttigieg-positive-covid-19-mackinac-policy-conference/7532212001/
In a statement issued Monday afternoon, conference organizer Detroit Regional Chamber indicated it is aware of at least 15 people who tested positive after attending the conference.
Buttigieg joined hundreds of politicians, business leaders, reporters and others at the conference Wednesday on Mackinac Island. He participated in multiple events unmasked, including news conferences and interviews, at times with Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.
:pika
Post by: benjipwns on June 06, 2022, 10:27:10 PM
Pretty sure democracy would be better served if you needed to pass a basic economic/system of government literacy test before being given the right to vote.We, uh, sorta have a problematic history of this.
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2022, 03:08:17 AM
Post by: Potato on June 07, 2022, 04:17:16 AM
I don't see it as problematic, just the wrong implementation.Pretty sure democracy would be better served if you needed to pass a basic economic/system of government literacy test before being given the right to vote.We, uh, sorta have a problematic history of this.
Post by: Nintex on June 07, 2022, 01:13:33 PM
:elon
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 07, 2022, 01:34:20 PM
Post by: Nintex on June 07, 2022, 03:19:06 PM
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1534246358496026627 (https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1534246358496026627)
He's running?
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 07, 2022, 04:10:04 PM
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 07, 2022, 04:13:40 PM
edit: wait, shits too hard to spell for a presidents name. Go by the pseudonym Max Power instead :usacry
Post by: james on June 07, 2022, 06:33:25 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 07, 2022, 06:45:24 PM
Post by: BrokenVerses on June 07, 2022, 07:07:42 PM
https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/1533795682666127361
Damage control time? If your policies are alienating your base in a traditional liberal bastion, just redefine the city?
Also “You have very liberal people saying, ‘I’m very liberal, but I can’t stand someone shooting up right in front of me.’”
I'm curious about this mythical missing "working-class population to bolster progressive candidates" that wouldn't also have a problem with this.
Pretty sure the actual working class would also be bothered if they can't walk their kids to the park because of homeless encampments and rampant public drug use. Or having to drive 5 miles to a Walgreens to get cough syrup because the closest one closed to unchecked shoplifting or taking your kids to buy school clothes at a Nordstrom's means having to dodge organized shoplifting mobs openly looting. Or your small business losing clients because your work truck had the catalytic converter cut off for the third time and you can't afford to replace it again.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 07, 2022, 09:11:26 PM
Are gas prices too high?
Yes
Is it Joe Bidens fault?
Yes
Because he controls the prices?
Yes
And high prices are bad for Joe?
Yes
So if Joe controls the prices, and the high prices are bad for Joe, why doesnt he just make them lower to get more votes?
:pika
Republicans said they didn't want free shit. It's called reaching across the aisle, dumbass.
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2022, 10:41:54 PM
The funniest way to do it would be by referendum, so all the people who vote for it would show up next time and not be able to vote because they don't know the Constitution or whatever.I don't see it as problematic, just the wrong implementation.Pretty sure democracy would be better served if you needed to pass a basic economic/system of government literacy test before being given the right to vote.We, uh, sorta have a problematic history of this.
Post by: benjipwns on June 08, 2022, 03:17:48 AM
Quote from: https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/6/6/23157287/lightfoot-unloads-on-criminal-court-judges-after-three-police-shootings-in-a-week
“Given the exacting standards that the state’s attorney has for charging a case — which is proof beyond a reasonable doubt — when those charges are brought, these people are guilty,” Mayor Lori Lightfoot said. “Of course they’re entitled to a presumption of innocence. Of course they’re entitled to their day in court. But, residents in our community are also entitled to safety from dangerous people.”https://twitter.com/CookCoDefender/status/1533962896895447040
...
To provide public safety, Lightfoot said the powers that be need to keep pressuring criminal court judges to “lock up dangerous, violent people and not put them out on bail or electronic monitoring back into the very same communities where brave souls are mustering the courage to come forward and say, ‘This is the person who is responsible.’ ”
“That undermines safety. It tells the victims that there’s no justice for them. And it undermines the legitimacy of the criminal courts,” she said.
:american
Post by: Nintex on June 08, 2022, 03:20:56 AM
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Of course they’re entitled to their day in court. But,:dead
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 08, 2022, 03:34:36 AM
Post by: Propagandhim on June 08, 2022, 11:57:24 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 08, 2022, 02:35:11 PM
fucking heart breaking
Post by: Nintex on June 08, 2022, 03:24:42 PM
What was his ResetEra handle
Post by: Nintex on June 08, 2022, 05:27:26 PM
Welp
Post by: james on June 08, 2022, 05:57:50 PM
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2022, 12:12:43 AM
Quote from: https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook/2022/06/08/biden-to-media-be-better-00038244
JOE BIDEN doesn’t do many off-the-record chats with reporters. So the traveling White House press corps was surprised and intrigued when the president dropped by Air Force One’s press section for one such session with them during a recent trip to the West Coast.This doesn't sound like a very "off-the-record" chat and "multiple people" seem to have agreed.
But Biden wasn’t just there to field questions. He had his own message to deliver. According to multiple people familiar with the off-the-record session, he used much of his time with reporters to criticize the quality and tenor of press coverage of his administration.
There is growing frustration by the president and his family that he is not receiving the kind of generally more positive coverage they believe he deserves — that too often attention is focused on staff turnover and poor poll numbers and not a robust jobs market and America’s relatively strong economic recovery.
In addition to privately pushing reporters, the president and his team are also trying new tactics to change the prevailing storylines. Among them is an attempt to reframe the narrative around issues like inflation. His team published opinion pieces in The New York Times and Wall Street Journal in recent days under the president’s byline, attempting to share his foreign policy vision and path to lowering costs for consumers.
The White House has also recently leaned into the use of celebrities to help carry its message. Visits from Korean pop group BTS and Oscar-winning actor MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY have resulted in major boosts in earned media. Within minutes, a late-night video of the president and BTS discussing recent violence against Asians was one of the president’s top performing posts, and McConaughey’s emotional plea in the White House briefing room for measures to reduce gun violence similarly received millions of views on YouTube. On Wednesday, the president will stop by “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” for his second appearance on a late-night show since taking office and his first one in-person.
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:biden
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Post by: Nintex on June 09, 2022, 03:05:21 AM
He dropped his gun :dead
Post by: Potato on June 09, 2022, 03:13:34 AM
It clearly says "Police" on his vest.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 09, 2022, 07:01:27 AM
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 09, 2022, 07:44:04 AM
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1534643822814277633 (https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1534643822814277633)
Welp
This was actually a CIA attempt at a false flag attack by iran
Post by: james on June 09, 2022, 11:06:48 AM
https://twitter.com/DavidEggert00/status/1534906740290072577
Post by: Nintex on June 09, 2022, 12:58:52 PM
Liz Cheney or Donald Trump
What say you?
With Liz Cheney in power you will not only get $10 gas but also unrestricted warfare in various places you can't find on a map.
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on June 09, 2022, 02:25:09 PM
Liz Cheney or Donald Trump
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Post by: D3RANG3D on June 09, 2022, 02:37:24 PM
Post by: Occam on June 09, 2022, 03:16:07 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/supreme-court-power-overrule-congress/661212/
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And Congress should claw it back.
By Nikolas Bowie and Daphna Renan
The Atlantic
June 8, 2022, 7 AM ET
About the authors: Nikolas Bowie is a professor at Harvard Law School. Daphna Renan is a professor at Harvard Law School.
It’s June again—that time of year when Americans wake up each morning and wait for the Supreme Court to resolve our deepest political disagreements. To decide what the Constitution says about our bodily autonomy, our power to avert climate change, and our ability to protect children from guns, the nation turns not to members of Congress—elected by us—but to five oracles in robes.
This annual observance of judicial supremacy—the idea that the Supreme Court has the final say about what our Constitution allows—is an odd affliction for a nation that will close the month ready to celebrate our independence from an unelected monarch. From one perspective, our acceptance of this supremacy reflects a sense that our political system is simply too broken to address the most urgent questions that we confront. But it would be a mistake to see judicial supremacy as a mere symptom of our politics and not a cause.
Contrary to what many people have come to believe, judicial supremacy is not in the Constitution, and does not date from the founding era. It took hold of American politics only after the Civil War, when the Court overruled Congress’s judgment that the Constitution demanded civil-rights and voting laws. The Court has spent the 150 years since sapping our national representatives of the power to issue national rules. These judicial decisions have destroyed guardrails that national majorities deemed vital to a functional, multiracial democracy—including protecting the right to vote and curbing the influence of money in politics. Even worse, the Court’s assertion of the power to invalidate federal laws has stripped Americans of the expectation, once widely shared, that the most important interpretations of the Constitution are expressed not by judicial decree but by the participation of “We, the People,” in enacting national legislation.
In the decades before the Civil War, when national parties violently contested the constitutionality of slavery west of the Mississippi, the center of gravity was Congress. As the historian James Oakes recounts, when a border-state senator proposed asking the Supreme Court to decide the issue in 1848, other senators ridiculed his idea as implausible. “The Constitution was interpreted as variously as the Bible,” Senator John P. Hale of New Hampshire responded. White southerners believed “the Constitution carries slavery with it,” while northerners construed the Constitution “to secure freedom.” As Hale and his contemporaries appreciated, resolving such a fundamental national disagreement could never turn on a court’s answer to which interpretation was more correct. Rather, the winning interpretation would depend on whether adherents could build sufficient political majorities to control the national government.
The Supreme Court did attempt to decide the question in its infamous 1857 Dred Scott decision—interpreting the Constitution to hold that the federal government lacked the power to abolish slavery anywhere in the United States. But rather than accept this novel assertion of judicial supremacy over Congress, the Republican Party responded with defiance. Indeed, Abraham Lincoln successfully ran for president on a platform of repudiating the Court with national legislation. In his inaugural address, he remarked that “the candid citizen must confess that if the policy of the Government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court,” then “the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned their Government into the hands of that eminent tribunal.”
Through the Civil War and the Reconstruction era that followed, the politically dominant Republicans in Congress enacted legislation to build a multiracial democracy in the United States for the first time. Some of these laws boldly overruled the Court, including statutes in 1862 and 1866 that began the abolition of slavery and recognized the citizenship of Black people. Others prevented the Court from retaliating against Congress’s interpretation of the Constitution, such as legislation stripping the Court of jurisdiction over certain matters. Still others enlisted the Court in the project of enforcing Congress’s constitutional judgments. Acts in 1870 and 1871 instructed federal courts to enforce the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments against recalcitrant state officials, while acts in 1870 and 1875 tasked judges with banning voting restrictions, lynch mobs, and racial discrimination.
Only after Republicans lost control of Congress in 1875 was the Court able to enforce its contrary interpretations of the Constitution—to devastating effect. In the Civil Rights Cases of 1883 and related cases, the Court refused to enforce federal civil-rights laws on the theory that the newly enacted Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments gave Congress no power against private racial violence or discrimination in public accommodations. For the next half century—as part of what the historian W. E. B. Du Bois called the “counter-revolution of property”—the Court condemned the Reconstruction Congress as a group of unprincipled fanatics. And it invented new doctrines that authorized the Court to invalidate federal legislation that it thought went too far toward interfering with white business interests. It was during this period that judicial supremacy took hold as a dominant ideology in the United States.
This bears repeating: Judicial supremacy is an institutional arrangement brought to cultural ascendancy by white people who wanted to undo Reconstruction and the rise of organized labor that had followed. And that makes sense, as judicial supremacy can harness the power of an entrenched minority and use that power to undermine the more democratic legislative branch. Decades after the Court in Marbury v. Madison first anticipated that it might disagree with Congress about a federal law’s constitutionality, the justices finally convinced skeptics of the need for this authority by disempowering Congress and unraveling its legislative efforts to establish political equality.
In the nearly 150 years since Reconstruction, the thrust of judicial supremacy has continued to be revanchist. Through the 21st century, the justices overwhelmingly have exercised their claim of supremacy over Congress to insulate the wealthy and powerful from federal labor laws, federal voting laws, federal civil-rights laws, federal campaign-finance laws, and federal health-care laws. Decisions such as Citizens United and Shelby County are typical examples of how the Court has overruled Congress to make it harder for ordinary people to participate in American democracy on equal terms. But their damage goes beyond even that: Because the limits of our constitutional imagination can extend no further than the opinions of those who happen to sit on the Court, judicial supremacy has also impoverished what we think is possible through democratic politics—and through organizing for political change at the national level.
Rather than look to the Court to glimpse some fundamental truth from scant constitutional text, Americans ought to demand that their elected representatives engage in the hard work of national lawmaking. Congress must act, even if it means overriding the interpretations of the Court and reshaping its jurisdiction.
Encouragingly, members of the House have recently passed bills to enforce their understanding of what federal laws our nation demands and our Constitution permits—including reproductive freedom and voting rights. But the bills have all stalled in the Senate for two reasons that remain within its control. One, the filibuster, will be abolished as soon as 50 senators recognize that a permanently incapacitated Senate is far more destructive than an active Senate that might one day be controlled by an opposing party.
But the other obstacle may be more pernicious: a fear among legislators that there is no point to legislating if the Court will simply invalidate anything Congress achieves.
Yet as the Reconstruction Congress recognized, everything the Court has the power to do comes from federal statutes passed by Congress—statutes that a majority of Congress always has the power to amend. Conflicts over constitutional interpretation are not really over who has the best understanding of words inscribed in an old document. They are about who—or which actors in our system of national government—can deliver on a particular, and inherently contested, meaning in the context of our current times. It is a question of political leadership, not legalism.
There is nothing unconstitutional about Congress reasserting its authority to define the nation’s highest law. The experience of Reconstruction brings into view this firmly grounded practice. In fact, a surviving remnant of the Reconstruction Congress’s work—today codified in 42 U.S.C. § 1983—has underwritten some of the most famous cases in modern constitutional law. In Section 1983, Congress instructed federal courts to stop state or local officials from depriving anyone of their “rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution.” Section 1983 is what Oliver Brown invoked when he challenged Kansas’s segregation laws in Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, what “Jane Roe” invoked to challenge Texas’s abortion law in Roe v. Wade, and what James Obergefell invoked when he challenged Ohio’s same-sex-marriage ban in Obergefell v. Hodges. While these landmark cases invalidated state laws, the justices were following, not undermining, Congress’s orders. The decisions overruling state interpretations of the Constitution don’t represent judicial supremacy, but rather Congress’s ability to make and enforce national constitutional commitments.
Congressional checks on the Supreme Court are also very different from the calls for “nullification” by slaveholders before the Civil War, their descendants during the civil-rights movement, and Texas legislators today. The Civil War itself resolved that the representatives of states must enforce their constitutional interpretations not by defying the government created by the Constitution but by participating in it. For the past two centuries, Congress has been the branch of the federal government where our democracy’s pursuit of equal justice under law has most often been realized. The question is not whether some commitments—abolition, reproductive freedom, racial equality—are worth making supreme and constitutive of a national American identity. Rather, the question is who gets to decide the content of those commitments for all Americans: the 50 states, a five-justice majority, or our national legislature.
If the Court is today eviscerating those very constitutional commitments through its case law, Congress should enact or amend federal statutes to advance a different understanding of a nation built on democratic justice. It should reshape the Court’s ability to intervene in these disputes, including by restricting the Court’s authority to set aside federal legislation. And it should conscript the Court in enforcing federal commitments when resistant state officials brazenly declare that the national government has no jurisdiction to protect Americans from their parochial rule.
The thing stopping Congress from reversing each wrongheaded decision the Court issues this month therefore isn’t the Constitution. It’s our failure to demand more from our elected representatives.
The promise of a genuinely multiracial democracy will fade if Americans are unwilling to embrace structural reforms that can make our policies and our politics more responsive to majority rule. How Congress allocates the power to interpret the Constitution should be at the heart of those reforms. We simply cannot build a better politics if we don’t reclaim the authority of Congress to resolve our most fundamental disagreements. Rather than allow a handful of us to define the Constitution’s meaning in a mystical ritual each June, the rest of us should define it with the hard, messy work of American politics year-round.
By Nikolas Bowie and Daphna Renan
The Atlantic
June 8, 2022, 7 AM ET
About the authors: Nikolas Bowie is a professor at Harvard Law School. Daphna Renan is a professor at Harvard Law School.
It’s June again—that time of year when Americans wake up each morning and wait for the Supreme Court to resolve our deepest political disagreements. To decide what the Constitution says about our bodily autonomy, our power to avert climate change, and our ability to protect children from guns, the nation turns not to members of Congress—elected by us—but to five oracles in robes.
This annual observance of judicial supremacy—the idea that the Supreme Court has the final say about what our Constitution allows—is an odd affliction for a nation that will close the month ready to celebrate our independence from an unelected monarch. From one perspective, our acceptance of this supremacy reflects a sense that our political system is simply too broken to address the most urgent questions that we confront. But it would be a mistake to see judicial supremacy as a mere symptom of our politics and not a cause.
Contrary to what many people have come to believe, judicial supremacy is not in the Constitution, and does not date from the founding era. It took hold of American politics only after the Civil War, when the Court overruled Congress’s judgment that the Constitution demanded civil-rights and voting laws. The Court has spent the 150 years since sapping our national representatives of the power to issue national rules. These judicial decisions have destroyed guardrails that national majorities deemed vital to a functional, multiracial democracy—including protecting the right to vote and curbing the influence of money in politics. Even worse, the Court’s assertion of the power to invalidate federal laws has stripped Americans of the expectation, once widely shared, that the most important interpretations of the Constitution are expressed not by judicial decree but by the participation of “We, the People,” in enacting national legislation.
In the decades before the Civil War, when national parties violently contested the constitutionality of slavery west of the Mississippi, the center of gravity was Congress. As the historian James Oakes recounts, when a border-state senator proposed asking the Supreme Court to decide the issue in 1848, other senators ridiculed his idea as implausible. “The Constitution was interpreted as variously as the Bible,” Senator John P. Hale of New Hampshire responded. White southerners believed “the Constitution carries slavery with it,” while northerners construed the Constitution “to secure freedom.” As Hale and his contemporaries appreciated, resolving such a fundamental national disagreement could never turn on a court’s answer to which interpretation was more correct. Rather, the winning interpretation would depend on whether adherents could build sufficient political majorities to control the national government.
The Supreme Court did attempt to decide the question in its infamous 1857 Dred Scott decision—interpreting the Constitution to hold that the federal government lacked the power to abolish slavery anywhere in the United States. But rather than accept this novel assertion of judicial supremacy over Congress, the Republican Party responded with defiance. Indeed, Abraham Lincoln successfully ran for president on a platform of repudiating the Court with national legislation. In his inaugural address, he remarked that “the candid citizen must confess that if the policy of the Government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court,” then “the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned their Government into the hands of that eminent tribunal.”
Through the Civil War and the Reconstruction era that followed, the politically dominant Republicans in Congress enacted legislation to build a multiracial democracy in the United States for the first time. Some of these laws boldly overruled the Court, including statutes in 1862 and 1866 that began the abolition of slavery and recognized the citizenship of Black people. Others prevented the Court from retaliating against Congress’s interpretation of the Constitution, such as legislation stripping the Court of jurisdiction over certain matters. Still others enlisted the Court in the project of enforcing Congress’s constitutional judgments. Acts in 1870 and 1871 instructed federal courts to enforce the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments against recalcitrant state officials, while acts in 1870 and 1875 tasked judges with banning voting restrictions, lynch mobs, and racial discrimination.
Only after Republicans lost control of Congress in 1875 was the Court able to enforce its contrary interpretations of the Constitution—to devastating effect. In the Civil Rights Cases of 1883 and related cases, the Court refused to enforce federal civil-rights laws on the theory that the newly enacted Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments gave Congress no power against private racial violence or discrimination in public accommodations. For the next half century—as part of what the historian W. E. B. Du Bois called the “counter-revolution of property”—the Court condemned the Reconstruction Congress as a group of unprincipled fanatics. And it invented new doctrines that authorized the Court to invalidate federal legislation that it thought went too far toward interfering with white business interests. It was during this period that judicial supremacy took hold as a dominant ideology in the United States.
This bears repeating: Judicial supremacy is an institutional arrangement brought to cultural ascendancy by white people who wanted to undo Reconstruction and the rise of organized labor that had followed. And that makes sense, as judicial supremacy can harness the power of an entrenched minority and use that power to undermine the more democratic legislative branch. Decades after the Court in Marbury v. Madison first anticipated that it might disagree with Congress about a federal law’s constitutionality, the justices finally convinced skeptics of the need for this authority by disempowering Congress and unraveling its legislative efforts to establish political equality.
In the nearly 150 years since Reconstruction, the thrust of judicial supremacy has continued to be revanchist. Through the 21st century, the justices overwhelmingly have exercised their claim of supremacy over Congress to insulate the wealthy and powerful from federal labor laws, federal voting laws, federal civil-rights laws, federal campaign-finance laws, and federal health-care laws. Decisions such as Citizens United and Shelby County are typical examples of how the Court has overruled Congress to make it harder for ordinary people to participate in American democracy on equal terms. But their damage goes beyond even that: Because the limits of our constitutional imagination can extend no further than the opinions of those who happen to sit on the Court, judicial supremacy has also impoverished what we think is possible through democratic politics—and through organizing for political change at the national level.
Rather than look to the Court to glimpse some fundamental truth from scant constitutional text, Americans ought to demand that their elected representatives engage in the hard work of national lawmaking. Congress must act, even if it means overriding the interpretations of the Court and reshaping its jurisdiction.
Encouragingly, members of the House have recently passed bills to enforce their understanding of what federal laws our nation demands and our Constitution permits—including reproductive freedom and voting rights. But the bills have all stalled in the Senate for two reasons that remain within its control. One, the filibuster, will be abolished as soon as 50 senators recognize that a permanently incapacitated Senate is far more destructive than an active Senate that might one day be controlled by an opposing party.
But the other obstacle may be more pernicious: a fear among legislators that there is no point to legislating if the Court will simply invalidate anything Congress achieves.
Yet as the Reconstruction Congress recognized, everything the Court has the power to do comes from federal statutes passed by Congress—statutes that a majority of Congress always has the power to amend. Conflicts over constitutional interpretation are not really over who has the best understanding of words inscribed in an old document. They are about who—or which actors in our system of national government—can deliver on a particular, and inherently contested, meaning in the context of our current times. It is a question of political leadership, not legalism.
There is nothing unconstitutional about Congress reasserting its authority to define the nation’s highest law. The experience of Reconstruction brings into view this firmly grounded practice. In fact, a surviving remnant of the Reconstruction Congress’s work—today codified in 42 U.S.C. § 1983—has underwritten some of the most famous cases in modern constitutional law. In Section 1983, Congress instructed federal courts to stop state or local officials from depriving anyone of their “rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution.” Section 1983 is what Oliver Brown invoked when he challenged Kansas’s segregation laws in Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, what “Jane Roe” invoked to challenge Texas’s abortion law in Roe v. Wade, and what James Obergefell invoked when he challenged Ohio’s same-sex-marriage ban in Obergefell v. Hodges. While these landmark cases invalidated state laws, the justices were following, not undermining, Congress’s orders. The decisions overruling state interpretations of the Constitution don’t represent judicial supremacy, but rather Congress’s ability to make and enforce national constitutional commitments.
Congressional checks on the Supreme Court are also very different from the calls for “nullification” by slaveholders before the Civil War, their descendants during the civil-rights movement, and Texas legislators today. The Civil War itself resolved that the representatives of states must enforce their constitutional interpretations not by defying the government created by the Constitution but by participating in it. For the past two centuries, Congress has been the branch of the federal government where our democracy’s pursuit of equal justice under law has most often been realized. The question is not whether some commitments—abolition, reproductive freedom, racial equality—are worth making supreme and constitutive of a national American identity. Rather, the question is who gets to decide the content of those commitments for all Americans: the 50 states, a five-justice majority, or our national legislature.
If the Court is today eviscerating those very constitutional commitments through its case law, Congress should enact or amend federal statutes to advance a different understanding of a nation built on democratic justice. It should reshape the Court’s ability to intervene in these disputes, including by restricting the Court’s authority to set aside federal legislation. And it should conscript the Court in enforcing federal commitments when resistant state officials brazenly declare that the national government has no jurisdiction to protect Americans from their parochial rule.
The thing stopping Congress from reversing each wrongheaded decision the Court issues this month therefore isn’t the Constitution. It’s our failure to demand more from our elected representatives.
The promise of a genuinely multiracial democracy will fade if Americans are unwilling to embrace structural reforms that can make our policies and our politics more responsive to majority rule. How Congress allocates the power to interpret the Constitution should be at the heart of those reforms. We simply cannot build a better politics if we don’t reclaim the authority of Congress to resolve our most fundamental disagreements. Rather than allow a handful of us to define the Constitution’s meaning in a mystical ritual each June, the rest of us should define it with the hard, messy work of American politics year-round.
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Well, duh. But it's going to stay that way, because that's how the Republicans want it.
Post by: Nintex on June 09, 2022, 04:34:18 PM
:maduro
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 09, 2022, 04:35:06 PM
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2022, 06:04:39 PM
Well, duh. But it's going to stay that way, because that's how the Republicans want it.That's how Congress wants it so they can say "unelected judges" took it out of their hands. It's not like the Court suddenly started striking down statutes in 2021.
Also hilarious that the authors write this:
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Decisions such as Citizens United and Shelby County are typical examples of how the Court has overruled Congress to make it harder for ordinary people to participate in American democracy on equal terms.As if the government banning the publication of books or criticism of politicians would make it easier for "ordinary people to participate in American democracy" on any terms, let alone equal ones.
I'm not sure the authors did a very good job of articulating how Congress could feasibly withdraw the power of judicial review from the courts.
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2022, 06:49:32 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 09, 2022, 09:48:01 PM
Post by: HaughtyFrank on June 09, 2022, 10:22:49 PM
This whole thing sure was fucked
Post by: Potato on June 09, 2022, 11:08:25 PM
Post by: Occam on June 09, 2022, 11:13:43 PM
Post by: Occam on June 09, 2022, 11:26:12 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/09/trying-prebut-jan-6-committee-mccarthy-reinforces-its-utility/
Post by: Nintex on June 10, 2022, 03:27:19 AM
Let's see how Donnie wiggles himself out of this jam
Post by: benjipwns on June 10, 2022, 09:27:02 AM
https://twitter.com/nandoodles/status/1534947445456703488Tweet is a little misleading, right in the story it says they're only really targeting Fox News' YouTube channel. There's no "ad network" to target on Fox News itself.
Post by: james on June 10, 2022, 09:39:10 AM
With this inflation, no one could afford one anyway. :fbm
Post by: james on June 10, 2022, 10:05:58 AM
My sugar baby told me she no longer accepts dicks under 6 inches :fbm
Homeless guy down the block no longer accepts coins :fbm
The toilets at my work bathroom now require a monthly subscription :fbm
Post by: james on June 10, 2022, 10:36:24 AM
Left and right, working together again.
He did it. The bastard did it.
He kept his promise.
Everyone is unified in hating him.
:fbm
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I told you stupid fucks to vote Bernie
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Post by: Nintex on June 10, 2022, 12:05:15 PM
:trumps
It's like the GOP supply of 'these type of guys' is simply endless :doge
https://twitter.com/KateHydeNY/status/1535335661120651266 (https://twitter.com/KateHydeNY/status/1535335661120651266)
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 10, 2022, 03:22:07 PM
Post by: james on June 10, 2022, 04:32:33 PM
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DAMN YOU JOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Post by: benjipwns on June 10, 2022, 05:45:36 PM
DAMN YOU JOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFACT CHECK:
Quote from: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/06/10/statement-by-president-biden-on-consumer-price-index-cpi-in-may/
Putin’s Price Hike hit hard in May here and around the world: high gas prices at the pump, energy, and food prices accounted for around half of the monthly price increases, and gas pump prices are up by $2 a gallon in many places since Russian troops began to threaten Ukraine.:putin
Post by: HaughtyFrank on June 10, 2022, 05:52:24 PM
https://twitter.com/KateHydeNY/status/1535335661120651266 (https://twitter.com/KateHydeNY/status/1535335661120651266)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soVK1Jo1xrA
Post by: benjipwns on June 10, 2022, 05:56:22 PM
Quote from: https://jacobin.com/2022/06/tinder-hinge-for-profit-dating-apps-socialize-democratization/
I’ve been thinking about dating apps recently because, like millions of Americans, I’m on them. I know a lot of people hate “the apps.” To be honest, I don’t mind them. They take a lot of the stress and ambiguity out of meeting people or asking someone out. But the longer I use these dating apps, the stranger the whole experience feels.:bernie
For one thing, quite a few of the suggested matches I’m seeing don’t make a ton of sense. I figure the algorithm has reached the point where the apps could predict my preferences pretty well. So even though I’m a pretty open-minded guy, I do have to wonder why I, as a democratic socialist of modest means and faith that the international working class shall free the human race, am regularly shown profiles of venture capitalists and Wall Street types.
I’ve also noticed that my use of the apps sometimes feels weirdly detached from the aim of actually trying to meet people. I open them just because a push notification has informed me that I have new recommended matches, or because “swipe surge is now in session”; soon the smooth-flowing interface is inviting me to peruse and “like” profiles. Not long after, colorful, eye-catching icons are gently persuading me to spend a few extra dollars for more matches or getting my profile seen by more people.
Before I know it, I find myself surrendering to the dull compulsion of algorithmic relations — even if I’m not actually interested in messaging anyone or going on a date anytime soon.
All of which got me thinking: What are these apps really for? I know what they are supposedly for for users like me, but what matters to the app owners is not getting their users good dates. What matters is that they can make money off of us.
With roughly one in five American adults estimated to have used online dating services in 2021, and at least one study showing that it’s now the most popular way for straight couples to meet, there has been no shortage of attention paid to the social and moral questions raised by online dating. But little has been said about one particular implication of the rise of dating apps and websites: the vast power it has given unaccountable, for-profit companies to manage how we meet potential romantic or sexual partners.
We could consciously uncouple our dating lives from the tyranny of the profit motive, though — with publicly owned apps that will democratize how we meet people online.
...
Here’s where the state would have an important role to play: in providing public funding for the development of cooperatively owned dating apps.
This idea isn’t as outlandish as it might seem: after all, even in the United States, governments already fund many cultural institutions for the benefit of their citizens’ quality of life: museums, the arts, research in the humanities, public parks, even nightlife. Dating apps are an increasingly important avenue for a central experience of being human. It makes sense for the government to devote public resources to them.
In fact, some countries are already paying to set up their own dating services. The Singaporean government’s Ministry of Social and Family Development has a webpage devoted to helping the uncoupled find partners; it advertises a government-run online dating portal, officially accredited dating agencies, and a “Partnership Fund” which “supports ideas and initiatives that you are passionate about to create opportunities to bring singles together.”
These government initiatives admittedly do have an ulterior motive — they’re trying to reverse sharply declining birth rates. Still, these programs show that there is nothing particularly strange or novel about publicly funded dating.
Corey Robin once wrote that “the point of socialism is to convert hysterical misery into ordinary unhappiness.” That goes for socializing online dating, too. It wouldn’t do away with the frustration or disappointment that many people experience on the apps or in dating more generally. But it could be an important step toward making a dating experience that’s about people instead of profit. Then we could swipe, not to create wealth for the capitalist class, but for the simple and essential purpose of finding a date.
Post by: BIONIC on June 10, 2022, 06:28:33 PM
/messy
Post by: Propagandhim on June 11, 2022, 04:32:55 AM
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 11, 2022, 08:25:02 PM
Post by: Occam on June 11, 2022, 11:23:08 PM
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NYtimes.com reported the attempted attack on Kavanaugh near the top of its website, which is where I read about it
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Post by: Occam on June 11, 2022, 11:40:35 PM
And this was the brainwashing/disinformation they showed instead:
https://news.yahoo.com/were-not-playing-along-how-fox-news-covered-the-jan-6-hearing-154636310.html
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 12, 2022, 04:01:26 AM
https://youtu.be/AGYJUofIxOY
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2022, 04:01:12 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU8WFhbaUAAIXyM?format=jpg&name=small)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU8WFhbaIAE7tyo?format=jpg&name=small)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU8WFhcaAAAt2mF?format=jpg&name=900x900)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU8WFhdaMAAytlZ?format=jpg&name=small)
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:bernie
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Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2022, 04:09:56 PM
Post by: Potato on June 12, 2022, 04:31:46 PM
https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1535369747491356672Ignorance and stupidity really are virtues in Republican America...
Post by: Occam on June 13, 2022, 08:41:34 AM
Dems should start repeating this simple statement all day, every day.
Post by: james on June 13, 2022, 10:40:26 AM
Trump caused the current inflation by increasing the deficit by $7.8 trillion (7,800,000,000,000 USD), an increase of 40% compared to the level of debt when Obama left office. And he gave a permanent tax cut to billionaires.
Dems should start repeating this simple statement all day, every day.
They should but then their donors would be mad because they enjoyed the sweet sweet tax cuts
Post by: Nintex on June 13, 2022, 02:10:54 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-27/the-trump-tax-cut-wasn-t-just-for-the-rich (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-27/the-trump-tax-cut-wasn-t-just-for-the-rich)
There are a couple of moves they could've made to prevent the high inflation (or prepare for it) but all the bright lights in the Biden administration said it was "transitionary" like their jobs.
Then they said: "Oops we were wrong we're going off the cliff now" next they blamed Putin and that's sort of where things stand. I think the inflation is less of a problem than most though, mostly because everything was frozen for 2 years.
The bigger problem is the inflation coupled with the lack of economic growth, crashing stocks and an adminstration that has already given up.
In any case the same people that couldn't get the economy running for Obama are now also failing Biden.
Same with foreign policy. The people that lost the Crimea to Russia and nearly lost Iraq and Syria to ISIS have already lost Afghanistan and are in the process of losing all of Ukraine to Russia and Taiwan to China.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 13, 2022, 02:32:28 PM
Trump caused the current inflation by increasing the deficit by $7.8 trillion (7,800,000,000,000 USD), an increase of 40% compared to the level of debt when Obama left office. And he gave a permanent tax cut to billionaires.
Dems should start repeating this simple statement all day, every day.
So what you're saying is that if obama had not had such a high debt, then an increase of 40% wouldn't be that bad.
thanks obama.
Post by: Potato on June 13, 2022, 03:00:34 PM
Trump caused the current inflation by increasing the deficit by $7.8 trillion (7,800,000,000,000 USD), an increase of 40% compared to the level of debt when Obama left office. And he gave a permanent tax cut to billionaires.Oh, so nothing to do with the massive levels of government stimulus spent around the world and the huge disruptions to the supply chain then? Just blame Trump? Cool, let's see how that works out for the Democrats.
Dems should start repeating this simple statement all day, every day.
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 13, 2022, 03:35:12 PM
Post by: BrokenVerses on June 13, 2022, 06:11:51 PM
Trump caused the current inflation by increasing the deficit by $7.8 trillion (7,800,000,000,000 USD), an increase of 40% compared to the level of debt when Obama left office. And he gave a permanent tax cut to billionaires.Oh, so nothing to do with the massive levels of government stimulus spent around the world and the huge disruptions to the supply chain then? Just blame Trump? Cool, let's see how that works out for the Democrats.
Dems should start repeating this simple statement all day, every day.
Trump was happy to take credit for the massive asset bubble that brewed up in the stock market due to monetary stimulus and he wanted his name to be attached to every stimulus check that got sent out during his administration so yes he deserves blame.
Of course the Democrats didn't oppose this either so they don't have an argument lol.
Post by: Nintex on June 13, 2022, 07:59:34 PM
He's running
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2022, 09:18:00 PM
Trump caused the current inflation by increasing the deficit by $7.8 trillion (7,800,000,000,000 USD), an increase of 40% compared to the level of debt when Obama left office. And he gave a permanent tax cut to billionaires.You think the Democrats should run on confusing deficit and debt when they wanted to spend trillions more this last year than they were able to except Manchin and Sinema stopped it? All while promoting MMT as Scientific Proof™ that deficits AND debt don't matter?
Dems should start repeating this simple statement all day, every day.
Post by: Occam on June 13, 2022, 10:59:09 PM
Trump caused the current inflation by increasing the deficit by $7.8 trillion (7,800,000,000,000 USD), an increase of 40% compared to the level of debt when Obama left office. And he gave a permanent tax cut to billionaires.You think the Democrats should run on confusing deficit and debt when they wanted to spend trillions more this last year than they were able to except Manchin and Sinema stopped it?
Dems should start repeating this simple statement all day, every day.
So you *do* agree that Trump is responsible for the current US inflation.
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All while promoting MMT as Scientific Proof™ that deficits AND debt don't matter?Didn't Republicans come up with that?
Of course the Democrats didn't oppose this either so they don't have an argument lol.I suppose so.
Anyway, my point was that it is idiotic to blame Biden for the current inflation because the former guy is responsible, while Biden on the other hand was unable to enact any of his policies.
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2022, 11:22:24 PM
And no, Republicans did not come up with MMT.
If Biden was unable to enact any of his policies then why has the baseline gone from $4.4 trillion and 21% of GDP in 2019 to project at $6.2 trillion and 24.5% of GDP and increasing from 2023 forward? (The deficit is projected to shrink, but remain and continue increasing debt as has been done since Coolidge, because they project massive tax increases on the middle class.) Because Biden and the Democrats took the 2020-2021 COVID baseline and locked in a large chunk of it as ongoing spending, Manchin and Sinema didn't block everything they just blocked it from increasing as much as Biden and the Democrats wanted which would have been like $8 trillion or some shit. It was all over the news. Biden isn't to blame for inflation but you can't point to the spending as causing it when you wanted to increase spending even more.
Post by: Occam on June 13, 2022, 11:26:49 PM
Obviously Trump increased the DEBT by $7.8 trillion, not the deficit, from $19.95 trillion to $27.76 trillion (=~40%).
My bad.
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2022, 11:38:38 PM
Post by: Occam on June 14, 2022, 12:16:23 AM
(As an aside, most of the stimulus was a huge waste because it eventually ended up in the accounts of the 1%; less than 10% of the stimulus money went to health care.)
Please note that I am not defending Democratic spending policy here. Both parties seem to be largely clueless about macro economics.
Post by: Occam on June 14, 2022, 12:33:25 AM
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BOGMBASE
That's how you create inflation. Considering how much was added since 2020, the purchasing power of the US dollar actually remains quite strong.
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2022, 12:36:30 AM
Post by: Occam on June 14, 2022, 12:49:33 AM
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2022, 12:55:24 AM
Post by: james on June 14, 2022, 01:01:23 AM
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But two actions on March 23 would swing investors from despair to relief, and reveal who really matters in America.
That morning, the Federal Reserve announced the deployment of additional “tools to support households, businesses, and the U.S. economy overall in this challenging time.” The measures included many actions taken during the 2008 financial crisis, with one new wrinkle: Direct purchases of corporate debt — the first nongovernment bond-buying in the Fed’s history — would now be allowed. Companies have swelled their borrowing in recent years, and experts have identified this as a source of serious economic risk. A sudden shock like the pandemic that wiped out revenues would not only cause bankruptcies, but also accelerate bond defaults, broadening stress throughout the financial system.
Backstopping corporate bond markets would support investors and capital owners. By the evening of March 23, investor confidence was lifted even further; reports announced progress on a record $2.2 trillion congressional rescue package, a large chunk of which would go to support the Fed’s interventions in corporate bond and other markets.
The mere announcement of future spending heartened investors, who have relied on Fed support since the last financial crisis. This explains the shocking dissonance between collapsing economic conditions and the relative comfort on Wall Street. Between March 23 and April 30, the Dow Jones Industrial Average rocketed nearly 6,000 points, a jump of nearly 31 percent, creating over $7 trillion in capital wealth. The April gains were the biggest in one month since 1987.
The same month, 20.5 million Americans lost their jobs.
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Dozens of companies, from troubled aircraft maker Boeing to airline Delta, from Exxon Mobil to T-Mobile, have been tapping credit markets they might never have been able to access, at lower rates than previously offered. The American Prospect and The Intercept have identified at least 49 large companies that have issued corporate bonds since the Federal Reserve announced that it would purchase them. For some, the benefit of cheaper borrowing was worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
“It is meaningfully changing the way investors are evaluating the risks for a swath of companies,” said Kathryn Judge, a law professor at Columbia University and expert in financial markets and regulations. The Fed’s support disproportionately flows to large corporations with access to credit markets, Joyce pointed out. “Small and midsized businesses with much more need are more likely to struggle.”
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In short, while activists nitpicked about which companies got small business grants worth $10 million, the real bailout, with trillions on the line rather than millions, was happening, quietly, at the Fed.
https://theintercept.com/2020/05/27/federal-reserve-corporate-debt-coronavirus/
This is what caused the issues today.
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2022, 01:06:42 AM
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2022, 02:41:45 AM
Quote from: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/chesa-boudin-recall-san-francisco-crime-left-liberals-defund-democrats.html
The left’s response to Boudin’s recall is instructive. The voters who decided to recall their left-wing prosecutor were simply confused. “Why is recalling a prosecutor supposed to be an answer to homelessness? How is the mythic fusion of CRIMEANDHOMELESSNESS supposed to translate into any sort of ‘stark warning’ on these two separate policy questions?” demanded Tom Scocca. “Perhaps more than anything, Boudin’s recall shows how inchoate anger over the visible symptoms of inequality — homelessness, public drug use, property crime — can crystallize into a renunciation of an individual politician, even as voters broadly desire the policies that politician champions,” concludes Piper French.Good discourse in the replies to this tweet:
The biggest takeaway from Boudin’s decisive defeat, according to the left, is that voters really like Boudin’s policies.
A different explanation is that Boudin made himself the focal point of frustration with lawlessness because he loudly communicated the idea that enforcing the law was not his priority. He vowed “the tough-on-crime policies and rhetoric of the 1990s and early 2000s are on their way out,” criticized Mayor London Breed for cracking down on drug dealers, and promised not to charge quality-of-life offenses like “public camping, offering or soliciting sex, public urination, blocking a sidewalk.”
It may be true that the underlying cause of homelessness lies outside of Boudin’s control. But given that he publicly articulated a change in policy in handling the symptoms of that crisis, it’s hardly a surprise that voters would fault him when the symptoms worsen.
Boudin represents the long tail of a disastrously misconceived response by progressives to the problem of abusive and racist policing. The best available model for effective reform of urban policing could be found in Camden, New Jersey, which dissolved its corrupt and racist police force and reconstituted the department. The Camden model required spending more money for better and more accountable public safety.
This model, however, did not have intrinsic appeal to progressive activists. Instead, activist groups settled on a slogan of defunding the police. The advantage of this approach is that, first, it neatly fudged the difference between activists who favored reducing spending on the police and more radical activists who favored outright police abolition. (Defund can mean either decreasing funds or zeroing them out.) And second, by framing the police problem as one of resources, it avoided the need to discomfit labor by confronting the power of police unions (which make it difficult to fire even the most violent and bigoted cops). Instead, it held out the possibility of redistributing resources from policing to other government agencies, an additional carrot for government employees.
One norm that has taken hold within the progressive movement is a taboo against expressing frontal disagreement with progressive activists, which is disdained as “scolding.” (The activists themselves, of course, are free to castigate liberals and moderates as openly as they wish.) Since every issue on the left has affiliated activists, the practical effect of the anti-scolding norm is to make it difficult to identify and correct misguided ideas on the left, at least openly. Many progressives have quietly backed away from defunding without repudiating its underlying premises.
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The left’s response to these reversals has been to portray voters as the victims of brainwashing by conservative media.
“Congratulations to San Francisco’s hysterically reactionary media for carrying this Koch-funded recall over the finish line, ensuring that reforming America’s brutal criminal justice system drifts ever-further out of reach,” wrote Dave Roberts. “The media, and particularly local television news, tends to cover crime a lot, in part because of the perception that this draws viewers,” wrote Perry Bacon, making a more considered version of the same argument. “And both national and local newspapers tend to be owned and run by more moderate figures, be wary of left-wing causes and find the left to be a useful foil to demonstrate to conservatives that they aren’t too liberal. As a result, news coverage in these races becomes very favorable to politicians like Adams and unfavorable to ones like Boudin.”
Why Black, Latino and Asian American Democrats would be more susceptible to reactionary media propaganda than white Democrats, they have not explained.
The obsession with the media does at least point toward a strategic answer to the problem. If the left could gain the same level of control over mainstream media that conservatives hold over right-wing media, you could at least imagine a world in which voters in blue America could be coaxed away from worrying about crime and instead worry about the things progressives want them to worry about.
https://twitter.com/alexburnsNYT/status/1535592608491360256
You see the actual takeway like any election result is that you shou-SHUT THE FUCK UP THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED UNTIL YOU END CAPITALISM (Also, Chait said something stupid at least once so anything he says is a right-wing fascist lie intended to give false consciousness to the proletariat.)
Post by: james on June 14, 2022, 10:20:20 AM
Infiltrate the drug rings
Sell the drugs very cheap
Add cyanide to the drugs
Arrest the drug people for the thousands of cyanide deaths
No more druggies, no more drug dealers. Clean streets. Win win!
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 14, 2022, 10:40:31 AM
My 4 point plan to clean up San Francisco:
Infiltrate the drug rings
Sell the drugs very cheap
Add cyanide to the drugs
Arrest the drug people for the thousands of cyanide deaths
No more druggies, no more drug dealers. Clean streets. Win win!
Use the drug money to buy weapons for South American dictatorships
Post by: james on June 14, 2022, 10:46:27 AM
My 4 point plan to clean up San Francisco:
Infiltrate the drug rings
Sell the drugs very cheap
Add cyanide to the drugs
Arrest the drug people for the thousands of cyanide deaths
No more druggies, no more drug dealers. Clean streets. Win win!
Use the drug money to buy weapons for South American dictatorships
Good point I forgot we need to do something with the excess cash. I would buy El Salvador its on sale
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 14, 2022, 10:55:05 AM
You see the actual takeway like any election result is that you shou-SHUT THE FUCK UP THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED UNTIL YOU END CAPITALISM (Also, Chait said something stupid at least once so anything he says is a right-wing fascist lie intended to give false consciousness to the proletariat.)
good thing I've already ended capitalism and in fact end capitalism anew every time I meditate at the Shingon temple down the street.
Post by: Nintex on June 14, 2022, 02:19:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrQsJ-RRjkQ
Post by: Occam on June 14, 2022, 03:08:05 PM
Post by: Nintex on June 14, 2022, 06:05:15 PM
Post by: Nintex on June 14, 2022, 07:12:31 PM
:doge
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 14, 2022, 07:51:33 PM
(https://www.thecoli.com/media/cb4-mjlol.20162/full?lightbox=1&last_edit_date=1580256888)
Post by: james on June 14, 2022, 09:01:56 PM
:pika
Post by: james on June 14, 2022, 11:29:33 PM
:pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika
:pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika
:pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika
:pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika :pika
There are receipts
Post by: Transhuman on June 15, 2022, 12:32:41 AM
:gurl
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2022, 02:54:17 AM
Post by: chronovore on June 15, 2022, 04:21:41 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVOb084VsAIRjbN?format=jpg&name=small)
I don’t know whether or not you are sarcastically posting about the lack of free speech in America because somebody can’t “joke“ about wishing for the POTUS’ death. Having an elected official put that idea out into the populace elicits a stronger response, has a greater chance of them than acting on it. It is encouraging a threat to the life of our president.
I’d love to have the usual amount of attention from the Secret Service applied to Boebert, her associations, her background, where she has been receiving and where she has applied her money, etc. Ruin the little idiot, loudmouth hypocrite.
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2022, 04:24:41 AM
Plus I think He'd take the Fifth rather than cooperate with the investigation.
Post by: james on June 15, 2022, 08:21:55 AM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on June 15, 2022, 09:25:23 AM
Post by: Nintex on June 15, 2022, 03:14:31 PM
You know who didn't need emergency powers to get shit done even though he had a pandemic to give himself ultimate power like most European governments did
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:trumps
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Post by: james on June 15, 2022, 03:21:45 PM
Post by: Nintex on June 15, 2022, 04:14:47 PM
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1537111575420616713 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1537111575420616713)
:pika
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 15, 2022, 04:45:20 PM
Post by: Nintex on June 15, 2022, 04:51:49 PM
Apparently she won a seat that was blue for 150 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4L8PHBowpk
Post by: benjipwns on June 16, 2022, 09:55:36 AM
:pikaNot every President can be as good as Jimmy Carter though, it's not wise to hold everyone to apparently near impossible standards.
Post by: james on June 16, 2022, 02:10:48 PM
Post by: Nintex on June 16, 2022, 03:45:38 PM
January 6 TV drama didn't work, let's attack Trump's African American guy Jack :biden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh4n9gZxfmI
The Biden people don't even show up to work lmao.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 16, 2022, 08:47:45 PM
Post by: Potato on June 16, 2022, 10:09:42 PM
https://www.uclahealth.org/news/LeuchterNEJM2022The fact that this is not "off topic" for the US politics thread is alarming.
Post by: BisMarckie on June 17, 2022, 05:19:04 AM
This study is obviously wrong
Post by: HaughtyFrank on June 17, 2022, 07:28:40 AM
https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1537731555463942147
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 17, 2022, 07:32:59 AM
Post by: Nintex on June 17, 2022, 01:33:16 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/poll-biden-disapproval-hits-new-high-as-more-americans-say-they-would-vote-for-trump-090021657.html (https://news.yahoo.com/poll-biden-disapproval-hits-new-high-as-more-americans-say-they-would-vote-for-trump-090021657.html)
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Among all Americans, Trump (43%) now has a higher personal favorability rating than Biden (40%) as well.You think it's just another poll, than you notice the D+7 sample. :pika
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWax94VH0Qk
Post by: Nintex on June 18, 2022, 11:19:25 AM
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1538176170868473858 (https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1538176170868473858)
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 18, 2022, 11:22:30 AM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 18, 2022, 11:36:22 AM
Ehh on second view he gets his foot caught in the pedal strap, shit happens :biden
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2022, 12:31:41 PM
https://twitter.com/BenjaminSoholt/status/1537593842861453313
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 18, 2022, 12:36:25 PM
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2022, 12:38:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVdnIWGWUAUJO0w?format=jpg&name=small)
:delicious
Post by: Nintex on June 18, 2022, 01:00:13 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVdm6-lUEAEK62b?format=jpg&name=small)dude looks like he's having a nervous breakdown in his profile image lmao
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVdnIWGWUAUJO0w?format=jpg&name=small)
:delicious
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 19, 2022, 12:57:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu9JGK_yHo
Post by: Nintex on June 20, 2022, 02:23:20 PM
*in Minecraft, right?
Post by: james on June 20, 2022, 05:51:26 PM
There are no guns in minecraft. All distance murders must be done via bow and arrow
Post by: Occam on June 21, 2022, 01:35:53 AM
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[...] Over the weekend, while many Americans were celebrating the 167th anniversary of Juneteenth (when Union Gen. Gordon Granger, in Galveston, Tex., delivered the order abolishing slavery) the Texas Republican Party voted on a platform declaring that federal laws it dislikes “should be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified.”
The proposed platform (it’s expected to be approved when votes are tallied) adds: “Texas retains the right to secede from the United States, and the Texas Legislature should be called upon to pass a referendum consistent thereto.” It wants the secession referendum “in the 2023 general election for the people of Texas to determine whether or not the State of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation.
[...]
”In democracy’s place, the Republican Party, which enjoys one-party rule in Texas, is effectively proposing a church state. If you liked Crusader states and Muslim caliphates, you’ll love the Confederate Theocracy of Texas.
The Texas GOP platform gives us a good idea what such a paradise for Christian nationalists would look like. Texas would officially declare that “homosexuality is an abnormal lifestyle choice.” It would redefine marriage as a “covenant only between one biological man and one biological woman,” and it would “nullify” any court rulings to the contrary. (The gay Log Cabin Republicans were banned from setting up a booth at the convention.) It would fill schools with “prayer, the Bible, and the Ten Commandments” but ban “the teaching of sex education.” It would abolish all abortions and require students to “learn about the Humanity of the Preborn Child.”
The Texas Theocracy, which maintains that President Biden “was not legitimately elected,” would keep only traces of democracy. It wants the Voting Rights Act of 1965 “repealed,” and it would rewrite the state constitution to empower minority rule by small, rural (and White) counties. It would rescind voters’ right to elect senators and the Constitution’s guarantee of birthright citizenship.
The Texas Theocracy would probably be broke; it wants to abolish the federal income tax, “Axe the Property Tax” and do away with the estate tax and various business taxes. Yet it is planning a hawkish foreign policy! The platform argues that Texas is currently “under an active invasion” and should take “any and all appropriate measures the sovereign state defines as necessary to defend” itself. It imagines attacks by a “One World Government, or The Great Reset” — an internet-born conspiracy belief — and proposes “withdrawal from the current United Nations.” The Theocracy would put the “wild” back in the West, abolishing the minimum wage, environmental and banking regulations, and “red-flag” laws or waiting periods to prevent dangerous people from buying guns.
Above all, the Confederate Theocracy of Texas would be defined by thought police. It would penalize “woke corporations” and businesses that disagree with the theocracy over abortion, race, trans rights and the “inalienable right to refuse vaccination.”
Government programs would be stripped of “education involving race.” Evolution and climate change “shall be taught as challengeable scientific theories subject to change.” There would be a “complete repeal of the hate crime laws.” The Texas Revolution “shall not be ‘reimagined’” in a way the theocracy finds “disrespectful.” Confederate monuments “shall be protected,” “plaques honoring the Confederate widows” restored, and lessons on “the tyrannical history of socialism” required.
In their platform, the Texas Republicans invoked “God” or the “Creator” 18 times and “sovereignty” or sovereign power 24 times. And the word “democracy”? Only once — in reference to China.
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2022, 12:26:41 PM
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2022, 12:31:31 PM
The Pornography Crisis is so out of control that they listed it twice:
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149. Pornography Crisis: The State of Texas shall recognize that pornography is a public health hazard.
150. Ban on Exposing Minors to Pornography Online: We call upon our elected leaders to compel any websites displaying pornographic content in Texas to implement age verification for preventing minors from accessing the content, and to block or punish any such websites that continue to make such material available to minors.
151. Pornography Crisis: The State of Texas shall recognize that pornography and pedophilia are public health hazards.
Post by: james on June 21, 2022, 12:52:45 PM
Post by: Nintex on June 21, 2022, 02:06:01 PM
https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1538970283561738240 (https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1538970283561738240)
:trumps
Post by: Occam on June 21, 2022, 03:35:18 PM
Post by: Nintex on June 21, 2022, 07:08:29 PM
We've come full circle
Post by: BIONIC on June 21, 2022, 07:10:30 PM
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2022, 07:39:30 PM
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1539052492780077057
Post by: chronovore on June 21, 2022, 08:13:00 PM
Jesus, what a dickbag.
Post by: Occam on June 21, 2022, 10:22:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZZ2Y6fAq8o
Jesus, what a dickbag.
leads to that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewbu6Mx7P-M&t=0
I for one am shocked. Shocked!
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2022, 10:36:31 PM
Post by: Occam on June 21, 2022, 10:36:40 PM
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2022, 10:51:48 PM
Post by: chronovore on June 22, 2022, 12:37:16 AM
Never thought I'd Like a Liz Cheney tweet.
Post by: Occam on June 22, 2022, 04:01:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng6SO1jGojw
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 22, 2022, 12:36:22 PM
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Holder had access to Trump, as well as his family members and associates, while directing a documentary series surrounding the final six weeks of the former president's reelection campaign in 2020. He said the footage he turned over includes interviews with Trump and his family leading up to the election, as well as never-before-seen footage of the Capitol riot.
This is wild.
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The magazine reported that several former officials on Trump's reelection campaign have claimed they did not know that the documentary about his reelection campaign was being filmed in the first place, and heard about it for the first time after seeing the Politico report about the subpoena.
"What the f*** is this?" a former top Trump 2020 official messaged the publication after seeing the news.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/alex-holder-jan-6-committee-subpoena-1371644/
:snoop
Post by: Nintex on June 22, 2022, 01:06:05 PM
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"What the f*** is this?"
I really miss this genre of white house 'sources' commenting on current events.
Especially when you could tell that it was either Trump or Jared himself.
:trumps
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2022, 02:07:50 AM
https://twitter.com/jacobgrier/status/1539330490691223552
:american :american :american :american
Post by: jorma on June 23, 2022, 02:41:04 AM
us democrats after the election: we will expand the war on drugs!
This would be way funnier if i wasn't so invested in weedstocks :lol
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:cry
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Post by: Nintex on June 23, 2022, 02:57:55 AM
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 23, 2022, 12:15:01 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 23, 2022, 12:16:37 PM
If I was in the tobacco business, I'd start getting tik tok influencers to push smoking on kids. Its like the perfect fucking audience, they will do anything the influencers say. And you can funnel all the money through china, so the media will just blame winnie the pooh whilst your stocks go up. Make smoking great again.Lung Capacity Challenge
Post by: Nintex on June 23, 2022, 02:16:27 PM
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1540020170390851584 (https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1540020170390851584)
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1540018622860517377 (https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1540018622860517377)
https://twitter.com/alexjholder/status/1540034384014807043 (https://twitter.com/alexjholder/status/1540034384014807043)
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1539972811623501827 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1539972811623501827)
:trumps
Post by: HaughtyFrank on June 23, 2022, 05:02:50 PM
Documentary looks good though
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 23, 2022, 05:29:24 PM
So the committee just gets the edited documentary? I'd have figured they could get some raw footage.
Documentary looks good though
They asked the film maker for raw footage and they seemingly cooperated.
Post by: Nintex on June 23, 2022, 05:57:16 PM
It's sort of a question of what will implode first, the Biden or the Trump circus :doge
Post by: Potato on June 23, 2022, 06:35:32 PM
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1540086506030768128 (https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1540086506030768128)As someone who writes and prepares public figures and politicians for speeches and events, this type of thing is not uncommon.
It's sort of a question of what will implode first, the Biden or the Trump circus :doge
It's not the "Biden is senile" smoking gun that Greg "God is real and dudes rock | Crossing state lines enthusiast | Philly guy | Senior Digital Strategist" Price thinks it is.
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2022, 10:56:21 PM
He should take somebody else's seat. Deal with it, Jack. :biden
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2022, 11:28:51 PM
:american
Post by: OnlyRegret on June 24, 2022, 01:09:33 AM
"YOU take YOUR seat."
He should take somebody else's seat. Deal with it, Jack. :biden
our seat :ussrcry
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2022, 04:35:13 AM
https://twitter.com/maxberger/status/1540007665186775041
:hmm I feel like I've heard this kind of thing before somewhere. :hmm
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 24, 2022, 10:55:38 AM
Post by: BrokenVerses on June 24, 2022, 12:37:22 PM
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should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell
Lovely.
Post by: Nintex on June 24, 2022, 01:57:34 PM
https://twitter.com/RepLizCheney/status/1540361645159055360 (https://twitter.com/RepLizCheney/status/1540361645159055360)
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1540376949905915904 (https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1540376949905915904)
How are Democrats this dumb :pika
Now they're giving Trump the credit :dead
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This probably seemed like a good idea at the time
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Post by: MMaRsu on June 24, 2022, 02:22:07 PM
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Post by: Bebpo on June 24, 2022, 02:33:50 PM
Feel for all the women out there. Also this effects men too since it costs the men their money to raise kids they can't afford. In a just world this would be the point when people stop being apathetic and real change starts to happen in the USA.
But I doubt it. People are lazy and will attend a few protests and nothing will happen and then the SC will get rid of gay marriage and other rights one by one. Feels pretty likely the GOP takes over all the branches soon with how fucked the world is right now and cements their eternal rule for the short amount of USA left by speedruning global warming and the erasure of humanity from the planet. Death cult will be death culting.
Will continue to look into Canadian exodus once we reach a more stable stage of the pandemic.
Post by: HaughtyFrank on June 24, 2022, 02:41:58 PM
https://twitter.com/SpeakFreely55/status/1540394913421852672
What was actually the official reason for why made a new decision on Roe v. Wade? I'd imagined there'd need to be a pressing concern for a court to just overturn their old ruling.
Post by: Tuckers Law on June 24, 2022, 03:06:13 PM
This is kinda wild (though not sure if this is really perjury, it's more like an opinion after all)
https://twitter.com/SpeakFreely55/status/1540394913421852672
What was actually the official reason for why made a new decision on Roe v. Wade? I'd imagined there'd need to be a pressing concern for a court to just overturn their old ruling.
The checks finally cleared.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 24, 2022, 03:22:12 PM
Post by: james on June 24, 2022, 04:04:23 PM
Post by: Occam on June 24, 2022, 04:16:30 PM
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 24, 2022, 04:22:48 PM
Bernie would've exiled the SC to Alaska by now.
Post by: Lonewulfeus on June 24, 2022, 04:36:53 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on June 24, 2022, 05:03:50 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/ampol_moment/status/1540362010080301060
https://mobile.twitter.com/therecount/status/1540353602274959361
:usacry :tauntaun
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 24, 2022, 05:06:06 PM
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Post by: Nintex on June 24, 2022, 05:10:58 PM
https://twitter.com/NYTNational/status/1540441660504637441 (https://twitter.com/NYTNational/status/1540441660504637441)
Post by: Uncle on June 24, 2022, 05:14:19 PM
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2022, 05:45:09 PM
If only there had been more freedom of speech in America, surely this could have been prevented.You're not doing well to dispel notions that you aren't just an authoritarian.
Post by: Nintex on June 24, 2022, 05:52:42 PM
what are they doing
Post by: Uncle on June 24, 2022, 06:01:14 PM
https://twitter.com/FarnoushAmiri/status/1540370901803433984 (https://twitter.com/FarnoushAmiri/status/1540370901803433984)
what are they doing
I have heard this is just a very poorly timed event, this was not about roe v. wade but due to their pride in passing really significant gun reform
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2022, 06:25:54 PM
It's sort of a self-own for the Florida Swingers Club too :dogeMeanwhile, publicly:
Quote from: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-praises-supreme-court-decision-overturning-roe-v-wade
EXCLUSIVE: Former President Donald Trump praised the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade Friday, telling Fox News that the ruling "will work out for everybody."
"This is following the Constitution, and giving rights back when they should have been given long ago," Trump told Fox News.
When asked if he had a message for any of his supporters who may be pro-choice, Trump told Fox News: "I think, in the end, this is something that will work out for everybody."
"This brings everything back to the states where it has always belonged," Trump said.
When asked whether he feels he played a role in the reversal of Roe v. Wade, after having appointed three conservative justices to the high court, the former president told Fox News: "God made the decision."
Post by: Propagandhim on June 24, 2022, 09:21:50 PM
Edit:. Beaten. :(
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 24, 2022, 10:11:05 PM
Post by: chronovore on June 24, 2022, 10:28:12 PM
Public open carry established.
Religious schools required to benefit from state funds in Maine.
What the actual fuck is wrong with my broken country? I’m
Post by: HaughtyFrank on June 24, 2022, 10:45:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bN0E2Td.png)
How are these people even functioning
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2022, 12:25:58 AM
:teehee
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Post by: Occam on June 25, 2022, 12:53:32 AM
If only there had been more freedom of speech in America, surely this could have been prevented.You're not doing well to dispel notions that you aren't just an authoritarian.
You keep claiming with a straight face that hate speech cannot lead to physical harm.
That disinformation has no adverse effects.
That allowing a vast propaganda network to create an alternate reality where up is down and left is right is not detrimental to democracy AND FREEDOM.
Well, here we go.
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2022, 01:10:31 AM
You keep claiming with a straight face that hate speech cannot lead to physical harm.You're going to have to explain who should have been imprisoned for what, when, and for how long to stop the tens of millions strong anti-abortion movement that nearly got Roe overturned thirty years ago, after Republicans had appointed eight of the nine Justices, except that David Souter had fooled H.W. Bush and John Sununu. You'll also have to be pretty specific to avoid it looking like a vague suggestion that Richard Nixon should have simply outlawed democracy by decree.
That disinformation has no adverse effects.
That allowing a vast propaganda network to create an alternate reality where up is down and left is right is not detrimental to democracy AND FREEDOM.
Well, here we go.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2022, 02:42:58 AM
This is kinda wild (thouuugh not sure if this is really perjury, it's more like an opinion after all)
https://twitter.com/SpeakFreely55/status/1540394913421852672
What was actually the official reason for why made a new decision on Roe v. Wade? I'd imagined there'd need to be a pressing concern for a court to just overturn their old ruling.
“Actually, I changed my mind. It’s time for the Law of Amy.” :klob
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2022, 03:11:20 AM
What was actually the official reason for why made a new decision on Roe v. Wade? I'd imagined there'd need to be a pressing concern for a court to just overturn their old ruling.Mississippi attempted to move up the date when abortion bans begin, this was contested to the Supreme Court. When evaluating cases the Supreme Court is essentially empowered to make any ruling it wishes on the subject, being bound by precedent is custom but not required. There was fairly decent grounds to write Mississippi's law into the precedent (and it's what I assumed Roberts would attempt to gain a majority for so I was skeptical of the Alito draft) but they decided six seats is too good of opportunity to pass up. While traditionally the Court will try to write rulings narrowly to mildly change precedent slowly, especially under Roberts, it's not uncommon at all for the Court to simply overturn a previous ruling. Many of the most famous cases are doing exactly that, probably the biggest one being Brown v. Board overturning Plessy v. Ferguson, which first held then reversed that racial segregation was lawful.
Republican Justices have long wanted to overturn Roe, even Democrats didn't like the logic of the ruling not that they were going to overturn it, it almost got overturned in 1992 but four Republican appointees and a Democrat appointee rewrote Roe with Casey and expanded what could be restricted, the other four Republican appointees (yes, they had eight out of nine) were willing to just scrap the entire thing. They couldn't scrap Casey as long as Kennedy was the swing seat but Trump was able to replace him, Scalia and add another Justice to give a cushion but it turned out they weren't losing Roberts after all.
I don't think Dobbs was a test case to get Casey back in front of the Justices, Mississippi probably imagined they would just get it written into Casey if they won, but the subject did allow the Justices to revisit Casey and Roe.
Hopefully the Justices will use the opportunity of getting the win on Roe to invalidate Texas' SR8 since they no longer need to try to find ways to undermine Roe and don't have to treat it as an "abortion" case now.
Post by: jorma on June 25, 2022, 03:56:45 AM
Maybe the strict hate speech laws in Germany doesn't do much to prevent much of anything in regards to women's rights. Maybe it's actually the other way around since German doctors up until just now weren't even allowed to inform women of their right to abort a foster :lol
Post by: Occam on June 25, 2022, 04:51:04 AM
Here is an article that sums it up nicely, in my opinion.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/29/why-america-needs-hate-speech-law/
Contrary to the words benjipwns keeps putting in my mouth, what I have suggested isn't authoritarianism leading to prison sentences but a modernised version of the fairness doctrine that encompasses all news information media platforms. How to bring this about, I have no idea. But the fairness doctrine of old did work, it successfully prevented alternative realities not grounded in actual reality from emerging because people were subjected to competing ideas from the entire spectrum, leading to a popular consensus of what is real, shared by most people. Except for a few radicals on the fringes, who remained just there, on the fringes.
I don't know what kind of solution benji is suggesting. Any faith in the courts to uphold even basic freedoms seems somewhat misplaced when (as has just been shown) precedent doesn't matter and previous decisions can be overturned at will by a handful of religious nuts in the Supreme Court.
What just happened was pretty much a foregone conclusion after Ruth Bader Ginsburg died. I don't know if he actually had the power to do this, but if so, Biden should have stacked the Supreme Court. That was his one and only chance to prevent the downfall of America caused by minority rule, by making Gerrymandering illegal, preventing party financing corruption and retaining reproductive rights.
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2022, 05:22:09 AM
You responded to the Court opening the door to the restricting of one constitutional right by saying we should further restrict the constitutional right that protects the ability to advocate for the first rights restoration. And then when asked for specifics about how exactly you want to restrict the most essential human right in a way that could work to accomplish what you desire, and especially a theory of how this would have worked historically, you point to something that was completely irrelevant and never worked as you think it did while refusing to elaborate further. This seems like only the target, the people's right to think about and advocate for policy changes, is what matters not the alleged goal of convincing the people to work to create a Supreme Court that will reverse itself again. Not only is your theory predicated on the people who wanted books about politicians banned, wrote the Patriot Act or is Donald Trump never using your modest proposal to silence anyone who advocates for abortion or expanding democracy or whatever else but it also seems to be predicated on the idea that you simply outline the vague and broad solution, apparently always restricting freedom of speech and throwing people in jail when they speak in ways the powerful disfavor, and any of the specifics can just be worked out from there. It's a strange advocacy to broadly advocate for removing the underpinning of democracy in the name of democracy, especially when the alleged goal is to find something that will lead to the people to seek to expand the protection of their rights.
I also find it interesting how so many people who want so many more things illegal also often seem to believe that the law won't actually get enforced. A reality with a benign theory of governance where the philosopher kings like themselves will dictate and all the people will happily obey out of gratitude.
Post by: Occam on June 25, 2022, 05:26:56 AM
Maybe they could overturn Loving v. Virginia next. Because, why not.
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2022, 05:48:55 AM
Post by: Nintex on June 25, 2022, 06:18:04 AM
The majority of Hispanic and Latino Americans are Christians (76%) and looking at the numbers abortions aren't very popular among Asians, Indians and Muslims either.
At the same time out of all those religious people there's probably a only fraction that wants a full blanket ban on all abortions.
If anything throughout history Christians have been more creative in 'explaining' the bible than they are about living by its rules.
Republicans have always walked on egg shells on this issue so apart from deep red states they can't just ban all abortions without a significant blowback.
At the same time Democrats won't be able to get the center to sign up for unrestricted and unlimited tax-payer funded abortions for birthing people.
It should be easy to a get a majority to sign on to a 'common sense' abortion guideline similar to what is available in Europe and that can now be done state by state.
If anything that is what the Democrats should've done years ago.
Post by: Occam on June 25, 2022, 11:04:55 AM
By the way, you keep bringing up the slippery slope you dread, yet none of the laws designed to protect groups of people from hatred in many western nations have resulted in any slipping. For instance, there is no mass incarnation in Europe (unlike in the US of A).
Post by: Occam on June 25, 2022, 12:16:57 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/clarence-thomas-calls-supreme-court-171801459.html
I am shocked! Shocked, I tell you.
Post by: Uncle on June 25, 2022, 12:18:13 PM
Benji, I am still waiting for your suggestions what should be done to fix America's problems. Unless you think there is nothing wrong.
By the way, you keep bringing up the slippery slope you dread, yet none of the laws designed to protect groups of people from hatred in many western nations have resulted in any slipping. For instance, there is no mass incarnation in Europe (unlike in the US of A).
you could argue that a guy getting arrested for teaching a dog to raise his paw and heil as a dumb joke is already falling down the slippery slope
numerous cases of people being arrested for tweets that might not even be bad enough to earn you a brief ban on many sites
increasingly invasive attacks on personal freedoms being only narrowly avoided, like article 13 banning even the most minor uses of copyrighted material online (https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-article-13-copyright-brexit), or the attempt to ban porn
these kind of discussions only come up when you've already decided it's ok to limit free expression, and now it's just a matter of determining further degrees
also, much of europe's ability to continue to express itself freely is due to the fact that most of the big sites are hosted in the US which DOES have those protections
Post by: Occam on June 25, 2022, 12:23:42 PM
Edit: I looked up the dog case.
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Mark Meechan, 29, taught the pug, named Buddha, to respond with the Nazi salute when prompted by statements such as “Heil Hitler” and “gas the Jews.”So it wasn't just the nazi salute, he also thought gassing Jews was a funny joke. What a dolt.
The guy was eventually fined 800 pounds. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Post by: Uncle on June 25, 2022, 12:41:48 PM
he was drunk at the time, thought better of it and deleted it 20 minutes later, but as we all know the damage had already been done :gbcry
imagine being arrested for saying "can't wait for these supreme court justices to retire in the manner of RBG"
Post by: Occam on June 25, 2022, 01:10:09 PM
I don't think any other European nations have laws a strict as that, and this goes way beyond hate speech laws.
Post by: Occam on June 25, 2022, 01:12:12 PM
Clarence Thomas calls for Supreme Court to 'reconsider' gay marriage, contraception after Roe v. Wade falls
https://news.yahoo.com/clarence-thomas-calls-supreme-court-171801459.html
Post by: Propagandhim on June 25, 2022, 01:16:48 PM
Lol...
Post by: Occam on June 25, 2022, 02:20:03 PM
Bid farewell to these United States of America.
Post by: VomKriege on June 25, 2022, 05:01:26 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/CjQCd7V.png)
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2022, 07:16:23 PM
Benji, I am still waiting for your suggestions what should be done to fix America's problems. Unless you think there is nothing wrong.When somebody advocates where I can respond for my fellow citizens (but not themselves) to face the prospect of jail time or worse for the use of an essential human right on the basis of "it'll work this time, trust me bro" I do feel a little entitled to ask questions and possibly even object on their behalf without having to propose a counter "solution" such a person would find acceptable since I think that further maintaining rights and liberal democracy is the solution, not continuing to eliminate them and pursuing despotism.
You seem to blindly trust an Obama or Trump or Robespierre (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_22_Prairial#Purpose) not to use the power you want to give them, I don't, given well, you know, the history and all.
Assume for the sake of argument that the Fairness Doctrine actually did work as you think it did, if it was reinstated it wouldn't apply to anything on the internet, it wouldn't apply to Fox News, CNN or MSNBC, it wouldn't apply to any newspapers, etc. You know who it would really change? Public broadcasting, who would be forced to platform Trump supporters and similar. This surely can't be your intended goal, to make the news coverage most likely aligned with your worldview extremely more pro-Trump and open to radical views than it is currently and has been for forty years. If you want to expand it to reach all those things then you're targeting the First Amendment itself by beginning back down the path to compelled speech. And if your concern is the recent ruling, I honestly can't fathom why you would want red states to start prosecuting people who advocate solely for abortion now that it's left up to each state.
If your proposal only has foreseeable downsides why should I (or anyone else) want it? Because you think it might work, even though you can't articulate an upside, so we're obligated to have our rights restricted for you? A very odd request I think.
You seem to think that freedom of speech, press, thought, assembly, etc. are trifling things that should be cast aside so self-chosen elite like Donald Trump can use the state to pursue those who offend him or threaten his power. I consider this to be rather short-sighted and ignorant given again, the history. Especially if your concern is protecting abortion rights considering advocacy is the only reasonable democratic path to do so unless your interest is in merely attempting to force a minority view (or even a majority view though not in this case) on the populace by restricting their rights. Which again, the history.
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2022, 07:20:41 PM
What just happened was pretty much a foregone conclusion after Ruth Bader Ginsburg died. I don't know if he actually had the power to do this, but if so, Biden should have stacked the Supreme Court.
White House: Biden doesn’t support expanding Supreme Court, despite disagreementsOf course, Biden cannot do this, he is not a dictator as you wish, he doesn't have support for it in the legislature even if he himself did not oppose it as he has forever.
Bid farewell to these United States of America.
If you don't know anything about the United States why are you so desperate to "improve" it by shredding its democracy without informing yourself about it first?
Post by: Nintex on June 25, 2022, 07:27:10 PM
Guess they kept the Super TiVo :trumps
Post by: Occam on June 25, 2022, 11:42:45 PM
I think that further maintaining rights and liberal democracy is the solution
That doesn't answer my question. The American Taliban will do away with those rights soon enough, as they see fit. The process is already well underway. How would you stop them?
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2022, 12:02:52 AM
Post by: Occam on June 26, 2022, 12:14:56 AM
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2022, 12:20:22 AM
Post by: Occam on June 26, 2022, 12:28:30 AM
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2022, 12:30:30 AM
I am advocating for America to become a liberal democracy.Not if you want it to have exponentially less freedom of thought than it currently does. :patel
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2022, 12:55:25 AM
I reject your premise that deliberately ending liberal democracy and the democratic process for mass totalitarian violence is a necessity either immediately or ever.Alternative proposal:
https://twitter.com/coolandfungi/status/1540351353947492353
Post by: VomKriege on June 26, 2022, 05:21:31 AM
:steel
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 26, 2022, 08:50:03 AM
Post by: Nintex on June 26, 2022, 09:47:41 AM
:wut
Post by: headwalk on June 26, 2022, 10:58:26 AM
seems like such a crazy russian roulette to play otherwise.
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2022, 11:10:05 AM
in the US, can't supreme court justices step down when they're old as fuck and blatently going to die soon and there's a favourable president?Yes, that's what Breyer just did this year. And Kennedy, Stevens, Souter, and O'Connor before him.
seems like such a crazy russian roulette to play otherwise.
You don't have to be totally old as fuck, Souter was only 70 and had wanted to retire but he was waiting for W. Bush to leave for hopefully a Democrat, which he got in Obama.
Thomas is the oldest Justice on the Court currently and he's 74 as he was 43 when appointed.
Post by: headwalk on June 26, 2022, 11:21:16 AM
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2022, 11:37:29 AM
*That theory's predicated on Roberts becoming an actual swing seat rather than seeking narrow conservative victories. I suppose that could have saved Casey/Roe but if he can't get a majority for it I doubt he'd have sided with the progressives based on what we now know.
Post by: Nintex on June 26, 2022, 02:26:02 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 26, 2022, 02:55:45 PM
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 26, 2022, 03:08:30 PM
https://twitter.com/BNNBreaking/status/1540840545039564800 (https://twitter.com/BNNBreaking/status/1540840545039564800)
:wut
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Personal details
Political party Republican
Children 6
Education Brigham Young University (BA)
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Lisonbee earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in family life from Brigham Young University.[1] She homeschooled her children.
Guess they didn't cover "how is babby formed" in her course
:neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf
Post by: HaughtyFrank on June 26, 2022, 03:28:02 PM
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Post by: HaughtyFrank on June 26, 2022, 05:29:57 PM
:doge
Post by: Nintex on June 26, 2022, 05:55:59 PM
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2022, 08:27:16 PM
Benji, can you give us a short summary on how the US allowed it's Supreme Court to become so politicised? Like, is there no actual oversight on these appointments to ensure these people do not politicise what should be the most politically neutral office in the country?Allowed? It's always been this way.
I'm not being snarky and saying that all courts are this politicized (even though they are) I'm saying the United States ones have literally been open about this from the start. When the Federalists lost the first "real" election in 1800 to the Jefferson Republicans they added gobs of new judges and adjusted the size of the Supreme Court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Judges_Act) so they could preserve their power past losing that election. The Republicans repealed it and tried to impeach a Justice purely for his political views but it didn't take so nobody's tried it since. (It wouldn't matter too much in practice since two-thirds majorities in the Senate for removal are rare, especially in the last century. Though the Jefferson Republicans would have been able to do this had the practice not been rejected by their own members.)
Another reason for the current "feeling" though? Congress punts to the courts rather than legislates whenever it can. Why do anything about a highly contested issue like abortion when you can let the unelected judges "tie" your hands? Congress has instead "read the room" and restricted abortion a bunch because Roe/Casey gave them cover by not letting it be entirely banned. And this kind of stuff is bipartisan too, I'm not trying to frame this as Democratic failure that's just how things come out regarding abortion since the Republicans are proudly against it. Lots of gun people think the Republicans are just as chickenshit about guns and tell them to take it to the courts rather than make them have to vote on stuff. Same thing on "non-contentious" issues, does Congress really despise constitutional rights or are they relying on the courts to bail them out? Do detainees deserve constitutional rights? Let the courts decide! The legislation that led to the Obama Administration claiming it could ban books was signed by W. Bush who stated he thought it was unconstitutional and hoped the Supreme Court struck it down, so why did he sign it? Because who gives a shit, nobody will hear his lamentations (especially if most of the media likes the legislation) and hopefully the Court will protect people's rights, meanwhile he gets the political benefit from restricting that nasty free press ruining our politics until the Court "ties" their hands and ruining our politics by allowing a free press.
Same thing as executive orders. Every administration starts off with a flurry of these because the last guys did a flurry of them including on the way out of office. They want to change them or change them back. Obama to Trump to Biden just made it so obvious because the turnover of parties was so quick that people actually noticed this time. (Though weirdly they thought it was only bad that the guy they disliked was changing them this way, their guy was obviously just reversing those tyrannical actions.)
This isn't new though either really (executive orders kinda are as they've massively increased in numbers lately) especially if you remember your (not yours, ours) history about slavery. Congress could have banned slavery but didn't. You can blame the Senate if you want to be lame or you can recognize that slavery was massively contentious (IT LED TO A WAR) but people weren't trying to string things along to prevent it from being decided, that was the compromise. Both sides wanted to add states to unbalance the Senate and the "opposition" went from tolerant to containment to abolition. The pro-slavery people went from we can't get rid of this now to this is too important to actually we're helping the slaves. The slave states knew they were going to lose eventually based on trends and this was an existential threat to the Democratic Party as a whole because they were fading in the non-slave states. But luckily the Court was hearing a fugitive slave case, the Court would have narrowly decided this and indications are that it was planning to but the Democrats pushed the Court to "settle" slavery. The Court obliged and issued Dred Scott. Incoming President Buchanan in his inauguration speech praised the Court for settling things even though the decision wouldn't actually be known until later. But this also led to the Civil War despite "settling" things because the Republicans then swept the next two elections and were dominating the North, they were obviously going to reverse this in time, probably by appointing new Justices. So the slave states gambled on the Confederacy and instead got a whole swath of constitutional amendments including the one that would eventually extend constitutional right protections against the states. Tremendously massive L that they never got over.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 26, 2022, 10:53:19 PM
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2022, 11:07:04 PM
I find it curious people in Canada and Europe are protesting the over turning of Roe v Wade when a state like Mississippi has more liberal abortion laws than Germany as expressed last page. So much of liberalism falls into vapid dogma and outrage olympics, getting big mad for no reason. Sounds stressful, and it fully proves the confounding disease I described liberalism as being. Social media should have never been created.
On the plus side, conservatism seems to be increasingly winning. Good. Liberalism has failed.
Post by: Occam on June 26, 2022, 11:24:09 PM
I find it curious people in Canada and Europe are protesting the over turning of Roe v Wade when a state like Mississippi has more liberal abortion laws than Germany as expressed last page.
Mississippi is about to completely ban all abortions. (QED)
Its last abortion clinic has been closed. Like several other red states, it had trigger laws in place. Mississippi's abortion ban just hasn't been certified by the state Attorney General yet.
It must be nice to live in the magical land of make-believe.
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2022, 11:26:26 PM
Benji, can you give us a short summary on how the US allowed it's Supreme Court to become so politicised? Like, is there no actual oversight on these appointments to ensure these people do not politicise what should be the most politically neutral office in the country?
Friend, the SCOTUS has always been political. Take Roe V Wade. It has been said to be an awful ruling even to the point where the likes of Ginsburg said it was judicially weak. At worse, many have accused the ruling as being legislation from the bench which isn't the job of the SCOTUS. Why do you consider the overturning of Roe v Wade to be politicized but not the actual creation of the original Roe v Wade ruling which many say has no real justification? The SCOTUS has always been like this. It's just more pronounced now due to culture wars and social media.
Post by: Occam on June 26, 2022, 11:31:15 PM
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Under the law, abortion is banned, unless a pregnant person’s life is in danger or the pregnant person is a victim of rape and has reported the incident to law enforcement. Anyone who performs or attempts to perform an abortion will be charged with a felony punishable by a fine of up to $100,000, up to 10 years in prison, or both
Such freedom. Much liberty!
Post by: Occam on June 26, 2022, 11:34:22 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1540422500760178688
:steel
The hilarious thing is that he believes there will still be free and fair elections five years from now, let alone 20.
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2022, 11:44:51 PM
I find it curious people in Canada and Europe are protesting the over turning of Roe v Wade when a state like Mississippi has more liberal abortion laws than Germany as expressed last page.
Mississippi is about to completely ban all abortions. (QED)
Its last abortion clinic has been closed. Like several other red states, it had trigger laws in place.
It must be nice to live in the magical land of make-believe.
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Mississippi also has a trigger law in place, but unlike Louisiana, it will require certification from state Attorney General Lynn Fitch before going into effect — one of seven states in this situation.
Under the law, abortion is banned, unless a pregnant person’s life is in danger or the pregnant person is a victim of rape and has reported the incident to law enforcement.
https://www.mpbonline.org/blogs/news/what-to-know-about-mississippi-abortion-rights-after-scotus-overturns-roe-v-wade/
Seems fine to me. Though charging a felony for those outside of that is a bit much.
One of the greatest benefits of Roe v Wade being overturned is that now there can be nuance to the issue when there previously wasn't. Pro-choice vs pro-life is a stupid binary. It naturally curates the question of what pro-choice even is. By definition I am pro-choice.... with restrictions. Abortion should absolutely be a right available to women under law in cases of rape, incest, and in danger of the life of the mother. Unfortunately, Democrats have ran on pro-choice but have been unwilling to define what that means and Americans support pro-choice from a full spectrum of beliefs. Most Americans are fine within the first trimester only. Now because Roe v Wade is RIP this forces governors and politicians to specifically define what pro-choice even means which they've been reluctant to do so. This speaks again to the failure of the Democrats. If they were willing to compromise andake a law that guarantees the right to abortion under the parameters expressed above - rape, incest, danger to life - things would be far more peachy. And they had 50 years to do it. 50. Years. Imagine wanting to still vote for the Donkeys.
Liberals will point to the fact that majority of Americans are pro-choice, and that's true as far as it goes but like most things they will be obscuring the facts and not looking at hard data where different lines for along that definition of pro-choice. This is precisely why liberals get nothing done. Pathetic ideology.
Rather than turning ones ire to SCOTUS, who did its job toward a bad ruling, we should be turning it to Congress who rested on its laurels for 50. Years. without passing legislation or a compromise. Imagine wanting to vote Democratic after that. How embarrassing. Please donate to us. But no, it's time to riot and protest LMAO. Going to tell my congressman to introduce a bill to Congress guaranteeing a woman's right to first trimester abortion on Monday. I'll be participating in my democracy rather than throwing a fit about it. How bout that? Not so hard holding politicians to standards is it, libs? Always remember that politicians are scum and that trusting government is re re status.
Post by: Occam on June 26, 2022, 11:59:22 PM
I find it curious people in Canada and Europe are protesting the over turning of Roe v Wade when a state like Mississippi has more liberal abortion laws than Germany as expressed last page.
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Mississippi also has a trigger law in place, but unlike Louisiana, it will require certification from state Attorney General Lynn Fitch before going into effect — one of seven states in this situation.
Under the law, abortion is banned, unless a pregnant person’s life is in danger or the pregnant person is a victim of rape and has reported the incident to law enforcement. Anyone who performs or attempts to perform an abortion will be charged with a felony punishable by a fine of up to $100,000, up to 10 years in prison, or both,
Seems fine to me.
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 12:01:09 AM
Post by: Occam on June 27, 2022, 12:19:08 AM
Post by: james on June 27, 2022, 12:19:51 AM
I have Tuesday at 11:42am
Post by: Occam on June 27, 2022, 12:29:02 AM
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Thomas wrote, “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.”https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3535841-thomas-calls-for-overturning-precedents-on-contraceptives-lgbtq-rights/
The three cases Thomas mentioned are all landmark decisions establishing certain constitutional rights.
In Griswold v. Connecticut, the court ruled in 1965 that married couples have a right to access contraceptive. In 2003, the court said in Lawrence v. Texas that states could not outlaw consensual gay sex. And the court’s 2015 decision in Obergefell v. Hodges established a constitutional right to same-sex marriage.
Let me guess:
Seems fine to me.
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Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 12:39:05 AM
I find it curious people in Canada and Europe are protesting the over turning of Roe v Wade when a state like Mississippi has more liberal abortion laws than Germany as expressed last page.QuoteMississippi also has a trigger law in place, but unlike Louisiana, it will require certification from state Attorney General Lynn Fitch before going into effect — one of seven states in this situation.
Under the law, abortion is banned, unless a pregnant person’s life is in danger or the pregnant person is a victim of rape and has reported the incident to law enforcement. Anyone who performs or attempts to perform an abortion will be charged with a felony punishable by a fine of up to $100,000, up to 10 years in prison, or both,Seems fine to me.
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Strongest support for abortion—within limits: An Associated Press/NORC poll in June found 87% support abortion when the woman’s life is in danger, 84% support exceptions in the case of rape or incest, and 74% support abortion if the child would be born with a life-threatening illness.
When abortion support drops: The further into the pregnancy, with AP/NORC finding 61% believe abortion should be legal during the first trimester, but only 34% in the second trimester and 19% in the third, and an April Wall Street Journal poll finding more Americans approve of 15-week abortion bans than disapprove.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/06/24/how-americans-really-feel-about-abortion-the-sometimes-surprising-poll-results-as-supreme-court-reportedly-set-to-overturn-roe-v-wade/?sh=20c269352f3a
My opinion is pretty mainstream within America. :) Also looking at Europe it's mainstream as well. The Mississippi law allows abortion - within limits. Sounds perfectly fine to me!
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 12:48:27 AM
Thomas calls for overturning precedents on contraceptives, LGBTQ rightsQuoteThomas wrote, “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.”https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3535841-thomas-calls-for-overturning-precedents-on-contraceptives-lgbtq-rights/
The three cases Thomas mentioned are all landmark decisions establishing certain constitutional rights.
In Griswold v. Connecticut, the court ruled in 1965 that married couples have a right to access contraceptive. In 2003, the court said in Lawrence v. Texas that states could not outlaw consensual gay sex. And the court’s 2015 decision in Obergefell v. Hodges established a constitutional right to same-sex marriage.
Let me guess:Seems fine to me.
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A big thing here is I don't really know if what Thomas means overturning those precedents or if they're just going to look at them and the media isn't helping.
For example, the pro-choice position in America lies on a spectrum but most Americans support heavy restrictions. But when you look at liberal media sites they're full on manipulating the stats to conform to their narrative and nuance goes out the window as they act as political pundits to push their agenda.
Like say, you contrast the data posted above with Pew here. As said, it's only legal/illegal. It's very black and white as most Americans aren't going to say "I want abortion illegal" because that would be depraved. Liberals take advantage of this to push their narrative that Americans fully support abortion when, in reality, we support abortion within means.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/
So when the Justice says this I have no idea what he really means and the media is telling he wants to overturn them. Frankly, I wish someone would interview him so we could get to the bottom of it rather than the game of telephone that happens. Liberals are really bad at that and get triggered at seemingly innocuous points made and think they're going to bring back slavery!!! :lol
Post by: Uncle on June 27, 2022, 07:30:26 AM
like what if someone says they're going to commit suicide unless they get an abortion, is their life in danger?
what if they develop problems that have a 10% chance of mortality, is that "enough" in danger to perform the abortion?
eventually you get to the point where you admit that any pregnancy has a 0.02% chance of mortality for the mother, pregnancy itself puts the woman's life in danger, so you have to define a degree at which abortion would be appropriate
and how does all this interact with the US system of insurance companies being involved, what if insurance says they won't pay for any abortions in the state, even potential rape, because they aren't going to risk being complicit in breaking the law? and then the hospitals realize the average person needing an abortion won't be able to afford it without insurance and it'd always be a loss to them, so they simply don't do them at all either for that reason?
Post by: Potato on June 27, 2022, 07:37:31 AM
We're also not friends and the only thing Roe vs Wade is to me is fish eggs.
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 27, 2022, 07:55:41 AM
4 weeks and a trillion dollars in bombs.
get it done, brandon
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 09:46:17 AM
Just to add on, not undoing previous rulings added to the facade and mythology that the court was apolitical, and so this particular ruling really just exposed the issue but it's not something new.But this itself is just willfully accepted mythology for certain people. The Court constantly overturns previous rulings, Roe itself was thrown out back in 1992. The Court has no need to take up prior rulings if it doesn't intend to overturn them except when lower courts are ignoring it and in those cases it almost never bothers to issue an opinion.
Thomas calls for overturning precedents on contraceptives, LGBTQ rightsYou keep posting this as if it means anything or as if it should even be news. Have you even read Dobbs to know why Thomas was bringing up his views (citing himself) on other subjects that everyone already knows he has and nobody takes seriously?
Just want to set a couple of things straight...it is not through humility that I ask the question of how the US Supreme Court was allowed to get so politicised. It is through sheer amazement at how the US can continually shit on its own democracy.Judicial review is the entire point of the Supreme Court so it seems weird to frame it as "continually [shitting] on its own democracy" when it's doing what it's supposed to do in the democratic process. Especially in regards to a case where it was the Supreme Court who created abortion rights above the legislative process (perhaps correctly) in the first place rather than any kind of legislative bill being signed into law.
It's completely fine to be upset about states now being able to ban abortion completely, but it's very strange to frame this as somehow especially anti-democratic when championing a previous ruling nobody but the Supreme Court ever voted on. I'm more than willing to read most all abortion rights in the Ninth Amendment but I absolutely understand this as blocking people from getting to vote about legislation on it until they pass a constitutional amendment.
Post by: therealdeal on June 27, 2022, 10:01:10 AM
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 10:07:54 AM
weren't you saying when the opinion leaked that the majority wouldn't vote on it :dogeAs I already have acknowledged multiple times I was skeptical that it was a majority opinion let alone one Roberts would sign onto for multiple reasons including that it meant both Thomas and Roberts passed it to Alito so he could write something so broad. If you think this skepticism on the first draft opinion ever leaked without any knowledge on the vote invalidates everything I ever say ever again and means you should favor people who clearly have no idea what they're talking about then I can't stop you from that, only advise you to be skeptical about them too. (Advice you should be skeptical about and thus reject.)
Post by: therealdeal on June 27, 2022, 10:11:41 AM
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 10:17:50 AM
AOC went on MTP yesterday and expressed a desire to IMPEACH, yes impeach, Justices. This is how Democrats wield power. It's almost if...as if, they can't govern! :lol
https://www.axios.com/2022/06/26/aoc-supreme-court-impeachment-abortion
Straight from the comments of r/moderatepolitics.
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So you need a 2/3 vote in the senate to remove a Supreme Court justice from office.
Leaving aside that removal is impossible practically even if it were justified, it is in fact possible that all of the members of the house of Representatives on the Democratic side do choose to vote yea on impeachment.
What would that actually indicate here though? They don't like the ruling? We're shaking our fists in impotent rage because so we can pass an impeachment, but it would be a LOT easier to pass a law that solves the issue.
Forget the 67 votes in the Senate for a second. Lets say you HAVE 60 (you probably do). If you have 60, you can create abortion protections in law, just not constitutional protections. Impeachment is worthless because if you could remove, you could pass a law anyway.
My big problem with all of this anger isn't that people aren't allowed to be upset. It's that the reaction to the overturn isn't 'lets secure abortion rights', it's lets complain about the (what appears to be correct legally speaking) ruling.
There are two pro choice Republican Senators who would get on board with 16 week abortions with no debate. I imagine there are more and you need exactly 8 to get it done.
Legislative pressure is a lot more effective here, because you can actually influence people. I imagine there are 10 conservative leaning states that would codify this situation, but you have to try.
Instead, it's fuck the court, fuck the republicans, lets make them pay. That doesn't work when you don't have the numbers and it also doesn't convince people that you NEED to convince right now to have anything.
As someone who would really like to codify abortion: I need this rhetoric to stop. Does AOC know someone who can write legislation that would codify abortion, like, I dunno, a house member?
https://www.reddit.com/r/moderatepolitics/comments/vldosm/aoc_says_impeachment_possible_if_supreme_court/
AOC is definitely legislating like a New Yorker. By doing JACK SHIT except the usual virtue signal bullshit.
Just want to set a couple of things straight...it is not through humility that I ask the question of how the US Supreme Court was allowed to get so politicised. It is through sheer amazement at how the US can continually shit on its own democracy.
We're also not friends and the only thing Roe vs Wade is to me is fish eggs.
This is how our democracy works! SCOTUS does not make policy. Liberals thought it did. That's the disconnect. SCOTUS makes rulings based on the constitution. Abortion is not a right via the constitution.
Not friends?! Zehaha! So is it okay if I and others make fun of your country's authoritarian policies in the future? I mean, if you're going to dunk on America it's surely fair game to dunk on a country that calls Disco Elysium offensive to morality.
https://www.theguardian.com/games/2021/mar/24/australia-urged-to-move-on-from-moral-panic-over-video-games-after-disco-elysium-banned
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 10:32:08 AM
it just seems you're saying "no one should be surprised" when in fact it did surprise youNo, you're talking about two completely different events. Thomas writing an opinion where he says things he's always said for 30 years that nobody else signs onto is a completely expected event.
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 10:54:42 AM
More than 1 million voters switch to GOP in warning for Dems
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U.S. as tens of thousands of suburban swing voters who helped fuel the Democratic Party’s gains in recent years are becoming Republicans.
More than 1 million voters across 43 states have switched to the Republican Party over the last year, according to voter registration data analyzed by The Associated Press. The previously unreported number reflects a phenomenon that is playing out in virtually every region of the country — Democratic and Republican states along with cities and small towns — in the period since President Joe Biden replaced former President Donald Trump.
But nowhere is the shift more pronounced — and dangerous for Democrats — than in the suburbs, where well-educated swing voters who turned against Trump’s Republican Party in recent years appear to be swinging back. Over the last year, far more people are switching to the GOP across suburban counties from Denver to Atlanta and Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Republicans also gained ground in counties around medium-size cities such as Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; Raleigh, North Carolina; Augusta, Georgia; and Des Moines, Iowa.
Trump (or DeSantis) 2024. I'd greatly prefer DeSantis as he's less compromised and he can deflate the media's attacks on him rather than REEEEing unfortunately Trump is going to run so it is what it is.
Thomas calls for overturning precedents on contraceptives, LGBTQ rightsYou keep posting this as if it means anything or as if it should even be news. Have you even read Dobbs to know why Thomas was bringing up his views (citing himself) on other subjects that everyone already knows he has and nobody takes seriously?
It is news in the same way Cornyn's tweet to Obama is being argued as a threat to bring back segregation.
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/politics/john-cornyn-tweet-plessy-v-ferguson-brown-v-board-of-education/287-261b776b-65e5-4578-8f88-e49156cd2148
The entire media apparatus slobbers over the liberal political mandate rather than doing their jobs. The media is compromised. That's why it's news. The liberals enjoy twisting words and bringing up histrionics to rile people up that they're going to BRING BACK SLAVERY!!! As they live in a constant life shaking in fear like rabbits.
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 11:01:47 AM
It is news in the same way Cornyn's tweet to Obama is being argued as a threat to bring back segregation.You're not supposed to read his actual words and understand his obvious point, you're supposed to look deep into his racist soul and find what you already knew to be true:
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Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 11:06:45 AM
It is news in the same way Cornyn's tweet to Obama is being argued as a threat to bring back segregation.You're not supposed to read his actual words and understand his obvious point, you're supposed to look deep into his racist soul:
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He's so wacist. The Democratic Party is absolutely unhinged.
Please note that Cornyn tried to make Juneteenth federally recognized for over ten years and has a good record of bipartisanship in the state of Texas. But instead let's reeee.
I'm absolutely not shocked that persons twitter handle has "NYC" at the end of it.
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 11:09:12 AM
John Cornyn can be the most racist person to ever exist and that will ever exist, he's still right that Brown overturned the 58 year old precedent of Plessy.
Seems weird to give racists the power to determine what history is and is not true. :trumps
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 11:12:44 AM
John Cornyn can be the most racist person to ever exist and that will ever exist, he's still right that Brown overturned the 58 year old precedent of Plessy.
Seems weird to give racists the power to determine what history is and is not true. :trumps
Obama knows full well the court changes precedent. He's riling up his base. Will that get them to the polls? Time will tell.
Post by: Occam on June 27, 2022, 11:26:27 AM
"The leftwing American political class, incredibly, continues to cling to its defunct institutional ideals."
"Any time anyone acts on their violent rhetoric, the rightwing politicians and media elites are appalled that anyone would connect what they say to what others do."
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 11:43:38 AM
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 11:47:15 AM
https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1541421786759413760
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/26/second-civil-war-us-abortion
"The leftwing American political class, incredibly, continues to cling to its defunct institutional ideals."
"Any time anyone acts on their violent rhetoric, the rightwing politicians and media elites are appalled that anyone would connect what they say to what others do."
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Second civil war. :lol
The link you posted is nothing but hyperbolic BS. There won't be a second civil war any time soon. Liberals are too pussy to even deal with guns and even during encroaching division, rather than arm themselves with literal power, choose to scoff at it to their downfall.
I just read that link and it was outfitted with the most banal clap trap.
Post by: Uncle on June 27, 2022, 11:53:16 AM
like imagine laws in other contexts, if there were enough technicalities and restrictions on something like the sale of firearms, you might see vendors saying "you know what, I can't make head or tail of all these restrictions, I can't keep up and I can't afford any legal repercussions for making one mistake, I give up and I'm getting into a different line of work" which reduces availability for everyone (which would of course be part of the unstated goal behind the restrictions)
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 12:02:01 PM
And your case sounds like a major what if to me that is, once again, fixed by legislation from Congress making it a right for emergencies up to 15-17 weeks and only medical emergency after that.
Post by: Uncle on June 27, 2022, 12:06:56 PM
and I don't come from a standpoint of being indignant or enmity or anything, I can just see some pretty believable downsides
there really should be some very specific language, like "if it meets the common medical standards of a potentially dangerous ectopic pregnancy, abortion is allowed"
or "if there is a condition or event that could easily lead to a life threatening situation," rather than waiting for the life threatening situation to be actively taking place
"ok she's officially dying, NOW we can help" :kobeyuck
and, ideally those details would be pinned down before repealing anything, that leaves you in no man's land waiting to get things shored up better
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 27, 2022, 12:17:37 PM
https://completechristianity.blog/2022/06/07/repeal-the-fourteenth-amendment/
The fundie catholics are going to take over, and its going to be great to watch :lol :lol
Post by: Occam on June 27, 2022, 12:37:47 PM
fellow violent anti-democrat like yourself
Come on now.
I believe democracy needs to be protected, you believe it will magically regulate itself.
Just like a free and uncontrolled market regulates itself and would never allow the development of any naughty anti-consumer mechanisms like monopolies.
Post by: Uncle on June 27, 2022, 12:41:28 PM
fellow violent anti-democrat like yourself
Come on now.
I believe democracy needs to be protected, you believe it will magically regulate itself.
Just like a free and uncontrolled market regulates itself and would never allow the development of any naughty anti-consumer mechanisms like monopolies.
do you agree with your link that there ought to be a good solid second civil war to fix everything up?
Post by: Occam on June 27, 2022, 12:52:41 PM
Post by: Kurt Russell on June 27, 2022, 01:23:28 PM
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 01:29:17 PM
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Dank.
Post by: Uncle on June 27, 2022, 01:29:18 PM
roe v wade always seemed to be one of the primary sources of "my body, my choice" rhetoric/mode of thinking
with it gone, if it truly is not your body, your choice, does that lay the groundwork for mandated vaccination in the future?
if you can be forced to carry a baby to term against your will, can't you be forced to take a vaccine as well? there is nothing in the constitution that guarantees freedom from vaccination
I don't mean to frame the repeal nor this potential consequence as good or bad, it's just something to consider
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 01:31:25 PM
here's something I hadn't considered
roe v wade always seemed to be one of the primary sources of "my body, my choice" rhetoric/mode of thinking
with it gone, if it truly is not your body, your choice, does that lay the groundwork for mandated vaccination in the future?
if you can be forced to carry a baby to term against your will, can't you be forced to take a vaccine as well? there is nothing in the constitution that guarantees freedom from vaccination
I don't mean to frame the repeal nor this potential consequence as good or bad, it's just something to consider
Democrats have been forcing Covid vaccinations to participate in society and for months conservatives have been saying "my body my choice" in response to Covid vaccinations. Aren't you kind of late on this? I've been railing on liberal hypocrisy for months because my stance on neither has changed: I am pro-choice on both issues.
what would you say to the idea of hospitals being unwilling to perform an abortion when someone's life is in danger, because the wording "unless a pregnant person's life is in danger" is kind of vague and they'd be rightly worried about getting in a lot of trouble if it was later determined the patient's life was not quite enough in danger to perform it? like does it functionally ban all abortions except rape ones, out of an overabundance of caution?
like what if someone says they're going to commit suicide unless they get an abortion, is their life in danger?
what if they develop problems that have a 10% chance of mortality, is that "enough" in danger to perform the abortion?
eventually you get to the point where you admit that any pregnancy has a 0.02% chance of mortality for the mother, pregnancy itself puts the woman's life in danger, so you have to define a degree at which abortion would be appropriate
and how does all this interact with the US system of insurance companies being involved, what if insurance says they won't pay for any abortions in the state, even potential rape, because they aren't going to risk being complicit in breaking the law? and then the hospitals realize the average person needing an abortion won't be able to afford it without insurance and it'd always be a loss to them, so they simply don't do them at all either for that reason?
My problem is this is a massive what if with no real basis in reality. Legislate. Make it law.
Post by: Uncle on June 27, 2022, 01:43:16 PM
My problem is this is a massive what if with no real basis in reality. Legislate. Make it law.
I'm only basing this on what you linked and said above: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=48352.msg3048655#msg3048655
if the law says "unless the life of the patient is in danger," that is already reality, that is already law, and it's already vague
it's not a "what if" when such situations of waiting for official lawyer approval while a patient dies are already happening
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would you say this is likely a made up story by someone who just wants to sow trouble
Post by: Nintex on June 27, 2022, 01:47:47 PM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1541065711023521793 (https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1541065711023521793)
Jake clearly has imaginary friends.
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 01:49:42 PM
My problem is this is a massive what if with no real basis in reality. Legislate. Make it law.
I'm only basing this on what you linked and said above: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=48352.msg3048655#msg3048655
if the law says "unless the life of the patient is in danger," that is already reality, that is already law, and it's already vague
it's not a "what if" when such situations of waiting for official lawyer approval while a patient dies are already happening
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would you say this is likely a made up story by someone who just wants to sow trouble
Unless you can source it I have zero reason to believe it.
Finally, I find such laws like Texas for example to go against my religious freedom so I critique when necessary. But the Texas law happened even before Roe v Wade upended so what exactly was Roe v Wade protecting? Legislate. Codify. Get on politicians ass. Stop kissing their ass. Demand they do their jobs instead of all of this emotional boo hoo f.aggot shit. I respect action, not crocodile tears and excuses.
The Heartbeat Act isn't entirely bad as it's a concession. Negotiate to broaden it to guaranteed set of weeks. Once there's a heartbeat isn't bad in itself. Legislate. Codify. Just stop the political theater. Liberals also use vague or misleading language. Both. Both are rot.
I've never heard of a law that said "if patients life is in danger" either. Most abortion concessions are if there was rape, incest, or danger for the mother. So unless you can actually point me to an actual law that vaguely says "only if patients life is in danger" there's nothing to argue much less articulate, Uncle.
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 02:08:42 PM
Come on now.I admit I was perplexed by your advocacy. Why would someone so concerned about liberal democracy be so insistent on deliberately and illegally suppressing his own most important tool in a liberal democracy? Why would someone so concerned about "minority rule" do things like advocate constantly for a minority to suppress opposition to maintain power or link approvingly to a violence fetishist unconcerned that his own country had two-thirds of the voters vote against the current ruling party two consecutive times? Why would someone just "warning" and "trying to help" refuse to learn anything about the country and system he's advising to continue advocating for blatantly illegal acts and suppression of the democratic process? Why would someone ignore when being told something is wrong and never worked the way they think to continue advocating for it anyway if they didn't just want to start providing more avenues for people to jail political opponents? Why would someone accuse someone else arguing in favor of working peacefully within the rule of law and democratic process as "[believing] it will magically regulate itself" if the first person is not advocating for something to be imposed non-democratically on the system?
I believe democracy needs to be protected, you believe it will magically regulate itself.
I have an alternative hypothesis now that seems to fit the provided evidence despite the lack of affirming statement I'll never get. You seemingly want to live vicariously through seeing other people commit violence against still other people. You seemingly want to convince my countrymen to abandon the democratic process so you can watch. It's not new for authoritarians to "advise" you commit violence and pursue authoritarianism to "protect" or gain "real" democracy so this regular denial actually seems to fit in supporting the thesis.
You lost this argument here 235 years ago and appear not to have gotten over it. I suggest you act locally rather than continue to dream internationally.
Post by: Occam on June 27, 2022, 02:19:35 PM
My suggestion for a modernised version of the fairness doctrine that would apply to all news media outlets was just that, a suggestion.
You continue to mock people who don't understand the law, but you don't actually offer any ideas how to counter America's ever worsening plutocratic system.
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 02:26:09 PM
America is about to descent into authoritarian religious minority rule against which it has no safeguards, while you pretend that all is well. Is this your special kind of trolling?
He mocks you because you not only don't understand American law you continuously judge it.
He mocks you because while you point fingers of authoritarian rule your solutions are repeatedly authoritarian.
You think only your worldview has credence in this world and only your worldview is valid. Like many liberals you subsist in and only value a disgusting monoculture wrapped in a so-called flag of "progressivism" that is reflective of your values only. Benji isn't trolling. He truly beliefs this.
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 02:31:00 PM
America is about to descend into authoritarian religious minority rule against which it has no safeguards, while you pretend that all is well. Is this your special kind of trolling?You called on the President of the United States to respond to a Supreme Court decision he disagreed with by unilaterally and illegally overthrowing the entire judicial branch.
My suggestion for a modernised version of the fairness doctrine that would apply to all news media outlets was just that, a suggestion.
You continue to mock people who don't understand the law, but you don't actually offer any ideas how to counter America's ever worsening plutocratic system.
I don't find "one man, one office, one vote, one time" to be a very compelling theory of democracy. Especially when the election held for that office wasn't even conducted in this way nor with this knowledge available to the populace.
I have never, not once, claimed that "all is well" nor advocated that nothing should ever be done. You fight with enemies in your head.
Post by: Occam on June 27, 2022, 02:33:01 PM
When some people call for Biden to stack the court, they don't mean him personally.
I assumed that much was understood.
What do you call this tactic of deliberately misunderstanding the person you are debating?
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 02:35:56 PM
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 02:35:57 PM
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
What do you call this tactic of "deliberately" "misunderstanding" the person you are debating?Occam's razor.
Post by: Occam on June 27, 2022, 02:42:37 PM
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 02:43:29 PM
See, you continue to avoid answering direct questions while making assumptions about me that are not supported by what I post.No, I continue to take what you say as what you mean.
I have avoided no direct questions.
Post by: Occam on June 27, 2022, 02:45:02 PM
What do you call this tactic of "deliberately" "misunderstanding" the person you are debating?Occam's razor.
No, I think it's something-something bad faith.
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 02:47:47 PM
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 02:48:01 PM
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 03:16:48 PM
I really need my fellow Americans on the left side of the aisle to tap into the greatest of American traditions: acknowledging that all politicians and the federal government are shit. As President Reagan said,"government isn't the solution to our problem, government is the problem." Hold them to higher standards. Call your stupid congressman/woman NOW.
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 03:24:06 PM
To get to what I assume Occam is referring to when he says I avoided questions there is only one solution in a democracy: advocate to win elections. Advocate to win elections. Advocate to win elections.
You want to skip this and whine to the refs and now you want to whine to some other refs that the refs aren't fair? Well, advocate to win elections so you can replace the refs.
You want to skip that and just tinker with the rules so you always win? Well, advocate to win elections so you can tinker with the rules.
If you aren't doing this, and aren't joining the many pre-existing groups seeking to call an Article V convention, then I can only assume you're relying on the last recourse.
This doesn't apply to people just lamenting and venting which is why I never responded to any of the people who did that when Dobbs was announced and instead, only the person who has been raging about the people being able to speak without permission of their betters for as long as I've known he existed.
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 03:29:31 PM
People don't like democracy, they want to order things the way they want and just see everyone obey.
It's not "people". It's modern liberals and progressives. They want a monoculture in which only their values survive. This is why the greatest evil facing America today is progressivism. It must be fought to save our country. They hate our country. They admit that openly. I used to admit it openly until I was proven incorrect and in my humbleness I can say I was really, truly wrong. But the ideology is meant to remake America in their own way. Don't let them and fight progressivism tooth and nail. What Occam is arguing is what progressives want.
Post by: Uncle on June 27, 2022, 04:24:09 PM
My suggestion for a modernised version of the fairness doctrine that would apply to all news media outlets was just that, a suggestion.
I will say I have a little more respect for anyone willing to go out on a limb and offer suggestions for anything, because everyone likes to identify problems without offering solutions, because then you're expected to defend it and get put on the back foot
if there are problems with an idea it at least gives a basis for learning why such ideas might not work, or if they've already been partially tried
well I guess I don't know, is it better to be an idiot running your mouth with bad ideas when you don't know as much as you think you do about a topic, or to recognize your lack of understanding and just point out what you see as problems all day without offering anything constructive? (not about you, just in general)
it's not like anything considered here would be truly novel and have benji rushing to congress with a dot matrix printout of a forum post
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 04:34:54 PM
or to recognize your lack of understanding and just point out what you see as problems all day without offering anything constructive?Whenever I do have an absolutely perfect idea with zero downsides like expanding the House nobody gives a shit.
I think one can still reserve the right to reject ideas that have only ever failed even if "it might work this time though" especially on how they will fail on the exact terms they're being proposed to solve.
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 05:02:23 PM
In order to expand Congress first we much take money out of politics and establish co-interests along bipartisan lines such as outlawing elected officials from insider trading. But even that won't happen due to a threat to their power. Once again proving the fed as dog shit. Vote local and throw your finger at the fed. We can all start this process by no longer licking politician taint, whether it's the Trumpers or the Squad pussy lickers. Stop kissing their ass and hold them to a higher standard and force them to contort to the will of The People.
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 05:10:40 PM
The actual real problem for it is logistics, the current buildings aren't designed for a properly sized House. But that kinda seems like something that is their problem, not mine, since they write the $7 trillion budget and all.
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 05:27:28 PM
I don't think expanding the House would change gridlock at all. I doubt more new members would be more resistant to leadership than the existing ones are.
The actual real problem for it is logistics, the current buildings aren't designed for a properly sized House. But that kinda seems like something that is their problem, not mine, since they write the $7 trillion budget and all.
:lol
You bastard.
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2022, 06:25:25 PM
May Allah correct Ilhan and other Muslim "leaders". Ameen. I wonder what the Somali Minneapolis community thinks about Ilhan. Hopefully she will be primaried by a GOP Muslimah. Inshaa Allah.
Post by: bork on June 27, 2022, 06:54:59 PM
What's the over /under this time?
I have Tuesday at 11:42am
Close!
Post by: Nintex on June 27, 2022, 07:15:53 PM
:wut
Post by: james on June 27, 2022, 07:33:46 PM
Himu will be taking another break for four months this time.What's the over /under this time?
I have Tuesday at 11:42am
Close!
Bork you cant delete the content before we all get to experience it
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2022, 07:41:18 PM
Post by: Nintex on June 27, 2022, 07:57:43 PM
Post by: BIONIC on June 27, 2022, 08:04:00 PM
Post by: therealdeal on June 27, 2022, 08:10:49 PM
Post by: Potato on June 27, 2022, 08:14:07 PM
The wildest part to me is I fully expect Himu back in 4 months on the dot, againHimu RN:
:rage
Bork RN:
:idont
Post by: bork on June 27, 2022, 08:24:06 PM
Himu will be taking another break for four months this time.What's the over /under this time?
I have Tuesday at 11:42am
Close!
Bork you cant delete the content before we all get to experience it
Nothing spicy. I told him to stop shitting up other threads with politics and he just wanted to argue. Nothing was deleted. It was moved and archived.
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 28, 2022, 01:25:54 AM
The wildest part to me is I fully expect Himu back in 4 months on the dot, again
Theyve already set a google calendar reminder.
(https://i.imgur.com/een5J0g.png)
Post by: HardcoreRetro on June 28, 2022, 05:29:10 AM
"This isn't even my final form!"
*Comes back even crazier in 4 months*
I can't wait.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 28, 2022, 11:02:12 AM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 28, 2022, 11:17:42 AM
Post by: james on June 28, 2022, 12:26:31 PM
is the plan with himu to just keep banning until his next personality shift? :doge
Waiting until he comes out as white identifying
Post by: Nintex on June 28, 2022, 01:13:25 PM
:info
Post by: james on June 28, 2022, 01:20:25 PM
Post by: BIONIC on June 28, 2022, 02:28:26 PM
https://twitter.com/ChrisCillizza/status/1541790937646612480 (https://twitter.com/ChrisCillizza/status/1541790937646612480)
:info
Those sure would’ve been helpful right about now:
Bork deleted posts that would’ve led to the arrest of Hilary Clinton :shh
::) :kermit
Post by: Nintex on June 28, 2022, 02:56:12 PM
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1541845832693174272 (https://twitter.com/axios/status/1541845832693174272)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWW94tlXwAIvz24?format=jpg)
Trump acting like Gordon Ramsay inside the white house has all of them crying lmao.
https://twitter.com/January6thCmte/status/1541852235843485697 (https://twitter.com/January6thCmte/status/1541852235843485697)
Trump denies it
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWXHWXqXwAADyKK?format=jpg)
Post by: Tuckers Law on June 28, 2022, 03:16:27 PM
https://twitter.com/ChrisCillizza/status/1541790937646612480 (https://twitter.com/ChrisCillizza/status/1541790937646612480)
:info
Jesus Christ.
Sometimes it feels like the Democratic Party has an addiction to catastrophic failure. The only word of Hillary should be that she’s enjoying a quiet life outside of politics and tending to her grandchildren.
Post by: Potato on June 28, 2022, 03:24:57 PM
Holy fuck, MAGA King indeed"Her story is completely made up fake news. I didn't throw food...it was cake. Dumb bitch, I don't even know who she is anyway."
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1541845832693174272 (https://twitter.com/axios/status/1541845832693174272)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWW94tlXwAIvz24?format=jpg)
Trump acting like Gordon Ramsay inside the white house has all of them crying lmao.
https://twitter.com/January6thCmte/status/1541852235843485697 (https://twitter.com/January6thCmte/status/1541852235843485697)
Trump denies it
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWXHWXqXwAADyKK?format=jpg)
Post by: james on June 28, 2022, 03:27:46 PM
Post by: Nintex on June 28, 2022, 03:28:56 PM
I like how in Trump's imagination he does not only grab the wheel to course correct but actually steers it towards the Capitol Building itself like an action movie.
but if this is the best they got in terms of him being the mastermind behind a violent overthrow of the government (and his plan was foiled because they refused to bring him to the Capitol) I hate to break the news that Donnie has wiggled himself out of a jam, again.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 28, 2022, 03:48:33 PM
Keep up.
Post by: james on June 28, 2022, 03:54:52 PM
I find it hard to believe that 200lbs depressed Trump could lunge from the backseat of the Presidential limo, punch through what I assume is bullet proof glass, shove aside a well trained secret service agent, grab the steering wheel and yell: "I'M THE FUCKING PRESIDENT".
FACT CHECK
We have the photos
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/pSEa4RMtWgBZyfYt3OiQU_39fR4=/0x0:1000x666/1400x1400/filters:focal(524x231:684x391):format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/53863203/Donald_Trump_truck.0.jpg)
Post by: Potato on June 28, 2022, 05:41:21 PM
Post by: BIONIC on June 28, 2022, 05:45:24 PM
:dead
Post by: Nintex on June 28, 2022, 06:46:14 PM
I'm probably stating the obvious here, but the democrats keep basing these huge "surprise motherfucker" moments on the most flimsy of evidence and not necessarily stable or believable witnesses. It's almost like the people running the party are so incompetent they would nominate Hilary Clinton...again.Not to mention this is very different from what was reported during and shortly after that day.
Before these hearings they pretty much all settled on the story that Trump was too distracted by the events unfolding on television and the staff was shellshocked and didn't know what to do.
From there the waters get muddy. There's a version that claims Mike Pence took charge of the situation once he arrived back at the White House and a version where Ivanka did by calling Trump directly herself.
Anyway I agree with Jimmy Dore who has said that the real focus of the hearing should be why the Capitol was so poorly protected that day. Especially compared to earlier protests.
There's only 2 possible explanations. Someone wanted this to escalate or it was sabotage. And neither of those things could've been organized by just Trump himself.
The cops there must've known they were left holding the bag. The year prior there had been all sorts of protests in the DC area along with a big police presence.
Post by: Potato on June 28, 2022, 09:15:59 PM
:cody
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2022, 10:38:49 PM
:hesright
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 29, 2022, 05:32:53 AM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on June 29, 2022, 08:31:52 AM
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 29, 2022, 10:07:42 AM
I'm probably stating the obvious here, but the democrats keep basing these huge "surprise motherfucker" moments on the most flimsy of evidence and not necessarily stable or believable witnesses. It's almost like the people running the party are so incompetent they would nominate Hilary Clinton...again.Not to mention this is very different from what was reported during and shortly after that day.
It's almost like hearings are designed to bring new evidence to light and reporting is based on available evidence at the time.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 29, 2022, 10:46:59 AM
lol. oops.
Post by: HaughtyFrank on June 29, 2022, 11:09:44 AM
That happened in the SUV not the beast.
Keep up.
Actually she said that it happened in the beast
Quote
"I looked at Tony, and he had said, 'did you f-ing hear what happened in the Beast?'" Hutchinson recalled, using the nickname for the presidential vehicle. "I said, 'no Tony, I just got back, what happened?' Tony proceeded to tell me that when the president got in the Beast, he was under the impression that the off-the-record movement to the Capitol was still possible, and likely to happen, but that Bobby had more information."
"So once the president had gotten into the vehicle with Bobby, he thought that they were going up to the Capitol, and when Bobby had relayed to him, 'we’re not, you don’t have the assets to do it, it’s not secure, we’re going back to the West Wing,' the president had a very strong, very angry response to that."
Hutchinson said Ornato described Trump "as being irate."
Trump "said something to the effect of, 'I’m the f-ing president, take me up to the Capitol now,'" Hutchinson testified. "To which Bobby responded, 'sir, we have to go back to the West Wing.' The president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Mr. Engel grabbed his arm and said 'sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel, we’re going back to the West Wing. We’re not going to the Capitol.'"
Hutchinson added that Trump "then used his free hand to lunge towards Bobby Engel, and when Mr. Ornato had recounted this story to me, he had motioned toward his" collarbone.
Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., then asked Hutchinson if Engel disagreed with any part of the story Ornato relayed. Hutchinson said he did not.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cassidy-hutchinson-trump-lunged-secret-195238155.html
Though I'm not sure if there's actually a partition between driver and passengers. I assume not (or it's at least retractable) because that would be just a too obvious hole in the story.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 29, 2022, 11:39:59 AM
But they showed the SUV that he got into on video after the rally.
Post by: HaughtyFrank on June 29, 2022, 11:52:36 AM
Post by: james on June 29, 2022, 01:02:16 PM
So January 6th went from Trump pussied out and left his supporters to be set up to Trump wanted to storm the capital, but the deep state stopped him. Awesome job democrats!
I had the same thought this morning.
THE JAMES TAKE.
The witness is an Ultra MAGA.
They know that the Proud Boys and Oath Keppers arent happy. They did what they were told, and in response, are getting arrested and blacklisted from society. All while their orange king did nothing to lift a finger. That has been the media narrative for a year.
So this story is being planted to say that yes Trump wanted to fight. He was ready to storm the capitol with them and their guns. He went so far as to try and hijack a vehicle. But the DEEP STATE stood in his way and stopped him.
We're about to learn that while COWARD Pence was ready to invoke the 25th, some other Ultra MAGA hero (Stephen Miller?) managed to stop it at the very last second.
When Trump announces his 2024 run on July 4th, under a blanket of a million red white and blue fireworkers, he will say that yes, he chocked a secret service agent, and yes, he commandeered the beast, but he was overwhelmed by deep state agents (under direct orders from Pence/Hillary) who disabled the vehicle and restrained him. But if you vote for him again, it will be different this time.
Stand back and stand by folks.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
also why did they name the presidential limo after my penis?
[close]
Post by: Nintex on June 29, 2022, 01:34:41 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWa9XoEXwAEDMjD?format=jpg)
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 29, 2022, 02:11:00 PM
Post by: Nintex on June 29, 2022, 02:26:55 PM
As per usual when the President went into Beastmode.
Post by: james on June 29, 2022, 02:38:17 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 29, 2022, 03:06:02 PM
:cenk
Post by: Nintex on June 29, 2022, 06:24:30 PM
:dead
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 30, 2022, 05:26:17 AM
Post by: Occam on June 30, 2022, 11:49:57 AM
To get to what I assume Occam is referring to when he says I avoided questions there is only one solution in a democracy: advocate to win elections. Advocate to win elections. Advocate to win elections.
Yeah, about that...
"The Supreme Court said Thursday that it will consider what would be a radical change in the way federal elections are conducted, giving state legislatures sole authority to set the rules for contests even if their actions violated state constitutions and resulted in extreme partisan gerrymandering for congressional seats."
(WaPo)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/30/supreme-court-federal-elections-state-legislatures/
Post by: Occam on June 30, 2022, 11:54:28 AM
"President Biden’s call Thursday to make an exception to filibuster rules to pass legislation protecting abortions is likely to be a tough sell with a pair of Senate Democrats: Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Joe Manchin III of West Virginia."
Post by: Occam on June 30, 2022, 12:02:25 PM
Because who needs clean air. It's totally overrated, just ask the good people living in New Delhi.
(https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/129e0cf0332b4d31ac84c0f93388da50_18.jpeg)
This could be you, soon.
And climate change will surely go away if only we ignore it hard enough!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 30, 2022, 12:11:42 PM
Post by: james on June 30, 2022, 12:12:07 PM
In other news, Biden is finally going against the filibuster in order to be able to codify a right to abortion, however
"President Biden’s call Thursday to make an exception to filibuster rules to pass legislation protecting abortions is likely to be a tough sell with a pair of Senate Democrats: Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Joe Manchin III of West Virginia."
All he has to do is remove two Republicans.
A delicious coffee sweetened with polonium.
That's it. That's all he has to do.
Moderates keep acting like there are no common sense solutions
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2022, 01:00:09 PM
Hey, you know what the solution is if you want to draw maps to your partisan advantage rather than your opponents?To get to what I assume Occam is referring to when he says I avoided questions there is only one solution in a democracy: advocate to win elections. Advocate to win elections. Advocate to win elections.
Yeah, about that...
"The Supreme Court said Thursday that it will consider what would be a radical change in the way federal elections are conducted, giving state legislatures sole authority to set the rules for contests even if their actions violated state constitutions and resulted in extreme partisan gerrymandering for congressional seats."
(WaPo)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/30/supreme-court-federal-elections-state-legislatures/
And the best news of the day: Supreme Court limits EPA’s power to combat climate changeCongress actually passed the Clean Air Acts though.
Because who needs clean air. It's totally overrated, just ask the good people living in New Delhi.
(https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/129e0cf0332b4d31ac84c0f93388da50_18.jpeg)
This could be you, soon.
And climate change will surely go away if only we ignore it hard enough!
Post by: who is ted danson? on June 30, 2022, 01:58:26 PM
In other news, Biden is finally going against the filibuster in order to be able to codify a right to abortion, however
"President Biden’s call Thursday to make an exception to filibuster rules to pass legislation protecting abortions is likely to be a tough sell with a pair of Senate Democrats: Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Joe Manchin III of West Virginia."
All he has to do is remove two Republicans.
A delicious coffee sweetened with polonium.
That's it. That's all he has to do.
Moderates keep acting like there are no common sense solutions
Better option:
(https://i.imgur.com/tnPtI1j.png)
Post by: Nintex on June 30, 2022, 02:02:16 PM
:info
Post by: Occam on June 30, 2022, 02:05:39 PM
Hey, you know what the solution is if you want to draw maps to your partisan advantage rather than your opponents?
A system that disallows partisan map drawing right from the start?
After the clerical fascists have made it virtually impossible to vote them out it may be too late.
Congress actually passed the Clean Air Acts though.
And that matters how?
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2022, 02:13:29 PM
A system that disallows partisan map drawing right from the start?What's the basis for your theory that the Republican Party is constitutionally entitled to a certain percentage of Congressional seats?
After the clerical fascists have made it virtually impossible to vote them out it may be too late.
And that matters how?What's the basis for your theory that the executive branch can claim powers that neither the Constitution nor Congress delegates to it?
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 30, 2022, 02:21:59 PM
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2022, 02:25:12 PM
I think we can all agree that the people who put trump in the white house actually have the real power to govern, that 4rth branch so to speak, that lives in the shadows.Actually my reading of the 3rd, 12th and 18th Amendments is that Trump is President for Life. :trumps
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on June 30, 2022, 02:35:35 PM
I think we can all agree that the people who put trump in the white house actually have the real power to govern, that 4rth branch so to speak, that lives in the shadows.Actually my reading of the 3rd, 12th and 18th Amendments is that Trump is President for Life. :trumps
I've always said that presidents are presidents for life, unless exo communicated and people laugh at me.
that's the only reason the SS kept trump off the steering wheel, because they were actually answering to Obama.
Post by: Occam on June 30, 2022, 02:47:31 PM
Post by: Sman on June 30, 2022, 03:28:57 PM
And the best news of the day: Supreme Court limits EPA’s power to combat climate change
Because who needs clean air. It's totally overrated, just ask the good people living in New Delhi.
(https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/129e0cf0332b4d31ac84c0f93388da50_18.jpeg)
This could be you, soon.
And climate change will surely go away if only we ignore it hard enough!
Come on, you got to admit, bad air makes artsy photos.
:checkit
Post by: Boredfrom on June 30, 2022, 06:37:27 PM
So January 6th went from Trump pussied out and left his supporters to be set up to Trump wanted to storm the capital, but the deep state stopped him. Awesome job democrats!
I mean, he still pussied out in the end. :trumps
Post by: Occam on July 01, 2022, 02:07:09 AM
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2022, 03:22:13 AM
You don't even have to learn the history to see this theory doesn't make any sense, who would enforce Article VI, Section II if not the Court?
Post by: Occam on July 01, 2022, 03:52:01 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison
That article says the Supreme Court gave itself the power of judicial review (because the Constitution doesn't https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Three_of_the_United_States_Constitution ) and determined that the Constitution was the law of the land, while making itself the highest authority on interpreting the Constitution. Which totally seems like a power the judicial branch should be allowed to bestow upon itself (I am kidding).
And of course the system of lawmakers electing the SC judges FOR LIFE (and requiring a 2/3 majority to impeach a judge) was created before political parties ever existed. Meaning, the system was never intended for use by partisan politicians.
Add to this the power of the court to overturn previous decisions by simple majority (=there is no such thing as precedent), consisting of only nine judges, without term limits and accountability.
The only surprising thing is that it took 200 years for these incredible flaws and the virtual omnipotence of the Supreme Court to become so obvious.
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2022, 10:28:16 AM
I find it strange that you're losing your mind and coming out against the rule of law so vehemently over something where the Court did the very thing you're now complaining about as beyond the pale and a threat to democracy. What do you think Roe was? The Court used judicial review to strike down (most) abortion bans as unconstitutional which imposed a minority view on the entire country.
Regarding some of your other claims I already outlined in the post Potato asked for how the Court has always been partisan and people have complained about it from the start including during the era of the framers when they actually tried to impeach a Justice over his views and eliminated one of the seats so that an opposition President could not fill it. So you can snark about it all you want but it doesn't make sense and sounds like you're arguing from ignorance to anyone who is cognizant of history.
Post by: VomKriege on July 01, 2022, 11:11:04 AM
Post by: Propagandhim on July 01, 2022, 11:41:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgSqVNnH0R8
:info
Global banks contending with inflation, and corporate and retail borrowers the world over juggle higher loan costs rippling throughout the world...why, they should have just blamed it all on Biden who is purposely doing it to get cheaper loan payoffs! Record losses for France's Societe Generale, Austria's Raiffeisen, Credit Agricole and Italy's UniCredit who have scrapped plans to buy back cheaply-valued stock in view of their capital slippage all should look to the one limiting factor: Joe Biden. Tucker is a genius. Reminder: This distinguished mentally-challenged fellow makes around $100,000 per day to spout absolute garbage to people who don't know any better.
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2022, 12:10:25 PM
:dobbs
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2022, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: https://www.thedailybeast.com/put-a-fork-in-donald-trump-the-ex-president-is-done
Put a Fork in Donald Trump—the Ex-President Is Done
David Rothkopf
Published Jul. 01, 2022 4:37AM ET
Mark it on your calendars. This was the week the meteoric political career of Donald Trump did what meteors often do and collided with planet Earth, leaving a large, ugly mark on the landscape.
The fact that Trump may soon announce his candidacy for the presidency in the days ahead is itself more of a sign of his political collapse than it is of any strength he may have.
...
Her testimony hit Washington and the U.S. political scene, also as large meteors can do, with the force of several atomic bombs. Even dyed-in-the-wool members of Team Trump began to abandon ship. They called it “damning,” “difficult to dismiss,” and “insane shit.” The Wall Street Journal ran an op-ed saying Trump should not run in 2024. The right-leaning Washington Examiner ran an editorial headlined “Trump proven unfit for power again.” Trump’s former attorney Ty Cobb said, “If this isn’t an insurrection I don’t know what is.” Former Trump Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney wrote, “Things could get very dark for the former president” after Hutchinson’s testimony.
Speaking at one of the sacred sites of the Republican right, the Ronald Reagan Library in California, Jan. 6 committee vice chair Liz Cheney (R-WY) got enthusiastic support from the crowd during a searing speech following this week’s hearing when she said, “It’s undeniable—the Republican Party cannot be both loyal to Donald Trump and loyal to the Constitution.”
...
it is fair to conclude that as bad as this week was for Trump, when the dust settles, he and we will find matters have only gotten worse for him, that, as of this week, he has once and for all plummeted to Earth and that finally and forever more, all the former president’s Fox friends and all of his men will not be able to put the brief shimmering political career of Donald Trump back together again.
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 01, 2022, 01:07:56 PM
:nintex
Post by: Nintex on July 01, 2022, 04:39:47 PM
Nintex finally defeated:Quote from: https://www.thedailybeast.com/put-a-fork-in-donald-trump-the-ex-president-is-donePut a Fork in Donald Trump—the Ex-President Is Done
David Rothkopf
Published Jul. 01, 2022 4:37AM ET
Mark it on your calendars. This was the week the meteoric political career of Donald Trump did what meteors often do and collided with planet Earth, leaving a large, ugly mark on the landscape.
The fact that Trump may soon announce his candidacy for the presidency in the days ahead is itself more of a sign of his political collapse than it is of any strength he may have.
...
Her testimony hit Washington and the U.S. political scene, also as large meteors can do, with the force of several atomic bombs. Even dyed-in-the-wool members of Team Trump began to abandon ship. They called it “damning,” “difficult to dismiss,” and “insane shit.” The Wall Street Journal ran an op-ed saying Trump should not run in 2024. The right-leaning Washington Examiner ran an editorial headlined “Trump proven unfit for power again.” Trump’s former attorney Ty Cobb said, “If this isn’t an insurrection I don’t know what is.” Former Trump Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney wrote, “Things could get very dark for the former president” after Hutchinson’s testimony.
Speaking at one of the sacred sites of the Republican right, the Ronald Reagan Library in California, Jan. 6 committee vice chair Liz Cheney (R-WY) got enthusiastic support from the crowd during a searing speech following this week’s hearing when she said, “It’s undeniable—the Republican Party cannot be both loyal to Donald Trump and loyal to the Constitution.”
...
it is fair to conclude that as bad as this week was for Trump, when the dust settles, he and we will find matters have only gotten worse for him, that, as of this week, he has once and for all plummeted to Earth and that finally and forever more, all the former president’s Fox friends and all of his men will not be able to put the brief shimmering political career of Donald Trump back together again.
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1542871930398720001 (https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1542871930398720001)
Quote
The national survey shows Trump leading Biden 44 percent to 39 percent in a head-to-head match-up
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1542886026821214209 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1542886026821214209)
:trumps
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on July 01, 2022, 04:59:18 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1542678283929763840
:nintex
https://mobile.twitter.com/oliviacpaschal/status/1542884006420791296
You gotta love millionaires begging poor people for money.
Post by: Nintex on July 01, 2022, 05:12:00 PM
$15 x 6427 = $96.405
$110.000.000 - $96.405 = $109.903.595
That still looks like a big beautiful gap to me :trumps
Post by: Propagandhim on July 01, 2022, 09:03:51 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on July 01, 2022, 09:35:00 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 01, 2022, 10:20:16 PM
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2022, 12:52:42 AM
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2022, 12:53:12 AM
You gotta love millionaires begging poor people for money.https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1543038554128822272
Post by: Potato on July 02, 2022, 01:12:48 AM
https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1542987572116422656Maybe she should consider what her religion says about marijuana and other intoxicants...
Post by: Nintex on July 02, 2022, 03:12:52 AM
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1543009934312460291 (https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1543009934312460291)
Post by: Nintex on July 02, 2022, 04:52:09 AM
"I've not been on stage with this many women since I had a baby shower"
"I'm not sure how that's going to go over Scott but we'll just let it hang"
"Mama Mia"
"Your campaign is a psy-op"
"Why can't we treat all human life like we would alien life when we discover it"
"The only drag I've ever dressed in is a suite and workers clothes I've never aspired to be Elvis Presley"
:dead
Post by: VomKriege on July 02, 2022, 05:38:00 AM
Alex Jones exclusively reports Trump is announcing his 2024 candidacy on July 4th
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1543009934312460291 (https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1543009934312460291)
From a response by very reliable Roger Stone that Trump could announce a run as soon as July (no date mentioned) and Alex working himself into how awesome it would be if it was July 4th.
Post by: VomKriege on July 02, 2022, 05:45:42 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mayra-flores-nancy-pelosi-elbow-girl-b2110779.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mayra-flores-nancy-pelosi-elbow-girl-b2110779.html)
Post by: Nintex on July 02, 2022, 07:36:04 AM
The President's men seem to want to prevent DeSantis from mounting a challenge against Trump after Joe Rogan said he would make a great President.Alex Jones exclusively reports Trump is announcing his 2024 candidacy on July 4th
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1543009934312460291 (https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1543009934312460291)
From a response by very reliable Roger Stone that Trump could announce a run as soon as July (no date mentioned) and Alex working himself into how awesome it would be if it was July 4th.
Not to mention Liz Cheney stealing the spotlight during the January 6th hearings and being presented as some sort of 'savior' of the Republican party.
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1541889036666564608 (https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1541889036666564608)
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1543057060501372928 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1543057060501372928)
Anyway I don't think Trump is going to announce that he's running on July 4th.
He's probably going to announce that he's going to announce that he's going to run.
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 02, 2022, 10:36:28 AM
Post by: Nintex on July 02, 2022, 06:53:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Thom_Hartmann/status/1543079241725534209 (https://twitter.com/Thom_Hartmann/status/1543079241725534209)
Governing by Tweet
https://twitter.com/litcapital/status/1543370604455383040 (https://twitter.com/litcapital/status/1543370604455383040)
Post by: james on July 03, 2022, 02:56:42 AM
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2022, 06:36:03 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWnBCJ3XgAAAPgk?format=jpg&name=small)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWnBCKhWAAAV4Qc?format=jpg&name=small) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWnBCKhWAAAV4Qc?format=jpg&name=large)
Quote from: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2022/07/01/feds-show-up-at-home-of-north-texas-woman-who-posted-angry-tweets-after-roe-decision/
Joshua Henry, a special agent for DHS, confirmed the letter’s authenticity and said it was delivered at 11:30 a.m. on Thursday. Robert Sperling, director of communication for the Federal Protective Service, also confirmed to The Dallas Morning News that the letter posted on Twitter was delivered.:american :american :american :american
...
Henry said Walker sharing the letter on Twitter could bring more trouble.
“She’s kind of taking it as a joke,” Henry said. “She’s not remorseful about these statements, so that’ll be presented to a United States Attorney and they’ll make a decision on that.”
When a reporter asked the Garland Police Department if their officers accompanied a federal agent to Walker’s house to deliver the letter, spokesman Pedro Barineau wrote in an email “since DHS confirmed they went out there, they will have all the details and will need to provide the information. We can’t speak about another agencies [sic] investigation.”
On Friday night, the Federal Protective Service sent an email with an official statement to The News.
“DHS’s Federal Protective Service coordinates with law enforcement partners across the country to protect federal facilities, and those who work in and visit those buildings, from violence,” the statement read.
“FPS may issue warnings as a result of threats made to federal facilities and federal employees, in line with standard law enforcement practices. Americans’ freedom of speech and right to peacefully protest are fundamental Constitutional rights. Those rights do not extend to violence and other illegal activity.”
The cited, uh, "statue" is an interesting choice too:
Quote from: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/115
1)Whoever—
(A)assaults, kidnaps, or murders, or attempts or conspires to kidnap or murder, or threatens to assault, kidnap or murder a member of the immediate family of a United States official, a United States judge, a Federal law enforcement officer, or an official whose killing would be a crime under section 1114 of this title; or
(B)threatens to assault, kidnap, or murder, a United States official, a United States judge, a Federal law enforcement officer, or an official whose killing would be a crime under such section,
with intent to impede, intimidate, or interfere with such official, judge, or law enforcement officer while engaged in the performance of official duties, or with intent to retaliate against such official, judge, or law enforcement officer on account of the performance of official duties, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).
(2)Whoever assaults, kidnaps, or murders, or attempts or conspires to kidnap or murder, or threatens to assault, kidnap, or murder, any person who formerly served as a person designated in paragraph (1), or a member of the immediate family of any person who formerly served as a person designated in paragraph (1), with intent to retaliate against such person on account of the performance of official duties during the term of service of such person, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).
She deleted the tweets so Agent Henry's apparent goal of abusing the law to moderate Twitter by illegally threatening people was accomplished.
Post by: Nintex on July 03, 2022, 07:23:59 AM
:salute
Post by: D3RANG3D on July 03, 2022, 07:33:46 AM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on July 04, 2022, 12:18:11 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/POTUS/status/1543590384273461248
Post by: Nintex on July 04, 2022, 12:57:05 PM
:trumps
Post by: Nintex on July 04, 2022, 07:21:10 PM
:wut
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2022, 07:24:54 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 04, 2022, 07:43:39 PM
Post by: Potato on July 04, 2022, 10:31:55 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW1Ol2FXoAAH2dd?format=jpg)Trying to explain percentages to that dense custard in human form would be a waste of time.
:wut
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2022, 11:22:23 PM
:american
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2022, 11:52:21 PM
:hmm
spoiler (click to show/hide)
wait, this guys profile says he's a government attorney
Quote
About:lol
I'm an attorney with a passion for process improvement, communication and effective organization. I like to take complex ideas and turn them into plain-English concepts. Nothing gives me more joy than showing someone how to use the tools available to them in order to accomplish the goals they've set out for themselves.
Counsel
California Governor's Office of Emergency Services
Dec 2021 - Present8 months
Sacramento, California, United States
[close]
edit: good thread, lots of top quality replies:
https://twitter.com/largest_son/status/1544132189415100417
There's a dude who wrote like a twenty tweet reply where he says he's been voting for the Democrats since 1988 and "all I got" was Roe overturned. :lol
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 05, 2022, 12:24:37 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 05, 2022, 02:45:06 PM
Just resign if you aren't up to the job, clowns.
Post by: james on July 05, 2022, 03:16:05 PM
The bastard did it.
Uncle Joe is the king
Oil tumbles as much as 10%, breaks below $100 as recession fears mount
Cheap gas summer is here :rejoice
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 05, 2022, 03:31:30 PM
Quote
After Uvalde shooting, Texas leaders will spend more than $100 million on school safety, mental health
Almost half the money is going toward bullet-resistant shields for school police officers, a move that Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick called on fellow state leaders to support
:dead
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on July 05, 2022, 05:51:04 PM
Next mass shooting I’m in, I will shout VOTE at the top of my lungs to shield myself from the bullets.
Post by: chronovore on July 05, 2022, 10:53:43 PM
https://www.khou.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/texas-spending-millions-after-uvalde-massacre/285-087e1b9c-4a1c-4f77-a662-fa0f500b0c0aQuoteAfter Uvalde shooting, Texas leaders will spend more than $100 million on school safety, mental health
Almost half the money is going toward bullet-resistant shields for school police officers, a move that Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick called on fellow state leaders to support
:dead
So money is being spent on protecting the police officers, who were reluctant to actually engage in a manner which required protection?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/1isfHC4xV65mvjqGth/giphy.gif)
Post by: james on July 06, 2022, 10:31:56 AM
:rejoice
Post by: Nintex on July 06, 2022, 02:20:17 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW7eN-zXEAY8lNx?format=jpg)
:dead
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 06, 2022, 02:24:27 PM
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2022, 02:38:50 PM
Why is the main page of c-span about european politics with a sidenote about the shootings?To be fair, I think C-SPAN's site is more focused on the events they cover rather than the news in general. Unless somebody is giving a speech about shootings or there's a hearing or something like that it's more likely it will just be the events they record.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 06, 2022, 02:43:33 PM
Why is the main page of c-span about european politics with a sidenote about the shootings?To be fair, I think C-SPAN's site is more focused on the events they cover rather than the news in general. Unless somebody is giving a speech about shootings or there's a hearing or something like that it's more likely it will just be the events they record.
(https://i.imgur.com/rhZRTWW.png)
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They just read my post and put biden in the pic frame.
Post by: Uncle on July 06, 2022, 02:54:42 PM
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/05/politics/democrats-frustrated-biden-lack-of-urgency-supreme-court-setbacks/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/05/politics/democrats-frustrated-biden-lack-of-urgency-supreme-court-setbacks/index.html)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW7eN-zXEAY8lNx?format=jpg)
:dead
wait why is this part remotely important
Quote
A White House press aide assigned to the issue was walking to get coffee when the alert hit.
press aides are meant to be sitting stock still, watching and waiting to be ready to act at any moment, and should not be getting coffee? also which aide? why does this matter?
Post by: james on July 06, 2022, 03:03:02 PM
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/05/politics/democrats-frustrated-biden-lack-of-urgency-supreme-court-setbacks/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/05/politics/democrats-frustrated-biden-lack-of-urgency-supreme-court-setbacks/index.html)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW7eN-zXEAY8lNx?format=jpg)
:dead
wait why is this part remotely importantQuoteA White House press aide assigned to the issue was walking to get coffee when the alert hit.
press aides are meant to be sitting stock still, watching and waiting to be ready to act at any moment, and should not be getting coffee? also which aide? why does this matter?
Why are our tax dollars being used to purchase over-priced cafe coffee?
Get a fucking Mr Coffee from Walmart.
Post by: Uncle on July 06, 2022, 03:09:07 PM
Quote
Inside the White House, criticism and proposals from fellow Democrats are often seen as the latest version of, essentially, presidential fan fiction -- the kind of visceral, political statement that sounds great from the sidelines but doesn't actually make sense.
For example, in the wake of the Supreme Court's abortion reversal, New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren and New York Gov. Kathy Hochul have called for the White House to open up federal lands to abortion clinics, a move that lawyers inside and some outside the government believe would backfire by leaving abortion providers and women open to potential prosecution as soon as they stepped off the federal lands.
:obama
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 06, 2022, 03:10:46 PM
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2022, 03:11:21 PM
Why are our tax dollars being used to purchase over-priced cafe coffee?I think they might mean the person was out of the room doing that not miles away at a cafe?
Get a fucking Mr Coffee from Walmart.
There's at least one coffee machine in the White House right off the Briefing Room, you can see it in a bunch of Jen Psaki getting hyped backstage images.
Though that fat cat Biden probably got rid of both the Diet Coke button and the machine to supply the True President with Diet Coke at any moment.
Post by: Nintex on July 06, 2022, 03:14:38 PM
https://twitter.com/Jerone4Congress/status/1544700948164972546 (https://twitter.com/Jerone4Congress/status/1544700948164972546)
Post by: VomKriege on July 06, 2022, 03:59:24 PM
Edit : plans to put new regulations in place but some amount being wiped clean still under consideration.
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2022, 04:18:56 PM
Post by: VomKriege on July 06, 2022, 04:43:49 PM
Anyhow they really need that to have something to have their hat to hang on for elections.
Post by: VomKriege on July 06, 2022, 04:47:49 PM
https://twitter.com/JohnCornyn/status/1530585344231583745
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2022, 11:01:49 PM
:hmm
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2022, 11:06:45 PM
:cruise
Post by: D3RANG3D on July 07, 2022, 01:01:24 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 07, 2022, 09:32:03 AM
So apparently we're nearing the point of "partial student debt restructuring" by the Biden administration... What is the general outline of what it should entail ?
Edit : plans to put new regulations in place but some amount being wiped clean still under consideration.
What the fuck ? They still haven't done it?
I didn't realize it was still in talks.
Post by: VomKriege on July 07, 2022, 10:21:28 AM
So apparently we're nearing the point of "partial student debt restructuring" by the Biden administration... What is the general outline of what it should entail ?
Edit : plans to put new regulations in place but some amount being wiped clean still under consideration.
What the fuck ? They still haven't done it?
I didn't realize it was still in talks.
There's a whole part of changing the rules for loans, interest, delay to forgiveness etc which I suppose must be approved or voted on.
The 10k$ wipe they say they're still looking into supposedly though it's maybe more a matter of packaging it all together. There was, it seems, some debate whether the executive can do this unilaterally or if Congress had a say (because erasing all those deeds obviously is loss future revenue for the budget).
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 07, 2022, 10:34:28 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 07, 2022, 10:35:39 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW7LgfnXEAAP7Sc?format=png&name=small)
:cruise
Didn't realize maverick was a failure ending movie.
Post by: james on July 07, 2022, 10:39:45 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 07, 2022, 10:42:28 AM
Could I take out a 10k loan and use it to help sugar babies get through college and then write it off?
Yes, just set up a non profit org.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 07, 2022, 10:42:37 AM
Post by: VomKriege on July 07, 2022, 11:03:59 AM
so the admin as just putting things off.
Maybe they want to keep the official announcement closer to the election.
Post by: Occam on July 07, 2022, 11:23:25 AM
I find it strange that you're losing your mind and coming out against the rule of law so vehemently
Quite the opposite. You continue to read things I don't write. There really is not much left of the rule of law in the USA.
Five extremist judges have begun to arbitrarily strike down any laws and previous rulings they don't like while sanctioning Gerrymandering and party financing corruption, and there is little anyone can do about it now or in the future, as undemocratic minority rule intensifies.
While you continue to claim that all is well and the system works as intended, American democracy is foundering. Unfortunately this will have negative consequences around the world.
Post by: james on July 07, 2022, 02:51:32 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 07, 2022, 03:04:23 PM
What happened to Trumps big fourth of July running announcement, Nintex?
he's already president
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2022, 04:23:00 PM
Quite the opposite. You continue to read things I don't write.::)
...
While you continue to claim that all is well and the system works as intended, American democracy is foundering.
I have never, not once, claimed that "all is well" nor advocated that nothing should ever be done. You fight with enemies in your head.
Post by: Occam on July 07, 2022, 04:53:53 PM
Where do you think America is headed?
Post by: Nintex on July 07, 2022, 06:07:48 PM
What happened to Trumps big fourth of July running announcement, Nintex?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsmV7aIXDvg
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW_ff1fUcAAu9re?format=jpg)
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2022, 12:02:36 AM
Very well then, to establish a baseline, a common frame of reference if you don't mind, what do you think is wrong with America's system of government? No need for a wall of text, just a few short bullet points.A layup is doubling the size of the House. Obviously quadrupling it would be more ideal but I imagine the partisans would lose their minds if you just tried to round up to 501 so I'll split the difference.
Where do you think America is headed?
Post by: OnlyRegret on July 08, 2022, 12:49:14 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 08, 2022, 01:17:58 PM
Biden put his dick down.
Imagine if he did this for everything else.
Post by: Occam on July 08, 2022, 02:50:15 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 08, 2022, 02:51:52 PM
https://twitter.com/EmilieSimons46/status/1545444891609776128 (https://twitter.com/EmilieSimons46/status/1545444891609776128)
Did he tho Emilie?
Post by: D3RANG3D on July 08, 2022, 07:02:18 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 09, 2022, 07:10:30 AM
The tuck with the KO
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 09, 2022, 07:14:24 AM
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 09, 2022, 08:59:31 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW1cHl7WAAEb9u-?format=jpg)
:trumps
Interesting to think about the Ukraine invasion under Trump's nose. I'm guessing he wouldn't have lifted a finger
Post by: Nintex on July 09, 2022, 11:33:01 AM
One of the plans was to have Erik Prince create a private $10 billion army and to consolidate Ukrainian military aircraft production into a consortium that could rival Boeing or Airbus in order to deny China and Russia access to scale their aircraft production.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FW1cHl7WAAEb9u-?format=jpg)
:trumps
Interesting to think about the Ukraine invasion under Trump's nose. I'm guessing he wouldn't have lifted a finger
Before the invasion Prince proposed the Biden administration to send ~150 retired US military planes (F15's, F16's, A10's etc.) to Ukraine along with contractor pilots. Creating an airforce as a deterrence against the invasion.
Given what happened with North Korea and the Abraham accords in the Middle East as well as ISIS and Soleimani I doubt that 'not lifting a finger' would've been Trump's strategy in case of a Russian invasion of Ukraine.
I don't think any US President can be blamed for the current situation even if the coup of 2014 was sort of the match that lit the fire.
It all comes down to Germany not willing to part with cheap Russian energy and Europe neglecting defense spending after the cold war ended and appeasing or helping Russia every step of the way.
Putin wouldn't have been able to stay in power without the likes of Rutte and Merkel.
Post by: BikeJesus on July 10, 2022, 02:30:53 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWnAjleXoAAXw4D?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWnBCJ3XgAAAPgk?format=jpg&name=small)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWnBCKhWAAAV4Qc?format=jpg&name=small) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWnBCKhWAAAV4Qc?format=jpg&name=large)Quote from: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2022/07/01/feds-show-up-at-home-of-north-texas-woman-who-posted-angry-tweets-after-roe-decision/Joshua Henry, a special agent for DHS, confirmed the letter’s authenticity and said it was delivered at 11:30 a.m. on Thursday. Robert Sperling, director of communication for the Federal Protective Service, also confirmed to The Dallas Morning News that the letter posted on Twitter was delivered.:american :american :american :american
...
Henry said Walker sharing the letter on Twitter could bring more trouble.
“She’s kind of taking it as a joke,” Henry said. “She’s not remorseful about these statements, so that’ll be presented to a United States Attorney and they’ll make a decision on that.”
When a reporter asked the Garland Police Department if their officers accompanied a federal agent to Walker’s house to deliver the letter, spokesman Pedro Barineau wrote in an email “since DHS confirmed they went out there, they will have all the details and will need to provide the information. We can’t speak about another agencies [sic] investigation.”
On Friday night, the Federal Protective Service sent an email with an official statement to The News.
“DHS’s Federal Protective Service coordinates with law enforcement partners across the country to protect federal facilities, and those who work in and visit those buildings, from violence,” the statement read.
“FPS may issue warnings as a result of threats made to federal facilities and federal employees, in line with standard law enforcement practices. Americans’ freedom of speech and right to peacefully protest are fundamental Constitutional rights. Those rights do not extend to violence and other illegal activity.”
The cited, uh, "statue" is an interesting choice too:Quote from: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1151)Whoever—
(A)assaults, kidnaps, or murders, or attempts or conspires to kidnap or murder, or threatens to assault, kidnap or murder a member of the immediate family of a United States official, a United States judge, a Federal law enforcement officer, or an official whose killing would be a crime under section 1114 of this title; or
(B)threatens to assault, kidnap, or murder, a United States official, a United States judge, a Federal law enforcement officer, or an official whose killing would be a crime under such section,
with intent to impede, intimidate, or interfere with such official, judge, or law enforcement officer while engaged in the performance of official duties, or with intent to retaliate against such official, judge, or law enforcement officer on account of the performance of official duties, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).
(2)Whoever assaults, kidnaps, or murders, or attempts or conspires to kidnap or murder, or threatens to assault, kidnap, or murder, any person who formerly served as a person designated in paragraph (1), or a member of the immediate family of any person who formerly served as a person designated in paragraph (1), with intent to retaliate against such person on account of the performance of official duties during the term of service of such person, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).
She deleted the tweets so Agent Henry's apparent goal of abusing the law to moderate Twitter by illegally threatening people was accomplished.
Woken up at 11:30am? Tell me you're a useless, jobless slob without telling me you're a useless jobless slob.
Post by: Nintex on July 10, 2022, 04:04:10 AM
:trumps
Post by: VomKriege on July 10, 2022, 04:22:33 AM
Post by: Sman on July 10, 2022, 08:18:37 AM
https://twitter.com/BasedByAccident/status/1545942481392570369
So what?
:elon
I wouldn't invite him either.
Post by: Nintex on July 10, 2022, 08:33:35 AM
The White House staff is still unsure why he insisted on meeting them about matters of foreign policy.
Post by: Nintex on July 10, 2022, 11:50:08 AM
Post by: Occam on July 10, 2022, 02:23:36 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 10, 2022, 02:31:11 PM
Biden officially joining the sub 30 club.
Post by: Occam on July 10, 2022, 02:37:30 PM
Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2022, 02:40:24 PM
#TrumpIsALaughingStock is trending on Twitter.It's another one of those fake hashtags that a few well known accounts pay to bot into briefly trending if you only view accounts predisposed to participating in it before everyone moves onto something else that catches their attention. Happens constantly about all kinds of things. This one has made it to a whopping 14K total tweets so they definitely got their monies worth. (They did not.)
Post by: Potato on July 10, 2022, 03:09:19 PM
How do they do social media so bad after they got it so right with Obama?
This can only backfire, just like every time they've tried to paint Trump as a bumbling idiot. His base likes him BECAUSE he's a bumbling idiot, just like them.
Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2022, 03:16:13 PM
Such an obvious and poorly thought out riposte to the "repeat the line" fiasco that it could only have come from sycophants who are desperately trying to divert attention.I mean it's not the same people at all, if you dig into these hashtags it always goes back to the same stupid accounts that always start them off with "let's see if we can get this trending" then they bot into existence for their followers who will just post random stuff to it for like an hour and move on. People like BrooklynDad_Defiant or OccupyDemocrats.
How do they do social media so bad after they got it so right with Obama?
It's not a Democrat thing, there's Republican or conservative accounts that do the same stupid stuff. You just don't see it unless you're already in that circle because the algorithm only sends you stuff you'll like even if you just like to hate it.
Post by: Transhuman on July 10, 2022, 11:28:29 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWnAjleXoAAXw4D?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWnBCJ3XgAAAPgk?format=jpg&name=small)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWnBCKhWAAAV4Qc?format=jpg&name=small) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWnBCKhWAAAV4Qc?format=jpg&name=large)
I vaguely remember a fee years back I think it was one of the Chapo guys got raided by FBI/Secret Service for a "threatening tweet" that was clearly in jest? Am I remembering that right?
Post by: Nintex on July 11, 2022, 01:01:35 PM
:hesright
Post by: james on July 11, 2022, 01:14:56 PM
Post by: BIONIC on July 11, 2022, 02:35:22 PM
Post by: Uncle on July 11, 2022, 02:55:46 PM
I wouldn’t even vote for him in Minecraft tbh
https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/1/21409727/biden-harris-animal-crossing-campaign-new-horizons-yard-signs-election
(https://i.imgur.com/SHSLtDP.png)
Post by: Nintex on July 11, 2022, 03:09:36 PM
Ah well it does put an end to the Russian narrative that he was running biochemical research labs in Ukraine.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 11, 2022, 03:31:13 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 11, 2022, 06:00:24 PM
What Hunter biden stuff?Twitter is trying to delete it so the bois are making edits and their censors can't pick it up :lol
:nsfw
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/crackconnoisser/status/1546612921526018048 (https://twitter.com/crackconnoisser/status/1546612921526018048)
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https://twitter.com/damonimani/status/1546581343768924162 (https://twitter.com/damonimani/status/1546581343768924162)
Why is Joe Biden's nickname on his sons phone 'Pedo Peter' :thinking
Post by: Nintex on July 12, 2022, 02:56:26 AM
Allright you've got this
Post by: Occam on July 12, 2022, 09:17:49 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/12/us/politics/trump-approval-polling-2024.html
Post by: VomKriege on July 12, 2022, 09:44:52 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/BuL3O26.jpg)
Post by: VomKriege on July 12, 2022, 12:46:27 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 12, 2022, 03:22:47 PM
Half of G.O.P. Voters Ready to Leave Trump Behind, Poll Finds
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/12/us/politics/trump-approval-polling-2024.html
The Trump DeSantis civil war has started but the winner gets all the votes of the other so does it really matter?
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1546669610509799424 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1546669610509799424)
It's not like if Trump or DeSantis loses, their supporters aren't going to back the Republican candidate.
The presidential race will basically be decided in the Republican primary unless some kind of miracle happens between now and 2024.
As far as I can tell it is too late for the global economy to turn around so the Kremlin losing the war in Ukraine is the sort of thing that could boost the Democrats.
Post by: Nintex on July 12, 2022, 05:02:46 PM
:usacry
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2022, 05:54:43 PM
As far as I can tell it is too late for the global economy to turn around so the Kremlin losing the war in Ukraine is the sort of thing that could boost the Democrats.:wut
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2022, 11:10:01 PM
:hesright
Post by: Nintex on July 13, 2022, 02:16:58 AM
:lol
Post by: Nintex on July 13, 2022, 01:25:20 PM
New inflation record just dropped
Post by: Nintex on July 13, 2022, 05:13:19 PM
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1547224469634273280 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1547224469634273280)
Post by: Nintex on July 14, 2022, 03:06:44 AM
:lol
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2022, 12:30:31 PM
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1546134471841292294 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1546134471841292294)
Biden officially joining the sub 30 club.
:thinking This feels historical this early into his first term.
Living in rural CT I definitely see Biden bashing pretty much daily, but I figured that was just the area
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 14, 2022, 01:14:22 PM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1547397629260226560 (https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1547397629260226560)
:lol
That is a pretty shitty thing to do
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2022, 01:19:16 PM
Post by: Transhuman on July 14, 2022, 01:29:28 PM
We can't punish a man for telling the truth.
"Big booty"??
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2022, 01:33:52 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 14, 2022, 01:37:20 PM
AOC yelling at people in front of the capitol seems to be a new trend.
Post by: Nintex on July 14, 2022, 02:36:30 PM
:thinking This feels historical this early into his first term.It all went to shit after they lost Afghanistan despite boasting that they wouldn't and denying the things that would literally happen hours later.
Living in rural CT I definitely see Biden bashing pretty much daily, but I figured that was just the area
That's when it was clear that something wasn't quite right. Before that everyone was sort of in 'wait and see' mode hoping things would return to normal.
Biden didn't even fire the people responsible, nor did they resign. It's like the Obama administration, an economy down the tubes and one foreign policy disaster after another sugar coated by the media.
But they have to stick with Biden because Kamala somehow combines the worst of Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin into one incredibly dumb and unlikable person.
Like I said earlier, the Democrats now have to depend on some kind of military victory in Ukraine, because time is running out for any of their policies to turn around the economy.
Winning Ukraine would likely mean ousting Putin, which would open up the door to cheap Russian energy again. The problem with Ukraine though is that there isn't a strategy or an idea of what 'victory' looks like.
The US and most of their allies just say: "We need to support Ukraine without any limits" and pour more weapons into the country even openly declaring that they don't see the point in diplomacy.
It's absolute madness that we keep fighting and supporting wars without objectives.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 14, 2022, 04:41:39 PM
Post by: Potato on July 14, 2022, 07:38:23 PM
I don't think anyone with a functioning brain or moral code thinks he's the one who looks good in that video.https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1547397629260226560 (https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1547397629260226560)
:lol
That is a pretty shitty thing to do
Edit: Or that he leaves with any of his dignity intact (not that you would have any in the first place to do something like this).
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2022, 09:12:47 PM
:thinking This feels historical this early into his first term.It all went to shit after they lost Afghanistan despite boasting that they wouldn't and denying the things that would literally happen hours later.
Living in rural CT I definitely see Biden bashing pretty much daily, but I figured that was just the area
That's when it was clear that something wasn't quite right. Before that everyone was sort of in 'wait and see' mode hoping things would return to normal.
Biden didn't even fire the people responsible, nor did they resign. It's like the Obama administration, an economy down the tubes and one foreign policy disaster after another sugar coated by the media.
But they have to stick with Biden because Kamala somehow combines the worst of Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin into one incredibly dumb and unlikable person.
Like I said earlier, the Democrats now have to depend on some kind of military victory in Ukraine, because time is running out for any of their policies to turn around the economy.
Winning Ukraine would likely mean ousting Putin, which would open up the door to cheap Russian energy again. The problem with Ukraine though is that there isn't a strategy or an idea of what 'victory' looks like.
The US and most of their allies just say: "We need to support Ukraine without any limits" and pour more weapons into the country even openly declaring that they don't see the point in diplomacy.
It's absolute madness that we keep fighting and supporting wars without objectives.
I'm really sick of Dems being the hawks.
The one thing I'll give Donald the Dove :trumps
And Obama for Cuba. :obama
Post by: Nintex on July 15, 2022, 03:48:06 AM
I don't think anyone with a functioning brain or moral code thinks he's the one who looks good in that video.https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1547397629260226560 (https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1547397629260226560)
:lol
That is a pretty shitty thing to do
Edit: Or that he leaves with any of his dignity intact (not that you would have any in the first place to do something like this).
He's a "comedian"
https://twitter.com/WhitlockJason/status/1547701779059511307 (https://twitter.com/WhitlockJason/status/1547701779059511307)
Post by: Potato on July 15, 2022, 04:24:23 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 15, 2022, 08:52:30 AM
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 15, 2022, 12:19:57 PM
https://twitter.com/AriFleischer/status/1547914574686326786
Post by: Nintex on July 15, 2022, 12:30:32 PM
Quote
“Everyone I talk to is desperately hoping for it — desperately. I don’t know anybody who is not hoping for it,” said a Democratic operative in frequent touch with the White House. “While it has been good for my mental health that Trump is off Twitter, it also has put him to the side a little bit.”
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-2024-decision.html (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-2024-decision.html)
Quote
“It’s Trumpworld, man,” the current adviser said. “It’ll be done the way we do everything else. It’ll be very last minute; it’ll be a surprise. We’ll cowboy it like 2016.”:dead
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1547963468585742340 (https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1547963468585742340)
:tocry
https://twitter.com/RSBNetwork/status/1547950055428042754 (https://twitter.com/RSBNetwork/status/1547950055428042754)
:trumps
Post by: Occam on July 15, 2022, 02:49:45 PM
His [Trump's] base likes him BECAUSE he's a bumbling idiot, just like them.
That's really the gist of it all, isn't it?
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2022, 03:10:33 PM
This guyWhy does Ari think 2023 would be the one-year anniversary of something that happened in 2021? :hmm
twitter.com/AriFleischer/status/1547914574686326786
Post by: Nintex on July 15, 2022, 05:12:10 PM
https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1547996467687616512 (https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1547996467687616512)
:idont
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on July 15, 2022, 06:28:52 PM
:american
Fuck Tunnels!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 15, 2022, 07:01:42 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXuZUNdVQAAOCdU?format=jpg)
https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1547996467687616512 (https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1547996467687616512)
:idont
Nice to see Joes hair finally correctly reflect how Ben Garrison depicts it :biden
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2022, 07:17:32 PM
Post by: Potato on July 16, 2022, 12:35:53 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXuZUNdVQAAOCdU?format=jpg)If high oil prices means Newcastle can sign Lucas Paqueta and Moussa Diaby, then I'm all for it.
https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1547996467687616512 (https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1547996467687616512)
:idont
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2022, 06:11:35 AM
That picture incenses me. What the Fuck is Biden doing?They're putting together a coalition to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran. Biden said something like: "using force as a last resort" from stopping Iran to get a nuke.
And then the Israeli PM said that the free world would stop Iran from getting a nuke whatever the cost as Biden was standing next to him. The Saudi's also align with this
https://twitter.com/Naija_PR/status/1548165113668022272 (https://twitter.com/Naija_PR/status/1548165113668022272)
Macron was caught on camera telling Biden (or rather Blinken) the Saudi's are tapped out as far as oil is concerned and thus pressed Biden to produce more in the US instead.
The leaders of most of the Gulf States are in Saudi Arabia this weekend for a summit.
Iran is an important ally for Russia so taking them out kills 3 birds with 1 stone. Russia loses a powerful ally, Iranian oil can be used to fix the energy crisis and Iran's nuclear capability will no longer be a threat to Israel/Saudi Arabia.
The response in the region is mixed, Iraq has declared it won't join a 'Middle East NATO' and won't attack it's neighbours.
Egypt has also said that they aren't planning to join at this time but their leadership is attending the summit.
With the Russians busy in Ukraine and Turkey poised to invade Syria their allies are in no position to help Iran against a joint Israeli/Saudi/US strike.
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 16, 2022, 08:52:41 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/lDFtNdT.png)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62186332
Post by: Tasty on July 16, 2022, 10:42:08 AM
That picture incenses me. What the Fuck is Biden doing?They're putting together a coalition to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran. Biden said something like: "using force as a last resort" from stopping Iran to get a nuke.
And then the Israeli PM said that the free world would stop Iran from getting a nuke whatever the cost as Biden was standing next to him. The Saudi's also align with this
https://twitter.com/Naija_PR/status/1548165113668022272 (https://twitter.com/Naija_PR/status/1548165113668022272)
Macron was caught on camera telling Biden (or rather Blinken) the Saudi's are tapped out as far as oil is concerned and thus pressed Biden to produce more in the US instead.
The leaders of most of the Gulf States are in Saudi Arabia this weekend for a summit.
Iran is an important ally for Russia so taking them out kills 3 birds with 1 stone. Russia loses a powerful ally, Iranian oil can be used to fix the energy crisis and Iran's nuclear capability will no longer be a threat to Israel/Saudi Arabia.
The response in the region is mixed, Iraq has declared it won't join a 'Middle East NATO' and won't attack it's neighbours.
Egypt has also said that they aren't planning to join at this time but their leadership is attending the summit.
With the Russians busy in Ukraine and Turkey poised to invade Syria their allies are in no position to help Iran against a joint Israeli/Saudi/US strike.
Damn iran seemed so promising.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 16, 2022, 11:12:10 AM
This is a pretty funny contrast
(https://i.imgur.com/lDFtNdT.png)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62186332
Maybe Biden thinks snitches should sleep in ditches :nothot
Post by: Nintex on July 16, 2022, 04:09:22 PM
Biden doesn't have much of a choice on this. He can make an enemy out of Saudi Arabia or force some good old regime change but MBS has the keys to the kingdom and the Saudi military is very ineffective.
Chances are that if you overthrow MBS you'll end up with someone or something much worse or the Saudi's side with China. There just isn't any viable 'democratic' or 'liberal' opposition and no army loyal to anything but petro dollars.
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 16, 2022, 04:47:28 PM
Post by: Tasty on July 16, 2022, 05:21:29 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on July 16, 2022, 11:50:26 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on July 17, 2022, 01:34:20 PM
The Washington Post is a cold place for coworkers. :lol
Post by: Potato on July 17, 2022, 02:56:57 PM
https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1548632161938538497MBS had revolutionised Saudi society and culture. He has taken them from Stone Age to Bronze Age. We should be thankful.
The Washington Post is a cold place for coworkers. :lol
Post by: Nintex on July 17, 2022, 03:13:40 PM
https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1548340598326693891 (https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1548340598326693891)
It boggles the mind that Biden hasn't fired Blinken yet.
Macron warned him, the Saudi's wouldn't increase production.
:doge
Post by: VomKriege on July 18, 2022, 02:09:43 AM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1548877631151833090
Post by: Nintex on July 18, 2022, 08:25:13 AM
Quote
just somewhat randomly guess based on which candidates are leading in polls
doesn't have the same ring to it as:
Quote
Data-driven news and analysis from Nate Silver's FiveThirtyEight
He basically admits it's all just the gut feeling of an autisty :lol
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 18, 2022, 09:33:07 AM
Nate Silver's site: "Franchot is favored to win"
Franchot: "I'm favored to win"
Nate Silver: "How dare you, apologize for spreading disinfo"
Post by: VomKriege on July 18, 2022, 09:37:17 AM
Amazing that the tweet is still up
Nate Silver's site: "Franchot is favored to win"
Franchot: "I'm favored to win"
Nate Silver: "How dare you, apologize for spreading disinfo"
The guy is saying he's favoured to win the primary but the poll is about his chances in the actual election if he is selected but apparently 538 is not making any calls on the primary.
It's confusing and Nattu Bronze is not really explaining it well.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 18, 2022, 10:01:32 AM
Nate's disclaimerQuotejust somewhat randomly guess based on which candidates are leading in polls
doesn't have the same ring to it as:QuoteData-driven news and analysis from Nate Silver's FiveThirtyEight
He basically admits it's all just the gut feeling of an autisty :lol
And your posts just keep getting dumber. What he said was specifically about primaries, you don't then get to remove the context and make the generalization that 'it's all' just gut feeling just because it fits your conspiratorial worldview.
Post by: Nintex on July 18, 2022, 10:13:02 AM
Possibly losing another chunk of Ukraine after Obama already lost the Crimea and who knows what the state of the world will be by November.
But some of the Republican candidates like Dr. Oz seem both clueless and cringe.
They are hardly 'disciplined' conservatives like Ron DeSantis that the Republican electorate seems to like best right now and Oz's boomer-level meme game sucks too :doge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 18, 2022, 10:32:24 AM
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2022, 10:58:45 AM
That picture incenses me. What the Fuck is Biden doing?
A terrorist fist bump.
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 18, 2022, 10:59:11 AM
Amazing that the tweet is still up
Nate Silver's site: "Franchot is favored to win"
Franchot: "I'm favored to win"
Nate Silver: "How dare you, apologize for spreading disinfo"
The guy is saying he's favoured to win the primary but the poll is about his chances in the actual election if he is selected but apparently 538 is not making any calls on the primary.
It's confusing and Nattu Bronze is not really explaining it well.
Ah ok, makes more sense. Though if Silver is that worried about his prediction being misunderstood he should probably do something more than just add an asterisk.
Post by: Nintex on July 18, 2022, 11:01:23 AM
Yup he's playing fast and loose with thisAmazing that the tweet is still up
Nate Silver's site: "Franchot is favored to win"
Franchot: "I'm favored to win"
Nate Silver: "How dare you, apologize for spreading disinfo"
The guy is saying he's favoured to win the primary but the poll is about his chances in the actual election if he is selected but apparently 538 is not making any calls on the primary.
It's confusing and Nattu Bronze is not really explaining it well.
Ah ok, makes more sense. Though if Silver is that worried about his prediction being misunderstood he should probably do something more than just add an asterisk.
I can't tell if that is a reply to me because, if so, none of that is relevant to what I said other than more evidence to show you are primed to thinking that predicting elections doesn't work and hence why you'd be more comfortable drawing faulty inferences like the one you made. Again, you don't get to strip away the context of a quote then act as if it's some kind of admission to the thing you believe in.There really wasn't much context. Nate always hides behind asterisks and word salads to both make his numbers and forecasts sound more interesting as well as not take any accountability when he is wrong.
His polling method is basically: "Yes this is the poll, but this is how I feel about the poll". To be fair he usually has buttons on his site to disable his 'analysis' and get the actual numbers.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 18, 2022, 11:41:45 AM
There really wasn't much context.
Bitch please, the context is the exact words you decided to edit out. Let me put this a way your rat brain might understand:
QuoteWe don't predict primary outcomes just somewhat randomly guess based on which candidates are leading in polls
doesn't have the same ring to it as:Quotejust somewhat randomly guess based on which candidates are leading in polls
Your basically admitting it's all just the gut feeling of an illiterate :lol
Saying the words primary outcomes is all the context you need to be understand that he his only talking about models of the primaries. You then took this to be not only a statement but an admission that all the models are just random guesses and you did so because this is what you already believe.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 18, 2022, 11:52:43 AM
Post by: Nintex on July 18, 2022, 12:20:50 PM
Asked if he was to blame for the tragedy because he altered the flight plan: "No I don't think so, I didn't see the mountain but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with my flight plan or flight skills".
After some deliberation a new group of passengers shows up. Surely anyone could've missed that mountain, who knows maybe the Russians hacked the flight controls!
Before take off a curious passenger asks: "Will we land safely this time?"
"Yes, we will land* safely!" Nate assures them "Read these brochures about our other flights* too" reassured by these words they all happily board the plane as he slightly adjusts the flight plan based on 'new data' that somehow the other pilots missed.
Once in the air one of the passenger calls her family: "Don't worry Nate's not going to crash into the mountain this time grandpa! In fact we're going to land safely!"
"WAIT A MINUTE" Nate yells, "I never said anything about not crashing into a mountain I was just talking about the possible landing at the end of this flight. I would appreciate if you took back what you just said on the phone."
One passenger asks: "So are we crashing into this mountain or what!?". "Shut up rat brain!" Another passenger screams "Nate knows what he's doing!"
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 18, 2022, 12:40:12 PM
Again the issue is not with the predictive models, I'm not arguing their models are good, that is completely beside the point. The point is you believe the general models are bad. You then ignored context to gleefully imply that yourworldview was right all along, it's just an 'autisy' making stuff up and this is an admission of such. Except that context shows that he is referring to a very specific thing. So the outcome of this is you're going to go on thinking that Nate Silver admitted his models are just random predictions, when nothing like that happened. Then when questioned on it your just do word salad about the state of US politics or do your fucking skit thing, since even if you made a mistake here your point still stands because everyone knows the models are bad. You do this in all the political and culture war threads, just long chains of bad inferences and misreadings but your logic doesn't matter because the thing you believe is true and it's not worth questing how you go there because insert skit with trump or elon arms up emoticons. Like I can see the cogs in your head turning and I just want to stick my finger in them cause it's so fucking dumb.
Post by: benjipwns on July 18, 2022, 01:02:04 PM
He basically admits it's all just the gut feeling of an autisty :lolAll 538's model does is slightly skew the aggregate based on past polling performance. The skew is actually arguably less change from the aggregate than it used to be because the aggregate itself is already pretty accurate and the worst pollsters fail out of the business.
Nate's bad at tweeting but you're taking shots at his model while not knowing what it is nor why it's not very important in the first place. Point to 2016 all you want but not only was 538's model the least pro-Hillary of all the public ones it wasn't any different from the polling aggregate. Which makes sense since Hillary did win the meaningless race that most corresponds to a national poll.
It's getting hard to predict the election. On one hand it should be an easy win for the Republican challengers because of the inflation, gas prices, Biden's approval and whatnot.Nobody cares about Ukraine or memes.
Possibly losing another chunk of Ukraine after Obama already lost the Crimea and who knows what the state of the world will be by November.
But some of the Republican candidates like Dr. Oz seem both clueless and cringe.
They are hardly 'disciplined' conservatives like Ron DeSantis that the Republican electorate seems to like best right now and Oz's boomer-level meme game sucks too :doge
The state-wide polls have drifted away from the Republicans because actual candidates always do worse than Generic Republican/Democrat and the Republican primary electorate followed Trump's advice by picking a bunch of morons for their nominees even though Trump's track record for picking candidates is terrible.
Post by: Uncle on July 18, 2022, 01:04:55 PM
lots of people communicate in different ways, just because they don't engage with the world in the same ways you do doesn't make their way worse
in fact I would say children don't tend to have the capacity yet to create robust comparisons to other situations, generally they take everything at face value
and you're talking about "cogs in his head turning and sticking your finger in it," how is that not a form of illustrative fan fiction? "the way a child communicates?"
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 18, 2022, 01:23:07 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 18, 2022, 02:01:02 PM
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The point is you believe the general models are bad.Nope I believe polling can be accurate, I just don't believe that Nate Silver's skewing improves on the actual polls.
In general though models don't really have a great track record but that's because most of the time they aren't used correctly, are incomplete or have a bias build-in.
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Nate Silver admitted his models are just random predictions, when nothing like that happened.He admitted this a couple of times actually. The issue I have with Nate is that he tries to present his data nearly scientific, using specific words, graphs, design and overall making it look corporate slick.
The forecasts, simulations etc. it's all designed to make it look more credible than it actually is.
A quick google search shows that I'm not the only one questioning this type of journalism
https://www.salon.com/2018/11/12/the-needle-and-the-damage-done-another-election-night-fueled-by-garbage-data-journalism/ (https://www.salon.com/2018/11/12/the-needle-and-the-damage-done-another-election-night-fueled-by-garbage-data-journalism/)
and yes, bad nintex for using the word autisty :duh
In other news the 'find a jury that doesn't hate Steve Bannon' challenge
https://twitter.com/glennkirschner2/status/1549065732473880586 (https://twitter.com/glennkirschner2/status/1549065732473880586)
Post by: benjipwns on July 18, 2022, 03:32:14 PM
You're conflating multiple things to attack something you apparently refuse to understand if your claims are to be taken seriously.QuoteThe point is you believe the general models are bad.Nope I believe polling can be accurate, I just don't believe that Nate Silver's skewing improves on the actual polls.
In general though models don't really have a great track record but that's because most of the time they aren't used correctly, are incomplete or have a bias build-in.QuoteNate Silver admitted his models are just random predictions, when nothing like that happened.He admitted this a couple of times actually. The issue I have with Nate is that he tries to present his data nearly scientific, using specific words, graphs, design and overall making it look corporate slick.
The forecasts, simulations etc. it's all designed to make it look more credible than it actually is.
A quick google search shows that I'm not the only one questioning this type of journalism
https://www.salon.com/2018/11/12/the-needle-and-the-damage-done-another-election-night-fueled-by-garbage-data-journalism/ (https://www.salon.com/2018/11/12/the-needle-and-the-damage-done-another-election-night-fueled-by-garbage-data-journalism/)
That article is doing the same thing. It's complaining that a projection model can't react in real time to new unimpeachable information, a literally impossible standard. It's asking a projection model based on past data to somehow project "future" election result data minute by minute by including new election result data as it comes in even before those election counts are complete. No new polling information is coming in to update the model, all polling data has to be rejected by the model to insert new onetime experiment results and extrapolate this election data as somehow applying to independent races for which only past polling data is known. This literally cannot be done. It's objectively impossible.
The rest of it is complaining about presentation much of which doesn't even apply to 538 (which isn't just Nate Silver btw) even if it did stop people from interpreting things wrong. The rest of it is complaining that idiots are misinterpreting other people's work while citing that work and using that to attack the work being misinterpreted.
You continue to claim that 538's models don't have a great track record when they do and I'm not sure you can find a more accurate and transparent model. I'm not even sure what you could possibly be referring to when claiming this. Especially when you're pointing to "actual polls" yet whining about the models not being used correctly, "are incomplete or have a bias built in" when this is every "actual poll" you can possibly name. All 538's "skew" does is attempt to hold these standardized across cycles and polls based on past performance, the reason it (and the other various models) doesn't do better than RCP where RCP just aggregates the polls without any model applied isn't a fault of the models it's a fault of the fact that when you aggregate polls you're already becoming too accurate for too few tests so there's not much accuracy to add by improving the model beyond the aggregate. If the aggregate calls 18 of 20 races, then 538 (or any other election forecast) calling 19 of 20 isn't an actual improvement because it might have been due to the inherent margin of error.
Silver has never "admitted" his models are random predictions because that would be doing what you claim he does when he pretty clearly does not do that. Random predictions would actually have an atrocious track record and would be blatantly obvious.
The entire instance which started you off on this probably isn't going to be wrong. A Democrat winning Maryland's Governor's race should probably be 97% expected based on available information. If Franchot wins the nomination and then goes on to win as expected are you going to come back and say you were wrong, Nate was right and proclaim adherence to models from now on or are you going to act like this never happened since your personal model doesn't allow for results that go against it?
Post by: VomKriege on July 18, 2022, 05:40:34 PM
Amazing that the tweet is still up
Nate Silver's site: "Franchot is favored to win"
Franchot: "I'm favored to win"
Nate Silver: "How dare you, apologize for spreading disinfo"
The guy is saying he's favoured to win the primary but the poll is about his chances in the actual election if he is selected but apparently 538 is not making any calls on the primary.
It's confusing and Nattu Bronze is not really explaining it well.
Ah ok, makes more sense. Though if Silver is that worried about his prediction being misunderstood he should probably do something more than just add an asterisk.
It's one of those things where all the info to see the fallacy is there but it's really easy to be conned by the sleight of hand (it took me a minute).
Post by: Tasty on July 18, 2022, 06:07:41 PM
:shaq2 Nothing good ever lasts.
Post by: Propagandhim on July 19, 2022, 02:14:02 PM
Is she...pretending to be handcuffed here? :dead
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 19, 2022, 02:22:30 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 19, 2022, 02:35:10 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 19, 2022, 04:23:09 PM
Democrats getting arrested not good optics for the midterms
https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/1549207391182667777 (https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/1549207391182667777)
They're losing their shit on Twitter because donnie has managed to get out of his jam again
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on July 19, 2022, 09:40:28 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/BasedByAccident/status/1549517325317115907
Post by: benjipwns on July 19, 2022, 10:00:55 PM
Not all heroes wear capes.Accusations by a rival group being clearly outperformed by Major. :wag
twitter.com/BasedByAccident/status/1549517325317115907
Post by: BIONIC on July 19, 2022, 10:02:43 PM
Post by: Tasty on July 20, 2022, 02:23:01 AM
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Because he had no license and did not know how to drive, an uncle transported him to the gun store twice. His uncle said the first time he didn’t know he was going to pick up a rifle, since the store is also a popular restaurant in town and his nephew said he was hungry. But he returned with a narrow box and no food.
Texas is the stupidest place on the face of this goddamn planet, shit.
Post by: Tuckers Law on July 20, 2022, 02:50:11 AM
Texas is the stupidest place on the face of this goddamn planet, shit.
Lived here for 21 years now, 100% can confirm.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 20, 2022, 06:36:46 AM
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2022, 02:11:00 PM
Post by: Uncle on July 20, 2022, 02:23:46 PM
no sudden moves around cops, right?
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 20, 2022, 02:30:00 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2022, 05:13:54 PM
https://twitter.com/CAndersonMO/status/1549836390271262722 (https://twitter.com/CAndersonMO/status/1549836390271262722)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 20, 2022, 05:19:43 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2022, 05:46:03 PM
Just look at that backdrop for the speech, they literally put him in front of a landfill to tell another uncle Joe story despite hyping this as a big speech on climate action.
Someone planned it to look like this.
They put Trump in front of a pile of garbage 'art' once but overall the production values of the Trump administration were off the charts.
Obama would usually speak in inspiring places like parks, community centers or modern buildings. Bush landed on an aircraft carrier to declare mission accomplished.
For Biden apparently a landfill will do. :doge
Post by: Uncle on July 20, 2022, 06:40:37 PM
:idont
Post by: Occam on July 20, 2022, 09:52:06 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/07/20/trump-election-wisconsin-vos-overturn/
"“It’s very consistent. He makes his case, which I respect,” Vos said to WISN. “He would like us to do something different in Wisconsin. I explained that it’s not allowed under the constitution. He has a different opinion.”"
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 21, 2022, 09:25:44 AM
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A grand jury in Harris County, Texas, on Tuesday declined to indict a man who allegedly killed 9-year-old Arlene Alvarez while shooting at an armed robber in February
The killing happened February 14 at about 9:30 p.m. when Tony Earls and his wife drove to a drive-thru ATM to deposit some cash and a check, according to the district attorney’s office. A man then ran up and put a gun in the wife’s face and demanded their money, car keys and her wallet, the prosecutor’s office said.
The couple initially complied with the robber, handing over the check, cash and wallet, before the robber started to run away, the office said. Earls, who stepped out of the vehicle, said he heard gunshots and believed he was being shot at, so he shot at the robber, the office said.
Photo provided by the family of Arlene Alvarez, a 9-year-old girl who died on Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2022, after being mistakenly shot by a robbery victim in Houston.
However, he ended up striking a truck that happened to be driving by at the same time, killing 9-year-old Arlene Alvarez in the backseat, the district attorney’s office said.
Post by: james on July 21, 2022, 10:39:29 AM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1550126564867653634
Post by: Nintex on July 21, 2022, 11:33:45 AM
Joe chimes in
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1550153237021564943 (https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1550153237021564943)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH0P69nNRPQ
:dead
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2022, 05:23:54 PM
Joe has Long COVID. :ohyeah
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:biden
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Post by: Nintex on July 21, 2022, 05:36:59 PM
I remember folks were worried the Biden presidency would be boring after 4 years of the Trump rollercoaster.
https://twitter.com/litcapital/status/1550162907882741760 (https://twitter.com/litcapital/status/1550162907882741760)
:doge
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2022, 07:05:40 PM
:american
Post by: Potato on July 22, 2022, 12:10:17 AM
Joe has dementia. :nopeAt what point do they cancel each other out and we're left with Super Joe?
Joe has Long COVID. :ohyeahspoiler (click to show/hide):biden[close]
Post by: Nintex on July 22, 2022, 02:50:03 AM
:dead
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 22, 2022, 08:02:50 AM
Post by: VomKriege on July 22, 2022, 08:55:48 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 22, 2022, 10:02:43 AM
But, it kinda shows that Hawley apparently had a bigger heads up of what was about to go down before anyone else did. VP wasn't moved until after the door/windows breach, but hawley was already out of there?
:tinfoil
Post by: james on July 22, 2022, 10:28:53 AM
Fucking hero
(https://media.giphy.com/media/WpZogrwkVoyAW0WMPo/giphy.gif)
:bernie :bernie :bernie :bernie :bernie :bernie
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 22, 2022, 10:44:01 AM
Post by: VomKriege on July 22, 2022, 12:10:38 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 22, 2022, 03:37:05 PM
Not to mention that Trump has been proven right on the fact that he offered to beef up Capitol security and it was shot down.
And as Jimmy Dore noted, every journalist on Twitter already predicted that this shit could get out of hand as it had gone out of hand all summer. The media basically got the riot they were hyping for weeks.
What you have at the end of the day is a pissed off President that should've known better and law enforcement that didn't properly prepare for a riot and failed to protect the Capitol.
And the lack of security is even more telling if you consider that the fucking President of the United States had given a speech just down the road and the Vice President and Speaker of the House were also in town.
Basically the entire line of succession undefended.
The January 6th hearings have proven that a whole bunch of people acting on their own with different goals and motivations did stupid shit that day.
However Trump never intended a coup, he intended to buy time for his lawsuits and that could only happen if the Republicans blocked certification because time had ran out.
Trump wanted to fight the certification in the courts but his legal team fucked up and he didn't pay any of the good lawyers.
But if Republicans are a bunch of cowards, Mike Pence feared the secret service would murder him and Trump was checked out watching Fox News because he thought it was Antifa while his staff panicked as they were busy answering texts from Fox News...
who was supposed to organize the actual 'coup' part of this? :doge
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYRjcs_XoAcnB-5?format=jpg)
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/119/879/bc1.jpg)
Post by: james on July 22, 2022, 05:20:31 PM
https://twitter.com/Kevinliptakcnn/status/1550570035982237698
Post by: Nintex on July 22, 2022, 05:51:21 PM
The President(citation needed) of the United States emptied his plate
https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1550570101119803392 (https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1550570101119803392)
Meanwhile during all this ABSOLUTE CHAOS Donald Trump is holding another rally of madness.
https://twitter.com/CraigNews3LV/status/1550596653849014273 (https://twitter.com/CraigNews3LV/status/1550596653849014273)
Post by: Nintex on July 22, 2022, 07:29:45 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1550618389990752258 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1550618389990752258)
:yeshrug
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 22, 2022, 08:03:14 PM
Post by: BIONIC on July 22, 2022, 09:30:52 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 24, 2022, 07:44:49 AM
I assume this is all the Trump influence? Like they're just trying to find a new "meme king"Except for the fact that as long as the king is alive, they can't crown a new king.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1550992174312980482 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1550992174312980482)
And from what I've read he succesfully trash talked everything and everyone by going off script again.
It's weird though, very few 'right wing' accounts and outlets share the clips of speeches these days.
Most of the sources are liberals going: "Look at how horrible it is that Trump doesn't want your kids' teacher to be a woke transgender climate activist!"
"Can you believe this guy? He just called Nancy Pelosi a psycho and accused her of insider trading!"
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 24, 2022, 09:33:51 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 24, 2022, 09:46:58 AM
:lol
Post by: Propagandhim on July 24, 2022, 01:14:02 PM
:gladbron
Not politics, but I don't know where else to put this.
Quote from: https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-affair-sergey-brin-wife-divorce-11658674840?page=1
Elon Musk engaged in a brief affair last fall with the wife of Sergey Brin, prompting the Google co-founder to file for divorce earlier this year and ending the tech billionaires’ long friendship, according to people familiar with the matter.
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 24, 2022, 01:20:31 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 24, 2022, 01:23:43 PM
Not politics, but I don't know where else to put this.This is very much part of the extended GOP multiverse.
Post by: Propagandhim on July 24, 2022, 01:30:10 PM
:klob
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I've actively avoided figuring out what "The Snyder Cut" is.
[close]
Post by: BIONIC on July 24, 2022, 01:47:35 PM
We in the The Snyder Cut now
:klobspoiler (click to show/hide)I've actively avoiding figuring out what "The Snyder Cut" is.[close]
A circumcision technique pioneered by Zack Snyder :science
Post by: Propagandhim on July 24, 2022, 01:50:10 PM
Post by: BIONIC on July 24, 2022, 01:51:26 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 24, 2022, 02:01:06 PM
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1551257737576734723 (https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1551257737576734723)
:trumps
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2022, 04:46:31 PM
And while I think Trump can nuke any republican in a debate, there are some obvious weak spots where he will take losses to DeSantis. Trump started the covid shut down, Trump gave Fauci the spotlight, Trump started the vaccine process. All the shit right wingers are mad about are things Trump was involved in. DeSantis can take advantage of that.
Post by: VomKriege on July 24, 2022, 04:51:33 PM
Ultimately Trump or DeSantis I don't think it will fundamentally change the ugly trend or direction the electorate is headed towards.
Post by: Nintex on July 24, 2022, 06:43:49 PM
But I don't think DeSantis wants to be on the list of "losers and haters" that Trump destroys if it comes to an actual Republican primary.
Candidates that want to challenge Trump like Mike Pompeo, Liz Cheney and Mike Pence will just be target practice for the general election.
In 2028 it will be clear if the economy has actually recovered or if Trump has simply dug a deeper hole than Biden already had.
That's when DeSantis can easily beat Trump Jr. or whoever Trump puts forward to carry the torch.
If the Democrats win in '24 however DeSantis can blame Trump's loss on the "RINO's" like the Cheney's and Romney's and unite the Republican party under his banner while expelling the 'traitors'.
Ultimately Trump or DeSantis I don't think it will fundamentally change the ugly trend or direction the electorate is headed towards.Lots of conservatives are mad about the contraceptives bill that wasn't passed because 'it saves lives' and prevents the need for abortions.
I think in time the Republicans will lose as badly as the Democrats if they keep pushing fringe issues and they will have to course correct.
Post by: Nintex on July 25, 2022, 06:59:40 AM
https://twitter.com/meridithmcgraw/status/1551516247514292226 (https://twitter.com/meridithmcgraw/status/1551516247514292226)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 25, 2022, 09:19:58 AM
Post by: Occam on July 25, 2022, 12:23:15 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 25, 2022, 01:04:26 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYhwhxaWIAAz3jA?format=jpg)
Yes Trump is ready to move on and talk policy, that will totally happen 100%.
Post by: BIONIC on July 25, 2022, 01:27:32 PM
Will someone please get Ja on the phone?!!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 25, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Post by: james on July 25, 2022, 05:53:54 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 25, 2022, 06:04:03 PM
https://twitter.com/annmarie/status/1551659162316193792 (https://twitter.com/annmarie/status/1551659162316193792)
From the crack foreign policy team.
Pelosi plans to go to Taiwan in August
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2022, 11:21:19 PM
I'm glad somebody is willing to protect me from hate speech and disinformation rather than being concerned about trivial "rights" nobody needs. :american
Post by: Potato on July 26, 2022, 03:02:11 AM
So does that mean all search engines and social media?
:hesright :nothing
Post by: Nintex on July 26, 2022, 01:52:53 PM
ok
Post by: Occam on July 26, 2022, 02:09:06 PM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1550532898805383168
I'm glad somebody is willing to protect me from hate speech and disinformation rather than being concerned about trivial "rights" nobody needs. :american
If the Supreme Court says that's constitutional, then it is.
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 26, 2022, 03:19:59 PM
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1551984522685829120 (https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1551984522685829120)
ok
This is one of these things where I'm not entirely sure if the visually impaired people who this is meant to be for even really care. The color of her suit seems quite irrelevant compared to how the microphone quality is kind of shit.
Post by: Nintex on July 26, 2022, 03:33:15 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 26, 2022, 05:23:50 PM
Post by: BisMarckie on July 26, 2022, 05:38:25 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 26, 2022, 06:13:52 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 26, 2022, 06:59:44 PM
https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1552021094537764865 (https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1552021094537764865)
https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1552032873124745216 (https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1552032873124745216)
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2022, 10:03:33 PM
If the Supreme Court says that's constitutional, then it is.If they're going to read the First Amendment out of the Constitution then there's nothing we can do breh. :trumps
Post by: Nintex on July 27, 2022, 02:52:57 AM
Are the walls finally closing in?
Post by: BIONIC on July 27, 2022, 03:08:03 AM
Post by: Potato on July 27, 2022, 03:28:08 AM
Post by: Nintex on July 27, 2022, 07:38:29 AM
Democrats : Trump is a criminal
Republicans (doing standup) : yes
Post by: james on July 27, 2022, 10:36:35 AM
This is one of these things where I'm not entirely sure if the visually impaired people who this is meant to be for even really care. The color of her suit seems quite irrelevant compared to how the microphone quality is kind of shit.
There is a huge range of visual impairment.
Someone can be legally blind and see light/color. The color of the clothing helps identify which blog is talking. The pronoun helps to avoid any confusion with women with deep voices or men with high voices
Post by: james on July 27, 2022, 11:35:42 AM
:salute
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 27, 2022, 11:43:25 AM
:thinking
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 27, 2022, 12:47:05 PM
The whitehouse is using abbot at home tests?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2022, 12:58:58 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 27, 2022, 01:19:47 PM
:biden
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 27, 2022, 01:35:27 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 27, 2022, 02:41:42 PM
https://twitter.com/whyvert/status/1552143934499033089https://twitter.com/crackconnoisser/status/1547575115897921537 (https://twitter.com/crackconnoisser/status/1547575115897921537)
Post by: benjipwns on July 27, 2022, 02:55:05 PM
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1552296813230710784Well, you're welcome Mr. President. Glad somebody finally thanks me for the things I do around here.
:salute
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 27, 2022, 03:19:19 PM
https://twitter.com/whyvert/status/1552143934499033089https://twitter.com/crackconnoisser/status/1547575115897921537 (https://twitter.com/crackconnoisser/status/1547575115897921537)
https://twitter.com/blue_14678/status/1547580191639105536
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 27, 2022, 06:38:29 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 27, 2022, 06:44:09 PM
Fucking cowards
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2022, 06:47:25 PM
Sinema on record from last year saying she doesn't support touching carried interest tax policy.
Post by: benjipwns on July 27, 2022, 07:05:06 PM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1552364912395141121Any talk about what draft picks might be involved? Would a third country need to be involved due to cap space issues?
Post by: Occam on July 28, 2022, 04:24:10 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/07/25/rupert-murdoch-donald-trump-splitsville-00047748
This is the result: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/27/us/politics/fox-news-trump-speech.html
Post by: Nintex on July 28, 2022, 06:12:48 AM
https://twitter.com/davelevinthal/status/1552440315335827458 (https://twitter.com/davelevinthal/status/1552440315335827458)
Post by: Propagandhim on July 28, 2022, 09:34:59 AM
LETS
FUCKING
G...nothing will happen.
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on July 28, 2022, 10:36:38 AM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1552364912395141121
Her lawyers are saying she didn't intend to break Russian law.
This is going to be as lopsided as Tom Seaver for Pat Zachary, Steve Henderson, Dan Norman, and Doug Flynn.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 28, 2022, 11:21:08 AM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1552364912395141121Any talk about what draft picks might be involved? Would a third country need to be involved due to cap space issues?
Surprised the Lakers haven't tried trading Russell Westbrook to Russia yet :tocry
Post by: Nintex on July 28, 2022, 12:19:51 PM
You have to be a special kind of terrible to not be able to make a deal with the FSB.
Post by: Nintex on July 28, 2022, 12:22:18 PM
https://twitter.com/cvpayne/status/1552633489111105536 (https://twitter.com/cvpayne/status/1552633489111105536)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 28, 2022, 01:05:59 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 28, 2022, 01:56:41 PM
Basically everything that could spur growth or ensure a 'soft landing' has been kneecapped.
Post by: Tasty on July 28, 2022, 06:25:37 PM
A new party emerges
https://twitter.com/davelevinthal/status/1552440315335827458 (https://twitter.com/davelevinthal/status/1552440315335827458)
Stand for nothing, or...
Post by: Tasty on July 28, 2022, 07:50:23 PM
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2022, 12:00:35 PM
They've finally gotten him, the walls have completed closing.
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 29, 2022, 12:02:12 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 29, 2022, 12:02:32 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 29, 2022, 12:26:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/TGvoLYE.png)
Post by: Nintex on July 29, 2022, 12:28:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1553052781224804354/49RhAT-X?format=jpg)
On the towels, on the grass, on the walls, on the seats of the golf carts
(https://abload.de/img/tr17jch.png)
Trumpers protesting against Trump's golf tournament
(https://abload.de/img/trumpersegjnx.png)
When your side hustle collides with your main business :lol
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 29, 2022, 01:05:49 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 29, 2022, 01:42:04 PM
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 29, 2022, 06:49:23 PM
btw he's looking sensational rn
(https://i.imgur.com/TGvoLYE.png)
is this the real trump? looks like a lizardperson
Post by: BIONIC on July 29, 2022, 07:00:01 PM
btw he's looking sensational rn
(https://i.imgur.com/TGvoLYE.png)
is this the real trump? looks like a lizardperson
He doesn’t know that the real Trump is a lizard person :girlaff
Post by: Nintex on July 29, 2022, 07:01:53 PM
:wut Mr. President Latinx are voting Republican
:biden build the wall jack
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FY3FhVUX0AY34Xz?format=jpg)
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2022, 08:44:29 PM
It's official they killed the economyFACT CHECK:
https://twitter.com/cvpayne/status/1552633489111105536 (https://twitter.com/cvpayne/status/1552633489111105536)
https://twitter.com/PolitiFact/status/1553093891850747904
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 29, 2022, 09:27:08 PM
So ehh. While I get the inclination to dunk on the WH, especially this fumbling bumbling spokeswoman...eh.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 29, 2022, 09:31:10 PM
btw he's looking sensational rn
(https://i.imgur.com/TGvoLYE.png)
is this the real trump? looks like a lizardperson
They must have taken the photo while he was mid-shapeshift :icke
Post by: Nintex on July 30, 2022, 05:13:41 AM
https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1553035148781916160 (https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1553035148781916160)
She's doing a better job than the one they had before and the 'Deeze Nuts' guy but she's too coherent and needs to add more hand gestures and just keep rambling about billions and percentages so the reporters can't get their questions in.
She needs to learn from the master on how to downplay investor fear by speaking their language.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObXrsSoZWQ0
Although to be fair, she has a difficult challenge because Kudlow goes on Fox every day to argue against her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQv1fIh7q7w
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2022, 11:18:13 AM
Post by: Nintex on July 30, 2022, 02:47:21 PM
Post by: HaughtyFrank on July 30, 2022, 02:48:18 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 30, 2022, 02:49:52 PM
Post by: who is ted danson? on July 30, 2022, 03:14:04 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 30, 2022, 06:05:18 PM
Where's Kamala?Doing something important in her blue suit, so that something is done about this important situation, and people will recognize the importance of the situation as such, which is really important right now in order to deal with this situation.
Post by: Nintex on July 31, 2022, 05:28:06 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZBGxHdWQAAvsif?format=jpg)
The rest of the "golf tournament" went exactly as you might expect.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZBR7P2WQAAbjZj?format=jpg)
https://twitter.com/realDerekUtley/status/1553816337029414912 (https://twitter.com/realDerekUtley/status/1553816337029414912)
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1553852030610980866 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1553852030610980866)
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2022, 10:37:29 PM
This level of shit posting is unprecedentedI don't think poorly concealed seething really constitutes "shitposting" breh.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZBGxHdWQAAvsif?format=jpg)
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 01, 2022, 11:08:51 AM
Post by: Nintex on August 01, 2022, 01:13:36 PM
Haven't seen it mentioned here: Apparently Murdoch is done with Trump.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/07/25/rupert-murdoch-donald-trump-splitsville-00047748
This is the result: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/27/us/politics/fox-news-trump-speech.html
apparently Fox News is no longer supporting him.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZFyTQ9X0AUrsaA?format=jpg)
Looks like the vet thing might be pushed over the line today after that stunt from the Zodiac killer.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1554172220800483331 (https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1554172220800483331)
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 01, 2022, 05:04:04 PM
and that jon swetart is like "what the fuck is left?"
Post by: james on August 01, 2022, 05:13:47 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/g0ingmad/status/1554131763991027718
Post by: Nintex on August 01, 2022, 05:43:22 PM
how many dogs are left to wag
https://twitter.com/HerschelWalker/status/1554169664313360385 (https://twitter.com/HerschelWalker/status/1554169664313360385)
this is now a toss up :doge
I hate that I get my news from nintex.It's fucking weird - there's just so much 'stuff' it's crazy, like an out of control AI is running all this or something.
and that jon swetart is like "what the fuck is left?"
I wonder if Jon Stewart regrets the Daily Show sort of starting this trend of political news mixed with comedy.
What Tucker is doing is really not much different. :doge
Post by: james on August 01, 2022, 06:32:00 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 01, 2022, 06:43:04 PM
It's just another level 99 trolling attempt. :doge
absolute c h a o s :lol
https://twitter.com/Eric_Schmitt/status/1554238219079884808 (https://twitter.com/Eric_Schmitt/status/1554238219079884808)
https://twitter.com/EricGreitens/status/1554235285973655552 (https://twitter.com/EricGreitens/status/1554235285973655552)
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2022, 08:11:30 PM
Post by: james on August 01, 2022, 08:13:04 PM
Post by: BIONIC on August 01, 2022, 09:15:15 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 01, 2022, 09:43:02 PM
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2022, 12:00:27 AM
and that jon swetart is like "what the fuck is left?"https://twitter.com/robrousseau/status/1553794574132412418
https://twitter.com/Crimson_Tinted/status/1553803003710345218
https://twitter.com/RedAreMe/status/1553854797354254339
https://twitter.com/Drackala/status/1553940431989362689
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/karltortellini/status/1553799454834057216
[close]
Post by: Nintex on August 02, 2022, 10:55:30 AM
Quote
Former President Donald Trump called Republican Senate candidate Eric Schmitt Monday evening, after posting on social media that he would endorse in Missouri’s GOP primary, and told him to look out for an announcement.
“You’ll be happy,” Trump told Schmitt.
What the former president didn’t say, according to two people familiar with the conversation, is that the press release would simultaneously back Schmitt and his rival for the GOP nomination, Eric Greitens. Greitens received a similar call in which Trump congratulated him on the endorsement and made no mention that he also endorsed Schmitt, Missouri’s state attorney general.
Quote
But Trump went in on the details, asking if the two candidates’ first names were spelled identically — noting that it wouldn’t work if they weren’t. While Trump was intrigued, he also remarked that it might be too cute
Quote
Trump pointed out that Greitens might face Trudy Busch Valentine, a wealthy Democratic candidate, in the general election. Busch is heir to the Anheuser-Busch brewing fortune.
“She’s not the weak Bush family,” Trump said, referencing his long-running feud with members of the Bush political dynasty. “She’s the strong Busch family.”
:trumps
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2022, 05:12:12 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 02, 2022, 06:46:40 PM
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1554589274997227520 (https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1554589274997227520)
America First Jack :biden
Post by: Nintex on August 03, 2022, 07:30:01 AM
Super interested to see how the Arizona GOP governor primary plays out tonight. There's a super MAGA weirdo chick running who will def claim voter fraud if she loses tonight.It's close but Lake pulled ahead
https://twitter.com/ryanmatsumoto1/status/1554786080846581760 (https://twitter.com/ryanmatsumoto1/status/1554786080846581760)
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 03, 2022, 12:24:28 PM
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1554483744618299396
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 03, 2022, 02:20:18 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 03, 2022, 04:38:34 PM
She seems drunkLot of REEEE energy from that soy reporter.
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1554483744618299396
It's fucking weird, when there's widespread voter fraud you aren't going to vote and when you win you want to keep that outcome.
But for some surrealist reason the Trump candidates win, their voters vote and then claim it was all fraud. :doge
Maybe they're cheating and hacking all these elections themselves and as long as they scream fraud as loud as possible, no one will investigate :trumps
Post by: Potato on August 03, 2022, 06:46:29 PM
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 03, 2022, 08:27:07 PM
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2022, 09:51:13 PM
But for some surrealist reason the Trump candidates win, their voters vote and then claim it was all fraud. :dogeProbably because their hero won the 2016 election but still raged that the popular vote was stolen from him? And then spent an entire year telling everyone the 2020 election was going to be stolen from him? And has since never stopped telling everyone it was stolen from him? And he only supports candidates who endorse these crazy narratives in the first place?
Maybe they're cheating and hacking all these elections themselves and as long as they scream fraud as loud as possible, no one will investigate :trumps
Post by: Occam on August 04, 2022, 12:23:29 AM
https://twitter.com/GoAngelo/status/1554876349680173057
The guy is completely fucked. In case anyone needs a laugh, here are the details:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/03/us/politics/alex-jones-trial-sandy-hook.html
Quote
Mr. Bankston also produced clips from Mr. Jones’s Infowars broadcast in which he aired a copy of a photograph of the judge in Ms. Lewis’s and Mr. Heslin’s case, Maya Guerra Gamble, engulfed in flames.
“That’s justice burning,” a cowed Mr. Jones told Mr. Bankston.
In another broadcast, Infowars falsely linked the judge to pedophilia and human trafficking; in another, Mr. Jones questioned the intelligence of the jurors in the case, implying that his political enemies had handpicked “blue-collar” people who “don’t know what planet they’re on,” and were ill-equipped to decide what monetary damages he must pay Ms. Lewis and Mr. Heslin. In written questions submitted to Mr. Jones, jurors took immediate issue with that characterization.
Sounds like a winning strategy.
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on August 04, 2022, 02:03:52 PM
The "honest mistake" defense didn't work, sadly, so we'll do up some diplomacy. Russia will get its merchant of death, and the United States will get back its dumbest WNBA star.
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 04, 2022, 02:56:42 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/29/politics/griner-whelan-russia-murderer-request/index.html
Post by: Nintex on August 04, 2022, 05:55:04 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 04, 2022, 06:48:33 PM
Quote
"In our nation’s 246 year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump"Donnie has officially defeated Saddam, The King of England, The Confederacy, Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, the USSR and all the terrorists.
:dead
https://twitter.com/kasie/status/1555305573943590922 (https://twitter.com/kasie/status/1555305573943590922)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2022, 10:07:20 PM
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/TEnhm0WPI7ldI6k2se/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952fc84a07d926863c59e051fda4dcef7caf0244e8f&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
Don't have a good read on Arizona but Lake is also insane. Whether that state is cool with that or not...who knows.
Dems have to feel good about 2024 solely based on MI and PA likely re-electing democrat governors and AGs.
Post by: benjipwns on August 04, 2022, 10:20:30 PM
Nine years for Miss Dunksalot.
The "honest mistake" defense didn't work, sadly, so we'll do up some diplomacy. Russia will get its merchant of death, and the United States will get back its dumbest WNBA star.
In addition to the arms dealer Russia has also asked for a literal assassin to be freed. I don't think that will happenGriner and Whelen to US, Kyrie to Lakers, arms dealer and assassin to Brooklyn, KD and Westbrook to Russia.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/29/politics/griner-whelan-russia-murderer-request/index.html
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2022, 10:22:06 PM
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 05, 2022, 05:23:13 PM
https://theconversation.com/brittney-griners-sentence-is-in-line-with-russias-strict-drug-penalties-but-how-long-she-serves-will-be-decided-outside-the-courtroom-188271
9 years for what amounts to 1 gram of weed seems absolutely insane to me but it's not news that countries can have crazy drug laws.
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on August 05, 2022, 05:42:00 PM
Post by: benjipwns on August 05, 2022, 06:46:30 PM
You don’t even have to leave the US to find draconian weed laws, just go south of the Mississippi.:hmm
Post by: benjipwns on August 05, 2022, 10:45:13 PM
:american
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZDEm2LUcAAOV7d?format=jpg&name=900x900)
:american :american :american :american
Post by: Potato on August 06, 2022, 03:47:52 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 07, 2022, 06:52:31 AM
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1556073036842881024 (https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1556073036842881024)
Post by: Nintex on August 08, 2022, 02:42:00 PM
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1556606892260163587 (https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1556606892260163587)
Not all heroes wear capes
:yeshrug
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on August 08, 2022, 05:56:19 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1556500563839569920
Post by: Nintex on August 08, 2022, 06:45:44 PM
Dark Brandon is a good meme though, it makes both the Trumpists and progressives seethe and cope :biden
I also like that they haven't deleted the meme yet despite the complaining and reeing.
Posobiec and the others can try to claim that the left can't meme, but most of them can't meme either.
The breeder conservatives and their CPAC circus is more cringe than meme.
The only one who can pull off the comedy special political speech and A-class shit posting game consistently and come up with new material is Trump and his closest rival is Tucker.
Post by: Propagandhim on August 08, 2022, 06:59:42 PM
lol...
Post by: Nintex on August 08, 2022, 07:05:10 PM
And he was first to break the news before law enforcement could issue any statement (they still haven't).
The thing is, we don't know if its related to Alex Jones' phone records, Manaforts admission that he sold polling data to Russian friends, the missing documents, the book with new revelations, or the January 6th inquiry.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2022, 07:23:47 PM
He had quite a lengthy statement ready, so either they had this typed up because they expected it, or someone tipped him off.
And he was first to break the news before law enforcement could issue any statement (they still haven't).
The thing is, we don't know if its related to Alex Jones' phone records, Manaforts admission that he sold polling data to Russian friends, the missing documents, the book with new revelations, or the January 6th inquiry.
IE he's a criminal involved in all types of crimes so we'll have to wait and see which one they picked. Only one I really think he'd get in trouble for is the taking of classified documents from the WH. The other stuff? He'll skate like he always does.
Post by: Nintex on August 08, 2022, 07:34:09 PM
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1556783756312281090 (https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1556783756312281090)
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 08, 2022, 07:59:22 PM
Yep, it's apparently the documents.
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1556783756312281090 (https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1556783756312281090)
What was in these classified documents...
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2022, 08:05:08 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 08, 2022, 08:13:01 PM
In any case, Fox News is running full defense for Trump, which is somewhat surprising considering no one really knows any details at this point.
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1556785418431041536 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1556785418431041536)
Little Marco backs Trump
Quote
Using government power to persecute political opponents is something we have seen many times from 3rd world Marxist dictatorships
But never before in America
https://twitter.com/JudiciaryGOP/status/1556791214875328515 (https://twitter.com/JudiciaryGOP/status/1556791214875328515)
Republicans needed something to rally their voters for the midterms, so they will jump on this. Probably to prevent Trump from announcing his 2024 run ASAP.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2022, 08:23:52 PM
Capone taxes moment, fellas. If you get convicted of mishandling classified docs, you get barred from running for office. :doge
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 08, 2022, 08:30:13 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2022, 08:31:14 PM
Post by: james on August 08, 2022, 08:34:02 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 08, 2022, 08:48:50 PM
pee tape
You should trademark that.
Post by: Potato on August 08, 2022, 09:19:56 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1556776386450407429 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1556776386450407429)Don't know why he's upset. If he's done nothing wrong, then he has nothing to worry about...
lol...
:doge
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 08, 2022, 09:26:43 PM
:derp
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 08, 2022, 09:29:10 PM
Post by: Tasty on August 08, 2022, 09:35:09 PM
https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1556793230028587009
:derp
:rofl
Post by: benjipwns on August 08, 2022, 09:47:04 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1556776386450407429Well, for one thing, Watergate was an illegal break-in by a bunch of Cubans because everybody involved knew they were doing something illegal.
lol...
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2022, 09:59:06 PM
They also seemingly knew exactly where they wanted to go. Which makes me wonder...somebody had a wire?
Post by: BIONIC on August 08, 2022, 10:03:19 PM
Is nintex ok
:nintex
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 08, 2022, 11:35:03 PM
I'm gonna assume if you get Wray, multiple DOJ officials, a judge, and coward ass Garland to sign off on a warrant to take the most aggressive action against a former president in decades (if not ever), the evidence must be pretty clear cut.
They also seemingly knew exactly where they wanted to go. Which makes me wonder...somebody had a wire?
Probably trump.
trump is costello
Post by: james on August 09, 2022, 12:50:11 AM
Post by: chronovore on August 09, 2022, 01:10:55 AM
Related, a new PLATINUM MEDAL is now available to award in the Victim Olympics.
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2022, 03:26:39 AM
Did Trump have all the documents :info
Post by: BIONIC on August 09, 2022, 04:44:15 AM
https://www.motherjones.com/mojo-wire/2022/08/cpac-jan-6-prayers-marjorie-taylor-greene-art-video/
Related, a new PLATINUM MEDAL is now available to award in the Victim Olympics.
https://twitter.com/fakenerd2113/status/1556808008365002752
:nintex :popular
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 09, 2022, 04:49:05 AM
Post by: VomKriege on August 09, 2022, 08:09:58 AM
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 09, 2022, 09:06:21 AM
https://www.motherjones.com/mojo-wire/2022/08/cpac-jan-6-prayers-marjorie-taylor-greene-art-video/
Related, a new PLATINUM MEDAL is now available to award in the Victim Olympics.
https://twitter.com/fakenerd2113/status/1556808008365002752
:nintex :popular
(https://i.imgur.com/0Ywy8dG.png) :sicko
Post by: Transhuman on August 09, 2022, 09:23:27 AM
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 09, 2022, 10:48:44 AM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 09, 2022, 10:55:45 AM
Post by: VomKriege on August 09, 2022, 11:21:24 AM
I hope the FBI raids Nintex soon too.
I think CIA has the jurisdiction for that.
Post by: VomKriege on August 09, 2022, 11:25:00 AM
They also seemingly knew exactly where they wanted to go. Which makes me wonder...somebody had a wire?
Trump himself, to trigger the raid and seizure of the proof that will send Hilary, Soros and Fauci to Guantanamo.
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 09, 2022, 11:41:34 AM
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2022, 12:30:29 PM
https://twitter.com/RealMacReport/status/1557012398602690566 (https://twitter.com/RealMacReport/status/1557012398602690566)
CNN is going with 4D chess :titus
https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1556964195064860675 (https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1556964195064860675)
Meanwhile the Batman dropped one of the most epic political ads of all time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFOkCflmNwI
Post by: james on August 09, 2022, 12:54:36 PM
My theory is that Trump actually called up the FBI to do this raid (everyone knows the FBI is full of Trumps). This way he can campaign as a victim, fighting back against the deep state and the government as an outsider
Post by: Uncle on August 09, 2022, 12:58:15 PM
I bet there's a good chance that Trump bragged to someone about what kind of documents he still has and whoever heard it didn't think it was quite as funny
I feel like it was even public knowledge? maybe not documents, but there were news stories like "art discovered missing from white house, visible in recent photos at mar-a-lago"
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2022, 01:09:14 PM
https://twitter.com/andrewcuomo/status/1556990308424028163 (https://twitter.com/andrewcuomo/status/1556990308424028163)
https://twitter.com/Mike_Pence/status/1557031918050414592 (https://twitter.com/Mike_Pence/status/1557031918050414592)
(https://i.imgflip.com/6pewr6.jpg)
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 09, 2022, 02:56:25 PM
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2022, 09:21:14 PM
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1556818400227119104I agree, Florida should definitely do this.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2022, 09:52:48 PM
He's probably fucked.
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2022, 10:10:09 PM
I can't imagine he actually took anything vitally important, why would he care? Wait, maybe he did this not for himself but files on like Obama and Hillary. :lol
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 09, 2022, 10:20:40 PM
I can't imagine he actually took anything vitally important, why would he care? Wait, maybe he did this not for himself but files on like Obama and Hillary. :lol
Don't tell me he grabbed Obama's birth certificate :lol
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2022, 10:21:04 PM
I wonder if he used the President's authority to request documents on himself and then stole them thinking they were the only copies. :trumps
I can't imagine he actually took anything vitally important, why would he care? Wait, maybe he did this not for himself but files on like Obama and Hillary. :lol
Or maybe he was, you know, selling state secrets to Saudi Arabia.
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2022, 11:08:09 PM
Post by: Uncle on August 09, 2022, 11:32:15 PM
I wonder if he used the President's authority to request documents on himself and then stole them thinking they were the only copies. :trumps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWyh1W3GJEc
Post by: Potato on August 10, 2022, 12:05:44 AM
Feds aren't saying shit, Trump radio silent today. WaPo saying the boxes contained documents so sensitive they can't even be generally described during a congressional hearing. You'd get bopped in the head faster than you could say "Cambodia?" in Vietnam circa 1969.Don't get me hard without even offering to finish me off please!
He's probably fucked.
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2022, 12:25:40 AM
Post by: james on August 10, 2022, 01:02:43 AM
Trump found Clinton's "deleted" emails and took them back to his place because h knew the DEEP STATE would bleach them if they were found in D.
Thats why no one can say what the documents are. The FBI would have to reveal that Clintons emails have been recaptured and could be published, resulting in her going to jail.
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 10, 2022, 07:30:25 AM
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 10, 2022, 07:48:16 AM
:gladbron
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 10, 2022, 11:56:51 AM
During yesterday's vote-a-rama I overheard @ewarren telling @SenFeinstein: “Puppies have a nap, now it’s time for you to have one”
https://twitter.com/Nicky_Pelosi/status/1557197523810394113
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZxG5QWXkAEmuDb)
:whatisthis
Post by: james on August 10, 2022, 12:23:25 PM
Post by: BIONIC on August 10, 2022, 12:29:53 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2022, 12:34:38 PM
:trumps
Post by: james on August 10, 2022, 01:44:49 PM
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 10, 2022, 02:02:28 PM
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1557196801303662592
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2022, 02:43:55 PM
Build the wall out, defund the FBI in. Lets gooooooooDonald J. Kennedy
https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1556989150687072256 (https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1556989150687072256)
The centrists party surrenders to Trump. Grab that bag Andrew 8)
https://twitter.com/sarahcwestwood/status/1557006496424132613 (https://twitter.com/sarahcwestwood/status/1557006496424132613)
Details on the raid, the FBI managed to secure highly classified dinner menu's and cocktail napkins.
Post by: james on August 10, 2022, 03:46:17 PM
There is extensive legal precedent around cocktail napkins
Quote
An Alaska jury has ordered the buyer of a news website to make good on a payment promise she had scrawled on a cocktail napkin.
The Anchorage Daily News reports that jurors on Thursday ordered Alice Rogoff to pay more than $850,000 to Tony Hopfinger.
Rogoff purchased a majority stake in the Alaska Dispatch website from Hopfinger in 2009. Her company bought the Anchorage Daily News in 2014 and merged the businesses.
Hopfinger sued Rogoff, claiming she failed to pay him $100,000 annually for 10 years as promised in a note on the cocktail napkin.
Rogoff’s attorney argued that terms were stated to commit Hopfinger to work for a decade and that he deserved nothing when he left.
(https://d1d6up2i2gvl5q.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/FullSizeRender-6-600x450.jpg)
https://apnews.com/article/dbff1b8e08e54262b44a04cf28ab0147
Post by: Nintex on August 10, 2022, 04:14:04 PM
Can you imagine working so many hours, this is an absolute outrage.
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2022, 04:48:23 PM
Build the wall out, defund the FBI in. Lets gooooooooBuild the wall around the FBI. :rollsafe
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 10, 2022, 05:49:11 PM
Post by: BIONIC on August 10, 2022, 06:23:37 PM
Do you guys think trump did something wrong?
Putting ketchup on well-done steak :jeanluc
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2022, 06:53:37 PM
Do you guys think trump did something wrong?Like recently or... ?
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 10, 2022, 08:04:11 PM
Do you guys think trump did something wrong?
Who amongst hasn't taken classified documents from time to time?
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2022, 09:00:15 PM
Post by: james on August 10, 2022, 09:11:46 PM
Q was right
The wheels of justice are turning. The criminals are finally being round up
The storm is here
Post by: BIONIC on August 10, 2022, 09:43:44 PM
Bork plz
Post by: james on August 11, 2022, 12:02:54 AM
:LadyNintex
Bork plz
she has a fucking dutch accent
:dead :dead :dead
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 11, 2022, 12:35:34 PM
Interstate 71 in Ohio was shut down Thursday morning in both directions and there was a lockdown in effect after shots were fired in the area.
At approximately 9 AM this morning an armed subject attempted to breach the Visitor Screening Facility at #FBI Cincinnati," according to FBI Cincinnati. "After an alarm and a response by FBI special agents, the subject fled north onto Interstate 71.
The FBI added that the Ohio State Highway Patrol, and law enforcement partners, are at a scene near Wilmington, OH "trying to resolve this critical incident."
WKRC tweeted a video of authorities arriving at FBI headquarters in Cincinnati.
The Clinton County Emergency Management Agency said there was an armed suspect in the area of State Road 73, Smith Road and State Road 380.
The lockdown covered within a one-mile radius of Smith Road and Center Road.
Multiple news outlets are reporting a suspect fled the scene and drove toward Waynesville, Ohio. Some witnesses reported the person was seen firing at authorities from a corn field. The Federal Bureau of Investigation's building appears to no longer be under a threat.
The Warren County Emergency Management Agency tweeted the roads in that area are closed due to an "active law enforcement incident." WKEF reported Ohio Department of Transportation cameras showed empty roads around the exit, including those along I-71.
WKRC and WKEF have crews on the way.
This apparent threat comes after some people have been using violent rhetoric in the wake of the agency's search of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home. It's not clear if the incident in Ohio is tied to the Florida search but FBI Director Christopher Wray called threats circulating online against federal agents and the Justice Department “deplorable and dangerous.”
Wray was appointed as the agency’s director in 2017 by Trump.
“I’m always concerned about threats to law enforcement,” Wray said. “Violence against law enforcement is not the answer, no matter who you’re upset with.”
https://twitter.com/FBICincinnati/status/1557766382200057856
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2022, 12:49:48 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 11, 2022, 01:28:07 PM
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1557499243534876674 (https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1557499243534876674)
https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1557713484565159936 (https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1557713484565159936)
Post by: Nintex on August 11, 2022, 02:01:24 PM
Haven't seen it mentioned here: Apparently Murdoch is done with Trump.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/07/25/rupert-murdoch-donald-trump-splitsville-00047748
This is the result: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/27/us/politics/fox-news-trump-speech.html
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1557748404540817411 (https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1557748404540817411)
:idont
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 11, 2022, 02:47:45 PM
Post by: james on August 11, 2022, 02:58:20 PM
https://twitter.com/nbc6/status/1557795432566333446
50/50 chance between
"Ladies and Gentlemen, we got him"
and
"I most profoundly apologize for the illegal raid undertaken by a rogue office in Florida, I totally clear the president"
Post by: james on August 11, 2022, 03:06:05 PM
wtf does he look so old we need hot attorneys like ally mcbeal
Edit: its fucking nothing
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 11, 2022, 03:20:31 PM
Post by: james on August 11, 2022, 03:27:44 PM
"please understand" (deep bow)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2022, 03:39:56 PM
Trump could have revealed it at any point but didn't.
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 11, 2022, 03:54:40 PM
HES ON
wtf does he look so old we need hot attorneys like ally mcbeal
Edit: its fucking nothing
They (DOJ) are going to make public the warrant and a redacted item list of what was seized. It's not nothing. Weird that Trump team didn't want to release it but I suppose that might make it more difficult to milk his supporters for more money.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 11, 2022, 04:05:12 PM
Post by: james on August 11, 2022, 04:10:59 PM
:rejoice :rejoice :rejoice
https://twitter.com/yfreemark/status/1557817739766530048
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 11, 2022, 04:24:24 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 11, 2022, 04:57:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ53oPyUYAAVJ2g?format=jpg)
this guy :lol
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 11, 2022, 05:29:27 PM
Edit: oh he's referring to the very shady action of transferring his records to.... the national archive which apparently is standard procedure...
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/01/politics/obama-white-house-records
Post by: benjipwns on August 11, 2022, 06:04:13 PM
:teehee
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2022, 06:47:27 PM
:point
anyone defending this dude takes the L
Post by: Nintex on August 11, 2022, 07:12:11 PM
:trumps
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 11, 2022, 08:09:52 PM
(http://www.thebore.com/forum/Smileys/default/trumps.png)
Post by: james on August 11, 2022, 08:55:59 PM
Post by: james on August 11, 2022, 08:59:46 PM
:pika
Abuela was in on it
Post by: Boredfrom on August 11, 2022, 09:13:40 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 11, 2022, 09:38:45 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2022, 09:49:31 PM
I can certainly buy this less sinister, more incompetence argument. It's January 2017, you're rushing to leave DC, grabbing documents...maybe you get some classified shit mixed in there. However it is very hard for me to believe that classified nuclear weapon documents are just lounging on the desk in the weeks before inauguration, to the point they're accidently dumped in a box alongside personal paperwork. That sounds like a major stretch to me.
Post by: benjipwns on August 11, 2022, 09:59:47 PM
Post by: james on August 11, 2022, 10:04:12 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 11, 2022, 10:22:00 PM
It seems more likely to me that they were trying to take a bunch of paperwork they shouldn't have been taking and accidentally got some overclassified nuclear secrets in those.
And then accidentally made a profit by bartering deals with the Saudis using said accidentally procured documents.
:brain
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 11, 2022, 10:39:30 PM
This is bad.
Post by: james on August 11, 2022, 10:46:31 PM
Those spaceships ran on clean fission tech and big oil will do anything they can to keep it away from the public
Post by: benjipwns on August 11, 2022, 11:05:58 PM
I told you fucks it was the Area 51 filesIt was the military's research on trying to stop a mass of people Naruto running, even nuclear weapons couldn't do it.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 11, 2022, 11:44:34 PM
Post by: Bebpo on August 11, 2022, 11:44:43 PM
but that nutjob that got himself killed attacking the FBI while tweeting something like "Whoops, guess nails don't go through bulletproof glass" is too fucking hilarious.
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2022, 01:57:46 AM
:lol
Hard to believe the MSM would pull out the Saddam playbook on Donald Trump but here we are
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 12, 2022, 02:31:51 AM
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2022, 02:41:07 AM
FBI: *leaks classified information about the most politically sensitive raid in history to the Washington Post*
And these documents were supposed to be stored by the national archives? None of this makes sense.
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 12, 2022, 07:42:13 AM
Garland: "The integrity of the FBI is unquestionable"
FBI: *leaks classified information about the most politically sensitive raid in history to the Washington Post*
And these documents were supposed to be stored by the national archives? None of this makes sense.
The FBI most likely did not leak this. They've been operating entirely outside of the public view until Trump said he got raided.
No one in the public knows where or what the documents even are fully yet. We have reporting out of Wapo that the nature of at least some are tied to nuclear. Again, what and to what extent is all just speculation at this moment.
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 12, 2022, 07:43:52 AM
I told you fucks it was the Area 51 filesDocument 1: <<TOP SECRET>> Project Ligma
Those spaceships ran on clean fission tech and big oil will do anything they can to keep it away from the public
Document 2: <<TOP SECRET>> Project Deez
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 12, 2022, 07:48:52 AM
Not my lemonade stand surely.
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 12, 2022, 08:48:01 AM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 12, 2022, 11:49:19 AM
WASHINGTON — The House Jan. 6 committee is set to interview former national security adviser Robert O'Brien on Friday as it expands its inquiry into former President Donald Trump's role in the insurrection, a source familiar with the panel's work confirmed.
Former Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, who resigned the day after the Capitol riot, has already spoken with the committee, the source said. Chao was interviewed Aug. 3. A representative for Chao declined to comment.
The committee is trying to learn more about what top Trump administration officials knew about the former president's intentions on Jan. 6, 2021, and whether Cabinet members discussed removing him from office — by invoking the 25th Amendment to the Constitution — in the wake of the riot, the source said.
In a series of high-profile public hearings, the committee has shown that Trump and his allies tried to overturn the results of the 2020 election in a number of ways. They included pressuring state elections officials to reverse results, creating slates of "fake electors" to replace certified electors and urging Justice Department officials to falsely declare the election fraudulent.
After all else failed, Trump tried to get then-Vice President Mike Pence to agree to interfere with the constitutional count of the electoral votes that made Joe Biden president.
At a rally held near the White House on Jan. 6, Trump told his supporters to march to the Capitol, where a mob broke into the building and suspended the process of counting electoral votes. Some in the crowd chanted, "Hang Mike Pence!"
The insurrection forced members of Congress to delay the count of electoral votes. Chao's husband, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., is one of the members who were forced to seek safe hiding places amid the rioting.
The committee has said it will hold more public hearings after Congress' August recess.
CNN first reported that Chao had met with the panel and that the panel was seeking interviews with O'Brien, as well as former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.
The committee declined to comment.
Post by: Propagandhim on August 12, 2022, 11:59:25 AM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1558109869152018433
This guy can't catch a break, eh?
Post by: james on August 12, 2022, 12:30:16 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 12, 2022, 12:47:33 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 12, 2022, 01:21:40 PM
In pursuing the unprecedented search of Donald Trump's residence on Monday, the FBI was seeking to retrieve Top Secret and "compartmented" documents dealing with intelligence "sources and methods," two federal government sources tell Newsweek—documents with the potential to reveal U.S. intelligence sources, including human sources on the American government payroll.
This greatly complicates any public discussion of the documents or any substantiation of Trump's potential violation of U.S. law. The sources, who were briefed on the investigation, requested anonymity in order to discuss sensitive information.
"Compartmented" is a specific term meaning "classified information concerning or derived from intelligence sources, methods, or analytical processes, which is required to be handled within formal access control systems established by the Director of National Intelligence." It includes a variety of different access categories—for example, human, intercept, satellite sources—each of which limits how many people can know the nature of the compartment. One of the government sources says that "special access program" information was involved in the Mar-a-Lago case, a further category of information limited to an even smaller group of people.
Intelligence sources familiar with the classification system and the investigation say that neither the search warrant nor the inventory, if unsealed, will likely answer most people's questions about whether the search was necessary.
"In order to prove that this was a matter of national security and essential to be done in this way, some detail on what Trump was keeping will have to be revealed," one intelligence officer, granted anonymity to speak about an ongoing investigation, tells Newsweek. "That might be difficult for the government precisely because of the sensitivity of the documents."
Under normal circumstances, investigators write a detailed list of all the materials taken from a person or property that is searched, filing a copy of that inventory with the court that approved the search warrant. But in the case of classified documents, the inventory list might be intentionally vague: for example, "ten documents, numbered 1 through 10, consisting of 65 pages, stamped Top Secret and above." Since the assumption is that the search warrant might become public, neither the inventory nor the search warrant would include any classified information.
The former president does not have authority to declassify such documents, intelligence sources say, because they are classified under statute rather than by executive order. Trump's possession of those documents and the fact that he was secreting them away came to light in the course of a multi-month federal government investigation that focused on the status of presidential records taken from the White House.
On Monday morning, FBI agents and technicians arrived at Donald Trump's Florida residence and presented the former president's attorneys a search warrant to retrieve highly classified documents at Mar-a-Lago. According to Trump spokespeople, the FBI investigators were focused on three rooms at the residence. Trump said that the FBI had broken into at least one safe of his, presumably in the Trump office or bedroom where it was found.
The information as to the whereabouts of the documents, Newsweek previously reported, came from a confidential human source, presumably someone inside the Trump camp. While not acknowledging any details of the investigation, on Thursday, Attorney General Merrick Garland stated that the Justice Department was asking that the search warrant and the inventory of property taken from Mar-a-Lago be released by the court. That request has to be agreed to—officially, not just in public statements—by Donald Trump.
Given the political firestorm that the search at Mar-a-Lago provoked, questions about the documents are of critical importance. If they were merely "routine," as Trump insists, then the search will be seen as politically motivated. The fury might be quelled if the documents are indeed revealed to be highly classified and sensitive, and the Justice Department can prove that the former president was holding onto them with no intention of giving them back. The public might conclude that the search was valid and necessary.
The road to the search at Mar-a-Lago began 18 months ago in the transition from the Trump to the Biden administration. In inventorying presidential records, the National Archives and Records Administration concluded that there were additional documents that were in Donald Trump's possession that were "presidential records" and not personal papers and thus needed to be returned to the Archives.
Months of negotiations followed, and in January 2022, 15 boxes of such boxes were turned over to the Archives. That collection led to further suspicions that the Trump camp still possessed more. Federal investigators began interviewing Trump White House and Mar-a-Lago staffers to determine what was moved. Those interviews, and a broader investigation overseen by a U.S. Attorney resulted in a grand jury subpoena served on Trump in late May to produce specific documents.
According to John Soloman, a journalist with Just the News who has also served as one of Donald Trump's liaisons to the National Archives, the subpoena requested any remaining documents Trump possessed with any classification markings, even if they involved photos of foreign leaders, correspondence or mementos from his presidency.
On June 3, three FBI special agents and a senior Justice Department official visited Mar-a-Lago to discuss any additional documents in response to the subpoena. The visiting officials were shown the basement storage room where White House records were stored, and in fulfillment of the subpoena, left with "a small number of documents," according to Soloman. The documents were classified as Top Secret and were compartmented, according to people familiar with the investigation. Trump and his spokespeople say the visit was cordial and that the Trump camp fully cooperated.
After the June visit, according to the Trump camp, communications with the investigators ceased until agents showed up on Monday to execute the search warrant. According to people familiar with the search, the decision to escalate the matter to a surprise search came because investigators concluded that additional documents were at Mar-a-Lago—documents so sensitive, they had to be retrieved in order to protect national security.
The search warrant was approved by the Florida magistrate on Friday, August 5, and three days later, the FBI showed up at Mar-a-Lago to execute the search. Some 12 additional boxes of records were hauled away. The FBI inventoried what was taken and left behind a two-page inventory with Trump's lawyers.
In the aftermath of the search, the Trump camp insists that President Trump had the right to declassify information, and thus none of the records were classified. Kash Patel, a Trump loyalist who served in intelligence and defense positions in the administration (and who also identifies himself as one of Donald Trump's representatives to the National Archives), told the Just The News podcast that Trump was the "ultimate arbiter" of the classification of a document and thus there could be no wrongdoing.
That characterization is incorrect, experts say, because documents that are covered by statute, and not classified under presidential executive order, cannot be classified or declassified by the president. That includes nuclear secrets (under the Atomic Energy Act) and documents that might identify CIA case officers or agents (under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982). The Washington Post has reported that the documents sought at Mar-a-Lago related to nuclear weapons.
That law labels as a CIA sources "an individual, other than a United States citizen, whose past or present intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information and who is a present or former agent of, or a present or former informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency."
Bill Leonard, who as head of the Information Security Oversight Office for six years in the Bush administration and oversaw this system, makes a clear distinction between information that is classified pursuant to the President's Article Two constitutional authority as commander-in-chief and those that are classified by statute, such as nuclear secrets and intelligence sources and methods regarding human agents. "That sort of information and other sensitive intelligence sources and methods are protected pursuant to law, not necessarily protected pursuant to the president's unilateral classification authority," Leonard told Grid this week. "So even an incumbent president does not have total, unfettered authority to declare information unclassified at will. Certainly, a former president has no authority to declassify any sort of information."
:ufup
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 12, 2022, 01:25:31 PM
FBI agents who searched former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home Monday removed 11 sets of classified documents, including some marked as top secret and meant to be only available in special government facilities, according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation agents took around 20 boxes of items, binders of photos, a handwritten note and the executive grant of clemency for Mr. Trump’s ally Roger Stone, a list of items removed from the property shows. Also included in the list was information about the “President of France,” according to the three-page list. The list is contained in a seven-page document that also includes the warrant to search the premises which was granted by a federal magistrate judge in Florida.
The list includes references to one set of documents marked as “Various classified/TS/SCI documents,” an abbreviation that refers to top-secret/sensitive compartmented information. It also says agents collected four sets of top secret documents, three sets of secret documents, and three sets of confidential documents. The list didn’t provide any more details about the substance of the documents.
Mr. Trump’s lawyers argue that the president used his authority to declassify the material before he left office. While a president has the power to declassify documents, there are federal regulations that lay out a process for doing so.
The search and seizure warrant, signed by U.S. Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart, shows that FBI agents sought to search “the 45 Office,” as well as “all storage rooms and all other rooms or areas within the premises used or available to be used by [the former president] and his staff and in which boxes or documents could be stored, including all structures or buildings on the estate.”
They didn’t seek access to search private guest rooms, such as those of Mar-a-Lago members, according to the document.
The former president and his team don’t have the affidavit, which would provide more detail about the FBI’s investigation, according to people familiar with the process. His lawyers have asked for a more specific account of what was removed from Mar-a-Lago.
Mr. Trump, in a post on his social-media platform Thursday, said his representatives had been “cooperating fully” and added, “The government could have had whatever they wanted, if we had it.”
(More to Come)
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2022, 01:54:52 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 12, 2022, 01:56:45 PM
So who is giving the press all these detailed acounts of so called classified documents if the FBI's integrity is without question :idont
:brain
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2022, 02:15:27 PM
The bartenders in D.C. and the Special Agents who frequent their bars, as well as about half the reporters and DNC interns who maintain the social media channels.
I remember when Trump's Mar-A-Lago estate was picked by the intelligence services themselves as the Presidents' outside retreat because it was easier to secure and remote and wouldn't mess up NYC traffic as much as setting up base in Trump Tower would.
Post by: james on August 12, 2022, 02:31:26 PM
:drudge :drudge :drudge
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 12, 2022, 02:33:25 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 12, 2022, 02:36:10 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2022, 02:36:44 PM
The uuuhhh .... tuckers chad editors are too much for Kilmeade
BREITBART HAS THE WARRANTCongrats to the Breitbart fuckboi that managed to land a wapo reporter this fast.
:drudge :drudge :drudge
Quote
The first statute is the one that has likely provoked media speculation about so-called “nuclear” documents: it applies to a broad range of defense “information,” from code books to ordinary photographs.Guess the walls aren't closing in then?
Post by: Sman on August 12, 2022, 02:40:27 PM
"witchhunt!"
"FBI planted evidence"
"didn't know they were there. Honest mistake"
"I declassified the documents anyway!"
"Obama took classified documents too"
Logically, the next set of excuses should sound something like this:
"I asked beforehand and they told me I could take them. Deep State set me up."
"It was Melania/Pence/unknown aide, not me."
"it was part of my special peace plan between Russia and Ukraine. Now the FBI blew it."
"The sale of the classified docs would have gone to the Trump foundation. All for charity."
"It won't matter if I run and win in 2024"
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2022, 02:45:46 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 12, 2022, 02:58:26 PM
Post by: james on August 12, 2022, 03:03:03 PM
Trump *releases warrant*
Garland: :pika
Post by: Propagandhim on August 12, 2022, 03:06:01 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-mar-lago-search-warrant-property-receipt-show-agents-found-trove-rcna42793
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 12, 2022, 03:11:07 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2022, 03:18:09 PM
:thinking
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2022, 03:21:50 PM
Garland: Trump can release the warrant whenever he wants
Trump *releases warrant*
Garland: :pika
Garland and the FBI are not working weekends, Donald J. Trump is.
By monday he will have set the stage and Biden will have to give a press conference to explain to the world that the United States was certainly not trying to groom the French president with the former President's pool boy and Roger Stone and Paul Manafort, in fact, did never work for the CIA.
Trump leaking the warrant is classic Trump :lawd
Government agencies working overtime all weekend
https://twitter.com/JaxAlemany/status/1558151577751490561 (https://twitter.com/JaxAlemany/status/1558151577751490561)
Post by: james on August 12, 2022, 04:05:50 PM
Post by: Boredfrom on August 12, 2022, 04:11:56 PM
Garland: Trump can release the warrant whenever he wants
Trump *releases warrant*
Garland: :pika
Trump: :morans
Garland: :pika :girlaff :mueller
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 12, 2022, 04:12:54 PM
foxnews...
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 12, 2022, 04:14:13 PM
If that is true, isn't this a slam dunk of a case?
Post by: james on August 12, 2022, 04:15:50 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 12, 2022, 04:25:22 PM
LOCK HIM UP
Do you think his cellmates will turn him into a trick?
Post by: Uncle on August 12, 2022, 04:30:51 PM
If that is true, isn't this a slam dunk of a case?
the devil's always in the details, it says "willfully," so can trump just say "whoops I simply forgot, I didn't willfully say no you can't have it, I said I already gave you everything to my knowledge, tee hee" :teehee
it also says "on demand," can they prove they asked him in advance for specific documents? or were they not sure what he might have?
not a defense just pragmatic about the law
I still think he's fucked even if this specific law doesn't stick
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2022, 04:31:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ-ZOiTWAAAjZSj?format=jpg)
After Dark Brandon we now have Nuclear MAGA
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 12, 2022, 05:02:07 PM
Post by: james on August 12, 2022, 05:04:58 PM
It's really amazing how many scandals Trump has been involved in. He even keeps going after he stopped being president
FACT CHECK: Trump never stopped being president, according to my sources at Q
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 12, 2022, 06:12:32 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on August 12, 2022, 06:12:59 PM
It's really amazing how many scandals Trump has been involved in. He even keeps going after he stopped being president
He's gotten away with everything. Nothing ever happens to him. His worst sheister moments occurred before he took a step in the White House, like when he personally pocketed $45m+ in salary from failing casino ventures, offloaded personal debts onto the corporate balance sheets and had his public company purchase personal services like plane flights from his private enterprises. He ransacked the coffers of his worthless casinos quite effectively as the shareholders ate shit. When he finally declared bankruptcy, he was still saddled with personal debt, and the bankruptcy conditions stated that in order to carry forward the tax value of his billion-dollar loss after receiving relief from some of his debts through bankruptcy, he'd have to agree to give up certain valuable real estate tax breaks that are central to CRE deals. So, to maximize the value of his holdings Trump needed to find a way to sell casinos to people who didn't know anything about the nuances of real estate tax law. A bunch of mom and pop stock investors of the mid-’90s were the perfect suckers, and they bought into the Trump Casino & Hotel Resorts IPO for 140 million. The company’s only asset at the time was the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino, and the IPO money was supposed to be reinvested in the company. But Trump Plaza was already indebted, so one of the first things he did with the new equity was to pay down the debts, debts that Trump had personally guaranteed, meaning that company money was used to relieve not just a company debt but a personal debt owed by Trump himself. For some reason, fate has conspired to let the man skate by with no consequences to any of his actions. I guaran-fucking-tee you nothing will come out of this, either.
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 12, 2022, 06:31:09 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1557926941646282752
foxnews...
Think about how many boomers are sharing this on facebook right now
Probably has hundreds of millions of views, shares, and likes
And they all think its real
spoiler (click to show/hide)
kill all the boomers
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Post by: Propagandhim on August 12, 2022, 06:38:27 PM
https://twitter.com/kilmeade/status/1558177615663464448
Oh he's going with the "I was only acting distinguished mentally-challenged" / "It's just a prank bro" defense.
Post by: Propagandhim on August 12, 2022, 07:22:54 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 12, 2022, 07:44:32 PM
Post by: Potato on August 12, 2022, 09:45:02 PM
It's really amazing how many scandals Trump has been involved in. He even keeps going after he stopped being presidentWhat's more amazing is how many fucking stupid yanks will still vote for him.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2022, 10:40:51 PM
https://twitter.com/warkin/status/1558170430086606848
If that is true, isn't this a slam dunk of a case?
Certainly seems like it, and the question is whether the DOJ charges him or not right? These are serious charges, including obstruction and espionage. Multiple attempts to collect the documents. Multiple breaches of handling the documents. Stored in an unsecured area where foreign agents have known to be, and anyone can access anything with the right amount of money.
We'll know soon enough. If he gets charged it's game over for Trump. He's not beating this in a DC fed court.
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 12, 2022, 11:28:37 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2022, 12:20:19 AM
Nonsensical...they really think Trump is still president. Furthermore, top secret information cannot just be unilaterally declassified by a president. There's a process for clearing shit. A president can't, for instance, declassify US nuclear sub routes and then reveal them to random people.
It seems to me he either stole documents he thought might implicate him, in order to prevent Biden from doing something...or he took classified material in order to show the highest bidders at MAL on some "look at how powerful I was" shit...or he was trying to find ways to sell secrets. Regardless...it's bad.
Also it's so obvious every Fox guest is essentially auditioning for Trump. They know he's watching. Pathetic.
Post by: OnlyRegret on August 13, 2022, 12:22:23 AM
It's really amazing how many scandals Trump has been involved in. He even keeps going after he stopped being president
honestly, he has wracked up so many I have been desensitized to it
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 13, 2022, 08:13:19 AM
It's really amazing how many scandals Trump has been involved in. He even keeps going after he stopped being president
honestly, he has wracked up so many I have been desensitized to it
That's by design.
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2022, 09:09:41 AM
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1558418320319082496 (https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1558418320319082496)
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2022, 09:31:16 AM
And these documents were supposed to be stored by the national archives? None of this makes sense.When an administration leaves the documents are sent to the National Archives to determine if they go to the Presidential Library, are stored at the National Archives or are to be returned to the agencies. They can't do this if you take them.
Post by: Sman on August 13, 2022, 09:40:43 AM
(https://abload.de/img/42292ee6be8f7883c2f946euz.jpeg)
:oreilly
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 13, 2022, 11:01:05 AM
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 13, 2022, 12:08:26 PM
https://twitter.com/AmoneyResists/status/1558333793257283584
Post by: BIONIC on August 13, 2022, 12:18:01 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2022, 01:07:56 PM
Is he talking about that Twitter clone or is that a cover up for a secret nuclear missile base
Post by: Tasty on August 13, 2022, 01:32:01 PM
This would be the funniest outcome possible
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1557196801303662592
:lol
Post by: Tasty on August 13, 2022, 01:32:42 PM
trump will never be charged
He's been impeached twice :dead
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 13, 2022, 01:39:35 PM
trump will never be charged
He's been impeached twice :dead
imagine thinking congress matters
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2022, 01:48:23 PM
But I was told walls don't work :idont
Post by: Tasty on August 13, 2022, 05:10:26 PM
trump will never be charged
He's been impeached twice :dead
imagine thinking congress matters
Clearly some group of humans in power thought he should be charged with something.
Could happen again is all I'm saying.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2022, 05:41:37 PM
Every day. drip drip drip
Post by: BIONIC on August 13, 2022, 05:54:01 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2022, 05:57:30 PM
A running theory is that these are the Crossfire Hurricane files.
And part of Crossfire Hurricane (or rather the investigation into it) is Robert Mueller and others selling Uranium to Russia or what is commonly known as the Uranium One deal.
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2022, 06:02:23 PM
And part of Crossfire Hurricane (or rather the investigation into it) is Robert Mueller and others selling Uranium to Russia or what is commonly known as the Uranium One deal.Why would the FBI Director have uranium to sell to Russia?
Why would an investigation into Donald Trump's presidential campaigns potential ties with Russia include files on a then former FBI Director supposedly selling uranium to Russia six years earlier?
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2022, 06:21:52 PM
And part of Crossfire Hurricane (or rather the investigation into it) is Robert Mueller and others selling Uranium to Russia or what is commonly known as the Uranium One deal.Why would the FBI Director have uranium to sell to Russia?
Why would an investigation into Donald Trump's presidential campaigns potential ties with Russia include files on a then former FBI Director supposedly selling uranium to Russia six years earlier?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/uranium-one-is-a-curious-case-1518564360 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/uranium-one-is-a-curious-case-1518564360)
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/409356-fbis-37-secret-pages-of-memos-about-russia-clintons-and-uranium-one/ (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/409356-fbis-37-secret-pages-of-memos-about-russia-clintons-and-uranium-one/)
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Campbell tells me his FBI handlers assured him they had briefed Obama and then-FBI Director Robert Mueller, now the Russia special prosecutor, on Rosatom’s criminal activities as part of the president’s daily briefing and that agents suggested to him that “politics” was the reason the sale was allowed to go through.
This was one of the leads that Rudy was chasing along with Hunter Biden's Ukraine activities.
They were basically trying to find the origins of the Steele dossier and trying to build the case that not Trump but Clinton was working together with Russia.
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2022, 06:51:26 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/uranium-one-is-a-curious-case-1518564360 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/uranium-one-is-a-curious-case-1518564360)Okay, cool, what does any of this have to do with Crossfire Hurricane? And where does it say that Muller had acquired uranium that he was selling to Russia?
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/409356-fbis-37-secret-pages-of-memos-about-russia-clintons-and-uranium-one/ (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/409356-fbis-37-secret-pages-of-memos-about-russia-clintons-and-uranium-one/)QuoteCampbell tells me his FBI handlers assured him they had briefed Obama and then-FBI Director Robert Mueller, now the Russia special prosecutor, on Rosatom’s criminal activities as part of the president’s daily briefing and that agents suggested to him that “politics” was the reason the sale was allowed to go through.
This was one of the leads that Rudy was chasing along with Hunter Biden's Ukraine activities.
They were basically trying to find the origins of the Steele dossier and trying to build the case that not Trump but Clinton was working together with Russia.
Post by: Nintex on August 13, 2022, 07:02:20 PM
Well some journalists seem to think that the files Trump kept at the Mar-A-Lago were the files he declassified regarding Crossfire Hurricane.https://www.wsj.com/articles/uranium-one-is-a-curious-case-1518564360 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/uranium-one-is-a-curious-case-1518564360)Okay, cool, what does any of this have to do with Crossfire Hurricane? And where does it say that Muller had acquired uranium that he was selling to Russia?
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/409356-fbis-37-secret-pages-of-memos-about-russia-clintons-and-uranium-one/ (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/409356-fbis-37-secret-pages-of-memos-about-russia-clintons-and-uranium-one/)QuoteCampbell tells me his FBI handlers assured him they had briefed Obama and then-FBI Director Robert Mueller, now the Russia special prosecutor, on Rosatom’s criminal activities as part of the president’s daily briefing and that agents suggested to him that “politics” was the reason the sale was allowed to go through.
This was one of the leads that Rudy was chasing along with Hunter Biden's Ukraine activities.
They were basically trying to find the origins of the Steele dossier and trying to build the case that not Trump but Clinton was working together with Russia.
The 'nuclear' element of that set of documents could be the Uranium One deal. Mueller played a role in the deal as FBI director.
On the other hand that theory doesn't hold up with the claims that the GSA moved the boxes by accident and it was just some random stuff that was displaced.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2022, 07:03:07 PM
And part of Crossfire Hurricane (or rather the investigation into it) is Robert Mueller and others selling Uranium to Russia or what is commonly known as the Uranium One deal.Why would the FBI Director have uranium to sell to Russia?
Why would an investigation into Donald Trump's presidential campaigns potential ties with Russia include files on a then former FBI Director supposedly selling uranium to Russia six years earlier?
"A running theory..." ie more shit at the wall hoping something sticks. Doesn't even make sense.
https://twitter.com/gal_suburban/status/1558352026437836802
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2022, 08:23:56 PM
Well some journalists seem to think that the files Trump kept at the Mar-A-Lago were the files he declassified regarding Crossfire Hurricane.I don't think you're understanding any of this, let me rephrase to see if you can. Why would a 2016-17 investigation about one thing have documents about something completely different from 2010 involving entirely separate people? And why would you think it would especially involve documents about someone tangentially involved in the latter case doing something they've never been alleged to have done that would seem strange for them to be able to do in the first place?
The 'nuclear' element of that set of documents could be the Uranium One deal. Mueller played a role in the deal as FBI director.
On the other hand that theory doesn't hold up with the claims that the GSA moved the boxes by accident and it was just some random stuff that was displaced.
Uranium One was a company being bought by a Russian company, I assume that the FBI Director is one of multiple people who is required by statute to sign off on such foreign deals. I am questioning where you got from that concept to a separate later investigation into Donald Trump's campaign turning up documents of Mueller personally selling literal uranium to Russia. It feels like a descent from writing fan fiction into just saying random phrases.
Trump taking documents related to Crossfire Hurricane: plausible claim, seems like a highly likely event, doesn't explain the "nuclear secrets" thing though
Crossfire Hurricane files containing secret documents about the former FBI director selling uranium to Russia: what are you even talking about
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 13, 2022, 09:28:30 PM
https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1558579480171614209
Post by: Potato on August 13, 2022, 10:28:36 PM
My assumption is that it was some sort of blackmail guarantee that he would use something in those documents as collateral against being charged with something else.
Benji help...
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2022, 10:33:30 PM
New tactic :lolIf this is what it takes to repeal it, I can't complain. :trumps
So, for someone totally uninvested in this, why was Trump keeping these documents?Until we know more details I'm still just assuming it's documents that are mostly either about himself or one of his obsessions like Hillary or Obama. He doesn't give a shit about the law, he probably took them just because he wanted them.
My assumption is that it was some sort of blackmail guarantee that he would use something in those documents as collateral against being charged with something else.
Benji help...
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2022, 10:49:16 PM
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2022, 11:14:47 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 14, 2022, 12:45:43 AM
I think it's a mistake to assume Trump is some kind of elaborate planner. This is the guy who was easily convinced the Vice President could simply halt an election from being certified indefinitely even after they had to explain to him that he couldn't simply delay elections by himself.
Imagine underestimating a guy who went from selling ties to getting into the most powerful office this side of jail house killings.
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 14, 2022, 04:57:01 AM
Biden to painting of a camel on the wall: "'Mr President'? Ha! Good one corn pop! Did you really not recognise me? I'm Jack Brandon? Your legs aren't hairy anymore, corn pop"
Post by: Nintex on August 14, 2022, 06:40:11 AM
"I'm sorry but we..."
"PRONOUNS!!!"
"I'm sorry again, I'm a he/him and we have no idea how to turn this around before 2024 Madam Vice President. Maybe if we started to focus on things like the economy and migration it might work.
People also respond well to our moderate message on abortion it seems."
"Yeah about that, we need to change that so that it is changed and that change will pave the way for more changes.
We should focus our message on late term abortions, like the latest term possible to show the young birthing people out there that you can indeed abort at any time and any place.
I thought up a name of this campaign myself, we'll call it: "It's never too late!" "
"That's an interesting idea madam Vice President but that would all be for nothing with polls like these"
"How about we throw him in jail? Surely Joe owes me that."
"Well, we came up with something, it's a long shot but it might work. We again need the full cooperation of the media and big tech though, including Google."
"We went over this Bob, the President won't have us shoot him"
"No, it's something else. Remember how 2 years ago we noticed he took all those trinkets, pictures and souvenirs from the White House, like the model of the plane and the letters from other world leaders?"
"Yeah, all that junk, I told you to set whatever he left behind on fire, remember?"
"Yes, well this is a great opportunity for us. What if we claimed that what he took was all classified perhaps at the highest levels. I talked to Dave who is still on his secret service detail"
"Remind me, was that the one that tried to date Tiffany? Can we really trust this guy?"
"No, the other one. The one on our side. Anyway he told me all that stuff is at the Mar-A-Lago and he occasionally shows these things to his guests because he's proud of all that trash, much like he does at Trump Tower, he's kind of a hoarder after all"
"You can make it look like cocktail napkins, selfies and a photoshopped picture of nuking a hurricane are classified Bob? Because I remember that's what you told me you found when you went to check it out a few months ago."
"We're the FBI mam, we can throw up a smoke screen and make anything look classified"
"HAHAHAHAH OOOOOHHOHOHOHHOH HAHAHAHAHHAHA"
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 15, 2022, 11:49:22 AM
Post by: benjipwns on August 15, 2022, 12:40:00 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-graham-must-testify-georgia-grand-jury-investigating-trump-judge-rules/
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"Senator Graham was doing his due diligence before the Electoral Count Act certification vote — where he voted to certify the election," Graham's office said. "Although the district court acknowledged that Speech or Debate may protect some of Senator Graham's activities, she nevertheless ignored the constitutional text and binding Supreme Court precedent."lol, isn't this the call where he asked if all absentee ballots could be thrown out?
The Fulton County District Attorney declined to comment on the ruling.
Graham's attorneys argued in their motion to quash the subpoena that he "was engaged in quintessentially legislative factfinding — both to help him form election-related legislation, including in his role as then-Chair of the Judiciary Committee, and to help inform his vote to certify the election."
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2022, 03:43:37 PM
They stole his expired passports.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 15, 2022, 04:07:24 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on August 15, 2022, 04:09:09 PM
:anhuld
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1559242886021087232
:ohhh
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1559242888072105989
:ryker
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1559244527164071938
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1559245430722027523
:pacspit
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2022, 04:12:23 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1557929811120619520 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1557929811120619520)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaEq5t2UUAMATWn?format=jpg)
Just how many lawyers does he have. :lol
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 15, 2022, 04:14:51 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2022, 04:16:54 PM
is she completely out of her mind too? :sicko
https://twitter.com/JerseyJoe1234/status/1558105827415818241 (https://twitter.com/JerseyJoe1234/status/1558105827415818241)
She can name 5 deep state conspiracies in 26 seconds
:trumps
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 15, 2022, 04:17:18 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1557929811120619520 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1557929811120619520)
Can he even really talk about the documents with his lawyers if the documents are classified? Like at one point it was said they might be so secret you can't even name them.
Post by: Propagandhim on August 15, 2022, 04:22:29 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2022, 04:22:59 PM
:dead
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 15, 2022, 04:31:35 PM
oh, nope
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2022, 04:42:29 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 15, 2022, 04:43:13 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 15, 2022, 05:00:02 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2022, 05:07:15 PM
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1559006304257118208 (https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1559006304257118208)
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 15, 2022, 10:40:39 PM
:girlaff
Post by: Nintex on August 16, 2022, 04:22:44 AM
Post by: Nintex on August 16, 2022, 05:19:02 AM
Trump's lawyers rn :existential
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/15/trump-declassify-national-security-president-00052054 (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/15/trump-declassify-national-security-president-00052054)
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The Scooter Libby case under George W. Bush showed that presidents can declassify materials without a clear paper trail.This totally clears the President*. THANK YOU!
Post by: Nintex on August 16, 2022, 07:22:47 AM
"They were waiting in the basement like Maidens in Bikini's"
"Just imagine Al Qaida taking selfies with these documents"
:dead
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1559495703814078468 (https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1559495703814078468)
The stolen passports have been returned.
Post by: james on August 16, 2022, 10:23:12 AM
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 16, 2022, 04:19:22 PM
Post by: benjipwns on August 16, 2022, 06:21:08 PM
:trumps
Post by: Nintex on August 16, 2022, 06:38:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaUMXnAWAAIrqEk?format=jpg)
Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2022, 12:46:18 AM
Quote from: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2022/08/16/evers-changes-direction-after-appointing-felon-youth-justice-panel/10327762002/
The Evers administration has reversed course on the recent appointment of a convicted felon, who is awaiting trial on five additional felony and misdemeanor charges, to the Governor's Juvenile Justice Commission.:hmm
Aundray Evans, 24, of Milwaukee, was a member of the 19-member commission. He was charged in September 2019 with five criminal counts including armed robbery, motor vehicle theft, possession of a firearm by a felon, cocaine possession and obstructing an officer.
...
Evers re-created the Juvenile Justice Commission in 2019. It is Wisconsin’s State Advisory Group, required by the federal Juvenile Justice Delinquency Prevention Act.
The commission includes law enforcement, corrections professionals, attorneys, judges, mental health practitioners, and non-profit organizations dedicated to youth programming. One-fifth of members are also under the age of 28 when they are appointed.
Cudaback said in order to receive certain federal funds for juvenile justice improvement, federal law requires every state to establish a panel comprised of more than 20% of members who are under the age of 28 and at least three members who have been or are currently under the jurisdiction of the juvenile justice system.
That is how Evans was chosen.
Post by: Nintex on August 17, 2022, 07:35:56 AM
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Post by: Sman on August 17, 2022, 01:42:15 PM
:salute
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 17, 2022, 02:13:47 PM
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 17, 2022, 03:37:49 PM
By the way things are going, Trump might have singlehandedly destroyed the Trump dynasty as well.
:salute
Are you saying the Trump university degree might become worthless? :stahp
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 17, 2022, 05:46:40 PM
Well they keep leaking to the press so might as well go directly to the source. :trumps
https://www.salon.com/2022/08/17/everyones-saying-no-hires-florida-insurance-lawyer-as-top-attorneys-refuse-to-work-for-him/
Poor guy can't catch a break.
Post by: Nintex on August 17, 2022, 05:55:50 PM
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"Several people said Trump was nearly impossible to represent and that it would be unclear if they would ever get paid," the Post reported.:trumps
"This is not good," one Trump confidant told the outlet. "Something big is going to pop. Somebody needs to be in charge."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2022, 06:56:18 PM
Post by: Mupepe on August 17, 2022, 07:29:24 PM
Trump confirms he has his passports back.If Roosevelt was livin, he wouldn’t let this be! No no no!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaUMXnAWAAIrqEk?format=jpg)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2022, 07:37:03 PM
:o
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 17, 2022, 08:11:53 PM
Jesus Christ.
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 17, 2022, 09:31:02 PM
Post by: Occam on August 18, 2022, 12:54:45 AM
Students lose access to books amid ‘state-sponsored purging of ideas’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/17/book-ban-restriction-access-lgbtq/
Florida court rules 16-year-old is not ‘sufficiently mature’ for abortion
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/08/17/florida-teen-abortion-denied-mature/
Post by: Potato on August 18, 2022, 01:36:59 AM
Welcome to Gilead.
Students lose access to books amid ‘state-sponsored purging of ideas’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/08/17/book-ban-restriction-access-lgbtq/
Haven't got time to click through and read. Did they finally get Harry Potter books banned?
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2022, 03:35:30 AM
Still this thing is a self-inflicted wound. Teachers and schools taunting the parents with poorly written drivel about their ideology of the week. With some of these books it's like learning the kids internet search through pornhub.
Post by: Uncle on August 18, 2022, 06:35:50 AM
depending on the phase or temperament of the kid, finding out what they do or enjoy can sometimes be like pulling teeth
there have been big strides recently in terms of data that can be shared with parents including homework, units being covered, and individual grades, and this feels like a natural extension of that
if you find out they're checking out a lot of fantasy books or graphic novels or whatever, it primes you to be able to recommend more, or know what might make a good gift
I understand the implication that this is for parents who want to catch kids reading "So You Think You're Trans" but situations like that feel like an edge case compared to the benefits of having an avenue to find out what your kid is interested in
plus the other thing this does is promotes responsibility on the parents' part to take an active role in their kid's education and upbringing, there are so many shitty absentee parents and anything along these lines just adds another vector to encourage them to pay more attention
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2022, 07:25:16 AM
I actually like that parents get an email with whatever books the child checked outThat is what worries the people against it the most.
depending on the phase or temperament of the kid, finding out what they do or enjoy can sometimes be like pulling teeth
there have been big strides recently in terms of data that can be shared with parents including homework, units being covered, and individual grades, and this feels like a natural extension of that
if you find out they're checking out a lot of fantasy books or graphic novels or whatever, it primes you to be able to recommend more, or know what might make a good gift
I understand the implication that this is for parents who want to catch kids reading "So You Think You're Trans" but situations like that feel like an edge case compared to the benefits of having an avenue to find out what your kid is interested in
plus the other thing this does is promotes responsibility on the parents' part to take an active role in their kid's education and upbringing, there are so many shitty absentee parents and anything along these lines just adds another vector to encourage them to pay more attention
The data will show, as it always does, that kids will flock to Harry Potter, books about adventures, science fiction, magic, history, animals and whatnot and other things they enjoy and not politicsTM, race theories or gender studies.
Likewise on the other side of the spectrum there will be dissapointment that their kids didn't pick "The Bible" or "Mike Huckabee's Children Guide to American Greatness" or whatever but Alladin.
Post by: james on August 18, 2022, 10:07:21 AM
I'm against censorship.
Still this thing is a self-inflicted wound. Teachers and schools taunting the parents with poorly written drivel about their ideology of the week. With some of these books it's like learning the kids internet search through pornhub.
The "Nintex is a theocratic evangelical who thinks all books that reference magic should be banned" is a new twist
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2022, 11:09:37 AM
Don't blame me when the kids are educated in the Critical Sonic TheoryI'm against censorship.
Still this thing is a self-inflicted wound. Teachers and schools taunting the parents with poorly written drivel about their ideology of the week. With some of these books it's like learning the kids internet search through pornhub.
The "Nintex is a theocratic evangelical who thinks all books that reference magic should be banned" is a new twist
Post by: james on August 18, 2022, 11:26:51 AM
Don't blame me when the kids are educated in the Critical Sonic TheoryI'm against censorship.
Still this thing is a self-inflicted wound. Teachers and schools taunting the parents with poorly written drivel about their ideology of the week. With some of these books it's like learning the kids internet search through pornhub.
The "Nintex is a theocratic evangelical who thinks all books that reference magic should be banned" is a new twist
FACT CHECK: Teachers play Animal Crossing not Sonic
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2022, 11:44:39 AM
I think this has a bigger chance of blowing up in Trump's face than the documents tbh
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 18, 2022, 12:29:27 PM
https://twitter.com/AndreaBNYC/status/1560269250681798662 (https://twitter.com/AndreaBNYC/status/1560269250681798662)
I think this has a bigger chance of blowing up in Trump's face than the documents tbh
I think he's fucked on multiple fronts. The bigger question to me is when does the GOP start to distance themselves. The longer they support, the worse they will look. A bit surprising, as DeSantis would be a very easy pivot for them.
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2022, 01:45:01 PM
How long did it take them to distance themselves from G.W. Bush and his band of neo-cons?https://twitter.com/AndreaBNYC/status/1560269250681798662 (https://twitter.com/AndreaBNYC/status/1560269250681798662)
I think this has a bigger chance of blowing up in Trump's face than the documents tbh
I think he's fucked on multiple fronts. The bigger question to me is when does the GOP start to distance themselves. The longer they support, the worse they will look. A bit surprising, as DeSantis would be a very easy pivot for them.
I think it was the last year of his presidency and mostly because the economy had tanked too.
And they never really got rid of the neo-cons in their orbit.
If they didn't distance themselves from the neo-cons over fake WMD's, torture camps, tanking the world economy and two failed wars.
Why would they distance themselves from Trump over tax fraud or classified documents.
The walls have actually closed in.
https://twitter.com/davidfolkenflik/status/1560317211402817537 (https://twitter.com/davidfolkenflik/status/1560317211402817537)
Post by: Propagandhim on August 18, 2022, 02:00:41 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 18, 2022, 02:02:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FadgUTmWAAEd__v?format=png)
The audience has spoken
https://twitter.com/claireatki/status/1560305568929222659 (https://twitter.com/claireatki/status/1560305568929222659)
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 18, 2022, 02:27:18 PM
How long did it take them to distance themselves from G.W. Bush and his band of neo-cons?
I think it was the last year of his presidency and mostly because the economy had tanked too.
And they never really got rid of the neo-cons in their orbit.
If they didn't distance themselves from the neo-cons over fake WMD's, torture camps, tanking the world economy and two failed wars.
Why would they distance themselves from Trump over tax fraud or classified documents.
Fair point.
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2022, 05:09:01 PM
I think one of these polls may turn out to be inaccurate.
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 18, 2022, 05:30:08 PM
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 18, 2022, 05:39:05 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2022, 08:11:26 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/yGmWWLS.png)
I think one of these polls may turn out to be inaccurate.
But what are the unskewed numbers.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/qsrBVQv.jpg)
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Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2022, 10:05:40 AM
Quote from: https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-08-18/anti-abortion-groups-allege-60-errors-in-michigan-proposal
LANSING, Mich. (AP) — An anti-abortion coalition in Michigan filed a challenge Thursday against a potential ballot initiative that seeks to enshrine abortion rights into the state’s constitution, claiming that 60 errors in the proposed amendment should disqualify it from the November ballot.We'll fix it in post. :trumps
The alleged 60 errors deal with spacing and result in “strings of gibberish,” making the amendment “impossible to understand,” the coalition said in a statement. Examples flagged by the group in the ballot language include the lack of spaces in phrases such as "DECISIONSABOUTALLMATTERSRELATINGTOPREGNANCY," "THEREISASIGNIFICANTLIKELIHOOD," or "OFTHEFETUS'SSUSTAINEDSURVIVALOUTSIDETHE."
“Some people would say, ‘Oh, they’re just spaces,’ but amending the constitution is pretty serious business and the correct number of typos to put in your constitution is zero,” Christen Pollo, a spokeswoman for Citizens to Support MI Women and Children, told The Associated Press.
But Richard Primus, a professor of constitutional law at the University of Michigan Law School, said he believes the amendment’s language could be cleaned up and that typographical problems wouldn’t cause legal issues.
“There’s no reason to think that anyone didn’t understand what the petition was saying,” Primus said. “There have been typographical problems with things drafted for constitutions as long as there have been constitutions in the United States.”
Post by: jorma on August 19, 2022, 02:15:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/yGmWWLS.png)
I think one of these polls may turn out to be inaccurate.
But what are the unskewed numbers.spoiler (click to show/hide)(https://i.imgur.com/qsrBVQv.jpg)[close]
(https://cdn.memes.com/up/99548121617493687/i/1617493795096.jpg)
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2022, 03:06:39 PM
https://twitter.com/HerschelWalker/status/1559929130875080705 (https://twitter.com/HerschelWalker/status/1559929130875080705)
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 19, 2022, 04:39:35 PM
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.tenor.com%2Fimages%2F109730426724bddab01fcc6271fc4fbf%2Ftenor.gif%3Fitemid%3D13308042&f=1&nofb=1)
Post by: Nintex on August 19, 2022, 06:15:24 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1560449991981862915 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1560449991981862915)
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1560450407700348928 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1560450407700348928)
She looks good on TV but she's a terrible attorney :dead
"President Trump believed it was safe... I mean the team believed it was safe"
"I will have to ask maintenance if the room was secure"
Did you just incriminate your boss during a series of soft ball questions Christina :doge
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2022, 07:31:41 PM
:dobbs
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2022, 07:36:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1560444836108443650
:hmm
spoiler (click to show/hide)
tfw when you gotta stop sending your candidates on Hannity to protect them from themselves :doge
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Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2022, 05:49:36 AM
DeSantis is also holding rallies in support, but he's mostly talking about himself.
With that said Fetterman has issues too, serious issues, recently recovered from a stroke issues.
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2022, 09:23:21 AM
Poor Christina she was doing such a great job :fbm
Post by: Nintex on August 21, 2022, 01:14:20 PM
https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1561374279471611907 (https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1561374279471611907)
lmao
You should thank President Trump for the ratings :ufup
Post by: benjipwns on August 21, 2022, 06:44:35 PM
Post by: Transhuman on August 21, 2022, 09:24:34 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 22, 2022, 05:38:55 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaqEt6BUEAAbiMk?format=jpg)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 22, 2022, 12:12:06 PM
Post by: benjipwns on August 22, 2022, 01:59:47 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 22, 2022, 05:03:54 PM
https://twitter.com/VelshiMSNBC/status/1561363966512832515 (https://twitter.com/VelshiMSNBC/status/1561363966512832515)
Post by: Nintex on August 22, 2022, 06:27:11 PM
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1561824853166116865 (https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1561824853166116865)
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on August 22, 2022, 06:49:31 PM
:whatisthis
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2022, 08:34:51 PM
Post by: who is ted danson? on August 23, 2022, 04:43:08 PM
https://twitter.com/govttrader/status/1562112666868621315
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 23, 2022, 04:50:10 PM
THE BORE »General »The Superdeep Borehole »Post reply ( Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town )
https://twitter.com/govttrader/status/1562112666868621315
Have you ever had the feeling
That the world's gone
and left you behind?
Have you ever had the feeling
That you're that close
to losing your mind?
You look around each corner,
Hoping that she's there.
You try to play it cool, perhaps.
Pretend that you don't care.
But it doesn't do a bit of good.
You've got to seek 'til you find.
Or you'll never unwind.
Try to think that loves not around.
Still it's uncomfortably near.
My old heart, ain't gaining no ground.
Because my angel eyes ain't here.
Angel eyes that old devil sent.
They glow unbearably bright.
Need I say, that my love's misspent?
Misspent with angel eyes tonight.
So drink up all you people.
Order anything you see.
Have fun you happy people.
The drink, and the laugh's on me.
Pardon me, but I've got to run.
The fact's uncomfortably clear.
Got to find who's now number one.
And why my angel eyes ain't here.
Tell me why my angel eyes ain't here.
Asking why my angel eyes ain't here.
Excuse me, while I disappear.
. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaWd0pNHDes)
Post by: benjipwns on August 23, 2022, 05:57:05 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 23, 2022, 06:00:47 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Faz9dYoXoAE39K8?format=jpg)
Post by: benjipwns on August 23, 2022, 10:42:10 PM
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 24, 2022, 02:34:11 AM
Post by: benjipwns on August 24, 2022, 04:13:20 AM
https://twitter.com/peterkellyOKAY/status/1561426919651885056
https://twitter.com/peterkellyOKAY/status/1561427967389188097
Post by: james on August 24, 2022, 03:37:33 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 24, 2022, 05:48:17 PM
Meanwhile at the GOP
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1562525364919775235 (https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1562525364919775235)
:badass
Post by: Nintex on August 25, 2022, 05:56:50 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fa9bkrFXkAAmqM0?format=jpg)
Elaine "Coco" Chao :lol
Also the globalists have uncovered the Batcave
https://twitter.com/OlgaNYC1211/status/1562624557046906886 (https://twitter.com/OlgaNYC1211/status/1562624557046906886)
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 25, 2022, 03:49:44 PM
Bruh
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 25, 2022, 03:57:33 PM
Post by: james on August 25, 2022, 05:25:50 PM
Post by: BIONIC on August 25, 2022, 05:29:48 PM
RELEASE THE KRAKEN
If you say so.
*Unzips pants*
:smug
Post by: Nintex on August 25, 2022, 06:51:32 PM
does he think he's helping
Post by: Potato on August 25, 2022, 06:53:31 PM
Kraken, not the calamari ringRELEASE THE KRAKEN
If you say so.
*Unzips pants*
:smug
Post by: Propagandhim on August 25, 2022, 07:27:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1562884301490114562 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1562884301490114562)
does he think he's helping
He's just a dumb, aloof old man! He doesn't know anything about papers and boxes or whatever you're talking about! :rkelly
...but also a political mastermind of 4D Chess, capable of brokering the best deals, and leveraging America better than anyone in international relations. :salute
....but also a dumb distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, so don't bother him! :trumpcry
....but the smartest dumb distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. :cruise
Post by: benjipwns on August 25, 2022, 10:29:57 PM
Fuck Biden my parents paid for college so what do I get????????????(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fa-jHguX0AA_wSv?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: Propagandhim on August 25, 2022, 10:53:16 PM
:lol
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 26, 2022, 07:25:58 AM
https://www.axios.com/2022/08/25/trump-truth-social-trademark-denied
The hits keep coming.
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2022, 07:51:10 AM
:playa
https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1563116020696760321 (https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1563116020696760321)
Any of you bois reach King level yet?
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 26, 2022, 01:24:05 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2022, 01:45:51 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 26, 2022, 01:51:52 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2022, 02:48:29 PM
They released the affidavit heavily redacted which gives both sides just enough to support their version of the story :lol"Both sides"...but it specifically states there is probable cause to charge him on multiple counts, and that he was housing information he shouldn't have had - and information they thought he gave them back in January.
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2022, 05:20:43 PM
Yes that's one side. But the other sideThey released the affidavit heavily redacted which gives both sides just enough to support their version of the story :lol"Both sides"...but it specifically states there is probable cause to charge him on multiple counts, and that he was housing information he shouldn't have had - and information they thought he gave them back in January.
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1563222609172779009 (https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1563222609172779009)
And then there's of course Maggie of the NYT who has probably seen the boxes first hand
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1563214347140493313 (https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1563214347140493313)
But it may all come down to an investigation by the FBI into a woman from Ukraine who poses as 'Anna de Rothschild"
https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1563256686336303105 (https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1563256686336303105)
https://twitter.com/PittsburghPG/status/1563183663348842497 (https://twitter.com/PittsburghPG/status/1563183663348842497)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 26, 2022, 05:38:10 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 26, 2022, 06:52:06 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbHnBV8VUAUttzQ?format=jpg)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2022, 07:10:53 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 27, 2022, 06:28:38 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 27, 2022, 07:47:14 PM
https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1563374118916960256 (https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1563374118916960256)
Trump's likely getting his special master though
https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1563634246308200448 (https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1563634246308200448)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2022, 12:34:25 AM
Think about it for a few seconds. Imagine the president wanted to declassify nuclear submarine routes. No one would argue a president can wave his hand and declassify that type of high level intelligence information.
I'm not gonna jump on that CIA agent story. It's certainly a coincidence, and MAL clearly was (is?) crawling with foreign spies, but it's quite a leap to say "Trump was selling US agents for money/business."
Post by: benjipwns on August 28, 2022, 01:20:52 PM
The way the defenders seem to be using it is more like "hey, you've got some classified documents here" "oh, I declassified those" "never mind then, my mistake!" I've even seen some suggest that once you're a President you can always personally declassify any documents you want forever so Trump could just declassify them (without telling anyone) after the government asked for them back.
The current defenses seem to be saying that he took them on purpose but that's fine because Presidents can't do anything illegal by definition. Even after they've left office.
Post by: Nintex on August 28, 2022, 01:55:01 PM
Their reading of the constitution was that the President could basically do whatever the fuck he wanted as long as he thought it was in the best interest of United States.
The same defense that got Trump through one of his impeachment trials thanks to Alan Dershowitz.
What makes or breaks this case is really what happened to those documents while they were at the Mar-A-Lago. Did Trump show them to others, did he know what was there etc. . If Trump is part of some scheme to sell secrets to a foreign power it's a slam dunk case but if it stays limited to boxes that ended up in his storage by accident and the government wanted to secure those boxes by any means necessary, they can confiscate the contents but it will be very difficult to prosecute Trump himself.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 28, 2022, 02:08:59 PM
Post by: benjipwns on August 28, 2022, 03:03:56 PM
It all comes down to the limits of the power of the executive, which was already a big question during the Bush administration.I don't think you're understanding that they asked him to send them back and he refused.
Their reading of the constitution was that the President could basically do whatever the fuck he wanted as long as he thought it was in the best interest of United States.
The same defense that got Trump through one of his impeachment trials thanks to Alan Dershowitz.
What makes or breaks this case is really what happened to those documents while they were at the Mar-A-Lago. Did Trump show them to others, did he know what was there etc. . If Trump is part of some scheme to sell secrets to a foreign power it's a slam dunk case but if it stays limited to boxes that ended up in his storage by accident and the government wanted to secure those boxes by any means necessary, they can confiscate the contents but it will be very difficult to prosecute Trump himself.
Post by: Nintex on August 29, 2022, 12:48:03 PM
"We've already filtered out the stuff that we weren't supposed to see" :smug
Post by: Nintex on August 29, 2022, 12:56:42 PM
:hesright
Are they going to deny what Zuckerberg said on the Joe Rogan Experience?
Is Zuckerberg going to deny what he said on the Joe Rogan Experience?
Dark Brandon intensifies
https://twitter.com/Tammuz_Intel/status/1564261043215417346 (https://twitter.com/Tammuz_Intel/status/1564261043215417346)
https://twitter.com/NoeliaIzarza/status/1564260463411662848 (https://twitter.com/NoeliaIzarza/status/1564260463411662848)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2022, 01:05:45 PM
Yes if he sold them that's treason and he's going to jail forever, but the current case is focused on him having highly classified documents he's not authorized to have, and (allegedly) obstructing the retrieval of them to the point the FBI had no choice but to take them away. I think Trump is a POS sociopath but I wouldn't assume he did something as treasonous as that without charges or accusations being filed about it.
He has no executive privilege as a private citizen. That power rests solely with Biden. If the documents he had were declassified there will be an obvious process trail that proves it. It sounds like some of the documents relate to the Russia-gate thing. Maybe he withheld documents he thought were damning to him. Maybe he withheld documents to reveal his innocence. Who knows. But given that some of the documents, whether they involved Russia-gate or not, included highly sensitive shit like human intelligence agent names...the "declassification" argument further falls apart. He can't wave his hand and reveal the names of spies in foreign countries.
Post by: Propagandhim on August 29, 2022, 01:35:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbV5nCvXEAEFexR?format=jpg)
:lol
Post by: Propagandhim on August 29, 2022, 01:44:28 PM
:lol
Post by: Nintex on August 29, 2022, 01:45:57 PM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1564283012468166657 (https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1564283012468166657)
Trump/Rogan 2024
LFG!
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 29, 2022, 02:12:08 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbV5nCvXEAEFexR?format=jpg)
:hesright
So Trump imagines that Biden somehow had more control over the FBI than him, the sitting President?
Post by: benjipwns on August 29, 2022, 02:14:42 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbV5nCvXEAEFexR?format=jpg)Who is he quoting?
:hesright
What's the FRAUD?
Also neither of those are remedies. You don't get to just declare counterfactual hypotheticals and then have courts enforce them against everyone else.
Post by: zomgee on August 29, 2022, 02:19:27 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 29, 2022, 03:51:34 PM
Post by: BIONIC on August 29, 2022, 03:56:30 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
No
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Post by: Nintex on August 29, 2022, 04:19:35 PM
https://twitter.com/iraqi_day/status/1564340493181394945 (https://twitter.com/iraqi_day/status/1564340493181394945)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rXrT7NylMcY/hqdefault.jpg)
Post by: Tasty on August 29, 2022, 06:57:22 PM
Yes, all these "the President can declassify anything he wants" takes seem to just skip right over the fact that the President is merely empowered to personally start the process. And as head of the executive branch obviously has the ability to lean on people to get it done.
The way the defenders seem to be using it is more like "hey, you've got some classified documents here" "oh, I declassified those" "never mind then, my mistake!" I've even seen some suggest that once you're a President you can always personally declassify any documents you want forever so Trump could just declassify them (without telling anyone) after the government asked for them back.
The current defenses seem to be saying that he took them on purpose but that's fine because Presidents can't do anything illegal by definition. Even after they've left office.
This sounds like a fucking moronic argument.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2022, 09:01:23 PM
6 Months ago I would have said dems will lose the house and probably the senate. Now it's looking like they're going to win the senate and won't lose the house and badly as I thought. Some projections have them even keeping the house (I doubt that). I think Fetterman wins PA easily. I think Ryan can win OH but it's no sure shot. WI is winnable. Biggest concern in terms of held seats has to be Georgia. Hershel Walker is clearly a fucking clown but it's Georgia, red state (despite 2020), unpopular incumbent president, perhaps less of a Dobbs impact...ehhhh Walker can still win.
Post by: james on August 29, 2022, 09:39:04 PM
Post by: benjipwns on August 29, 2022, 10:11:14 PM
Nintex in shambles as Dark Biden conjures up another stunning election victoryYou mean another stunning stolen election from guaranteed winners like Dr. Oz, J.D. Vance (Trump supporter NeverTrump division), David Perdue and Laura Loomer.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2022, 10:32:43 PM
Nintex in shambles as Dark Biden conjures up another stunning election victoryYou mean another stunning stolen election from guaranteed winners like Dr. Oz, J.D. Vance (Trump supporter NeverTrump division), David Perdue and Laura Loomer.
Not to mention the way Trump has likely doomed multiple governor races. Whitmer is cruising to re-election against an extremist Trumper who who is on the record stating there should be no exceptions for abortion. And in PA, a right wing piece of shit/Confederate cosplay dude is the republican nominee. Those are arguably the two most important governor seats for 2024 elections and they've (apparently) been handed over with ease to democrats. If dems pull it out in Wisconsin too I'd say Biden or whoever runs has a very good shot at winning.
Post by: Nintex on August 30, 2022, 01:46:18 PM
this level of shitposting :titus
https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1564636082464886786 (https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1564636082464886786)
:biden
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 30, 2022, 02:07:15 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 30, 2022, 03:37:38 PM
that's quite a downgrade from nuclear secrets
Post by: Nintex on August 30, 2022, 06:37:18 PM
:fbm
Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2022, 03:00:13 AM
:pika
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 31, 2022, 10:07:37 AM
Post by: james on August 31, 2022, 10:17:35 AM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 31, 2022, 10:40:51 AM
Post by: james on August 31, 2022, 10:57:01 AM
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 31, 2022, 11:48:12 AM
https://twitter.com/JudiciaryGOP/status/1564971946701475845
Biden didn't order a drone strike on Mar-a-lago the minute Trump left office, so clearly the documents weren't important. Just like Gym Jordan didn't report all the child molestations that happened under his watch, so clearly they were nbd.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2022, 11:50:33 AM
:lol
Trump's (TV) attorney signed the federal paperwork in January stating that all top secret/classified/confidential docs had been turned over. She's probably going to get hit with obstruction charges. At which point the question the feds will want to know is...did Trump tell you to lie.
Post by: Propagandhim on August 31, 2022, 11:51:32 AM
… And I'm proud to be an American
Where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the men who died
Who gave that right to me
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 31, 2022, 01:06:20 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbcGqXpXoAArVDC?format=jpg&name=large)
… And I'm proud to be an American
Where at least I know I'm free
And I won't forget the men who died
Who gave that right to me
Sad to see Big Van Vader end up this way :tocry
Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2022, 02:33:01 PM
But but Dark Brandon
https://twitter.com/DavidEdwards/status/1565027550430203907 (https://twitter.com/DavidEdwards/status/1565027550430203907)
:whew
Post by: zomgee on August 31, 2022, 02:38:23 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2022, 02:39:23 PM
Prepare for the retirement home old man 8)
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1564735446135054338 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1564735446135054338)
:trumps
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1564670199659470848 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1564670199659470848)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 31, 2022, 02:42:35 PM
Some MAGA isn't going to give Biden his due, nor will the Bernard brother and so on.
Basically you have no more normies left :elon
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm basing this off the only complete loons respond to polls anyway theory too
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Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2022, 02:49:22 PM
They aren't polling any Q's, Patriot Point collectors, crackheads or crypto miners.
Trump responds to the picture
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fbfbr_PXwAEUVDr?format=jpg)
Post by: Maiden Voyage on August 31, 2022, 06:51:55 PM
Post by: BIONIC on August 31, 2022, 07:22:45 PM
Post by: HaughtyFrank on August 31, 2022, 08:03:31 PM
https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1565086491847573504
At least I guess we know now they're not going with the "the fbi planted them" defense.
Post by: Propagandhim on August 31, 2022, 08:05:34 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2022, 08:29:04 PM
:lol :lol :lol :lol
Post by: Propagandhim on August 31, 2022, 08:50:04 PM
edit: oh yeah, that Gravel guy
Post by: BIONIC on August 31, 2022, 08:55:40 PM
Post by: Transhuman on August 31, 2022, 09:25:37 PM
He thinks people don't know that the docs were placed there for the FBI to photograph? :lol
They weren't just "splayed about" on the floor for any cleaning lady to stumble on like the libs would have you believe. They were safely secured in cardboard boxes. And the lids were on, too.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 31, 2022, 09:48:54 PM
On August 26, 2022, the U.S. government, or USG, informed NVIDIA Corporation, or the Company, that the USG has imposed a new license requirement, effective immediately, for any future export to China (including Hong Kong) and Russia of the Company’s A100 and forthcoming H100 integrated circuits. DGX or any other systems which incorporate A100 or H100 integrated circuits and the A100X are also covered by the new license requirement. The license requirement also includes any future NVIDIA integrated circuit achieving both peak performance and chip-to-chip I/O performance equal to or greater than thresholds that are roughly equivalent to the A100, as well as any system that includes those circuits. A license is required to export technology to support or develop covered products. The USG indicated that the new license requirement will address the risk that the covered products may be used in, or diverted to, a ‘military end use’ or ‘military end user’ in China and Russia. The Company does not sell products to customers in Russia.
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2022, 12:09:04 AM
https://twitter.com/DavidEdwards/status/1565027550430203907 (https://twitter.com/DavidEdwards/status/1565027550430203907)Maybe ask your client about that Assange guy he hit with the "mundane" Espionage Act sometime?
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2022, 12:11:49 AM
She must be the first Alaskan Democrat to be elected in like a century. :lolAlaska actually used to be a pretty Democratic state, it's just simply always been represented by Don Young, Ted Stevens or someone from the Murkoswski family since the 1970's until they started dying. Mark Begich was a member of the post-Obama Democratic supermajority in the Senate after winning in 2008.
edit: oh yeah, that Gravel guy
Sarah Palin actually isn't all that popular in Alaska anymore, even among Republicans, they got upset at how she quit as Governor. I saw some stuff in this race about how Alaskans think she only got in it so she could run for President rather than actually be in the House. She only got 27% and 30% in the primary and 31% in this first-round. The other Republican in the race (Nick Begich) had enough of his supporters vote against her as the second choice which means they ranked Begich, Peltola, Palin in that order.
Post by: Propagandhim on September 01, 2022, 06:41:47 AM
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 01, 2022, 09:16:09 AM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 01, 2022, 12:23:36 PM
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-charges-oath-keepers-lawyer-with-jan-6-conspiracy-obstruction-2022-09-01/
Post by: Occam on September 01, 2022, 01:49:03 PM
(https://i.redd.it/nicr6458ect01.jpg)
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 01, 2022, 02:18:55 PM
:hans1
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2022, 02:54:09 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2022, 03:03:11 PM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1565357420108455938 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1565357420108455938)
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 01, 2022, 03:25:15 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 01, 2022, 05:08:17 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 01, 2022, 05:19:50 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2022, 05:27:45 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2022, 05:50:57 PM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1565436402707435522https://twitter.com/kaoskit/status/1565441936110276608
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 01, 2022, 05:57:31 PM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1565436402707435522https://twitter.com/kaoskit/status/1565441936110276608
It all makes sense now.
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2022, 06:30:43 PM
https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1565313449575546881 (https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1565313449575546881)
Trump almost breaks character
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1565321998527594500 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1565321998527594500)
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 01, 2022, 06:42:05 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 01, 2022, 10:18:06 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2022, 01:17:16 AM
The walls are closing in"reportedly"?
https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1565313449575546881 (https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1565313449575546881)
Couldn't they check and get some examples? Then report that it happened rather than report that there are reports of it?
Post by: Nintex on September 02, 2022, 02:12:02 AM
https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1565496344713859078 (https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1565496344713859078)
Those documents definitely seem like the realest scandal Trump has faced. Not quite sure how he would be able to get out of it. Maybe blame it on some scapegoat?There are plenty of ways for him to stall the process and a number of people he can throw under the bus. And he's not wrong about the poll numbers, it will be very difficult to prosecute a Presidential front runner without making it a political process. Ironically he can hide behind the fact that Clinton got away with her server too. The espionage thing is the biggest question mark, that could potentally sink him.
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 02, 2022, 07:58:42 AM
Dark Brandon intensifies
https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1565496344713859078 (https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1565496344713859078)Those documents definitely seem like the realest scandal Trump has faced. Not quite sure how he would be able to get out of it. Maybe blame it on some scapegoat?There are plenty of ways for him to stall the process and a number of people he can throw under the bus. And he's not wrong about the poll numbers, it will be very difficult to prosecute a Presidential front runner without making it a political process. Ironically he can hide behind the fact that Clinton got away with her server too. The espionage thing is the biggest question mark, that could potentally sink him.
Now the millennial are killing cancer. When will their bloodlust be satiated?!
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 02, 2022, 11:12:09 AM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1565719976698433536
Post by: Nintex on September 02, 2022, 01:42:56 PM
That clears the President, THANK YOU!
The right seems super shocked that their Dark Brandon fascism meme is actually real.
Look who's back
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1565752353277579269 (https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1565752353277579269)
More walls closing in
https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1565731351617277957 (https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1565731351617277957)
Post by: Nintex on September 02, 2022, 05:30:10 PM
Ah yes the afghan army would've been a formidable fighting force if the taliban weren't Mar a Lago regulars :dead
Post by: Himu on September 02, 2022, 11:19:04 PM
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 02, 2022, 11:34:43 PM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1565844646235979778
Post by: Himu on September 02, 2022, 11:42:54 PM
Democrats are really hammering it down with their stupid extremist anti-gun laws. SCOTUS tells New York state to fuck off with their stupid gun laws? Let's keep on keeping on.
Both want a perpetual nanny state in their own personal way. The state of American politics. Meanwhile, Sir. Benjamin's party has been taking over by those MISES quacks. Absolutely zero options every day Americans. Everyone tries to get votes from the extreme fringes that live on the gaddamn internet.
https://twitter.com/mattsheffield/status/1565830087911432192
:lol
Years of "Obama is a Marxist Muslim" and "MAGA are fascists!" Just back and forth between two parties prattling like two children in the backseat when all you want is for them to eat their fucking food and shut the fuck up. "The election was stolen!" - Dems in 2000 and 2016. "The election was stolen!" Republicans in 2020. Just tiresome gay shit of the highest order.
https://twitter.com/JoshKraushaar/status/1565839407411757056
Quote
The leader of the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation has been accused by former colleagues of stealing more than $10 million in donations from the organization for personal use, according to a lawsuit filed in court this week.
Shalomyah Bowers was called in the court filing as a “rogue administrator, a middle man turned usurper” who siphoned contributions to the nonprofit activist group to use as a “personal piggy bank,” according to the lawsuit filed in Los Angeles County Superior Court on Thursday.
Lmfao Professional Victims and Marxists really know how to grift. Identity politics is a con to milk money from dummies.
Post by: Nintex on September 03, 2022, 02:26:25 AM
https://twitter.com/adegrandpre/status/1565816963091292160 (https://twitter.com/adegrandpre/status/1565816963091292160)
Good, this hate speech is very dangerous and we all remember what happened in the 1930's
https://twitter.com/TheGoodLiars/status/1564983036474757123 (https://twitter.com/TheGoodLiars/status/1564983036474757123)
Those classified documents really tie the room together :trumps
Post by: Himu on September 03, 2022, 05:28:32 AM
"Here's a solution."
"No! It's not the one I like!"
The walls are closing in"reportedly"?
https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1565313449575546881 (https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1565313449575546881)
Couldn't they check and get some examples? Then report that it happened rather than report that there are reports of it?
No, see Benji. Modern "journalism" is a report of a report of a report with unsubstantiated sources you're just supposed to trust because Democracy Dies In Darkness. My source this morning confirmed that President Trump experienced massive blockage while on the toilet after his daily McDonald's trip.
https://twitter.com/TheGoodLiars/status/1564983036474757123 (https://twitter.com/TheGoodLiars/status/1564983036474757123)
Those classified documents really tie the room together :trumps
Lmfao this incompetent turd bucket. How will he turn this into him being a victim this time? Bububu Obama
https://twitter.com/MarkJacob16/status/1565791560259739651
Do we have a soyjak emoji? MAGA are fascists! They're coming to kill us! Please ban guns! Liberals are so re re.
Post by: Himu on September 03, 2022, 05:59:35 AM
Someone bring signs that say Allahu Ackbar so they can kiss my ass. We will serve only dates and samosas for breakfast in this cafeteria!! And then one of the flags will be the Ottoman flag.
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1565826511751598080
Republicans: let's try to ban abortions despite most Americans supporting them within means.
Democrats: let's try to ban guns because we like to make policy that is utterly stupid and based off emotional blackmail.
Both want to lose midterms. It's pretty obvious. Whichever wins, Americans lose. Both want to force their fucking stupid bullshit on all of us. Both are ran by utter cunts and geriatrics.
Post by: Nintex on September 03, 2022, 06:34:30 AM
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Why do you think they believe only their solutions to climate change will work when they can could have invested in nuclear 30 years ago?It solves the energy problem leading to more production, consumption and emissions, what they want is people to consume less and change their habits.
"Energy poverty" is a policy to bring about the changes they think are necessary to save the climate. (closing factories, farms, replacing meat with bugs and soy, making cars and air travel unaffordable, working at home etc.)
Nuclear energy would not change consumption habits and destroy their bottom line as they mostly get money from donations and lawsuits against fossil fuel energy companies.
All those in favor of the 'pro-climate' policies have the same message, people have to consume less and change their way of living.
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Lmfao this incompetent turd bucket. How will he turn this into him being a victim this time?The general consensus is that Mark Meadows flipped on him, who as Chief of Staff would've been responsible for this.
Trump seems to have wanted personal trinkets and souvenirs from his time at the White House to display and keep.
Considering the nature of classified information, that could've been literally anything. Those folders could've contained pictures of vehicles, transcripts of his meetings with Kim Jun Un, weather reports or flight plans.
99% of the items that get to the President's desk are probably classified in some form. Trump keeps saying it is his stuff so I expect it mostly has to do with things he was personally involved in and relate to things he has on display like foreign trips and the new Air Force One.
The fact that they returned expired passports is another sign that he was just hoarding stuff like he also did at Trump Tower.
The big question is if this is what his staff collected for him (which would make it difficult to claim espionage) or if he just randomly took stuff by himself not caring if it was classified or not or if he took certain items to sell or share.
Post by: Himu on September 03, 2022, 06:50:42 AM
QuoteWhy do you think they believe only their solutions to climate change will work when they can could have invested in nuclear 30 years ago?It solves the energy problem leading to more production, consumption and emissions, what they want is people to consume less and change their habits.
"Energy poverty" is a policy to bring about the changes they think are necessary to save the climate. (closing factories, farms, replacing meat with bugs and soy, making cars and air travel unaffordable, working at home etc.)
Nuclear energy would not change consumption habits and destroy their bottom line as they mostly get money from donations and lawsuits against fossil fuel energy companies.
All those in favor of the 'pro-climate' policies have the same message, people have to consume less and change their way of living.QuoteLmfao this incompetent turd bucket. How will he turn this into him being a victim this time?The general consensus is that Mark Meadows flipped on him, who as Chief of Staff would've been responsible for this.
Trump seems to have wanted personal trinkets and souvenirs from his time at the White House to display and keep.
Considering the nature of classified information, that could've been literally anything. Those folders could've contained pictures of vehicles, transcripts of his meetings with Kim Jun Un, weather reports or flight plans.
99% of the items that get to the President's desk are probably classified in some form. Trump keeps saying it is his stuff so I expect it mostly has to do with things he was personally involved in and relate to things he has on display like foreign trips and the new Air Force One.
The fact that they returned expired passports is another sign that he was just hoarding stuff like he also did at Trump Tower.
The big question is if this is what his staff collected for him (which would make it difficult to claim espionage) or if he just randomly took stuff by himself not caring if it was classified or not or if he took certain items to sell or share.
Why does the every day person have to change our living and consumption when Taylor Swift puts out more emissions than any commoner combined and Hollywood elite can use up California's water at a surplus amid a drought? For a bunch of people that claim to talk about fighting against the 1% they sure do lick elitist boots that coincide with the powerfuls interests without pushing the elite to make these strides themselves in their overall consumption.
The every day person doesn't consume that much energy compared to the rich and famous. Why don't we start with those cunts? But nope,"we have to change" "please eat less meat".
https://twitter.com/BesDMarx/status/1553048359841169409
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1562511355885674503
Why is up to me to change? How about they fuck off?
And despite all of this hooplah now Germany and Europe sits at an energy crisis despite their green and forward living. Lul. There's not even any evidence that renewable has long term fruit or works nearly as well as fossil fuel.
Sounds like more forcing a narrative and type of living on the rest of us to me. Isn't it funny how only their solutions is the only solution?
https://youtu.be/N-yALPEpV4w
Post by: Nintex on September 03, 2022, 08:07:41 AM
From their perspective it makes sense because of goals they set for 2030 and 2050. In pursuit of those goals you should take action to make the world 'better'.
They don't see the current migration crisis as a crisis either, but more of a put up or shut up moment because their models predict that billions will have to move to other places because of global warming.
Europe shouldn't complain to take in ~10 million refugees, they should get used to it as 5 billion more are coming.
We joke about climate wars now but those could become a reality in the future. Ultimately they believe to be on a mission to save the planet.
I think their intentions aren't bad but I am against running society based on predictive models because those models are often wrong and focus on just one issue or scenario.
My view is that they are just one possible scenario and you can't predict the future like that and 100% prevent bad things from happening.
Post by: Himu on September 03, 2022, 10:54:49 AM
Post by: therealdeal on September 03, 2022, 11:04:49 AM
Post by: Himu on September 03, 2022, 11:20:09 AM
Da hell, thought we got 4 months off, smh
I don't know who you are or even acknowledge your existence so it's good to know you put that much thought into me. Rent free, baby. Hyuck.
Post by: therealdeal on September 03, 2022, 11:21:46 AM
Post by: Nintex on September 03, 2022, 06:25:27 PM
You ever notice the left calls the upper class the elite but most of the lefts agenda coincides with the elite? Or am I reading the room wrong? This isn't to say all of the elites have left viewpoints but overwhelmingly it seems to stick from climate change (particularly solutions to climate change) to LGBTQ politics.There's two different left wing movements though, you have the genuine left who sees the charade for what it is and the mainstream I suppose 'center' that consists of both left and right wing voices that simply repeat the same shit using the same words over and over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amsK9CUBsO0
Post by: Himu on September 03, 2022, 06:56:15 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 03, 2022, 07:01:21 PM
This was basically Biden's speech in a bid for reelection directly attacking Trump.
Or maybe they are trying to get Trump to announce his run so the Republicans don't have a chance to replace him.
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2022, 12:45:10 AM
Benji, what are your thoughts on progressives pushing their climate agenda and forcing renewables on everyone? Why do you think they believe only their solutions to climate change will work when they can could have invested in nuclear 30 years ago?I can't speak to the "normies" in the Democratic coalition as it doesn't make much sense and some of them whisper that they actually do support nuclear but "there's no support for it" because of the activists. The activists explanation, as much as I hate to say it, Nintex seems to have correct. They want degrowth, not abundant energy. Friends of the Earth, for example, calls nuclear a "false climate solution" on their website and seemingly wants all nuclear plants shut down:
"Here's a solution."
"No! It's not the one I like!"
Quote from: https://foe.org/projects/false-solutions/
Dirty, dangerous nukes have no role to play in a clean energy future. From start to finish, every segment of the nuclear industry is dangerous to communities and to future generations, from uranium mining to radioactive waste disposal — the most dangerous industrial byproduct in existence.
We are fighting to stop giant nuclear utilities from making electricity more expensive and slowing the deployment of cleaner, cheaper renewables.
Quote from: https://foe.org/projects/nuclear/?issue=5
For 40 years, Friends of the Earth has been a leading voice in the U.S. opposing nuclear reactors. We must move beyond this dangerous and dirty technology to the clean renewable energy and efficiency technologies of the 21st century.
Friends of the Earth’s nuclear campaign works to reduce risks for people and the environment by supporting efforts to close existing nuclear reactors and fighting proposals to design and build new ones.
The speech does signify that the White House doesn't think ... that the Republicans will pick Cheney as their candidate.Nobody sane thinks Liz Cheney would be the Republican candidate in 2024.
Post by: Himu on September 04, 2022, 07:33:39 AM
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-09-03/california-power-officials-flex-alert-shut-down-electric-grid
Benji, what are your thoughts on progressives pushing their climate agenda and forcing renewables on everyone? Why do you think they believe only their solutions to climate change will work when they can could have invested in nuclear 30 years ago?I can't speak to the "normies" in the Democratic coalition as it doesn't make much sense and some of them whisper that they actually do support nuclear but "there's no support for it" because of the activists. The activists explanation, as much as I hate to say it, Nintex seems to have correct. They want degrowth, not abundant energy. Friends of the Earth, for example, calls nuclear a "false climate solution" on their website and seemingly wants all nuclear plants shut down:
"Here's a solution."
"No! It's not the one I like!"Quote from: https://foe.org/projects/false-solutions/Dirty, dangerous nukes have no role to play in a clean energy future. From start to finish, every segment of the nuclear industry is dangerous to communities and to future generations, from uranium mining to radioactive waste disposal — the most dangerous industrial byproduct in existence.
We are fighting to stop giant nuclear utilities from making electricity more expensive and slowing the deployment of cleaner, cheaper renewables.Quote from: https://foe.org/projects/nuclear/?issue=5For 40 years, Friends of the Earth has been a leading voice in the U.S. opposing nuclear reactors. We must move beyond this dangerous and dirty technology to the clean renewable energy and efficiency technologies of the 21st century.
Friends of the Earth’s nuclear campaign works to reduce risks for people and the environment by supporting efforts to close existing nuclear reactors and fighting proposals to design and build new ones.The speech does signify that the White House doesn't think ... that the Republicans will pick Cheney as their candidate.Nobody sane thinks Liz Cheney would be the Republican candidate in 2024.
Is to be progressive to reject society no matter where it's going? Is this why progressivism is so reactionary?
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 04, 2022, 09:38:58 AM
:wut
Post by: Propagandhim on September 04, 2022, 10:05:43 AM
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2022, 10:43:34 AM
:wutI was going to ask if Joe Biden knew about this but after watching the clip I think it's a digression he's rambling onto after seeing whatever he's going to say about Zuckerberg and he's not actually saying this happened last week, he's saying "Mark Zuckerberg last week, [rambling digression], [then whatever he was supposed to be reading]" but I'd have to bother to try and look at the entire speech to know for sure. Rupar and some of these other Twitter guys do this constantly (Biden gets the same treatment from Republican accounts) and then it's just a meme forever repeated.
Post by: Himu on September 04, 2022, 12:34:30 PM
:wutI was going to ask if Joe Biden knew about this but after watching the clip I think it's a digression he's rambling onto after seeing whatever he's going to say about Zuckerberg and he's not actually saying this happened last week, he's saying "Mark Zuckerberg last week, [rambling digression], [then whatever he was supposed to be reading]" but I'd have to bother to try and look at the entire speech to know for sure. Rupar and some of these other Twitter guys do this constantly (Biden gets the same treatment from Republican accounts) and then it's just a meme forever repeated.
Yeah liberal media made Trump what he is. Literally. They'd say he made fun of a disabled reporter and you'd watch the clip and he really didn't in the way they said he did. This is how Trump got a cult surrounded by him - because it made him sympathetic. I'm going to watch the clips myself. LOL you have to be a complete idiot to trust what the liberal media and especially people like Rupar have to say about Trump. Republicans have only taken the liberal media's tactics and do it to Biden. What's funny is how they get triggered by it despite starting it first. :sabu
Gotta admit "china dust" is pretty funny. I'm less sympathetic towards Trump China attacks these days because fuck China. I don't think he specifically says "Chinese people" which is what liberals lose their minds over and assume that's what he's doing. He just focuses on China as a nation.
Post by: Nintex on September 04, 2022, 12:46:53 PM
Last nights rally was 90% improv in that sense.
It's usually just certain words that trigger him, like when it's about corruption he throws in the Lock Her Up routine, when it's about migration he starts talking about the wall. Anything with the military or the wars usually gets him into a "sir" story. Climate and energy triggers the dead birds and wind turbines. He mostly does it when he notices the crowd is not responding to the prepared speech. As far as his mental state goes, he recalled the UN speech and the German response as well as his talks with Merkel and Xi.
He's also able to throw in new subjects like woke culture, mileage on electric cars and women sports as well as the FBI raid. I feel that is the biggest tell that he doesn't have dementia, because it would be fairly easy to learn a routine: wall, clinton, oil or whatever but very difficult to mix in new subjects, jokes and interact with the crowd. Especially the last part is something that not even all the big comedians can do very well. Most of them can only focus on 1 or 2 things at the same time. This is also his achilles heel though, like yesterday when he said: "[...] but we had to make your gas a bit more expensive so the oil companies could make a few bucks, right?".
With Biden it's different, sometimes he just 'switches off' and looks confused or even scared.
Unlike Trump he also brings up stuff that has no relation to the topic at hand. He weirdly repeats things and when asked about the things he just spoke about, he usually says the opposite.
He gave a speech about how Trump and MAGA Republicans were a threat to democracy and a day later he says that no Republican is a threat and he never said they were.
I'm not sure what the problem is but it's not just the stuttering.
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 04, 2022, 01:17:40 PM
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1566426403985293312
:fbm
Post by: BIONIC on September 04, 2022, 01:25:27 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I’m going to hell
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Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 04, 2022, 01:30:15 PM
"From Bed, Bath and Beyond to just Beyond."
Post by: Himu on September 04, 2022, 01:37:07 PM
Yep, Trump says 3 words of his teleprompter speech than he goes off script and returns back to his speech.
Last nights rally was 90% improv in that sense.
It's usually just certain words that trigger him, like when it's about corruption he throws in the Lock Her Up routine, when it's about migration he starts talking about the wall. Anything with the military or the wars usually gets him into a "sir" story. Climate and energy triggers the dead birds and wind turbines. He mostly does it when he notices the crowd is not responding to the prepared speech. As far as his mental state goes, he recalled the UN speech and the German response as well as his talks with Merkel and Xi.
He's also able to throw in new subjects like woke culture, mileage on electric cars and women sports as well as the FBI raid. I feel that is the biggest tell that he doesn't have dementia, because it would be fairly easy to learn a routine: wall, clinton, oil or whatever but very difficult to mix in new subjects, jokes and interact with the crowd. Especially the last part is something that not even all the big comedians can do very well. Most of them can only focus on 1 or 2 things at the same time. This is also his achilles heel though, like yesterday when he said: "[...] but we had to make your gas a bit more expensive so the oil companies could make a few bucks, right?".
With Biden it's different, sometimes he just 'switches off' and looks confused or even scared.
Unlike Trump he also brings up stuff that has no relation to the topic at hand. He weirdly repeats things and when asked about the things he just spoke about, he usually says the opposite.
He gave a speech about how Trump and MAGA Republicans were a threat to democracy and a day later he says that no Republican is a threat and he never said they were.
I'm not sure what the problem is but it's not just the stuttering.
While reading this I remembered that no matter what you think of him that you have to admire Trump's ability to entertain. He's a funny guy. I also considered what the timeline would be like if Trump ran for the Democratic Party instead of Republican and attacked the Republicans the way he does the Democrats. Do you think liberals would be on board?
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 04, 2022, 01:46:53 PM
I also considered what the timeline would be like if Trump ran for the Democratic Party instead of Republican and attacked the Republicans the way he does the Democrats. Do you think liberals would be on board?
His message would have been different, but yes. There are bad people regardless of party. Party is just a means to an end for some.
Post by: Nintex on September 04, 2022, 03:11:21 PM
Not everyone is sure it is her but the resemblance is uncanny
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1566165634676842503 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1566165634676842503)
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2022, 03:56:41 PM
With Biden it's different, sometimes he just 'switches off' and looks confused or even scared.lol wat
Unlike Trump he also brings up stuff that has no relation to the topic at hand. He weirdly repeats things and when asked about the things he just spoke about, he usually says the opposite.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 04, 2022, 06:39:08 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 04, 2022, 06:52:25 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 05, 2022, 01:35:47 PM
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1566826339637891075 (https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1566826339637891075)
(de)fund the police? :dizzy
https://twitter.com/svdate/status/1566755469909262337 (https://twitter.com/svdate/status/1566755469909262337)
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on September 05, 2022, 04:21:21 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 05, 2022, 05:52:25 PM
Looks like Donnie is getting out of this jam
Suck it deep-state globalists!
Post by: Himu on September 05, 2022, 06:04:55 PM
Looks like Donnie is getting out of this jam
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1566826339637891075 (https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1566826339637891075)
(de)fund the police? :dizzy
https://twitter.com/svdate/status/1566755469909262337 (https://twitter.com/svdate/status/1566755469909262337)
:lol This is why I'm so apathetic to all this stuff with The Don. Nothing ever touches him! :lol
"We got him this time!" literally since 2016. :rofl
Post by: benjipwns on September 05, 2022, 08:38:09 PM
is judge cannon related to nick cannon?Mmm some good ones coming out of this:
https://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes/status/1566879994906755072
https://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes/status/1566930695670435847
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fb6u_37XkAEw3RY?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: benjipwns on September 05, 2022, 09:22:04 PM
The whole thing will come crashing down in November unless Trump can convince enough people to vote for the likes of Dr. Oz
Quote from: https://www.wibc.com/kendall-and-casey/dr-oz-revives-passenger-on-flight/
DR. OZ REVIVES PASSENGER ON FLIGHT
Pennsylvania GOP Senate candidate Dr. Mehmet Oz helped revive a 27 year old male passenger who collapsed on an American Airlines flight from Louisville to Philadelphia Saturday morning.
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“When I got to him, he was conscious but disoriented,” the cardiothoracic surgeon continued. “I asked the stewardesses to come help and get me something with sugar in it.”Thank you for your service, Dr. Oz. :american
The flight attendants brought Oz some soda for the passenger. The passenger remained seated on the ground for 10 minutes while he drank more fluids.
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Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 05, 2022, 09:31:36 PM
The whole thing will come crashing down in November unless Trump can convince enough people to vote for the likes of Dr. OzQuote from: https://www.wibc.com/kendall-and-casey/dr-oz-revives-passenger-on-flight/DR. OZ REVIVES PASSENGER ON FLIGHT
Pennsylvania GOP Senate candidate Dr. Mehmet Oz helped revive a 27 year old male passenger who collapsed on an American Airlines flight from Louisville to Philadelphia Saturday morning.spoiler (click to show/hide)Quote“When I got to him, he was conscious but disoriented,” the cardiothoracic surgeon continued. “I asked the stewardesses to come help and get me something with sugar in it.”Thank you for your service, Dr. Oz. :american
The flight attendants brought Oz some soda for the passenger. The passenger remained seated on the ground for 10 minutes while he drank more fluids.[close]
Do this twice a week, every week until polling improves. It would be ideal if one or more of the "survivors" had a previous stroke.
Post by: Potato on September 05, 2022, 10:46:07 PM
Good work! Obviously needed a doctor to solve that problem, huh?
Post by: Nintex on September 06, 2022, 02:51:41 PM
You used a milquetoast UN resolution to murder Gadaffi Hilldawg and wanted to Drone Assange in London.
You certainly considered droning Trump.
https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1567194895936327681 (https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1567194895936327681)
Fact check: They didn't offer MyPillow discounts while saying the election was stolen
The Democrats could lose PA because they've found someone less fit to serve than Oz, a guy not recovered from a stroke.
https://twitter.com/JoshKraushaar/status/1567146729677459457 (https://twitter.com/JoshKraushaar/status/1567146729677459457)
Post by: Potato on September 06, 2022, 04:31:43 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on September 06, 2022, 08:50:53 PM
:drudge
Post by: benjipwns on September 06, 2022, 08:54:58 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 06, 2022, 09:15:50 PM
Post by: BIONIC on September 06, 2022, 09:19:07 PM
Post by: Himu on September 06, 2022, 09:57:00 PM
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1567313856535347200
:drudge
:lol Nuclear Don
You fuck
Post by: james on September 06, 2022, 10:14:23 PM
Post by: BIONIC on September 06, 2022, 10:22:30 PM
Finally we will know the full extent of the Israeli arsenal
team filler likes this
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why has he forsaken us?:goty
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Post by: benjipwns on September 06, 2022, 10:31:04 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2022, 02:48:56 AM
Wait until we find out that Russia infiltrated the Lago not to steal but protect their information :trumps
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 07, 2022, 08:05:37 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/06/trump-nuclear-documents/
Material on foreign nation’s nuclear capabilities seized at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago
Some seized documents were so closely held, only the president, a Cabinet-level or near-Cabinet level official could authorize others to know
Devlin Barrett
Pages from an FBI property list of items seized from former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate and made public by the Department of Justice. FBI agents who searched the home found empty folders marked with classified banners. The inventory reveals in general terms the contents of the 33 boxes taken during the Aug. 8 search. (Jon Elswick/AP)
Pages from an FBI property list of items seized from former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate and made public by the Department of Justice. FBI agents who searched the home found empty folders marked with classified banners. The inventory reveals in general terms the contents of the 33 boxes taken during the Aug. 8 search. (Jon Elswick/AP)
A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club last month, according to people familiar with the matter, underscoring concerns among U.S. intelligence officials about classified material stashed in the Florida property.
Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs, according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation.
Documents about such highly classified operations require special clearances on a need-to-know basis, not just top-secret clearance. Some special-access programs can have as few as a couple dozen government personnel authorized to know of an operation’s existence. Records that deal with such programs are kept under lock and key, almost always in a secure compartmented information facility, with a designated control officer to keep careful tabs on their location.
But such documents were stored at Mar-a-Lago, with uncertain security, more than 18 months after Trump left the White House.
Deep inside busy Mar-a-Lago, a storage room where secrets were kept
After months of trying, according to government court filings, the FBI has recovered more than 300 classified documents from Mar-a-Lago this year: 184 in a set of 15 boxes sent to the National Archives and Records Administration in January, 38 more handed over by a Trump lawyer to investigators in June, and more than 100 additional documents unearthed in a court-approved search on Aug. 8.
National correspondent Philip Bump explains what we can learn from a Justice Department photograph related to the FBI's search of Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort. (Video: Casey Silvestri/The Washington Post)
It was in this last batch of government secrets, the people familiar with the matter said, that the information about a foreign government’s nuclear-defense readiness was found. These people did not identify the foreign government in question, say where at Mar-a-Lago the document was found or offer additional details about one of the Justice Department’s most sensitive national security investigations.
Christopher Kise, a lawyer for Trump, decried leaks about the case, which he said “continue with no respect for the process nor any regard for the real truth. This does not serve well the interests of justice.”
“Moreover, the damage to public confidence in the integrity of the system simply cannot be underestimated. The responsible course of action here would be for someone — anyone — in the Government to exercise leadership and control. The Court has provided a sensible path forward which does not include the selective leak of unverifiable and misleading information. There is no reason to deviate from that path if the goal is, as it should be, to find a rational solution to document storage issues which have needlessly spiraled out of control.”
Spokespeople for the Justice Department and FBI declined to comment.
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence is conducting a risk assessment, to determine how much potential harm was posed by the removal from government custody of hundreds of classified documents.
Trump and the Mar-a-Lago documents: A timeline
The Washington Post previously reported that FBI agents who searched Trump’s home were looking, in part, for any classified documents relating to nuclear weapons. After that story published, Trump compared it on social media to a host of previous government investigations into his conduct. “Nuclear weapons issue is a Hoax, just like Russia, Russia, Russia was a Hoax, two Impeachments were a Hoax, the Mueller investigation was a Hoax, and much more. Same sleazy people involved,” he wrote, going on to suggest that FBI agents might have planted evidence against him.
A grand jury subpoena issued May 11 demanded the return of “all documents or writings in the custody or control of Donald J. Trump and/or the Office of Donald J. Trump bearing classification markings,” including “Top Secret,” and the lesser categories of “Secret” and “Confidential.”
The subpoena, issued to Trump’s custodian of records, then listed more than two dozen sub-classifications of documents, including “S/FRD,” an acronym for “Formerly Restricted Data,” which is reserved for information that relates primarily to the military use of nuclear weapons. Despite the “formerly” in the title, the term does not mean the information is no longer classified.
One person familiar with the Mar-a-Lago search said the goal of the comprehensive list was to ensure recovery of all classified records on the property, and not just those that investigators had reason to believe might be there.
Investigators grew alarmed, according to one person familiar with the search, as they began to review documents retrieved from the club’s storage closet, Trump’s residence and his office in August. The team soon came upon records that are extremely restricted, so much so that even some of the senior-most national security officials in the Biden administration weren’t authorized to review them. One government filing alluded to this information when it noted that counterintelligence FBI agents and prosecutors investigating the Mar-a-Lago documents were not authorized at first to review some of the material seized.
FBI's Mar-a-Lago search followed months of resistance, delay by Trump
Among the 100-plus classified documents taken in August, some were marked “HCS,” a category of highly classified government information that refers to “HUMINT Control Systems,” which are systems used to protect intelligence gathered from secret human sources, according to a court filing. A partially unsealed affidavit said documents found in the boxes that were sent to the National Archives in January related to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. There was also material that was never meant to be shared with foreign nations.
The investigation into possible mishandling of classified information, as well as possible hiding, tampering or destruction of government records, grew even more complex Monday when a federal judge in Florida granted Trump’s request to appoint a special master to review the material seized in the Aug. 8 search and weed out documents that may be covered by executive privilege — a legal standard that, as applied to former presidents, is poorly defined.
U.S. District Court Judge Aileen M. Cannon ruled the special master also will sift through all of the nearly 13,000 documents and items the FBI took to identify any that might be protected by attorney-client privilege, even though Justice Department lawyers have said a “filter” team has already completed that task.
The Post's Perry Stein explains how a special master will identify if any documents seized by the FBI are protected by attorney-client or executive privilege. (Video: The Washington Post)
Cannon’s ruling could slow down and complicate the government’s criminal probe, particularly if the Justice Department decides to appeal over the unsettled and tricky questions of what executive privilege a former president may have. The judge ruled that investigators cannot “use” the seized material in their investigation until the special master concludes his or her examination.
A special master has yet to be appointed; Cannon has asked Trump and the Justice Department to agree on a list of qualified candidates by Friday. Legal experts noted that the Justice Department can still interview witnesses, use other evidence and present information to a grand jury while the special master examines the seized material.
In her order, Cannon said the appointment of a special master was necessary “to ensure at least the appearance of fairness and integrity under the extraordinary circumstances presented.”
Justice Dept. filing points to new legal peril for Trump, his lawyers
She also reasoned that a special master could mitigate potential harm to Trump “by way of improper disclosure of sensitive information to the public,” suggesting that knowledge or details of the case were harmful to the former president, and could be lessened by inserting a special master into the document-review process.
Kise, the Trump lawyer, cited that part of the judge’s reasoning Tuesday night, saying “the damage to public confidence in the integrity of the system simply cannot be underestimated.” He said the special master appointment by the court provides “a sensible path forward which does not include the selective leak of unverifiable and misleading information. There is no reason to deviate from that path if the goal is, as it should be, to find a rational solution to document storage issues which have needlessly spiraled out of control.”
Cannon wrote that Trump’s position as a former president means “the stigma associated with the subject seizure is in a league of its own,” and that a “future indictment, based to any degree on property that ought to be returned, would result in reputational harm of a decidedly different order of magnitude.”
While the FBI search has drawn strong condemnation from Trump and his Republican allies, who accuse the Justice Department of acting with political malice against a past president who may seek the office again in 2024, some Republicans have said the action might have been necessary.
In an interview that aired Friday, former Trump attorney general William P. Barr said there is no reason classified documents should have been at Mar-a-Lago after Trump was out of office.
“People say this was unprecedented,” Barr told Fox News. “But it’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club, okay?”
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2022, 09:06:20 AM
How does the Wapo know? The integrity of the FBI is without question.
Wait until we find out that Russia infiltrated the Lago not to steal but protect their information :trumps
It's WaPo so best not to take them seriously because of many dubious sources. Unless they provide an actual source, don't trust em.
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 07, 2022, 09:11:56 AM
Post by: james on September 07, 2022, 10:15:35 AM
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2022, 01:53:51 PM
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people familiar with the search:snob
Post by: james on September 07, 2022, 02:07:59 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 07, 2022, 03:07:22 PM
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2022, 03:18:58 PM
Quotepeople familiar with the search:snob
See? WaPo is trash. They continuously make large claims without actually sourcing. Just "anonymous source" and "people familiar with the search". It's so trashy and unprofessional.
Can we please ban using WaPo as a source of news? They trigger me such much. There's so many better options. WSJ, Politico, AP, Reuters, fuck even NYT.
Post by: Occam on September 07, 2022, 03:45:54 PM
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2022, 03:48:35 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2022, 03:53:11 PM
Crazy how Trump has full control of the military and has executed every Democrat and RINO at least twice, but yet the Deep State just keeps getting away with it.Wait, are you saying this isn't all part of The Plan, Joe?
Post by: Occam on September 07, 2022, 04:03:02 PM
It's apt that Colbert's desk for the Late Show is shaped like a C, for he truly is cringe.
I take it yours would be shaped like a pretzel, to reflect the shape of your brain?
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 07, 2022, 04:04:40 PM
It's apt that Colbert's desk for the Late Show is shaped like a C, for he truly is cringe.
His desk was shaped like a C at Comedy Central 15 years ago too. You just noticed?
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2022, 04:11:08 PM
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2022, 04:13:16 PM
It's apt that Colbert's desk for the Late Show is shaped like a C, for he truly is cringe.
His desk was shaped like a C at Comedy Central 15 years ago too. You just noticed?
Nah just joking.
It's apt that Colbert's desk for the Late Show is shaped like a C, for he truly is cringe.
I take it yours would be shaped like a pretzel, to reflect the shape of your brain?
I'm not the one posting Late Show links.
Post by: Occam on September 07, 2022, 04:49:23 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2022, 04:51:08 PM
Not all heroes wear capes :salute
It takes him about 7 minutes before he brings up Iran :lol
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2022, 04:51:47 PM
No, you are the one wearing a MAGA hat.
:yeshrug Are you going to put me in jail for it? Knowing you, you'd like that.
Post by: Occam on September 07, 2022, 04:54:08 PM
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2022, 04:55:18 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2022, 05:02:03 PM
:obama
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2022, 05:17:01 PM
No, I wish for you to get everything you'll be voting for in the next election.You will not get your wish, Hochul will probably win by 25 or something.
Post by: Occam on September 07, 2022, 05:47:57 PM
Well, I guess he could always move to Texas, seems like a better fit anyway.
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2022, 06:06:05 PM
Not enough pretzel-brains in New York.
Well, I guess he could always move to Texas, seems like a better fit anyway.
I have spoken out against Texas abortion law many times. :)
Again, I do not appeal to the opinions of a non-American and I do not give a damn what a non-American thinks whom I, or my neighbor, should vote for. None of us care about your country's politics. We will follow it maybe, but not get invested the way you are in ours. Maybe you should learn to follow our example.
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on September 07, 2022, 06:19:35 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1567326046650761217
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2022, 06:24:40 PM
Post by: Occam on September 07, 2022, 06:30:03 PM
https://www.axios.com/2022/09/07/court-hiv-prep-requirement-aca-truvada
"A federal judge in Texas on Wednesday ruled that the government cannot require a Christian-owned company to cover HIV preventative medication because it violates their religious rights under federal law.
Why it matters: HIV PrEP — which is more than 90% effective in preventing the transmission of HIV — is recommended for adults who are at high risk of getting HIV, which includes men who have sex with other men."
(Note to pretzel-brains: brought to you by the people you keep voting for)
Post by: Potato on September 07, 2022, 06:36:14 PM
We're only interested in American politics because American politicians keep invading other countries and doing shit that destabilises the world. The stupidity of the American electorate affects all of us.Not enough pretzel-brains in New York.
Well, I guess he could always move to Texas, seems like a better fit anyway.
I have spoken out against Texas abortion law many times. :)
Again, I do not appeal to the opinions of a non-American and I do not give a damn what a non-American thinks whom I, or my neighbor, should vote for. None of us care about your country's politics. We will follow it maybe, but not get invested the way you are in ours. Maybe you should learn to follow our example.
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2022, 06:38:27 PM
We're only interested in American politics because American politicians keep invading other countries and doing shit that destabilises the world. The stupidity of the American electorate affects all of us.Name one example. I'll wait. :bolo
Post by: Potato on September 07, 2022, 06:41:07 PM
Just one?We're only interested in American politics because American politicians keep invading other countries and doing shit that destabilises the world. The stupidity of the American electorate affects all of us.Name one example. I'll wait. :bolo
Post by: Occam on September 07, 2022, 06:42:48 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2022, 06:43:35 PM
American idiocy absolutely absolutely affects the rest of the planet. One example: Global warming.I like how this one works for both sides of the argument.
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2022, 06:49:41 PM
Just one?I notice you didn't actually name one. :smug
:american USA USA USA USA :american
Post by: Potato on September 07, 2022, 06:58:20 PM
I mean, I can name two from the same family that invaded the same country...Just one?I notice you didn't actually name one. :smug
:american USA USA USA USA :american
:usacry :usacry :usacry :nothing :nothing :nothing
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2022, 07:29:00 PM
I mean, I can name two from the same family that invaded the same country...All I remember is Kuwait liberated from the guy who did 9/11 and then Iraq liberated from the guy who did 9/11? ???
:usacry :usacry :usacry :nothing :nothing :nothing
Post by: Potato on September 07, 2022, 07:35:14 PM
I mean, I can name two from the same family that invaded the same country...All I see is Kuwait liberated and then Iraq liberated? ???
:usacry :usacry :usacry :nothing :nothing :nothing
If Vietnam and Afghanistan had any brains they would welcome being re-liberated by Americans after un-liberating themselves.
:morans
But, you know, if us foreigners knew what was good for us, we would stop having opinions about American politics...
I mean, I can name two from the same family that invaded the same country...All I remember is Kuwait liberated from the guy who did 9/11 and then Iraq liberated from the guy who did 9/11? ???
:usacry :usacry :usacry :nothing :nothing :nothing
EDIT: I see your historical revisionism yank!!!!
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2022, 07:40:56 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on September 07, 2022, 09:52:47 PM
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1567577090811215875 (https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1567577090811215875)
:obama
,my nig...president
Post by: BIONIC on September 07, 2022, 09:58:27 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2022, 12:00:40 AM
Not enough pretzel-brains in New York.Himu's required by the terms of his settlement agreement to align with the political minority wherever he moves to. It'd just be socialist in Texas -> potential MAGA in NYC -> socialist in Texas again. If he goes to West Virginia he has to become a #ResistLib Hillary deadender or join #KHive. If he goes to Wyoming he has to become Liz Cheney or join #KHive.
Well, I guess he could always move to Texas, seems like a better fit anyway.
Post by: james on September 08, 2022, 12:28:24 AM
She's going to regret saying that when Biden chokes on a pretzel.
True story: I got a permanent ban from r/politics a few years go (like 2017?) for commenting that I wished Trump would eat more pretzels.
Post by: BIONIC on September 08, 2022, 07:46:19 AM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2022, 01:26:14 PM
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1567313856535347200I'd bet money it's Israel or France. There's zero logical reason for him to have these documents, and clearly somebody is going to jail. Probably the attorney who was dumb enough to sign a written statement that MAL had returned all the classified/top secret docs.
:drudge
Post by: Nintex on September 08, 2022, 03:02:00 PM
Sloppy Steve
Post by: Nintex on September 08, 2022, 04:56:18 PM
Chad Kyle
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2022, 05:54:02 PM
:lol
Nightmare scenario for republicans. Might as well chalk Whitmer in for re-election, and dems likely re-take the senate and house here.
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2022, 07:25:48 PM
https://twitter.com/OliviaRubinABC/status/1567939525602844672 (https://twitter.com/OliviaRubinABC/status/1567939525602844672)He knows they want him to speak right?
Sloppy Steve
and dems likely re-take the senate and house here.With those maps?
Post by: Himu on September 09, 2022, 08:17:00 AM
Not enough pretzel-brains in New York.Himu's required by the terms of his settlement agreement to align with the political minority wherever he moves to. It'd just be socialist in Texas -> potential MAGA in NYC -> socialist in Texas again. If he goes to West Virginia he has to become a #ResistLib Hillary deadender or join #KHive. If he goes to Wyoming he has to become Liz Cheney or join #KHive.
Well, I guess he could always move to Texas, seems like a better fit anyway.
I've left New York and I'm currently in Texas. I'm not socialist by a damn sight, though I do find Texas conservatives too much. It makes sense why I never really considered conservative viewpoints because I was so used to Texas Republicans. I still support Republicans but do think Texas GOP are a bit much. They're like the equivalent of California or NYC progressives but the opposite extreme.
I prefer the Midwest, honestly, and as PD knows I was in Michigan. Unfortunately family duties called me back to Texas. Every single ban this past summer happened when I was in the Lonestar state or Great Lakes. So there goes your theory.
Post by: Himu on September 09, 2022, 08:46:51 AM
https://twitter.com/Local4News/status/1567985155045736450
:lol
Nightmare scenario for republicans. Might as well chalk Whitmer in for re-election, and dems likely re-take the senate and house here.
Whitmer is going to win.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on September 09, 2022, 10:52:31 AM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 09, 2022, 11:21:10 AM
is she dead yet?
Nah, Hilldawg is still out there somewhere, acid-washing emails.
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 09, 2022, 09:12:02 PM
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Stephen Miller, a senior policy adviser, and Brian Jack, who served as White House political director, are among those who received requests for information this week from a federal grand jury.
The Justice Department has subpoenaed two former top White House political advisers under President Donald J. Trump as part of a widening investigation related to Mr. Trump’s post-election fund-raising and plans for so-called fake electors, according to people briefed on the matter.
Brian Jack, the final White House political director under Mr. Trump, and Stephen Miller, Mr. Trump’s top speechwriter and a senior policy adviser, were among more than a dozen people connected to the former president to receive subpoenas from a federal grand jury this week.
The subpoenas seek information in connection with the Save America political action committee and the plan to submit slates of electors pledged to Mr. Trump from swing states that were won by Joseph R. Biden Jr. in the 2020 election. Mr. Trump and his allies promoted the idea that competing slates of electors would justify blocking or delaying certification of Mr. Biden’s Electoral College win during a joint session of Congress on Jan. 6, 2021.
A lawyer for Mr. Miller declined to comment. Mr. Jack, who remains an adviser to Mr. Trump as well as to Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the House Republican leader, and several other House Republicans, declined to comment.
A subpoena does not indicate someone is under investigation, but the Justice Department may send one to people from whom it is seeking information.
Key Revelations From the Jan. 6 Hearings
Making a case against Trump. The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack is laying out a comprehensive narrative of President Donald J. Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Here are the main themes that have emerged so far from eight public hearings:
The subpoenas were issued to a wide range of people who either worked in the White House or on the Trump campaign, including senior officials like the campaign’s chief financial officer; personal aides to Mr. Trump; and the former chief of staff to Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter who also served as one of his senior advisers.
The Save America PAC was formed soon after Election Day in 2020, as Mr. Trump aggressively raised money on his baseless claims of an election “stolen” through widespread voting fraud.
Among the recipients of subpoenas from a grand jury sitting in Washington are relatively junior aides from the White House and Mr. Trump’s 2020 campaign. While the subpoenas asked for information concerning the Save America PAC, they also sought communications with several pro-Trump lawyers — like Kenneth Chesebro — who helped devise the electors plan.
Numerous subpoenas focused solely on the fake elector plan were sent to Republican state lawmakers and state Republican officials allied with Mr. Trump starting this spring. Those subpoenas were signed Thomas P. Windom, a veteran federal prosecutor, who has been leading the inquiry into the scheme.
At least one of the new subpoenas bore the name of a veteran fraud prosecutor, and still another had the name of a third federal prosecutor, Mary L. Dohrmann, who has been working in recent months with Mr. Windom.
Last month, for example, both Mr. Windom and Ms. Dohrmann filed appearances in a case brought by the lawyer John Eastman, one of the architects of fake elector scheme, who is seeking the return of a cellphone seized from him by federal agents in June.
Mr. Jack’s role in the White House was generally confined to advising Mr. Trump on races further down the ballot. He has not been paid by Save America.
Mr. Miller has been paid by Save America since leaving the White House, but he is not known to have had a planning role in the electors scheme or the fund-raising efforts, although he did discuss electors on television.
On Dec. 14, 2020 — the day the Electoral College met to cast its votes for president — Mr. Miller appeared on Fox News and announced that state lawmakers in several key swing states were in the process of sending “an alternate slate of electors” to Congress.
The Justice Department has subpoenaed two former top White House political advisers under President Donald J. Trump as part of a widening investigation related to Mr. Trump’s post-election fund-raising and plans for so-called fake electors, according to people briefed on the matter.
Brian Jack, the final White House political director under Mr. Trump, and Stephen Miller, Mr. Trump’s top speechwriter and a senior policy adviser, were among more than a dozen people connected to the former president to receive subpoenas from a federal grand jury this week.
The subpoenas seek information in connection with the Save America political action committee and the plan to submit slates of electors pledged to Mr. Trump from swing states that were won by Joseph R. Biden Jr. in the 2020 election. Mr. Trump and his allies promoted the idea that competing slates of electors would justify blocking or delaying certification of Mr. Biden’s Electoral College win during a joint session of Congress on Jan. 6, 2021.
A lawyer for Mr. Miller declined to comment. Mr. Jack, who remains an adviser to Mr. Trump as well as to Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the House Republican leader, and several other House Republicans, declined to comment.
A subpoena does not indicate someone is under investigation, but the Justice Department may send one to people from whom it is seeking information.
Key Revelations From the Jan. 6 Hearings
Making a case against Trump. The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack is laying out a comprehensive narrative of President Donald J. Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Here are the main themes that have emerged so far from eight public hearings:
The subpoenas were issued to a wide range of people who either worked in the White House or on the Trump campaign, including senior officials like the campaign’s chief financial officer; personal aides to Mr. Trump; and the former chief of staff to Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter who also served as one of his senior advisers.
The Save America PAC was formed soon after Election Day in 2020, as Mr. Trump aggressively raised money on his baseless claims of an election “stolen” through widespread voting fraud.
Among the recipients of subpoenas from a grand jury sitting in Washington are relatively junior aides from the White House and Mr. Trump’s 2020 campaign. While the subpoenas asked for information concerning the Save America PAC, they also sought communications with several pro-Trump lawyers — like Kenneth Chesebro — who helped devise the electors plan.
Numerous subpoenas focused solely on the fake elector plan were sent to Republican state lawmakers and state Republican officials allied with Mr. Trump starting this spring. Those subpoenas were signed Thomas P. Windom, a veteran federal prosecutor, who has been leading the inquiry into the scheme.
At least one of the new subpoenas bore the name of a veteran fraud prosecutor, and still another had the name of a third federal prosecutor, Mary L. Dohrmann, who has been working in recent months with Mr. Windom.
Last month, for example, both Mr. Windom and Ms. Dohrmann filed appearances in a case brought by the lawyer John Eastman, one of the architects of fake elector scheme, who is seeking the return of a cellphone seized from him by federal agents in June.
Mr. Jack’s role in the White House was generally confined to advising Mr. Trump on races further down the ballot. He has not been paid by Save America.
Mr. Miller has been paid by Save America since leaving the White House, but he is not known to have had a planning role in the electors scheme or the fund-raising efforts, although he did discuss electors on television.
On Dec. 14, 2020 — the day the Electoral College met to cast its votes for president — Mr. Miller appeared on Fox News and announced that state lawmakers in several key swing states were in the process of sending “an alternate slate of electors” to Congress.
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Post by: Himu on September 10, 2022, 12:03:13 PM
::)
> Be American
> Have non-American opinions constantly judging you
> Meanwhile non-American "allies", the very people with snooty noses turned up, begs for your artillery and might
> Filthy Yuros realize that it's American power and might that allows them to live so well
> Still have to give stuff and stomach groveling - and yet somehow still arrogant - cunts taking my tax dollars
Get fucked. Thankfully there's country's out there grateful for America like Poland.
Post by: Occam on September 10, 2022, 01:35:01 PM
Post by: Potato on September 10, 2022, 02:21:30 PM
Post by: Uncle on September 10, 2022, 03:35:40 PM
How long did it take the US to join both world wars again?
I thought one of the US's biggest problems was rushing to intervene militarily in others' affairs without at least a proper assessment of the situation?
Post by: Potato on September 10, 2022, 03:44:00 PM
Nazis running riot around the world wasn't enough evidence that maybe they were the baddies?How long did it take the US to join both world wars again?
I thought one of the US's biggest problems was rushing to intervene militarily in others' affairs without at least a proper assessment of the situation?
Seems much more clear cut than some Vietnamese farmers wanting self-determination after decades of colonial rule
Post by: Nintex on September 10, 2022, 06:08:41 PM
The early stages of World War II was kind of confusing and not at all clear cut 'good vs. evil' as it was after the invasion of the USSR. England had sort of fueled the flames of the Poland/German conflict by telling the Poles not to negotiate and Russia had an alliance and understanding with Germany to carve it up in 2 zones. Most countries in western Europe remained Neutral but Germany feared the Brits would be able to built bases and send their navy there to blockade Germany as they had in WW1 and thus conquered the Nordic and low countries before England could. Like in Germany before it, a 'civilized' Nazi take-over was still seen as less of a threat than communism in most countries. Even before the war there were many German collaborators in countries like France and Holland including politicians, industrialists and members of the royal family. Up until the war broke out Jews that had fled Germany were rounded up in Holland and send back. The Queen had ordered a concentration camp to be built before the Germans invaded.Nazis running riot around the world wasn't enough evidence that maybe they were the baddies?How long did it take the US to join both world wars again?
I thought one of the US's biggest problems was rushing to intervene militarily in others' affairs without at least a proper assessment of the situation?
Seems much more clear cut than some Vietnamese farmers wanting self-determination after decades of colonial rule
When the Germans attacked Poland, the English did little to stop it. The French launched an 'invasion' into Germany but then retreated.
The anti-Nazi coalition didn't take shape until the British Empire decided against an armistice and instead fought on alone against Germany after the French were defeated.
As the English grew desperate and started to lose the air war because Germany had almost taken out most of their airfields, they started to attack German cities.
This prompted the Luftwaffe to stop attacking British airfields and instead they launched retaliation raids on London and other cities. Giving the brits time to rebuild their airfields.
Germany bombing innocent English speaking peoples really hit home in the US, even more so when German U-Boats attacked US ships. Those attacks made the US decide to help England and later the Soviet Union with supplies and other military aid.
In that already tense situation the Japanese launched the attack on Pearl Harbor. Even at that point the US didn't want to declare war on Germany as it would divert resources from their war against Japan.
It was Hitler who decided to declare war on the US after the US declared war on Japan, perhaps hoping that the Japanese would also declare war on the Soviet Union in return.
During the war the US military leadership was always fed up with Churchill, who kept pushing Roosevelt to help in Africa, Europe and other places while they wanted to win the war in the Pacific first.
Churchill had always hyped up the evil barbarism of Nazi Germany but even he couldn't imagine what they would actually find after the war.
People sometimes blame the US for joining late but I don't think that is fair considering many in Europe also didn't realize how evil the Nazi's were until they attacked the USSR and got the Holocaust into gear.
Post by: benjipwns on September 10, 2022, 07:05:12 PM
I've left New York and I'm currently in Texas. I'm not socialist by a damn sight, though I do find Texas conservatives too much. It makes sense why I never really considered conservative viewpoints because I was so used to Texas Republicans. I still support Republicans but do think Texas GOP are a bit much. They're like the equivalent of California or NYC progressives but the opposite extreme.You can't discredit my truth with your petty facts.
I prefer the Midwest, honestly, and as PD knows I was in Michigan. Unfortunately family duties called me back to Texas. Every single ban this past summer happened when I was in the Lonestar state or Great Lakes. So there goes your theory.
Post by: benjipwns on September 10, 2022, 07:10:20 PM
How long did it take the US to join both world wars again?Should have never joined the first one and supplied the Allies in the second one from 1939.
Germany bombing innocent English speaking peoples really hit home in the US, even more so when German U-Boats attacked US ships. Those attacks made the US decide to help England and later the Soviet Union with supplies and other military aid.You're acting like the United States' refusal to declare war on a country that didn't attack it was this bold holding off on principle about diverting resources when Hitler declared war four days later. :lol
In that already tense situation the Japanese launched the attack on Pearl Harbor. Even at that point the US didn't want to declare war on Germany as it would divert resources from their war against Japan.
It was Hitler who decided to declare war on the US after the US declared war on Japan, perhaps hoping that the Japanese would also declare war on the Soviet Union in return.
There simply wasn't a strategic case for moving into Europe until 1943.
Post by: Himu on September 10, 2022, 07:28:09 PM
I've left New York and I'm currently in Texas. I'm not socialist by a damn sight, though I do find Texas conservatives too much. It makes sense why I never really considered conservative viewpoints because I was so used to Texas Republicans. I still support Republicans but do think Texas GOP are a bit much. They're like the equivalent of California or NYC progressives but the opposite extreme.You can't discredit my truth with your petty facts.
I prefer the Midwest, honestly, and as PD knows I was in Michigan. Unfortunately family duties called me back to Texas. Every single ban this past summer happened when I was in the Lonestar state or Great Lakes. So there goes your theory.
I've stared at this post for a full minute and now have my hand on my mouth, pondering it. Come again? :what
Post by: benjipwns on September 10, 2022, 08:49:03 PM
:rollsafe
Post by: Nintex on September 11, 2022, 02:22:45 AM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 11, 2022, 07:54:38 AM
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 11, 2022, 09:00:56 AM
Post by: Nintex on September 11, 2022, 02:38:11 PM
Only the heads of state and their spouses are invited.
Also private jets, limousines and helicopters are banned, guests will go to the funeral by bus from West London.
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 12, 2022, 10:16:16 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Donald Trump made a surprise and unannounced visit to Washington D.C. on Sunday, prompting speculation and rumors about the reason for his trip.
A video of Trump arriving at Dulles Airport in Virginia, an airport frequently used by those heading to the capital, was posted online by freelance reporter Andrew Leyden.
The former president can be seen getting out of a plane and heading into a vehicle waiting on the asphalt. Trump appears to be wearing golf shoes and a white polo top.
A motorcade of vehicles then drives away, with Leyden suggesting Trump was heading to his golf course in D.C.
Trump, who has only visited Washington D.C once since he left the White House in January 2021, made no mention of the trip on Truth Social, the social media account he frequently posts on, or via any other statement.
The surprise visit has resulted in a range of theories being shared online. Some have suggested that Trump may be in D.C. because he is due to be arrested by the Department of Justice, or that he may be visiting the Walter Reed hospital for health reasons.
Trump potentially faces a number of indictments in connection with the January 6 attack and his alleged attempts to overturn the 2020 election results. He is also facing an FBI investigation into claims he mishandled classified documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago resort, and then allegedly attempted to obstruct the inquiry.
Many have suggested that Trump being dressed in golf attire suggests the visit was not planned, or needed to be taken at a moment's notice.
Others noted that Trump may be in the capital to attend a speech due to be given by his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, at an event hosted by the America First Policy Institute and the Abraham Accords Peace Institute on Monday.
Lindy Li, a political commentator and Democratic National Committee member, tweeted: "Trump is in DC 57 days before the election. Which is right around the DOJ's alleged 60-day threshold for 'election year sensitivities.' So, if the theories of indictment hold true, this would be perfect timing."
Li added: "He was well enough to deplane by himself so if it's a medical emergency it can't be that dire. Which paves the way for other explanations."
Lawyer George Conway, husband of former White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, dismissed the idea that Trump is in D.C. to play golf as it "hasn't exactly been golf weather here."
"It's been arraigning — I mean, raining," Conway added.
Author, journalist and attorney Seth Abramson was one of those who played down the speculation as to why Trump is in D.C.
"I'm seeing many people saying he's at Walter Reed with no evidence to support the claim. Others are saying he's going to be arraigned tomorrow, but DOJ has implied it'll take no such action pre-election," Abramson tweeted. "A search of a Trump DC property? Possibly—but no evidence of *that*, either."
The Twitter account of the left-wing blog the Palmer Report also suggested the reason for the visit may not be as exciting as Trump critics are hoping it will be.
"If the DOJ is behind this, the best hope we have for a swift explanation is if Trump himself blabs about it on his social network. But in such a case we wouldn't know whether to believe any of what he says anyway," the Palmer Report tweeted.
"If Trump is faking a sudden health issue because he mistakenly believes that checking into a hospital will save him from being indicted and arrested... yawn. Short of that, why would Trump abruptly decide to voluntarily rush to DC, still dressed in golf course clothes, looking more frazzled than ever? Can't think of any reason that would interest me. Meeting with a new incompetent lawyer? Yawn."
The Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington group added: "Look, it's kind of weird that Trump flew to DC tonight and no one seems to know why. There's a lot of speculation, so let's just wait until we know more before jumping to conclusions. But it is weird."
Trump has been contacted for comment.
A video of Trump arriving at Dulles Airport in Virginia, an airport frequently used by those heading to the capital, was posted online by freelance reporter Andrew Leyden.
The former president can be seen getting out of a plane and heading into a vehicle waiting on the asphalt. Trump appears to be wearing golf shoes and a white polo top.
A motorcade of vehicles then drives away, with Leyden suggesting Trump was heading to his golf course in D.C.
Trump, who has only visited Washington D.C once since he left the White House in January 2021, made no mention of the trip on Truth Social, the social media account he frequently posts on, or via any other statement.
The surprise visit has resulted in a range of theories being shared online. Some have suggested that Trump may be in D.C. because he is due to be arrested by the Department of Justice, or that he may be visiting the Walter Reed hospital for health reasons.
Trump potentially faces a number of indictments in connection with the January 6 attack and his alleged attempts to overturn the 2020 election results. He is also facing an FBI investigation into claims he mishandled classified documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago resort, and then allegedly attempted to obstruct the inquiry.
Many have suggested that Trump being dressed in golf attire suggests the visit was not planned, or needed to be taken at a moment's notice.
Others noted that Trump may be in the capital to attend a speech due to be given by his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, at an event hosted by the America First Policy Institute and the Abraham Accords Peace Institute on Monday.
Lindy Li, a political commentator and Democratic National Committee member, tweeted: "Trump is in DC 57 days before the election. Which is right around the DOJ's alleged 60-day threshold for 'election year sensitivities.' So, if the theories of indictment hold true, this would be perfect timing."
Li added: "He was well enough to deplane by himself so if it's a medical emergency it can't be that dire. Which paves the way for other explanations."
Lawyer George Conway, husband of former White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, dismissed the idea that Trump is in D.C. to play golf as it "hasn't exactly been golf weather here."
"It's been arraigning — I mean, raining," Conway added.
Author, journalist and attorney Seth Abramson was one of those who played down the speculation as to why Trump is in D.C.
"I'm seeing many people saying he's at Walter Reed with no evidence to support the claim. Others are saying he's going to be arraigned tomorrow, but DOJ has implied it'll take no such action pre-election," Abramson tweeted. "A search of a Trump DC property? Possibly—but no evidence of *that*, either."
The Twitter account of the left-wing blog the Palmer Report also suggested the reason for the visit may not be as exciting as Trump critics are hoping it will be.
"If the DOJ is behind this, the best hope we have for a swift explanation is if Trump himself blabs about it on his social network. But in such a case we wouldn't know whether to believe any of what he says anyway," the Palmer Report tweeted.
"If Trump is faking a sudden health issue because he mistakenly believes that checking into a hospital will save him from being indicted and arrested... yawn. Short of that, why would Trump abruptly decide to voluntarily rush to DC, still dressed in golf course clothes, looking more frazzled than ever? Can't think of any reason that would interest me. Meeting with a new incompetent lawyer? Yawn."
The Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington group added: "Look, it's kind of weird that Trump flew to DC tonight and no one seems to know why. There's a lot of speculation, so let's just wait until we know more before jumping to conclusions. But it is weird."
Trump has been contacted for comment.
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:insane
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 12, 2022, 10:19:55 AM
Post by: james on September 12, 2022, 10:37:30 AM
Post by: BIONIC on September 12, 2022, 11:15:46 AM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2022, 12:13:00 PM
Flip side they can indict his dumbass attorney anytime they want, given she clearly lied to the feds.
Post by: Nintex on September 12, 2022, 01:14:43 PM
https://twitter.com/GaryGrumbach/status/1569353272099590147 (https://twitter.com/GaryGrumbach/status/1569353272099590147)
Sorry to keep you waiting, complicated business :trumps
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 12, 2022, 01:39:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FceG09wXwAAYcY9?format=jpg)
https://twitter.com/GaryGrumbach/status/1569353272099590147 (https://twitter.com/GaryGrumbach/status/1569353272099590147)
Sorry to keep you waiting, complicated business :trumps
I kind of hope he keeps fucking with people like this. It was entertaining reading all the conspiracy responses while it lasted.
Post by: Nintex on September 12, 2022, 04:14:50 PM
They filmed him too, hanging around with a bunch of random dudes.
https://twitter.com/KellyO/status/1569398818961035268 (https://twitter.com/KellyO/status/1569398818961035268)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fce6xsAWQAEthXF?format=jpg)
They're going after the sipping wine moms from Florida next :doge
https://twitter.com/AmyKremer/status/1568604220072366081 (https://twitter.com/AmyKremer/status/1568604220072366081)
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 12, 2022, 10:33:33 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/mtmama3skullz/status/1569453310582878208
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 13, 2022, 08:49:10 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-golf-course-today-b2165864.html
:dsp
Post by: james on September 13, 2022, 12:45:22 PM
Post by: BIONIC on September 13, 2022, 01:09:28 PM
Inflation still over 8% Biden what are you doing
Banging your mom, Jack :biden
Post by: Nintex on September 13, 2022, 01:51:59 PM
Inflation still over 8% Biden what are you doinghttps://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1569659432899862528 (https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1569659432899862528)
Post by: Propagandhim on September 13, 2022, 02:38:32 PM
Inflation still over 8% Biden what are you doing
It takes a year to reduce inflation 3 to 4 percentages points. CPI showed it was .10% above estimates (and in line with most conservative estimates) -- that's less than 2 weeks on a linear trajectory. It's noise. Anyone making a big stink about Biden is just political chaff.
Post by: Propagandhim on September 13, 2022, 02:39:30 PM
Post by: Tasty on September 13, 2022, 04:35:04 PM
Indicting Trump now would mean they'd have to adjourn the grand jury which doesn't seem like a good idea. Waiting until after the election to indict Trump is risky (what if he announces he's running for president) but it's probably worth it to wait.
Flip side they can indict his dumbass attorney anytime they want, given she clearly lied to the feds.
If he won I don't want to imagine how easily he'd be able to squirm away. Before the election is the smarter move for the case, damn the optics.
Post by: Nintex on September 13, 2022, 06:49:54 PM
If Trump's in jail than the entire 'threat to democracy' is gone.
It won't hurt the Republican party either because people see Trump as a seperate entity from the GOP.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2022, 09:32:39 PM
Indicting Trump now would mean they'd have to adjourn the grand jury which doesn't seem like a good idea. Waiting until after the election to indict Trump is risky (what if he announces he's running for president) but it's probably worth it to wait.
Flip side they can indict his dumbass attorney anytime they want, given she clearly lied to the feds.
If he won I don't want to imagine how easily he'd be able to squirm away. Before the election is the smarter move for the case, damn the optics.
I mean the midterms, not 2024.
There's too much smoke blowing everywhere for me to believe no one gets caught.
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on September 13, 2022, 09:32:41 PM
Give me more crazy theories please.
Let’s leave the theories to the expert.
Quote
But, sources told Real Raw News, Trump’s golf excursion was a diversion: while the rabid media focused on Trump, a senior aide who had travelled with him aboard the 757, quietly slipped away from the crowd on a clandestine mission—to visit the White House and, as once source put it, “Make sure it is as Trump left it.”
In July 2021, Real Raw News published an article claiming that Biden, despite appearances to the contrary, had not set foot in the White House, and was in fact turned away by the U.S. military when he and Kabula Harris sought entry on January 20th that year. Although multiple independent sources confirmed the story, we still questioned its veracity, for if true, it meant that every media organization in the country, including Fox News, was part of the fraud. Sources had said the Biden regime and its media enablers used movie sets and sound stages to mimic White House press events.
Yesterday’s information affirms last year’s contentions.
A source within Trump’s inner circle confided in RRN that the aide—we’ll call him “Jeff”—was greeted at the White House by the U.S. soldiers who have been safeguarding the Oval Office for either Donald J. Trump or the next “lawful president.”
https://realrawnews.com/2022/09/trumps-advisor-checks-on-white-house/
:salute
Post by: Tasty on September 13, 2022, 09:45:40 PM
Indicting Trump now would mean they'd have to adjourn the grand jury which doesn't seem like a good idea. Waiting until after the election to indict Trump is risky (what if he announces he's running for president) but it's probably worth it to wait.
Flip side they can indict his dumbass attorney anytime they want, given she clearly lied to the feds.
If he won I don't want to imagine how easily he'd be able to squirm away. Before the election is the smarter move for the case, damn the optics.
I mean the midterms, not 2024.
There's too much smoke blowing everywhere for me to believe no one gets caught.
...I don't know why I thought differently, apologies.
Post by: chronovore on September 13, 2022, 10:40:27 PM
Jesus, ordered by the FBI not to talk about the investigation, and he broadcasts it. I hope he lands back in jail.
Post by: Nintex on September 14, 2022, 06:32:42 AM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 14, 2022, 07:41:26 AM
The Democrats aren't going to jail Trump because that would destroy their fundraising and the motivation of their base.
If Trump's in jail than the entire 'threat to democracy' is gone.
It won't hurt the Republican party either because people see Trump as a seperate entity from the GOP.
I agree the Dems won't jail Trump. The DOJ will.
:biden
Post by: Nintex on September 14, 2022, 10:22:37 AM
Oh shit
Post by: Occam on September 14, 2022, 11:08:16 AM
http://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1569847934849634306
Jesus, ordered by the FBI not to talk about the investigation, and he broadcasts it. I hope he lands back in jail.
This is the funniest part:
https://twitter.com/QuoteDigging/status/1569850609582641152
Post by: Nintex on September 14, 2022, 12:53:08 PM
https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1569889561295360000 (https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1569889561295360000)
"At least they made the trains run on time"
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1570126427760263168 (https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1570126427760263168)
Post by: james on September 14, 2022, 07:49:34 PM
Post by: Tasty on September 14, 2022, 07:58:21 PM
Quote
Tong and Lamont both pointed out that the new federal lawsuit was filed by an out-of-state organization.
Get the FUCK out of my state :sheik
Post by: Himu on September 14, 2022, 08:05:45 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2022, 02:53:10 AM
I love how the world's most massive conspiracy in control of everything on Earth and inventing things like COVID simply gave up trying to get into the White House and has left it abandoned for nearly two years because the military apparently said they couldn't come in.Give me more crazy theories please.
Let’s leave the theories to the expert.QuoteIn July 2021, Real Raw News published an article claiming that Biden, despite appearances to the contrary, had not set foot in the White House, and was in fact turned away by the U.S. military when he and Kabula Harris sought entry on January 20th that year. Although multiple independent sources confirmed the story, we still questioned its veracity, for if true, it meant that every media organization in the country, including Fox News, was part of the fraud. Sources had said the Biden regime and its media enablers used movie sets and sound stages to mimic White House press events.
https://realrawnews.com/2022/09/trumps-advisor-checks-on-white-house/
:salute
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2022, 03:15:38 AM
DeSantis takes no prisoners
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on September 15, 2022, 03:37:10 AM
Bernie would have nationalized the rail companies last week.
Bernie would have been talking about the virtues of spike hammerists unions, while fusion trains flew overheard.
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2022, 03:52:27 AM
Why are you guys talking about trains? Bernie would have created transporters and given everyone jetpacks.Bernie would have nationalized the rail companies last week.
Bernie would have been talking about the virtues of spike hammerists unions, while fusion trains flew overheard.
"What's going up won't be inflation, it will be you with your safe jetpack." - :bernie
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2022, 04:24:01 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on September 15, 2022, 04:33:27 AM
Post by: chronovore on September 15, 2022, 05:52:38 AM
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1570194506548498438 (https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1570194506548498438)
DeSantis takes no prisoners
No, he sends them to the vacation spots of the liberal elites.
…part of me hopes someone figures out something legal and horrible to send to DeSantis' country club. Like gifting their golf club with fertilizer: 50 tons of bullshit.
Post by: Himu on September 15, 2022, 08:21:18 AM
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2022, 09:01:26 AM
Obama: Thank you for the cheap bartenders, voters, facebook moderators and latinx exotic dancers Governor, hmmm I love Taco's :obama
Trump: Where the hell did you take my illegals Ronnie. My golf course and basements don't clean themselves :trumps
Desantis: :batman
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2022, 02:22:40 PM
Post by: james on September 15, 2022, 04:14:11 PM
But one sick day for the workers? Thats basically communism
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 15, 2022, 04:34:47 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcV6CzsaUAE_lBO?format=jpg&name=small)
Kevin is a real one
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on September 15, 2022, 06:41:09 PM
http://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1569847934849634306
Jesus, ordered by the FBI not to talk about the investigation, and he broadcasts it. I hope he lands back in jail.
You think Lindell is going to jail?!? The FBI will be lucky to even exist after Mike is done with them.
https://twitter.com/Out5p0ken/status/1570479520565673984
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 15, 2022, 07:35:19 PM
http://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1569847934849634306
Jesus, ordered by the FBI not to talk about the investigation, and he broadcasts it. I hope he lands back in jail.
You think Lindell is going to jail?!? The FBI will be lucky to even exist after Mike is done with them.
https://twitter.com/Out5p0ken/status/1570479520565673984
All according to keikaku
Post by: Himu on September 15, 2022, 11:17:20 PM
Quote
Hold These Truths with Dan Crenshaw - Wake-Up Call for the Radical Environmentalists | Peter Huntsman
Peter Huntsman is one of the foremost experts on energy and chemical markets. He joins us to examine the multiple crises involving energy, food, and water that are unfolding across the globe thanks to radical environmental policies.
Peter Huntsman is CEO of Huntsman Corp, a global chemicals company that manufactures the building blocks for countless consumer and industrial products.
Post by: benjipwns on September 16, 2022, 03:44:47 AM
Quote from: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/09/08/readout-of-white-house-listening-session-on-tech-platform-accountability/
With the event, the Biden-Harris Administration announced the following core principles for reform:lmao
Promote competition in the technology sector. The American information technology sector has long been an engine of innovation and growth, and the U.S. has led the world in the development of the Internet economy. Today, however, a small number of dominant Internet platforms use their power to exclude market entrants, to engage in rent-seeking, and to gather intimate personal information that they can use for their own advantage. We need clear rules of the road to ensure small and mid-size businesses and entrepreneurs can compete on a level playing field, which will promote innovation for American consumers and ensure continued U.S. leadership in global technology. We are encouraged to see bipartisan interest in Congress in passing legislation to address the power of tech platforms through antitrust legislation.
...
Protect our kids by putting in place even stronger privacy and online protections for them, including prioritizing safety by design standards and practices for online platforms, products, and services. Children, adolescents, and teens are especially vulnerable to harm. Platforms and other interactive digital service providers should be required to prioritize the safety and wellbeing of young people above profit and revenue in their product design, including by restricting excessive data collection and targeted advertising to young people.
Remove special legal protections for large tech platforms. Tech platforms currently have special legal protections under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act that broadly shield them from liability even when they host or disseminate illegal, violent conduct or materials. The President has long called for fundamental reforms to Section 230.
Increase transparency about platform’s algorithms and content moderation decisions. Despite their central role in American life, tech platforms are notoriously opaque. Their decisions about what content to display to a given user and when and how to remove content from their sites affect Americans’ lives and American society in profound ways. However, platforms are failing to provide sufficient transparency to allow the public and researchers to understand how and why such decisions are made, their potential effects on users, and the very real dangers these decisions may pose.
The Adults Are Back In Charge™
Post by: Uncle on September 16, 2022, 07:04:27 AM
Post by: BIONIC on September 16, 2022, 10:46:07 AM
:biden
Post by: Tasty on September 16, 2022, 12:07:48 PM
Empower and direct the FTC to bring criminal charges against monopolies, then we'll start getting somewhere.
Post by: Nintex on September 16, 2022, 02:52:03 PM
https://twitter.com/Storm4Congress/status/1570532125975384064 (https://twitter.com/Storm4Congress/status/1570532125975384064)
Post by: Uncle on September 16, 2022, 03:01:41 PM
- if the immigrants remained in florida: everyone in FL is racist and will mistreat them and exploit them
- also if the immigrants remained in florida: if they're not mistreated, they'll fall into the local mentality that promotes conservatism and help them grow in power
- since they're being moved to liberal states: they are always treated well by the caring locals and set back on their feet
- they will owe a debt of gratitude toward liberals and feel drawn to that way of thinking, promoting liberal values
- liberal areas become less white which is a clear positive for diversity of thought and experience
- conservatives left to rot with their aging population and no influx of new people and ideas
- PR disaster of mean old conservatives shipping people around
- constant drain on conservative funds in order to move these people around
why the hell would anyone want to stop this? the only reason I can think of is if you don't like feeding, clothing and employing the needy, which is destantis' shitty position
keep it rolling, it's the best possible outcome for everyone involved
Post by: Nintex on September 16, 2022, 03:04:23 PM
They only want them in the backyard of other poor people.
Post by: Tasty on September 16, 2022, 03:32:24 PM
lma fucking o
https://twitter.com/Storm4Congress/status/1570532125975384064 (https://twitter.com/Storm4Congress/status/1570532125975384064)
🤨
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2022, 04:38:56 PM
I see absolutely no downside for liberals in this entire situation, yet there's this constant alternating between "look how great everything is turning out" and "desantis must be stopped, what a horrible person, this is illegal"
- if the immigrants remained in florida: everyone in FL is racist and will mistreat them and exploit them
- also if the immigrants remained in florida: if they're not mistreated, they'll fall into the local mentality that promotes conservatism and help them grow in power
- since they're being moved to liberal states: they are always treated well by the caring locals and set back on their feet
- they will owe a debt of gratitude toward liberals and feel drawn to that way of thinking, promoting liberal values
- liberal areas become less white which is a clear positive for diversity of thought and experience
- conservatives left to rot with their aging population and no influx of new people and ideas
- PR disaster of mean old conservatives shipping people around
- constant drain on conservative funds in order to move these people around
why the hell would anyone want to stop this? the only reason I can think of is if you don't like feeding, clothing and employing the needy, which is destantis' shitty position
keep it rolling, it's the best possible outcome for everyone involved
What. Latinos trend conservative overall, anyways.
Post by: Propagandhim on September 16, 2022, 05:29:04 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on September 16, 2022, 05:32:53 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 16, 2022, 05:40:06 PM
It's called, we do a little trolling - Donald J. Trump
What's stopping Philly from gathering up all their homeless and putting them on a bus headed for Florida on the condition that they'd be warm for the winter? And before you say "morals", I want to clarify: Philadelphia.I expect by this time next year every state puts their migrants on a bus and they are being shuttled between states until they finally get dropped off at a Trump rally with no ride home because Trump didn't pay the bus companies.
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2022, 05:50:14 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 16, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FczfZP5aMAIbC-J?format=png)
Post by: D3RANG3D on September 16, 2022, 06:03:58 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 16, 2022, 06:07:52 PM
Libs havin a good un today overallSo immigrants are trash? And should be in a dump? With a fence around them? Some kind of camp?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FczfZP5aMAIbC-J?format=png)
Hey, this game is fun, now I see why people do it!
Post by: james on September 16, 2022, 06:19:31 PM
- if the immigrants remained in florida:
They were in San Antonio. Florida payed money to take them from Texas to MA.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-migrants-gov-ron-desantis-flew-to-martha-s-vineyard-on-taxpayer-dollars-were-relocated-from-texas-not-florida/ar-AA11SVe1?cvid=1a308f0a015e43c9ab14147a66fec413&ocid=winp2sv1plus
What. Latinos trend conservative overall, anyways.
:tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun
Post by: Potato on September 16, 2022, 06:20:02 PM
Post by: Uncle on September 16, 2022, 06:23:37 PM
What. Latinos trend conservative overall, anyways.
if that were true then you might expect US liberals to generally be against immigration anyway
or if they think they can change their minds, it's much easier to do so when they're living in non-conservative-leaning states instead of rotting in florida or texas
Post by: benjipwns on September 16, 2022, 07:10:20 PM
What's stopping Philly from gathering up all their homeless and putting them on a bus headed for Florida on the condition that they'd be warm for the winter? And before you say "morals", I want to clarify: Philadelphia.One of the beliefs in California, to deny that incentives are an actual thing, is that other states are already doing this and sending them to California/San Francisco/etc. to ruin California and improve their states/cities. Not too long ago Gavin Newsom claimed Texas was the cause of all of California's homeless problems because they were deliberately sabotaging California in this way.
Thing is, these programs actually exist but it's a bit more complicated about who is doing it and why:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Hundreds-of-homeless-people-board-a-bus-out-of-SF-14188436.php
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/us/homeless-busing-seattle-san-francisco.html
https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvg7ba/instead-of-helping-homeless-people-cities-are-bussing-them-out-of-town
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2022, 07:15:45 PM
Libs havin a good un today overall
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FczfZP5aMAIbC-J?format=png)
Ah so they're trash huh?
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2022, 07:17:40 PM
What. Latinos trend conservative overall, anyways.
if that were true then you might expect US liberals to generally be against immigration anyway
or if they think they can change their minds, it's much easier to do so when they're living in non-conservative-leaning states instead of rotting in florida or texas
Because liberals are delusional and cling to things like "demographics is destiny" even though Latinos and Asians are flipping to Republicans. They're so obsessed with identity politics they think all "minorities" think the same or these are collectivist obsessed racial groups who act like crabs.
The truth is more complex.
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/23/1113166779/hispanic-and-minority-voters-are-increasingly-shifting-to-the-republican-party
Even Ruy Teixeira, the man that made the demographics is destiny theory has disavowed it. Liberals cling to it because they live in their own unique bubbles. Remember a few years ago liberals were all about sanctuary states so in theory this should be fine for them. But reality knows that libs and progressives use racial minorities as a convenient cudgel to win. They don't actually care about us which is precisely why when they meet a black Republican or something they're a "race traitor" even if the person calling them that is white and they only seem to care about "minorities" during election years.
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2022, 07:45:07 PM
They can't admit they're a bunch of overly educated city lovers.
https://www.ksat.com/news/texas/2022/09/12/along-the-texas-mexico-border-gop-enthusiasm-mounts-as-democrats-defect-over-immigration-concerns/
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3580130-america-is-heading-toward-its-third-great-political-realignment/
Post by: Uncle on September 16, 2022, 08:00:07 PM
because any corporations vocally leaning liberal/politically correct are just doing so because it's socially acceptable and scores free marketing points, while benefiting from all the conservative policies in place for the rich/elite, they're not going to reject that because they're soulless and have no real ability to "take a stand" as a corporate entity
if regular america goes right, and rich corporate america sounds left but is still quietly right, then who is even left?
Post by: Uncle on September 16, 2022, 08:24:12 PM
the current thing going around social media about the desantis deportation is that he has a $12 million deportation budget and spent $600k of it to fly these immigrants to martha's vinyard
https://twitter.com/CharlieCrist/status/1570794372517732353
everyone is saying "he fucked up, his taxpayers aren't going to be happy that he's spending all their money on this stupid shit"
but imagine they stayed in texas or florida for years, got paid under the table as undocumented workers (no taxes involved), and took advantage of state programs the whole time? I mean even the tiniest shit like using public roads, all the way up to health care
might it add up to more than $12k per person?
are people not thinking about this or am I missing something?
Post by: Tasty on September 16, 2022, 08:26:44 PM
Liberals defending Chris Christie :dead
I'll defend Marco Rubio a little. Where the fuck is the Sunshine Protection Act vis-a-vis the current House session? :maf
PASS THIS SHIT ALREADY, I'm so over switching back and forth every year. The other countries are laughing at us.
Post by: Potato on September 16, 2022, 09:19:23 PM
if that's a real thing that's taking place -- not denying it but acknowledging that I just haven't looked into it -- that almost feels like a trapWhat's laughable about the US corporate sector supposedly leaning left is that they are consistently breaking unions and any sort of worker power while promoting identity politics.
because any corporations vocally leaning liberal/politically correct are just doing so because it's socially acceptable and scores free marketing points, while benefiting from all the conservative policies in place for the rich/elite, they're not going to reject that because they're soulless and have no real ability to "take a stand" as a corporate entity
if regular america goes right, and rich corporate america sounds left but is still quietly right, then who is even left?
How the fuck does that line up with "left" politics? The Democrats wholeheartedly back this stance as well because they are exactly the same.
Post by: Himu on September 17, 2022, 05:40:51 AM
ok maybe someone can explain this to me because maybe I don't understand
the current thing going around social media about the desantis deportation is that he has a $12 million deportation budget and spent $600k of it to fly these immigrants to martha's vinyard
https://twitter.com/CharlieCrist/status/1570794372517732353
everyone is saying "he fucked up, his taxpayers aren't going to be happy that he's spending all their money on this stupid shit"
but imagine they stayed in texas or florida for years, got paid under the table as undocumented workers (no taxes involved), and took advantage of state programs the whole time? I mean even the tiniest shit like using public roads, all the way up to health care
might it add up to more than $12k per person?
are people not thinking about this or am I missing something?
Don't think. Just get big mad like the corporations and the news told us to.
I don't blame socialists or communists for becoming what they are. They are right about corporate greed. The same thing fueling the modern socialist movement is fueling the same modern conservative movement just in the opposite stream. Liberals will deny it. Unfortunately Republicans aren't the party of small government anymore and socialists/communists like big government by nature.
Post by: Himu on September 17, 2022, 05:58:38 AM
Good article.
if that's a real thing that's taking place -- not denying it but acknowledging that I just haven't looked into it -- that almost feels like a trap
because any corporations vocally leaning liberal/politically correct are just doing so because it's socially acceptable and scores free marketing points, while benefiting from all the conservative policies in place for the rich/elite, they're not going to reject that because they're soulless and have no real ability to "take a stand" as a corporate entity
if regular america goes right, and rich corporate america sounds left but is still quietly right, then who is even left?
Read the Texas Tribune article I linked. Democrats do not care about the interests of everyday folk and shame us as they sit in ivory towers and throw rocks. No one likes them. Republicans aren't perfect and have massive issues but sometimes you need a blunt object to protect your interests. They've managed to make it so that the animosity against them has grown beyond rural and now suburban. The yuppy city dwellers don't understand either rural or suburban living. The problem for Democrats is that Americans are suburb lovers and their suburb strategy is losing. Democrats may win the midterms because of Dobbs and bad Republican candidates but the trends are definitely there and the wheels are definitely being set in motion.
Post by: Nintex on September 17, 2022, 07:36:29 AM
It's all a matter of control.if that's a real thing that's taking place -- not denying it but acknowledging that I just haven't looked into it -- that almost feels like a trapWhat's laughable about the US corporate sector supposedly leaning left is that they are consistently breaking unions and any sort of worker power while promoting identity politics.
because any corporations vocally leaning liberal/politically correct are just doing so because it's socially acceptable and scores free marketing points, while benefiting from all the conservative policies in place for the rich/elite, they're not going to reject that because they're soulless and have no real ability to "take a stand" as a corporate entity
if regular america goes right, and rich corporate america sounds left but is still quietly right, then who is even left?
How the fuck does that line up with "left" politics? The Democrats wholeheartedly back this stance as well because they are exactly the same.
Before COVID there was a big movement to make the labour market more 'flexible'. Short term gigs, project based jobs, small business, startups and self-employment. Mostly because corporations were setting the rules of the game and they were mostly concerned with making money not the planet or other such things. This was supposed to give people more freedom but it already started to show cracks because small businesses can't compete with corporations let alone state corporations like China and people with poor business skills simply lower their prices so they sort of become a 'cheap' alternative which then get hired by the corporations. And things like startups again were a way to drive wages down, "we don't pay you but you are part of something bigger". Of course when the owner quits they get jack and when the actual owners sell the joint to a big corpo everyone loses their jobs within a year or so. The epitome of this is of course 'the platform' like Uber, AirBnB or Deliveroo. Where you simply built a website that matches supply with demand without actually having to produce or deliver anything. Because small businesses give up their brand in favor of the platform that is growing in popularity they lose all control over their pricing and offerings. The platform owns them.
But during the Trump presidency and especially COVID liberals the world over realized that this flexible market meant that they had less control. It was easy to lockdown big franchises and have them work it out with bank loans than it was to close millions of individual businesses and it was easy for the corporations to spend money on all sorts of measures including working from home. As it would actually be cheaper than having everyone work from the office. They also realized that having outsourced everything to all sorts of different companies and contractors their governments weren't able to move fast. Unlike in China where they could just shut everything down on a moments notice because it is all state controlled. And finallly you have family businesses and these are an even bigger threat because they are often large, succesful enterprises that don't have shareholders to answer to. Also the governments weren't sure if could they trust these small businesses with government support or if they would just use the money to buy a new car or go on vacation and the population didn't trust that the government had their best interest in mind or made the right decisions. So in the end the liberal governments all realized that the combined health, social, economic and some would argue climate challenges needed quick decision making and long term planning that goes beyond the time any politician spends in office but they don't want to give up democracy. The government and corporations however were too corrupt to be trusted by society. This is basically where Adam Curtis' documentary ended and he wondered what the new post-COVID world would look like. If it would look like China or if we could built something better.
The corporate world, NGO's and modern liberalism however just doubled down on the course they had already set out, at Davos under the banner of the WEF or the Bill Gates Foundation. Corporations, NGO's and governments together map out and shape the future of society. Where the corporations accept that their role is not just making money but also signing up to the liberal world view and the government provides them with the incentives, tax breaks and policies to achieve it. The jobs of the politicians is merely to manage this process and have the public vote on 'how' not 'if' they want to achieve this. They just ask the corporate leaders: "What do you need to hire more PoC's?, what do you need to become climate neutral?" etc. basically the 19 goals that the UN set-out is the framework for all these plans. The third wing of this are the scientists and researchers. People like Birx and Fauci who are no longer limited by just the grants from government but can tap into unlimited funding from corporations as long as their research covers and promotes the topics that the government and corporations are interested in. And finally there is a group of very vocal stormtroopers on the ground, the activists and news media. Who mostly just act as the marketing branch of this endeavor. The modern left likes it because they can use the corporations to further their own goals that they would never be able to put to a vote. The corporations like it because it is very profitable for them. Banks were 'dying' for example but now the EU intends to use their infrastructure to store the medical records of all their citizens. Soon a CO2 budget needs to managed, again a service the banks will provide. At the same time the government starts to regulate the crypto currencies that threaten the banks. And most people that are on the "losing" end of these policies don't have any means to go up against this, so all they can really say is "They" are doing this to us. Because they realize that something is wrong but they can't articulate or understand how the system works.
The conservatives realize that if the corporations, liberals (center), NGO's/universities (left) work together they are vastly outnumbered and that time is running out.
Which is why some of them simply join the ranks of this alliance while others seek out by any means necessary the only force that can stop this, the voters.
Because if the liberals can no longer deliver the protection and funding from government, the corporations will jump ship.
Post by: tiesto on September 17, 2022, 12:13:03 PM
Liberals defending Chris Christie :dead
I miss Roy Rogers, they all closed down out here but Jersey still has a few... can't blame Christie for craving a late night chicken sandwich from there.
Post by: tiesto on September 17, 2022, 12:50:12 PM
What. Latinos trend conservative overall, anyways.
if that were true then you might expect US liberals to generally be against immigration anyway
or if they think they can change their minds, it's much easier to do so when they're living in non-conservative-leaning states instead of rotting in florida or texas
Because liberals are delusional and cling to things like "demographics is destiny" even though Latinos and Asians are flipping to Republicans. They're so obsessed with identity politics they think all "minorities" think the same or these are collectivist obsessed racial groups who act like crabs.
The truth is more complex.
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/23/1113166779/hispanic-and-minority-voters-are-increasingly-shifting-to-the-republican-party
Even Ruy Teixeira, the man that made the demographics is destiny theory has disavowed it. Liberals cling to it because they live in their own unique bubbles. Remember a few years ago liberals were all about sanctuary states so in theory this should be fine for them. But reality knows that libs and progressives use racial minorities as a convenient cudgel to win. They don't actually care about us which is precisely why when they meet a black Republican or something they're a "race traitor" even if the person calling them that is white and they only seem to care about "minorities" during election years.
Politicians' problem is still trying to paint Hispanics (a widely diverse group) under one brush. Puerto Ricans who have been living in NYC since the mid 1900s, Cuban refugees in South Florida, Mexicans living in a Texas border community, Salvadorian meatpackers in the midwest, wealthy Colombian expats living in the burbs, etc... so many different groups with their own (sometimes competing) interests. And also the Hispanic immigrant populations from prior eras during the first big immigration push are aging, having kids (or grandkids!) - and (like myself and other descendants from Ellis Island immigrants) the second and third generations tend to assimilate into American culture, know very little Spanish, etc.
I'll never forget hearing my coworker (a Puerto Rican IT manager) arguing over the phone with his young daughter, who didn't want to go visit their family back in PR, since she didn't speak Spanish and felt very out of place and uncomfortable whenever she went over there. You're gonna be seeing that a lot more in the future.
Post by: Nintex on September 17, 2022, 01:05:14 PM
:trumps
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 17, 2022, 02:06:18 PM
https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1571157734824763392 (https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1571157734824763392)
:trumps
:doge :brain :dead
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 17, 2022, 06:51:54 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 17, 2022, 06:52:39 PM
https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1570734007293251586 (https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1570734007293251586)
I wish the FBI lots of luck with the clusterfuck they created for themselves
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1571305322849128448 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1571305322849128448)
:dead
Post by: Potato on September 17, 2022, 09:59:32 PM
https://twitter.com/ZacaMesaSix/status/1570989914099183616How do you both want pro-police and also less government?
Post by: Nintex on September 18, 2022, 04:31:13 AM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1571308887248179200 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1571308887248179200)
https://twitter.com/HowardMortman/status/1571429213009510400 (https://twitter.com/HowardMortman/status/1571429213009510400)
Post by: HaughtyFrank on September 18, 2022, 10:53:51 AM
https://twitter.com/ZacaMesaSix/status/1570989914099183616How do you both want pro-police and also less government?
She got carried away in her freestyle, the beat was too fire
Post by: Himu on September 18, 2022, 03:02:26 PM
On one hand, stronger borders are needed. Please finish the wall. What if these people were cartel? Thousands of people streaming into the state every damn day. Please finish the wall. How is this not considered an invasion of America's sovereignty?
https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1571533661413183488
But also, guns are on the ballot if I vote for O'Rourke.
On the flip side, Texas abortion law is extreme and doesn't include exceptions. Even I, someone that's pretty pro-life (although I don't label myself that), thinks women should have the abortion with specific exceptions such as rape, incest, and threat to her life.
That's on the ballot too in Beto's favor. I personally feel that Texas could use being more purple because the Texas GOP is extremist on certain issues. Injecting the state with some moderate Democrat politics would be good for the state, but Beto isn't what I'd label a moderate.
I've never seen an election where I've been on the fence so badly. I really don't know what to do.
Some days I think I'll vote Abbott, other days I think I should vote Beto.
Post by: Himu on September 18, 2022, 04:09:03 PM
https://archive.ph/2F0re
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2022, 04:26:42 PM
On one hand, stronger borders are needed. Please finish the wall. What if these people were cartel? Thousands of people streaming into the state every damn day. Please finish the wall. How is this not considered an invasion of America's sovereignty?Allowing immigration does not harm a nations claim of sovereignty.
Also on the Texas gubernatorial ballot:
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Libertarian Mark Jay Tippetts, attorney, former Lago Vista city councilman, and nominee for governor in 2018
Green Delilah Barrios, environmental activist
Independent Deirdre Dickson-Gilbert, public educator (previously ran for Democratic nomination)
Independent Ricardo Turullols-Bonilla, retired educator and write-in candidate for U.S. Senate in 2020
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2022, 04:54:13 PM
https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1571327332819902465
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2022, 06:07:22 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FczgXNsWQAEkpNK?format=png&name=small)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FczYQH4aIAIBcp5?format=png&name=small)
Absolute disaster area from the Worst Circuit. :dead
the googles do nothing
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Creates a Circuit split so the Supreme Court will have to strike down the Fifth.
Post by: Himu on September 18, 2022, 07:38:41 PM
On one hand, stronger borders are needed. Please finish the wall. What if these people were cartel? Thousands of people streaming into the state every damn day. Please finish the wall. How is this not considered an invasion of America's sovereignty?Allowing immigration does not harm a nations claim of sovereignty.
Also on the Texas gubernatorial ballot:QuoteLibertarian Mark Jay Tippetts, attorney, former Lago Vista city councilman, and nominee for governor in 2018
Green Delilah Barrios, environmental activist
Independent Deirdre Dickson-Gilbert, public educator (previously ran for Democratic nomination)
Independent Ricardo Turullols-Bonilla, retired educator and write-in candidate for U.S. Senate in 2020
They are illegal. Imagine a bunch of French Canadians hopped over the Canada-US border over into Detroit, Benji. A bunch of mean ass French Canadians armed with poutine and foul insults fucking up the local culture. You wouldn't argue that then, would you? They can just waltz in without a background check and stay? Pretty soon the Great Lakes will be saying "sacre bleu!" Do you really want that?
Tippetts is anti-wall. They need to finish it.
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2022, 07:51:09 PM
For the record, there's no wall of any kind on the American-Canadian border. You may need to cross it multiple times to find all the books you want. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskell_Free_Library_and_Opera_House) Crossing the American-Canadian border constantly with zero background checks is a daily thing for border communities.
And a wall on the other land border won't do anything for the minor concern you want stopped anyway, most "illegal" immigrants come from overstayed visas not border crossers from Mexico.
Post by: Himu on September 18, 2022, 08:07:48 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2022, 08:42:23 PM
There's no wall on the American-Canadian border because you don't have to deal with cartels and drug smugglers en masse.Since you know the statistics how much more drugs comes across the Mexican border than the Canadian border? How much comes in through the ports?
These people are completely unchecked. They are not "migrants", they are illegal immigrants.I'm not a big person on thinking harmless civil violations of unjust laws makes a person a bad person though.
Post by: Himu on September 18, 2022, 09:24:29 PM
Since you know the statistics how much more drugs comes across the Mexican border than the Canadian border? How much comes in through the ports?
Cartel violence on the border:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkpwd7/a-cartel-firefight-just-turned-a-us-mexico-border-town-into-a-war-zone
Human smuggling and trafficking with "migrants" dead in San Antonio
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/28/1108280982/texas-migrant-deaths-human-smuggling-mexico
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San Antonio is a hub for cargo, including migrants
The city is just 150 miles from the U.S.-Mexico border, on two busy corridors that reach across the U.S.: I-10 running between Los Angeles and Florida and I-35 running from the border crossing at Laredo up north to Minnesota.
"Once you get to San Antonio, you can go to Houston, you can go to Dallas, you can go further north into the Midwest. Of course, I-35 goes all the way up to Minnesota," Enriquez said. "So it is an important corridor for goods and unfortunately, also for smuggling and the trafficking of persons."
Human traffickers thrive in areas where their trucks can mix in with other vehicles. And in Laredo, thousands of trucks cross the border each day. Smugglers operate their own logistics chain — but with safehouses instead of warehouses.
"I mean, it is literally a needle in a haystack," Robinette said. "If you've ever been to that border, you just see the frequency and the volume of trucks that are traveling northbound through the different checkpoints. It's a miracle that [agents] come across what they do come across."
Mexican Foreign Secretary Marcelo Ebrard said in a tweet that the dead include 22 Mexicans, 7 Guatemalans and 2 Hondurans. The others have not yet been identified.
Migrants pay tens of thousands of dollars to smugglers
For migrants, the financial costs of crossing are steep.
"We've heard reports of tens of thousands of dollars, depending on where they're coming from and where their destination is," Enriquez said.
"We also have to keep in mind that many of these folks already have family in the United States, and they're simply either trying to reunify with family here" or are in families with mixed citizenship, he said. In turn, loved ones who are working in the U.S. often help migrants raise the money to pay smugglers' steep fees, Enriquez added.
"It's a terrible human tragedy, and it continues to happen on a too-regular basis, because we have really failed to address two of the most important components of immigration law, which is family reunification and labor," he said.
Noting flaws in the U.S. guest worker program and other issues, Enriquez added, "Basically, we've stayed in a holding pattern for the last 10 or 15 years."
One thing that has changed is the difficulty of crossing into the U.S. Because of the measures people take to elude new technologies, Enriquez said, migrants' journeys continue to get more dangerous.
Another part of the problem, Robinette said, is that when things go wrong, human traffickers will look after themselves first.
"At the end of the day, these smugglers have very, very little value or care" for the people they're bringing into the U.S., he said.
For migrants who rely on human smugglers, the heat sharply increases the risks they face. The San Antonio area has been experiencing extreme heat, with record temperatures topping 100 degrees this month.
"Any mistakes are essentially a death sentence to folks," Enriquez said, adding that if a driver doesn't show up on time to pick up a load, or if a refrigeration unit fails, "You're putting folks in a tremendous amount of peril."
Robinette says the U.S. has long sent mixed messages to would-be migrants, who then risk everything for the chance of a better life, despite the dangers and the threat of prosecution.
Until the U.S. can change the dynamic, he said, "we're going to have people doing anything and everything they can to try to get in here and many times risking their lives, like they did in this situation."
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/immigration/article/How-does-human-smuggling-work-17279592.php
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What is the difference between human smuggling and human trafficking?
Human smuggling is when a person willingly pays a smuggler to gain entry into a foreign country, while human trafficking is the exploitation of an individual, for labor or commercial sex acts, using force, fraud or coercion.
'TOO MANY INNOCENT DEATHS': Biden says human smuggling crackdown will intensify after San Antonio migrant deaths
“A key difference is that victims of trafficking are considered victims of a crime under international law; smuggled migrants are not—they pay smugglers to facilitate their movement,” according to the U.S. Department of State.
However, it’s not uncommon for a migrant who willingly is being smuggled to end up being exploited or trafficked.
Old Justice Department stats:
https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs27/27513/border.htm
USA Today expose on drug cartel market and how they go around walls.
https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/story/drug-trafficking-smuggling-cartels-tunnels/559814001/
NYT article on human smuggling:
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Smuggling Migrants at the Border Now a Billion-Dollar Business
With demand for smugglers on the rise, organized crime has moved in, with cruel and violent results.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/25/us/migrant-smuggling-evolution.html
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I'm not a big person on thinking harmless civil violations of unjust laws makes a person a bad person though.
Did I claim all illegal immigrants are bad people?
No.
But I don't know who they are. Are you denying Mexico does not have a cartel/drug problem?
As per NYT:
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‘Absolute Warfare’: Cartels Terrorize Mexico as Security Forces Fall Short
The president disbanded the Federal Police and created the National Guard to tackle soaring violence, but three years later, criminal cartels have expanded their reach.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/31/world/americas/mexico-cartels-violence.html
These are not Canadians with their low crime rate, Benji.
Canadians gangs certainly aren't "terrorizing Canada". You have nothing to worry about. However, these people are unchecked and they can waltz in. Given the very apparent problem in Mexico, why in the hell would I trust people that are passing through that very country to be able to cross borders into my and surrounding states without going through authorities?
I don't trust a robber to come into my house without asking. Sure, some might not be non-violent and just there to steal stuff. But why should I give them the benefit of the doubt? I have no idea what their aims are. Some might actually try to come because they really want to add to America and want a better life. Cool. This isn't to call them all bad, but to trust blindly is foolish. Given the very real circumstances that allow firearm ownership in case of robbery to shoot assailants if need be, why in the ever living fuck would I want much less allow people to do the same thing through my own border.
An uncontrolled border leads to sex slavery, human trafficking, human smuggling, drug smuggling, violence, and an entire swarm of humanitarian violations.
How is this not contradicting NAP?
Why should I just trust people to come into my state without being checked just because I will be accused of being racist from by people far, far away from the issue who don't have to deal with it?
Are you fine letting robbers rob houses too? Or are you more fine with calling them "visitors"? Some are migrants, some aren't but all are illegal immigrants and to label them "migrants" with a broad brush is to deflect from the reality of the issue.
The case is very clear: build the wall. Add more security on the border.
If Democrats were doing all they can about it, I'd give them a pass. But Biden's administration is half assing it in the name of fighting "racism" while putting his actual constituents and citizens in harms way. Don't forget, if it's easy to get into America it must be easy to get out. Guns go out of America too. I'm sure people are just as easy to traffic.
Post by: Himu on September 18, 2022, 09:35:46 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2022, 10:13:24 PM
Post by: Occam on September 19, 2022, 06:33:42 AM
The wall is a con by pretzel brains, for pretzel brains.
Post by: Potato on September 19, 2022, 06:50:54 AM
It doesn't stop drug traffing, either. You can always use ladders, tunnels, drones.I'm pretty sure that not many drugs are being brought into the US by Mexicans on foot either.
The wall is a con by pretzel brains, for pretzel brains.
Post by: Uncle on September 19, 2022, 07:50:29 AM
the prospect of having to go to a specific un-walled crossing point, which might be more dangerous for some reason or have law enforcement waiting there since it's a known hole, that could be enough to stop a few people trying to cross
also the wall must be a good idea in some sense because it's well known that liberal administrations don't double down on bad ideas (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/biden-administration-fill-border-wall-gaps-yuma-arizona-rcna40567)
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 08:42:03 AM
On the Texas ballot are the issues of illegal immigration/border control and abortion. Both sides are weak on at least one half. Both are serious. Captured states that don't have moderate parties to act as a buffer are pointless. Instead you get progressives running in the state of Texas. Texas needs a Manchin.
You don't find it curious that California, a border state, and New Mexico, a border state, don't seem to be having a border crisis?
But only the republican led states of Texas and Florida do?
Its almost like you're falling for the propoganda around the scary brown people.
What year was the infamous caravan again, 2018? Dominated media coverage for months and then the day after the election was never mentioned again
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 08:47:53 AM
Post by: Uncle on September 19, 2022, 08:50:33 AM
You don't find it curious that California, a border state, and New Mexico, a border state, don't seem to be having a border crisis?
But only the republican led states of Texas and Florida do?
if those states aren't republican-led, then maybe it'd be off-message for the platform to publicize any problems they might be having?
sort of like california's shoplifting/break-in/homeless problems which only tend to be reported on from evil right leaning sources
or sort of like how if immigration WASN'T an issue, and was easy to deal with, and liberal states welcome busloads from desantis with open arms, then why would anyone want him to stop doing it
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 08:51:22 AM
The idea that a wall solves or comes close to solving illegal immigration is s-tier stupidity. I wouldn't take the Benji approach on border laws and whether they should exist or not, but...the wall is dumb guys.
Wall is just one method. Make it. Add more security. Keep track of the roaches that are the cartel and smugglers/traffickers.
On the Texas ballot are the issues of illegal immigration/border control and abortion. Both sides are weak on at least one half. Both are serious. Captured states that don't have moderate parties to act as a buffer are pointless. Instead you get progressives running in the state of Texas. Texas needs a Manchin.
You don't find it curious that California, a border state, and New Mexico, a border state, don't seem to be having a border crisis?
But only the republican led states of Texas and Florida do?
Its almost like you're falling for the propoganda around the scary brown people.
What year was the infamous caravan again, 2018? Dominated media coverage for months and then the day after the election was never mentioned again
Spoken like a Yankee :lol
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 09:04:33 AM
Homelessness in the subway with some crack smoking homeless man making a public utility his house where children ride, mental illness rampant and the liberal solution?
"Leave them alone, they need a place to stay during the winter and that's their home."
A non solution.
Similarly, conservatives are proposing one of many deterrances for illegal immigrants. A wall is just one of those deterrants. What's the solution or alternative liberals got? "A wall is stupid." Yeah? I posted that the cartel evades a wall if it's erected but at least it's something. What do you propose that's better?
It's the same way with conservatives and their complete lack of real healthcare proposal or Obamacare replacement. If you're going to trash an idea propose a better solution. A wall may be "dumb" to you, but to me it's just one added layer of security of many.
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 09:07:03 AM
if those states aren't republican-led, then maybe it'd be off-message for the platform to publicize any problems they might be having?
The number of help wanted signs at restaurants indicates that there is not in fact an over abundance of cheap labor.
This typifies liberal "solutions".
Homelessness in the subway with some crack smoking homeless man making a public utility his house where children ride, mental illness rampant and the liberal solution?
"Leave them alone, they need a place to stay during the winter and that's their home."
A non solution.
Similarly, conservatives are proposing one of many deterrances for illegal immigrants. A wall is just one of those deterrants. What's the solution or alternative liberals got? "A wall is stupid." Yeah? I posted that the cartel evades a wall if it's erected but at least it's something. What do you propose that's better?
It's the same way with conservatives and their complete lack of real healthcare proposal or Obamacare replacement. If you're going to trash an idea propose a better solution. A wall may be "dumb" to you, but to me it's just one added layer of security of many.
Republicans have governed Texas for DECADES.
That means one of two things:
1) They are 100% unable to stop the problem
2) They don't want to stop it because they get to campaign on it every year
How is electing Abbott going to solve the border crisis if he couldnt get it done in the last 4 years? or the guy before him with the same platform? Or the guy before him with the same platform?
The border crisis looks identical to me as it did...under Bush. And it only started spiking after Obama left office.
(https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/FT_21.08.05_USMexicoBorder_1a.png)
This one goes back even further.
2021 only looks so high because 2020 was a missed year due to Covid. Same as car sales. People pushed back their decision.
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Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 09:14:22 AM
Post by: Uncle on September 19, 2022, 09:15:35 AM
if those states aren't republican-led, then maybe it'd be off-message for the platform to publicize any problems they might be having?
The number of help wanted signs at restaurants indicates that there is not in fact an over abundance of cheap labor.
what kind of person looks at undocumented migrants and says oh boy gee whiz I can't wait to exploit them, bring over as many as you want and we'll throw them in our kitchens paying them nearly nothing under the table
is there any state that actually has that policy? or is it more likely that they welcome people entering through the legal process, and do their best to keep out border jumpers, whether republican or democrat?
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 09:16:44 AM
CBP is a federal organization, James.
Then why are you saying this:
I don't know whom to vote for.
On one hand, stronger borders are needed. Please finish the wall.
Some days I think I'll vote Abbott, other days I think I should vote Beto.
If you agree its a federal issue, then why does it affect the choice between Abbott and Beto?
You think Abbott busing people to DC is going to chance the decisions people make in Venezuela to flee the country?
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 09:18:42 AM
if those states aren't republican-led, then maybe it'd be off-message for the platform to publicize any problems they might be having?
The number of help wanted signs at restaurants indicates that there is not in fact an over abundance of cheap labor.
what kind of person looks at undocumented migrants and says oh boy gee whiz I can't wait to exploit them, bring over as many as you want and we'll throw them in our kitchens paying them nearly nothing under the table
Typically, thats the R party platform.
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Standing on stage at a Republican debate on the Gulf Coast of Florida last week, Mitt Romney repeatedly lashed out at rival Rudy Giuliani for providing sanctuary to illegal immigrants in New York City.
Yet, the very next morning, on Thursday, at least two illegal immigrants stepped out of a hulking maroon pickup truck in the driveway of Romney's Belmont house, then proceeded to spend several hours raking leaves, clearing debris from Romney's tennis court, and loading the refuse back on to the truck.
In fact, their work was part of a regular pattern. Despite a Globe story in Dec. 2006 that highlighted Romney's use of illegal immigrants to tend to his lawn, Romney continued to employ the same landscaping company — until today. The landscaping company, in turn, continued to employ illegal immigrants.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/press-release-flashback-lawn-work-romneys-home-still-done-illegal-immigrants
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But Romney is Mexican so hes ok
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But my point is, the old anti-immigration line was "dur stealing muh jerbs".
Notice it's not used anymore, because we have more jobs that immigrants. How exactly would the labor shortage look if we take away the 500k that came over in the past few years?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 09:43:47 AM
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 09:52:32 AM
I won't humor you with a reply but this is an issue Democrats are losing on. That's all.
I love how simple your brain is. When presented with something that conflicts with the one thing in there, you shut down. If only we could all be as blissful as you.
Post by: Occam on September 19, 2022, 09:55:53 AM
You know the saying, you can lead a Republican to the facts but you can't make make them think.
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 09:59:53 AM
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Poll: GOP is winning on the economy, immigration; Democrats are ahead on abortion and health care
Sounds about right. Both parties think their shit don't stink on key issues and act similarly on specific issues. "Banning" abortion (even exceptions) isn't a solution. Denying America's healthcare woes isn't a solution. Going lalala WACISM to the border crisis isn't a solution. "Why don't you buy an EV?" :smug to rising gas prices (which have thankfully lowered) or ignoring rising inflation by increasing spending isn't a solution. Neither party wants to make concessions and both are full of shit. The same, but also different. It's a shit sandwich and we all gotta take a bite.
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 10:06:29 AM
Naturally. Once your brain has twisted itself into a pretzel, it's virtually impossible to untwist.
You know the saying, you can lead a Republican to the facts but you can't make make them think.
Most Americans agree with me on immigration, foreigner. :)
Post by: Uncle on September 19, 2022, 10:08:02 AM
But my point is, the old anti-immigration line was "dur stealing muh jerbs".
Notice it's not used anymore, because we have more jobs that immigrants. How exactly would the labor shortage look if we take away the 500k that came over in the past few years?
so, again: why does anyone want to stop desantis from sending people up north?
he's depriving himself of jobs and all the benefits that come from increased diversity, and bolstering democratic states. how is this a problem? how is it not just a self-own in every sense?
why do you want to force these people to remain in republican shitholes rather than end up where they are welcomed, fed, and given good jobs?
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 10:14:24 AM
so, again: why does anyone want to stop desantis from sending people up north?
he's depriving himself of jobs and all the benefits that come from increased diversity, and bolstering democratic states. how is this a problem? how is it not just a self-own in every sense?
I notice you never responded to my reply pointing out that DeSantis took people from TEXAS to send to MA. Why is that?
And you dont see any problem with LYING to people to get them onto your plane to make a political statement? He told them they were going to Boston and had jobs lined up.
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why do you want to force these people to remain in republican shitholes rather than end up where they are welcomed, fed, and given good jobs?
No one is saying this. Which windmill are you attempting to argue with?
I think Biden having buses at the border is a great idea. As long as the migrants are not being LIED TO about the destination and job prospects. The vast majority of migrants have no desire to actually live in Texas. Getting them to where their family/friends are is a great idea. Their family/friends are not at a remote resort island.
Post by: Uncle on September 19, 2022, 10:28:27 AM
so, again: why does anyone want to stop desantis from sending people up north?
he's depriving himself of jobs and all the benefits that come from increased diversity, and bolstering democratic states. how is this a problem? how is it not just a self-own in every sense?
I notice you never responded to my reply pointing out that DeSantis took people from TEXAS to send to MA. Why is that?
I don't think it matters in terms of examining what is happening, broadly it's republicans governments sending immigrants from southern states to northern states
presumably they have an agreement or arrangement with each other since their goals align, unless you've got a news source that demonstrates greg abbott is angry desantis is doing this
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And you dont see any problem with LYING to people to get them onto your plane to make a political statement? He told them they were going to Boston and had jobs lined up.
ideally it ought to be clearly communicated where they're going and what they will find when they get there, though as incompetent as these states are, I would tend not to ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity or miscommunication
and this is yet another aspect of the self-own, creating his own personal PR nightmare
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 10:34:22 AM
so, again: why does anyone want to stop desantis from sending people up north?
he's depriving himself of jobs and all the benefits that come from increased diversity, and bolstering democratic states. how is this a problem? how is it not just a self-own in every sense?
I notice you never responded to my reply pointing out that DeSantis took people from TEXAS to send to MA. Why is that?
I don't think it matters in terms of examining what is happening, broadly it's republicans governments sending immigrants from southern states to northern states
presumably they have an agreement or arrangement with each other since their goals align, unless you've got a news source that demonstrates greg abbott is angry desantis is doing thisQuoteAnd you dont see any problem with LYING to people to get them onto your plane to make a political statement? He told them they were going to Boston and had jobs lined up.
ideally it ought to be clearly communicated where they're going and what they will find when they get there, though as incompetent as these states are, I would tend not to ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity or miscommunication
and this is yet another aspect of the self-own, creating his own personal PR nightmare
If your platform is:
1) We are good with money
and
2) We are good with borders
I dont see how chartering a private plane ($$$) to go to another state ($$$) to fly people to an out-of-the-way island ($$$) accomplishes either of those goals.
Why not bus people from Texas to New Mexico, the closest D state? Its like $15 a pop on Greyhound, vs $12,000 on the plane.
Because its not about solutions, its about owning the libs on Hannity.
And we all know theres a 95% chance DeSantis knows the guy who owns the plane and got a kick-back.
It reminds me of how when Trump was president, every time there was a drug bust, the Rs would say LOOK HOW GREAT TRUMP IS DOING ON SECURITY, and now every time theres a drug bust, they say "LOOK AT ALL THESE BIDEN DRUGS"
If Biden started paying for buses to transport immigrants north, the Rs would have a meltdown. You know that is true. HOW DARE HE USE TAX MONEY TO ILLEGALLY TRANSPORT IMMIGRANTS they would scream just minutes after defending DeSantis doing the same
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 10:43:58 AM
Or are you denying the federal government does not have more powers where immigration and borders are concerned?
It's less about Hannity and more about sending a message to the elites who ignore the border, an issue Democrats have stalled on. New Mexicans understand the border issue. New Yorkers and Washington libs don't. Time to put their money where their mouth is.
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 10:52:27 AM
Neither DeSantis or Abbott are president or have Republican federal governments. Why are you comparing state power with federal power? States lack power in what they can do with borders, which are obviously federal issues.
I don't know whom to vote for.
On one hand, stronger borders are needed. Please finish the wall.
Some days I think I'll vote Abbott, other days I think I should vote Beto.
Which is it?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 10:56:30 AM
Immigration and borders are a federal responsibility, not a state one. But if Beto were in charge he would probably make attempts to soften the border issue and do jack shit with the illegals. At least Abbott is doing something, although it's not clean. Biden's administration is doing jack shit with the border so thankfully we have Republicans in charge doing what they can.
Federal powers are the ones that allocate resources. Resources that Biden and his Twitter administration aren't allocating to the border. They are forcing Abbott to do this with their negligence.
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 11:03:53 AM
A mix of the two.
Immigration and borders are a federal responsibility, not a state one. But if Beto were in charge he would probably make attempts to soften the border issue and do jack shit with the illegals.
What policy platform of his supports this theory? Is he running on a tear down the wall campaign?
At least Abbott is doing something, although it's not clean.
What indication is there that busing people north will encourage people in Venezuela to stay there?
Do you think the economic sanctions put in place by Trump have decreased or increased the amount of people fleeing Venezuela to the US?
Federal powers are the ones that allocate resources. Resources that Biden and his Twitter administration aren't allocating to the border. They are forcing Abbott to do this with their negligence.
Would you support a federal busing program?
And finally, looking at this chart, can you please identify which years had a D president, and which years had a D republican governor of Texas? Would you say that border crossings increase or decrease under R leadership?
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/c552NbMaSOFyxHMaOH1v9AFZLCXnoB4tqjCA8fXz6MIV7jbNdhk25XBMumiDI0RZHSy_3BwPwslWMBK9ax7AxytIAj1PNhLIrvZtMnk1kyCr0f4BZwqn5CeN2iceN8imy_2ToBsN)
Post by: Uncle on September 19, 2022, 11:06:34 AM
If Biden started paying for buses to transport immigrants north, the Rs would have a meltdown. You know that is true. HOW DARE HE USE TAX MONEY TO ILLEGALLY TRANSPORT IMMIGRANTS they would scream just minutes after defending DeSantis doing the same
I agree, biden should be doing it because I'm worried that texas and florida won't be able to sustain it on their own
a) if there really is an issue and it's too many people to reliably handle daily, then it needs to continue happening long-term so the states receiving them would start to recognize it and perhaps prompt federal action to help shore up any shortcomings
b) if there is no issue, then if the entire process could be done aboveboard, the states receiving them should have an easy time dealing with them and welcome them into their communities
it's a win-win
Post by: BIONIC on September 19, 2022, 11:21:53 AM
Naturally. Once your brain has twisted itself into a pretzel, it's virtually impossible to untwist.
You know the saying, you can lead a Republican to the facts but you can't make make them think.
Most Americans agree with me on immigration, foreigner. :)
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Post by: benjipwns on September 19, 2022, 11:22:23 AM
Did I claim all illegal immigrants are bad people?No, I do not think a person should have to get everyone else's permission to invite someone onto their property. Nor do I think that someone should have to get everyone else's permission to travel to a person's property.
No.
But I don't know who they are.
...
An uncontrolled border leads to sex slavery, human trafficking, human smuggling, drug smuggling, violence, and an entire swarm of humanitarian violations.
How is this not contradicting NAP?
Why should I just trust people to come into my state without being checked just because I will be accused of being racist from by people far, far away from the issue who don't have to deal with it?
Are you fine letting robbers rob houses too? Or are you more fine with calling them "visitors"? Some are migrants, some aren't but all are illegal immigrants
You're saying you aren't saying immigrants are bad people but you want to treat them inherently as convicted criminals still serving sentences, a standard to which you do not hold the Americans who are the source of nearly all crimes against Americans. Your very same argument would justify the creation of internal passports and checkpoints to prevent the movement of Americans who could do you harm who you do not know who they are were such things not forbidden by the Constitution. Why should you "just trust people to come into [your] state without being checked" just because they were born in America?
You are further arguing that things that should not be crimes like drugs being crimes justifies the creation of further crimes and greater enforcement by pointing to the first set of crimes. And then pointing to the problems created by this draconian enforcement as further justification for more draconian enforcement. An endless one-way ratchet to make Americans suffer merely to slightly please xenophobes and authoritarians who will never be happy.
Post by: benjipwns on September 19, 2022, 12:13:40 PM
The wall should be only one form deterrence and it's precisely why it's not the only thing I listed as border security in my last post. I just consider it one form of border security, like one of the many tools in my pocket knife.
A non solution.But nothing you're complaining about is significantly coming across the vacant land along the Mexican border. A wall there is security theater. How is a wall going to stop all the people overstaying the expired visas? You want more security at the checkpoints to do what? Stand there and look menacing as we wave everyone through? Or do you actually want all the border traffic halted for long background checks and extensive searches of everything? Or everyone who comes in the country to have a minder of some kind?
Similarly, conservatives are proposing one of many deterrances for illegal immigrants. A wall is just one of those deterrants. What's the solution or alternative liberals got? "A wall is stupid." Yeah? I posted that the cartel evades a wall if it's erected but at least it's something. What do you propose that's better?
Is what you're really asking for to somehow seal the borders more or less permanently? But oddly just one part of it and under the impression that a wall would somehow do this? This makes it all sound like just the politician's syllogism. Wouldn't a better proposal be to just unfuck the entire absurd system that exists solely to suppress free trade?
Post by: Nintex on September 19, 2022, 12:47:30 PM
Hungary put up a fence and deports anyone who enters illegally, Poland is building a wall along the border with Belarus.
Israel is basically walls with houses in between and after they closed those borders the number of terror attacks greatly decreased.
If you make it harder to cross fewer people will cross. However, the Mexicans sending their army to the border to please Trump was also very effective.
Post by: Propagandhim on September 19, 2022, 01:05:52 PM
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 01:23:54 PM
However, the Mexicans sending their army to the border to please Trump was also very effective.
That army surge was in 2019, which if you look at the chart I posted above that you keep ignoring, had the highest amount of border crossings since 2007 when Bush was president (Bush also ran on a wall campaign).
The border between Mexico and Guatemala is 541 miles along a river in the jungle.
The border between Israel and Gaza is 51 miles along a desert
Post by: Nintex on September 19, 2022, 01:34:44 PM
You can put up a knee high fence to mark your garden or block a road and 99% of the people will walk around it.
Only a very few will attempt to jump over it. If you don't have a barrier around your garden it will get trampled and all your beautiful flowers will be messed up.
In COVID times all it took to guide people was arrows on the floor.
That could also work, just paint arrows of where the migrants should walk that lead back into Mexico. :rollsafe
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 01:42:18 PM
Naturally. Once your brain has twisted itself into a pretzel, it's virtually impossible to untwist.
You know the saying, you can lead a Republican to the facts but you can't make make them think.
Most Americans agree with me on immigration, foreigner. :)
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Yeah, and we are right about illegal immigrants. You're a Nazi for supporting strong borders? USA is not Europe. Any Nazi comparisons are eye roll worthy and lazy. I'm combating Occam's lazy rhetoric that I am wrong when the country I live in agrees with me: Democrats on abortion and healthcare, GOP on security and foreign policy.
Post by: Propagandhim on September 19, 2022, 01:45:13 PM
:trumps
Post by: Nintex on September 19, 2022, 01:53:16 PM
So friends of Erdogan sell those poor people leaky boats that can only make it half way.
To travel from Libya and Turkey by land you either have to take your chances on the Turk/Greek border or move through Ukraine.
This will surely help with the approval ratings
https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474 (https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474)
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 01:57:46 PM
I thought the Democrats supported legal entry for migrants? So why let them cross such unsafe territory to America? Nope. Finish the wall and force them through CBP. When immigrants in the past came to America they came through legal channels, namely Ellis Island. Build a wall and make a new Ellis Island like port on the southern border for people to get through legally and welcome to America. If they wanna come, they gotta do it right. End of.
I won't let the left redefine this word and label all illegal immigrants "migrants". I won't and I will not let them.
Post by: Propagandhim on September 19, 2022, 01:59:43 PM
Because Italy's problem is ships. NGO's use big ships to pick up the migrants in their small and leaky boats and bring them to Europe.
So friends of Erdogan sell those poor people leaky boats that can only make it half way.
This will surely help with the approval ratings
https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474 (https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474)
No, it's the infrastructure to temporarily house and relocate migrants that you refuse to subsidize. And lot of those NGOs are your boats: Google Sea-Watch 3. You guys are nestled away in a part of Europe with the strictest immigration policies, and you wouldn't take 47 migrants into your country that you rescued from YOUR FUCKING BOAT, while Italy takes in thousands upon thousands every year. Go fuck yourself with this American protectionist shit. :lol I swear, you have to be on meds to put up with Dutch arrogance. :lol
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 02:02:56 PM
Because Italy's problem is ships. NGO's use big ships to pick up the migrants in their small and leaky boats and bring them to Europe.
So friends of Erdogan sell those poor people leaky boats that can only make it half way.
To travel from Libya and Turkey by land you either have to take your chances on the Turk/Greek border or move through Ukraine.
This will surely help with the approval ratings
https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474 (https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474)
Another day, another Democratic "solution". And that solution of course is ignoring the problem because haha, there is no problem. As much as I hate him I really should have voted Trump. We are in the hands of a geriatric with dementia whose administration is staffed with Twitter addled fa**ots. Far from the centrist he campaigned on.
Post by: Nintex on September 19, 2022, 02:37:48 PM
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 02:45:34 PM
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 02:45:37 PM
To fix inflation we need to print more money jack :derp
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Inflation in the Netherlands rose to above ten per cent for the first time since 1975 last month, the country's statistics agency said on Thursday.
Prices were 10.3% higher in July 2022 compared to the previous year. Inflation in the month of June was at 8.6%.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/08/04/inflation-in-netherlands-above-10-for-first-time-in-nearly-47-years
Joe really gets around. How does the guy manage to preside over so many economies?
Post by: Propagandhim on September 19, 2022, 02:46:33 PM
Because Italy's problem is ships. NGO's use big ships to pick up the migrants in their small and leaky boats and bring them to Europe.
So friends of Erdogan sell those poor people leaky boats that can only make it half way.
To travel from Libya and Turkey by land you either have to take your chances on the Turk/Greek border or move through Ukraine.
This will surely help with the approval ratings
https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474 (https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474)
Another day, another Democratic "solution". And that solution of course is ignoring the problem because haha, there is no problem. As much as I hate him I really should have voted Trump. We are in the hands of a geriatric with dementia whose administration is staffed with Twitter addled fa**ots. Far from the centrist he campaigned on.
The Fed is run by a fiscally conservative Republican. Increasing rates is exactly what he would do in a Republican admin.
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 02:50:46 PM
Because Italy's problem is ships. NGO's use big ships to pick up the migrants in their small and leaky boats and bring them to Europe.
So friends of Erdogan sell those poor people leaky boats that can only make it half way.
To travel from Libya and Turkey by land you either have to take your chances on the Turk/Greek border or move through Ukraine.
This will surely help with the approval ratings
https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474 (https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474)
Another day, another Democratic "solution". And that solution of course is ignoring the problem because haha, there is no problem. As much as I hate him I really should have voted Trump. We are in the hands of a geriatric with dementia whose administration is staffed with Twitter addled fa**ots. Far from the centrist he campaigned on.
The Fed is run by a fiscally conservative Republican. Increasing rates is exactly what he would do in a Republican admin.
Shhhhhh, this thread is devoted to feelings not facts
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The current chair is Jerome Powell, who was sworn in on February 5, 2018.He was nominated to the position by President Donald Trump on November 2, 2017 and later confirmed by the Senate. He was nominated for a second four-year term by President Joe Biden, later confirmed by the Senate and sworn in on May 23, 2022.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chair_of_the_Federal_Reserve
Post by: Nintex on September 19, 2022, 02:53:55 PM
Our crooked government has an approval rating of 15% :idontTo fix inflation we need to print more money jack :derpQuoteInflation in the Netherlands rose to above ten per cent for the first time since 1975 last month, the country's statistics agency said on Thursday.
Prices were 10.3% higher in July 2022 compared to the previous year. Inflation in the month of June was at 8.6%.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/08/04/inflation-in-netherlands-above-10-for-first-time-in-nearly-47-years
Joe really gets around. How does the guy manage to preside over so many economies?
Post by: Propagandhim on September 19, 2022, 03:02:56 PM
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 03:10:24 PM
Because Italy's problem is ships. NGO's use big ships to pick up the migrants in their small and leaky boats and bring them to Europe.
So friends of Erdogan sell those poor people leaky boats that can only make it half way.
To travel from Libya and Turkey by land you either have to take your chances on the Turk/Greek border or move through Ukraine.
This will surely help with the approval ratings
https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474 (https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474)
Another day, another Democratic "solution". And that solution of course is ignoring the problem because haha, there is no problem. As much as I hate him I really should have voted Trump. We are in the hands of a geriatric with dementia whose administration is staffed with Twitter addled fa**ots. Far from the centrist he campaigned on.
The Fed is run by a fiscally conservative Republican. Increasing rates is exactly what he would do in a Republican admin.
Granted, I'm not knowledgeable about economy. I'm not an expert. All I know and see is that the President and Democrats are pretending it's not a problem, which I know a Republican admin wouldn't do because that's what they're strong on.
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 03:33:20 PM
Granted, I'm not knowledgeable about economy. I'm not an expert. All I know and see is that the President and Democrats are pretending it's not a problem, which I know a Republican admin wouldn't do because that's what they're strong on.
Let's not rewrite history.
Trump:
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Stock Markets Crash as Trump Insists Coronavirus Fears Are “Fake News”
The Dow Jones fell 1,700 points and counting.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/global-markets-crash-coronavirus-oil-trump
Bush:
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The Dow Jones Industrial Average sustained its biggest point drop in history and its biggest closing decline since the day the markets re-opened after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The Dow, which had opened sharply lower on fears of more possible bank failures, finished the day down 7%, with a 777.68 point drop to 10365.45. Losses to shares on the broader Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 index amounted, on paper, to $1.2 trillion -- eclipsing the size of the proposed bailout package. The Nasdaq Stock Market finished down 9.1%.https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122270285663785991
The widely watched VIX index, a measure of market volatility often called "the fear index," closed at its highest levels in its 28-year history. In early trading in Asia Tuesday, Japan's Nikkei was off 4.5%, and other markets also were down.
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 03:53:52 PM
Granted, I'm not knowledgeable about economy. I'm not an expert. All I know and see is that the President and Democrats are pretending it's not a problem, which I know a Republican admin wouldn't do because that's what they're strong on.
Let's not rewrite history.
Trump:QuoteStock Markets Crash as Trump Insists Coronavirus Fears Are “Fake News”
The Dow Jones fell 1,700 points and counting.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/global-markets-crash-coronavirus-oil-trump
Bush:QuoteThe Dow Jones Industrial Average sustained its biggest point drop in history and its biggest closing decline since the day the markets re-opened after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The Dow, which had opened sharply lower on fears of more possible bank failures, finished the day down 7%, with a 777.68 point drop to 10365.45. Losses to shares on the broader Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 index amounted, on paper, to $1.2 trillion -- eclipsing the size of the proposed bailout package. The Nasdaq Stock Market finished down 9.1%.https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122270285663785991
The widely watched VIX index, a measure of market volatility often called "the fear index," closed at its highest levels in its 28-year history. In early trading in Asia Tuesday, Japan's Nikkei was off 4.5%, and other markets also were down.
Say what you want, but Trump was correct on his Covid policy in the long term. States like Florida and Texas proved him right too. Blue states over corrected with Covid and their economies have paid the price. That isn't Trump denying Covid's existence, it's Trump denying Covid from impacting the economy by creating sanctions and lockdowns. Trump has been proven correct to do so.
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 03:55:49 PM
Joe Biden is not the World Economic Arbiter. Every nation of Europe has above a ~9% threshhold inflation rate, with energy averaging 40%, and non-energy industrial goods increasing to 7%+. You can read the fed monetary reports to understand what's to be done: https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases.htm -- these problems are global and require a global amelioration effort. Everyone has the same solution for the same problem -- it just takes time. It'll happen. Markets are still expected to drop at the expectation of rate increases, but there's nothing you can do about it. There's a general consensus among economists that forecasts 0+ GDP growth in the fourth quarter and ~1% growth next year, down about half a percentage point from expectations -- that's what this stuff is about. We're dealing with fractions of a percentage point and slow changes over years. This is just the way it is. Playing the blame game with partisan politics doesn't make any sense. It's not like one party knows what to do and the other doesn't -- the externalities of the world are dealt with the same way by both. Buy treasuries if you're feeling the pain -- the yields are making record gains. Brace and wait out the lows. Short-term pain. We're all in this together - stop being tribal shitheads.
I'm not being tribal. I give both parties shit. It doesn't change the fact that Democratic Party messaging on inflation is God awful and proves their streak for elitist ivory tower horse shit. It takes their problems and make them even more unlikable.
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 04:11:09 PM
Blue states over corrected with Covid and their economies have paid the price.
What exactly is your mental process when it comes to making shit up? Where do you get your lies from, and why do you think its ok to repeat them?
Here is GDP data from Q4 2019 (pre covid) to Q4 2021 (post covid).
The top states were:
New Hampshire 8.5%
Utah 7.2%
Washington 7.1%
California 6.1%
Tennessee 6.1%
The worst states were
North Dakota -2.5%
Louisiana -2.8%
Hawaii -4.4%
Alaska -5.6%
Wyoming -5.6%
To prevent any confusion, I must note that North Dakota, Louisiana, Alaska and Wyoming were R states with minimal covid restrictions.
Source:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2022/05/17/us-gdp-by-state-and-fastest-growing-states-by-gdp-growth/?sh=29dc46d65a72
Scroll down to second chart (2 year).
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 04:40:11 PM
Blue states over corrected with Covid and their economies have paid the price.
What exactly is your mental process when it comes to making shit up? Where do you get your lies from, and why do you think its ok to repeat them?
Here is GDP data from Q4 2019 (pre covid) to Q4 2021 (post covid).
The top states were:
New Hampshire 8.5%
Utah 7.2%
Washington 7.1%
California 6.1%
Tennessee 6.1%
The worst states were
North Dakota -2.5%
Louisiana -2.8%
Hawaii -4.4%
Alaska -5.6%
Wyoming -5.6%
To prevent any confusion, I must note that North Dakota, Louisiana, Alaska and Wyoming were R states with minimal covid restrictions.
Source:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2022/05/17/us-gdp-by-state-and-fastest-growing-states-by-gdp-growth/?sh=29dc46d65a72
Scroll down to second chart (2 year).
You'd do a lot better asking me where I got my data rather than outright insulting me like the liberal elitist I know you are. Keep proving me right, James.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/red-states-winning-post-pandemic-economy-migration-11657030536?mod=hp_lead_pos5
and
https://www.politico.com/interactives/2021/covid-by-the-numbers-how-each-state-fared-on-our-pandemic-scorecard/
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Here are some core takeaways:
States that imposed more restrictions such as stay-at-home orders and mask requirements did experience lower rates of death and hospitalizations. But they also tended to have worse economic and educational outcomes.
States whose economies are heavily dependent on tourism suffered the most economically, with Hawaii and Nevada hit hardest.
No state did well in every policy area.
Overall, rural states tended to fare better than more urbanized states on economic and educational outcomes. Many rural states, despite being less densely populated, ranked poorly in health outcomes, however.
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The scorecard suggests states that had fewer shutdowns and more rural geography tended to fare better economically than more urban states that imposed more public health restrictions.
States that shut down only briefly – or not at all – rebounded far quicker than those that remained closed. Many of the states that did not issue orders directing residents to refrain from participating in nonessential activities – including Arkansas, Iowa, Nebraska, South Dakota and Utah – had better-than-average economic outcomes on the scorecard.
Again, a state’s political orientation appears to have played a role; eight of the top 10 states in the economic category voted for Trump and were led by Republican governors. All 10 of the bottom states on the economy voted for Biden and nearly all have Democratic governors.
It also appears to matter whether a state was hit hard early in the pandemic. For the most part, states impacted by the first wave of the pandemic — including New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island and New Jersey — were slower to lift lockdown measures and have had a more sluggish economic recovery.
“You basically had winners and losers chosen early in the pandemic,” said Jason Straczewski, vice president of government relations and political affairs for the National Retail Federation.
States heavily reliant on tourism suffered the worst. Hawaii and Nevada, which cite tourism as a key driver of state economic revenue, ranked at the bottom, with Hawaii earning 0 out of 100 points for its economy. Average monthly unemployment levels there quadrupled over pre-pandemic levels.
The question is where are you getting your info? This is considered fact at this point. Covid restrictions have fucked blue states and their economic recovery as well as education prospects of their children.
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 04:41:11 PM
so, again: why does anyone want to stop desantis from sending people up north?
https://twitter.com/MarisaKabas/status/1571849207174123522
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 04:42:37 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/democrats-botched-public-school-covid-policy/621183/
:crowdlaff
In the midst of the aftermath one has to reason that Trump and the red state reaction to Covid were right.
Post by: Propagandhim on September 19, 2022, 04:45:44 PM
Because Italy's problem is ships. NGO's use big ships to pick up the migrants in their small and leaky boats and bring them to Europe.
So friends of Erdogan sell those poor people leaky boats that can only make it half way.
To travel from Libya and Turkey by land you either have to take your chances on the Turk/Greek border or move through Ukraine.
This will surely help with the approval ratings
https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474 (https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474)
Another day, another Democratic "solution". And that solution of course is ignoring the problem because haha, there is no problem. As much as I hate him I really should have voted Trump. We are in the hands of a geriatric with dementia whose administration is staffed with Twitter addled fa**ots. Far from the centrist he campaigned on.
The Fed is run by a fiscally conservative Republican. Increasing rates is exactly what he would do in a Republican admin.
Granted, I'm not knowledgeable about economy. I'm not an expert. All I know and see is that the President and Democrats are pretending it's not a problem, which I know a Republican admin wouldn't do because that's what they're strong on.
Joe Biden is not the World Economic Arbiter. Every nation of Europe has above a ~9% threshhold inflation rate, with energy averaging 40%, and non-energy industrial goods increasing to 7%+. You can read the fed monetary reports to understand what's to be done: https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases.htm -- these problems are global and require a global amelioration effort. Everyone has the same solution for the same problem -- it just takes time. It'll happen. Markets are still expected to drop at the expectation of rate increases, but there's nothing you can do about it. There's a general consensus among economists that forecasts 0+ GDP growth in the fourth quarter and ~1% growth next year, down about half a percentage point from expectations -- that's what this stuff is about. We're dealing with fractions of a percentage point and slow changes over years. This is just the way it is. Playing the blame game with partisan politics doesn't make any sense. It's not like one party knows what to do and the other doesn't -- the externalities of the world are dealt with the same way by both. Buy treasuries if you're feeling the pain -- the yields are making record gains. Brace and wait out the lows. Short-term pain. We're all in this together - stop being tribal shitheads.
I'm not being tribal. I give both parties shit. It doesn't change the fact that Democratic Party messaging on inflation is God awful and proves their streak for elitist ivory tower horse shit. It takes their problems and make them even more unlikable.
Joe Biden is not the World Economic Arbiter. Every nation of Europe has above a ~9% threshhold inflation rate, with energy averaging 40%, and non-energy industrial goods increasing to 7%+. You can read the fed monetary reports to understand what's to be done: https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases.htm -- these problems are global and require a global amelioration effort. Everyone has the same solution for the same problem -- it just takes time. It'll happen. Markets are still expected to drop at the expectation of rate increases, but there's nothing you can do about it. There's a general consensus among economists that forecasts 0+ GDP growth in the fourth quarter and ~1% growth next year, down about half a percentage point from expectations -- that's what this stuff is about. We're dealing with fractions of a percentage point and slow changes over years. This is just the way it is. Playing the blame game with partisan politics doesn't make any sense. It's not like one party knows what to do and the other doesn't -- the externalities of the world are dealt with the same way by both. Buy treasuries if you're feeling the pain -- the yields are making record gains. Brace and wait out the lows. Short-term pain. We're all in this together - stop being tribal shitheads.
I'm not being tribal. I give both parties shit. It doesn't change the fact that Democratic Party messaging on inflation is God awful and proves their streak for elitist ivory tower horse shit. It takes their problems and make them even more unlikable.
Deep breaths, Propagandhim. Deep breaths.
There's no such thing as a government that's not strong on the economy, which is why every Central Bank is independently run and apolitical. We split the atom 100 years ago, you don't think we're able to figure out the equation that determines what grows the economy and what doesn't? Everyone subscribes to the same model - keep inflation low while allowing businesses to take out the maximum amount of money to grow sectors of the economy. Allow capital to have inherent growth to incentivize money-on-hand and debt reduction. Keep income inequality as tight as possible to soak up the labor curve and avoid political distress. Invest in human capital by creating a social security net while incentivizing risk and wealth creation. As simplistic as this chart is, it really does represent the truth: average GDP growth over Republican/Democratic administrations norms across global capital booms.
(https://imgur.com/qonKTXm.jpg)
What do you take away from this chart? Do you think Kennedy and Bill Clinton's administration specifically figured out what grew an economy, and the subsequent administrations threw out that conventional wisdom? The economy grew 30 million jobs in 8 years and 35% gdp growth under Clinton. We can see a very simple causal link between investment in the middle class that reduced unemployment -- but then why doesn't everyone just invest in the middle class?
Clinton is a perfect microcosm on why thinking about political parties during economic boons is short-sighted. During Clinton's tenure, the strength of the labor market was unprecedented, median household income in real dollars reached a peak that we still haven't recovered from, and the poverty rate reached an all-time low which we also haven't recovered from. Let's look back at the 70's: Reagan and the Fed were tasked and succeeded in taming inflation with a brief recession in '82. You might've heard about 'trickle down' - His supply-side policies focused on tax-cuts from the top and rolling back Johnson's welfare programs that were an albatross in the 70s inflationary economy. The market crashes in 1987 and inflation skyrockets in the 1990s, which prompted interest rate hikes and a new recession in the Bush years. When Clinton took over, he reversed the budget deficits that Reagan created, which allowed the new Fed chairman, Alan Greenspan, enough room to keep interest rates low, which encouraged unemployment to fall. When interest rates fall, the amount of private sector savings that goes into buying federal debt reduces, instead it increases the amount of private sector investment. So unemployment kept falling and private business investment soared. Increased private investment increased labor productivity, combined with labor scarcity, and wages were pushed up. Median incomes rose, and poverty fell. This created deficit reduction. Great. But deficit reduction isn't always the right economic strategy for the time - it was for this circumstance. A low interest rate, specifically in the 90s, was especially and specifically effective at deficit reduction. Republicans say that the credit truly belongs to Ronald Reagan, because his supply-side economics created a great wave of entrepreneurial-technological innovation that transformed and restructured the economy - he engendered a kind of fortunate circumstance that allowed the US to take advantage of the serendipity of global phenomena like the internet and easy communication and set up for cheap globalized manufacturing, which resulted in a lot of prosperity that continued. Democrats point to Clinton's policies of deficit reduction. The truth is that they're both right - it's a causal chain of events from multiple administrations. Clinton raised marginal tax rates on the highest-income Americans -- Reaganite supply-siders thought that was economically disastrous and it was uniformly opposed by Republicans, but as we know now the economy was much more prosperous after this than it was during the years Reagan was actually in office and taxes were lower. But whose to argue that Reagan's investments in the private sector didn't enabled this? What many Republicans make of Clinton's tenure is that he was simply fortunate in his timing with insane stock valuations because of burgeoning global phenomenon like the internet, and clearly the high prices lifted the economy for anyone invested in the markets. It was called "The Clinton bubble", where the market was fueled by aggressive financial deregulatory policies from Clinton and Greenspan -- huge sums of cash from IPO underwriting that investment banks were engaged in persuaded the administration to open up the market to new competition from commercial banks. So commercial banks are lending out more money to a booming middle class, thanks to market surges. It's capitalism, money begets more money for bursts of time. But for the past 10 years prior to this bursting era, the United States and other rich European countries suffered from a shortfall in aggregate demand (aggregate demand is the measure of total demand for goods and services) - a situation in which even very low interest rates do not induce either full employment or inflation. So Reagan could not have employed this strategy of cutting rates to any success until those market surges, but he contributed to those market surges. It simply does not make sense to put tons of stock in economic policy from the lens of short-term partisan politics. Normally during interest rate cuts fears about inflation curbs growth. But Clinton's policies dealt with fears through trade agreements and extra participation from a workforce that was incentivized by certain social security policies, and things like childcare investment (thanks to a booming global economy and revolutions in economic communication, transfer, and travel of globalization). A good economy begets good results -- and allowed Clinton to tackle the Reagan-era structural deficit. What's the takeaway from this? That Keynesian (keynesians economics is a belief that the government can stabilize the economy with countercyclical fiscal policy - like lowering taxes to stimulate aggregate demand) economics that handle budget deficit is the key to economic growth, right? That Reagan should not have cut taxes to create a large structural budget deficit and Clinton's push for a deficit reduction is the key? Actually, no. Over the past 15 years, it's been the complete opposite. Interest rates and inflation stayed low during the economy of the early to mid aughts, as George W. Bush brought budget deficits back (the deficits were created by fiscal stimulus) and he cited the Clinton surplus as evidence that taxes were too high, which drove the U.S. budget into the red. When Obama took over, he called deficit reduction, " balanced budget fetishism" during the Global Financial Crisis, because global factors out of his control wouldn't allow him to get a handle on it -- much of economic policy is a non-partisan group asking themselves "What options do we have?" not, "What would this Democrat/Republican administration want?" Because they don't control the major factors of the economy -- which is why the same problems remain extant over many years and exist globally. When the Asian financial crisis hit in the late 90s, it was devastating to east asian and south-east asian markets -- everyone thought that devastation would transfer to the US, but the result was actually very minimal. Their currency collapsed so our exports to them fell sharply, right? Well most U.S. industries experienced export decline
to Asia, but the decline in export demand had no noticeable impact. And for the most part, we learned that imports from Asia do not compete directly with U.S. production. Therefore, an appreciation in the dollar with respect to Asian currencies leads to gains in consumption with little or no domestic pain. Creating an economy that transactionally behaves like this with Asia is a great situation right? Thanks to the experience of the 90s it was fantastic. Thanks to the experience of 2022, it's fucking terrible. Supply chain issues and an energy crisis compound and beget more problems. What specific administration is responsible for engendering this causal chain of events? Who set up the economy to function like this? 90% of it is outside an administration of 4-8 years' control and periphery of credit/blame.
All of this wall of text is already well understood by every government on earth -- that's fiscal policy is complex and inherited from causal factors over long periods of time and global. This is why every Central Bank in every advanced economy is insulated from short-term political pressures by being given a degree of autonomy outside of the legislature. Otherwise, they'd do things like enacting excessive expansionary monetary policy to lower unemployment in the short term, to fuck over the next administration, and say "see? look what these dipshits did!" There isn't one side that cares more or even knows more about fixing the economy than the other, nobody is that prescient. All the information we have is being utilized in the exact way as intended per the short window of time.
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 04:47:29 PM
The question is where are you getting your info? This is considered fact at this point. Covid restrictions have fucked blue states and their economic recovery as well as education prospects of their children.
I am comparing GDP - a standard, tracked metric that displays a hard number while you are using "Moody’s Analytics developed an index of 13 metrics, including the value of goods and services produced, employment, retail sales and new-home listings. "
AKA: Throw everything into a pot until you get the message you want.
Like what does "new home listings" even show? If its high, does it mean everyone is fleeing the state in droves, or does it mean that Tollhouse is cranking out homes by the thousands?
And unemployment rate also says very little on its own. North Dakota has ALWAYS had a low rate...because no one wants to fucking live there. They need to pay people $150k to dig holes for oil.
I mean come on, look at this shit:
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At the Ohana Institute, a private school in Florida’s Panhandle, for kindergarten through 12th grade, the waiting list for students grew from 95 just before the pandemic to 393 last fall, Executive Director Lettye Burgtorf said.
LOL, imagine thinking that is data
The politico article is even worse because at no point does it even try to explain what metrics they used. Do you know what a black box is? Im sure Professor Benjamin would be happy to school you on that.
Post by: Occam on September 19, 2022, 04:54:38 PM
He's not going to read or comprehend this, and it will have no effect on the way he thinks.
Pearls and all that.
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 04:58:02 PM
@Propagandhim
He's not going to read or comprehend this, and it will have no effect on the way he thinks.
Pearls and all that.
He will have moved on to the next talking points.
Immigrants->inflation->masks I think CRT is next?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 05:01:06 PM
Because Italy's problem is ships. NGO's use big ships to pick up the migrants in their small and leaky boats and bring them to Europe.
So friends of Erdogan sell those poor people leaky boats that can only make it half way.
To travel from Libya and Turkey by land you either have to take your chances on the Turk/Greek border or move through Ukraine.
This will surely help with the approval ratings
https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474 (https://twitter.com/wallstmemes/status/1571887396869865474)
Another day, another Democratic "solution". And that solution of course is ignoring the problem because haha, there is no problem. As much as I hate him I really should have voted Trump. We are in the hands of a geriatric with dementia whose administration is staffed with Twitter addled fa**ots. Far from the centrist he campaigned on.
The Fed is run by a fiscally conservative Republican. Increasing rates is exactly what he would do in a Republican admin.
Granted, I'm not knowledgeable about economy. I'm not an expert. All I know and see is that the President and Democrats are pretending it's not a problem, which I know a Republican admin wouldn't do because that's what they're strong on.Joe Biden is not the World Economic Arbiter. Every nation of Europe has above a ~9% threshhold inflation rate, with energy averaging 40%, and non-energy industrial goods increasing to 7%+. You can read the fed monetary reports to understand what's to be done: https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases.htm -- these problems are global and require a global amelioration effort. Everyone has the same solution for the same problem -- it just takes time. It'll happen. Markets are still expected to drop at the expectation of rate increases, but there's nothing you can do about it. There's a general consensus among economists that forecasts 0+ GDP growth in the fourth quarter and ~1% growth next year, down about half a percentage point from expectations -- that's what this stuff is about. We're dealing with fractions of a percentage point and slow changes over years. This is just the way it is. Playing the blame game with partisan politics doesn't make any sense. It's not like one party knows what to do and the other doesn't -- the externalities of the world are dealt with the same way by both. Buy treasuries if you're feeling the pain -- the yields are making record gains. Brace and wait out the lows. Short-term pain. We're all in this together - stop being tribal shitheads.
I'm not being tribal. I give both parties shit. It doesn't change the fact that Democratic Party messaging on inflation is God awful and proves their streak for elitist ivory tower horse shit. It takes their problems and make them even more unlikable.Joe Biden is not the World Economic Arbiter. Every nation of Europe has above a ~9% threshhold inflation rate, with energy averaging 40%, and non-energy industrial goods increasing to 7%+. You can read the fed monetary reports to understand what's to be done: https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases.htm -- these problems are global and require a global amelioration effort. Everyone has the same solution for the same problem -- it just takes time. It'll happen. Markets are still expected to drop at the expectation of rate increases, but there's nothing you can do about it. There's a general consensus among economists that forecasts 0+ GDP growth in the fourth quarter and ~1% growth next year, down about half a percentage point from expectations -- that's what this stuff is about. We're dealing with fractions of a percentage point and slow changes over years. This is just the way it is. Playing the blame game with partisan politics doesn't make any sense. It's not like one party knows what to do and the other doesn't -- the externalities of the world are dealt with the same way by both. Buy treasuries if you're feeling the pain -- the yields are making record gains. Brace and wait out the lows. Short-term pain. We're all in this together - stop being tribal shitheads.
I'm not being tribal. I give both parties shit. It doesn't change the fact that Democratic Party messaging on inflation is God awful and proves their streak for elitist ivory tower horse shit. It takes their problems and make them even more unlikable.
Deep breaths, Propagandhim. Deep breaths.
There's no such thing as a government that's not strong on the economy, which is why every Central Bank is independently run and apolitical. We split the atom 100 years ago, you don't think we're able to figure out the equation that determines what grows the economy and what doesn't? Everyone subscribes to the same model - keep inflation low while allowing businesses to take out the maximum amount of money to grow sectors of the economy. Allow capital to have inherent growth to incentivize money-on-hand and debt reduction. Keep income inequality as tight as possible to soak up the labor curve and avoid political distress. Invest in human capital by creating a social security net while incentivizing risk and wealth creation. As simplistic as this chart is, it really does represent the truth: average GDP growth over Republican/Democratic administrations norms across global capital booms.
(https://imgur.com/qonKTXm.jpg)
What do you take away from this chart? Do you think Kennedy and Bill Clinton's administration specifically figured out what grew an economy, and the subsequent administrations threw out that conventional wisdom? The economy grew 30 million jobs in 8 years and 35% gdp growth under Clinton. We can see a very simple causal link between investment in the middle class that reduced unemployment -- but then why doesn't everyone just invest in the middle class?
Clinton is a perfect microcosm on why thinking about political parties during economic boons is short-sighted. During Clinton's tenure, the strength of the labor market was unprecedented, median household income in real dollars reached a peak that we still haven't recovered from, and the poverty rate reached an all-time low which we also haven't recovered from. Let's look back at the 70's: Reagan and the Fed were tasked and succeeded in taming inflation with a brief recession in '82. You might've heard about 'trickle down' - His supply-side policies focused on tax-cuts from the top and rolling back Johnson's welfare programs that were an albatross in the 70s inflationary economy. The market crashes in 1987 and inflation skyrockets in the 1990s, which prompted interest rate hikes and a new recession in the Bush years. When Clinton took over, he reversed the budget deficits that Reagan created, which allowed the new Fed chairman, Alan Greenspan, enough room to keep interest rates low, which encouraged unemployment to fall. When interest rates fall, the amount of private sector savings that goes into buying federal debt reduces, instead it increases the amount of private sector investment. So unemployment kept falling and private business investment soared. Increased private investment increased labor productivity, combined with labor scarcity, and wages were pushed up. Median incomes rose, and poverty fell. This created deficit reduction. Great. But deficit reduction isn't always the right economic strategy for the time - it was for this circumstance. A low interest rate, specifically in the 90s, was especially and specifically effective at deficit reduction. Republicans say that the credit truly belongs to Ronald Reagan, because his supply-side economics created a great wave of entrepreneurial-technological innovation that transformed and restructured the economy - he engendered a kind of fortunate circumstance that allowed the US to take advantage of the serendipity of global phenomena like the internet and easy communication and set up for cheap globalized manufacturing, which resulted in a lot of prosperity that continued. Democrats point to Clinton's policies of deficit reduction. The truth is that they're both right - it's a causal chain of events from multiple administrations. Clinton raised marginal tax rates on the highest-income Americans -- Reaganite supply-siders thought that was economically disastrous and it was uniformly opposed by Republicans, but as we know now the economy was much more prosperous after this than it was during the years Reagan was actually in office and taxes were lower. But whose to argue that Reagan's investments in the private sector didn't enabled this? What many Republicans make of Clinton's tenure is that he was simply fortunate in his timing with insane stock valuations because of burgeoning global phenomenon like the internet, and clearly the high prices lifted the economy for anyone invested in the markets. It was called "The Clinton bubble", where the market was fueled by aggressive financial deregulatory policies from Clinton and Greenspan -- huge sums of cash from IPO underwriting that investment banks were engaged in persuaded the administration to open up the market to new competition from commercial banks. So commercial banks are lending out more money to a booming middle class, thanks to market surges. It's capitalism, money begets more money for bursts of time. But for the past 10 years prior to this bursting era, the United States and other rich European countries suffered from a shortfall in aggregate demand (aggregate demand is the measure of total demand for goods and services) - a situation in which even very low interest rates do not induce either full employment or inflation. So Reagan could not have employed this strategy of cutting rates to any success until those market surges, but he contributed to those market surges. It simply does not make sense to put tons of stock in economic policy from the lens of short-term partisan politics. Normally during interest rate cuts fears about inflation curbs growth. But Clinton's policies dealt with fears through trade agreements and extra participation from a workforce that was incentivized by certain social security policies, and things like childcare investment (thanks to a booming global economy and revolutions in economic communication, transfer, and travel of globalization). A good economy begets good results -- and allowed Clinton to tackle the Reagan-era structural deficit. What's the takeaway from this? That Keynesian (keynesians economics is a belief that the government can stabilize the economy with countercyclical fiscal policy - like lowering taxes to stimulate aggregate demand) economics that handle budget deficit is the key to economic growth, right? That Reagan should not have cut taxes to create a large structural budget deficit and Clinton's push for a deficit reduction is the key? Actually, no. Over the past 15 years, it's been the complete opposite. Interest rates and inflation stayed low during the economy of the early to mid aughts, as George W. Bush brought budget deficits back (the deficits were created by fiscal stimulus) and he cited the Clinton surplus as evidence that taxes were too high, which drove the U.S. budget into the red. When Obama took over, he called deficit reduction, " balanced budget fetishism" during the Global Financial Crisis, because global factors out of his control wouldn't allow him to get a handle on it -- much of economic policy is a non-partisan group asking themselves "What options do we have?" not, "What would this Democrat/Republican administration want?" Because they don't control the major factors of the economy -- which is why the same problems remain extant over many years and exist globally. When the Asian financial crisis hit in the late 90s, it was devastating to east asian and south-east asian markets -- everyone thought that devastation would transfer to the US, but the result was actually very minimal. Their currency collapsed so our exports to them fell sharply, right? Well most U.S. industries experienced export decline
to Asia, but the decline in export demand had no noticeable impact. And for the most part, we learned that imports from Asia do not compete directly with U.S. production. Therefore, an appreciation in the dollar with respect to Asian currencies leads to gains in consumption with little or no domestic pain. Creating an economy that transactionally behaves like this with Asia is a great situation right? Thanks to the experience of the 90s it was fantastic. Thanks to the experience of 2022, it's fucking terrible. Supply chain issues and an energy crisis compound and beget more problems. What specific administration is responsible for engendering this causal chain of events? Who set up the economy to function like this? 90% of it is outside an administration of 4-8 years' control and periphery of credit/blame.
All of this wall of text is already well understood by every government on earth -- that's fiscal policy is complex and inherited from causal factors over long periods of time and global. This is why every Central Bank in every advanced economy is insulated from short-term political pressures by being given a degree of autonomy outside of the legislature. Otherwise, they'd do things like enacting excessive expansionary monetary policy to lower unemployment in the short term, to fuck over the next administration, and say "see? look what these dipshits did!" There isn't one side that cares more or even knows more about fixing the economy than the other, nobody is that prescient. All the information we have is being utilized in the exact way as intended.
What's your point? How does this relate to Biden and his administrations messaging? It feels like we are talking about completely different things and you're bringing up the central bank - something I never even mentioned much less insinuated at.
Watch the Twitter video again, then re-read your post and tell me what in the fuck it has to do with Biden dismissing inflation rate on 60 Seconds. Bush doesn't have anything to do with. Republican record on economy and their tendency to overspend despite their "fiscal conservative" messaging has nothing to do with. Historical Democratic economic policy has nothing to do with it, either. Your entire argument deflects from the point of the post, which is about Biden, his administration, and their messaging on inflation.
Post by: Propagandhim on September 19, 2022, 05:03:20 PM
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Granted, I'm not knowledgeable about economy. I'm not an expert. All I know and see is that the President and Democrats are pretending it's not a problem, which I know a Republican admin wouldn't do because that's what they're strong on.
What are Republicans strong on? I watched the video -- it encompasses my point exactly. Biden is saying the inflation rate went up .10% That's noise on forescasting. Morgan Stanley and BoA projected a differential higher than that between each other. That's how noisy that is. Why is it noise? Because it takes years for the inflation rate to go down. I even wrote it a few days ago.
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It takes a year to reduce inflation 3 to 4 percentages points. CPI showed it was .10% above estimates (and in line with most conservative estimates) -- that's less than 2 weeks on a linear trajectory. It's noise. Anyone making a big stink about Biden is just political chaff.
Biden is being a politician. He's trying to calm fears and letting the Fed do what it does. You can't avoid this pain. This is happening everywhere and will take time to fix.
Post by: Occam on September 19, 2022, 05:10:55 PM
What are Republicans strong on?Turning gullible human brains into pretzels. During the past 50 years they have perfected their method.
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 05:11:00 PM
You said:QuoteGranted, I'm not knowledgeable about economy. I'm not an expert. All I know and see is that the President and Democrats are pretending it's not a problem, which I know a Republican admin wouldn't do because that's what they're strong on.
What are Republicans strong on?
You wrote all that to articulate that Republicans have a tendency to overspend, create huge amounts of national debt?
I will concede that Democratic Presidents tend to be better on economy. I was wrong and pushed my ire towards liberals too far. I hate them that much. But right now, the main problem is Biden and his awful economic messaging.
I watched the video -- it encompasses my point exactly. Biden is saying the inflation rate went up .10% That's noise on forescasting. Morgan Stanley and BoA projected a differential higher than that between each other. That's how noisy that is. Why is it noise? Because it takes years for the inflation rate to go down. I even wrote it a few days ago.QuoteIt takes a year to reduce inflation 3 to 4 percentages points. CPI showed it was .10% above estimates (and in line with most conservative estimates) -- that's less than 2 weeks on a linear trajectory. It's noise. Anyone making a big stink about Biden is just political chaff.
Biden is being a politician. He's trying to calm fears and letting the Fed do what it does. You can't avoid this pain. This is happening everywhere and will take time to fix.
That's fair enough. I cannot stand politicians and I don't trust them.
Post by: Propagandhim on September 19, 2022, 05:15:53 PM
You said:QuoteGranted, I'm not knowledgeable about economy. I'm not an expert. All I know and see is that the President and Democrats are pretending it's not a problem, which I know a Republican admin wouldn't do because that's what they're strong on.
What are Republicans strong on?
You wrote all that to articulate that Republicans have a tendency to overspend, create huge amounts of national debt?
I will concede that Democratic Presidents tend to be better on economy. I was wrong and pushed my ire towards liberals too far. I hate them that much. But right now, the main problem is Biden and his awful economic messaging.I watched the video -- it encompasses my point exactly. Biden is saying the inflation rate went up .10% That's noise on forescasting. Morgan Stanley and BoA projected a differential higher than that between each other. That's how noisy that is. Why is it noise? Because it takes years for the inflation rate to go down. I even wrote it a few days ago.QuoteIt takes a year to reduce inflation 3 to 4 percentages points. CPI showed it was .10% above estimates (and in line with most conservative estimates) -- that's less than 2 weeks on a linear trajectory. It's noise. Anyone making a big stink about Biden is just political chaff.
Biden is being a politician. He's trying to calm fears and letting the Fed do what it does. You can't avoid this pain. This is happening everywhere and will take time to fix.
That's fair enough. I cannot stand politicians and I don't trust them.
No, I didn't insinuate Republicans have a tendency to overspend -- i provided a snapshot of time that proves what was causally impacted by factors before and after it are part of a larger scheme beyond the paradigm of Democrat and Republican. I credited Reagan with a lot of Clinton's economic boon, but Clinton's era policies were very effective due to a Republican Fed chairman! The main message is, zeroing in on what Biden says about inflation on 60 minutes is a waste of time and not an indication of anything. He doesn't have the control you think he does. These global inflation conflagrations happen routinely and routinely ameliorate over time. Markets are driven by a balance: a need to satisfy aggregate demand, which is a function of how healthy labor markets are, and the ability for the economy to provide incentive for risk and wealth creation. You have a toolkit to tweak those variables around, but when global political conflicts, energy crisis, supply chain problems occur, the local economy takes the pain. Then it goes down. It's routine.
Post by: Uncle on September 19, 2022, 05:18:56 PM
so, again: why does anyone want to stop desantis from sending people up north?
https://twitter.com/MarisaKabas/status/1571849207174123522
the brochure isn't fake, the services are all real, whether these particular immigrants are eligible for all of them or not
https://www.mass.gov/service-details/list-of-ori-programs-and-services
are we certain this was actually handed to all of them as an indication of where they were going, or is it equally likely they found themselves in an immigration building that had many brochures from a lot of different states, addressing a variety of different immigration statuses? and, as expected when you don't speak the local language and find yourself in unfamiliar territory, have ample opportunity for misunderstanding?
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 05:19:15 PM
The main message is, zeroing in on what Biden says about inflation on 60 minutes is a waste of time and not an indication of anything. He doesn't have the control you think he does.
I already know the President doesn't have the power I think he does. It's still his job as a leader to face shit and make me feel better. Wasn't that why the old fuck was elected? Because he was to make things normal and actually lead from the chaotic monstrosity of the Trump administration?
Post by: Propagandhim on September 19, 2022, 05:21:40 PM
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 05:25:11 PM
so, again: why does anyone want to stop desantis from sending people up north?
https://twitter.com/MarisaKabas/status/1571849207174123522
the brochure isn't fake, the services are all real
https://www.mass.gov/service-details/list-of-ori-programs-and-services
are we certain this was actually handed to all of them as an indication of where they were going, or is it equally likely they found themselves in an immigration building that had many brochures from a lot of different states? and, as expected when you don't speak the local language and find yourself in unfamiliar territory, have ample opportunity for misunderstanding?
The services are ONLY for people resettled through the official asylum program, like folks being brought in from Ukraine. DeSantis copied and pasted that into a word document and gave it to people who dont qualify.
You really think a random office in Texas would have a pamphlet for MARTHAS FUCKING VINYARD?
We know it's fake because any government agency worth their own salt would spend at least 4 weeks on ensuring the state seal is properly centered and colored. Source: Have worked with government logos.
Come on man, we dont need two Himus.
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 05:27:12 PM
administration is staffed with Twitter addled fa**ots. Far from the centrist he campaigned on.
Oh shit I missed this. See you in November I guess.
Post by: Nintex on September 19, 2022, 05:29:00 PM
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 05:31:19 PM
Would be quite something if this stunt sinks DeSantis and that puts Trump back in the White House :trumps
Republicans fighting over who hates latinos the most is going to be very helpful for Democrats this November
Florida Cubans will not like that people "fleeing communism" are being treated like trash
Post by: Uncle on September 19, 2022, 05:32:14 PM
The services are ONLY for people resettled through the official asylum program, like folks being brought in from Ukraine. DeSantis copied and pasted that into a word document and gave it to people who dont qualify.
You really think a random office in Texas would have a pamphlet for MARTHAS FUCKING VINYARD?
We know it's fake because any government agency worth their own salt would spend at least 4 weeks on ensuring the state seal is properly centered and colored. Source: Have worked with government logos.
Come on man, we dont need two Himus.
another reason we know it's fake is because it was brought to light by the trusted reliable american institution, popular.info
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 05:34:21 PM
:sabu :crowdlaff
Propa:
Don't forget Biden ignored the inflation problem for 12 MONTHS. He is the leader of the country! And he says this on a 60 Minutes interview?
(https://i.imgur.com/CZOAyQi.gif)
Fuck him.
administration is staffed with Twitter addled fa**ots. Far from the centrist he campaigned on.
Oh shit I missed this. See you in November I guess.
(https://i.imgur.com/XS9dm7N.gif)
Right.
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 05:35:43 PM
The services are ONLY for people resettled through the official asylum program, like folks being brought in from Ukraine. DeSantis copied and pasted that into a word document and gave it to people who dont qualify.
You really think a random office in Texas would have a pamphlet for MARTHAS FUCKING VINYARD?
We know it's fake because any government agency worth their own salt would spend at least 4 weeks on ensuring the state seal is properly centered and colored. Source: Have worked with government logos.
Come on man, we dont need two Himus.
another reason we know it's fake is because it was brought to light by the trusted reliable american institution, popular.info
Here is the local CBS station.
https://twitter.com/TedNesi/status/1570530903662940160
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 05:37:37 PM
Post by: Uncle on September 19, 2022, 05:38:46 PM
ideally the entire situation would be handled much better, as you suggested Biden should be running the buses
but again, if the migrants end up with incorrect information this is just more of the desantis self-own that delivers more wins to liberals
being as far from florida or texas as possible is in the immigrants' best possible interests all around
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 05:39:28 PM
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 05:40:54 PM
:sabu
Oopsie
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 05:42:35 PM
https://twitter.com/flvoicenews/status/1571902660265279488
:sabu
Oopsie
https://twitter.com/brianmoney/status/1571962282145611776
Imagine falling for any and all bait every damn time
Post by: Propagandhim on September 19, 2022, 05:43:13 PM
Prop: Also, let's be real. Biden's administration hasn't done him favors. You bring up his fed, I'm talking policy. Even more Covid Stimulus, BBB, cancelling student loans are all things that will make a bad situation worse. That's on the Democrats and the Biden administration's crappy progressive politics, not on banks, no on the federal reserve.
Trump also provided Covid stimulus and forgave loans and provided huge tax cuts to the top earners in this country. Remember, he put his name on the check. Stimulus like that does contribute to inflation -- you're right. But the Biden admin isn't forgiving student debt out of the goodness of their heart -- analysts generally agree that forgiving student debt boosts gdp by an average of $100+ billion each year for a decade (remember, economic policy outlasts presidential terms), then continues at a receded rate over time. It may or may not impact the affordable housing market for the better, too. It remains to be seen. That says nothing about the morality of the decision -- I understand that it's unfair for certain people. I'm not making a value judgement on the ethics and morality of that and what it means for other people who paid it off, i'm just saying economically speaking it has utility beyond being nice to kids.
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 05:46:48 PM
Prop: Also, let's be real. Biden's administration hasn't done him favors. You bring up his fed, I'm talking policy. Even more Covid Stimulus, BBB, cancelling student loans are all things that will make a bad situation worse. That's on the Democrats and the Biden administration's crappy progressive politics, not on banks, no on the federal reserve.
Trump also provided Covid stimulus and forgave loans and provided huge tax cuts to the top earners in this country. Remember, he put his name on the check. And the Biden admin isn't forgiving student debt out of the goodness of their heart -- analysts generally agree that forgiving student debt boosts gdp by an average of $100+ billion each year for a decade, then continues at a receded rate over time. That says nothing about the morality of the decision -- I understand that it's unfair for certain people. I'm not making a value judgement on the ethics and morality of that and what it means for other people who paid it off, i'm just saying economically speaking it has utility beyond being nice to kids.
I know. Which is why I said Biden gave even more stimulus. Trump giving stimulus at the time was needed. Biden took an already big problem and is basically throwing gasoline on a fire by increasing spending. I not once said Trump didn't spend big. My argument is,"hey, Trump administration and the federal government gave over trillions to the People. Maybe hold your horses."
Biden administration? "NO!"
Post by: Propagandhim on September 19, 2022, 05:56:06 PM
Prop: Also, let's be real. Biden's administration hasn't done him favors. You bring up his fed, I'm talking policy. Even more Covid Stimulus, BBB, cancelling student loans are all things that will make a bad situation worse. That's on the Democrats and the Biden administration's crappy progressive politics, not on banks, no on the federal reserve.
Trump also provided Covid stimulus and forgave loans and provided huge tax cuts to the top earners in this country. Remember, he put his name on the check. And the Biden admin isn't forgiving student debt out of the goodness of their heart -- analysts generally agree that forgiving student debt boosts gdp by an average of $100+ billion each year for a decade, then continues at a receded rate over time. That says nothing about the morality of the decision -- I understand that it's unfair for certain people. I'm not making a value judgement on the ethics and morality of that and what it means for other people who paid it off, i'm just saying economically speaking it has utility beyond being nice to kids.
I know. Which is why I said Biden gave even more stimulus. Trump giving stimulus at the time was needed. Biden took an already big problem and is basically throwing gasoline on a fire by increasing spending. I not once said Trump didn't spend big. My argument is,"hey, Trump administration and the federal government gave over trillions to the People. Maybe hold your horses."
Biden administration? "NO!"
It's complicated. Stimulus increases inflation, no doubt. You can make some good arguments for being more discerning with need-based stimulation or vetting business loans better. I don't want to get into what it means to not be able to pay your bills because of an event you can't control and real wages stagnating for the middle class. Political stability is important for confidence in markets. You can look at charts for U.S. economic growth over historical and recent periods of time -- but it won't show the whole picture because of changes in income inequality. Things are going to get a bit worse before they get better, and they will get better. And when they do, someone else who just sat in a warm seat will take the credit for it. ...and the cycle continues.
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 05:57:55 PM
Prop: Also, let's be real. Biden's administration hasn't done him favors. You bring up his fed, I'm talking policy. Even more Covid Stimulus, BBB, cancelling student loans are all things that will make a bad situation worse. That's on the Democrats and the Biden administration's crappy progressive politics, not on banks, no on the federal reserve.
Trump also provided Covid stimulus and forgave loans and provided huge tax cuts to the top earners in this country. Remember, he put his name on the check. And the Biden admin isn't forgiving student debt out of the goodness of their heart -- analysts generally agree that forgiving student debt boosts gdp by an average of $100+ billion each year for a decade, then continues at a receded rate over time. That says nothing about the morality of the decision -- I understand that it's unfair for certain people. I'm not making a value judgement on the ethics and morality of that and what it means for other people who paid it off, i'm just saying economically speaking it has utility beyond being nice to kids.
I know. Which is why I said Biden gave even more stimulus. Trump giving stimulus at the time was needed. Biden took an already big problem and is basically throwing gasoline on a fire by increasing spending. I not once said Trump didn't spend big. My argument is,"hey, Trump administration and the federal government gave over trillions to the People. Maybe hold your horses."
Biden administration? "NO!"
It's complicated. Stimulus increases inflation, no doubt. You can make some good arguments for being more discerning with need-based stimulation or vetting business loans better. I don't want to get into what it means to not be able to pay your bills because of an event you can't control and real wages stagnating for the middle class. Political stability is important for confidence in markets. You can look at charts for U.S. economic growth over historical and recent periods of time -- but it won't show the whole picture because of changes in income inequality. Things are going to get a bit worse before they get better, and they will get better. And when they do, someone else who just sat in a warm seat will take the credit for it. ...and the cycle continues.
Fair enough. I hate politics. If I still drank, I'd get a beer with you and love to talk. I could order an alcohol free Heineken and we could talk shit about James and Occam.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2022, 06:20:04 PM
Prop: Also, let's be real. Biden's administration hasn't done him favors. You bring up his fed, I'm talking policy. Even more Covid Stimulus, BBB, cancelling student loans are all things that will make a bad situation worse. That's on the Democrats and the Biden administration's crappy progressive politics, not on banks, not on the federal reserve.
This right here tells me you're just regurgitating talking points and don't understand the issue. I'm not going to provide a Fed deep dive though.
Inflation has been occurring globally since economies re-opened, it makes little sense to blame the administration. Any more than it made sense to blame Biden for gas prices, when prices increased globally as well. And then of course when prices dropped over the last couple months no one could point to any conservative explanation for why. We didn't "start drilling more" after all.
Globally, the dominant drivers of inflation have been significantly increased demand and supply chain delays/shortages due to shutdowns. The war in Ukraine has also played a factor in oil and food (grain shortages) cost increases. Entire Chinese cities that manufactured car chips were suddenly closed during the pandemic (and continue today in some areas), increasing new and used car prices as supply failed to match demand. People spent much of the latter part of the shutdowns spending a shit ton of money purchasing things, often online, and companies couldn't handle the drastic rise from lowered demand (initial quarantine) to maximum demand.
In the US the other major factor is the job market. We went from large portions of our labor force being shut down or reduced to a massive re-hiring spree alongside wage increases. Unemployment is at near record lows, wages continue to rise, and costs are increasing alongside it.
Those are the major drivers of this. Some parts of this will naturally solve themselves. As we move back to consumers spending money on services, vs the highly elevated spending on goods during the pandemic, inflation will decline. But the demand for goods remains relatively high and companies/supply chains continue to struggle to meet it. The fed is pushing higher interest rates, and a potential recession will give companies an opportunity to reduce wage growth.
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 06:25:44 PM
Prop: Also, let's be real. Biden's administration hasn't done him favors. You bring up his fed, I'm talking policy. Even more Covid Stimulus, BBB, cancelling student loans are all things that will make a bad situation worse. That's on the Democrats and the Biden administration's crappy progressive politics, not on banks, not on the federal reserve.
This right here tells me you're just regurgitating talking points and don't understand the issue. I'm not going to provide a Fed deep dive though.
Inflation has been occurring globally since economies re-opened, it makes little sense to blame the administration. Any more than it made sense to blame Biden for gas prices, when prices increased globally as well. And then of course when prices dropped over the last couple months no one could point to any conservative explanation for why. We didn't "start drilling more" after all.
Globally, the dominant drivers of inflation have been significantly increased demand and supply chain delays/shortages due to shutdowns. The war in Ukraine has also played a factor in oil and food (grain shortages) cost increases. Entire Chinese cities that manufactured car chips were suddenly closed during the pandemic (and continue today in some areas), increasing new and used car prices as supply failed to match demand. People spent much of the latter part of the shutdowns spending a shit ton of money purchasing things, often online, and companies couldn't handle the drastic rise from lowered demand (initial quarantine) to maximum demand.
In the US the other major factor is the job market. We went from large portions of our labor force being shut down or reduced to a massive re-hiring spree alongside wage increases. Unemployment is at near record lows, wages continue to rise, and costs are increasing alongside it.
Those are the major drivers of this. Some parts of this will naturally solve themselves. As we move back to consumers spending money on services, vs the highly elevated spending on goods during the pandemic, inflation will decline. But the demand for goods remains relatively high and companies/supply chains continue to struggle to meet it. The fed is pushing higher interest rates, and a potential recession will give companies an opportunity to reduce wage growth.
I understand all of this. You're mistaking me articulating my blame on the administration and saying they could be preventing it fully, when we are in the fumes of a global pandemic and mass shortages. Of course we have inflation. My problem isn't the inflation, it's my frustration in the administrations response, messaging, and overall ignoring it. Even a simple "we as Americans will all bear the brunt of increasing inflation and there's little we can do to stop it. We as Americans need to simply hold tight and look for light at the end of the tunnel" would make me feel better. Instead we get that Biden sound bite on 60 Minutes. It just doesn't deliver confidence despite the fact I know, internally, that all we can do is wait.
BBB and the student loan situation aren't helping things.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2022, 06:53:10 PM
Prop: Also, let's be real. Biden's administration hasn't done him favors. You bring up his fed, I'm talking policy. Even more Covid Stimulus, BBB, cancelling student loans are all things that will make a bad situation worse. That's on the Democrats and the Biden administration's crappy progressive politics, not on banks, not on the federal reserve.
This right here tells me you're just regurgitating talking points and don't understand the issue. I'm not going to provide a Fed deep dive though.
Inflation has been occurring globally since economies re-opened, it makes little sense to blame the administration. Any more than it made sense to blame Biden for gas prices, when prices increased globally as well. And then of course when prices dropped over the last couple months no one could point to any conservative explanation for why. We didn't "start drilling more" after all.
Globally, the dominant drivers of inflation have been significantly increased demand and supply chain delays/shortages due to shutdowns. The war in Ukraine has also played a factor in oil and food (grain shortages) cost increases. Entire Chinese cities that manufactured car chips were suddenly closed during the pandemic (and continue today in some areas), increasing new and used car prices as supply failed to match demand. People spent much of the latter part of the shutdowns spending a shit ton of money purchasing things, often online, and companies couldn't handle the drastic rise from lowered demand (initial quarantine) to maximum demand.
In the US the other major factor is the job market. We went from large portions of our labor force being shut down or reduced to a massive re-hiring spree alongside wage increases. Unemployment is at near record lows, wages continue to rise, and costs are increasing alongside it.
Those are the major drivers of this. Some parts of this will naturally solve themselves. As we move back to consumers spending money on services, vs the highly elevated spending on goods during the pandemic, inflation will decline. But the demand for goods remains relatively high and companies/supply chains continue to struggle to meet it. The fed is pushing higher interest rates, and a potential recession will give companies an opportunity to reduce wage growth.
I understand all of this. You're mistaking me articulating my blame on the administration and saying they could be preventing it fully, when we are in the fumes of a global pandemic and mass shortages. Of course we have inflation. My problem isn't the inflation, it's my frustration in the administrations response, messaging, and overall ignoring it. Even a simple "we as Americans will all bear the brunt of increasing inflation and there's little we can do to stop it. We as Americans need to simply hold tight and look for light at the end of the tunnel" would make me feel better. Instead we get that Biden sound bite on 60 Minutes. It just doesn't deliver confidence despite the fact I know, internally, that all we can do is wait.
BBB and the student loan situation aren't helping things.
You can't keep saying you understand something while simultaneously demonstrating you don't. It's the same with the immigration argument where you were railing on the feds while simultaneously arguing Beto could magically worsen a situation he will not control. Not to mention advocating for the wall.
BBB doesn't even exist and wasn't passed. I haven't seen one compelling argument for 10k student loan forgiveness driving inflation today. We know what the primary drivers are. We know what the Fed plan is. Why are you focused on tenuous arguments about side dishes, beyond the politics of "democrats bad" lol? It makes no sense.
Even the messaging argument...no I don't think Biden's messaging is good. And yet democrats are tied or leading midterm polls. Clearly my views on the messaging are irrelevant to many Americans as they determine who they're going to vote for in November.
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 06:57:16 PM
https://youtu.be/OU-KvA0lq78
Here's Carter remarking on anti-inflation measures
https://youtu.be/qodkjyS0d2E
Sure, it's beyond their control. But as leaders it is their job to assuage the public, make us less fearful, and inject confidence into the nation. Biden and his administration have for the past twelve months pretended it's not even a thing and when faced with a 60 Minutes interview this is what happens.
Compare and contrast.
https://youtu.be/HfNnuQOHAaw
Biden is not Presidential. He offers even less leadership than Carter.
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 07:03:53 PM
Prop: Also, let's be real. Biden's administration hasn't done him favors. You bring up his fed, I'm talking policy. Even more Covid Stimulus, BBB, cancelling student loans are all things that will make a bad situation worse. That's on the Democrats and the Biden administration's crappy progressive politics, not on banks, not on the federal reserve.
This right here tells me you're just regurgitating talking points and don't understand the issue. I'm not going to provide a Fed deep dive though.
Inflation has been occurring globally since economies re-opened, it makes little sense to blame the administration. Any more than it made sense to blame Biden for gas prices, when prices increased globally as well. And then of course when prices dropped over the last couple months no one could point to any conservative explanation for why. We didn't "start drilling more" after all.
Globally, the dominant drivers of inflation have been significantly increased demand and supply chain delays/shortages due to shutdowns. The war in Ukraine has also played a factor in oil and food (grain shortages) cost increases. Entire Chinese cities that manufactured car chips were suddenly closed during the pandemic (and continue today in some areas), increasing new and used car prices as supply failed to match demand. People spent much of the latter part of the shutdowns spending a shit ton of money purchasing things, often online, and companies couldn't handle the drastic rise from lowered demand (initial quarantine) to maximum demand.
In the US the other major factor is the job market. We went from large portions of our labor force being shut down or reduced to a massive re-hiring spree alongside wage increases. Unemployment is at near record lows, wages continue to rise, and costs are increasing alongside it.
Those are the major drivers of this. Some parts of this will naturally solve themselves. As we move back to consumers spending money on services, vs the highly elevated spending on goods during the pandemic, inflation will decline. But the demand for goods remains relatively high and companies/supply chains continue to struggle to meet it. The fed is pushing higher interest rates, and a potential recession will give companies an opportunity to reduce wage growth.
I understand all of this. You're mistaking me articulating my blame on the administration and saying they could be preventing it fully, when we are in the fumes of a global pandemic and mass shortages. Of course we have inflation. My problem isn't the inflation, it's my frustration in the administrations response, messaging, and overall ignoring it. Even a simple "we as Americans will all bear the brunt of increasing inflation and there's little we can do to stop it. We as Americans need to simply hold tight and look for light at the end of the tunnel" would make me feel better. Instead we get that Biden sound bite on 60 Minutes. It just doesn't deliver confidence despite the fact I know, internally, that all we can do is wait.
BBB and the student loan situation aren't helping things.
You can't keep saying you understand something while simultaneously demonstrating you don't. It's the same with the immigration argument where you were railing on the feds while simultaneously arguing Beto could magically worsen a situation he will not control. Not to mention advocating for the wall.
BBB doesn't even exist and wasn't passed. I haven't seen one compelling argument for 10k student loan forgiveness driving inflation today. We know what the primary drivers are. We know what the Fed plan is. Why are you focused on tenuous arguments about side dishes, beyond the politics of "democrats bad" lol? It makes no sense.
Even the messaging argument...no I don't think Biden's messaging is good. And yet democrats are tied or leading midterm polls. Clearly my views on the messaging are irrelevant to many Americans as they determine who they're going to vote for in November.
The Federal government controls immigration and borders but why should Texas let someone that defends illegal immigrants when facing an illegal immigrant crisis its governor? How can you have a governor that doesn't defends the states best interests? Even Biden agrees with me on the wall and is continuing its build. Hurry it up then.
BBB didn't pass but it was a big part of Biden's agenda. Don't deny it. It was a massive loss and an example for what his vision for the country is and interests are. He's trying to cater to Latinos but Latinos and in much of the state are overwhelmingly anti-illegal immigrant.
Democrats are tied or leading because of Roe v Wade repeal and bad GOP candidates.
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 07:24:45 PM
I wrongly pegged Beto's stance on the border as following in step with Biden because of his prior extreme rhetoric and habit for histrionic politics.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/04/18/beto-orourke-immigration-border-policy/
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-governor-hopeful-beto-orourke-criticizes-biden-immigration-2021-11-21/
Jfc it's refreshing to see Beto even agree that Biden sucks big black hairy balls. Probably Obama's. Democrats at the Federal level are truly disgusting creatures. Locally, they have more rope.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2022, 07:38:25 PM
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 07:51:13 PM
Look at this shit.
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O’Rourke himself has avoided labeling the situation a “crisis” and has said National Guard troops are being sent to address “a solution in search of a problem.” Abbott’s campaign has highlighted that comment in near-daily news releases this month under the headline, “Beto’s Big Border Denial.”
And in an interview, he said he disagrees with the notion that Democrats are divided over the issue and said voters appreciate a nuanced policy.
In the back of my mind I still label Beto a grifter. On one he criticizes Biden as not doing enough but on the other sending National Guard to the border, which is logical for security, is looking for a problem? What are his solutions beyond silly rhetoric?
Abbott is limited as he's just a state governor but he's doing what he can as a leader. That's a man worth voting for.
It's not 1978, and it's surely not 2008. We're not in the midst of a decades long economic decline in the face of Soviet aggression, or the greatest economic collapse since the Great Depression. The economy is shocking strong in many respects. We've got a problem largely based around Americans having too much money to spend on stuff. If ever there was a time for a president to be a dick and express confidence, it would be right now. Might as well get it in before the Fed knocks us off a cliff...a
It's not 1978 or 2008 but Americans are being hurt by inflation and the President is acting like it's nothing burger. Waving a stick and flexing during this moment would be the height of Democratic ineptitude but very much on brand.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2022, 08:15:27 PM
:lol
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 08:20:15 PM
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 08:25:10 PM
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 08:40:40 PM
235,478 in April 239,416 illegals in May alone. Wow.
https://www.risch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2022/7/report-president-biden-is-responsible-for-the-crisis-at-the-southern-border
That does it. I'm voting for Abbott. :rejoice
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 09:02:46 PM
This DeSantis guy has some real interesting thoughts on the subject
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Republican gubernatorial nominee Ron DeSantis spoke at a conference of an anti-Muslim group in October 2017 whose founder argues devout Muslims cannot be loyal Americans.
DeSantis, who resigned from his U.S. House seat last week to focus on his run for governor, spoke to the group meeting in Washington, D.C., taking a hard line on immigration and asylum, and characterizing some U.S. Department of State employees as sympathetic to Arab views.
DeSantis’ address to ACT for America is evidence of another meeting with groups known for extremist views, including a conference featuring speakers who have defended a candidate accused of child molestation, suggested killing Muslims and argued that women are less likely to be in leadership roles because of “biological causes.”
Founded in 2007, ACT for America promotes itself as the “largest national security grassroots organization.” ACT refers to the organization’s former name, American Congress for Truth. The group has built a reputation for lobbying state legislators to ban Sharia law and has referred to Islam as “Islamofascism.”
“Tens of thousands of Islamic militants now reside in America, operating in sleeper cells, attending our colleges and universities, even infiltrating our government,” ACT for America’s website once claimed. “They are here — today. Many have been here for years. Waiting. Preparing.”
https://fcir.org/2018/09/17/ron-desantis-spoke-at-anti-muslim-conference-in-2017/
I cant decide between him and Ted Cruz
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Ted Cruz calls for law enforcement to ‘patrol and secure’ Muslim neighborhoodshttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/22/ted-cruz-calls-for-law-enforcement-to-patrol-and-secure-muslim-neighborhoods/
Cruz spokeswoman Alice Stewart later said there needs to be a robust law enforcement presence in American neighborhoods where many Muslims live.
"Local, state and federal law enforcement agencies all have divisions that target threats like drugs, gangs, human trafficking and organized crime. Radical Islamic terrorism is a significant and growing threat in this country, but this administration refuses to recognize it because they are afraid of being labeled ‘politically incorrect,’” Stewart said.
Cruz said: "For years, the West has tried to deny this enemy exists out of a combination of political correctness and fear. We can no longer afford either. Our European allies are now seeing what comes of a toxic mix of migrants who have been infiltrated by terrorists and isolated, radical Muslim neighborhoods."
Although they both pale in comparison to the OG, hope my main man runs again!
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The United States will have “absolutely no choice” but to close down some mosques where “some bad things are happening,” Donald Trump said in a recent interview, explaining his rationale for doing so.https://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/trump-close-mosques-216008
“Nobody wants to say this and nobody wants to shut down religious institutions or anything, but you know, you understand it. A lot of people understand it. We’re going to have no choice,” the Republican presidential said in an interview from Trump Tower on Fox News’ “Hannity” on Tuesday night.
Those remarks go further than Trump did on Monday, when he said he would “strongly consider” closing mosques as part of a response to last Friday’s terrorist attacks in Paris that killed more than 130 and injured hundreds more.
Asked to explain his shifting position by Sean Hannity, Trump remarked that things are “happening a lot faster than anybody understands.”
Hopefully the Rs sweep this November and we can focus on the real issues. At least Mexicans eat pork and worship Jesus like the founding fathers intended. In fact, many of them go by the name Jesus, thats how much they love the guy
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 09:11:15 PM
That line of argumentation, huh? "The Republicans hate you!!!!" :stop
Both Democrats and Republicans look into Muslim communities. They're just throwing out stuff for their base. The Christians are misguided and should realize their closest ally, but they are forgiven. I'd much rather walk alongside a "Muslim hater" than someone whose politics are so contrary to Islam like Rep. Omar. Better to make friends with enemies than play footsies with toes of Satan.
(https://i.imgur.com/T1H1nfB.jpg)
:rejoice
The booing of Omar at that one Somali festival in her own district gave me life. Boo her harder. :sabu
https://youtu.be/AT-_m17Vlxg
Basically, both parties suck and both hate and neither is in line with Islam but the Republicans are the closest. I know who my allies are and it's definitely not liberals. The solution you're offering isn't to vote Democratic, it's to not vote at all.
Post by: james on September 19, 2022, 09:27:34 PM
1. Solves the border crisis
2. Pro-life
3. He appears to have the money to do so
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2022, 10:28:52 PM
:lol Democrats running on draining the swamp
Post by: benjipwns on September 19, 2022, 11:58:26 PM
Benji, there's absolutely no reason I should support unvetted illegal immigrants from cartel infested Mexico that terrorizes that country and starts streaks of violence on the border. Thousands streaming into the state of Texas daily, unvetted, who could be very much tied to the cartel. What if they bring guns? What if they come to traffic Americans? Nope. They can fuck off. If they're a genuine migrant who traveled to America to escape political upheaval they have my sympathy and should go through legal channels at the border so that they can be vetted and ID'd. We ID anyone that flies into our borders, we should do so for every single gotdamn channel of entry and I'm not a Nazi for believing so. Finish the wall, force legit migrants genuine and legal entry, relax legal immigration laws so that you don't have to be a rich tech worker to immigrate legally, put more guns on the border, strike a deal with Mexico to make their side of the border also strong. Send guns on the Mexican side of the border too.My dude, all your appeals are complete nonsense. The "legal channels" of the past were everywhere in the country, Ellis Island was a way station for immigrants coming in through New York City not the only legal path of entry into the United States. Even after the blatantly xenophobic Immigration Acts of the 1920s, Ellis Island was simply a filthy inhumane detention center. The concept of "illegal" immigration made no sense to America until America began sealing its borders and imposing ethnic quotas, if you came to America you were a "legal" immigrant period.
I thought the Democrats supported legal entry for migrants? So why let them cross such unsafe territory to America? Nope. Finish the wall and force them through CBP. When immigrants in the past came to America they came through legal channels, namely Ellis Island. Build a wall and make a new Ellis Island like port on the southern border for people to get through legally and welcome to America. If they wanna come, they gotta do it right. End of.
I won't let the left redefine this word and label all illegal immigrants "migrants". I won't and I will not let them.
You're not just demanding the borders be sealed but you're talking about committing something that could plausibly be interpreted as acts of war against a neighboring country because of an incredibly minor problem you only seem to believe comes from all Latinx people not born in America.
I'm not even talking about restoring America to the open borders past it had for the first hundred plus years of the country, I'm merely talking about making the current immigration system less insane and kafkaesque. You claim to want this but at the same time seem to also want a police state imposed on Americans while inflaming the situation within a friendly neighboring country and then punishing anyone who tries to escape the situation you're deliberately making worse to punish innocent people who share a heritage with criminals.
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2022, 12:00:50 AM
What are Republicans strong on?Personally, I'm a big fan of tax cuts that are difficult to repeal.
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2022, 11:13:33 AM
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If Democrats truly want to “save democracy” from MAGA Republicans, why is their party spending millions in this year’s primaries to boost . . . MAGA Republicans?
A new analysis by The Washington Post found Democrats have shelled out $53 million this year to aid “far-right” candidates in Republican primaries. In Illinois alone, they coughed up a whopping $35 million to help Donald Trump-backed state Sen. Darren Bailey defeat Aurora mayor Richard Irvin, who could’ve been the state’s first black governor.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/12/dems-spending-on-maga-republicans-belies-just-how-cynical-their-threat-to-democracy-cries-are/
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2022, 11:25:10 AM
Benji, there's absolutely no reason I should support unvetted illegal immigrants from cartel infested Mexico that terrorizes that country and starts streaks of violence on the border. Thousands streaming into the state of Texas daily, unvetted, who could be very much tied to the cartel. What if they bring guns? What if they come to traffic Americans? Nope. They can fuck off. If they're a genuine migrant who traveled to America to escape political upheaval they have my sympathy and should go through legal channels at the border so that they can be vetted and ID'd. We ID anyone that flies into our borders, we should do so for every single gotdamn channel of entry and I'm not a Nazi for believing so. Finish the wall, force legit migrants genuine and legal entry, relax legal immigration laws so that you don't have to be a rich tech worker to immigrate legally, put more guns on the border, strike a deal with Mexico to make their side of the border also strong. Send guns on the Mexican side of the border too.My dude, all your appeals are complete nonsense. The "legal channels" of the past were everywhere in the country, Ellis Island was a way station for immigrants coming in through New York City not the only legal path of entry into the United States. Even after the blatantly xenophobic Immigration Acts of the 1920s, Ellis Island was simply a filthy inhumane detention center. The concept of "illegal" immigration made no sense to America until America began sealing its borders and imposing ethnic quotas, if you came to America you were a "legal" immigrant period.
I thought the Democrats supported legal entry for migrants? So why let them cross such unsafe territory to America? Nope. Finish the wall and force them through CBP. When immigrants in the past came to America they came through legal channels, namely Ellis Island. Build a wall and make a new Ellis Island like port on the southern border for people to get through legally and welcome to America. If they wanna come, they gotta do it right. End of.
I won't let the left redefine this word and label all illegal immigrants "migrants". I won't and I will not let them.
You're not just demanding the borders be sealed but you're talking about committing something that could plausibly be interpreted as acts of war against a neighboring country because of an incredibly minor problem you only seem to believe comes from all Latinx people not born in America.
I'm not even talking about restoring America to the open borders past it had for the first hundred plus years of the country, I'm merely talking about making the current immigration system less insane and kafkaesque. You claim to want this but at the same time seem to also want a police state imposed on Americans while inflaming the situation within a friendly neighboring country and then punishing anyone who tries to escape the situation you're deliberately making worse to punish innocent people who share a heritage with criminals.
I'm being realistic and sane. You're being idealistic and nuts. America is the top country in the world in many areas. Not all, but many, and the world's sole superpower. Many come here for a better life. Fine! But guess what! We can't take everyone. Resources are limited. One of the most illogical contradictions of progressives is their incessant need of a greater social safety net while also proclaiming the need the for infinite immigration. These two points are utterly contradictory. How much immigration is too much? Have you ever asked that? You have the mind of an utopian child. America is supposed to take everyone and everything that comes upon this country? Nope. If you are a migrant go through legal channels. Wait for your case to be approved. Otherwise, unless you're a child or pregnant woman, you should have a CBP gun to your face. Some of these people traveled from places like Venezuela. They stopped in Mexico, a place with their same language. They can find a place to live there.
A police state? Every nation in the world does this. Stay with an expired visa? Welcome to deportation land. Try to be an illegal immigrant in Japan or France, Egypt, Italy, or even Saudi Arabia. You'll get a quick boot to the ass and a pistol whip to the face. In Egypt you get lifetime imprisonment, which has recently been amended, but still strict. Close the border. Add more men (guns) on it. Talk to Mexico into doing the same. Send the illegals packing. You will not guilt trip me with changing my mind on what's right through a pedantic appeal to emotion. Try it with someone that cares.
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2022, 11:45:19 AM
If you packed anything illegal or not allowed like a banana or a prescription drug that you forgot you had in your bag you will pay a hefty fine or will be denied entry.
If they suspect you of literally anything they will go through your phone to see if you've been texting Bin Laden in the after life or strip search you.
However, if you walk across the border or climb over a fence illegally with 150 others suddenly all these rules don't apply.
At some point literally anything that protects land borders is deemed 'off limits' or 'radical'.
If you want your country to have borders and a process of admission, you are literally a Nazi now. :idont
So either the same airport security standards are applied to the land borders or we scrap everything including airport security and have real open borders.
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2022, 11:55:44 AM
Why in the fuck would I allow people that:
1. I don't know
2. I don't know their background
3. Coming from Cartel infested Mexico
It belies any standard of common sense.
Seal the border. Add more guns to the border. Finish the wall. Deport fresh arrivals en masse. Keep sending them to snooty liberal areas where they think they know better because fuck them.
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2022, 12:05:30 PM
Also remember, that despite all the "Nazi" talk it wasn't that long ago that both parties were on the same page about illegal immigration. This is but one example of the Democratic Party's moving further left than the Republicans moving further right.
Post by: Nintex on September 20, 2022, 01:02:19 PM
The main issue now is that a great number of working class people hate the politicians (and of course this happened before) but the new development is that now the politicians on the 'left' hate the people they are supposed to govern too.
They now openly call them enemies of the state just for not supporting their failed policies and then they cry about disinformation and how no one trusts them anymore. When people protest they want them silenced or jailed.
The right has a different problem and that is a 'radical' religious element that has returned back from the depths. Trump sort of kept them contained by saying the things they wanted to hear without having to actually act on it.
But now they see their momentum (especially among the youth) as an opportunity to not just stop secularisation but reverse it.
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2022, 02:32:10 PM
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Under present immigration policies, the U.S. population will exceed 400 million by 2050. Nobody is seriously planning for such population growth—building the schools and hospitals these people will need, planning for the traffic they will generate. Nobody is thinking very hard about the environmental consequences, either. The average American causes the emission of almost 17 tons of carbon dioxide each year, quadruple the annual emissions of the average Mexican and 45 times the emissions of the average Bangladeshi.
The question before the United States and other advanced countries is not: Immigration, yes or no? In a mobile world, there will inevitably be quite a lot of movement of people. Immigration is not all or nothing. The questions to ask are: How much? What kind?
Too little immigration, and you freeze your country out of the modern world. Too much, or the wrong kind, and you overstress your social-insurance system—and possibly upend your democracy. Choose well, and you build a stronger, richer country for both newcomers and the long-settled. Choose badly, and you aggravate inequality and inflame intergroup hostility. How we choose will shape the future that will in its turn shape us.
Great article despite the headline
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2022, 02:36:52 PM
I'm being realistic and sane.
You have the mind of an utopian child.
unless you're a child or pregnant woman, you should have a CBP gun to your face.
Try to be an illegal immigrant in Japan or France, Egypt, Italy, or even Saudi Arabia. You'll get a quick boot to the ass and a pistol whip to the face. In Egypt you get lifetime imprisonment, which has recently been amended, but still strict. Close the border. Add more men (guns) on it. Talk to Mexico into doing the same. Send the illegals packing. You will not guilt trip me with changing my mind on what's right through a pedantic appeal to emotion. Try it with someone that cares.
Why in the fuck would I allow people that:God Bless America, land of liberty and home of the free. Unless Himu doesn't know you personally and you look like someone he's decided he hates, then enjoy your boot in the ass and pistol whip to the face for trying to improve your life. You should be thankful you aren't being deprived of your life like realistic and sane countries! And all the Americans who get to have their constitutional rights erased because they live near the border? Fuck you for not wanting to militarize your daily life in loyalty to the state! Don't you realize that the adult needs some innocents to be punished?
1. I don't know
2. I don't know their background
3. Coming from Cartel infested Mexico
It belies any standard of common sense.
Seal the border. Add more guns to the border. Finish the wall. Deport fresh arrivals en masse.
I wasn't trying to appeal to emotion, I was trying to appeal to your own claims of what your concerns were. Instead you're now making clear you just want to see people be hurt and don't actually give a single shit about the things you spent how many posts claiming were your concerns rather than hatred of others. I don't have a problem with people taking glee in the suffering of others they've decided they should hate irrationally, I just prefer people be honest about it as you now are.
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2022, 02:42:11 PM
Hatred.
That word is used too often. Suffering of others, as if there's an easy answer. Force and might and heavy laws are the only real deterrant to illegal immigrants.
Nintex look at Canada.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/canada-immigration-success/564944/
Post by: james on September 20, 2022, 03:00:27 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2022, 03:02:27 PM
Post by: james on September 20, 2022, 03:18:49 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2022, 03:27:57 PM
https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1571136910902312960
Post by: james on September 20, 2022, 03:28:42 PM
Its simple science
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2022, 03:45:45 PM
Insanity. And he's describing a crime. Also kudos for admitting mass illegal immigration isn't a problem in Florida bro.
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2022, 03:47:31 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2022, 03:53:01 PM
:hmm
Post by: james on September 20, 2022, 05:06:26 PM
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We all moved to Florida to escape vaccine and mask mandates. We thought it would be a tropical paradise. However, I left Florida and most others are leaving Florida after 1 year. In fact I was so anxious to get out I was not even there 1 year, I found a replacement for my lease and cut my lease short.
THE HEAT WAS COMPLETELY AWFUL!!! 90+ degrees and humid morning AND NIGHT with near 100% humidity. I opened the door at 2am to get air and it felt like a SPACE HEATER - OUTSIDE! 24/7 AC is the only way to survive.
The rent and cost of living is now AS BAD AS CALIFORNIA, but the weather is 10x worse! I know, because I lived in southern California for years! I would have rather been in California than Florida! (Both are bad and I would want to be in neither!)
I thought there would be a lack of diversity in SW Florida, I WAS WRONG, it's mostly hispanic.
I thought they would not have any masks, while partly true, many companies still require it. I got kicked out of a US Post Office for not wearing a mask, I certainly was not about to put one on.
The beaches are crap! Because it costs so much to even go, and if you are 1 mile away as the crow flies, it still takes an hour to get there! And then parking is $20 per hour, if you can even find a spot, just to be in an overcrowded beach!
The houses are getting as expensive as California, with half a million and up for a tiny house. BUT THESE PRICES ARE NOT SUSTAINALE, THIS IS A BUBBLE AND WILL CRASH!! Just look at what happened some years ago on the east coast of Florida, where houses bubbled to over a million and then crashed to normal so that people with million dollar mortgages had houses worth only $100k.
Right now literally trailers (single and double wides) are selling for $100k, $200k, and even $300k and up. It's ridiculous. This WILL NOT LAST, a trailer will NOT be worth anything, it will go back to being worth $7,000 instead of the $100K+, and the people with that mortgage will file bankruptcy. And it won't be long now!
This is not like the California bubble which was spurred by two famous areas - Hollywood (LA/SoCal) and Silicon Valley (SanFran/NorCal), which brought in massive jobs and continue to do so. Those are rich areas and house rich people, and this is why those bubbles can sustain for so long - but as soon as Hollywood and/or Silicon Valley stop making so much money (which may be very soon), those housing markets will absolutely implode and decimate the population. It will be relegated to the third world (even though most of it already is now, but for a different reason).
Places like Southwest Florida do not have any important industries, and are not famous, and there's a reason few people lived there until now - there are no jobs, poor economy, and low wages. That's why houses there cost $50k just 2 years ago. In fact even now, employers are laying off people because of decreases in sales - DESPITE the continued influx of new people, although it is slowing. The only thing it had going for it was the FALSE ILLUSION that it was a white area (IT'S NOT) and that it had a good climate (IT DOES NOT!)
YOU DO NOT WANT TO MOVE TO FLORIDA! REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU ARE A CONSERVATIVE OR A LIBERAL! SAVE YOURSELF THE MONEY AND HEADACHE! I REGRET MOVING TO FLORIDA, AND YOU WILL TOO!
If you think that Florida is a tropical paradise, you are only half wrong. It's a tropical hellhole! And I lived in the nicest part of it (rich area)! Not worth it!
Why don't I completely regret moving to Florida? Because if I had not moved to south Florida, I would not know how much I HATED such HOT HOT HOT (and ultra humid) weather day and night! Don't make the same mistake! Don't move to Florida!
https://www.reddit.com/r/florida/comments/xjki1j/i_regret_moving_to_florida_i_already_left_you_do/
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2022, 05:10:54 PM
Dude moved somewhere to escape diversity without even checking to see that the state is 50% non-white, one of the highest ranking states, first. :lolQuoteI thought there would be a lack of diversity in SW Florida, I WAS WRONG, it's mostly hispanic.
https://www.reddit.com/r/florida/comments/xjki1j/i_regret_moving_to_florida_i_already_left_you_do/
Move to Massachusetts or Vermont if you want to hang out with only white people and avoid the heat buddy.
Post by: james on September 20, 2022, 05:24:35 PM
Dude moved somewhere to escape diversity without even checking to see that the state is 50% non-white, one of the highest ranking states, first. :lolQuoteI thought there would be a lack of diversity in SW Florida, I WAS WRONG, it's mostly hispanic.
https://www.reddit.com/r/florida/comments/xjki1j/i_regret_moving_to_florida_i_already_left_you_do/
Move to Massachusetts or Vermont if you want to hang out with only white people and avoid the heat buddy.
How To Buy LGB Coin (Let's Go Brandon) Cryptocurrency - Step By Step (rumble.com)
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Post by: Himu on September 20, 2022, 05:25:34 PM
Post by: james on September 20, 2022, 05:43:42 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2022, 06:04:40 PM
Bidens approval rating skyrocketed when the Dark Brandon memes started coming out
Its simple science
Democrats being surprised that doing popular things will make you (more) popular lol. He's had a good few months, I'll admit. When the student loan thing happened I was actually surprised at how good the underlining policies in there were. Most people talked about the 10k but the rest of that stuff was surprisingly liberal/progressive.
Flip side he's facing an opposition that decided to rip their mask off and reveal just how weird they are. After months of freakouts over CRT, trans shit, and whatever else they could throw at a wall to scare people they realized none of that shit matters more to regular voters than abortion. And "hey guys, a woman who got raped or is dying in child birth shouldn't be able to get an abortion" registers FAR higher on the What The Fuck scale than "wow look at this freaky book that's in the library" for most people.
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2022, 06:08:20 PM
Post by: Occam on September 20, 2022, 07:16:17 PM
The Atlantic endorses the Nintex theory of politik:
https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1571136910902312960
Hmm, that snake almost looks like a pretzel. Coincidence?
In unrelated pretzel con news:
https://twitter.com/fredlandia/status/1571611339671453698
How fitting, for these fake Christians.
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2022, 07:58:59 PM
Post by: Occam on September 20, 2022, 08:02:28 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2022, 08:07:04 PM
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2022, 08:07:05 PM
Finally, you didn't even answer the question.
Pretty sure you don't have to be part of the Roman Catholic Church to be a nun.
Quite right.
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2022, 08:13:10 PM
lol
Post by: Occam on September 20, 2022, 08:13:28 PM
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2022, 08:15:01 PM
Post by: Occam on September 20, 2022, 08:17:57 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2022, 08:32:53 PM
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2022, 09:48:33 PM
Post by: Tasty on September 20, 2022, 10:39:49 PM
Religion in world building :ohyeah
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2022, 11:14:43 PM
Post by: Potato on September 20, 2022, 11:17:37 PM
The problem is probably that in fiction everybody tends to take the religion as seriously as it deserves. Religious disputes in fiction are always about some serious important point that's plot relevant. Or it's mocking how the real world disputes seem to be more based around whether or not some guys in the past believed some other guy was left or right handed and then one time they got really heated about this so they killed a bunch of one dudes and took their land and nobody is ever going to let it go.Let's go religion :jeb
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2022, 11:21:27 PM
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Post by: Himu on September 20, 2022, 11:37:14 PM
Humans will always find a way to kill one another. At least religion prevents a nihilistic, atheistic, hedonistic worldview which results in mass aimlessnes, depression, and unhappiness. Not perfect, but no human institution is. Religion provides community, a place of belonging, and a hub for doing good deeds. Much better than I can say for nihilistic atheists who think they know better while thinking it's okay for gay sex offenders in drag to give tips to 10 year old children twerking. :yeshrug
Honestly the past few years have proved the religious right correct. Thankfully there's a God to follow even if we aren't perfect or we'd be lost. :bow
Post by: Tasty on September 20, 2022, 11:53:42 PM
The problem is probably that in fiction everybody tends to take the religion as seriously as it deserves.
That's because in fiction, God is real.
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Mostly speaking of mid/high-genre fiction. :kappa
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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2022, 11:53:52 PM
Religion as an excuse seems like a poor moral framework.
Post by: Himu on September 21, 2022, 12:01:33 AM
But you don't have to be religious to not be nihilist, atheist and/or hedonist.
Religion as an excuse seems like a poor moral framework.
You're right. You can believe in God and not be religious, but honestly how many are like that? And I mean beyond the whole "spiritual but not religious" line. Most people that mock religion also, per numbers, don't believe in God or the utility of religion. Religion keeps the fabric of society from falling into disarray. In a time of low birthrates it's the religious that are the ones that keep fucking and making babies. The religious keep society's engines well oiled.
Unfortunately it can be taken to an extreme, but it also has good fruits too.
To pretend that religion has offered the world nothing is ahistorical. You even have your beautiful libertarianism, and its key word - liberty - to thank religion for due to pre-enlightenment figures such as John Locke.
Where does less religion get us? A breakdown in our values, our culture, our traditions. The result? Anarchy. And giving money to twerking 10 year olds or propagating an agenda that children can choose their gender. Religion is needed to stop humans from venturing too far, much like Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit. It has utility.
Post by: james on September 21, 2022, 12:13:32 AM
twerking 10 year olds or propagating an agenda that children can choose their gender. Religion is needed to stop humans from venturing too far
Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 my dude.
Is your concern that 10 is too old?
Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2022, 12:17:23 AM
Post by: Himu on September 21, 2022, 02:33:02 AM
I think your single variable correlation is spurious and the causation is not in evidence.
Either way, you don't need religion for morality. Especially in the modern world. However, it does act as a totem pole for community and gives people meaning and hope. There's merit to that. The need for religion is embedded into humanity, if you don't have a religion it's probably politics or sports. But unlike religion, those two things don't make ones life feel more fulfilling. Man that works at the office all the time might wonder what the point in life is, while his religious co-worker is more happy and more fulfilled. Without religion multiple boys and young men have no sense of belonging or community or even people to look up to and have fallen into a nihilistic state. People mock thoughts and prayers but prayer creates real grit to adversity. There's something hopeful in what prayer brings. Religion brings more than rules to ones life.
These are just facts. Choose to accept them if you want.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23146600/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/01/31/are-religious-people-happier-healthier-our-new-global-study-explores-this-question/
With growing anti-religion movements it's no wonder there's increased depression, mental illness, and anxiety. :) Also normalization of LGBTQ, breaking social norms;etc. Thankfully there is a God that is all forgiving and eternally merciful when we genuinely ask for forgiveness.
Post by: Occam on September 21, 2022, 03:37:59 AM
Thankfully there is a God that is all forgiving and eternally merciful when we genuinely ask for forgiveness.
The difference between delusion and mental illness is that one is self inflicted, and the other is involuntary. Which is it for you? A little from column A and a little from column B?
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 03:47:47 AM
"Look as these wonderful traditions and houses of worship. We must defend religious freedom in Afghanistan with all our might. Why don't you want a mosque in your street it's spiritual!"
"Wow these farmers in Ukraine are such brave fighters and have truely found their calling fighting against opression. Let's give them all the guns they need."
Also liberals:
"lmao people that believe in god are mentally ill."
"Farmers? You mean those thugs that destroy the climate?"
Post by: Occam on September 21, 2022, 04:22:46 AM
Also Nintex: "Durr"
Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 21, 2022, 04:54:03 AM
"PRETZEL PRETZEL PRETZEL!"
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 21, 2022, 07:34:54 AM
Its simple science
Simp science.
Post by: chronovore on September 21, 2022, 07:36:42 AM
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 08:26:13 AM
Nintex: "Hurr"There are 5.8 billion religiously affiliated adults and children around the globe.
Also Nintex: "Durr"
The point is, if you call Himu mentally challenged just for believing in a higher power, you consider them all mentally ill or deluded.
Now I have no problem with making such a generalization about billions of people myself but I'm not sure if this is how you feel.
Post by: Uncle on September 21, 2022, 09:49:36 AM
- marilyn manson: satanist in the 90s, sexual abuser in the 2020s
- dungeons and dragons: demonic in the 80s, racist in the 2020s
- harry potter: evil witchcraft in the 2000s, transphobic in the 2010s
- sexy outfits in media: scandalous and anti-christian in the 90s, misogynist and problematic in the 2020s
- rap music: violent and frightening in the 90s, perpetuates misogyny in the 2020s
- bill maher: anti-religion in the 2000s, anti-progressive in the 2020s
- south park: crude and degenerate in the 90s, -phobic in the 2020s
- classic books dealing with early American racial tension: banned for the N word in the 90s, banned for being written by whites in the 2020s
why the fuck didn't we listen
:stahp
I have converted and will keep both ears wide open, the predictions of christ's followers always bear fruit in the end 🙏
Post by: james on September 21, 2022, 10:09:15 AM
progressivism has taught me that fundamentalists have always been correct and should've been listened to from the beginning
- marilyn manson: satanist in the 90s, sexual abuser in the 2020s
- dungeons and dragons: demonic in the 80s, racist in the 2020s
- harry potter: evil witchcraft in the 2000s, transphobic in the 2010s
- sexy outfits in media: scandalous and anti-christian in the 90s, misogynist and problematic in the 2020s
- rap music: violent and frightening in the 90s, perpetuates misogyny in the 2020s
- bill maher: anti-religion in the 2000s, anti-progressive in the 2020s
- south park: crude and degenerate in the 90s, -phobic in the 2020s
- classic books dealing with early American racial tension: banned for the N word in the 90s, banned for being written by whites in the 2020s
why the fuck didn't we listen
:stahp
I have converted and will keep both ears wide open, the predictions of christ's followers always bear fruit in the end 🙏
Wow when you put it like that its clear as day!
How much praying do I need to do before I get called on to blow up a school?
Post by: Uncle on September 21, 2022, 10:14:04 AM
Wow when you put it like that its clear as day!
How much praying do I need to do before I get called on to blow up a school?
- public schools: not blown up by christians in the 90s, accordingly not blown up in the 2020s
stay strong brother 🙏
Post by: james on September 21, 2022, 10:22:39 AM
Wow when you put it like that its clear as day!
How much praying do I need to do before I get called on to blow up a school?
- public schools: not blown up by christians in the 90s, accordingly not blown up in the 2020s
stay strong brother 🙏
Christianity has too much child diddling, Im considering joining the beard boys
Post by: Transhuman on September 21, 2022, 12:00:09 PM
Post by: james on September 21, 2022, 01:06:25 PM
https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1570771599091179520
https://twitter.com/activistjyot/status/1571434480136781827
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2022, 01:13:49 PM
Pretty much as expected. Trump didn't declassify anything, stole sensitive documents and is apparently about to get his shit kicked in by the special master he requested.
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 21, 2022, 01:16:42 PM
https://twitter.com/NewYorkStateAG/status/1572611511750639618
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 01:23:43 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdMdBINWAAIyBy0?format=jpg)
Fact check
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FckTt4qX0AIDK9R?format=jpg)
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1572611763387998216 (https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1572611763387998216)
Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2022, 01:26:40 PM
Either way, you don't need religion for morality. Especially in the modern world. However, it does act as a totem pole for community and gives people meaning and hope. There's merit to that. The need for religion is embedded into humanity, if you don't have a religion it's probably politics or sports. But unlike religion, those two things don't make ones life feel more fulfilling. Man that works at the office all the time might wonder what the point in life is, while his religious co-worker is more happy and more fulfilled. Without religion multiple boys and young men have no sense of belonging or community or even people to look up to and have fallen into a nihilistic state. People mock thoughts and prayers but prayer creates real grit to adversity. There's something hopeful in what prayer brings. Religion brings more than rules to ones life.Just stating theories does not actually make them facts. What are you, some kind of progressive?
These are just facts. Choose to accept them if you want.
Post by: james on September 21, 2022, 01:29:01 PM
(https://c.tenor.com/I8BiyAbhDlsAAAAC/simpsons-germs.gif)
Post by: james on September 21, 2022, 01:55:52 PM
https://twitter.com/Ancommiey/status/1572403030414221313
https://twitter.com/MahyarTousi/status/1572139513673121793
Post by: james on September 21, 2022, 04:36:19 PM
Post by: BIONIC on September 21, 2022, 05:15:48 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on September 21, 2022, 05:16:30 PM
Post by: Potato on September 21, 2022, 05:38:49 PM
5.8 billion? Well, I'd say a significant proportion of them are just hedging their bets. Mental illness is probably pretty high among the restNintex: "Hurr"There are 5.8 billion religiously affiliated adults and children around the globe.
Also Nintex: "Durr"
The point is, if you call Himu mentally challenged just for believing in a higher power, you consider them all mentally ill or deluded.
Now I have no problem with making such a generalization about billions of people myself but I'm not sure if this is how you feel.
Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2022, 06:07:06 PM
https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1572617457319219202
THE KWEEN :preach
Post by: Tasty on September 21, 2022, 06:11:08 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on September 21, 2022, 06:12:36 PM
(https://imgur.com/rmtY2YU.jpg)
Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2022, 06:15:18 PM
Twitter is such fucking garbage. :snoopEndlessly people doing this with every topic:
https://twitter.com/dril/status/841892608788041732
spoiler (click to show/hide)
LIKE AND RT IF YOU AGREE!
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Post by: BIONIC on September 21, 2022, 06:16:13 PM
God, she's been tweeting like 500 times a day for the past 10+ years
(https://imgur.com/rmtY2YU.jpg)
She’s like 60 too :dead
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 06:19:35 PM
:likeTwitter is such fucking garbage. :snoopEndlessly people doing this with every topic:
https://twitter.com/dril/status/841892608788041732spoiler (click to show/hide)LIKE AND RT IF YOU AGREE![close]
Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2022, 06:21:16 PM
https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1572623241440641024God, she's been tweeting like 500 times a day for the past 10+ years
(https://imgur.com/rmtY2YU.jpg)
She’s like 60 too :dead
Post by: james on September 21, 2022, 06:27:43 PM
God, she's been tweeting like 500 times a day for the past 10+ years
703.9K Followers
The fuck
I got excited when I broke 200
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 06:30:42 PM
No way Donnie Trump will wiggle himself out of this jam.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2022, 06:47:17 PM
Only reason I think the fed/classified case can fuck Trump is because he can't delay the feds forever, and they're not gonna run out of money. But this NY state shit? I'd bet money that won't go anywhere.
Post by: Nintex on September 21, 2022, 07:03:46 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on September 21, 2022, 07:16:59 PM
There's no shortage people who were born yesterday.
"It's just a civil suit."
"NAH THIS TIME IT'S THE BIG ONE."
Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2022, 07:23:15 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2022, 07:56:34 PM
https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1572730302623256577
:lol
As I said...delay tactics not working with the feds, DOJ etc.
Post by: Maiden Voyage on September 22, 2022, 09:06:18 AM
Trump trying to flee from the feds in his golf cart will be a sight to see
I imagine this playing out in-game GTA Vice City.
Post by: Nintex on September 22, 2022, 03:25:04 PM
:wut
Post by: Occam on September 22, 2022, 06:50:29 PM
(https://whdh.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/03/hypatia-h_61617ac0d7d7feff4ef316bcb5dedbe0-h_807666be06e0aa976d3b6d30d94f0eed.jpg)
Post by: Nintex on September 22, 2022, 06:51:33 PM
:trumps
Post by: Occam on September 22, 2022, 06:56:30 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/22/hale-cusanelli-sentencing-jan-6/
Que???
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 23, 2022, 02:43:18 AM
:hesright
Post by: Nintex on September 23, 2022, 05:49:11 AM
"documents send to Mar-a-lago or wherever" :lol
National archives? Radical left librarians :lol
Trump's defense is basically the President can do whatever he wants, Constitutional scholars have their work cut out for them.
Post by: Propagandhim on September 23, 2022, 09:59:58 AM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1572790894834913280
:hesright
I know this is obvious, but...what's the point of the law, then Donald? If I can run a red light and just say "in my mind, it was green. And so it was green" to the cop, then why have the law against running red lights in the first place? Nobody is going to say, "Darn! It was red in my mind, too!" How does a president have such little knowledge about his own powers and have the awareness for so much recklessness with them, at the same time.
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2022, 05:09:37 PM
I know this is obvious, but...what's the point of the law, then Donald? If I can run a red light and just say "in my mind, it was green. And so it was green" to the cop, then why have the law against running red lights in the first place? Nobody is going to say, "Darn! It was red in my mind, too!" How does a president have such little knowledge about his own powers and have the awareness for so much recklessness with them, at the same time.Nothing he's done since actually taking office has dissuaded me from the belief that he doesn't care what the law is and thinks the President is the country's CEO and can do whatever he wants because that's how the various Trump corporations were always organized except when he personally lost control over them when they went bankrupt or faced criminal charges. On The Apprentice he often struggled with the idea that contestants may not simply obey whoever was put in charge for that task and may act in other ways and often based on whether or not they like/dislike someone especially due to things that had happened prior. Unless Carolyn or later Ivanka pointed it out Trump was often easily bamboozled by people who would deliberately sabotage situations (or just do something incredibly stupid) and then claim it was poor leadership that caused them to do this which would lead Trump to spending all his time attacking and questioning the task leader while letting the subordinate off the hook.
Most of Trump's personnel decisions throughout his term culminating in the utter betrayal he felt at both Pence and his Supreme Court nominees (and lower court nominees and even people Trump didn't put in office but were merely just also Republicans) upholding the law rather than acting in Trump's personal favor can only lead me to conclude he has not changed at all on this.
Post by: Nintex on September 23, 2022, 05:33:22 PM
:holeup
Post by: who is ted danson? on September 23, 2022, 06:15:29 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2022, 06:31:11 PM
twitter.com/dioerasabbath/status/1572974889329360897(https://i.imgur.com/c5ZfAAO.png)
wat
Post by: Occam on September 23, 2022, 06:38:33 PM
A few days ago Colbert did a (way too short) interview with Ken Burns, about his latest documentary, The U.S. and the Holocaust.
I have to admit, despite watching several of his excellent documentaries, I had no idea what he looks like (or how old he is).
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uOBdQJQ9FJs
And you should watch the documentary. It's six hours long (3 parts).
In fact, it should be required viewing for people who buy MAGA hats or think there's an apostrophe in the word Nazis.
Post by: Occam on September 23, 2022, 06:47:48 PM
It's shameful that it's still being used 77 years after Hitler.
Post by: Nintex on September 23, 2022, 07:16:34 PM
Although I agree with the one human race theory in principle, you have to realize that if races and ethnicities are gone so is the ability to call out racism or laws that protect people from racism.
Take the current draft in Russia for example, they're clearly not calling up the Slavs but the Central Asians and other groups.
Putin has decided though that there is only one "Russian" identity and all these various ethnicities and nationalities such as Ukrainians do not exist.
Post by: Occam on September 23, 2022, 07:44:04 PM
Of course there is ethnicity, as I wrote above. There just are no races. By using the term "race" to classify people you give credence to and perpetuate long discredited pseudoscience.
Yay, science.
A racist is a person who believes in racial theory.
Post by: Uncle on September 23, 2022, 07:48:49 PM
Post by: Occam on September 23, 2022, 07:50:11 PM
Human behavioural traits and intelligence are not predetermined by ethnicity.
If you believe they are, congratulations, you are a racist.
Post by: Uncle on September 23, 2022, 07:51:26 PM
Black people need to correctly start talking about how they've been affected by ethnicism rather than relying on historical AAVE word usage
Post by: Occam on September 23, 2022, 07:53:40 PM
Racism exists. It's the believe that individual races exist and that some of them are superior, and others are inferior.
Post by: Himu on September 23, 2022, 07:54:45 PM
Post by: Occam on September 23, 2022, 07:56:26 PM
Post by: Uncle on September 23, 2022, 08:03:45 PM
I am shocked that you have a hard time grasping the concept that there are no biologically separate races of homo sapiens. Shocked.
if you were to compose a post like that, speaking to the medical needs of different groups of humans, what word usage would you prescribe instead?
Post by: Himu on September 23, 2022, 08:04:42 PM
Stunning videos showing how religion provides community, a place of belonging, and a hub for doing good deeds.
https://twitter.com/Ancommiey/status/1572403030414221313
https://twitter.com/MahyarTousi/status/1572139513673121793
Muslim people != Muslim leaders
The fact that the people are protesting the government because the government wants to enforce the law their way with wrong action actually proves my point. The government killed a woman because her hijab was worn "wrong" and the people, mostly women, disagree with it and are protesting it. Instead of seeing that there's various trains of thought within Islam and people literally fighting for their person hood from a totalitarian government you use it as a point to prove a case against religion when...those people are mobilized for their freedom of religious expression? People united to express their religion the way they want shows Islam doesn't act as community?
This actually proves my point about atheist delusion and ignorance. You probably aren't even familiar with the various schools of thought within Islam. It's just Islam to you. This speaks to only your ignorance and embarrasses only yourself so I'm not particularly mad.
You should be mad at governments, especially those impacted by colonionalism. If there's one brand of Islam you should be mad at it is Al Wahhabiyah and Salafis, who are extremists curated from a philosophy only two centuries old. Saudi Arabia, that desert dust bowl of ignorance, is the main export of it as per their government and reach. Saudis have and are poisoning a well. If you're going to talk smack at least learn your shit.
Post by: Propagandhim on September 23, 2022, 08:27:48 PM
:thinking
Post by: Occam on September 23, 2022, 08:28:01 PM
I am shocked that you have a hard time grasping the concept that there are no biologically separate races of homo sapiens. Shocked.
if you were to compose a post like that, speaking to the medical needs of different groups of humans, what word usage would you prescribe instead?
Geographic origin? Understanding that there are slight genetic differences/mutations is not the same as believing that distinct "races" exist.
Post by: Himu on September 23, 2022, 08:30:19 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2022, 09:54:02 PM
As Burns correctly points out, there is only one human race, there aren't multiple races. That is debunked pseudoscience, and has been for nearly a century. Americans need to stop using the term when referring to people of different ethnicity/geographic origin.The United States Census defines race as sociocultural groups, not biological ones. The standards and created groups (like Hispanic) trickle down from there because the Census is the source of demographic data. A switch to ethnic data has been dissuaded because of concerns that people will not identify accurately. Also that any further subgrouping will undermine solidarity concerns.
It's shameful that it's still being used 77 years after Hitler.
I don't give a fuck about "liberal" talking points.Then you disagree fundamentally with anti-racists who claim the most essential component of someone is their race and all other things sit below their racial group as defined biologically. Lead scholar Ibram X. Kendi and others in the CRT schools advocate that racial concerns should trump all others including the rule of law, democracy, etc.
Of course there is ethnicity, as I wrote above. There just are no races. By using the term "race" to classify people you give credence to and perpetuate long discredited pseudoscience.
Yay, science.
A racist is a person who believes in racial theory.
Post by: Uncle on September 23, 2022, 10:52:57 PM
:science
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2022, 11:35:26 PM
when they say racial concerns, they mean ethnic concerns, because using the exact technically correct word is more important than getting your point across to the listenerWhite is not an ethnicity, fascist! :ufup
:science
Post by: Potato on September 24, 2022, 01:13:17 AM
I don't give a fuck about "liberal" talking points.I see your point and it is a noble stance, but that line of thinking legitimises this :dolezal
Of course there is ethnicity, as I wrote above. There just are no races. By using the term "race" to classify people you give credence to and perpetuate long discredited pseudoscience.
Yay, science.
A racist is a person who believes in racial theory.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 24, 2022, 03:06:29 AM
Post by: Potato on September 24, 2022, 05:30:02 AM
I still don't understand how that's any different from the gender stuff.It's not. You can't change your genetics any sooner than you can change your chromosomes
Post by: Nintex on September 24, 2022, 05:55:12 AM
Just look at how quickly we ended up with the vaccinated and unvaccinated. It didn't even matter why you weren't unvaccinated, you were just part of the same group which meant less rights than everybody else.
And just like in Nazi Germany those policies were created mostly by the scientists and the elites with popular support.
The identity of the Jews has always been a touchy subject. But most of them believe their origins are the same and they have a list of arbitrary rules that decide if you can live in their Jewish state or not.
Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 24, 2022, 05:59:06 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on September 24, 2022, 06:05:04 AM
Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2022, 08:24:31 PM
The identity of the Jews has always been a touchy subject. But most of them believe their origins are the same and they have a list of arbitrary rules that decide if you can live in their Jewish state or not.Which countries do not have a list of arbitrary rules to decide this?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2022, 11:27:05 PM
They used to make fun of conservatives(and Colbert did this all the time) who said they weren't racist because they didn't see color which is a talking point that the liberals have now taken over.This is a disingenuous argument. Arguing that there are no real genetic differences between races doesn't mean race as a social construct doesn't exist, or that racism doesn't exist. No one on the left is making that argument. If anything it's brought up to essentially say "we're all the same genetically so why are you being weird by being racist."
Although I agree with the one human race theory in principle, you have to realize that if races and ethnicities are gone so is the ability to call out racism or laws that protect people from racism.
Take the current draft in Russia for example, they're clearly not calling up the Slavs but the Central Asians and other groups.
Putin has decided though that there is only one "Russian" identity and all these various ethnicities and nationalities such as Ukrainians do not exist.
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2022, 01:24:42 AM
Quote from: https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/24/politics/liz-cheney-republican-party-donald-trump-2024/
Wyoming GOP Rep. Liz Cheney said at The Texas Tribune festival Saturday that if former President Donald Trump becomes the Republican Party's nominee for president in 2024, she will not remain a Republican.No, stop, don't go...
"I'm going to make sure Donald Trump, I'm going to do everything I can to make sure he is not the nominee. And if he is the nominee, I won't be a Republican," Cheney said.
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But, Cheney would not go as far as saying that she wants Democrats to keep control of the House of Representatives after the midterm elections.
Cheney said there are a lot of "bad policies" in the Biden administration but added, "I think it's really important though, as voters are going to vote, that they recognize and understand what the Republican Conference consists of in the House of Representatives today."
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Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2022, 04:33:21 AM
:pika
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1573901982527528960 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1573901982527528960)
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2022, 11:01:01 PM
Okay, starting my list of most pro-murderer candidates:
1. John Fetterman
2. J.D. Vance (?)
3. ...
Post by: Tasty on September 26, 2022, 01:11:13 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 26, 2022, 01:39:14 PM
Inflation can't be stopped but central banks will try by increasing interest rates. This won't work because they keep printing money.
Higher interest rates will cause a recession and various markets (housing, insurance etc.) will collapse.
He says this is a 'fall of the Roman empire' moment for the US and that the destruction will be monumental.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 26, 2022, 02:06:48 PM
Is it going to take a giant bank or mega corp collapsing for them to admit it?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2022, 03:49:36 PM
Carl Icahn thinks the game is up.:gddr5
Inflation can't be stopped but central banks will try by increasing interest rates. This won't work because they keep printing money.
Higher interest rates will cause a recession and various markets (housing, insurance etc.) will collapse.
He says this is a 'fall of the Roman empire' moment for the US and that the destruction will be monumental.
lmao wut
Post by: james on September 27, 2022, 02:41:21 PM
Carl Icahn thinks the game is up.
Inflation can't be stopped but central banks will try by increasing interest rates. This won't work because they keep printing money.
Higher interest rates will cause a recession and various markets (housing, insurance etc.) will collapse.
He says this is a 'fall of the Roman empire' moment for the US and that the destruction will be monumental.
If you haven't bought your Glen Beck post collapse survival kit you still have time.
Use code JamesFund at checkout for a free ounce of gold and 2 premium meal kits
Post by: Nintex on September 27, 2022, 05:48:01 PM
is this even real
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 27, 2022, 07:06:17 PM
Post by: Uncle on September 27, 2022, 07:36:11 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 27, 2022, 07:38:40 PM
twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1574825589105725458(https://assets.simpleviewinc.com/simpleview/image/fetch/c_fill,h_263,q_75,w_600/https://assets.simpleviewcms.com/simpleview/image/upload/v1/clients/kansas/Kansas_Tourism_Cover_Facebook_1__f65a43fa-9f97-48c8-acc6-903e1a14c2c5.jpg)
Quote from: https://www.travelks.com/blog/stories/post/kansas-new-tourism-tagline-as-relevant-as-ever/
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2022, 09:16:29 AM
https://twitter.com/mauvesbot/status/1574846364332265480
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2022, 09:37:47 AM
https://archive.ph/2022.09.27-133708/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2022, 10:12:39 AM
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1574870713047126017
This is not the job of the White House. Can't wait for the next GOP president and for liberals to FREAK OUT when the GOP uses the WH Twitter to shit on Dems. :facepalm
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2022, 10:28:43 AM
But in terms of today let me get this straight. The chair of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, who has recruited or endorsed a collection of terrible candidates in direct opposition to Mitch McConnell's preferences, put out a plan for America that literally calls for invalidating all federal programs/legislation every five years unless 60 senators can agree to restore it. Said person has also spent much of the year warring with the senate minority leader, who also happens to be at odds with Trump. Said person is also seemingly positioning himself to replace McConnell as minority leader. But democrats are wrong for highlighting this plan and forcing republican candidates to get on record.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1569891437780832256
:lol
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2022, 11:32:48 AM
The problem is captured states and lack of moderate politics.
Texas is a captured state. California is a captured state. Texas Democrat candidates like Beto tend to run like a progressive in California; California Republicans run like a Texan conservative. There's no moderation dependent on the locale. If Beto had ran a more moderate campaign he would have beaten Cruz in 2018. Instead he chose to run like a Californian in Texas. You can't do that and the Democratic party would be fair more successful in Texas and Republicans in California if they made concessions. Democrats could do well here but have chosen to be viewed as toxic and prove Texan conservatives right. Too often it comes across as if they're trying to appeal to the national party rather than to actual state/local issues. No matter your viewpoint, you can't campaign in Texas, the Lone star state - home of cowboys galore - and expect to win when going on record to say,"yes we will take your guns!" And that's just one issue on the table. They aren't campaigning to win. They're campaigning to get points with the national party.
The weirdest thing is that you would expect opposing parties in captured states to you know, moderate. But for whatever reason they don't.
Post by: Nintex on September 28, 2022, 11:53:24 AM
The peacemaker
Post by: Propagandhim on September 28, 2022, 12:01:27 PM
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2022, 12:14:57 PM
Also, what kind of deal could either side want? Russia wants Ukraine; Ukraine wants its survival as a nation. Russia has invested too much into this war to simply back out because it's on Putin's head if they do.
Finally, for the first time in my life I'm grateful that we pump the amount we do into military. Might truly is right. Boomers weren't wrong :obama
Post by: Tasty on September 28, 2022, 01:00:54 PM
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1574825589105725458 (https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1574825589105725458)
is this even real
I mean, Clark Kent personifies Kansas's brand pretty well.
Dorothy Gale too.
Post by: Tasty on September 28, 2022, 01:03:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdvoRyjWAAEbMju?format=jpg)
The peacemaker
"I will head up group???"
When did Trump turn into an ESL tech intern?
Post by: Tasty on September 28, 2022, 01:04:30 PM
Gotta love the way Don sells himself. :lol
Also, what kind of deal could either side want? Russia wants Ukraine; Ukraine wants its survival as a nation. Russia has invested too much into this war to simply back out because it's on Putin's head if they do.
Finally, for the first time in my life I'm grateful that we pump the amount we do into military. Might truly is right. Boomers weren't wrong :obama
*Has* Russia actually, publicly said what they want out of the war?
If you have no stated, achievable goal going in then it seems like war for war's sake. What did he tell Russian citizens? Is that still the same line these days? How long can they move the goalpost before national fatigue sets in? :thinking
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2022, 01:14:19 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2022, 01:39:19 PM
What would not have happened? :lolI'd imagine...Trump kneecapping US intel in early 2022, claiming he's seen no evidence that an invasion is imminent. Followed by refusing to condemn Putin after the invasion, and little to no military aid to Ukraine.
Post by: Uncle on September 28, 2022, 02:05:05 PM
https://twitter.com/_queenbitc/status/1575134375020302336
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2022, 02:29:23 PM
https://twitter.com/politvidchannel/status/1575130882519666690
https://twitter.com/_queenbitc/status/1575134375020302336
She's a piss poor reporter but that's not a crime lol.
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2022, 03:09:52 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 28, 2022, 05:46:29 PM
:what
Post by: Potato on September 28, 2022, 06:03:46 PM
Unlike the US in Iraq and Afghanistan, they decided against publicly stating that the goal was explicitly "regime change". Kind of understand why considering how those wars turned out.Gotta love the way Don sells himself. :lol
Also, what kind of deal could either side want? Russia wants Ukraine; Ukraine wants its survival as a nation. Russia has invested too much into this war to simply back out because it's on Putin's head if they do.
Finally, for the first time in my life I'm grateful that we pump the amount we do into military. Might truly is right. Boomers weren't wrong :obama
*Has* Russia actually, publicly said what they want out of the war?
If you have no stated, achievable goal going in then it seems like war for war's sake. What did he tell Russian citizens? Is that still the same line these days? How long can they move the goalpost before national fatigue sets in? :thinking
Post by: Potato on September 28, 2022, 06:04:19 PM
Last I checked Russians supported the war but that was when it first started.Maybe go and check now that conscription has started.
Post by: Nintex on September 28, 2022, 06:06:49 PM
:wut
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2022, 08:50:56 PM
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1574870713047126017This is like saying that investors paid for their "accounts" in Bernie Madoff's fund. :trumps
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2022, 08:52:54 PM
https://twitter.com/politvidchannel/status/1575130882519666690By "prominent lawyer" here they mean #Resistence Blue Check and former prosecutor Tristan Snell who constantly tweets about how he knows nothing about the law (many such cases):
https://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes/status/1574649621602717696
https://twitter.com/damintoell/status/1574650646900445185
In any case, all Trump told Haberman is that he had Big Beautiful Documents, not that they were classified or anything specific.
Post by: Occam on September 28, 2022, 11:32:54 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 29, 2022, 07:50:12 AM
https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1575449660596146176 (https://twitter.com/BarryOnHere/status/1575449660596146176)
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1575268206679302145 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1575268206679302145)
Nature is healing
Post by: Himu on September 29, 2022, 09:19:18 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/yf8yBxG/ejej4z5yaoq91.jpg)
Can we stop calling that stuff socialism? Also it's bizarre how people use a hurricane to dunk political points. I don't like conservatives doing that to liberal areas too. It's so binary and disgusting. "Hur hur, floridans getting what they deserve" "hyuck hyuck Oregon getting what they deserve with these fires" as if all floridans are Republican living in the sticks next to an alligator nest and all Oregonians are super Liberal Progressives with purple hair from Portland.
It makes a mockery of the human loss and even further divides this nation. I really don't like it.
Post by: Nintex on September 29, 2022, 10:07:15 AM
:trumps
Post by: Himu on September 29, 2022, 11:21:19 AM
:sabu
I miss Trump foreign policy, his treatment of Muslim nations aside
Post by: Nintex on September 29, 2022, 12:17:18 PM
https://twitter.com/justin_fenton/status/1575504687616479237 (https://twitter.com/justin_fenton/status/1575504687616479237)
:wut
Post by: Himu on September 29, 2022, 12:31:04 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2022, 12:42:26 PM
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-pulse/2022/09/29/early-data-suggests-monkeypox-vaccine-may-be-working-cdc-says-00059359
Surprised and impressed by the response to that shit. Seems largely like a concerted community response (from the communities most impacted by monkeypox) turned the tide despite vaccine availability being limited.
Post by: Himu on September 29, 2022, 12:44:18 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2022, 01:09:21 PM
Isn't it mostly affecting gay men?Yes, predominantly. There were high infection rates early but it's pretty much been nuked by community action and the vaccine.
Post by: Himu on September 29, 2022, 01:43:52 PM
Post by: james on September 29, 2022, 01:57:12 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMyGod/status/1575531681921966081
Post by: Himu on September 29, 2022, 02:02:55 PM
To be human truly is to be lost and imperfect. Subhanallah.
Post by: BIONIC on September 29, 2022, 02:09:18 PM
God works in mysterious ways
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMyGod/status/1575531681921966081
Praise Allah :blessup
Post by: Himu on September 29, 2022, 02:11:04 PM
God works in mysterious ways
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMyGod/status/1575531681921966081
Praise Allah :blessup
:bow
Indeed.
Post by: Himu on September 29, 2022, 05:17:23 PM
:preach :usacry
Post by: Occam on September 29, 2022, 05:26:28 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/yf8yBxG/ejej4z5yaoq91.jpg)
Can we stop calling that stuff socialism? Also it's bizarre how people use a hurricane to dunk political points. I don't like conservatives doing that to liberal areas too. It's so binary and disgusting. "Hur hur, floridans getting what they deserve" "hyuck hyuck Oregon getting what they deserve with these fires" as if all floridans are Republican living in the sticks next to an alligator nest and all Oregonians are super Liberal Progressives with purple hair from Portland.
It makes a mockery of the human loss and even further divides this nation. I really don't like it.
(https://i.ibb.co/TtHqjLH/karma-yo-bitch-v0-r74bpaei1pq91.jpg)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2022, 05:36:52 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2022, 06:27:42 PM
God works in mysterious waysLike I'm supposed to believe that Dick Cheney took the Hurricane directing device with him when he left the White House? Not a chance the feds don't have more than one.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMyGod/status/1575531681921966081
Post by: Occam on September 29, 2022, 07:09:15 PM
Special master Raymond Dearie had told Donald Trump’s attorneys to address whether documents were, as Trump has claimed, planted or declassified
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/29/cannon-dearie-trump-documents-classified/
LOL
Post by: Himu on September 30, 2022, 12:39:26 AM
If we really want to get into the weeds, the only political party that regularly votes against disaster aide are republicans. Including what, damn near 200 voting against the Hurricane Ida aide last year because congress also needed to raise the debt limit? Or senate wise, Ted Cruz regularly voting against aide unless it's for Texas. Rand Paul doing the same for Kentucky.
Yeah it's pretty ridiculous how Republicans do this and don't get enough shit for it.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 30, 2022, 09:26:17 AM
Mixture of Reaganomics and anti-trade caveman shit, without the dollar to save you. Good fucking luck.
Post by: Himu on September 30, 2022, 09:57:48 AM
What is going on in these polls :dahell
Post by: Nintex on September 30, 2022, 02:31:09 PM
I'm not sure if abortion rights (that haven't really changed in most places either) is a big enough issue for voters to offset their general dissapointment in the Democrats.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 30, 2022, 03:14:44 PM
The Republicans are gaining in nearly all the polls. Which is obvious considering the economy is the hot button issue.
I'm not sure if abortion rights (that haven't really changed in most places either) is a big enough issue for voters to offset their general dissapointment in the Democrats.
The problem for republicans is the abortion issue changes the dynamics of who will be voting. Ever since that Kansas abortion vote, women voting has gone up significantly in nearly every noteworthy primary contest. Dems matched or exceeded Biden's 2020 district numbers as well. Largely due to increases in women. I expect that to hold into election day barring some disaster.
If dems had a 20 seat edge in the house I'd put money on dems holding the house. Because it's only a 5 seat margin or something like that, republicans will win. But I'm nearly 100% confident democrats hold the senate. And more importantly they're sailing to victories in the MI and PA governor races, which bodes well for 2024.
If you told me 7 months ago that dems would hold the senate, hold MI/PA (and possibly WI) governor seats I'd be thrilled. It guarantees a shot at another Supreme Court judge before the next presidential election.
Post by: Himu on September 30, 2022, 04:36:19 PM
The Republicans are gaining in nearly all the polls. Which is obvious considering the economy is the hot button issue.
I'm not sure if abortion rights (that haven't really changed in most places either) is a big enough issue for voters to offset their general dissapointment in the Democrats.
I'm not sure if abortion will save the Democrats midterm chances the closer the election gets and the further away Dobbs is in rearview. Abortion hasn't been in the news lately at all for example.
Dems will lose the House. As for Senate, I have no idea. Things aren't looking good for Biden and the Democrats, though. They have no bench and will lose 2024.
Post by: Himu on September 30, 2022, 04:52:10 PM
The Republicans are gaining in nearly all the polls. Which is obvious considering the economy is the hot button issue.
I'm not sure if abortion rights (that haven't really changed in most places either) is a big enough issue for voters to offset their general dissapointment in the Democrats.
The problem for republicans is the abortion issue changes the dynamics of who will be voting. Ever since that Kansas abortion vote, women voting has gone up significantly in nearly every noteworthy primary contest. Dems matched or exceeded Biden's 2020 district numbers as well. Largely due to increases in women. I expect that to hold into election day barring some disaster.
If dems had a 20 seat edge in the house I'd put money on dems holding the house. Because it's only a 5 seat margin or something like that, republicans will win. But I'm nearly 100% confident democrats hold the senate. And more importantly they're sailing to victories in the MI and PA governor races, which bodes well for 2024.
If you told me 7 months ago that dems would hold the senate, hold MI/PA (and possibly WI) governor seats I'd be thrilled. It guarantees a shot at another Supreme Court judge before the next presidential election.
There is merit to the woman voting surge. We will see. What I don't understand is the swings to GOP in recent polls. Not sure about SCOTUS though.
Per 538:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/women-have-swung-toward-democrats-since-the-dobbs-decision/
Post by: benjipwns on September 30, 2022, 05:29:49 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3667715-fettermans-lead-over-oz-shrinks-in-pennsylvania-senate-race-poll/Spread looks about the same to me: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/pa/pennsylvania_senate_oz_vs_fetterman-7695.html
What is going on in these polls :dahell
It guarantees a shot at another Supreme Court judge before the next presidential election.Clarence is only going to be 76.
Post by: Nintex on September 30, 2022, 06:57:37 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 01, 2022, 04:46:51 AM
Post by: benjipwns on October 01, 2022, 09:48:11 PM
:hmm
Post by: Propagandhim on October 01, 2022, 10:14:10 PM
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2022, 11:09:23 PM
https://twitter.com/matildabress/status/1575832652892246016 (https://twitter.com/matildabress/status/1575832652892246016)
TEAM BETO won't leave me alone
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2022, 11:10:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fd8OOpSXoAEEC7k?format=jpg&name=small)
:hmm
Coco Chow :dead
But death wish? Someone defend turtle man :tocry
Why does Trump have to be so hilarious? It makes you want to like him. :(
Post by: Nintex on October 02, 2022, 07:53:06 AM
https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1576395252168015875 (https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1576395252168015875)
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1576387156699815936 (https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1576387156699815936)
Trump's going all in, 2 more rallies announced for next week.
Post by: Himu on October 02, 2022, 02:07:28 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2022, 11:59:08 AM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2022, 01:04:36 PM
These people are insane.
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2022, 02:00:04 PM
Here's a hurricane rescue worker, thanked by Biden who will be fired because he refuses to get the vaccine.
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1576799260246409216 (https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1576799260246409216)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2022, 02:35:43 PM
Post by: jorma on October 03, 2022, 03:36:39 PM
Who cares. It's 2022, most employers and universities require certain vaccinations or a TB test for employment or enrollment. This wasn't a controversial concept until a certain group of people went insane over a pandemic they deemed to be fake or overblown.
It's 2022 where i live too, and demanding vaccination would be considered a "forced physical intervention" and therefore unconstitutional.
I think you and Biden may be confusing 2022 with 2020 :doge
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2022, 04:42:26 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2022, 04:56:49 PM
Yeah, PD. It's 2022 and the Pandemic, as per Biden, is "over". Forcing the military and coast guard to require a pandemic vaccine, a disease that will go away, weakens America and is absolutely foolish leadership. Liberals forcing entire industries, even our own military to take on this vaccine, during high employment shortages is just another way they force their flexing of their cultural power. Libs and their stupid corporations are even forcing truckers and people that do work from home jobs to get Covid vaccination. You can force your narrative on all of society, but we are free to choose, and also allowed to free to tell you to fuck off.
Military are government employees. You can lose your job for not getting a flu shot there. Again, this was not a problem until certain people went insane two years ago. No one is forcing a "narrative" on society when it comes to requiring basic vaccinations for government or state employees. Or students. Part of the insanity of the Kyree Irving situation is that anyone who played sports in high school or college knows you couldn't even practice on the team without specific immunizations.
Nor is it about "cultural power." If covid just essentially becomes a bad flu type thing, which seems likely, I'd imagine many employers will treat it exactly how they treat the flu. Especially in medical fields, retail, etc.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2022, 07:53:24 PM
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Post by: Occam on October 04, 2022, 03:16:18 AM
Why? Did Walker pay for multiple abortions in 2009 so he doesn't know who it is?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2022, 11:47:12 AM
Post by: Occam on October 04, 2022, 12:22:21 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 04, 2022, 12:26:37 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on October 04, 2022, 12:47:41 PM
https://twitter.com/ChristianWalk1r/status/1577284445367042049
:whew
get 'em kiddo
Post by: Occam on October 04, 2022, 01:01:11 PM
He played American football for years and did some MMA fights, dude is almost certainly mad brain damaged. This whole circus is sad.
Brain damaged, low education, hypocrite, liar. The perfect Republican.
I bet they love him.
Post by: Nintex on October 04, 2022, 02:06:56 PM
:trumps
Post by: Propagandhim on October 04, 2022, 02:17:05 PM
Great talking point for your base.
"Hey this Herschel Walker guy is a hypocrite."
MAGAtard: What about Warnock?? He's done horrible things! I can't name them but, they're bad! Many such cases!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2022, 02:43:54 PM
Never say you've never met her, fellas. :doge
Post by: Nintex on October 04, 2022, 03:03:44 PM
"When you see the name Herschel Walker when voting it will be very hard to resist" is basically the only reason Trump put this guy on the ballot.
Post by: james on October 04, 2022, 03:50:24 PM
I've been operating all this time from the assumption that Warnock would lose, despite how close the race is. But now...I think he takes it. Local media in Georgia is just going to dig into the story and further confirm it. He claims he doesn't know the woman, she claims she's been speaking to him recently. All she has to do is reveal the correspondence and he has no fall back.
Never say you've never met her, fellas. :doge
I'd bet the Nintex account that dick pics will have leaked by next Wednesday
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2022, 03:53:02 PM
Meanwhile Ron Johnson can't be stopped in WI somehow :snoop
Post by: benjipwns on October 04, 2022, 04:47:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FePeUA9WAAAjUbg?format=jpg)Kinda think that if you know some terrible things about Warnock you should let people know, Donald. Whether or not they're true has never stopped you before so I'm not understanding the hesitation now.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2022, 05:02:51 PM
drip drip drip
Post by: benjipwns on October 04, 2022, 05:44:03 PM
Post by: Potato on October 04, 2022, 09:08:19 PM
Most normal people would think the bigger concern is that he appointed someone as attorney general who he thought was fucking mentally incompetent!
Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2022, 03:46:25 PM
oh shi
Post by: Himu on October 05, 2022, 04:37:57 PM
SMH why are the Republicans full of blow hards like this fuck
Post by: Potato on October 05, 2022, 04:49:05 PM
Post by: Himu on October 05, 2022, 04:58:51 PM
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2022, 04:59:48 PM
barely literate distinguished mentally-challenged fellows who would fuck their own cousins..."But enough about my Attorney General!" :trumps
Post by: Himu on October 05, 2022, 05:04:31 PM
barely literate distinguished mentally-challenged fellows who would fuck their own cousins..."But enough about my Attorney General!" :trumps
"Let's judge people across the globe I've never even met!"
Meanwhile, in his own country...
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/05/australia-consumed-rape-claim-attorney-general
:girlaff :point
HIT DOGS HOLLER
Post by: Potato on October 05, 2022, 05:11:47 PM
I hate politicians, so much.That's not the gotcha you think it is, but I wouldn't expect better from a Republican supporterbarely literate distinguished mentally-challenged fellows who would fuck their own cousins..."But enough about my Attorney General!" :trumps
"Let's judge people across the globe I've never even met!"
Meanwhile, in his own country...
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/05/australia-consumed-rape-claim-attorney-general (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/05/australia-consumed-rape-claim-attorney-general)
:girlaff :point
HIT DOGS HOLLER
Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2022, 05:58:51 PM
https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1577448024426553346 (https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1577448024426553346)
Post by: james on October 05, 2022, 06:08:38 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 05, 2022, 06:32:28 PM
I wonder where they learned this
Post by: Himu on October 05, 2022, 07:37:33 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2022, 08:52:16 PM
Post by: BIONIC on October 05, 2022, 10:35:14 PM
Post by: Uncle on October 05, 2022, 10:42:07 PM
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2022, 10:44:47 PM
Post by: Himu on October 05, 2022, 11:00:30 PM
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2022, 11:26:10 PM
Okay, but hear me out: why?
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on October 06, 2022, 12:07:43 AM
https://twitter.com/TudorDixon/status/1576940082090897408
Poor grams :cry :cry
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2022, 12:09:53 AM
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1577716491486728204
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1577832990490693632
:elon
Post by: Uncle on October 06, 2022, 12:58:59 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 06, 2022, 01:15:41 PM
No way Trump would pre-emptively hide or steal those call logs :lol
Or is he really a time traveler? :thinking
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1578077157116592146 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1578077157116592146)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeZvKfjWQAAQiNK?format=jpg)
King shit
Post by: Nintex on October 06, 2022, 03:10:24 PM
Holy shit
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2022, 03:22:21 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2022, 03:27:34 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeZvKfjWQAAQiNK?format=jpg)
King shit
:wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut :wut
Post by: HaughtyFrank on October 06, 2022, 03:43:21 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1578098324476989456 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1578098324476989456)
Holy shit
No Joe, Dark Brandon was a meme, a meme!
(But seriously that seems like good stuff)
Post by: jorma on October 06, 2022, 03:52:13 PM
pelosi: yep, i'm fully loaded up on MSOS now, so go ahead
my weedstocks :biden
Post by: james on October 06, 2022, 05:48:22 PM
*November 10*
Pothead 1: bro when is the election I want to vote for dank Biden
Pothead 2: uh I think its November 2
Pothead 1: what day is today
Pothead 2: uhhhhhh
Pothead 1: uhhhhhhhhhhhh
Pothead 3: hey you guys wanna dab
Pothead 1: poggers
Pothead 2: poggers
Post by: Himu on October 06, 2022, 10:31:33 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1578098324476989456 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1578098324476989456)
Holy shit
FINALLY A DEMOCRAT DOING SHIT
Good to see the Democrats aren't all Do Nothings.
Post by: Nintex on October 07, 2022, 02:59:10 AM
Armageddon Brandon 8)
:uguu
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1578193549128081408 (https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1578193549128081408)
Post by: paprikastaude on October 07, 2022, 04:01:32 AM
Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2022, 10:30:32 AM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1578098324476989456 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1578098324476989456)Rest of this is actually potentially more consequential than a handful of federal possession pardons amidst a federal crackdown on marijuana (https://www.laweekly.com/federal-cannabis-arrests-jump-25-under-biden/):
Holy shit
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1578155139487207425
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2022, 01:08:27 PM
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 07, 2022, 01:54:34 PM
https://twitter.com/justinsink/status/1578089942231678986
Post by: Nintex on October 07, 2022, 02:20:43 PM
https://twitter.com/RSBNetwork/status/1578117129655779331 (https://twitter.com/RSBNetwork/status/1578117129655779331)
:rejoice
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on October 07, 2022, 02:30:45 PM
Post by: Himu on October 07, 2022, 03:56:54 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1578098324476989456 (https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1578098324476989456)Rest of this is actually potentially more consequential than a handful of federal possession pardons amidst a federal crackdown on marijuana (https://www.laweekly.com/federal-cannabis-arrests-jump-25-under-biden/):
Holy shit
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1578155139487207425
I have to give credit where it's due. I'm impressed.
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2022, 02:43:56 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FekC5nAVIAA6KbU?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FekC5nrUUAAhK6B?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FekHvITX0AYW-rv?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: Uncle on October 08, 2022, 02:50:23 PM
"republicans are literally killing X group, and we should not stand for this anymore!"
spoiler (click to show/hide)
yeah but in that case it's actually true!
spoiler (click to show/hide)
yeah but we're talking about the statement itself and whether it's likely to cause violence!
[close]
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Post by: Himu on October 08, 2022, 05:22:58 PM
https://youtu.be/QnmaGiDdKUA
Yup she said it but how is she the face of the GOP in any way? That's like saying AOC is the face of the Democratic Party. Just pure histrionics. MTG is an anomaly within her party and regularly shat on by the likes of Turtle Dad.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/28/mcconnell-greene-gosar-white-nationalist-event-00012401
Just because you claim something is true doesn't mean it is. Bless Turtle Dad.
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2022, 05:34:34 PM
Speaking of Turtle Dad. We support you! He's so gangster. He doesn't say shit. But you know he's cooking behind scenes like a boss. Truly the best politician of our times and a man actually caring about his constituents while protecting them from demonic forces that is known as the Democratic Party. Bless and protect him.
Post by: Nintex on October 09, 2022, 07:25:42 AM
:dead
Post by: Propagandhim on October 09, 2022, 12:07:59 PM
Post by: james on October 10, 2022, 01:43:48 PM
https://twitter.com/JonahFurman/status/1579513805834715136
Post by: Nintex on October 10, 2022, 02:02:50 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 10, 2022, 06:21:59 PM
:jeb
Post by: Nintex on October 11, 2022, 01:40:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4Z1x8Ou8VU
:salute
Post by: james on October 11, 2022, 01:42:49 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2022, 03:31:38 PM
Post by: james on October 11, 2022, 06:09:44 PM
https://twitter.com/SpecNews1SoCal/status/1579948317454192640
Post by: Occam on October 11, 2022, 07:13:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcYpcDbBckA
Post by: Himu on October 11, 2022, 08:58:47 PM
MASHAA ALLAH and ALHAMDULILLAH!
The Democrats cannot stop the changing cultural tide! Inshaa Allah! :bow
(https://media.tenor.com/mb24Vqz-MxgAAAAC/omg-shocked.gif)
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1579788950696185859 (https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1579788950696185859)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4Z1x8Ou8VU
:salute
Yes yes yes yes!!!!! ALHAMDULILLAH!
Post by: Transhuman on October 12, 2022, 01:43:27 AM
Weird seeing protesters holding signs that say "homosexuality big sin" being lauded by a pro-gay anti-trans twitter
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 12, 2022, 02:24:01 AM
Post by: Nintex on October 12, 2022, 02:50:09 AM
We've come a long way from Republicans debating which country in the Middle East to bomb first with thermonuclear warheads to muslims being praised for standing up for conservative values and Dr. Oz running on the Trump ticket.
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 04:29:57 AM
So you hate gays now
Weird seeing protesters holding signs that say "homosexuality big sin" being lauded by a pro-gay anti-trans twitter
Hate? No. Think it becoming normalized is bad for society? Yes.
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 04:44:53 AM
How the tides have turned.
We've come a long way from Republicans debating which country in the Middle East to bomb first with thermonuclear warheads to muslims being praised for standing up for conservative values and Dr. Oz running on the Trump ticket.
What's interesting is see this play out in real time in the community. My Pakistani friend is more Orthodox in his Islam, as per his cultural roots (extreme gender separation, arranged marriage;etc), while I'm progressive (not in a political sense) and anti-Salafi/Wahhabi, informed by my American cultural values. Meanwhile his politics are liberal whereas mine are conservative.
https://twitter.com/nwarikoo/status/1579670694102994945
Yes. Yessss
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 08:50:27 AM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2022, 09:37:11 AM
What does this even mean.So you hate gays now
Weird seeing protesters holding signs that say "homosexuality big sin" being lauded by a pro-gay anti-trans twitter
Hate? No. Think it becoming normalized is bad for society? Yes.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on October 12, 2022, 09:49:34 AM
What does this even mean.So you hate gays now
Weird seeing protesters holding signs that say "homosexuality big sin" being lauded by a pro-gay anti-trans twitter
Hate? No. Think it becoming normalized is bad for society? Yes.
himu is trying to say he hates gays in a different form.
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 10:28:47 AM
If they are scared of lgbt books they are free to go home to Afghanistan
The first (and most famous) in America were black. Nice try, though!
What does this even mean.So you hate gays now
Weird seeing protesters holding signs that say "homosexuality big sin" being lauded by a pro-gay anti-trans twitter
Hate? No. Think it becoming normalized is bad for society? Yes.
Its normalization has led to seeping into every corner of life. It was about acceptance but now it's about fully taking in every part of their agenda. They put their agenda over everything culturally. Meanwhile their culture is bereft of any values. Having men compete with women in sports, the entire trans thing, especially when forced on kids, trans women forcing themselves into women's spaces - even lesbian spaces, if you don't accept all of this you're a transphobe. Trans people overwhelmingly are Marxist radicals hoping to upend gender norms. Look at the BLM org and its queer based Marxist grift. Then there's the slippery slope that has happened. Ever since the legalization of gay marriage society has become increasingly sexual in public from social media, to porn being inescapable, to kids being hooted and hollered over by a bunch adult men as they shake their ass. It is a complete dopaminization of civilization, much like with Rome, and gives credence that gays sex is solely about lust and not love, and that mentality, as it gain social acceptance through osmosis, is cancerous to society which ultimately doesn't mean anything to LGBTQ because they mostly cannot reproduce.
Society, as a whole, is much better with them in the closet. Ever since their full integration into society it has become a warped society. It is unnatural and wrong.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2022, 10:31:27 AM
What does this even mean.So you hate gays now
Weird seeing protesters holding signs that say "homosexuality big sin" being lauded by a pro-gay anti-trans twitter
Hate? No. Think it becoming normalized is bad for society? Yes.
himu is trying to say he hates gays in a different form.
It's a pretty common doublespeak now. I'm not homophobic...I just think homosexuality isn't normal and any discussion or example of it in proximity to children is grooming. I'm not anti-black...I just think any discussion of historical slavery and discrimination is anti-American and should be purged from history. I'm not anti-education...I just think we should ban books from libraries (you know, like Huckleberry Finn and To Kill A Mockingbird). I'm not against voter rights...I just think black voting districts should be eliminated, poll stations in black areas should be shuttered, and there should be no early voting (now that old white people aren't the only ones doing it).
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 10:37:04 AM
Live your life. Keep being you. Just don't force your stupid bullshit on the rest of us. Today's lgbt operates almost like a religion but unlike them I'm not advocating every woman wear a hijab.
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 10:42:47 AM
they've changed culture in terms of values such as freedom of speech and the way they use their power and their agenda to force their depraved narrative on everyone and everything. Chappelle is transphobic!!! So he must be gotten rid of. Cyberpunk is transphobic!!!! You're not allowed to discuss it.
My dude, three posts up your praising people calling for the banning of books.
Do you want free speech or not?
Post by: jorma on October 12, 2022, 10:43:12 AM
If they are scared of lgbt books they are free to go home to Afghanistan
with that attitude you're lucky you're not european, or you'd find yourself in the literal nazi camp :lol
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 10:44:14 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-health-and-wellness/sex-men-not-skin-contact-fueling-monkeypox-new-research-suggests-rcna43484
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/monkeypox-aids-gay-men-safe-sex/671126/
No other group gets this kind of social power for such a small minority. There truly is a gay agenda. I supported gay people my entire life. I capable of saying I was wrong about them.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2022, 10:46:38 AM
So you're not only homophobic you're weird too. I'm not going to engage on this, I'll simply wait for your next complete, obsessive personality/opinion shift in a year or two. Having known you for well over a decade at this point I really think you're mentally ill and hope you get some help. No disrespect.If they are scared of lgbt books they are free to go home to Afghanistan
The first (and most famous) in America were black. Nice try, though!What does this even mean.So you hate gays now
Weird seeing protesters holding signs that say "homosexuality big sin" being lauded by a pro-gay anti-trans twitter
Hate? No. Think it becoming normalized is bad for society? Yes.
Its normalization has led to seeping into every corner of life. It was about acceptance but now it's about fully taking in every part of their agenda. They put their agenda over everything culturally. Meanwhile their culture is bereft of any values. Having men compete with women in sports, the entire trans thing, especially when forced on kids, trans women forcing themselves into women's spaces - even lesbian spaces, if you don't accept all of this you're a transphobe. Trans people overwhelmingly are Marxist radicals hoping to upend gender norms. Look at the BLM org and its queer based Marxist grift. Then there's the slippery slope that has happened. Ever since the legalization of gay marriage society has become increasingly sexual in public from social media, to porn being inescapable, to kids being hooted and hollered over by a bunch adult men as they shake their ass. It is a complete dopaminization of civilization, much like with Rome, and gives credence that gays sex is solely about lust and not love, and that mentality, as it gain social acceptance through osmosis, is cancerous to society which ultimately doesn't mean anything to LGBTQ because they mostly cannot reproduce.
Society, as a whole, is much better with them in the closet. Ever since their full integration into society it has become a warped society. It is unnatural and wrong.
And I'm someone who has some gripes with certain aspects of the trans debate in America. But gay marriage sparking an uptick in sexuality, Rome, better off in the closet lol...nah. Jesus.
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 10:47:12 AM
If they are scared of lgbt books they are free to go home to Afghanistan
with that attitude you're lucky you're not european, or you'd find yourself in the literal nazi camp :lol
Nazis want to kill people for being different. I strongly disagree with that.
I believe in the free market and competition. Let everyone do what they want, but they can do it in a way that doesn't fuck over their neighbors.
USA: Free speech, no banning books, copious gun violence.
Afghanistan: No free speech, books and music banned, copious gun violence.
Portugal: Free speech, no banning books, no gun violence.
Saudi Arabia: No free speech, books and music banned, no gun violence.
Let everyone pick which lifestyle they prefer and move there.
Post by: jorma on October 12, 2022, 10:57:13 AM
If they are scared of lgbt books they are free to go home to Afghanistan
with that attitude you're lucky you're not european, or you'd find yourself in the literal nazi camp :lol
Nazis want to kill people for being different. I strongly disagree with that.
I believe in the free market and competition. Let everyone do what they want, but they can do it in a way that doesn't fuck over their neighbors.
USA: Free speech, no banning books, copious gun violence.
Afghanistan: No free speech, books and music banned, copious gun violence.
Portugal: Free speech, no banning books, no gun violence.
Saudi Arabia: No free speech, books and music banned, no gun violence.
Let everyone pick which lifestyle they prefer and move there.
nazis want to kill people, "literal nazis" wants refugees who don't like "how we do things 'round here" to move elsewhere :yeshrug
your position is the position of the far right in Sweden (and presumably elsewhere in europe) if i was being too obtuse
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 10:59:39 AM
Then there's this.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1580195498341777409
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1577067933854945280
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1576654667253022721
LGBTQ destroys society. We should learn from Rome's example. Live your life. Doesn't mean your lifestyle should gain acceptance.
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 11:17:05 AM
nazis want to kill people, "literal nazis" wants refugees who don't like "how we do things 'round here" to move elsewhere :yeshrug
your position is the position of the far right in Sweden (and presumably elsewhere in europe) if i was being too obtuse
Theyre doing it race-based. Thats whats fucked up. Your race doesnt determine your ideas or values. The countries should be absed on value systems.
Himu and the Yall Queda should be deported to Afghanistan (pro-drug), Saudi Arabia (pro-murder), or Yemen (pro-piracy). Any Afghanis/Saudis/Yemis that believe in freedom are more than welcome to move to Sweden, the US, or whatever matches their preferences on things like healthcare and gun massacres.
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 11:19:34 AM
If they are scared of lgbt books they are free to go home to Afghanistan
with that attitude you're lucky you're not european, or you'd find yourself in the literal nazi camp :lol
Nazis want to kill people for being different. I strongly disagree with that.
I believe in the free market and competition. Let everyone do what they want, but they can do it in a way that doesn't fuck over their neighbors.
USA: Free speech, no banning books, copious gun violence.
Afghanistan: No free speech, books and music banned, copious gun violence.
Portugal: Free speech, no banning books, no gun violence.
Saudi Arabia: No free speech, books and music banned, no gun violence.
Let everyone pick which lifestyle they prefer and move there.
nazis want to kill people, "literal nazis" wants refugees who don't like "how we do things 'round here" to move elsewhere :yeshrug
your position is the position of the far right in Sweden (and presumably elsewhere in europe) if i was being too obtuse
Notice he uses very specific examples but doesn't use examples like Dubai, Turkey, or UAE because he broadly paints Islam and Islamic countries. Yet you don't see me losing my shit and calling him an Islam phobe because frankly I don't care.
He brings up America and Portugal but we could easily bring up Russia or something. LOL.
Post by: jorma on October 12, 2022, 11:22:34 AM
nazis want to kill people, "literal nazis" wants refugees who don't like "how we do things 'round here" to move elsewhere :yeshrug
your position is the position of the far right in Sweden (and presumably elsewhere in europe) if i was being too obtuse
Theyre doing it race-based. Thats whats fucked up. Your race doesnt determine your ideas or values. The countries should be absed on value systems.
Himu and the Yall Queda should be deported to Afghanistan (pro-drug), Saudi Arabia (pro-murder), or Yemen (pro-piracy). Any Afghanis/Saudis/Yemis that believe in freedom are more than welcome to move to Sweden, the US, or whatever matches their preferences on things like healthcare and gun massacres.
no they dont. some of their voters certainly do, but they don't.
you'd be in the progressive wing of the far right, i guess. :lol
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 11:27:51 AM
they've changed culture in terms of values such as freedom of speech and the way they use their power and their agenda to force their depraved narrative on everyone and everything. Chappelle is transphobic!!! So he must be gotten rid of. Cyberpunk is transphobic!!!! You're not allowed to discuss it.
My dude, three posts up your praising people calling for the banning of books.
Do you want free speech or not?
Ah yes, books like a gay getting his dick sucked or a trans in elementary school libraries
https://twitter.com/Bidenlies180/status/1580010317186478080
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 11:39:03 AM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2022, 12:17:03 PM
As for me being mentally ill, I'm not. I'm perfectly sane. I see a therapist weekly and have dealt with intense childhood trauma and PTSD my whole adult life. I've gotten treatment for it and I'm much better. Just because you disagree doesn't mean I'm mentally ill. That's awfully ableist if you, since you're calling me such a dirty homophobe (I don't care).:yeshrug
Nothing to do with you disagreeing. Everything to do with you changing religion, sexuality, gender, and moral beliefs multiple times within the last decade plus. There's a progression of extremes here that is troubling, and your inclination to regurgitate talking points without thinking is weird as fuck.
Post by: Transhuman on October 12, 2022, 12:24:57 PM
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 12:32:05 PM
As for me being mentally ill, I'm not. I'm perfectly sane. I see a therapist weekly and have dealt with intense childhood trauma and PTSD my whole adult life. I've gotten treatment for it and I'm much better. Just because you disagree doesn't mean I'm mentally ill. That's awfully ableist if you, since you're calling me such a dirty homophobe (I don't care).:yeshrug
Nothing to do with you disagreeing. Everything to do with you changing religion, sexuality, gender, and moral beliefs multiple times within the last decade plus. There's a progression of extremes here that is troubling, and your inclination to regurgitate talking points without thinking is weird as fuck.
None of that points to mental illness. It points to binary thinking and adjusting what you think is right or wrong, tied with depression and being overly online to make up for it. Thankfully my depression has cleared and I can believe what I think is right. Therapy helps. Also, you've never met me. I keep this stuff to myself in real life. Online is my outlet. You also have gaps in knowledge. Pieced together, you would understand. Instead you think I randomly pick and choose. Rather than be my friend and ask why I think the way I do, you merely see what I think, think I arbitrarily picked it with no life experience, and decided I'm mentally ill.
:yeshrug
Finally nothing what I expressed was weird. It's only weird to you because you subsist in a bubble of liberalism.
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 12:43:24 PM
Wow those illustrations are appalling. 18 year olds shouldn't be exposed to that sort of indoctrination material. Hell after seeing those pictures, even I feel like sucking some cock, I can't imagine what it's doing to our kids.
The liberals have gone too far.
How do we get wikipedia banned?
:nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_sex
:nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw
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Can you imagine if a child was exposed to this?
Cant believe what legalizing gay marriage has resulted in
Post by: BIONIC on October 12, 2022, 12:47:21 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 12, 2022, 12:47:31 PM
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 12:48:33 PM
What’s next? Legalizing sex with animals?! :info
Legalizing gay marriage was a slippery slope indeed
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Post by: BIONIC on October 12, 2022, 01:01:28 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on October 12, 2022, 01:02:01 PM
If they are scared of lgbt books they are free to go home to Afghanistan
The first (and most famous) in America were black. Nice try, though!What does this even mean.So you hate gays now
Weird seeing protesters holding signs that say "homosexuality big sin" being lauded by a pro-gay anti-trans twitter
Hate? No. Think it becoming normalized is bad for society? Yes.
Its normalization has led to seeping into every corner of life. It was about acceptance but now it's about fully taking in every part of their agenda. They put their agenda over everything culturally. Meanwhile their culture is bereft of any values. Having men compete with women in sports, the entire trans thing, especially when forced on kids, trans women forcing themselves into women's spaces - even lesbian spaces, if you don't accept all of this you're a transphobe. Trans people overwhelmingly are Marxist radicals hoping to upend gender norms. Look at the BLM org and its queer based Marxist grift. Then there's the slippery slope that has happened. Ever since the legalization of gay marriage society has become increasingly sexual in public from social media, to porn being inescapable, to kids being hooted and hollered over by a bunch adult men as they shake their ass. It is a complete dopaminization of civilization, much like with Rome, and gives credence that gays sex is solely about lust and not love, and that mentality, as it gain social acceptance through osmosis, is cancerous to society which ultimately doesn't mean anything to LGBTQ because they mostly cannot reproduce.
Society, as a whole, is much better with them in the closet. Ever since their full integration into society it has become a warped society. It is unnatural and wrong.
Stop being hateful.
Post by: Nintex on October 12, 2022, 01:04:39 PM
The books and stuff, I'm not too worried about. I do think parents should have some say in it though. Be it for religious reasons or otherwise.
Having books with kids sucking dick is kinda weird but not much weirder than sex education material for kids in general.
The 'straight' books about this stuff aren't much better. Some of the 'teen' novels we had to read in high school. In general the most highly rated Dutch literature is filled to the brim with perverts and marxists. :donot
The most disturbing part was that our teachers had read them as well and you had to answer questions about these books and it was very hard to pretend you read them.
"What was Lisa's traumatic experience that made it difficult for her to make new friends?"
"She fell from her bike and everyone had seen it?"
"No she was drugged and raped by her uncle and then she was raped by her father and then she went to her grandfather and he locked her up in the basement and raped her too"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2022, 01:57:40 PM
I'm not gonna act like this content is great. Sex ed stuff tends to suck. But there's zero chance the stuff in a library is more explicit than the sex shit that's readily available on every teen's cellphone. Nor do I buy the idea that there's a kid out here jerking off to library books. This new generation sucks but they aren't that desperate.
I'm fullstop opposed to "banning" books. You want to put explicit books in an age restricted portion of the library, fine. But as someone who was once a horny kid I can guarantee you no kids are rushing to the library to look at any of this shit and they'll likely never know it's there.
Post by: Transhuman on October 12, 2022, 02:16:28 PM
If i'm misunderstanding please clarify for me Himu.
Post by: Uncle on October 12, 2022, 02:18:45 PM
they've changed culture in terms of values such as freedom of speech and the way they use their power and their agenda to force their depraved narrative on everyone and everything. Chappelle is transphobic!!! So he must be gotten rid of. Cyberpunk is transphobic!!!! You're not allowed to discuss it.
My dude, three posts up your praising people calling for the banning of books.
Do you want free speech or not?
I'm fullstop opposed to "banning" books. You want to put explicit books in an age restricted portion of the library, fine. But as someone who was once a horny kid I can guarantee you no kids are rushing to the library to look at any of this shit and they'll likely never know it's there.
I will say, "book banning" is usually overstated
what generally happens is a school chooses to stop using a particular book as part of its curriculum, which is perfectly reasonable and happens all the time
that could mean kids are no longer forced to read a specific book and then engage in discussions about it, or that could mean it no longer shows up on recommended reading lists for that grade level
I'm not even against schools removing certain books from their library designed for students who attend there, because those books are constantly selected based on appropriateness for a school-age audience anyway
what's the alternative? are we angry that school libraries don't literally contain all the books and publications that can be found in a public library? why can't middle schoolers find mein kampf on the shelf? was it "banned?" or did someone make a logical and sound decision to just not have it on the shelf? they can find it online or in other libraries if they really want to, the book hasn't been officially censored or burned
angry mobs of conservative parents are shit, but I have no problem with the idea of questioning the thinking of the person who decided to stock any particular book, and making changes if necessary
let's not pretend that people don't conflate books being superficially made less available in a specific library, with mass book burning and government censorship, which are a world of difference apart
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on October 12, 2022, 02:24:54 PM
From what I can read from Himu's posts he doesn't hate gay people, or think they should be hurt, just that they're gross and ideally wouldn't exist.
If i'm misunderstanding please clarify for me Himu.
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Look at the BLM org and its queer based Marxist grift.
Fuck you too.
Post by: Uncle on October 12, 2022, 02:28:15 PM
and if you went up to them angrily and demanded to know why these books have been "banned," they will tell you:
the binding is cracked and it's in really shit condition and hasn't been checked out in 10 years because it's a 30-year-old picture book introducing our new president clinton to 5th graders
or we received 10 copies of this book as part of a new curriculum adoption a decade ago and no one really wanted them but we had space on the shelf
or it's a set of encyclopedias from 1990 and we have the internet now
are librarians only allowed to retire books due to damage or irrelevance, but not social pressure? also if social pressure can influence availability of books in one direction, why not the other? suppose some of these awful conservative children's book writers push their books into schools, is it not ok to question those as well?
(https://i.imgur.com/iy4CajJ.png)
I'm sure some books could be said to be poorly-written or present incorrect/biased data, and I wouldn't want our children to be taught literally wrong things, but fuck me it's a book so you can't make an effort to keep kids away from it?
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 02:29:53 PM
they've changed culture in terms of values such as freedom of speech and the way they use their power and their agenda to force their depraved narrative on everyone and everything. Chappelle is transphobic!!! So he must be gotten rid of. Cyberpunk is transphobic!!!! You're not allowed to discuss it.
My dude, three posts up your praising people calling for the banning of books.
Do you want free speech or not?I'm fullstop opposed to "banning" books. You want to put explicit books in an age restricted portion of the library, fine. But as someone who was once a horny kid I can guarantee you no kids are rushing to the library to look at any of this shit and they'll likely never know it's there.
I will say, "book banning" is usually overstated
what generally happens is a school chooses to stop using a particular book as part of its curriculum, which is perfectly reasonable and happens all the time
that could mean kids are no longer forced to read a specific book and then engage in discussions about it, or that could mean it no longer shows up on recommended reading lists for that grade level
I'm not even against schools removing certain books from their library designed for students who attend there, because those books are constantly selected based on appropriateness for a school-age audience anyway
what's the alternative? are we angry that school libraries don't literally contain all the books and publications that can be found in a public library? why can't middle schoolers find mein kampf on the shelf? was it "banned?" or did someone make a logical and sound decision to just not have it on the shelf? they can find it online or in other libraries if they really want to, the book hasn't been officially censored or burned
angry mobs of conservative parents are shit, but I have no problem with the idea of questioning the thinking of the person who decided to stock any particular book, and making changes if necessary
let's not pretend that people don't conflate books being superficially made less available in a specific library, with mass book burning and government censorship, which are a world of difference apart
These are the books they had removed from the library + blocking digital access on the school interweb
"Push" by Sapphire
"The Lovely Bones" by Alice Sebold
"Eleanor & Park" by Rainbow Rowell
"Red, White & Royal Blue" by Casey McQuiston
"And They Lived" by Steven Salvatore
"All Boys Aren't Blue" by George M. Johnson
"This Book is Gay" by Juno Dawson."
Post by: BIONIC on October 12, 2022, 02:31:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/iy4CajJ.png)
They all look like the same person :joker :dead
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 02:34:36 PM
https://twitter.com/nwarikoo/status/1579611348744679428
I think we should ban people who follow a prophet that married a 9 year old girl.
Post by: Uncle on October 12, 2022, 02:39:23 PM
they've changed culture in terms of values such as freedom of speech and the way they use their power and their agenda to force their depraved narrative on everyone and everything. Chappelle is transphobic!!! So he must be gotten rid of. Cyberpunk is transphobic!!!! You're not allowed to discuss it.
My dude, three posts up your praising people calling for the banning of books.
Do you want free speech or not?I'm fullstop opposed to "banning" books. You want to put explicit books in an age restricted portion of the library, fine. But as someone who was once a horny kid I can guarantee you no kids are rushing to the library to look at any of this shit and they'll likely never know it's there.
I will say, "book banning" is usually overstated
what generally happens is a school chooses to stop using a particular book as part of its curriculum, which is perfectly reasonable and happens all the time
that could mean kids are no longer forced to read a specific book and then engage in discussions about it, or that could mean it no longer shows up on recommended reading lists for that grade level
I'm not even against schools removing certain books from their library designed for students who attend there, because those books are constantly selected based on appropriateness for a school-age audience anyway
what's the alternative? are we angry that school libraries don't literally contain all the books and publications that can be found in a public library? why can't middle schoolers find mein kampf on the shelf? was it "banned?" or did someone make a logical and sound decision to just not have it on the shelf? they can find it online or in other libraries if they really want to, the book hasn't been officially censored or burned
angry mobs of conservative parents are shit, but I have no problem with the idea of questioning the thinking of the person who decided to stock any particular book, and making changes if necessary
let's not pretend that people don't conflate books being superficially made less available in a specific library, with mass book burning and government censorship, which are a world of difference apart
These are the books they had removed from the library + blocking digital access on the school interweb
"Push" by Sapphire
"The Lovely Bones" by Alice Sebold
"Eleanor & Park" by Rainbow Rowell
"Red, White & Royal Blue" by Casey McQuiston
"And They Lived" by Steven Salvatore
"All Boys Aren't Blue" by George M. Johnson
"This Book is Gay" by Juno Dawson."
and parents and kids can still track down these books if they really want to
when I was in school the library had banned violent comics so I had to seek those elsewhere too, and I think we can all agree that an institution normalizing nonviolence just helps those in power retain power and keeps the masses from rising up
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 02:43:51 PM
and parents and kids can still track down these books if they really want to
If a child is gay, and their parent is a religious fanatic, how exactly do they track down the books?
Part of the reason of having them in school a library is to ensure that everyone has equal access to the materials.
Same with other sensitive subjects like eating disorders, self-harm etc.
Librarians are curated by educated professionals with a masters degree. They certainly know more about books than Johnny Taliban or Debby Klan.
Providing government resources for children to escape a cult is a good thing, actually.
Post by: Uncle on October 12, 2022, 02:48:17 PM
and parents and kids can still track down these books if they really want to
If a child is gay, and their parent is a religious fanatic, how exactly do they track down the books?
Part of the reason of having them in school a library is to ensure that everyone has equal access to the materials.
Same with other sensitive subjects like eating disorders, self-harm etc.
Librarians are curated by educated professionals with a masters degree. They certainly know more about books than Johnny Taliban or Debby Klan.
Providing government resources for children to escape a cult is a good thing, actually.
and if a child is gay and the librarian is a fundie christian and decided to stock the library full of books that proclaim they're going through a phase and should be ashamed, do you advocate for removing those books from the library?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2022, 02:52:36 PM
I'd expect a lot of sex ed books get added/replaced a lot quicker than a standard literary work. So I certainly agree that removing those books is fine in that context. But in the context of removing them because they're "obscene" or because a certain group of people have been opposed to sex education for decades? Nah.
I would also say this is important to me in part due to an experience I had in English class as a kid. At one point towards the end of a semester we had to read The House On Mango Street. I didn't know it at the time, but it's one of the most challenged or banned books in American school systems. There's a scene in the book where the main character purchases a beautiful red dress, goes out one night and is raped. There's also a lot of domestic violence in the book. As a kid I HATED the book and struggled to finish it. I wrote a scathing book review for it, and part of my argument was that the character's rape was due to her own actions (wearing a revealing dress). The day it was due, a friend of mine asked if she could read my report. I gave it to her, and watched her face go from interested to dead/disgust. She gave me my report back and didn't say anything. Later I learned she had been raped a couple years earlier.
My teacher gave me a C-, the only non A grade I received in her class. She was a feminist and frankly should have given me an F. We had conversations about that paper from the time I wrote it until I graduated. The book and the conversations it sparked changed my perspective on a lot of things. I was also able to apologize to my classmate later on.
In short...the point of English classes and novel assignments is to be introduced to different perspectives, different ideas, to understand others, and share unique perspectives. Beyond sex ed books, a lot of books featuring gay characters are being banned. Books about slavery or civil rights are being banned. Books about Jewish experiences are being banned. When I say "banned" I mean moved from school curriculums and libraries forever. This is objectively wrong.
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 02:53:26 PM
and parents and kids can still track down these books if they really want to
If a child is gay, and their parent is a religious fanatic, how exactly do they track down the books?
Part of the reason of having them in school a library is to ensure that everyone has equal access to the materials.
Same with other sensitive subjects like eating disorders, self-harm etc.
Librarians are curated by educated professionals with a masters degree. They certainly know more about books than Johnny Taliban or Debby Klan.
Providing government resources for children to escape a cult is a good thing, actually.
and if a child is gay and the librarian is a fundie christian and decided to stock the library full of books that proclaim they're going through a phase and should be ashamed, do you advocate for removing those books from the library?
"Librarians are curated by educated professionals with a masters degree.'
Fundie Christians have at most a GED.
Post by: Uncle on October 12, 2022, 03:01:09 PM
Every year there's a push from a certain group of people (racists) who want to ban books like To Kill A Mockingbird
well, no, it's because to kill a mockingbird is itself racist actually
https://crosscut.com/news/2022/01/kill-mockingbird-hot-seat-wa-school-district
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The teachers’ objections to the book included criticism that Black characters are not fully realized and that the book romanticizes the idea of a “white savior.”
The teachers also cited concerns that characters in the book frequently use the N-word while no character explains that the slur is derogatory, and that the word and the portrayal of Black characters cause harm to students of color.
this article does not mention it but another point I've seen raised is that harper lee as a white person in the 50s was ill-equipped to accurately represent the struggles, behaviors and culture of the Black experience at that time or indeed any time
Post by: Uncle on October 12, 2022, 03:02:00 PM
and parents and kids can still track down these books if they really want to
If a child is gay, and their parent is a religious fanatic, how exactly do they track down the books?
Part of the reason of having them in school a library is to ensure that everyone has equal access to the materials.
Same with other sensitive subjects like eating disorders, self-harm etc.
Librarians are curated by educated professionals with a masters degree. They certainly know more about books than Johnny Taliban or Debby Klan.
Providing government resources for children to escape a cult is a good thing, actually.
and if a child is gay and the librarian is a fundie christian and decided to stock the library full of books that proclaim they're going through a phase and should be ashamed, do you advocate for removing those books from the library?
"Librarians are curated by educated professionals with a masters degree.'
Fundie Christians have at most a GED.
ah I see, there is no circumstance in which an objectionable book could ever be added to a school library and therefore no basis for ever requesting a specific book be removed
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 03:02:57 PM
Every year there's a push from a certain group of people (racists) who want to ban books like To Kill A Mockingbird
well, no, it's because to kill a mockingbird is itself racist actually
https://crosscut.com/news/2022/01/kill-mockingbird-hot-seat-wa-school-districtQuoteThe teachers’ objections to the book included criticism that Black characters are not fully realized and that the book romanticizes the idea of a “white savior.”
The teachers also cited concerns that characters in the book frequently use the N-word while no character explains that the slur is derogatory, and that the word and the portrayal of Black characters cause harm to students of color.
this article does not mention it but another point I've seen raised is that harper lee as a white person in the 50s was ill-equipped to accurately represent the struggles, behaviors and culture of the Black experience at that time or indeed any time
Did you miss the rest of his post?
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And while I understand for instance the books I had to read in HS English - 1984, Lord Of The Flies, etc - are likely no longer heavily used in curriculums today I would expect and want those books to still be readily available in a school or local library. Because they're important literary works and hold some value in being read by young children whose minds/thoughts are in a state of development
Thats exactly what your article says happened:
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The book will not be not banned, however, and teachers may still choose to assign the book in their classrooms.
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 03:07:50 PM
ah I see, there is no circumstance in which an objectionable book could ever be added to a school library and therefore no basis for ever requesting a specific book be removed
I dont see the issue with one or two fundie books in the library. Provides a good opportunity to analyze and criticize the text. Point out logical fallacies and the such.
And its important to note this whole discussion is about books that simply feature certain themes or topics that made idiot men with tiny IQs uncomfortable.
No one is stocking books on effective ways to commit suicide or how to build a pipe bomb.
Post by: Uncle on October 12, 2022, 03:12:49 PM
Every year there's a push from a certain group of people (racists) who want to ban books like To Kill A Mockingbird
well, no, it's because to kill a mockingbird is itself racist actually
https://crosscut.com/news/2022/01/kill-mockingbird-hot-seat-wa-school-districtQuoteThe teachers’ objections to the book included criticism that Black characters are not fully realized and that the book romanticizes the idea of a “white savior.”
The teachers also cited concerns that characters in the book frequently use the N-word while no character explains that the slur is derogatory, and that the word and the portrayal of Black characters cause harm to students of color.
this article does not mention it but another point I've seen raised is that harper lee as a white person in the 50s was ill-equipped to accurately represent the struggles, behaviors and culture of the Black experience at that time or indeed any time
Did you miss the rest of his post?QuoteAnd while I understand for instance the books I had to read in HS English - 1984, Lord Of The Flies, etc - are likely no longer heavily used in curriculums today I would expect and want those books to still be readily available in a school or local library. Because they're important literary works and hold some value in being read by young children whose minds/thoughts are in a state of development
Thats exactly what your article says happened:QuoteThe book will not be not banned, however, and teachers may still choose to assign the book in their classrooms.
right, he said there's a push, not that they're successful
are we questioning their motivation, or whether it actually happens? a lot of these conservative driven "bannings" also fail in similar ways, sometimes removed from reading lists but not the library, sometimes they're just told to fuck off
here's a failed attempt in florida (https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-florida-schools-to-kill-a-mockingbird-201081596097)
Post by: Uncle on October 12, 2022, 03:13:42 PM
No one is stocking books on effective ways to commit suicide or how to build a pipe bomb.
why are those books banned from the library? no books should be banned, right?
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 03:23:19 PM
are we questioning their motivation, or whether it actually happens? a lot of these conservative driven "bannings" also fail in similar ways, sometimes removed from reading lists but not the library, sometimes they're just told to fuck off
In this specific example, I provided the 7 books that were removed and blocked.
The protest was that they didnt go far enough.
why are those books banned from the library? no books should be banned, right?
Come on, no need to act dumb.
Free speech and defamation laws can co-exist, as can laws that prohibit assault.
(Assault is just a verbal threat, battery is the act)
These protests are about banning books that arent dangerous, they just go against the magic book filled with pedophile stories.
Post by: Uncle on October 12, 2022, 03:31:41 PM
When I say "banned" I mean moved from school curriculums and libraries forever. This is objectively wrong.
this is a bit hyperbolic, the school systems aren't writing into their constitutions "this book is banned forever no backsies, sorry kensington elementary of 2054, you're fucked"
this is not a defense of removing them NOW, which is still not a net positive, but it is again intended to highlight the difference between nazi government-sponsored banning, burning, widespread censorship, and taking a book off a shelf in one school to quiet some whiny ass parent and then putting the book back next year when other parents demand that it be reinstated
that's just the social process
I'm not necessarily in favor of those books being removed from a school, but I also acknowledge that there may come a time in the future when there might be a compelling case to remove any given book for entirely different reasons; books praising god-king trump, or painting russia's war as just, or defining marriage as only between a man and a woman
people can question anything
why are those books banned from the library? no books should be banned, right?
Come on, no need to act dumb.
Free speech and defamation laws can co-exist, as can laws that prohibit assault.
(Assault is just a verbal threat, battery is the act)
These protests are about banning books that arent dangerous, they just go against the magic book filled with pedophile stories.
this is literally the basis of my post on this, though
if you accept that there are good reasons that some books ought to be excluded from school libraries, THEN you can start to dither over the details of whether this particular one is justified or not
bash conservatives and their shit reasoning all you like, just don't pretend that there's no reason literally any book's inclusion should ever be questioned
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 03:47:46 PM
this is literally the basis of my post on this, though
if you accept that there are good reasons that some books ought to be excluded from school libraries, THEN you can start to dither over the details of whether this particular one is justified or not
bash conservatives and their shit reasoning all you like, just don't pretend that there's no reason literally any book's inclusion should ever be questioned
All they have to do is simply apply the test determined by the USSC - the Miller Test.
That being said, I propose an updated version, the Himu test.
Basically, whatever Himu thinks, do they exact opposite.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2022, 03:54:55 PM
The vast majority of people who have attempted to ban or remove To Kill A Mockingbird from schools since the 1960s are racist parents, often in the south, upset about the topics described in the book (you know, racism). Who claim the book is obscene due to the n-word, among other things, in order to put on what they believe to be a more reasonable/less racist-looking facade. A couple delusional leftist teachers in Seattle doesn't change that. I will definitely say I have noticed that argument appearing on the left though, often from white writers who seemingly don't understand what a "white savior" character is. I see no argument for Atticus being that, given how flawed of a character he'd depicted as in the book (vs the movie).Every year there's a push from a certain group of people (racists) who want to ban books like To Kill A Mockingbird
well, no, it's because to kill a mockingbird is itself racist actually
https://crosscut.com/news/2022/01/kill-mockingbird-hot-seat-wa-school-districtQuoteThe teachers’ objections to the book included criticism that Black characters are not fully realized and that the book romanticizes the idea of a “white savior.”
The teachers also cited concerns that characters in the book frequently use the N-word while no character explains that the slur is derogatory, and that the word and the portrayal of Black characters cause harm to students of color.
this article does not mention it but another point I've seen raised is that harper lee as a white person in the 50s was ill-equipped to accurately represent the struggles, behaviors and culture of the Black experience at that time or indeed any time
The white liberal guilt of these types of people, and the brain rot it generates, is pretty wild.
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 03:57:59 PM
this is literally the basis of my post on this, though
if you accept that there are good reasons that some books ought to be excluded from school libraries, THEN you can start to dither over the details of whether this particular one is justified or not
bash conservatives and their shit reasoning all you like, just don't pretend that there's no reason literally any book's inclusion should ever be questioned
All they have to do is simply apply the test determined by the USSC - the Miller Test.
That being said, I propose an updated version, the Himu test.
Basically, whatever Himu thinks, do they exact opposite.
Ah, so they're going to take away art books and stuff, huh. SAD. I love that you're so obsessed with me. Now thanks to you they're going to get rid of band class, art class, and English literature.
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 04:05:20 PM
The vast majority of people who have attempted to ban or remove To Kill A Mockingbird from schools since the 1960s are racist parents, often in the south, upset about the topics described in the book (you know, racism). Who claim the book is obscene due to the n-word, among other things, in order to put on what they believe to be a more reasonable/less racist-looking facade. A couple delusional leftist teachers in Seattle doesn't change that. I will definitely say I have noticed that argument appearing on the left though, often from white writers who seemingly don't understand what a "white savior" character is. I see no argument for Atticus being that, given how flawed of a character he'd depicted as in the book (vs the movie).Every year there's a push from a certain group of people (racists) who want to ban books like To Kill A Mockingbird
well, no, it's because to kill a mockingbird is itself racist actually
https://crosscut.com/news/2022/01/kill-mockingbird-hot-seat-wa-school-districtQuoteThe teachers’ objections to the book included criticism that Black characters are not fully realized and that the book romanticizes the idea of a “white savior.”
The teachers also cited concerns that characters in the book frequently use the N-word while no character explains that the slur is derogatory, and that the word and the portrayal of Black characters cause harm to students of color.
this article does not mention it but another point I've seen raised is that harper lee as a white person in the 50s was ill-equipped to accurately represent the struggles, behaviors and culture of the Black experience at that time or indeed any time
The white liberal guilt of these types of people, and the brain rot it generates, is pretty wild.
Who does Atticus even save?? He literally loses the case and his defendant is shot to death. What are leftist crackers even smoking? I told you leftism is a disease, PD. I'm glad to see you acknowledge it.
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 04:15:57 PM
I love that you're so obsessed with me.this is literally the basis of my post on this, though
if you accept that there are good reasons that some books ought to be excluded from school libraries, THEN you can start to dither over the details of whether this particular one is justified or not
bash conservatives and their shit reasoning all you like, just don't pretend that there's no reason literally any book's inclusion should ever be questioned
All they have to do is simply apply the test determined by the USSC - the Miller Test.
That being said, I propose an updated version, the Himu test.
Basically, whatever Himu thinks, do they exact opposite.
I think youre fascinating.
Pretty much everyone at the bore is an educated, successful professional in their 30s-40s. We may not agree on everything, but we have the basic building blocks needed to have a conversation based around logic and reason.
You arent like that. Youre the 30% of the population that is low-IQ and incredibly easy to manipulate, confuse, and recruit. Its a fantastic insight into how folks like Trump or Chavez or Bolsonaro develop cults and can within the span of a single sentence proudly proclaim two completely contradictory viewpoints while actually genuinely thinking you are smart and logical and right.
Its just remarkable.
The problem with political consultants and operatives, especially on the left, is that they dont have access to people like you to prod and poke and observe. Youre a goldmine.
When you post, I feel the same level of excitement Dr. Oz must feel when he sees a fresh litter of puppies.
Post by: Nintex on October 12, 2022, 04:25:14 PM
:info
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1580287068575797251 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1580287068575797251)
Thank god the patriot points are safe :whew
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2022, 04:30:06 PM
Most of the leftist conversations I've seen don't recommend banning but I've seen many that say it shouldn't be taught in schools because "white savior" or "a white's perspective doesn't matter." Brain worms and frankly not much better than wanting to ban a book due to being racist.The vast majority of people who have attempted to ban or remove To Kill A Mockingbird from schools since the 1960s are racist parents, often in the south, upset about the topics described in the book (you know, racism). Who claim the book is obscene due to the n-word, among other things, in order to put on what they believe to be a more reasonable/less racist-looking facade. A couple delusional leftist teachers in Seattle doesn't change that. I will definitely say I have noticed that argument appearing on the left though, often from white writers who seemingly don't understand what a "white savior" character is. I see no argument for Atticus being that, given how flawed of a character he'd depicted as in the book (vs the movie).Every year there's a push from a certain group of people (racists) who want to ban books like To Kill A Mockingbird
well, no, it's because to kill a mockingbird is itself racist actually
https://crosscut.com/news/2022/01/kill-mockingbird-hot-seat-wa-school-districtQuoteThe teachers’ objections to the book included criticism that Black characters are not fully realized and that the book romanticizes the idea of a “white savior.”
The teachers also cited concerns that characters in the book frequently use the N-word while no character explains that the slur is derogatory, and that the word and the portrayal of Black characters cause harm to students of color.
this article does not mention it but another point I've seen raised is that harper lee as a white person in the 50s was ill-equipped to accurately represent the struggles, behaviors and culture of the Black experience at that time or indeed any time
The white liberal guilt of these types of people, and the brain rot it generates, is pretty wild.
Who does Atticus even save?? He literally loses the case and his defendant is shot to death. What are leftist crackers even smoking? I told you leftism is a disease, PD. I'm glad to see you acknowledge it.
To be perfectly honest...they've targeted a variety of classic lit books. I've seen leftists argue Lord Of The Flies is problematic because it lacks diversity, and that a book centered on white male perspectives is worthless. Yes I agree with you, this is parody level stupidity. I said earlier I'm fine with that book not being taught, given that some may view it as dated, but that it belongs in school libraries. To exile it based on extremist views on representation is insane.
There's probably somebody out there pitching a Lord Of The Flies remake with a diverse cast. Not recognizing that them all being (white) boys, and the type of British school they came from, are central to what the book is saying.
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 04:37:28 PM
You don't have the ability to self obsess about something soooo much, that you wake up at 6 am and do it till 2 am. You don't have that ability to drill down, dig deep, and and get noticed. You are weak and what you can't stand is that despite all of your "success" you are hollow.
We are not the same and you know I am better than you. I know what bothers you. It bothers you that you will die, damp in the darkness of your own mind, not really having lived nor experienced life. An oxygen tank strapped to the side as your body is dressed in tape. All you hear are beeps and the chatter of nurses talking about what men they're currently dating. so your skin itches, fearing what comes next. You want to scream, but you can only whisper. You don't believe in God but you wish you did so very badly so that you could curse his name in your blindness, in your numbness. All you feel is the cold shiver of your life's final act and rather than a curse to your Creator you let out a gasp, eyes frozen from the tears in your own Godlessness. You admit to being suicidal in another thread. You will embrace the emptiness of your life with your hearts last jump, and then nothing. A void.
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 04:40:34 PM
Most of the leftist conversations I've seen don't recommend banning but I've seen many that say it shouldn't be taught in schools because "white savior" or "a white's perspective doesn't matter." Brain worms and frankly not much better than wanting to ban a book due to being racist.
To be perfectly honest...they've targeted a variety of classic lit books. I've seen leftists argue Lord Of The Flies is problematic because it lacks diversity, and that a book centered on white male perspectives is worthless. Yes I agree with you, this is parody level stupidity. I said earlier I'm fine with that book not being taught, given that some may view it as dated, but that it belongs in school libraries. To exile it based on extremist views on representation is insane.
There's probably somebody out there pitching a Lord Of The Flies remake with a diverse cast. Not recognizing that them all being (white) boys, and the type of British school they came from, are central to what the book is saying.
I think thats a simplification. What Ive heard is that a lot of the classics aren't exactly great literature, but theyre taught due to inertia + a small pool. Aka, books written by white American or British men, and new generations teaching what they were taught.
AKA, while there is certainly value to teaching Shakespeare, because of how influential the storylines are, you dont need a course that is ONLY Shakespeare.
Because you can only teach so many books in a year, its worth looking at other cultures and languages to see if there are better books to teach that hit on similar points of discussion but are written better or are better balanced.
Post by: Nintex on October 12, 2022, 04:42:41 PM
2 years in and Biden is basically at war with everybody.
With compliments from the Jabrack Obamur crackhead foreign policy team :playa
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 04:44:32 PM
I'm not actually low IQ in any way. I won't reveal what it is and I guarantee I have more skills and talents than you. My binary thinking is really helpful in learning things.
That constant measure of self criticism is precisely how I get good at things and precisely why I am better than you.
This is the gold I am referring to. The inflated sense of self importance and superiority that drives the Karen movement. Zero self reflection.
it's incredible.
MORE MORE MORE.
Quote
You don't have the ability to self obsess about something soooo much, that you wake up at 6 am and do it till 2 am.
My Minecraft world disagrees with this libel. You better step back with these accusations before you get Alex Jonesed
Quote
We are not the same and you know I am better than you. I know what bothers you. It bothers you that you will die, damp in the darkness of your own mind, not really having lived nor experienced life. An oxygen tank strapped to the side as your body is dressed in tape. All you hear are beeps and the chatter of nurses talking about what men they're currently dating. You want to scream, but you can only whisper and in your final words you let out a gasp. You have no God, you admit to being suicidal in another thread. You will embrace the emptiness of your life, your hearts last jump, and then nothing. A void.
Whats your livejournal this isnt bad at all
Post by: BIONIC on October 12, 2022, 04:47:44 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 12, 2022, 04:48:34 PM
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 04:50:17 PM
:doge
Most of the leftist conversations I've seen don't recommend banning but I've seen many that say it shouldn't be taught in schools because "white savior" or "a white's perspective doesn't matter." Brain worms and frankly not much better than wanting to ban a book due to being racist.The vast majority of people who have attempted to ban or remove To Kill A Mockingbird from schools since the 1960s are racist parents, often in the south, upset about the topics described in the book (you know, racism). Who claim the book is obscene due to the n-word, among other things, in order to put on what they believe to be a more reasonable/less racist-looking facade. A couple delusional leftist teachers in Seattle doesn't change that. I will definitely say I have noticed that argument appearing on the left though, often from white writers who seemingly don't understand what a "white savior" character is. I see no argument for Atticus being that, given how flawed of a character he'd depicted as in the book (vs the movie).Every year there's a push from a certain group of people (racists) who want to ban books like To Kill A Mockingbird
well, no, it's because to kill a mockingbird is itself racist actually
https://crosscut.com/news/2022/01/kill-mockingbird-hot-seat-wa-school-districtQuoteThe teachers’ objections to the book included criticism that Black characters are not fully realized and that the book romanticizes the idea of a “white savior.”
The teachers also cited concerns that characters in the book frequently use the N-word while no character explains that the slur is derogatory, and that the word and the portrayal of Black characters cause harm to students of color.
this article does not mention it but another point I've seen raised is that harper lee as a white person in the 50s was ill-equipped to accurately represent the struggles, behaviors and culture of the Black experience at that time or indeed any time
The white liberal guilt of these types of people, and the brain rot it generates, is pretty wild.
Who does Atticus even save?? He literally loses the case and his defendant is shot to death. What are leftist crackers even smoking? I told you leftism is a disease, PD. I'm glad to see you acknowledge it.
To be perfectly honest...they've targeted a variety of classic lit books. I've seen leftists argue Lord Of The Flies is problematic because it lacks diversity, and that a book centered on white male perspectives is worthless. Yes I agree with you, this is parody level stupidity. I said earlier I'm fine with that book not being taught, given that some may view it as dated, but that it belongs in school libraries. To exile it based on extremist views on representation is insane.
There's probably somebody out there pitching a Lord Of The Flies remake with a diverse cast. Not recognizing that them all being (white) boys, and the type of British school they came from, are central to what the book is saying.
They're so racist against white people and so unappreciative of prior cultural milestones because "white people". It's pretty crazy anyone could find Lord of the Flies problematic.
By the same token, some conservatives take it to the opposite degree. While we speak of book bannings, what's the point of banning Persepolis, a story of a young woman being raised during the Iran Revolution?
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 04:53:50 PM
Patriot Point Inflation :existential
I warned you to stock up last month Nintex.
If you haven't bought your Glen Beck post collapse survival kit you still have time.
Use code JamesFund at checkout for a free ounce of gold and 2 premium meal kits
:trumps
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2022, 04:56:02 PM
Having men compete with women in sports, the entire trans thing, especially when forced on kids, trans women forcing themselves into women's spaces - even lesbian spaces
Then there's the slippery slope that has happened. Ever since the legalization of gay marriage society has become increasingly sexual in public from social media, to porn being inescapable, to kids being hooted and hollered over by a bunch adult men as they shake their ass. It is a complete dopaminization of civilization, much like with Rome, and gives credence that gays sex is solely about lust and not love, and that mentality, as it gain social acceptance through osmosis, is cancerous to society which ultimately doesn't mean anything to LGBTQ because they mostly cannot reproduce.
Society, as a whole, is much better with them in the closet. Ever since their full integration into society it has become a warped society. It is unnatural and wrong.
No other group gets this kind of social power for such a small minority. There truly is a gay agenda. I supported gay people my entire life. I capable of saying I was wrong about them.
LGBTQ destroys society. We should learn from Rome's example. Live your life. Doesn't mean your lifestyle should gain acceptance.You're conflating a lot of things into a "gay agenda", ascribing motives to everyone in a large and diverse group even while using an example of in-group dispute, then ascribing everything potentially bad to a position now held by 75+% of the population.
You want us to learn from Rome but we could probably ascribe some of their issues to the spread of monotheistic religions rather than the spread of too many individual liberties.
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 05:01:43 PM
https://youtu.be/CP3n5SvOqck
Having men compete with women in sports, the entire trans thing, especially when forced on kids, trans women forcing themselves into women's spaces - even lesbian spacesThen there's the slippery slope that has happened. Ever since the legalization of gay marriage society has become increasingly sexual in public from social media, to porn being inescapable, to kids being hooted and hollered over by a bunch adult men as they shake their ass. It is a complete dopaminization of civilization, much like with Rome, and gives credence that gays sex is solely about lust and not love, and that mentality, as it gain social acceptance through osmosis, is cancerous to society which ultimately doesn't mean anything to LGBTQ because they mostly cannot reproduce.
Society, as a whole, is much better with them in the closet. Ever since their full integration into society it has become a warped society. It is unnatural and wrong.No other group gets this kind of social power for such a small minority. There truly is a gay agenda. I supported gay people my entire life. I capable of saying I was wrong about them.LGBTQ destroys society. We should learn from Rome's example. Live your life. Doesn't mean your lifestyle should gain acceptance.You're conflating a lot of things into a "gay agenda", ascribing motives to everyone in a large and diverse group even while using an example of in-group dispute, then ascribing everything potentially bad to a position now held by 75+% of the population.
You want us to learn from Rome but we could probably ascribe some of their issues to the spread of monotheistic religions rather than the spread of too many individual liberties.
You're correct in that some gays are very vocal against the trans agenda. Sometimes the gay agenda and the trans agenda are two separate things foisted onto us by two different groups all under the LGBTQ umbrella. In practice, LGBTQ is still forcing society to fully accept their way of living through their activism.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2022, 05:04:22 PM
Most of the leftist conversations I've seen don't recommend banning but I've seen many that say it shouldn't be taught in schools because "white savior" or "a white's perspective doesn't matter." Brain worms and frankly not much better than wanting to ban a book due to being racist.
To be perfectly honest...they've targeted a variety of classic lit books. I've seen leftists argue Lord Of The Flies is problematic because it lacks diversity, and that a book centered on white male perspectives is worthless. Yes I agree with you, this is parody level stupidity. I said earlier I'm fine with that book not being taught, given that some may view it as dated, but that it belongs in school libraries. To exile it based on extremist views on representation is insane.
There's probably somebody out there pitching a Lord Of The Flies remake with a diverse cast. Not recognizing that them all being (white) boys, and the type of British school they came from, are central to what the book is saying.
I think thats a simplification. What Ive heard is that a lot of the classics aren't exactly great literature, but theyre taught due to inertia + a small pool. Aka, books written by white American or British men, and new generations teaching what they were taught.
AKA, while there is certainly value to teaching Shakespeare, because of how influential the storylines are, you dont need a course that is ONLY Shakespeare.
Because you can only teach so many books in a year, its worth looking at other cultures and languages to see if there are better books to teach that hit on similar points of discussion but are written better or are better balanced.
I agree with half of this. We should always see some progression when it comes to literary work and what is (generally) being presented to students. I would imagine that in the 1960s there was pushback when books like To Kill A Mockingbird started supplanting the works of James Joyce in classrooms, for instance. I have no issue with any of these books we've mentioned, which are quite old, being replaced by newer works from the 80s-today.
But at the same time we can't simply dismiss the fact that there is indeed a movement to ignore, erase, or simply dismiss previous literary works solely on racial grounds. You say some argue the books aren't that well written...but the same thing is happening to Joyce on the university level. Surely no one would argue James Joyce was an overrated writer.
There's a lot of tiktok content shitting on books by blatantly misreading them and judging fictional characters on real world, modern standards. So naturally these people don't like Catcher In The Rye for instance. Personally I'm baffled by the constant obsession with fictional characters mirroring our own views. It's another example of the way low brow media consumption habits are applied to art. A generation of people who grew up watching Disney constantly turn villains into sympathetic good guys - absolving them of their toxicity - are now expecting the same infantile approach be taken to literature. Good luck with Blood Meridian, kid.
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 05:06:34 PM
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 05:12:22 PM
You say some argue the books aren't that well written...but the same thing is happening to Joyce on the university level. Surely no one would argue James Joyce was an overrated writer.
I really enjoyed reading Joyce in high school. However my friend is getting a PhD in literature (or something like that) and despises Joyce. Says hes overrated trash.
Post by: Uncle on October 12, 2022, 05:24:21 PM
This is all started with censoring Huckleberry Finn. Progressives and extreme conservatives both want to censor literature, but censor in their own way that shapes their agenda. In this case the cons just happen to be correct about the lgbtq content in school libraries. K-12 library should not have a book that features visualized fellatio (whether gay or straight) and gender transitions.
is the fact that it's visually graphic the only issue?
when I was in 7th grade my english teacher had a shelf of random books (not sure if drawn from the library or just personal) and that's where I read Thinner, which opens with a guy getting a handjob from his wife while driving which causes him to run over a gypsy (outdated slur) and gets cursed to lose weight to death
I think the school library had other Stephen King books like It which as everyone now knows features an underage gangbang and graphically discusses penis girth of a fat kid
I also remember that Lord of the Flies has the boys laughing about shoving their stick "up her ass"
similarly another book that was required reading for me was Bless Me Ultima, a coming of age book "exploring the religiosity of Chicano culture" where I remember a group of boys looking through a hole in the wall to see their teacher's pussy
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2022, 05:25:21 PM
You're correct in that some gays are very vocal against the trans agenda. Sometimes the gay agenda and the trans agenda are two separate things foisted onto us by two different groups all under the LGBTQ umbrella. In practice, LGBTQ is still forcing society to fully accept their way of living through their activism.So who do you want arrested for what?
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 05:43:18 PM
This is all started with censoring Huckleberry Finn. Progressives and extreme conservatives both want to censor literature, but censor in their own way that shapes their agenda. In this case the cons just happen to be correct about the lgbtq content in school libraries. K-12 library should not have a book that features visualized fellatio (whether gay or straight) and gender transitions.
is the fact that it's visually graphic the only issue?
when I was in 7th grade my english teacher had a shelf of random books (not sure if drawn from the library or just personal) and that's where I read Thinner, which opens with a guy getting a handjob from his wife while driving which causes him to run over a gypsy (outdated slur) and gets cursed to lose weight to death
I think the school library had other Stephen King books like It which as everyone now knows features an underage gangbang and graphically discusses penis girth of a fat kid
I also remember that Lord of the Flies has the boys laughing about shoving their stick "up her ass"
similarly another book that was required reading for me was Bless Me Ultima, a coming of age book "exploring the religiosity of Chicano culture" where I remember a group of boys looking through a hole in the wall to see their teacher's pussy
We read the Awakening in 9th grade which is described as
"Edna Pontellier and her struggle between her increasingly unorthodox views on femininity and motherhood with the prevailing social attitudes of the turn-of-the-century American South. It is one of the earliest American novels that focuses on women's issues without condescension. It is also widely seen as a landmark work of early feminism'
Super boring.
But we also watched the movie adaptation (Grand Isle) which ends with an extended scene in which the female lead is naked in the ocean on her back.
Long time at the whole class looking at those full ample breasts floating in the ocean
Wait a second.
I like breasts
Was I groomed into enjoying boobs
:mindblown
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on October 12, 2022, 05:48:58 PM
I love that you're so obsessed with me.this is literally the basis of my post on this, though
if you accept that there are good reasons that some books ought to be excluded from school libraries, THEN you can start to dither over the details of whether this particular one is justified or not
bash conservatives and their shit reasoning all you like, just don't pretend that there's no reason literally any book's inclusion should ever be questioned
All they have to do is simply apply the test determined by the USSC - the Miller Test.
That being said, I propose an updated version, the Himu test.
Basically, whatever Himu thinks, do they exact opposite.
I think youre fascinating.
Pretty much everyone at the bore is an educated, successful professional in their 30s-40s. We may not agree on everything, but we have the basic building blocks needed to have a conversation based around logic and reason.
You arent like that. Youre the 30% of the population that is low-IQ and incredibly easy to manipulate, confuse, and recruit. Its a fantastic insight into how folks like Trump or Chavez or Bolsonaro develop cults and can within the span of a single sentence proudly proclaim two completely contradictory viewpoints while actually genuinely thinking you are smart and logical and right.
Its just remarkable.
The problem with political consultants and operatives, especially on the left, is that they dont have access to people like you to prod and poke and observe. Youre a goldmine.
When you post, I feel the same level of excitement Dr. Oz must feel when he sees a fresh litter of puppies.
Holy shit a good James post.
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 06:12:24 PM
You're correct in that some gays are very vocal against the trans agenda. Sometimes the gay agenda and the trans agenda are two separate things foisted onto us by two different groups all under the LGBTQ umbrella. In practice, LGBTQ is still forcing society to fully accept their way of living through their activism.So who do you want arrested for what?
Never said anything about arrests. Just disagree with their agenda.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on October 12, 2022, 06:19:48 PM
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 06:19:51 PM
This is all started with censoring Huckleberry Finn. Progressives and extreme conservatives both want to censor literature, but censor in their own way that shapes their agenda. In this case the cons just happen to be correct about the lgbtq content in school libraries. K-12 library should not have a book that features visualized fellatio (whether gay or straight) and gender transitions.
is the fact that it's visually graphic the only issue?
when I was in 7th grade my english teacher had a shelf of random books (not sure if drawn from the library or just personal) and that's where I read Thinner, which opens with a guy getting a handjob from his wife while driving which causes him to run over a gypsy (outdated slur) and gets cursed to lose weight to death
I think the school library had other Stephen King books like It which as everyone now knows features an underage gangbang and graphically discusses penis girth of a fat kid
I also remember that Lord of the Flies has the boys laughing about shoving their stick "up her ass"
similarly another book that was required reading for me was Bless Me Ultima, a coming of age book "exploring the religiosity of Chicano culture" where I remember a group of boys looking through a hole in the wall to see their teacher's pussy
For me it's not about visual graphic content that's the issue or we wouldn't be able to read some truly amazing work in High School. None of these things you mention are a part of an agenda to push on young people. No one wants to gang bang a girl to defeat an intergalactic demon in the shape of a clown so the teacher hands them It to read on how to do so. Meanwhile, if you think you're trans, a teacher can suggest an LGBTQ agenda laced book to check out at the library that includes visualizations of blowjobs and transitioning, all while not telling the student's parents what's going on. One is just the creative enterprise of the mind; the other, full on indoctrination.
Post by: Nintex on October 12, 2022, 06:28:52 PM
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No one wants to gang bang a girl to defeat an intergalactic demon in the shape of a clown:wut :info
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 06:31:37 PM
QuoteNo one wants to gang bang a girl to defeat an intergalactic demon in the shape of a clown:wut :info
(https://i.imgur.com/RIZkXNw.gif)
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 06:36:49 PM
Post by: Uncle on October 12, 2022, 06:48:29 PM
None of these things you mention are a part of an agenda to push on young people.
well, I mentioned explicit content, but how can you be so confident that the rest of those books don't promote an agenda?
broadly you can say that school has an agenda to teach kids how to be good citizens in the society they grow up in, and required literature might just be about how to read anything at all, and absorb what you read and think about it critically
but how can we be sure that these specific books aren't chosen to fulfill an agenda, and it's just that nobody noticed until we all became hyper-scrutinizing of everything? additionally, while we wield the word "agenda" as a dark insidious thing, can't there be positive agendas?
like Lord of the Flies teaching us to reject superstition/fear, petty tribalism and mob mentality that leads us to commit terrible acts without thinking
those who want to foster tribalism and in group/out group thinking might want us to reject this message, and would grumble about the book's agenda
they'd say things like, "sometimes it IS important to get angry and take a stand, let the mob justice wash over us and burn it all down...this book urging calm rationality props up institutions which are threatened by any call to action"
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2022, 06:55:03 PM
Never said anything about arrests. Just disagree with their agenda.What are you even talking about here then? You've gone on and on about the dangers of acceptance and pointed to changes in the law as the issue and how there will be blowback from it, now you're saying that you think the blowback should just be some more criticism?
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on October 12, 2022, 07:02:28 PM
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 07:22:15 PM
Never said anything about arrests. Just disagree with their agenda.What are you even talking about here then? You've gone on and on about the dangers of acceptance and pointed to changes in the law as the issue and how there will be blowback from it, now you're saying that you think the blowback should just be some more criticism?
My argument remains the same. Gay marriage legalization allowed activists to roll their other issues into a big ball that society just has to accept at face value, cannot question, and must accept fully or else you're a bigot.
None of these things you mention are a part of an agenda to push on young people.
well, I mentioned explicit content, but how can you be so confident that the rest of those books don't promote an agenda?
broadly you can say that school has an agenda to teach kids how to be good citizens in the society they grow up in, and required literature might just be about how to read anything at all, and absorb what you read and think about it critically
but how can we be sure that these specific books aren't chosen to fulfill an agenda, and it's just that nobody noticed until we all became hyper-scrutinizing of everything? additionally, while we wield the word "agenda" as a dark insidious thing, can't there be positive agendas?
like Lord of the Flies teaching us to reject superstition/fear, petty tribalism and mob mentality that leads us to commit terrible acts without thinking
those who want to foster tribalism and in group/out group thinking might want us to reject this message, and would grumble about the book's agenda
they'd say things like, "sometimes it IS important to get angry and take a stand, let the mob justice wash over us and burn it all down...this book urging calm rationality props up institutions which are threatened by any call to action"
This is a fair postulation on your part, and much more nuanced and high thinking than what is normally presented on this site. I applaud you. It can be argued any creative exercise is used to articulate the creators agenda because art is a mind's exercise and most art has something to say, or most good art does. To be true, Lord of the Flies demonstrates the human capacity to go from civilized to group think within a hair of each other just as The Old Man And The Sea is a story about adversity and strength of heart no matter the odds. So it would be true that most art is the the author, director, photographer articulating their truth which may contain very key life lessons. But I do not think the snapshots of the book (books) above satisfies that urge. To be sure, it's the authors experience, and I'm not taking away from that. But another passage from one book is:
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“I can’t wait to have your cum in my mouth. I am going to give you the blowjob of your life, and then I want you inside me.”
“What if I told you I touched another guy’s dick? What if I told you I sucked it? I was ten years old, but it’s true. I sucked Doug Goble’s dick, the real estate guy, and he sucked mine too.”
Do you approve of pedophilic content? It's not saying any of this is a bad thing, by the way. How is this promoting a life lesson? How is it something worth telling a K-12 student?
Is all content in libraries allowed? Are children allowed to read anything and everything? They can still get the book, but not in the school library.
What's the line? Considering that a school recently had an assignment where they request second graders to take pictures of themselves (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/2nd-grader-kicked-out-of-christian-school-after-parents-refused-to-photograph-her-in-the-bathtub/ar-AA12trMx) in the bathtub, how does one separate truly abusive intent with innocent inquiry? Do you not see the agenda? Is this content really appropriate for a K-12 library? Are we allowed to grab some hentai in the library too now since we're being fair and all? Do they have Throat Gaggers Volume 3 to check out?
Do you think it's okay for a kid struggling with their sexuality to read a book that says it's okay to give the real estate man a blowjob? What's your limit?
himu, find help.
I had my therapy session today and it went great, thank you very much. I'm perfectly fine and doing pretty great. :)
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 07:32:01 PM
Do you think it's okay for a kid struggling with their sexuality to read a book that says it's okay to give the real estate man a blowjob? What's your limit?
Thats not what is happening in the quote.
The author is describing a real experience he had where he, a 4th grader, sucked the dick of another 4th grader (who later became a real estate agent)
He is not condoning the act. He is not instructing others. He is retelling true events.
Your argument is basically:
a) The actions being talked about are bad
and
b) If kids read this, they will do this.
Its the same lazy argument that says we should ban violent video games. If a kid plays Goldeneye, then surely he will start to kill right?
And presumably, the author of the book had his blowjob experience without having read the book.
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2022, 07:32:10 PM
My argument remains the same. Gay marriage legalization allowed activists to roll their other issues into a big ball that society just has to accept at face value, cannot question, and must accept fully or else you're a bigot.Okay, but you don't want gay marriage derecognized or things like sodomy recriminalized even though those victories of the "gay agenda" led to what you consider the current state of things.
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 07:35:08 PM
Do you think it's okay for a kid struggling with their sexuality to read a book that says it's okay to give the real estate man a blowjob? What's your limit?
Thats not what is happening in the quote.
The author is describing a real experience he had where he, a 4th grader, sucked the dick of another 4th grader (who later became a real estate agent)
He is not condoning the act. He is not instructing others. He is retelling true events.
Your argument is basically:
a) The actions being talked about are bad
and
b) If kids read this, they will do this.
Its the same lazy argument that says we should ban violent video games. If a kid plays Goldeneye, then surely he will start to kill right?
And presumably, the author of the book had his blowjob experience without having read the book.
It contains extremely pornographic material in a High School. I'm sorry but in the 90's and 00's you know for a fact that shit wouldn't be there in our libraries.
Post by: Uncle on October 12, 2022, 07:40:44 PM
What's your limit?
well, I was the person arguing in favor of some content possibly being too much for a school library
I think I'd be ok with that book not being present, and there are probably other books that could fulfill whatever rhetorical niche is broadly intended by that book without the graphic content, i.e. if the school must have an "it's ok to be gay and here is my life story" book
I think it's also likely that a majority of schools already don't stock that particular book...does the left condemn those schools for being so bigoted as to screen that content?
but I also think it's untenable to say "if a book has an agenda then we must remove it" because I think every book has some level of agenda, and that's ok
What's the line? Considering that a school recently had an assignment where they request second graders to take pictures of themselves (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/2nd-grader-kicked-out-of-christian-school-after-parents-refused-to-photograph-her-in-the-bathtub/ar-AA12trMx) in the bathtub, how does one separate truly abusive intent with innocent inquiry? Do you not see the agenda?
this one I'm convinced is a mountain out of a molehill, just a silly activity for kids with a hypersensitive parent
like if they'd said "take a photo of a toilet lol" and were forced to clarify that no one should be actively using said toilet
and since it seems to be a paid academy, the school had the luxury to cut ties with the karen parent because they could foresee this shit happening repeatedly down the line
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 07:42:47 PM
I think it's also likely that a majority of schools already don't stock that particular book...does the left condemn those schools for being so bigoted as to screen that content?
The left is celebrating Lawn Boy and Gender Queer.
https://theforestscout.com/34659/in-our-opinion/to-ban-or-not-to-ban-a-students-perspective/
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but I also think it's untenable to say "if a book has an agenda then we must remove it" because I think every book has some level of agenda, and that's ok
I agree this is a slippery slope and completely untenable.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on October 12, 2022, 07:43:07 PM
Post by: james on October 12, 2022, 07:45:59 PM
It contains extremely pornographic material in a High School. I'm sorry but in the 90's and 00's you know for a fact that shit wouldn't be there in our libraries.
Describing a blow job is extremely pornographic material?
“What,with my tongue in your tail?” - Taming of the Shrew
Here is a summary of a scene in Joyces Ulysses, which we certainly read in high school in the 90s
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In episode fifteen, while Bloom is at the brothel, he imagines switching roles with the proprietor, Bella Cohen. Not only roles, but genders: Bella becomes a man, Bello, and Bloom becomes a woman, Miss Ruby, ready to be penetrated. The fantasy is one of subjugation, sadomasochism, cross-dressing, and, in a strange twist of events, bestiality.
...
One can’t help but wince when they read that Bello “bares his arm and plunges it elbowdeep in Bloom’s vulva”! One of the most brutal scenes in the novel, here Bloom is feminized, violently fisted, and then branded. Bloom becomes both a woman and a beast as ‘she’ is auctioned off at a cattlemarket to the highest bidder, the climax of a sustained sexual fantasy gaining fervor and becoming increasingly lewd. This scene is, for lack of a better word, vulgar. Not smutty or sexy or salacious, but vulgar. If its intention was to shock readers, it likely did so — if they got that far into the notoriously long and difficult novel.
Of course the same slack-jawed conservatives tried to get it banned.
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In 1932, Random House and lawyer Morris Ernst arranged to import the French edition and have a copy seized by Customs. Random House contested the seizure, and in United States v. One Book Called Ulysses, U.S. District Judge John M. Woolsey ruled that the book was not pornographic and therefore could not be obscene,[69] a decision Stuart Gilbert called "epoch-making".[70] The Second Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed the ruling in 1934.[71] The U.S. thus became the first English-speaking country where the book was freely available.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_(novel)#Censorship
Post by: Uncle on October 12, 2022, 07:46:08 PM
The left is celebrating Lawn Boy and Gender Queer.
https://theforestscout.com/34659/in-our-opinion/to-ban-or-not-to-ban-a-students-perspective/
if the caption isn't misleading, this appears to be an opinion article in the school newspaper written by a random senior, not "the left" at large
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on October 12, 2022, 07:50:18 PM
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 08:07:19 PM
It contains extremely pornographic material in a High School. I'm sorry but in the 90's and 00's you know for a fact that shit wouldn't be there in our libraries.
Describing a blow job is extremely pornographic material?
“What,with my tongue in your tail?” - Taming of the Shrew
Here is a summary of a scene in Joyces Ulysses, which we certainly read in high school in the 90sQuoteIn episode fifteen, while Bloom is at the brothel, he imagines switching roles with the proprietor, Bella Cohen. Not only roles, but genders: Bella becomes a man, Bello, and Bloom becomes a woman, Miss Ruby, ready to be penetrated. The fantasy is one of subjugation, sadomasochism, cross-dressing, and, in a strange twist of events, bestiality.
...
One can’t help but wince when they read that Bello “bares his arm and plunges it elbowdeep in Bloom’s vulva”! One of the most brutal scenes in the novel, here Bloom is feminized, violently fisted, and then branded. Bloom becomes both a woman and a beast as ‘she’ is auctioned off at a cattlemarket to the highest bidder, the climax of a sustained sexual fantasy gaining fervor and becoming increasingly lewd. This scene is, for lack of a better word, vulgar. Not smutty or sexy or salacious, but vulgar. If its intention was to shock readers, it likely did so — if they got that far into the notoriously long and difficult novel.
Of course the same slack-jawed conservatives tried to get it banned.QuoteIn 1932, Random House and lawyer Morris Ernst arranged to import the French edition and have a copy seized by Customs. Random House contested the seizure, and in United States v. One Book Called Ulysses, U.S. District Judge John M. Woolsey ruled that the book was not pornographic and therefore could not be obscene,[69] a decision Stuart Gilbert called "epoch-making".[70] The Second Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed the ruling in 1934.[71] The U.S. thus became the first English-speaking country where the book was freely available.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_(novel)#Censorship
Fair point and well reasoned.
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2022, 08:12:25 PM
I'm sorry but in the 90's and 00's you know for a fact that shit wouldn't be there in our libraries.I'm sorry but I'm not going to pretend like the school officials I had growing up were paragons of virtue and ethics who should regulate our culture forever.
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 08:17:21 PM
Uncle do you think this is appropriate in a K-12 setting?
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/disney-executive-producer-admits-to-gay-agenda-adding-queerness-wherever-she-could/
Since you doubt a gay agenda.
Post by: Himu on October 12, 2022, 09:35:24 PM
I'm sorry but in the 90's and 00's you know for a fact that shit wouldn't be there in our libraries.I'm sorry but I'm not going to pretend like the school officials I had growing up were paragons of virtue and ethics who should regulate our culture forever.
Let me write an anecdote.
A baby gets sick. He laid in his bed going cough, cough, cough! His mother buys a dark red syrup to ease the pain and make his hard throat soft. The baby spits out the cough syrup. "I'll force feed the medicine by pinch his cheeks in!"
Down it went. It tasted disgusting.
The child got older and was sick again. He laid in his bed going cough, cough, cough! His mother buys a dark red syrup to ease the pain but this time had another thought! "I'll promise his ice cream if he takes his medicine!"
Down it went. It smelled disgusting but at least there was dessert afterwards.
The child became a teenager and was sick again. He laid in his bed going cough, cough, cough! His father buys a dark red syrup to ease the pain but this time the teenager took it willingly. "I'll disappoint dad if I don't take it!"
Down it went. It looked disgusting but he made his father happy.
The teenager became a man and was sick again. He laid in his bed going cough, cough, cough! He buys a dark red syrup to ease the pain but this time the man couldn't wait to take it. "The more I'm sick the less work I can get done!"
Down it went. It actually tasted pretty good!
Throughout our lives we are raised in a specific manner and taught certain values by our parents, our communities, our nations. Many of these things we reject because we find them outdated or just flat out wrong. There comes a time in every person's life when we can finally admit that some things, mom and dad were right about all along and we come to embrace tradition, our parents, and our culture.
Being grown means being able to say you were wrong in how you rejected what you were taught and that your parents, your family, your culture were right along.
Thank God for tradition. In this world there's only Right and Wrong and some of us take our medicine later than others.
https://twitter.com/D_B_Harrison/status/1434262910696493058
https://twitter.com/tradcatmaria/status/1434235268094173185
https://twitter.com/lavern_spicer/status/1434231529891368962
Post by: Potato on October 12, 2022, 09:55:14 PM
If a kid plays Goldeneye, then surely he will start to kill right?If he is going to do it with devastating style, good looks and panache like James Bond, then who are we to discourage him?
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2022, 10:06:48 PM
Thank God for tradition. In this world there's only Right and Wrong and some of us take our medicine later than others.But if you just want independent social shaming for people who won't take their medicine or even those who advocate that the medicine actually is bad then why are you posting diatribes about it in a politics thread?
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2022, 01:53:40 AM
Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2022, 02:06:30 AM
Saudi's throw Joe Biden under the bus
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2022, 02:31:02 AM
Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2022, 02:46:33 AM
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2022, 02:51:01 AM
No, this is on the US. Macron told Biden / Blinken to produce themselves because the Arabs can't produce more. That was caught on camera earlier this year.
I'm well aware. But MBS and the Saudis always want something. He will deny this, but come to America for something some time or other, hence the hand that feeds. Saudi's try to flex power but in reality they are western boot lickers.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on October 13, 2022, 05:33:11 AM
I'm sorry but in the 90's and 00's you know for a fact that shit wouldn't be there in our libraries.I'm sorry but I'm not going to pretend like the school officials I had growing up were paragons of virtue and ethics who should regulate our culture forever.
Let me write an anecdote.
A baby gets sick. He laid in his bed going cough, cough, cough! His mother buys a dark red syrup to ease the pain and make his hard throat soft. The baby spits out the cough syrup. "I'll force feed the medicine by pinch his cheeks in!"
Down it went. It tasted disgusting.
The child got older and was sick again. He laid in his bed going cough, cough, cough! His mother buys a dark red syrup to ease the pain but this time had another thought! "I'll promise his ice cream if he takes his medicine!"
Down it went. It smelled disgusting but at least there was dessert afterwards.
The child became a teenager and was sick again. He laid in his bed going cough, cough, cough! His father buys a dark red syrup to ease the pain but this time the teenager took it willingly. "I'll disappoint dad if I don't take it!"
Down it went. It looked disgusting but he made his father happy.
The teenager became a man and was sick again. He laid in his bed going cough, cough, cough! He buys a dark red syrup to ease the pain but this time the man couldn't wait to take it. "The more I'm sick the less work I can get done!"
Down it went. It actually tasted pretty good!
Throughout our lives we are raised in a specific manner and taught certain values by our parents, our communities, our nations. Many of these things we reject because we find them outdated or just flat out wrong. There comes a time in every person's life when we can finally admit that some things, mom and dad were right about all along and we come to embrace tradition, our parents, and our culture.
Being grown means being able to say you were wrong in how you rejected what you were taught and that your parents, your family, your culture were right along.
Thank God for tradition. In this world there's only Right and Wrong and some of us take our medicine later than others.
https://twitter.com/D_B_Harrison/status/1434262910696493058
https://twitter.com/tradcatmaria/status/1434235268094173185
https://twitter.com/lavern_spicer/status/1434231529891368962
This is the stupidest shit I've read on the bore. And i almost exclusive peruse the other forums thread.
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2022, 06:56:08 AM
In other news Turtle Dad! 😍
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/11/politics/mitch-mcconnell-interview-midterm-cliffhanger/index.html
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2022, 08:45:02 AM
https://twitter.com/pragmatometer/status/1580215670041587713
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/pragmatometer/status/1580217011396698112
https://twitter.com/pragmatometer/status/1580219202828267520
https://twitter.com/pragmatometer/status/1580219202828267520
The academic History profession is amazing
https://twitter.com/damintoell/status/1578596006190493696
https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/1578708068762013697
https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/1578708068762013697
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Post by: james on October 13, 2022, 10:02:41 AM
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Inflation increased 0.4% in September, more than expected despite rate hikes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2022, 01:05:05 PM
also I'm not educated or a professional.
All this time I thought you were a lawyer.
Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2022, 01:21:51 PM
:trumps
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on October 13, 2022, 02:09:31 PM
also I'm not educated or a professional.
All this time I thought you were a lawyer.
Bird Law.
Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2022, 02:39:43 PM
:idont
Post by: Occam on October 13, 2022, 03:02:08 PM
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2022, 03:03:16 PM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1580547166484905985 (https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1580547166484905985)
:idont
:trumps
Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2022, 03:08:15 PM
:biden
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2022, 03:15:10 PM
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2022, 03:17:41 PM
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1580576569541611522
Parks and Rec shit.
Post by: james on October 13, 2022, 03:26:33 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/cagoldberglaw/status/1578121292502409216
Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2022, 03:40:20 PM
This seems like a bigger deal than a graphic in a book
https://mobile.twitter.com/cagoldberglaw/status/1578121292502409216
(https://i.imgflip.com/6wt1gw.jpg)
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2022, 03:47:57 PM
This seems like a bigger deal than a graphic in a book
https://mobile.twitter.com/cagoldberglaw/status/1578121292502409216
Pretty depraved. We need CBS and Amazon to answer for this.
Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2022, 03:53:04 PM
The television event of the year.
Post by: Occam on October 13, 2022, 04:15:06 PM
Post by: james on October 13, 2022, 04:18:58 PM
Why, to look at an empty chair or hear several hours of "I don't recall"?
When Trump says "I dont recall", simply reply with "Oh I guess Biden has better memory" and watch Trump spill every bean on earth
Post by: Occam on October 13, 2022, 05:31:09 PM
"The Supreme Court on Thursday refused to reinstate Judge Aileen M. Cannon’s order that a special master review classified documents taken in an FBI search of Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump’s Florida home and private club."
(WaPo)
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2022, 05:44:38 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/1580644181122330625 (https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/1580644181122330625)
The television event of the year.
Nothing will happen unfortunately. I've been blue balled too many times.
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2022, 06:34:46 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe6kQUkVQAEoXff?format=jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe6kQUhVsAIVU6_?format=jpg)Twitter's character limit was really helping this guy seem smarter.
:trumps
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2022, 06:47:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/kyZj54O.png)
spoiler (click to show/hide)
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https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1574723684455120897
https://twitter.com/H_MitchellPhoto/status/1575477415320641537
https://twitter.com/damintoell/status/1574236721679564800
https://twitter.com/IAmNickReynolds/status/1574880022237683723
https://twitter.com/Fight_Back_NYC/status/1574972443147763712
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https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1574723684455120897
https://twitter.com/H_MitchellPhoto/status/1575477415320641537
https://twitter.com/damintoell/status/1574236721679564800
https://twitter.com/IAmNickReynolds/status/1574880022237683723
https://twitter.com/Fight_Back_NYC/status/1574972443147763712
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Post by: Himu on October 13, 2022, 08:45:17 PM
:rejoice
Keep talking truth to power, JK.
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2022, 09:05:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1580653480502362114
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1580647641540485121
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1580647304666632192
Let's look at some Donkey tears.
https://twitter.com/WAxelFoley/status/1580656804027322368
https://twitter.com/JustMeHunnyBee/status/1580661835023671296
https://twitter.com/KWPcrinklybum/status/1580650446024101888
With liberals it's always "they're stupid" "they're uneducated". If you're so smart why do you continue to lose, smart asses?
Meanwhile, Leader McConnell
https://twitter.com/LeaderMcConnell/status/1580601193767632903
https://twitter.com/LeaderMcConnell/status/1575178736785584129
https://twitter.com/LeaderMcConnell/status/1572301958387482626
Thank you for fighting for Americans, Mitch.
Post by: Occam on October 14, 2022, 01:38:28 AM
It's indeed quite amazing how they managed to brainwash a huge part of the population to permanently abandon all values, to continually vote against their own best interests, making them poorer and poorer, destroying the environment, taking away rights, freedoms and social security.
You wonder why everyone who observes Republicans from the outside of their bubble thinks they are morons? Because that's objectively measurable reality.
"Conservatism and cognitive ability are negatively correlated. The evidence is based on 1254 community college students and 1600 foreign students seeking entry to United States' universities. At the individual level of analysis, conservatism scores correlate negatively with SAT, Vocabulary, and Analogy test scores. At the national level of analysis, conservatism scores correlate negatively with measures of education (e.g., gross enrollment at primary, secondary, and tertiary levels) and performance on mathematics and reading assessments from the PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) project. They also correlate with components of the Failed States Index and several other measures of economic and political development of nations. Conservatism scores have higher correlations with economic and political measures than estimated IQ scores."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289609000051
This isn't exactly news.
“Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives...
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it. Suppose any party, in addition to whatever share it may possess of the ability of the community, has nearly the whole of its stupidity, that party must, by the law of its constitution, be the stupidest party; and I do not see why honorable gentlemen should see that position as at all offensive to them, for it ensures their being always an extremely powerful party . . . There is so much dense, solid force in sheer stupidity, that any body of able men with that force pressing behind them may ensure victory in many a struggle, and many a victory the Conservative party has gained through that power."
John Stuart Mill ( British philosopher, economist, and liberal member of Parliament for Westminster from 1865 to 68 )
And Republicans aren't just regular old conservatives anymore, they have long since become a malicious caricature, bordering on insanity.
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2022, 02:22:46 AM
Liberals view Republicans as morons because they subsist in their own bubble, which is precisely why they're always so shocked they lose. Because they don't value a diversity in viewpoints. They pick only those that stroke their ego. When I talk to Republicans no matter the type (fiscal conservatives, religious conservatives, lib rights;etc.), I can have a conversation even if we disagree - and we often disagree on much as I think universal healthcare should be a thing and I'm willing to pay a higher tax for it. With libs, you only get condescension, bullying, and group think tactics of "all of us agree...except you, therefore we are right." This elitism and conflation of intelligence and voting is precisely why people don't like liberals. Frankly, I find them disgusting. You're the same people that declare to care about people, unless they don't vote the same you do. You claim to talk loving the downtrodden, unless they disagree with you. You claim to care about the poor while also talking of intelligence, something the poor often lacks in a mainstream, conventional sense due to lower opportunities. Liberals are glad handed, double think spreading, elitist dick stroking cock goblins. A group of chuckle fucks who think their own farts don't stink.
Take James. He says this group y'all got here are a bunch of educated professionals and accuses me of being low iq despite me having a Masters education. No one truly smart actually gives af about IQ much less flaunts it.
Both parties are for an elite few. Never forget that. But at least with the Republicans they'll leave me the fuck alone (for the most part) and allow us to live our lives as we choose without the government forcing itself onto me - which is what America is all about.
I'll give the commies and socialists one thing: they're not fucking liberals and they're not fucking hypocrites. Liberals and the "soft left" as I call are just people that like to suck cock and brag about it. A bunch of ideological troglodytes who have a superiority complex that jack off to themselves in the mirror. I cannot stand the communists and their awful ideology but damn are they so much better people than liberals.
Thankfully we have people like Mitch that defeat them time and time again despite their claims of superiority.
Post by: Occam on October 14, 2022, 02:37:05 AM
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2022, 02:53:54 AM
It's indeed quite amazing how they managed to brainwash a huge part of the population to permanently abandon all values, to continually vote against their own best interests, making them poorer and poorer, destroying the environment, taking away rights, freedoms and social security.But enough about the Democratic Party, it's time to talk Republicans! :ohyou
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2022, 03:24:39 AM
Did it?
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Raising the minimum wage just resulted in a situation where things got even more expensive, even pre-pandemic.
But you know what did raise my wage? Actual effort and putting time into myself to learn new skills, whether it's computer certification or a graduate program. Turns out Republicans were right the whole time and nothing can substitute putting time in yourself. America is full of opportunity. You just have to seek it rather than looking for the next fucking hand out.
Like I said earlier, there's only Right and there's Wrong.
Just one example of Democrats making Americans poorer and poorer and Republicans being right. It takes a lot to admit being wrong, and I can say that I was. The idea that the Republicans are wrong about completely everything is just Democratic Kool-Aid sucked from the teet of their own hubris.
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2022, 03:44:02 AM
:american
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on October 14, 2022, 08:35:31 AM
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2022, 12:39:39 PM
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The markets and the models are also telling very different stories about the trajectory of the race, though — and I think this gets at two potential ways in which political betting markets sometimes aren’t that smart.
One weakness of these markets is that they tend to follow the media narrative about the race more so than they do the underlying evidence. The source for this claim: yours truly, because I’ve been doing this for a very long time.2
My impression for the past few weeks is that media coverage has been leaning into the Republican-rebound story. (So has ours, to be unhypocritical about this.) And in some ways, this coverage is justified. Republicans have unambiguously gained ground in the Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Nevada Senate races — and those are important contests! The steady improvement in political fortunes that Democrats experienced in the summer is over.
Got to love Democrats' odds of controlling the Senate declining from over 65% to 30% in a month. Mashaa Allah! I pray it keeps up so they are defeated both in the house and in the senate. Even a deadlock even split would be a defeat for the Dems. I pray to The One, the most merciful, the eternally merciful for Dem prospects to be worse than polls say just like in 2020. It would be glorious.
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But the Republican position hasn’t really improved in Arizona’s Senate race, and Herschel Walker has probably lost ground in Georgia. In Ohio and North Carolina, momentum is murky, and any poll movement is hard to distinguish from statistical noise. The generic ballot and President Biden’s approval rating have also not shifted very much. The outlook in the House continues to favor Republicans but hasn’t changed much in either direction.
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Both parties suck in their own ways but the Democrats are against the way of American living. They gotta go. In order for this country to move forward the Democratic Party needs to be retired and go the way of the Whigs.
Post by: Nintex on October 14, 2022, 01:06:19 PM
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this gets at two potential ways in which political betting markets sometimes aren’t that smart.
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The other weakness in these prediction markets is that the traders don’t have a lot of technical sophistication about election forecasting. That’s not to say they aren’t sophisticated in general.
:snob
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Why? Well, voters aren’t paying all that much attention. Yes, you’re paying attention because you’re a FiveThirtyEight reader. But the general public pays much less attention to midterms than to presidential elections. Take a look, for example, at Google searches for the word “polls”:The technical sophistication of Google Trends :dead
It's pretty impressive how Trump made all these races so competitive with his clown car candidates.
A guy with a stroke running against "Generic Republican"? 40/60
A guy with a stroke running against Dr. Oz? 50/50
He knows how to make it interesting. Some of these candidates aren't even liked by Trump supporters so you have to wonder who the hell are voting for people like JD Vance.
It's also quite remarkable how all candidates manage to stay in the race? Forced abortions? Cheating? Having a stroke? Campaign killers in the old days. That was it for miss or mister politician, bye bye.
Post-Trump 2016 you can just continue to run as a zombie candidate.
Post by: james on October 14, 2022, 01:18:35 PM
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2022, 04:17:58 PM
Aw yisss Nate the poll Clown is here againQuotethis gets at two potential ways in which political betting markets sometimes aren’t that smart.QuoteThe other weakness in these prediction markets is that the traders don’t have a lot of technical sophistication about election forecasting. That’s not to say they aren’t sophisticated in general.
:snobQuoteWhy? Well, voters aren’t paying all that much attention. Yes, you’re paying attention because you’re a FiveThirtyEight reader. But the general public pays much less attention to midterms than to presidential elections. Take a look, for example, at Google searches for the word “polls”:The technical sophistication of Google Trends :dead
It's pretty impressive how Trump made all these races so competitive with his clown car candidates.
A guy with a stroke running against "Generic Republican"? 40/60
A guy with a stroke running against Dr. Oz? 50/50
He knows how to make it interesting. Some of these candidates aren't even liked by Trump supporters so you have to wonder who the hell are voting for people like JD Vance.
It's also quite remarkable how all candidates manage to stay in the race? Forced abortions? Cheating? Having a stroke? Campaign killers in the old days. That was it for miss or mister politician, bye bye.
Post-Trump 2016 you can just continue to run as a zombie candidate.
:trumps
Imagine if Democrats still lose midterms to this League of Villains ensemble. lmfao
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2022, 09:46:49 PM
twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1580516384663957504Tulsi, girlfriend, you literally went to Iraq for a conflict the Democratic Party supported. You ran for Congress in the middle of Obama's unauthorized intervention in Libya.
Post by: Nintex on October 15, 2022, 08:20:26 AM
Post by: Occam on October 15, 2022, 01:39:57 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 15, 2022, 02:14:16 PM
You bet the Republican party would love to simply nominate inanimate objects instead of human candidates, their voters certainly wouldn't mind. They'd vote for a rock with an R on it.Both parties would actually love that.
In all these campaigns the candidate is usually the biggest risk.
They have all the ads and policies prepared months or years in advance for literally anyone to put their face on it.
Post by: benjipwns on October 15, 2022, 08:36:58 PM
:biden
Post by: Nintex on October 16, 2022, 01:17:19 PM
:biden
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:trumps
Post by: Occam on October 16, 2022, 02:02:23 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 16, 2022, 06:25:28 PM
https://twitter.com/cguld/status/1581249508452667392 (https://twitter.com/cguld/status/1581249508452667392)
Literally the Penguin :batman
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2022, 06:41:24 PM
Post by: Tasty on October 17, 2022, 09:53:23 AM
No other group gets this kind of social power for such a small minority. There truly is a gay agenda. I supported gay people my entire life. I capable of saying I was wrong about them.
Himu, your posts weigh on my heart. I think you're seriously confused, but if not, then I was wrong all these years about you. I hope like in most things, this is just a phase for you, and I'll see you on the other side of it.
Post by: Nintex on October 17, 2022, 06:19:22 PM
a battle of minds :brain
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1582044922253017089 (https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1582044922253017089)
:trumps
Post by: Nintex on October 18, 2022, 02:31:25 PM
Herschel is better at this shit than anyone expected, I think he's going to make it :doge
Post by: Occam on October 18, 2022, 04:57:39 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2022, 09:41:16 PM
If the Republicans take the House/Senate it's going to be bye-bye Ukraine. That's going to be some funny shit, too.
Nah. The money being sent to Ukraine is basically an unlimited rounding error from the defense budget and continuing resolutions. Given that republicans won't be cutting defense spending (lol) the money will keep on pumping. Will we get straight up 20-40b packages specifically for Ukraine? Probably not. But the budget money will still be there.
Post by: Himu on October 18, 2022, 11:51:18 PM
No other group gets this kind of social power for such a small minority. There truly is a gay agenda. I supported gay people my entire life. I capable of saying I was wrong about them.
Himu, your posts weigh on my heart. I think you're seriously confused, but if not, then I was wrong all these years about you. I hope like in most things, this is just a phase for you, and I'll see you on the other side of it.
I should correct myself. Gay people I wasn't wrong about. But the movement and the politics of that movement are increasingly something I find hard to accept. I know many LGBT people that similarly don't like the politics of the movement.
I don't mind other people's sexuality, relationships, or life choice. Have I treated you differently, personally, at all? Why would I hate what Allah made you? It's the T that's the main issue.
Post by: Occam on October 19, 2022, 12:11:02 AM
"Lawyers for the data scientists said internet experts routinely tell the government about online security threats, but that Mr. Durham’s tactics would discourage people from speaking up in the future.
In the Danchenko matter, an F.B.I. agent who was Mr. Danchenko’s handler testified that his network of contacts had offered unique insights into malign Russian influence operations the bureau had been unaware of. The agent, Kevin Helson, said the F.B.I. had established a squad based on Mr. Danchenko’s reporting.
Mr. Helson added that other agents still ask him to relay questions to Mr. Danchenko, but he could no longer follow up with him.
“Because the special counsel indicted him?” Mr. Sears asked.
“Yes,” Mr. Helson replied."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/18/us/politics/igor-danchenko-russia-acquittal-trump.html
Post by: Occam on October 19, 2022, 12:25:07 AM
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2022, 02:21:56 PM
Russiagate from every angle can be best summed up as a dog chasing its own tail.
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 19, 2022, 04:59:10 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on October 19, 2022, 05:31:01 PM
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[Kaufman] appeared to be looking at a cell phone in one hand,” the police report said. “I immediately became alarmed as I saw [Kaufman] had his pants down mid-thigh and was exposed showing his fully erect nude penis.
Damn he was fully committed.
Post by: Nintex on October 19, 2022, 06:01:08 PM
:mynicca
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2022, 07:07:03 PM
Post by: Transhuman on October 19, 2022, 07:13:30 PM
Post by: Potato on October 19, 2022, 10:08:10 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ffcncp3X0AEN-du?format=jpg)Of course his fucking name is Randy
:mynicca
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also, if your reaction to stress is to masturbate in public, then maybe politics isn't the right career for you
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Post by: Tasty on October 19, 2022, 10:45:02 PM
The next questions should have been: What kind of interracial porn? What's the video name? Got a link?
Ok Mac
Post by: Occam on October 19, 2022, 11:08:37 PM
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2022, 11:19:03 PM
Wanna bet the MAGAts will vote for him anyway?It's just the governing board for the community colleges in Maricopa County, the other two elections for it this year were cancelled because no opposing candidate filed and the people will win by default, they all can probably masturbate during the maybe two meetings a year they hold to rubber stamp everything.
Post by: Nintex on October 20, 2022, 04:33:48 PM
Strangely enough the Republicans are increasing their polling leads with all the latest scandals.
Post by: Maiden Voyage on October 21, 2022, 09:02:20 AM
Post by: Nintex on October 21, 2022, 02:04:58 PM
:pika
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1583513526659751936 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1583513526659751936)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2022, 05:55:58 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 22, 2022, 01:45:42 PM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1583465977253048320 (https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1583465977253048320)
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2022, 03:51:09 PM
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook/2022/10/21/bidens-worst-performing-message-00062973
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"It’s an article of faith among Democrats that their party is deeply hampered by its inability or unwillingness to tout its own accomplishments.
But what if that conventional wisdom wasn’t just wrong but terribly, harmfully so?
That’s the warning being issued by one of the party’s most seasoned pollsters, STAN GREENBERG. In memos, private communications and interviews, Greenberg has been imploring the party to — let’s put this bluntly — shut the hell up about all the work it’s done. It’s not that voters don’t care. He says voters actively turn against Democrats when they hear it.
“It’s our worst performing message,” Greenberg told West Wing Playbook. “I’ve tested it. I did Biden’s exact words, his exact speech. And that’s the test where we lost all of our leads… It said to the voters that this election is about my accomplishments as a leader and not about the challenges you’re experiencing.”
YES YES YES YES!!!!!! Voting Republican ASAP!
Nintex peep these r/moderatepolitics posts:
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I posted this on another thread, but: what even is the Democrats' selling point for this cycle? Below are the only arguments I've heard:
- **"Jan 6! Jan 6! Jan 6! Jan 6! Jan 6! Jan 6! Jan 6! Jan 6! Jan 6!"** *Even if this is an important thing to investigate, maybe don't make it the centerpiece of your campaign. People don't care about a riot that happened literally two years ago if they can't afford their mortgage and are losing their entire paychecks in gas and groceries.*
- **"The GOP would be even worse!"** *Never in human history has a ruling political party held on to power by saying, hey maybe our policies suck but the opposition is even worse, so please come out in force and vote for us. You need to give people a reason to vote for you, not just begging them to vote against the other guy.*
- **"Dr Oz said crudite instead of veggie tray, lmffffaoooo"**
- **"The GOP wants to literally kill women by taking away access to medically necessary abortions! We just want women to be safe!"** *Which would be a good argument if state level Democrats weren't simultaneously passing laws to allow elective abortions up to the point of birth, which most voters see and are repelled by.*
- **"Republicans want to take away your child's right to read about sex positions illustrated in library books!"**
*Do you guys really want to go down this road of jumping into the public school culture wars and creating the perception that you're going against parents? Does the 2021 Virginia governor's election mean anything to you?*
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Democrats usually take the wrong message from losing to the Republicans, and those who take the right message get shouted down by the "progressive" base.
When you see these awful Republican candidates beat reasonable Democrats, the message you should take away is that the Democratic brand has become so toxic that the people have resorted to electing terrible Republicans to send that message. But instead, increasingly the message they're taking away is that half of the country is racist, misogynistic, homophobic, and brainwashed by Fox News and incapable of independent thought, so they're not worth even trying to appeal to.
We saw this after Trump's election in 2016, when the narrative in the Democratic Party shifted from: *we need to hear the unheard people and not take their votes for granted like Clinton did* to: *all Trump voters are racists who just want to own the liberals and we need to resist them and call them out and deprogram them with NPR and spoken word poetry.*
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2022, 04:19:17 PM
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GOP wave threatens blue-state strongholds
Democrats are increasingly worried that Republicans will make gains in deep-blue strongholds such as New York and Oregon as the winds appear to shift in the GOP’s favor ahead of next month’s midterm elections.
The GOP is making competitive bids to take back governorships in both states, which reliably go for Democrats in presidential elections. The Republican gains could also extend to the House, where the GOP is making inroads in the aforementioned states, along with Rhode Island and others.
“I would say Oregon Democrats are worried. We have a history of competitive gubernatorial elections, but usually we’re up by at least 2 points at this point in October, not down by 2 like the current public polls show,” said Oregon-based Democratic strategist Jake Foster.
“And you know, frankly, we’re not used to hearing our state mentioned in the same breath as Arizona or Nevada,” Foster added, noting two other closely watched gubernatorial races.
Oregon has not elected a Republican governor since 1982, nor has it gone for the GOP presidential nominee since 1984. In 2020 alone, President Biden won the state by 16 points.
But Republican Christine Drazan could be poised this year to win the Oregon gubernatorial race over Democrat Tina Kotek given a confluence of factors. Current Gov. Kate Brown (D) is the most unpopular governor in the country, per data from Morning Consult. Adding to that are issues like crime and homelessness, which are seen as top of mind for voters. Finally, but just as significantly, third-party candidate Betsy Johnson, a Democrat-turned-independent, could complicate things further by siphoning off votes from her former party.
An Emerson College Polling survey released earlier this month showed Drazan leading Kotek 36 percent to 34 percent, within the margin of error and effectively tying the two. Kotek’s campaign blamed Johnson for being a disruptor in the race and taking away crucial votes.
“One of the main reasons Tina decided to run for Governor is because Kate Brown was absent on two of Oregon’s biggest problems: homelessness and addiction. Tina has an urgent plan of action to make real change in all of these areas: reducing homelessness, making housing more affordable, and fixing our broken mental health and addiction treatment systems,” Kotek spokesperson Katie Wertheimer said in a statement.
“She will lead where Kate Brown couldn’t or wouldn’t. Christine Drazan has a failing record on these issues, and we don’t need to take our state to the far right-wing to fix these problems.”
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Post by: Himu on October 22, 2022, 04:27:52 PM
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"The New York Times’ Nick Corasaniti brings us the startling statistic that Democratic candidates for secretary of state and their allies have outspent the Republican side on TV by a 57 to 1 margin since July, and most of the GOP spending is limited to one race.
. . . Despite this massive edge, though, most polls show Democratic contenders locked in tight races, or even trailing, in competitive states against a raft of election deniers.”
https://dailykos.com/stories/2022/10/21/2128974/-Daily-Kos-Elections-Live-Digest-10-21#update-1666377571000
:sabu
I hope more trends exist besides Dems being party in power. I hope it continues and it's a complete rejection of their "culture".
Post by: Uncle on October 22, 2022, 04:35:04 PM
Quote- **"The GOP wants to literally kill women by taking away access to medically necessary abortions! We just want women to be safe!"** *Which would be a good argument if state level Democrats weren't simultaneously passing laws to allow elective abortions up to the point of birth, which most voters see and are repelled by.*
I'm in favor of safe access to life-saving abortions, even fully elective ones (if you don't want one don't get one), but I have noticed this too
from what I gather almost all of progressive europe is MORE restrictive than most of america was under Roe v Wade? in terms of cutoff dates
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2022, 04:39:00 PM
from what I gather almost all of progressive europe is MORE restrictive than most of america was under Roe v Wade? in terms of cutoff dates
Yes.
Also Dobbs has mostly been forgotten because most people realized they could still get abortions. Oopsies.
Democrats abandoned the line of thinking of "legal, safe, and rare" and are abortion absolutists now. Filthy Communist loving fucks.
Post by: jorma on October 22, 2022, 05:02:57 PM
Quote- **"The GOP wants to literally kill women by taking away access to medically necessary abortions! We just want women to be safe!"** *Which would be a good argument if state level Democrats weren't simultaneously passing laws to allow elective abortions up to the point of birth, which most voters see and are repelled by.*
I'm in favor of safe access to life-saving abortions, even fully elective ones (if you don't want one don't get one), but I have noticed this too
from what I gather almost all of progressive europe is MORE restrictive than most of america was under Roe v Wade? in terms of cutoff dates
somewhat ironically the challenge to the mississippi law restricting abortion to 15 weeks that ultimately got roe vs wade overturned would be considered above average in the european countries that consider themselves to have free elective abortions (first trimester is the norm here i think)
Post by: Himu on October 22, 2022, 05:04:49 PM
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Most states respect the constitutional right to carry guns in public for self-defense, which the Supreme Court upheld last June. But some states are only pretending to comply with the Second Amendment, as illustrated by the law that New York passed after that decision and a similar bill that legislative leaders in New Jersey introduced last week.
In an October 6 ruling, U.S. District Judge Glenn T. Suddaby rejected New York's attempt to defy the Constitution and the Supreme Court. Although New York eliminated a demand that carry permit applicants show "proper cause," which the Court said gave licensing officials too much discretion, the state retained and elaborated on a requirement that applicants demonstrate "good moral character."
That amorphous standard, Suddaby noted, is based on "undefined assessments" of "temperament," "judgment," and trustworthiness. New York "has replaced its requirement that an applicant show a special need for self-protection with its requirement that the applicant rebut the presumption that he or she is a danger," he wrote, "while retaining (and even expanding) the open-ended discretion afforded to its licensing officers."
Under New York's law, the assessment of "good moral character" includes an examination of the applicant's online comments. As the gun owners who are challenging the law see it, that inquiry violates the right to freedom of speech as well as the right to bear arms, making the latter contingent on how applicants have exercised the former.
Dems: Republicans are a threat to our Democracy!
Supreme Court rules on giving Americans their rights
Also Dems: Nahhhhh I don't think so.
Democracy for me, not for thee. A party ran by rich cunts and hypocrites.
Quote- **"The GOP wants to literally kill women by taking away access to medically necessary abortions! We just want women to be safe!"** *Which would be a good argument if state level Democrats weren't simultaneously passing laws to allow elective abortions up to the point of birth, which most voters see and are repelled by.*
I'm in favor of safe access to life-saving abortions, even fully elective ones (if you don't want one don't get one), but I have noticed this too
from what I gather almost all of progressive europe is MORE restrictive than most of america was under Roe v Wade? in terms of cutoff dates
somewhat ironically the challenge to the mississippi law restricting abortion to 15 weeks that ultimately got roe vs wade overturned would be considered above average in the european countries that consider themselves to have free elective abortions (first trimester is the norm here i think)
I've mentioned this before and always bristle my eyebrows when I see Euros saying Americans hate women when we have fairly liberal abortions laws here. It's the judgement without recognizing their own laws which makes me boil and start to dismiss "foreign" opinions about my country. It's just hating on America disguised as activism.
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2022, 01:24:35 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El2ve0eXYAEnVLp.jpg)
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2022, 01:28:07 AM
Post by: Uncle on October 23, 2022, 01:35:17 AM
https://twitter.com/NewYorkStateAG/status/1582429523403935747
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El2ve0eXYAEnVLp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8tvyNnA.png)
:comeon
https://twitter.com/GingersnapMrs/status/1583230843740307456
:comeon :comeon
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2022, 01:37:23 AM
I need to do anything I can to make sure NY Dems lose something.
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2022, 08:43:16 AM
https://twitter.com/dannydeurbina/status/1582943310871949312
https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1582920666424442880
https://twitter.com/dannydeurbina/status/1582948837714382848
Post by: Nintex on October 23, 2022, 09:34:40 AM
https://twitter.com/RSBNetwork/status/1583957557768777728 (https://twitter.com/RSBNetwork/status/1583957557768777728)
Trump doing a fly by with his refurbished plane. The crowd loves it.
Trump saying he's probably going to run again in 2024 makes the crowd go nuts.
But when he says they first need to win for the Republican party this november the crowd isn't very excited.
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1583996536551510016 (https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1583996536551510016)
Post by: Nintex on October 23, 2022, 02:43:54 PM
https://twitter.com/SKMorefield/status/1584205358410919936 (https://twitter.com/SKMorefield/status/1584205358410919936)
Post by: Uncle on October 23, 2022, 03:40:11 PM
Republicans worried about education, Democrats worried about crime and border control. They all agree on everything.
https://twitter.com/JNwk14/status/1584232570878758914
Post by: Uncle on October 23, 2022, 03:52:13 PM
Quote
Both Left and Right Are Converging on Authoritarianism
The problem with American politics isn't polarization—it's rising illiberalism.
Quote
According to American National Election Studies data, the share of Americans who self-identify as moderates or say they don't know what they are has fallen from 55 percent in 1972 to 39 percent in 2020. In that sense, people really have been moving toward the poles. But if partisan consolidation is the story of the last few decades, the story of the last few years is one of fracturing. More people are calling themselves conservatives, for example, but their preferences and priorities are not necessarily shared.
The future of the parties is now a matter of live debate. But in both cases, the elements that seem to have the most energy behind them have something important in common: a desire to move their side, and the country as a whole, in an illiberal direction.
On the left, a new crop of socialists hope to overthrow the liberal economic order, while the rise of intersectional identity politics has supplanted longstanding commitments to civil liberties. On the right, support for free markets and free trade are more and more often derided as relics of a bygone century, while quasi-theocratic ideas are gathering support.
What has not changed—what may even be getting worse—is the problem of affective polarization. Various studies have found that Americans today have significantly more negative feelings toward members of the other party than they did in decades past.
But partisan animosity suits the authoritarian elements on the left and right just fine. Their goal is power, and they have little patience for procedural niceties that interfere with its exercise. As history teaches, a base whipped up into fear and fury is ready to accept almost anything to ensure its own survival. Perhaps even the destruction of the institutions and ideals that make America distinctively itself.
Quote
Two Sides Turn on the First Amendment
According to the old American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) mythos, one of the group's finest hours came in 1977 when it successfully defended the First Amendment right of neo-Nazis to demonstrate in Skokie, Illinois. Some 30,000 people reportedly canceled their ACLU memberships to protest the decision, but the group stood by it on the high grounds that speech protections, to mean anything, must extend even to the least popular in society.
That commitment carried the group all the way to Charlottesville, Virginia, four decades later. But in the aftermath of the infamous Unite the Right rally in 2017, ACLU leadership appeared to break. The following June, The Wall Street Journal published a leaked document that had been drafted to help state chapters decide which cases to take a pass on. While insisting the civil liberties organization would "continue our longstanding practice of representing" even repugnant speakers "in appropriate circumstances," the guidelines created an impression that circumstances were highly unlikely to be deemed appropriate when it came to the likes of white supremacists.
As former board member Wendy Kaminer explained in a commentary for the Journal, "The speech-case guidelines reflect a demotion of free speech in the ACLU's hierarchy of values." It's a demotion that is evident across the progressive movement, where "systemic equality," "racial justice," and other manifestations of identity politics that include an ever-more-militant LGBT agenda have sidelined practically all concern for the speech rights of those seen as on the wrong side politically.
"The quest to suppress objectionable reading material in America" was once mostly confined to the right, author Kat Rosenfield argued in a March essay. "But as progressives became increasingly focused on diversity, equity, and inclusion in the arts—and on the potential harm wrought by books that didn't do enough to champion the proper values—they started issuing challenges of their own. By 2020, the [American Library Association's] list included almost as many complaints about racist language, white savior narratives, or alleged sexual misconduct by an author as it did ones about bad language or LGBT themes."
Not that conservatives have abandoned censorship. Cry as they might when their own speech faces adverse consequences, they have few qualms about punishing expression that runs up against right-wing pieties.
Quote
The Rhetoric of Radicalization
In January, The Atlantic published a long article by an Irish writer who had lived through the ethno-nationalist conflict known as the "troubles." Describing a perception of civil war just around the corner, he writes: "Once that idea takes hold, it has a force of its own. The demagogues warn that the other side is mobilizing. They are coming for us. Not only do we have to defend ourselves, but we have to deny them the advantage of making the first move. The logic of the preemptive strike sets in: Do it to them before they do it to you. The other side, of course, is thinking the same thing."
An analogous logic is on display in America today. It is mostly rhetorical so far. But it is happening at both ends of the ideological spectrum.
The tropes come in escalating stages. One is that the other side is irredeemably evil and out to destroy all that is good. A second is that our side is weak and overly beholden to procedural niceties, whereas our opponents are shameless about breaking the rules in their pursuit of power. The third, following from the other two, is that whatever it takes to win is justified; any institution standing in the way can be demolished; and doing any less amounts to cowardice and surrender.
The left insists that conservatives are engaged in an "eliminationist" and "genocidal" struggle against marginalized communities such as trans people, women, and the working class. "Conservatives are animated by a vision of 1950s-style white Christian patriarchal dominance," a Georgetown visiting professor wrote in The Guardian recently. "It is the only order they will accept for America." The Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade is "the culmination of a decades-long conservative assault on the constitutional foundations of our modern civil rights regime," tweeted Slate legal reporter Mark Joseph Stern. It's not just that "abortion bans are class warfare" (per the DSA) but also that "austerity is violence" (per Chapo Trap House). The very idea of reducing government spending now has existential stakes.
The right has its own purveyors of dire warnings about what progressives are up to—which supposedly includes grooming children for sexual assault, using immigration to replace native-born Americans with a Democrat-voting electorate, and eradicating traditional Christian beliefs and practice from the public square. Nothing less than conservatives' survival is on the line, they say. In 2020, Vermeule tweeted that the attendees of an anti-Trump conference would not be spared the gulag when the extremist left takes over; four years earlier, an essay in the Claremont Review of Books implored readers to elect Trump with the memorable words, "2016 is the Flight 93 election: charge the cockpit or you die."
Observe the equal-opportunity demonization and the industrial-scale hyperbole about the threat posed by the other side (stage one). Likewise, left and right seem equally convinced that passive co-partisans are undermining the cause (stage two). "Tea and crumpets fussiness and chickenshit unwillingness to wield power is going to end democracy," tweeted the progressive journalist Ryan Cooper last year, in a pitch-perfect instance of the genre.
Finally, each side frequently declares that desperate measures are now required (stage three). And why wouldn't they be, if the other guys really are as bad as all that?
On the left, this most often takes the form of proposals to radically reform governing institutions seen as impediments to enacting policy. Since 2020, the progressive media have issued calls to pack the Supreme Court, strip states of control over elections, abolish the U.S. Senate (or at least the filibuster), eliminate the Electoral College, and generally engage in what one Jacobin article called "an extremely necessary assault on the undemocratic power of the judiciary." All told, such a program would dramatically weaken America's system of checks and balances, making it easier for a slim majority to impose its will on the rest of the country.
Short of restructuring the entire system, there's always executive action, such as Biden's efforts on behalf of the environmental lobby to hamstring energy producers. The administrative state can also be deputized to prosecute the culture war, as when the Justice Department decided last year to treat parents expressing concern at school board meetings as potential domestic terrorists, or when the Department of Education was tasked with ensuring K-12 schools give students access to locker rooms matching their gender identities. And if all else fails to make the left's policy preferences a reality, the implication goes, there's always violent uprising.
On the right, radical ideas are similarly in vogue. Vance's desire to punish left-wing corporations is just the beginning. Vermeule has promoted an alternative to "originalist" jurisprudence that would empower (presumably friendly) judges to read "substantive moral principles…into the majestic generalities and ambiguities of the written Constitution." Adherence to rule of law seems, at best, like an afterthought. "Among some of my circle," one right-wing podcaster told a Vanity Fair reporter last year, "the phrase 'extra-constitutional' has come up quite a bit." In March, Curtis Yarvin, a wildly popular blogger on the "neoreactionary" right, published a long essay arguing that the "only possible cure for 'wokeness' is a change in the structural form of government." His suggested replacement: dictatorship.
More concretely, the GOP has been working since 2020 to make state voting laws more restrictive and to elect or appoint Trump loyalists to key positions at the state and local levels. The goal, it appears, is to prevent a situation in 2024 like the one in which officials in places like Georgia and Arizona willingly certified a Republican loss that members of the party base consider dubious. It's no exaggeration to say that the expectation for a peaceful transition of power is in doubt in America today.
The point is not that either side is wholly unjustified in its motivating grievances. The left really has trained its guns on traditionalist Christians, for example, as the volley of ACLU lawsuits against religious hospitals makes clear. Social media platforms did, as if in lockstep, block a damning news story about Hunter Biden from being shared in 2020, thus choosing sides in the midst of a contested presidential race. And the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania did step in to unilaterally decree that absentee ballots arriving after Election Day should continue to be processed, piquing conservative suspicion about procedural irregularities surrounding the contest.
Meanwhile, the right really does seem woefully indifferent to, for instance, the lingering effects on black communities of three centuries of legally sanctioned oppression. Trump did begin priming his base to reject the outcome of the last election months before votes were even cast, to say nothing of his encouragement of the January 6 riot. And Senate Republicans did pivot shamelessly from refusing to hold confirmation hearings for Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland to rushing through approval of Amy Coney Barrett, leading many progressives to wonder why they should feel constrained by the norms of congressional process where their opponents manifestly are not.
But each side is using some legitimate complaints to build a permission structure for seizing power by any means necessary and raining down destruction on its foes. One result is a sort of bipartisan apocalypticism: A recent Yahoo News poll found that more than half of each major party believes it's likely that America will "cease to be a democracy in the future." Under these circumstances, extreme medicine can start to seem like the only logical response.
The other side is mobilizing. They're coming for us. Do it to them before they do it to you.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2022, 05:01:57 PM
:dead
Post by: Uncle on October 23, 2022, 06:02:04 PM
"White savior narratives" truly jumped the shark last year when the charge was hurled at....Dune.
:dead
thing is, you can always see a grain of truth in that, right? frank herbert explicitly modeled the fremen after arabic/islamic people, and here comes a white kid as the chosen one
but like...chill the fuck out
there are products obviously designed to oppress, and there are products designed to entertain with minor potentially problematic influences that you can safely ignore
you cannot purge any work of all potentially wrong lessons
animal crossing, mario, zelda, the last of us, tomb raider all have white savior narratives :mario
Post by: Transhuman on October 23, 2022, 06:14:58 PM
Post by: Polident Hive on October 23, 2022, 07:17:09 PM
Sometimes think of dickheads who whine about Indiana Jones putting artifacts in a museum. Yeah dude totally. Need Indy to sit the Nazi down and tell them to Do Better about colonialism.
Post by: BrokenVerses on October 23, 2022, 10:17:18 PM
Republicans worried about education, Democrats worried about crime and border control. They all agree on everything.
https://twitter.com/JNwk14/status/1584232570878758914
Nah, Chesa Boudin going down in flames in a liberal bastion totally isn't a sign that maybe certain progressive policies (perceived or real) on crime aren't going over well with voters.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2022, 10:31:17 PM
If all you consume is your twitter feed or whatever tumblr you enjoy, your writing is going to be overly influenced by that. This is why so much dialogue in media (especially television, but also film) is trash. The ironic thing about all of this is that 30 years ago, Rush Limbaugh and others were crying about leftist art; they didn't call it "woke" because they hadn't stolen that phrase from black people yet. Today much of the right wing media nexus will have you believe films/tv weren't political back in those glory days. In reality they were arguably more political but the writing was better. Because the writers...read. They found inspiration in prose, found their own voice, and then found a way to say something beyond throwing some words in a blender (privilege, white supremacy, etc) and calling it a day.
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2022, 10:53:29 PM
The genesis for all of this is that we're stacking generations of people who do not read. At one point you could have said we had a generation of people who only read Harry Potter, or Hunger Games, or Twilight. At this point we're worse off and they haven't even read those. Instead we have people who skim wikipedia, or watch the film adaption, or skip the spark notes, or just read the end of a book. And if they do manage to read something they're judging it entirely from a modern perspective. You see this a lot from people who watch films and TV to figure out what the "woke" parts are, which they then complain about. Literature wise you've got people reading Huck Finn and claiming the novel in of itself is racist, Huck is a white savior, Jim isn't a realistic (black) character etc. It's nauseating. But again, this is the product of people not reading.You want me to spend all the time to read something when I might find something that makes me uncomfortable or that I don't enjoy or that might raise moral/ethical questions in the book? :jeanluc
This sounds a lot like BOTH SIDES rhetoric to me, which is exactly what the Nazis want, don't act like you don't know exactly what you're doing, let's dispel with the fiction that Nazis don't know what they're doing, Nazis know exactly what they're doing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq36N48gCf8). Rather than put an end to Nazis the only way we know how, with the full weight and power of everyone conscripted and unified to deploy state force, you want us to expose ourselves to gateways to Nazi rhetoric. Well, I refuse. I will do what's right, defeat Nazis by giving out likes, rather than do what you want, read harmful books.
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2022, 11:54:18 PM
twitter.com/NewYorkStateAG/status/1582429523403935747https://twitter.com/jkosseff/status/1584322921161719808
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El2ve0eXYAEnVLp.jpg)
https://twitter.com/jkosseff/status/1584324311447261185
this is fine
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2022, 12:26:20 AM
wat
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2022, 01:19:59 AM
https://reason.com/2022/09/13/the-authoritarian-convergence/QuoteBoth Left and Right Are Converging on Authoritarianism
The problem with American politics isn't polarization—it's rising illiberalism.QuoteAccording to American National Election Studies data, the share of Americans who self-identify as moderates or say they don't know what they are has fallen from 55 percent in 1972 to 39 percent in 2020. In that sense, people really have been moving toward the poles. But if partisan consolidation is the story of the last few decades, the story of the last few years is one of fracturing. More people are calling themselves conservatives, for example, but their preferences and priorities are not necessarily shared.
The future of the parties is now a matter of live debate. But in both cases, the elements that seem to have the most energy behind them have something important in common: a desire to move their side, and the country as a whole, in an illiberal direction.
On the left, a new crop of socialists hope to overthrow the liberal economic order, while the rise of intersectional identity politics has supplanted longstanding commitments to civil liberties. On the right, support for free markets and free trade are more and more often derided as relics of a bygone century, while quasi-theocratic ideas are gathering support.
What has not changed—what may even be getting worse—is the problem of affective polarization. Various studies have found that Americans today have significantly more negative feelings toward members of the other party than they did in decades past.
But partisan animosity suits the authoritarian elements on the left and right just fine. Their goal is power, and they have little patience for procedural niceties that interfere with its exercise. As history teaches, a base whipped up into fear and fury is ready to accept almost anything to ensure its own survival. Perhaps even the destruction of the institutions and ideals that make America distinctively itself.QuoteTwo Sides Turn on the First Amendment
According to the old American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) mythos, one of the group's finest hours came in 1977 when it successfully defended the First Amendment right of neo-Nazis to demonstrate in Skokie, Illinois. Some 30,000 people reportedly canceled their ACLU memberships to protest the decision, but the group stood by it on the high grounds that speech protections, to mean anything, must extend even to the least popular in society.
That commitment carried the group all the way to Charlottesville, Virginia, four decades later. But in the aftermath of the infamous Unite the Right rally in 2017, ACLU leadership appeared to break. The following June, The Wall Street Journal published a leaked document that had been drafted to help state chapters decide which cases to take a pass on. While insisting the civil liberties organization would "continue our longstanding practice of representing" even repugnant speakers "in appropriate circumstances," the guidelines created an impression that circumstances were highly unlikely to be deemed appropriate when it came to the likes of white supremacists.
As former board member Wendy Kaminer explained in a commentary for the Journal, "The speech-case guidelines reflect a demotion of free speech in the ACLU's hierarchy of values." It's a demotion that is evident across the progressive movement, where "systemic equality," "racial justice," and other manifestations of identity politics that include an ever-more-militant LGBT agenda have sidelined practically all concern for the speech rights of those seen as on the wrong side politically.
"The quest to suppress objectionable reading material in America" was once mostly confined to the right, author Kat Rosenfield argued in a March essay. "But as progressives became increasingly focused on diversity, equity, and inclusion in the arts—and on the potential harm wrought by books that didn't do enough to champion the proper values—they started issuing challenges of their own. By 2020, the [American Library Association's] list included almost as many complaints about racist language, white savior narratives, or alleged sexual misconduct by an author as it did ones about bad language or LGBT themes."
Not that conservatives have abandoned censorship. Cry as they might when their own speech faces adverse consequences, they have few qualms about punishing expression that runs up against right-wing pieties.QuoteThe Rhetoric of Radicalization
In January, The Atlantic published a long article by an Irish writer who had lived through the ethno-nationalist conflict known as the "troubles." Describing a perception of civil war just around the corner, he writes: "Once that idea takes hold, it has a force of its own. The demagogues warn that the other side is mobilizing. They are coming for us. Not only do we have to defend ourselves, but we have to deny them the advantage of making the first move. The logic of the preemptive strike sets in: Do it to them before they do it to you. The other side, of course, is thinking the same thing."
An analogous logic is on display in America today. It is mostly rhetorical so far. But it is happening at both ends of the ideological spectrum.
The tropes come in escalating stages. One is that the other side is irredeemably evil and out to destroy all that is good. A second is that our side is weak and overly beholden to procedural niceties, whereas our opponents are shameless about breaking the rules in their pursuit of power. The third, following from the other two, is that whatever it takes to win is justified; any institution standing in the way can be demolished; and doing any less amounts to cowardice and surrender.
The left insists that conservatives are engaged in an "eliminationist" and "genocidal" struggle against marginalized communities such as trans people, women, and the working class. "Conservatives are animated by a vision of 1950s-style white Christian patriarchal dominance," a Georgetown visiting professor wrote in The Guardian recently. "It is the only order they will accept for America." The Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade is "the culmination of a decades-long conservative assault on the constitutional foundations of our modern civil rights regime," tweeted Slate legal reporter Mark Joseph Stern. It's not just that "abortion bans are class warfare" (per the DSA) but also that "austerity is violence" (per Chapo Trap House). The very idea of reducing government spending now has existential stakes.
The right has its own purveyors of dire warnings about what progressives are up to—which supposedly includes grooming children for sexual assault, using immigration to replace native-born Americans with a Democrat-voting electorate, and eradicating traditional Christian beliefs and practice from the public square. Nothing less than conservatives' survival is on the line, they say. In 2020, Vermeule tweeted that the attendees of an anti-Trump conference would not be spared the gulag when the extremist left takes over; four years earlier, an essay in the Claremont Review of Books implored readers to elect Trump with the memorable words, "2016 is the Flight 93 election: charge the cockpit or you die."
Observe the equal-opportunity demonization and the industrial-scale hyperbole about the threat posed by the other side (stage one). Likewise, left and right seem equally convinced that passive co-partisans are undermining the cause (stage two). "Tea and crumpets fussiness and chickenshit unwillingness to wield power is going to end democracy," tweeted the progressive journalist Ryan Cooper last year, in a pitch-perfect instance of the genre.
Finally, each side frequently declares that desperate measures are now required (stage three). And why wouldn't they be, if the other guys really are as bad as all that?
On the left, this most often takes the form of proposals to radically reform governing institutions seen as impediments to enacting policy. Since 2020, the progressive media have issued calls to pack the Supreme Court, strip states of control over elections, abolish the U.S. Senate (or at least the filibuster), eliminate the Electoral College, and generally engage in what one Jacobin article called "an extremely necessary assault on the undemocratic power of the judiciary." All told, such a program would dramatically weaken America's system of checks and balances, making it easier for a slim majority to impose its will on the rest of the country.
Short of restructuring the entire system, there's always executive action, such as Biden's efforts on behalf of the environmental lobby to hamstring energy producers. The administrative state can also be deputized to prosecute the culture war, as when the Justice Department decided last year to treat parents expressing concern at school board meetings as potential domestic terrorists, or when the Department of Education was tasked with ensuring K-12 schools give students access to locker rooms matching their gender identities. And if all else fails to make the left's policy preferences a reality, the implication goes, there's always violent uprising.
On the right, radical ideas are similarly in vogue. Vance's desire to punish left-wing corporations is just the beginning. Vermeule has promoted an alternative to "originalist" jurisprudence that would empower (presumably friendly) judges to read "substantive moral principles…into the majestic generalities and ambiguities of the written Constitution." Adherence to rule of law seems, at best, like an afterthought. "Among some of my circle," one right-wing podcaster told a Vanity Fair reporter last year, "the phrase 'extra-constitutional' has come up quite a bit." In March, Curtis Yarvin, a wildly popular blogger on the "neoreactionary" right, published a long essay arguing that the "only possible cure for 'wokeness' is a change in the structural form of government." His suggested replacement: dictatorship.
More concretely, the GOP has been working since 2020 to make state voting laws more restrictive and to elect or appoint Trump loyalists to key positions at the state and local levels. The goal, it appears, is to prevent a situation in 2024 like the one in which officials in places like Georgia and Arizona willingly certified a Republican loss that members of the party base consider dubious. It's no exaggeration to say that the expectation for a peaceful transition of power is in doubt in America today.
The point is not that either side is wholly unjustified in its motivating grievances. The left really has trained its guns on traditionalist Christians, for example, as the volley of ACLU lawsuits against religious hospitals makes clear. Social media platforms did, as if in lockstep, block a damning news story about Hunter Biden from being shared in 2020, thus choosing sides in the midst of a contested presidential race. And the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania did step in to unilaterally decree that absentee ballots arriving after Election Day should continue to be processed, piquing conservative suspicion about procedural irregularities surrounding the contest.
Meanwhile, the right really does seem woefully indifferent to, for instance, the lingering effects on black communities of three centuries of legally sanctioned oppression. Trump did begin priming his base to reject the outcome of the last election months before votes were even cast, to say nothing of his encouragement of the January 6 riot. And Senate Republicans did pivot shamelessly from refusing to hold confirmation hearings for Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland to rushing through approval of Amy Coney Barrett, leading many progressives to wonder why they should feel constrained by the norms of congressional process where their opponents manifestly are not.
But each side is using some legitimate complaints to build a permission structure for seizing power by any means necessary and raining down destruction on its foes. One result is a sort of bipartisan apocalypticism: A recent Yahoo News poll found that more than half of each major party believes it's likely that America will "cease to be a democracy in the future." Under these circumstances, extreme medicine can start to seem like the only logical response.
The other side is mobilizing. They're coming for us. Do it to them before they do it to you.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
Now make a non-insane libertarian party.
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2022, 01:22:46 AM
The genesis for all of this is that we're stacking generations of people who do not read. At one point you could have said we had a generation of people who only read Harry Potter, or Hunger Games, or Twilight. At this point we're worse off and they haven't even read those. Instead we have people who skim wikipedia, or watch the film adaption, or skip the spark notes, or just read the end of a book. And if they do manage to read something they're judging it entirely from a modern perspective. You see this a lot from people who watch films and TV to figure out what the "woke" parts are, which they then complain about. Literature wise you've got people reading Huck Finn and claiming the novel in of itself is racist, Huck is a white savior, Jim isn't a realistic (black) character etc. It's nauseating. But again, this is the product of people not reading.
If all you consume is your twitter feed or whatever tumblr you enjoy, your writing is going to be overly influenced by that. This is why so much dialogue in media (especially television, but also film) is trash. The ironic thing about all of this is that 30 years ago, Rush Limbaugh and others were crying about leftist art; they didn't call it "woke" because they hadn't stolen that phrase from black people yet. Today much of the right wing media nexus will have you believe films/tv weren't political back in those glory days. In reality they were arguably more political but the writing was better. Because the writers...read. They found inspiration in prose, found their own voice, and then found a way to say something beyond throwing some words in a blender (privilege, white supremacy, etc) and calling it a day.
I salute this post, PD.
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2022, 01:32:21 AM
Now make a non-insane libertarian party.NEVER! WHAT'S NEXT? A LICENSE TO MAKE TOAST IN MY OWN DAMN TOASTER? :bolo
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2022, 05:20:27 AM
Now make a non-insane libertarian party.NEVER! WHAT'S NEXT? A LICENSE TO MAKE TOAST IN MY OWN DAMN TOASTER? :bolo
WE NEED LIBERTY, BENJI
BOTH PARTIES ARE ANTI-LIBERTY DICKS
(https://i.imgur.com/x5fu1vj.gif)
On a positive note, the Pandemic utterly made the case for Libertarianism as a political framework I never considered before. Hopefully others fell more into that camp like I did because of Covid. The best scenario for us is that Libertarianism gains a mainstream upswing even without "the party".
Post by: Potato on October 24, 2022, 06:17:33 AM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2022, 09:12:30 AM
twitter.com/NewYorkStateAG/status/1582429523403935747https://twitter.com/jkosseff/status/1584322921161719808
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El2ve0eXYAEnVLp.jpg)
https://twitter.com/jkosseff/status/1584324311447261185
this is fine
Music wise this could simply mean altering algorithms to downgrade certain subgenres of music - drill, for instance - that are directly tied to real life violence or crime. Currently a lot of that stuff is prominently featured at the top of playlists and algorithms, which drives the popularity/influence. This would be a private, non-government response but would of course require streaming apps to turn down the bags of money this music generates for them. Not to mention what if Spotify changes their algorithm but Apple doesn't.
I'm not advocating for that but it's definitely been on my mind recently.
Post by: Uncle on October 24, 2022, 09:18:28 AM
might does not make right, and we must suppress this message wherever it is found
Post by: james on October 24, 2022, 10:23:40 AM
Post by: jorma on October 24, 2022, 11:31:51 AM
We should ban all games except Miencraft, Fall Guys, Among Us, and New Pokemon Snap. Everything else is bad for society.
minecraft made by an alt right chud, fall guys literally an analogue of capitalism - only one winner the rest fall to their doom, among us be a traitor and murder everyone else, pokemon a mandingo simulator
i don't think you could have chosen a worse batch of games to represent your utopia :ufup
Post by: Nintex on October 24, 2022, 01:32:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/B5QhkPw.png):clap :trumps :clap
wat
https://twitter.com/ReutersLegal/status/1584553810852474880 (https://twitter.com/ReutersLegal/status/1584553810852474880)
:thinking
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2022, 02:09:54 PM
I expect Barnes to lose in WI, Fetterman to win in PA.
Post by: james on October 24, 2022, 03:15:57 PM
i don't think you could have chosen a worse batch of games to represent your utopia :ufup
Theyre the only games I play and I turned out great
:patel
Post by: Uncle on October 24, 2022, 03:38:27 PM
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Two alleged Chinese spies charged with trying to obstruct US Huawei investigation
The US Justice Department unsealed charges Monday against two alleged Chinese spies who are accused of interfering with a federal prosecution against a global telecommunications company based in China.
According to charging documents, the Chinese telecommunications company was facing federal prosecution in Brooklyn, New York. Though the indictment does not name the company, a person familiar with the investigation confirmed to CNN that the company is Huawei.
The two alleged spies were charged with obstructing the Justice Department’s prosecution against Huawei.
Attorney General Merrick Garland and other Justice Department officials are scheduled to make an announcement Monday afternoon related to significant national security cases. The department said in a press release that the cases relate to “malign influence schemes and alleged criminal activity by a nation-state actor in the United States.”
Gouchun He and Zheng Wang, the two alleged Chinese spies, cultivated a relationship with a law enforcement official involved in the case beginning in 2017. He and Wang believed they had recruited the official as a Chinese asset, according to charging documents, but the US official was working as a “double agent” under FBI supervision, maintaining their allegiance to the US.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2022, 03:43:36 PM
Post by: Uncle on October 24, 2022, 04:00:43 PM
James Bond shit. I was gonna say shouldn't that information be classified and not revealed, since it can blow the person's cover. But then again I'd imagine when shit hit the fan and the spies were arrested, it wouldn't be hard for China to figure out who that person was. They've likely been removed from undercover work now that the fish has been caught.
I'm sure even the act of announcing it when they announce it is all tactical, and could even be misinformation of sorts in their best interests
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2022, 06:33:24 PM
WE NEED LIBERTY, BENJILook, the Libertarian Party faces a large number of hurdles that it will never overcome for multiple reasons but fundamentally I don't think you're really going to get a bunch of radical individualists to ever do ceaseless group activities for the purpose of achieving collectivist goals. Cranks will dominate because libertarians in general are not going to be interested in pursuing political power over the long term. The other third parties have similar problems of a similar nature with radicals and cult figures because moderates are going to be drawn to the more powerful apparatus of the two actually supported parties and driven out by infighting where the most extreme can always show more commitment to the cause. What's actually remarkable about the Libertarian Party at the national level, the state parties are totally different, is that the moderates traditionally have won. Jo wasn't their first pick, but she was still a compromise candidate. The party could have reacted entirely differently to having it given itself over to Gary for two cycles. Even still, nobody wants to vote for candidates that are always going to lose. American voters want to win more than anything and the cost is too high to get people to break from that and therefore the two viable parties.
BOTH PARTIES ARE ANTI-LIBERTY DICKS
Plus, if the Libertarians ever somehow broke through what is probably a maximum ceiling during a perfect one-time election of 10-15% to where they could win it would make the existential panic that Trump created look like a calm and respectful tea party. Despite a trifecta, Trump and the GOP never even feigned an actual investigation of all the criminal shit Obama did because they didn't care nor think that violating the law is a big deal.
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2022, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2022/10/manhattan-congressional-candidate-publishes-porn-video-highlight-his-sex-positive-platform/378456/
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In a grunt for attention, third-party Congressional candidate Mike Itkis has released a sex tape to highlight his sex positive campaign platform. The 53-year-old Army cyber operations officer is bound to lose to Rep. Jerry Nadler in Manhattan’s 12th Congressional District. But he posted the 13 minute video to a popular online porn site of him having sex with porn performer Nicole Sage as “a conversation piece,” he told City & State. “If I would just talk about it, it wouldn’t demonstrate my commitment to the issue. And the fact I actually did it was a huge learning experience, and it actually influenced items on my platform.” His issues include legalizing sex work, and making sexual rights explicit – “do NOT rely on privacy or free speech rights,” his campaign site reads, where sex positivity is one of just three campaign issues, which are all thin on details. Itkis, whose bio identifies himself as “Not married. No kids. Not celibate. Atheist.” also seems to take aim at child support payments, writing that “men should not be required to support biological children without prior agreement.”
Itkis said the video “Bucket List Bonanza” in 2021 was his first time having sex on camera, and insisted he’s not an exhibitionist. “I’m very much an introvert,” the “very liberal” registered Democrat said. “I’m kind of a nerd who doesn’t like to be the center of attention if I can avoid it. But I thought the issues I’m trying to address are so important… I wanted to have my issues talked about in some way.”
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The Nadler campaign declined to comment. Itkis’ Republican opponent understood it. “You gotta do what you gotta do,” Mike Zumbluskas told City & State. “The media ignores everybody that’s not a Democrat in the city.”:american
Post by: james on October 24, 2022, 06:59:52 PM
https://twitter.com/BennyAce/status/1584610230151041025
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2022, 07:08:06 PM
Post by: BIONIC on October 24, 2022, 07:48:03 PM
i don't think you could have chosen a worse batch of games to represent your utopia :ufup
Theyre the only games I play and I turned out great
:patel
:gurl
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 24, 2022, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2022/10/manhattan-congressional-candidate-publishes-porn-video-highlight-his-sex-positive-platform/378456/(https://cdn.cityandstateny.com/media/img/cd/2022/10/14/Screen_Shot_2022_10_13_at_5_15_43_PM/860x394.png?1665765270)
In a grunt for attention, third-party Congressional candidate Mike Itkis has released a sex tape to highlight his sex positive campaign platform. The 53-year-old Army cyber operations officer is bound to lose to Rep. Jerry Nadler in Manhattan’s 12th Congressional District. But he posted the 13 minute video to a popular online porn site of him having sex with porn performer Nicole Sage as “a conversation piece,” he told City & State. “If I would just talk about it, it wouldn’t demonstrate my commitment to the issue. And the fact I actually did it was a huge learning experience, and it actually influenced items on my platform.” His issues include legalizing sex work, and making sexual rights explicit – “do NOT rely on privacy or free speech rights,” his campaign site reads, where sex positivity is one of just three campaign issues, which are all thin on details. Itkis, whose bio identifies himself as “Not married. No kids. Not celibate. Atheist.” also seems to take aim at child support payments, writing that “men should not be required to support biological children without prior agreement.”
Itkis said the video “Bucket List Bonanza” in 2021 was his first time having sex on camera, and insisted he’s not an exhibitionist. “I’m very much an introvert,” the “very liberal” registered Democrat said. “I’m kind of a nerd who doesn’t like to be the center of attention if I can avoid it. But I thought the issues I’m trying to address are so important… I wanted to have my issues talked about in some way.”QuoteThe Nadler campaign declined to comment. Itkis’ Republican opponent understood it. “You gotta do what you gotta do,” Mike Zumbluskas told City & State. “The media ignores everybody that’s not a Democrat in the city.”:american
Is this the new non-insane Libertarian Party?
Post by: james on October 24, 2022, 08:17:36 PM
https://twitter.com/MIAagainstFash/status/1426398389651001347
How its going
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1584564895605198849
Post by: Nintex on October 25, 2022, 01:17:29 PM
"Your dollars"
another day, another grift.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on October 25, 2022, 01:19:17 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 25, 2022, 01:20:54 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 25, 2022, 01:28:02 PM
https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1584949083323580421 (https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1584949083323580421)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2022, 01:31:12 PM
amen, everyone knows she was executed at gitmo ages ago :trumpsThis reminds me of arguably my favorite post-election November 2020 moment, when Q twitter was ablaze with the rumor that specials ops had invaded Germany and overrun a base where the CIA director was protecting a server that had the real election results on it. She died in a firefight, the server was retrieved, and SOON the real results would be known.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Haspel
Post by: Propagandhim on October 26, 2022, 11:31:50 AM
https://twitter.com/IndivisibleTeam/status/1583496354734538756 (https://twitter.com/IndivisibleTeam/status/1583496354734538756)
"Your dollars"
another day, another grift.
The woman that just will not go away
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on October 26, 2022, 04:12:20 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/bookwoof/status/1579561590206398464
Post by: Potato on October 26, 2022, 05:38:20 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 26, 2022, 05:49:12 PM
Trump: "Do you wish you could rewind the clock and elect me in 2020 instead?"
Hillary: "Do you wish you could rewind the clock and elect me in 2016 instead?"
Hillary winning 2016 = no Trump 2016 and no Biden 2020.
Also unlikely that Putin would attack Ukraine with Assad dead in a ditch and US forces in Syria, Afghanistan and/or Iran.
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2022, 06:26:36 PM
Hillary Clinton talk?! If she ran I would be able to amend my 2016 vote for her and vote for Trump! :usasalute
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2022, 06:33:39 PM
WE NEED LIBERTY, BENJILook, the Libertarian Party faces a large number of hurdles that it will never overcome for multiple reasons but fundamentally I don't think you're really going to get a bunch of radical individualists to ever do ceaseless group activities for the purpose of achieving collectivist goals. Cranks will dominate because libertarians in general are not going to be interested in pursuing political power over the long term. The other third parties have similar problems of a similar nature with radicals and cult figures because moderates are going to be drawn to the more powerful apparatus of the two actually supported parties and driven out by infighting where the most extreme can always show more commitment to the cause. What's actually remarkable about the Libertarian Party at the national level, the state parties are totally different, is that the moderates traditionally have won. Jo wasn't their first pick, but she was still a compromise candidate. The party could have reacted entirely differently to having it given itself over to Gary for two cycles. Even still, nobody wants to vote for candidates that are always going to lose. American voters want to win more than anything and the cost is too high to get people to break from that and therefore the two viable parties.
BOTH PARTIES ARE ANTI-LIBERTY DICKS
Plus, if the Libertarians ever somehow broke through what is probably a maximum ceiling during a perfect one-time election of 10-15% to where they could win it would make the existential panic that Trump created look like a calm and respectful tea party. Despite a trifecta, Trump and the GOP never even feigned an actual investigation of all the criminal shit Obama did because they didn't care nor think that violating the law is a big deal.
Radical individualism is exactly the problem. I love the libertarian viewpoint but society needs some homogeny in thought in order to decide what our values are. A libertarian party that all kinda went Ron Paul style would be a juggernaut. If the Libertarian party is all that different what's the point in having a party? Seems pretty pointless.
https://youtu.be/obOLzwSn6sY
Bless this Texan.
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2022, 06:34:07 PM
Especially glad to revote for Dan Crenshaw!
Post by: james on October 26, 2022, 08:45:21 PM
Especially glad to revote for Dan Crenshaw!
Good guy, I fully agree with his views on Islam.
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“The worst thing modern Christianity stands for is anti-homosexual marriage, which is a far cry from sex slaves, sharia law and beheadings,” Crenshaw wrote then.
https://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/Once-cordial-Houston-congressional-campaign-turns-12895473.php
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2022, 08:48:28 PM
https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1533633709995216896
https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1533633713635999744
(https://i.imgur.com/eNJDcmB.gif)
It all started with gay marriage, Mr. Representative! The ball of tolerance keeps rolling like a snowball. Slippery slope proven right! And if you don't respect it or support it you're a bigot! Thankfully Allah showed us the right way.
Especially glad to revote for Dan Crenshaw!
Good guy, I fully agree with his views on Islam.Quote“The worst thing modern Christianity stands for is anti-homosexual marriage, which is a far cry from sex slaves, sharia law and beheadings,” Crenshaw wrote then.
https://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/Once-cordial-Houston-congressional-campaign-turns-12895473.php
I live in America, a non-Muslim nation. You agree with everything your candidates say? You sound like a tool then. Nice try, NPC! Beep boop.
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2022, 09:11:09 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democracy-is-on-the-line-don-t-count-on-white-women-to-save-it/ar-AA13mJ14
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Democracy is on the line. Don’t count on white women to save it.
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If more than seven decades of American political history is any guide, most white women who vote in next month’s elections will probably cast ballots for Republicans in races nationwide that will ultimately decide control of the House and Senate.
They will reject the party that wants to codify abortion rights, ban assault weapons, and restore voting rights. They will support the party of insurrection and its sympathizers which manufactures grievance, condones racism, and ardently clings to the lie that the 2020 presidential election must have been stolen because Donald Trump lost.
Oh, and they will protect white supremacy.
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When 47 percent of white women who voted in 2016 cast their ballots for Trump, there was a lot of confusion. How could Hillary Clinton, the first woman nominated for president by a major party, lose her own demographic by two points to a bombastic oaf accused of sexual assault and misconduct by more than 20 women? A man who, only weeks before the election, was heard on rediscovered audio boasting about kissing women and grabbing their vaginas without their consent?
Democrats still have not gotten over 2016. I have never seen a Republican go,"2008 was a dark time. :beli"
We havve to save DeMaauCraCyY!
https://newrepublic.com/article/168309/elon-musk-twitter-free-speech-ruin-america
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Why Elon Musk’s Idea of “Free Speech” Will Help Ruin America
Twitter without content moderation—and with Donald Trump and others reinvited—means that lies and disinformation will overwhelm the truth and the fascists will take over.
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After months of legal wrangling, Elon Musk’s bid to buy Twitter appears to be finally going through. Musk and the right see this as a great thing because it will restore “free speech” to Twitter. Any suggestion that the sort of “free speech” they envision can have highly undesirable consequences is met with howls of “Libs hate free speech” or other accusations of fascism. Similarly, warnings that unfettered free speech results in dangerous misinformation spreading are derided with “Sunlight is the best disinfectant” and the libertarian belief that in the marketplace of ideas, the best will always win out.
These theories will be tested quickly. It is being reported that after the sale is finalized, Musk plans on laying off nearly three-quarters of Twitter’s staff and that one of the first things to go will be any corporate attempt at content moderation and user security. Musk also plans on restoring the accounts of high-profile sources of disinformation and violent messaging who were previously banned, most notably former President Trump.
:dead It's like Occam wrote for The New Republic :dead
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The pro-Musk arguments are complete nonsense, and there are innumerable historical and modern examples of why social media platforms with nearly unlimited freedom of speech produce horrors. The Supreme Court decided free speech isn’t absolute long ago, when Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes noted that you can’t shout “Fire!” in a crowded theater, for obvious reasons.
First, freedom of speech has caused untold death and suffering when used to disseminate hate or spread disinformation. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a fabricated antisemitic text that purported to expose a global baby-murdering Jewish plot bent on world domination. Mein Kampf was Hitler’s autobiography, which blamed Germany’s post–World War I woes on a global Jewish conspiracy. Both were readily available in the Weimar Republic, which had no First Amendment per se but guaranteed freedom of speech. They were key contributors to the fall of German democracy, the rise of the Third Reich, and the Holocaust itself.
In modern times, lack of moderation on social media sites has repeatedly contributed to mass murder. The Christchurch, New Zealand, shooter killed 51 Muslims at two mosques after being radicalized on YouTube, 4Chan, and 8Chan. The shooter who killed 11 Jews at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh had been radicalized on the social media site Gab, which advertised itself as the “free speech” alternative to Twitter. Dylann Roof killed nine people at the historically Black Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, in 2015, after he self-radicalized online. Investigations revealed that Google searches steered him further and further into extremist propaganda and hate.
It's the end of our democracy and our country as we know it!
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https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1585312832756719619
Remember when Dumbocrats pushed for Lake's campaign?
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Post by: Uncle on October 26, 2022, 09:26:23 PM
has no one ever so much as glanced at porn twitter? some of it doesn't even get flagged and put behind a login wall
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2022, 09:35:25 PM
This is sad and even worse negligence than what they did to Biden.
https://youtu.be/uyKokjugrLQ
https://youtu.be/_nSVAUZUMGA
And of course, libs still defend it.
https://slate.com/technology/2022/10/what-doctors-thought-about-john-fettermans-debate-performance.html
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Actually, John Fetterman’s Debate Performance Was Fine
Here’s what to make of the obvious impairments the Democratic candidate showed on stage.
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The question became: Is this the result of a processing problem, or could it be signaling some greater impairment than what his campaign has disclosed?
To answer that question, I talked to two doctors about how we should view Fetterman or assess his abilities, after watching him debate. Kevin Sheth, director of the Yale Center for Brain & Mind Health, told me it’s clear that Fetterman’s stroke was significant—but it’s also evident he’s made significant progress in the past five to six months since. He’s not only been continuing to campaign but was able to participate in last night’s debate, get on stage, and get into extended question and answer sessions. To Sheth, “that says something, clearly he does have some challenges still with his speech and his language, but those in some ways are not unexpected.”
The aftermath of stroke recovery varies greatly depending on which section of the brain was impacted and how severe it was. The American Stroke Association boils it down to: if a stroke occurs in the left side of the brain, the right side will be affected and that includes speech and language problems, though Fetterman’s campaign hasn’t shared specific details on the extent of his stroke. Paralysis and memory loss are also potential symptoms that can impact strokes that happen no matter which side of the brain the stroke occurred on.
Pooja Khatri, division chief of neurology and rehabilitation medicine at the University of Cincinnati, told me Fetterman pushing through his impairments could actually help with his stroke recovery. She explained that it’s a principle of speech therapy—a form of rehab Fetterman’s doctor has confirmed he’s been attending on a regular basis. However, stress can make recovery more challenging, Sheth noted, adding that that’s something the job of a senator usually comes with.
Taking all of that into consideration, Sheth said he thinks Fetterman appears to be doing OK! Sure, he has some lingering auditory processing issues, but Sheth thought his ability to get into complex responses during Tuesday night’s debate should be viewed as reassuring, even if he was noticeably slower than his opponent (who is, to be fair, a TV veteran). Generally, the first three months following a stroke are considered the most important for recovery and when patients see the most improvements, and Fetterman is about five months post-stroke. But Sheth doesn’t think that means Fetterman is at the end of his road to recovery—he said there’s certainly still potential for more progress.
Many people who experience strokes end up with some level of disability—in fact it’s considered a leading cause of disability in the U.S. It’s possible that Fetterman will continue to struggle with processing, but it shouldn’t be viewed as a proxy for his cognition or thinking. When I asked about the reaction to Fetterman’s performance, Sheth thought that it was a reflection of American society’s preconceived judgements, “We definitely often have biases against a range of disabilities and I think that’s what you’re seeing play out here,” he said.
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Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2022, 09:46:55 PM
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:american
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2022, 09:49:28 PM
https://newrepublic.com/article/168309/elon-musk-twitter-free-speech-ruin-americaWild how The New Republic will just publish things that aren't true and/or will be deliberately misleading in failed attempts to prop up their desire for minorities to be imprisoned or killed. Seems like we need some kind of moderation to oversee The New Republic before they're allowed to publish again.QuoteThe pro-Musk arguments are complete nonsense, and there are innumerable historical and modern examples of why social media platforms with nearly unlimited freedom of speech produce horrors. The Supreme Court decided free speech isn’t absolute long ago, when Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes noted that you can’t shout “Fire!” in a crowded theater, for obvious reasons.
First, freedom of speech has caused untold death and suffering when used to disseminate hate or spread disinformation. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a fabricated antisemitic text that purported to expose a global baby-murdering Jewish plot bent on world domination. Mein Kampf was Hitler’s autobiography, which blamed Germany’s post–World War I woes on a global Jewish conspiracy. Both were readily available in the Weimar Republic, which had no First Amendment per se but guaranteed freedom of speech. They were key contributors to the fall of German democracy, the rise of the Third Reich, and the Holocaust itself.
In modern times, lack of moderation on social media sites has repeatedly contributed to mass murder. The Christchurch, New Zealand, shooter killed 51 Muslims at two mosques after being radicalized on YouTube, 4Chan, and 8Chan. The shooter who killed 11 Jews at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh had been radicalized on the social media site Gab, which advertised itself as the “free speech” alternative to Twitter. Dylann Roof killed nine people at the historically Black Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, in 2015, after he self-radicalized online. Investigations revealed that Google searches steered him further and further into extremist propaganda and hate.
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2022, 10:54:54 PM
Early elections started all the way in September for this election and this was the first debate to horrific results. How undemocratic.
https://youtu.be/mxQ3d4gb03M
:rejoice The Five :rejoice
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2022, 12:27:08 AM
:sabu
https://twitter.com/VinceInAlbany/status/1585317203364425728
https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1585313656044068874
:dead
Progressives and socialists wah wah-ing about their own policies fruits. Be like me. Be a progressive and realize that the problems are caused by your ideology and have the humility to admit you were wrong. Also "real people". Tsk tsk, Cenk. For a socialist you sure do dislike the poor. Why am I shocked?
Post by: BIONIC on October 27, 2022, 12:53:52 AM
Be like me.
:nope :yuck
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2022, 12:59:12 AM
https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1585313656044068874Honestly, I'm pretty skeptical that Cenk couldn't pick up a ton of trash everyday without anyone noticing any decline in the quality of his "job" from it.
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To be fair, this is probably true about me too. :fbm
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Post by: Himu on October 27, 2022, 01:52:39 AM
Post by: Nintex on October 27, 2022, 03:38:15 AM
It's hard to keep up but Metal Gear cosplayer Crenshaw more like Cuckshaw is a loser RINO now and frankly should be ashamed of himself.Especially glad to revote for Dan Crenshaw!
Good guy, I fully agree with his views on Islam.Quote“The worst thing modern Christianity stands for is anti-homosexual marriage, which is a far cry from sex slaves, sharia law and beheadings,” Crenshaw wrote then.
https://www.chron.com/news/politics/texas/article/Once-cordial-Houston-congressional-campaign-turns-12895473.php
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2022, 04:36:08 AM
I cannot stress just how bad Hochul is. An unelected governor. And apparently things have gotten even worse in the city since I left. Imagine Adams being worse than De Blahsio. Hyuck. The NY governor debate was music to my ears. Hochul got destroyed in every issue. She insists guns will be off the street but everyone and their mother knows crime in NYC is often sans gun especially with crazies pushing people in front of subway trains.
The r/moderatepolitics comments are hot fire. Hochul is trash. I'm relying on my Asian and Latino NYC folks to route these dirty socials and authoritarians for a nice flip. I don't count on it but even if Hochul wins, NY Democrats will be awakened due to their extremist, authoritarian positioning. You cannot be anti gun while crime rises for instance. It makes you look re-tarded.
https://www.reddit.com/r/moderatepolitics/comments/yd66ov/new_yorks_governors_race_is_suddenly_too_close/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
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[538 has an article about how we have less polling this cycle, how the polling is more partisan, and how](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/youre-not-imagining-it-there-are-fewer-polls-this-cycle/) since there is less polling in races considered not competitive there’s room for surprising wins.
The article says there are 339 House districts for which there are no polls. We could be in for some surprises.
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I’d love to know to what extent covid policy is affecting voting numbers. Covid policy there was extreme compared to many other places - I’m sure it’s been polarizing for independents
Covid policy under Hochul was so bad it made me into a libertarian/conservative adjacent.
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I voted for Obama twice and Hillary once (begrudgingly). I'm furious at the Democrats for everything covid and have basically made it my life's mission to see them fail. I won't ever consider voting for a democrat for the rest of my life after what they did to us for 2 years.
YES! THANK YOU! THEY NEED TO BURN FOR THIS. I have no idea who this person is but they may become my bestie.
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Same here. I hate how the white house, CDC/FDA administrators basically became the marketing department of Pfizer/Moderna.
The least they could make vaccine manufacturers do is to conduct high quality trials both pre and post marketing. But nope, they're willing to bypass their own advisors to approve universal boosters and the bivalent booster with 0 efficacy data.
Two senior vaccine regulators in the FDA also resigned due to politcal pressure from White House.
Mandating a new vaccine that slightly reduces transmission is also extremely illiberal. I couldn't support Democrats for a long time.
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Hochul had a conference yesterday and when she was questioned regarding pivoting away from bail reform, she essentially said that she did not want to change direction yet without enough time to get the data in.
I was kind of shocked, given how bail reform in particular has been abused by repeat offenders. I'm not sure its wise to continue to wait when it should be clear at this point that reform is needed and changes should be implemented asap to stem the bleeding from the bad policies.
I guess I cannot be too surprised though, given that Hochul was quoted as saying she does not need the data when questioned what data she used when crafting the legislation for the CCIA, specifically making it harder for those who want to legally conceal carry in NY state. It just seems to be a continuation of NY politics, where the Governor rules by decree.
SO BAD. I have to do everything in my power to see this party die.
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She straight up said republicans are not welcome in New York, that they needed to leave. To a moderate that really shows she is not flexible nor willing to work with the other side, even if they propose something that makes sense, just because it’s the other side.
I dunno man she’s got the crazy eyes too. I’m surprised she didn’t get primaried out.
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I think it’s also important to note that Hochul is a staunchly upstate politician with little name recognition in the city. The only thing I ever hear people talk about her is the $850 million for a new stadium in Buffalo. Not that NYC is the entire state, but for a D politician she has to run up decent numbers in the city to overcome the red parts of the state. For this reason I could see Schumer and most house candidates having an easier time and Hochul being in an extremely tight race.
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I've said this elsewhere. A lot of swing voters and moderate Democrats aren't happy. I know Hochul wins this, but I have no faith from what I've seen that she will understand what such a close race means.
On 2A- Hochul.is, as near as I can tell, deliberately and knowingly breaking the law of the land with her anti gun measures. she's employing, whether consciously or not, what used to be racist tactics to suppress gun ownership. May issue was used to keep "the wrong races" from gun ownership. even if race isn't used, it's where the idea came from. I mentioned in another post having minority family that live in the boonies. A gun is basically necessary. What she's doing is suppressing that. Not to mention the gray area of the Adirondacks where bears, mountain lions, and I believe Moose all live.
On crime- I haven't really seen her address it. I swear I saw someone post about how crime is actually down, or some article claiming it's not that bad. I can only speak to my city. Last year we broke the record for most homicides since anyone started recording. This year we are on track to match that number. My wife and I moved out of the city because ultimately the crime in our area was getting worse. It had the occasional homicide but more than one was rare- there were 3 in a block radius from us all within a few months. It may be a local issue but when the state in general is having the same issue, it's a state issue.
And, as a city in Upstate we get ignored. Were used to it, if not bitter about it. But then to have a governor from our neighboring city manage to still basically ignore us gets under the skin of a lot of folks. I didn't like Cuomo, but I expected it from him. Hochul had to pass Rochester to get to Albany. We're still bigger than Syracuse and we have RIT and some of the best hospitals and schools in the state.
Ultimately I think displeasure could see low voter turnout. I'm not going to vote Zeldin. I know nothing of any 3rd party candidates, except Larry Sharpe and he isn't getting my vote either. But largely I don't like Hochul who seems to have stumbled upwards twice now, and hasn't actually earned her spot. I agree with a commenter above me, that there's no way Hochul loses, but that if she doesn't get her shit together, the *next* election all it would take is a competent Republican (or a very popular 3rd party candidate who isn't a libertarian).
Watch the NY debate and then read the comments. Democrats deserve to go the way of the dinosaur.
https://youtu.be/EI0_5v6Ljdk
Post by: Propagandhim on October 27, 2022, 10:57:50 AM
Some boomer hacked the post and he's too old to think of anything clever to do with it
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2022, 11:40:27 AM
Post by: Uncle on October 27, 2022, 01:51:17 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1585625370711425025
Some boomer hacked the post and he's too old to think of anything clever to do with it
https://twitter.com/codesixonline/status/1585629859052605443
the lack of creativity pisses me off
stay in there quietly and record as much data as possible with the credentials you have, leak something interesting or compromising
Post by: Nintex on October 27, 2022, 02:08:12 PM
Companies: "You're no longer going to see our ads on YouTube and many other places if you vote for Trump peasants" :hmph
The People: "Thank you Mr. President" :mynicca
Post by: james on October 27, 2022, 02:09:37 PM
Post by: BIONIC on October 27, 2022, 02:16:28 PM
Cant wait for all my posts to be sponsored by pillows and survival kits
Don’t forget gold. Invest in your future today!
Post by: Nintex on October 27, 2022, 02:32:31 PM
"People are starting to pass out because of all the excitement there is so much high energy in this room. The crowd loves the music."
"Now a few words from our sponsor Yeezows by MyPillow"
Post by: Uncle on October 27, 2022, 02:35:12 PM
lose random ad buyer that earns you $200k per year
fire 4 employees making $50k who tie up everyone in pointless meetings and constantly take personal days when their gluten intolerance flares up
:idont
Post by: Nintex on October 27, 2022, 02:41:19 PM
He never posted anything illegal or against the Terms of Service and he posted his most fire Tweets before he got into politics.
Post by: james on October 27, 2022, 02:46:25 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 27, 2022, 03:05:34 PM
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2022, 03:20:19 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/oregon-might-elect-a-republican-governor-for-first-time-in-four-decades-11666863003?mod=hp_lead_pos7
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GOP Has a Chance at Oregon Governorship for First Time in Four Decades
Increasing frustration with homelessness, crime and drug use leaves some voters in the Democratic-dominated state open to new leadership
Oregon Republican gubernatorial candidate Christine Drazan spoke to a rally last week in Aurora, Ore.
PORTLAND—Oregonians might choose a Republican governor for the first time in 40 years, polls show, as voters look for new leadership to take on homelessness and crime and a well-funded independent candidate complicates the race.
Former Democratic state House Speaker Tina Kotek and former state House GOP leader Christine Drazan are running evenly at just under 39%, according to the polling average on the website FiveThirtyEight.
Yes yes yes yes! Topple the Dem strongholds!
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2022, 03:24:04 PM
Political realignment :rejoice
Also a split government :rejoice Where no one party holds power :delicious Work together, cock fiends.
Post by: BIONIC on October 27, 2022, 03:40:41 PM
Trump is too busy posting on his super successful truth social network to return to Twitter. Only a loser goes back to a place that bans him
And a special mention to omega fucking losers that keep coming back after 50 bans when no one wants them :neogaf
Post by: Transhuman on October 27, 2022, 03:54:21 PM
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2022, 04:10:56 PM
I love that you hate you can't get rid of me. Zehahaha
Post by: Nintex on October 27, 2022, 07:14:04 PM
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1585738349876502529 (https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1585738349876502529)
Fetterman derping
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1585666409044103168 (https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1585666409044103168)
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1585352849059647488 (https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1585352849059647488)
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2022, 10:23:43 PM
Why would you pay for a poll in a House district that's not competitive?Quote[538 has an article about how we have less polling this cycle, how the polling is more partisan, and how](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/youre-not-imagining-it-there-are-fewer-polls-this-cycle/) since there is less polling in races considered not competitive there’s room for surprising wins.
The article says there are 339 House districts for which there are no polls. We could be in for some surprises.
When polling competitive districts and nationally provide enough data that the Republicans are favored to take the House, why would you do anything with +10 districts or even +5 districts with incumbents?
The House doesn't have a higher threshold like the Senate with the filibuster. And being four times larger two or three extra seats doesn't mean anything.
Not to mention, you don't need a poll. Go look at how much money is being spent in the district, if the GOP candidate isn't getting any spending on them what do you think the odds are that their internal polls say the race is secretly competitive?
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2022, 12:53:56 AM
Meanwhile:
https://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes/status/1585665239764246528
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2022, 01:32:14 AM
:hmm Democrats sound pretty based now, Stephen.
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https://twitter.com/loganclarkhall/status/1584584728430006277
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Post by: Himu on October 28, 2022, 09:18:35 AM
https://twitter.com/anasalhajji/status/1585791540664107008
Remember when Kerry said "it's not my problem, I'm the climate guy" when asked about China's Muslim genocide?
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1458646748126187521
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1440738295705522180
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1452681158966267916
BUT THE DEMOCRATS DON'T HATE MUSLIMS HIMU!!!! :sabu Only a legitimate dumbass thinks either party cares. Vote for your values.
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2022, 09:21:17 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgCqe6UX0AAbKOM?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgCqe6RXkAURAqy?format=jpg&name=small)
The crime:
https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1585374560396128256
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on October 28, 2022, 09:26:01 AM
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2022, 09:28:55 AM
Maybe don't link "RNCresearch"
Maybe deal with it.
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2022, 09:31:38 AM
https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1585813534801281028
https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1585815229207912454
https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1585819893424947200
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2022, 09:43:45 AM
Post by: james on October 28, 2022, 10:48:58 AM
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Paul Pelosi, the husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, was "violently assaulted" after a break-in at the couple's San Francisco home early on Friday, her office said in a statement.
"The assailant is in custody and the motivation for the attack is under investigation," the statement said. "Mr. Pelosi was taken to the hospital, where he is receiving excellent medical care and is expected to make a full recovery."
The Democratic speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, who is second in line to the presidency, was not at home at the time of the early morning assault.
The circumstances of the attack were unclear, including how the intruder got into the home.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Fworld%2Fus%2Fus-house-speaker-pelosis-husband-violently-assaulted-pelosi-statement-2022-10-28%2F
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2022, 11:41:26 AM
Terrible. I mean there's better ways to get insider info on stocks.
Seriously this is fucked up.
Post by: james on October 28, 2022, 12:48:11 PM
:pika
Post by: james on October 28, 2022, 01:11:08 PM
1. Declare the attack domestic terrorism
2. Declare that the GOP will be investigated as state supporters of terrorism, including their Supreme Court affiliates
3. Set up speedy trials in Guantanamo
4. Cancel the November elections until everything can be sorted out
5. Put Bernie, AOC, and Obama on the Supreme Court
Its the only correct course of action
Post by: BrokenVerses on October 28, 2022, 01:30:18 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2022, 01:50:30 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1586041431583608834 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1586041431583608834)
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2022, 02:05:17 PM
Former castro nudist protestor
:wut
He also has a blog
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgLN9RtUoAENdqW?format=jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgLN8gHWQAAvwg3?format=jpg)
Literally Gamer Gate
https://twitter.com/boruszak/status/1586054846754562050 (https://twitter.com/boruszak/status/1586054846754562050)
Post by: james on October 28, 2022, 02:17:46 PM
When alien archeologists dig up Putins bunker after the nuclear armageddon, they will trace his spiral back to gamergate
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 28, 2022, 02:23:23 PM
like the main link seems to be some of the maga grifters being involved like your Milos, but it was probably more of them jumping to a new bandwagon when that died out rather than the birth of the trump movement imo.
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2022, 02:25:01 PM
https://twitter.com/Alyssafarah/status/1586059727791788032 (https://twitter.com/Alyssafarah/status/1586059727791788032)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgLRkrsUcAE8TOS?format=jpg)
A new plot twist this is apparently a different David Depape from Alabama. :dizzy
The David Depape from the mugshot is not the same David Depape as the Castro Nudist and now it turns out neither pictures are of David Depape :doge
Post by: james on October 28, 2022, 03:15:16 PM
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2022, 03:18:57 PM
Democracy Dies in Dorkness
Post by: Tasty on October 28, 2022, 03:31:44 PM
David Depape
Former castro nudist protestor
:wut
He also has a blog
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgLN9RtUoAENdqW?format=jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgLN8gHWQAAvwg3?format=jpg)
Literally Gamer Gate
https://twitter.com/boruszak/status/1586054846754562050 (https://twitter.com/boruszak/status/1586054846754562050)
Dude don't doxx magus like this
Post by: Uncle on October 28, 2022, 03:44:52 PM
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In videos circulating on Twitter Friday morning, two men carrying boxes are seen standing near the entrance to Twitter’s San Francisco building, claiming to have been laid off by Elon Musk, who officially took over the company Thursday evening.
There are plenty of problems with what these two men say to reporters. The most glaring is that one man identifies himself as a software engineer named “Rahul Ligma.” The Verge has confirmed that name does not exist in Twitter’s Slack or email system. There is also no evidence that the employee exists on LinkedIn.
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2022, 03:45:20 PM
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And he's hinted to colleagues that he has achieved all that can be reasonably accomplished in the current political environment — both domestically and internationally.:iface
Post by: james on October 28, 2022, 03:54:30 PM
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2022, 03:55:20 PM
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2022, 04:13:10 PM
Biden needs to act NOW.Trials for people we already know are guilty and who will just deny it and try to sabotage us achieving justice? And putting somebody that old who literally is an agent of Putin and denied Her her Presidency on the Supreme Court? :jeanluc
1. Declare the attack domestic terrorism
2. Declare that the GOP will be investigated as state supporters of terrorism, including their Supreme Court affiliates
3. Set up speedy trials in Guantanamo
4. Cancel the November elections until everything can be sorted out
5. Put Bernie, AOC, and Obama on the Supreme Court
Its the only correct course of action
John Kerry list of accomplishments:There is that one time he invaded another country on the orders of a man who wasn't President yet. Allegedly. It was seared in his memory supposedly.
Post by: Nintex on October 28, 2022, 08:41:55 PM
https://twitter.com/FrischReport/status/1586050516710195203 (https://twitter.com/FrischReport/status/1586050516710195203)
Now this is the guy, press seems confident this time. Guess third time is the charm?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgMl2GGUoAA0DeC?format=jpg)
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2022, 09:28:26 PM
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2022, 10:49:45 PM
IS HE RIGHT WING?!?!
Post by: Uncle on October 28, 2022, 11:48:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/WwgicTR.png)
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/federal-judge-merges-arizona-drop-box-cases-weighs-decision/
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PHOENIX (AP) — A federal judge Friday refused to bar a group from monitoring outdoor ballot boxes in Arizona’s largest county where watchers have shown up armed and in ballistic vests, saying to do so could violate the monitors’ constitutional rights.
U.S. District Court Judge Michael Liburdi said the case remained open and that the Arizona Alliance for Retired Americans could try again to make its argument against a group calling itself Clean Elections USA. A second plantiff, Voto Latino, was removed from the case.
Liburdi concluded that “while this case certainly presents serious questions, the Court cannot craft an injunction without violating the First Amendment.” The judge is a Trump appointee and a member of the Federalist Society, a conservative legal organization.
Local and federal law enforcement have been alarmed by reports of people, including some who were masked and armed, watching 24-hour ballot boxes in Maricopa County — Arizona’s most populous county — and rural Yavapai County as midterm elections near. Some voters have complained alleging voter intimidation after people watching the boxes took photos and videos, and followed voters.
Arizona law states electioneers and monitors must remain 75-foot (23-meter) from a voting location.
“Plaintiffs have not provided the Court with any evidence that Defendants’ conduct constitutes a true threat,” the judge wrote. “On this record, Defendants have not made any statements threatening to commit acts of unlawful violence to a particular individual or group of individuals.”
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2022, 11:55:49 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2022, 05:04:03 AM
He's white.Black lives matter sign and pride flag on his house.
IS HE RIGHT WING?!?!
:doge
Post by: Maiden Voyage on October 29, 2022, 06:16:29 AM
Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2022, 02:23:22 PM
How do we know the guy just didn’t want some ice cream? A little hospitality goes a long way.He was fighting over a hammer apparently.
Anyway some folks noticed how the Pelosi's live in a community that has quite a bit of security in general.
One internet theory is that it was Paul Pelosi's grindr date gone wrong. :dead
It's very strange, that blog wasn't active for a while and he suddenly started posting again in 2022.
His house has all the signs of the radical left as opposed to the radical right.
His fellow Castro Nudists post anti-Trump messages so he seems to be a schizofrenic MAGA tankie or maybe the CIA mixed up 2 covers :trumps
My my how the turn tables
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgQTYEKXkAAikN6?format=jpg)
Post by: Tasty on October 29, 2022, 04:19:48 PM
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One internet theory is that it was Paul Pelosi's grindr date gone wrong. :dead
:dead
Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2022, 05:44:30 PM
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1586144536408883205 (https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1586144536408883205)
This shit would be censored to hell and back if Elon didn't own Twitter right now :lol
https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1586439674973007873 (https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1586439674973007873)
This story is so fucking weird
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgQn1PEWQAU6H-f?format=jpg)
https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1586479705062244352 (https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1586479705062244352)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 29, 2022, 06:46:43 PM
Post by: Potato on October 29, 2022, 07:13:06 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 29, 2022, 07:20:05 PM
"It reminds me of that time all the boys got hammered by the Castro Nudist at Nancy Pelosi's house"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2022, 07:29:47 PM
The wild thing is that people are saying this guy is a radical extremist but...just about everything he believes is pretty standard republican shit these days. Replacement theory, communists taking over government, dems want to take all your guns away, trans people, left wing media etc etc...dude sounds like Himu.
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2022, 07:34:21 PM
Replacement theory for instance is stupid but let's be honest, the left plays their part in propagating it. Stuff like "Republicans won't be elected because of demographics!" is basically the same as Replacement Theory. Many people on the left outright say white people will be outnumbered by minorities or "x got more brown/black!" pretty much all the time. X being education, some hobby, whatever. It's always comical seeing people on the left scream at replacement theory while at the same time saying the equivalent in the side of their mouths. Meanwhile, I completely deny that demographics will change the parties. On the contrary, more black and brown people are shifting to the GOP. Thank God.
On the other hand, got to love the cute arrogance "standard Republican viewpoints these days" when your flock is currently WAH-ing about Musk taking over Twitter. You can say,"those don't represent all Democrats" but for whatever reason, someone like Boebert or MTG represents the full circumference of the Republican Party. Anyone on my side of things could point to whatever dog whistle or conspiracy theory Democrats lobby at their opponents, whether it's stating Trump helped Russia steal the election in 2016 or whatever. Both sides have whackos.
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2022, 07:45:47 PM
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2022, 07:50:15 PM
I like how the reaction is always not "no, this is clearly not a regular Republican person, so I a regular Republican person should not have my worldview be threatened by this event" but "this was some leftist BLM nudist sex thing proving that it's actually the Democrats who are wrong and also that they deserved this for being freaks" and the story will probably only grow from there.
I agree. The opposite is also true. Both sides don't want to be represented by some crazy person because they know it will give points to the enemy. It's why any time there's some tragedy, like a mass shooting or something, both sides are quick to dig their heels in supporting why it was a political rival. The black shooter that shot up the subway I was almost in was a "black supremacist" according to conservative media, while this guy was clearly a Qanon flunky according to the left. Meanwhile, a Democrat literally shot up a GOP event, some guy was going to assassinate Kavanaugh, and now this guy wanted to kill Nancy and her beautiful grandma milkers. But for some reason both parties want to be quick to point fingers even when we have zero facts.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2022, 07:54:54 PM
Nah, I disagree on most of those.
Replacement theory for instance is stupid but let's be honest, the left plays their part in propagating it. Stuff like "Republicans won't be elected because of demographics!" is basically the same as Replacement Theory. Many people on the left outright say white people will be outnumbered by minorities or "x got more brown/black!" pretty much all the time. X being education, some hobby, whatever. It's always comical seeing people on the left scream at replacement theory while at the same time saying the equivalent in the side of their mouths. Meanwhile, I completely deny that demographics will change the parties. On the contrary, more black and brown people are shifting to the GOP. Thank God.
On the other hand, got to love the cute arrogance "standard Republican viewpoints these days" when your flock is currently WAH-ing about Musk taking over Twitter. You can say,"those don't represent all Democrats" but for whatever reason, someone like Boebert or MTG represents the full circumference of the Republican Party. Anyone on my side of things could point to whatever dog whistle or conspiracy theory Democrats lobby at their opponents, whether it's stating Trump helped Russia steal the election in 2016 or whatever. Both sides have whackos.
Do you understand how unhinged and objectively stupid this sounds? A white nationalist racist theory about a political party destroying white power in order to take over the country is the same as...acknowledging the reality of demographic shifts in this country and that the country will be majority brown in 30 years or so?
When you aren't shooting off the most basic right wing talking points word for word, you're trying to "both sides" everything else to make yourself seem more balanced. It's laughable.
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2022, 08:02:22 PM
Nah, I disagree on most of those.
Replacement theory for instance is stupid but let's be honest, the left plays their part in propagating it. Stuff like "Republicans won't be elected because of demographics!" is basically the same as Replacement Theory. Many people on the left outright say white people will be outnumbered by minorities or "x got more brown/black!" pretty much all the time. X being education, some hobby, whatever. It's always comical seeing people on the left scream at replacement theory while at the same time saying the equivalent in the side of their mouths. Meanwhile, I completely deny that demographics will change the parties. On the contrary, more black and brown people are shifting to the GOP. Thank God.
On the other hand, got to love the cute arrogance "standard Republican viewpoints these days" when your flock is currently WAH-ing about Musk taking over Twitter. You can say,"those don't represent all Democrats" but for whatever reason, someone like Boebert or MTG represents the full circumference of the Republican Party. Anyone on my side of things could point to whatever dog whistle or conspiracy theory Democrats lobby at their opponents, whether it's stating Trump helped Russia steal the election in 2016 or whatever. Both sides have whackos.
Do you understand how unhinged and objectively stupid this sounds? A white nationalist racist theory about a political party destroying white power in order to take over the country is the same as...acknowledging the reality of demographic shifts in this country and that the country will be majority brown in 30 years or so?
When you aren't shooting off the most basic right wing talking points word for word, you're trying to "both sides" everything else to make yourself seem more balanced. It's laughable.
Unhinged. That's quite a liberal definition of the word. Yes, I think it's the same thing. When you hear white nationalists talk about replacement theory they often cite Democrats saying exactly this. The overall point is that people continue talking about some white minority looming while also painting it as some positive for the country and then being shocked that a bunch of white people take that very discussion up to 11. My postulation is that both parties have their own version of it. You can't deny Dems are obsessed with demographic changes as a political totem pole.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/democrats-and-demographic-change-tracing-the-lefts-decades-long-shift-toward-cheerleading-white-decline/
Also Demographics aren't really destiny and the assumption people will vote for you just because of the color of their skin is pretty assumptive and insulting. Also, arrogant, like most Democrat talking points.
Nah, both sides have issues. It's simply a reality you refuse to see. You're deep plugged into the Democratic Party's matrix. You can continue to enjoy being a prop for the Dems, I won't.
Frankly, for the all the talk about conservatives being obsessed with replacement theory absolutely none of the cons I know give a fuck about it. Most are pissed off that Biden ran saying,"fundamentally nothing will change" while operating the most progressive presidency since FDR. Others hate the student loan forgiveness shit, increasing crime, trans and their demonic ideology, economy, liberty, free speech;etc. Almost half the conservatives I talk to are black or non-white of some kind. No one cares about replacement theory for such a "normalized" concept within the Republican Party. It's the equivalent of calling the entirety of the Democratic Party socialist because of AOC's existence. Absolute banana factory.
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2022, 08:21:59 PM
This is the same kind of thing. The "opposite" is not true because "Democrats are also nuts" isn't the "opposite" of what I said. Of course, there are conspiratorial loons who are Democrats too, the White House just invited the worst accounts of BlueAnon Twitter to visit*, but that has nothing to do with what I was saying. You're pretty much just instinctively reacting in defense because for the example I used was what the tweets Nintex shared were saying.I like how the reaction is always not "no, this is clearly not a regular Republican person, so I a regular Republican person should not have my worldview be threatened by this event" but "this was some leftist BLM nudist sex thing proving that it's actually the Democrats who are wrong and also that they deserved this for being freaks" and the story will probably only grow from there.
I agree. The opposite is also true. Both sides don't want to be represented by some crazy person because they know it will give points to the enemy. It's why any time there's some tragedy, like a mass shooting or something, both sides are quick to dig their heels in supporting why it was a political rival. The black shooter that shot up the subway I was almost in was a "black supremacist" according to conservative media, while this guy was clearly a Qanon flunky according to the left. Meanwhile, a Democrat literally shot up a GOP event, some guy was going to assassinate Kavanaugh, and now this guy wanted to kill Nancy and her beautiful grandma milkers. But for some reason both parties want to be quick to point fingers even when we have zero facts.
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https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1583506007564906496
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https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1583556392526368769
https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1583558583483961345
https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1583558583483961345
that's Aaron Rupar on the couch
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Post by: Himu on October 29, 2022, 08:27:47 PM
"Republicans are full of conspiratorial nut jobs"
Imagine thinking such a large part of the population are that steeped in conspiracy. How would you even live your life? At what point does "Republicans are full of conspiracy theorists" eventually become its own conspiracy theory?
I just find it funny how Republicans are pointing at one shooter for being a black supremacist and then then Democrats are pointing at one shooter for possibly being a right winger. It's all one big game of musical chairs.
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2022, 08:33:08 PM
It may even be totally normal. What's the easiest way to explain how despite you being in the "silent majority" or on the "right side of history" you lost an election to avoid cognitive dissonance? It was obviously stolen by a nefarious force that performed near impossible tasks perfectly and in secret.
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2022, 08:41:06 PM
I don't know, I'm starting to get the impression that far more of the population than I once assumed are fully on board with conspiracies. It being a majority or a supermajority of the population wouldn't surprise me at all.
It may even be totally normal. What's the easiest way to explain how despite you being in the "silent majority" or on the "right side of history" you lost an election to avoid cognitive dissonance? It was obviously stolen by a nefarious force that performed near impossible tasks perfectly and in secret.
This is why I point to both parties regarding certain things. Both parties link outside forces for their losses. It's not me "both sides"-ing, it's just being realistic, just like acknowledging the fact that both voted for war in Iraq and the War on Drugs.
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2022, 08:44:46 PM
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2022, 08:52:00 PM
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2022, 09:00:36 PM
For example, you fit PD into your standard narrative about the Democrats but of all Bire posters past and present I would not put PD near the top of the list for "loyal Democrats" especially on certain issues. If Rick Snyder announced a 2024 campaign tomorrow, PD would have probably already sent in $2800 and volunteered.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2022, 09:08:31 PM
That's a fine position to take and argue, but I think one of our collective issues is the notion that we're constantly in an existential war and everything is part of the battlefield. A sense that if you allow a criticism of Republicans to go undefended or without a corresponding attack on Democrats that the field will shift slightly in their favor and possibly decide the entire war. I think this is a large part of Trump's appeal to Republicans, he basically would never turn off.:dead
For example, you fit PD into your standard narrative about the Democrats but of all Bire posters past and present I would not put PD near the top of the list for "loyal Democrats" especially on certain issues. If Rick Snyder announced a 2024 campaign tomorrow, PD would have probably already sent in $2800 and volunteered.
He was a nerd and CPA. I had no choice.
I'm not a democrat, I'm a liberal. Nor do I sit around repeating basic ass talking points for my side or react to attacks with "but the others guys did xyz."
Post by: Uncle on October 29, 2022, 09:08:58 PM
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2022, 09:15:54 PM
:deadPeople really forget how popular he was in 2010. I remember lots of Democrat cope that they were going to pull it out because Obama had won by 16 points in 2008, the D nominee never polled over 40% and fell short of that in the election. Snyder almost got 40% in Wayne County!
He was a nerd and CPA. I had no choice.
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2022, 09:22:50 PM
That's a fine position to take and argue, but I think one of our collective issues is the notion that we're constantly in an existential war and everything is part of the battlefield. A sense that if you allow a criticism of Republicans to go undefended or without a corresponding attack on Democrats that the field will shift slightly in their favor and possibly decide the entire war. I think this is a large part of Trump's appeal to Republicans, he basically would never turn off.
For example, you fit PD into your standard narrative about the Democrats but of all Bire posters past and present I would not put PD near the top of the list for "loyal Democrats" especially on certain issues. If Rick Snyder announced a 2024 campaign tomorrow, PD would have probably already sent in $2800 and volunteered.
Here's what I think is happening.
I hate the Democratic Party.
PD hates the Republican Party.
We aren't party loyalists (I voted Green in 2012, and only voted for Hillary and Biden because Trump).
BUT we have our own pre conceived preferences and therefore biases.
I think PD is a Dem knob slobberer. For all the talk he's more reasonable and moderate he doesn't scrutinize his side nearly enough.
PD thinks the same of me.
So we both assume of each other's viewpoints on certain issues because we presume the others bias. If we talked issue by issue and tried to find common ground I think we would find a lot in common. But we don't, I mostly presume everything PD says to me to be an attack. He drops subliminals. Thinking I support white replacement theory is actively insulting so I naturally go on the defense and attack him.
It's an example of polarity. Neither side wants to talk and just assumes the worst about the other. If PD actually talked to me he could probably see the logic in my rationale. I tried laying it out straight last year on this site but got a big nah. I've been shit posting politics ever since.
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2022, 10:03:20 PM
But rarely do people go "yeah, but Republicans" or "yeah, but Trump" to me because most recognize that I'm obviously independent of that battle and aren't usually trying to score points that way so they need to act as if the enemy is encroaching especially if they know I don't even vote for moral reasons. I think it's important to keep in mind that even people who appear less clearly independent as me in that regard are not always lockstep partisans. We have people sometimes reflexively defend Biden (either correctly or incorrectly) but many of these people were nefarious Russian Bernie agents or patriotic Warren supporters, their loyalty to Biden (and beyond that Democrats as a whole) is more complex. We have members who are with the Democrats on nearly everything but are more in line with you on stuff like trans issues or some COVID measures. Even a Nintex is more complex than it would seem because nobody really logs it in their mind when he doesn't talk about a topic so his position goes unknown and you can only go off what he does seem to say and support.
When you boil things down to a binary choice and then demand people choose one or the other you're really just encouraging the mentality you're then using to justify disliking the "unified" other and supporting the superior one. Especially as an election approaches are we encouraged to think of deviations as possibly harming the total galactic effort. That person might switch to vote for Oz! That Ryan supporter might stay home! This is completely irrational because people engaged enough to talk about politics, especially to the extent we do, are not people like this in the first place. And the idea that the other kind of people are going to hop on to get informed and read your posts is our standard online scourge: narcissism. (Except in my case since I mail every undecided voter bound monthly digests of all my posts.)
I don't claim to be perfect in recognizing this myself obviously but I do think it's important to try not to read possible intents into rhetoric, especially rhetoric that can often be more hyperbolic than realistic. If somebody says Trump is the worst President ever, I'm going to disagree since it was clearly and objectively Woodrow Wilson and I also feel some chagrin when the person seems fine with what the Obama Administration did, but rarely is the person making an objective claim and more just saying he really really sucked. It's fair to say I'm also doing that mind reading thing but I prefer to think of it as trying to place a check on myself rather than trying to infer the bad faith of the other person even if that person is a known sociopath or dishonest or whatever.
I'll also note that everything I said here and in the earlier post about things I think should often be kept in mind is that some people don't give a shit at all. They want the partisan fighting, seeing enemies everywhere and feeling of constant combat that doing stuff like making complete fools of themselves daily in public on Twitter gives them. I AM LITERALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN ALL PEOPLE'S LIVES THIS IS NOT IRRATIONAL OBSESSIVE NARCISSISM SEND TWEET
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2022, 10:05:16 PM
I think if someone criticized me for being too harsh on Democrats or rather too lenient on Republicans that would be a fair criticism. My defense would be that I perceive the Democrats to often be claiming to be better even, perhaps especially, when they're far worse and that my larger interest is poking at this rather than the specifics. Republicans to me, until recently, tended to appeal more to a transactional notion between their coalition parts. (Now that coalition has agreed on a single core issue: Trump good.) But I would absolutely agree this isn't a perfect framing and much of it is based on my perceptions, as well as I often assume most people here are (or were) Democrats and so will have already seen many of the "other side" things so I think less about sharing them.lmao you posted this on a Saturday night NERD
But rarely do people go "yeah, but Republicans" or "yeah, but Trump" to me because most recognize that I'm obviously independent of that battle and aren't usually trying to score points that way so they need to act as if the enemy is encroaching especially if they know I don't even vote for moral reasons. I think it's important to keep in mind that even people who appear less clearly independent as me in that regard are not always lockstep partisans. We have people sometimes reflexively defend Biden (either correctly or incorrectly) but many of these people were nefarious Russian Bernie agents or patriotic Warren supporters, their loyalty to Biden (and beyond that Democrats as a whole) is more complex. We have members who are with the Democrats on nearly everything but are more in line with you on stuff like trans issues or some COVID measures. Even a Nintex is more complex than it would seem because nobody really logs it in their mind when he doesn't talk about a topic so his position goes unknown and you can only go off what he does seem to say and support.
When you boil things down to a binary choice and then demand people choose one or the other you're really just encouraging the mentality you're then using to justify disliking the "unified" other and supporting the superior one. Especially as an election approaches are we encouraged to think of deviations as possibly harming the total galactic effort. That person might switch to vote for Oz! That Ryan supporter might stay home! This is completely irrational because people engaged enough to talk about politics, especially to the extent we do, are not people like this in the first place. And the idea that the other kind of people are going to hop on to get informed and read your posts is our standard online scourge: narcissism. (Except in my case since I mail every undecided voter bound monthly digests of all my posts.)
I don't claim to be perfect in recognizing this myself obviously but I do think it's important to try not to read possible intents into rhetoric, especially rhetoric that can often be more hyperbolic than realistic. If somebody says Trump is the worst President ever, I'm going to disagree since it was clearly and objectively Woodrow Wilson and I also feel some chagrin when the person seems fine with what the Obama Administration did, but rarely is the person making an objective claim and more just saying he really really sucked. It's fair to say I'm also doing that mind reading thing but I prefer to think of it as trying to place a check on myself rather than trying to infer the bad faith of the other person even if that person is a known sociopath or dishonest or whatever.
I'll also note that everything I said here and in the earlier post about things I think should often be kept in mind is that some people don't give a shit at all. They want the partisan fighting, seeing enemies everywhere and feeling of constant combat that doing stuff like making complete fools of themselves daily in public on Twitter gives them. I AM LITERALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN ALL PEOPLE'S LIVES THIS IS NOT IRRATIONAL OBSESSIVE NARCISSISM SEND TWEET
Post by: Uncle on October 29, 2022, 10:14:17 PM
the problem is the implied "...therefore I'm right" or "...therefore it's a wash and I can continue uncritically supporting my side"
recognizing issues on both sides (if we must deal with a binary) is important, as long as the issues are presented honestly, in good faith, and with enough context to understand them, which admittedly never happens
I'm just not comfortable poisoning the well against the idea of rebuttal, as so much online discourse already has, where offering the mildest "yeah, but" for anything has people pointing and shrieking at you like donald sutherland
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2022, 10:28:40 PM
Literally in the span of our last few convos on twitter, before my recent return to The Bore, you went from being trans to being a dude focused on performative masculinity and attracting/marrying a submissive woman. What are we doing here fam.
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2022, 10:38:12 PM
I don't think "yeah but the other side does X" is the actual problemI do in reality think, from experience, that most people who respond with "BOTH SIDES DURRR" are also being instinctively defensive and essentially revealing that they did intend that "hidden" message. I'm mostly saying yet again "be the change that you seek" since I think it's very important to always consider what things are actually within your control. At the same time, I think going into those weeds grants the argument to that person, you're now debating who is less bad rather than what is correct. That may be the "realistic" choice implied by having two parties but your debate isn't deciding the election it's attempting to pursue the truth of the issue. "Yes, both ideas suck, but those are our choices." They aren't! You aren't actually choosing!
the problem is the implied "...therefore I'm right" or "...therefore it's a wash and I can continue uncritically supporting my side"
recognizing issues on both sides (if we must deal with a binary) is important, as long as the issues are presented honestly, in good faith, and with enough context to understand them, which admittedly never happens
I'm just not comfortable poisoning the well against the idea of rebuttal, as so much online discourse already has, where offering the mildest "yeah, but" for anything has people pointing and shrieking at you like donald sutherland
I also want to make this distinct from pointing out the "other side" does the same exact or broadly similar thing. I see that as directly challenging the person's overall claim and asking the person to reconcile the disconnect. Like if someone is saying "the Republicans want to drown kittens" and the Democrats also voted for their own bill to drown kittens or never stopped drowning kittens after the Republicans started to the person is just being incoherent. It's often valid to suspect the partisan will try to make some kind of explanation that one is actually good or how it was out of their hands and that can help you to realize a dead end discussion. Stuff like how the capital gains tax rate has never gone back up after Clinton and the Republicans cut it in 1997 or how Gitmo still seems to be open.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2022, 10:47:21 PM
I've been pleasantly surprised at some of the things he's done given the weak position he's in (50+1 senate, inflation, etc). Biden being such a heavy union supporter (overall) wasn't on my bingo list. Flip side there have been some laughable fuck ups on the legal end of things, and the feet dragging on student loans was idiotic and likely hurt the economy.
I'm the liberal guy who gets shit on for laughing at leftists and socialists but I've never been some dem slappy.
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2022, 11:05:23 PM
Bill Clinton's 19 days is second because of those fucking pardons on the way out. :lol
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2022, 11:48:55 PM
And yet virtually every post you make is this weird collection of Fox News primal screams and cheerleading. I would have dismissed it if not for it following the pattern of literally the last decade plus of you jumping from one obsession to another. Where you become extremely passionate about something on a surface level and it becomes your personality until the next New Thing arrives. In this case it just landed on something I find to be odious. I'm an accountant, so if we were discussing the merits of higher or lower taxes - or monetary policies, or finance etc - I'd be cool with that even if we were in complete disagreement. But the conservative things that animate you tend to boil down to...Q-adjacent delusions (gay/trans stuff is a demonic agenda), immigration and Fox News talking points (inflation). That's corny to me.
Literally in the span of our last few convos on twitter, before my recent return to The Bore, you went from being trans to being a dude focused on performative masculinity and attracting/marrying a submissive woman. What are we doing here fam.
You're right. Virtually every post lately has been Fox News cheerleading. I can't help it! :lol They hate me so much I can't help but continue. :lol
But since we are old friends I feel like I can talk to you and not these people. I'll make you a long, serious post once I'm free.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2022, 12:05:50 AM
Remember that first debate that Biden attended during the primaries, where candidate after candidate took weird swings at Obama, and Biden by association. To me that marked the clear takeover of democrat messaging by younger aides and advisers who were completely consumed by twitter-brain. No matter how much Elon and others claim Twitter is the public square for humans, less than 30% of Americans use it. In the real world, Obama was and remains pretty damn popular. On leftist twitter, Obama is a neolib loser who never got anything done (beyond using drones to murder brown people).
Just wild to see republicans completely beholden to Trump irl and online, vs democrats becoming this leaderless herd obsessed with every twitter grief issue that regular people don't care about. Just as an example, the last few months of "cars are bad, public transportation spending needs to increase, get rid of parking lots etc" stuff. You can certainly build a coalition behind "we need better public transportation" but good luck getting Americans to care about your weird anti-car shit. Yet I see that daily from Noteworthy Liberal/Leftist People On Twitter.
Biden basically won a primary by saying "I like Obama and unions" and nobody got the message.
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2022, 12:18:27 AM
Just say you want Black, brown, uterus-having, LGBT and disabled bodies to die, PD. Our democracy is literally at stake and you're worrying about cars. :social2
Post by: Himu on October 30, 2022, 12:42:49 AM
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1586494196117958656
Remember that first debate that Biden attended during the primaries, where candidate after candidate took weird swings at Obama, and Biden by association. To me that marked the clear takeover of democrat messaging by younger aides and advisers who were completely consumed by twitter-brain. No matter how much Elon and others claim Twitter is the public square for humans, less than 30% of Americans use it. In the real world, Obama was and remains pretty damn popular. On leftist twitter, Obama is a neolib loser who never got anything done (beyond using drones to murder brown people).
Just wild to see republicans completely beholden to Trump irl and online, vs democrats becoming this leaderless herd obsessed with every twitter grief issue that regular people don't care about. Just as an example, the last few months of "cars are bad, public transportation spending needs to increase, get rid of parking lots etc" stuff. You can certainly build a coalition behind "we need better public transportation" but good luck getting Americans to care about your weird anti-car shit. Yet I see that daily from Noteworthy Liberal/Leftist People On Twitter.
Biden basically won a primary by saying "I like Obama and unions" and nobody got the message.
See? I agree with pretty much all of this. The Democratic Party has been consumed by the Twitter addled re re's. This is central to my story. What you don't realize is I'm reacting progressivism.
Post by: Transhuman on October 30, 2022, 12:52:43 AM
Post by: Himu on October 30, 2022, 01:54:49 AM
And yet virtually every post you make is this weird collection of Fox News primal screams and cheerleading. I would have dismissed it if not for it following the pattern of literally the last decade plus of you jumping from one obsession to another. Where you become extremely passionate about something on a surface level and it becomes your personality until the next New Thing arrives. In this case it just landed on something I find to be odious. I'm an accountant, so if we were discussing the merits of higher or lower taxes - or monetary policies, or finance etc - I'd be cool with that even if we were in complete disagreement. But the conservative things that animate you tend to boil down to...Q-adjacent delusions (gay/trans stuff is a demonic agenda), immigration and Fox News talking points (inflation). That's corny to me.
Literally in the span of our last few convos on twitter, before my recent return to The Bore, you went from being trans to being a dude focused on performative masculinity and attracting/marrying a submissive woman. What are we doing here fam.
New York City changed me.
I used to have a bleeding heart. It beat hard, vomiting so much red that I could paint with the world with it. I truly care about other people and always have. It's the characteristic that made me a progressive to begin with and yet, surprisingly, is the characteristic that made me conservative. I've realized my heart doesn't have to bleed to beat.
I'm originally from Texas. But then I moved to Brooklyn, NY in the pandemic. Living in Texas and identifying as a Progressive is like living in a bubble. You haven't really had your views battle tested. You can go around prancing about talking about Republicans are wrong without having your viewpoints directly challenged because you do not live in the government or type of environment you crave. So imagine my shock when I finally moved to a blue city in a blue state. At first Ioved it and I felt I was finally home - feet kicked back. But then trouble brewed. Have an opinion that went against left orthodoxy. Everything was framed from some Twitter oriented perspective.
I began to notice a pattern. Post an article by someone a leftist or liberal disagreed with and they'd remind me that oh,"that's written by Glenn Greenwald." It didn't matter what Glenn said in that particular article or tweet. The person himself was poison and never capable of saying anything of substance. As if an entire person, flesh and blood, and was declared anathema, and never given due diligence no matter how wrong or right he was. The person himself was crossed off. It's not just Glenn Greenwald. I could any assortment of journalists or writers to prove this point.
That's one thing, but the left always takes it further and shames you for daring to share the same opinion or even sharing the article to begin with.
Groups always have a pressure to conform. Even conservatives do in a way. But left politics takes this further because they argue their conformity from a position of morality.
If you're not wearing a mask you're a super spreader. A murderer.
If you're not vaccinated you're a murderer.
If you are vaccinated and think it's important to be but think people should be allowed to choose (me) you're an anti-vaxxer and a murderer by extension.
If you're not vaccinated you earn the right to lose your livelihood.
At the start of this I expressed how much I deeply care about others and it shocked me how the very people that said they care about workers, poor people, and the most vulnerable seemingly didn't.
I learned that liberal moralism isn't about the value of the virtue. It's about control in the guise of safety. New York subways are full of mask signage. One has two umasked people talking with a label reading "worst"; further down two masked riders are chatting and it's labeled "better"; the final two riders aren't talking, they're reading a book or staring at a phone - it's labeled "best." Control. Even the suggestion of wearing masks isn't enough. No, you have to suggest behavior as well even if it's something that has nothing to do with safety. Control.
If you can't tell, I really, really disliked the New Yorker (and therefore Dem) response to Covid. Seeing businesses shuttered because they weren't allowed to be open because they were forced to operate at 20% capacity or be closed for months on end was the first domino in how I started to view Democratic policy. It was a huge contrast because one time I time flew in to Texas for Thanksgiving and we were allowed inside the coffee shop and live life normally and there weren't capacity numbers or being forced to show an ID just to do something normal. I particularly found the disconnect between Dems saying they're pro-worker while also operating on policy like this. It was like a massive case of cognitive dissonance for me.
For months New Yorkers had to show vaccination proof to do things inside despite having mask mandates. But, I thought masks protect and stop the spread? My ex-partner and I couldn't go to the zoo and fully enjoy each other because the zoo insisted that indoor exhibits required vaccination proof. She was unvaccinated. I am vaccinated. We couldn't even go on a coffee shop date because coffee shops would require vaccination proof to sit inside. All of this despite New York City having a vaccination rate of nearly 80% and yet despite that had high numbers during Omicron at the height COVID Theatre. Control.
The left is completely unable to admit when they're wrong even while moralizing about it.
This goes further than the pandemic. My photography mentor on July 4th told me,"we don't celebrate that here" to shame me for going out and take photos of Independence Day. We are both black. Control through peer pressure. Fall in line. As a corollary, I dislike equity and how so much is being given to black and brown people as if we are incapable of working hard.
Look at the new Democrat take on climate change policy. Oh, you can't have the choice of driving a traditional gas-powered car. They have shame you with a full on anti-car perspective even if your livelihood revolves around the very conceit of cars. They force their perspective onto the entire population and enact this with actual policy, limiting options. Progressives in NYC protested to have natural gas removed from new NYC buildings. California has said it will make it illegal to sell fossil fuel cars by the year 2035. Illegal. Control.
Liberals and progressives routinely strip people of their individuality.
My time in grad school pretty much changed my entire perspective on individualism vs collectivism. The progressives would brow beat and were obsessed with inserting identity politics into every single conversation or solution. You and I talked about this and how this impacts art. It's a big part of my shift: seeing the dangers of collective thought which strips people of their individuality absence their identity.
I moved to Brooklyn because I truly believed in something and had a dream. Lots of liberals told me I'd fail, that there's no hope. I found over and over again how little they believe in themselves much less the American promise. I'd sit gazing at the Brooklyn Bridge in all of its majesty, hopeful of a better life. When I mentioned how the bridge inspired me to fellow progressives and socialists they'd just mention how people died building it in the name of profit. Even symbols don't make them dream harder. They were unable to picture a world without clutching for vials of victimization and never gave a second thought to instead lift themselves up. Yet despite the left cries I got it. I achieved everything I came to New York for. Our country wasn't built on mediocrity, wearing pajamas to work, or excuse making. It was built on grit, sacrifice, and hard work in the hopes of a better life. Given all of their excuse making I question what the left even lives for. Certainly not hope. This is perfectly articulated by the way in which so many black people I know cry about how America lacks opportunity when we have full on immigrants coming here and the next generation becoming huge successes and finding opportunity underneath damn rocks. Through life experience, I became more practical and reasoned to take good points about the system and rather than feel I was owed.
It was a complete change in mindset and it was really rewarding in terms of how I saw myself.
You can see some of that mindset here in this Black Conservative vs Black Liberals video. In NYC I noticed everyone and their mother was overly concerned with being some victim, especially black people. They relished it. Fear was their main modus operandi and highly risk averse despite the fact that reward does not come without risk. Notice that the black conservatives in the video tend to be more well to do, hard working, and positive they can do shit. I just noticed a change in my perspective as I gained confidence in what I was doing versus my peers and their mindset. The liberals in the video are obsessed with victimization. Imagine dealing with that every day. This was extremely true in grad school.
https://youtu.be/IVIoC5ROaHk
Once I started to notice my mindset change I never really looked back and embraced it. I simply do not think that the liberalism of the Democratic Party is good for our community any longer. End of. You can disagree with that. Liberalism is pacifying and weakens communities. That's my conclusion. Feel free to disagree.
Then there's the actual liberal policies like taxes. Paying all those taxes in NYC when I realized I didn't have to really put me in the low taxes group. Having all that money come out of my check made me feel like a sucker. At the same time I still have views that go against conservative orthodoxy like support for universal healthcare. I'm even willing to pay a higher (high-ER, not necessarily high) tax for it despite hating high taxes. Personally, I do not consider Universal healthcare to even be against conservative thinking or values. Even Japan, a nationalistic and conservative country, has universal healthcare. I just think it's obvious. So I'm still not a Republican partisan either.
I thought I was trans because I was sexually abused and emotionally abused. In my pain, I ended up thinking I wasn't that much of a man. So I reasoned I wasn't one. Detransitioning has been an adventure. By detransitioning I've been learning what it means to be a man. In the process I've hurt a lot of people as I've tried to figure that, including many here. I'm sorry for that. I've been going through therapy for Childhood PTSD and trauma and it's been helping a lot and I've fallen into a confident stride where I no longer feel the need to conform to anyone else's definition of masculinity but myself. In that confidence, I've really gained and embraced a certain self sufficiency. A year ago as I was reeling from the mental fatigue of my traumas I was really mad at women. I've let that anger go, and forgiven the women that hurt me. Letting go of that really helped me a lot.
There's so much to unpack here and I've focused on a lot so these thoughts are scattered. But I haven't even mentioned their stances toward children and gender/sexuality issues. As a detransitioner you should probably picture why I would disagree with children being taught trans ideology. Their distaste for guns and self defense. You can say,"not all Democrats are anti-gun, but the Democratic Party overwhelmingly tend to trend anti-gun. Their getting in bed with corporations while at the same time wailing about corporate greed. The fact that none of their fiscal ideas work. That they spend billions on social programs with little return or people actually get out of poverty. Over the past year I've talked about how NYC had a huge homeless issue despite the fact we paid 3-4 billion in taxes to help this issue not get solved. The liberals/progressives here gave me opposing viewpoints I simply disagreed with. I greatly dislike how the Democrats misuse my money especially in programs like that. It seems as if so much of Democratic strategy tends to be the solution of "let's throw money at it" ad nauseum. Democrats, as they are now, make America weak and I do not think leftist policies work.
On the issues:
Taxes - Taxes should be low or medium. I even hate Texas' high property taxes.
Medical - Universal healthcare should be a human right. A public option should always be available.
Equity - No.
Abortion - Legal, safe, and rare.
Drug War - End it.
Social Media and first amendment - Let people say what they want.
Guns - Let the people shoot.
Bootstraps - Yes.
Leftists - Ew.
TLDR - Midwest is the American holy land. I considered Michigan but now I'm considering Indiana. After my stint in NYC I never want to live in a city ever again. I've fallen in love with the safety of the suburbs. I still love NYC. I just don't want to live there. I realized that I had become what I always hated: a 2000's Democrat, but that party is dead. I feel without a party. I lean libertarian but that party is crazy and I'm not a pure libertarian either. You could say,"Not all Dems are like this!!!" and that's true, but you can't ignore the overwhelming shift in their policy and rhetoric and they're refusing to back away from it. Look at Beto O'Rourke and his campaign. He campaigns like a Californian in Texas. Even he doesn't back away. A big part of the reason I'm rooting for GOP to rout them is for Dems to backtrack from progressivism.
Post by: Himu on October 30, 2022, 09:04:23 AM
A lot of my positioning revolves around the idea of strength. I respect what's strong. I do not respect what's weak.
Why does this matter? The black community in America is only 12-13% of the American population. At one point, despite being literal second class citizens, pushed to the margins in a Jim Crow America we made our own stuff. There is a historicity of being strong in our community, Phoenix. Slaves? Join the Union and fight for your freedom. Look up the story of Robert Smalls. We fought for our own freedom. Not allowed to go to university? Fuck that, we made our own. Spelman, Morehouse, Howard are nationally recognized universities and there's more. The likes of MLK were educated in those systems, who attended Morehouse. When we decided to end segregation after the experiences of a desegregated Europe and Asia in WWII, we forced the literal laws of this country to change once again. The Black Panther Party needs no introduction. Strength allows the ability for a smaller minority to have power, self confidence, and independence. Through the sacrifices of our ancestors and their strength you and I both experience tremendous reward.
Can you really say the modern liberal thought is strong, Phoenix? Its idea of independence is turning traditionally white fictional characters black rather than creating your own black characters. In a way, by turning Ariel black you're just borrowing power - temporarily - through capitalistic forces. The only reason they change Ariel's race or this characters race is because they view diversity to be profitable. What happens when it suddenly isn't considered to be profitable? Oopsie. Less black faces in art.
The collectivism in modern liberal/progressive politics is bad for the black community because it creates a narrative of victimization so high it makes people think success is impossible. It goes completely against the tradition of strength in our community and turns what was once a highly forward minded people into lap dogs for the political left.
Everything is seen through the lens of identity politics.
Biden just said airline fees harm "people of color". I cannot think of a single person, regardless of race, that likes airline fees.
https://abcnews4.com/amp/news/nation-world/biden-claims-hidden-airline-fees-disproportionately-affect-people-of-color-president-joe-low-income-marginalized-junk-airplane-flight-cost-money
When does this type of rhetoric end up being seen as pacifying? Weak? It's not aspirational in any way. It doesn't improve my life. It just turns society into a giant victim circus. It helps the black community remain weak and forever suckled to the teet of government. It is a betrayal of the independence our ancestors fought for, and an insult to the self respect they strove to achieve.
I personally find it insulting.
By contrast, the conservative ethos is one of individualism, making your own way, having your own voice. I find it far more empowering. I find it strong and what is needed. Look at immigrant Africans and Carribbean black folks. They're some of the most hardest working people I know and they make zero excuses for themselves. I also don't find it a coincidence that they're extremely conservative, even when voting Democrat, they still have a pro-American, we can do it mindset. What we've got now in our community will not promote a healthy and strong black community that has its own independence. I think voting Republican can help promote that.
I think the mindset of conservatives is needed in our community and what is best for it. At the end of the day only the strong survive. Strength is right.
Post by: Himu on October 30, 2022, 09:23:25 AM
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Post by: Mupepe on October 30, 2022, 09:41:27 AM
Post by: Himu on October 30, 2022, 10:01:07 AM
https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1586494196117958656
Remember that first debate that Biden attended during the primaries, where candidate after candidate took weird swings at Obama, and Biden by association. To me that marked the clear takeover of democrat messaging by younger aides and advisers who were completely consumed by twitter-brain. No matter how much Elon and others claim Twitter is the public square for humans, less than 30% of Americans use it. In the real world, Obama was and remains pretty damn popular. On leftist twitter, Obama is a neolib loser who never got anything done (beyond using drones to murder brown people).
Just wild to see republicans completely beholden to Trump irl and online, vs democrats becoming this leaderless herd obsessed with every twitter grief issue that regular people don't care about. Just as an example, the last few months of "cars are bad, public transportation spending needs to increase, get rid of parking lots etc" stuff. You can certainly build a coalition behind "we need better public transportation" but good luck getting Americans to care about your weird anti-car shit. Yet I see that daily from Noteworthy Liberal/Leftist People On Twitter.
Biden basically won a primary by saying "I like Obama and unions" and nobody got the message.
Oh my God. The Obama video. That's what I'm talking about. That strength of character, the will to do attitude, the positive self assertion and belief - emphasis, belief - that you can work hard and get turned into diamond through nothing but grit and hard work. THAT is what I respect. The modern Democratic party topples over itself to be the next victim. People in fucking GRAD SCHOOL, a position of privilege, found anything possible to complain about despite being handed wonderful opportunities to make something happen.
Post by: Nintex on October 30, 2022, 10:33:19 AM
Who's got your backs? That's right the guy that bailed out the banks and greenlit their plan to evict you from your homes.
Who's got your backs? The guy that used big tech to collect all your personal data for his campaigns.
Who's got your backs? The guy that handed Crimea to Putin.
Who's got your backs? The guy that toured the entire Middle East to promote Democracy in stable yet autocratic countries and then threw the protestors under the bus.
Who's got your backs? The guy that told you there was lead in all the water and you shouldn't complain about it.
Post by: Beezy on October 30, 2022, 11:38:41 AM
By contrast, the conservative ethos is one of individualism, making your own way, having your own voice. I find it far more empowering. I find it strong and what is needed. Look at immigrant Africans and Carribbean black folks. They're some of the most hardest working people I know and they make zero excuses for themselves. I also don't find it a coincidence that they're extremely conservative, even when voting Democrat, they still have a pro-American, we can do it mindset.Yet you say you were changed by NYC, which is filled with the people you mention probably more than any other US city. When you lived here, were you spending most of your time with the many white midwestern transplants who've made BK their home over the past decade?
Post by: who is ted danson? on October 30, 2022, 11:53:58 AM
Obama's act still works. :lol
Who's got your backs? That's right the guy that bailed out the banks and greenlit their plan to evict you from your homes.
Who's got your backs? The guy that used big tech to collect all your personal data for his campaigns.
Who's got your backs? The guy that handed Crimea to Putin.
Who's got your backs? The guy that toured the entire Middle East to promote Democracy in stable yet autocratic countries and then threw the protestors under the bus.
Who's got your backs? The guy that told you there was lead in all the water and you shouldn't complain about it.
Still love this clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZynkD3N_k
Post by: Himu on October 30, 2022, 01:30:21 PM
By contrast, the conservative ethos is one of individualism, making your own way, having your own voice. I find it far more empowering. I find it strong and what is needed. Look at immigrant Africans and Carribbean black folks. They're some of the most hardest working people I know and they make zero excuses for themselves. I also don't find it a coincidence that they're extremely conservative, even when voting Democrat, they still have a pro-American, we can do it mindset.Yet you say you were changed by NYC, which is filled with the people you mention probably more than any other US city. When you lived here, were you spending most of your time with the many white midwestern transplants who've made BK their home over the past decade?
Nope, Iived in Little Carribbean in Flatbush. My time was spent with Africans, Latino blacks, and black Muslims. Just because they're in NYC doesn't mean they wanna stay. Most of the Muslims I knew wanted out :
After NYC I went to Dearborn, MI. Among the biggest Muslim population in America. NYC doesn't own immigrants just because it's a popular destination and not all Midwesterners are white.
Post by: Himu on October 30, 2022, 01:37:05 PM
Obama's act still works. :lol
Who's got your backs? That's right the guy that bailed out the banks and greenlit their plan to evict you from your homes.
Who's got your backs? The guy that used big tech to collect all your personal data for his campaigns.
Who's got your backs? The guy that handed Crimea to Putin.
Who's got your backs? The guy that toured the entire Middle East to promote Democracy in stable yet autocratic countries and then threw the protestors under the bus.
Who's got your backs? The guy that told you there was lead in all the water and you shouldn't complain about it.
Yeah, Obama is the type of politician that says one thing but then has a completely different mindset. He's a great orator and it's easy to get sucked into his crap. He likes using force to shove down his agendas despite his image of a softie. I do not like Obama but you must admit that the speech was good and the polar opposite of the usual modern Dem victimizing squelch.
Post by: Occam on October 30, 2022, 01:46:19 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 30, 2022, 02:03:48 PM
I like how even the headline: "Obama drinks flint water" is fake :lolObama's act still works. :lol
Who's got your backs? That's right the guy that bailed out the banks and greenlit their plan to evict you from your homes.
Who's got your backs? The guy that used big tech to collect all your personal data for his campaigns.
Who's got your backs? The guy that handed Crimea to Putin.
Who's got your backs? The guy that toured the entire Middle East to promote Democracy in stable yet autocratic countries and then threw the protestors under the bus.
Who's got your backs? The guy that told you there was lead in all the water and you shouldn't complain about it.
Still love this clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZynkD3N_k
Post by: Himu on October 30, 2022, 02:06:43 PM
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2022, 10:40:17 PM
As a guy who spent nearly a decade in corporate security where millions of dollars were poured into it I’ll say - security is mostly a show to make people feel safe. It’s designed to detect the obvious and stereotypical security threats. It’s always the weird folks who make no efforts to actually elude security to pull off strange stunts that make it past. A question I’ll never forget that I had to help answer “how did we miss a dozen topless protesters walking through a gate and across campus in the middle of the day?!”The government will admit this is true for them too from time to time. The politicians don't, it'd undermine their entire purpose, but the actual people tasked with it will.
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2022, 11:05:05 PM
Strength vs weaknessIt's somewhat of a category error to assume that this is so easily determined though. Take your complaint about victimhood, you argue this is weakness. But it's not in a culture that rewards weakness which is the very purpose of the progressive stack, the subaltern, lived experiences, identity politics, etc. They argue that the victim status should prioritize people, then they argue that victim status should able to be claimed by anyone. This empowers those willing to claim victim status at all times.
A lot of my positioning revolves around the idea of strength. I respect what's strong. I do not respect what's weak.
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I think the mindset of conservatives is needed in our community and what is best for it. At the end of the day only the strong survive. Strength is right.
Look at one of your pet concerns, trans issues. It's now pregnant person, ACLU rewriting RBG quotes and demanding books be destroyed, claims of genocide when women claim womenhood as exclusive to females, etc. You yourself claim that the "gay agenda" has taken over everything. How is this not strength? Shouldn't you support them since they're constantly displaying strength? Instead you reject their strength and align with conservative weakness, appealing to select friendly states and locals to protect you from the all-powerful agenda.
If you want to make concrete claims and establish simplistic principles you have to logically extend and analyze them. I can make categorical and general claims that less state is good and more state is bad because my position as an anarchist is that the state is inherently bad, there's never any contradiction because I'm willing to stick to the moral claim underlying the entire thing. ("Ah but benji, you support UBI and universal emergency health insurance (not Medicare4All) so this is CURIOUS?" This is because I believe humans experience linear time.) If you want to establish strength as your principle then you need to outline what would be strength from let's call it a veil of ignorance (lol Rawls) rather than go through things in the current state and declare things semi-randomly to be strength or weakness then announce that all your picks just happen to align perfectly with strength. You started to approach this as you turned towards individualism but I think it doesn't speak to strength being relative and to many people that means the power they can wield in society, collectivist ideologies (progressivism, Trumpism, etc.) deceive because they claim by submitting your individuality to The People you will have more power since you will be aligned with society. (Something that becomes a tautology in systems like communism where any opposition is outlawed and considered treasonous.)
Post by: Himu on October 31, 2022, 02:45:45 AM
It's true that the collectivist ideologies contain certain societal dominance but dominance does not necessarily equal to strength. In my experience it is not people who support these ideologies that gain real, hard power sans grift (Black Lives Matter, Nikole Hannah-Jones;etc.). When I speak of power and strength I speak of self empowerment too. Not just hard power that is quantifiable. I, as an individual, deserve to have my opinions and individuality respected. I am more than a black person, or someone of my class, sex, or my religion. Where collectivist ideologies stray is when they exert their power on the individual. The human, always seeking his own freedom, will reject the collectivist thought. Essentially, a collective without individualism is inherently self defeating no matter what strength they happen to convey and the human spirit will always burn to rebel against it.
Take progressive thought. They currently are transforming the Democratic Party and politics in general. You could, as you've surmised, posit that they have cultural power and therefore are strong. But they also present their ideas as the only solution.and despite their clinging to the doors of their own orthodoxy, they experience loss after loss after loss because of their unwillingness to compromise. Despite gaining in popularity with a subset of people they aren't truly politically strong. No one is running out to buy EVs besides a small number of rich people. Parents are openly backlashing against Critical Race Theory and sexual/gender politics being shoved into schools to the point where entire states such as Virginia are flipping to reject progressivism. It's a niche. Just because they're loud doesn't make them strong.
There is a case to be made for collectivist framework among groups of people. A big part of the reason Asian-Americans and African Americans (actual Africans) are so successful is because of their tight knit communities. The same is true for Jewish communities. I've experienced the same within Islamic communities. So there's a case to be made for some soft collectivism and looking out for your own. The trouble is when this collectivism turns into a form idolatry of the self, whether in a racial or gender lens. While those that paint themselves as victims are certainly gaining a certain clout rewarded for their identity that's mostly within their own communities. In the real world where they lack hard power, they are weak and aren't progressing to self sufficiency the way others are. The people I know the most well off, the most free, are those that worked their asses off in the pursuit of the belief of their own abilities. The others merely complain.
And as progressivism increases in popularity notice too that people are more comfortable being mediocre. Progressivism helps promote a weak society. Yes, they might have social clout within their sphere but culture is also stagnant because it doesn't instill a culture of risk. Covid and its aftermath being a great example. Through their fear of Covid progressives and liberals have caused delay in children. Overuse of masks in schools has delayed these children's educations. Kids are stumbling with reading and are said to be years behind in schooling. Overly coddled children leads to weaker children, and an overly coddled society that overly relies on government, the collective, or the group leads to a weak society.
No matter what you say about this man's legacy or the fact he made the government larger during his tenure as President, the idea still sticks with me.
https://youtu.be/3IlcDvXaUCw
Fuck big government. Thanks for opening my eyes Covid and NYC. I agree with your suppositions of the state.
That being said, your post is something I can consider. I simply do not find making yourself an endless victim to be self empowering. On the contrary, I find it to be very pathetic.
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You started to approach this as you turned towards individualism but I think it doesn't speak to strength being relative and to many people that means the power they can wield in society, collectivist ideologies (progressivism, Trumpism, etc.) deceive because they claim by submitting your individuality to The People you will have more power since you will be aligned with society.
Please rephrase.
Also, I do not want to live in the Midwest to get away from progressives. I could stay in Texas and do that. I want cheap living, access to good education for my future family, four seasons, and down to Earth culture.
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Look at one of your pet concerns, trans issues. It's now pregnant person, ACLU rewriting RBG quotes and demanding books be destroyed, claims of genocide when women claim womenhood as exclusive to females, etc. You yourself claim that the "gay agenda" has taken over everything. How is this not strength? Shouldn't you support them since they're constantly displaying strength? Instead you reject their strength and align with conservative weakness, appealing to select friendly states and locals to protect you from the all-powerful agenda.
This is true. There's more to this world than strength, though. There's also right and wrong. Morals. And "birthing people", letting men take over or speak for women, and refashioning women's quotes to fit narratives is morally wrong as it strips women of their womanhood. It is true that by my own virtue of valuing the strong I should support them and they definitely are strong politically, but it doesn't make them right or remove the fact that personally they can crater to weakness under any hint of criticism. Even Chappelle Netflix specials and Cyberpunk is too much but despite their protests they've managed to change not a single thing,. They're just loud, and their loudness will merely just result in tired people sick of outrage. Their "strength" is limited.
Post by: Nintex on October 31, 2022, 02:40:36 PM
But how RADICAL are things? Did they poll that?
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1587135687291277314 (https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1587135687291277314)
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Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2022, 04:58:42 PM
Post by: Mupepe on October 31, 2022, 05:30:19 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2022, 06:53:25 PM
There are things that I am pretty out of bounds on, when it comes to normal liberal discourse or views. I'm a feminist, yet truly believe intersectional feminism is brain poison that is largely the crux of much of the stupid discourse in this country. People, mainly white women, collecting badges of victimhood in order to deflect or neutralize their white privilege. There are also aspects of the trans debate that trouble me, however I fully support their rights. Finally yes, identity politics ties back to the intersectional issue when it comes to conditioning multi billion dollar corporations to appeal to victimhood to sell you a product. We talk way more about that than prevent monopolies, corporate tax rates, etc. It's certainly a clever trick of deflection though, and clever marketing.
I will say this. Democrats have leaned more into twitter reality than real reality. One of the reasons Fetterman was doing so well - before the stroke symptoms became more prominent - was due to focusing on shit most people care about. Minimum wage, more local jobs, preventing politicians from buying stock, legalizing weed, etc. Going back to Obama, he actually did decent with rural voters compared to Hillary or Biden. He didn't get wiped out in most counties and districts that he lost. I remember him saying there's a big difference between losing a county by 40 points and losing it by 20 points, and a lot of it boils down to showing up in person. You're not gonna win, but the goal is to not get blown the fuck out. A major reason Hillary lost is because she completely wrote those people off. Biden got back to Obama's approach, although certainly not as effective (pandemic, being an old dude who didn't campaign as much, etc).
Long story short democrats would rather run up the score with demographics they expect to be blue, than to mitigate and neutralize losses on the other side. I'm not a moderate so I'm not calling for moderation. Instead my argument is that...if your entire demographic math push boils down to trying to get Hispanic voters to vote in a bloc like black voters, you're fucked. They're miscalculating what Hispanic voters want, and they're miscalculating what black voters want to be frank. Ironically Biden has at least put points on the board with regards to shit young voters care about.
Post by: Nintex on October 31, 2022, 07:31:12 PM
He can't retire until the other Democrats sort their shit out.
Kamala dropped out as one of the first in the primary because she had no support and the Biden bump at least gets her to lose only single digits against Trump in current match-ups.
A gap of about 7 or 8 points that she could overcome if she plays her cards right. We've seen Republicans close those type of gaps over the past few months.
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2022, 07:45:14 PM
Watching a nuke detonate while holding hands with his child bride is pretty evil tho.Well, I mean, I don't know that he's the one who set off the nuke. Innocent until proven guilty, Jack.
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2022, 07:49:58 PM
Kamala dropped out as one of the first in the primary because she had no support and the Biden bump at least gets her to lose only single digits against Trump in current match-ups.That's just Generic Democrat polling two years out. Kamala's problem is the primary, most any mainstream Democrat will be competitive within the margin of error.
A gap of about 7 or 8 points that she could overcome if she plays her cards right. We've seen Republicans close those type of gaps over the past few months.
Post by: Himu on October 31, 2022, 07:57:31 PM
"I like strength and don't like weakness" is pretty standard fascist fair. You also want to go back to the good old days too, I reckon...
Lol Okay. :lol
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2022, 08:41:13 PM
Post by: Uncle on October 31, 2022, 08:51:41 PM
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2022, 09:20:52 PM
I have no idea how she survives in the party being a tough-on-crime police advocate with a bunch of footage of her laughing about all the kinds of people she incarceratedFACT CHECK: Cops are based actually:
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1586910629729804288
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2022, 09:30:50 PM
https://twitter.com/JRSterne/status/1587081933896425473
https://twitter.com/danic_98/status/1587045577463922695
fringe elements
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Post by: Himu on November 01, 2022, 12:53:28 AM
Post by: Himu on November 01, 2022, 01:10:29 AM
As per someone else's words:
Yeah, no.. While many of us said "we don't know, so let us make our own choices," there were some who felt compulsion was the correct choice. You don't get to make our lives hell, ruin the global economy, and just make everything worse for two years and then say we should "forgive each other."
Also the Biden admin still considers Covid an "emergency". Luls.
Post by: Nintex on November 01, 2022, 04:09:06 AM
Election season is wild:With 120 million Soros is by far the biggest Dem donor and single biggest donor this cycle. Not even the paypal maffia can keep up. Palmer Luckey got cancelled for way less.
https://twitter.com/JRSterne/status/1587081933896425473
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https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1587139110292029445 (https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1587139110292029445)
Still I doubt this. As history has shown people often don't show up at the polls.
Post by: Himu on November 01, 2022, 07:20:33 AM
Haha!
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Democrats scramble to avert shock Senate loss in Washington state
Incumbent Patty Murray’s support has slipped in recent weeks, prompting outside groups to pour in millions to prevent a sleeper victory by Republican Tiffany Smiley.
Democrats are adding millions in television spending to boost Sen. Patty Murray, a sign that the party is employing a take-no-chances approach even in solidly blue Washington state.
The 30-year veteran of the Senate is facing a challenge from Republican Tiffany Smiley, a political newcomer whose campaign has seized on quality-of-life issues, from urban crime and homelessness to inflation, to tarnish Murray. In recent public polling, Smiley has closed a sizable gap since this summer, when Murray led by 18 percentage points in an 18-candidate, all-party primary.
A Seattle Times poll released last week showed Murray slipping slightly, from 51 percent in a July survey to 49 percent now, with Smiley’s support increasing from 33 percent this summer to 41 percent now. The poll also finds that Smiley has improved with independents in the state, capturing 50 percent of their support to Murray’s 34 percent.
The national political environment currently favors Republicans in the midterms, and the fact that Democrats are spending to shore up an incumbent in a solidly blue state is not a good sign for them.
“It doesn’t surprise me that this race has tightened,” said Alex Glass, a Democratic strategist based in the state who noted voters still weren’t paying close attention to the race over the summer.
I pray to God it tightens further.
Stray comment:
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Issue #1 is crime. The state Democrats have been terrible on crime in the last half decade. Seattle has become a shithole of homeless drug addicts that openly use on the street without repercussion. Vagrant camps have been put up around schools. It is not uncommon to see needles and human feces on the ground when you walk around downtown Seattle. Recently an 18 month old child OD’d on a loose fentanyl pill found at playground.
Washington has been a one party state for so long that the Democrats own all of these failures. Furthermore, the progressive wing of the party has actively exacerbated the problem. From CHOP/CHAZ and the “summer of love”of 2020 to the recent state crime reform bill that makes it impossible for police on the streets to actually do their jobs to running a legitimate police abolitionist for city prosecutor, the state Democratic Party has been associated with being weak on crime.
All of this plays into Tiffany Smiley’s adds which have been hammering Murray on crime. Granted, none of the above is Murray’s fault, but a significant number of voters are tired of the Democratic Party being beholden to the most progressive of voices in the state and are looking to punish the party.
Political punishment should happen more often. One party completely owning a state is dumb dumb, whether blue or red. You need checks and you need balances. Democrats need to lose power to humble them push them to the right to force them to be more reasonable. Kind of like letting a kid touch an oven to realize they burn. Or telling your kid,"if someone hits you hit them back" to teach the other kid a good lesson in boundaries. If Dems don't get it, continue to punish them until they finally do and you get the government you want. Likewise, states like Texas are in serious need of reasonable blue representation to offset the Republicans heterodox of Tejas politic. This is why flip states are actually the smartest states and why flip voters are actually the smartest voters. Partisans are r-etards.
Luls.
Here's to a few upsets rocking the boat of progressives and their God awful policy. Here's hoping for a decade of conservatives rule. Cheers.
Post by: Himu on November 01, 2022, 07:41:21 AM
And now look. 27% of the police force quit in Seattle because of mandates.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/harrell-proposes-new-hiring-incentives-for-seattle-police-aims-to-add-500-officers-in-next-5-years/
Actions have consequences. Dems need punishment for their love of crime, for their love of authority and control. I want the Washington and Oregon upset. *rubs hands* but I won't be shocked if those partisans still stick with their one party rule. Let's see if PNW people are smarter than Californians. If the Dems in the PNW can't be outsed you will see more people leaving those states because the politics are unchangeable just like California.
For a bunch of so called pro-workers Dumbocrats sure do treat people as expendable. Hypocrites, all the way through. Disgusting. This will only further accelerate the Republican Party as the new party for the working class.
Post by: Himu on November 01, 2022, 08:36:43 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/
As per someone else's words:
Yeah, no.. While many of us said "we don't know, so let us make our own choices," there were some who felt compulsion was the correct choice. You don't get to make our lives hell, ruin the global economy, and just make everything worse for two years and then say we should "forgive each other."
Also the Biden admin still considers Covid an "emergency". Luls.
Ah, some more good, sobering comments.
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Regardless of if various mitigation measures were "worth it" or not (a calculation that is probably far too subjective and based on too much conjecture to ever be resolved), I think it is very hard to overlook the lack of acknowledgement that such measures had some real victims.
As a mother of a daughter who was struggling with addiction during that time, the mitigation measures had a very real and very deadly cost. In person meetings shut down. Many rehabs and detoxes shut down, or had minimal beds available. Further, forced isolation caused by all the shutdowns destroyed the mental health of many, particularly the young.
Our deaths due to despair have skyrocketed (suicides, drug and alcohol deaths). My daughter was one of them. Until I hear a politician acknowledge that they made a trade-off that probably contributed to my daughter's death, it's going to be really hard to move on. We sacrificed the young to save the elderly, and too many pretended that anyone who wasn't 100% on board with this was some evil grandma killer.
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My Uncle died by himself in an isolated hospital room with no visitors or family and was buried with 3 people at his graveside - all because of the policies and procedures put in place by following the data that the author holds so sacred in her virtuous Twitter bio.
And when I dared to even once question any of it..I was at best talked down to and at worst cursed at and lectured by people exactly like Ms. Oster.
So no, I won't be forgiving and forgetting. No one is really to blame you see - it's all "the government's fault" or some other entity that is beyond being held truly accountable.
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Oh my gosh this article is infuriating. They think they deserve no accountability because “we didn’t know.” That’s no excuse. They didn’t even attempt to listen to the other side at all during the pandemic.
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Bingo.q
*"We didn't know!"*
'Well people tried to tell you, you said they were racists and denying science and supported mass murder. Then you cut off their ability to share their views with others, ended their livelihoods, irreparably damaged their mental health, and then fired them if it was even remotely possible.'
*"Yeah, but we didn't know they were -right- or we would've listened to them! Let's call it a draw and go back to being friends??"*
I'm not one for arguments about white privilege- but if there's anything more "white privilege" than an economist from Brown telling people that 'mistakes were made, we should come together now before it's politically inconvenient for me and my friends', I dunno what it is. Imagine thinking you can put a bandage on the gunshot wound that is still festering after shoving a poker in there for 2 years and hope you'll be forgiven.
The audacity of even pitching that outside your group of friends is something you really just will only find in someone who hasn't been questioned by anyone their entire lives outside a thesis defense. Like, it'd never even occur to me to try to gaslight everyone reading The Atlantic as effectively as this woman tries to; because I know I'd never get away with it.
Maybe it's not a racial thing because that's a shitty lens- but maybe it kinda is?
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A entire generation of students had their education stunted. Loved ones died alone and were denied funerals while George Floyd was permitted to have three. Millions of people lost their jobs, first to lockdowns and then to illegal vaccine mandates that were later struck down by the courts. Trust in institutions and experts was destroyed. People who questioned any of this were censored relentlessly by Big Tech while the bullies who called them "plague rats" and "grandma killer" got a free pass. Young children were still forced to wear masks at school well into 2022.
Has any official been fired for their role in this?
Has any official offered a single apology for the amount of trauma they caused?
No.
There cannot be "amnesty" and "moving on" until there is accountability. There is no "moving on" until we make absolutely sure that this can never happen again.
My dad was in the hospital for a month and not allowed visitors during that time because of Covid hospital policy. My family bad to wait a month, not even allowed a Zoom call unless via nurse approval once a week. We were lucky in that we were allowed into his room and let him die around family the night we decided to take him off life support. The damage of Covid policy cannot be minimized.
Post by: Transhuman on November 01, 2022, 09:19:17 AM
Post by: Nintex on November 01, 2022, 04:20:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4vGNShN2Tc
Post by: Himu on November 01, 2022, 04:37:55 PM
Post by: Uncle on November 01, 2022, 04:49:11 PM
Every time a political attack happens or a mass shooting and it's endless probes on the assailants history to see if they were a right wing nazi or a left wing communist. It's pretty tiring.
when was the last good old fashioned unpoliticized mass shooting
Post by: james on November 01, 2022, 04:55:29 PM
Every time a political attack happens or a mass shooting and it's endless probes on the assailants history to see if they were a right wing nazi or a left wing communist. It's pretty tiring.
when was the last good old fashioned unpoliticized mass shooting
Just had the 20 year birthday of these bad boys
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks#Motive
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At the 2006 trial of Muhammad, Malvo testified that the aim of the killing spree was to kidnap children for the purpose of extorting money from the government and to "set up a camp to train children how to terrorize cities," with the ultimate goal being to "shut things down" across the United States
Why cant we go back to how things used to be
Post by: Himu on November 01, 2022, 05:10:11 PM
Every time a political attack happens or a mass shooting and it's endless probes on the assailants history to see if they were a right wing nazi or a left wing communist. It's pretty tiring.
when was the last good old fashioned unpoliticized mass shooting
I'm saying not all mass shootings are political. Dude mowed down kids in Uvalde and there's zero motive that I've seen that points to a particular political motive. Yet after the fact people rushed to classify him as a right winger or a left winger to score political points for their "team".
Post by: Uncle on November 01, 2022, 05:41:29 PM
constant memes, comments and fearmingering across the internet e.g.
(https://i.imgur.com/Bowa0Zg.png)
I'd looked into this previously and it seemed like a whole lot of nothing but I just checked again:
https://www.google.com/search?q=are+republicans+really+trying+to+stop+social+security
the top link I get is washington post debunking it (but they're centrist so you can't trust them I guess), followed by an entire page of more fearmongering
(https://i.imgur.com/NlxhSDS.png)
the wapo article out from under paywall: https://web.archive.org/web/20220927194723/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/
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Now comes the latest iteration of this campaign attack. But it’s just as empty as the previous ones.
The main source of this accusation is a document issued by Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), chair of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which helps elect Republicans to the Senate. In February, Scott released a 60-page “11-point plan to rescue America” that offered 128 proposals.
Buried on Page 38, in a section on government restructuring, was one sentence: “All federal legislation sunsets in 5 years. If a law is worth keeping, Congress can pass it again.”
“Sunset” is inside-the-Beltway lingo. The Congressional Research Service offers this definition: “The sunset concept provides for programs and agencies to terminate automatically on a periodic basis unless explicitly renewed by law.” In theory, then, even a venerable program such as Social Security or Medicare would have to prove its worth all over again every five years, though neither was specifically mentioned.
Scott’s plan was almost immediately rejected by most Senate Republicans. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) was especially harsh.
“We will not have as part of our agenda a bill that raises taxes on half of the American people and sunsets Social Security and Medicare within five years,” McConnell told reporters March 1. “That will not be part of a Republican Senate majority agenda.”
not only that, the guy who supposedly wants to end social security seems to want to save it:
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During an interview with Fox News on March 27, Scott was asked whether his plan could “potentially sunset programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.” He dismissed that as “Democratic talking points” and said his proposal was intended to focus attention on how to deal with potential funding shortfalls in the future.
“No one that I know of wants to sunset Medicare or Social Security, but what we’re doing is we don’t even talk about it. Medicare goes bankrupt in four years. Social Security goes bankrupt in 12 years,” Scott said. “I think we ought to figure out how we preserve those programs. Every program that we care about, we ought to stop and take the time to preserve those programs.”
(It’s beyond the scope of this fact check, but Scott’s “bankrupt” language is exaggerated. Payments would continue but at reduced levels, according to the annual reports issued by the administrators of the programs’ trust funds. As we have noted before, Medicare’s Part A fund has, since 1970, been on the brink of going “broke” — but always manages to stay afloat.)
maybe he's fucking lying and insidiously saying he wants to save it when really given a moment's power over it would ax it immediately?
and there are also fake infographics floating around that claim to represent republican plans regarding social security:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-commitment-america-fake-graphic-727152796030
I don't trust most republican plans or sources, nor do they usually deserve defense or benefit of the doubt, but I'd like to be able to trust...literally anyone
:fbm
I don't even think republicans value social security and probably are looking for ways to screw people out of it or raise the minimum age, I just don't think it's imminent and if it were true would be wildly unpopular even within their base
like come the fuck on, don't pounce on the tiniest thing you think you can exploit to spread FUD
Post by: Himu on November 01, 2022, 05:46:26 PM
Democrats running on an invisible issue they think they can curate for votes is nothing new. Let the liberals fester in their "you hate people!!! :brazilcry" narrative and lose elections. :idont
Post by: james on November 01, 2022, 05:47:42 PM
Post by: Uncle on November 01, 2022, 05:56:07 PM
Im old enough to remember the speaker of the house, whats his name, the guy with the cringe gym photos, running on an "abolish SS" platform
sure but don't seize on one guy's plan, which doesn't even explicitly mention or target social security, which was also rejected by his own base, and according to his own words wants to find a way to stop social security from going bankrupt, and twist this into a major talking point
I mean if republicans are truly against social security then wouldn't going on fox news and talking about how to save it be political suicide?
this lie is all over the internet:
https://twitter.com/TheSWPrincess/status/1584537345784586240
Post by: Himu on November 01, 2022, 06:04:33 PM
Post by: Potato on November 01, 2022, 06:13:27 PM
Post by: Himu on November 01, 2022, 06:25:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/NJuqPCu.gif)
Bolsonaro government accepts loss.
Nothing burger. I've seen so much outrage from left parties my life I no longer consider them anymore. Climate change? I seriously no longer give a fuck.
Let's see what the liberal lgbtqlmnop cries against next week. It's always fucking something. Always a need to protest something. They're never happy. It's like mother in When Doves Cry - she's never satisfied.
Post by: Nintex on November 01, 2022, 07:24:53 PM
It's a pile of cash that's just 'there' and the NGO's don't benefit from those programs either because they already existed long before they could get their piece.
Once those programs are put on the table, politicians will cut social security 99% of the time (calling it a restructure or a modernization or whatever) and find it more interesting to invest in other things whether that's innovation, medical research, digital transformation, climate, defense, energy, security, tax cuts etc. . Bill Clinton cut them under the guise of reform and privitization, Obama cut them under the banner of austerity. Even Trump cut select social programs while increasing spending on others like veterans care.
When Kamala does her spiel about 'equity' and 'equality' she basically wants to take that bag of money and spend it differently. Remember that a significant part of the left leaning liberals also wants to replace the social security programs with UBI (universal basic income) and programmable CBDC's(Central Bank Digital Currencies). Which means that automatically some software company will get a slice of the pie creating and maintaining those systems.
Sometimes they simply impose a spending limit, which is a very cynical way of gutting social security.
That's how they're doing it in our country, they've decided that healthcare costs can no longer increase further, which of course means that due to inflation each year and a growing population (mostly because of migration) there will be less money for healthcare in the budget and with inflation between 10% - 20% those cuts will be severe.
Post by: Nintex on November 01, 2022, 08:16:47 PM
New Hampshire now in the GOP column
One poll has Zeldin ahead in New York which is pretty crazy but inflation is obviously killing the Democrats.
Post by: james on November 01, 2022, 08:20:30 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2022, 08:27:16 PM
Political punishment should happen more often. One party completely owning a state is dumb dumb, whether blue or red. You need checks and you need balances. Democrats need to lose power to humble them push them to the right to force them to be more reasonable. Kind of like letting a kid touch an oven to realize they burn. Or telling your kid,"if someone hits you hit them back" to teach the other kid a good lesson in boundaries. If Dems don't get it, continue to punish them until they finally do and you get the government you want. Likewise, states like Texas are in serious need of reasonable blue representation to offset the Republicans heterodox of Tejas politic. This is why flip states are actually the smartest states and why flip voters are actually the smartest voters. Partisans are r-etards.:hmm
Luls.
Here's to a few upsets rocking the boat of progressives and their God awful policy. Here's hoping for a decade of conservatives rule. Cheers.
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2022, 08:28:18 PM
Just had the 20 year birthday of these bad boysRemember how the media panicked for weeks about white vans and they were in a red car or whatever the whole time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks#MotiveQuoteAt the 2006 trial of Muhammad, Malvo testified that the aim of the killing spree was to kidnap children for the purpose of extorting money from the government and to "set up a camp to train children how to terrorize cities," with the ultimate goal being to "shut things down" across the United States
Why cant we go back to how things used to be
Post by: BIONIC on November 01, 2022, 08:33:11 PM
Political punishment should happen more often. One party completely owning a state is dumb dumb, whether blue or red. You need checks and you need balances. Democrats need to lose power to humble them push them to the right to force them to be more reasonable. Kind of like letting a kid touch an oven to realize they burn. Or telling your kid,"if someone hits you hit them back" to teach the other kid a good lesson in boundaries. If Dems don't get it, continue to punish them until they finally do and you get the government you want. Likewise, states like Texas are in serious need of reasonable blue representation to offset the Republicans heterodox of Tejas politic. This is why flip states are actually the smartest states and why flip voters are actually the smartest voters. Partisans are r-etards.:hmm
Luls.
Here's to a few upsets rocking the boat of progressives and their God awful policy. Here's hoping for a decade of conservatives rule. Cheers.
Switching headmates before hitting send. We’ve all been there.
Post by: Nintex on November 01, 2022, 08:38:01 PM
The gop will block the debt ceiling extension which will cause a economic catastrophe which yes, will solve inflationForget the GOP, the MAGA force is going to cause everyone a whole lot of trouble. :doge
"Please Mr. Walker cast your vote for the defense bill so we can go home. It's been 10 hours" :stahp
"I'm for the voters, I ain't voting for anything that comes out of the establishment that's what the politicians do."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2022, 10:37:18 PM
The gop will block the debt ceiling extension which will cause a economic catastrophe which yes, will solve inflation
A return of "mint the coin" twitter whew :doge
But seriously, there will be a confrontation and I don't expect Biden to cave. The problem with be that McCarthy isn't Boehner. He's a coward who won't have control of his caucus. Expect needless economic uncertainty.
Post by: Uncle on November 01, 2022, 11:28:27 PM
wait, what story just played out in brazil?
an asshole incumbent conservative was narrowly voted out and replaced by a liberal, but is still throwing a tantrum? this constitutes defeating extremism and fascism?
george this literally already happened in the US in 2020
:takei
https://twitter.com/omw/status/1586859830521757698
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2022, 12:35:13 AM
https://twitter.com/omw/status/1586859830521757698The replies. :lol
https://twitter.com/NicoOkk/status/1586865131367108611
https://twitter.com/equi_noctis/status/1586903759203946496
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https://twitter.com/equi_noctis/status/1586884635962748928
https://twitter.com/macweirdo42/status/1586861499854647296
https://twitter.com/Dan_Marsh_/status/1586864264887013377
https://twitter.com/MiniM4rine/status/1587180890584600576
https://twitter.com/macweirdo42/status/1586861499854647296
https://twitter.com/Dan_Marsh_/status/1586864264887013377
https://twitter.com/MiniM4rine/status/1587180890584600576
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Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2022, 12:38:37 AM
Quote from: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/11/01/hillary_clinton_theres_always_been_a_streak_of_violence_and_racism_in_america_were_seeing_republicans_embrace_it.html
"This midterm election, we have seen a lot of ads by Republicans running for everything touting crime," Clinton said. "Crime is the issue. But when an 82-year-old man is attacked by an intruder in his own home, they don't seem to be too bothered by that, because that person is married to the speaker of the House, who's of a different political party."
"Like I said, the Republicans have been talking about nothing but crime, when a crime is committed against Paul Pelosi, they could care less," she said.
"These people do not really believe half of what they say," Clinton said of Republicans.
Quote from: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/11/01/jd_vance_pelosi_attack_is_not_reflective_of_republicans_its_reflective_that_we_let_too_many_violent_people_in_our_country.html
"Look, Paul Pelosi was attacked by a person who is an illegal alien in our country, should have never been here in the first place. My view very simply is that we need to deport violent illegal aliens, OK?" Vance said.:dead :dead
"When an illegal alien attacks Paul Pelosi it's tragic and it's terrible but it's not reflective of Republicans. It's reflective of the fact that we let way too many violent people live freely in our country," Vance said.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2022, 01:37:24 AM
:stahp
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on November 02, 2022, 04:55:01 AM
Now it's just himu and nintex writing stupid shit.
i'd say bork sort this but it's sorta an empty gesture.
and to be fair nintex at least post links to stuff you can trace back.
himu, jfc, what the fuck is this drivel?
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on November 02, 2022, 04:55:36 AM
Post by: Uncle on November 02, 2022, 06:57:50 AM
this thread used to have good links on current US policies and shit.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/priorities/
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on November 02, 2022, 07:23:42 AM
this thread used to have good links on current US policies and shit.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/priorities/
Good try sleepy Joe
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2022, 08:50:19 AM
https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1586859468859621378
wait, what story just played out in brazil?
an asshole incumbent conservative was narrowly voted out and replaced by a liberal, but is still throwing a tantrum? this constitutes defeating extremism and fascism?
george this literally already happened in the US in 2020
:takei
https://twitter.com/omw/status/1586859830521757698
Lulu isn't a liberal though. He's the type of leftist South American leader the CIA would typically nuke lol. But in a comparison between him and an authoritarian strongman, he wins out.
Post by: Nintex on November 02, 2022, 02:38:58 PM
:trumps
https://twitter.com/postpolitics/status/1587838880228823041 (https://twitter.com/postpolitics/status/1587838880228823041)
:lol
Post by: Potato on November 02, 2022, 04:51:27 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2022, 05:47:28 PM
Post by: Uncle on November 02, 2022, 05:50:29 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2022, 07:11:39 PM
this thread used to have good links on current US policies and shit.What do current US policies have to do with US politics? ???
Post by: Nintex on November 02, 2022, 07:38:18 PM
Bit of a wet noodle quickly gobbled together speech of nothing we haven't heard before.
Wonder if internal polls are really really bad at this point.
Post by: Potato on November 02, 2022, 10:00:02 PM
You guys still pretending the guy hasn't been arrested, hasn't made statements - including that he isn't gay - and that he planned on kidnapping Pelosi and targeting other politicians? Or is he lying to hide the Real Story too.That's just what they want us to think
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2022, 10:07:09 PM
Guys an arrested criminal who may have been in cahoots with the Pelosi crime family and also possibly gay, not sure why we should trust him! Not to mention he was part of Gamergate which is full of liars and criminals.You guys still pretending the guy hasn't been arrested, hasn't made statements - including that he isn't gay - and that he planned on kidnapping Pelosi and targeting other politicians? Or is he lying to hide the Real Story too.That's just what they want us to think
Post by: Potato on November 02, 2022, 10:42:38 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1587948848969916416 (https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1587948848969916416)It's true though
Bit of a wet noodle quickly gobbled together speech of nothing we haven't heard before.
Wonder if internal polls are really really bad at this point.
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2022, 10:44:26 PM
It's true thoughIt's not though. It's not unprecedented, unlawful or un-American.
Like, even this one time we had an election where the losing party refused to accept the results of the election by trying to start their own country with hookers and blackjack. And a million Americans died. (That one was kinda unlawful admittingly.)
Post by: Uncle on November 02, 2022, 10:50:24 PM
Post by: Potato on November 02, 2022, 11:05:24 PM
It's true thoughIt's not though. It's not unprecedented, unlawful or un-American.
Like, even this one time we had an election where the losing party refused to accept the results of the election by trying to start their own country with hookers and blackjack. And a million Americans died. (That one was kinda unlawful admittingly.)
Please elaborate
:shaq
Post by: Potato on November 02, 2022, 11:10:48 PM
yeah there was that other time one of the sides wouldn't accept defeat and demanded a recount of ballots and had all this stuff about hanging chadsAll jokes aside, there is a difference between refusing to accept a clear result and asking for a recount of a close result (hanging chads is another matter, but at least there was some basis for disputing them as opposed to just not liking the outcome and staging a coup attempt).
Post by: Uncle on November 02, 2022, 11:21:51 PM
And also refusing to say outright "sure I trust our system well enough, whatever the result I assume if tampering exists we'd be talking about a tiny fraction of a percentage, of course I would concede a clear loss and I'll congratulate my opponent if he wins"yeah there was that other time one of the sides wouldn't accept defeat and demanded a recount of ballots and had all this stuff about hanging chadsAll jokes aside, there is a difference between refusing to accept a clear result and asking for a recount of a close result (hanging chads is another matter, but at least there was some basis for disputing them as opposed to just not liking the outcome and staging a coup attempt).
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2022, 11:45:29 PM
I don't think Bo thought this proposal through very much.
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2022, 01:59:23 AM
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https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1588006378173566977
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Post by: Potato on November 03, 2022, 02:08:56 AM
Bigger, but junior! What is it Pal?
Post by: Nintex on November 03, 2022, 04:10:58 AM
Not really.https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1587948848969916416 (https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1587948848969916416)It's true though
Bit of a wet noodle quickly gobbled together speech of nothing we haven't heard before.
Wonder if internal polls are really really bad at this point.
A few senate seats aren't a threat to democracy.
The GOP isn't saying that if they win they will end voting or elections and aren't planning to. Outlawing the opposition and abolishing the supreme court is the threat and that's what the Democrats want to do now.
Kari Lake, Herschel Walker, JD Vance etc. there is 0 evidence that they are undemocratic.
Post by: Occam on November 03, 2022, 04:24:56 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on November 03, 2022, 04:25:20 AM
Post by: Potato on November 03, 2022, 05:22:09 AM
I get that individually they aren't a threat, but democracy very much depends on all candidates accepting the results of elections and not staging coups and stuff.Not really.https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1587948848969916416 (https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1587948848969916416)It's true though
Bit of a wet noodle quickly gobbled together speech of nothing we haven't heard before.
Wonder if internal polls are really really bad at this point.
A few senate seats aren't a threat to democracy.
The GOP isn't saying that if they win they will end voting or elections and aren't planning to. Outlawing the opposition and abolishing the supreme court is the threat and that's what the Democrats want to do now.
Kari Lake, Herschel Walker, JD Vance etc. there is 0 evidence that they are undemocratic.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2022, 12:12:31 PM
Post by: Occam on November 03, 2022, 12:37:00 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2022, 12:50:12 PM
Did you just mistake Nintex for benji? ;-):dead
my bad
I don't have The Bore Premium so I can't edit my posts.
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2022, 02:17:48 PM
Political punishment should happen more often. One party completely owning a state is dumb dumb, whether blue or red. You need checks and you need balances. Democrats need to lose power to humble them push them to the right to force them to be more reasonable. Kind of like letting a kid touch an oven to realize they burn. Or telling your kid,"if someone hits you hit them back" to teach the other kid a good lesson in boundaries. If Dems don't get it, continue to punish them until they finally do and you get the government you want. Likewise, states like Texas are in serious need of reasonable blue representation to offset the Republicans heterodox of Tejas politic. This is why flip states are actually the smartest states and why flip voters are actually the smartest voters. Partisans are r-etards.:hmm
Luls.
Here's to a few upsets rocking the boat of progressives and their God awful policy. Here's hoping for a decade of conservatives rule. Cheers.
:lol
I highly doubt Washington state will be completely taken over by Republicans. That's a complete impossibility. But if say, it went rightward and became less blue so that there wasn't a complete monopoly of thought things might be better. Unfortunately you caught me: I hate Democrats that much.
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2022, 02:22:55 PM
Quote
Opinion | Florida Is a Blaring Warning Sign for Democrats
Biden has been reading too much of his own press.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/11/02/bidens-foolhardy-florida-obsession-00064689
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For some reason, the White House is telling itself that the president’s trip to the Sunshine State this week sets up his midterm message perfectly, or as a CNN report put it, serves “as the ideal backdrop for his warnings against ‘mega-MAGA’ Republicans.”
“For months,” according to CNN, “Biden and his team have been hoping to use Florida’s constellation of Trump-aligned Republicans — including the former president himself — to crystallize Biden’s closing pitch that the election is a choice and not a referendum and galvanize Democratic voters.”
A senior Biden adviser explained of Tuesday’s venture into Florida, “You can’t shake a stick without hitting a Republican that represents the MAGA extremes that the president is talking about. So, it allows the president to really drive home what’s at stake and what the choice is.”
This raises some questions: If a large, politically prized state that is one of the most important in the Union has alleged extremists everywhere, are they really that extreme? And if Democrats do poorly in Florida next week, as seems likely, what does it say about the party?
Every party that is heading for a midterm drubbing has a moment of desperation-driven wishful thinking near the end of a campaign, and clearly, this is one of those moments.
Anyone who thinks that it’s a good idea to campaign against a future-oriented, ethnically diverse state where the Democratic Party is cratering has been spending too much time reading White House press releases, or Ron Klain’s Twitter account.
Besides Donald Trump, who is sui generis and not an elected official in the state, the chief Florida bogeyman is Ron DeSantis. For the left, he earned much of his notoriety during the pandemic, when he was a fierce opponent of lockdowns, school closures and mandates. His critics will never admit that he was correct, but at the very least, it’s hard to rekindle the righteous fury that was directed at him during the height of the pandemic.
Indeed, his response is one of his calling cards in a re-election campaign that looks set to sweep aside his adversaries.
DeSantis is so extreme that he leads his Democratic opponent Charlie Crist by double digits in the RealClearPolitics average, and has led by double digits in the last four polls in the average.
It’s worth pausing over this fact. Florida is not Utah or Alabama. It has been a swing state for much of the last 100 years. One of the most reliable indicators that a candidate is going to become president of the United States is if he wins the Sunshine State. George W. Bush did it twice, and so did Barack Obama. And not by large margins. Trump also won it twice, by 1 point in 2016 and in a harbinger of the state’s move rightward, 3 points in 2020.
LMAO Biden thinks TWITTER is real life!
(https://i.imgur.com/hq13mYw.gif)
this thread used to have good links on current US policies and shit.
Now it's just himu and nintex writing stupid shit.
i'd say bork sort this but it's sorta an empty gesture.
and to be fair nintex at least post links to stuff you can trace back.
himu, jfc, what the fuck is this drivel?
All you post is "this is dumb" one liners. If it's so bad, contribute positively how you would like the thread direction to head instead of every single of your posts being some low brow chest besting complaint?
Be the example in change you seek. :)
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2022, 02:26:25 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/03/politics/david-depape-paul-pelosi-attack/index.html
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Immigration officials say Pelosi attacker was in US illegally
Washington CNN —
David DePape, the man accused of violently attacking Paul Pelosi last week, was in the United States illegally and may face deportation, the Department of Homeland Security said late Wednesday.
“U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) lodged an immigration detainer on Canadian national David DePape with San Francisco County Jail, Nov. 1, following his Oct. 28 arrest,” the department said.
ICE issues so-called immigration “detainers” to federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies to inform them that the agency intends to take custody of an individual and requests that ICE be notified before that individual is released.
The detainer is unlikely to affect DePape’s case since deportations often happen after criminal cases are resolved. But after conviction and prison sentence, the US normally would seek deportation.
According to federal records, DePape, a Canadian citizen, entered the country in early March at the San Ysidro port of entry, which is along the California-Mexico border, as a temporary visitor. Generally, Canadians who are visiting for business or pleasure don’t require a visa and are allowed to stay in the US for six months.
DePape, 42, has been charged with a litany of crimes, including assault, attempted murder and attempted kidnapping, following last week’s break-in at Pelosi’s San Francisco home, the US attorney’s office and San Francisco district attorney announced on Monday.
He was charged with one count of “attempted kidnapping of a US official,” according to the US attorney’s office for the Northern District of California. That charge relates to Nancy Pelosi, whom DePape told police he planned to “hold hostage,” according to an FBI affidavit also unsealed on Monday.
DePape entered a not guilty plea Tuesday to all state charges during his initial appearance in court. He has not yet entered a plea in federal court.
:drudge (https://i.imgur.com/9luNCnd.gif) :drudge
An illegal you say? Will Democrats start to want to vet illegal immigrants more readily now? MAYBE SO, because this man after all is white and not brown. :sabu But I bet they won't. It'll be more pussy footing. More weak policy, more navel gazing, and more moralizing.
Post by: james on November 03, 2022, 02:51:17 PM
An illegal you say? Will Democrats start to want to vet illegal immigrants more readily now? MAYBE SO, because this man after all is white and not brown. :sabu But I bet they won't. It'll be more pussy footing. More weak policy, more navel gazing, and more moralizing.
Read your own fucking quotes.
"According to federal records, DePape, a Canadian citizen, entered the country in early March at the San Ysidro port of entry, which is along the California-Mexico border, as a temporary visitor. Generally, Canadians who are visiting for business or pleasure don’t require a visa and are allowed to stay in the US for six months.'
He entered legally and overstayed.
Thats the point everyone keeps making. A wall wont fix that.
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2022, 03:01:18 PM
QuoteOpinion | Florida Is a Blaring Warning Sign for Democrats
Biden has been reading too much of his own press.
Man, the comments on r/moderatepolitics? Es muy bueno. :delicious Es delicioso.
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The subheading is fire but also lacks introspection.
QuoteBiden has been reading too much of his own press.
This is a perennial problem that plagues Democrats, mostly because of the institutional control they have over the press in this country. They don't seem to understand that the American public has no confidence in journalists, and the journalists who write endlessly slanted articles are not representative of the true feelings of the population.
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I honestly don't understand how the difference in media reporting and actual populace views can be so wide. I know outrage sells but surely the slant has be negatively affecting the revenue they generate? Maybe I am misrepresenting the general consumer of news but alienating half the population seems like a surefire way to lose money? I really don't get it.
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Absolutely. Only the press thinks it’s a mystery that Hillary Clinton lost, and I voted for her.
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The problem is that the Democrats have become the party of "let them eat cake". If someone disagrees with them, they are automatically a redneck deplorable. Democrats have lots of great ideas that would benefit a lot of people, but their legislature is constantly bogged down with special interests and pandering to idiots online.
The democrats are walking away from the opportunity to be the adults in the room. Where a plurality of Americans support things like legal abortions and mandatory background checks, democrats obsess over dumb plans like one time forgiveness of student loans.
Republicans are so horrible that it's amazing they win at all, but the only way they can is because the Democrats have cast themselves as so ridiculous that they actually seem like a better choice to many.
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So here's a true story of voter disenfranchisement. The year is 2000. I'm finally old enough to vote. Two presidential candidates presented themselves. Al Gore and George Bush. I completely agreed with the science of climate change and knew it was a problem we needed to address. I also liked the economy and policies under Bill Clinton. However, every time I heard Al Gore speak, he was harping on about special interests, and his running mate, Joe Lieberman, was going to make it a campaign goal to ban violent video games. I saw them as radical and out of touch. Meanwhile Bush was likeable, relatable, and he seemed like the adult in the room. So I voted for Bush.
That's the part the news stories ignore. Most people don't identify as republican or democrat. They identify as individuals with various political opinions. So much so that a gay friend of mine in California who is an atheist was a staunch Trump supporter in 2016 despite this seeming ironic with his demographic. Hillary seemed dishonest and out of touch. The democrats nomination process seemed crafted to disenfranchise voters with the super delegates.
These are anecdotal stories, but they explain the problem well.
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1. Democrats so heavily depend on dominating margins with minority voters that any slip in those totals can be catastrophic. “Demographics are destiny” is nonsense, as after 2-3 generations, most immigrants simply identify as “white”. When those “previously hispanic” and “previously 60% democrat voter” groups become closer to 50/50, thats a lot of voters that are lost. Similarly, with black voters, even a drop from 90% to low 80’s is devastating. Think those numbers arent realistic? How realistic is it that those margins continue to stay that high? That may explain the recent trend of the DNC catering so heavily towards “sure thing” voters. Now, if it ends up backfiring? That could happen, and thats when those margins start falling off.
2. these next 10 years are going to be a ride. We are starting to see the breaking up of the voting blocks of the south, midwest, and west. Democrats have put a lot of effort and money into trying to get a crown jewel in Florida (and Texas). Republicans have similarly made a lot of gains in the midwest. The electoral map of the ‘30s may well show New England cracking as well or one of the pnw states turning purple.
Probably the most hot comment on there which touches what I said earlier:
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My parents are semi-retired and live at their place in Clearwater, Florida most of the time these days. Really the only reason they keep their house back home is to placate my brothers and I who like to frolic in our childhood nostalgia over the holidays, but I digress.
I visit fairly frequently. Originally when they first moved it was to escape the cold and enjoy the novelty of wearing shorts in winter, but then after Covid measures persisted beyond my emotional breaking point I often took refuge in the Sunshine State for more extended periods to take advantage of remote work flexibility and lay on the beach.
Florida is going places. There is really no denying it. Even with the current real estate market, try getting a house in Broward or Miami-Dade in particular these days that is not astronomically priced (a problem in and of itself). The business climate is booming, migration numbers are sky high, and the Governor has proven fearless in the face of culture war issues. Oh, and as an aside, there is a Po'Folks restaurant still open in St Pete. I shit you not. I had not seen those since I was a little kid.
People take note of this. People want to emulate this. People may very well vote accordingly.
Dems are no longer an aspirational party. They're a party of complainers. They no longer have hope, dreams (American or otherwise), just doomerism and gloom. A party of fragile weak ants who love being crushed by the boots of life.
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Post by: Himu on November 03, 2022, 03:02:43 PM
An illegal you say? Will Democrats start to want to vet illegal immigrants more readily now? MAYBE SO, because this man after all is white and not brown. :sabu But I bet they won't. It'll be more pussy footing. More weak policy, more navel gazing, and more moralizing.
Read your own fucking quotes.
"According to federal records, DePape, a Canadian citizen, entered the country in early March at the San Ysidro port of entry, which is along the California-Mexico border, as a temporary visitor. Generally, Canadians who are visiting for business or pleasure don’t require a visa and are allowed to stay in the US for six months.'
He entered legally and overstayed.
Thats the point everyone keeps making. A wall wont fix that.
Finish the wall anyways! :rejoice :klobuchar
Post by: Nintex on November 03, 2022, 03:26:09 PM
:trumps
Non Republican pollsters are starting to pick up on shifts.
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1588129148543041537 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1588129148543041537)
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2022, 03:36:14 PM
https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1588220086191538177 (https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1588220086191538177)
:trumps
Non Republican pollsters are starting to pick up on shifts.
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1588129148543041537 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1588129148543041537)
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I would very much like a Trump-Gabbard ticket. Trump isn't my first choice but...:trumps
Post by: Occam on November 03, 2022, 03:46:55 PM
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Post by: Himu on November 03, 2022, 03:50:42 PM
QuoteOpinion | Florida Is a Blaring Warning Sign for Democrats
Biden has been reading too much of his own press.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/11/02/bidens-foolhardy-florida-obsession-00064689
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Biden uses another Florida pol, now-Sen. Rick Scott, as the occasion for making a tried-and-true attack against the GOP, namely that it wants to cut entitlements. This is an issue where it is actually the case, as Biden likes to say, that it’s no longer your father’s Republican Party. Trump turned the GOP against austerity economics and party leaders have largely resisted returning to entitlement reform as a major cause. When he came up with his own agenda earlier this year, Scott suggested voting to reauthorize entitlements every five years rather than having them run on autopilot. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell gave it the cold shoulder, and the chances of the proposal being taken up by Republicans should they win congressional majorities are exactly zero. At this point, there’s no way that Biden is going to make significant headway with it in the midterms.
The overall political message of Florida isn’t that Republicans are lurching into mega-MAGA irrelevance, but that Democrats are losing ground in a vital part of the country.
As The Economist wrote recently, “Florida has become emblematic of much of America and central to all of it. The state is on the rise.” Its economy has doubled since 2002, and were it a sovereign country, it would have the 15th largest economy in the world. “Between 2010 and 2020,” the magazine notes, “its population grew at double the national rate. Florida has overtaken New York to become America’s third-most-populous state after California and Texas, with a dynamic and diverse demography, including fast-rising numbers of Hispanics.”
This should make the Democratic fade in the state all the more concerning to the party. Since 2020, there are roughly 330,000 fewer registered Democrats in Florida. Republicans have now ticked ahead of Democrats in registrations for the first time, taking a 5.3 million to 5 million lead. Contrast that with 2008, when, benefiting from an Obama-era influx, registered Democrats outnumbered Republicans by 700,000.
As a CNN report noted, Republicans have picked up nearly 60,000 new registrations among Hispanics, while Democrats have lost 46,000 — another indication of Democratic erosion with this key demographic. Such is the slide that Republicans could conceivably win in heavily Hispanic Miami-Dade county, the most populous county in the state that has traditionally been a pillar of the Democratic presidential coalition in Florida.
If Democrats want to chalk this all up to extremism, they are deluding themselves. Florida is a GOP success story and a cautionary tale for Democrats, rather than the key to staving off midterm defeats.
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Going to put me in jail if I don't, fascist?
Post by: Nintex on November 03, 2022, 03:55:33 PM
I guess the mole is still active.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2022, 03:58:29 PM
1. Hold PA governor seat
2. Hold MI governor seat
3. Hold US senate
1 and 2 seem like the most important for 2024, to ensure those elections are run in a logical and democratic way. Holding the senate is important for hopefully getting another supreme court seat, among other things.
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2022, 04:06:30 PM
https://theliberalpatriot.substack.com/p/hispanic-voters-on-the-eve-of-the
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In 2020, the Democratic advantage among Hispanic voters declined by 16 points relative to 2016. On the eve of the 2022 election, that advantage is set to decline substantially once again.
This is obviously bad for the Democrats’ immediate electoral prospects. But it also cuts the ground out from under their leading electoral theory of the case: that the “rising American electorate”, with a starring role for the burgeoning ranks of minority voters, will deliver them victories in the future. It is overwhelmingly Hispanics who are driving the increase in the nonwhite population and if they continue moving toward the GOP—as they are and in a big way—the whole theory falls apart.
It is becoming clearer and clearer that Democrats have seriously erred by lumping Hispanics in with “people of color” and assuming they embraced a litany of liberal causes around race and other issues that are dear to the hearts of Democratic activists. This was a flawed assumption. In reality, Hispanic voters are overwhelmingly an upwardly mobile, patriotic population with practical and down to earth concerns focused on jobs, the economy, health care, effective schools and public safety.
In short, they are normie voters. And like other normie voters, if they feel Democrats are falling short on the things normie voters care about, they are more than willing to punish the party they hold responsible.
https://theliberalpatriot.substack.com/p/the-democrats-climate-problem
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This creates a huge political problem. What people want—and need—is abundant, cheap, reliable energy. Therefore if what you are advocating appears to call that goal into question, no amount of rhetoric about a roasting planet and no amount of effort to tie every natural disaster to climate change is likely to generate the support needed for a reasonably quick energy transition.
To add to the political problems, this misguided approach to energy policy is all being done in the name of fighting climate change, which is not a high-salience issue for most voters. That is, climate change, while having very, very high salience for Democratic elites, has low salience for ordinary voters, particularly working class voters. Surveys have also showed that, while voters mostly acknowledge climate change is ongoing, are at least somewhat concerned about it and think there should be more climate-oriented action, the issue is not so salient that they are willing to sacrifice much to support such action.
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Post by: Nintex on November 03, 2022, 04:48:47 PM
Florida looks bad for dems, Pennsylvania looking good for dems. I'll take it. My priorities for Tuesday...Not sure if all these late poll swings are going to be reflected in the voting.
1. Hold PA governor seat
2. Hold MI governor seat
3. Hold US senate
1 and 2 seem like the most important for 2024, to ensure those elections are run in a logical and democratic way. Holding the senate is important for hopefully getting another supreme court seat, among other things.
From what I'm seeing lots of people have already voted early and once again the GOP banks on a big turn-out on election day.
A powerful PR/marketing thing but also a big risk if the weather sucks or the voters don't show on the big day.
It seems like both parties are desperately trying to persuade the last few voters who haven't made up their mind yet to not only vote for them but also vote at all.
Post by: Uncle on November 03, 2022, 05:08:45 PM
QuoteAs The Economist wrote recently, “Florida has become emblematic of much of America and central to all of it. The state is on the rise.” Its economy has doubled since 2002, and were it a sovereign country, it would have the 15th largest economy in the world. “Between 2010 and 2020,” the magazine notes, “its population grew at double the national rate. Florida has overtaken New York to become America’s third-most-populous state after California and Texas, with a dynamic and diverse demography, including fast-rising numbers of Hispanics.”
This should make the Democratic fade in the state all the more concerning to the party.
I feel like this has been obviously coming for years
most immigrants to the US will be overwhelmingly conservative
for all the reasoning each party has -- democrats "it's the compassionate and diverse thing to do," republicans "they'll steal jobs from white americans" -- they're exactly opposite what benefits or detracts from the party's future prospects for success
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2022, 05:33:27 PM
- Abbott beats Beto
- DeSantis wins in a landslide
- MI governor wins in a landslide. She has backbone and I respect her even if our politics are opposed
- PNW state upset
- Oz wins
- Az goes to GOP
- bigger trend of Latino, Black, and Latino voters shifting to GOP.
My biggest hope but the longest shot:
- NY governor race is close. I don't expect Hochul to lose but I want it to be so close that Republicans are in play in NY next cycle.
My expectations post midterms:
- Do Nothing Dems will continue their downward spiral to progressive thought ran by a cabal of white privileged elites and Republicans upward mobility to clench the Presidency in 2024, 2028, and 2032.
Post by: Uncle on November 03, 2022, 05:33:44 PM
https://twitter.com/RiseUp4L/status/1588199433086418944
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Post by: Himu on November 03, 2022, 05:35:37 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2022, 05:36:12 PM
Florida looks bad for dems, Pennsylvania looking good for dems. I'll take it. My priorities for Tuesday...Not sure if all these late poll swings are going to be reflected in the voting.
1. Hold PA governor seat
2. Hold MI governor seat
3. Hold US senate
1 and 2 seem like the most important for 2024, to ensure those elections are run in a logical and democratic way. Holding the senate is important for hopefully getting another supreme court seat, among other things.
From what I'm seeing lots of people have already voted early and once again the GOP banks on a big turn-out on election day.
A powerful PR/marketing thing but also a big risk if the weather sucks or the voters don't show on the big day.
It seems like both parties are desperately trying to persuade the last few voters who haven't made up their mind yet to not only vote for them but also vote at all.
Gonna be high turnout on both sides. In PA it's looking like Fetterman is up 50+ on the partisan split of early voting, and Oz is polling for an 11+ lead on election day. Barring some surge (or too many mail ballots being invalidated due to the address issue) I think Fetterman wins by 2-5 points. Gov wise Shapiro is up by even more. BTW I'd expect both Oz and Mastriano to challenge the results given that it'll be a repeat of 2020 election night: early lead followed by an avalanche of mail votes.
Michigan prob handled the abortion thing better than any state for dems. We have a ballot proposal on whether abortion should remain legal or not. That has forced candidates to take a direct stand and it's killing Tudor Dixon, the MAGA candidate. It's also allowed Whitmer to focus more on economic issues while liberal interest groups blast republicans in TV ads. Meanwhile every vote knows Prop 3 will be on the ballot.
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2022, 05:39:25 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2022, 05:42:19 PM
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2022, 05:49:13 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2022, 05:54:15 PM
Debates often start after early voting begins, including in 2020/2016/etc. This is not some new thing. Florida, a red state, pioneered this ages ago. Fetterman had a stroke. He sounds like someone who had a stroke, and that's fine; most people understand he will get better. Post-debate polls still have him up, and there hasn't been a significant bump for Oz largely because his favorables are in the toilet.
There's not much evidence that debates shift elections. Most people know who they're going to vote for.
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2022, 07:13:56 PM
A few senate seats aren't a threat to democracy.
The GOP isn't saying that if they win they will end voting or elections and aren't planning to. Outlawing the opposition and abolishing the supreme court is the threat and that's what the Democrats want to do now.
Kari Lake, Herschel Walker, JD Vance etc. there is 0 evidence that they are undemocratic.
Kari Lake has stated she wants to decertify the 2020 Arizona election and states she won't certify a Biden/dem win in 2024 if there is "fraud." I'd say she is anti-democracy, Benji.Nintex picked some particularly bad examples since that's the entire reason Kari Lake ran and J.D. Vance has said he wants to use the government to suppress non-MAGA views.
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2022, 07:14:52 PM
Read your own fucking quotes.Wait, the guy's a Canadian?
"According to federal records, DePape, a Canadian citizen, entered the country in early March at the San Ysidro port of entry, which is along the California-Mexico border, as a temporary visitor. Generally, Canadians who are visiting for business or pleasure don’t require a visa and are allowed to stay in the US for six months.'
He entered legally and overstayed.
Thats the point everyone keeps making. A wall wont fix that.
BUILD 👏 THE 👏 WALL 👏 OR 👏 INVADE 👏
Post by: Nintex on November 03, 2022, 07:18:28 PM
I think Trump still has a bunch more last minute rallies (and he has in the past shifted races with those by making sure his voters showed (or didn't show)).
The response of the crowd to Oz there will determine if he wins by a small margin or is beaten +5 points by Fetterman.
As USA Today notes:
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Fetterman is crushing Oz 75%-19% among those who have already voted; Oz leads 52%-39% among those who say they are almost certain to vote but haven't yet.
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2022, 07:37:17 PM
Man, the comments on r/moderatepolitics? Es muy bueno. :delicious Es delicioso.It's not like they stop taking in the media or go for clear partisan outlets like OANN/Newsmax/MSNBC, they continue to take in the same stuff but just are skeptical about it and complain about it. Just look at the largest media enterprises, how much of what CNN/MSNBC/Fox fills time with is something that was on one of the others or in the New York Times or whatever so they can be complain about it? It's only the crazies who determine everything in the media must be a lie and disconnect completely for fact-based sources like RealRawNews, everyone else maintains a balance in their head. Even still this is often only on certain issues that people are personally informed about and probably didn't trust the media in the first place, see: Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect.QuoteI honestly don't understand how the difference in media reporting and actual populace views can be so wide. I know outrage sells but surely the slant has be negatively affecting the revenue they generate? Maybe I am misrepresenting the general consumer of news but alienating half the population seems like a surefire way to lose money? I really don't get it.
Not sure if all these late poll swings are going to be reflected in the voting.I doubt it. That was the old model, now there's lots of interest in turning out your own voters who don't vote regularly.
From what I'm seeing lots of people have already voted early and once again the GOP banks on a big turn-out on election day.
A powerful PR/marketing thing but also a big risk if the weather sucks or the voters don't show on the big day.
It seems like both parties are desperately trying to persuade the last few voters who haven't made up their mind yet to not only vote for them but also vote at all.
I also suspect early voters are not undecided voters but regular voters. I also have suspicions that early voters lean Democrat because they stupidly prize the importance of voting so will rush out to vote immediately and Republicans stupidly prize the importance of the formal tradition of voting on election day so will build the anticipation of their putting pen to paper in the Holy Ceremony of Democracy.
We can't really look at 2020 to detect trends because there was this other thing going on that shot up absentee voting and this dude who was telling his supporters to specifically not absentee vote because it'd let the Democrats steal the election.
Michigan prob handled the abortion thing better than any state for dems. We have a ballot proposal on whether abortion should remain legal or not. That has forced candidates to take a direct stand and it's killing Tudor Dixon, the MAGA candidate. It's also allowed Whitmer to focus more on economic issues while liberal interest groups blast republicans in TV ads. Meanwhile every vote knows Prop 3 will be on the ballot.I see a good amount of the anti-3 signs out in front of houses, but it doesn't look like their messaging that it's EXTREME and UNCLEAR is getting through. Polling has it above 60%. Although the pro-3 side has spent almost five times as much money so maybe the voters just aren't hearing about how EXTREME and UNCLEAR it is. (Something I'll note that the anti-3 ads never say how, base your entire campaign around the proven tactic of saying a Proposal is misleading and then totally botch the execution breh.)
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2022, 08:00:11 PM
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Post by: Himu on November 03, 2022, 08:06:30 PM
Read your own fucking quotes.Wait, the guy's a Canadian?
"According to federal records, DePape, a Canadian citizen, entered the country in early March at the San Ysidro port of entry, which is along the California-Mexico border, as a temporary visitor. Generally, Canadians who are visiting for business or pleasure don’t require a visa and are allowed to stay in the US for six months.'
He entered legally and overstayed.
Thats the point everyone keeps making. A wall wont fix that.
BUILD 👏 THE 👏 WALL 👏 OR 👏 INVADE 👏
The entire point is laws. I said nothing about walls in that post. This is an issue of laws. SF and California in general prioritizes itself as a sanctuary city and state which means lax illegal immigration law, even for expired visas. You two aren't actually providing any evidence against strict immigration law. In fact, this entire thing shows it should be more strict as if it was this could have been preventable. Instead, you focus on the wall as a straw man rather than the fact under Biden they have a lax illegal immigration policing.
But at the same time, since you mention it, finish the wall. :)
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2022, 08:12:29 PM
The entire point is laws. I said nothing about walls in that post. This is an issue of laws. SF and California in general prioritizes itself as a sanctuary city and state which means lax illegal immigration law, even for expired visas. You two aren't actually providing any evidence against strict immigration law. In fact, this entire thing shows it should be more strict as if it was this could have been preventable. Instead, you focus on the wall as a straw man rather than the fact under Biden they have a lax illegal immigration policing.I didn't say shit about your post, in fact I specifically removed the quote because I was only replying to what james said, so I could make an anti-Canada joke. (But maybe there's still a chance...)
In any regard, as I told you before, visa overstays are the bulk of illegal immigration violations. You want to build up an internal police force to hunt them down? Make employers have to get the federal governments approval on every hire they attempt? I'm going to have to be against those things too.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2022, 08:25:41 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2022, 08:34:58 PM
To be fair, this might actually be an impossible task. Would the pro-life people accept a campaign that says "no, they should come back with a better pro-choice proposal and the legislature should change the law too" instead of one focused on pro-life stuff? Doubt it! It'd probably defeat 3 specifically though!
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2022, 10:36:18 PM
Democracy Intensifies:
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SAVE DEMAHCWASHI
Post by: james on November 03, 2022, 10:54:01 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/KOCOZach/status/1587957731218010112
https://mobile.twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1587967029683838976
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2022, 11:13:27 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2022, 12:33:19 AM
https://twitter.com/CalebHowe/status/1588203985034518531
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2022, 01:37:14 AM
Dems need to pour all their resources into Texas and Florida for this last weekend, this is the year we turn Texas and Utah BLUE! THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!
YAAAAAAS KWEEN
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https://twitter.com/DavMicRot/status/1587990319999721473
https://twitter.com/CalebHowe/status/1588203985034518531
SAVE DEMOCRACY THIS TUESDAY, TUESDAY, TUESDAY!
On Tuesday, the Democratic Party will save us from the media's conservative bias!
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2022, 01:51:15 AM
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I hope! If they're divided they're less powerful. They will lose more until they get their house in order. And hopefully, the normie Dems win and push the party to the right.
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https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-11-03/shot-fired-at-family-home-of-n-carolina-us-house-candidate
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Shot Fired at Family Home of N. Carolina US House Candidate
A recent shooting at the Hickory, North Carolina, residence of GOP congressional candidate Pat Harrigan’s parents and young children caused no injuries but has placed “tremendous stress” on the family in the final weeks of his campaign, Harrigan’s mother said.
By HANNAH SCHOENBAUM, Associated Press/Report for America
RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — A recent shooting at the Hickory, North Carolina, residence of GOP congressional candidate Pat Harrigan's parents and young children caused no injuries but placed “tremendous stress” on the family in the final weeks of his campaign, Harrigan's mother said Thursday.
Harrigan, a firearms manufacturer and U.S. Army Special Forces veteran, is running against Democratic state Sen. Jeff Jackson for an open U.S. House seat in North Carolina's new 14th District based in western Charlotte. The left-leaning district emerged from a lengthy redistricting battle during which North Carolina redrew its congressional map to account for the additional seat it was awarded following the 2020 census.
Political analysts say the 2022 map favors Republicans in seven of the state’s 14 districts and favors Democrats in six, with one toss-up district in the Raleigh suburbs.
Marla Harrigan, 74, told The Associated Press on Thursday that she and her husband James Harrigan were watching television down the hall when a bullet shattered their laundry room window on the night of Oct. 18. The Hickory Police Department responded to their 911 call and noted in the police report that the incident involved a firearm.
The congressional candidate's children, ages 3 and 5, were asleep in the bedroom directly above the room where the shooting occurred, Marla Harrigan said. The bullet came from a densely wooded area and did not wake the kids.
She said the two children have been living with their grandparents in Hickory, about 57 miles northwest of Charlotte, for much of the campaign cycle. They have since been relocated out of state “out of an abundance of caution after the shooting," she said, adding that her son is urging his parents to leave town as well.
“It's just disconcerting, especially with the children there," Marla Harrigan told the AP. “This campaign is so stressful, and we feel so badly for our son because, you know, he's terribly stressed about his children ... and now they're gone, they're not with their parents and it's just very, very disruptive."
Hickory Police Department spokesperson Kristen Hart said the department has not made arrests related to the incident and that the investigation is ongoing.
Jordan Shaw, spokesperson for the Harrigan campaign, said the Republican candidate has also received numerous death threats, which they've submitted to the police to aid their investigation.
“I’m focused on fixing the economy, lowering prices and keeping our streets safe,” Harrigan said in a statement Thursday. “And it’ll take more than a bullet and death threats to knock this Green Beret off that mission.”
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Hannah Schoenbaum is a corps member for the Associated Press/Report for America Statehouse News Initiative. Report for America is a nonprofit national service program that places journalists in local newsrooms to report on undercovered issues. Follow her on Twitter at @H_Schoenbaum.
I'm so glad the family is save and especially the babies!
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2022, 09:37:14 AM
A STAIN on American democracy. Get it? It's because he's black!
Dems: guys, why are we losing?
Dems: I don't know, let's blame someone.
The boy that cried Democracy Tour continues. Children's story in real time.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/11/02/hispanic-latino-voters-democrats-republicans-economy/10528038002/
Dems get shocker! Black and brown people are overwhelmingly socially conservative! :pika While also being fiscally liberally :pika
As the GOP becomes more fiscally liberal the Dems bleed Latino voters. You thought you could turn Latinos to make states purple when Mexicans live in Texas and the state is still blood red? There's a song for this, mijo.
https://youtu.be/60ucKFdNv-I
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538 poll shows Boebert is down. It would be hilarious if GOP takes the house and Senate and MTG/Boebert lose :sabu
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2022, 10:55:33 AM
I'm gonna stick to my assumptions:
-GOP wins house, gains 15-20 seats
-Dems hold the senate with either 50 or 51 seats
-Dems hold PA, MI governor seats
-Dems lose WI governor seat
Post by: james on November 04, 2022, 11:10:31 AM
-Dems wins house, gains 15-20 seats
-Dems hold the senate with either 52 or 53 seats
-Dems hold PA, MI, WI, OR governor seats
-Iowa and Oklahoma flip to Dems
-Rs hold Florida, Texas by the skin of their teeth
....
Oh wait. This is with Bernie as president.
You know the guy who was criticized for making everything about the economy when the economy is the number 1 issue. Hes be out their nationalizing the oil companies and sending everyone free oil rigs. Hes be on primetime TV pointing fingers at greedy companies upping prices.
:bernie :bernie :bernie :bernie
Post by: tiesto on November 04, 2022, 11:54:25 AM
Florida looks bad for dems, Pennsylvania looking good for dems. I'll take it. My priorities for Tuesday...
1. Hold PA governor seat
2. Hold MI governor seat
3. Hold US senate
1 and 2 seem like the most important for 2024, to ensure those elections are run in a logical and democratic way. Holding the senate is important for hopefully getting another supreme court seat, among other things.
Also hoping that Hochul beats anti-abortion, election denier, Trump lapdog Zeldin. Guy was my rep for the last 8 or so years and he's terrible. The best is, he's running on "crime is out of control!" yet he can't even keep crime out of his own backyard. Literally (to be fair, Shirley is kind of a trashy area):
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/two-shot-outside-new-york-congressman-lee-zeldins-home-2022-10-10/
But now, speaking as someone who is the epitome of the modern day Dem - white, non-religious, live on the coast, graduate degree, socially liberal (pro lgbtq, pro choice), economically well-off...
I definitely think calling the 2020 protests "mostly peaceful" riots and wokescolding/going all Lisa Simpson on those who refuse to use terms like 'Latinx' or 'Uterus bearer', still celebrate 'Columbus Day' not 'Indigenous Peoples Day', etc. has annoyed many. People (especially Gen X, a prime 'independent' demographic who has moved rapidly to the right) hate being told what to do in such a condescending manner. And the Repubs hammer on these points, downplaying any successes Dems might have. While the "blue check" Dems push more social-justice favored policies instead of economic ones. While I think stuff like making Juneteenth a national holiday is great, and (speaking as an Italian-American) I'd support a rename of Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples Day... these types of things don't matter to most when the COL keeps rising and the average family is increasingly having trouble paying their med bills, filling up their tanks, or putting food on the table.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2022, 12:01:10 PM
Florida looks bad for dems, Pennsylvania looking good for dems. I'll take it. My priorities for Tuesday...
1. Hold PA governor seat
2. Hold MI governor seat
3. Hold US senate
1 and 2 seem like the most important for 2024, to ensure those elections are run in a logical and democratic way. Holding the senate is important for hopefully getting another supreme court seat, among other things.
Also hoping that Hochul beats anti-abortion, election denier, Trump lapdog Zeldin. Guy was my rep for the last 8 or so years and he's terrible. The best is, he's running on "crime is out of control!" yet he can't even keep crime out of his own backyard. Literally (to be fair, Shirley is kind of a trashy area):
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/two-shot-outside-new-york-congressman-lee-zeldins-home-2022-10-10/
I kind of view NY the same way I view TX. The minority party winning a state-wide election is a herculean effort. Of course this is complicated by Hochul apparently sucking (?) and only being governor due to scandal. Given how high turnout is across the nation you gotta expect dems to hold NY the same way I'd expect republicans to hold TX.
Post by: tiesto on November 04, 2022, 12:15:17 PM
Florida looks bad for dems, Pennsylvania looking good for dems. I'll take it. My priorities for Tuesday...
1. Hold PA governor seat
2. Hold MI governor seat
3. Hold US senate
1 and 2 seem like the most important for 2024, to ensure those elections are run in a logical and democratic way. Holding the senate is important for hopefully getting another supreme court seat, among other things.
Also hoping that Hochul beats anti-abortion, election denier, Trump lapdog Zeldin. Guy was my rep for the last 8 or so years and he's terrible. The best is, he's running on "crime is out of control!" yet he can't even keep crime out of his own backyard. Literally (to be fair, Shirley is kind of a trashy area):
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/two-shot-outside-new-york-congressman-lee-zeldins-home-2022-10-10/
I kind of view NY the same way I view TX. The minority party winning a state-wide election is a herculean effort. Of course this is complicated by Hochul apparently sucking (?) and only being governor due to scandal. Given how high turnout is across the nation you gotta expect dems to hold NY the same way I'd expect republicans to hold TX.
I'm in the heart of Zeldin land (NY district 1), and there's like probably a 100:1 ratio of Zeldin (and his supporters like LaLota) to Hochul (and Fleming, who is running for district 1 rep). A bunch of Zeldin rallies are happening all over the island, passed 3 of them in the past 2 weeks or so. Nobody really has much enthusiasm for Hochul, personally I'm not a fan of her because she's that corporate neolib type, but I'd take anything over the Legend of Zeldin: The Windbag Wanker.
The ironic thing is that Biden barely won Nassau and lost Suffolk by a little over 200 votes (in a county of 1.5 million!).
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2022, 12:24:04 PM
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2022, 12:32:03 PM
Florida looks bad for dems, Pennsylvania looking good for dems. I'll take it. My priorities for Tuesday...
1. Hold PA governor seat
2. Hold MI governor seat
3. Hold US senate
1 and 2 seem like the most important for 2024, to ensure those elections are run in a logical and democratic way. Holding the senate is important for hopefully getting another supreme court seat, among other things.
Also hoping that Hochul beats anti-abortion, election denier, Trump lapdog Zeldin. Guy was my rep for the last 8 or so years and he's terrible. The best is, he's running on "crime is out of control!" yet he can't even keep crime out of his own backyard. Literally (to be fair, Shirley is kind of a trashy area):
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/two-shot-outside-new-york-congressman-lee-zeldins-home-2022-10-10/
I kind of view NY the same way I view TX. The minority party winning a state-wide election is a herculean effort. Of course this is complicated by Hochul apparently sucking (?) and only being governor due to scandal. Given how high turnout is across the nation you gotta expect dems to hold NY the same way I'd expect republicans to hold TX.
NY isn't like Texas or even California. NY is more like Illinois: a mostly red state beholdened to a really blue city (NYC) taking over the entire election process due to its population. NY isn't a blue state. Fucking NYC is blue. The key is to flip some areas in NYC red rather than the state. Staten has it, Nassau county and the Hamptions have it. Thankfully, Dems have many weak points in NYC and targeting specific areas is helping what was once blue, become a bit more purple, particularly Sunset Park and various areas of Brooklyn that impact Asian and Latino voters. Legislators in the city pushing for more "equity" and taking opportunities away from Asian Americans, African American, and Latinos with an upward mindset and not a pathetic sniveling, weak victim mindset will make more red voters. Here's hoping the people of Coney Island and Little Russia come in too.
You won't make NY a red state. You can, however, make it more of a purple state. With the way things are going that will be achievable.
Post by: Uncle on November 04, 2022, 12:40:11 PM
Post by: james on November 04, 2022, 12:41:27 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2022, 12:41:53 PM
2008: 63% D
2012: 63% D
2016: 59% D
2020: 60% D
"New York isn't a blue state"
Post by: james on November 04, 2022, 12:44:49 PM
Presidential vote in the last 4 NY elections
2008: 63% D
2012: 63% D
2016: 59% D
2020: 60% D
"New York isn't a blue state"
Buffalo voted for Biden by like 90-10 but Himu struggles to understand maps and data
Meanwhile, the Biden economy is BOOMING
U.S. payrolls surged by 261,000 in October, better than expected as hiring remains strong
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/04/jobs-report-october-2022-.html
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2022, 12:50:56 PM
Presidential vote in the last 4 NY elections
2008: 63% D
2012: 63% D
2016: 59% D
2020: 60% D
"New York isn't a blue state"
I said,"New York isn't a blue state, fucking NYC is blue".
NYC has a population of 8 million. It runs the states politics. This is why I likened it to Illinois and Chicago.
Therefore, the key to NY is the NYC metro area. Since so many problems persist in NYC and the Democrats virtually run it without contest, it puts the failures in the city on the Democratic Party. Therefore, by poking those weaknesses - and there are many weaknesses and holes to exploit - you can definitely push to that 59-60% to a solid 50. And low and behold, you have a nice, princely purple.
You should read more and try to understand messages rather than dismissing them entirely.
Democrats in NYC have many problems, especially in Brooklyn. A couple of areas are problematic. If this race is close (my hopes), and Dems continue to spiral with their one party rule, there's a high possibility that even if Zeldin loses, GOP will be in play in a more purple NY the next governor election. Not a 100% likelihood, but a real possibility.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2022, 12:58:40 PM
You see where I'm going with this.
Post by: james on November 04, 2022, 01:05:33 PM
Right wingers not understanding
I mean, this is who they are
Post by: Nintex on November 04, 2022, 01:09:54 PM
Trump got just enough 4chan shitposters, American Psycho cosplayers, anti-communist cubans and angry truckers who normally didn't vote or hadn't voted in forever to make that happen.
Abuela Hilldawg just couldn't bring enough African Americans and Latinx to the polls as Obama did. In 2020 Joe Biden appealed to just enough White People with a mailbox to make up for Trump's inroads with people who never voted before 2020 and his newsletter subscribers regardless of background.
The Republican victory in 2022 much like 2020 depends on 2 things
1. Can they get enough minorities(!) to the polls
2. Can they keep enough educated white peopleTM in their lane
If the Republicans bleed too many rich educated and suburban white folks (especially women, as they did in 2020) they lose.
However their strength this time is the growing anti-establishment movement, the Qanon weirdo's and just folks angry with high gas prices. But also the more vocal conservative subculture, from Elon Musk and Joe Rogan to Kanye West. Who would normally be 'independent' or 'on the fence' and now fully support the GOP or rather the Trumpian elements of the GOP because Mitch is a RINO.
I think the polls underestimate the Republicans because some of their voters just aren't registering on the polling radar and we will see some wild shit on election night. I'm just not confident that their candidates can bring out the entire Trump coalition.
It's also possible that some conservatives who generally like the idea of a stable and boring government that McConnell and Liz Cheney provide them switch to the Democrats seeing that even without Trump their party is a clown circus.
With all that said I just don't see old people switch away from the horse that they backed in 2020 because they simply don't like the 'freewheeling' of Trump.
They're probably more in favor of lockdowns and decorum than they are of freedomTM and signing Playboy's at Saudi Golf Tournaments.
A big missed opportunity for the Democrats is not focusing on the 'don't switch your horse mid-race' mentality of the Biden boomers.
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2022, 01:17:55 PM
Presidential vote in the last 4 NY elections
2008: 63% D
2012: 63% D
2016: 59% D
2020: 60% D
"New York isn't a blue state"
Buffalo voted for Biden by like 90-10 but Himu struggles to understand maps and data
2017:
(https://i.imgur.com/chBmV0L.png)
2021:
(https://i.imgur.com/AGA8Nbp.png)
Barely won.
DeBlasio lost to a former police officer who promised to crack down on crime in Adams. A lot can happen in a few years. Like, say, a pandemic that the government thinks is worth shuttering businesses for months for, closing schools, and making lives harder. A little here, a little there, a couple of degenerates pushing people into subway trains and raping women in front of art museums with progressive DA's that minimize crime, and a party that says accusations of crime is wacist and low and behold. Magic.
You accuse me of not understanding maps and data. You're in Jersey. You don't nor did you live in the thicket of NYC in 2021 and 2022. I did. A lot can change real fast. A lot of presumptions on your part but that arrogance is a collective Democratic attribute, much to your peril.
Say hello to Virginia for me.
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2022, 01:19:14 PM
Right wingers not understanding how maps and districts work is weird as fuck. If the people live in a large portion of a state - vs far fewer people living in a bunch of small counties and districts....and the people in the large portion of the state heavily out number the rest...
You see where I'm going with this.
Always remember your avatar and humble yourself.
(https://i.imgur.com/f6AVsh7.gif)
Post by: tiesto on November 04, 2022, 01:21:01 PM
Presidential vote in the last 4 NY elections
2008: 63% D
2012: 63% D
2016: 59% D
2020: 60% D
"New York isn't a blue state"
I said,"New York isn't a blue state, fucking NYC is blue".
NYC has a population of 8 million. It runs the states politics. This is why I likened it to Illinois and Chicago.
Therefore, the key to NY is the NYC metro area. Since so many problems persist in NYC and the Democrats virtually run it without contest, it puts the failures in the city on the Democratic Party. Therefore, by poking those weaknesses - and there are many weaknesses and holes to exploit - you can definitely push to that 59-60% to a solid 50. And low and behold, you have a nice, princely purple.
You should read more and try to understand messages rather than dismissing them entirely.
Democrats in NYC have many problems, especially in Brooklyn. A couple of areas are problematic. If this race is close (my hopes), and Dems continue to spiral with their one party rule, there's a high possibility that even if Zeldin loses, GOP will be in play in a more purple NY the next governor election. Not a 100% likelihood, but a real possibility.
We've actually had a Republican governor from 95 - 06. But he was pretty moderate - pro choice, pro environment, pro lgbtq. But also tough on crime with lots of business tax breaks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pataki
You're not getting a theocratic, anti-lgbtq, anti-abortion "ultra MAGA" Republican here, you're getting a centrist corporatist neolib type (i.e. a Bloomberg or a Pataki) if anything. I bet if Pataki were active now he'd run as a Dem, with how far the Republican party moved to the right post-Romney.
Obviously, NYC is 'blue' (except for white working class heavy Staten). But NY does have a lot of other blue areas as well. Albany and its burbs filled with gov't workers and contractors. Westchester, filled with wealthy white professional-managerial class people and Hillary Clinton. The rust belt Erie Canal cities of Buffalo/Rochester/Syracuse/Utica (though their suburbs and exurbs definitely trend Republican). The scattering of college towns like Binghamton, Ithaca, and Oneonta. Even some rural retreats like Lake Placid and Saratoga Springs. And as I said before, LI is pretty damn split down the middle.
The middle of nowhere towns in the southern tier and the Adirondacks are where Trump won a majority. The kinds of places where the town getting a second traffic light installed is a major occasion, there are more cows than people, and the majority of their budget comes from state troopers pulling you over on the expressway for doing 2 miles over the speed limit.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2022, 01:54:34 PM
I'm sure Trump would find someone or something to blame all this on, and spread his message across his base effectively. Wouldn't work with normal voters but true believers would be ready to vote. Frankly, just as democrat true believers are ready to vote based on a variety of non-economic issues (democracy, climate change, etc).
Dems have wanted to talk about anything except inflation. I get it. From my professional view I understand this is largely about global events and the Fed. Laymen don't understand that, nor would I expect/demand them to. It's a game of musical chairs and sometimes you gotta sit in the chair full of shit. But the worse thing you could do is pretend none of this is happening, and it doesn't matter even if it is happening. I think preventing anti-democracy candidates from taking office is important but if I was a struggling mom trying to afford food/rent/gas, and too ugly to have my own Only Fans...sure I'd probably be considering my voting options right now.
Post by: james on November 04, 2022, 02:17:25 PM
And he'd sort of be right? A lot of the supply chain issues are due to their Covid-zero policy where they close giant manufacturing cities for two weeks at random.
"Blame the scary foreigners" is a tried and true tactic for getting votes.
Post by: Uncle on November 04, 2022, 02:19:44 PM
Post by: Nintex on November 04, 2022, 03:00:35 PM
May her soul rest on Twitter :salute
This story is still weird
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1588585442005618692 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1588585442005618692)
Post by: Potato on November 04, 2022, 03:44:05 PM
Trump would be on TV blaming China for the inflation.Well, it's that AND the trillions of dollars in cash that western countries printed to keep economies afloat while we shut our own economies down for months at a time.
And he'd sort of be right? A lot of the supply chain issues are due to their Covid-zero policy where they close giant manufacturing cities for two weeks at random.
"Blame the scary foreigners" is a tried and true tactic for getting votes.
Post by: Nintex on November 04, 2022, 03:52:53 PM
https://twitter.com/KyleMartinsen_/status/1588360460193202178 (https://twitter.com/KyleMartinsen_/status/1588360460193202178)
Post by: Uncle on November 04, 2022, 03:58:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xffOCZYX6F8
Post by: Uncle on November 04, 2022, 04:00:45 PM
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbhka3
Post by: Nintex on November 04, 2022, 06:07:55 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2022, 09:15:49 PM
This is New Jersey, breh, not New York.Presidential vote in the last 4 NY elections
2008: 63% D
2012: 63% D
2016: 59% D
2020: 60% D
"New York isn't a blue state"
Buffalo voted for Biden by like 90-10 but Himu struggles to understand maps and data
2017:
(https://i.imgur.com/chBmV0L.png)
2021:
(https://i.imgur.com/AGA8Nbp.png)
Barely won.
DeBlasio lost to a former police officer who promised to crack down on crime in Adams.No, he didn't. de Blasio was term limited.
You accuse me of not understanding maps and data.We're just trying to tell you that land doesn't vote.
tiesto has this right because every single Republican who has won in a Blue State in recent memory except Maine (which was an unique race) has been this model. Running culture warriors means moderates stay home, running "business-like guy who doesn't care about abortion is gonna try to run things better" is how they win there. (The irony of this describing Trump's political persona before he became obsessed with Obama remains amusing.)
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2022, 11:06:40 PM
Quote from: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/11/04/joy_reid_republicans_taught_people_the_word_inflation_it_is_not_part_of_the_normal_lexicon.html
"I have actually never heard a person who isn't an economist or works on CNBC [use the word inflation]," Reid said out loud.:hmm
"The only people I ever hear use the word inflation are journalists and economists," Reid said on television. "So, that is not part of the normal lexicon of the way people talk. So, it is interesting that Republicans are doing something that they don't normally do, right? Which is not use the common tongue, not use just common English to sort of use their campaigns like they do with crime. But what they’ve done is they've taught people the word 'inflation.' Most people would have never used that word ever in their lives are using it now because they’ve been taught it."
"Including on TV, including in newspapers," an incredulous Reid said. "They've been taught this word and they've sort of wrapped this word around whatever it is they really want to vote -- you know, the reasons they really want to vote."
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2022, 12:20:01 AM
YES YES YES GET FUCKED HIDALGO
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2022, 12:25:23 AM
This is New Jersey, breh, not New York.Presidential vote in the last 4 NY elections
2008: 63% D
2012: 63% D
2016: 59% D
2020: 60% D
"New York isn't a blue state"
Buffalo voted for Biden by like 90-10 but Himu struggles to understand maps and data
2017:
(https://i.imgur.com/chBmV0L.png)
2021:
(https://i.imgur.com/AGA8Nbp.png)
Barely won.DeBlasio lost to a former police officer who promised to crack down on crime in Adams.No, he didn't. de Blasio was term limited.You accuse me of not understanding maps and data.We're just trying to tell you that land doesn't vote.
tiesto has this right because every single Republican who has won in a Blue State in recent memory except Maine (which was an unique race) has been this model. Running culture warriors means moderates stay home, running "business-like guy who doesn't care about abortion is gonna try to run things better" is how they win there. (The irony of this describing Trump's political persona before he became obsessed with Obama remains amusing.)
I brought NJ and VA to show it can be surprisingly close not to say it's NY.
On the ground in NYC I hear Hochul is barely campaigning. I want it close. I doubt he will win but I want NY to get more purple. The Democrats strategy won't work long term there because despite whatever party affiliation you say they are, New Yorkers are surprisingly moderate. Hochul doesn't even admit crime is a problem. If her opponent weren't such a Trumper he could win.
The fact that Kamala and Hillary traveled to NEW YORK STATE to help in the governor's race says in itself a clear message to me and that's justice. :bow The best part is that Hochul being weak might hurt D's down ballot. Burn. BURN!!!!
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2022, 12:38:59 AM
I brought NJ and VA to show it can be surprisingly close not to say it's NY.NY/NJ/VA D Presidential Share
2008: 63/57/53
2012: 63/58/51
2016: 59/55/50
2020: 61/57/54
NY/NJ/VA D Gubernatorial Share (closet election to above)
2009/2010: 63/44/41
2013/2014: 54/38/48
2017/2018: 60/56/54
2021/2022: tbd/51/49
The states aren't remotely the same. Go back one more election in New York and Spitzer is at 65%. You can go back in the other two also if you want, Tim Kaine got 52% and Jon Corzine got 54%. A D gubernatorial candidate hasn't cracked 60% in NJ since 1989 and in VA since 1961. A D presidential candidate hasn't cracked 60% since FDR in VA and only LBJ has ever done it in NJ.
On the ground in NYC I hear Hochul is barely campaigning.Why would she campaign in NYC? Staten Island's the only place not D+40 or higher.
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2022, 12:48:46 AM
The fact the race is tightening gives me hope but it's a long shot. The good news is that NY Democrats will keep FUCKING IT UP and Hochul will continue down her tunnel to authoratarian bullshit.
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2022, 12:53:37 AM
I need her to lose, Benji. She is so bad!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2022, 12:55:13 AM
I need her to lose, Benji. She is so bad!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem
Grrrr!
I want a tight race. That's all I want. I want to see her sweat!
Biden won NY by 24 point margin! The fact it's so close after 2020. I can almost taste it! To be able to lead in the single digits in NY is a message in itself. She's. So. Fucking. Bad. Republicans have to make some noise. I don’t expect Zeldin is going to win. But I think he is going to get much closer than a Trump Republican should in NY and it will be a wake up call. It needs to be a wake up call. They cannot do what they did and get away with it.
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2022, 01:11:09 AM
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2022, 01:15:05 AM
Please expound. Them always getting away with it makes the case for the individual at all times?
Post by: Nintex on November 05, 2022, 05:22:23 AM
Now that's a take :dead
Post by: D3RANG3D on November 05, 2022, 06:23:33 AM
Post by: Nintex on November 05, 2022, 12:46:56 PM
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1588931362152742917 (https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1588931362152742917)
Post by: Occam on November 05, 2022, 03:11:28 PM
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on November 05, 2022, 03:44:13 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/11/05/msnbc-anchor-confronts-gov-hochul-on-crime-in-new-york/
"“We’ll never be San Francisco,” Hochul quickly interjected, who said the “most heinous” crimes — homicides, and shootings — were down from last year and that she was taking steps to remediate increases elsewhere.
She's had a lot of time, and now it's time to go.
(Also, personally disliked her "affordable" housing plan, which was to basically allow everyone to open up accessory apartments on Long Island. As if this dump isn't overcrowded enough.)
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2022, 03:53:42 PM
:stop
She says we won't be like San Francisco but she's operating on the same progressive bs policies that have dug SF into the hole it is while using authoritarian horse shit to flex her governor agenda by decree and not democratically chosen processes while people are getting killed and assaulted and raped. She is full of shit as she accuses the crime increase as a "Republican dog whistle" to escape the ramifications of her policies. She needs to go and I have no idea how she won her primary.
She is the main reason I am voting Republican from now on. She is the approximation of the Democratic Party Machine.
Kathy Hochul got skewered on MSNBC. Host suggested New York City was going the way of San Francisco.
Does SF have zones where homeless people are allowed to shoot up heroin in public without police reprimanding? Does SF have a very packed in community where you'll interact with a mentally ill person on the subway violently lashing out and screaming passengers in the face during the work commute at 7 am? Does SF have rats copulating in the streets in BROAD DAYLIGHT because of the increase of outdoor dining during the pandemic which they use as a free picnic in after hours?
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2022, 07:23:10 PM
:tocryI was just making a joke about how libertarians know members of the state almost always get away with everything.
Please expound. Them always getting away with it makes the case for the individual at all times?
She needs to go and I have no idea how she won her primary.I think the people running against her were all running to her left so they would have been even more in favor of the things you don't like.
Does SF have zones where homeless people are allowed to shoot up heroin in public without police reprimanding? Does SF have a very packed in community where you'll interact with a mentally ill person on the subway violently lashing out and screaming passengers in the face during the work commute at 7 am? Does SF have rats copulating in the streets in BROAD DAYLIGHT because of the increase of outdoor dining during the pandemic which they use as a free picnic in after hours?You'd probably like that San Fransicko book I read:
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1617708517l/56645981.jpg)
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2022, 07:24:12 PM
https://youtu.be/dpkfWKokVMg
Check the comments, assuming they're in good faith.
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I'm a black woman registered democrat in Brooklyn. I already voted for Zeldin. Her "idk why crime matters to you so much comment" was repulsive.
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and she insists on not changing the DA and bail laws... if she is that tone-deaf to the needs of NY citizens, she doesn't have a spirit of service.
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Let’s vote this lady out or New York will never change . They don’t care about bail reform . Their community are not getting touched by violence .
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I’m Asian and I voted all red today ! Safety and Inflation matter ! I have to worry my 70+ yr old parents out for doctor visit every time. We don’t live in the rich neighborhood. if u don’t feel crime is not the problem , then thank god u have a privilege life like our governor Hochol
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She running on a national platform when there are state issues.
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I live in Rochester city. Rochester had the highest rate of homicides ever in 2021. This year we might break that record. This Democrat is voting for Lee Zeldin. It's a matter of safety!
Despite how Republicans portray New Yorkers, New Yorkers are pragmatists. They are not Californian's. They vote Democratic, but they mostly love centrists. Look at their history of voting Republican lite Mayors in NYC like Bloomberg. James and PD talk about data and maps but it doesn't change anything when people don't feel safe. That's the problem with number monkeys. Meanwhile, peep me - the artist. Humans run on feelings, not data. Hochul is bad for NY and the epitome of the Democratic establishment. A candidate so bad she forced me to realize that progressive policy is a crock.
I wouldn't be shocked if my former two Asian leftist feminist roommates vote for Zeldin. Both are women and terrified of coming home or riding the subway. I bought both tactical flashlights for protection. Zeldin needs to win. I have seen absolutely zero enthusiasm for her.
One of these days I'm going to upload the video I took after the mass shooting I was almost in. Walked nearly 30 streets to get to work while fire trucks and police went by for nearly an hour.
Post by: who is ted danson? on November 05, 2022, 07:41:51 PM
Does SF have zones where homeless people are allowed to shoot up heroin in public without police reprimanding? Does SF have a very packed in community where you'll interact with a mentally ill person on the subway violently lashing out and screaming passengers in the face during the work commute at 7 am? Does SF have rats copulating in the streets in BROAD DAYLIGHT because of the increase of outdoor dining during the pandemic which they use as a free picnic in after hours?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFme5QgpJxo
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2022, 07:50:31 PM
You'd probably like that San Fransicko book I read:
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Look at SF it seems there's starting to be a really big anti-progressive movement. I welcome it. I relish it. If Democrats start to push back against progressivism and embrace 80's-90's style politics I might - then and only then - consider voting Democratic again. Progressivism has shown its face. Much like socialism and communism, it is a toothless failure. All bark, no bite. Get those homeless people off the street. Get those criminals in prison. I don't care if it's "racist". I don't care about equity. They made the choice to break the law. Let's all agree that progressive politics was a big ass experiment and go back to what works (although it definitely has its flaws as nothing is perfect) while fixing the issues of the past (like the drug war). No need to throw the baby out with the bath water.
I'll pick up this book at the library.
One of these days I'm going to upload the video I took after the mass shooting I was almost in. Walked nearly 30 streets to get to work while fire trucks and police went by for nearly an hour.
Sheeeit, I'm going to upload it this weekend.
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2022, 08:34:52 PM
Shit I've been saying for literally a year: progressive policy wasted billions in our tax dollars to no results. Billions. Reopen asylums and book addicts in mental institutions and rehab places to get help and off our streets.
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Shellenberger is a former liberal activist who now believes progressive policies are harmful. He lives in the San Francisco area and has seen the city deteriorate into the homeless capital of America with the highest drug overdose death rate.
He explains that this downfall stems from the progressive view that the homeless, addicts, and criminals are social victims and are thus entitled to almost any destructive behavior they want. This has led to major cities like San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Seattle allowing parks to be open drug encampments, sidewalks to be toilets, and streets to be controlled by violent criminals.
It was only about fifty years ago that homelessness was generally unknown. Back then courts would assign the mentally ill to mandatory treatment in mental hospitals. But in the 1970s civil libertarians led by the ACLU were successful in closing most of the mental hospitals and ending mandatory treatment. The result is that the mentally ill are now living on the streets, openly using drugs, filling the streets with human waste, and committing crimes to get drug money.
State and local governments, especially in California, joined the deinstitutionalization movement as it promised cost savings. But now these entities have ended up paying more in hospital, police, court, and welfare costs. California spends billions per year.
The people profiting from this system are homeless activists, contractors, consultants, service providers, attorneys, inspectors, and lobbyists who execute and support the current progressive homeless policies. But they have no legal accountability for their failed policies even though they are funded by tax dollars. California spends the most on the homeless but has the worst results.
This book was published in 2021 when the progressive homeless system seemed beyond repair. But in 2022 signs appeared the public had become sick and tired of progressive policies around the country. First voters recalled three progressive members of the San Francisco School Board. Then they recalled the progressive San Francisco District Attorney who refused to prosecute the homeless for almost any crime. Meanwhile voters in Maryland just defeated the progressive state attorney.
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I consider myself a progressive Democrat but also worked in acute adult psychiatric units as a Licensed Psychiatric Technician & then a Registered Nurse. Part on my job was assessing patients in the emergency room to determine if they were a danger to themselves, a danger to others of “gravely disabled.” Back then “ gravely disabled” was defined as “unable to provide food, clothing & shelter for themselves,” and a tent on the sidewalk was not considered “shelter.” Back then, we cared about those that were unable to manage their own lives & never imagined that there was anything compassionate about letting the mentally ill live on the streets & self medicating with alcohol, opiates & meth. Back then, I could write a 72 hour hold called a “5150.” The patient would be assessed for 72 hours & then would see a judge to determine if they needed further assessment for 14 days. During these assessment periods, patients were cleaned up & often treated for lice or scabies & given psychotropic medication to treat the voices that often tormented them. They got three good meals & snacks. They had a real roof over their head & protected from the elements & others out on the streets that woukd take advantage & victimize them. At the end of 14 days, there would be another hearing with a judge to determine if the patient was now stable enough to manage their lives or if they needed long term care in a conservatorship. This kind of care was expensive, though & during the 80’s, psychiatric units began to close, leaving patients nowhere to go but the streets. Sadly, many misguided but maybe well meaning people were willing accomplices in this tragedy, saying it was a “civil right” to be tortured by mental illness, addiction & predators on the streets. Civil right? The author of this book cuts right through that nonsense. He shows clearly the failures of policies that perpetuate the false narrative that homelessness is a real estate problem. I wish every politician would read this book! You should read it too if mentally ill living in tents & pooping on the sidewalks & open air drug dealing is a concern for you. The author actually gets it.
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Summary: The road to hades is paved with good intentions.
An excellent book that pretty well nails how San Francisco and California at large got to where they are today from the golden state of years past. The short answer is complex but well intentioned liberal and progressive persons (this is not an insult) attempted to make things better for the downtrodden, the drug addicted, and the now freely roaming mentally ill persons who in years past would have been institutionalized.
All notable goals to be sure, but the problem is always the same, such people seem to forget the basic tenants of human nature. Drug users will often slip back into addiction despite the best treatment available, Criminals fall back into recivististic ways, mentally ill persons stop taking their medications if there is no one to make sure they take the drugs BECAUSE the don't like the way the drugs make them feel, People start non profits to help people, but help themselves to large amounts of government grants and funds FIRST. Those same bureaucrats are just as intent on keeping the problems in place than give them jobs than to solve or end problems, Many, many people get involved intending to make things better but burn out or accept the status quo, and all in all NOTHING GETS BETTER.
California has served as the focal point of all these problems coming together under a unique set of circumstances, where despite lots of people wanting to improve things, competing interests and lots of money have made sure the problems will never get fixed.
It is truly sad. This book exposes how the situation came to be . . and even offered solutions are not likely to change anything. Beware of anyone that offers they are from the government and here to help you!
This is the fruit of trusting government to help you rather than just be something that provides the tools for success.
Post by: Nintex on November 05, 2022, 08:56:38 PM
First thing the Taliban did was pick up the drug addicts and hospitalize them
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2022, 09:18:03 PM
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Walking plays a central role in New York City’s transportation system. According to the US Census, two thirds of New York City residents either walk or take transit to work. Fewer than 30 percent of residents in New York City commute by personal vehicle.
https://www.walkfriendly.org/communities/new-york-city-ny/
In other cities you can get by with a car. In NYC owning a car is a negative and goes against you because of limited parking and taxes.
And you're pushing "let them sleep on the subway, they have nowhere to go" on New Yorkers? :goty And you can't carry a gun on you for protection?? And they're pushing for more anti-gun laws?? Sheeeit. Fuck that. :sabu One time some homeless dude asked me to walk with him to a Chinese restaurant to buy him food. His approach made me uncomfortable so I said no. Dude just whipped his dick out and peed in my direction. Less than 9 feet away. In another city I avoid this by driving. If I were a woman he could have tried to rape me and if he's pulling his dick out there's a chance he's probably tried.
Liberals ignoring human nature puts a major dent in many of their initiatives, personally. Naive to a fault. It was a major burn to accept the fact that Republicans were right the entire time.
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2022, 09:45:34 PM
:hmm
Post by: D3RANG3D on November 05, 2022, 09:50:03 PM
Post by: Potato on November 05, 2022, 09:59:27 PM
Ignore the first tweet. Read the reply.
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2022, 10:04:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ybRjHXz.png)
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2022, 10:07:58 PM
THREATDOWN:
(https://i.imgur.com/ybRjHXz.png)
They are?? I'd vote for them.
Post by: D3RANG3D on November 05, 2022, 10:10:54 PM
THREATDOWN:
(https://i.imgur.com/ybRjHXz.png)
(https://www.thecoli.com/media/cb4-mjlol.20162/full?lightbox=1&last_edit_date=1580256888)
Post by: Uncle on November 06, 2022, 01:05:42 AM
at one point there was a sense of loyalty to a job and the owners might try to characterize it a "family," but work reform sentiments now have the average person taking a look at whether they're being exploited by their job, and being quicker to say "nope the pay is not worth this shit" and moving on
so, to some extent has that carried over into politics? there used to be a sense of loyalty to a political party, and the idea that "I don't love the guy's work in our district but I'm straight ballot and I'd rather see D/R in power." now, everyone seems quicker to apply local scrutiny, and if the candidate is doing a shit job, are you really going to stick to some theoretical partisan ideals while actually suffering?
whether it's left or right, it feels like people aren't putting up with bullshit that directly affects them and can be voted out
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2022, 01:47:45 AM
I'm wondering if the recent surge in a culture of individual empowerment is having an effect on elections too
at one point there was a sense of loyalty to a job and the owners might try to characterize it a "family," but work reform sentiments now have the average person taking a look at whether they're being exploited by their job, and being quicker to say "nope the pay is not worth this shit" and moving on
so, to some extent has that carried over into politics? there used to be a sense of loyalty to a political party, and the idea that "I don't love the guy's work in our district but I'm straight ballot and I'd rather see D/R in power." now, everyone seems quicker to apply local scrutiny, and if the candidate is doing a shit job, are you really going to stick to some theoretical partisan ideals while actually suffering?
whether it's left or right, it feels like people aren't putting up with bullshit that directly affects them and can be voted out
Good observation!
In my reading, there's a few things:
1. Americans don't trust either party to have power:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ipsos-preelection-survey-likely-voters/
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We also asked respondents why they felt each party had or hadn’t earned the right to govern. Sixty-eight percent of likely voters who didn’t think the Democratic Party should have continued control said its policies and plans were moving the country in the wrong direction. A 41-year-old Republican multiracial woman from Oklahoma said that Democrats “create tension between groups who feel marginalized at the expense of the country to create an emotional frenzy that will drive people to the polls. I am a former Democrat and feel disgust at the lack of morals or ethics shown by the party.” Among those who thought Democrats should continue to govern, 44 percent cited their belief that Democrats were moving the country in the right direction, while 17 percent cited their work to pass major and important legislation. Another 19 percent also said Democrats should have control simply because they were “better than the Republicans.”
As for those who wanted Republicans to control Congress, 51 percent cited GOP policies and plans, while 28 percent answered because “Democrats are ruining the country.” Just 13 percent answered that they thought the GOP would do a better job dealing with the economy, although some voters thinking about inflation or rising costs may have indicated that they broadly preferred Republican policies. Meanwhile, there wasn’t one obvious reason why some likely voters felt the GOP shouldn’t have power: Thirty-six percent said GOP policies and plans would move the country in the wrong direction, 30 percent said Republicans had not presented a clear plan for what they would do in Congress, and 16 percent felt Republican “values and beliefs were bad or wrong.” When asked to describe the values and beliefs of the GOP, a 72-year-old woman from California who identified as a Democrat wrote, “The current group calling themselves the Republican Party are a corrupt group who are no longer disguising their true intentions, which are solely to create immense personal wealth and power for themselves.”
I agree with the lady that the Democratic Party is disgusting and also my former party!
2. The President's Party or the party in power ALWAYS has trouble at midterms, especially if it's their first midterm in power since gaining the Presidency. However this midterm feels different with tight races in Democratic strongholds such as Oregon or Virginia getting a Republican governor. It won't be possible to surmise any true trends until after election and we gather data but it feels like there's more evidence towards...
3. A Party realignment. Working class voters of all races are leaving the Democratic Party and becoming Republican. Republicans are slowly becoming the new party of the working class due to Trumpism. Even McConnell shot down the idea of killing social security. GOP is becoming more economically liberal while still remaining socially conservative.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3580130-america-is-heading-toward-its-third-great-political-realignment/
https://www.newsweek.com/political-realignment-scrambling-party-lines-opinion-1659829
4. In conclusion, if both parties are flawed and they're constantly changing values year over year, and you only have two real options, and if you want to be a voter...why not vote for whoever the fuck you want?
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2022, 02:16:27 AM
Fuck the Democratic Party, their policies, their disgusting collectivism, and their vapid progressive clap trap. W was correct in their "lowered expectations" racism, in that they reward criminals from escaping justice. The terrorist of this attack, Frank James, was arrested in NY nine times. The homeless man that pushed the homeless activist in front of a subway train? Arrested ten times.
https://youtu.be/rZToNflF1z8
Racist? No. Truthful. Fuck liberals. Republicans were right the whole time. Humbling to admit I was wrong my whole life but it is what it is.
Post by: Nintex on November 06, 2022, 06:02:46 AM
Rip offs can't beat the original
https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1589043045198352384 (https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1589043045198352384)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 06, 2022, 06:28:28 AM
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2022, 07:32:32 AM
The left. Ruins. Culture.
The Brooklyn Nets (oh wow, Brooklyn. Why am I shocked?!) issues this on Twitter.
At this point it's flat out bullying. This is what has become of America: a fragile, group of candy ass mfers.
https://www.facebook.com/7331091005/posts/pfbid0rqWU4RUAeGBXA5Udy6zFW9kxDtdQLrCus1AvAH1sbdS4nEJmgiKikYv8fVXc1fuLl/?sfnsn=mo
And the beautiful part? They turn Kyrie into a martyr. These dumb ass fascistic assholes couldn't just talk to Kyrie in private. Nah. They had to put attention on....a stupid mfing black Hebrew Israelite video which now gets more attention and play. And now a 5 game suspension? Peep the comments. They've turned him into a martyr. The left has got to go. Bad for America, bad for the world. It's truly amazing how the left simply canNOT consider human nature.
Like, I don't even care about the nicca and now they got me riding for the brother. Truly disgusting people. They make me sick. Bunch of reddit moderators irl. Dirty ass mother fuckers.
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2022, 07:39:05 AM
Post by: Nintex on November 06, 2022, 08:10:57 AM
Also no wars and cheap gas.
non-American news who don't just copy/paste CNN and Reuters are also finding out that the Republicans are surging everywhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=das691USKa8
Post by: Tasty on November 06, 2022, 08:29:06 AM
the latest thing I keep seeing everywhere that kinda pisses me off: the pervasive narrative that republicans want to end social security, or that killing it is imminent in current active GOP plans somehow
constant memes, comments and fearmingering across the internet e.g.
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I'd looked into this previously and it seemed like a whole lot of nothing but I just checked again:
https://www.google.com/search?q=are+republicans+really+trying+to+stop+social+security
the top link I get is washington post debunking it (but they're centrist so you can't trust them I guess), followed by an entire page of more fearmongering
(https://i.imgur.com/NlxhSDS.png)
the wapo article out from under paywall: https://web.archive.org/web/20220927194723/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/QuoteNow comes the latest iteration of this campaign attack. But it’s just as empty as the previous ones.
The main source of this accusation is a document issued by Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), chair of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which helps elect Republicans to the Senate. In February, Scott released a 60-page “11-point plan to rescue America” that offered 128 proposals.
Buried on Page 38, in a section on government restructuring, was one sentence: “All federal legislation sunsets in 5 years. If a law is worth keeping, Congress can pass it again.”
“Sunset” is inside-the-Beltway lingo. The Congressional Research Service offers this definition: “The sunset concept provides for programs and agencies to terminate automatically on a periodic basis unless explicitly renewed by law.” In theory, then, even a venerable program such as Social Security or Medicare would have to prove its worth all over again every five years, though neither was specifically mentioned.
Scott’s plan was almost immediately rejected by most Senate Republicans. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) was especially harsh.
“We will not have as part of our agenda a bill that raises taxes on half of the American people and sunsets Social Security and Medicare within five years,” McConnell told reporters March 1. “That will not be part of a Republican Senate majority agenda.”
not only that, the guy who supposedly wants to end social security seems to want to save it:QuoteDuring an interview with Fox News on March 27, Scott was asked whether his plan could “potentially sunset programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.” He dismissed that as “Democratic talking points” and said his proposal was intended to focus attention on how to deal with potential funding shortfalls in the future.
“No one that I know of wants to sunset Medicare or Social Security, but what we’re doing is we don’t even talk about it. Medicare goes bankrupt in four years. Social Security goes bankrupt in 12 years,” Scott said. “I think we ought to figure out how we preserve those programs. Every program that we care about, we ought to stop and take the time to preserve those programs.”
(It’s beyond the scope of this fact check, but Scott’s “bankrupt” language is exaggerated. Payments would continue but at reduced levels, according to the annual reports issued by the administrators of the programs’ trust funds. As we have noted before, Medicare’s Part A fund has, since 1970, been on the brink of going “broke” — but always manages to stay afloat.)
maybe he's fucking lying and insidiously saying he wants to save it when really given a moment's power over it would ax it immediately?
and there are also fake infographics floating around that claim to represent republican plans regarding social security:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-commitment-america-fake-graphic-727152796030
I don't trust most republican plans or sources, nor do they usually deserve defense or benefit of the doubt, but I'd like to be able to trust...literally anyone
:fbm
I don't even think republicans value social security and probably are looking for ways to screw people out of it or raise the minimum age, I just don't think it's imminent and if it were true would be wildly unpopular even within their base
like come the fuck on, don't pounce on the tiniest thing you think you can exploit to spread FUD
Eh the GOP was trying to be cool with gays until recently. They toned down the repeal Roe comments for decades waiting for the right time to strike.
If they aren't talking about it, that's no guarantee they won't shift gears as soon as they think they have the votes.
Post by: Occam on November 06, 2022, 10:25:07 AM
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Post-ABC poll: House vote nearly split, GOP has edge on economy and turnout
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/06/midterms-poll-republicans-democrats/
Post by: Nintex on November 06, 2022, 10:43:36 AM
~48 hours to change hearts and minds
Post by: Uncle on November 06, 2022, 11:35:15 AM
Eh the GOP was trying to be cool with gays until recently. They toned down the repeal Roe comments for decades waiting for the right time to strike.
If they aren't talking about it, that's no guarantee they won't shift gears as soon as they think they have the votes.
I agree, but that's not the messaging
I would not have any problem if the prevailing narrative was "republicans have always been looking to cut social security, regardless of what they say you can expect them to work against it, keep them out of power to protect social security"
instead the message is "LOOK THEY ACTUALLY CAME OUT AND SAID THEY'RE GETTING RID OF IT!! THIS IS THEIR REAL 100% PLAN" which is not true
when republicans lie about democrats it makes them look just as bad for the same reasons, when they say shit like "the democrats want to put litterboxes in schools for furry students" and it's always been a dumb hoax, and we all point it out as a dumb lie
when the republicans don't actually have an explicitly stated plan to get rid of social security, we also have to point that out as a lie
Post by: Occam on November 06, 2022, 01:38:31 PM
They offer no solutions to any problems (real or made up). A constant stream of manufactured outrage is enough to motivate their uneducated simpleton voters to keep voting against their own best interests. Combined with gerrymandering they have found the perfect formula how to gain and retain power despite representing a minority.
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2022, 04:24:19 PM
https://twitter.com/joeroganhq/status/1588880781975638016My thoughts about filming a video of another tweet showing a video?
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2022, 04:27:41 PM
The Republican party has no public plan for anything. They haven't had a party platform since 2020.I really think you should learn about American politics if you want to keep commenting so passionately on them. I'm not saying you can't keep going about like Nintex if that's what you want to do but you seem like someone who wants more than that.
They offer no solutions to any problems (real or made up). A constant stream of manufactured outrage is enough to motivate their uneducated simpleton voters to keep voting against their own best interests. Combined with gerrymandering they have found the perfect formula how to gain and retain power despite representing a minority.
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2022, 04:30:21 PM
The Republican party has no public plan for anything. They haven't had a party platform since 2020.
They offer no solutions to any problems (real or made up). A constant stream of manufactured outrage is enough to motivate their uneducated simpleton voters to keep voting against their own best interests. Combined with gerrymandering they have found the perfect formula how to gain and retain power despite representing a minority.
Why is everyone flocking to Florida and red states then?
Republican Party issues:
- Crime
- Economy
- Education
- Economic Opportunity
- Curating a society that doesn't teach its citizens to hate its country
- Lower taxes
- Putting a stop sign where the left is all gas, no brakes in terms of societal issues and culture
- Free speech and anti-censorship
- A good life - not a perfect one but opportunity to achieve a pretty good one
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2022, 04:41:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=das691USKa8
Right wingers don't understand data.
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2022, 04:45:19 PM
Republican Party issues:Not sure about all of these currently.
- Economy
- Economic Opportunity
- Curating a society that doesn't teach its citizens to hate its country
- Lower taxes
- Free speech and anti-censorship
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2022, 05:02:04 PM
Republican Party issues:Not sure about all of these currently.
- Economy
- Economic Opportunity
- Curating a society that doesn't teach its citizens to hate its country
- Lower taxes
- Free speech and anti-censorship
:yeshrug We will see. Whomever the next GOP Presidential candidate is they need to be as aspirational as possible to make the Democratic Party look even more weak, pathetic, accusatory, and victim-minded, un-American socialists.
It helps that the left keeps making GOP's case for them without doing much.
https://twitter.com/monitoringbias/status/1587864930065096704
https://twitter.com/RealDSchmidt/status/1588927681634017281
I personally think DeSantis has made a good case for the conservative position although he isn't perfect.
Have you seen this, Benji?
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Some conservatives turn on Trump for attacking Ron DeSantis ahead of midterms: ‘What an idiot’
Conservative commentators who are typically Donald Trump's allies turned on the former president after he went after Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Saturday.
Trump mocked DeSantis as "Ron DeSanctimonious" while discussing the 2024 Republican presidential primary at a rally in Pennsylvania. The pair is widely considered to be the top contenders for the Republican nomination, though DeSantis has offered no indication he intends to run. Commentators called out Trump for creating division in the ranks just three days before the midterm elections.
"DeSantis is an extremely effective conservative governor who has had real policy wins and real cultural wins. Trump isn’t going to be able to take this one down with a dumb nickname. He better have more than that up his sleeve," wrote Matt Walsh, a commentator at The Daily Wire and a leading voice among social conservatives.
"Also, nice job launching your public attack against the most popular conservative governor in America three days before the midterms when we’re all supposed to be showing a united front," he added.
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1589062635575685122
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1589062876945186817
https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/1589146046881730560
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1589069494928179203
https://twitter.com/ben_kew/status/1589076322139402240
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1589084223990018048
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/some-conservatives-turn-trump-attacking-ron-desantis-ahead-of-midterms-what-idiot
Republicans need to come to consensus, and once we do we will decide. However as of now, Ron is the only one that can beat Trump and I question Trump's chances in 2024. Though, to be fair, the reason he won in 2020 was because Republicans flipped and right now with momentum in the winds they'll likely flip back to GOP. Biden won by a hair. But I don't see Trump creating a 1980 style rout. I do with Ron.
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2022, 05:08:03 PM
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2022, 05:09:51 PM
Do you mind going through each point to articulate your perspective?
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2022, 05:32:35 PM
And DeSantis, like Texas, wants to use the government to censor speech.
Post by: Uncle on November 06, 2022, 05:43:23 PM
while democrats preach that america commits so many colonialist/interventionist sins and is the worst country for not having healthcare and being infested with racist whiteness, republicans seem to preach a love for america that includes casting dirty looks at neighbors who might have valid reasons for not feeling similarly, but are nonetheless just as core a part of america
it's like a desperate, performative, reactive love that only happens because the other guys aren't doing it and you have to do the opposite of what those guys are doing
Post by: Uncle on November 06, 2022, 05:45:10 PM
"ironically we must hate hatred of america in order to be loving"
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2022, 05:56:11 PM
There's a rhetorical difference between Reagan/Obama and Carter/Trump.
Post by: Nintex on November 06, 2022, 06:10:55 PM
The crime is of course a direct result of the economic downturn. Few of them seem particularly invested or interested in the 2020 election or January 6th riot hearings.
As much as Trump, Obama and Biden and others want this to be about a different vision for America this election is first and foremost about issues close to home which in nearly all cases favors conservatives.
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2022, 06:13:45 PM
:hmm
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2022, 06:14:13 PM
:american :american :american :american
Post by: Polident Hive on November 06, 2022, 06:21:31 PM
So much of the media telling dems to vote isn’t like, have hope for the future, we’re building a better America, optimism. It’s shit like, Democracy will die if you don’t vote. We’re 10 seconds to midnight so vote to avert nuclear holocaust. Remember Hitler? Vote to prevent Satan from resurrecting his corpse. Lots of fear and prevention and typically what I’d associate with Republican ads. Trying to scare people into support.
I’m gonna do what I’ve always done. Vote blue. Then scribble Bob Dole Bob Dole Bob Dole on the margins.
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2022, 06:34:57 PM
Speaking purely anecdotally, I’ve seen the rhetoric push people into apathy. Whether that means toward the Republic party, who can say. But it’s one vote less for Democrats, so.Very short term thinking. What happens when the Republicans win?
So much of the media telling dems to vote isn’t like, have hope for the future, we’re building a better America, optimism. It’s shit like, Democracy will die if you don’t vote. We’re 10 seconds to midnight so vote to avert nuclear holocaust. Remember Hitler? Vote to prevent Satan from resurrecting his corpse. Lots of fear and prevention and typically what I’d associate with Republican ads. Trying to scare people into support.
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Post by: Nintex on November 06, 2022, 06:36:47 PM
Speaking purely anecdotally, I’ve seen the rhetoric push people into apathy. Whether that means toward the Republic party, who can say. But it’s one vote less for Democrats, so.All they have left is fear because nothing else worked and if the GOP wins that fear mongering will only increase.
So much of the media telling dems to vote isn’t like, have hope for the future, we’re building a better America, optimism. It’s shit like, Democracy will die if you don’t vote. We’re 10 seconds to midnight so vote to avert nuclear holocaust. Remember Hitler? Vote to prevent Satan from resurrecting his corpse. Lots of fear and prevention and typically what I’d associate with Republican ads. Trying to scare people into support.
I’m gonna do what I’ve always done. Vote blue. Then scribble Bob Dole Bob Dole Bob Dole on the margins.
They had hoped or rather were certain that the January 6th hearings would end Trump's political career once and for all.
I also think they're starting to believe their own narrative.
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1589303777177505792 (https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1589303777177505792)
But can you blame them?
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2022, 08:25:50 PM
So much of the media telling dems to vote isn’t like, have hope for the future, we’re building a better America, optimism. It’s shit like, Democracy will die if you don’t vote. We’re 10 seconds to midnight so vote to avert nuclear holocaust. Remember Hitler? Vote to prevent Satan from resurrecting his corpse. Lots of fear and prevention and typically what I’d associate with Republican ads. Trying to scare people into support.
Like I said, the Democratic Party is no longer the party of upward mobility, aspiration, or positivity. It is a party of fear and Think As We Do.
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2022, 08:54:50 PM
Not sure how you can claim to be for economic opportunity and low taxes when you want to impose high taxes on people who do business with people you don't like.
And DeSantis, like Texas, wants to use the government to censor speech.
I think this is a singular example and yet it doesn't seem to dent people's opinion of him in Florida. On the contrary, I and others see it as a positive because I think increasingly the populace is growing tired of corporate social rhetoric being shoved in our faces. The reaction to Kyrie helps reinforce this, as well as what's going on in San Francisco. Disney tying itself to the education sexual/gender law, which is pretty popular in Florida - even among Democrats - was barking up the wrong tree.
Do you have any other examples?
Because:
Miami is becoming a tech hub (https://news.crunchbase.com/venture/why-miami-is-the-next-hot-tech-hub/)
Florida's job growth outpaces the nation (https://www.thecentersquare.com/florida/florida-job-growth-continues-to-outpace-nation/article_3617d4e0-aec4-11ec-8c08-ff6bba46ac06.html)
DeSantis even has the capability of appeasing progressives with his nature conservancy policies (https://www.nature.org/content/dam/tnc/nature/en/documents/TNC-Florida-2021-Legislative-Results-Report-Final.pdf)
Florida students are outpacing their peers post-Pandemic (https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2022/10/24/national-assessment-of-educational-progress-florida-hillsborough-pinellas-pasco-addison-davis-kevin-hendrick-scores/)
Comparing the conservative policies of Florida and the progressive policies of states like New York, it's pretty clear what works and what doesn't. Progressivism, much like its cousin socialism, doesn't work. Conservativism does. Conservative states were right on Covid. In the early of days of Covid I felt blue states were right but nope, red states won the long game and were correct about everything, include illiberal vaccine mandates.
What government censorship through speech has happened? The "Covid Whistleblower?" Is she really to be trusted? (https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/06/04/democrat-who-ran-floridas-pandemic-response-blasts-rebekah-jones-for-running-a-disinformation-campaign-1385039) I don't think so. Florida IG found she had no real grounds. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-ig-report-insufficient-evidence-desantis-critics-claims-covid-rcna30647)
Say what you will but what I'm seeing is that Ron DeSantis' conservatism works. He is a sharp leader, manages to evade media attacks on his character unlike Trump, leads (and wins) the culture war, keeps gender and sexuality extremists from getting to our kids, refuses to teach the anti-American CRT in Florida schools. Florida offers tons of economic freedom, opportunity, and jobs as well low taxes. It's win after win after win.
No, he's not perfect. I strongly disagree with his opinion on Muslims but there's hope in me that opinion can be changed.
DeSantis seems one of the few governors in this nation getting things done that the constituents actually give af about. Him and Polis. Unfortunately for Dems, Polis is gay and will never be elected because of that but his excellent composure, common sense policies, and speaking to every day American concerns makes him the future of the Democratic Party - if they ever l earn to wise up and stop being re re's.
If Ron Desantis runs there's a lot of hope in me he could become the next Reagan. Here's hoping he brings America to a new age of prosperity. Unfortunately Trump just won't shut up and disappear and Ron is a good Republican who doesn't want to split the GOP vote so he won't run against him but DeSantis/Gabbard is my dream ticket. Maybe DeSantis/Haley. It'll be funny and beautiful if Republicans have the first female President. Libs will reeeeeeeeeeeeee so hard. Can't wait.
If I not for my love for four seasons, Florida would make a wonderful home.
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2022, 09:05:17 PM
What government censorship through speech has happened? The "Covid Whistleblower?" Is she really to be trusted? (https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/06/04/democrat-who-ran-floridas-pandemic-response-blasts-rebekah-jones-for-running-a-disinformation-campaign-1385039) I don't think so. Florida IG found she had no real grounds. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-ig-report-insufficient-evidence-desantis-critics-claims-covid-rcna30647)No, not that, but the whole thing where he tried to ignore the First Amendment and allow the government to censor speech online (https://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/files/202112355.pdf).
And I never said anything about whether or not DeSantis' attacks on free speech were popular or not, of course threatening to retaliate against Disney's harmless speech is going to be popular with idiots.
Additionally, you said "Republicans" not DeSantis specifically but I haven't see anything from DeSantis that indicates he differs on being against economic opportunity and low taxes like Trump and the rest of MAGA.
Post by: Potato on November 06, 2022, 10:17:00 PM
As an outsider, I have two observations/rhetorical questions about the US and 6 January...Speaking purely anecdotally, I’ve seen the rhetoric push people into apathy. Whether that means toward the Republic party, who can say. But it’s one vote less for Democrats, so.All they have left is fear because nothing else worked and if the GOP wins that fear mongering will only increase.
So much of the media telling dems to vote isn’t like, have hope for the future, we’re building a better America, optimism. It’s shit like, Democracy will die if you don’t vote. We’re 10 seconds to midnight so vote to avert nuclear holocaust. Remember Hitler? Vote to prevent Satan from resurrecting his corpse. Lots of fear and prevention and typically what I’d associate with Republican ads. Trying to scare people into support.
I’m gonna do what I’ve always done. Vote blue. Then scribble Bob Dole Bob Dole Bob Dole on the margins.
They had hoped or rather were certain that the January 6th hearings would end Trump's political career once and for all.
I also think they're starting to believe their own narrative.
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1589303777177505792 (https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1589303777177505792)
But can you blame them?
- How mental is the electorate that it didn't end Trump's political career?
- How shite have the Dems been that it didn't end Trump's political career?
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2022, 10:19:30 PM
As an outsider, I have two observations/rhetorical questions about the US and 6 January...Nobody cared about Trump not knowing or caring anything about the law before they elected him the first time, why would they care when he just confirmed what everyone already knew by thinking Pence could personally stop an election? The President wanting to ignore the law doesn't animate anybody because it's totally normal.
- How mental is the electorate that it didn't end Trump's political career?
- How shite have the Dems been that it didn't end Trump's political career?
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2022, 10:38:02 PM
As an outsider, I have two observations/rhetorical questions about the US and 6 January...Speaking purely anecdotally, I’ve seen the rhetoric push people into apathy. Whether that means toward the Republic party, who can say. But it’s one vote less for Democrats, so.All they have left is fear because nothing else worked and if the GOP wins that fear mongering will only increase.
So much of the media telling dems to vote isn’t like, have hope for the future, we’re building a better America, optimism. It’s shit like, Democracy will die if you don’t vote. We’re 10 seconds to midnight so vote to avert nuclear holocaust. Remember Hitler? Vote to prevent Satan from resurrecting his corpse. Lots of fear and prevention and typically what I’d associate with Republican ads. Trying to scare people into support.
I’m gonna do what I’ve always done. Vote blue. Then scribble Bob Dole Bob Dole Bob Dole on the margins.
They had hoped or rather were certain that the January 6th hearings would end Trump's political career once and for all.
I also think they're starting to believe their own narrative.
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1589303777177505792 (https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1589303777177505792)
But can you blame them?
- How mental is the electorate that it didn't end Trump's political career?
- How shite have the Dems been that it didn't end Trump's political career?
You're starting to get it! You're starting to think like an American.
My man!
Americans have only two viable, real options. So if Dems are shit, Republicans are the only option. Likewise, if Republicans are shit, Democrats are our only option. Democrats historically are shit and refuse to soul search. They always end up blaming voters (i.e. "voting against their interests") than fixing their issues. Look at 2016 and their reaction to Trump winning. Initially it was met with,"are we the baddies?" type soul searching but quickly evolved into "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA".
As for Trump and J6, I mean. President Clinton lied UNDER OATH. W and Obama committed war crimes with zero punishment sans a reporters shoe thrown at Bush's face. Presidents always escape true repercussions so why care? What option do we have? Vote for the Democratic Party who blames everything on Russia and refuses any ounce of introspection?
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2022, 11:55:59 PM
"Nobody cared about the Mueller Report because Bob Barr lied!" No, nobody cared about the Mueller Report for the same reason nobody cared about the 9/11 Commission Report or any other of the thousands of reports issued by the government constantly. "But you need to read the report, all the details are..." Exactly, shut up and go away weirdo, let me know when it's actually something important. "So, benji, you're really defending what..." No, I'm telling you why normal people don't give a shit about whatever shit you're amped up on at the moment that you've convinced yourself is very very important because all the very very important people are talking about it. And the minute you start lapsing into beltway speak about anything people stop listening because they've been taught that it's horseshit. Trump appeals to idiots because his gibberish doesn't sound like your gibberish. "But Trump was always hopping on the latest..." Yeah, but what was his message always? I'm amazing so of course I've got this under control. Didn't matter that he didn't because he said he did without saying that he voted for the resolution to introduce the document to create the committee to evaluate the measure before he voted against it. And just as importantly, the media opposed it instead of saying that this gibberish is really fucking important and everything ever from the next election to the next orbit of the Sun around the Earth depends on whether or not a vote to proceed to the floor for debate was held on this non-binding resolution to decide whether the cover on the report determining the range for a budget proposal should be off-white or pearl. "But this legislation and these speeches actually do..." And that's what people are hearing when they hear about them?
Don't make me tap the sign:
https://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/967114911401652225
Post by: Potato on November 07, 2022, 12:04:34 AM
I've always understood that your system of government is deeply flawed. Still confuses me why you don't have preferential voting.As an outsider, I have two observations/rhetorical questions about the US and 6 January...Speaking purely anecdotally, I’ve seen the rhetoric push people into apathy. Whether that means toward the Republic party, who can say. But it’s one vote less for Democrats, so.All they have left is fear because nothing else worked and if the GOP wins that fear mongering will only increase.
So much of the media telling dems to vote isn’t like, have hope for the future, we’re building a better America, optimism. It’s shit like, Democracy will die if you don’t vote. We’re 10 seconds to midnight so vote to avert nuclear holocaust. Remember Hitler? Vote to prevent Satan from resurrecting his corpse. Lots of fear and prevention and typically what I’d associate with Republican ads. Trying to scare people into support.
I’m gonna do what I’ve always done. Vote blue. Then scribble Bob Dole Bob Dole Bob Dole on the margins.
They had hoped or rather were certain that the January 6th hearings would end Trump's political career once and for all.
I also think they're starting to believe their own narrative.
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1589303777177505792 (https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1589303777177505792)
But can you blame them?
- How mental is the electorate that it didn't end Trump's political career?
- How shite have the Dems been that it didn't end Trump's political career?
You're starting to get it! You're starting to think like an American.
My man!
Americans have only two viable, real options. So if Dems are shit, Republicans are the only option. Likewise, if Republicans are shit, Democrats are our only option. Democrats historically are shit and refuse to soul search. They always end up blaming voters (i.e. "voting against their interests") than fixing their issues. Look at 2016 and their reaction to Trump winning. Initially it was met with,"are we the baddies?" type soul searching but quickly evolved into "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA".
As for Trump and J6, I mean. President Clinton lied UNDER OATH. W and Obama committed war crimes with zero punishment sans a reporters shoe thrown at Bush's face. Presidents always escape true repercussions so why care? What option do we have? Vote for the Democratic Party who blames everything on Russia and refuses any ounce of introspection?
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2022, 12:14:45 AM
I've always understood that your system of government is deeply flawed. Still confuses me why you don't have preferential voting.Why would the two parties want that?
You have to remember that yours came about because the Country Party was effectively letting Labor beat the other two. We haven't had an effective third party since the Whigs collapsed after 1852 and the Democrats imploded in 1860 allowing the third party Republicans to become a majority party in the North. The two parties have since invested too much to allow another party into the mix, every election is too important to throw your vote away and personally all by yourself cause every Bad Thing that happens.
Post by: Potato on November 07, 2022, 12:17:30 AM
For the sake of good government? But please see my first sentence for the answer to that rhetorical question.I've always understood that your system of government is deeply flawed. Still confuses me why you don't have preferential voting.Why would the two parties want that?
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2022, 12:36:13 AM
Also remember that Democrats championed the Floyd riots in summer of 2020. They guilt tripped people for wanting to go to the beach but made it out like it was safe to protest. BLM set up a police station on fire and tried to get into the White House, forcing the President into a bunker. So a bunch of people come into the session while it was going on, no one is killed, people monkey around. Why is one riot good but the other bad? Why is trying to get into White House to attempt to harm the President good but J6 bad? Isn't it the same shit? Yet zero accountability on the part of the left or the liberal news media about the BLM riots.
At this point, who gives a fuck? Dems blew their wad over and over and over and each time they used hyperbole or something to the point where when Trump has possible secret documents in Mar Lago's basement they start it up with TRUMP HAS NUCLEAR CODES!!!!!! It gets so biased you have no idea what's up, what's down, what's right or what's wrong. At that point you're forced into an apathy after the Party That Calls Wolf has shot its shot for the dozenth time since 2016. So you become numb to it and eventually think,"hmm, maybe Trump isn't so bad after all" and buy a MAGA hat because fuck you.
And all of this is precisely why he won to begin with. Because he says one thing and the media reacts another way. They said he mocked a disabled reporter but when you watch the actual video...nothing of the sort is happening. Likewise, on January 6 the dude flat out said "lets peacefully protest". So why do Americans not care? Because Democrats are retardes, incompetent, extremists that react to every little thing and force you to think their way until you no longer give a fuck.
Am I really supposed to trust the same media that said black people loot, white people "find" during Hurricane Katrina? The same media that said there were WMDs in Iraq? There's already entrenched, deeply legitimate skepticism towards the media. They make Trump a sympathetic figure. End of.
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2022, 12:44:30 AM
At that point you're forced into an apathy after the Party That Calls Wolf has shot its shot for the dozenth time since 2016. So you become numb to it and eventually think,"hmm, maybe Trump isn't so bad after all" and buy a MAGA hat because fuck you.That'd make more sense if the Republicans hadn't spent the prior years ignoring Obama's crimes to focus on hyping irrelevant things too. They got the trifecta and did nothing regarding the Obama Administration. They haven't even promised to change!
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2022, 01:14:58 AM
At that point you're forced into an apathy after the Party That Calls Wolf has shot its shot for the dozenth time since 2016. So you become numb to it and eventually think,"hmm, maybe Trump isn't so bad after all" and buy a MAGA hat because fuck you.That'd make more sense if the Republicans hadn't spent the prior years ignoring Obama's crimes to focus on hyping irrelevant things too. They got the trifecta and did nothing regarding the Obama Administration. They haven't even promised to change!
:obama
Hmm, okay. Fair enough.
Post by: james on November 07, 2022, 01:34:21 AM
Don't make me tap the sign:
Benji still reads Poliera
:tauntaun :heyman :girlaff :crowdlaff
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2022, 01:44:10 AM
watDon't make me tap the sign:
Benji still reads Poliera
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2022, 02:28:15 AM
The Atlantic - Democrats' Long Goodbye to the Working Class (https://archive.ph/hq36k)
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As we move into the endgame of the 2022 election, the Democrats face a familiar problem. America’s historical party of the working class keeps losing working-class support. And not just among white voters. Not only has the emerging Democratic majority I once predicted failed to materialize, but many of the nonwhite voters who were supposed to deliver it are instead voting for Republicans.
This year, Democrats have chosen to run a campaign focused on three things: abortion rights, gun control, and safeguarding democracy—issues with strong appeal to socially liberal, college-educated voters. But these issues have much less appeal to working-class voters. But these issues have much less appeal to working-class voters. They are instead focused on the economy, inflation, and crime, and they are skeptical of the Democratic Party’s performance in all three realms.
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> Studies of [Hillary Clinton's] campaign-ad spending reveal that the overwhelming majority of these ads had nothing to say about policy or even policy orientation, instead attacking Trump’s character and his many divisive and offensive statements. Her campaign slogan, “Stronger together,” was an implicit rebuke of Trump on these grounds.
> Trump’s ads, by contrast, talked a great deal about policy, albeit not in the careful and detailed way Democrats tend to prefer, but rather discussing in broad strokes issues including trade, immigration, and the betrayal of elites.
Let me talk about the LGBTQBBQBLT! Let's save DeMoCrACy! Crime is definitely not a thing and inflation is a Republican made Boogeyman. Gas is five dollars a gallon? You can't afford an EV?!?! Let's ban all fossil fuel cars and make them illegal by 2035. Orange man BAD! Blue no matter who!
Really hard pressing policy that will enrich lives and offer opportunity.
Post by: Nintex on November 07, 2022, 12:53:35 PM
absolute chaos
Post by: Occam on November 07, 2022, 12:53:39 PM
"Democracy cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely. The real safeguard of democracy, therefore, is education."
-Franklyn D. Roosevelt, September 27, 1938
To ensure its political future, the Republican party is striving for a maximum level of unpreparedness.
https://www.newsweek.com/gop-winning-its-war-against-higher-education-well-all-lose-result-opinion-1756119
Post by: Nintex on November 07, 2022, 01:18:48 PM
Be careful out there for wireless modems
Post by: james on November 07, 2022, 01:22:30 PM
Post by: Nintex on November 07, 2022, 01:27:56 PM
:trumps
Trump's been kiling it at the rallies bashing Republicans so he probably feels it's time to announce.
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2022, 01:31:53 PM
I came across an interesting quote today:
"Democracy cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely. The real safeguard of democracy, therefore, is education."
-Franklyn D. Roosevelt, September 27, 1938
To ensure its political future, the Republican party is striving for a maximum level of unpreparedness.
https://www.newsweek.com/gop-winning-its-war-against-higher-education-well-all-lose-result-opinion-1756119
:what
Democrats are the ones in power. Granted, it's a midterm and parties flip during midterms to punish the party in power but the Democratic Party has gone too left, too progressive for the average American and voters are choosing to not vote for them. Democracy is working as intended.
Post by: Nintex on November 07, 2022, 03:03:44 PM
Weird how entire countries can do it within a few hours, often the same night but multiple US states take weeks to count their votes.
Post by: james on November 07, 2022, 03:30:56 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1589703689790685184 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1589703689790685184)
Weird how entire countries can do it within a few hours, often the same night but multiple US states take weeks to count their votes.
Do you know how mail works Nintex
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 07, 2022, 03:35:33 PM
Post by: Potato on November 07, 2022, 03:41:52 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1589703689790685184 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1589703689790685184)Some places can count ballots multiple times in one night to exhaust preferences too.
Weird how entire countries can do it within a few hours, often the same night but multiple US states take weeks to count their votes.
Post by: Occam on November 07, 2022, 04:11:00 PM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dan-crenshaw-election-deniers_n_6364cc13e4b06f38ded30136
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‘Yeah, we know that, but we just, you know, people just need their last hurrah. Like, they just need to feel like we fought one last time. Trust me, it’ll be fine.’ And I was like, ‘No, it won’t. That’s not what people believe and that’s not what you’re telling them. And maybe you’re smart enough to know that but like …’ So we have a lot of people in the political world that are just willing to say things they know aren’t true, they know aren’t true. It’s a huge manipulation.
You don't say! I am shocked!
Post by: Potato on November 07, 2022, 04:12:54 PM
GOP Rep. Dan Crenshaw: Election Deniers Admit It's A Lie Behind Closed DoorsHilary Clinton's whole life has been a big political lie, but no one is worried about that though
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dan-crenshaw-election-deniers_n_6364cc13e4b06f38ded30136Quote‘Yeah, we know that, but we just, you know, people just need their last hurrah. Like, they just need to feel like we fought one last time. Trust me, it’ll be fine.’ And I was like, ‘No, it won’t. That’s not what people believe and that’s not what you’re telling them. And maybe you’re smart enough to know that but like …’ So we have a lot of people in the political world that are just willing to say things they know aren’t true, they know aren’t true. It’s a huge manipulation.
You don't say! I am shocked!
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2022, 04:27:28 PM
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Since its inception, YWN has never called for the ouster of an elected official, Republican or Democrat. That changes today. It is our firm belief that Gov. Kathy Hochul’s stance toward the Orthodox Jewish community in New York are such that she must be replaced.
Our position comes not only from her failing to publicly stand up for the rights of yeshivas, but especially because of what we have seen from the governor in private.
Several weeks ago, YWN was contacted by the Hochul campaign, which offered to conduct an exclusive interview with the governor.
This offer was surprising on several fronts: firstly, it is well know that YWN rarely conducts interviews promoting specific positions, especially ones from political candidates. Of the 2 million-plus articles that have been published on YWN, barely a handful are interviews.
The second and primary reason for our astonishment over the interview offer was that Gov. Hochul had never before agreed to an interview with any Orthodox Jewish publication, online or in print. Why suddenly did she agree to one now?
The answer, it soon came to be obvious, was to ingratiate herself to the Orthodox Jewish community without providing any evidence that she is working for them in Albany.
YWN was asked to interview the governor at a location in Manhattan, but the Hochul campaign gave us just 10 minutes for questions. This in itself was ridiculous, as all know that any political candidate can take a single question and filibuster their way through an empty 10-minute answer.
YWN then demanded that we get a minimum of 20 minutes to question the governor, at which point the Hochul campaign began making demands – and their motive – clear.
“Please confirm [with the interviewer] that he won’t ask questions that are not good for us,” was one demand.
Another was that all questions to be asked should be submitted to the Hochul campaign beforehand for review. Yet another was that the interview shouldn’t focus on the situation concerning yeshivas – literally the number one issue for Orthodox Jews in this campaign!
The arrogance with which Gov. Hochul’s campaign came to the table was stunning. What the governor obviously wanted, as noted earlier, was for her image among Orthodox Jews to be rehabilitated without her actually facing a single difficult question or requiring her to make commitments to the community.
This attitude toward the New York’s Orthodox Jews cannot stand, and we thus feel compelled to call for the defeat of incumbent Governor Kathy Hochul. New York’s Orthodox Jews deserve better.
The YWN Editorial Team
(YWN World Headquarters – NYC)
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/2136140/ywn-editorial-gov-hochuls-attitude-toward-orthodox-jews-is-untenable-she-must-be-defeated.html
THAT IS WHAT YOU GET! THAT IS WHAT YOU GET! You authoritarian filthy career politician!
Post by: Occam on November 07, 2022, 04:38:10 PM
GOP Rep. Dan Crenshaw: Election Deniers Admit It's A Lie Behind Closed DoorsHilary Clinton's whole life has been a big political lie, but no one is worried about that though
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dan-crenshaw-election-deniers_n_6364cc13e4b06f38ded30136Quote‘Yeah, we know that, but we just, you know, people just need their last hurrah. Like, they just need to feel like we fought one last time. Trust me, it’ll be fine.’ And I was like, ‘No, it won’t. That’s not what people believe and that’s not what you’re telling them. And maybe you’re smart enough to know that but like …’ So we have a lot of people in the political world that are just willing to say things they know aren’t true, they know aren’t true. It’s a huge manipulation.
You don't say! I am shocked!
I'll take non-sequitur for 500, Alex.
Post by: Uncle on November 07, 2022, 04:40:38 PM
Post by: Occam on November 07, 2022, 04:45:52 PM
Post by: Nintex on November 07, 2022, 05:35:58 PM
GOP Rep. Dan Crenshaw: Election Deniers Admit It's A Lie Behind Closed DoorsThis is totally like the birther thing. The carrot to bridge the gap between Trump 2020 and Trump 2024.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dan-crenshaw-election-deniers_n_6364cc13e4b06f38ded30136Quote‘Yeah, we know that, but we just, you know, people just need their last hurrah. Like, they just need to feel like we fought one last time. Trust me, it’ll be fine.’ And I was like, ‘No, it won’t. That’s not what people believe and that’s not what you’re telling them. And maybe you’re smart enough to know that but like …’ So we have a lot of people in the political world that are just willing to say things they know aren’t true, they know aren’t true. It’s a huge manipulation.
You don't say! I am shocked!
Once all the legal challenges have faded away and if he's the Republican candidate Trump will set-up a panel sometime next year to investigate election fraud in the broadest terms possible. This includes a number of nobodies but also big enough names that people think: "Hey I know that guy", think Alan Dershowitz and Larry Kudlow. At some point a special announcement will be announced. Speculation is rampant and CNN will air an empty podium for 5 hours, followed by a bunch of people endorsing Trump including some foreign leaders like MBS and Orban but also Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, Tulsi Gabbard and Kanye West.
Trump will come out around prime time and starts bumbling about free and fair elections with Mike Lindell and some prominent election deniers nodding along.
About half way he will somehow pivot to: "Well actually after all the investigations we have concluded the 2020 election result was real but it could very well have been rigged. Good thing we investigated".
The panel will have some powerpoint slides that make no sense but are compelling enough for TV consumption.
Fox News will get one pre-cooked question: "Sir, do you mean to say that your investigation into the 2020 election has concluded and this issue can now be put to rest?"
Trump will nod and say: "Yes we can now put this matter to rest and look ahead to the 2024 election the most important election that we're going to win"
Tucker Carlson will praise Trump for smartening up, leaving the 2020 election behind him. Democrats will be livid but polls will show that voters don't really care and the GOP is happy that 'officially' Trump finally moved on.
Of course election rigging will still be named as part of the brand but in more general terms: "Watch out folks many elections were rigged from the standpoint of voting and history." *wink wink*
Just look at the Q thing, Trump gives it just enough attention and air that he's "in on it" but not enough that he will outright say JFK Jr. is going to be his running mate and that Hillary Clinton is a clone.
Post by: james on November 07, 2022, 05:40:01 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1589272653290143745
Post by: Nintex on November 07, 2022, 05:43:46 PM
Blue wave coming to Oklahoma. Look at this garbage politician get destroyedIt's like a mix between Trump and Biden.
https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1589272653290143745
Look here's the deal :biden I'm a very succesful businessman and these other guys are the frauds :trumps
https://twitter.com/stclairashley/status/1588274340399042560 (https://twitter.com/stclairashley/status/1588274340399042560)
:lol
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2022, 07:27:07 PM
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1589568452699820032 (https://twitter.com/politico/status/1589568452699820032)I don't use Facebook, does anyone have information on how many low thousands of dollars of ads from Russia are flooding the pages of Hillary Clinton supporters? We may have to throw out all the results from this election in states where the disinformation corrupts the results.
Be careful out there for wireless modems
Post by: Uncle on November 07, 2022, 07:58:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/WJAuYDy.png)
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2022, 08:35:21 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2022, 08:49:13 PM
Post by: james on November 07, 2022, 09:18:57 PM
Less than 24 hours before we look back and say "if only the government had protected us by eliminating Republican lies by any means necessary we'd still have a democracy." :usacry
By my calculations, just 4 strategically placed FEMA death camps could have saved Democracy
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2022, 10:00:24 PM
Post by: Potato on November 08, 2022, 12:01:11 AM
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...and we know that means the end of democracy. EVERY. TIME.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 12:03:55 AM
Quote from: https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5vk77/michigan-ag-dana-nessel-death-threats
In the wake of the attack on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Democratic politicians across the country have spoken out about the increased threats of violence they’ve faced in the lead-up to the midterm elections.Look at this absurd fear porn almost none of which is about the purported topic of the article and uncritically platforms Democratic conspiracy theories. :dead :dead
But according to Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel, death threats and intimidation aren’t new to this election cycle—they’ve been a constant throughout her three-year stint as the top law enforcement figure in the state.
“In the last 24 hours, I had somebody come by my house, then get out of their car, went on the lawn and started taking pictures of my house,” she said to VICE News in an interview earlier this year while she was on the campaign trail. “It’s a scary time, there’s no question about that.”
Michigan is no stranger to extremism: Not only was the far-right Michigan militia active in the 90s—which once counted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh among its members—but Nessel’s office recently prosecuted and convicted members of the Wolverine Watchmen militia for plotting to kidnap and kill Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer in 2020.
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The adoption of violent and aggressive rhetoric within the GOP during this midterm election cycle, and post-Jan 6. writ large, has already given rise to threats and intimidation against mostly Democrat members of Congress, seemingly culminating in the attack on Paul Pelosi, 82, in San Francisco late last month. The alleged perpetrator yelled “Where’s Nancy?” and later, under interrogation, told police he planned to tie her up and torture her by breaking her kneecaps.
Additionally, a Pennsylvania Democrat running for a state House seat there claimed he was attacked earlier this week and suspected it was election-related.
Many Democrat lawmakers, like Nessel, fear this is just the beginning of what could turn into a broader trend, especially as she sees Republican candidates who fail “to condemn” far-right extremist groups that commit violence because “certain individuals that are running right now that I think align themselves with some of these organizations.”
And Democrats have real reasons to fear given some of the content increasingly being shared by the far-right on encrypted apps like Telegram, including neo-Nazi terrorist groups and their supporters who have called for the killing of politicians. For example, an international terrorist group under an FBI probe said on its Telegram account that politicians, including Republicans, should be bona fide targets for murder.
“Our enemies have names, addresses, and loved ones too,” it said in a message seen hundreds of times.
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Late last week a particularly violent Telegram channel used by neo-Nazis demanded that would-be assassins of politicians need to “get the job done and get it done right or quit LARPing,” referring to the Pelosi attack.
The account, which is yet more evidence of a growing bloodlust on the far-right for political blood to be spilled, pointed out that three political figures have already been attacked this election season and zero have been killed, allowing politicians to beef up security in the meantime.
Beyond the underground doldrums of Nazi chatrooms, mainstream Republicans have done very little to quell talk of political violence, before and after January 6. Former President Donald Trump, who often still openly references the QAnon conspiracy theory, famously failed to denounce the Proud Boys, a designated terrorist group in several countries, during a debate with current President Joe Biden in 2020. (Trump would later condemn the Proud Boys, while claiming he knew little about them.) Meanwhile, other Republican congressmen continue to describe the Jan. 6 attackers as “peaceful protesters.”
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 01:20:44 AM
The problem with democracy is that if the other guys get more votes than your team, they win...
That's not a problem. This is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering_in_the_United_States
For instance: "Republicans in North Carolina acquired 50% of the vote, which subsequently garnered them about 77% of the available seats in congress." And then you install corrupt judges who back this and you are set.
Very democracy!
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 01:27:57 AM
That's not a problem. This is:That's not because of gerrymandering, that's because of geographical districts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering_in_the_United_States
For instance: "Republicans in North Carolina acquired 50% of the vote, which subsequently garnered them about 77% of the available seats in congress." And then you install corrupt judges who back this and you are set.
Very democracy!
Explain how gerrymandering is getting Republicans to win the Presidency, Senate and Governorships too. Not to mention legislatures in states with non-partisan commissions drawing the lines.
Like, seriously, is this refusal to learn anything about American politics just to spite me personally or something? I really can't figure out what other explanation there's supposed to be at this point.
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 01:44:26 AM
Right. Geographical districts that look like salamanders?For instance: "Republicans in North Carolina acquired 50% of the vote, which subsequently garnered them about 77% of the available seats in congress."That's not because of gerrymandering, that's because of geographical districts.
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Explain how gerrymandering is getting Republicans to win the Presidency, Senate and Governorships too. Not to mention legislatures in states with non-partisan commissions drawing the lines.That's another problem: Apparently land votes in the US. Which is why some votes are worth more than others.
Equal representation is totally overrated. Very democracy!
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 01:50:09 AM
Right. Geographical districts that look like salamanders?Let me refer you back to my previous statements about your need to learn about American politics if you want to comment on them. You can do that and improve yourself or you can make a fool of yourself by trying to explain how land "votes" for any of the positions I mentioned when every single one is elected first-past-the-post like in nearly every country that's spun out of the UK.QuoteExplain how gerrymandering is getting Republicans to win the Presidency, Senate and Governorships too. Not to mention legislatures in states with non-partisan commissions drawing the lines.That's another problem: Apparently land votes in the US. Which is why some votes are worth more than others.
Post by: Potato on November 08, 2022, 01:51:12 AM
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 01:55:21 AM
:rejoice
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1589806553799872513 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1589806553799872513)
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 02:04:39 AM
Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if we should even have an election during a period of democratic uncertainty. Do enough voters know our democracy is at threat? What if they vote like it isn't? What about voters who know our democracy is at stake but due to the disinformation are believing in Republican lies like so-called "inflation"? I'd feel a lot safer about our democracy if Joe just cancelled the elections tomorrow until our democracy was secure. We have to stop this Second Civil War before it happens and the only way to do that is stop every threat to democracy and the midterm elections right now look like a major threat to democracy.
It costs 6 dollars to buy a dozen eggs but I make 200k so I don't notice! :wow
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 02:11:18 AM
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1589818145945972736 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1589818145945972736)
:rejoice
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1589806553799872513 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1589806553799872513)
Not my first choice but at least he's not a Democrat! :rejoice
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Announcing an announcement lmfao fucking clown :dead
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Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 02:24:44 AM
Right. Geographical districts that look like salamanders?Let me refer you back to my previous statements about your need to learn about American politics if you want to comment on them. You can do that and improve yourself or you can make a fool of yourself by trying to explain how land "votes" for any of the positions I mentioned when every single one is elected first-past-the-post like in nearly every country that's spun out of the UK.QuoteExplain how gerrymandering is getting Republicans to win the Presidency, Senate and Governorships too. Not to mention legislatures in states with non-partisan commissions drawing the lines.That's another problem: Apparently land votes in the US. Which is why some votes are worth more than others.
Wait, so the number of senators US states have is based on the size of their respective populations after all? And there is no electoral college? Wikipedia, how you have misled me. Really, you should apply your profound knowledge to help improve those incredibly wrong articles on Wikipedia like the one about US gerrymandering which I looked up in a futile attempt to better myself.
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 02:26:23 AM
The problem with democracy is that if the other guys get more votes than your team, they win...
That's not a problem. This is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering_in_the_United_States
For instance: "Republicans in North Carolina acquired 50% of the vote, which subsequently garnered them about 77% of the available seats in congress." And then you install corrupt judges who back this and you are set.
Very democracy!
In my county I can vote at any poll in my county. My district is a red district (oh no!!!!). I voted early. There was a short line that lasted two minutes, then I showed my ID, got my vote ticket, and voted. Got in an out in like 10 minutes.
Still people complain.
(https://i.imgur.com/Wn0ZGdn.jpg)
Lowered expectations breeds laziness. This reject can't even find another polling location. Nope, he creates lies (wasn't even 95 degrees that day, hasn't been 90+ degrees in weeks if not months. The month of October had a high of 86 degrees) to spread his sorry ass narrative. No one is stopping you from voting. You can't do shit in the south without a car. Everyone here has a damn ID. Shit costs 30 damn bucks. F out here.
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 02:35:31 AM
Wait, so the number of senators US states have is based on the size of their respective populations after all? And there is no electoral college? Wikipedia, how you have misled me. Really, you should apply your profound knowledge to help improve those incredibly wrong articles on Wikipedia like the one about US gerrymandering which I looked up in a futile attempt to better myself.My man, if you want to come out against the very concepts of state sovereignty and federalism themselves just do that. You don't have to make yourself look stupid.
As for the Electoral College specifically, do you consider 82% to be closer to 100% or 0%?
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 02:37:41 AM
Come to the "dark side", Occam. It tastes sweeter.
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 02:38:03 AM
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 02:39:50 AM
Thank you for supporting Democracy and Freedom Himu. It only works if people vote. :salute
Thank you! I'm very happy to support Democracy by choosing to not vote Blue!
(https://i.imgur.com/WaczcBP.gif)
Democracy is working!
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 03:39:15 AM
Blue wave ended by Pope Gregory XIII
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 03:42:11 AM
And then you get to this point:
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/republicans-rig-elections-never-lose/
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 04:01:28 AM
Benji, you say gerrymandering doesn't affect the midterms. But of course it does. You gerrymander, you disenfranchise groups of voters who would vote against you and install judges who rubber stamp it all.How do they "gerrymander" the gubernatorial races?
And then you get to this point:
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/republicans-rig-elections-never-lose/
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 04:30:56 AM
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 04:32:37 AM
Not the gubernatorial election, but you can take away a governor's power by using gerrymandering to achieve a veto proof majority.I take this as a concession that your original claim was completely false.
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 05:05:49 AM
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 05:39:59 AM
Not the gubernatorial election, but you can take away a governor's power by using gerrymandering to achieve a veto proof majority.I take this as a concession that your original claim was completely false.
What was completely false? That gerrymandering undermines democracy because the group doing it gains more power than it should have based on the percentage of votes it actually received? Which it then abuses to further cement its position of undeserved power, disenfranchising part of the electorate?
American democracy isn't flawed because of just one issue, there are several interconnected problems. Nothing is monocausal.
Post by: BisMarckie on November 08, 2022, 05:45:14 AM
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 05:57:02 AM
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 06:10:31 AM
What was completely false?When you claimed that Republicans don't win elections, somehow take office anyway due to "gerrymandering" even in offices that aren't allocated by internal districts and then these non-district allocated offices appoint corrupt judges to lock in their not winning of elections.
You've since gish-galloped all over the place (to the most recent absurd point of veto-proof majorities as if this incredibly rare occurrence was somehow what you meant the entire time) rather than simply back down from talking about a subject you don't know anything about and here you're continuing to do it by attempting to reframe what you said originally as just some preference for proportional representation even though you show no concern for other countries that use FPTP, continue to ignore that Governors, Senators and Presidents aren't part of what you claim to be criticizing at all and in prior posts dropped this point completely when it wasn't relevant to how you were trying to reframe your claims.
That gerrymandering undermines democracy because the group doing it gains more power than it should have based on the percentage of votes it actually received? Which it then abuses to further cement its position of undeserved power, disenfranchising part of the electorate?You never raised either of these before, but yes, these too are also false. The system does not allocate to any party a share of seats based on the percentage of the vote, the winner and only the winner receives the seats, so there is no "should have" they are being denied. You are faulting a system for not operating as a different system does then claiming the mere difference between the systems renders the one (and only that) system illegitimate. Then there is no "abuse to further cement its position" through "corrupt judges" as you alleged because those judges are not being appointed by the people being elected in any legislative districts gerrymandered or not.
This is why I ask you to learn about American politics. You clearly want to talk about it but you also clearly are not interested about actually learning about them. Just look at the sheer amount of errors I needed to address to even begin to talk about just a few of your incorrect premises to get you to the point of understanding why what you said was completely false just as with our earlier discussion on free speech and the First Amendment. And you're likely to just gish-gallop away yet again from any of this just as when you continued to ignore addressing how Governors are "gerrymandered" into office. It's once again, very MAGA like.
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 06:12:49 AM
https://twitter.com/ACLU_NorCal/status/1589798406725468160
https://twitter.com/ACLU_NorCal/status/1589798418867949568
Quote from: https://www.aclunc.org/sites/default/files/60-1%20-%20Proposed%20ACLU%20Amici%20Brief.pdf
Assembly Bill (“AB”) 20981 threatens that candor. While California is rightly focused on the role of licensed medical professionals during the COVID-19 pandemic, AB 2098 goes too far. According to the State, the law is needed because an “extreme minority” of physicians have used their positions of trust—and popularity on social and legacy media—to propagate what the State deems “false or misleading information” about COVID-19.2 But rather than employ the existing tools at its disposal, the State has taken a blunt instrument to the entire profession. AB 2098 declares it “unprofessional conduct” for a physician to “disseminate misinformation or disinformation related to COVID-19,” with “disseminate” defined broadly as the “conveyance of information from the licensee to a patient under the licensee’s care in the form of treatment or advice.” AB 2098, § 2(a), § 2(b)(3).3
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Fortunately, as even the State acknowledges, it does not need AB 2098 to keep patients safe. See Defs.’ Opp. to Mot. for Prelim. Inj. (“Opp.”), ECF 50, at 4–5. A less restrictive alternative exists: the California Business and Professions Code already regulates unprofessional conduct by physicians to the full extent allowed by the First Amendment. Under section 2234 of that code, physicians can be, and historically have been, disciplined for committing medical fraud, proscribing medically inappropriate treatment, and failing to provide patients with material information to make informed choices, like the availability of conventional treatment options. Requiring California to prove such unprofessional conduct before imposing a sanction neither ties officials’ hands nor harms patients. Indeed, the State does not explain why existing law has fallen so short as to justify a sweeping censorship law, or why the burden to prove unprofessional conduct under AB 2098 would be any less onerous than under the current section 2234.
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 07:11:02 AM
What was completely false?When you claimed that Republicans don't win elections, somehow take office anyway due to "gerrymandering"
I did not say that.
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Minority rule has taken over Congress:
Democrats in the Senate represent 41.5 million more Americans than do Republicans. Yet that minority of Republicans, using the filibuster, have been able to stop everything from voting rights to healthcare to rebuilding our nation from the damage of 40 years of Reaganomics’ neoliberalism.
A total of 77.3 million Americans voted in 2020 for Democrats for the House of Representatives; only 72.8 million voted for Republicans.
Multiple states where the statewide vote is within a point or three of 50/50 (including Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Texas, Georgia, Arizona, North Carolina, Kentucky, Louisiana, and Wisconsin) send far more Republicans than Democrats to the US House than their votes would dictate because of Republican gerrymanders.
This fall things will get even worse because of 2021 gerrymanders, meaning that when over half of Americans again (if history and polling holds) vote for Democrats for the House, the GOP will nonetheless likely take control of that body.
Minority rule has taken over multiple states:
Most of the states listed above suffer from the same problem in their own legislatures. In statewide elections, because most voters choose Democrats, all but two of those states ended up with Democratic governors; nonetheless, even though only a minority voted for Republicans, their legislatures are still Republican-controlled because of gerrymandering.
https://www.rawstory.com/republicans-2657316597/
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 07:14:47 AM
Imagine giving a shit about some midterm elections in a country thousands of miles away :girlaffIt's the world cup of politics and often a preview of what will happen in the NATO cinematic universe.
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 07:16:44 AM
I did not say that.Quoting to me an article based on the same incorrect premise your original claims was based on does not help your case that you're a serious poster who actually wants to discuss these topics. In the post you just quoted of mine I explained to you why this premise is incorrect and here you are simply repeating the premise.
Like, do you need an example or something? Assume five districts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_Oregon), how many Democratic House members should come from these results?
D1: 65 D, 35 R
D2: 60 R, 37 D
D3: 73 D, 24 R
D4: 52 D, 46 R
D5: 52 D, 45 R
If you're going to say that there should be a single statewide election (even though above you opposed statewide elections) and the five seats then allocated based on the statewide vote (56 D, 42 R in 2020) then you'll have to change the Constitution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_v._Sims) and federal law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Congressional_District_Act) to reverse changes made to fight attempts to disenfranchise racial minorities, done mostly by Jim Crow states.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 08, 2022, 07:38:41 AM
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1589818145945972736 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1589818145945972736)
:rejoice
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1589806553799872513 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1589806553799872513)
:rofl at how he says election
Post by: Maiden Voyage on November 08, 2022, 07:39:24 AM
:american
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 09:11:25 AM
Then there is no "abuse to further cement its position" through "corrupt judges" as you alleged because those judges are not being appointed by the people being elected in any legislative districts gerrymandered or not.
I took the time to look this up:
"Selection of State Court Judges
How state court judges are selected varies by state. States choose judges in any of the following ways:
Appointment: The state's governor or legislature will choose their judges.
Merit Selection: Judges are chosen by a legislative committee based on each potential judge's past performance. Some states hold "retention elections" to determine if the judge should continue to serve.
Partisan Elections: Judges selected through partisan elections are voted in by the electorate, and often run as part of a political party's slate of candidates.
Non-Partisan Elections: Potential judges that run for a judicial position in states with non-partisan elections put their names on the ballot, but do not list their party affiliates. Terms for judges in non-partisan elections can range between 6 and 10 years."
https://www.findlaw.com/litigation/legal-system/how-are-judges-selected.html
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 09:25:11 AM
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 10:02:52 AM
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 10:11:24 AM
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 10:24:59 AM
Their outcome will have an effect on the rest of the world. E.g. Ukraine, climate change.
Brother.
Okay.
So..
Representatives are the ones that have districts. Texas district 2. NY district 16. Those are the little pieces of land, the Salamander you called it. This happens for both red and blue. Congressmen and women control that. This is local.
Then there's county. A county is a local equivalent of a region. Look at the Wikipedia entry for county to see how ours differs than Europe's. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/County For county we vote things like judges. But the map changes. Although I'm from the Houston metro area I cannot vote for the Mayor because I don't live in city of Houston proper. I live in the golden land of suburbia and we got our own mayor, with our own town, and our own laws and jurisdiction. This is local. But I still get to vote some things within the county like Propositions. There's no one that can gerrymander judges because everyone and their mother votes in county. Judges are not reflected districts or an electoral map beyond county jurisdiction.
So despite living in a blue city, my actual district is Republican. It is made up of well to do yuppies, but also a mix of working class manufacturing, warehouses, airport jobs, et al. A lot of money comes and is used here. We vote Republican in this district. We are pro-police.
Then there's senators and governors and Comptroller's. These are state level positions and do NOT work via district or a map or a territory line. These are people everyone in the state votes for to represent us and our interests. This is state level.
And then the whole shebang...the President. The President is the only office we vote for that's federal.
So despite Pelosi being a national star, she's really just a congresswoman for CA district 12. She is to defer to the interests of her district, that little piece of land, and their interests and take those interests to the people of Washington.
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 11:05:36 AM
And why I came back into this thread just now, for Himu, from a Blue State this time:
https://twitter.com/ACLU_NorCal/status/1589798406725468160
https://twitter.com/ACLU_NorCal/status/1589798418867949568Quote from: https://www.aclunc.org/sites/default/files/60-1%20-%20Proposed%20ACLU%20Amici%20Brief.pdfAssembly Bill (“AB”) 20981 threatens that candor. While California is rightly focused on the role of licensed medical professionals during the COVID-19 pandemic, AB 2098 goes too far. According to the State, the law is needed because an “extreme minority” of physicians have used their positions of trust—and popularity on social and legacy media—to propagate what the State deems “false or misleading information” about COVID-19.2 But rather than employ the existing tools at its disposal, the State has taken a blunt instrument to the entire profession. AB 2098 declares it “unprofessional conduct” for a physician to “disseminate misinformation or disinformation related to COVID-19,” with “disseminate” defined broadly as the “conveyance of information from the licensee to a patient under the licensee’s care in the form of treatment or advice.” AB 2098, § 2(a), § 2(b)(3).3
...
Fortunately, as even the State acknowledges, it does not need AB 2098 to keep patients safe. See Defs.’ Opp. to Mot. for Prelim. Inj. (“Opp.”), ECF 50, at 4–5. A less restrictive alternative exists: the California Business and Professions Code already regulates unprofessional conduct by physicians to the full extent allowed by the First Amendment. Under section 2234 of that code, physicians can be, and historically have been, disciplined for committing medical fraud, proscribing medically inappropriate treatment, and failing to provide patients with material information to make informed choices, like the availability of conventional treatment options. Requiring California to prove such unprofessional conduct before imposing a sanction neither ties officials’ hands nor harms patients. Indeed, the State does not explain why existing law has fallen so short as to justify a sweeping censorship law, or why the burden to prove unprofessional conduct under AB 2098 would be any less onerous than under the current section 2234.
This is pretty bad. Can you please go over your issues with DeSantis more. I don't recall DeSantis administration doing anything like this?
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 12:08:35 PM
:success
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 12:42:15 PM
Post by: Uncle on November 08, 2022, 12:47:30 PM
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 01:08:27 PM
Their outcome will have an effect on the rest of the world. E.g. Ukraine, climate change.
Brother.
Okay.
So..
Representatives are the ones that have districts. Texas district 2. NY district 16. Those are the little pieces of land, the Salamander you called it. This happens for both red and blue. Congressmen and women control that. This is local.
Then there's county. A county is a local equivalent of a region. Look at the Wikipedia entry for county to see how ours differs than Europe's. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/County For county we vote things like judges. But the map changes. Although I'm from the Houston metro area I cannot vote for the Mayor because I don't live in city of Houston proper. I live in the golden land of suburbia and we got our own mayor, with our own town, and our own laws and jurisdiction. This is local. But I still get to vote some things within the county like Propositions. There's no one that can gerrymander judges because everyone and their mother votes in county. Judges are not reflected districts or an electoral map beyond county jurisdiction.
So despite living in a blue city, my actual district is Republican. It is made up of well to do yuppies, but also a mix of working class manufacturing, warehouses, airport jobs, et al. A lot of money comes and is used here. We vote Republican in this district. We are pro-police.
Then there's senators and governors and Comptroller's. These are state level positions and do NOT work via district or a map or a territory line. These are people everyone in the state votes for to represent us and our interests. This is state level.
And then the whole shebang...the President. The President is the only office we vote for that's federal.
So despite Pelosi being a national star, she's really just a congresswoman for CA district 12. She is to defer to the interests of her district, that little piece of land, and their interests and take those interests to the people of Washington.
Yeah, thanks. Contrary to what benji says, I do understand this. The question is (and I really mean no offense!) do you understand what is meant by Gerrymandering?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/DifferingApportionment.svg/800px-DifferingApportionment.svg.png)
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 01:14:33 PM
https://twitter.com/RyanGirdusky/status/1590040115694358528 (https://twitter.com/RyanGirdusky/status/1590040115694358528)
DeSantis is crushing it
https://twitter.com/RedStateIdeas/status/1590032079894458368 (https://twitter.com/RedStateIdeas/status/1590032079894458368)
Post by: Uncle on November 08, 2022, 01:35:21 PM
Yeah, thanks. Contrary to what benji says, I do understand this. The question is (and I really mean no offense!) do you understand what is meant by Gerrymandering?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/DifferingApportionment.svg/800px-DifferingApportionment.svg.png)
I'm not actually sure if you do understand at this point
it feels like you heard "gerrymandering is a problem in the US" once and didn't look into exactly how much of the entire process it might affect
you know it only has anything to do with the house, right?
(https://i.imgur.com/KYiFjuX.png)
you know that there are tons of races, local and national, that have nothing to do with this?
additionally, even though it does represent an avenue for abuse, might it not apply to both parties to some extent, giving each of them a certain amount of undue power in their respective areas? and in fact, maybe it doesn't apply uniformly, and large swaths of the US are represented reasonably fairly?
(https://i.imgur.com/ltABcel.png)
(those california areas (california is on the left) are deeply blue)
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 01:42:18 PM
Ideally, there should be none.
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 01:48:35 PM
https://twitter.com/carolynryan/status/1590048472496906240 (https://twitter.com/carolynryan/status/1590048472496906240)
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on November 08, 2022, 01:53:11 PM
Post by: Uncle on November 08, 2022, 01:55:10 PM
Yes, I do understand all of this. I know it has nothing to do with the Senate. I know some blue states are guilty of it, too, but looking at the map it definitely seems to be more of a problem in red states.
Ideally, there should be none.
however, even if it was more of a problem in red states, since red states are mostly unpopulated, there are much fewer house seats for them anyway
(https://i.imgur.com/YmQktDG.gif)
https://www.vox.com/22961590/redistricting-gerrymandering-house-2022-midterms
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 02:12:31 PM
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/OFLA6KMWZZDDRN6YYMTW2AIANU.jpg&w=1200)
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 02:23:19 PM
First win of the day, congratulations to the Guam Patriots. 8)
Why does DeSantis always look like he is constipated?He kinda looks like an elephant tbh
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/OFLA6KMWZZDDRN6YYMTW2AIANU.jpg&w=1200)
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 02:29:32 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/new-york-top-court-tosses-congressisonal-map-democratic-gerrymandering-rcna26138
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/05/new-york-democrats-gerrymandered-a-fiasco.html
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 02:29:51 PM
Reality is setting in on election day.
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 02:42:26 PM
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 02:44:41 PM
:mindblown
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 03:08:52 PM
:badass
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 03:10:18 PM
:bernie :bernie :bernie
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 03:22:57 PM
https://twitter.com/CourierNewsroom/status/1590047424823046145
:bernie :bernie :bernie
:heh
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 03:27:23 PM
:bernie :bernie :bernie
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 04:12:42 PM
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 04:27:00 PM
https://twitter.com/JohnSurico/status/1590069399947739138
She can't get away with it!! :stop
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 04:49:25 PM
You claimed judge selection couldn't be affected by gerrymandering. I then showed you that indeed it can, depending on the state.You responded to a general claim made against your general claim by "citing" a hypothetical specific claim of an exception. :lol
Yes, I do understand all of this. I know it has nothing to do with the Senate. I know some blue states are guilty of it, too, but looking at the map it definitely seems to be more of a problem in red states.My dude, we can all see what Potato said that you were responding to:
Ideally, there should be none.
The problem with democracy is that if the other guys get more votes than your team, they win...
That's not a problem. This is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering_in_the_United_States
For instance: "Republicans in North Carolina acquired 50% of the vote, which subsequently garnered them about 77% of the available seats in congress." And then you install corrupt judges who back this and you are set.
Very democracy!
When I told you that's just the result of geographic districts you ignored that to talk about gerrymandering again and then started saying stuff like "land votes" which doesn't even make sense. It seems to me you obviously believed that mass gerrymandering (probably countrywide) was somehow allowing Republicans to win elections without actually winning elections. I know you believed this because when I pressed you on this point you started talking about hypothetical veto-proof majorities caused by gerrymandering. Then when I told you directly why hypothetical PR results were irrelevant you "cited" a Raw Story article about hypothetical PR results proving something or other even though as I just had told you, the United States doesn't do any of these elections by PR. Did you even realize that Congressional districts in states are uniform population sizes until I gave you the Oregon example you ignored? Just how many seats an election cycle do you believe are being flipped by gerrymandering? It honestly sounds like you think it's hundreds and more at lower levels. Are you ever going to make a proposal about what you do think should be done because it sounds like your beef is just about local representation in general? (Which is yet again a problem you only seem to have with the United States doing it.) You can't do at-large statewide districts so do you want them to redraw the lines after each election to do something impossible (match the statewide vote) when constant redistricting is exactly what gerrymanderers and Republicans do? I pointed you towards one potential solution a number of states have implemented and you brushed it off by saying "land votes" while also spending your time invalidating another by declaring any judge who gives a result you don't like "corrupt" and part of the conspiracy.
You read an article or some claims without knowing the context, thought you had another epic proof you wanted to share with the ignorant members of The Bire and now you're Googling and grabbing borderline irrelevant things while ignoring the direct argument in hopes of somehow convincing others that you were actually right when you said something irrelevant or wrong all without ever stopping to learn the missing context that led you to think you knew something because you knew something false. It's okay, we've maybe all been there in some way one or more times, and there's an easy solution: dig up, stupid.
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 04:49:40 PM
https://twitter.com/JohnSurico/status/1590069399947739138
Also consider that polling in locations in the burbs will be more empty than ones in the city.
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 04:57:37 PM
I suppose the R's don't trust the pollsters either.
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 05:00:38 PM
Exit polls drop in a few minutes but I read that the Guam Exit Poll actually had the Republican losing by 13 points and the vote count showed he won by 5 points.
I suppose the R's don't trust the pollsters either.
STOP THE STEAL
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 05:09:15 PM
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590099775981965313 (https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1590099775981965313)
According to the CNN exit poll 36 percent say Bidens policies are helping the country
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhEvRrwXwAA4wLs?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhEvUM3XEAAYLcd?format=jpg)
Not all doom and gloom for the Democrats most voters seem to support abortion
https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1590106667407925248 (https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1590106667407925248)
Most voters agree with Benji too
CNN exit poll on race:
White: 76%
Black: 9%
Latino: 10%
Asian: 2%
Native: 1%
Other: 2%
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 05:28:06 PM
:bernie :bernie :bernie
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 05:38:45 PM
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 05:55:10 PM
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1590109180014497792 (https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1590109180014497792)
https://twitter.com/DrewSav/status/1590067986114973696
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 05:57:40 PM
Well that's it, Democracy has ended this was the last election. It's over, done, finito.
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 06:06:18 PM
:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 06:14:31 PM
:dead :dead :dead :dead :dead
LMFAOOOOOO
Post by: Potato on November 08, 2022, 06:21:48 PM
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 06:28:31 PM
CNN: I forget my password and run out of ink too, mistakes can be made haha this election is totally legit people
CNN: We just reported that 36k mail-in ballots have to be cured in PA, we want to set the record straight that it's actually only 3600.
CNN saying that you can trust them is like a 5 year old swearing he didn't steel from the cookie jar.
If you didn't believe in the conspiracies before, you do after that clown show. :lol
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 06:32:29 PM
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 06:39:17 PM
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 06:40:35 PM
:drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge
https://twitter.com/norwood270/status/1590072263315161088
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 06:43:25 PM
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 06:44:37 PM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1590118240654696449 (https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1590118240654696449)
Thank you NYT!
Post by: Uncle on November 08, 2022, 06:50:35 PM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1590118240654696449 (https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1590118240654696449)
most of these are ableist
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 06:51:05 PM
Experience matters only to 8% of voters.
The AFP team knows
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhFFxP5X0AEnhC4?format=jpg)
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 07:00:11 PM
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 07:07:25 PM
https://twitter.com/EmpactNews/status/1590122670108000256
Post by: Nintex on November 08, 2022, 07:08:29 PM
Georgia is 99% the early vote. Already 60/40 split. The Democrats are going to get blown the fuck out. :doge
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 07:48:01 PM
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 07:57:56 PM
https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1590132056985669634
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 08:23:36 PM
LMAO
Everyone with a brain has left the state. Its a dead end. Will be underwater in ten years.
Enjoy having no insurance market next year
:sabu :sabu :sabu
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 08:24:14 PM
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 08:25:52 PM
Post by: Uncle on November 08, 2022, 08:25:59 PM
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 08:45:38 PM
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 08:47:50 PM
Post by: Snoopycat_ on November 08, 2022, 08:57:34 PM
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 08:57:48 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 09:03:12 PM
twitter.com/nytimes/status/1590118240654696449https://twitter.com/Heminator/status/1590162355496828930
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 09:04:47 PM
https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1590162259564789762
https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1590162261791809536
:bernie :bernie :bernie :bernie :bernie :bernie
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 09:04:57 PM
Post by: james on November 08, 2022, 09:13:39 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://twitter.com/TedNesi/status/1590164063275057153
:tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun
Post by: Uncle on November 08, 2022, 09:22:05 PM
not even a "thanks for all your support everyone, we fought hard but it wasn't meant to be, maybe next time" ??? ??? ???
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 09:23:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/cHg6VRJ.png)
:crowdlaff
Post by: chronovore on November 08, 2022, 09:24:35 PM
Quote
The report describes attempts by top officials to link protesters to an imaginary terrorist plot in an apparent effort to boost Trump’s reelection odds, raising concerns now about the ability of a sitting president to co-opt billions of dollars’ worth of domestic intelligence assets for their own political gain. DHS analysts recounted orders to generate evidence of financial ties between protesters in custody; an effort that, had they not failed, would have seemingly served to legitimize President Trump’s false claims about “Antifa,” an “organization” that even his most loyal intelligence officers failed to drum up proof ever existed.
:maf
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 09:28:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/cHg6VRJ.png)They askin about how fascism beat democracy in those two but not Miami-Dade?
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 09:37:33 PM
https://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes/status/1590034630434230272
https://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes/status/1590115069870112768
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 09:46:02 PM
Hidalgo seems she might win.
New York seems to be stick with Hochul but only 20% called in so far. :stahp
Walker is ahead!
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 09:52:01 PM
Incoming Abrams reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 10:00:36 PM
ahahahah Abrams fucked it up for Warnock. Go Walker!
As someone said on my discord:
Quote
Georgians are going to elect a degenerate and im here for it
:dead
Post by: BIONIC on November 08, 2022, 10:03:28 PM
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 10:08:41 PM
He has a great story. Let's see how moderate he is. Might be a viable party leader.
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 10:09:31 PM
Has the steal been stopped yet?No, Biden is sitting by and doing nothing. Just like he did with Long COVID. This is why 2024 will be the most important election in our lifetime.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2022, 10:13:16 PM
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 10:17:12 PM
But I'm getting my wins where I need em.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2022, 10:18:40 PM
Whitmer should be called the winner in MI soon. Biden/dem candidate have a clear path to re-election for 2024.
Post by: Uncle on November 08, 2022, 10:20:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/F7Iwl3A.png)
:jeanluc
Post by: BrokenVerses on November 08, 2022, 10:21:01 PM
Has the steal been stopped yet?No, Biden is sitting by and doing nothing. Just like he did with Long COVID. This is why 2024 will be the most important election in our lifetime.
The Russians got to Joe too? Or was he always with them?
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 10:25:53 PM
GOP needs to find any way to get Trump to not run. He will likely lose in 2024 going by tonight.
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 10:31:16 PM
Looking like I was right. No red tsunami so far. Republicans should take the house but this isn't 2006 or 2010.Wait for the absentees, you can't go by just the votes on election day, those always favor the Democrats. Also, the military votes. Really, we won't know the winners for a long time. Even the forensic audits might not uncover the actual winners like happened in Arizona.
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 10:32:27 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2022, 10:33:18 PM
It's early but it's starting to look like Joe fucking Biden is going to end up having the best party performance in midterms for an incumbent since 2002. And that race was a historical anomaly due to 9/11.
:dead
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 10:40:46 PM
I wonder how Dems will see this election if they overperform. They'll probably go more left. I'll stick with the Republicans. If GOP underperforms, and it seems they might be, I hope they abandon abortion bans. No mas. Moderate.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2022, 10:43:18 PM
I think Himu prob comes out the winner here. DeSantis is clearly the better candidate for republicans and has no baggage. All the exit polls tonight show Trump is incredibly unpopular and many of his big endorsements are bombing tonight. This is a great night for DeSantis...and Mitch McConnell.
On the other hand Trump is already essentially threatening DeSantis and insinuating he has dirt on him. Even if Trump loses a primary he could do everything possible to ensure DeSantis loses a general election.
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 10:45:58 PM
https://twitter.com/EsotericCD/status/1590166098208378880
I think Himu prob comes out the winner here. DeSantis is clearly the better candidate for republicans and has no baggage. All the exit polls tonight show Trump is incredibly unpopular and many of his big endorsements are bombing tonight. This is a great night for DeSantis...and Mitch McConnell.
On the other hand Trump is already essentially threatening DeSantis and insinuating he has dirt on him. Even if Trump loses a primary he could do everything possible to ensure DeSantis loses a general election.
We need DeSantis to run but Trump REFUSES TO ACQUIESCE. The positive is that when Trump shit talks DeSantis he gets shat on by his base. Ron is popular with the GOP. If Trump dies or something by heart attack from too much McDonalds, Ron is definitely the man to go to. If we run DeSantis GOP have a high likelihood of winning 2024.
Looking at tonight, I'm not convinced Trump can beat Biden in 2024:
1. So far, as per early results, GOP is underperforming.
2. The reason Trump lost was because he lost Republican voters that flipped D.
3. Are those voters back? Don't know yet but so far it's not good.
Therefore:
A. We shouldn't run Trump.
B. But he refuses to leave! :stahp
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 10:50:07 PM
This is a great night for DeSantis...and Mitch McConnell.
This I'm not sure on. Trump hates McConnell despite him being the best politician in Washington. Republican Trump loyalists are turning on McConnell. How does Turtle Man win tonight?
https://thehill.com/homenews/3724087-chatter-grows-over-potential-rick-scott-gop-leadership-challenge-to-mitch-mcconnell/
If GOP wins senate Mitch WILL be challenged.
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 10:52:34 PM
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1590183843826634752
It's early but it's starting to look like Joe fucking Biden is going to end up having the best party performance in midterms for an incumbent since 2002. And that race was a historical anomaly due to 9/11.
:dead
That can't be right?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2022, 10:56:06 PM
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 10:57:47 PM
tightening. Remember they counted early votes first.
Post by: Occam on November 08, 2022, 11:00:27 PM
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 11:01:29 PM
https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1590190848817647617
Sad too, given what's going on in this country and the Dems Covid policy.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2022, 11:10:34 PM
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 11:12:51 PM
What would happen if the GOP ran a primary against Trump now? They need to primary him. They didn't primary him in 2020 because he won decisively in 2016, but now he's weak and unpopular. They need to primary Trump. This is good for the GOP, and they can get better. Many of their issues and platform are really, really good. It's Trump that is sinking us. He needs to be set adrift.
Given this shift, if they primaried Trump who would win? Right now, if DeSantis were running he'd probably lead. What about Republicans Trump hates like Kemp?
This is good. Very good.
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1590193972164841473
:sabu
(https://i.imgur.com/f3OOSiK.jpg)
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 11:13:37 PM
Fetterman is going to win PA by at least 3-4 points. Mail is going to carry him over the top by a wide margin. From what I've seen, Fetterman is running a few points behind Shapiro, who won earlier tonight. Sounds like some split ticket voting but not nearly enough to hurt Fetterman.
I agree. Shapiro might carry Fetterman.
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 11:21:07 PM
In fucking Ohio? Dems need more Tim Ryan like candidates. If they run Tim Ryan in 2024 they could have a shot at the big house.
Post by: Beezy on November 08, 2022, 11:23:55 PM
surprise surprise
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 11:28:27 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1590198891567513600
Georgia to go to run off?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2022, 11:34:07 PM
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 11:34:33 PM
Boebert could very well lose. Would be a massive blow to MAGA and take a loyal knight off the chessboard.
The more I see this the more I see a rejection of Trump. The time to primary him is now. But how would his base feel? We have to run someone that likes both Trump and the other candidate. There's gotta be a way to make Trump go the way of Napoleon when he was sent to that damn island.
RIP MAGA
2016 - 2022
Post by: Beezy on November 08, 2022, 11:37:52 PM
Smh enjoy more crime!I never thought you'd be in agreement with Eric Adams on anything.
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2022, 11:38:02 PM
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1590194705396273152WAIT 👏 FOR 👏 THE 👏 UPSTATE 👏 COUNTIES 👏
surprise surprise
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 11:39:31 PM
https://twitter.com/mattwilstein/status/1590105710440112128
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 11:42:58 PM
Smh enjoy more crime!I never thought you'd be in agreement with Eric Adams on anything.
Life comes at you real fast, Beez. Crime and NY Covid policy are the main things that has pushed me Republican.
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1590194705396273152WAIT 👏 FOR 👏 THE 👏 UPSTATE 👏 COUNTIES 👏
surprise surprise
Hochul is an upstate girl.
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2022, 11:57:25 PM
I'm really glad this is all over. Seems we are all cool again and the passions have died down. God, I waited a year to let this out but I can admit defeat.
Good night. Can't wait for the media dissertations and analysis tomorrow!
(https://i.imgur.com/LGCvOI1.gif)
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 12:08:30 AM
I'm really glad this is all over. Seems we are all cool again and the passions have died down. God, I waited a year to let this out but I can admit defeat.YOU ARE ABANDONING US AS DEMOCRACY IS LITERALLY IN THE PROCESS OF DYING AS WE SPEAK
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 12:32:51 AM
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 01:01:44 AM
Its over.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun
[close]
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 01:02:55 AM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1590220171209162752
:tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 01:15:53 AM
- This is now DeSantis' party (:rejoice)
- If Garland indicts Trump GOP will attack but will privately :whew and look for a way to get rid of Trump
- Trump will hopefully wake up tomorrow to find himself GOP enemy number one.
- Trump will say the election was rigged. This won't convince anyone but his base.
I'm curious what the demographics in DeSantis' polling is. Could find patterns that could work on a national level.
@James - I was wrong. Thanks for the correction. However, we still need to look at demographics.
I'm really glad this is all over. Seems we are all cool again and the passions have died down. God, I waited a year to let this out but I can admit defeat.YOU ARE ABANDONING US AS DEMOCRACY IS LITERALLY IN THE PROCESS OF DYING AS WE SPEAK
I'm sorry. Democracy died while I was playing Vidya :fbm
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 01:20:42 AM
- This is now DeSantis' party (:rejoice)
I really really hope so.
Because hes going to be BLOWN THE FUCK OUT.
Florida is Florida. Every old R person in the country moves there. It will only get redder and redder.
Young people flee in droves. Its a failed state for anyone under 40.
Thats not the case nationally. Thats why this was a blue wave. The youths came out. The polls once again forgot that no one under the age of 40 answers an unknown call.
And Cubans? Fuck cubans. We mexicans rule this country, cubans can have their little plantation state. Mexicans stand for hard work, fair pay, and not being enormous fucking assholes. Mexicans like Cesar Chavez not Bautista.
And no other state has cubans.
In competetive race after race, the ultra-maga party line lost
Also,
https://twitter.com/umichvoter/status/1590176144082751488
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 01:25:57 AM
I'm really happy with the results.
NYT reports:
Hochul - 52.9%
Zeldin - 47%
At 90% vote total. For NY that's super, super close and this seems to be one of the polls that was on the nose. With it being so close that should be a warning to NY Dems. Far from a blowout and this should be considered a win for Republicans.
- This is now DeSantis' party (:rejoice)
I really really hope so.
Because hes going to be BLOWN THE FUCK OUT.
Florida is Florida. Every old R person in the country moves there. It will only get redder and redder.
Young people flee in droves. Its a failed state for anyone under 40.
Thats not the case nationally. Thats why this was a blue wave. The youths came out. The polls once again forgot that no one under the age of 40 answers an unknown call.
And Cubans? Fuck cubans. We mexicans rule this country, cubans can have their little plantation state. Mexicans stand for hard work, fair pay, and not being enormous fucking assholes. Mexicans like Cesar Chavez not Bautista.
And no other state has cubans.
In competetive race after race, the ultra-maga party line lost
Also,
https://twitter.com/umichvoter/status/1590176144082751488
This was not a blue wave. Wasn't a red wave either.
DeSantis changed a flip state to a red state for the next decade. Nothing to scoff at.
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 01:29:51 AM
Bro the NY governor race was way close.
I'm really happy with the results.
NYT reports:
Hochul - 52.9%
Zeldin - 47%
At 90% vote total. For NY that's super, super close and this seems to be one of the polls that was on the nose. With it being so close that should be a warning to NY Dems. Far from a blowout and this should be considered a win for Republicans.
Dems flipped, MA, MD, and it looks like AZ governor races.
As far as I can tell, Rs made zero gains in governor seats.
Maybe that should be a warning to Rs.
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 01:31:03 AM
Bro the NY governor race was way close.
I'm really happy with the results.
NYT reports:
Hochul - 52.9%
Zeldin - 47%
At 90% vote total. For NY that's super, super close and this seems to be one of the polls that was on the nose. With it being so close that should be a warning to NY Dems. Far from a blowout and this should be considered a win for Republicans.
Dems flipped, MA, MD, and it looks like AZ governor races.
As far as I can tell, Rs made zero gains in governor seats.
Maybe that should be a warning to Rs.
It absolutely is and I view this as the death of MAGA in the GOP.
What I'm saying by message is message to NY Dems.
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 01:35:59 AM
Dems flipped, MA, MD, and it looks like AZ governor races.Come on, Jack. :biden
As far as I can tell, Rs made zero gains in governor seats.
Maybe that should be a warning to Rs.
(https://i.imgur.com/P0P00Lr.png)Probably should have waited on this one.
ahahahah Abrams fucked it up for Warnock. Go Walker!
As someone said on my discord:QuoteGeorgians are going to elect a degenerate and im here for it
:dead
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 01:36:57 AM
What I'm saying by message is message to NY Dems.
Sometimes shit candidate is just shit candidate.
Like Boebert being behind in a Trump+8 district. If the D wins, he will lose next time for sure. The message isnt about the party, its about the candidate.
One reason Florida was such a blowout is because Charlie Crist is a 3 time loser. Nobody likes him and he wont take the hint. He should have fucked off a decade ago.
hes the Martha Coakley for Floridaman
This was supposed to be like 2010.
Instead it may just be the best mid-term performance by a Democrat president party...EVER
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 01:39:21 AM
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 01:39:29 AM
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 01:40:32 AM
Instead it may just be the best mid-term performance by a Democrat president party...EVERhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1934_United_States_Senate_elections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1934_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 01:45:04 AM
Instead it may just be the best mid-term performance by a Democrat president party...EVERhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1934_United_States_Senate_elections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1934_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections
History starts in 1965 my dude
Also
https://twitter.com/Cosmiknightmare/status/1590214904413552641
:neogaf
Post by: Occam on November 09, 2022, 01:46:04 AM
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 01:48:59 AM
History starts in 1965 my dudeAnother lieberal like DeSantis trying to erase most of the Democratic Party's white supremacist history. :wag
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 01:49:55 AM
:gurl
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 01:52:21 AM
Blue tsunami
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 01:58:41 AM
https://twitter.com/FOX13Memphis/status/1590208198857850880ugh, more woke shit, these social studies warriors never stop trying to destroy American traditions do they
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 02:02:53 AM
Also now wonder if some judge will read this to ban convict labor.
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 02:10:57 AM
https://twitter.com/umichvoter/status/1590237602275528704
Backstory:
Quote
This is the seat where Rep. Peter Meijer (R) lost to Gibbs in the primary after voting to impeach Trump following the Jan. 6 Capitol attack. Gibbs was endorsed by Trump, and Scholten lost to Meijer in 2020 in a year Biden won in the area.
Another Trump disaster
:neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 02:23:08 AM
https://twitter.com/BenBerke6/status/1590227347529420800
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1590216256854294528
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 02:23:57 AM
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 02:29:29 AM
https://twitter.com/jefftimmer/status/1590240390879539200
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 02:31:15 AM
https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1590213966999216128
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 02:34:28 AM
Get fucked Hochul.
Post by: who is ted danson? on November 09, 2022, 02:59:40 AM
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 03:01:51 AM
FLIP FLIP FLIP FLIP FLIPHow is he making this call when if they win all the seats they're currently leading in (a bunch of which are close and under 50% in) they'd be down 19-18? He's also counting the seat that barely has any of the vote in?
https://twitter.com/jefftimmer/status/1590240390879539200
Maybe it's the map, I forgot they changed all the numbers. Still don't trust GOP grifters though.
Term limit change gonna win. :american
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 03:12:50 AM
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 03:14:47 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1590255399508262913
Post by: Kurt Russell on November 09, 2022, 03:27:59 AM
this is like a Nintendo direct
Marginally more excited pedophiles than a Nintendo direct.
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 03:34:24 AM
Halfway through, Elissa Slotkin not doin so hot. Maybe flooding the district with ads only about Barrett being pro-life while he only talked about economy and rising prices and how she's voted with Biden 100% of time not best idea in 50/50 district.:ufup
Probably should have waited on this one.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on November 09, 2022, 03:36:12 AM
Post by: BIONIC on November 09, 2022, 03:44:11 AM
are the good guys winning?
Himu posting walls of cope, so it seems like it.
Post by: Nintex on November 09, 2022, 03:45:53 AM
In some places like NY better than expected results don't matter much if it's still not enough to win. This is the result the GOP needs for a competitive primary though but exit polls are terrible for both Trump and Biden so running either of them would be tricky.
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 03:54:18 AM
Also now wonder if some judge will read this to ban convict labor.Shut up dummy:
Quote
The proposed amendment would replace that with, “Slavery and involuntary servitude are forever prohibited. Nothing in this section shall prohibit an inmate from working when the inmate has been duly convicted of a crime.”
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 09, 2022, 04:37:42 AM
Post by: Occam on November 09, 2022, 04:41:07 AM
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 07:59:20 AM
are the good guys winning?
Himu posting walls of cope, so it seems like it.
Cope is called anything these days it seems. My most preferred republican candidate dominated last night. I didn't cope in any way. Trumpism in the GOP is dead. I won.
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 08:16:58 AM
RON
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1590329298942103552
This is such a mind boggling midterm.
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1590303576710348803
https://twitter.com/davidmwilson2/status/1590305231178731520
YES
https://twitter.com/JoelWeingart_/status/1590303172144177152
https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1590234679839313920
YES YES
Post by: Uncle on November 09, 2022, 08:28:30 AM
republicans thought they would win bigly, and they won but not as much as they thought
so is it more good because things weren't as bad as expected, or more bad that biden still generally finds himself in an ineffectual position?
I don't know how to look at it historically, is it common that every latter half of a presidency during economic downturn ends up with them even more compromised than this time? is this especially blue for the situation? or is the crowing just because polls leaned too far in the wrong direction?
it seems like nobody got what they wanted :doge
Post by: Occam on November 09, 2022, 08:41:45 AM
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 08:45:11 AM
as usual everyone wants to dunk on everyone
republicans thought they would win bigly, and they won but not as much as they thought
so is it more good because things weren't as bad as expected, or more bad that biden still generally finds himself in an ineffectual position?
I don't know how to look at it historically, is it common that every latter half of a presidency during economic downturn ends up with them even more compromised than this time? is this especially blue for the situation? or is the crowing just because polls leaned too far in the wrong direction?
it seems like nobody got what they wanted :doge
Voters are lukewarm on both parties and we are at an impasse. I think voters want both parties to moderate.
I had a look at the comments at foxnews, and while most of it is the usual pretzel brain nonsense (radical marxists! Cheating! Anti-Americans!), a handful of comments actually say that it doesn't work to just constantly get outraged at problems but offer no solutions.
Check reddit r/conservative :)
Post by: Polident Hive on November 09, 2022, 08:56:18 AM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2022, 08:56:33 AM
Abrams and her allies spent WEEKS blaming black men for her being down in the polls. Sowing division in the black community and constantly denigrating or ignoring black men has to stop. It was obvious she would do well with black men...and it was obvious there was no evidence they were flocking to republicans in droves, so Abrams' messaging were a deliberate choice to mislead. Didn't say a peep about white women, who clearly doomed her last night. I like a lot of things about Abrams but she's clearly not a good candidate, and more of a behind the scenes person (registering people to vote, building groundwork etc).
Kemp has been a successful republican governor down there and clearly folks like him unfortunately.
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 09:30:31 AM
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 10:26:26 AM
I think voters want both parties to moderate.
Rs and moderates have spent MONTHS arguing that "the woke agenda" would cost the Ds hundreds of seats.
Instead, the woke candidates DOMINATED like the defund police LA guy.
Meanwhile, Horchul whos policy was "lets add more cops" did badly by comparison. In Florida, super moderate Crist got destroyed.
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 10:40:43 AM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1590366102789402624
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 10:51:09 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1590310549266759681
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 11:05:00 AM
:girlaff :girlaff :girlaff
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 11:17:14 AM
:tauntaun :tauntaun :tauntaun
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2022, 11:19:04 AM
It looks like Warnock is going to win in Georgia but you can clearly see that a normal republican could have beaten him. Instead Trump dumped Hershel Walker on voters. Now Warnock will likely get a full six year term. Meanwhile in Arizona, a state no one would mistake for "blue" (despite Biden winning it) it looks like the state-wide dem candidates are all going to win.
It's true voters tend not to like losers or people perceived as weak (democrats lol)....but they also don't like assholes. I think a lot of republicans miscalculated not realizing that the Trump shit really only works for him, outside of red states.
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 11:37:21 AM
Quote
There are so many politicians who have tried the "What if Trumpism, but I also subtly signal to middle of the road people that it's all an act" shtick from Nikki Haley to now Ron DeSantis.
You know what they all have in common? None of them have ever had to debate Donald Trump in person.
You know who HAS tried to simultaneously juggle dabbling in Trumpist aesthetic, signaling that they don't mean it, and debating Donald Trump in person, all at the same time? Marco Rubio
It's true voters tend not to like losers or people perceived as weak (democrats lol)....but they also don't like assholes. I think a lot of republicans miscalculated not realizing that the Trump shit really only works for him, outside of red states.
Boomer media doesnt talk about it, but gen Z is all about being wholesome.
The R party is all about being an asshole. its a huge turnoff.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2022, 11:44:09 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/qsrBVQv.jpg)
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2012/11/unskewed-polls-founder-dean-chambers-on-polling-bias.html
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2012/11/unskewed-polls-founder-dean-chambers-on-polling-bias.html
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Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 11:53:58 AM
https://twitter.com/chrisarvinsf/status/1590231026584137729
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 11:55:48 AM
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 11:58:56 AM
https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1590384374070902785
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 12:01:37 PM
We wont know who wins the House until next Monday. Pucker up bois, its all about the mail ballots trickling in
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I didnt send in my last 9 ballots until 6pm yesterday :whew
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Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on November 09, 2022, 12:07:38 PM
(https://grrrgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/election_22-midterm_notes-1536x1149.jpg)
Post by: Nintex on November 09, 2022, 12:20:24 PM
"I'm offiically announcing that I am running.... a new TV Network called TRUTH TV! It's going to the biggest and best TV network the United States and perhaps the world has ever seen to fight against the fake news media, communists and bad Hollywood actors that are brainwashing your children and changing the gender of Mickey Mouse. TRUTH TV will host live coverage of the best golf tournaments, 24 hour news, elections and great new shows made by the best talent like myself and my good friends Dr. Oz., Kanye West, Mike Lindell, Carly Lake and Lou Dobbs"
:trumps
"Will you run for President SIR?"
"MEXICAN VIOLENCE?"
"No... will you run for President"
"Look *waves arms* You're going to be very happy"
*claps and points*
*poorly tuned sound system: IN THE END IT DIDN'T EVEN MATTER.... I TRIED SO HARD TO LOSE IT ALL*
Liberals: "TRUMP can't just distance himself from the GOP and politics to start a new TV network, right?" :brazilcry
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 12:27:05 PM
:stop
Edit: mistook Nintex's words for Trump's :sabu :stop
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 12:49:48 PM
:delicious
Fuck Hochul, fuck NY Dems, awfully ran state. They deserve this. I got all I wanted :rejoice
Edit: They're blaming Cuomo
https://twitter.com/brianpmangan/status/1590376235640946690
https://twitter.com/brianpmangan/status/1590386996341780480
https://twitter.com/Not_Mike_Brady/status/1590299952982679553
:salute
Post by: Nintex on November 09, 2022, 12:55:01 PM
Economy
- Most voters don't think the Democrats are making the best calls to fix inflation but a gridlock could potentially halt any federal aid like what had happened with the COVID relief.
Winner: Democrats
Abortion
- Most voters probably don't feel comfortable with late term abortions but they don't want to entirely ban abortions either.
Winner: Democrats
Ukraine
- Most voters probably agree that too much money is going to Ukraine but they don't want to 'lose' a war against Russia to give Biden the L either.
Winner: Democrats
Foreign policy
- Countries like Saudi Arabia are actively working against the US and Trump is applauding this by hosting their Golf tournaments.
The rally around the flag effect favors Biden. Trump supporters do not like the Saudis especially if they keep gas prices high at their expense.
The Democrats showed some remarkable balls standing up to China in Taiwan. Calling Xi's bluff and Putin's army is also in ruins.
Winner: Democrats
Crime / policing
- Most voters are probably centrist on this issue but they don't have to worry about Biden going along with the leftist ideas of defunding.
Plus Trumpblicans are very selective in their 'support' when it suits them, openly calling for shutting down the FBI and such.
Winner: Democrats
Democracy
- Most voters probably don't believe that Democracy is under threat but they aren't comfortable with a riot at the Capitol either.
They mostly want to close the book on January 6th and the 2020 election and not dwell in the past.
Winner: Democrats
Culture War
- Most voters are probably centrist when it comes to this issue but politicians have little influence on these issues. This war is to be won at the box office not the ballot box.
This is also why the likes of Stacey Abrams didn't win.
Winner: Republicans
Migration
- This is mostly an issue for border states and not high on the list of voters concerns right now.
Winner: Republicans
Fetterman vs. Oz
Voters don't see a guy recovering from a stroke as a 'loser' they see him has a 'fighter' especially with Oz as the opponent.
Almost the reverse of Walker / Warnock even. But Warnock isn't a tool.
Winner: Fetterman
DeSantis vs. Trump
Ron is everything conservative voters want Trump to be. He's ruthless, focused and kind of an asshole. Trump was just clowning around, sabotaging primaries
with his own unvetted candidates or throwing elections into chaos by endorsing 2 candidates without telling them. Donnie had a grand old time with the GOP thinking
he could get away with everything and DeSantis ignored him.
Winner: DeSantis
Local politics is an entirely different beast than a presidential race because it is much closer to home.
Trump fucked around and found out.
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 12:59:22 PM
Noooo! :stop
https://twitter.com/elidourado/status/1590340468423786496
YES!
Post by: Nintex on November 09, 2022, 01:05:24 PM
https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1590364800668037121 (https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1590364800668037121)
:lol
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 01:08:05 PM
BUT
Is it possible someone could poke a Trump voodoo doll?
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 01:21:14 PM
:whew
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 01:32:06 PM
https://twitter.com/MaryPeltola/status/1590389612941295620
Post by: Nintex on November 09, 2022, 01:35:18 PM
:lol
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 01:40:46 PM
I want to win and stop the Democratic Party and their far leftism.
https://twitter.com/jonfasman/status/1590328807265021954
https://twitter.com/asymmetricinfo/status/1590329291245502467
https://twitter.com/asymmetricinfo/status/1590329928112902147
https://twitter.com/asymmetricinfo/status/1590331895451099136
Post by: Occam on November 09, 2022, 01:42:22 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 09, 2022, 01:46:21 PM
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 01:49:13 PM
Kelly TshibakaGOP 93,847 44.4
Lisa Murkowski * GOP 90,325 42.7
BUT the D candidate is at 9.5% and they use ranked choice so we wont know for another two weeks how the cookie crumbled
Post by: Nintex on November 09, 2022, 02:05:08 PM
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 02:08:12 PM
It's our party now :smug
Post by: Potato on November 09, 2022, 02:12:39 PM
STAY MAD :sabuMAGA hat burning video when?
It's our party now :smug
Post by: Polident Hive on November 09, 2022, 02:16:13 PM
https://twitter.com/MaxwellFrostFL/status/833424206620717056
https://twitter.com/RobertGarcia/status/909540620737306624
Maybe if Dr. Oz walked out to Utada’s Sanctuary and quoted Owls of Gahoole, he would’ve had a chance.
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 02:18:48 PM
The blue wave is hitting Florida after all
https://mobile.twitter.com/RMcCranieWFTV/status/1590330079766548481
https://mobile.twitter.com/CTurnerWFTV/status/1590367085015994368
Enjoy your dying state DeSantis
Post by: Occam on November 09, 2022, 02:38:10 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/A2H9BNaLtuoAAAAC/bugsbunny-florida.gif)
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 02:53:35 PM
STAY MAD :sabuMAGA hat burning video when?
It's our party now :smug
You want that? :obama
Post by: Sman on November 09, 2022, 02:54:48 PM
I want to win and stop the Democratic Party and their far leftism.
The problem is you want to win more than you want the country to win.
:bluesteel
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 02:56:26 PM
I want to win and stop the Democratic Party and their far leftism.
The problem is you want to win more than you want the country to win.
:bluesteel
Nah. I saw New York and leftism is bad for humanity and this country. Progressive policy isn't good and doesn't work. It puts people in a hole of victimhood and makes a weak nation. Only smaller government and an individual approach can save us, not relying on the teet of government.
Show me a single left policy that works besides universal healthcare and ending drug prohibition (which isn't exclusively left).
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 03:08:20 PM
https://twitter.com/OregonianPol/status/1590423840748109824
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 03:10:53 PM
Show me a single left policy that works besides universal healthcare and ending drug prohibition (which isn't exclusively left).
https://twitter.com/LaurenKGurley/status/1590429536789102593
https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1590404134939025408
https://twitter.com/WBUR/status/1590411820816367619
https://twitter.com/rmc031/status/1590193939038228480
Post by: Occam on November 09, 2022, 03:13:57 PM
Reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgDle5B38LU&t=100s
The people who wore the hat should get MAGA tattooed on their foreheads.
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 03:27:13 PM
Therefore: I was able to see left policies in action. Democrats want these policies enacted across the entire country. They admire figures such as the now tainted Andrew Cuomo and people like AOC. They look to NYC and NY Dem politics for leadership, counsel, and example.
The location puts to the test the very idea of their most inner principles. My observation was that those principles do not work in theory. Things like their bail reform, their negligent treatment of the homeless, their infantilization of certain groups of certain groups (particularly black people) of incapable of being criminals due to prior dehumanization and ill treatment, their overly dramatic Covid response, authoritarian approaches to leadership, not taking Supreme Court orders towards respecting gun ownership seriously, high taxes, income tax all point to a lower quality of life and living. Their policies, as per my life example, have been tested and I personally think they are bad for the country.
Please back up how they're good for America? We've seen the Democratic response to Covid and children are development delayed by years. Kids without access to computers were set adrift. People were fired and now there's mass shortages of key personnel. On and on and on. And that's one issue. Crime, homelessness, their culture of producing laziness and victimhood notwithstanding. I've been saying it for a year: liberalism is bad for America. Those have been my claims and any thing I've done is in pursuit of saving my country and our values from it. I will continue to do so.
Show me a single left policy that works besides universal healthcare and ending drug prohibition (which isn't exclusively left).
https://twitter.com/LaurenKGurley/status/1590429536789102593
https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1590404134939025408
https://twitter.com/WBUR/status/1590411820816367619
https://twitter.com/rmc031/status/1590193939038228480
Raising the minimum wage to 18 an hour does not work and is impractical.
1. It makes it the minimum wage.
2. Thus all other jobs are supposed to increase their wages.
3. Many jobs don't.
4. Those that do, many will raise the minimum wage but give less hours.
5. Despite all of this, things get more expensive to reflect higher wages.
In NYC many jobs touted 15 dollars an hour and many if not most would try to find ways to pay you less and cut your hours so you aren't working a full 40 hours or sometimes even a full 30 hours. That way they say they raised the minimum while still not paying your fair share. As a working class worker in bars and restaurants that is what I experienced. It was almost always a bad deal despite the claims of its positivity.
There's no evidence the Gen Z uptick was due to the Loan Forgiveness, although it might play a part.
So far your points are just conjecture and not actual "this is why I think we are right" defenses.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2022, 04:29:42 PM
It's early but I think republicans get bombed in 2024. MI is gone, based on last night's results (including mail voting being secured for future elections). PA is gone for the same reason. Barring economic collapse, I guess. Wisconsin is clearly winnable based on Evers getting re-elected. Florida is irrelevant. Biden won without it. Obama won it twice but would have still won even if he had lost the state to McCain or Romney.
I think Biden also deserves credit for finally stepping back and allowing the obvious Ws to pile up.
Post by: Nintex on November 09, 2022, 04:29:48 PM
"Joe Biden is inviting these Tik Tok people and South Korean boy bands to the White House. We all know kids don't vote it's going to be like the Elevator Doors from the Shining.
Everyone I know is voting Republican. People are pissed. The Republicans are going to win big I'm betting my dick on it."
:snob
"Young women want to have lots and lots of babies with strong alpha males and they are sick of casual dating but want real relationships. It's not weird for a 50 year old man to say this. You just can't handle the facts cucks"
:ego
"My polls show that Dr. Oz is surging in PA because of how toxic Biden is. Red Wave, more like Red Tsunami. The Republicans could flip New York"
:trumps
"Our country is going to hell but don't worry folks I've revamped my plane to fight for you. Don't you think it's big and beautiful?
Great to see all the same faces again for the 8th rally this month guess you guys really can't get enough of the MyPillow Discounts right?"
:engel
"What's the better headline people: 'The last gas'p of the Biden Presidency' or 'Joe Biden's gas pump dump vote slump'"
:biden
"How do you do fellow kids. Who wants free ice cream, chocolate chip is my favorite. Democracy is under attack like in the Avengers and Thanos Trump wants to ban TikTok and Putin will hack your Playspace... Playtray.. you know the thing!
Just have your mom and pops drop off your ballot and stay in your safespace. Where is the exit."
:uguu ":heartbeat OMG DADDY BIDEN IS MORBIN FAM :heartbeat" :umad
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 04:36:37 PM
Everything republicans yelled about turned out to be bullshit. The trans shit, the CRT nonsense, even inflation...none of it mattered more than abortion in many parts of the country. There should be a message here that while dems have some party problems, voters are tired or indifferent to the nonstop cultural warfare of the right wing. Republicans need to get rid of the Trump acolytes. The way Q shit has become mainstream in republican circles has to trouble them. I'm not referring to the grand election conspiracy, but instead the fantasy novel-esque obsession over "demonic forces." Having republicans call abortion demonic is probably not a good idea fellas. Every single pro-choice measure passed last night, including in MONTANA and Kentucky. Time to take the L on this.
It's early but I think republicans get bombed in 2024. MI is gone, based on last night's results (including mail voting being secured for future elections). PA is gone for the same reason. Barring economic collapse, I guess. Wisconsin is clearly winnable based on Evers getting re-elected. Florida is irrelevant. Biden won without it. Obama won it twice but would have still won even if he had lost the state to McCain or Romney.
I think Biden also deserves credit for finally stepping back and allowing the obvious Ws to pile up. The
I can agree. 2024 might not be in play for Republicans regardless of who runs. The abortion issue is too important to many
I think those issues you raised are important but not as important as abortion to the majority of Americans.
I don't think Republicans calling abortion demonic is Q related. Frankly, despite hanging out in right spaces I have never encountered anything Q. Catholics will call abortion demonic.
It seems the gains Trump gave the GOP in flipping rust belt states has completely went the other way. What's the situation in the Midwest, PD? Are a lot of conservatives leaving Michigan for Florida or did they flip to D or did they just not vote?
Post by: Uncle on November 09, 2022, 04:39:19 PM
but what's better, a trump who likely won't win, or a candidate the republican party is more confident about who might actually stand a chance?
I know the democrats made the mistake of propping up trump before, but this seems like actual evidence that his shit is on the way out
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 04:41:08 PM
I saw some people celebrating that trumpism is showing cracks and if trump is smart he won't run again
but what's better, a trump who likely won't win, or a candidate the republican party is more confident about who might actually stand a chance?
I know the democrats made the mistake of propping up trump before, but this seems like actual evidence that his shit is on the way out
Trump WILL run because he's a dumb ass narcissist.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2022, 04:43:49 PM
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 05:02:29 PM
Post by: Nintex on November 09, 2022, 05:05:02 PM
The Republican party is the party of old people, GenX Facebook boomers and a few millenials because millenials don't vote or barely vote (and people were wrong to assume GenZ also wouldn't vote).
They're not going to win in 2024 with Trump at the helm. If they don't pick Trump he might run as an independent.
I don't see a path for a Republican president in 2024 with GenZ (+28D) being heavily involved into politics.
It's not a single issue either, it's a generational divide.
I read the exit poll wrong. I thought the 'shared my values' thing was a conservative/religious thing but it's not. It's the mix-tape of they/thems, climate, tik tok dance, never answer the phone, ghosting, Morbius values that make no sense.
Trump's magic doesn't work on this group, they actually broke his spell before.
Before the 2020 election they bought all the tickets for one his rallies and he was left with an empty stadium. It was the first time the media could show the world a 'defeated' Trump and they did it because he wanted to ban TikTok.
It makes sense though. These are the kids that had working class GenX parents or family that supported Trump. Probably thinking dad's MAGA hat was cringe and their uncle should stop sending Facebook memes.
The conservative or right wing side of this group has mostly learned how to invest in crypto, be an alpha male and that government is useless and elections are rigged.
The left wing side of this group has learned that activism is your day job to save the planet and purple hair improves your aim.
Oh and all the ad spending? Completely useless. They don't watch TV.
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 05:13:52 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1590449146502201344
Post by: BrokenVerses on November 09, 2022, 05:19:23 PM
The conservative or right wing side of this group has mostly learned how to invest in crypto, be an alpha male and that government is useless and elections are rigged.
If they "invested" in crypto they were probably too broke to drive to the polls anyways lol. Bitcoin 16,000 and plummeting!
Post by: Nintex on November 09, 2022, 05:25:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhJrL0NXoAAEpgA?format=jpg)
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 05:28:09 PM
Seems we may have a new powerful voting bloc
Also what's wrong with millennials? Why don't we vote?
Trump's going after DeSantis :lol
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhJrL0NXoAAEpgA?format=jpg)
DO IT YOU FUCK ASS
Post by: Nintex on November 09, 2022, 05:45:54 PM
GOP may have a hard time winning going forward with Gen Z in play for the time being.
Seems we may have a new powerful voting bloc
Also what's wrong with millennials? Why don't we vote?Trump's going after DeSantis :lol
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhJrL0NXoAAEpgA?format=jpg)
DO IT YOU FUCK ASS
Our generation owns very little plus there aren't many millenial candidates to represent us because we don't vote.
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 05:47:51 PM
I disagree with the politics of most of Gen Z but I really respect their generations mindset. Gen Z understands that power is taken, not given. Millennials really are babies.
This is also frightening because they're so damn leftist.
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 05:49:27 PM
https://twitter.com/Anthony/status/1590452394743455744
Post by: Potato on November 09, 2022, 05:50:03 PM
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 05:51:41 PM
Millennials suck. Objectively the worst generation.
:respect
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 06:05:54 PM
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 07:19:15 PM
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 07:48:06 PM
Asking for my future home state.
Things I can think of are infastructure, fixing up those horrible MI roads, environmentalism. Do you think Whitmer will lean towards culture wars as other Guvs have?
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 08:03:11 PM
What caused this? Was it solely candidate quality?
Post by: Uncle on November 09, 2022, 08:44:33 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 09:09:38 PM
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 09:46:29 PM
https://twitter.com/MattRinaldiTX/status/1590392439214592000
https://twitter.com/MattRinaldiTX/status/1590392440816828416
https://twitter.com/MattRinaldiTX/status/1590392447028559875
https://twitter.com/MattRinaldiTX/status/1590392452552458240
No idea how Ron will perform outside of Florida.
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 09:49:24 PM
https://twitter.com/RyanGirdusky/status/1590507167123021825
Check out my old stomping grounds. My old neighborhood of Flatbush? Has a touch of red. Where I used to work in Bay Ridge? Red. Some of Sunset Park? A splash of red. Look at the southern Brooklyn tip. The red is expanding to the west. That's way more than 2020. These are all working class places. Asians and Latinos in western BK are flipping. Check out Queens and the Rockaways. Yerrrrr!
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 09:57:39 PM
https://twitter.com/NedLamont/status/1590464565216571393
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 10:04:45 PM
Cuomo won by over 20 points. Hochul won by only 5. If trends continue NY might be in play. I could see some parts of lower Manhattan becoming red as Republicans cut ties with Trump. Neighborhoods like Chinatown and Little Italy might have inroads. Maybe LES. Maybe. Let's see what Hochul does in her term.
I got all most of what I wanted. :)
Post by: james on November 09, 2022, 10:07:33 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2022, 10:14:47 PM
Good example of land not being people. You can hover your mouse around each county and see how many votes/people are there.
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2022, 10:15:12 PM
Boebert now down by just 64 votes, nailbiter
https://twitter.com/cameron_arcand/status/1590466163431329792
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2022, 10:34:37 PM
:american
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Joe's answer is infinitely better than the stupid question.
[close]
Post by: Nintex on November 10, 2022, 02:36:30 AM
Oh shi :lol
They had Piers Morgan write it as the ultimate humiliation
"What Tuesday night’s midterm election results suggest is that former President Donald Trump is perhaps the most profound vote repellant in modern American history."
https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/status/1590516428611919873 (https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/status/1590516428611919873)
Post by: Occam on November 10, 2022, 02:59:06 AM
Quote
Democrats in Albany began the year hopeful that they could draw new lines that would protect their incumbents and cost Republicans as many as four seats in the state to offset Republican gains elsewhere.
But New York’s highest court, in response to a Republican lawsuit, threw out the maps as an unconstitutional gerrymander and put more competitive alternatives in their place. In a handful of other states, courts ruled that Republicans had gerrymandered maps but did not enforce those rulings, but in New York, the judges insisted the lines be redrawn this year
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/09/nyregion/new-york-republicans-house.html
Hilarious. So thanks to the non-corrupted court of NY, Democrats were not allowed to get away with gerrymandering, while the Republican-stacked courts elsewhere did not enforce their rulings, allowing the Republicans to get away with it.
Post by: Occam on November 10, 2022, 03:10:44 AM
Post by: chronovore on November 10, 2022, 04:35:19 AM
Boebert now down by just 64 votes, nailbiter
Boebert is a bully, a liar, low class, idiotic poopface.
I'm hoping the mail-in voters skew blue, and we can leave her embarrassing ass in the dirt.
I also can't believe that MTG's been reelected. I hope businesses pull out of Georgia, like MTG's dad should have.
Post by: Occam on November 10, 2022, 05:44:32 AM
Quote
Former Representative Peter King, a Republican from Long Island who has long supported Mr. Trump, said, “I strongly believe he should no longer be the face of the Republican Party,” adding that the party “can’t become a personality cult.”LOL. What year is this?
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on November 10, 2022, 06:43:50 AM
Everything republicans yelled about turned out to be bullshit. The trans shit, the CRT nonsense, even inflation...none of it mattered more than abortion in many parts of the country. There should be a message here that while dems have some party problems, voters are tired or indifferent to the nonstop cultural warfare of the right wing. Republicans need to get rid of the Trump acolytes. The way Q shit has become mainstream in republican circles has to trouble them. I'm not referring to the grand election conspiracy, but instead the fantasy novel-esque obsession over "demonic forces." Having republicans call abortion demonic is probably not a good idea fellas. Every single pro-choice measure passed last night, including in MONTANA and Kentucky. Time to take the L on this.
It's early but I think republicans get bombed in 2024. MI is gone, based on last night's results (including mail voting being secured for future elections). PA is gone for the same reason. Barring economic collapse, I guess. Wisconsin is clearly winnable based on Evers getting re-elected. Florida is irrelevant. Biden won without it. Obama won it twice but would have still won even if he had lost the state to McCain or Romney.
I think Biden also deserves credit for finally stepping back and allowing the obvious Ws to pile up.
leave himu alone bro
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2022, 07:30:01 AM
https://twitter.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1590521550574612483 (https://twitter.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1590521550574612483)
Oh shi :lol
They had Piers Morgan write it as the ultimate humiliation
"What Tuesday night’s midterm election results suggest is that former President Donald Trump is perhaps the most profound vote repellant in modern American history."
https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/status/1590516428611919873 (https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/status/1590516428611919873)
Good.
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2022, 08:30:10 AM
:crowdlaff
Biden thinks the Dems not getting shellacked means voters approve of his tenure and agenda rather than rejecting the banana stand Trump backed GOP candidates. 2024 could still be ours for the taking. Dems might have learned the wrong lesson. Democratic Party might be among the dumbest people in this country.
Post by: Occam on November 10, 2022, 09:12:50 AM
It's not like those tools who go to Trump rallies now will wake up one morning, suddenly develop the ability of independent thought and see the the error of their ways. They'll need someone else to fill the hole in their tiny little hearts and brains.
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2022, 09:16:44 AM
By the way, now that the Republican Party has turned into the party of Dear Leader, why wouldn't they fall for Dear Leader 2 after Trump?
It's not like those morons who go to Trump rallies will wake up one morning, suddenly develop the ability of independent thought and see the the error of their ways. They'll need someone else to fill the hole in their tiny hearts and brains.
Both parties look for a potential leader and front runner. See Dems after during Bush years until they found a spark in some guy that spoke at the DNC in 04 from Illinois and during Reagan. Look at how Dems are positioning Kamala. They want her to lead. Same thing, different parties.
Post by: Occam on November 10, 2022, 09:21:41 AM
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2022, 09:42:23 AM
The cult of personality surrounding Trump is pretty unprecedented in America.
Yes, it is. That's not the same as with DeSantis. Although there's legitimate concern people could turn it into Cult of Personality, I think in this case we just want viable leadership, which is just regular American politics (see: FDR, Lincoln, Kennedy, Einsenhower, Reagan, Obama). A party turning to leadership is normal and there's nothing to suggest what we have for DeSantis is cult like.
Post by: Lonewulfeus on November 10, 2022, 10:12:54 AM
https://twitter.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1590521550574612483 (https://twitter.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1590521550574612483)
Oh shi :lol
They had Piers Morgan write it as the ultimate humiliation
"What Tuesday night’s midterm election results suggest is that former President Donald Trump is perhaps the most profound vote repellant in modern American history."
https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/status/1590516428611919873 (https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/status/1590516428611919873)
I’ll believe they’re trying to move past trump if this narrative lasts more than a single news cycle. Look at all the other times the outrage only lasted a day. The brainlets who read that junk and watch Fox News only remember what they were told to believe that day.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2022, 12:04:38 PM
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2022, 12:31:42 PM
Post by: james on November 10, 2022, 12:55:54 PM
:judgement
Post by: Potato on November 10, 2022, 12:58:09 PM
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
Post by: BIONIC on November 10, 2022, 01:09:48 PM
DenialAnger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
Where does Cope fit in? :teehee
Post by: james on November 10, 2022, 01:10:32 PM
Quote
Dow surges 1,000 points in biggest rally since 2020 after a lighter-than-expected inflation report
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/09/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html
Joe Biden really is the messiah
Post by: Sman on November 10, 2022, 01:16:11 PM
The blue wave is lifting the marketQuoteDow surges 1,000 points in biggest rally since 2020 after a lighter-than-expected inflation report
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/09/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html
Joe Biden really is the messiah
Xmas is early this year.
Khersion retreat.
Red Wave reduced to a ripple
Inflation falling
Market soaring... nah, fuck the market. :yuck
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2022, 01:52:02 PM
YES YES YES
Post by: who is ted danson? on November 10, 2022, 02:13:22 PM
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2022, 02:27:32 PM
DenialAnger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
When was I ever in denial or angry about these results? :heh
I think the stage you're at is deflection. I've been pushing for DeSantis to be the GOP Presidential Nominee for months, if not a year. I'm very happy with the results. As PD, said,"Himu wins here". Please catch up. :idont
Post by: Potato on November 10, 2022, 02:28:52 PM
What sort of deluded narcissist thinks every post is about them?DenialAnger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
When was I ever in denial or angry about these results? :heh
I think the stage you're at is deflection. I've been pushing for DeSantis to be the GOP Presidential Nominee for months, if not a year. I'm very happy with the results. As PD, said,"Himu wins here". Please catch up. :idont
https://youtu.be/j13oJajXx0M
Post by: Uncle on November 10, 2022, 02:34:48 PM
https://twitter.com/ShitpostGate/status/1590740220194197504
however:
if this now represents the average person, then it really is his country to fix as he sees fit
:trumps
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2022, 02:36:29 PM
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428
This from Politico in 2016 shows precisely why the Democratic Party shouldn't be supported. :doge DNC pumps money into bad candidates and wants Republicans to run them but is :pika when it backfires. The Democratic Party loves playing with fire and because every single race they meddled with ended up going their way this midterm they'll keep doing it despite it backfiring when they picked Trump. Then they'll mplain "why aren't Republicans running moderate candidates" when the DNC pumped money into extreme candidates. But because it's the DNC the lesson won't be learned. Truly despicable oligarchs.
You can bet your ass that if it comes to a Trump vs DeSantis primary Dems will pump money into Donald's warchest while calling him a fascist Nazi.
Conclusion: DNC is the enemy of the people. :idont
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2022, 02:39:08 PM
IT'S HAPPENING!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2022, 03:10:02 PM
The blue wave is lifting the marketQuoteDow surges 1,000 points in biggest rally since 2020 after a lighter-than-expected inflation report
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/09/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html
Joe Biden really is the messiah
Are you guys ready for Biden to end up as the most effective US president since LBJ. :lol
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2022, 03:12:20 PM
Post by: Occam on November 10, 2022, 03:14:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1KkEqYQhVA
Post by: Nintex on November 10, 2022, 03:37:18 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/biden-says-he-plans-to-do-nothing-differently-in-second-half-of-presidency/Including the Democratic primary, Biden won 3 elections in a row that everyone predicted he would lose. People keep underestimating him.
:crowdlaff
Biden thinks the Dems not getting shellacked means voters approve of his tenure and agenda rather than rejecting the banana stand Trump backed GOP candidates. 2024 could still be ours for the taking. Dems might have learned the wrong lesson. Democratic Party might be among the dumbest people in this country.
I'm not sure if Biden is the one who is dumb and should learn lessons.
The Republicans will blame Trump and he will blame the Republicans and whoever of them wins, they lose. :doge
https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1590542903755309056 (https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1590542903755309056)
Post by: james on November 10, 2022, 04:02:20 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/biden-says-he-plans-to-do-nothing-differently-in-second-half-of-presidency/Including the Democratic primary, Biden won 3 elections in a row that everyone predicted he would lose. People keep underestimating him.
:crowdlaff
Biden thinks the Dems not getting shellacked means voters approve of his tenure and agenda rather than rejecting the banana stand Trump backed GOP candidates. 2024 could still be ours for the taking. Dems might have learned the wrong lesson. Democratic Party might be among the dumbest people in this country.
I'm not sure if Biden is the one who is dumb and should learn lessons.
The Republicans will blame Trump and he will blame the Republicans and whoever of them wins, they lose. :doge
https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1590542903755309056 (https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1590542903755309056)
Counterpoint: Bernie would have won twice as many seats
Post by: Potato on November 10, 2022, 04:12:40 PM
:obama :whew
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2022, 05:09:24 PM
Hilarious. So thanks to the non-corrupted court of NY, Democrats were not allowed to get away with gerrymandering, while the Republican-stacked courts elsewhere did not enforce their rulings, allowing the Republicans to get away with it.
So if the Republicans take the House, it will in part have been made possible by gerrymandering (which of course is an incorrect premise, as we have learned here).Hey, if lying to yourself and others is how you cope with constantly being an idiot in public I'm not going to stop you, I just don't want others to be deceived by the disinformation you like to spread in your service to undermining American democracy.
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2022, 05:10:53 PM
We could get our answer soon. If Trump announces his campaign before the Georgia run offs, doesn't help Walker, becomes a distraction etc and fucks up a GA special election again...I think elected republicans will be done with him.Third time to screw up a Georgia run-off is the charm I guess.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2022, 06:01:37 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidEdwards/status/1590751056748720128
Revenge tour time. This is deranged.
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2022, 06:34:27 PM
:heh
Post by: Nintex on November 10, 2022, 06:38:55 PM
The greatest shit poster of all fucking time.
He's going to beat the Republican party into submission again. :lol
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2022, 06:45:08 PM
Post by: chronovore on November 10, 2022, 07:35:05 PM
The blue wave is lifting the marketQuoteDow surges 1,000 points in biggest rally since 2020 after a lighter-than-expected inflation report
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/09/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html
Joe Biden really is the messiah
Are you guys ready for Biden to end up as the most effective US president since LBJ. :lol
Apparently an uptick after midterms is a historically consistent behavior, no matter the results.
Post by: james on November 10, 2022, 07:37:29 PM
Trump caught on truth admitting to election fraud
https://mobile.twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1590850314768375809
Post by: Nintex on November 10, 2022, 07:37:47 PM
Trump vs. DeSantis
5 hour debate
Joe Rogan moderates
Post by: james on November 10, 2022, 08:45:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer/status/1590876934665539584
Post by: james on November 10, 2022, 08:50:38 PM
It's raozr tight, every seat counts, life or dead.
Chuy: I quit bye
https://twitter.com/Suntimes/status/1590695229597720576
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2022, 11:29:34 PM
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2022, 11:54:53 PM
https://twitter.com/jasonselvig/status/1590466681624621056
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1590925908671492096
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2022, 01:24:56 AM
https://twitter.com/aliy_nas/status/1590807955321982976
https://twitter.com/alexbruesewitz/status/1590855231134654465
https://twitter.com/GOPJosh20/status/1590858504163581953
https://twitter.com/DarkBrandon2020/status/1590751868959215616
https://twitter.com/zeus_doc/status/1590824216047529985
DeSimp :lol
Post by: Nintex on November 11, 2022, 02:59:26 AM
:rejoice
https://twitter.com/mikepompeo/status/1590862864281395202 (https://twitter.com/mikepompeo/status/1590862864281395202)
Fat Mike who spied on your sisters and kids ("Sicko!") with his corrupt CIA is acting tough now but wasn't so tough when he talked to Ali from the Taliban. He should've gotten in shape years ago. Losing weight won't make you a winner Mike!
Post by: Occam on November 11, 2022, 08:20:34 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/midterms-trump-desantis-dobbs-republicans/672068/
While some of the most awful candidates lost, all of them initially won their primaries, made possible by the MAGA base. And after all, 200 election deniers did win their races, and they were elected with the help of MAGAts.
Post by: therealdeal on November 11, 2022, 09:01:17 AM
Post by: BIONIC on November 11, 2022, 11:57:34 AM
What if MAGA actually led to a viable third party, that’d be something
:sicko
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on November 11, 2022, 11:59:23 AM
What if MAGA actually led to a viable third party, that’d be something
Are you saying that Bernie should run?
Post by: Nintex on November 11, 2022, 12:28:22 PM
Trump's just going after his primary challengers one by one :lol
I feel like he also ups the ante because of all the copy cats out there like DeSantis even Democrats started to do Trumpian like stadium rallies.
Post by: Occam on November 11, 2022, 01:21:52 PM
Hilarious. So thanks to the non-corrupted court of NY, Democrats were not allowed to get away with gerrymandering, while the Republican-stacked courts elsewhere did not enforce their rulings, allowing the Republicans to get away with it.So if the Republicans take the House, it will in part have been made possible by gerrymandering (which of course is an incorrect premise, as we have learned here).Hey, if lying to yourself and others is how you cope with constantly being an idiot in public I'm not going to stop you, I just don't want others to be deceived by the disinformation you like to spread in your service to undermining American democracy.
I quoted a New York Times article. The link is in my post.
Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2022, 03:10:11 PM
Im hearing that tomorrow is a holiday so theyre not working until Monday?
Lol I don't keep track of these things but I guess you're really not American :american
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2022, 04:10:19 PM
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2022, 04:22:52 PM
There's a new article arguing that MAGA/Trump is far from over.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/midterms-trump-desantis-dobbs-republicans/672068/
While some of the most awful candidates lost, all of them initially won their primaries, made possible by the MAGA base. And after all, 200 election deniers did win their races, and they were elected with the help of MAGAts.
They were also elected with the help of Democratic party. For all their hubbub it is politically beneficial for Democrats that MAGA exists. All that wah wah-ing. Nazis! Fascists! And yet they pumped dollar after dollar into MAGA campaigns with the mentally they would be easy to defeat. And this time they were. But what of next time? Because the Democratic Party was so successful in their strategy they won't stop meddling in Republican elections.
So yes, you're correct. MAGA won't go away.
Im hearing that tomorrow is a holiday so theyre not working until Monday?
Lol I don't keep track of these things but I guess you're really not American :american
Do we have four actual Americans in this thread? Me, you, Benji, and PD? LMAO
Post by: james on November 11, 2022, 05:10:18 PM
Im hearing that tomorrow is a holiday so theyre not working until Monday?
Lol I don't keep track of these things but I guess you're really not American :american
I work a real job, we dont get pretend holidays off
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2022, 05:21:35 PM
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/11/11/texas-democrats-midterm-loss-border-turnout/
Quote
It was an uncorrected mistake from 2020, when Democrats also underperformed — losing almost all the state and congressional seats they believed they could flip. The party’s post-mortem analysis of the election at the time noted they needed to focus more on low-propensity voters instead of highly-engaged voters, who are already likely to participate.
Hinojosa said this year the state party pushed campaigns and county parties to prioritize less engaged voters, but they still focused on likely voters, who they saw as “sure bets.”
“We did not spend enough time trying to get low propensity voters out,” he said. “We know that’s the solution but we have to spend the money to get it done.”
In an early sign of trouble, party leaders noticed during early voting that campaigns and county organizations were having trouble turning out Black voters – traditionally one of the Democrats’ most reliable blocs – in Harris County. Harris makes up nearly 30% of the statewide vote and Democrats often rely on it to balance out Republican votes from more conservative areas of the state.
“We had in Harris County, significant drop in our turnout, African American voters voted at much lower levels than what they voted in 2018,” Hinojosa said.
There was a late effort to mobilize Black voters, with first lady Jill Biden touring predominantly Black churches in Houston the Sunday before the election. And the next day, O’Rourke released a robocall from former President Barack Obama, the country’s first Black president.
O'Rourke's campaign had aimed to win 90% of the Black vote; they got 84%, according to exit polling.
Hinojosa said the county party in Harris County ran strong “Get out the vote efforts” but they were not enough.
KEK
I find it funny how it .mentions Jill Biden toured black churches. My mom told me Jill visited my aunt's church and I just shook my head.
Post by: Potato on November 11, 2022, 05:23:24 PM
The rest of us are here because we just need you clowns to elect someone who will respect the laws of your own country and conform to some pretty basic international standards of behaviour. We don't care if it's DeSantis or Biden or whoever else, just not a raving lunatic like Trump. If you can do that, most of us will happily exit the thread and have little interest in American politics.There's a new article arguing that MAGA/Trump is far from over.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/midterms-trump-desantis-dobbs-republicans/672068/
While some of the most awful candidates lost, all of them initially won their primaries, made possible by the MAGA base. And after all, 200 election deniers did win their races, and they were elected with the help of MAGAts.
They were also elected with the help of Democratic party. For all their hubbub it is politically beneficial for Democrats that MAGA exists. All that wah wah-ing. Nazis! Fascists! And yet they pumped dollar after dollar into MAGA campaigns with the mentally they would be easy to defeat. And this time they were. But what of next time? Because the Democratic Party was so successful in their strategy they won't stop meddling in Republican elections.
So yes, you're correct. MAGA won't go away.Im hearing that tomorrow is a holiday so theyre not working until Monday?
Lol I don't keep track of these things but I guess you're really not American :american
Do we have four actual Americans in this thread? Me, you, Benji, and PD? LMAO
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2022, 05:25:10 PM
The rest of us are here because we just need you clowns to elect someone who will respect the laws of your own country and conform to some pretty basic international standards of behaviour. We don't care if it's DeSantis or Biden or whoever else, just not a raving lunatic like Trump. If you can do that, most of us will happily exit the thread and have little interest in American politics.There's a new article arguing that MAGA/Trump is far from over.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/midterms-trump-desantis-dobbs-republicans/672068/
While some of the most awful candidates lost, all of them initially won their primaries, made possible by the MAGA base. And after all, 200 election deniers did win their races, and they were elected with the help of MAGAts.
They were also elected with the help of Democratic party. For all their hubbub it is politically beneficial for Democrats that MAGA exists. All that wah wah-ing. Nazis! Fascists! And yet they pumped dollar after dollar into MAGA campaigns with the mentally they would be easy to defeat. And this time they were. But what of next time? Because the Democratic Party was so successful in their strategy they won't stop meddling in Republican elections.
So yes, you're correct. MAGA won't go away.Im hearing that tomorrow is a holiday so theyre not working until Monday?
Lol I don't keep track of these things but I guess you're really not American :american
Do we have four actual Americans in this thread? Me, you, Benji, and PD? LMAO
Biden was elected though.
Post by: Potato on November 11, 2022, 05:29:55 PM
Yes, but collectively you're still flirting with re-electing Trump.The rest of us are here because we just need you clowns to elect someone who will respect the laws of your own country and conform to some pretty basic international standards of behaviour. We don't care if it's DeSantis or Biden or whoever else, just not a raving lunatic like Trump. If you can do that, most of us will happily exit the thread and have little interest in American politics.There's a new article arguing that MAGA/Trump is far from over.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/midterms-trump-desantis-dobbs-republicans/672068/
While some of the most awful candidates lost, all of them initially won their primaries, made possible by the MAGA base. And after all, 200 election deniers did win their races, and they were elected with the help of MAGAts.
They were also elected with the help of Democratic party. For all their hubbub it is politically beneficial for Democrats that MAGA exists. All that wah wah-ing. Nazis! Fascists! And yet they pumped dollar after dollar into MAGA campaigns with the mentally they would be easy to defeat. And this time they were. But what of next time? Because the Democratic Party was so successful in their strategy they won't stop meddling in Republican elections.
So yes, you're correct. MAGA won't go away.Im hearing that tomorrow is a holiday so theyre not working until Monday?
Lol I don't keep track of these things but I guess you're really not American :american
Do we have four actual Americans in this thread? Me, you, Benji, and PD? LMAO
Biden was elected though.
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2022, 05:34:28 PM
At this point Trump might get third party votes in Presidential elections banned :dead
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2022, 05:36:01 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/top-border-official-forced-out-amid-ongoing-migrant-crisis/
Post by: Potato on November 11, 2022, 05:43:59 PM
We are? Not anymore, thank God. :rejoiceIf you think Trump is finished, you've got a massive reality check coming. Either Trump gets the nomination or he tears the Republican Party apart. Let's just hope the Democrats are smart enough to keep well away from Hilary. The world would probably prefer Trump to this evil bitch:
At this point Trump might get third party votes in Presidential elections banned :dead
https://youtu.be/mlz3-OzcExI
Post by: james on November 11, 2022, 05:48:48 PM
Ah yes, Veterans Day. The Pretend holiday.
We dont celebrate the people who illegally invaded Iraq or committed war crimes in Vietnam in these parts
:bolo
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2022, 05:58:21 PM
I quoted a New York Times article. The link is in my post.You find any of those Republicans who are elected without winning the election yet?
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2022, 05:59:27 PM
The rest of us are here because we just need you clowns to elect someone who will respect the laws of your own country and conform to some pretty basic international standards of behaviour. We don't care if it's DeSantis or Biden or whoever else, just not a raving lunatic like Trump. If you can do that, most of us will happily exit the thread and have little interest in American politics.Nobody can meet impossible standards, breh.
Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2022, 06:41:48 PM
Im hearing that tomorrow is a holiday so theyre not working until Monday?
Lol I don't keep track of these things but I guess you're really not American :american
I work a real job, we dont get pretend holidays off
I work 7 days a week and my last day off was September 7th. :lol I didn't get today off either.
Post by: Nintex on November 11, 2022, 08:32:07 PM
Thanks to the bois for making this possible
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Post by: Himu on November 11, 2022, 08:55:26 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2022, 08:59:39 PM
dems might hold the House :lol
I won't call it but there's a clear path. Insanity.
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2022, 09:01:07 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2022, 09:05:48 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2022, 10:13:43 PM
Next batch of NV mail ballots will be reported at 11PM EST. Presumably the democrat will take the lead and be on the path to winning. Which gets dems to 50.
Also
https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer/status/1591266806421155841
Hobbs (dem) might end up beating the MAGA chick whew, for governor.
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2022, 10:32:59 PM
https://twitter.com/KariLakeWarRoom/status/1590780246294683650
https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1591151554601816064
https://twitter.com/KariLakeWarRoom/status/1591149369331703810
https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1591219313603903488
https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1591239016178802689
her talking head setup looks weird to me, can't trust her because of this
https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1590937479598968833
https://twitter.com/JoeTalkShow/status/1590920181609529344
https://twitter.com/JoeTalkShow/status/1590920181609529344
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Post by: Himu on November 11, 2022, 10:33:16 PM
With a slim majority, crazies like AOC have no power. Even better, GOP crazies like MTG have even less power and sway. No GOP majority, no MTG setting agenda and embarrassing us. With such a slim margin, the Democratic agenda (which has been overwhelmingly progressive) continues to have its wings cut. In 2024 I and other Republicans can point to the Dems not accomplishing much with such a slim lead. If there is a GOP civil war as surmised, a deadlocked Congress means GOP are less likely to show those fights in policy publicly.
More I think about it, the more long-term gains that has me drooling. In 1978 GOP didn't get many seats against Carter. In 1980, we all know what happened.
*rubs hands*
I hope this leads to the DeSantis Revolution!
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2022, 10:38:51 PM
https://twitter.com/WendyRogersAZ/status/1590534956287393793
https://twitter.com/WendyRogersAZ/status/1590911194818568192
https://twitter.com/WendyRogersAZ/status/1591173855418421248
https://twitter.com/WendyRogersAZ/status/1591226656320290816
Post by: Nintex on November 12, 2022, 07:55:01 AM
:hmm "It's just the mail-in ballots that are left Mr. President, I think we can call the Nevada and Arizona races in an hour or so."
:biden "Take your time to count them Jack, no rush"
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 12, 2022, 08:51:38 AM
Oh, got to check on my Arizona favorite:
https://twitter.com/WendyRogersAZ/status/1590534956287393793
https://twitter.com/WendyRogersAZ/status/1590911194818568192
https://twitter.com/WendyRogersAZ/status/1591173855418421248
https://twitter.com/WendyRogersAZ/status/1591226656320290816
None of this seems mental at all :biden
Post by: Nintex on November 12, 2022, 12:41:08 PM
Post by: Nintex on November 12, 2022, 12:55:41 PM
Please don't ever dismiss the tears of an American Veteran jokingly, even in irony. When I was a sixth grade and was learning to play my instrument in band, we learned to play Taps. Some kids played it as a joke, like what you see in cartoons. My band teacher, one of the coolest teachers I've ever had, screamed at the absolute disrespect shown to a song played at the dirges and funerals of the departed. I never saw him so mad before or after. It was a good lesson then and a good lesson now. Even if you're a full fledged adult, it's not cool to play with. Respect or don't speak. End of.
Quote from: Himu
Ah yes, Veterans Day. The Pretend holiday.
:trumps
Post by: Himu on November 12, 2022, 01:51:06 PM
Please don't ever dismiss the tears of an American Veteran jokingly, even in irony. When I was a sixth grade and was learning to play my instrument in band, we learned to play Taps. Some kids played it as a joke, like what you see in cartoons. My band teacher, one of the coolest teachers I've ever had, screamed at the absolute disrespect shown to a song played at the dirges and funerals of the departed. I never saw him so mad before or after. It was a good lesson then and a good lesson now. Even if you're a full fledged adult, it's not cool to play with. Respect or don't speak. End of.Quote from: HimuAh yes, Veterans Day. The Pretend holiday.
:trumps
Are you dumb?
Im hearing that tomorrow is a holiday so theyre not working until Monday?
Lol I don't keep track of these things but I guess you're really not American :american
I work a real job, we dont get pretend holidays off
(https://i.imgur.com/ZyAsZFi.gif)
Post by: Himu on November 12, 2022, 05:14:50 PM
Hahahahaha good luck dealing with that dumb biiiiiiiiatch
Post by: Nintex on November 12, 2022, 07:02:09 PM
:trumps
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2022, 07:20:28 PM
Post by: Himu on November 12, 2022, 07:37:10 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1591572930575495169
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1591587718202806272
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2022, 08:43:37 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1591599908037226497
Which is surprising to me because I thought the democrat was making a massive mistake by refusing to debate Lake; her reasoning was that Lake was such an anti-democracy extremist that she wasn't worth engaging. I thought that was terrible reasoning, and poll after poll showed Lake up 2-3%. It's looking like the strategy didn't hurt at all.
Lake also disrespected John McCain in the final weeks of the campaign, which seemingly helped doom her.
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2022, 08:56:59 PM
Which is surprising to me because I thought the democrat was making a massive mistake by refusing to debate Lake; her reasoning was that Lake was such an anti-democracy extremist that she wasn't worth engaging. I thought that was terrible reasoning, and poll after poll showed Lake up 2-3%. It's looking like the strategy didn't hurt at all.She also skipped her primary debate. I'm not sure it's the worst decision for a sitting Secretary of State who is already publicly visible actually. Look at ours, she just did better than the others at the top of the D ticket and basically only ran an ad naming herself and how she put more services online. Our Secretary of States are always considered to be doing a good job and getting re-elected and that's pretty normal in other states, wave elections are the main reason they ever seem to lose.
You also have to consider in this case, Lake wanted the debate so she could spend it attacking Hobbs personally for stealing the 2020 election as Secretary of State. No matter what else happened, even a part of the debate on abortion say, would have been overshadowed by Lake going after her for the 2020 election. A different candidate probably would have debated but this specific one had to weigh something others wouldn't have had to.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2022, 09:26:09 PM
Which is surprising to me because I thought the democrat was making a massive mistake by refusing to debate Lake; her reasoning was that Lake was such an anti-democracy extremist that she wasn't worth engaging. I thought that was terrible reasoning, and poll after poll showed Lake up 2-3%. It's looking like the strategy didn't hurt at all.She also skipped her primary debate. I'm not sure it's the worst decision for a sitting Secretary of State who is already publicly visible actually. Look at ours, she just did better than the others at the top of the D ticket and basically only ran an ad naming herself and how she put more services online. Our Secretary of States are always considered to be doing a good job and getting re-elected and that's pretty normal in other states, wave elections are the main reason they ever seem to lose.
You also have to consider in this case, Lake wanted the debate so she could spend it attacking Hobbs personally for stealing the 2020 election as Secretary of State. No matter what else happened, even a part of the debate on abortion say, would have been overshadowed by Lake going after her for the 2020 election. A different candidate probably would have debated but this specific one had to weigh something others wouldn't have had to.
Great point, didn't consider this.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2022, 09:27:04 PM
Maybe freaking out over trans people, CRT, Trump delusions, etc wasn't a good idea huh.
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2022, 10:05:19 PM
There's also how Lake could make demands of how Hobbs conducts herself in this election and put her on the spot. Lake has been retweeting people showing a picture of Hobbs, as Secretary of State, doing her job and implying she's up to something nefarious with the ballots because why else would she be in these locations? Okay, sure she's Secretary of State but as a candidate she clearly shouldn't be acting as Secretary of State if it benefits her. Same kind of innuendo Abrams has used against Kemp for four years. In a single debate on TV it'd be hard for Hobbs to refuse to accept anything Lake demands that could sound reasonable to people who have no idea what Hobbs may or may not have to actually do or even can do.
Normally, I'm also inclined towards debates but I think this, like some of Biden's choices in 2020, was a reasonable maneuver out of a trap even if Hobbs winds up losing.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2022, 12:36:13 AM
Post by: Nintex on November 13, 2022, 07:02:17 AM
I'm also seeing some of the brains of the GOP operation argue that it is worthless to contest the 'cheating' and they should instead get in on it by also exploiting mail-in ballots.
Which they still think aren't legit votes but as long as the Democrats use that tactic they might as well too.
They seem to be angry about different things.
Most of all Mitch for not backing MAGA candidates and Trump for replacing more competitive candidates with his own people and raking in all the donations.
They're also very angry at the pollsters (who've gone silent) that reported numbers most favorable to the GOP to seemingly gain Trump's favor and get hired by the MAGA candidates.
This also made them realize that maybe Trump isn't 5 or 7 points ahead of Joe Biden as those polls show.
Another example
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144 (https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144)
Post by: Tasty on November 13, 2022, 10:49:39 AM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1591616070921879552
Maybe freaking out over trans people, CRT, Trump delusions, etc wasn't a good idea huh.
"It's the economy, stupid."
Post by: Himu on November 13, 2022, 11:29:47 AM
That's not the problem. The problem is the extremism of Trump candidates denying things like the election, and Roe dying (which is an economic issue). Abortion and the election results were so important people picked Democrats. This doesn't mean they don't care about CRT or trans or you might find yourself in a similar situation where GOP are now.
Also the biggest GOP concerns this cycle was crime and inflation, not CRT or trans, these are two things you've continuously denied are problems.
Post by: Lonewulfeus on November 13, 2022, 11:45:43 AM
To the surprise of everyone no Trumpian candidate has so far challenged the outcome of their race in any meaningful way.
I'm also seeing some of the brains of the GOP operation argue that it is worthless to contest the 'cheating' and they should instead get in on it by also exploiting mail-in ballots.
Which they still think aren't legit votes but as long as the Democrats use that tactic they might as well too.
They seem to be angry about different things.
Most of all Mitch for not backing MAGA candidates and Trump for replacing more competitive candidates with his own people and raking in all the donations.
They're also very angry at the pollsters (who've gone silent) that reported numbers most favorable to the GOP to seemingly gain Trump's favor and get hired by the MAGA candidates.
This also made them realize that maybe Trump isn't 5 or 7 points ahead of Joe Biden as those polls show.
Another example
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144 (https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144)
That all actually sounds pretty good, too bad those democrats only exist in his head instead of reality.
Post by: Nintex on November 13, 2022, 01:05:46 PM
At this point Dave Chapelle could run in the Republican primary and probably win. :yeshrug
Post by: james on November 13, 2022, 01:11:41 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/BigoBarnett/status/1591805482905309184
Post by: Nintex on November 13, 2022, 02:17:43 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 13, 2022, 02:39:36 PM
To the surprise of everyone no Trumpian candidate has so far challenged the outcome of their race in any meaningful way.
I'm also seeing some of the brains of the GOP operation argue that it is worthless to contest the 'cheating' and they should instead get in on it by also exploiting mail-in ballots.
Which they still think aren't legit votes but as long as the Democrats use that tactic they might as well too.
They seem to be angry about different things.
Most of all Mitch for not backing MAGA candidates and Trump for replacing more competitive candidates with his own people and raking in all the donations.
They're also very angry at the pollsters (who've gone silent) that reported numbers most favorable to the GOP to seemingly gain Trump's favor and get hired by the MAGA candidates.
This also made them realize that maybe Trump isn't 5 or 7 points ahead of Joe Biden as those polls show.
Another example
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144 (https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144)
That all actually sounds pretty good, too bad those democrats only exist in his head instead of reality.
doesn't he live in thailand or some shit :girlaff
Post by: Lonewulfeus on November 13, 2022, 02:50:48 PM
To the surprise of everyone no Trumpian candidate has so far challenged the outcome of their race in any meaningful way.
I'm also seeing some of the brains of the GOP operation argue that it is worthless to contest the 'cheating' and they should instead get in on it by also exploiting mail-in ballots.
Which they still think aren't legit votes but as long as the Democrats use that tactic they might as well too.
They seem to be angry about different things.
Most of all Mitch for not backing MAGA candidates and Trump for replacing more competitive candidates with his own people and raking in all the donations.
They're also very angry at the pollsters (who've gone silent) that reported numbers most favorable to the GOP to seemingly gain Trump's favor and get hired by the MAGA candidates.
This also made them realize that maybe Trump isn't 5 or 7 points ahead of Joe Biden as those polls show.
Another example
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144 (https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144)
That all actually sounds pretty good, too bad those democrats only exist in his head instead of reality.
doesn't he live in thailand or some shit :girlaff
Yea Malaysia, he’s twitters right wing version of Excelsiorlef
Post by: Himu on November 13, 2022, 02:54:49 PM
Dems lose a seat because a progressive socialist primaries a moderate. COPE.
Post by: Nintex on November 13, 2022, 03:06:22 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 13, 2022, 03:11:06 PM
To the surprise of everyone no Trumpian candidate has so far challenged the outcome of their race in any meaningful way.
I'm also seeing some of the brains of the GOP operation argue that it is worthless to contest the 'cheating' and they should instead get in on it by also exploiting mail-in ballots.
Which they still think aren't legit votes but as long as the Democrats use that tactic they might as well too.
They seem to be angry about different things.
Most of all Mitch for not backing MAGA candidates and Trump for replacing more competitive candidates with his own people and raking in all the donations.
They're also very angry at the pollsters (who've gone silent) that reported numbers most favorable to the GOP to seemingly gain Trump's favor and get hired by the MAGA candidates.
This also made them realize that maybe Trump isn't 5 or 7 points ahead of Joe Biden as those polls show.
Another example
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144 (https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144)
That all actually sounds pretty good, too bad those democrats only exist in his head instead of reality.
doesn't he live in thailand or some shit :girlaff
Yea Malaysia, he’s twitters right wing version of Excelsiorlef
he's a pathetic grifter, i remember when he was big hitter in the sjw scene during gamergate :heh
Post by: Himu on November 13, 2022, 04:21:49 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-intends-to-launch-presidential-campaign-on-tuesday-despite-pressure-allies/
Quote
Trump intends to launch 2024 presidential campaign Tuesday despite pressure from allies to wait, sources say
Former President Donald Trump intends to launch his 2024 presidential campaign on Tuesday, not an exploratory committee or anything less, sources close to Trump say.
The former president, who has said he'll make a "big" announcement Tuesday night, has been calling around and telling associates of his current plan. A senior adviser told CBS News that, in Trump's mind, it would look weak if he didn't launch his campaign and instead announced an exploratory committee.
Trump endorsed a number of candidates in the midterm elections and many of the Senate and gubernatorial candidates he backed lost their races. A senior source close to him told CBS News that Trump has been privately infuriated over the results of the midterm elections, a report that the former president denies.
"For those many people that are being fed the fake narrative from the corrupt media that I am Angry about the Midterms, don't believe it," he posted Thursday on social media site Truth Social. "I am not at all angry, did a great job (I wasn't the one running!), and am very busy looking into the future. Remember, I am a 'Stable Genius.'"
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a potential 2024 rival whom Trump has jabbed on Truth Social and in rallies in recent days, will be addressing a closed-door Republican Governors Association meeting in Orlando with donors at the same time as Trump's Tuesday announcement.
It's a dark time in Trump's inner circle, as several long-time friends, donors and aides of the former president have described to CBS News in the last 24 hours. Many of them say Trump is listening to very few people, isolated, and mean-spirited about his potential rivals. That sentiment materialized Friday in a social media post directed at Republican Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin, another potential 2024 contender. Several of those Trump allies say they're tired of his rants, and are avoiding him.
"I have never seen him more irresponsible and chaotic than he is today," a veteran Trump adviser who worked on the 2020 campaign told CBS News. "He seems to be in self-destruct mode. It is irresponsible to attack DeSantis and Youngkin, and it's irresponsible to announce any time in the near future but definitely before the Herschel Walker runoff is complete."
Some former Trump advisers, like Jason Miller, have gone on television and urged the former president to not make his announcement before next month's Georgia Senate runoff between Democratic Sen. Raphael Warnock and Republican football star Herschel Walker. Republican Rep. James Comer of Kentucky said in an interview with CBS News Friday he would "prefer" for the president to wait until after the Georgia runoff race.
On Wednesday, CBS News reported that a senior source close to Trump said if he announces a 2024 bid before the runoff race, "I don't see a path forward." That source, who is frustrated over Trump's political missteps, compared the enthusiasm at DeSantis' victory rally, attended by a couple of thousand people, and his 19-point win, to Trump's event at Mar-a-Lago, with 100 of his friends and political consultants, and his high-profile losses. It is clear who American voters want, they said.
"This is a sinking ship," the senior source close to Trump said of the lack of enthusiasm for an emerging Trump 2024 campaign.
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2022, 05:14:57 PM
Another exampleWait until this guy finds out this was the state of things for the last two years.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144 (https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1591628614843654144)
Post by: Himu on November 13, 2022, 05:32:39 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/candace-owens-donald-trump-rude-change-her-mind-about-him-2022-11
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Candace Owens said Trump's rudeness made her realize he's vengeful, paranoid, lacks humility
Candace Owens said on her Daily Wire show that Donald Trump was rude to her.
The conservative firebrand said the experience made her "question him as a person."
Owens said that Trump is "holding onto a vengeful spirit" and appears to lack a vision for 2024.
Candace Owens, speaking on her Daily Wire show after the midterms, said that former President Donald Trump being rude to her made her question for the "first time" what kind of person he is.
Owens, who once referred to Trump as "the savior" of the free world, described how the former president "actually got upset" with her following an interview with him in which he defended COVID-19 vaccines.
After the interview in December 2021, Owens defended him in an Instagram video, saying that people often forget "how old Trump is" and that he comes from a generation who "came from a time before TV, before the internet, before being able to conduct independent research."
The Daily Beast covered it, headlining the story: "Candace Owens: Trump Is Pro-Vax Because He's 'Too Old' to Understand the Internet."
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1591520345630310401
In her monologue on her Daily Wire show this week, Owen's said she was sharing the "personal story" because "it's something that made me for the first time question him as a person."
The conservative firebrand went on to say that Trump twisted a "completely kind and fair interview."
"That is not being a leader, that is not owning things that you did wrong, that is not owning that you misunderstood something about your base," she said. "That's not growing, that's not developing."
Owens said that was the moment she realized he was "not listening" and made her question if he was becoming "too angry."
Owens said that in previous elections, Trump was "having fun," and "the energy, it was electric." However, she said after the 2020 election, he is in "an angry space" and has become paranoid.
She repeated that "he was so rude to me."
Owens said that there are conversations going on behind Trump's back that deserve to go public. She suggested he is "holding onto a vengeful spirit" and questioned if he has a vision for 2024. "It needs to be more than, 'I'm back,'" she said.
Trump is expected to announce a 2024 presidential bid imminently, but The Guardian reported that some advisors and allies are urging him to delay it.
Owens said there's a sense of "trepidation" in Trump, which, she added, was evidenced in him taking a swing at Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis this week. In a flurry of posts on Truth Social on Thursday, Trump called DeSantis an "average Republican governor" and referred to him as "Ron DeSanctimonious."
Trump endorsed more than 330 GOP candidates running for both state and federal offices in this election cycle, but several high-profile candidates lost or badly underperformed in the midterm elections.
Owens said Trump needs to exercise "a little more humility" when he gets something wrong, adding that the midterm results, which saw Democrats maintain control of the Senate, show that Trump and his base are "not sure."
(https://i.imgur.com/FMxRIud.gif)
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2022, 05:55:08 PM
I need to support Daily wire Plus and get a sub.I mean, you don't. There's many better ways to spend your money, like on crack.
Post by: Himu on November 13, 2022, 05:59:12 PM
Post by: Nintex on November 13, 2022, 06:09:37 PM
https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/1591868559260635143 (https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/1591868559260635143)
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2022, 07:05:22 PM
I have reward Matt Walsh for the great What Is A Woman doc.The "interviewing stupid people about their stupid beliefs" genre is one of my favorites and Matt Walsh is a quality Twitter troll but none of that seems like something anyone needs to pay for. Meanwhile, crack...
Post by: BrokenVerses on November 14, 2022, 11:13:59 AM
CANCEL THE COUNT
Post by: Nintex on November 14, 2022, 01:56:41 PM
"Can you believe this Bankman guy? He runs a sex cult and a fake money scam to steal our elections. I remember back in the day one of my famous friends also a big Democrat donor had a sex cult, he had the most beautiful you have ever seen. If I start talking about I'll never hear the end of it from your future first lady but they were 9's and 10's. This guy was a lot in the news recently, you might've heard about him it was so sad and what they did to Ghislaine Maxwell, who was a great friend of mine by the way, just horrible what they did to her, totally unfair. In any case I see the pictures of them in the fake news you know, she's not even a 5. Everything is going to hell folks and then they donate to the Democrats and the money was supposed to go to the Ukraine and this guy Zelensky. These people are sick, sick puppies. And that's why I have to do it, I have to run, I have to save our country from these people."
:trumps
Republicans: :existential
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 14, 2022, 02:30:02 PM
~guy who doesn't know what money laundering is
Post by: Propagandhim on November 14, 2022, 02:42:39 PM
Post by: Tasty on November 14, 2022, 06:55:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvmasW_glUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVCGW5sdn78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJVMoe7OY0
This shit terrifies me way more than Russia etc.
Sub-Benedict Arnold tier traitor scum :pacspit
Literally holding confederate (treason) flags and pretending to be "patriots" :snoop
This also revealed to me how dumb as rocks some people are... pretty eye-opening... I'm sad how easy it seems to be to mislead people.
Post by: Tasty on November 14, 2022, 07:03:21 PM
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For the first time in U.S. history, a Confederate battle flag was displayed inside the Capitol
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Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2022, 07:15:24 PM
Displayed on the floor of the Senate seems a more reasonable claim.
Post by: Tasty on November 14, 2022, 07:24:07 PM
That seems possibly unlikely to me? There's been Confederate statues inside the Capitol. Hell, there might be some right now, I don't actually know every state's submission to the National Statuary Hall.
Displayed on the floor of the Senate seems a more reasonable claim.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/politics/confederate-flag-capitol.html
:idont
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2022, 07:31:41 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/politics/confederate-flag-capitol.htmlThanks actually (not sarcastic), exactly what I meant I was sure the former Confederate states had put Confederate stuff in the Capitol before if only because there were literal Confederates who served in Congress after the war even before Massive Resistance brought back deliberate Southern defiance posturing:
:idont
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The emblem has appeared in the Capitol before.Although I'm not sure the actual flag of Mississippi should necessarily count as an example. :lol
The Mississippi flag, which once featured the Confederate symbol prominently, hung in the Capitol until June 2020, when it was replaced after a vote by the State Legislature to remove the emblem.
Post by: BIONIC on November 14, 2022, 07:32:03 PM
Post by: Potato on November 14, 2022, 10:18:52 PM
Where was Himu on January 6?How many personalities ago is that?
Post by: Uncle on November 14, 2022, 10:49:53 PM
QuoteFor the first time in U.S. history, a Confederate battle flag was displayed inside the Capitol
(http://www.thebore.com/forum/Smileys/default/snoop.png)
I always forget how to do img width thanx
Post by: Uncle on November 14, 2022, 10:50:21 PM
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2022, 11:38:45 PM
Where was Himu on January 6?
Watching it and horrified at the time but went back to fucking your mother. Numb and apathetic to it now but always shudder at how disgusting your mom's vee jay jay smelled. She also had mold underneath her tits.
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2022, 12:02:17 AM
LOL
"They cheated!" It starts.
Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2022, 02:47:25 AM
Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2022, 03:08:21 AM
Red wave!
Post by: Occam on November 15, 2022, 10:22:27 AM
Much to my dismay, you have started to sway from your usual passive-aggressiveness and switched to more directly insulting me lately. Have I (unwittingly) pissed you off so much you felt the need to resort to this? Come on, you are better than this. How about we give this another shot without the pettiness (and this includes me)? Often when we argue I say one thing, and you in turn argue against something I didn't actually say. That's certainly an interesting, albeit somewhat disingenuous strategy. Is the idea behind it to basically tire me out so the debate eventually fizzles? The benjibuster?
Returning to the discussion at hand. I brought up gerrymandering as an example of a flaw in a democratic system. Sure, I wasn't as precise as I could have been (and quoted an example unrelated to the current election), but all I said was basically "gerrymandering makes democracy flawed".
In your next post, you only mentioned the types of elections that aren't affected while you specifically left out the election of the House of Representatives, which is very much influenced by gerrymandering.
Obviously gerrymandered districts only directly affect elections involving districts. Nobody is claiming otherwise. I still am not exactly sure what your position is.
Gerrymandering gives a disproportionate advantage to those who do it while depriving some voters of representation. I prefer proportionate representation, because it means the voice of a potentially large part of the electorate isn't simply ignored. If there is gerrymandering in a winner-takes-all system (like the one used to elect the members of the House of Representatives), under- and overrepresentation gets even worse.
If you had replied to my initial post with "Sure, gerrymandering is bad but the example you used isn't about the type of elections held during mid terms" I would then have said "Yes, I know, I just used it as a general example of how bad the effects of gerrymandering can be" and that would have been the end of it.
Post by: james on November 15, 2022, 10:37:16 AM
Post by: Occam on November 15, 2022, 10:47:53 AM
https://youtu.be/TkU1ob_lHCw
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2022, 01:18:49 PM
:rejoice :uguu
Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2022, 02:51:06 PM
(https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/trump-call-gettyimages-632909938.jpg?w=800&h=448&quality=90)
"I understand Mr. Trump, we'll create a distraction"
(https://phototass1.cdnvideo.ru/width/1200_4ce85301/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20200929/1285303.jpg)
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2022, 03:37:06 PM
Rick Scott challenges Mitch for Senate leadership during GOP lunch.
McCarthy voted leader.
Poland :o
And the Don hasn't announced yet.
Post by: Occam on November 15, 2022, 03:45:28 PM
Allen H. Weisselberg struck a deal with prosecutors to take the stand against the firm that employed him for decades. He is a key witness in the tax-fraud case.
(NYT)
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2022, 04:37:52 PM
Returning to the discussion at hand. I brought up gerrymandering as an example of a flaw in a democratic system. Sure, I wasn't as precise as I could have been (and quoted an example unrelated to the current election), but all I said was basically "gerrymandering makes democracy flawed".No, in my original post I told you that gerrymandering is not the cause of the disconnect between the state-wide vote share and district winner results, this is simply geographic districts. You then and have since continued to post all kinds of crap about gerrymandering. A state sending a delegation overrepresented compared to the state-wide popular vote share is not evidence of gerrymandering. Drawing maps to try and achieve this would probably require gerrymandering not eliminate it. I gave you the Oregon example because you probably cannot draw a map to give it a 3-2 delegation instead of 4-1, especially not one that wouldn't look absurd.
In your next post, you only mentioned the types of elections that aren't affected while you specifically left out the election of the House of Representatives, which is very much influenced by gerrymandering.
Obviously gerrymandered districts only directly affect elections involving districts. Nobody is claiming otherwise. I still am not exactly sure what your position is.
Gerrymandering gives a disproportionate advantage to those who do it while depriving some voters of representation. I prefer proportionate representation, because it means the voice of a potentially large part of the electorate isn't simply ignored. If there is gerrymandering in a winner-takes-all system (like the one used to elect the members of the House of Representatives), under- and overrepresentation gets even worse.
If you had replied to my initial post with "Sure, gerrymandering is bad but the example you used isn't about the type of elections held during mid terms" I would then have said "Yes, I know, I just used it as a general example of how bad the effects of gerrymandering can be" and that would have been the end of it.
Post by: Occam on November 15, 2022, 05:22:35 PM
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2022, 05:58:25 PM
https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/11-14-2022/shutdown-threat-over-irs/
This is the last thing Americans need now, Cruz. Shutdowns hit people's wallets top to bottom and no one has the time or energy for partisan crap. Increase the bumbling geriatrics popularity by all means though, you fool.
Post by: james on November 15, 2022, 06:18:33 PM
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2022, 06:29:19 PM
Smh blaming the greatest politician of our time.
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2022, 06:40:24 PM
Ok, but according to the New York Times, Democratic gerrymandering in New York would have gained the Dems an additional four House seats in this very election if the state's Supreme Court hadn't struck it down. Is that disinformation?Well, yes. The New York Court of Appeals struck down a map the legislature had drawn because it conflicted with a 2014 state constitution change in particular the part where the legislature wasn't supposed to do this rather than approve or reject what the already stacked commission had drawn.
In any case, the reason for the critique is that as is common with partisans you're scraping around the margins for edge cases the media has played up rather than looking at the simple legislative solution that addresses the concerns with this, the Electoral College and actual underrepresentation that has been scientifically proven to bring peace on Earth: enlarging the House for the first time since 1920.
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2022, 06:46:26 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1592570164662665216
Gen z and millennials don't even answer our phones how tf do you get accurate polling lol
Post by: Nintex on November 15, 2022, 07:05:35 PM
Looks like Mcarthy is going under the bus to save Trump :lol
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1592652733827674112 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1592652733827674112)
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1592650833543712769 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1592650833543712769)
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2022, 07:08:27 PM
Nate rated them an A- :hehI would suggest actually reading his tweet.
Post by: james on November 15, 2022, 09:35:27 PM
Back again
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2022, 09:37:39 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2022, 09:41:27 PM
Quote from: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/11/midterm-results-new-york-doesnt-have-a-democratic-party.html
Jay Jacobs, the state party chairman, is now the target of ire from both progressive and moderate Democrats. Several prominent politicians, including City Comptroller Brad Lander and Liz Krueger, one of the highest-ranking state senators, have called for his ouster. All ideological factions crave competence, and Jacobs has not delivered on even this most basic front.
Hochul said last week she is sticking with Jacobs, who was a holdover from the Cuomo years and maintained a close relationship with the disgraced former governor. Political observers in the state don’t expect Jacobs to last deep into 2023 — the holiday season, or shortly after, might be the preferred time to dump him — but the beleaguered party chair is as much a symptom of the New York Democratic debacle as he is its cause. It’s easy enough to understand the anger at Jacobs: He simultaneously chairs the Nassau County Democratic Party, which oversaw enormous losses for the House, state senate, and county level. All the Democratic gains of the Trump era have been erased, and the suburb, just to the east of Queens, is now deep red. Republicans haven’t been this dominant on Long Island in decades.
...
Jacobs has spent much of his time as party chair — he’s held the job in two different instances now — blaming Democratic losses on outspoken progressives. He once compared India Walton, the Black democratic socialist who won the primary for mayor of Buffalo, to David Duke. Even Establishment-aligned operatives have grown tired of Jacobs’s act. In part this is simply because the state party offers very little in the way of organization or assistance, and there’s a growing consensus in Democratic circles that Hochul must move on from Jacobs. The left-wing Working Families Party has stood out because it did undertake a visible get-out-the-vote push to boost its own party and get Hochul re-elected. The contrast between the WFP and Jacobs’s moribund apparatus was telling.
Beyond Jacobs, Democratic machines have atrophied on the county level, particularly in New York City. The Brooklyn Democratic Party, riven by infighting, could barely mobilize as Republicans swept a large stretch of southern Brooklyn. The Queens Democratic Party is hardly more active or better suited to repel Republicans.
Quote from: https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/new-york-democrats-congress/
Many Democrats blame party chair Jay Jacobs, an Andrew Cuomo holdover that Hochul should have replaced. The centrist Jacobs has cozied up to Republicans, spent party money challenging progressive Democrats in primaries, and refused to endorse the progressive Democratic victor, India Walton, in the primary for Buffalo mayor last year. More than 1,000 New York Democratic leaders, mostly on the left, have demanded that Hochul fire Jacobs; she insists she will not.
“I know that there are lots of people that think I’m the worst person in the world,” Jacobs said after the dimensions of the party’s losses were becoming clear. “But the truth is I’m probably only in third or fourth place.” He might be right; he has competition.
Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chair Sean Patrick Maloney has maybe come in for the worst criticism—including this piece by our own Alexis Grenell, and this one by Slate’s Alexander Sammon. Maloney chased popular first-term progressive Mondaire Jones out of his own district—to be fair, redistricting put both of them in the same district, but Jones had represented most of it. Instead of challenging the man who controlled the party’s coffers in a primary, Jones decamped to a Brooklyn/Lower Manhattan district where he didn’t live, and came in third.
But you know who’s rarely mentioned as a Democrat partly to blame for the disaster? Former representative Tom Suozzi, who gave up his Long Island seat to run a lurid, sexist campaign against Hochul, depicting her as soft on crime as well as not quite up to the job. Suozzi lost that race, badly, and Democrats lost his House seat last week. He almost single-handedly validated the “New York is a hellhole of crime” attack that Zeldin went on to use against Hochul. It didn’t work on Hochul statewide, but it did work on Long Island and in Rockland County, where the House Democrats lost seats they probably could have won. Similar bogus crime attacks fell short in Michigan, California, and Pennsylvania, but somehow found their mark in the Empire State.
Someone who deserves blame too is New York’s Democratic mayor, the night-clubbing, crypto-boosting, ethics-rules-challenging Eric Adams. New York’s second Black mayor likewise took office blaming fellow Democrats for what did feel, for a while, like a scary post-pandemic wave of crime and disorder. He called on Democrats to scrap a bail reform law that made it easier for certain low-income nonviolent defendants to go home without onerous bail requirements; wealthier defendants were able to pay to go free before their trials. He criticized a fellow Black Democrat, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, before he’d effectively taken control of his office, creating the storyline that progressive bail reform plus a justice-minded district attorney made New York City a hellscape.
Then he authored an op-ed in USA Today Monday blaming Democrats for “ignoring [working people] who are deeply concerned about the economy, crime and inflation.” You can’t say Adams lacks chutzpah.
Speaking of chutzpah, all of those men are blaming New York progressives for the lost House seats, for pulling the party too far to the left. The truth is, the party lost seats in what were the hotbeds of white backlash in the 1960s, Long Island and Rockland County. (I know. I grew up in Nassau County.) They were afraid of dark Gotham—dark in many senses of the word. Social change and a diversifying population left more of them open to Democrats over the years. Now Democratic leaders like Adams and Suozzi have stoked that fear of dark Gotham again. Good work, guys. Your left-bashing won’t work. There’s too much evidence of your incompetence and fealty to the party’s centrist, moneyed donors for serious-minded people to believe your blame game.
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2022, 09:45:48 PM
GET FUCKED TRUMP. TEAM DESANTIS
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2022, 09:55:07 PM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1592680752361394178
Elsewhere:
https://twitter.com/pebonilla/status/1592527422896984069
Post by: Propagandhim on November 15, 2022, 10:10:41 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2022, 10:25:42 PM
This fucker is so boring. Hasn't the "We're getting killed by X country. We're doing so badly. We're the laughing stock" loser victim mentality stuff worn off? This is appealing to voters?Reunion tours always play the hits.
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2022, 10:36:05 PM
Himu might be getting his way in New York, more progressives rather than right-wing losers like Hochul and Adams:Quote from: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/11/midterm-results-new-york-doesnt-have-a-democratic-party.htmlJay Jacobs, the state party chairman, is now the target of ire from both progressive and moderate Democrats. Several prominent politicians, including City Comptroller Brad Lander and Liz Krueger, one of the highest-ranking state senators, have called for his ouster. All ideological factions crave competence, and Jacobs has not delivered on even this most basic front.
Hochul said last week she is sticking with Jacobs, who was a holdover from the Cuomo years and maintained a close relationship with the disgraced former governor. Political observers in the state don’t expect Jacobs to last deep into 2023 — the holiday season, or shortly after, might be the preferred time to dump him — but the beleaguered party chair is as much a symptom of the New York Democratic debacle as he is its cause. It’s easy enough to understand the anger at Jacobs: He simultaneously chairs the Nassau County Democratic Party, which oversaw enormous losses for the House, state senate, and county level. All the Democratic gains of the Trump era have been erased, and the suburb, just to the east of Queens, is now deep red. Republicans haven’t been this dominant on Long Island in decades.
...
Jacobs has spent much of his time as party chair — he’s held the job in two different instances now — blaming Democratic losses on outspoken progressives. He once compared India Walton, the Black democratic socialist who won the primary for mayor of Buffalo, to David Duke. Even Establishment-aligned operatives have grown tired of Jacobs’s act. In part this is simply because the state party offers very little in the way of organization or assistance, and there’s a growing consensus in Democratic circles that Hochul must move on from Jacobs. The left-wing Working Families Party has stood out because it did undertake a visible get-out-the-vote push to boost its own party and get Hochul re-elected. The contrast between the WFP and Jacobs’s moribund apparatus was telling.
Beyond Jacobs, Democratic machines have atrophied on the county level, particularly in New York City. The Brooklyn Democratic Party, riven by infighting, could barely mobilize as Republicans swept a large stretch of southern Brooklyn. The Queens Democratic Party is hardly more active or better suited to repel Republicans.Quote from: https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/new-york-democrats-congress/Many Democrats blame party chair Jay Jacobs, an Andrew Cuomo holdover that Hochul should have replaced. The centrist Jacobs has cozied up to Republicans, spent party money challenging progressive Democrats in primaries, and refused to endorse the progressive Democratic victor, India Walton, in the primary for Buffalo mayor last year. More than 1,000 New York Democratic leaders, mostly on the left, have demanded that Hochul fire Jacobs; she insists she will not.
“I know that there are lots of people that think I’m the worst person in the world,” Jacobs said after the dimensions of the party’s losses were becoming clear. “But the truth is I’m probably only in third or fourth place.” He might be right; he has competition.
Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chair Sean Patrick Maloney has maybe come in for the worst criticism—including this piece by our own Alexis Grenell, and this one by Slate’s Alexander Sammon. Maloney chased popular first-term progressive Mondaire Jones out of his own district—to be fair, redistricting put both of them in the same district, but Jones had represented most of it. Instead of challenging the man who controlled the party’s coffers in a primary, Jones decamped to a Brooklyn/Lower Manhattan district where he didn’t live, and came in third.
But you know who’s rarely mentioned as a Democrat partly to blame for the disaster? Former representative Tom Suozzi, who gave up his Long Island seat to run a lurid, sexist campaign against Hochul, depicting her as soft on crime as well as not quite up to the job. Suozzi lost that race, badly, and Democrats lost his House seat last week. He almost single-handedly validated the “New York is a hellhole of crime” attack that Zeldin went on to use against Hochul. It didn’t work on Hochul statewide, but it did work on Long Island and in Rockland County, where the House Democrats lost seats they probably could have won. Similar bogus crime attacks fell short in Michigan, California, and Pennsylvania, but somehow found their mark in the Empire State.
Someone who deserves blame too is New York’s Democratic mayor, the night-clubbing, crypto-boosting, ethics-rules-challenging Eric Adams. New York’s second Black mayor likewise took office blaming fellow Democrats for what did feel, for a while, like a scary post-pandemic wave of crime and disorder. He called on Democrats to scrap a bail reform law that made it easier for certain low-income nonviolent defendants to go home without onerous bail requirements; wealthier defendants were able to pay to go free before their trials. He criticized a fellow Black Democrat, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, before he’d effectively taken control of his office, creating the storyline that progressive bail reform plus a justice-minded district attorney made New York City a hellscape.
Then he authored an op-ed in USA Today Monday blaming Democrats for “ignoring [working people] who are deeply concerned about the economy, crime and inflation.” You can’t say Adams lacks chutzpah.
Speaking of chutzpah, all of those men are blaming New York progressives for the lost House seats, for pulling the party too far to the left. The truth is, the party lost seats in what were the hotbeds of white backlash in the 1960s, Long Island and Rockland County. (I know. I grew up in Nassau County.) They were afraid of dark Gotham—dark in many senses of the word. Social change and a diversifying population left more of them open to Democrats over the years. Now Democratic leaders like Adams and Suozzi have stoked that fear of dark Gotham again. Good work, guys. Your left-bashing won’t work. There’s too much evidence of your incompetence and fealty to the party’s centrist, moneyed donors for serious-minded people to believe your blame game.
This article is infuriating.
Not sticking to the facts you filthy leftist media puppet (not you, Benji, but the writer) is precisely why I dropped out of Graduate School for Journalism.
Claims:
1. imaginary crime. Compares places like Michigan to Empire state conveniently forgetting NYC's:
a. population density
b. foot traffic
c. lack of car ownership
d. reliance on public transportation
Meanwhile, in Reality Land:
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Since the beginning of the pandemic, New York City hate crimes have been on a steady rise. Already this year, they are up nearly 16% year to date over 2021, according to NYPD data.
In an effort to stop the kind of attacks that have left minority communities across the city on edge, the city’s most recent budget invests a record $1.7 million in the Manhattan district attorney’s Hate Crimes Unit.
Officials say the money is necessary to support outreach and to hire staff to do the extensive research required to prosecute hate crimes cases.
The hate crimes docket is at an all-time high for the DA’s office, at 99 cases, according to officials. That number reflects the current number of open cases, meaning it includes cases initiated this year or in a previous year.
“We’re in a historic moment and we want to meet the need that we're seeing certainly for this office,” Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said in an interview.
Although hate crimes have increased citywide over the past two years, Manhattan has seen some of the highest numbers of hate crimes citywide.
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2022/08/24/city-provides--historic--funding-for-manhattan-d-a--hate-crimes-unit
Yeah, things are good in NYC.
So much so, they've had to include Hate Crime warnings in the subway platforms since this massive uptick.
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LOWER MANHATTAN, New York (WABC) -- The crime statistics for New York City are out, and they're staggering, with overall crime up nearly 60% compared to this time last year.
Nicole Robinson waited for her uptown train Thursday night, 16 feet from the edge of the platform. And she wasn't alone.
"I don't feel safe anymore. I really don't feel safe. I would rather take the bus for two hours, versus taking the train for 45 minutes," subway rider Nicole Robinson said.
Despite the NYPD's stepped-up enforcement, many New Yorkers are still deeply worried about crime, both in the subways and on the streets.
Last month, overall crime in New York went up 59% over the same period in 2021.
https://abc7ny.com/new-york-city-crime-statistics-subway/11618737/
Yeah, I guess it's in New Yorkers imagination that crime isn't up. It's in my former roommates imagination that they have created self defense classes to empower themselves in a time of growing violence against Asian women. Complete imagination.
2. That the red wave in New York is isolated to Nassau and Rockland Counties.
Yet in the very article that was written, the author even admits that Republicans have completely dominated South Brooklyn. You can see this spread westward towards Sunset Park and Bay Ridge, beyond the confines of Italian-American and Russian-American strangleholds like Brighton Beach, Coney Island, Benson Hurst, Sheepshead Bay, and Midwood of south BK into full on Mexican and Asian American territory of western BK.
The author claims racism and a fear of a "Dark Gotham" as if people's concerns are entirely imaginary and inherently racist.
Also note that this outright falsehood of a quote specifically ignores that the entire state is facing a red shift.
Claim of WACISM because of the red shift is utterly preposterous.
3. Ignores the impact of draconian New York Covid policies.
I don't feel like I need to expand upon this but NY Democrats are fascists.
I looked up the author and he strikes me as the type has his butt hole stretched by his Doorman in his UWS apartment overlooking Central Park. I looked up his accolades and his alma mater is NYU and Stonybrook. Given the views expressed I'm surprised there isn't a Columbia in there. Probably has a car too and doesn't take the subway or else, he'd know what's up.
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2022, 10:43:42 PM
The author claims racism and a fear of a "Dark Gotham" as if people's concerns are entirely imaginary and inherently racist.What I liked about that part was to support her theory she cites something she claims happened in the 1960's in response to Republican policies.
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2022, 10:48:18 PM
The author claims racism and a fear of a "Dark Gotham" as if people's concerns are entirely imaginary and inherently racist.What I liked about that part was to support her theory she cites something she claims happened in the 1960's in response to Republican policies.
I got them mixed up but the Nation article far more infuriating than the New Yorker one.
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It was up to you, New York. And you blew it.
In one of the nation’s bluest states, Democrats lost an estimated five seats in the House of Representatives. NBC News has been predicting Republicans will win the House by four seats.
There’s a lot of blame to go around. Governor Kathy Hochul wound up defeating crime-baiting, Trump-hugging former GOP representative Lee Zeldin, but only by five points. Hochul lacked much of a visible ground game, and in winning, she had no coattails. In losing, Zeldin did.
I live in a massive city and I'm a journalist and I don't understand why things are happening!
Here's what happening:
Fascist Democrats in New York demanded vaccine requirements for a VIRUS in order to keep your job, even to the point where they require boosters too. All this for working class jobs. Then months later, after zero self reflection, zero on the ground reporting, you point fingers and refuse to wonder why working class portions of Brooklyn (South Brooklyn). Then, like PD and James, you're somehow shocked because you live in a class bubble which does not appreciate differing viewpoints and you're a bad journalist that needs to be fired and relied on MAPS and DATA despite the STORY of the past two years. Add in crime, increased food prices and shortages and you've got a fantastic cocktail.
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2022, 11:08:58 PM
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https://twitter.com/Katie400401/status/1592679613083586562
https://twitter.com/scastro87/status/1592591595635093504
https://twitter.com/scastro87/status/1592592095633903616
https://twitter.com/joanwalsh/status/1592592620823666690
https://twitter.com/scastro87/status/1592594948716888065
https://twitter.com/payattentionam/status/1592591602496962565
https://twitter.com/europabridge1/status/1592582504904790017
https://twitter.com/JamesSu93978250/status/1592591003005124608
https://twitter.com/scastro87/status/1592591595635093504
https://twitter.com/scastro87/status/1592592095633903616
https://twitter.com/joanwalsh/status/1592592620823666690
https://twitter.com/scastro87/status/1592594948716888065
https://twitter.com/payattentionam/status/1592591602496962565
https://twitter.com/europabridge1/status/1592582504904790017
https://twitter.com/JamesSu93978250/status/1592591003005124608
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Post by: Himu on November 15, 2022, 11:22:58 PM
Post by: Nintex on November 16, 2022, 02:53:11 AM
:trumps
Post by: Occam on November 16, 2022, 03:07:58 AM
MAGAGA!
Post by: Himu on November 16, 2022, 03:25:58 AM
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1592653311504797702
Papa Mitch, stay as leader and lead us to the promise land.
https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1592657104476962817
HAHAHA YES YESS
Post by: Himu on November 16, 2022, 04:48:51 AM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on November 16, 2022, 08:48:22 AM
Post by: Nintex on November 16, 2022, 01:14:14 PM
:trumps TRUMP :clap WINS :clap THE :clap BIG :clap BEAUTIFUL :clap HOUSE :trumps
Post by: james on November 16, 2022, 03:18:37 PM
Post by: Himu on November 16, 2022, 03:56:28 PM
Post by: BIONIC on November 16, 2022, 04:14:22 PM
Post by: james on November 16, 2022, 04:52:08 PM
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1592961288442814464
Post by: Himu on November 16, 2022, 04:58:21 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/15/politics/democrats-trump-2024-presidential-bid/index.html
Post by: D3RANG3D on November 16, 2022, 05:30:05 PM
Post by: james on November 16, 2022, 05:36:21 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2022, 06:01:19 PM
twitter.com/MrBeau/status/1592960262260559873I think they legitimately like when this guy comes and does these. The guy calling the next speaker always sounds so cheery after.
Post by: Maiden Voyage on November 16, 2022, 07:20:52 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fhpz1y_XEAElNLr?format=jpg&name=large)
MAGAGA!
Radio Magaga, radio magoogoo.
Post by: Uncle on November 16, 2022, 07:51:41 PM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1592248520668753921
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2022, 08:09:58 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2022, 09:35:06 PM
Quote from: https://apnews.com/article/technology-social-media-terrorism-gary-peters-02d26cfc708d1bcae834732426bcbab3
Growing domestic extremism has been linked to the country’s widening political divide and a rise in distrust of institutions. Critics of social media’s role in radicalizing extremists say that misinformation and hate speech spread online is fueling the problem
...
The report noted that tech companies often use content moderation tools to remove or flag extremist content after it’s already spread. They should change their algorithms and products to ensure they aren’t encouraging the content in the first place, the report recommended.
“The rise in domestic terrorism can be partially attributed to the proliferation of extremist content on social media platforms and the failure of companies to effectively limit it in favor of action that increase engagement on their platforms,” the report concluded.
Quote from: https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/majority-media/peters-investigative-report-shows-dhs-and-fbi-are-not-adequately-addressing-domestic-terrorism-threat
Peters continued: “My investigation also found that social media companies are contributing to the spread of domestic extremist content that often translates into this real world violence by prioritizing revenue and user engagement over online safety. My report makes important recommendations about the need to increase transparency and accountability to address how these platforms are spreading dangerous and extreme content.”I feel safer already, Senator. :american
...
The report makes key recommendations, including: ...
Create accountability for social media companies to prioritize safety on their platforms; and
Establish trust and safety as prioritized metrics for social media companies.
...
Peters’ report also found that the business models of social media companies – particularly Meta, TikTok, Twitter, and YouTube – have also allowed the rapid spread of extremist ideologies.
...
During the course of his investigation, Peters found that while social media companies often tout investments in trust and safety, the platforms continue to amplify white supremacist and anti-government content, and they lack incentives and safeguards that would ensure their products are not contributing to the spread of this harmful rhetoric. Despite repeated requests for these companies to provide more information on how they are working to prevent the spread of extremist content – the platforms provided little transparency.
Post by: Polident Hive on November 16, 2022, 11:07:11 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2022, 11:18:24 PM
Post by: Tasty on November 17, 2022, 12:17:12 AM
https://twitter.com/MaryMargOlohan/status/1592565605240279040
:rejoice :uguu
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/03/09/politics/ron-desantis-lgbtq-community/index.html
(https://media.tenor.com/ZLIUJihbfpwAAAAM/nah-dave-chappelle.gif)
Post by: Himu on November 17, 2022, 12:27:18 AM
:heh
Post by: Occam on November 17, 2022, 01:58:04 AM
https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1592979855691636740
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
Post by: Nintex on November 17, 2022, 03:07:49 AM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1592248515543326720So Trump was right it was just his personal stuff
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1592248520668753921
Post by: Occam on November 17, 2022, 03:26:54 AM
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A senator who stops to consider the personal or political consequences of his actions might vote for bills that don’t “own the libs.” For many Republican voters, this alone is enough reason to vote for Walker.https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/herschel-walker-georgia-runoff-stupidity-1234630182/
For example, Georgia did not expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act. The state contributes extra money into the national treasury for medical care that it does not receive, for no real reason other than keeping doctors away from poor people. Hospitals are closing across the state, mostly in communities with poor white residents, though the most significant recent closure was of a major Level 1 trauma center in downtown Atlanta.
The policy is profoundly stupid. It also hurts more Black people than white people in Georgia, so many Republicans support it. A smart politician would be looking for a policy workaround that brings that money to Georgia. But Republicans don’t want a smart politician. They want Walker.
You can't make this up. Are Republicans the dumbest people on the planet?
Post by: Occam on November 17, 2022, 05:11:46 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/jgVhVrC/3b98f5c0-65cb-11ed-97ef-4aad5a12bdd5.jpg)
Post by: Potato on November 17, 2022, 06:47:39 AM
Yes, but why differentiate? They're not simply Republicans, they're Americans.QuoteA senator who stops to consider the personal or political consequences of his actions might vote for bills that don’t “own the libs.” For many Republican voters, this alone is enough reason to vote for Walker.https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/herschel-walker-georgia-runoff-stupidity-1234630182/
For example, Georgia did not expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act. The state contributes extra money into the national treasury for medical care that it does not receive, for no real reason other than keeping doctors away from poor people. Hospitals are closing across the state, mostly in communities with poor white residents, though the most significant recent closure was of a major Level 1 trauma center in downtown Atlanta.
The policy is profoundly stupid. It also hurts more Black people than white people in Georgia, so many Republicans support it. A smart politician would be looking for a policy workaround that brings that money to Georgia. But Republicans don’t want a smart politician. They want Walker.
You can't make this up. Are Republicans the dumbest people on the planet?
Post by: Tasty on November 17, 2022, 08:43:34 AM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1592248515543326720So Trump was right it was just his personal stuff
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1592248520668753921
No, it's still a crime to unlawfully remove classified documents...
Post by: Occam on November 17, 2022, 08:53:56 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on November 17, 2022, 10:13:13 AM
Post by: james on November 17, 2022, 10:33:48 AM
:pika
Post by: james on November 17, 2022, 11:17:55 AM
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Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell voted against legislation that would protect interracial marriages on Wednesday, despite the fact that he's married to an Asian American woman.
https://www.newsweek.com/mitch-mcconnell-votes-against-interracial-marriage-despite-asian-wife-1760257
:juchesad
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 17, 2022, 12:04:59 PM
Why the fuck is interracial marriage even an issue in this day and age?
Post by: Occam on November 17, 2022, 12:18:55 PM
Post by: james on November 17, 2022, 12:31:08 PM
Why the fuck is interracial marriage even an issue in this day and age?
Roe v Wade was based on a "right to privacy" which isnt explicitly written in the constitution, but it was inferred as such.
By throwing that out this summer, the court says a right to privacy doesnt exist.
Thing is, both the interracial marriage ruling and the gay marriage ruling were based off the same idea.
So these bills are a way to encode the rights into law.
Post by: Sman on November 17, 2022, 12:41:26 PM
Why the fuck is interracial marriage even an issue in this day and age?
Roe v Wade was based on a "right to privacy" which isnt explicitly written in the constitution, but it was inferred as such.
By throwing that out this summer, the court says a right to privacy doesnt exist.
Thing is, both the interracial marriage ruling and the gay marriage ruling were based off the same idea.
So these bills are a way to encode the rights into law.
Best way to protect interracial marriage is make interracial divorce illegal.
:bluesteel
Post by: Nintex on November 17, 2022, 02:05:13 PM
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1593262703585497096 (https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1593262703585497096)
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 17, 2022, 02:12:31 PM
Post by: Potato on November 17, 2022, 02:39:21 PM
lol that seems fucking stupid :confusedHow would you go about proving someone's race anyway?
Why the fuck is interracial marriage even an issue in this day and age?
:dolezal
Post by: james on November 17, 2022, 02:56:04 PM
lol that seems fucking stupid :confusedHow would you go about proving someone's race anyway?
Why the fuck is interracial marriage even an issue in this day and age?
:dolezal
Genital inspections of course
Post by: benjipwns on November 17, 2022, 10:52:32 PM
I really think you guys should not just repeat whatever nonsense you've heard elsewhere that you've randomly decided must be true.Why the fuck is interracial marriage even an issue in this day and age?
Roe v Wade was based on a "right to privacy" which isnt explicitly written in the constitution, but it was inferred as such.
By throwing that out this summer, the court says a right to privacy doesnt exist.
Thing is, both the interracial marriage ruling and the gay marriage ruling were based off the same idea.
Just ask yourself: if Roe established the right to privacy then how did Griswold predate it by eight years?
edit: I mean, fuck, even I while making this post forgot Loving predated Roe by six years! We really don't even need to get into how the right to privacy wasn't involved in these cases! (How can you have a right to privacy when you're asking the government to recognize your marriage?)
Post by: Occam on November 18, 2022, 01:33:08 AM
Here, I looked up the latest one for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csi0WdYUzys
You really don't get any enjoyment out of this?
Post by: james on November 18, 2022, 01:48:08 AM
I really think you guys should not just repeat whatever nonsense you've heard elsewhere that you've randomly decided must be true.Why the fuck is interracial marriage even an issue in this day and age?
Roe v Wade was based on a "right to privacy" which isnt explicitly written in the constitution, but it was inferred as such.
By throwing that out this summer, the court says a right to privacy doesnt exist.
Thing is, both the interracial marriage ruling and the gay marriage ruling were based off the same idea.
Just ask yourself: if Roe established the right to privacy then how did Griswold predate it by eight years?
edit: I mean, fuck, even I while making this post forgot Loving predated Roe by six years! We really don't even need to get into how the right to privacy wasn't involved in these cases! (How can you have a right to privacy when you're asking the government to recognize your marriage?)
Who do we trust, someone still butthurt that his McMuffin candidate lost, or Wikipedia?
Quote
Holdinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade
The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a fundamental "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's liberty to abort her fetus. This right is not absolute, and has to be balanced against the government's interest in protecting women's health and protecting prenatal life. Texas's statutes making it a crime to procure an abortion violated this right.
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After its historical surveys, the Court introduced the concept of a constitutional "right to privacy" that it said had been intimated in its earlier decisions Meyer v. Nebraska and Pierce v. Society of Sisters, which involved parental control over childrearing, and Griswold v. Connecticut, which involved the use of contraception.[6] Then, "with virtually no further explanation of the privacy value",[7] the Court ruled that regardless of exactly which provisions were involved, the U.S. Constitution's guarantees of liberty covered a right to privacy that protected a pregnant woman's decision whether to abort a pregnancy.[6]
This right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or ... in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether to terminate her pregnancy.
— Roe, 410 U.S. at 153.[116]
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2022, 01:55:28 AM
You really don't get any enjoyment out of this?Well, I don't even watch the stuff because I already knew these people were dishonest. Everything we've found out about the group and their stunts like making false neo-Nazis only makes them more evidently that dishonest. Rick Wilson is a Jennifer Rubin tier person who used to argue abortion was literally murder and gays were close, was proud of the Confederacy and claimed Joe Biden had dementia who now pretends his constant tweeting of this stuff until 2017 when he "realized" everything he said before in his life was wrong so he can cozy up to idiots who will throw endless money at him for attacking Republicans in markets where only DC circle Democrats will see the content.
There are a lot of Twitter people I choose not to post, even to pick random and/or more partisan accounts with the same clips and information, because their rampant dishonesty is more corrosive than any true believer. If I wanted to make an extreme point to try and force others to evaluate their own principles through interrogating me I might even claim that Tucker Carlson is a less corrosive force because while he is wrong he at least feigns an aversion to outright dishonesty.
You can certainly post whatever you want to, I don't mind that or you just liking something, I was using it to illustrate a not-so-serious point that I was apparently wrong about. I have chastised Nintex and Himu for sources they have used before too. Himu listened and I think does take some effort to link more acceptable sources while Nintex is as always impervious to everything. And despite my earlier stated principle I am, as always, imperfect. I'm now trying to apologize for when I do think the interest of posting something from someone like Ron Filipkowski just so I don't have to track it down to a better source every single time. I know none of the dishonest people have actually meant anything they've ever said about "platforming" and ultimately there is no real harm from someone irrelevant like myself (despite the cosmic importance of The Bire itself) platforming anyone with or without a disclaimer of my approval or not but the subject itself I do find important to consider especially in lieu of my repetitively stated principle of: be the change you seek.
Who do we trust, someone still butthurt that his McMuffin candidate lost, or Wikipedia?Thanks for quoting stuff that only supports what I said ya dummy.
Post by: james on November 18, 2022, 02:03:53 AM
Who do we trust, someone still butthurt that his McMuffin candidate lost, or Wikipedia?Thanks for quoting stuff that only supports what I said ya dummy.
Are you drinking again?
You asked:
"Just ask yourself: if Roe established the right to privacy then how did Griswold predate it by eight years?'
The answer:
"After its historical surveys, the Court introduced the concept of a constitutional "right to privacy" that it said had been intimated in its earlier decision Griswold v. Connecticut"
Intimated: imply or hint.
Stop Himuing.
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2022, 02:08:52 AM
Post by: Occam on November 18, 2022, 02:20:16 AM
attacking Republicans in markets where only DC circle Democrats will see the content.
Yeah, I was going to mention that it's unfortunate that these clips aren't run during commercial breaks on Fox News.
Then again, if this is merely a grift, showing your output to those who finance you makes prefect sense.
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2022, 02:34:47 AM
Post by: Nintex on November 18, 2022, 07:21:24 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1593688386388230146 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1593688386388230146)
https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1593697982439890944 (https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1593697982439890944)
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2022, 07:26:17 PM
Well well well, another Witch HuntNot really if you listen to him, these were already existing investigations, because Trump is running for President and Biden is presumably an opposing candidate the special counsel is being appointed so Biden, through MAGA ally Garland, can't easily influence the investigation.
Post by: Nintex on November 18, 2022, 07:29:42 PM
:trumps
Post by: Maiden Voyage on November 18, 2022, 09:11:47 PM
(https://abload.de/img/fh3_z1kxoau5kiolkfri.jpg)
:trumps
Get rekt nerds
Post by: benjipwns on November 19, 2022, 06:54:56 PM
https://twitter.com/TheFIREorg/status/1593724981501902848
https://twitter.com/adamsteinbaugh/status/1593752398773657600
https://twitter.com/TheFIREorg/status/1593688983028076551
https://twitter.com/DavidLKeating/status/1593332658301415424
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/razor559/status/1593282201461964800
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Post by: benjipwns on November 20, 2022, 12:13:08 AM
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1593997545734373376
:jeanluc
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2022, 01:51:27 PM
PD's conclusions are inconclusive. Many people across political lines aren't comfortable with the trans ideology or CRT. You had a major event in your own state featuring Muslims just a few weeks ago. Don't dismiss that issue.
That's not the problem. The problem is the extremism of Trump candidates denying things like the election, and Roe dying (which is an economic issue). Abortion and the election results were so important people picked Democrats. This doesn't mean they don't care about CRT or trans or you might find yourself in a similar situation where GOP are now.
Also the biggest GOP concerns this cycle was crime and inflation, not CRT or trans, these are two things you've continuously denied are problems.
And how did that event influence the election? Democrats dominated in Michigan. It's time for republicans to realize people do not give a fuck about this issue beyond the outrage bubble of right wing media. A few dozen angry parents conveniently recorded is not a movement.
In terms of crime and inflation, surely republicans should have done better given they largely led on those issues in opinion polls right. Right? I agree those are problems for democrats. And yet they weren't major problems on election day. And given that inflation will largely disappear as an issue by 2024...republicans missed their window.
Post by: Nintex on November 21, 2022, 01:16:00 PM
:idont
Post by: Uncle on November 21, 2022, 06:42:35 PM
Post by: Himu on November 21, 2022, 10:04:48 PM
The news media adamantly contends that they are not the "liberal media" yet you do acts like this and don't understand why your credibility is in the gutter?
This is why anyone with sense adds Fox News to their news cycle. Bunch of leftist hacks. This actually makes an outlet like Fox even more credible. Here they are, in the time when Twitter owned by people against its politics, and still stayed. Didn't tuck their tail and run because of "differences in ownership" the way CBS News did. What does the politics of a owner even matter when reporting the news on a social media platform?
Leftism truly is a disease. This also shows the potentiality for evilness in activism. A once good cause has no place to go but more extreme once the goals are met. See: modern black rights post-Civil Rights Movement, modern feminism, modern lgbtq. You could put liberal politics in the same blender.
Post by: Uncle on November 21, 2022, 10:19:41 PM
could've been they're behaving quite capitalist and think it might be monetarily damaging to their brand to remain, just a business decision
could've been a unilateral decision by one social media "expert" who was since fired for their poor decision making, and they don't necessarily owe an explanation to anyone that this is what occurred behind closed doors
a lot of news orgs have hated twitter for a long time and put out creepily lockstep messages about how we should listen to them and trust them over randos on the internet, and many could've just been waiting for any excuse to de-legitimize a platform that has long de-legitimized them
Post by: Himu on November 21, 2022, 10:25:09 PM
being fair, unless they gave explicit reasons, it doesn't seem right to ascribe motivation to it
could've been they're behaving quite capitalist and think it might be monetarily damaging to their brand to remain, just a business decision
could've been a unilateral decision by one social media "expert" who was since fired for their poor decision making, and they don't necessarily owe an explanation to anyone that this is what occurred behind closed doors
a lot of news orgs have hated twitter for a long time and put out creepily lockstep messages about how we should listen to them and trust them over randos on the internet, and many could've just been waiting for any excuse to de-legitimize a platform that has long de-legitimized them
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cbs-news-suspends-twitter-posting-light-uncertainty-musk-owned-social-rcna58029
Seems self explanatory to me. The conclusion: weak ass leftist horse shit.
(https://i.imgur.com/2XmbJ7M.gif)
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2022, 11:49:10 PM
Post by: Himu on November 22, 2022, 12:09:56 AM
I have no idea what "In light of the uncertainty around Twitter and out of an abundance of caution, CBS News is pausing its activity on the social media site as it continues to monitor the platform" is even supposed to mean. They apparently monitored it for all of Saturday and decided there was no uncertainty so came back on Sunday.
"Are there Nazis on this platform?"
The same platform that has the literal fucking Taliban/ISIS/China shills on it.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on November 22, 2022, 12:15:20 AM
:neogaf
Post by: Himu on November 22, 2022, 12:24:08 AM
WAPO: DeSantis is Hitler.
Lul American media has learned nothing and will never learn anything. Keep pushing. Keep calling DeSantis a fascist. Keep building him up single handedly the way you did with Trump with drooling histrionics. Every time there's a Republican presidential candidate the liberal (and arguably leftist) media makes a case for why it will be Armageddon this time. Keep it up! I'm hoping for Ron DeSantis 2024!
Post by: Occam on November 22, 2022, 01:32:18 AM
Quote
Another Flop From GOP Productions
David Frum
In 2006 and 2018, Democrats won control of the U.S. House of Representatives on the way to winning the presidency two years later.
In 1994 and 2010, Republicans won control of the U.S. House of Representatives. They then lost the presidency two years later.
The difference? Discipline.
The leader of the Democratic majority elected in 2006 and 2018 was Nancy Pelosi. She restrained emotions in her caucus. After 2006, many Democrats burned with anger against the Bush administration—some even talked of impeaching George W. Bush over the Iraq War. Speaker Pelosi would not allow it. Her vision was to use control of the House to prepare the way for the impending presidential election so that Democrats could then legislate. The passage of the Affordable Care Act in 2010 rewarded her strategy.
By contrast, the Republican majority elected in 1994 and 2010 lunged immediately into total war. In 1994, the leaders, Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay, wanted and led the total war. In 2010, Speaker John Boehner opposed the lunge and tried, largely in vain, to control it. In both cases, the result was the same: a government shutdown in 1995, a near default on U.S. debt obligations in 2011, and a conspiratorial extremism that frightened mainstream voters back to the party of the president.
The signs strongly indicate that the next Republican House majority will follow the pattern of its predecessors.
The most urgent of those warning signs is Republicans’ urge to base their program for the next Congress on an investigation of President Joe Biden’s son Hunter. On November 18, the next chair of the House Oversight Committee, James Comer of Kentucky, and his colleague due to chair the House Judiciary Committee, Jim Jordan of Ohio, held a press conference to offer their theory of what they would find: corrupt business dealings that implicate the president himself.
Why Republicans would want to believe this holds little mystery. From 2017 to 2021, Republicans supported and defended a strikingly corrupt president whose children disregarded nepotism rules to enrich themselves and their businesses. The administration opened with a special favor from the government of Japan to Donald Trump’s daughter and closed with a $2 billion investment by the government of Saudi Arabia for the president’s son-in-law—despite written warnings from the Saudi government’s outside advisers about excessive fees, inexperienced management, and operations that were “unsatisfactory in all aspects.”
How do partisans try to neutralize four years of nonstop genuine scandals? By ginning up an equal and opposite scandal against the other team. The Trump family may have been the most crooked ever to occupy the White House, and on a scale impossible to deny or ignore. During Trump’s administration, his hotel business exacted payments on Pennsylvania Avenue from corporations, individuals, and foreign governments as a condition of presidential favor and charged the Secret Service fees simply so that it could do its job of protecting the president. Trump himself elevated his son-in-law to de facto positions as a chief of staff and a national security adviser. Meanwhile, the president’s other children headed family businesses that profited from the presidency.
If that record cannot be denied, then maybe it can be diminished or rendered somehow acceptable by alleging that Trump’s successor is doing the same thing. But in their whataboutism, Republicans are forgetting a lesson they should have learned in 1995–96: Don’t oversell, and even more important, don’t talk yourself into believing the false narrative you hope to sell to others.
Back in 1995, there was one thing that probably every voting American knew about President Bill Clinton: He was not a good husband. But he won the election of 1992 despite revelations of his improper behavior. At another time, that would have removed the allegations from further politics: The voters had adjudicated. No point relitigating the issue.
Republicans, however, chose to relitigate it. They needed to reframe the old, rejected scandal into a new, possibly more exciting scandal. They focused on a very particular question. Clinton had survived scandal in 1992 in large part because his wife, Hillary Clinton, had joined him on television, publicly forgiven him, and asked his critics to back off. Republicans allowed themselves to speculate on why she had done that. The answer they arrived at was that Hillary Clinton was the central figure in an extensive web of criminality who forgave Bill Clinton’s sexual misconduct so that he would protect her financial wrongdoing, up to and including drug smuggling and murder. Those latter, crazy-sounding allegations became the basis for dozens of editorials in The Wall Street Journal, so many that when ultimately published in book form, they filled six paperback volumes.
I was part of this world at the time, and I observed people who should have known better talking themselves into deeply believing these fantasies. They became a core part of the Republican critique of the Clinton presidency—and led to the spectacular failure of that critique in the presidential election of 1996 and the congressional elections of 1998.
It was as if the Republicans had started this dialogue with the electorate:
Republicans: Do you know that Bill Clinton is an unfaithful husband?
Voters: Yes.
Republicans: Don’t you care?
Voters: No.
Republicans: What if we told you that Bill and Hillary Clinton ran a massive international-crime syndicate and that they are implicated in multiple murders and cover-ups?
Voters: We’d say, “You guys are delusional maniacs.”
Republicans in 2022 seem to be writing a similar dialogue for 2023.
Republicans: Do you know that Hunter Biden is a financial and emotional mess?
Voters: Now we do.
Republicans: Don’t you care?
Voters: No.
Republicans: Do you know that Joe Biden wrote notes telling his son he loved him despite his troubles, and also let his son stay in his house when his son was down on his luck?
Voters: That sounds like a good thing.
Republicans: What if we told you that Joe and Hunter Biden ran a massive international-crime syndicate and that they are implicated in sex trafficking and cover-ups?
You can foresee where this dialogue is heading.
With the Clinton scandals, voters proved able to distinguish between the true parts, which they rejected as uninteresting, and the interesting parts, which they rejected as untrue. Voters will likely prove just as shrewd in the 2020s as they were in the 1990s. They demonstrated again in the elections of 2022 just how unimpressed they were by the extremist fantasies of the conservative fringe.
But Republicans are more and more isolated in their ideological information networks and seem even less connected to mainstream America today than they were a generation ago. They so passionately believe the stories they hear that they forget who confected those stories: themselves.
There are real questions for a Republican majority to investigate in the coming session of Congress: Why was the Biden administration caught so by surprise at the collapse of the Afghan government and military? What can actually be determined about the origins of the coronavirus pandemic? How did immigration controls at the southern border fail, and why haven’t those controls been fixed yet? But all of those questions lead to issues of policy, and policy is notoriously tangled, complicated, and difficult.
What Republicans want instead is an excuse for their enabling of Trump. They yearn to spread their fantasy narrative that Biden’s attempts to be a supportive father to an errant son are the moral equivalent of the Trump family’s looting of the U.S. government. Fantasies don’t survive contact with reality, including the democratic reality of elections.
Unfortunately, fantasies can be generated faster than reality can puncture them. So off we go with a repeat of an old show—written, directed, and performed by a production company oblivious that it is chasing box-office success by remaking a three-decade-old flop.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/republicans-house-hearings-hunter-biden/672197/
Excellent article that presumably won't be read by the people who should read it.
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2022, 01:44:11 AM
Post by: Occam on November 22, 2022, 01:49:10 AM
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2022, 01:50:26 AM
I think his theory is what he actually wrote in the article.That's literally what he actually wrote in the article:
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By contrast, the Republican majority elected in 1994 and 2010 lunged immediately into total war. In 1994, the leaders, Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay, wanted and led the total war. In 2010, Speaker John Boehner opposed the lunge and tried, largely in vain, to control it. In both cases, the result was the same: a government shutdown in 1995, a near default on U.S. debt obligations in 2011, and a conspiratorial extremism that frightened mainstream voters back to the party of the president.
Post by: Occam on November 22, 2022, 01:53:19 AM
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2022, 02:03:53 AM
Two-Party Popular Vote Share:
1996: 45-50-51 (Dole - R House - R Senate)
2012: 48-49-44 (Romney - R House - R Senate)
2020 is bad for Frum's Pelosi theory too, the House Democrats (51.6%) underperformed Biden (52.3%).
Post by: Occam on November 22, 2022, 02:50:49 AM
And in 2022, it led to D not losing the Senate, and barely losing the House, which is unusual.
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2022, 03:10:01 AM
I think his point was that the crazy behavior didn't lead to R presidency.I know, that's why I asked:
So people voted against anti-crazies Bob Dole and Mitt Romney and for Republican Congressional candidates to punish the overreach of the crazies in the Republican Houses? This is the Frum theory?
Post by: Occam on November 22, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2022, 05:51:01 PM
Post by: Himu on November 23, 2022, 12:45:13 AM
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/11/22/anderson-lee-aldrich-club-q-shooting-non-binary/
Turns out the killer was non binary.
:beli
I'm going to go back to posting Libs of Tik Tok. The way the left politicize killings, from this shooting to Uvalde ("kids deaths are on your hands!!!") makes me sick with fury. Constant emotional blackmail. Like I said before: ideological imperialists.and more importantly, guilty before proven innocent..
That said, I'm still waiting. For all I know this could be a lie.
Post by: Uncle on November 23, 2022, 06:42:13 AM
Turns out the killer was non binary.
:beli
productive discussion on the subject:
(https://i.imgur.com/krpE5qK.png)
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2022, 06:51:17 AM
productive discussion on the subject:"please respect everyone's chosen pronouns"
(https://i.imgur.com/krpE5qK.png)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/5e813bacb8456b75c80ccf40225896db/tumblr_nmp95uilvK1tsuuvno4_250.gif)
Post by: Himu on November 23, 2022, 07:07:33 AM
Turns out the killer was non binary.
:beli
productive discussion on the subject:
(https://i.imgur.com/krpE5qK.png)
Look at meeee, I'm a liberal and I'm an activist and have made being an activist my personality trait that needs to be inserted into everything
Lul. Clout chasing lefties. Their horrific culture can't die soon enough. At this point in five years time they'll make activism a part of job interviews. "How do you feel about climate change?" "Do you have a Twitter? We do not do business with individuals that operate on that platform."
Disgusting communists.
Post by: Himu on November 23, 2022, 07:16:46 AM
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1595262436143235073
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1595266085053689857
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1595266345448398848
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1595270147421388802
This guy was blaming Carlson and LOTT and now he's shoving a big, fat non binary cock down his mouth. What did I say yesterday? A culture of mediocrity. Your brain on leftism.
Post by: Nintex on November 23, 2022, 07:20:48 AM
Keep your eye on the ball fellas
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2022, 04:35:17 PM
They're now treating him like a victim on the pretext of identity.Because The Bire embeds show two tweets in threads you can just link every other tweet and all four will be readable instead of posting every link which will repeat the same ones in the thread. Not criticizing, just offering a tip about keeping the number of Twitter embeds in a post down.
This guy was blaming Carlson and LOTT and now he's shoving a big, fat non binary cock down his mouth. What did I say yesterday? A culture of mediocrity. Your brain on leftism.
Anyway, this dude who openly puts disinformation in his "reporting" and doesn't give a shit about tweeting false things constantly is going through some personal issues on live TV because nobody is listening to his reporting and arresting everyone on the planet or whatever:
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1595046538098708480
Post by: Nintex on November 23, 2022, 04:53:33 PM
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2022, 05:06:36 PM
:american
Post by: Potato on November 23, 2022, 05:24:22 PM
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Except Occam and the rest of the commies who want to install some sort of Marxist hellscape.
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Post by: Occam on November 23, 2022, 10:18:18 PM
Dear Mr. Potato Head, why do you keep claiming I'm a leftist/commie/marxist? Please do take your brain medication.
Post by: BIONIC on November 23, 2022, 10:24:55 PM
Post by: BisMarckie on November 24, 2022, 02:33:57 AM
This Occam/Potato rivalry is great. Carry on, friends :popcorn
We haven't seen a turbo autisty like Occam for a long time, we better not scare him off.
Post by: Nintex on November 24, 2022, 03:09:38 AM
Hate the game not the player bro's :mynicca
Post by: Himu on November 24, 2022, 03:14:37 AM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1595241072971481089
:american
I love it when politicians fuck up like this.
https://youtu.be/JdY7yVYZMxw
:sabu
Post by: Nintex on November 26, 2022, 04:42:43 AM
Trump throws nick under the bus :lol
Post by: BIONIC on November 26, 2022, 05:04:39 AM
This is a wonderful statement :lol
Post by: Nintex on November 26, 2022, 06:14:20 PM
Also Trump is supporting Lindells bid for RNC chair.
Yes, Mike Lindell wants to be RNC chair. :trumps
Post by: Potato on November 26, 2022, 07:03:52 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on November 26, 2022, 08:04:42 PM
Post by: james on November 26, 2022, 11:26:21 PM
“Anyway, we got along great, he expressed no anti-semitism”
This is a wonderful statement :lol
Jared is in Qatar lol
Post by: BIONIC on November 27, 2022, 07:18:01 AM
“Anyway, we got along great, he expressed no anti-semitism”
This is a wonderful statement :lol
Jared is in Qatar lol
Continuing his successful mission of spreading peace to the Middle East :ufup
Post by: james on November 28, 2022, 04:10:34 PM
Post by: james on November 28, 2022, 04:35:18 PM
STOP THE COUNT
Post by: Potato on November 28, 2022, 10:00:14 PM
https://twitter.com/DemocracyDocket/status/1597268364606705665 (https://twitter.com/DemocracyDocket/status/1597268364606705665)
https://twitter.com/DemocracyDocket/status/1597278242867908609 (https://twitter.com/DemocracyDocket/status/1597278242867908609)Lol, yanks gotta Yankee doodle dandy
STOP THE COUNT
Post by: Nintex on November 29, 2022, 01:51:15 PM
Post by: Occam on November 29, 2022, 04:56:58 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/29/nyregion/nyc-mentally-ill-involuntary-custody.html
Post by: benjipwns on November 29, 2022, 05:03:12 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FirnzRPVIAAtNMj?format=jpg)They didn't have to because, and this is key to your plight Donald, she complied with the law at the time:
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On December 5, 2014, Clinton lawyers delivered 12 file boxes filled with printed paper containing more than 30,000 emails. Clinton withheld almost 32,000 emails deemed to be of a personal nature.[18] Datto, Inc., which provided data backup service for Clinton's email, agreed to give the FBI the hardware that stored the backups.[42]How do you think they knew how many e-mails got deleted?
You just had to give the shit back one of the many times they asked. :lol
Post by: james on November 30, 2022, 01:54:51 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoJoFromJerz/status/1597928444079140864
Post by: Nintex on November 30, 2022, 02:02:11 PM
Apparently caused by an ignored recall
Post by: james on November 30, 2022, 08:39:08 PM
Post by: Himu on November 30, 2022, 08:57:02 PM
EU threatens to deplatforn Twitter.
Let me get this straight: literal child porn and terrorists okay. Censoring the "correct" people, okay. Opening Twitter up to be more fair and less politically biased, and you are a threat to the world. All this has done is reveal to anyone with a brain what the establishment wants, and yes the left is the establishment.
Try it EU. Try your holier than thou attitude. What even is hate speech anymore? Criticism aimed at any minority group? Literal terrorists are allowed but don't you dare say nothing mean!
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Breton told Musk he must adhere to a checklist of rules, including ditching an "arbitrary" approach to reinstating banned users and agreeing to an "extensive independent audit" of the platform by next year, according to the report
Truly proving the left to be the true fascists in their high pursuit of censorship. Suck my big black dick, fascists. I guess only Government - whether the White House or these European cunts - are allowed to have any opinion these days. Get fucked.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1597709400395112448
Communism is brain disease. Call the gotdamn exorcist.
Post by: Himu on November 30, 2022, 09:22:07 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3756296-in-historic-vote-democrats-pick-jeffries-to-replace-pelosi-as-party-leader/
All this time talking about how "NY Dems don't reflect the Democratic Party!" and lo and behold, picking a NY Brooklynite as Party Leader. I see you, picking these sickening fascist NY Democrats as leader. No ma'am/sir/they!
Post by: Himu on December 01, 2022, 04:50:21 AM
Let Europe deal with their own crap.
Blame USA for every problem while acting like a proverbial leech tied to our gut, sucking our blood, resources, in exchange for protection all while they toot escargot farts. During all of this they helped contributed and sent their own weapons and support to Ukraine but noooooow it's an American problem. Suck my black dick you filthy Euros. Bunch of virtue signaling f words.
You want to play poker? USA should threaten to leave NATO.
Post by: Himu on December 01, 2022, 05:12:15 AM
Ever since the midterms I've checked to see if conservative media will remain anti-Trump given the obvious rescind on Trumpism in the election cycle and...even Breitbart is turning on the Big T, and I don't be mean trans.
Like holy shit.
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Trump Dined at Mar-a-Lago with White Nationalist, Holocaust Denier Nick Fuentes Alongside Kanye West; UPDATE – Trump Responds, ‘Had Never Met and Knew Nothing About’ Fuentes
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/25/trump-dined-at-mar-a-lago-with-white-nationalist-holocaust-denier-nick-fuentes-alongside-kanye-west/
Post by: Sman on December 01, 2022, 01:05:44 PM
Orange Man meeting Nick Fuentes, is lol satire shit by the way. Meeting a literal Nazi who is obviously a Mexican going by his name. Trump's circle is getting extremely small for him to entertain this shit and it's glorious.
Ever since the midterms I've checked to see if conservative media will remain anti-Trump given the obvious rescind on Trumpism in the election cycle and...even Breitbart is turning on the Big T, and I don't be mean trans.
Like holy shit.QuoteTrump Dined at Mar-a-Lago with White Nationalist, Holocaust Denier Nick Fuentes Alongside Kanye West; UPDATE – Trump Responds, ‘Had Never Met and Knew Nothing About’ Fuentes
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/25/trump-dined-at-mar-a-lago-with-white-nationalist-holocaust-denier-nick-fuentes-alongside-kanye-west/
The average BB reader seems very MAGA to me, if the comment section is anything to go by.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 01, 2022, 01:10:25 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on December 01, 2022, 01:44:12 PM
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1598364291316518913
Post by: Himu on December 01, 2022, 03:18:22 PM
Orange Man meeting Nick Fuentes, is lol satire shit by the way. Meeting a literal Nazi who is obviously a Mexican going by his name. Trump's circle is getting extremely small for him to entertain this shit and it's glorious.
Ever since the midterms I've checked to see if conservative media will remain anti-Trump given the obvious rescind on Trumpism in the election cycle and...even Breitbart is turning on the Big T, and I don't be mean trans.
Like holy shit.QuoteTrump Dined at Mar-a-Lago with White Nationalist, Holocaust Denier Nick Fuentes Alongside Kanye West; UPDATE – Trump Responds, ‘Had Never Met and Knew Nothing About’ Fuentes
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/11/25/trump-dined-at-mar-a-lago-with-white-nationalist-holocaust-denier-nick-fuentes-alongside-kanye-west/
The average BB reader seems very MAGA to me, if the comment section is anything to go by.
I was talking about outlets not readers. Like a lot of folks thought post midterms the conservative media would be harsh on Trump and then go back to sucking his cock but nope, they've stayed the course. Meanwhile Trump is drowning along with figures like Nick Fuentes and ....Kanye West. Not good for reelection being tied to such company.
2024 gets more and more grim for Trump. Come on DeSantis!
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2022, 10:04:26 PM
The average BB reader seems very MAGA to me, if the comment section is anything to go by.
They are but Andrew Breitbart was jewish.Breitbart was different before he was murdered by the deep state and Steve Bannon took over. Brietbart wanted an openly conservative tabloid that wouldn't turn down stories, Bannon wanted a platform to overthrow the West and save white people. The Brietbart comments have always been to the "right" of the writers, when Bannon gave up control to join the actual Trump team the comments were constantly attacking the writers for "undermining" Trump by publishing any non-positive story about him or publishing positive stories but not framing it exactly as Trump did. (i.e. Trump defeats Mueller yet again but you didn't put "WITCHUNT" in the headline SO FUUUUUCCCK OOOOFFFFOOOOFFFFFFFF LIEBERAL) I wouldn't be surprised if one of the reasons Trump dismissed Bannon is that he had enough integrity to insist on Breitbart sticking to the larger overall message instead of blind loyalty for Trump, especially after Trump hired him. (Because Trump has no idea how the media, or much of anything, works he probably assumed Bannon would keep day to day control over the website while working in the White House. I also assume that Trump didn't actually believe it when Bannon outright told him he supported Trump because he saw Trump as the best current vessel to get Bannon what he wanted.)
Post by: Nintex on December 02, 2022, 02:12:08 AM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1598450042012327936 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1598450042012327936)
Speaker West? Tucker? Trump (jr.)?
Post by: Nintex on December 02, 2022, 03:31:50 AM
Trump should sue for copyright infringement
Post by: Himu on December 02, 2022, 11:13:38 AM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on December 02, 2022, 12:25:18 PM
:american
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sREM_nEZjNk
(https://grrrgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/biden_union_buster_train-1-1536x1129.jpg)
:salute
Post by: Boredfrom on December 02, 2022, 12:28:28 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:whew :kermit :whew
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Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2022, 07:01:18 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1598471626638913537 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1598471626638913537)Not surprised this guy wants to mock the issues that matter to us EVERYDAY AMERICANS. :usacry
Post by: Himu on December 02, 2022, 10:13:14 PM
Also GOP talking heads: let's placate and platform a mentally ill bipolar man because he's a celebrity.
(https://media.tenor.com/73vhftW9zYMAAAAC/kanye-west-blink.gif)
I am Republican but this is really bad being associated with these people. But thinking of it, the left placates mentally ill activists too. So it really is bipartisan.
Post by: Himu on December 02, 2022, 10:16:36 PM
Democrats side with corporations over workers.
:american
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sREM_nEZjNk
(https://grrrgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/biden_union_buster_train-1-1536x1129.jpg)
:salute
Sponsored by Pfizer
Post by: Nintex on December 03, 2022, 05:01:38 PM
GOP talking heads: shut up and dribbleSay what you will about the Democrats Himu they didn't put at least 4 mentally ill Presidents in the White House including the best and our favorite President :trumps
Also GOP talking heads: let's placate and platform a mentally ill bipolar man because he's a celebrity.
(https://media.tenor.com/73vhftW9zYMAAAAC/kanye-west-blink.gif)
I am Republican but this is really bad being associated with these people. But thinking of it, the left placates mentally ill activists too. So it really is bipartisan.
Not happy about the Twitter files
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjDxWweXoAQWKuy?format=jpg)
Post by: Himu on December 03, 2022, 06:51:26 PM
Also Trump and Biden show the President doesn't matter as much as his executive branch. Biden is a full on dementia patient.
Post by: Nintex on December 03, 2022, 07:07:23 PM
Reagan (demented evangelist)
George W. Bush (alcoholic without a consience)
Donald John Trump (autism)
Post by: BIONIC on December 03, 2022, 07:30:27 PM
Nixon (alcoholic paranoid narcisist)
Reagan (demented evangelist)
George W. Bush (alcoholic without a consience)
Donald John Trump (autism)
:science
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User Banned (Permanent): Armchair diagnosis of mental health
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Post by: Nintex on December 03, 2022, 08:00:09 PM
Post by: benjipwns on December 03, 2022, 10:12:06 PM
Post by: Himu on December 03, 2022, 11:54:41 PM
Nixon (alcoholic paranoid narcisist)
Reagan (demented evangelist)
George W. Bush (alcoholic without a consience)
Donald John Trump (autism)
Huh. Okay.
Post by: Nintex on December 04, 2022, 05:38:30 AM
Still, they put some crazy cookies in the White House while the Democrats have often opted to keep the radicals out at all costs (Bernie Sanders and Howard Dean for example).
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2022, 05:50:56 AM
Post by: Nintex on December 04, 2022, 08:38:04 AM
Howard Dean wasn't a radical at all. :lolHe sat on a tank and yelled right? At the time that was not presidential behaviour and considered radical.
Much like wearing a tan suit.
But considering that's the most controversial thing Barack Obama did it shows you the difference between rascals like George and Donald and the average Democratic president.
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2022, 09:08:28 AM
Post by: Himu on December 04, 2022, 10:53:13 AM
To be fair some of their behaviours might be more personality traits as opposed to mental illnesses. Not to mention they can be both crazy as well as a great President.
Still, they put some crazy cookies in the White House while the Democrats have often opted to keep the radicals out at all costs (Bernie Sanders and Howard Dean for example).
Dems ran people like Dukakis and Gore :lol Obama killed civilians in bombings and has an ego complex. LBJ was a known racist. Hillary Clinton is a war monger.
Post by: Tasty on December 04, 2022, 12:20:04 PM
Howard Dean wasn't a radical at all. :lol
No but he was RADICAL (in the skater sense)
https://youtu.be/RwkNnMrsx7Q
Post by: Nintex on December 04, 2022, 02:48:49 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1599432758283083777 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1599432758283083777)
:trumps
Post by: Himu on December 04, 2022, 03:05:21 PM
Post by: Nintex on December 04, 2022, 03:45:08 PM
Post by: who is ted danson? on December 04, 2022, 04:50:32 PM
:lol :lol
it's a big club and you ain't in it
Post by: Potato on December 04, 2022, 05:47:18 PM
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2022, 11:40:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1599442203717390337The context actually makes it worse, he wants to suspend the rule of law because Twitter banned something two years ago that's since been reversed. :lol
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2022, 11:47:28 PM
"You have to read him in context."
"...because smell of burning virgin flesh make pee-pee hard."
:trumps
Post by: Nintex on December 05, 2022, 05:56:54 PM
:idont
Post by: BIONIC on December 05, 2022, 06:01:06 PM
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One of the law clients he robbed, Geoffrey Ernest Johnson, was a mentally ill paraplegic on disability.
https://youtu.be/gI5kyjxgriw
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on December 05, 2022, 09:25:14 PM
https://twitter.com/catdecal/status/1599878976369233920 (https://twitter.com/catdecal/status/1599878976369233920)
:idont
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Analysis by Chris Cillizza
He might’ve been fired last week, but his posts are going to haunt CNN for decades.
Post by: Himu on December 06, 2022, 04:18:20 AM
https://archive.ph/ZsrLb
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President Biden says last Tuesday was “a good day” for democracy, but he must not be paying attention to what happened in Illinois. Behold a case study in how Democrats change the rules to limit political competition and entrench one-party, public-union rule.
Democrats held supermajorities in both legislative chambers and a 4-3 majority on the state Supreme Court before the election. But their ex-boss Michael Madigan’s corruption scandal gave Republicans a chance to make gains in the statehouse, compete for Governor, and take control of the state Supreme Court for the first time in more than 50 years.
After deposing Mr. Madigan, Democrats last year did him proud by jamming through new state legislative maps that forced 12 Republican incumbents into six House districts. Democrats held 73 of 118 House seats under Mr. Madigan’s gerrymander. Their new, more extreme gerrymander helped them pick up four to five more seats.
Democrats also redrew state Supreme Court districts for the first time in 60 years. Three Justices are elected exclusively from Cook County, which includes Chicago. This guarantees Democrats three seats. But their majority looked in danger after a Democratic Justice representing central Illinois lost a retention election in November 2020 for the first time in state history.
Post by: D3RANG3D on December 11, 2022, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2022, 02:34:01 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2022, 09:23:25 AM
Impressive. Sounds like we may not have the technology to fully take advantage of this yet in the near-term but still quite an achievement.
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2022, 09:36:44 AM
Post by: Occam on December 12, 2022, 04:01:05 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/12/books/book-bans-libraries.html
They really love free speech.
Post by: Nintex on December 12, 2022, 05:48:16 PM
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:idontThanks for reading The Times.
Create your free account or log in to continue reading.
The libs are just destroying themselves with these paywalls
I bet you can find a free 3 hour documentary on the counter argument of the same subject for free and after you've watched it you get a MyPillow discount code.
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2022, 05:54:21 PM
Quote:idontThanks for reading The Times.
Create your free account or log in to continue reading.
The libs are just destroying themselves with these paywalls
I bet you can find a free 3 hour documentary on the counter argument of the same subject for free and after you've watched it you get a MyPillow discount code.
www.archive.ph
Post by: Nintex on December 12, 2022, 06:25:26 PM
https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1602372771052367872 (https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1602372771052367872)
:kermit
Post by: james on December 12, 2022, 07:16:42 PM
So hard.
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2022, 07:56:00 PM
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2022, 07:58:09 PM
The libs are just destroying themselves with these paywallsI ain't watching that shit, just going to skip ahead for my coupon code. :success
I bet you can find a free 3 hour documentary on the counter argument of the same subject for free and after you've watched it you get a MyPillow discount code.
Post by: BIONIC on December 12, 2022, 08:36:35 PM
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2022, 11:30:58 PM
https://twitter.com/dallasnews/status/1601223895620751360
https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1600873302443970560
https://twitter.com/danielschuman/status/1602316916567285760
https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1602336250127687680
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2022, 12:10:58 AM
https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1602301863822491650
Post by: james on December 13, 2022, 12:20:13 AM
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2022, 12:34:09 AM
:yuck Malcolm "Glad Handed" Gladwell
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2022, 10:17:48 AM
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2022, 12:01:48 PM
Lawmakers consider banning Communist China's society destroying spyware. Good. Another thing Trump was (unfortunately) right about.
Post by: Potato on December 13, 2022, 02:36:47 PM
Post by: james on December 13, 2022, 03:37:38 PM
Not disputing the spyware label, but what makes Tik Tok "society destroying" in comparison to other social media networks?
Nobody uses the other ones anymore
Post by: Sman on December 13, 2022, 04:40:08 PM
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1602486580052037632
But where's the resetera thread about it? I want to hear their calm, level-headed take on this.
:gamergate
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2022, 04:58:32 PM
Not disputing the spyware label, but what makes Tik Tok "society destroying" in comparison to other social media networks?
I get your point but one is not only financed by an adversarial government, it's collecting personal data on Americans that will likely be used for decades.
Post by: Polident Hive on December 13, 2022, 05:58:46 PM
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2022, 06:27:03 PM
Not disputing the spyware label, but what makes Tik Tok "society destroying" in comparison to other social media networks?
China literally uses an algorithm to promote certain things on amercan tik tok. It's very sexual to the point where if you download the app you'll see questionable things. It has a societal effect that affects young people and China is choosing specific topics to make them seem cool to young people. It takes certain things like gender wars and race wars and puts them to the forefront. It's being cursted to be like this. Meanwhile China's TikTok is overwhelmingly positive. It's like this by design and it's not only spyware but also a way for communist China to get inside Americans heads and change our values.
Post by: BIONIC on December 13, 2022, 06:32:02 PM
Post by: BrokenVerses on December 13, 2022, 06:46:10 PM
It very quickly figures out if you're gay or straight as well as appearance of who you engage with.
In other words if your For You Page is flooded with big booty Latinas twerking in San Antonio or a Lululemon clerk posting how we all need to #staybottom that's all on you.
Post by: Nintex on December 13, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
Post by: BIONIC on December 13, 2022, 07:18:51 PM
I’m getting out of touch :engel
Post by: Nintex on December 13, 2022, 07:51:08 PM
Reddit is the endgame of the thot pipeline?Their content is stolen and posted for free by bots :trumps
I’m getting out of touch :engel
Post by: james on December 13, 2022, 08:05:12 PM
Tiktok is mostly known for the Tiktok -> Twitch -> OnlyFans -> pornhub -> reddit spam skill tree progression.
What about the secret discord groups?
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2022, 10:08:07 PM
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-lawmakers-unveil-bipartisan-bid-ban-chinas-tiktok-2022-12-13/
Lawmakers consider banning Communist China's society destroying spyware. Good. Another thing Trump was (unfortunately) right about.
You claim you're concerned about China changing American values and yet you're advocating for copying China by having the state block things it doesn't like instead of continuing the free internet America has championed.Not disputing the spyware label, but what makes Tik Tok "society destroying" in comparison to other social media networks?
China literally uses an algorithm to promote certain things on amercan tik tok. It's very sexual to the point where if you download the app you'll see questionable things. It has a societal effect that affects young people and China is choosing specific topics to make them seem cool to young people. It takes certain things like gender wars and race wars and puts them to the forefront. It's being cursted to be like this. Meanwhile China's TikTok is overwhelmingly positive. It's like this by design and it's not only spyware but also a way for communist China to get inside Americans heads and change our values.
Post by: Potato on December 14, 2022, 12:25:31 AM
Twatter and Facebook and LinkedIn have already been collecting personal data on everybody (not just Americans) for more than a decade and have been using it to push an American-centric agenda on the rest of the world.Not disputing the spyware label, but what makes Tik Tok "society destroying" in comparison to other social media networks?
I get your point but one is not only financed by an adversarial government, it's collecting personal data on Americans that will likely be used for decades.
Fuck the Chinese and their communist bullshit, but almost equally fuck the American social media companies too with their own bullshit agenda pushing.
Tik tok is no more society destroying than any of that other garbage. In fact, it's been patently less society destroying than the others.
Post by: jorma on December 14, 2022, 02:22:45 AM
Not disputing the spyware label, but what makes Tik Tok "society destroying" in comparison to other social media networks?
I get your point but one is not only financed by an adversarial government, it's collecting personal data on Americans that will likely be used for decades.
it's funny that you are less worried about your own goverment and your own social media corpos doing the same shit when they are much more likely to use that data to hurt you than the chinese (even if only for the reason that the chinese don't care about you)
Post by: james on December 14, 2022, 12:56:37 PM
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Elon Musk, who implored his army of Twitter followers to vote Republican in the 2022 midterms, did not vote in the election, state records show.
The billionaire is registered in Cameron County, Texas, where his rocket company SpaceX has a launch base and development site. Musk lists a modest home as his residence, though he has been known to spend time at other luxury properties.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-didnt-vote-in-midterms-after-urging-fans-to-back-gop?ref=home
:girlaff :girlaff
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on December 14, 2022, 01:12:14 PM
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2022, 01:18:33 PM
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-lawmakers-unveil-bipartisan-bid-ban-chinas-tiktok-2022-12-13/
Lawmakers consider banning Communist China's society destroying spyware. Good. Another thing Trump was (unfortunately) right about.You claim you're concerned about China changing American values and yet you're advocating for copying China by having the state block things it doesn't like instead of continuing the free internet America has championed.Not disputing the spyware label, but what makes Tik Tok "society destroying" in comparison to other social media networks?
China literally uses an algorithm to promote certain things on amercan tik tok. It's very sexual to the point where if you download the app you'll see questionable things. It has a societal effect that affects young people and China is choosing specific topics to make them seem cool to young people. It takes certain things like gender wars and race wars and puts them to the forefront. It's being cursted to be like this. Meanwhile China's TikTok is overwhelmingly positive. It's like this by design and it's not only spyware but also a way for communist China to get inside Americans heads and change our values.
I agree. But I'm not sure what the solution is.
I guess one consideration in light of our non American friends here is that America can't possibly complain about China spying on our citizens when we've done the same to the rest of the world for the last decade through our own social media companies.
Therefore, for egalitarianism, despite whatever ills TikTok has maybe we should leave it alone lest we prick our own toe and have our own look in the mirror.
Potato and Jorma are absolutely correct that this is America Spider-Man pointing at China for doing absolutely the same exact fucking thing. Internet imperialism for me not for thee.
Government truly is awful but sometimes I don't know what to think about threats of other nations' governments. Do we need government to supercede the prostrations of other governments? But that just results in more government. I don't know, Benji.
Post by: Nintex on December 14, 2022, 05:28:36 PM
:pika
Post by: Tasty on December 14, 2022, 05:37:35 PM
Post by: Occam on December 14, 2022, 05:40:24 PM
Post by: Nintex on December 14, 2022, 05:42:14 PM
Post by: james on December 14, 2022, 06:03:55 PM
Post by: benjipwns on December 14, 2022, 06:07:26 PM
I agree. But I'm not sure what the solution is.The solution is pretty simple. The government doesn't oppress its own people out of fear that foreigners might have good ideas so persuasive that the people decide to change their minds about how they want to run their own government. It's not consent of the governed if the people are forced to "consent" in only one way.
I guess one consideration in light of our non American friends here is that America can't possibly complain about China spying on our citizens when we've done the same to the rest of the world for the last decade through our own social media companies.
Therefore, for egalitarianism, despite whatever ills TikTok has maybe we should leave it alone lest we prick our own toe and have our own look in the mirror.
Potato and Jorma are absolutely correct that this is America Spider-Man pointing at China for doing absolutely the same exact fucking thing. Internet imperialism for me not for thee.
Government truly is awful but sometimes I don't know what to think about threats of other nations' governments. Do we need government to supercede the prostrations of other governments? But that just results in more government. I don't know, Benji.
Post by: james on December 14, 2022, 06:49:01 PM
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The Indiana law that lets citizens shoot copshttps://theweek.com/articles/474702/indiana-law-that-lets-citizens-shoot-cops?amp=
The Hoosier State now allows people to use deadly force to keep public servants from illegally entering their homes or cars. Police, of course, are not pleased
It authorizes people to protect themselves or their property by using deadly force in response to "unlawful intrusion" by a "public servant." The measure is essentially just a public-servant-specific amendment to the state's 2006 so-called Castle Doctrine bill, which allows people to do whatever they have to to stop someone from illegally entering a home or car. Indiana is reportedly the first state to specifically allow the use of force against police. The new rule was passed with a nudge from the National Rifle Association, which has pushed permissive gun laws around the country.
Post by: Occam on December 14, 2022, 06:51:43 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/taiwan-china-disinformation-propaganda-russian-influence/672453/
Post by: james on December 14, 2022, 06:57:05 PM
There's an interesting article about Chinese disinformation, and how successful it is
Is it? Nobody takes the Benji account seriously
Post by: Occam on December 14, 2022, 07:01:29 PM
Post by: Nintex on December 14, 2022, 07:01:36 PM
Post by: james on December 14, 2022, 07:19:24 PM
The article is about China trying to free speech Taiwan into wanting to give up democracy and join the mainland.
Im not going to click the link to a fascist magazine
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2022, 07:52:15 PM
:doge
Post by: BIONIC on December 14, 2022, 08:10:56 PM
Post by: Potato on December 14, 2022, 08:25:26 PM
There's an interesting article about Chinese disinformation, and how successful it is:The Chinese government has had to run its own people over with tanks and put millions into concentration camps to ensure they are not deposed by people demanding democratic rights. A whole island of 23 million people is willing to fight a nation of 1.5 billion to not be subsumed into the communist system. I'd say the Chinese aren't that great at propaganda to be honest.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/taiwan-china-disinformation-propaganda-russian-influence/672453/
Post by: benjipwns on December 14, 2022, 10:09:47 PM
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2022, 11:15:11 PM
Really good points from Benji and Potato
Post by: zomgee on December 15, 2022, 11:33:26 AM
https://twitter.com/GBalloutine/status/1603152891816050689 (https://twitter.com/GBalloutine/status/1603152891816050689)
:pika
The major announcement? Digital trading cards.
Post by: Nintex on December 15, 2022, 11:51:35 AM
:dead
Post by: BIONIC on December 15, 2022, 11:53:59 AM
Post by: james on December 15, 2022, 12:05:03 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 15, 2022, 12:32:42 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 15, 2022, 12:37:46 PM
Post by: Nintex on December 15, 2022, 12:58:28 PM
"One of the prices is a dinner with me, I'm not sure if that's an amazing price but that's what we have" :dead
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The Trump Digital Trading Cards are randomly generated and delivered, so you won't know which card you receive until you check your wallet after purchase. There are hundreds of different cards featuring President Trump, each with its own rarity. No more than 20 copies exist of any single card. Only 45,000 total cards exist in this series.
NFT lootbox :titus
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 15, 2022, 01:18:11 PM
Post by: Nintex on December 15, 2022, 01:20:15 PM
Trump outs himself as a champion of free speech. :doge
Post by: james on December 15, 2022, 02:32:27 PM
Or you can win golf...without Trump lol
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 15, 2022, 03:29:02 PM
You can win a diner with Trump
Eric and Don Jr should enter.
Post by: jorma on December 15, 2022, 05:54:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeUH90coXSI
"One of the prices is a dinner with me, I'm not sure if that's an amazing price but that's what we have" :deadQuoteThe Trump Digital Trading Cards are randomly generated and delivered, so you won't know which card you receive until you check your wallet after purchase. There are hundreds of different cards featuring President Trump, each with its own rarity. No more than 20 copies exist of any single card. Only 45,000 total cards exist in this series.
NFT lootbox :titus
so if you have a spare 4.5 million dollars lying about you could either buy
a) 45.000 digital images of donald trump
or
b) resetera.com
seems like two equally great opportunities and james investing ltd is probably already out there trying to secure the funding
Post by: james on December 15, 2022, 07:47:47 PM
Post by: Occam on December 16, 2022, 05:20:01 AM
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7vjx8/almost-twice-as-many-republicans-died-from-covid-before-the-midterms-than-democrats
Post by: Nintex on December 16, 2022, 11:07:51 AM
:trumps
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 16, 2022, 11:39:03 AM
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2022, 01:13:24 PM
Trump outs himself as a champion of free speech. :dogeI ain't watching nearly seven minutes from a guy who never has supported free speech before to find out a "policy proposal" from a guy who has never done policy proposals before.
Post by: Nintex on December 16, 2022, 02:10:36 PM
I agree, it seems very off brand for the MAGA hat guy to do 7 minute policy videos :snoreTrump outs himself as a champion of free speech. :dogeI ain't watching nearly seven minutes from a guy who never has supported free speech before to find out a "policy proposal" from a guy who has never done policy proposals before.
Post by: Uncle on December 16, 2022, 04:42:48 PM
https://twitter.com/NancyMace/status/1603051111757250560
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2022, 04:45:52 PM
Post by: Nintex on December 16, 2022, 05:31:39 PM
"Allow me to provide the context m'lady *tips fedora*, it was obviously just a minecraft role play" :smug
Post by: Potato on December 16, 2022, 09:55:31 PM
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2022, 07:23:51 AM
Almost twice as many Republicans died from Covid than Democrats, study says
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7vjx8/almost-twice-as-many-republicans-died-from-covid-before-the-midterms-than-democrats
Shooting your foot. Probably played out against them in the midterms and since their biggest voting bloc is old ..well...
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2022, 07:25:51 AM
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1602723204207886342
https://twitter.com/NancyMace/status/1603051111757250560
FUCKK YESSSS
Humble the gender cult yesss
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2022, 10:04:53 PM
Title: The Left’s Fever Is Breaking
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It’s no secret that many left-wing activist groups and nonprofits, roiled by the reckonings over sexual harassment and racial justice of the past few years, have become internally dysfunctional.
In June the Intercept’s Ryan Grim wrote about the toll that staff revolts and ideologically inflected psychodramas were taking on the work: “It’s hard to find a Washington-based progressive organization that hasn’t been in tumult, or isn’t currently in tumult.” Privately, I’ve heard countless people on the professional left — especially those over, say, 35 — bemoan the irrational demands and manipulative dogmatism of some younger colleagues. But with a few exceptions, like the brave reproductive justice leader Loretta Ross, most don’t want to go on the record. Not surprisingly, many of Grim’s sources in the nonprofit world were anonymous.
That’s why the decision by Maurice Mitchell, the national director of the progressive Working Families Party, to speak out about the left’s self-sabotaging impulse is so significant. Mitchell, who has roots in the Black Lives Matter movement, has a great deal of credibility; he can’t be dismissed as a dinosaur threatened by identity politics. But as the head of an organization with a very practical devotion to building electoral power, he has a sharp critique of the way some on the left deploy identity as a trump card. “Identity and position are misused to create a doom loop that can lead to unnecessary ruptures of our political vehicles and the shuttering of vital movement spaces,” he wrote last month in a 6,000-word examination of the fallacies and rhetorical traps plaguing activist culture.
More here: https://archive.ph/6DwjS#selection-551.0-575.65
(https://i.imgur.com/zlciCFS.gif)
On a more positive note, despite this I truly feel that this could be the Democratic Party's decade. They've already won 2020 and turned around a red wave in 2022. If GOP runs Trump they'll win that too and probably take the House and Senate in a greater margin. This could very much be a decade of Democratic rule. I can very much see Dems taking the house in 2024. Thing is, they could take these victories and see them as "people like what we are doing and want us to go more left!" or "by God people really hate Trump, let's take advantage of that and go to the center to keep moderates".
Meanwhile the left seppuku's themselves like they always do because leftism is inherently broken and morally bankrupt. The question is: who will the Dems run in 2028 if they win 2024? Biden has to run in 24. Can't be Kamala and Biden's victories for his flock should give him the case he's the only option for re-election.
Everybody wins!
Except leftists.
And Trump. Dudes poll numbers were already low before he met up with Kanye Nazi West and Nick Nazi Fuentes or "lets suspend the constitution" and we are only two years into this decade.
Here's a link to the 6000 word excellent essay she references in her article.
https://forgeorganizing.org/article/building-resilient-organizations
Activist culture. Patooey.
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2022, 05:36:14 AM
https://archive.ph/bSiiE
Unfortunately the journalism quality is C or D at best. They'll have some shuck and jive black Democrat chair make a claim with authority but don't present the black Republican counter to that Democrats words and claims. Still worth a read for perspectives.
Post by: Nintex on December 18, 2022, 07:33:26 AM
The voting data shows that married couples vote Republican/Conservative, nearly all single women vote Democrat and single men tend to be Republican/Conservative.
However the edge the Democrats have in the single women bracket is much bigger than the Republicans do among single men.
Let's say we have Malcolm a 33 y/o software engineer who is dating a 29 y/o teacher called Taylor.
"Babe, the mail-in ballots just came in"
"Ok...." *call of duty noises*
"ARE YOU PLAYING VIDEO GAMES AGAIN?"
"Just a sec babe, I'll be down in a minute"
"MALCOM GET DOWN HERE NOW WE NEED TO SAVE DEMOCRACY"
This is the second piece of the puzzle. The WAPO/NYT news rooms consist almost entirely of women. When you read the drivel they write they almost read like Netflix shows or have this focus on how everybody felt as opposed to more practical things.
The idea that Democracy is under Attack or the Climate is dying resonates with them. To them it's more scary than a terrorist with a gun or not being able to afford gas.
They will lose their ability to vote and to make decisions or the climate dies which means all the cute animals are gone?
Women drive 70-80% of all consumer purchasing decisions. For cars for example it's 65%. They usually decide based on things like color, space and safety too. Not horse power and loud engine noises. Elon masterstroke was to design a car that's both sustainable and cool. "If we buy this car we save the planet baby" is a powerful argument. Let's continue our story.
"Sorry babe... I'm here, how can I help"
"We MUST vote Malcolm"
"Oh yeah, I'm voting next week for sure. I'll head to the ballot box as always after work"
"WE MUST VOTE NOW MALCOLM. REMEMBER WHEN YOU FORGOT TO VOTE IN 2016?"
With mail-in ballots people living together in a house can no longer vote anonymously. Not voting is also a real issue. Something might come up on voting day. That's another vote lost.
On the flip side Malcolm may have voted for Trump in 2016, there's no way for his girlfriend to know because he voted in person on election day. 2020 and 2022? Very different stories.
"Ok... I voted... THANK GOD. I'm taking them to the ballot box tommorow! Make sure that WE are the first! So who did you vote for Malcolm?"
For women, being the first is usually important too. So early voting and mail-in voting is a very powerful tool that the Democrats have. Just look at birthdays. Who is there first? The couples or the single women. Seldom will you attend a birthday and find that the single men invited showed up first. They usually show up last. The only time men do show up first is when there is instant gratification. For example being the first to watch a movie premiere or being the first to pick up a deal on Black Friday. Something abstract like voting that won't 'pay out' until 3 months later when the new congress or house or whatever is in session is not something men will rush for. They will show up eventually but they don't care if they're the first or last voter. Look at voter lines too, late in the day voting lines are almost all men. Voting because they had other shit to do earlier that day. The first voters on the scene? Especially when the candidate is voting too? Nearly all women.
"Well.. you know... I was kinda thinking it over. I mean, I like both candidates but I'm worried that if these gas prices keep...."
"WHAT? ARE YOU SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING TO VOTE FOR A RACIST NAZI?"
"No? What? Me? Haha, of course not. I'm just saying that I also think Democracy is important and we have these choices but I'm voting a straight blue ticket as always"
"THANK GOD, my friend Suzy, you know her right? She was like dating this guy and it all went well and [blah blah blah] and then he listened to Joe Rogan and he totally RADICALIZED"
You even see this effect with co-workers. Women don't feel safe among 'gamer culture' or whatever else they call it.
"I won't talk to person X anymore if they vote Y" is a thing mostly women say. Men usually say something like: "LOL that dumbass voted for Y"
Remember how the boss of PlayStation was nearly cancelled for just celebrating his cats birthday during the Roe v. Wade controversy?
The Republicans are consistently barking up the wrong trees. The Hunter Biden laptop for example isn't going to stick because guys don't care about that type of celebrity gossip, the son's President doing drugs, making money and banging a bunch of prostitutes ultimately is just that. Democrats on the other hand just feed their voters the comfort food. Putting Obama back on the stand who their female voters adore for example.
So why doesn't the Hunter story works to repel female voters? Simple. First they find that he's attractive and second a lot of women are attracted or interested in bad boys and Hunter Biden fits that description. He's sort of like the dreamy rebel prince at Biden's court.
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2022, 10:59:15 AM
I'm well aware of news rooms and jschools being full of women.
The good news is that conservatives will win the game in the end. Democrats aren't procreating and will be even more single in ten years while being pathetic enough to say,"I don't want to have children because of climate change" while traditional people are all about continuing the human race and passing on our line. Thankfully feminism could die out simply because they got independent enough to not have children. Whoopsies.
Thankfully many women are coming off the birth control pill too. So things might balance out eventually.
Post by: Nintex on December 18, 2022, 01:32:52 PM
The divide being between men and women is true but eh.Conservatives won't win the game because a lot of people know that the 'culture' issues aren't resolved at the ballot box. On that front Trump didn't move the needle one bit. It only started to move after he was out of office.
I'm well aware of news rooms and jschools being full of women.
The good news is that conservatives will win the game in the end. Democrats aren't procreating and will be even more single in ten years while being pathetic enough to say,"I don't want to have children because of climate change" while traditional people are all about continuing the human race and passing on our line. Thankfully feminism could die out simply because they got independent enough to not have children. Whoopsies.
Thankfully many women are coming off the birth control pill too. So things might balance out eventually.
As long as Democrats have the people on lock that are highly motivated to vote and vote early there isn't much the Republicans can do to make up for it.
Trump vindicated on Russiagate, Hunter's laptop, Putin invading Ukraine, high gas prices, insane inflation, supply chains in tatters, COVID lockdowns and insane corruption. All not enough to win an election.
Conservatives also make things too convoluted. The Democrats are saying it openly: "People didn't know what inflation was and suddenly it's a thing" :smug
Meanwhile Biden keeps things very, very simple. He just goes to open up a factory and says that the economy is doing great and that Putin will regret whatever it is he is doing.
In most of his appearances the basic message is the same: "This is all too difficult for you just let uncle Joe handle it"
For a lot of people the conservative arguments are simply too exhausting and complex. The Democrats make things easy because they learned from Trump 2016 and Obama that's how you win.
Trump's 2024 campaign seemingly convinced him to read out 7 minute policy videos that no one will care about. Likewise this is why January 6th doesn't stick. It's too difficult for the masses.
I don't know what the GOP policy on Ukraine is. It's a mixture of support but also negotiation and having other countries step up the plate blah blah blah.
The position of the Democrats is easy to understand: "Send more weapons to defeat Putin".
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2022, 01:47:40 PM
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2022, 02:13:00 AM
Free with purchase:
https://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes/status/1604672592119361536
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2022, 04:31:39 AM
https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1603123298530779139
https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1603413524427874304
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2022, 07:32:19 AM
NY GOP Representative elect falsified his resume lmao
Post by: Occam on December 19, 2022, 02:27:44 PM
The committee accused the former president of inciting insurrection and other federal crimes as it referred him to the Justice Department, which does not have to act on its recommendations.
(NYT)
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on December 19, 2022, 02:39:45 PM
Post by: Nintex on December 19, 2022, 03:13:06 PM
Post by: Nintex on December 19, 2022, 05:43:14 PM
Trump -> Climate Change -> Putin -> COVID -> ISIS -> Dick Cheney -> Saddam -> Al Qaida -> 9/11 -> Serb Nationalists -> Islamic Republic of Iran -> Richard Nixon -> Communist China -> The Vietcong -> Lee Harvey Oswald -> Nuclear Missiles in Cuba -> The KKK -> Soviet Union -> The Imperial Japanese fleet commanded by Admiral Yamamoto -> Literally the Nazi's -> Kaiser Wilhelm II -> The plague
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2022, 05:59:29 PM
The vast majority of black men voted for Stacy Abrams whereas nearly 70% of white women voted for Kemp. Yet pre-election, there were at least two articles a month claiming black men were refusing to support a black woman due to misogyny. We even got this gem:
https://twitter.com/WokePreacherTV/status/1589653707838615552
We are now weeks past the election. Despite black men voting overwhelmingly for Abrams there hasn't been a single apology from chaos peddlers who pit black men against black women on purpose to sow discord. And no one is saying shit about the white women who rejected Abrams? Why? Because white women fund all of this shit. Most of these activists, "professors" and influencers are directly tied to white intersectional feminism funding. They won't call out white women because white women sign the checks.
Black men are the most liberal, progressive, "woke" voters in this country by a mile. Yet every 2-4 years the same black people - mainly black women activists - are trotted out to shit on black men and suggest we're the problem. And when we vote the way we always vote - and white women vote the way they always vote - these activists suddenly disappear into the shadows. Funny how that works.
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2022, 06:41:45 PM
https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1604924447210688512 (https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1604924447210688512)This is interesting framing because when I think of the Civil War in the context of an "attack on democracy" I think of all those people Lincoln had held by the military without trial for criticizing him despite the continued functioning of the courts along with conscription. :hmm
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I'd argue a President murdering Americans without trial while spying on Americans (not to mention Congress) then lying about all of this would be more of an attack on democracy any of this nonsense she's talking about. :american
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Post by: Himu on December 19, 2022, 06:42:50 PM
We literally just had an election where the black male vote did what it always does...vote overwhemingly for democrats, including female democrat candidates. Instead of focusing on statistical noise or finding ways to spin an argument beyond "we've gone from universal democrat support to near universal support" there's a bigger story here that no one is talking about: how come white women still vote predominantly for republicans, and why won't anyone bring that up?
The vast majority of black men voted for Stacy Abrams whereas nearly 70% of white women voted for Kemp. Yet pre-election, there were at least two articles a month claiming black men were refusing to support a black woman due to misogyny. We even got this gem:
https://twitter.com/WokePreacherTV/status/1589653707838615552
We are now weeks past the election. Despite black men voting overwhelmingly for Abrams there hasn't been a single apology from chaos peddlers who pit black men against black women on purpose to sow discord. And no one is saying shit about the white women who rejected Abrams? Why? Because white women fund all of this shit. Most of these activists, "professors" and influencers are directly tied to white intersectional feminism funding. They won't call out white women because white women sign the checks.
Black men are the most liberal, progressive, "woke" voters in this country by a mile. Yet every 2-4 years the same black people - mainly black women activists - are trotted out to shit on black men and suggest we're the problem. And when we vote the way we always vote - and white women vote the way they always vote - these activists suddenly disappear into the shadows. Funny how that works.
I see you're anti-black woman activists trashing the black community too. We've finally found something in common again. This is also the first time I've seen you take a go at intersectional feminism, "professors", and influencer activist grifters. I like this. I like this a lot. More of this, PD. More!
Why can't we talk to see what have in common anymore?
What are your thoughts on activism becoming en vogue? In NY, when I left I gave tours to my apartment so they could take it over after my lease expired. I gave several interviews along with my roommates. Everyone, particularly women, without fail mentioned some social activist activity they were doing and how much they cared even though it had nothing to do with them taking my room. Has activism, especially among a certain type of black woman, become a personality trait to you? This is overwhelmingly on the Democratic side of things. What are your thoughts on it?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2022, 07:27:26 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on December 19, 2022, 07:56:30 PM
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2022, 08:08:23 PM
I was talking to a lady (not black) the other week about how I was in black teen organization as an adolescent and how routinely disregarded black men were. Here we have an organization called Jack and Jill and fathers weren't a part of the organization, only mothers. This was a middle class organization, by the way, which means the vast majority of us had fathers in our lives. In fact, every single person in my chapter except one had fathers married to their mothers, and that one person's mother had a divorce and he was still involved in her life. One year we had our annual conference during father's day weekend. Imagine being a boy and being told you have a diminished role within your own community. I told her this and she said black men are absentee fathers and all this sexist, racist mess despite me telling her that's a class issue and I'm not of that class. Jack and Jill never got fathers involved as part of their org and still hasn't: it's just a giant woman's club.
To me intersectional appears to be the end game of feminism and if it is, why continue to identify as a feminist when it has done catastrophic harm? Feminism tends to grow in waves. Do you think the next wave of feminism will be more moderate? It seems to be getting only more extreme thanks to social media. So how do you reconcile still identifying being a feminist when intersectional is the definition of feminism these days? This isn't the feminism of our youth which was pretty reasonable and rationale. Do you expect them to moderate or do you think this is a trend that will dissipate? No feminist has managed to precisely curate how I, as a black man, benefit from a patriarchy.
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Black men being told they cannot lead because black women are more worthy.
I hate this so much.
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2022, 08:13:12 PM
I've considered myself a feminist my whole life but intersectional feminism has taken up the core message of feminism for the past decade that I'm not sure it's worth labeling oneself as a feminist without push back. To be true, women's rights are important, but when it morphs into some radical behavior of hierarchy that displaces straight black men - a historically denigrated group - as oppressors I'm going to question my ties to it.You keep doing this, you're allowing others to control the definition of things and then turning against the things because of the people who identify that way.
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To me intersectional appears to be the end game of feminism and if it is, why continue to identify as a feminist when it has done catastrophic harm? Feminism tends to grow in waves. Do you think the next wave of feminism will be more moderate? It seems to be getting only more extreme thanks to social media. So how do you reconcile still identifying being a feminist when intersectional is the definition of feminism these days? This isn't the feminism of our youth which was pretty reasonable and rationale
If intersectional feminism betrays the tenets of feminism (assume so for the sake of the argument) it doesn't follow to dismiss feminism, only those falsely claiming the label. If you support the tenets then it behooves you to defend the tenets against phony usurpers rather than to grant them the authority those tenets convey that they betray.
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2022, 08:18:19 PM
I've considered myself a feminist my whole life but intersectional feminism has taken up the core message of feminism for the past decade that I'm not sure it's worth labeling oneself as a feminist without push back. To be true, women's rights are important, but when it morphs into some radical behavior of hierarchy that displaces straight black men - a historically denigrated group - as oppressors I'm going to question my ties to it.You keep doing this, you're allowing others to control the definition of things and then turning against the things because of the people who identify that way.
...
To me intersectional appears to be the end game of feminism and if it is, why continue to identify as a feminist when it has done catastrophic harm? Feminism tends to grow in waves. Do you think the next wave of feminism will be more moderate? It seems to be getting only more extreme thanks to social media. So how do you reconcile still identifying being a feminist when intersectional is the definition of feminism these days? This isn't the feminism of our youth which was pretty reasonable and rationale
If intersectional feminism betrays the tenets of feminism (assume so for the sake of the argument) it doesn't follow to dismiss feminism, only those falsely claiming the label. If you support the tenets then it behooves you to defend the tenets against phony usurpers rather than to grant them the authority those tenets convey that they betray.
That's a fair point. I tend to throw my support behind certain things such as the Iran protests or France mistreating Muslim women, rather than labeling myself a feminist which in my opinion has become tainted. As a man, too, why should I identify as a feminist? That's a woman thing and that's their movement.
At the heart of it, I'm still a bleeding heart and I still care about women's issues. I just don't think there's merit in identifying with the label of feminism in 2022. What are men getting out of it?
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on December 19, 2022, 08:19:47 PM
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As a man, too, why should I identify as a feminist? That's a woman thing.
I was waiting for this sentence, verbatim from you.
:neogaf
Youre so fucking lost.
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2022, 08:22:18 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on December 19, 2022, 08:24:21 PM
You need a god to help you find a way.
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2022, 08:27:52 PM
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2022, 08:32:17 PM
Well, identifying as something isn't as important as actually being it. But think about radical feminists, especially of the TERF variety like Jane Clare Jones, they see the importance of defending their version of feminism because they think feminism is actually important. They care about the label because it's become seen as a signifier of "good" but really their dispute and their passion is about the ideas, any chagrin about the label being "stolen" is because they think those claiming it are betraying the ideals. Nobody wants to give up something just because someone else has come along and claimed it especially when they don't seem to actually care about the subject enough to learn about it. Think about anything else like fans not liking movies not being true to the book or comic, console gamers looking down on mobile gamers, music fans criticizing fans of newer artists, etc. Ideas and philosophies are no different. That's why you have to expose and kill the revisionists rather than let them take control of the revolution.
Hm I've never thought of it like that. Thank you for the perspective. How could I continue to fight these revisionists while being true to myself if it feels like they control the narrative? To turn it around a bit, when I said feminism is a woman thing I mean in the strictest of terms that it's their movement. If so, why should it behoove me to fight for the feminism that I believe in if it's not my movement? I guess the best answer would be,"feminism isn't going away." Another could be because "it's the right thing to do". I guess that's what gets white people motivated for fighting for black issues.
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2022, 08:42:14 PM
You're a Muslim, think about Shia and Shiites, neither side gives up Islam because the other dude and a whole bunch of other dudes is totally wrong about Islam.
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2022, 08:50:02 PM
I think that would depend on the extent of your belief in feminism. Like if someone said "I'm a feminist, all women should be strapped in and bred like cows" you'd object to their claim right? If someone says the latter part and you ask "how can you say that?" and they say "because I'm a feminist" then you're definitely going to dispute that. Just because a whole bunch of other people are also doing this isn't reason for you to get shaky about your hold on what feminism means.
You're a Muslim, think about Shia and Shiites, neither side gives up Islam because the other dude and a whole bunch of other dudes is totally wrong about Islam.
Good points. With Islam, since America isn't a Muslim nation, we come to the conclusion that,"they're Muslims. We disagree, but they're Muslim." I'd struggle to make to make that kind of concession with intersectional feminism the same way I am with Shia's. At least with Shia's I can still go to a Shia masjid and pray even if we disagree. I struggle to find any such commonalities with intersectional feminists.
That said, I'm open to trying. I feel like I'm betraying myself being anti-feminist because it has always been so important to me.
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2022, 10:31:15 PM
Good points. With Islam, since America isn't a Muslim nation, we come to the conclusion that,"they're Muslims. We disagree, but they're Muslim." I'd struggle to make to make that kind of concession with intersectional feminism the same way I am with Shia's. At least with Shia's I can still go to a Shia masjid and pray even if we disagree. I struggle to find any such commonalities with intersectional feminists.Well, the goal. I think you normally have to accept that people really do want the goals they say even if they're going about it completely in the wrong way or even in a way that guarantees failure. Like the Muslims have the shared goal of heaven (I assume, I'm trying to be general and broad here), all the "feminists" would want equality for women presumably. Plus when you start defining God or morality or equality or women, people are going to disagree. Take the abortion debate for example, people really struggle about the other side from them truly believing it's a violation of rights, so they have to construct some crazy theory about their secret TRUE goals of enslaving women or eating baby parts or whatever. Even me trying to be evenhanded in this way is going to trigger at least one person who will read this and be like "BUT THEY ACTUALLY DO BELIEVE THAT" because we often want to believe goals are legitimate so we must seek another way to delegitimize their views.
This is one reason I'm big on pointing out when someones position fails on its own terms. Like if you're pro-life and arguing that any woman who gets an abortion should be put to death, I'm kinda missing the point if I'm trying to convince you to be pro-choice rather than just not stupid by your own standards. I think this is a lot of the core failure embedded in many of the intersectional stances aside from whether or not I agree with some of their other aspects.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on December 20, 2022, 09:13:44 AM
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Now they say it’s up to Attorney General Merrick Garland or Department of Justice special counsel Jack Smith to investigate or indict Trump, but they’re not waving federal prosecutors off from prosecuting the former president.
“The entire nation knows who is responsible for that day,” McConnell said in a statement, pointing the finger squarely at Trump in response to the House Jan. 6 committee referring four criminal charges against Trump to the Justice Department.
lol
Post by: Occam on December 20, 2022, 10:51:45 AM
Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2022, 12:02:39 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on December 20, 2022, 12:19:39 PM
Marjorie Taylor Greene and Laura Boebert are fighting.
:whew
Post by: Nintex on December 20, 2022, 03:55:06 PM
"No people inside, keep rooms empty" :hmph
This is one topic where I disagree on with some of my fellow conservatives.
But it seems that there's a shift as most people see this as a positive thing.
Post by: Himu on December 20, 2022, 07:10:55 PM
Good points. With Islam, since America isn't a Muslim nation, we come to the conclusion that,"they're Muslims. We disagree, but they're Muslim." I'd struggle to make to make that kind of concession with intersectional feminism the same way I am with Shia's. At least with Shia's I can still go to a Shia masjid and pray even if we disagree. I struggle to find any such commonalities with intersectional feminists.Well, the goal. I think you normally have to accept that people really do want the goals they say even if they're going about it completely in the wrong way or even in a way that guarantees failure. Like the Muslims have the shared goal of heaven (I assume, I'm trying to be general and broad here), all the "feminists" would want equality for women presumably. Plus when you start defining God or morality or equality or women, people are going to disagree. Take the abortion debate for example, people really struggle about the other side from them truly believing it's a violation of rights, so they have to construct some crazy theory about their secret TRUE goals of enslaving women or eating baby parts or whatever. Even me trying to be evenhanded in this way is going to trigger at least one person who will read this and be like "BUT THEY ACTUALLY DO BELIEVE THAT" because we often want to believe goals are legitimate so we must seek another way to delegitimize their views.
This is one reason I'm big on pointing out when someones position fails on its own terms. Like if you're pro-life and arguing that any woman who gets an abortion should be put to death, I'm kinda missing the point if I'm trying to convince you to be pro-choice rather than just not stupid by your own standards. I think this is a lot of the core failure embedded in many of the intersectional stances aside from whether or not I agree with some of their other aspects.
Well met and well reasoned. Yeah, people (even me) will go into histrionics about what "the other side" is doing because we legitimately cannot understand their viewpoint. I have this towards Democrats and gun ownership. As to how it relates to feminism, I can understand their goal is for "equality" for women, but they're definitely going about it in a horrific, toxic manner that will only lead to backlash. I thought about it and you're right in that if you let people define what you believe in and let it go, it gives them the power to define x thing however they want. By intersectional feminists pushing away regular everyday feminists of old they're actually taking over the feminist label and definition to be exclusively theirs. That's not good.
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 20, 2022, 07:16:16 PM
omg
https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1603123298530779139
https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1603413524427874304
Security of Information Comission (sic)
Post by: Tasty on December 21, 2022, 12:24:14 AM
Marjorie Taylor Greene and Laura Boebert are fighting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxp509wQFs8
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 02:19:13 AM
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/12/20/taliban-says-women-banned-from-universities-in-afghanistan
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 02:56:10 AM
It is glorious. The GOP Civil War. Finally here.
Post by: Nintex on December 21, 2022, 03:17:45 AM
This war will go thermonuclear
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1605376162460729344 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1605376162460729344)
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 05:08:09 AM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2022, 09:34:40 AM
I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of this shit has replaced black power and/or black nationalist ideals. Think about the conversations and goals that were once priorities. Black independence, black businesses, pan Africanism etc. Now we've got movements more interested in protesting police brutality by twerking. While doing everything in their power to push as many black men out of movements as possible. That can't be a coincidence in this country. There's a clear agenda at work when dysfunction and resentment are being promoted between black men and black women. There's a clear agenda at work when black women are positioned as the image/spokesman for obesity - when they're also the people most likely to die of heart failure/hypertension/etc. Some wild shit is going on right now.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on December 21, 2022, 09:51:46 AM
I think feminism is important in the sense that any struggle for equal rights is important. My issue is solely with intersectional feminism and the mental goal posts it shifts for people. Not to mention the threat it poses to black boys and black men when your teacher, doctor, therapist, etc essentially views you as inhuman or a natural predator that needs to be neutered (or worse). We've got a lot of women who love Bell Hooks and that alone is a problem. I'm not going to exaggerate and claim this is a majority or even close to it. But it's enough to cause problems when they enter academia.
I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of this shit has replaced black power and/or black nationalist ideals. Think about the conversations and goals that were once priorities. Black independence, black businesses, pan Africanism etc. Now we've got movements more interested in protesting police brutality by twerking. While doing everything in their power to push as many black men out of movements as possible. That can't be a coincidence in this country. There's a clear agenda at work when dysfunction and resentment are being promoted between black men and black women. There's a clear agenda at work when black women are positioned as the image/spokesman for obesity - when they're also the people most likely to die of heart failure/hypertension/etc. Some wild shit is going on right now.
I'm gonna preface this, I'm latinx(lol).
What I've seen happen, I deal with alot of small businesses doing this and that for them.
The increase of women who are POC in the past five years has been big.
To attribute this to feminism pushing out male POC voices is kind of...gross to be honest.
POC males basking in the side effect of patriarchy doesn't mean that colored males are being pushed aside. It means that they need to step up.
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While doing everything in their power to push as many black men out of movements as possible.
Because there's a perverse taught in action to not let women get ahead.
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 10:15:04 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on December 21, 2022, 10:24:29 AM
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 10:32:48 AM
I think feminism is important in the sense that any struggle for equal rights is important. My issue is solely with intersectional feminism and the mental goal posts it shifts for people. Not to mention the threat it poses to black boys and black men when your teacher, doctor, therapist, etc essentially views you as inhuman or a natural predator that needs to be neutered (or worse). We've got a lot of women who love Bell Hooks and that alone is a problem. I'm not going to exaggerate and claim this is a majority or even close to it. But it's enough to cause problems when they enter academia.
I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of this shit has replaced black power and/or black nationalist ideals. Think about the conversations and goals that were once priorities. Black independence, black businesses, pan Africanism etc. Now we've got movements more interested in protesting police brutality by twerking. While doing everything in their power to push as many black men out of movements as possible. That can't be a coincidence in this country. There's a clear agenda at work when dysfunction and resentment are being promoted between black men and black women. There's a clear agenda at work when black women are positioned as the image/spokesman for obesity - when they're also the people most likely to die of heart failure/hypertension/etc. Some wild shit is going on right now.
The only one continuing this discussion in the old traditional way is Dr. Umar, who can't entirely be taken seriously. Often, all he does is just talk really loudly. Then there's, to a lesser extent when he was alive, Kevin Samuels. But even KS worked wayyyy too hard on black women because it was profitable to do so. Bro I've been talking to sisters and a lot of us agree that the black community was NEVER like this when we were coming up. It's like there's powers that be splitting the community in two, and it feels untenable at this point. That said, these forces have kind of always been there with The Color Purple, or how "black men ain't shit", and stuff like that growing up. It was just more scattered and mixed in with more portrayals of positivity within the community, but it still existed just in bites and pieces.
But yeah, the black woman taking the mantle of dysfunction (twerking for senate)
https://youtu.be/ZqMIlfDfKlk
Has not gone unnoticed. Black women's image is in the toilet and has lost every shred of class it used to have. We went to Claire Huxtable to this??
I think a lot of this has ties with academia and with women's circles and how these ideas spread.
Right now the only solution I've got is talking to more sisters to find common ground. Run with other brothers and sisters with sense and they'll also notice this has never been the black community and it used to be stronger than this. It really feels like it's dying and it's not a good feeling but I'd start with that, talking to like-minded black people with memories that go past social media, because this constant pushing aside black boys and men, is not ballin.
Do you think this a result of the black middle class dissipating, PD? Do you think this is a class thing? But most of this is coming from college educated women. I don't know how to take it.
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 10:35:04 AM
Did I touch a nerve in your world view?
No you were a dipshit to my friend and his concerns and called his very real observations to be "gross" despite being nothing but an outside observer. Please leave this discussion alone, you are not wanted nor are your views cared for. You are an abscess, a cancer, in it and do not understand what either PD nor I are talking about and going by your responses to both him and me neither do you care to.
Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on December 21, 2022, 10:39:18 AM
e:
When you finally find your god, don't ask for forgiveness.
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 10:49:48 AM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2022, 10:50:31 AM
I think feminism is important in the sense that any struggle for equal rights is important. My issue is solely with intersectional feminism and the mental goal posts it shifts for people. Not to mention the threat it poses to black boys and black men when your teacher, doctor, therapist, etc essentially views you as inhuman or a natural predator that needs to be neutered (or worse). We've got a lot of women who love Bell Hooks and that alone is a problem. I'm not going to exaggerate and claim this is a majority or even close to it. But it's enough to cause problems when they enter academia.
I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of this shit has replaced black power and/or black nationalist ideals. Think about the conversations and goals that were once priorities. Black independence, black businesses, pan Africanism etc. Now we've got movements more interested in protesting police brutality by twerking. While doing everything in their power to push as many black men out of movements as possible. That can't be a coincidence in this country. There's a clear agenda at work when dysfunction and resentment are being promoted between black men and black women. There's a clear agenda at work when black women are positioned as the image/spokesman for obesity - when they're also the people most likely to die of heart failure/hypertension/etc. Some wild shit is going on right now.
I'm gonna preface this, I'm latinx(lol).
What I've seen happen, I deal with alot of small businesses doing this and that for them.
The increase of women who are POC in the past five years has been big.
To attribute this to feminism pushing out male POC voices is kind of...gross to be honest.
POC males basking in the side effect of patriarchy doesn't mean that colored males are being pushed aside. It means that they need to step up.QuoteWhile doing everything in their power to push as many black men out of movements as possible.
Because there's a perverse taught in action to not let women get ahead.
Hold on I said nothing about businesses or employment. I'm talking about activist and community groups, where black male voices are being silenced or ignored and where the idea that black women are more marginalized has become dogma. I'm talking about anti-black men sentiments that are directly tied to intersectionality, and where the "black men are the white men of the community" mantra was birthed. It would certainly be ridiculous to say black men are being pushed out of employment opportunities in the private sector.
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 10:52:22 AM
Frankly that line is probably most offensive. Like, I don't know a single black man I grew up with that can't cook. In my family for instance, we didn't expect women to cook for us. It sure is nice to be cooked for, but we also learned to take care of our own selves. I don't think black men overwhelmingly like want some house slave which is what what that suggests? Where did they even get that black men want complete control over black women? Black men although we are traditional, are pretty hands off. I don't get it.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on December 21, 2022, 11:00:11 AM
I think feminism is important in the sense that any struggle for equal rights is important. My issue is solely with intersectional feminism and the mental goal posts it shifts for people. Not to mention the threat it poses to black boys and black men when your teacher, doctor, therapist, etc essentially views you as inhuman or a natural predator that needs to be neutered (or worse). We've got a lot of women who love Bell Hooks and that alone is a problem. I'm not going to exaggerate and claim this is a majority or even close to it. But it's enough to cause problems when they enter academia.
I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of this shit has replaced black power and/or black nationalist ideals. Think about the conversations and goals that were once priorities. Black independence, black businesses, pan Africanism etc. Now we've got movements more interested in protesting police brutality by twerking. While doing everything in their power to push as many black men out of movements as possible. That can't be a coincidence in this country. There's a clear agenda at work when dysfunction and resentment are being promoted between black men and black women. There's a clear agenda at work when black women are positioned as the image/spokesman for obesity - when they're also the people most likely to die of heart failure/hypertension/etc. Some wild shit is going on right now.
I'm gonna preface this, I'm latinx(lol).
What I've seen happen, I deal with alot of small businesses doing this and that for them.
The increase of women who are POC in the past five years has been big.
To attribute this to feminism pushing out male POC voices is kind of...gross to be honest.
POC males basking in the side effect of patriarchy doesn't mean that colored males are being pushed aside. It means that they need to step up.QuoteWhile doing everything in their power to push as many black men out of movements as possible.
Because there's a perverse taught in action to not let women get ahead.
Hold on I said nothing about businesses or employment. I'm talking about activist and community groups, where black male voices are being silenced or ignored and where the idea that black women are more marginalized has become dogma. I'm talking about anti-black men sentiments that are directly tied to intersectionality, and where the "black men are the white men of the community" mantra was birthed. It would certainly be ridiculous to say black men are being pushed out of employment opportunities in the private sector.
These things don't exist in a vacuum by themselves. Business and politics are hand in hand.
There is a parallel in sexism throughout different races, where men come up on top. No one is "being silenced" black men, white men, latino men, they're being complacent. They are standing still .
There is a vast shift happening with women who realize that, "oh we don't need these assholes" to move upward.
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 11:04:56 AM
And despite that historical imbalance black women are being trained to attack black men despite us not having any such privilege or benefit of patriarchy.
This is why intersectional feminism is a rot. It's too blanket and assumptive.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2022, 11:08:37 AM
Again, I want to go back to the differences in activism. My mom is old enough to remember the Detroit riots, tanks rolling down the street across from her house, and the Black Panthers. She vividly remembers the breakfast programs, community safety measures, urban farming, and other things the BPs introduced in Detroit and other cities. Or the way black entertainers and athletes were directly involved in helping finance these programs, the same way they directly helped finance MLK, Malcolm X, and the civil rights movement earlier. VS the activism of the last 5-10 years which has next to no real community focus. We went from focusing on our own community to begging white people for Oscars and money. We literally just watched BLM raise millions of dollars, spent it on themselves, and barely dole out anything to actual community programs or groups.
The point being, we now have an activist class that is exclusively focused on white people. And it's largely financed by white people (specifically white women). This gives white liberals the opportunity to absolve their sins by donating to "black causes" that ultimately don't do anything. And it allows a certain class of activists to earn a living while peddling the desired talking points. For all the complaining right wingers do about "woke" shit, deep down they are more comfortable with black people twerking in the face of cops, vs the things black people were doing during the black power movements...
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 11:13:12 AM
I definitely think a lot of it is tied to the dismantling of the black middle class, Himu. This is largely a product of dysfunction and a lack of opportunity. At the same time I think hammering victimhood into people's brains from a young age is harmful. This is not an argument against discussing discrimination or racism, both of which still exist and have huge impact on us.
Again, I want to go back to the differences in activism. My mom is old enough to remember the Detroit riots, tanks rolling down the street across from her house, and the Black Panthers. She vividly remembers the breakfast programs, community safety measures, urban farming, and other things the BPs introduced in Detroit and other cities. Or the way black entertainers and athletes were directly involved in helping finance these programs, the same way they directly helped finance MLK, Malcolm X, and the civil rights movement earlier. VS the activism of the last 5-10 years which has next to no real community focus. We went from focusing on our own community to begging white people for Oscars and money. We literally just watched BLM raise millions of dollars, spent it on themselves, and barely dole out anything to actual community programs or groups.
The point being, we now have an activist class that is exclusively focused on white people. And it's largely financed by white people (specifically white women). This gives white liberals the opportunity to absolve their sins by donating to "black causes" that ultimately don't do anything. And it allows a certain class of activists to earn a living while peddling the desired talking points. For all the complaining right wingers do about "woke" shit, deep down they are more comfortable with black people twerking in the face of cops, vs the things black people were doing during the black power movements...
A big reason I've transitioned to GOP is because I just find their mindset to be more freeing. As a black Democrat you're told constantly you're a victim and modern black culture is rife with showering itself with the waters of it. You're this, you're that. It leads to a weak mindset that capitulates on victimhood when let's keep it a buck, black people have been surviving and thriving through far harsher odds in the past.
Especially as a man from Detroit this must especially piss you off. When I went to the D, I had never seen so many black people living in well off houses, nice neighborhoods, and good communities en masse. I find it to be such a positive place to be and I could feel that energy. You're blessed to have been raised around it.
I still devoutly believe in the middle class values you and I were raised on. It's just harrowing to see the shift in culture happen from just twenty years ago.
You and I have talked about this privately how black has become fashion. The BLM activists are pontificating it. For all the shit he gets, and I disagree with a lot he says (flat Earth :beli) but I really admire Kyrie. He has the old black activism in him.
https://www.si.com/nba/nets/news/kyrie-irving-donates-60k-to-nycs-oldest-black-muslim-school
https://nypost.com/2022/12/15/kyrie-irving-donates-22000-to-help-college-student-in-need/
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 11:23:06 AM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-banality-of-blackness.480124/
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2022, 11:23:16 AM
There is no black patriarchy in this country. Black men have never benefited from it, and historically their maleness has been questioned or denied by white supremacy from the minute we landed in this continent.I think feminism is important in the sense that any struggle for equal rights is important. My issue is solely with intersectional feminism and the mental goal posts it shifts for people. Not to mention the threat it poses to black boys and black men when your teacher, doctor, therapist, etc essentially views you as inhuman or a natural predator that needs to be neutered (or worse). We've got a lot of women who love Bell Hooks and that alone is a problem. I'm not going to exaggerate and claim this is a majority or even close to it. But it's enough to cause problems when they enter academia.
I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of this shit has replaced black power and/or black nationalist ideals. Think about the conversations and goals that were once priorities. Black independence, black businesses, pan Africanism etc. Now we've got movements more interested in protesting police brutality by twerking. While doing everything in their power to push as many black men out of movements as possible. That can't be a coincidence in this country. There's a clear agenda at work when dysfunction and resentment are being promoted between black men and black women. There's a clear agenda at work when black women are positioned as the image/spokesman for obesity - when they're also the people most likely to die of heart failure/hypertension/etc. Some wild shit is going on right now.
I'm gonna preface this, I'm latinx(lol).
What I've seen happen, I deal with alot of small businesses doing this and that for them.
The increase of women who are POC in the past five years has been big.
To attribute this to feminism pushing out male POC voices is kind of...gross to be honest.
POC males basking in the side effect of patriarchy doesn't mean that colored males are being pushed aside. It means that they need to step up.QuoteWhile doing everything in their power to push as many black men out of movements as possible.
Because there's a perverse taught in action to not let women get ahead.
Hold on I said nothing about businesses or employment. I'm talking about activist and community groups, where black male voices are being silenced or ignored and where the idea that black women are more marginalized has become dogma. I'm talking about anti-black men sentiments that are directly tied to intersectionality, and where the "black men are the white men of the community" mantra was birthed. It would certainly be ridiculous to say black men are being pushed out of employment opportunities in the private sector.
These things don't exist in a vacuum by themselves. Business and politics are hand in hand.
There is a parallel in sexism throughout different races, where men come up on top. No one is "being silenced" black men, white men, latino men, they're being complacent. They are standing still .
There is a vast shift happening with women who realize that, "oh we don't need these assholes" to move upward.
We gotta stop lumping black men in other groups, I'm talking about a very specific series of issues. Black men are being other-ized and stigmatized by black activists who sound more like white racists than actual white racists. That's a problem and it's stirring division. Nor do I agree the business and political/activist issues are tied together. The issues black men have with employment have nothing to do with black women or feminism, and everything to do with a lack of opportunity. And a lack of ambition/hard work in some cases, to be fair. We need to do better.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on December 21, 2022, 11:29:00 AM
There is no black patriarchy in this country. Black men have never benefited from it, and historically their maleness has been questioned or denied by white supremacy from the minute we landed in this continent.I think feminism is important in the sense that any struggle for equal rights is important. My issue is solely with intersectional feminism and the mental goal posts it shifts for people. Not to mention the threat it poses to black boys and black men when your teacher, doctor, therapist, etc essentially views you as inhuman or a natural predator that needs to be neutered (or worse). We've got a lot of women who love Bell Hooks and that alone is a problem. I'm not going to exaggerate and claim this is a majority or even close to it. But it's enough to cause problems when they enter academia.
I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of this shit has replaced black power and/or black nationalist ideals. Think about the conversations and goals that were once priorities. Black independence, black businesses, pan Africanism etc. Now we've got movements more interested in protesting police brutality by twerking. While doing everything in their power to push as many black men out of movements as possible. That can't be a coincidence in this country. There's a clear agenda at work when dysfunction and resentment are being promoted between black men and black women. There's a clear agenda at work when black women are positioned as the image/spokesman for obesity - when they're also the people most likely to die of heart failure/hypertension/etc. Some wild shit is going on right now.
I'm gonna preface this, I'm latinx(lol).
What I've seen happen, I deal with alot of small businesses doing this and that for them.
The increase of women who are POC in the past five years has been big.
To attribute this to feminism pushing out male POC voices is kind of...gross to be honest.
POC males basking in the side effect of patriarchy doesn't mean that colored males are being pushed aside. It means that they need to step up.QuoteWhile doing everything in their power to push as many black men out of movements as possible.
Because there's a perverse taught in action to not let women get ahead.
Hold on I said nothing about businesses or employment. I'm talking about activist and community groups, where black male voices are being silenced or ignored and where the idea that black women are more marginalized has become dogma. I'm talking about anti-black men sentiments that are directly tied to intersectionality, and where the "black men are the white men of the community" mantra was birthed. It would certainly be ridiculous to say black men are being pushed out of employment opportunities in the private sector.
These things don't exist in a vacuum by themselves. Business and politics are hand in hand.
There is a parallel in sexism throughout different races, where men come up on top. No one is "being silenced" black men, white men, latino men, they're being complacent. They are standing still .
There is a vast shift happening with women who realize that, "oh we don't need these assholes" to move upward.
We gotta stop lumping black men in other groups, I'm talking about a very specific series of issues. Black men are being other-ized and stigmatized by black activists who sound more like white racists than actual white racists. That's a problem and it's stirring division. Nor do I agree the business and political/activist issues are tied together. The issues black men have with employment have nothing to do with black women or feminism, and everything to do with a lack of opportunity. And a lack of ambition/hard work in some cases, to be fair. We need to do better.
I did not say there was a black patriarchy, I said in parallel, men dominate in their cultures.
Quote
Nor do I agree the business and political/activist issues are tied together.
Why not?
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 11:32:20 AM
I did not say there was a black patriarchy
Quote from: You
POC males basking in the side effect of patriarchy
In what way are black men dominating our culture?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2022, 11:44:58 AM
QuoteNor do I agree the business and political/activist issues are tied together.
Why not?
There isn't much of that type of politics in the business world, as it relates to race at least. Black women are graduating at a higher rate, and entering professional spaces at a higher rate. I don't see that advancement as political, at least not in the sense that we're talking about. It's moreso about opportunity as I mentioned earlier, plus black men not taking opportunities that they do have. We aren't being replaced or ignored...we've simply got to do a better job about completing school, mentoring, etc.
My view of the community and activist situation is the exact opposite. There is no education or financial barrier for entry, so it's a more even ground. Yet we are seeing the dominant black activist views right now focus on intersectionality and ignoring black men. If black men are "privileged" and the white men of the community, their needs can be ignored. After all, the black woman is more oppressed and needs more help so that's where the resources should go right. This is what I'm talking about. This is why black male mental health can be ignored or laughed about. Why no one cares about black male homelessness. Incarceration. The list goes on and on. When you silence the entire group by writing them off as patriarchal predators - or people who "dominate culture," whatever that means - it's easier to actively work against them. That's what is happening now and why I'm upset.
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 11:51:18 AM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2022, 12:00:44 PM
PD consider that thread i got banned at Reset for and how it relates to our current discussion:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-banality-of-blackness.480124/
I don't agree with much of this but will say...a lot of black art in film/tv seems to be going the way you describe and I have a theory for you. I feel like a lot of shit we've seen over the last few years is influenced by Get Out and Moonlight - two films I enjoyed. But the impression I get is that studios have wanted their own version of those films, and a lot of the projects greenlit since then have focused on trivializing the things that made those films so good. Specifically the commercialization of black trauma. When I look at shit like Lovecraft Country, Them, and nearly everything Lena Waithe does there's this very weird attempt to view racism and trauma through a horror lens that just feels...ugly.
Right wingers call it woke but it's more like exploitation. You take black trauma and white supremacy, turn them into motifs and then ape the cinematography from Moonlight (specifically the way darker black characters were lit in that film, the color contrasts etc) and boom...you've got most black shit over the last half decade. Half assed black hacks, and white studio execs and critics who are too scared to say "this sucks."
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 12:06:57 PM
PD consider that thread i got banned at Reset for and how it relates to our current discussion:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-banality-of-blackness.480124/
I don't agree with much of this but will say...a lot of black art in film/tv seems to be going the way you describe and I have a theory for you. I feel like a lot of shit we've seen over the last few years is influenced by Get Out and Moonlight - two films I enjoyed. But the impression I get is that studios have wanted their own version of those films, and a lot of the projects greenlit since then have focused on trivializing the things that made those films so good. Specifically the commercialization of black trauma. When I look at shit like Lovecraft Country, Them, and nearly everything Lena Waithe does there's this very weird attempt to view racism and trauma through a horror lens that just feels...ugly.
Right wingers call it woke but it's more like exploitation. You take black trauma and white supremacy, turn them into motifs and then ape the cinematography from Moonlight (specifically the way darker black characters were lit in that film, the color contrasts etc) and boom...you've got most black shit over the last half decade. Half assed black hacks, and white studio execs and critics who are too scared to say "this sucks."
It's so weird how black trauma is such a thing to monetize now. Black art in tv/film used to be inherently aspirational at the minimum (Cosby which has become tainted, Fresh Prince to a degree, A Different World), or every day at the maximum (Martin, Living Single, Boondocks, Bebe's Kids, Proud Family). Things like Boyz In Da Hood weren't the every day thing and that's what made it special. Now so much of it hinges on strapping itself to the same activism we are talking about and are repulsed by.
They're filtering it through horror because horror is easy and cheap and they want the next Get Out.
Colleague in NY posted this to the gram the other week.
(https://i.imgur.com/f6XuCAL.png)
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on December 21, 2022, 12:11:59 PM
QuoteNor do I agree the business and political/activist issues are tied together.
Why not?
There isn't much of that type of politics in the business world, as it relates to race at least. Black women are graduating at a higher rate, and entering professional spaces at a higher rate. I don't see that advancement as political, at least not in the sense that we're talking about. It's moreso about opportunity as I mentioned earlier, plus black men not taking opportunities that they do have. We aren't being replaced or ignored...we've simply got to do a better job about completing school, mentoring, etc.
My view of the community and activist situation is the exact opposite. There is no education or financial barrier for entry, so it's a more even ground. Yet we are seeing the dominant black activist views right now focus on intersectionality and ignoring black men. If black men are "privileged" and the white men of the community, their needs can be ignored. After all, the black woman is more oppressed and needs more help so that's where the resources should go right. This is what I'm talking about. This is why black male mental health can be ignored or laughed about. Why no one cares about black male homelessness. Incarceration. The list goes on and on. When you silence the entire group by writing them off as patriarchal predators - or people who "dominate culture," whatever that means - it's easier to actively work against them. That's what is happening now and why I'm upset.
You don't see the advancement of women who are POC getting into the professional space as advancement? Who do you think makes the rules?
Black males are not predators.
People are victims of their upbringings.
Black women have taken it upon themselves to move past that.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2022, 12:15:29 PM
PD consider that thread i got banned at Reset for and how it relates to our current discussion:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-banality-of-blackness.480124/
I don't agree with much of this but will say...a lot of black art in film/tv seems to be going the way you describe and I have a theory for you. I feel like a lot of shit we've seen over the last few years is influenced by Get Out and Moonlight - two films I enjoyed. But the impression I get is that studios have wanted their own version of those films, and a lot of the projects greenlit since then have focused on trivializing the things that made those films so good. Specifically the commercialization of black trauma. When I look at shit like Lovecraft Country, Them, and nearly everything Lena Waithe does there's this very weird attempt to view racism and trauma through a horror lens that just feels...ugly.
Right wingers call it woke but it's more like exploitation. You take black trauma and white supremacy, turn them into motifs and then ape the cinematography from Moonlight (specifically the way darker black characters were lit in that film, the color contrasts etc) and boom...you've got most black shit over the last half decade. Half assed black hacks, and white studio execs and critics who are too scared to say "this sucks."
It's so weird how black trauma is such a thing to monetize now. Black art used to be inherently aspirational at the minimum (Cosby which has become tainted, Fresh Prince to a degree, A Different World), or every day at the maximum (Martin, Living Single, Boondocks, Bebe's Kids, Proud Family). Now so much of it hinges on strapping itself to the same activism we are talking about and are repulsed by.
All this started happening at the exact same time too. Lovecraft Country, Them, and everything Lena Waithe does. That was like 2020, 2021, etc.
https://youtu.be/WL3Jz8fDgFI
I haven't seen the show but there's a scene in this where a pregnant woman is raped while giving birth, and the baby is removed from her and smashed to pieces. This obsession with presenting disgusting, traumatic images of black pain is obscene.
I'm not opposed to depictions or discussions of black trauma, mind you. I'm talking about when it is used as nothing more than a horror gag. You can tell these showrunners are selling this shit as treating black trauma like a Game Of Thrones twist or something.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2022, 12:19:45 PM
I'm not sure what we're arguing at this point, I don't think we're talking about the same things. Of course black women advancing is good, and advancement in general. That's not political to me. I work at one of the largest financial firms in the country, I've hired more black women than black men. Largely because more are qualified/available. That's not because black women have "moved past" victimization. Certainly not in a world where many cast themselves as the premier victim in this country. Nor do I think the solution for black men is simply moving past that shit either. Part of it is behavioral sure. But a lot is about opportunity, and a system designed to ruin black men more than black women (incarceration).QuoteNor do I agree the business and political/activist issues are tied together.
Why not?
There isn't much of that type of politics in the business world, as it relates to race at least. Black women are graduating at a higher rate, and entering professional spaces at a higher rate. I don't see that advancement as political, at least not in the sense that we're talking about. It's moreso about opportunity as I mentioned earlier, plus black men not taking opportunities that they do have. We aren't being replaced or ignored...we've simply got to do a better job about completing school, mentoring, etc.
My view of the community and activist situation is the exact opposite. There is no education or financial barrier for entry, so it's a more even ground. Yet we are seeing the dominant black activist views right now focus on intersectionality and ignoring black men. If black men are "privileged" and the white men of the community, their needs can be ignored. After all, the black woman is more oppressed and needs more help so that's where the resources should go right. This is what I'm talking about. This is why black male mental health can be ignored or laughed about. Why no one cares about black male homelessness. Incarceration. The list goes on and on. When you silence the entire group by writing them off as patriarchal predators - or people who "dominate culture," whatever that means - it's easier to actively work against them. That's what is happening now and why I'm upset.
You don't see the advancement of women who are POC getting into the professional space as advancement? Who do you think makes the rules?
Black males are not predators.
People are victims of their upbringings.
Black women have taken it upon themselves to move past that.
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 12:20:33 PM
PD consider that thread i got banned at Reset for and how it relates to our current discussion:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-banality-of-blackness.480124/
I don't agree with much of this but will say...a lot of black art in film/tv seems to be going the way you describe and I have a theory for you. I feel like a lot of shit we've seen over the last few years is influenced by Get Out and Moonlight - two films I enjoyed. But the impression I get is that studios have wanted their own version of those films, and a lot of the projects greenlit since then have focused on trivializing the things that made those films so good. Specifically the commercialization of black trauma. When I look at shit like Lovecraft Country, Them, and nearly everything Lena Waithe does there's this very weird attempt to view racism and trauma through a horror lens that just feels...ugly.
Right wingers call it woke but it's more like exploitation. You take black trauma and white supremacy, turn them into motifs and then ape the cinematography from Moonlight (specifically the way darker black characters were lit in that film, the color contrasts etc) and boom...you've got most black shit over the last half decade. Half assed black hacks, and white studio execs and critics who are too scared to say "this sucks."
It's so weird how black trauma is such a thing to monetize now. Black art used to be inherently aspirational at the minimum (Cosby which has become tainted, Fresh Prince to a degree, A Different World), or every day at the maximum (Martin, Living Single, Boondocks, Bebe's Kids, Proud Family). Now so much of it hinges on strapping itself to the same activism we are talking about and are repulsed by.
All this started happening at the exact same time too. Lovecraft Country, Them, and everything Lena Waithe does. That was like 2020, 2021, etc.
https://youtu.be/WL3Jz8fDgFI
I haven't seen the show but there's a scene in this where a pregnant woman is raped while giving birth, and the baby is removed from her and smashed to pieces. This obsession with presenting disgusting, traumatic images of black pain is obscene.
I'm not opposed to depictions or discussions of black trauma, mind you. I'm talking about when it is used as nothing more than a horror gag. You can tell these showrunners are selling this shit as treating black trauma like a Game Of Thrones twist or something.
What are your thoughts on Atlanta and Insecure? I feel like they skirt a lot of this modern day activism for the most part.
The worst part is, as a black person you often just want to get away from black politics when you consume media and now when you consume you're reminded of whatever hardships there are of being black. It's not a good feeling to have. I question the motive of these shows and movies. They're pretty disgusting to me.
Post by: BIONIC on December 21, 2022, 12:22:31 PM
I haven't seen the show but there's a scene in this where a pregnant woman is raped while giving birth, and the baby is removed from her and smashed to pieces.
:whoo :jeanluc
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 12:28:19 PM
https://youtu.be/c_pHCqZkXvY
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2022, 12:34:43 PM
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 12:36:32 PM
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2022, 01:31:53 PM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1605376162460729344 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1605376162460729344)Is "RIGG" a reference to something in particular? These things are always so hard to decode.
Post by: Nintex on December 21, 2022, 01:33:30 PM
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 01:44:35 PM
lol far left twitter trying to push for scotus judge tax returns but only on the republicans of course
Notice he's an activist. lol Everyone's an activist. And from New York! :whoo I'm so shocked.
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 01:51:56 PM
Ah, so he's that kind of left wing. I'm so shocked! I only talk to people that think like me!
Post by: Nintex on December 21, 2022, 01:58:46 PM
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2022, 02:03:14 PM
lol far left twitter trying to push for scotus judge tax returns but only on the republicans of courseDo they think the Justices are getting secretly paid (to support positions they've long held, especially Thomas who has been on the Court for 30 years) and just going to list it on their tax returns? And this will lead to Republicans voting to impeach them to allow Biden to appoint Democratic Justices?
https://twitter.com/JDCocchiarella/status/1540726209058856963I don't understand how someone can actually think this is some kind of debate win, all it does is shift the debate to what is or is not a human right. I know from experience that these people consider all kinds of human rights, like free speech or ownership over your own labor, to not actually be human rights.
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 02:05:31 PM
Post by: Nintex on December 21, 2022, 02:25:57 PM
Quote
Preparing for any potential war against Iran, the Biden administration has formally elevated Israel in military planning. Israel's changed status comes as the U.S. military refocuses from the 'war on terror' to potential combat with the big four—China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran.
As Israel has become a full-fledged military partner, the U.S. intelligence community is also putting more emphasis on its Hebrew language program to spy on its number-one Mideast ally.
World War 3 :nope
Potential combat with the big 4 :ohyeah
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 02:34:26 PM
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2022, 02:51:06 PM
Is it a human right to own a firearm? Our Bill of Rights says it is. Which human rights does he respect? Which does he belittle? Oh, excuse me buttercup, we can't be friends because I don't prioritize the human rights you care about. Funny how that works. And there's your brain on leftism, if you have any noodles left after the fact.A minor distinction but the rights in the Constitution are generally considered constitutional rights, they may or may not also be human rights. Most people, being anti-gun, would not consider the right to have a gun a human right. (And as we've seen recently nor the right to self-defense to be a human right.) Is the death penalty a violation of human rights? The Constitution has been interpreted to both ban and allow this practice. We'd assume that being put to death by the state despite being innocent should be a human right but the American Constitution currently is interpreted to allow this. For another consider the right to vote at 18? What makes 18 so special other than that's when you can go into the U.S. military which was the main argument for lowering the age?
To pick a related example (and one that's not a constitutional right) I consider conscription to be slavery and therefore a violation of human rights. Almost nobody else on the planet believes this, they think that your human rights end when the state decides it wants to fight with another state.
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2022, 03:29:03 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on December 21, 2022, 04:10:19 PM
I'm not sure what we're arguing at this point, I don't think we're talking about the same things. Of course black women advancing is good, and advancement in general. That's not political to me. I work at one of the largest financial firms in the country, I've hired more black women than black men. Largely because more are qualified/available. That's not because black women have "moved past" victimization. Certainly not in a world where many cast themselves as the premier victim in this country. Nor do I think the solution for black men is simply moving past that shit either. Part of it is behavioral sure. But a lot is about opportunity, and a system designed to ruin black men more than black women (incarceration).QuoteNor do I agree the business and political/activist issues are tied together.
Why not?
There isn't much of that type of politics in the business world, as it relates to race at least. Black women are graduating at a higher rate, and entering professional spaces at a higher rate. I don't see that advancement as political, at least not in the sense that we're talking about. It's moreso about opportunity as I mentioned earlier, plus black men not taking opportunities that they do have. We aren't being replaced or ignored...we've simply got to do a better job about completing school, mentoring, etc.
My view of the community and activist situation is the exact opposite. There is no education or financial barrier for entry, so it's a more even ground. Yet we are seeing the dominant black activist views right now focus on intersectionality and ignoring black men. If black men are "privileged" and the white men of the community, their needs can be ignored. After all, the black woman is more oppressed and needs more help so that's where the resources should go right. This is what I'm talking about. This is why black male mental health can be ignored or laughed about. Why no one cares about black male homelessness. Incarceration. The list goes on and on. When you silence the entire group by writing them off as patriarchal predators - or people who "dominate culture," whatever that means - it's easier to actively work against them. That's what is happening now and why I'm upset.
You don't see the advancement of women who are POC getting into the professional space as advancement? Who do you think makes the rules?
Black males are not predators.
People are victims of their upbringings.
Black women have taken it upon themselves to move past that.
You're right, I apologize.
I went off on a tangent .
Post by: Nintex on December 21, 2022, 06:01:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes/status/1605252238749839361Sorry Don, your legal jams sell too many newspapers so we have to make prosecutions great again :trumps
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 08:37:06 PM
Is it a human right to own a firearm? Our Bill of Rights says it is. Which human rights does he respect? Which does he belittle? Oh, excuse me buttercup, we can't be friends because I don't prioritize the human rights you care about. Funny how that works. And there's your brain on leftism, if you have any noodles left after the fact.A minor distinction but the rights in the Constitution are generally considered constitutional rights, they may or may not also be human rights. Most people, being anti-gun, would not consider the right to have a gun a human right. (And as we've seen recently nor the right to self-defense to be a human right.) Is the death penalty a violation of human rights? The Constitution has been interpreted to both ban and allow this practice. We'd assume that being put to death by the state despite being innocent should be a human right but the American Constitution currently is interpreted to allow this. For another consider the right to vote at 18? What makes 18 so special other than that's when you can go into the U.S. military which was the main argument for lowering the age?
To pick a related example (and one that's not a constitutional right) I consider conscription to be slavery and therefore a violation of human rights. Almost nobody else on the planet believes this, they think that your human rights end when the state decides it wants to fight with another state.
I know it's a distinction, but for me it's personal. The 13th amendment after all, is the law the disallowed slavery from being legally practice. So for me it's an inch between constitutional right and human right. In my perspective I view them as one and the same.
All I can assume this man means by his tweet is in defense of abortion. I definitely think it's a woman's right to abortion but definitely not under all circumstances (poverty, not wanting a baby;etc) in which case abortion becomes a human rights violation against the unborn. But for the sake of practicality and safety a mother should be able to terminate pregnancy if it's early and there's complications that will harm either her or the baby, or if she was raped. This would make me a bit of pro-choice here, a bit of pro-life there. Given this fairly centrist/moderate stance, would he friends with someone with a more moderate take on the issue or are all people against "human rights" if they don't agree with his terms for abortion like say, if he's for elective abortion or up to 9 months? This is where leftism falls on its face: its pursuit of purity completely forgets that life is messy and most people, especially Americans, don't think one specific way. His "philosophy" if you will is tantamount to only valuing people who thinks the same down to the same letter, font, and color.
People like him really think all pro-lifers are monsters that just want to subjugate women.
Of course he's an activist and a Dem strategist too.
Interesting take on conscription. Personally, as men, I find it our duty to protect our homes with our lives and wish we had mandatory service in America. We would probably be a stronger nation overall. My main criticism of conscription and being drafted are unjust wars such as Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq. America since WWII has done nothing but get our noses into messes that don't need us leading to pointless wars, pointless drafts, and pointless deaths. So I think conscription is worth scrutinizing despite thinking it has merit. For example, where would we be as a nation without it given the Revolutionary and Civil Wars? Also without conscription in WWII there probably wouldn't have been a Civil Rights Movement.
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2022, 08:54:21 PM
I know it's a distinction, but for me it's personal. The 13th amendment after all, is the law the disallowed slavery from being legally practice. So for me it's an inch between constitutional right and human right. In my perspective I view them as one and the same.You are simply restating your view not reading what I said. A constitutional right may or may not correspond with a human right and vice versa. Appealing to the Constitution is not appealing to a human right because not everything in the Constitution is typically considered a human right.
Interesting take on conscription. Personally, as men, I find it our duty to protect our homes with our lives and wish we had mandatory service in America. We would probably be a stronger nation overall. My main criticism of conscription and being drafted are unjust wars such as Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq. America since WWII has done nothing but get out noses into messes that don't need us leading to pointless wars, pointless drafts, and pointless deaths. So I think conscription is worth scrutinizing despite thinking it has merit. For example, where would we be as a nation without it given the Revolutionary and Civil Wars? Also without conscription in WWII there probably wouldn't have been a Civil Rights Movement.Why should I have a duty to be enslaved by the state for the states wishes at any time? Especially when I have not been convicted of a crime, the only allowance for slavery under the 13th Amendment you just mentioned?
There was no conscription during the Revolutionary War and conscription during the Civil War accomplished nothing but sending the poor to fight while exempting the rich.
Mandatory service to me seems to be the most un-American concept possible. You should have to give up years of your life simply to be a tool of the state for the state's goals and for what? What's even the larger goal supposed to be in a free society other than giving free labor to the state? Is there even a possible goal that isn't abhorrent?
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 09:05:37 PM
I know it's a distinction, but for me it's personal. The 13th amendment after all, is the law the disallowed slavery from being legally practice. So for me it's an inch between constitutional right and human right. In my perspective I view them as one and the same.You are simply restating your view not reading what I said. A constitutional right may or may not correspond with a human right and vice versa. Appealing to the Constitution is not appealing to a human right because not everything in the Constitution is typically considered a human right.Interesting take on conscription. Personally, as men, I find it our duty to protect our homes with our lives and wish we had mandatory service in America. We would probably be a stronger nation overall. My main criticism of conscription and being drafted are unjust wars such as Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq. America since WWII has done nothing but get out noses into messes that don't need us leading to pointless wars, pointless drafts, and pointless deaths. So I think conscription is worth scrutinizing despite thinking it has merit. For example, where would we be as a nation without it given the Revolutionary and Civil Wars? Also without conscription in WWII there probably wouldn't have been a Civil Rights Movement.Why should I have a duty to be enslaved by the state for the states wishes at any time? Especially when I have not been convicted of a crime, the only allowance for slavery under the 13th Amendment you just mentioned?
There was no conscription during the Revolutionary War and conscription during the Civil War accomplished nothing but sending the poor to fight while exempting the rich.
Mandatory service to me seems to be the most un-American concept possible. You should have to give up years of your life simply to be a tool of the state for the state's goals and for what? What's even the larger goal supposed to be in a free society other than giving free labor to the state? Is there even a possible goal that isn't abhorrent?
Yeah, I'm just reiterating my viewpoint because you brought up a good point and there's really nothing to counter it with.
I don't disagree with your points on conscription. In fact I completely agree with them. And yet, I still see value in it. Let's circle back to what I said about the Civil Rights Movement. Black men had the least amount of reasons to be drafted in this country during the days of segregations height. They weren't even citizens in their own nation and they had to fight for it? And yet, what ends up happening was black men in America were treated very well in non American nations. It disarmed them and they gained a semblance of true freedom. The Civil Rights Movement in many ways started abroad in foreign borders (https://www.americanairmuseum.com/stories/black-americans-britain-sww). When these same men arrived back home only to be denied the GI Bill benefits, and segregated once again, within ten years there was a massive movement of getting rid of segregation. Do you go back to second class citizenship after being treated like a king? No sir, you do not. You could probably even trace the British Invasion of Rock and Roll to WWII and black soldiers stationed in the UK. Conscription isn't all bad. Were these men, who were treated with more dignity and respect abroad as drafted soldiers enslaved? These men, who were walked over, boot over neck, by their own country would be among the first to refuse fighting for USA but many were drafted and look how it worked out.
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2022, 09:11:00 PM
Were these men, who were treated with more dignity and respect abroad as drafted soldiers enslaved?Uh, yeah, they were. That whole part where they didn't consent to it and weren't allowed to refuse.
I also don't think there's any support for the idea that they were "treated like kings" and this awoke them to their state in America either. It completely erases the known Black experience in America for something that'd be quite difficult to show any evidence of.
These men, who were walked over, boot over neck, by their own country would be among the first to refuse a draft and look how it worked out.Might have been quite different had they been sent into combat to die en masse.
Assume, I grant the point as a single example in favor of conscription. This is supposed to be the basis for enslaving everyone in the country? That they might, twenty years down the line, benefit in an unforeseen way from their enslavement?
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 09:21:12 PM
Were these men, who were treated with more dignity and respect abroad as drafted soldiers enslaved?Uh, yeah, they were. That whole part where they didn't consent to it and weren't allowed to refuse.
I also don't think there's any support for the idea that they were "treated like kings" and this awoke them to their state in America either. It completely erases the known Black experience in America for something that'd be quite difficult to show any evidence of.These men, who were walked over, boot over neck, by their own country would be among the first to refuse a draft and look how it worked out.Might have been quite different had they been sent into combat to die en masse.
Awoke them to their state in America, no. Awoke them to a world where they have respect and a peaceful life, yes.
And it is absolutely questioned and considered by some historians.
https://www.history.com/news/did-world-war-ii-launch-the-civil-rights-movement
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/summer-1946-saw-black-wwii-vets-fight-freedom-home-180978538/
You don't think black men being treated well abroad and like humans wouldn't trigger them into ending segregation after they fought for their lives in the shit?
Agree to disagree.
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2022, 09:27:21 PM
And no, I don't think Black men "learned" about their state by going abroad because this requires you to ignore all the writing Black people did about the injustice before other Black men went abroad. (And, yes, I'm also skeptical of the claim that they were treated uniquely in Europe and Asia.)
In any case, I don't see any support for mandatory mass conscription even if this was the case in a single example of the non-combat Black experience in WWII.
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 09:38:46 PM
And no, I don't think Black men "learned" about their state by going abroad because this requires you to ignore all the writing Black people did about the injustice before other Black men went abroad
I'm not understanding this argument. It's not being said at all.
One of the articles I posted said not every black man had experienced segregation before the war.
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2022, 09:45:09 PM
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 09:49:09 PM
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2022, 09:56:51 PM
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 10:06:12 PM
You just disputed the only example you came up with and still haven't outlined any possible goal that would justify it.
I did not dispute it. In fact it adds to my favor. Also to note, not every soldier was a draftee, but the point of serving your country and finding common cause is made.
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The perversity of the United States fighting Hitler’s master-race ideology with an army segregated by race was not lost on African Americans. Military service was also a fresh humiliation for Black enlistees who had never experienced segregation. “Whether one was a graduate of Harvard Law School or was a sharecropper in Georgia with a second-grade education, he was swept into the same brutally segregated American military,” says Rawn James, Jr., author of The Double V—How Wars, Protest, and Harry Truman Desegregated America’s Military. “That united African Americans under one common cause that would have a tangible benefit for all of them.”
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2022, 10:13:25 PM
I did not dispute it. In fact it adds to my favor.???
Black men had the least amount of reasons to be drafted in this country during the days of segregations height. They weren't even citizens in their own nation and they had to fight for it? And yet, what ends up happening was black men in America were treated very well in non American nations. It disarmed them and they gained a semblance of true freedom. The Civil Rights Movement in many ways started abroad in foreign borders (https://www.americanairmuseum.com/stories/black-americans-britain-sww). When these same men arrived back home only to be denied the GI Bill benefits, and segregated once again, within ten years there was a massive movement of getting rid of segregation. Do you go back to second class citizenship after being treated like a king? No sir, you do not. You could probably even trace the British Invasion of Rock and Roll to WWII and black soldiers stationed in the UK. Conscription isn't all bad. Were these men, who were treated with more dignity and respect abroad as drafted soldiers enslaved? These men, who were walked over, boot over neck, by their own country would be among the first to refuse fighting for USA but many were drafted and look how it worked out.
You don't think black men being treated well abroad and like humans wouldn't trigger them into ending segregation after they fought for their lives in the shit?
If Black men didn't learn about their status in America from being conscripted and sent abroad then you've just lost the only point you've made in favor of being conscripted. One I was willing to concede to ask how this could possibly be a justification for mass mandatory conscription.And no, I don't think Black men "learned" about their state by going abroad because this requires you to ignore all the writing Black people did about the injustice before other Black men went abroad
I'm not understanding this argument. It's not being said at all.
Post by: Himu on December 21, 2022, 10:30:10 PM
I did not dispute it. In fact it adds to my favor.???Black men had the least amount of reasons to be drafted in this country during the days of segregations height. They weren't even citizens in their own nation and they had to fight for it? And yet, what ends up happening was black men in America were treated very well in non American nations. It disarmed them and they gained a semblance of true freedom. The Civil Rights Movement in many ways started abroad in foreign borders (https://www.americanairmuseum.com/stories/black-americans-britain-sww). When these same men arrived back home only to be denied the GI Bill benefits, and segregated once again, within ten years there was a massive movement of getting rid of segregation. Do you go back to second class citizenship after being treated like a king? No sir, you do not. You could probably even trace the British Invasion of Rock and Roll to WWII and black soldiers stationed in the UK. Conscription isn't all bad. Were these men, who were treated with more dignity and respect abroad as drafted soldiers enslaved? These men, who were walked over, boot over neck, by their own country would be among the first to refuse fighting for USA but many were drafted and look how it worked out.You don't think black men being treated well abroad and like humans wouldn't trigger them into ending segregation after they fought for their lives in the shit?If Black men didn't learn about their status in America from being conscripted and sent abroad then you've just lost the only point you've made in favor of being conscripted. One I was willing to concede to ask how this could possibly be a justification for mass mandatory conscription.And no, I don't think Black men "learned" about their state by going abroad because this requires you to ignore all the writing Black people did about the injustice before other Black men went abroad
I'm not understanding this argument. It's not being said at all.
Black men, mostly, were well aware of the state of things in the States. But they weren't aware of how they would be treated outside of it and fighting a war abroad directly led to the Civil Rights Movement. It's pretty easy to be tunnel visioned and think,"everyone hates us" but nope, it's not the case: America does. It was not once argued that black men "didn't learn about their status in America". You are the person who brought that up. Fighting abroad gave a generation of black heroes to fight abroad and at home. The Civil Rights Movement would not have gained traction without the advocacy of black veterans. This is historical fact in light of figures such as Medgar Evers. A figure so integral he has a college named after him in Brooklyn.
As for conscription.
It leads to:
1. Greater national unity
2. More opportunity for people of different backgrounds
3. Counties with mandatory service tend to end up with higher prosperity (see: South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Israel, Finland). Conscription leads to highly technologically minded societies with engaged, well educated citizenry.
4. The forced conscription in WWII forced the military to eventually desegregate years ahead the country did.
Of the 16 million soldiers in WWII, 10 million were drafted. How do you hope to get the numbers for war that is needed without conscription?
In this life we have trade offs. Conscription is one such trade off just like taxes. Or all taxes theft?
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2022, 10:43:32 PM
If you have to conscript people to fight your war, your war isn't needed. This violates consent of the governed and is making excuses for slavery. I'm skeptical of the World War II figures because the draft was enacted in peacetime before Pearl Harbor, it wasn't a reaction to insufficient volunteers. Say I grant you WWII, the only time in history the United States has ever been attacked, how does this justify mandatory mass conscription during peacetime?
And, yes, of course all taxes are theft. :lol
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2022, 11:13:38 PM
Quote from: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23507944/supreme-court-sonia-sotomayor-elena-kagan-ruth-bader-ginsburg-retire
Sotomayor and Kagan need to think about retiring
Ian Millhiser is a senior correspondent at Vox, where he focuses on the Supreme Court, the Constitution, and the decline of liberal democracy in the United States. He received a JD from Duke University and is the author of two books on the Supreme Court.
We have now lived with the consequences of Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s late-life arrogance for more than two years.
In 2014, President Barack Obama was in office and Democrats controlled the Senate, empowering them to confirm a new justice if Justice Ginsburg had left the Supreme Court. Ginsburg was a two-time cancer survivor in her 80s, the oldest member of a 5-4 Court where the right to an abortion — and perhaps even the right to vote in reasonably fair elections — teetered on a knife’s edge.
When she died in the final months of the Trump presidency, Ginsburg told her granddaughters her last desire: “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.” It amounted to nothing. Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s seat on the Supreme Court, a seat that until recently belonged to the greatest women’s rights lawyer in American history, is now held by her ideological opposite.
Now, eight years later, the question arises: Should Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, 68 and 62, respectively, do what Ginsburg would not?
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He no longer repeats these tweets so be aware that he may have been arrested by the Trump administration and is writing these from his prison cell.
He no longer repeats these tweets so be aware that he may have been arrested by the Trump administration and is writing these from his prison cell.
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Post by: Himu on December 22, 2022, 12:28:04 AM
1-3 are all absurd and you'll never be able to provide proof of any of them, I highly doubt 4 is supported by the historical record and this is basically American mythology.
If you have to conscript people to fight your war, your war isn't needed. This violates consent of the governed and is making excuses for slavery. I'm skeptical of the World War II figures because the draft was enacted in peacetime before Pearl Harbor, it wasn't a reaction to insufficient volunteers. Say I grant you WWII, the only time in history the United States has ever been attacked, how does this justify mandatory mass conscription during peacetime?
And, yes, of course all taxes are theft. :lol
Conscript during peace time, is one argument, and sure I'll make that concession. But it seems you're against conscription on general and nations figured out a long time ago that a nation in peace and a nation at war are two different animals. During war time they need everyone to pitch in because everything goes to the war effort. Conscription is one such means to go about it. I brought up the WWII stat to show that without the draft we wouldn't haven't had enough to fight the Axis in WWII. This is fact. Even when America was attacked there weren't enough voluntary soldiers to win a war.
As a citizen of a country you tie yourself to a contract so to speak. If you're drafted, rescind your citizenship. End of. No one is forcing you to be enslaved.
I'll say this about conscription: it's not nice, but necessary. If I'm drafted to fight Russia I'll do so because my country wants me to and my country's liberty supercedes my own at that moment in time. I do think cases like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq really put into question America's track record though so I don't blame anyone for questioning it.
1-3 are all absurd and you'll never be able to provide proof of any of them
https://daily.jstor.org/is-mandatory-military-service-good-for-a-country/
https://thehill.com/changing-america/opinion/564848-why-we-need-a-mandatory-year-of-service/
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Data shows service years have led to improved education outcomes, career advancement and higher wages, and even crime reduction in some cities.
Could you imagine if USA had mandatory military service? Gangster's would have some place to go. Kids from the ghetto would get discipline and skills to take back with them. The class divide might lessen because everyone and their influencer kid would have to do military service. It would make Americans more humble and more appreciative.
Moreover mandatory service means more fit population.
It'll teach liberals that semiautomatic doesn't mean automatic lol.
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2022, 01:49:27 AM
But it seems you're against conscription on generalYeah, like I said at the start.
During war time they need everyone to pitch in because everything goes to the war effort. Conscription is one such means to go about it. I brought up the WWII stat to show that without the draft we wouldn't haven't had enough to fight the Axis in WWII. This is fact. Even when America was attacked there weren't enough voluntary soldiers to win a war.No, that's not a fact. Nowhere did you show this. You only showed what happened with a peacetime draft already in place. The United States didn't even remotely draft all the men it could have.
And you're granting that the wars are justified in the first place even as you started this conversation by pointing out just a few of the American wars that were not justified and will further on in this post reiterate this point. You can't even get close to justifying a draft without pointing to the one instance when the U.S. didn't start a war by itself and had already been drafting people.
As a citizen of a country you tie yourself to a contract so to speak. If you're drafted, rescind your citizenship. End of. No one is forcing you to be enslaved.lmao, so either you're enslaved by duty of mere birth or you have to give up your citizenship and become stateless and thus have zero protected rights anywhere on the planet because the "liberty" of the state to go to war with whoever it wants whenever it wants overrides your right not to be enslaved even when the Constitution specifically outlaws slavery.
I'll say this about conscription: it's not nice, but necessary. If I'm drafted to fight Russia I'll do so because my country wants me to and my country's liberty supercedes my own at that moment in time.
Could you imagine if USA had mandatory military service? Gangster's would have some place to go. Kids from the ghetto would get discipline and skills to take back with them. The class divide might lessen because everyone and their influencer kid would have to do military service. It would make Americans more humble and more appreciative.You seriously cannot believe this nonsense. You think a mere year of service, which will never have everyone being put in the military as every proposal always allows for "alternative" service, is going to do anything but steal a year from people? You think it will lessen the class divide to take a year of work away from poor kids? You think it will lessen the class divide despite every draft in history resulting in the rich finding ways out of equal service? What skills will "kids from the ghetto" possibly learn in a year if they've gained relatively nothing from the already mandatory twelve years of schooling? You think the military wants to spend a year of non-combat (because you aren't handed guns and sent out immediately) training on everyone? You think prospective college freshmen are going to gain anything from a year before they can finally hop off to college? Does that twelve years of schooling make Americans more humble and appreciative or do they fucking hate it and spend the rest of their lives wanting to mess with it constantly and probably make it even worse by attaching all their current neuroses to it?
Moreover mandatory service means more fit population.
There are absolutely no benefits to conscription without appeal to some mythical "higher purpose" horseshit. It's just nationalist jerking off about making people submit to the state so they hopefully learn their place as nothing more than a cog in the machine that can have their lives upended at anytime to serve the state's desires. It's completely absurd that we rightly can't be forced to pledge allegiance to the flag but can have everything stolen from us so we can be imprisoned or murdered simply because the state wants to kill some foreigners. Especially now that we live in an era where the state doesn't even follow the law to start its wars all over the globe and the President does this solely on a personal whim.
Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2022, 02:55:46 AM
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Moreover mandatory service means more fit population
Bro did you hear about this sick work out :rogan
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2022, 03:02:08 AM
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Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2022, 01:28:30 PM
The war rages on
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 22, 2022, 01:52:50 PM
Isn't he like a top 5 far right Republican?
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on December 22, 2022, 02:46:50 PM
:usacry
:gun :ussrcry
Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2022, 04:06:35 PM
Post by: jorma on December 22, 2022, 04:57:03 PM
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2022, 05:37:28 PM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1605988493267595265 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1605988493267595265)
The war rages on
Mitch is an incredible politician
Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2022, 05:39:16 PM
Come on Joe, don't grab ass in public - not even if it belongs to you. :lol10% for the big guy :biden
*hell gate noises*
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1605919631289589767 (https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1605919631289589767)
*hell gate noises*
Post by: Himu on December 22, 2022, 05:48:03 PM
But it seems you're against conscription on generalYeah, like I said at the start.During war time they need everyone to pitch in because everything goes to the war effort. Conscription is one such means to go about it. I brought up the WWII stat to show that without the draft we wouldn't haven't had enough to fight the Axis in WWII. This is fact. Even when America was attacked there weren't enough voluntary soldiers to win a war.No, that's not a fact. Nowhere did you show this. You only showed what happened with a peacetime draft already in place. The United States didn't even remotely draft all the men it could have.
And you're granting that the wars are justified in the first place even as you started this conversation by pointing out just a few of the American wars that were not justified and will further on in this post reiterate this point. You can't even get close to justifying a draft without pointing to the one instance when the U.S. didn't start a war by itself and had already been drafting people.As a citizen of a country you tie yourself to a contract so to speak. If you're drafted, rescind your citizenship. End of. No one is forcing you to be enslaved.lmao, so either you're enslaved by duty of mere birth or you have to give up your citizenship and become stateless and thus have zero protected rights anywhere on the planet because the "liberty" of the state to go to war with whoever it wants whenever it wants overrides your right not to be enslaved even when the Constitution specifically outlaws slavery.
I'll say this about conscription: it's not nice, but necessary. If I'm drafted to fight Russia I'll do so because my country wants me to and my country's liberty supercedes my own at that moment in time.Could you imagine if USA had mandatory military service? Gangster's would have some place to go. Kids from the ghetto would get discipline and skills to take back with them. The class divide might lessen because everyone and their influencer kid would have to do military service. It would make Americans more humble and more appreciative.You seriously cannot believe this nonsense. You think a mere year of service, which will never have everyone being put in the military as every proposal always allows for "alternative" service, is going to do anything but steal a year from people? You think it will lessen the class divide to take a year of work away from poor kids? You think it will lessen the class divide despite every draft in history resulting in the rich finding ways out of equal service? What skills will "kids from the ghetto" possibly learn in a year if they've gained relatively nothing from the already mandatory twelve years of schooling? You think the military wants to spend a year of non-combat (because you aren't handed guns and sent out immediately) training on everyone? You think prospective college freshmen are going to gain anything from a year before they can finally hop off to college? Does that twelve years of schooling make Americans more humble and appreciative or do they fucking hate it and spend the rest of their lives wanting to mess with it constantly and probably make it even worse by attaching all their current neuroses to it?
Moreover mandatory service means more fit population.
There are absolutely no benefits to conscription without appeal to some mythical "higher purpose" horseshit. It's just nationalist jerking off about making people submit to the state so they hopefully learn their place as nothing more than a cog in the machine that can have their lives upended at anytime to serve the state's desires. It's completely absurd that we rightly can't be forced to pledge allegiance to the flag but can have everything stolen from us so we can be imprisoned or murdered simply because the state wants to kill some foreigners. Especially now that we live in an era where the state doesn't even follow the law to start its wars all over the globe and the President does this solely on a personal whim.
I also think you might forgive some vigilance on this point considering how quickly you went from championing our constitutional rights as human rights against a leftist/liberal to wanting to write an additional exception in on the hopes it might potentially be a worthwhile social policy to force everyone through it or strip their citizenship from them.
I think it might be a good thing for America. Do I see it ever happening? Nope. In previous generations it was expected that if Uncle Sam called, you came. Although I believe in human rights and the liberty of man, I also believe in fighting for those human rights. I would have joined the military after college if my hearing was better. In fact, I talked to a recruiter. It's a duel I suppose. But I can't force it on the whole population, but I do find it important. But we do live in a society and whether good or bad you really can't expect a nation to not conscript during war time, either. Whether you agree or disagree with that and want to label it enslavement all you want, you also believe all taxes to be theft, so we cannot make headway on this issue because it's one inherently about concessions and one such concession is that government will and can make anything it wants to legal or illegal. I like to consider myself a pragmatist on this. You're talking to the ideal. But the ideal wouldn't have won World War II and unfortunately in this life sometimes force is necessary.
The good news? Everything I just described? Is precisely why you are a fool to trust government or want to rely on it.
Post by: Potato on December 22, 2022, 06:45:40 PM
That picture right there...all the evidence you ever needed to confirm that there ARE lizard-headed alien overlords running the world.Come on Joe, don't grab ass in public - not even if it belongs to you. :lol10% for the big guy :biden
*hell gate noises*
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1605919631289589767 (https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1605919631289589767)
*hell gate noises*
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2022, 07:05:54 PM
In previous generations it was expected that if Uncle Sam called, you came. ... But the ideal wouldn't have won World War II and unfortunately in this life sometimes force is necessary.These two things cannot both be true. You're trying to lean on a single example, the only time when America was ever attacked, so you can ignore all the other times the draft was used purely to provide poor people as fodder for the state's ill-advised policy choices. We have absolutely zero idea if volunteers were enough to win World War II like all the rest of America's successful conflicts where they were.
But we do live in a society and whether good or bad you really can't expect a nation to not conscript during war time, either.I absolutely can because that was the United States before 1917 and has been effectively the case since 1973 when it has reached the apex of its global military power.
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2022, 07:18:30 PM
Post by: Nintex on December 22, 2022, 07:30:43 PM
But why
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2022, 11:23:43 AM
After Canada banned all guns and all the Covid policy shenanigans?! Lol fuck off with your slippery slope
https://twitter.com/kourtneelynne/status/1606139033981272065
Post by: Nintex on December 23, 2022, 04:50:28 PM
oh shi, all caps
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 23, 2022, 05:39:58 PM
Trump can't spell Presidential confirmed :teehee
Post by: Himu on December 23, 2022, 06:01:19 PM
Post by: Nintex on December 23, 2022, 06:19:03 PM
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1606341418485567488 (https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1606341418485567488)
Looks like Trump is revving up for the Republican primary.
Post by: benjipwns on December 23, 2022, 07:34:17 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkqxcYdX0AE4t4I?format=jpg)If he has the evidence he should try submitting it in court another 60 times or so. :girlaff
oh shi, all caps
Post by: benjipwns on December 23, 2022, 07:50:24 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamKinzinger/status/1606112681886220288
Post by: Potato on December 23, 2022, 11:04:04 PM
ALL HE IS DOING IS USING THE TWITTER LEGAL PRINCIPLE OF "accusations are evidence" WHICH WAS WELL-ESTABLISHED BY THE #metoo MOVEMENT AND RESETERA.COM PROMINENT MEMBERS.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkqxcYdX0AE4t4I?format=jpg)If he has the evidence he should try submitting it in court another 60 times or so. :girlaff
oh shi, all caps
Post by: Nintex on December 24, 2022, 08:12:43 PM
:lol
Post by: benjipwns on December 24, 2022, 08:28:47 PM
Post by: benjipwns on December 24, 2022, 09:38:17 PM
Post by: benjipwns on December 24, 2022, 09:39:05 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkboEDhWIAEmTBZ?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: Nintex on December 25, 2022, 08:01:48 AM
Post by: Tasty on December 26, 2022, 08:40:27 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/NQhHER8GD2YAAAAC/britta-perry-community.gif)
Post by: Nintex on December 27, 2022, 07:11:02 AM
:lol
Post by: Tasty on December 27, 2022, 10:52:54 AM
Funny, he doesn't look Druish.
Post by: benjipwns on December 27, 2022, 05:34:19 PM
Post by: benjipwns on December 27, 2022, 11:06:02 PM
:american
Post by: benjipwns on December 27, 2022, 11:22:49 PM
Quote from: https://reason.com/volokh/2022/12/27/ninth-circuit-judge-urges-supreme-court-not-to-give-any-first-amendment-protection-for-racist-hate-speech/
The continued prevalence of hate speech and crimes against American citizens and residents on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability is evidence of the enduring threat of hate crimes to the fabric of American democratic society and to the safety and security of individuals.
In light of this threat, I write to underscore that the First Amendment and Supreme Court precedent do not require courts always to strike down a government entity's attempts to prevent harm to their citizens
...
One aspect of those values is a central understanding of the dignity and respect that must be afforded to all citizens and people, regardless of any personal characteristics or attributes like race, religion, and sexual orientation, and the role of that respect for the individual in the healthy functioning of a multiracial, pluralistic democracy. As Justice [Brennan] stated …, we recognize "that respect for the individual which is the lifeblood of the law." The flipside of that central understanding is that hate speech is antithetical to the values of this nation.
Hateful speech encourages hateful thoughts, which lead to hateful goals of individuals; those, in turn, lead to hateful actions and sometimes violence, resulting in harm to the public.
...
We may properly consider the incalculable harm that hate speech can cause ethnic or racial minorities in the context of school settings. Justice Thomas's words are illustrative in this evaluation: "In every culture, certain things acquire meaning well beyond what outsiders can comprehend." His words counsel us to keep in mind the differing cultural and historical circumstances that might lead different groups to experience hate speech differently. Children go to school to enrich their lives and gain knowledge and skills to assist their full and productive participation in society. But consider how an African American child must feel if confronted with images sent to other students portraying the child as inferior, as less intelligent and as less human. As in the facts of the case before us, African American children may be particularly sensitive to imagery portraying them as slaves or akin to animals.
Similarly, Jewish children may be particularly sensitive to images portraying them as rats or vermin, or even insects, as was done in Nazi Germany as prelude to the Holocaust. Indeed, each ethnic, racial, or other minority group will recognize visual images or verbal phrasings that dehumanize their community and encourage hate to be visited upon them, resulting in the disruption or interference with their effective learning process. Such an inquiry must be fact-specific and unique to the circumstances of each case, but in an especially egregious example like the case before us today, the answer is clear, as expressed in the majority opinion. In my view, civilized society should not tolerate imagery encouraging hate; government bodies, consistent with the Constitution, can and should be able to take steps to stop it.
...
government officials more broadly, should not be unduly constrained in their attempts to regulate hate speech for the purpose of protecting the intended targets of said speech. This may require some refining of the Supreme Court's prior guidance in its precedents. For example, while recognizing that my views on hate speech may be less protective of speech than some current doctrine, I would conclude here that the racist characterizations and images, dehumanizing African Americans students, is sufficient to show a threat of imminent violence, fights or other attacks on African Americans
...
Refocusing our attention on the hate speech issues in this case, I conclude that "just as one cannot burn down someone's house to make a political point and then seek refuge in the First Amendment, those who hate cannot terrorize and intimidate to make their point." In our case, the culprits believed that they could escape the consequences of their hate speech that generated indisputable fear and intimidation in their targeted student victims because their conduct was couched in avowed "speech." If the Supreme Court decides to reassess its precedents in this area, I urge them to not blink the fact of grievous harm that hate speech causes its targets. I also urge the Court not to give any First Amendment protection for racist hate speech. For example, the Court could consider modifying the Brandenburg test to require only a probable and emerging threat of violence rather than imminent lawless action as a result of speech in order to regulate it. Regardless, I would adopt an expansive view of the ability of government officials who regulate schools to protect the future citizens they are bound to serve and educate.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 28, 2022, 10:26:54 AM
Post by: Nintex on December 28, 2022, 12:42:21 PM
https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1607957772535996419 (https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1607957772535996419)
:dead
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on December 28, 2022, 07:34:31 PM
https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1607848139104620544
:biden :tinfoil :doge
Post by: Tasty on December 28, 2022, 07:45:18 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/3iftkn.gif)
Post by: benjipwns on December 28, 2022, 10:18:31 PM
Deep state war is heating up.The Adults are Back in Charge™ and paranoid about the Secret Service again. :american
https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1607848139104620544
:biden :tinfoil :doge
Post by: benjipwns on December 29, 2022, 04:05:00 AM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1608251701890252801
Post by: Nintex on December 29, 2022, 06:07:01 AM
Bit of a weak ending to this plot line.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on December 29, 2022, 10:22:49 AM
Deep state war is heating up.
https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1607848139104620544
:biden :tinfoil :doge
remnants of past people
Post by: Nintex on December 29, 2022, 11:04:11 AM
:ego
Post by: benjipwns on December 29, 2022, 11:11:23 PM
Quote
“After my firm filed suit on separation of powers grounds to block January 6 House Select Committee’s illegitimate subpoena to President Trump over his activities while president — the committee waved the white flag & withdrew subpoena,” Dhillon said in a tweet Wednesday.lmao, all you did was run out the clock
“We were confident of victory,” she added, “in court, given precedent & refusal of prior presidents to testify in Congress. J6 committee wasted millions for a purely political witch-hunt, total abuse of process & power serving no legitimate legislative purpose.”
On the other hand, the fact that she didn't lose in court probably instantly makes her Trump's best lawyer in years.
Post by: Nintex on December 30, 2022, 01:23:58 PM
:dead
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2022, 06:10:35 PM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1608890202998870017 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1608890202998870017)
:dead
Did he ever get to the bottom of DeSantis' big win in Florida? I'm sure Trump would like an update on that.
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2022, 09:56:44 PM
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2022, 10:37:01 PM
More of those Adults™ at work:I hadn't seen that he's trying to defend himself:
twitter.com/thehill/status/1608251701890252801
https://twitter.com/SenatorCardin/status/1608497233871224833
:dead
Post by: Himu on December 31, 2022, 07:18:30 AM
https://youtu.be/7xGBB-717AI
Post by: HaughtyFrank on December 31, 2022, 10:19:22 AM
:pika
Post by: Nintex on December 31, 2022, 05:18:53 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 01, 2023, 06:38:32 PM
:hesright
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2023, 06:48:07 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 01, 2023, 07:01:59 PM
Only to have Trump throw the party leadership and their most loyal voters under the bus.
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2023, 08:15:54 PM
https://twitter.com/MidTrm_Analysis/status/1609668849082810372
Starting to doubt the "Analysis of the 2022 Mid Term Elections" from this account.
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2023, 10:19:21 PM
As 2023 gets underway, the GOP is experiencing ‘a big belly flop’ (https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/2023-gets-underway-gop-experiencing-big-belly-flop-rcna63939)
Top Biden adviser: White House heads into new year with ‘strong jolt of momentum’ (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3780765-top-biden-adviser-white-house-heads-into-new-year-with-strong-jolt-of-momentum/)
Tbf it's depressing progressive legislation can only get passed every 10-15 years the GOPers have a big in-fight, but I guess the pendulum swings both ways there.
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2023, 10:35:35 PM
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This week alone, he called on the state Supreme Court to convene a grand jury to look into “any and all wrongdoing” with respect to the development and promotion of COVID-19 vaccines — getting into a public battle with Anthony Fauci, the White House adviser on COVID-19 and a target of the right, in the process.
Weighing in this week on the newly signed Respect for Marriage Act, which enshrines into law federal protections for same-sex and interracial couples, DeSantis said there was “certainly no need” for such a measure.
He also raised concerns about what the law could mean for religious institutions opposed to same-sex marriage.
“They are using the power, I think, of the federal government in ways that will absolutely put religious institutions in difficult spots if you have people that are so inclined to be very aggressive against that,” DeSantis told Fox News’s Laura Ingraham on Tuesday.
DeSantis: (https://media.tenor.com/xGrOmjhHF5EAAAAC/trash-trash-man.gif)
Post by: Himu on January 03, 2023, 04:34:41 AM
This really makes the case for multiple parties in the USA, so the GOP and the Dems don't use issues as wedges for generations. Neither one wants to make headway on key issues because to do so will mean they can't use those issues to get votes. But in the meantime nothing gets done because we have to keep talking about abortion and gay marriage and yadda yadda yadda. Americans suffer in the end. It's time for the GOP to move on from gay marriage, a battle we have lost, and move on to the next evolution of the Republican Party: the modern working class party.
Also it's bad politically to express that for that for your future Presidential chances. :salute That said the more the LGB tie themselves with T the more unpopular they will get.
Post by: Himu on January 03, 2023, 04:42:46 AM
A tale of two parties.
As 2023 gets underway, the GOP is experiencing ‘a big belly flop’ (https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/2023-gets-underway-gop-experiencing-big-belly-flop-rcna63939)
Top Biden adviser: White House heads into new year with ‘strong jolt of momentum’ (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3780765-top-biden-adviser-white-house-heads-into-new-year-with-strong-jolt-of-momentum/)
Tbf it's depressing progressive legislation can only get passed every 10-15 years the GOPers have a big in-fight, but I guess the pendulum swings both ways there.
As said before and it is unfortunate given how satanic Progressive policy truly is, this decade belongs to the Democratic Party. There's no way Biden is losing. He is the most effective Democratic President since LBJ or FDR in terms of getting their agenda across. But this will also make Dems cocky and bubbling on the surface is a rising counter culture. The next decade, politically, will be interesting. And frightening. Let's see how things flip in interesting ways. NY beginning to flip red is an interesting sign of things to come once Republicans are done with Trump.
Post by: Nintex on January 03, 2023, 06:43:42 AM
DeSantis is falling into the same trap as Ted Cruz and Trump is now warning them about. They are too extreme in their ideology.
But instead of taking this as a warning they are moving in the opposite direction of "TRUMP SUPPORTS MURDERING BABIES".
It's a very strange situation because Trump has been at odds with his anti-vaxx anti-LGBTQ+ pro-life base for a while now.
They sort of accepted it on the idea that god choose an imperfect vehicle to spread his message as Trump was more or less 'converted' or had 'seen the light' after his wild years of sin.
Post by: Potato on January 03, 2023, 06:53:43 AM
A tale of two parties.
As 2023 gets underway, the GOP is experiencing ‘a big belly flop’ (https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/2023-gets-underway-gop-experiencing-big-belly-flop-rcna63939)
Top Biden adviser: White House heads into new year with ‘strong jolt of momentum’ (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3780765-top-biden-adviser-white-house-heads-into-new-year-with-strong-jolt-of-momentum/)
Tbf it's depressing progressive legislation can only get passed every 10-15 years the GOPers have a big in-fight, but I guess the pendulum swings both ways there.
As said before and it is unfortunate given how satanic Progressive policy truly is, this decade belongs to the Democratic Party. There's no way Biden is losing. He is the most effective Democratic President since LBJ or FDR in terms of getting their agenda across. But this will also make Dems cocky and bubbling on the surface is a rising counter culture. The next decade, politically, will be interesting. And frightening. Let's see how things flip in interesting ways. NY beginning to flip red is an interesting sign of things to come once Republicans are done with Trump.
Satanic? Dafuq?
Post by: Nintex on January 03, 2023, 12:20:23 PM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1610307698242818048 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1610307698242818048)
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1610314063166443521 (https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1610314063166443521)
:spiders
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 03, 2023, 12:55:58 PM
turmp? mtg?
pelosi again?
Post by: james on January 03, 2023, 01:11:52 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 03, 2023, 01:47:26 PM
Whoever gets 218 wins so Jeffries is closer to winning than any Republican.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 03, 2023, 01:51:23 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 03, 2023, 03:09:18 PM
hastahg benji
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 03, 2023, 03:19:50 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 03, 2023, 03:31:07 PM
Post by: who is ted danson? on January 03, 2023, 04:02:25 PM
Post by: james on January 03, 2023, 04:15:18 PM
Post by: james on January 03, 2023, 04:18:41 PM
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2023, 04:35:17 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3777139-desantis-tacks-further-right-amid-2024-speculation/I'm no expert on Florida so I'll assume he got that part about grand juries correct (or the reporter got it wrong) but I'm going to suggest this is outside the jurisdiction of Florida.QuoteThis week alone, he called on the state Supreme Court to convene a grand jury to look into “any and all wrongdoing” with respect to the development and promotion of COVID-19 vaccines
NY beginning to flip red is an interesting sign of things to come once Republicans are done with Trump.You might want to slow your roll about less than a handful of seats flipping in a midterm before you're too disappointed when the state votes 65+% for Democrats in 2024.
Post by: Nintex on January 03, 2023, 04:59:20 PM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1610375672001712128 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1610375672001712128)
https://twitter.com/BradWal31353317/status/1610394965510873088 (https://twitter.com/BradWal31353317/status/1610394965510873088)
:dead
https://twitter.com/Cecchini_DC/status/1610386470660964361 (https://twitter.com/Cecchini_DC/status/1610386470660964361)
:trumps
Apparently Kevin had told Gaetz and the others that voting against him was useless because Democrats would vote 'present' and/or support him over any rebellion and they would all be sidelined.
They bet on the fact that the Democrats wouldn't bail him out and AOC said she didn't know about any deal the Democrats had made with Kevin.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 03, 2023, 05:31:48 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 03, 2023, 05:37:38 PM
Thank you President Trump :salute
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2023, 05:54:54 PM
Post by: Tasty on January 03, 2023, 05:54:55 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/PcIFnCgcG10AAAAM/jon-stewart-eat.gif)
Post by: Tasty on January 03, 2023, 05:59:31 PM
McCarthy needs to go with God 🙏
Post by: Nintex on January 03, 2023, 06:36:14 PM
5/5 STARS - Editors Award
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2023, 06:43:21 PM
Post by: Tasty on January 03, 2023, 10:33:11 PM
NY beginning to flip red is an interesting sign of things to come once Republicans are done with Trump.
You might want to slow your roll about less than a handful of seats flipping in a midterm before you're too disappointed when the state votes 65+% for Democrats in 2024.
The Grand Secret of the Northeast: it's secretly red except for national politics, which mostly hinges on a half-dozen cities.
CT is like 50/50 GOP/Dem in my experience. Mass is 70/30 in favor of the GOP it's just Boston is so huge. Even in Boston there's red pockets (I've looked at both 2016 and 2018 maps by district) and red mayors are a Boston staple. Lots of NE states have conservative govs and legislatures... but you're right, the end result every time, when it comes down to the Presidency, is NE states being a consistent blue wall. Not that our paltry electoral collage votes really matter anyways...
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2023, 10:47:42 PM
There are absolutely pockets of MAGA (and other) Republicans in every location (California regularly gives more votes for Republicans than any other state) but as Himu seems immune to learning, land doesn't vote, so those pockets are not going to win anything statewide and in many cases can't even muster up wins in Congressional districts. In the case of New York, we're talking about two House seat flips (out of 26) and three total state legislature seat flips, it's not like the R's reduced the D's supermajorities or took control because Horchul underperformed after taking office without an election.
Post by: Tasty on January 03, 2023, 10:49:41 PM
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They downplay social and cultural issues and focus on economic and governance ones. This is every Republican in the Boston-DC corridor for the last 30 years or more and half the ones before then back nearly a century.
This is what the party should be tho...
Stop trying to make Christianity the new Sharia Law ffs.
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2023, 10:51:00 PM
Post by: Tasty on January 03, 2023, 10:52:53 PM
I don't disagree, but their voters do!
:snoop
Post by: Tasty on January 03, 2023, 10:56:22 PM
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“This is an utter, unmitigated disaster,” ex-White House chief of staff and George W. Bush operative Karl Rove exclaimed to John Roberts on Fox News Channel earlier today as Republicans self-cannibalized. “Chaos tends to bring about chaos until it no longer brings about chaos. We’re a long way from the point at which chaos stops bringing around more chaos.”
And Karl Rove knows something about chaos.
Quote
“Insanity is a good word to use when we talk of this group,” ex-GOP operative Wallace replied to Sherman of her past party partners and the ever-increasing demands on McCarthy by the likes of the Freedom Caucus and others.
:insane
Post by: Nintex on January 04, 2023, 04:32:22 AM
Chaos! Disaster! :karen
Invading Iraq for not existing WMD's and crashing the economy?
Great leadership :jeb
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1610466774981672961 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1610466774981672961)
Now that's a player hater
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 04, 2023, 05:47:06 AM
Post by: Nintex on January 04, 2023, 06:33:00 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fln_UqhaEAEZZR9?format=jpg)
:trumps
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1610474360321572864 (https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1610474360321572864)
:lol
Post by: BIONIC on January 04, 2023, 08:32:48 AM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on January 04, 2023, 08:39:46 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 04, 2023, 08:58:01 AM
Why is “wife” in scare quotes? :dead
Cause he's a homosexual and his wife is his beard.
Post by: Nintex on January 04, 2023, 09:29:06 AM
CONGRATULATIONS ON THE HUGE RATINGS EVERYONE!!!!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 04, 2023, 10:14:52 AM
Post by: Nintex on January 04, 2023, 10:44:56 AM
and. the. hits. keep. coming.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FloxjIuWAAAc3T8?format=jpg)
https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1610651621691895810 (https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1610651621691895810)
https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1610649823702618112 (https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1610649823702618112)
Now we have 4 camps
Trump (supports McCarthy but not Mitch)
Trump supporters (support Trump but not McCarthy and Mitch)
Republicans (support Trump, Mitch and McCarthy)
RINO's (support Mitch and McCarthy but not Trump)
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 04, 2023, 10:56:17 AM
the house will still have a dumb asshole as house leader
Post by: Pissy F Benny on January 04, 2023, 11:20:48 AM
Ben Garrison isn't even drawing him buff anymore.
Post by: Nintex on January 04, 2023, 04:49:40 PM
(The Trump statement might be a fake but no one knows for sure)
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1610750919099940864 (https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1610750919099940864)
Post by: Nintex on January 04, 2023, 05:03:14 PM
it was fake :dead
https://twitter.com/jordainc/status/1610712742847209473 (https://twitter.com/jordainc/status/1610712742847209473)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on January 04, 2023, 05:54:54 PM
Post by: Potato on January 04, 2023, 06:01:49 PM
Is the speaker like where it is in Britain where it's just some dickhead shouting order? If so why does anyone care :heh
Third in line of succession apparently...
Post by: Nintex on January 04, 2023, 06:21:18 PM
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2023, 07:41:28 PM
Is the speaker like where it is in Britain where it's just some dickhead shouting order? If so why does anyone care :hehNo, it's not at all like the Commonwealth Speakers (the Speaker of the House actually rarely presides personally), it's effectively the PM stripped of the executive functions. The Speaker has control over all business in the House, although it's not technically true because of rule changes, you basically do not get to bring something up for a vote in the House without the Speaker's permission.
One thing that is common is that the Speaker usually does not vote except to break ties or other procedural votes.
Post by: Tasty on January 04, 2023, 08:17:39 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 04, 2023, 08:22:32 PM
Post by: Tasty on January 04, 2023, 08:52:16 PM
Post by: Potato on January 04, 2023, 09:29:52 PM
So many non-Americans here :existentialWe can't help it if your parliament is where the best laughs are to be had...
:elon
Post by: BIONIC on January 04, 2023, 09:34:01 PM
So many non-Americans here :existential
Should invade their countries for natural resources tbh. That’ll show ‘em.
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2023, 10:11:53 PM
benji, how likely is it we get to the next election cycle and there's still no speakerProbably pretty unlikely, there's been much more contested elections in the past, though only one after the Civil War. After the 1854 election it took 133 ballots and two months with 135 different people getting votes and they had to change the rules to allow a plurality.
20 votes isn't a lot, they're basically going to have to decide if they'd prefer Jeffries over McCarthy.
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2023, 11:44:57 PM
twitter.com/MattLaslo/status/1610346549888057346https://twitter.com/RobertGarcia/status/1610396414353313793
Post by: Tasty on January 05, 2023, 12:04:49 AM
twitter.com/MattLaslo/status/1610346549888057346https://twitter.com/RobertGarcia/status/1610396414353313793
(https://i.imgur.com/BPvo4ru.gif)
Post by: Tasty on January 05, 2023, 12:05:37 AM
So many non-Americans here :existentialWe can't help it if your parliament is where the best laughs are to be had...
:elon
The hell is a "parly-ment"? :rage
Post by: Uncle on January 05, 2023, 01:08:35 AM
he's supposed to be throwing a car and there's an extremely distraught man in the corner
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2023, 01:24:38 AM
that's not an original superman #1 is it...?That's Action Comics #1:
he's supposed to be throwing a car and there's an extremely distraught man in the corner
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Action_Comics_1.jpg?20180130001720)
Post by: Nintex on January 05, 2023, 06:55:36 AM
https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1610963477912342529 (https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1610963477912342529)
Post by: Himu on January 05, 2023, 10:32:33 AM
The House Republicans are incompetents. We should have figured this out after the midterm that the far right people in the GOP are cunts destroying us. Instead the GOP has gone FURTHER right in the last 72 hours and refuses to concede with reasonable centrist Dems.
I'm yelling AUGH!!!! like Charlie Brown.
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1610984842463776770?
Post by: Nintex on January 05, 2023, 12:38:11 PM
:doge
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1611056767261343746 (https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1611056767261343746)
Oh shi
https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1611057504120893440 (https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1611057504120893440)
Cracks in the McCarthy camp
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1611027629339037696 (https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1611027629339037696)
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 05, 2023, 01:44:16 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 05, 2023, 02:22:18 PM
STOP THE COUNT!
Post by: Himu on January 05, 2023, 02:44:55 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 05, 2023, 03:22:33 PM
Post by: james on January 05, 2023, 03:31:12 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 05, 2023, 04:05:22 PM
Post by: who is ted danson? on January 05, 2023, 04:34:33 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlvERrPX0AYM4SC?format=jpg)
:dead
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 05, 2023, 04:36:58 PM
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2023, 04:51:11 PM
Every day this goes on is one less day to get to the bottom of the Hunter Biden laptop. Dont they know whats at stake???THANK YOU JAMES LISTEN TO THE MAN:
https://twitter.com/BrentTerhune/status/1600273638892134405
:hesright
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2023, 04:52:02 PM
Post by: Tasty on January 05, 2023, 05:15:52 PM
Quote
“Are you guys watching the Speakership fest?” comedian Kathy Griffin, a vocal critic of former President Trump, said in a video posted on Tik Tok. “I know it’s bad for the country, but it’s good for us.”
:wtf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo9VIPXpJGs
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 05, 2023, 05:17:47 PM
Post by: Tasty on January 05, 2023, 05:34:02 PM
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2023, 05:44:34 PM
Why isn't the vote a simple majority?It is?
Post by: Tasty on January 05, 2023, 05:48:06 PM
Why isn't the vote a simple majority?
Sigh, if only...
(https://i.imgur.com/CKt3RYO.png)
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2023, 05:53:18 PM
Nobody got a majority on any of those ballots.Why isn't the vote a simple majority?
Sigh, if only...
(https://i.imgur.com/CKt3RYO.png)
Post by: Nintex on January 05, 2023, 06:00:25 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 05, 2023, 06:02:16 PM
Why isn't the vote a simple majority?It is?
Isn't a simple majority the most votes?
Post by: Tasty on January 05, 2023, 06:03:16 PM
Nobody got a majority on any of those ballots.Why isn't the vote a simple majority?
Sigh, if only...
(https://i.imgur.com/CKt3RYO.png)
OK but like I took an edible tonight give me a mulligan on this one
Post by: Tasty on January 05, 2023, 06:04:53 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlvlQfWWIAMoCUP?format=jpg)
https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1610819812342611970
Gatez got some good memes :trumps
He should go back to his mom's basement posting on 4chan
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 05, 2023, 06:05:39 PM
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2023, 06:08:21 PM
Isn't a simple majority the most votes?That's a plurality.
And you can't have a minority party organize the body, Occam will call you a threat to democracy.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 05, 2023, 06:22:53 PM
Isn't a simple majority the most votes?That's a plurality.
And you can't have a minority party organize the body, Occam will call you a threat to democracy.
This just clicked me for me.
I pride myself in being condensing and this is embarrassing.
Post by: Potato on January 05, 2023, 06:23:14 PM
Depends on your definition.Why isn't the vote a simple majority?It is?
Isn't a simple majority the most votes?
In some countries, a "simple majority" is whoever gets the most votes. Then you have an "absolute majority" which is when you require more than 50% of votes.
https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/your-questions-on-notice/questions/in-parliament-which-votes-require-a-simple-majority-and-which-votes-require-an-absolute-majority/ (https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/your-questions-on-notice/questions/in-parliament-which-votes-require-a-simple-majority-and-which-votes-require-an-absolute-majority/)
Post by: Nintex on January 05, 2023, 06:23:19 PM
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2023, 06:29:44 PM
This just clicked me for me.I'm actually seeing a lot of people elsewhere not getting it, so I'll put it another way. If it was just a plurality/most votes, it wouldn't matter anyway. Jeffries can be Speaker and nothing will happen because the Republicans still have a majority so the Democrats will lose every vote. Democrats can have every chair of every committee if they want, the Republicans will still be the majorities in those and nothing can be done without the majority. The only instances where anything would happen would be all the unanimous random shit they do like name some bathroom in some park after some guy or whenever enough Republicans split off which could happen in committees because you only need a couple but once it advances to the floor that's not enough votes.
I pride myself in being condensing and this is embarrassing.
The more likely scenario (after the insurgents just giving up at some point) is the Republicans find a compromise candidate enough Democrats can support but at the moment the Democrats have no incentive to break ranks to start the session when the Republicans can look stupid and nothing of value is being lost anyway. The Democrats crying to the media about "what if there's an emergency? We won't be able to hold a hearing" should be obvious for what it is. (Say there was an emergency that needed the House to actually do something, the House can at any time vote to suspend the rules, unanimously declare war on Canada and then go back to casting ballots for Speaker.)
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 05, 2023, 06:48:57 PM
This just clicked me for me.I'm actually seeing a lot of people elsewhere not getting it, so I'll put it another way. If it was just a plurality/most votes, it wouldn't matter anyway. Jeffries can be Speaker and nothing will happen because the Republicans still have a majority so the Democrats will lose every vote. Democrats can have every chair of every committee if they want, the Republicans will still be the majorities in those and nothing can be done without the majority. The only instances where anything would happen would be all the unanimous random shit they do like name some bathroom in some park after some guy or whenever enough Republicans split off which could happen in committees because you only need a couple but once it advances to the floor that's not enough votes.
I pride myself in being condensing and this is embarrassing.
The more likely scenario (after the insurgents just giving up at some point) is the Republicans find a compromise candidate enough Democrats can support but at the moment the Democrats have no incentive to break ranks to start the session when the Republicans can look stupid and nothing of value is being lost anyway. The Democrats crying to the media about "what if there's an emergency? We won't be able to hold a hearing" should be obvious for what it is. (Say there was an emergency that needed the House to actually do something, the House can at any time vote to suspend the rules, unanimously declare war on Canada and then go back to casting ballots for Speaker.)
Look
I already said I was embarrassed. I don't need all these words just to put me down.
Post by: Nintex on January 05, 2023, 07:00:54 PM
Post by: Tasty on January 05, 2023, 07:42:12 PM
If the R's don't elect Trump as speaker on January 6th to 'own the libs' they might as well just disband the Republican party.
(https://i.imgur.com/JUo0Ldf.gif)
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2023, 08:07:13 PM
Depends on your definition.A simple majority is still a majority, not a plurality. As your own link says:
In some countries, a "simple majority" is whoever gets the most votes. Then you have an "absolute majority" which is when you require more than 50% of votes.
https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/your-questions-on-notice/questions/in-parliament-which-votes-require-a-simple-majority-and-which-votes-require-an-absolute-majority/ (https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/your-questions-on-notice/questions/in-parliament-which-votes-require-a-simple-majority-and-which-votes-require-an-absolute-majority/)
Quote
Most ideas – motions – are agreed to by a simple majority. A simple majority is when a majority of those who are present agree to the idea.This isn't just the "most votes" though I certainly do not know if either house of the AU Parliament can have motions with more than two options like in the case of this Speaker vote the wording seems to indicate that if this was possible a majority would still be needed.
From a corresponding question:
Quote from: https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/your-questions-on-notice/questions/how-is-the-government-elected-in-parliament/
The Australian Government is part of the Australian Parliament. After a federal election, the party or coalition of parties with the support of the majority – more than half – of members elected to the House of Representatives becomes the government.
To remain in office the government must keep the support of the majority in the House of Representatives.
I can't seem to find out at the moment how Australia does it. Do they up/down vote a single PM candidate until someone gets approved or are all the parties leaders (plus randoms) nominated and there's a single ballot? Some countries (typically the French-Spain sphere) do one way and others (typically the UK sphere, which is why the US Speaker vote and the Electoral College is like this) do the other way.
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2023, 08:50:38 PM
Post by: Potato on January 05, 2023, 09:37:39 PM
Australian parties go to an election with a "nominated" leader.Depends on your definition.A simple majority is still a majority, not a plurality. As your own link says:
In some countries, a "simple majority" is whoever gets the most votes. Then you have an "absolute majority" which is when you require more than 50% of votes.
https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/your-questions-on-notice/questions/in-parliament-which-votes-require-a-simple-majority-and-which-votes-require-an-absolute-majority/ (https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/your-questions-on-notice/questions/in-parliament-which-votes-require-a-simple-majority-and-which-votes-require-an-absolute-majority/)QuoteMost ideas – motions – are agreed to by a simple majority. A simple majority is when a majority of those who are present agree to the idea.This isn't just the "most votes" though I certainly do not know if either house of the AU Parliament can have motions with more than two options like in the case of this Speaker vote the wording seems to indicate that if this was possible a majority would still be needed.
From a corresponding question:Quote from: https://peo.gov.au/understand-our-parliament/your-questions-on-notice/questions/how-is-the-government-elected-in-parliament/The Australian Government is part of the Australian Parliament. After a federal election, the party or coalition of parties with the support of the majority – more than half – of members elected to the House of Representatives becomes the government.
To remain in office the government must keep the support of the majority in the House of Representatives.
I can't seem to find out at the moment how Australia does it. Do they up/down vote a single PM candidate until someone gets approved or are all the parties leaders (plus randoms) nominated and there's a single ballot? Some countries (typically the French-Spain sphere) do one way and others (typically the UK sphere, which is why the US Speaker vote and the Electoral College is like this) do the other way.
If that person wins their seat at the election, the parliament meets and it is usually a formality for that person to be nominated by the house to sit as Prime Minister and to form government. As long as they have an absolute majority in the lower house (MPs rarely cross the floor and they would never cross the floor when deciding who will be PM). That nominated PM then goes to visit the Governor-General who will swear in them and their cabinet (must be MPs/Senators from the lower and upper house) in as a government.
If the party with the most lower house seats does not win an absolute majority (what we refer to as a simple majority), they must govern with the support of minor parties or independents (forming a minority government). They have the numbers only because there is an agreement with the independents to guarantee supply. This has happened quite often in federal and state parliaments. Until a new PM is sworn in, the old PM remains in a caretaker capacity.
If no party can get the support needed to guarantee supply, or they lose the support of the minor parties/independents during their term, then we go back to another election.*
*I am 99% sure this is how all this happens. It's been a while since I learned all this stuff.
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 05, 2023, 09:41:20 PM
They should nominate "Generic Republican" that guy always does well in polls but never actually runs, he can probably bring the party together.
I don't think they can nominate Colin Powell on account of him being dead, but I'm not a lawyer.
Post by: Himu on January 05, 2023, 09:47:48 PM
https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1610316616679530497
Post by: Potato on January 05, 2023, 09:53:15 PM
A simple majority is still a majority, not a plurality. As your own link says:QuoteMost ideas – motions – are agreed to by a simple majority. A simple majority is when a majority of those who are present agree to the idea.This isn't just the "most votes" though I certainly do not know if either house of the AU Parliament can have motions with more than two options like in the case of this Speaker vote the wording seems to indicate that if this was possible a majority would still be needed.
All major decisions must be decided by an absolute majority (i.e. >50% of the seats). This includes voting for speaker, PM (we do not have direct vote for PM), legislation etc. An MP/Senator missing a vote is pretty major and people have been hauled out of their sick beds to vote. Pretty sure they all are yea/nay votes.
Motions are not major decisions. I don't know if there are situations where they have more than two options, btu they probably do.
There is no reasonable situation in Australian politics where the position of PM or speaker has not already been negotiated within parties before taken to a vote.
Post by: Nintex on January 06, 2023, 09:32:35 AM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1611338935384543233 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1611338935384543233)
:drudge
John Bolton is running for President, Trump's first Primary Challenger.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1611366240701874177 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1611366240701874177)
Post by: james on January 06, 2023, 10:04:35 AM
Post by: Nintex on January 06, 2023, 10:26:06 AM
Did he just literally m'lady CNN :lol
Say what you will about the January 6th rioters it took them only about 30 minutes to elect a speaker.
Post by: Potato on January 06, 2023, 02:34:58 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 06, 2023, 04:37:54 PM
Post by: Himu on January 06, 2023, 06:19:02 PM
A tale of two parties.
As 2023 gets underway, the GOP is experiencing ‘a big belly flop’ (https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/2023-gets-underway-gop-experiencing-big-belly-flop-rcna63939)
Top Biden adviser: White House heads into new year with ‘strong jolt of momentum’ (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3780765-top-biden-adviser-white-house-heads-into-new-year-with-strong-jolt-of-momentum/)
Tbf it's depressing progressive legislation can only get passed every 10-15 years the GOPers have a big in-fight, but I guess the pendulum swings both ways there.
As said before and it is unfortunate given how satanic Progressive policy truly is, this decade belongs to the Democratic Party. There's no way Biden is losing. He is the most effective Democratic President since LBJ or FDR in terms of getting their agenda across. But this will also make Dems cocky and bubbling on the surface is a rising counter culture. The next decade, politically, will be interesting. And frightening. Let's see how things flip in interesting ways. NY beginning to flip red is an interesting sign of things to come once Republicans are done with Trump.
Satanic? Dafuq?
Yes. There's no shock that many progressives have a taste for Satan.and how their policies are a snowball on a cliff that slowly destroys society from the family unit to governments, as it placates human desire and that modernism which is tied to progressives thought. Take the 1960's. Flower power, hippies, the summer of love, the ruination of old thought and an embracement of the new and untested. John Lennon wrote later that he didn't believe in anything but himself. The more we stray from tradition the more unhappy, unfulfilled, untethered we feel as we are lost in the murky soup of subjective morality. Gone is community and replaced with rampant individualism; gone is the respect for individual opinions and replaced with fealty to the group. We subsist in a quagmire of inherent contradictions and nothing matters but making the next dollar. Progressivism and modernity are satanic reactions to WWII where envision a world where we can do whatever the fuck we want whether it's miring in the stench of dysfunction that involves twerking and dressing like a whore or setting life saving medicine like insulin up to impossible to afford prices. Look at how the Democratic Party plays up and caters to ending natural order in the name of being "open and nice", where man becomes woman and woman becomes man. Look at how Republicans play up Christian arrogance for piety.
It all has Shayton's number on it.
Post by: Nintex on January 06, 2023, 06:33:26 PM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1611387793837539328 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1611387793837539328)
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2023, 09:39:24 PM
Yes. There's no shock that many progressives have a taste for Satan.and how their policies are a snowball on a cliff that slowly destroys society from the family unit to governments, as it placates human desire and that modernism which is tied to progressives thought. Take the 1960's. Flower power, hippies, the summer of love, the ruination of old thought and an embracement of the new and untested. John Lennon wrote later that he didn't believe in anything but himself. The more we stray from tradition the more unhappy, unfulfilled, untethered we feel as we are lost in the murky soup of subjective morality. Gone is community and replaced with rampant individualism; gone is the respect for individual opinions and replaced with fealty to the group. We subsist in a quagmire of inherent contradictions and nothing matters but making the next dollar. Progressivism and modernity are satanic reactions to WWII where envision a world where we can do whatever the fuck we want whether it's miring in the stench of dysfunction that involves twerking and dressing like a whore or setting life saving medicine like insulin up to impossible to afford prices. Look at how the Democratic Party plays up and caters to ending natural order in the name of being "open and nice", where man becomes woman and woman becomes man. Look at how Republicans play up Christian arrogance for piety.The problem with your theory is that the roots of American progressivism are in the religious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Gospel
It all has Shayton's number on it.
If you want to make a religion based criticism it's that they're trying to force Heaven on Earth through violence and submission of minorities but most Christians have never really taken that whole thing about forgoing benefits on Earth for paradise in Heaven very seriously, especially not in the last, say, five hundred years.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 06, 2023, 10:41:29 PM
6-year-old shot teacher at Newport News, Virginia, elementary school, police say
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2023, 11:36:49 PM
https://youtu.be/Dp9XYnoEAMA
I think everybody should grow playoff beards until a Speaker is elected.
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2023, 05:09:45 AM
:usacry THIS FUCKING COUNTRY SOMETIMES :usacry
Post by: Nintex on January 07, 2023, 05:26:01 AM
https://twitter.com/Al_Drago/status/1611580635969118209 (https://twitter.com/Al_Drago/status/1611580635969118209)
Post by: Nintex on January 07, 2023, 05:30:08 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fl2S-RAXwAAQ9gE?format=jpg)
https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1611625462488252416 (https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1611625462488252416)
Post by: Potato on January 07, 2023, 04:13:30 PM
Congratulations Speaker McCarthy!!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fl2S-RAXwAAQ9gE?format=jpg)
https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1611625462488252416 (https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1611625462488252416)
Yep, that's what this statement from Trump himself appears to show. Undying support from the beginning until the end.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlvERrPX0AYM4SC?format=jpg)
Fucking clown show of a party and a bunch of idiots that only a moron could support.
Post by: Nintex on January 07, 2023, 07:27:13 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fl5kNWKXwAA31kH?format=jpg)
:hesright
Post by: Tasty on January 07, 2023, 07:35:14 PM
Fucking clown show of a party and a bunch of idiots that only a moron could support.
:hesright
Post by: Tasty on January 07, 2023, 07:39:00 PM
Quote
“Is he willing to shut the government down rather than raise the debt ceiling?” Rep. Ralph Norman (S.C.), one of the Republicans who had been opposing McCarthy for Speaker this week before switching sides, said Wednesday. “That’s a non-negotiable item.”
Actively hoping the gov't shuts down for their own ends... :snoop
Putin right now:
:putin (https://i.imgflip.com/37u3g1.png?a464664) :putin
I'm definitely happy modern GOPers weren't running things during the Cold War or we probably wouldn't even exist right now.
I'm not sure calling such a tactic "treasonous" hits hard enough.
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2023, 07:50:58 PM
House Speaker is yesterday's news, we've moved on to more important matters.How does he know Howard Stern's ratings when they aren't disclosed?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fl5kNWKXwAA31kH?format=jpg)
:hesright
None of that kind of stuff gets shutdown during the "government shutdowns" and a shutdown that stopped things like Vietnam probably would have been the moral thing to do.Quote“Is he willing to shut the government down rather than raise the debt ceiling?” Rep. Ralph Norman (S.C.), one of the Republicans who had been opposing McCarthy for Speaker this week before switching sides, said Wednesday. “That’s a non-negotiable item.”
Actively hoping the gov't shuts down for their own ends... :snoop
Putin right now:
:putin (https://i.imgflip.com/37u3g1.png?a464664) :putin
I'm definitely happy modern GOPers weren't running things during the Cold War or we probably wouldn't even exist right now.
I'm not sure calling such a tactic "treasonous" hits hard enough.
Post by: Nintex on January 07, 2023, 08:12:59 PM
Quote
I'm definitely happy modern GOPers weren't running things during the Cold War or we probably wouldn't even exist right now.On the contrary. One could argue that Bill Clinton's support of Yeltsin's cronyism is what made the word 'Democracy' toxic in Russia for generations paving the way for Putin and vaporized trust in pretty much 'ALL' institutions that were created for economic development and free trade such as the world bank and IMF.
We are on the brink because:
- Clinton and Albright failed to make Russia a Democratic state in the 90's
- The US dismantled Ukraine's unclear arsenal making it vulnerable to attacks
- Obama failed to stop Putin from taking over Crimea (and didn't take action when he did)
When it comes to Russia, Biden is an anomaly among Democrats.
Post by: BrokenVerses on January 07, 2023, 08:36:51 PM
Quote“Is he willing to shut the government down rather than raise the debt ceiling?” Rep. Ralph Norman (S.C.), one of the Republicans who had been opposing McCarthy for Speaker this week before switching sides, said Wednesday. “That’s a non-negotiable item.”
Actively hoping the gov't shuts down for their own ends... :snoop
Putin right now:
:putin (https://i.imgflip.com/37u3g1.png?a464664) :putin
I'm definitely happy modern GOPers weren't running things during the Cold War or we probably wouldn't even exist right now.
I'm not sure calling such a tactic "treasonous" hits hard enough.
Ukraine military aid has already been approved for quite some time going forward.
Putin is fucked regardless of the new Congress. HIMARS will keep tearing through their artillery and supply lines and the PATRIOTs and Bradleys showing up it is only going to get harder for the Russians.
Post by: Tasty on January 07, 2023, 09:27:40 PM
QuoteI'm definitely happy modern GOPers weren't running things during the Cold War or we probably wouldn't even exist right now.On the contrary. One could argue that Bill Clinton's support of Yeltsin's cronyism is what made the word 'Democracy' toxic in Russia for generations paving the way for Putin and vaporized trust in pretty much 'ALL' institutions that were created for economic development and free trade such as the world bank and IMF.
We are on the brink because:
- Clinton and Albright failed to make Russia a Democratic state in the 90's
- The US dismantled Ukraine's unclear arsenal making it vulnerable to attacks
- Obama failed to stop Putin from taking over Crimea (and didn't take action when he did)
When it comes to Russia, Biden is an anomaly among Democrats.
Is Bill Clinton the Jesus of Democracy or something? What kind of moron thought he'd be able to convert Russia, wholesale, to anything in 4-8 years max?
Even in Japan it took way more time than that, and that was considered a miracle for how fast it went!
The idea that Russians hate the very concept of democracy only because BILL CLINTON is some kind of US fragility/self-hate. C'mon now. It's not like everyone in Russia was cheering Gorbachev on as he dismantled the USSR, it was pretty much the opposite. :lol
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2023, 10:54:22 PM
Post by: Tasty on January 07, 2023, 11:07:44 PM
Nintex's geopolitical and historical takes may or may not correspond with actual events
(https://i.imgur.com/gOlK1S6.png)
Post by: Nintex on January 08, 2023, 07:23:00 AM
It's an interesting history to look into but the short version is that Bill Clinton and the US kept Yeltsin in power by helping him with his political campaigns as well as helping him secure massive loans from the IMF/World Bank to continue his corrupt regime.QuoteI'm definitely happy modern GOPers weren't running things during the Cold War or we probably wouldn't even exist right now.On the contrary. One could argue that Bill Clinton's support of Yeltsin's cronyism is what made the word 'Democracy' toxic in Russia for generations paving the way for Putin and vaporized trust in pretty much 'ALL' institutions that were created for economic development and free trade such as the world bank and IMF.
We are on the brink because:
- Clinton and Albright failed to make Russia a Democratic state in the 90's
- The US dismantled Ukraine's unclear arsenal making it vulnerable to attacks
- Obama failed to stop Putin from taking over Crimea (and didn't take action when he did)
When it comes to Russia, Biden is an anomaly among Democrats.
Is Bill Clinton the Jesus of Democracy or something? What kind of moron thought he'd be able to convert Russia, wholesale, to anything in 4-8 years max?
Even in Japan it took way more time than that, and that was considered a miracle for how fast it went!
The idea that Russians hate the very concept of democracy only because BILL CLINTON is some kind of US fragility/self-hate. C'mon now. It's not like everyone in Russia was cheering Gorbachev on as he dismantled the USSR, it was pretty much the opposite. :lol
Adam Curtis Traumazone basically sums up all the events from the fall of the USSR to right before Putin is appointed. Aside from a few notes there is no commentary, simply the events as they happen.
This isn't much different from the US supporting other corrupt regimes at the time what is different is that Clinton personally visited Yeltsin to show his support and ensure foreign investors everything was fine.
Democracy was a traumatic experience for the Russians and instead of making sure that they knew this is not what Democracy is, the west kept the facade going and played a big part in the corruption.
It's not much different from what happened to Afghanistan. Our support for Karzai pretty much ruined any chance of a Democracy there and instead drove the people back into the hands of the Taliban.
In Japan and Germany we did better. We showed that Democracy would bring more food to the table and less death and destruction.
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What kind of moron thought he'd be able to convert Russia, wholesale, to anything in 4-8 years max?It was a policy called 'shock therapy' that economists implemented and the US including Clinton insisted to continue even when the cracks started to show.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 08, 2023, 01:41:41 PM
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2023, 05:31:28 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 08, 2023, 06:55:55 PM
Who was the largest opposition to Yelstin, Nintex?In numbers the communists but mostly his fellow reformers. Yeltsin dissolved the parliament and his opponent the speaker of parliament later said this:
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Yeltsin received support when he shelled the parliament, but do you see what kind of constitution we have now? It's not just a constitution, it's a super-constitution. Nobody has any power in our country except the president. You can't even sneeze without his permission. And that is a direct consequence of what happened back then."
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2023, 09:29:39 PM
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2023, 10:08:22 PM
:dead
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2023, 01:15:27 AM
(https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/FT_22.11.10_DemRaceGender_1.png)
(https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/FT_22.11.10_DemRaceGender_3.png)
TRANSPHOBIA!!!!!!!!! :stop
Mmm. What delicious, delicious medicine.
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2023, 01:39:02 AM
https://twitter.com/smilingoutloud2/status/1611713017678553088
:hmm
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2023, 01:42:24 AM
Libs control the WH, had a great midterm, have a GOP Civil War going on, are hitting legislative wins, are highly projected to retake the WH, just got a moderate Republican House Speaker from CALIFORNIA and the pathetic creatures on Twitter are still calling for an existential threat. Lmfao
Pathetic mewling eternal victims. The Democratic bread and butter.
Post by: Nintex on January 09, 2023, 06:34:47 PM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1612591815219376128 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1612591815219376128)
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1612559379290640392 (https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1612559379290640392)
:lol
Meanwhile DT promises more great things like what we've seen so far
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmDpIiBWIAklcCM?format=jpg)
Post by: Himu on January 10, 2023, 10:07:18 AM
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Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) and Rep. Don Beyer (D-Va.) sent a letter to the agency in December urging it to take action against the appliances, saying they are a “cumulative burden” on minority and low-income households.
https://nypost.com/2023/01/09/biden-administration-reportedly-weighing-national-ban-on-gas-stoves/
Always forcing their way onto all of society every single time.
Post by: james on January 10, 2023, 10:35:43 AM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on January 10, 2023, 01:06:15 PM
https://twitter.com/DiamondandSilk/status/1612636233196355586
Post by: Nintex on January 10, 2023, 01:12:56 PM
RIP
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2023, 07:02:36 PM
Oh, no, not the military and FBI budget. :fbm
spoiler (click to show/hide)
There's also an assumption in the question that MSNBC viewers apparently don't know the Senate is an equal part of the same branch. :doge
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Post by: tiesto on January 11, 2023, 12:29:52 PM
50% of Trump’s black friends just dropped dead.
https://twitter.com/DiamondandSilk/status/1612636233196355586
Was gonna say 33.3% but then remembered even Trump distanced himself from Ye.
Post by: james on January 11, 2023, 01:19:33 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 11, 2023, 02:00:58 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 11, 2023, 02:21:09 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 11, 2023, 02:34:05 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 11, 2023, 04:02:44 PM
:biden
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 12, 2023, 07:26:19 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/qynPsBk.png)
Post by: who is ted danson? on January 12, 2023, 02:33:01 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 12, 2023, 04:51:32 PM
Secret Service going around planting Classified Documents they found at the Mar-a-lago in Biden's Corvette :info
This is bigger than Watergate.
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1613566304858025984 (https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1613566304858025984)
Trump pulls in COCO CHOW
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmSr3saaYAA-8iz?format=jpg)
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2023, 05:35:13 PM
Trump pulls in COCO CHOWWas Donald Trump, who hired Coco Chow for his cabinet and she served the entire term, involved? Just asking?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmSr3saaYAA-8iz?format=jpg)
Post by: Nintex on January 12, 2023, 06:55:34 PM
America was becoming Great Again while the Old Crow had tremendous "sway" over the party and did nothing. I wish the Old Crow and COCO CHOW good luck with their marriage!
Post by: Pissy F Benny on January 12, 2023, 07:10:30 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 12, 2023, 07:36:50 PM
Special Councils :money
Post by: HaughtyFrank on January 12, 2023, 10:42:01 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 13, 2023, 03:32:57 AM
Post by: Nintex on January 13, 2023, 03:06:11 PM
The walls are closing in!!!
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 13, 2023, 03:12:47 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 13, 2023, 03:47:22 PM
Pisstape HOAX
Russia Russia Russia HOAX
WW3 HOAX
Stormie Daniels HOAX
Charlotsville HOAX
Impeachment HOAX No. 1
Impeachment HOAX No. 2
Mueler HOAX
George Floyd HOAX
Fake Melania HOAX
Walter Reed HOAX
China Virus HOAX
January 6th HOAX
Classified Documents HOAX
Tax Returns HOAX
New York Tax HOAX
How many hoaxes are left before they finally give up?
Post by: benjipwns on January 13, 2023, 09:41:47 PM
oh god we're doomed
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hopefully just an angry Alito dissent on the end of a 7-1-1 split.
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Post by: Nintex on January 14, 2023, 04:35:10 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 14, 2023, 07:39:47 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on January 14, 2023, 08:14:01 PM
The walls are finally closing in on Biden.
Unlike the skifs!
Post by: benjipwns on January 14, 2023, 08:17:11 PM
Post by: who is ted danson? on January 15, 2023, 03:25:47 AM
Post by: Snoopycat_ on January 15, 2023, 05:33:35 AM
Post by: Nintex on January 15, 2023, 02:09:28 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 16, 2023, 06:35:44 PM
"So I hear he's running, we'll handle that the way I handle things" o shi :omg
Post by: Tasty on January 16, 2023, 09:13:21 PM
:derp Why are Republicans like this lol
Post by: Tasty on January 16, 2023, 11:34:29 PM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1615109922403885067 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1615109922403885067)
"So I hear he's running, we'll handle that the way I handle things" o shi :omg
Trump "handling things": "It's been three years of #stopthesteal and Biden's still in office!! :crybaby"
Hillary "handling things":
(https://i.imgur.com/AFBxfOT.png)
Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2023, 11:54:18 PM
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/01/wyoming-republicans-take-a-stand-want-to-ban-electric-cars/I'm not sure the headline here is accurate, as Ars Technica notes in their article:
:derp Why are Republicans like this lol
Quote
Anderson told the Cowboy State Daily that if successful, Wyoming's legislature would inform the rest of the world that "if you don’t like our petroleum cars, well, we don’t like your electric cars."I actually wonder if they could pass this if it wasn't a meaningless resolution or if it'd die immediately.
But even if the bill passes—not impossible, given the tight Republican control of both chambers of Wyoming's legislature—it does not bind the state to any action other than a general sense of opprobrium toward cars powered by batteries.
Indeed, the Cowboy State Daily quotes State Senator Brian Boner, another politician behind the bill, as saying some might describe the bill as "tongue-in-cheek, but obviously it’s a very serious issue that deserves some public discussion."
Post by: Nintex on January 19, 2023, 06:37:08 PM
Even more of an anti-campaign than the 2016 campaign.
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1615758359596261377 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1615758359596261377)
Is 'Diamond' the trigger word for a Wagner squad to take out Ronnie?
Post by: HaughtyFrank on January 19, 2023, 08:24:11 PM
There's something special about US politics
Post by: Potato on January 19, 2023, 10:33:25 PM
https://twitter.com/JUNlPER/status/1616108471052558336"Special"
There's something special about US politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2023, 10:55:22 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 19, 2023, 11:41:25 PM
So this drag queen killed a dog?
Come on, he didn't kill a dog. He just stole money from a GoFundMe for a veteran's dying service dog. In drag.
Post by: benjipwns on January 21, 2023, 05:11:36 AM
:stahp
for clarification on what Sheila Jackson Lee's bill actually wants to do
https://twitter.com/AriCohn/status/1615934651444379648
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Post by: Nintex on January 21, 2023, 05:58:00 PM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1616877932810575872 (https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1616877932810575872)
Ron DeFlopsis :trumps
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1616947718168920066 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1616947718168920066)
:biden
Post by: chronovore on January 23, 2023, 02:49:59 AM
Post by: Himu on January 23, 2023, 12:06:43 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2023, 03:12:34 PM
wat
Post by: Himu on January 23, 2023, 03:16:41 PM
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1617570843776761869 (https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1617570843776761869)
wat
:crowdlaff
Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2023, 03:31:16 PM
I will probably have an aneurysm if Trump is re-elected.
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1616994104327475201 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1616994104327475201)
It's going to be wild when Trump loses the electoral college but wins the popular vote.
Post by: Himu on January 23, 2023, 04:58:25 PM
Trump is going to lose.
Post by: benjipwns on January 23, 2023, 09:47:15 PM
Post by: james on January 24, 2023, 09:05:44 AM
Post by: Nintex on January 24, 2023, 09:10:10 AM
Silk: "Whenever we went to see him, Trump treated us like one of his children, we were so close..."
Trump: "I knew Diamond but I didn't know you (Silk) at all."
Trump [in front of a 99% African American audience in a black church]: "I've always wondered about this do you guys prefer to be called African American or Black?"
Post by: james on January 24, 2023, 09:23:44 AM
https://twitter.com/BeschlossDC/status/1617709394619404288
:pika :pika
Post by: Nintex on January 24, 2023, 02:06:46 PM
Red Mike got caught Red Handed. :trumps
Post by: james on January 24, 2023, 02:49:27 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 24, 2023, 04:07:19 PM
Keep digging boys, we might finally get CheneyHe probably moved them all to George's ranch.
"Heya Dick, long time no see partner."
"Hello George, ...can we store these boxes in your barn? I'm uhh helping Liz to redecorate. Her diary is in there somewhere so she insists no one peeks in the boxes."
"Sure thing Dick! 6 vans? Woowee partner, nothing like some spring cleaning right? Did you see this thing about Pence? Am I glad I left all that spooky stuff to you, Condi and Rummy and never read any of those papers.
Imagine lying about that to the feds, now that's a Texas Rodeo Mexican Stand-off with the feds you don't want to get involved in, imagine having to find a lawyer willing to take that case. I still have nightmares from 9/11"
"Hmm yes, looks like Mike Pence is in a lot of trouble George. 9/11 was a tragedy for many Americans George if you're still traumatized that shows character and courage"
"Yeah but many Americans didn't have to deal with that commitee stuff that turns your brain into a fried corn stick"
"Well George, just like I told you - they never see it from our perspective"
:kermit
Post by: Snoopycat_ on January 24, 2023, 08:19:18 PM
Post by: Himu on January 25, 2023, 07:43:03 AM
I'm going to just paste what someone on my Discord server said because they said it all:
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Sad that "civil rights" has become a cover for radical leftism.
More often than not when civil rights is mentioned you can assume that the activist involved has some ties to abolishing the police, Marxism, attacking "whiteness," pushing black supremacy, or falsely causing racial moral panics.
It started back in roughly 2017 with the women's march but a lot of other institutions that claim to follow civil rights like the ADL and ACLU have fallen to radicalism as well.
Another day, another "protest".
Post by: Himu on January 25, 2023, 07:45:21 AM
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1617932914875826194 (https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1617932914875826194)
Red Mike got caught Red Handed. :trumps
So turns out all Presidents and Veeps and people of the Oval Office do this. Obama next?
At this point, if so, who cares if Trump had documents at Mar El Lago? It's something all of these politicrooks do.
Post by: benjipwns on January 25, 2023, 04:25:01 PM
I'm going to just paste what someone on my Discord server said because they said it all:"It started back in roughly 2017" :roflQuoteSad that "civil rights" has become a cover for radical leftism.
More often than not when civil rights is mentioned you can assume that the activist involved has some ties to abolishing the police, Marxism, attacking "whiteness," pushing black supremacy, or falsely causing racial moral panics.
It started back in roughly 2017 with the women's march but a lot of other institutions that claim to follow civil rights like the ADL and ACLU have fallen to radicalism as well.
At this point, if so, who cares if Trump had documents at Mar El Lago? It's something all of these politicrooks do.The main point is how he refused to give them back when asked multiple times and lied about it. He didn't just discover them and turn them in voluntarily like Biden and Pence.
Post by: benjipwns on January 25, 2023, 05:10:59 PM
https://twitter.com/GlennKesslerWP/status/1617871581015085060
Post by: james on January 25, 2023, 05:31:55 PM
Post by: james on January 26, 2023, 10:17:41 AM
You dumb euros should have voted for him too
U.S. GDP rose 2.9% in the fourth quarter, more than expected
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/26/gdp-q4-2022-us-gdp-rose-2point9percent-in-the-fourth-quarter-more-than-expected-even-as-recession-fears-loom.html
Post by: Nintex on January 26, 2023, 03:01:13 PM
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boosts in government spending and private investment aided growth.
(https://www.agenzianova.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/FWqAkQrXwAIkF0m.jpg)
Business is booming jack :biden
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1618704771464167424 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1618704771464167424)
:pika
Post by: Nintex on January 26, 2023, 07:53:09 PM
Post by: benjipwns on January 27, 2023, 12:33:37 AM
Quote from: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/01/25/mollie_hemingway_facebook_unbanning_trump_isnt_even_close_to_making_right_to_what_they_did_to_this_country.html
MOLLIE HEMINGWAY, THE FEDERALIST: It is unbelievable that they were allowed for two years, that Facebook was allowed to deplatform at first the sitting president of the United States, then the leader of the Republican party, now a candidate for president, a potential future president of the United States. They did this in part because people were not creating enough outrage over it.:stahp
Facebook in general has done so much to attack freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and the freedom of free people to debate. They didn't do it just with Trump. They did it with all sorts of effective voices. All sorts of important debates about COVID. And, so, finally two years later after meddling in election after election, now they're finally saying, oh, he can come back now. This isn't even coming close to making right what they did to this country and what they continue to do.
It is true that the left has become this authoritarian totalitarian force. They have pushed to continue this horrific censorship that has done so much to destroy civil society in the United States. So they did try to keep the pressure on Facebook. But that is not to their credit that they are even worse than Google or Facebook or Twitter or these Big Tech companies that have done so much censorship against the American people.
It's just crazy how much the left supports this type of restriction on how people can say or think or what should happen to them when they do. I think it's also worth remembering when this happened -- when this move to take President Trump off of these platforms happened -- it was so bad that it alarmed people who don't even have the protections of our First Amendment. Angela Merkel was appalled. Various other European leaders were terrified about what was happening with how much control these Big Tech companies have over -- if you can do this to the sitting president of the United States, this makes you more powerful than most governments.
They are not just private companies. They have a lot of privileges that are afforded to them. This cannot continue. And if they think, oh, after two years of this type of thing, allowing a little bit of more free expression would keep people from coming after them, I think they have another thing coming. They are an existential threat to the country and the party.
Post by: BIONIC on January 27, 2023, 04:04:53 PM
https://twitter.com/ap/status/1619051120084586507
Post by: Potato on January 27, 2023, 04:18:33 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 27, 2023, 05:49:59 PM
It's the family of the speaker right, she's the third in line. Like if they shot me and they shot Mike, you'd have Nancy. Boy, that would've been something. PRESIDENT PELOSI. The whole world would've laughed at us but thankfully I wouldn't have to live through it.
In any case where is the security. I mean, you can't tell me that Nancy doesn't have security. I've been to that neighbourhood it's the most secure, you wouldn't believe. You have all these big guys standing around, ay yay yay, they're packing right? She knows what I'm talking about.
Anyway there this weirdo, his pants are halfway down. They open the door like a cute couple. This weirdo takes the hammer and hits poor Paul but not in the usual way. :trumps
Post by: Nintex on January 27, 2023, 08:05:15 PM
:salute
Post by: benjipwns on January 27, 2023, 09:11:57 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on January 28, 2023, 12:44:34 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2023, 01:36:32 PM
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1618370493840560128 (https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1618370493840560128)
RIP Ron DeSantis.
Post by: Nintex on January 28, 2023, 04:54:12 PM
I wonder if in 2024 Democrats will actually put "WAR WITH RUSSIA (and maybe China)" in all caps in their platform.
It's fucking crazy that the only viable anti-war candidate is Donald Trump :doge
Post by: Nintex on January 29, 2023, 06:43:50 AM
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1619399285203927041 (https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1619399285203927041)
https://twitter.com/NEWSMAX/status/1619468209337372673 (https://twitter.com/NEWSMAX/status/1619468209337372673)
Orange man is back on the campaign trail
Post by: benjipwns on January 29, 2023, 02:32:54 PM
:american
Post by: chronovore on January 30, 2023, 12:28:49 AM
I will dance a public jig when Trump kicks it.
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on January 30, 2023, 07:58:48 PM
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2023, 01:27:24 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 31, 2023, 06:28:48 PM
wait for the end
Post by: Nintex on January 31, 2023, 06:51:24 PM
"The Washington Compost" :dead
https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1620515428874485760 (https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1620515428874485760)
Post by: Potato on January 31, 2023, 07:11:43 PM
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1620541496398336000 (https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1620541496398336000)Is that a storytime session for mentally handicapped children or something?
wait for the end
Post by: Tasty on January 31, 2023, 07:27:25 PM
:trumps
Post by: Tasty on January 31, 2023, 07:30:32 PM
It's fucking crazy that the only viable anti-war candidate is Donald Trump :doge
No, you're just fucking crazy. :social2
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on January 31, 2023, 08:54:07 PM
https://twitter.com/rhinosoros/status/1620226088877330436
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2023, 10:04:12 PM
Quote from: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/01/31/lindsey_graham_there_are_no_trump_policies_without_trump_i_dont_think_you_can_do_what_he_did.html
SEAN HANNITY: How will other candidates distinguish themselves against Donald Trump if they agree with his policies?:popular :era :popular
SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM: I really don't know, but I do know this. We're lucky it's a party to have Mike Pompeo, who was a terrific secretary of state. Nikki Haley, a strong voice in the U.N. for the American-First agenda. My buddy and love him, Tim Scott, right? Mike Pence is maybe the most decent guy to ever serve in the government.
Here's why I am with Trump. I know the downside of Trump but let me tell you about the upside of Trump. There are no Trump policies without Donald Trump. Do you know why NATO gave $431 billion in defense spending increases? Because they thought Trump really moment when it he said he was going to pull out.
Do you know why the capital -- we moved the embassy of the United States to Jerusalem? Every president before Trump said "I will do it" but then all the smart people said it would create World War II. Trump said, "I said I would do it, I would do it."
He's responsible for securing the border through his personal will. When he put tariffs on Chinese products, it scared the crap out of Mexico and they said, "Yes, we'll be glad to give you 28,000 troops, we'll be glad to keep people in Mexico. "Because they thought Trump would put tariffs on Mexican policies.
There are no Trump policies without the man, Donald Trump. And to all these people who are very talented, I don't think you could do what he did, and I want him to have another shot. Unfinished business.
...
SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM: No, we need to get ready for a real spirited contest. Now, why Trump? You mentioned like DeSantis, if you try to tell me that Ron DeSantis is not a good governor in Florida, I'm not going to listen to you. If you try to tell me Mike Pompeo is not qualified to be president, I'm not going to listen to you because I think he is.
I am for Trump not because of the flaws of anybody else. I'm for Donald Trump because I know what I'm going to get. We need somebody that, on day one, can get this country back on track. That can secure our border and bring order out of chaos. Somebody the Russians and the Chinese fear. Somebody that can take the fight to the terrorists. The Abraham Accords are the result of Donald Trump impressing the Arabs and the Israelis. He's the best solution to the problems we face, not because of the flaws of others but because of what I know he can do, and I'm telling your listeners right now, when you hear, "I like Trump policies but I'm ready for somebody new," there are no Trump policies without Donald Trump.
Post by: Tasty on January 31, 2023, 11:59:34 PM
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Somebody the Russians... fear
(https://i.imgur.com/7c8jLHx.jpg)
Riiiiiiiiiiight.
Post by: Tasty on February 01, 2023, 12:01:00 AM
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there are no Trump policies without Donald Trump
This is moronic and dangerous Cult of Personality type thinking that's barely a step removed from actual cultism.
Post by: Tasty on February 01, 2023, 12:01:39 AM
"He got none! :derp"
Post by: Tasty on February 01, 2023, 12:02:45 AM
> spends 90% of his airtime talking about international affairs
:derp
Post by: Nintex on February 01, 2023, 03:43:53 AM
Post by: james on February 01, 2023, 01:22:24 PM
Post by: Nintex on February 01, 2023, 01:32:05 PM
Post by: Nintex on February 01, 2023, 01:58:06 PM
It's fucking crazy that the only viable anti-war candidate is Donald Trump :doge
No, you're just fucking crazy. :social2
https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1620845924703686657 (https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1620845924703686657)
In true Trump fashion all these messages of peace are posted by the Trump War Room :dead
Post by: Nintex on February 01, 2023, 06:18:55 PM
https://twitter.com/NikkiHaley/status/1620848767472631810 (https://twitter.com/NikkiHaley/status/1620848767472631810)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn5uzgPaMAAicKm?format=jpg)
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2023, 07:11:29 PM
Post by: Nintex on February 01, 2023, 07:25:26 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 01, 2023, 08:21:36 PM
Loved the Trump vaccines?
Exactly, he needed Trump's help to create the phony vaccines faster than anyone thought possible for the Wuhan Flu that was created by China but was actually fake anyway, so we're going to make China pay for the money that RINO DeSantis wasted on "Testing".
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2023, 09:54:20 PM
:hmm
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 02, 2023, 12:13:18 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on February 02, 2023, 10:34:19 AM
Post by: james on February 02, 2023, 10:51:58 AM
Post by: Uncle on February 02, 2023, 08:31:40 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2023, 08:54:21 PM
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 02, 2023, 09:21:08 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2023, 09:51:53 PM
Post by: james on February 02, 2023, 11:06:00 PM
Post by: Potato on February 03, 2023, 12:43:00 AM
Jackie Chan escaping China in a balloon would be pretty cool, ngl.Isn't he a hardcore CCP apologist?
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2023, 01:40:30 AM
Post by: Nintex on February 03, 2023, 09:29:21 AM
Post by: Nintex on February 03, 2023, 12:31:02 PM
:hesright
Post by: james on February 03, 2023, 02:42:10 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 04, 2023, 01:05:51 AM
Quote from: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/02/02/trump_on_second_term_plans_i_would_be_entitled_to_a_revenge_tour_but_i_wouldnt_do_that.html
HH: If you’re back in the Oval, will you use the powers of the presidency to punish people who punished you?...unless? :trumps
DJT: No, I wouldn’t do that because I want to bring our country forward. No, I wouldn’t do that. Some people think I will. Some people think that’s words, but I wouldn’t.
HH: One of the best things you did when you ran the first time--
DJT: I would be entitled to a revenge tour, if you want to know the truth, but I wouldn’t do that.
Post by: Nintex on February 04, 2023, 01:40:17 AM
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“Ron DeSantis got elected because of me. You remember he had nothing. He was dead. He was leaving the race. He came over and he begged me, begged me for an endorsement,” Trump said, even claiming that DeSantis was crying at the time.
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1621751917054496768 (https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1621751917054496768)
Post by: benjipwns on February 04, 2023, 01:51:51 AM
Ah yes, the famously well known six months later endorsement bounce:Quote“Ron DeSantis got elected because of me. You remember he had nothing. He was dead. He was leaving the race. He came over and he begged me, begged me for an endorsement,” Trump said, even claiming that DeSantis was crying at the time.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/944276471614509057
(https://i.imgur.com/CY8Zwwy.png)
Not to be confused with the late stage narrow pulling ahead by 30,000 votes on election day ten month later endorsement bounce:
(https://i.imgur.com/3WrkgTl.png)
Post by: Sman on February 04, 2023, 04:09:50 AM
Jackie Chan escaping China in a balloon would be pretty cool, ngl.Isn't he a hardcore CCP apologist?
How could he not be?
Chinese people need to be controlled, as he puts it.
Can you imagine Chinese people thinking on their own?
:mindblown
Post by: Nintex on February 04, 2023, 05:57:29 AM
It will be like this
President Bolton declares world war 3 and that ugly moustache is the last thing we'll ever see
Mike Pompeo... losing a few pounds won't make you less of a lightweight Mike this isn't weightwatchers
The great Ron DeSantis everybody now there's a real conservative. Who do you love more Ron your beautiful wife or Matt Gaetz. I love Matt but not like that but we have to be inclusive right?
Trump will push his buttons until he cries.
On the bright side Ron will probably grow a beard, act less like a little bitch and host a succesful podcast like Ted Cruz did after Trump took him down.
Post by: Nintex on February 04, 2023, 01:40:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/live/crbb7DALW20?feature=share (https://www.youtube.com/live/crbb7DALW20?feature=share)
:cruise
Post by: HaughtyFrank on February 04, 2023, 02:36:24 PM
Post by: Nintex on February 04, 2023, 02:52:12 PM
Post by: Himu on February 04, 2023, 03:37:02 PM
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the Energy Department this week proposed new rules that amount to a gradual de facto ban.
the Energy Department proposed new efficiency standards that would ban the sale of most gas stoves currently on the market? The stated purpose of the rule-making is to reduce energy consumption and save consumers money. But these benefits are meager. The department estimates the proposed rule would reduce energy use by a mere 3.4% from the status quo, and consumers on average would save $21.89 over a cook-top’s lifetime.
Twenty of the 21 gas stove-top models that the Energy Department tested wouldn’t comply with its proposed standards.
The Inflation Reduction Act also includes a $840 rebate to buy electric stoves plus $500 to convert from gas. Yes, Americans, they really are coming for your gas stoves.
What is argued to be for safety is really about control. They want us to all think the same way, do the same things, share the same views, and share the same tech. What is argued to be progressive is just slavery of another name whether it's shutting down your business because you're operating at more 25% capacity during Covid or because you have a gas stove. They will do anything to argue "safety" as a reason to shove their boot down on your neck and down your ass. Then, when they're done, they'll ask you to lick it.
Post by: Potato on February 04, 2023, 04:30:18 PM
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1621936913652367360 (https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1621936913652367360)Just waiting for the Chinese to start shooting down all of the US "weather balloons" and various espionage satellites they currently have over mainland China.
https://www.youtube.com/live/crbb7DALW20?feature=share (https://www.youtube.com/live/crbb7DALW20?feature=share)
:cruise
Post by: D3RANG3D on February 05, 2023, 10:06:01 AM
Post by: james on February 06, 2023, 01:30:35 PM
Post by: Nintex on February 06, 2023, 01:56:39 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2023, 10:24:16 PM
:hmm
Post by: chronovore on February 06, 2023, 10:24:20 PM
Jackie Chan escaping China in a balloon would be pretty cool, ngl.
He already did that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Around_the_World_in_80_Days_(2004_film)
Post by: benjipwns on February 07, 2023, 06:05:52 AM
:omg :omg :omg :omg
lol forgot about this guy, so that's at least four of the five 
https://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes/status/1331804968358006784
https://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes/status/1330351270075408384
https://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes/status/1330351270075408384
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Post by: Nintex on February 07, 2023, 07:08:03 AM
:pika
Post by: D3RANG3D on February 07, 2023, 12:31:45 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on February 07, 2023, 12:43:27 PM
Post by: Nintex on February 07, 2023, 03:13:04 PM
:trumps
Post by: Nintex on February 08, 2023, 06:35:12 AM
:biden
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on February 08, 2023, 02:35:29 PM
:american
Post by: Nintex on February 08, 2023, 03:55:37 PM
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No denial, though.
Curious.
:trumps
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2023, 04:14:18 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on February 08, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
I'm telling you guys, I think Trump is gonna truck him. Solely because that base is so mentally challenged that "but he didn't deny it" is a logical retort to them. DeSantis is being funded by the establishment, Trump remains the candidate of the people (lol).
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1622361911965745153
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/0c74b8aef745e7ed64da3feb63cd9b4e/tenor.gif)
Post by: Tasty on February 08, 2023, 06:08:54 PM
Dark Brandon Saga going full insane-o mode :whew :biden
Post by: Tasty on February 08, 2023, 06:14:18 PM
8-D chess :trumps :biden
Post by: Nintex on February 08, 2023, 06:21:29 PM
https://twitter.com/gavinbena/status/1623212737600921604It's just a trick to make them watch the video.
Dark Brandon Saga going full insane-o mode :whew :biden
https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1623160380540198913 (https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1623160380540198913)
Post by: BIONIC on February 08, 2023, 06:22:06 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on February 08, 2023, 07:33:23 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on February 08, 2023, 07:49:23 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 08, 2023, 09:19:53 PM
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1623412720199426048
I'm sure they'll be arrested and executed at Gitmo soon, with exclusive coverage by RealRawNews.
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2023, 09:56:43 PM
Replies on that tweet are full of lunatics including people demanding imprisonment without trial and even execution of former Twitter executives for treason. :lol
Post by: Tasty on February 09, 2023, 12:24:10 AM
8———D Chess
:mouf
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2023, 11:59:59 AM
I'm always a big fan of elected officials explaining that they don't understand how the law works.
Replies on that tweet are full of lunatics including people demanding imprisonment without trial and even execution of former Twitter executives for treason. :lol
https://twitter.com/BruceLight11l/status/1623535374520958977
Read the Constitution, benji! No mercy for those that commit treason during The War on Christmas.
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2023, 04:17:43 PM
Quote from: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5056694/user-clip-representative-summer-lee-free-speech
I'm not the only lawyer in the room and while the Constitution does provide us the right to free speech, there are of course limitations as she pointed out, we cannot yell fire in a crowded theater. Compromising freedom of speech may seem dangerous until we weigh that compromise against the men and women massacred in Buffalo or the many other places where radicalized extremists found their motivation to kill on social media. It's not about oppression but public safety. It's not about censorship but protecting our democracy from misinformation.
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Lee
earned a Juris Doctor from the Howard University School of Law in 2015:stahp :era :stahp
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2023, 05:07:27 PM
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1623412720199426048
I'm sure they'll be arrested and executed at Gitmo soon, with exclusive coverage by RealRawNews.
My sources say the death penalty, for espionage, being considered for Twitter execs. I am pro-life and take no pleasure in reporting this.
Post by: D3RANG3D on February 10, 2023, 02:12:01 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on February 10, 2023, 02:14:03 PM
weirdd
Post by: Nintex on February 10, 2023, 02:31:34 PM
???
Post by: james on February 10, 2023, 02:41:30 PM
Post by: Uncle on February 10, 2023, 02:49:47 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on February 10, 2023, 02:57:56 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on February 10, 2023, 05:42:31 PM
I'm always a big fan of elected officials explaining that they don't understand how the law works.
Replies on that tweet are full of lunatics including people demanding imprisonment without trial and even execution of former Twitter executives for treason. :lol
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1623889097256304640
:dead
Post by: Nintex on February 10, 2023, 07:19:13 PM
:rogan
Post by: Potato on February 10, 2023, 07:45:03 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2023, 10:37:25 PM
Look, if the alien overlords can't avoid a missile, then they're not worthy quite frankly.They're so advanced they scoffed that the ship would need shields against mere propelled projectiles, surely the Earth Species used advanced energy weapons like they do.
Post by: Uncle on February 10, 2023, 11:42:41 PM
turns out that due to unforeseen biological differences they grossly miscalculated the amount of energy required to damage humans, so their "energy weapons" feel to us like a comforting blast from a hair dryer set to mediumLook, if the alien overlords can't avoid a missile, then they're not worthy quite frankly.They're so advanced they scoffed that the ship would need shields against mere propelled projectiles, surely the Earth Species used advanced energy weapons like they do.
Post by: zomgee on February 11, 2023, 12:05:31 AM
turns out that due to unforeseen biological differences they grossly miscalculated the amount of energy required to damage humans, so their "energy weapons" feel to us like a comforting blast from a hair dryer set to mediumLook, if the alien overlords can't avoid a missile, then they're not worthy quite frankly.They're so advanced they scoffed that the ship would need shields against mere propelled projectiles, surely the Earth Species used advanced energy weapons like they do.
The Vl'Hurgs waged war on the G'Gugvuntts for a long time, until they realised that it had all been a terrible mistake, and the two armies joined forces to attack Earth. Unfortunately, due to a terrible miscalculation of scale, the entire fleet was eaten by a small dog.
Post by: Nintex on February 11, 2023, 08:40:35 AM
https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1624283438093156352 (https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1624283438093156352)
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on February 11, 2023, 10:03:26 AM
Post by: D3RANG3D on February 11, 2023, 02:33:34 PM
Post by: Potato on February 11, 2023, 03:16:33 PM
imagine being so salty about never banging a black chickWho do you think was in the pee tape?
Post by: Tasty on February 11, 2023, 11:45:15 PM
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2023, 12:32:36 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on February 12, 2023, 09:23:51 AM
imagine being so salty about never banging a black chickWho do you think was in the pee tape?
what pee tape?
Post by: Nintex on February 12, 2023, 06:59:36 PM
:dead
Post by: Nintex on February 14, 2023, 05:12:41 PM
Fresh meat for the Trumpinator
Post by: james on February 14, 2023, 05:41:51 PM
:girlaff :crowdlaff :delicious
Post by: Nintex on February 14, 2023, 06:53:44 PM
There's probably some weird thing that Trump noticed when she moved on him on Air Force One and he had to tell her to keep it professional.
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2023, 10:48:31 PM
:stahp
https://twitter.com/TheFIREorg/status/1625662024112914433
:ohyeah
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo-H7eLXsAA9ABo?format=jpg&name=small)
:dead :dead :dead
:dead :dead :dead
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Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2023, 12:50:44 AM
https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1625733249342525441
:stahp :stahp :stahp :stahp
Quote from: https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2023-02/MATUREAct.pdf
(1) IN GENERAL.—Any parent or guardian of an individual less than 16 years of age to whom a social media account is provided in violation of this Act may bring a civil action against the social media company in an appropriate district court of the United States or a State court of competent jurisdiction for—:dead
8 (A) injunctive relief;
9 (B) damages; and
10 (C) attorney’s fees and costs.
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 15, 2023, 02:15:42 PM
Post by: Nintex on February 15, 2023, 06:27:32 PM
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“WHAT DO YOU think of firing squads?”
That’s the question Donald Trump repeatedly asked some close associates in the run-up to the 2024 presidential campaign
:trumps
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2023, 11:01:24 PM
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-ed-note.php
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Court filings in 2019 showed that the total value of the IRA’s Facebook ads that were deemed election-related amounted to $2,930, in a political cycle where billions of dollars were spent. The only reporter to write about that finding was Sperry, of Real Clear Investigations.
Quote
One frequent and vague catchphrase—“people (or person) familiar with”—is widely used by many journalists: the Times used it over a thousand times in stories involving Trump and Russia between October 2016 and the end of his presidency, according to a Nexis search. The last executive editor I worked for, Bill Keller, frowned on its use. He told the staff repeatedly the phrase was “so vague it could even mean the reporter.” The Times, in a statement to CJR, said, “We have strong rules in place governing the use of anonymous sources.” Other outlets mentioned in this piece declined to discuss their anonymous-sourcing practices.I do have a complaint though, it's proper style guidelines to refer to perjurers James Clapper and James Brennan with their perjurer title. The latter should probably be perjurer and delusional conspiracy theorist but I understand that the latter is not a formally recognized title yet.
Another anonymous-sourcing convention that was turbocharged in the Trump era was the use of more neutral descriptors like “government official” or “intelligence official” or “American official” to mask congressional leakers. A few reporters admitted that to me, but, of course, only anonymously. Here’s how it works. First, a federal agency like the CIA or FBI secretly briefs Congress. Then Democrats or Republicans selectively leak snippets. Finally, the story comes out, using vague attribution. “It was a problem for us,” Mike Kortan, the former FBI spokesman until 2018, told me. Kortan, who also worked in Congress, added: “We would brief Congress, try and give them a full picture with the negative stuff, and then a member of Congress can cherry-pick the information and the reporter doesn’t know they’ve been cherry-picked.” The typical reader or viewer is clueless.
My final concern, and frustration, was the lack of transparency by media organizations in responding to my questions. I reached out to more than sixty journalists; only about half responded. Of those who did, more than a dozen agreed to be interviewed on the record. However, not a single major news organization made available a newsroom leader to talk about their coverage.
Post by: chronovore on February 15, 2023, 11:49:21 PM
Post by: chronovore on February 15, 2023, 11:50:28 PM
https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1625515538725187585 (https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1625515538725187585)Quote“WHAT DO YOU think of firing squads?”
That’s the question Donald Trump repeatedly asked some close associates in the run-up to the 2024 presidential campaign
:trumps
It’s possible that he’s dumb enough that he thinks he could get this through. It’s more likely, though that he simply sees this as a dog whistle to get rambunctious ultra right wing followers to mobilize on his behalf.
Post by: Potato on February 16, 2023, 01:33:52 AM
FTFYhttps://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1625515538725187585 (https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1625515538725187585)Quote“WHAT DO YOU think of firing squads?”
That’s the question Donald Trump repeatedly asked some close associates in the run-up to the 2024 presidential campaign
:trumps
It’s possible thathe’sthe US electorate is dumb enoughthat he thinks he couldto let him get this through. It’s more likely, though that he simply sees this as a dog whistle to get rambunctious ultra right wing followers to mobilize on his behalf.
Post by: chronovore on February 16, 2023, 02:56:55 AM
Post by: Himu on February 16, 2023, 02:57:50 AM
Post by: james on February 16, 2023, 10:36:39 AM
Go Nikki :-*
Your religion doesnt allow women to lead men
Post by: Potato on February 16, 2023, 06:02:32 PM
Except, majority Muslim nations have often been led by women and, at last count, the US has only had 0 women presidents.Go Nikki :-*
Your religion doesnt allow women to lead men
Post by: Nintex on February 16, 2023, 06:05:33 PM
:trumps "Sorry to keep you waiting folks, complicated business"Except, majority Muslim nations have often been led by women and, at last count, the US has only had 0 women presidents.Go Nikki :-*
Your religion doesnt allow women to lead men
(https://media.tenor.com/HyY279bNIpsAAAAC/no-nooo.gif)
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1626340696910176259 (https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1626340696910176259)
don't know why Trump is edging DeSantis the race must be getting heated.
Post by: BIONIC on February 16, 2023, 06:28:20 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 17, 2023, 08:01:18 AM
What are the odds Trump came up with that while watching a "special edit" of Rocky 3?
Post by: HardcoreRetro on February 17, 2023, 11:14:20 AM
Post by: Nintex on February 17, 2023, 02:58:39 PM
Trump's just getting started :clap
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1626653474107625487 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1626653474107625487)
Post by: team filler on February 18, 2023, 02:36:47 AM
like dukakis :trumps
Post by: Nintex on February 18, 2023, 02:11:36 PM
Throw in the damn towel
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3863645-desantis-approval-drops-in-gop-primary-poll/ (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3863645-desantis-approval-drops-in-gop-primary-poll/)
Post by: Potato on February 18, 2023, 02:30:32 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpP_jDtXoAIV5iW?format=jpg)If your country considers voting THIS in a second time, just nuke yourself and do the world a favour. Please.
Throw in the damn towel
Post by: Nintex on February 18, 2023, 02:37:41 PM
America loves a comeback story and this is like the biggest comeback story ever.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpP_jDtXoAIV5iW?format=jpg)If your country considers voting THIS in a second time, just nuke yourself and do the world a favour. Please.
Throw in the damn towel
I guess only rivaled by the second rise to power of Napoleon.
He's going to do ballot harvesting and early mail-in voting too beating the Democrats at their own game. It's going to be absolute chaos.
https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1625927997843701763 (https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1625927997843701763)
Post by: Potato on February 18, 2023, 02:54:43 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2023, 01:33:54 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3863645-desantis-approval-drops-in-gop-primary-poll/ (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3863645-desantis-approval-drops-in-gop-primary-poll/)Interesting article, doesn't mention that Trump also dropped. The DeSantis drop is visible in the bump for other anti-Trumps in Haley and Pompeo, but Trump's loss then goes into undecided. I also like the framing being completely around DeSantis when Trump is aggregate polling at the worst he has against the field ever even though there's still only one other announced candidate. The only "benefit" at all is that he's doing slightly better specifically compared to unannounced candidate DeSantis. Trump hasn't commanded a majority of the primary poll since November despite being the only candidate until four days ago. Sad! He should probably save some of his low energy and drop out already.
Post by: Nintex on February 20, 2023, 02:21:43 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpVO5YcWAAEVkCt?format=jpg)
Post by: team filler on February 20, 2023, 03:22:12 PM
"uninspired koch!" he should start calling them the "cock brothers" "uninspired kock!" :trumps
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2023, 05:36:21 PM
And "RINO in disguise"? So not a RINO just appearing to be one?
Post by: Nintex on February 20, 2023, 05:38:57 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2023, 06:50:29 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:nerds
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Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2023, 06:56:13 PM
:american
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/jeffpearlman/status/1627674650271485955
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 21, 2023, 09:44:38 AM
That reads like a slightly less unhinged right wing equivalent of a moviebob tweet.
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2023, 09:59:03 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on February 21, 2023, 11:07:18 AM
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1627665203398688768
:americanspoiler (click to show/hide)https://twitter.com/jeffpearlman/status/1627674650271485955[close]
What is Sedition?
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on February 21, 2023, 11:08:43 AM
#unfoundedmysoginism
Post by: Himu on February 21, 2023, 11:37:28 AM
A far right extremist beat a Trump backed candidate. Surreal because the Trump pick isn't the far right candidate in this case.
This is bad for Michigan GOP. In a purple state like MI she will lose and the state will get a little more blue. Deservedly too.
Post by: Nintex on February 21, 2023, 02:32:47 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1627843328959021056 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1627843328959021056)
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1627844810592641025 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1627844810592641025)
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on February 21, 2023, 02:48:15 PM
:thinking
way to let the corruption out of the bag *checks notes*...
trump
oh
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2023, 06:56:35 PM
What is Sedition?Not something you can tweet, thankfully.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on February 21, 2023, 07:29:25 PM
What is Sedition?Not something you can tweet, thankfully.
Subtle jokes for 500
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2023, 08:02:43 PM
What is Sedition?Not something you can tweet, thankfully.
We'll see about that.
Post by: team filler on February 21, 2023, 09:42:15 PM
Trump's totally back , this is great stuff, taking questions from the crowd :dead:bow :bow :bow :trumps :bow2 :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1627843328959021056 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1627843328959021056)
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1627844810592641025 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1627844810592641025)
Post by: Nintex on February 22, 2023, 01:31:01 PM
There goes another legal case against Trump :mueller
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on February 22, 2023, 01:47:56 PM
emoticon when
Post by: Nintex on February 22, 2023, 01:52:51 PM
She's literally a witch :dead
https://twitter.com/debostic/status/1628257531653922816 (https://twitter.com/debostic/status/1628257531653922816)
Post by: james on February 22, 2023, 02:16:23 PM
I would have voted for treason
Post by: D3RANG3D on February 22, 2023, 02:31:53 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/OFT8eQP.png)
emoticon when
(https://i.imgur.com/621rUh6.png)
Post by: Nintex on February 22, 2023, 03:21:38 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on February 22, 2023, 03:22:48 PM
Post by: Potato on February 22, 2023, 03:28:08 PM
:nintex(https://i.imgur.com/OFT8eQP.png)
emoticon when
(https://i.imgur.com/621rUh6.png)
Edit, lol there's already a Nintex emoticon.
Post by: Nintex on February 22, 2023, 03:40:46 PM
Post by: Uncle on February 22, 2023, 03:55:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/OFT8eQP.png)
emoticon when(https://i.imgur.com/621rUh6.png)
she looks like that one pseudo-meme image of the guy looking at you just like this, drawn outline from a photo, horny like the bueno guy but angled downward
you know what I'm talkin about
Post by: D3RANG3D on February 22, 2023, 04:10:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/OFT8eQP.png)
emoticon when(https://i.imgur.com/621rUh6.png)
she looks like that one pseudo-meme image of the guy looking at you just like this, drawn outline from a photo, horny like the bueno guy but angled downward
you know what I'm talkin about
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/mhD3dK2.png)
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Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on February 22, 2023, 04:10:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/OFT8eQP.png)
emoticon when(https://i.imgur.com/621rUh6.png)
she looks like that one pseudo-meme image of the guy looking at you just like this, drawn outline from a photo, horny like the bueno guy but angled downward
you know what I'm talkin about
I hate that I know what you're talking about.
Post by: Uncle on February 22, 2023, 04:39:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/OFT8eQP.png)
emoticon when(https://i.imgur.com/621rUh6.png)
she looks like that one pseudo-meme image of the guy looking at you just like this, drawn outline from a photo, horny like the bueno guy but angled downward
you know what I'm talkin aboutspoiler (click to show/hide)(https://i.imgur.com/mhD3dK2.png)[close]
WRONG
cauliflower gets me
Post by: Uncle on February 22, 2023, 04:45:17 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/1ZjIEj0.jpg)
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Post by: D3RANG3D on February 22, 2023, 04:50:10 PM
Post by: BIONIC on February 22, 2023, 05:05:35 PM
Post by: team filler on February 22, 2023, 06:17:06 PM
what's her onlyfans? :rash
Post by: Nintex on February 22, 2023, 06:58:18 PM
https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1628522122783121409 (https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1628522122783121409)
Trump also got the backing of Alex Jones and Tim Pool today and Tim Pool has called on Joe Rogan to endorse Trump as well.
Your move meatball ron
Post by: Potato on February 22, 2023, 08:04:25 PM
https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1628496450677260288 (https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1628496450677260288)Those people don't look Palestinian.
https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1628522122783121409 (https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1628522122783121409)
Trump also got the backing of Alex Jones and Tim Pool today and Tim Pool has called on Joe Rogan to endorse Trump as well.
Your move meatball ron
Is this another US discount store location with the name cribbed from a multi-thousand year old place name?
Post by: benjipwns on February 22, 2023, 08:40:17 PM
I was summoned for jury dutya couple of weeks ago but I wasnt selected.Don't worry I've got one coming up, I love prosecutors!
I would have voted for treason
Post by: HardcoreRetro on February 23, 2023, 05:18:31 AM
I'm with Israel on this one.
Post by: james on February 23, 2023, 11:42:09 AM
https://twitter.com/asyakhamsin1/status/1627541483245936642
Post by: Nintex on February 23, 2023, 01:36:06 PM
Trump: Gives you a hat and pays for your McDonalds :ohyeah
Post by: team filler on February 23, 2023, 05:59:57 PM
then it goes to the next level because he's wearing some african designers stolen clothes :dead
Post by: Potato on February 23, 2023, 06:23:14 PM
Biden admin caught stealing from taxpayersApparently he's a serial luggage thief as well!!
https://twitter.com/asyakhamsin1/status/1627541483245936642
The replies on that tweet are wild
Post by: BIONIC on February 23, 2023, 06:35:54 PM
I honestly don’t know what’s real anymore, but this shit is hilarious :dead
Post by: Potato on February 23, 2023, 07:01:51 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2023, 09:29:12 PM
:jeanluc
Post by: team filler on February 23, 2023, 09:45:05 PM
it's like reeee but government. you're free to do all of that, until someone with power doesn't like what you're doing :trumps
Post by: Himu on February 24, 2023, 10:19:49 AM
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2023, 01:11:50 PM
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1628846870167449603 (https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1628846870167449603)
:dead
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2023, 07:45:52 PM
:wut
Post by: team filler on February 24, 2023, 07:50:37 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on February 24, 2023, 08:52:30 PM
https://twitter.com/SenWarren/status/1629145143289819140
:american
Post by: team filler on February 24, 2023, 09:27:16 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2023, 10:02:53 PM
Post by: Himu on February 24, 2023, 11:39:03 PM
We need more Mom n Pop defense contractors!!!
https://twitter.com/SenWarren/status/1629145143289819140
:american
Support local defense contractors
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2023, 11:46:31 PM
twitter.com/Burnett18/status/1627735598143311887https://twitter.com/AzCapitolTimes/status/1628244996683079680
:jeanluc
Eighty years ago guys, come on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2023, 02:17:38 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/AriCohn/status/1629510542703329284
https://twitter.com/AriCohn/status/1629511695923048449
https://twitter.com/AriCohn/status/1629511695923048449
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I remember the good old days when people couldn't just write stuff this wrong because the government protected us.
Post by: jorma on February 26, 2023, 06:32:34 AM
although in their defense, when they write "europe" they probably mean "uk", where the goverment sometimes intervene to prevent some celebrity from being outed or whatnot (but they're still higher on the rankings than the US)
and just last fall the msm in Sweden (no 3 on the list) did post things like "stolen election herp derp" but that was mostly to quote some sour grapes politician on the losing side :trumps
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2023, 08:55:50 AM
Lmfao trump touring Ohio. Trump really turned lemons into lemonade with this lmfao
https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1629668038864781315 (https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1629668038864781315)
:rogan "But if there was an emergency wouldn't the McDonalds be closed and not serving food? Wouldn't it be impossible for you to visit the town if there were toxic fumes everywhere? Wouldn't people get sick and go to the hospital?"
"It just shows how careless and incompetent these people like Pete Buttedgedge are. Thank god we got there in time to save the great state of Ohio and pick up some McDonalds so I could skip Melania's homemade salad which would've put me in the Hospital" :trumps
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2023, 02:46:07 PM
:doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge
told youuuu
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2023, 03:54:24 PM
Meatball Ron should announce he's not running and keep his powder dry for 2028.
Otherwise he ends up on the growing pile of politicians that got derailed by the Trump train.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2023, 04:58:37 PM
And that poll was probably taken pre-Ohio.
Meatball Ron should announce he's not running and keep his powder dry for 2028.
Otherwise he ends up on the growing pile of politicians that got derailed by the Trump train.
DeSantis about to be the next Scott Walker, Tim Pawlenty, etc. Bland, uncharismatic governors who walk into Iowa and just flop. Bullying gay dudes, teachers and trans women is pretty easy. Getting on stage and going toe to toe with Trump is another thing entirely.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 26, 2023, 05:30:10 PM
Post by: Nintex on February 26, 2023, 05:37:11 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1629873058759540737 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1629873058759540737)
HOT PREDICTION: Meatball Ron hitches his wagon to the Trump Train and runs as his VP by September (or whenever the rubber starts to meet the road).Trump doesn't want him as his VP. He needs someone boring that won't steal his thunder and won't fuck up either.
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2023, 08:50:01 PM
twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1629872229646323713Again, 43% is the lowest Trump has been in almost seven years, this poll is right in line with the average which has Trump at his worst position since he won the nomination in 2016. Focusing on the performance of a non-candidate a year before Iowa is exactly what they want you to do.
:doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge
told youuuu
Post by: Nintex on February 27, 2023, 01:16:15 PM
Trump scores higher than any of his competitors and that's before any debates so they're somehow doing worse than him.twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1629872229646323713Again, 43% is the lowest Trump has been in almost seven years, this poll is right in line with the average which has Trump at his worst position since he won the nomination in 2016. Focusing on the performance of a non-candidate a year before Iowa is exactly what they want you to do.
:doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge
told youuuu
The Democrat party is pretty much the same I guess. You'd have Biden at 40% or so and Kamala, Pete etc. trailing him.
The race is also clearly trending in Trump's favor
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1629937573421350912 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1629937573421350912)
Big endorsement for Meatball Ron :lol
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1629846391466983424 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1629846391466983424)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 27, 2023, 01:51:34 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2023, 04:42:52 PM
Look at the primary schedule fellas. Even assuming Trump loses Iowa again, where else is he gonna lose? Those early states are very Trump friendly, the rallies will return, and he will completely dominate media coverage.
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2023, 09:00:40 PM
Trump scores higher than any of his competitors and that's before any debates so they're somehow doing worse than him.No, it's not. Trump was polling 57-60% against non-candidates for like two years, now he's polling 43% against non-candidates. Emerson is the only poll he's been at 50% or higher in since the midterms.
The Democrat party is pretty much the same I guess. You'd have Biden at 40% or so and Kamala, Pete etc. trailing him.
The race is also clearly trending in Trump's favor
Not great for an undefeated incumbent President.
Post by: james on February 27, 2023, 09:16:46 PM
Trump scores higher than any of his competitors and that's before any debates so they're somehow doing worse than him.No, it's not. Trump was polling 57-60% against non-candidates for like two years, now he's polling 43% against non-candidates. Emerson is the only poll he's been at 50% or higher in since the midterms.
The Democrat party is pretty much the same I guess. You'd have Biden at 40% or so and Kamala, Pete etc. trailing him.
The race is also clearly trending in Trump's favor
Not great for an undefeated incumbent President.
FACT CHECK
Trump was polling below the 40s against his primary opponents for the first half of the race
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Nationwide_polls_for_the_2016_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries.svg/1920px-Nationwide_polls_for_the_2016_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries.svg.png)
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2023, 10:11:16 PM
FACT CHECKYes, in 2015-2016, when he started from zero. Nobody's talking about eight years ago.
Trump was polling below the 40s against his primary opponents for the first half of the race
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Nationwide_polls_for_the_2016_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries.svg/1920px-Nationwide_polls_for_the_2016_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries.svg.png)
Post by: james on February 27, 2023, 10:29:06 PM
FACT CHECKYes, in 2015-2016, when he started from zero. Nobody's talking about eight years ago.
Trump was polling below the 40s against his primary opponents for the first half of the race
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Nationwide_polls_for_the_2016_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries.svg/1920px-Nationwide_polls_for_the_2016_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries.svg.png)
That image started in January 2016, election year. Try again Benjamin.
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2023, 02:44:03 PM
Wheelchair over the cliff kind of guy :dead
https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1630563361371963396 (https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1630563361371963396)
Fox News is starting to figure out they're backing the wrong horse.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2023, 02:49:26 PM
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1630619761640980491
:lol
Post by: zomgee on February 28, 2023, 03:00:39 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2023, 06:01:37 PM
wait when did bill turn heel
After the election he switched to DeSantis. Dude a huge dick sucker on twitter, dozens of tweets every day focused on riding DeSantis and shading Trump. At some point he has to realize he fucked up because 70% of his twitter engagement is coming from MAGA folks who don't like DeSantis. Feels like he jumped on the losing ship and can't handle it. This time next year could be real ugly for DeSantis, assuming he starts out as poorly as I think he will in the primaries. Maybe he turns it around but...yea.
Post by: Himu on February 28, 2023, 06:06:05 PM
Post by: Nintex on February 28, 2023, 08:00:50 PM
:wut
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2023, 08:12:21 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on February 28, 2023, 08:35:40 PM
:dead
Post by: team filler on February 28, 2023, 08:39:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1630676090854187015 (https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1630676090854187015)was he on the edging ward? :noah
:wut
Post by: Potato on February 28, 2023, 08:53:53 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Mdixon55/status/1630577547166490625That's actually surprisingly funny from people who are notoriously humourless
:dead
Post by: Himu on February 28, 2023, 09:54:03 PM
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2023, 09:56:33 PM
Also funny from the notoriously humorless are all the people on Twitter breathlessly talking about how it's literally fascism and literally what Hitler did. :americantwitter.com/Mdixon55/status/1630577547166490625That's actually surprisingly funny from people who are notoriously humourless
:dead
Post by: james on March 01, 2023, 02:05:16 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 01, 2023, 02:06:52 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 01, 2023, 07:32:33 PM
:wut
Post by: Uncle on March 01, 2023, 08:05:25 PM
Post by: james on March 01, 2023, 10:12:27 PM
Post by: Potato on March 02, 2023, 02:32:14 AM
https://twitter.com/AhComfy/status/1630966861344149505That's an AI generated image, right?
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on March 02, 2023, 10:18:58 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SenMikeLee/status/1630999446149373953
It's pretty telling the life's these people lead with the phrase "Twitter did not alert me ahead of time".
Post by: Nintex on March 02, 2023, 06:29:38 PM
https://twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1631072611567271940 (https://twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1631072611567271940)
well he's a clown so that checks out :trumps
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 02, 2023, 08:27:38 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2023, 08:46:21 PM
Post by: paprikastaude on March 02, 2023, 09:52:53 PM
"comedy"
https://twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1631072611567271940 (https://twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1631072611567271940)
well he's a clown so that checks out :trumps
This is like beef between 20yo Youtubers.
Post by: Potato on March 02, 2023, 11:23:43 PM
Everyone who watched this is now less intelligent for the experience. Who the fuck watches this idiot? Why?"comedy"
https://twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1631072611567271940 (https://twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1631072611567271940)
well he's a clown so that checks out :trumps
This is like beef between 20yo Youtubers.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on March 03, 2023, 08:59:05 AM
Why is he talking about that, beyond a quick joke? Nonstop political brain is nauseating. The need for every celebrity to cope/sympathize/be angry/etc alongside you is just...stupid. It's not 2005, man. You're not a political exile surrounded by crazy people who outnumber you. It's pretty clear most people have agreed with some generic liberal views since Obama. Sitting around constantly being politically charged and crying online is sucker shit. Go outside. Go get laid. Watch a movie.
He's always been like that, doing a quick deep dive into the joke.
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2023, 04:26:26 PM
Trump proposes 10 new cities, flying cars, a new baby boom and a beautification of America :trumps
Post by: Nintex on March 03, 2023, 07:25:21 PM
https://twitter.com/AlanFisher/status/1631719994173079552 (https://twitter.com/AlanFisher/status/1631719994173079552)
:idont
Post by: Himu on March 03, 2023, 07:33:36 PM
Why is he talking about that, beyond a quick joke? Nonstop political brain is nauseating. The need for every celebrity to cope/sympathize/be angry/etc alongside you is just...stupid. It's not 2005, man. You're not a political exile surrounded by crazy people who outnumber you. It's pretty clear most people have agreed with some generic liberal views since Obama. Sitting around constantly being politically charged and crying online is sucker shit. Go outside. Go get laid. Watch a movie.
lmao Old man PD is best PD.
Post by: team filler on March 03, 2023, 10:42:58 PM
https://twitter.com/metzgov/status/1631726711728480264 (https://twitter.com/metzgov/status/1631726711728480264)going to be fun seeing all of them groveling again when he gets the nomination. republican party is cucked and sissified (https://i.imgur.com/5fVkDYp.png)
https://twitter.com/AlanFisher/status/1631719994173079552 (https://twitter.com/AlanFisher/status/1631719994173079552)
:idont
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 04, 2023, 02:25:56 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/621rUh6.png)
Post by: team filler on March 04, 2023, 04:19:02 AM
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2023, 05:19:46 AM
"I'm NOT Sorry I called you a cheating drug addicted warmongering prostitute of the Neocons Nikki, let's stop with these silly games and Make America Great Again"https://twitter.com/metzgov/status/1631726711728480264 (https://twitter.com/metzgov/status/1631726711728480264)going to be fun seeing all of them groveling again when he gets the nomination. republican party is cucked and sissified (https://i.imgur.com/5fVkDYp.png)
https://twitter.com/AlanFisher/status/1631719994173079552 (https://twitter.com/AlanFisher/status/1631719994173079552)
:idont
"It was terrible they leaked your nudes but me and some shady Hungarian government official had nothing to do with it"
:trumps
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2023, 03:22:06 PM
Trump speaks in 2 hours apparently.
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2023, 05:53:51 PM
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1631638435516633090Not surprised she has no idea how the law works. But get dat cash from stupid #Resistance people who worship the state. :money
(https://i.imgur.com/621rUh6.png)
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2023, 05:56:00 PM
the Primary is over
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2023, 02:55:49 AM
:american
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https://twitter.com/clauer/status/1631409876789350401
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Post by: Nintex on March 05, 2023, 06:50:32 AM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1632189439219847172 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1632189439219847172)
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1632172031004344320 (https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1632172031004344320)
Post by: Potato on March 05, 2023, 04:36:34 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2023, 05:37:25 PM
Post by: tiesto on March 05, 2023, 07:19:59 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqZtm1hXgAIdvFI?format=jpg)
Trump speaks in 2 hours apparently.
That was at the same hotel MAGfest was at - the panel on Touhou games managed to pack out the room, too bad no Repubs seemed to be able to do that. Sad!
Post by: HaughtyFrank on March 05, 2023, 11:06:44 PM
Oops?
Post by: team filler on March 05, 2023, 11:48:36 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2023, 11:53:28 PM
she should run for senate now :shaqI agree, we should do everything we can to encourage her to challenge Gillibrand next year.
Post by: team filler on March 06, 2023, 12:22:24 AM
just play the video of her dancing and them tetas bouncing around on her campaign commercials and she gets me vote :salute
Post by: BIONIC on March 06, 2023, 03:58:08 AM
Post by: BIONIC on March 06, 2023, 06:06:41 PM
Corey in the House :rodney
Post by: Nintex on March 06, 2023, 06:16:20 PM
We're one bicycle accident away from nuclear armageddon.
Post by: Nintex on March 06, 2023, 06:52:07 PM
https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1632891516841779201 (https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1632891516841779201)
Post by: benjipwns on March 06, 2023, 07:01:04 PM
:camby
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Why is he in his car? :doge
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Post by: team filler on March 06, 2023, 07:03:20 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 07, 2023, 02:37:38 AM
:american
Post by: Nintex on March 07, 2023, 01:46:32 PM
and the " c a m p a i g n " hasn't even started :pimp
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2023, 11:35:29 PM
Imagine being a reporter and saying this in public. (Yes, of course he doubles down in the replies and even gets to "fire in a crowded theater.")
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2023, 12:05:48 AM
rip America (1789-2023) confirmed
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 08, 2023, 12:32:09 AM
Post by: james on March 08, 2023, 10:38:17 AM
Post by: Himu on March 08, 2023, 11:48:20 AM
https://twitter.com/fowerli/status/1632919048768876545
:american
:dead
Post by: team filler on March 08, 2023, 02:38:43 PM
If Hillary was president, the Tucker "problem" would have been "solved" years agotio bernie would have put tucker in guantanamo and taxed his rich family extra to keep him there! :bernie
Post by: team filler on March 08, 2023, 02:39:34 PM
https://twitter.com/fowerli/status/1632919048768876545caging indigenous americans is good when biden does it!
:american
Post by: Himu on March 08, 2023, 04:52:46 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on March 08, 2023, 04:56:53 PM
Post by: Polident Hive on March 08, 2023, 05:23:32 PM
If I ever get demoralized by how weak the young and future democrats are looking, at least it’s as bad in both aisles. It’s too soon to unleash the clone of Bob Dole to sweep the country.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on March 08, 2023, 05:31:00 PM
it's how the gop operates for getting things done. keep your head down and be a total asshole to get legislature through and get paid and pay people off.
that's what makes him dangerous, the same way mcconnell keeps being a terror in the senate.
Post by: Himu on March 08, 2023, 05:37:22 PM
Honestly didn’t know much about desantis. That John Oliver show did its hit piece on him and boy they had nothing to work with. He’s a boring guy from both ends.
If I ever get demoralized by how weak the young and future democrats are looking, at least it’s as bad in both aisles. It’s too soon to unleash the clone of Bob Dole to sweep the country.
I wouldn't say he's boring at all. He's in the headlines continuously and is so good he helped flip Miami Dade red. DeSantis has more support for him going forward beyond this election than any young or future Democrat I can think of. Democrats' best shot, Polis, is a gay man. That won't work with black southern Democrats. Meanwhile GOP has DeSantis, Haley, Tim Scott;etc. DeSantis' main problem is Trump not acquiescing leadership not that he's boring. Americans relying on good speakers and equating that with good leadership is precisely the problem and how we got Obama and Trump. Sometimes "boring" is better.
that's what makes him dangerous
:point
"He's boring!"
"That's why he's dangerous!"
:point
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on March 08, 2023, 05:40:50 PM
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be a total asshole to get legislature through and get paid and pay people off.
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he same way mcconnell keeps being a terror in the senate.
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You of all people who , accordingly to you, got brainwashed by the same tactics, should understand the way these things work.
Post by: Himu on March 08, 2023, 05:43:45 PM
Please elaborate.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on March 08, 2023, 05:45:40 PM
Were the fuck did I even mention democrats?
I was literally talking about how desantis is being positioned.
Go ahead though, keep making shit up in your head.
Post by: Himu on March 08, 2023, 05:49:46 PM
desantis is a boring guy by design.
Yes democrats get paid off.
Were the fuck did I even mention democrats
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it's how the gop operates for getting things done.
By bringing up the GOP you're naturally bringing up the Democratic Party to contrast it with, don't you?
Please articulate yourself better.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on March 08, 2023, 05:57:13 PM
You have this black and white idea of everything
Post by: Himu on March 08, 2023, 05:59:51 PM
That said, an inability to articulate ones ideas shows they have faulty roots. That's fine. Have a good day!
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2023, 06:04:48 PM
The fact that Jeb! and Paul Ryan are backing him tells you all you need to know. He also seems very dangerous foreign policy wise. Trump always regards foreign policy as some sort of business deal. He can play the nice host for the Chinese or even North Koreans as he has done that as a hotel owner most of his life. His strategy of 'just get those leaders into a room to talk' seems simple but throughout history this has proven to be very effective to avoid conflict and pursue common goals and interests. DeSantis would likely start petty conflicts with the Iranians, Chinese and Russians as he does with Disney and other domestic enemies.
COVID didn't kill them all so this is probably the last 'old people' election of Trump vs. Biden and it doesn't seem likely either of them will serve out their full term if elected.
Voters will have to ask themselves that if Russia and China won't back down who they trust with nuclear bombs, Kamala Harris or Kari Lake
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on March 08, 2023, 06:07:38 PM
No need to be combative.
That said, an inability to articulate ones ideas shows they have faulty roots. That's fine. Have a good day!
How am I being combative?
You made some assumptions and it's now my fault?
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 08, 2023, 07:21:20 PM
caging indigenous americans is good when biden does it!
I love a democrat in the white house!
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1633548066753249280
Post by: Himu on March 08, 2023, 08:15:45 PM
caging indigenous americans is good when biden does it!
I love a democrat in the white house!
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1633548066753249280
https://twitter.com/TargetedFreedom/status/1633549308774457346
:heh
Post by: team filler on March 08, 2023, 08:19:59 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2023, 08:48:26 PM
It’s too soon to unleash the clone of Bob Dole to sweep the country.Norm didn't die, he's in deep cover preparations.
Post by: james on March 08, 2023, 10:04:49 PM
Post by: BIONIC on March 08, 2023, 10:48:22 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2023, 11:20:57 PM
Quote from: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/03/08/whoopi_goldberg_tucker_carlsons_january_6_reports_should_be_illegal_how_is_this_not_recruiting_and_radicalizing_domestic_terrorists.html
WHOOPI GOLDBERG: I have a question. How come this is not thought of as being recruiting? How come they are not thinking about this as radicalizing?
SUNNY HOSTIN: Like recruiting domestic terrorists?
WHOOPI GOLDBERG: Why is this not being scrutinized the way that they scrutinize other things?
Because to me, this is, this should be against the law. You should not be able to lie to the American people knowingly. And, you know, it’s one thing if you made a mistake and you didn’t know. But we've heard for five or six years now, you know, the media was a lying sack of doo. They were fake news. They were this.
So how come? What is our, what do we do as Americans to say this is not okay?
"THE VIEW" CO-HOST: It's the First Amendment.
WHOOPI GOLDBERG: The First Amendment doesn’t allow you to willingly lie.
ALYSSA FARAH: I think Tucker Carlson is more destructive to American political discourse than Donald Trump, and more powerful... This is a man who goes on the airwaves and says, "What would be so bad if Russia won against Ukraine?" He says insane things, he pits Americans against each other, knowingly lying to them. Even if it is not Trump, whoever the next Republican politician is, they're going to have to win the Tucker Carlson Primary.
SUNNY HOSTIN: He's just an entertainer though, the judge found that.
But Whoopi, you said something I don't think I've ever heard on television about domestic terrorism. Because you had the FBI director, Chris Wray, say the number one threat to our country, to the survival of our democracy, is domestic terrorists. How do you recruit domestic terrorists? How do you do that? Misinformation. Having these kinds of rallies, saying these things on Substack. And someone with Tucker Carlson, you would know better than I do, how many millions and millions of viewers? We get three million on this show. That's a lot. He gets more than that.
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WHOOPI GOLDBERG: But now, it is not just one voice in the wind. These are emails, this is the head of Fox saying this is what happened, this is what went down. So you knew you were going out there every night and lying. So, to me, that should be an issue.:american :american :american :american
SUNNY HOSTIN: Illegal!
JOY BEHAR: "Knowing" is the key word.
WHOOPI GOLDBERG: Knowingly, that's the whole point. As I was saying earlier, you can make a mistake and say something, and it happens, but then people say it wasn't right. But you knew, you knew, you knew.
You knew and you know people are still listening to you and you’re still lying. And I hope that the DOJ looks through a whole bunch of stuff and figures out what to do about this.
SUNNY HOSTIN: I hope [Attorney General] Merrick Garland is listening.
Post by: team filler on March 08, 2023, 11:40:56 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2023, 11:45:55 PM
do they feel the same for the hosts on cnn and msnbc, or they think those ones are always telling the truth? :muellerNo, she said they're just wrong and don't know it so it's okay.
Post by: Himu on March 09, 2023, 01:56:53 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/desantis-memoir-outsells-books-from-clinton-trump-obama-in-fist-week-2023-3
:)
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on March 09, 2023, 02:46:58 PM
Post by: Himu on March 09, 2023, 03:16:43 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2023, 03:35:28 PM
Post by: Himu on March 09, 2023, 04:33:06 PM
Some poor DeSantis staffer has got 94,000 copies in his garage.
Good. I might able to score a free signed copy and I can pawn it off for a thousand bucks in ten years. See? E-books can't beat that!
Post by: Nintex on March 09, 2023, 05:30:54 PM
Post by: Potato on March 09, 2023, 06:54:17 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 09, 2023, 07:35:35 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2023, 09:23:11 PM
twitter.com/JudiciaryGOP/status/1633885428951707648Why is Matt Taibbi testifying to anything in Congress?
Also, actual destruction would have been rejecting the premise, define "foreign interference" and make sure you do it in a way in which your "stop" doesn't lead to infringement solely against Americans and their rights.
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on March 10, 2023, 08:49:22 AM
Any time I see the word "destroyed" in a political context, I immediately know the person who wrote it is a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow and should probably be the first to go up against the wall.
News anchors destroyed by potatoe
Post by: Nintex on March 10, 2023, 07:11:59 PM
Maybe Ron has more legs than I think.Ron DeSantis sells dead trees and posts butt plug porn on Twitter, Trump drops a dystopian #1 banger on iTunes, they are not the same.
https://www.businessinsider.com/desantis-memoir-outsells-books-from-clinton-trump-obama-in-fist-week-2023-3
:)
https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1634319259571564545 (https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1634319259571564545)
https://twitter.com/alexbruesewitz/status/1634261628806897679 (https://twitter.com/alexbruesewitz/status/1634261628806897679)
Post by: Nintex on March 12, 2023, 02:25:07 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrBpHlMXwAAXUTD?format=jpg)
Brace for impact
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 12, 2023, 02:35:01 PM
(https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/Teydyrqtbh.jpg?format=webp)
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Cowards removed it.
https://twitter.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/1634921384374853632?cxt=HHwWgIDT9ceVtLAtAAAA
https://twitter.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/1634921384374853632?cxt=HHwWgIDT9ceVtLAtAAAA
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Post by: jorma on March 12, 2023, 03:04:03 PM
Wow, I think Trump is done now with this.
(https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/Teydyrqtbh.jpg?format=webp)spoiler (click to show/hide)Cowards removed it.
https://twitter.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/1634921384374853632?cxt=HHwWgIDT9ceVtLAtAAAA[close]
absolute melons probably thought that people would go "oh he is so bad not even Epstein liked him" but soon realised that this wasn't gonna help anyone but Trump :lol
Post by: Potato on March 12, 2023, 03:11:52 PM
This is what happens when you've burrowed so deep in your own arse in pursuit of the smell of your farts that you've come out the other side...Wow, I think Trump is done now with this.
(https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/Teydyrqtbh.jpg?format=webp)spoiler (click to show/hide)Cowards removed it.
https://twitter.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/1634921384374853632?cxt=HHwWgIDT9ceVtLAtAAAA[close]
absolute melons probably thought that people would go "oh he is so bad not even Epstein liked him" but soon realised that this wasn't gonna help anyone but Trump :lol
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2023, 03:48:44 PM
:biden
Post by: Nintex on March 12, 2023, 06:27:15 PM
https://twitter.com/NickTimiraos/status/1635044036041121792 (https://twitter.com/NickTimiraos/status/1635044036041121792)
https://twitter.com/WatcherGuru/status/1635057841051701251 (https://twitter.com/WatcherGuru/status/1635057841051701251)
Invest in crypto bro, it's decentralized
https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/1635066154937974785 (https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/1635066154937974785)
Post by: benjipwns on March 13, 2023, 12:13:18 PM
This isn't that hard guys. :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry
Post by: benjipwns on March 13, 2023, 02:01:18 PM
:wut
Post by: benjipwns on March 13, 2023, 08:08:27 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 13, 2023, 08:25:58 PM
:usacry :usacry IMPEACH :usacry :usacry
:biden
Post by: Nintex on March 14, 2023, 02:55:50 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1635639230767439874 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1635639230767439874)
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1635679755541393412 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1635679755541393412)
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 14, 2023, 07:36:59 PM
https://twitter.com/matthewkassel/status/1635648581007712256
:lol
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 14, 2023, 07:41:09 PM
Post by: Himu on March 14, 2023, 09:44:02 PM
DeSantis for president!
https://twitter.com/politicalmath/status/1634296817310486529
https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1633996366765600768
:sabu :neogaf
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 02:19:05 AM
Wasn't sure where to put this.
Please, get your shit together USA.
Post by: team filler on March 16, 2023, 02:36:10 AM
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 03:01:00 AM
could you pour gasoline under the wall and light them on fire? or piss :doge
Only if you're like reeeeeeeeaaaaaaaallly hungover.
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2023, 02:05:57 PM
https://twitter.com/JakeLahut/status/1636337000323207175 (https://twitter.com/JakeLahut/status/1636337000323207175)
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Despite having a job that entails exchanging small talk and pleasantries on a daily basis, the Florida governor tends to brush off those obligations and struggles with basic social skills, according to a source close to DeSantis, several of his former staffers, and other GOP operatives who have worked with him and his team.
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During his Iowa swing, DeSantis’ apparent use of bike racks to create space between himself and a crowd didn’t go unnoticed elsewhere.
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Months into his own campaign, meanwhile, Trump has started to dabble in retail politics—mostly in the form of unannounced visits to local eateries likely to have a friendly crowd scouted in advance by the campaign, according to the Washington Post—in an effort to paint DeSantis as stiff and cold.
If DeSantis continues on his current course, Trump’s job may not prove very difficult.
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“He would sit in meetings and eat in front of people,” a former DeSantis staffer told The Daily Beast, “always like a starving animal who has never eaten before… getting shit everywhere.”
DeSpectrum
Post by: james on March 16, 2023, 02:23:46 PM
DeSpectrum
Trump is the one man on the planet that could pull this off
The right will cheer while the left rushes in to defend DeSantis
:whew
:lawd
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 02:25:11 PM
twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1635826124809986048?People invent stuff everywhere, dude, calm down.
Wasn't sure where to put this.
Please, get your shit together USA.
Post by: team filler on March 16, 2023, 02:36:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSbwylmEHIYcould you pour gasoline under the wall and light them on fire? or piss :doge
Only if you're like reeeeeeeeaaaaaaaallly hungover.
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 03:09:14 PM
Usually an invention follows a need for something. If you need bullet proof rooms for schools you're doing something wrong.twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1635826124809986048?People invent stuff everywhere, dude, calm down.
Wasn't sure where to put this.
Please, get your shit together USA.
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 03:14:11 PM
Nobody needs a pop-up room of any kind.
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 03:24:16 PM
"Is there a need for bullet proof rooms in US schools?"
"Why, yes potato, there is a need (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000%E2%80%93present)) for bullet proof rooms in US schools."
"Did someone see a niche and invent a bullet proof room specifically for schools with a whiteboard and shit?"
"They certainly did, potato. They even made a cool promotional video for YouTube!"
"Oh, ok then, maybe the US needs to get its shit together?"
"Why, yes, potato, the US certainly does have to get its shit together to stop kids turning mass murderer in their own schools."
"Oh, boy, I hope that doesn't impinge upon some of their god-given rights to walk the streets armed to the teeth."
:letsfukk
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 03:26:13 PM
Turning the country into a further police state would definitely not be getting shit together.
Post by: james on March 16, 2023, 03:29:37 PM
That way if a bad man is coming everyone can see them from a distance, and they cant hide form police
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 03:41:27 PM
Schools shouldnt have walls.I like where you're going with this but maybe we should just get rid of schools. :rollsafe
That way if a bad man is coming everyone can see them from a distance, and they cant hide form police
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 03:45:47 PM
An AR in .223 is probably the best option since .308 probably has too much recoil for most women.
Although, if you let me choose, I'd probably go with a Heckler & Koch MP5/SP5. 9mm is much easier to control and the shorter length would be better for tight corridors and small classrooms. German engineering...can't beat it
Should the teachers get this lesson as part of their training or should it be offered as a post graduate diploma?
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 03:47:42 PM
I guess you should just arm the teachers then...Nah, I'm sure the locks on their doors work incase an extremely low probability event occurs.
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 03:48:54 PM
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Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 03:53:06 PM
Cool. School shootings are low probability events. Nothing to worry about then.I guess you should just arm the teachers then...Nah, I'm sure the locks on their doors work incase an extremely low probability event occurs.
:nothing :science
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 03:56:09 PM
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 03:57:59 PM
Cool
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 04:04:05 PM
Defending school shootings on thebore.comYeah, definitely need to get your shit together. :rofl
Cool
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on March 16, 2023, 04:09:03 PM
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or bodies
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Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 04:09:54 PM
You keep fighting the good fight of defending the rights of kids and adults to enter a school and shoot the people inside. That's what's important.
It's the rest of us watching from afar in utter horror that need to get our shit together.
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 04:14:36 PM
All good chief.And you're trying to claim you're not the one losing your shit? :umad
You keep fighting the good fight of defending the rights of kids and adults to enter a school and shoot the people inside. That's what's important.
It's the rest of us watching from afar in utter horror that need to get our shit together.
benji: Lock yo doors, hide yo kids.
some dude: Blow the yearly budget on my stupid pop-up rooms.
Potato: Eliminate democracy and establish a police state or else you support, defend and want mass murder of every school age child!
Such hard choices. :hmm
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2023, 04:25:04 PM
Nintex, I noticed you missed a couple irrelevant polls buddy:oh shit, you're right
(https://i.imgur.com/Q6g3qqv.png)
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1636419745120501768 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1636419745120501768)
Net 27 point SWING for Trump 8)
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 04:31:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/1F01i1V.png)
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Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 04:32:04 PM
Da fuq you talking about?All good chief.And you're trying to claim you're not the one losing your shit? :umad
You keep fighting the good fight of defending the rights of kids and adults to enter a school and shoot the people inside. That's what's important.
It's the rest of us watching from afar in utter horror that need to get our shit together.
benji: Lock yo doors, hide yo kids.
some dude: Blow the yearly budget on my stupid pop-up rooms.
Potato: Eliminate democracy and establish a police state or else you support, defend and want mass murder of every school age child!
Such hard choices. :hmm
Seriously, the US has a problem with school shooters. So much so someone invented a whiteboard that converts into a bullet proof room.
I pointed this out for a bit of a laugh at the expense of Americans and you're now raving like a lunatic about some bullshit police state.
Dude, go outside.
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2023, 04:35:14 PM
Not only will it stop the shootings fast, it'll also solve the problem of children not doing heir homework and scare off Ron DeSpectrum browsing the gay porno's in the library :trumps
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 04:35:46 PM
Da fuq you talking about?Yeah, the guy who said I was "defending school shootings" and "defending the rights of kids and adults to enter a school and shoot the people inside" because I wasn't getting hysterical like he was is the guy not raving like a lunatic. :lol
Seriously, the US has a problem with school shooters. So much so someone invented a whiteboard that converts into a bullet proof room.
I pointed this out for a bit of a laugh at the expense of Americans and you're now raving like a lunatic about some bullshit police state.
Dude, go outside.
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 04:39:48 PM
Oh please, tell me all about how school shootings are low probability events again and are nothing to worry about.Da fuq you talking about?Yeah, the guy who said I was "defending school shootings" and "defending the rights of kids and adults to enter a school and shoot the people inside" because I wasn't getting hysterical like he was is the guy not raving like a lunatic. :lol
Seriously, the US has a problem with school shooters. So much so someone invented a whiteboard that converts into a bullet proof room.
I pointed this out for a bit of a laugh at the expense of Americans and you're now raving like a lunatic about some bullshit police state.
Dude, go outside.
That's a sane viewpoint.
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 04:47:23 PM
Oh please, tell me all about how school shootings are low probability events again and are nothing to worry about.Yeah, there you go being completely hysterical again. School shootings are in fact extremely low probability events.
That's a sane viewpoint.
I never said you should not worry about them, but you should be rational not hysterical when considering solutions. In the real world we can either instruct teachers to lock their doors and ideally hide the kids during the unlikely event of a school shooting or we can buy a probably useless stupid pop-up room or we can do an infinite number of even worse ideas that will generate an infinite number of greater problems. There's no magical "eliminate school shootings" option, sorry.
I note, of course, that you have not actually made any proposal to consider and instead have simply tried to contend that I oppose the magical option. (I do, only cats can do magic and they like seeing humans suffer.)
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 05:02:38 PM
There's no magical "eliminate school shootings" option, sorry.Except, you know, in all those places where they don't happen.
:science
Anyway, you'll probably just keep baselessly accusing me of being hysterical again so please go ahead.
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 05:09:18 PM
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 05:12:00 PM
All good.
Yes or no. Does the US have a school shooting problem?
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 05:13:04 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2023, 05:19:34 PM
There's no magical "eliminate school shootings" option, sorry.
Strange how these things always happen a week before election day.
(https://i.gifer.com/origin/8d/8d19fb4252924893feb8f6c87ee0c2d9.gif)
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 05:20:14 PM
I said, "Get your shit together". Why is it up to me to solve problems in the US? That's what I'm saying. It's time for you lot to solve your own problems.
What's very clear is that you don't like anyone questioning your libertarian beliefs, which happens to be a behaviour you have in common with religious fundamentalists.
The minute anyone even so much as hints they might think some regulation might be in order you lose your shit and throw baseless accusations out all over the place.
Now, stop having a tantrum and answer my question.
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 05:33:04 PM
What are you talking about?My man, you're the one demanding something be done but you refuse to even suggest what you want done.
I said, "Get your shit together". Why is it up to me to solve problems in the US? That's what I'm saying. It's time for you lot to solve your own problems.
What's very clear is that you don't like anyone questioning your libertarian beliefs, which happens to be a behaviour you have in common with religious fundamentalists.
The minute anyone even so much as hints they might think some regulation might be in order you lose your shit and throw baseless accusations out all over the place.
Now, stop having a tantrum and answer my question.
This isn't anything to do with my "libertarian beliefs", if you have a proposal that would be better than democracy I'm willing to hear it but many have tried, all have failed.
I didn't lose my shit at all and leveled zero baseless accusations, that was you. All I did was disagree with you about "need" being the basis for invention. You almost immediately thereafter jumped to saying I was "defending school shootings" and the "defending the rights of kids and adults to enter a school and shoot the people inside" for some reason I still can't fathom. You're the one having a tantrum, you haven't even recognized that I answered your question already before you asked it twice more.
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 05:38:40 PM
Demanding?What are you talking about?My man, you're the one demanding something be done but you refuse to even suggest what you want done.
I said, "Get your shit together". Why is it up to me to solve problems in the US? That's what I'm saying. It's time for you lot to solve your own problems.
What's very clear is that you don't like anyone questioning your libertarian beliefs, which happens to be a behaviour you have in common with religious fundamentalists.
The minute anyone even so much as hints they might think some regulation might be in order you lose your shit and throw baseless accusations out all over the place.
Now, stop having a tantrum and answer my question.
This isn't anything to do with my "libertarian beliefs", if you have a proposal that would be better than democracy I'm willing to hear it but many have tried, all have failed.
I didn't lose my shit at all and leveled zero baseless accusations, that was you. All I did was disagree with you about "need" being the basis for invention. You almost immediately thereafter jumped to saying I was "defending school shootings" and the "defending the rights of kids and adults to enter a school and shoot the people inside" for some reason I still can't fathom. You're the one having a tantrum, you haven't even recognized that I answered your question already before you asked it twice more.
:snoop
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 05:51:26 PM
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 06:00:50 PM
- 2000s - 78 incidents
- 2010s - 251 incidents
- 2020s - 117 incidents
Anyway, I'll take it you don't think there's a problem with school shootings in the US.
Good chat.
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 06:08:12 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2023, 06:10:48 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 06:24:56 PM
ChadGPT what are the potato and cat fighting aboutI have a desperate need for all children to be murdered. If even one makes it to their teenage years, I consider it a failure. They absolutely must be protected from james and there's only one way.
Post by: Uncle on March 16, 2023, 06:35:26 PM
Number of school shootings in the US:Sounds like there might be a need.
- 2000s - 78 incidents
- 2010s - 251 incidents
- 2020s - 117 incidents
Anyway, I'll take it you don't think there's a problem with school shootings in the US.
Good chat.
where is this data from? if I remember some of the most-cited info on this counted "incidents" as "senior who hunts with his dad after school was discovered to have a rifle in the back of his pickup truck" or "sound of gunshots reported on college campus, may have come from adjacent low income area"
actual elementary school shootings that this would defend against always make national news, and they are rare
I don't say this to defend the US's relationship with its guns, but because accurate data is important
0 incidents would be great
this doesn't contradict the idea that the kind of shooting this might help defend against would be a rare event
EDIT: read the descriptions of these incidents, (https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2023/01) technically school-related/affiliated shootings but a majority of them seem to be angry sports fans after basketball games? not the kind of thing where people strap up and invade classes in progress
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 06:47:18 PM
Here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000%E2%80%93present) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000%E2%80%93present))Number of school shootings in the US:Sounds like there might be a need.
- 2000s - 78 incidents
- 2010s - 251 incidents
- 2020s - 117 incidents
Anyway, I'll take it you don't think there's a problem with school shootings in the US.
Good chat.
where is this data from? if I remember some of the most-cited info on this counted "incidents" as "senior who hunts with his dad after school was discovered to have a rifle in the back of his pickup truck" or "sound of gunshots reported on college campus, may have come from adjacent low income area"
actual elementary school shootings that this would defend against always make national news, and they are rare
I don't say this to defend the US's relationship with its guns, but because accurate data is important
0 incidents would be great
this doesn't contradict the idea that the kind of shooting this might help defend against would be a rare event
EDIT: read the descriptions of these incidents, (https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2023/01) technically school-related/affiliated shootings but a majority of them seem to be angry sports fans after basketball games? not the kind of thing where people strap up and invade classes in progress
They include university shootings.
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 06:55:53 PM
Try reading people's posts for a change instead of immediately leaping to hysteria and baseless accusations sometime and it might help with your running into assholes all day long problem.
:neogaf
:mindblownChadGPT what are the potato and cat fighting aboutI have a desperate need for all children to be murdered. If even one makes it to their teenage years, I consider it a failure. They absolutely must be protected from james and there's only one way.
You really are a fundamentalist...emphasis on the mental part.
The only hissy fit in this thread is from the guy who took offence at an imaginary slight against his fundamentalist
The US has a problem with school shootings. That is a fact. If you don't agree, please present some evidence that there isn't a problem and I'll discuss it with you. Until then, you are just making shit up and deflecting from discussing anything because you have no argument.
So then you agree there's no need for fold-out bulletproof rooms. Good chat.
The invention of a whiteboard that converts into a bullet proof shelter is entirely a demand-driven innovation. If you disagree with that then there is nothing else to discuss. You're a fundamentalist and will not be swayed from your position.
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2023, 07:02:29 PM
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A 6-year-old male student at Richneck Elementary School shot teacher Abby Zwerner, wounding her.
Quote
A maintenance worker at Stanford Elementary School accidentally shot himself while working at around 11 p.m.
:usacry :american
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 07:17:46 PM
Dude, all I did was dispute that there was a need for this dumb thing, same as Cauliflower and james, and you immediately jumped to accusing me of wanting mass murder. Now you're trying to claim I'm a fundamentalist because I don't think this dumb thing is needed for anyone other than the guy selling it? And you're still trying to baselessly accuse me of things I've already said the opposite of.:mindblownChadGPT what are the potato and cat fighting aboutI have a desperate need for all children to be murdered. If even one makes it to their teenage years, I consider it a failure. They absolutely must be protected from james and there's only one way.
You really are a fundamentalist...emphasis on the mental part.
The only hissy fit in this thread is from the guy who took offence at an imaginary slight against his fundamentalistreligionpolitics.
The US has a problem with school shootings. That is a fact. If you don't agree, please present some evidence that there isn't a problem and I'll discuss it with you. Until then, you are just making shit up and deflecting from discussing anything because you have no argument.So then you agree there's no need for fold-out bulletproof rooms. Good chat.
The invention of a whiteboard that converts into a bullet proof shelter is entirely a demand-driven innovation. If you disagree with that then there is nothing else to discuss. You're a fundamentalist and will not be swayed from your position.
You obviously think little of my brain power because you haven't even attempted to try and change my mind about either this stupid thing or the basis of invention other than screaming your head off about my child murder fetish.
Are you seriously suggesting you think these stupid things should be installed everywhere?
Post by: Nintex on March 16, 2023, 07:29:08 PM
Post by: Potato on March 16, 2023, 07:52:49 PM
STOP. MAKING. SHIT. UP.Dude, all I did was dispute that there was a need for this dumb thing, same as Cauliflower and james, and you immediately jumped to accusing me of wanting mass murder. Now you're trying to claim I'm a fundamentalist because I don't think this dumb thing is needed for anyone other than the guy selling it? And you're still trying to baselessly accuse me of things I've already said the opposite of.:mindblownChadGPT what are the potato and cat fighting aboutI have a desperate need for all children to be murdered. If even one makes it to their teenage years, I consider it a failure. They absolutely must be protected from james and there's only one way.
You really are a fundamentalist...emphasis on the mental part.
The only hissy fit in this thread is from the guy who took offence at an imaginary slight against his fundamentalistreligionpolitics.
The US has a problem with school shootings. That is a fact. If you don't agree, please present some evidence that there isn't a problem and I'll discuss it with you. Until then, you are just making shit up and deflecting from discussing anything because you have no argument.So then you agree there's no need for fold-out bulletproof rooms. Good chat.
The invention of a whiteboard that converts into a bullet proof shelter is entirely a demand-driven innovation. If you disagree with that then there is nothing else to discuss. You're a fundamentalist and will not be swayed from your position.
You obviously think little of my brain power because you haven't even attempted to try and change my mind about either this stupid thing or the basis of invention other than screaming your head off about my child murder fetish.
Are you seriously suggesting you think these stupid things should be installed everywhere?
You came in the thread and told me to calm down (after a mild joke post) and that people invent stuff everywhere.
I said that this invention is kind of a US-centric thing because it's where school shootings happen (meaning there is demand).
Then you said nobody needs a bullet-proof room in a US school, which I said was debateable (this was sarcasm, just in case you didn't notice).
James made a typically absurdist joke about schools needing no walls at all.
You said teachers could just lock their doors in case of the low probability event of a school shooter.
Cauliflower made a joke about the rooms being blocked by random shit...or bodies...within a week.
Then who the fuck knows what happened because you became convinced I was calling for these stupid things to be installed in every classroom, or the need to eliminate democracy or establishing a police state or something inane like that. You also said something about my proposal needing to be better than democracy...
:confused
At no point in this discussion did anyone suggest that these things should be installed anywhere.
If you read my posts (ironic given you're partial to suggesting others don't read yours) instead of having a hissy fit, you would see that the suggestion that the US "get your shit together" did not refer in any way to a need or demand to installing bullet proof shelters in schools.
It was reference to the fact that there are so many school shootings in the US that someone bothered to invent such a thing in the first place.
School shootings are not normal. Building whiteboards that double as bullet proof shelters is not normal. Governments should look for solutions to this problem. Building bullet proof shelters in schools is not a solution.
Is that so hard to comprehend?
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2023, 08:13:30 PM
STOP. MAKING. SHIT. UP.Are you expecting people to not be able to go back a page or for me to quote the posts? Let me again try and see if you can maybe follow a few short sentences:
You came in the thread and told me to calm down (after a mild joke post) and that people invent stuff everywhere.
I said that this invention is kind of a US-centric thing because it's where school shootings happen (meaning there is demand).
Then you said nobody needs a bullet-proof room in a US school, which I said was debateable (this was sarcasm, just in case you didn't notice).
People invent stuff everywhere, dude, calm down.
Usually an invention follows a need for something. If you need bullet proof rooms for schools you're doing something wrong.
I absolutely disagree with your theory of inventions unless you expand "need" to be a meaningless distinction from other words like "want" or "I was drunk and had an idea" or "somebody else had an idea and I stole it" like the great inventors of the past.
Nobody needs a pop-up room of any kind.
It was only at this point that you claimed there was a need for bullet proof rooms:
Well, let's just narrow it down to this invention in particular, ok?
"Is there a need for bullet proof rooms in US schools?"
"Why, yes potato, there is a need (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000%E2%80%93present)) for bullet proof rooms in US schools."
Something that you have yet to establish or even attempt to argue for and in this very post disavowed and dismissed multiple times:
Then who the fuck knows what happened because you became convinced I was calling for these stupid things to be installed in every classroom
...
At no point in this discussion did anyone suggest that these things should be installed anywhere.
If you read my posts (ironic given you're partial to suggesting others don't read yours) instead of having a hissy fit, you would see that the suggestion that the US "get your shit together" did not refer in any way to a need or demand to installing bullet proof shelters in schools.
...
Building bullet proof shelters in schools is not a solution.
Then when I disputed arming teachers you proceeded to accuse me of "defending school shootings" and "defending the rights of kids and adults to enter a school and shoot the people inside" as if these were obvious conclusions:
Cool. School shootings are low probability events. Nothing to worry about then.I guess you should just arm the teachers then...Nah, I'm sure the locks on their doors work incase an extremely low probability event occurs.
:nothing :science
Yeah, they are. Maybe you should get your shit together. :lol
Defending school shootings on thebore.com
Cool
All good chief.Feel free to continue arguing with yourself, a child murder enthusiast, about the need for these if you want.
You keep fighting the good fight of defending the rights of kids and adults to enter a school and shoot the people inside. That's what's important.
It's the rest of us watching from afar in utter horror that need to get our shit together.
Post by: team filler on March 16, 2023, 08:45:52 PM
Post by: Rufus on March 17, 2023, 09:25:59 AM
other people see the need for this (nevermind that they're just looking to make a buck, most likely), therefore: there is a need
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2023, 09:36:10 AM
Post by: Propagandhim on March 17, 2023, 02:23:20 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 17, 2023, 03:07:28 PM
:trumps
Post by: james on March 17, 2023, 03:14:21 PM
This moment lives in my head
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1042927529793912837
Post by: Nintex on March 17, 2023, 03:29:44 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 17, 2023, 05:38:57 PM
we are so back :mynicca
Post by: Potato on March 17, 2023, 06:19:23 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRRjeEt1HXxBug5nMDL4D9lTp8h4t_1Qlt5iw2QOHZcdUzDN_wdNBk1af8C&s=10)
Stop. Making. Shit. Up.
It's really my fault for breaking my cardinal bore rule of don't engage with the weaponised autism.
Post by: Nintex on March 17, 2023, 08:24:42 PM
Elder abuse
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1636830996002742272 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1636830996002742272)
:dead
https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1636539286072819718 (https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1636539286072819718)
:doge
Post by: team filler on March 18, 2023, 02:20:28 AM
Post by: Nintex on March 18, 2023, 06:47:54 AM
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2023, 10:52:20 AM
Haha, the living embodiment of this meme walks among us.People invent stuff everywhere, dude, calm down.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRRjeEt1HXxBug5nMDL4D9lTp8h4t_1Qlt5iw2QOHZcdUzDN_wdNBk1af8C&s=10)
Stop. Making. Shit. Up.
It's really my fault for breaking my cardinal bore rule of don't engage with the weaponised autism.
Post by: Maiden Voyage on March 18, 2023, 11:39:50 AM
Post by: Nintex on March 18, 2023, 12:45:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Frf-VcPWIAAzKbR?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Frf-VcNWIAEDoRT?format=jpg)
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2023, 01:01:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLEchPZm318
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1ab6uxg908
:bolo
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2023, 01:04:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/JmKHRe7.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/rgxbwMD.png)
:girlaff
Post by: Nintex on March 18, 2023, 01:09:14 PM
:dead
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrhDMW9agAEdYvk?format=jpg)
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 18, 2023, 04:39:10 PM
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CarelessNauticalArctichare-size_restricted.gif)
Thank you Robert Mueller and the rule of law!!!
Post by: zomgee on March 18, 2023, 05:59:26 PM
Post by: james on March 18, 2023, 06:23:24 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2023, 06:31:17 PM
Quote from: twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1637076244708614144
Biden’s DOJ is coordinating with the Democrat Manhattan DA to arrest Donald Trump, the top Republican Presidential candidate for 2024, and charge him with a fake outdated misdemeanor charge.
It’s ALL FOR POLITICS!
This is what they do in communists countries to destroy their political opponents!
Republicans in Congress MUST subpoena these communists and END this!
We have the power to do it and we also have the power to DEFUND their salaries and departments!
Enough of this!
The American people deserve a government that actually works for them NOT a bunch of self centered communists who bail out their donors, protect the elites, and weld their power to punish their political enemies!
Quote from: twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1637079474968641538
Of course as soon as our Oversight Committee comes out with REAL PROOF that the entire Biden family was getting paid by CHINA for influence and favors from Joe Biden, these communists thugs decide to arrest Trump.
IMPEACH JOE BIDEN!!!
And it’s not even political like Trump impeachments, it’s actually deserved.
Quote from: twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1637124539455815683
We don’t need to protest about the Communists Democrat’s planning to arrest Pres Trump and the political weaponization of our government and election interference.
These idiots are sealing their own fate in 2024 because the silent majority has two feelings right now about the current regime.
Fear and anger.
That is the most powerful combination when election time comes.
And the Democrats are driving that force with their own corrupt actions.
:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry
Post by: Nintex on March 18, 2023, 07:04:58 PM
Post by: BIONIC on March 18, 2023, 07:38:35 PM
Trump getting arrested is this centuries 911
Which year does year century start at?
Post by: Colonel Mustard on March 18, 2023, 07:56:28 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2023, 10:16:28 PM
I think the typo is funnier than Chris here.
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 18, 2023, 10:39:50 PM
:preach
Post by: team filler on March 19, 2023, 01:09:49 AM
Post by: Nintex on March 19, 2023, 07:18:14 AM
- The Q's think this is some kind of '4D chess' move that Trump pulled to bait antifa into violent protests or to get Hillary Clinton arrested
The best Q theory I've read is that they're going to arrest a 'clone' of Trump and not the real one. :lol
- The 'patriots' want to head for Florida with guns and ammo to defend the President
- Mainstream MAGA wants Ron DeSoros to speak out against this and/or drop out
- For many on Team DeSantis this is a 'rally around the flag' moment. They wonder why DeSilence isn't saying anything and say they'll go back to Trump if he doesn't fight this
- The 'independents' believe this is a political prosecution and Trump will win in a landslide if he's arrested or that this is a way to distract from Biden's dealings with the Chinese
I've also seen folks on the other side say they think Trump made up the arrest to ensure law enforcement is scared of the blowback if they arrest him.
Post by: BIONIC on March 19, 2023, 08:01:54 AM
Quote
DeSoros
:dead
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 19, 2023, 01:16:30 PM
Post by: james on March 19, 2023, 01:17:27 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 19, 2023, 02:41:41 PM
I thought Biden didn't know he was alive Don?
Post by: Polident Hive on March 19, 2023, 07:57:18 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 19, 2023, 08:03:32 PM
https://twitter.com/StormyDaniels/status/1637596963876085761 (https://twitter.com/StormyDaniels/status/1637596963876085761)
:dead
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 19, 2023, 08:34:19 PM
Post by: BIONIC on March 20, 2023, 08:19:26 AM
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 20, 2023, 09:16:26 AM
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 20, 2023, 10:30:22 AM
Post by: Propagandhim on March 20, 2023, 10:37:54 AM
Is this for real?
Quote
Proposals include giving qualifying residents $5 million, $97,000 a year for 250 years, or $1 homes.
:dead
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2023, 10:43:43 AM
The quoted subheadline is also accurate, none of the panels were supposed to do any kind of investigation about how to pay for any of it only establish plans for what should be given.
No, California was not a slave state.
Post by: Propagandhim on March 20, 2023, 10:52:25 AM
Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2023, 11:17:31 AM
Breaking
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2023, 11:46:58 AM
The $97,000 sounds so non-arbitrary and exact though! :lolI think it was estimated based on some figure about lost income had they been white cishet males in San Francisco or something.
I would note that the entire endeavor seems based on a serious undercounting of rich white cishet males in the entire state considering that only like 30% of California is non-Hispanic white currently.
Post by: BIONIC on March 20, 2023, 01:37:06 PM
https://twitter.com/dril/status/1637700700150059008
Fucking dril is deleting tweets now.
The woke mob have gone too far :social
Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2023, 02:14:13 PM
Quote
Once the sealed indictment is delivered to the judge, the DA’s office would discuss Trump’s surrender with his counsel, according to a court official who, like the others, was granted anonymity to discuss internal planning procedures. If Trump were to not surrender, a warrant would be issued for his arrest.
Whether Trump would be handcuffed is a decision that would be made by the district attorney, the court official said. He would be finger printed and a mug shot would be taken, though he is not expected to be “perp-walked” or paraded before the public in handcuffs, the official said.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1637826603978838016 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1637826603978838016)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrooK_3WAAEyL0m?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Frro4xHWAAEON5d?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrrQTxgagAEltmZ?format=jpg)
Doesn't sound like Donnie is in the mood to surrender. :lol
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2023, 02:23:04 PM
twitter.com/elonmusk/status/16371937676974080013% or so should be about right I would assume, why would billionaires pay income tax unless they, like Elon apparently does, collect it as salary? (Or, like Elon did last year, sell multi-billions worth of stock to buy an internet forum.)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrooK_3WAAEyL0m?format=jpg)Lots of interesting grammar and punctuation choices going on here.
Also, I'm a bit skeptical about Iran or North Korea doing much of any carving up. :lol
Post by: team filler on March 20, 2023, 02:36:53 PM
Yes, the entire state of California also has a panel weighing proposals for state-wide reparations. The suggestions have already ran into trouble because they suggested it only be available to those who can prove descendance from slaves, social justice groups were highly opposed to this racist discrimination. There's also been complaints that the proposals only apply to Black people instead of all oppressed groups like Indigenous and trans people.the trans goofballs really tried to add themselves into a reparations proposal? :pacspit
The quoted subheadline is also accurate, none of the panels were supposed to do any kind of investigation about how to pay for any of it only establish plans for what should be given.
No, California was not a slave state.
I'd include irish americans in it before those trans clowns :cac
even the chinese, but not some incel sissy sluts :lol
Post by: team filler on March 20, 2023, 02:45:21 PM
https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1637196732181168128twitter.com/elonmusk/status/16371937676974080013% or so should be about right I would assume, why would billionaires pay income tax unless they, like Elon apparently does, collect it as salary? (Or, like Elon did last year, sell multi-billions worth of stock to buy an internet forum.)
:hesright
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2023, 02:57:54 PM
the trans goofballs really tried to add themselves into a reparations proposal? :pacspitThere have been proposals that Blue States need to provide trans people in Red States with relocation funds and then a living wage.
San Francisco specifically is providing $1200 a month to certain trans people as part of a pilot program of guaranteed income:
Quote from: https://www.kqed.org/news/11934613/gift-is-san-franciscos-guaranteed-income-program-for-transgender-people-heres-how-to-apply
The GIFT program will offer 55 trans people in San Francisco a guaranteed income of $1,200 per month, for 18 months — starting in January 2023 and ending in June 2024.
The funds will be given to participants via a new debit Visa card, which the program will reload with a fresh $1,200 each month.
Aubrey Davis, executive associate with the Transgender District, points out that many trans people in San Francisco continue to struggle making ends meet, due to layoffs but also discrimination that can make it harder for them to find a job.
She says some trans folks are also dealing with homelessness and housing insecurity, after being pushed out by family.
“What this program is supposed to do is help the situation — make it possible for people to support themselves, for them to just have a little bit more ease with their finances,” Davis said. She added that by receiving direct financial assistance each month to cover some essential expenses, folks living in one of the most expensive cities in the country will be getting some sort of lifeline.
Quote from: https://sf.gov/news/san-francisco-launches-new-guaranteed-income-program-trans-community
As part of the City’s growing portfolio of guaranteed income programs, GIFT is one of several programs the City is developing, implementing, and evaluating to identify how to best support San Francisco residents and promote economic stability and recovery. This pilot program is the first guaranteed income initiative to focus solely on trans people, and will accept applications from November 15 through December 15, 2022.
The GIFT Program will provide 55 eligible trans individuals with temporary income and a range of wrap-around direct services such as gender affirming medical and mental health care, case management and specialty care services, as well as financial coaching.
“Our Guaranteed Income Programs allow us to help our residents when they need it most as part of our City’s economic recovery and our commitment to creating a more just city for all,” said Mayor London Breed. “We know that our trans communities experience much higher rates of poverty and discrimination, so this program will target support to lift individuals in this community up. We will keep building on programs like this to provide those in the greatest need with the financial resources and services to help them thrive.”
Quote from: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-18/san-francisco-launches-guaranteed-income-program-for-transgender-residents
The program began accepting applications Wednesday. The application period will close in December.
Recipients will be selected by organizations helping to administer and shape the program, including the Transgender District, a group whose goal is to help trans people find economic security.
“By giving low-income trans people the resources to cover the expenses they deem most immediate and important given each person’s unique situation, we are implementing a truly community-centered intervention to combat poverty,” said Aria Sa’id, president of the Transgender District.
Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2023, 03:17:22 PM
- Gas $59
- Food $30
- OnlyFans Subscriptions $69
- Candles $5
- Furry Suit $19
- Gender affirming medical and mental health care $1,346,040.07
Help I'm not making ends meet :gamergate
Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2023, 07:51:39 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 20, 2023, 08:24:39 PM
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1637948870494674946 (https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1637948870494674946)
:thinking
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2023, 08:29:55 PM
Post by: james on March 20, 2023, 09:01:58 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 20, 2023, 09:09:32 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 21, 2023, 05:43:26 AM
Post by: Himu on March 21, 2023, 06:36:13 AM
Post by: Himu on March 21, 2023, 06:41:02 AM
https://twitter.com/BusinessInsider/status/1636929481272164353
Is this for real?
QuoteProposals include giving qualifying residents $5 million, $97,000 a year for 250 years, or $1 homes.
:dead
*Puts hand out*
PAY ME!!!
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/20/law-enforcement-donald-trump-indictment-plan-00087836 (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/20/law-enforcement-donald-trump-indictment-plan-00087836)QuoteOnce the sealed indictment is delivered to the judge, the DA’s office would discuss Trump’s surrender with his counsel, according to a court official who, like the others, was granted anonymity to discuss internal planning procedures. If Trump were to not surrender, a warrant would be issued for his arrest.
Whether Trump would be handcuffed is a decision that would be made by the district attorney, the court official said. He would be finger printed and a mug shot would be taken, though he is not expected to be “perp-walked” or paraded before the public in handcuffs, the official said.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1637826603978838016 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1637826603978838016)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrooK_3WAAEyL0m?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Frro4xHWAAEON5d?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrrQTxgagAEltmZ?format=jpg)
Doesn't sound like Donnie is in the mood to surrender. :lol
Or possibly a man! :sabu :sabu :sabu Trump is hilarious.
Post by: Nintex on March 21, 2023, 08:59:33 AM
Will Trump be arrested today, kids?I think costello was supposed to testify against Trump not burn down Cohen
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 21, 2023, 10:35:25 AM
The likes of yer Jennifer Rubins and Brooklyn Dads and all the other resistence dorks will be even more unbearable than usual.
Post by: james on March 21, 2023, 10:42:53 AM
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 21, 2023, 11:12:12 AM
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Yes, it's obviously fake, I just liked the response.
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Post by: Himu on March 21, 2023, 11:12:33 AM
I'd usually find Trump getting nicked hilarious (on a pretty weak charge too), but some of the most annoying people online will be taking this as a personal W so :kobeyuck
The likes of yer Jennifer Rubins and Brooklyn Dads and all the other resistence dorks will be even more unbearable than usual.
This is their decade, dude. It is what it is. I said it before but this is the Democrats decade. There's no way the GOP is bouncing back from Trump with him in the picture. But the wokies are trying to turn our world into Sodom and Gomorrah and make our children gay and trans while making excuse for criminals and making black people the top of the food chain not out of merit but victimhood. So in the long run GOP has a path to victory. But it has many miles. Midterms 2018, Dems won 2020, midterms 2022. The good news is that Biden barely won and Dems repeatedly keep barely gaining a majority or advantage. This will make them arrogant as they continue to stomp on heel of family building in lieu of LGBTQ catering, black victimhood propping, and communism flirting. Once Trump dies from his McDonalds diet on a faraway island like Napoleon perhaps we as a country can move on from him and so can GOP because the Republicans are the only ones stopping the insanity before we fall to social decay and leftism.
So let them celebrate but long term they are losers. Democrats have no path beyond Biden. Their young potentials are either duds (Kamala), coastal elites that subsist in bubbles of their own crappy leftist circle (AOC, Talib, Schiff, Newsome), or gay (Polis). They cancelled their own real path forward in Cuomo.
I know things look bad now and the lefties will be happy but you gotta think long term here.
Post by: james on March 21, 2023, 11:50:01 AM
They cancelled their own real path forward in Cuomo.
Cauli is a funny guy, but nobody can top this
:crowdlaff
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 21, 2023, 11:59:39 AM
:doge
Post by: Nintex on March 21, 2023, 03:29:35 PM
Xi And Putin are carving up the world and they're playing ((identity politics)) all day every day.
Post by: benjipwns on March 21, 2023, 06:28:40 PM
This is back, guess he got reported for it and it was temporarily taken down. :lolhttps://twitter.com/dril/status/1637700700150059008
Fucking dril is deleting tweets now.
The woke mob have gone too far :social
Post by: benjipwns on March 21, 2023, 06:31:33 PM
or gay (Polis).Like Buttigieg, this isn't actually a problem, breh.
But then I looked up Polis' husband and I withdraw my objection:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Polis-M.Obama_%28cropped%29.jpg)
Post by: Nintex on March 21, 2023, 07:07:28 PM
Post by: Himu on March 21, 2023, 10:45:16 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/mar/20/ipcc-climate-crisis-report-delivers-final-warning-on-15c
This time we really mean it!!!!
My entire life I've been hearing this. I no longer care. I care about the environment but climate doomerism, forcing everyone to live a certain life based on the perceived notion that it will make our planet better (a massive what if), make me pause. It's convenient that liberals want us all to get rid of straws, and gas stoves, and gas cars when there's corporations they've invested in that solves alllll the answers. Feels like capitalism and forcing the market to behave one particular way while claiming their ideas will save the planet when they refuse to invest in nuclear. Lul.
Post by: benjipwns on March 21, 2023, 10:51:23 PM
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All of those impacts are set to increase rapidly, as we have failed to reverse the 200-year trend of rising greenhouse gas emissions, despite more than 30 years of warnings from the IPCC, which published its first report in 1990.:hmm
Post by: Himu on March 21, 2023, 10:57:35 PM
How convenient. Leftists have all the damn answers. Can't wait for the next big climate summit when a bunch of rich yuppies meet to tell me how to live as they travel in their private jets that pump out CO2!
Post by: james on March 21, 2023, 11:49:33 PM
Stop having families! Stop making kids! Get rid of your gas stove! Get rid of your gas car! Travel less!
How convenient. Leftists have all the damn answers. Can't wait for the next big climate summit when a bunch of rich yuppies meet to tell me how to live as they travel in their private jets that pump out CO2!
You think the stove thing is about CO2?
Post by: Nintex on March 22, 2023, 04:17:29 AM
The left mostly dwells in their shithole cities with garbage piles, crime and overpopulation. If I would live there I would also be convinced the world is ending.
Post by: james on March 22, 2023, 08:51:23 AM
It's a matter of voting for what you don't have.
The left mostly dwells in their shithole cities with garbage piles, crime and overpopulation. If I would live there I would also be convinced the world is ending.
Nintex we must remind you that you are Dutch
Post by: Beezy on March 22, 2023, 09:44:23 AM
Stop having families! Stop making kids! Get rid of your gas stove! Get rid of your gas car! Travel less!
How convenient. Leftists have all the damn answers. Can't wait for the next big climate summit when a bunch of rich yuppies meet to tell me how to live as they travel in their private jets that pump out CO2!
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Guterres called on governments to take drastic action to reduce emissions by investing in renewable energy and low-carbon technology.
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2023, 10:50:59 AM
The climate is obviously warming, and it seems fact that humans are causing at least some of that.
My issue is: what do you want us to do about it? You want us to upend multiple key facets of our lives to potentially slow the warming? It's an impossible ask—we will never know how much our well-intentioned actions did or did not help the climate, and for that reason alone, it's a farce to me.
Combined with the hysterical doomer takes by science reporters in the media - the article I linked says,"last warning" - for the past thirty years and we have even less reason to care. It's just noise. And until governments, corporations, and rich people that buy private jets and villas change nothing will. No amount of people going vegan, buy electric cars, or electric stoves will do anything long-term in terms of numbers to offset. Notice all three solutions above involve how money is spent rather than actual long term solutions like new energy sources that use less carbon such as nuclear. Because just like their attempts to get more women into the workforce it's a game to make us spend more money. "Have less kids!" "Buy a new car!" "Your stove is now illegal!" while the rich and powerful get to do whatever they want with zero sacrifices on their part. They use the very real mechanisms of climate change to usurp more power from the populace. It is a giant cabal of dysfunctional misfits who want to control us and I'm not playing their game.
Post by: james on March 22, 2023, 12:19:34 PM
Ah yes, they're urging them to act.
The climate is obviously warming, and it seems fact that humans are causing at least some of that.
My issue is: what do you want us to do about it?
I can think of one renowned muslim man who took an effective proactive approach at decreasing the carbon emission causes by air travel.
Himu, are you a complainer or a leader?
Post by: Nintex on March 22, 2023, 01:03:44 PM
:trumps
Post by: BIONIC on March 22, 2023, 01:09:34 PM
Post by: james on March 22, 2023, 01:17:13 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 22, 2023, 01:33:59 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 22, 2023, 02:16:35 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1638531949441478658 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1638531949441478658)
oof yikes
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 22, 2023, 02:23:27 PM
Post by: Himu on March 22, 2023, 03:15:06 PM
Post by: team filler on March 22, 2023, 03:19:35 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 22, 2023, 03:21:54 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 22, 2023, 04:17:37 PM
Post by: BIONIC on March 22, 2023, 04:43:27 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2023, 05:18:26 PM
It's a matter of voting for what you don't have.Okay, so explain why the "right" thinks the world is ending too.
The left mostly dwells in their shithole cities with garbage piles, crime and overpopulation. If I would live there I would also be convinced the world is ending.
I can think of one renowned muslim man who took an effective proactive approach at decreasing the carbon emission causes by air travel.Osama was more of a "you guys should totally do this while I chill at a compound with my wives" type of guy.
Himu, are you a complainer or a leader?
twitter.com/atrupar/status/1638531949441478658Is this not a totally rational conclusion from Jones? Rupar is becoming more insane the more unemployed he is. :doge
oof yikes
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 22, 2023, 06:53:49 PM
Post by: james on March 22, 2023, 07:02:51 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2023, 07:16:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/teUincp.png)
Yes, Florida is the third largest state by population.
Meanwhile, it's true "Polls have crashed" for somebody:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZtgRRFJ.png)
Post by: Nintex on March 22, 2023, 07:16:16 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr21i-1WAAIIBaK?format=jpg)
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1638659200724217865 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1638659200724217865)
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2023, 07:18:41 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 22, 2023, 08:20:25 PM
:lol
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 22, 2023, 08:23:43 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 23, 2023, 03:49:08 AM
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1638721386343481344 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1638721386343481344)
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Meanwhile, the source said, “Trump couldn’t stop smiling as he played ‘Maria’ from ‘West Side Story,’ the theme from ‘Phantom of the Opera’ and a chorus of ‘Hallelujah’ that had people scratching their heads as to exactly what that meant.”
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A source previously told Page Six of Trump and his supporters, “They are very pumped about this … The Manhattan DA, NYPD and even the Department of Justice were trying to work out a quiet handover coordinated with the Secret Service — and Trump was having none of that. If an indictment and arrest happens, he wants it to be public.”
We were even told that team Trump is planning to “try and film and document it with their own camera crew, they want a shot of him in cuffs and will release the mugshot. They are loving this stuff.”
:dead
Post by: Maiden Voyage on March 23, 2023, 08:46:54 AM
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 23, 2023, 08:53:20 AM
Post by: james on March 23, 2023, 12:45:36 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 23, 2023, 02:52:01 PM
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1638967109139963905 (https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1638967109139963905)
Donald Trump: I'm gonna beat the DA with a baseball bat
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr7EszYagAE7dTX?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr6l_loWwAAxqOW?format=jpg)
Trump rally this saturday, Ron DeSanctimonious collapsed in the polls, no indictment. :trumps
Post by: Maiden Voyage on March 23, 2023, 03:54:18 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2023, 04:02:12 PM
Trump will be the first President to serve 3 terms since FDR.This is why I think the Democrats need to sue to get him off the ballot, enforce the 22nd Amendment! :american
Post by: Nintex on March 23, 2023, 04:48:40 PM
Russia hacked the election in 2016 so Hillary actually won and Trump wasn't elected so Trump can run again in 2028.
Post by: james on March 23, 2023, 09:11:16 PM
Post by: team filler on March 23, 2023, 09:25:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9Pa0r63.jpeg)
Post by: Potato on March 23, 2023, 09:52:56 PM
ron's more of a duvalin guy. 2 in the pink, one in the stinkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nECac7O4hg8
(https://i.imgur.com/9Pa0r63.jpeg)
Post by: Nintex on March 24, 2023, 09:23:59 AM
:lawd
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on March 24, 2023, 09:43:25 AM
:delicious
Post by: Nintex on March 24, 2023, 03:10:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsAEhheXwBgppK3?format=jpg)
Trump's Punisher face paint is really the best branding choice he made for the 2024 election.
Post by: team filler on March 24, 2023, 10:49:21 PM
this may be both the worst and best nickname he's come up with :rofl
Post by: BIONIC on March 25, 2023, 12:24:04 AM
any videos of trumpy saying "ron desnctimonious"
this may be both the worst and best nickname he's come up with :rofl
How do we get Nintex hired to be his speech writer so he can get Trumpy to call him Ron DeSoros on national television? :lol
Post by: Nintex on March 25, 2023, 04:54:58 AM
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1639374541871804419 (https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1639374541871804419)
Post by: team filler on March 25, 2023, 05:08:50 AM
does he already have someone in mind? :thinking maybe marianne orb mom :doge
Post by: Nintex on March 25, 2023, 07:08:10 AM
I would only vote for trumpy if he did something wild like have crazy bernie or abuela hillary as his vice prezAt this point probably Catturd2 or one of many Mikes :trumps
does he already have someone in mind? :thinking maybe marianne orb mom :doge
Post by: Maiden Voyage on March 25, 2023, 09:23:20 AM
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F21%2Fb3%2F3d%2F21b33d0bf423f539a211c612cb708d27.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=bc8a87f3dbe3eb9178dd559d7e723835e5802f5c669e50ce4de0d1c719b21c90&ipo=images)
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2023, 02:12:14 PM
twitter.com/atrupar/status/1639253181732405248Guess they better make sure it's not a false charge then huh? :kermit
Post by: Nintex on March 25, 2023, 05:47:38 PM
I would only vote for trumpy if he did something wild like have crazy bernie or abuela hillary as his vice prez
does he already have someone in mind? :thinking maybe marianne orb mom :doge
If this absolute banger doesn't make you vote for Donald John Trump nothing will
https://twitter.com/MuskTillDawn/status/1639664688895262720 (https://twitter.com/MuskTillDawn/status/1639664688895262720)
Post by: Nintex on March 26, 2023, 06:33:55 AM
any videos of trumpy saying "ron desnctimonious"https://twitter.com/alx/status/1639774535510532096 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1639774535510532096)
this may be both the worst and best nickname he's come up with :rofl
The Catturd Poll and Ron DeSanctimonious
Post by: jorma on March 26, 2023, 09:57:56 AM
any videos of trumpy saying "ron desnctimonious"https://twitter.com/alx/status/1639774535510532096 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1639774535510532096)
this may be both the worst and best nickname he's come up with :rofl
The Catturd Poll and Ron DeSanctimonious
i'm sorry but i counted two mentions of "69", but not even one "nice", what is this bullshit election even about? :cac
Post by: Nintex on March 27, 2023, 02:44:31 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 27, 2023, 03:37:13 PM
Post by: HardcoreRetro on March 27, 2023, 03:54:39 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 27, 2023, 07:26:11 PM
Post by: team filler on March 27, 2023, 08:26:08 PM
Post by: james on March 27, 2023, 08:29:44 PM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1640490947036295168 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1640490947036295168)
Shame
Post by: Nintex on March 28, 2023, 03:26:11 AM
:rejoice
Post by: Maiden Voyage on March 28, 2023, 09:43:17 AM
Is the hard R one of those Spanish rolling Rs?
I just say Nuclea' to avoid any problems with the uptight crowd.
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on March 28, 2023, 03:15:10 PM
:usacry
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 28, 2023, 03:34:40 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 28, 2023, 03:59:58 PM
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2023, 09:16:22 PM
Ivanka is the only correct choice.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F21%2Fb3%2F3d%2F21b33d0bf423f539a211c612cb708d27.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=bc8a87f3dbe3eb9178dd559d7e723835e5802f5c669e50ce4de0d1c719b21c90&ipo=images)
Yes Madam President. I will do anything Madam President.
Post by: Potato on March 28, 2023, 09:31:24 PM
It's pronounced NEW-cue-lar thank you very much...Is the hard R one of those Spanish rolling Rs?
I just say Nuclea' to avoid any problems with the uptight crowd.
Post by: Himu on March 28, 2023, 09:32:40 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2023, 10:15:27 PM
twitter.com/LolOverruled/status/1640497100973568006On the upside, like most things about laws on Twitter, the text of this bill nowhere says it would criminalize using a VPN as the tweeter alleges. I'm certainly not an expert on such foreign adversary laws but I'm skeptical any individual would even be charged under this law for anything except as an enhancing charge to another set of crimes. It seems more targeted at companies and such. For one thing it requires one million users for most of the provisions.
What the bill actually seems to be intended to do is to write more things into preexisting statutes that allow the Secretary of Commerce to kibosh foreign deals between private partners on the spurious grounds that it "threatens" national security to allow foreigners to obtain information the federal government wants to keep from them that they can Google. It baits the hook by suggesting it's about "classified national secrets" but then starts getting broader in the more vague language.
My favorite part of the Twitter replies is all the talk about how it's fascism because in a certain way it is but none of the tweeters would be willing to evaluate why because it would upend their views about what fascism is and how long it's been an accepted major strain of Western politics that they all likely adhere to and refuse to drop.
Post by: Maiden Voyage on March 29, 2023, 06:06:27 AM
It's pronounced NEW-cue-lar thank you very much...Is the hard R one of those Spanish rolling Rs?
I just say Nuclea' to avoid any problems with the uptight crowd.
That's racist.gif
Post by: Nintex on March 29, 2023, 02:41:07 PM
:trumps
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 29, 2023, 02:46:51 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2023, 08:02:37 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on March 29, 2023, 08:49:31 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 30, 2023, 03:20:47 AM
Thank you Alvin!
Post by: james on March 30, 2023, 01:08:12 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 30, 2023, 05:43:06 PM
:pika
Trump should've invaded Iraq for the oil again and killed another million iraqi's or so. They would've given him a nobel prize and a Netflix show for that :obama
Post by: james on March 30, 2023, 05:58:00 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2023, 06:16:39 PM
Post by: james on March 30, 2023, 06:19:56 PM
Post by: team filler on March 30, 2023, 06:22:36 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on March 30, 2023, 06:24:40 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 30, 2023, 06:27:13 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsgDyzuXwAYrjJT?format=jpg)
Post by: BIONIC on March 30, 2023, 06:43:39 PM
Post by: HaughtyFrank on March 30, 2023, 06:45:03 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2023, 06:49:04 PM
Have the walls finally closed in? :titusMark down the date, this is the end of Donald Trump's Presidency.
Post by: team filler on March 30, 2023, 06:54:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YoXlxxs.jpeg)spotted at a local coffee shop :doge
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2023, 07:10:43 PM
Just shows you how far these centrist propaganda stations go to cover up for him and is why I only rely on trusted Twitter accounts now.
Post by: team filler on March 30, 2023, 07:14:29 PM
Post by: Nintex on March 30, 2023, 07:19:42 PM
:salute The Party is United :rejoice
Post by: Maiden Voyage on March 30, 2023, 07:22:49 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2023, 07:31:49 PM
biden won the last election, benj. trump is at maralago :dogeI can't believe you forgot January 6th already.
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2023, 08:34:24 PM
Greg :playa
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/rosso_cat1/status/1641578027497803779
:girlaff
:girlaff
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Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2023, 10:39:58 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2023, 10:41:13 PM
https://twitter.com/damintoell/status/1641627007451537408
:lawd she's amazing
Post by: Nintex on March 31, 2023, 02:59:41 AM
https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1641593525719511049 (https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1641593525719511049)
Post by: james on March 31, 2023, 02:36:41 PM
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1641647161996722176
Post by: Nintex on March 31, 2023, 03:00:57 PM
wait for the end :lol
Post by: D3RANG3D on March 31, 2023, 03:23:16 PM
Post by: james on March 31, 2023, 05:09:35 PM
Post by: team filler on March 31, 2023, 05:57:29 PM
https://twitter.com/EricaRN4USA/status/1641550454399066113 (https://twitter.com/EricaRN4USA/status/1641550454399066113):ohhh
wait for the end :lol
Post by: Nintex on March 31, 2023, 06:16:00 PM
The first banana republic with a leader that doesn't remember what a banana is
Post by: james on March 31, 2023, 06:39:42 PM
Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2023, 07:08:36 PM
At least now you've got a case to appeal to the Supreme Court. :kermit
Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2023, 11:38:02 PM
Quote from: https://www.kcra.com/amp/article/california-reparations-task-force-2nd-day-testimony/43472301
It wrapped up a two-day meeting in Sacramento on Thursday, which included heated public comments, some filled with frustration.
In public comments, Jamilia Land talked about what she called the "true nature of reparations."
At the core of the word: It's repair, repair for the harm that has been caused," Land said.
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The task force listened to several hours of testimony over the past two days, much of it with strong emotions. Some called for the whole system to be "dismantled."
Others suggested how to spend the $800 billion economists suggest would be needed for decades of over-policing, disproportionate incarceration and housing discrimination.
"Seems to me free health care, free education, tax-exempt status, land allocations, a check, all have longevity," said Douglas Oliver.
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Moore also said the task force wants to debunk the argument that California was never a slave-free state.:american
"We brought experts in to disrupt the myth around California of not having any role at all in slavery," she said. "We learned very early on that California was only free in name only."
Post by: Potato on April 01, 2023, 03:01:10 AM
https://twitter.com/EricaRN4USA/status/1641550454399066113 (https://twitter.com/EricaRN4USA/status/1641550454399066113)The one time in history that someone saying "wait until the end" was worth it.
wait for the end :lol
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 01, 2023, 04:57:38 AM
:usacry
Post by: BIONIC on April 01, 2023, 05:30:32 AM
Post by: Nintex on April 01, 2023, 10:14:03 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsoMMFrX0AAhSjr?format=jpg)
Hell yeah
https://twitter.com/MAGAIncWarRoom/status/1641578408080441345 (https://twitter.com/MAGAIncWarRoom/status/1641578408080441345)
Post by: Propagandhim on April 01, 2023, 03:32:49 PM
Post by: Potato on April 01, 2023, 03:48:43 PM
Losers donating to the personal legal defense of a billionaire. :lolAmericans really be that fucking stupid, right?
Post by: team filler on April 01, 2023, 03:55:43 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2023, 05:24:34 PM
Losers donating to the personal legal defense of a billionaire. :lolIt's dumber, I think this is donations to his presidential campaign.
Also, "billionaire."
Post by: Nintex on April 01, 2023, 07:43:27 PM
:iface
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2023, 12:33:01 AM
Post by: Uncle on April 02, 2023, 10:02:59 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/dyingscribe/status/1642306554157301761
Post by: BIONIC on April 02, 2023, 10:39:42 AM
Post by: Nintex on April 02, 2023, 10:58:28 AM
Yeah but after posting this, you didn't start to delete your posts in panic. :lolI or any random schmuck can “speak in first person” as AOC or literally anyone else under any random tweet right now. Not sure what that proves.
Hey folx, this is your favorite bore user Uncle. I just wanted to let y’all know that I really love eating poop.
With that said, it is true that you can get locked up for tweets now in Bidens Marxist Banana Republic.
Post by: BIONIC on April 02, 2023, 11:09:23 AM
Post by: Uncle on April 02, 2023, 12:28:28 PM
Post by: BIONIC on April 02, 2023, 12:49:09 PM
By the same token, AOC being a Twitter troll isn’t impossible either I suppose lmao
Post by: Nintex on April 02, 2023, 01:22:13 PM
it's not even that big a deal, but it's a pretty long con to pretend you're on AOC's side for over a year with thousands of tweets, then "accidentally" reveal yourself and delete everything, just to hope she's briefly angry that people think she had a burner for a dayWasn't it star witness Michael Cohen that ran a bunch of Twitter accounts of women praising him for his looks :lol
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 02, 2023, 03:37:45 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 02, 2023, 05:48:49 PM
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1642603375152734214 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1642603375152734214)
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2023, 08:37:52 PM
Post by: jorma on April 03, 2023, 03:19:55 AM
The regime is shaking in their boots
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1642603375152734214 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1642603375152734214)
the dmc control might be held by a ghoulish right wing cabal who cynically fights a culture war so that they wont have to fight a class war, but i'm fairly sure that they are way too smart to give Trump an easy talking point on his rallies :yeshrug
Post by: Maiden Voyage on April 03, 2023, 07:38:47 AM
Post by: Nintex on April 03, 2023, 12:57:22 PM
https://twitter.com/RyanAFournier/status/1642917738518650880 (https://twitter.com/RyanAFournier/status/1642917738518650880)
DeSanctimonious will soon have to flee Florida :lol
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1642931609241284608 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1642931609241284608)
Post by: Nintex on April 03, 2023, 06:18:43 PM
https://twitter.com/blondeconserv1/status/1642976511442534400 (https://twitter.com/blondeconserv1/status/1642976511442534400)
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1642883262530945025 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1642883262530945025)
Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2023, 09:08:26 PM
.https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1642881630862753793
Post by: Uncle on April 03, 2023, 10:31:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/tUsIC9e.png)
Post by: Nintex on April 04, 2023, 03:06:26 AM
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1643090377421750274 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1643090377421750274)
Calls for Bragg to indict himself
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2023, 03:15:50 AM
Post by: team filler on April 04, 2023, 03:22:24 AM
the avatar is tatsuhiro sato from welcome to the NHK :doge.https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1642881630862753793
one of my favorite shows of all time. whoever runs that account rules 8)
https://www.crunchyroll.com/series/G6MGNDGW6/welcome-to-the-n-h-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlXkj-RO-M
I really doubt aoc knows about the show and doubt the avatar was chosen at random.
also, the guy tagged zazademon in his reply and then wondered why that account responded to him in first person :snoop
Post by: BIONIC on April 04, 2023, 05:18:34 AM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 04, 2023, 01:12:07 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 04, 2023, 01:36:33 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fs4x461aAAAtnjJ?format=png)
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1643306591851270144 (https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1643306591851270144)
Post by: james on April 04, 2023, 02:47:53 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on April 04, 2023, 02:51:36 PM
The walls
are
closing
in
Post by: Maiden Voyage on April 04, 2023, 02:55:57 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 04, 2023, 03:06:14 PM
:american
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 04, 2023, 03:10:51 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on April 04, 2023, 03:14:20 PM
https://twitter.com/EricTrump/status/1643209196199112705
lol trump's sons shitposting about the judge's daughter. :lol
Post by: Nintex on April 04, 2023, 03:40:13 PM
https://twitter.com/ChadGilmartinCA/status/1643333746156765186 (https://twitter.com/ChadGilmartinCA/status/1643333746156765186)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fs49GYsXoAEmd3N?format=jpg)
Post by: team filler on April 04, 2023, 03:47:46 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 04, 2023, 04:02:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqxpgcjWzxQ
Post by: MMaRsu on April 04, 2023, 04:06:47 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 04, 2023, 04:07:00 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 04, 2023, 04:22:30 PM
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1643252969977028614
Post by: BIONIC on April 04, 2023, 04:28:01 PM
Post by: who is ted danson? on April 04, 2023, 04:35:22 PM
It’s finally abuela’s time to shine :jeb
Someone post the donut hole meme again please, bonus points if it s filller
Post by: Potato on April 04, 2023, 04:43:38 PM
I, for one, do NOT want to see filler's doughnut hole.It’s finally abuela’s time to shine :jeb
Someone post the donut hole meme again please, bonus points if it s filller
Post by: BIONIC on April 04, 2023, 04:45:41 PM
I, for one, do NOT want to see filler's doughnut hole.It’s finally abuela’s time to shine :jeb
Someone post the donut hole meme again please, bonus points if it s filller
Delete your account :camby
Post by: team filler on April 04, 2023, 04:46:17 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2023, 04:51:53 PM
Guess who finally cares about voters in Wisconsin?Spread the word! Vote for a judge to protect democracy!
twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1643252969977028614
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 04, 2023, 05:27:34 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 04, 2023, 06:07:56 PM
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1643353510510047233 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1643353510510047233)
https://twitter.com/TAftermath2020/status/1643358694254727168 (https://twitter.com/TAftermath2020/status/1643358694254727168)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fs5sMx8WcAk4IhN?format=jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fs5qt1uWAAAU0o9?format=jpg)
Post by: Propagandhim on April 04, 2023, 06:15:15 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on April 04, 2023, 06:21:19 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 04, 2023, 06:35:57 PM
https://twitter.com/MAGAIncWarRoom/status/1643354186837270534 (https://twitter.com/MAGAIncWarRoom/status/1643354186837270534)
Post by: Potato on April 04, 2023, 06:52:01 PM
I, for one, do not NOT want to see filler's doughnut hole.It’s finally abuela’s time to shine :jeb
Someone post the donut hole meme again please, bonus points if it s filller
Delete your account :camby
Sorry, it was a typo.
Fixed now
Post by: Potato on April 04, 2023, 06:55:15 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on April 04, 2023, 09:01:26 PM
Post by: Himu on April 04, 2023, 11:15:44 PM
Abortion is killing the GOP lmao
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/wisconsin-supreme-court-election-liberals-win-majority-rcna77190
Post by: Himu on April 04, 2023, 11:25:43 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/ron-desantis-signs-affordable-housing-plan/
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2023, 11:40:08 PM
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1643353510510047233Nice, Trump getting the ol' Prosecutor Special he loves.
DeSantis signed a mn affordable housing plan. If he could just focus on victories like this and raising teacher salaries the guy could be a hut all across the political aisle but instead he's obsessed with getting MAGA culture warrior support.
https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/ron-desantis-signs-affordable-housing-plan/
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NAPLES - Gov. Ron DeSantis has signed into law a $711 million plan to make housing more affordable for working Floridians.Where's the victory, all I see here is a price increase for cronies funded by the taxpayers?
A priority of Senate President Kathleen Passidomo, the "Live Local Act," will more than double funding for housing and rental programs, provide incentives for investment in affordable housing and encourage mixed-use developments in struggling commercial areas.
"As demand is high to move to a place like Florida, it makes it more challenging for folks to be able to afford," DeSantis said during a bill-signing event in Naples. "I think this is the biggest effort that's ever been done in the history of Florida."
Post by: Nintex on April 05, 2023, 02:47:21 AM
Trump crushed it unlike fat alvin
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1643445869193187328 (https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1643445869193187328)
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2023, 03:38:29 AM
twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1643410457183567872Well, aside from all those other crimes. :trumps
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2023, 03:42:57 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/srN84R1.png)
Fucking nailed it.
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Court should have hired Ben Garrison instead.
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Post by: james on April 05, 2023, 09:38:37 AM
Liberals won a majority in Wisconsin Supreme Court for the first time in 15 years.
Abortion is killing the GOP lmao
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/wisconsin-supreme-court-election-liberals-win-majority-rcna77190
Liberals swept all the elections last night the republican party is done
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2023, 12:08:07 PM
:era
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 05, 2023, 02:06:55 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 05, 2023, 02:44:22 PM
:trumps
It's true that they need to thank Trump for sticking with them.Liberals won a majority in Wisconsin Supreme Court for the first time in 15 years.
Abortion is killing the GOP lmao
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/wisconsin-supreme-court-election-liberals-win-majority-rcna77190
Liberals swept all the elections last night the republican party is done
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 05, 2023, 02:47:57 PM
low key acknowledging potus biden.
lol
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2023, 03:14:20 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/04/04/us/elections/results-wisconsin-supreme-court.html
Another massive L for republicans in a state-wide election. Dems now control MI, PA, and WI election administration going into 2024. :doge
It's almost like nobody cares about trans or gay shit outside of the internet, and in real life people are concerned about abortion and democracy......
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 05, 2023, 04:33:17 PM
https://twitter.com/OccupyDemocrats/status/1643684527683010560
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 05, 2023, 04:44:29 PM
Post by: Himu on April 05, 2023, 04:46:49 PM
Liberals won a majority in Wisconsin Supreme Court for the first time in 15 years.
Abortion is killing the GOP lmao
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/wisconsin-supreme-court-election-liberals-win-majority-rcna77190
Liberals swept all the elections last night the republican party is done
Yeah, Trump + endless culture war crap + ending Roe is going to diminish Republican gains for a decade plus. RIP. If DeSantis signs that 6 week Florida abortion bill he can kiss any Presidential wishes goodbye. No idea why they're willing to die on such a hill most Americans are moderate on. Just absolutely ridiculous banana town. The Republican Party deserves what it gets.
There's no way Democrats don't win 2024 and if the crystal ball is clear, 2028 as well.
Post by: Nintex on April 05, 2023, 05:06:02 PM
We're now praying not just for Trump, but also his buildings apparently.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1643718074678296576 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1643718074678296576)
Deep State needs to practice more :pacspit
Yeah, Trump + endless culture war crap + ending Roe is going to diminish Republican gains for a decade plus. RIP. If DeSantis signs that 6 week Florida abortion bill he can kiss any Presidential wishes goodbye. No idea why they're willing to die on such a hill most Americans are moderate on. Just absolutely ridiculous banana town. The Republican Party deserves what it gets.That's something the Republicans didn't get. Trump is the moderate. That's where his cross party appeal and minority support comes from.
There's no way Democrats don't win 2024 and if the crystal ball is clear, 2028 as well.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2023, 05:06:55 PM
Vast majority of people are pro-choice and now that access to abortion determines on who your governor is, we're gonna see more and more republican losses. They'd be better off if we re-instate Roe v Wade in a few years tbh.
Post by: Himu on April 05, 2023, 05:20:03 PM
The abortion problem is that everyone is beginning to recognize this stuff is largely bs. If abortion is murder, why is a 6 week ban better than an outright ban? Surely you should support a complete ban because saying "well we can kill the baby at 7 weeks but not 6 weeks" isn't logical.
I never considered that factor but that's a good point. Also most people are fine with it up to 16-20 weeks. If 6 weeks is fine why isn't 16 or 20? It would grant you a concession and garner support on both sides of the aisle and do well with moderates and independents. And if up to 6 weeks is fine why not in the case of emergencies for mother or baby or in instances of rape? It's just bad politics all around and they're just going to cause more red districts become blue.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1643690466964021248 (https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1643690466964021248)
We're now praying not just for Trump, but also his buildings apparently.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1643718074678296576 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1643718074678296576)
Deep State needs to practice more :pacspitYeah, Trump + endless culture war crap + ending Roe is going to diminish Republican gains for a decade plus. RIP. If DeSantis signs that 6 week Florida abortion bill he can kiss any Presidential wishes goodbye. No idea why they're willing to die on such a hill most Americans are moderate on. Just absolutely ridiculous banana town. The Republican Party deserves what it gets.That's something the Republicans didn't get. Trump is the moderate. That's where his cross party appeal and minority support comes from.
There's no way Democrats don't win 2024 and if the crystal ball is clear, 2028 as well.
He just got out of jail. Isn't he on probation? Why is even allowed anywhere near a protest?
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That's something the Republicans didn't get. Trump is the moderate. That's where his cross party appeal and minority support comes from.
:what
Trump has said the election has been fake for years. That's far from moderate.
Post by: Nintex on April 05, 2023, 05:25:48 PM
He just got out of jail. Isn't he on probation? Why is even allowed anywhere near a protest?Because it's not the real one but an imposter. :trumps
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After the midterms were dissapointing he pointed out that the reason was the Republican platform and going all in on abortion as well as them trying to abolish welfare benefits.QuoteThat's something the Republicans didn't get. Trump is the moderate. That's where his cross party appeal and minority support comes from.
:what
Trump has said the election has been fake for years. That's far from moderate.
Trump also governed as a moderate on most social and economic issues. Things as justice reform as well as subsidies for farmers.
Post by: Himu on April 05, 2023, 05:36:12 PM
He just got out of jail. Isn't he on probation? Why is even allowed anywhere near a protest?Because it's not the real one but an imposter. :trumpsQuoteAfter the midterms were dissapointing he pointed out that the reason was the Republican platform and going all in on abortion as well as them trying to abolish welfare benefits.QuoteThat's something the Republicans didn't get. Trump is the moderate. That's where his cross party appeal and minority support comes from.
:what
Trump has said the election has been fake for years. That's far from moderate.
Trump also governed as a moderate on most social and economic issues. Things as justice reform as well as subsidies for farmers.
Trump backed TX-34 Rep Mayra Flores said this about abortion.
https://twitter.com/MayraFlores2022/status/1550629649461428226
Post by: Himu on April 05, 2023, 05:39:20 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2023, 05:58:04 PM
With regards to the trans shit...there are too many elections at this point that have shown people don't care. I think most Americans are confused about this issue, aren't comfortable about various aspects of it and likely think it's weird. But the problem the right wing has is that most people don't want to be perceived as dicks or mean. That's why in social settings most people will use the pronouns a trans person wants you to use. Not because they "agree" - they don't want to be rude or have a confrontation. And I think the end result is a normal person reaction of "yea some of that shit is weird but it doesn't bother me. Do you." And as people begin to meet more trans people and trans kids, the end result will be even more understanding. Especially once the scare tactics fail and people realize oh wow, kids aren't regularly having their dicks cut off and there's a large medical process in place to determine the best health outcomes for kids.
Post by: Himu on April 05, 2023, 06:01:03 PM
This comment was on discord and I agree with it. Gave me a chuckle.
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The gop is the dog chasing the abortion car that now doesn’t know what to do once they’ve caught it
Also Nintex, Obama to Trump voters are pro-choice. That's what helped Trump in 2016. But many Trumpist politicians are completely pro-life with a capitol L.
Post by: Himu on April 05, 2023, 06:23:13 PM
As a Republican voter, that is a mix of pro-choice and pro-life positions, that has witnessed this past year, here's why that won't happen:
1. Abortion is like guns are for Democrats. Abortion is a wedge issue for Republicans.
2. Guns don't bring Dem voters out the way abortion brings out Republicans. Guns are a concern for Dems but they're not the top concern. There are few single issue anti-gun Dem voters. It's often a bonus position. This isn't the case with Republicans. With both guns and abortion Republicans will make that their main concern or even top issue.
3. Republican voters like me that are more moderate on abortion and aren't hardliners don't seem to be as powerful within the party nor have as much influence.
Therefore Republicans can't moderate.
If they do, they push away a crucial voting bloc in Evangelicals and Catholics which makes them unelectable. If they don't they turn off moderates and independents.
I honestly see no way out of this given how much the Republican party tied itself to this wagon for decades. Now the chain has melded and they're locked in. Similarly Democrats can't moderate on guns. But guns, unlike abortion, is protected freedom in our nation. Abortion has no such protection so Dems don't really need to moderate on guns and still win.
Democrats will just continue to eat away Republican districts and the more extreme Republican states like Texas will just get worse.
Post by: Uncle on April 05, 2023, 06:23:49 PM
Especially once the scare tactics fail and people realize oh wow, kids aren't regularly having their dicks cut off and there's a large medical process in place to determine the best health outcomes for kids.
I don't agree with this
feels like every couple of months a new whistleblower from something like Mermaids comes out and says "yeah, we're all absolutely terrified of being called bigots from both within and without so there's a firm culture of rubber stamp approving everything every kid or parent says they want"
there's also plenty of coaching online of the exact words you need to say to parents and caregivers to get what you want with a minimum of pushback
we need more longer term studies on today's young people who are transitioning, which does more than follow them for 1 or 2 years, we need to know 10 years down the line if they are still happy and healthy...and such studies need to account for pressure to conform within communities, whether they are truly happy or feel like they need to say they are happy just to help normalize and promote similar procedures for others
Post by: Himu on April 05, 2023, 06:27:01 PM
Especially once the scare tactics fail and people realize oh wow, kids aren't regularly having their dicks cut off and there's a large medical process in place to determine the best health outcomes for kids.
I don't agree with this
feels like every couple of months a new whistleblower from something like Mermaids comes out and says "yeah, we're all absolutely terrified of being called bigots from both within and without so there's a firm culture of rubber stamp approving everything every kid or parent says they want"
there's also plenty of coaching online of the exact words you need to say to parents and caregivers to get what you want with a minimum of pushback
we need more longer term studies on today's young people who are transitioning, which does more than follow them for 1 or 2 years, we need to know 10 years down the line if they are still happy and healthy...and such studies need to account for pressure to conform within communities, whether they are truly happy or feel like they need to say they are happy just to help normalize and promote similar procedures for others
The trans issue is an issue but it's not a major issue right now because they have mainstream acceptance. It's a down the line issue. It will take someone like Jazz hurting himself to really turn it around mainstream.
But even then the amount of trans people is like 1% of the population. It's such an insignificant number might not care and the issue will correct itself in the medical community, proving PD right.
Post by: Nintex on April 05, 2023, 07:12:01 PM
From what I've seen the Trump wing of the party wants to move from an anti-abortion to pro-breeder message following along their ideological leaders like Elon Musk who believe that the human race faces extinction not overpopulation.
Trump has already announced a bunch of policies that would make it more appealing to have kids.
Otherwise they mostly think it is a states issue (so they can get abortions after the swinger parties in another state :lol)
Post by: Himu on April 05, 2023, 07:33:47 PM
Ah yes, state funded media. The same media funded by the Trump administration and other Republican governments even current red states. :doge
It's pretty clear Musk just wants a playground and doesn't care about a quality product. Liberals were right all along on this topic.
Post by: Potato on April 05, 2023, 07:48:42 PM
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1643744170966945792The left only cares about trans issues to use it as a cudgel against the right. The right only cares about it to use it as a cudgel against the left.Especially once the scare tactics fail and people realize oh wow, kids aren't regularly having their dicks cut off and there's a large medical process in place to determine the best health outcomes for kids.
I don't agree with this
feels like every couple of months a new whistleblower from something like Mermaids comes out and says "yeah, we're all absolutely terrified of being called bigots from both within and without so there's a firm culture of rubber stamp approving everything every kid or parent says they want"
there's also plenty of coaching online of the exact words you need to say to parents and caregivers to get what you want with a minimum of pushback
we need more longer term studies on today's young people who are transitioning, which does more than follow them for 1 or 2 years, we need to know 10 years down the line if they are still happy and healthy...and such studies need to account for pressure to conform within communities, whether they are truly happy or feel like they need to say they are happy just to help normalize and promote similar procedures for others
The trans issue is an issue but it's not a major issue right now because they have mainstream acceptance. It's a down the line issue. It will take someone like Jazz hurting himself to really turn it around mainstream.
But even then the amount of trans people is like 1% of the population. It's such an insignificant number might not care and the issue will correct itself in the medical community, proving PD right.
This is just as true for the US as it is in any other western liberal democracy.
The end result is that no one is moving voters one way or the other in any significant volume.
Abortion on the other hand...
Post by: Himu on April 05, 2023, 07:55:01 PM
Post by: Himu on April 05, 2023, 08:21:18 PM
If the Republican party can live with their leader paying hush money to porn stars, they can surely find it in their hearts to accept a moderate position on abortion.
From what I've seen the Trump wing of the party wants to move from an anti-abortion to pro-breeder message following along their ideological leaders like Elon Musk who believe that the human race faces extinction not overpopulation.
Trump has already announced a bunch of policies that would make it more appealing to have kids.
Otherwise they mostly think it is a states issue (so they can get abortions after the swinger parties in another state :lol)
Presidential election is one thing. Midterms and legislatures, something Republicans are losing to Democrats, are another. Especially since Republicans haven't won the popular vote in how many years?
Post by: james on April 05, 2023, 10:27:59 PM
:rejoice
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2023, 10:47:10 PM
I am Trumpacus!Careful Joe:
MAGA: With indicting Trump, they have indicted all of us.
The state: Okay, sure, how do you plead?
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Trump: :trumps
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Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2023, 12:36:09 AM
Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2023, 12:40:31 AM
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Austin Sarat
@ljstprof
Teaches law and politics @amherstcollege. Writes about the death penalty and American political life.
Quote from: https://www.amherst.edu/people/facstaff/adsarat
Austin D. Sarat:stahp
POLITICAL SCIENCE, LAW, JURISPRUDENCE, AND SOCIAL THOUGHT, FILM AND MEDIA STUDIES
William Nelson Cromwell Professor of Jurisprudence and Political Science; Chair of Political Science
Degrees
LL.D (Honorary), Providence College (2008)
J.D., Yale Law School (1988)
A.M. (Honorary), Amherst College (1984)
Ph.D., University of Wisconsin (1973)
M.A., University of Wisconsin (1970)
B.A., Providence College (1969)
Post by: Nintex on April 06, 2023, 03:34:22 AM
https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1643635354082193414Trump getting shot is just another new multi-episode plot to liven up the show. :doge
Of course he survives but from that moment on he drives to his rallies with a Trump Tank and Trump Force One is escorted by F18's.
Post by: Himu on April 06, 2023, 06:33:01 AM
https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1643635354082193414
Christianity really jumped the shark then I guess. How do they insult their own religion?
Post by: Maiden Voyage on April 06, 2023, 08:27:21 AM
Post by: james on April 06, 2023, 11:03:29 AM
Post by: BIONIC on April 06, 2023, 11:08:59 AM
Something needs to be done about Clarence Thomas
I gotchu fam.
Loading up Minecraft as we speak :esports
Post by: james on April 06, 2023, 01:33:13 PM
https://twitter.com/JustinElliott/status/1643936491528151043
Post by: Nintex on April 06, 2023, 01:40:23 PM
Post by: Himu on April 06, 2023, 01:53:29 PM
https://navigatorresearch.org/americans-are-concerned-by-elected-officials-using-wokeness-as-a-distraction/
Is what they say about Black people being bad tippers true? Himu?
https://twitter.com/JustinElliott/status/1643936491528151043
Black people can be awful tippers as someone that has worked hard and pizza delivery.
Post by: Nintex on April 06, 2023, 02:46:00 PM
:dead
(https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/08/afganistan-airport.gif)
Post by: Himu on April 06, 2023, 03:43:28 PM
Post by: Himu on April 06, 2023, 03:48:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/live/ouj1bddTzDI
Post by: Himu on April 06, 2023, 03:55:43 PM
Post by: Himu on April 06, 2023, 04:32:00 PM
https://www.pnj.com/story/news/crime/2023/04/06/rebekah-jones-son-arrested-in-florida-what-we-know-about-digital-threat-allegations/70088634007/
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An incident report released Thursday afternoon by the Santa Rosa Sheriff’s Office allege that the 13-year-old made repeated threats to shoot up Holley Navarre Middle School and to stab students who angered him.
Investigators interviewed multiple students who spoke with the teenager, as well as those who saw messages he posted on social media. In the messages to his friends, the teenager made the following statements, among others:
“I want to shoot up the school.”
“If I get a gun I’m gonna shoot up hnms lol.”
“I’m getting a wrath and natural selection shirt so maybe but I don’t think many ppl know what the columbine shooters look like.”
“Okay so it’s been like 3-4 weeks since I got on my new antidepressants and they aren’t working but they’re suppose to by now so I have no hope in getting better so why not kill the losers at school.”
The teenager told one of his friends that he planned to shoot up the school the Thursday before Spring Break but there were too many things going on so he postponed it until March 31.
The students reported the claims to the school prior to that date and the investigation was launched.
Miami Herald says it's about memes.
https://twitter.com/jkbjournalist/status/1644050061746388999
Dems are turning this into a rally cry against Desantis.
https://twitter.com/BrickmanInGA/status/1644051232259031040
Post by: Nintex on April 06, 2023, 05:40:44 PM
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Okay so it’s been like 3-4 weeks since I got on my new antidepressants
:fbm
Post by: Himu on April 06, 2023, 07:05:28 PM
https://twitter.com/bone00afide/status/1643743095308296192
Post by: Nintex on April 06, 2023, 07:29:34 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 06, 2023, 07:40:26 PM
Post by: BIONIC on April 06, 2023, 08:21:54 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2023, 10:22:49 PM
Is what they say about Black people being bad tippers true? Himu?This guy is a reporter and he couldn't even find out there's no "ethics law" to violate?
twitter.com/JustinElliott/status/1643936491528151043
twitter.com/BrickmanInGA/status/1644051232259031040lol at this idiot thinking an irrelevant lunatic criminal liar is a "political foe" of the guy who just won re-election by 20 points.
Post by: Nintex on April 07, 2023, 02:00:20 PM
Trump/Tulsi 2024 :rejoice
Post by: Nintex on April 07, 2023, 02:41:19 PM
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1644394053172166656 (https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1644394053172166656)
https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1644401426498560001 (https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1644401426498560001)
Post by: james on April 07, 2023, 03:02:01 PM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on April 07, 2023, 04:40:54 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 07, 2023, 05:56:49 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtIuWJiWAAEeijv?format=jpg)
"YoungKim" :lol
Jeb : "You can't bully your way to the Presidency Donald"
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1644137340669968385 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1644137340669968385)
Post by: Himu on April 07, 2023, 07:43:18 PM
Trumps other bitches are fighting :whew :pacspit
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1644394053172166656 (https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1644394053172166656)
https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1644401426498560001 (https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1644401426498560001)
Good. Good. Let them fight.
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2023, 07:46:54 PM
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1644175451026276353 (https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1644175451026276353)
Trump/Tulsi 2024 :rejoice
L + Ratio + Nobody is asking
Post by: benjipwns on April 07, 2023, 10:17:29 PM
Trumps other bitches are fighting :whew :pacspitBut Laura, you yourself posted that you're not allowed to own a gun in Florida because you've been declared mentally incompetent by a court so where's MTG's lie? Is that why you, rarely for yourself, didn't make a legal threat here?
twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1644401426498560001
Post by: Himu on April 08, 2023, 04:33:07 AM
https://twitter.com/GiancarloSopo/status/1630717731342254080
https://twitter.com/ProudElephantUS/status/1630613848838357017
Lmfai
Post by: Himu on April 08, 2023, 04:37:23 AM
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1644444715511578624
Post by: Himu on April 08, 2023, 04:42:59 AM
She has my vote.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/beyond-wall-nikki-haley-businesses-solution-border-crisis
Post by: Nintex on April 08, 2023, 05:10:04 AM
:snore :boring
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1644466314449416192 (https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1644466314449416192)
:respect :playa
Post by: Himu on April 08, 2023, 10:39:57 AM
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tennessee-new-front-battle-american-democracy-98445732
Post by: Himu on April 08, 2023, 03:00:45 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2023, 05:42:56 PM
SAVE DEMOCRACY
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tennessee-new-front-battle-american-democracy-98445732
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Tennessee has become a new front in the battle for the future of American democracy after Republicans expelled two Black lawmakers from the state Legislature for their part in a protest urging passage of gun-control measures.
In separate votes on Thursday, the GOP supermajority expelled Justin Jones and Justin Pearson, a move leaving about 140,000 voters in primarily Black districts in Nashville and Memphis with no representation in the Tennessee House.
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The removal of the lawmakers, who were only recently elected, reflects a trend in dozens of states where Republicans are trying to make it harder to cast ballots and challenging the integrity of the election process.
At least 177 bills restricting voting or creating systems that can intimidate voters or permit partisan interference were filed or introduced in dozens of states so far this year, according to the Brennan Center.
“It represents a really slow erosion of our democracy,” said Neha Patel, co-executive director of the State Innovation Exchange, a strategy center for state legislators working toward progressive policies.
Patel called the expulsions “the third prong of a long-range strategy.” She said it was once “unprecedented” for states to make it harder for people to vote, but the practice has become “commonplace.”
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National Urban League President Marc Morial said the issue was about race, but “it’s not only about race. It’s about basic American values.”They're really going to try and challenge that a legislature can determine its own rules? :girlaff
Referring to the right to vote, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly, he said, “It appears as though the Tennessee Legislature needs a refresher on the American Constitution.”
The president of the Congressional Black Caucus, Nevada Rep. Steven Horsford, called for the Tennessee lawmakers to be returned to their seats and for Attorney General Merrick Garland to look into potential violations of the Voting Rights Act.
NAACP President and CEO Derrick Johnson said the civil rights organization was prepared to take legal action "to ensure that this heinous attempt to silence the voice of the people is addressed in a court of law.”
Marc should check this out:
Quote from: https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-1/section-5/
Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.
Post by: Nintex on April 09, 2023, 06:00:45 AM
https://twitter.com/shannonsharpeee/status/1644895249721090049 (https://twitter.com/shannonsharpeee/status/1644895249721090049)
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1644896138841997319 (https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1644896138841997319)
https://twitter.com/RealMattCouch/status/1644931934798196742 (https://twitter.com/RealMattCouch/status/1644931934798196742)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtPUgQ0WIAEOhrK?format=jpg)
Post by: Nintex on April 10, 2023, 12:52:25 PM
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1645424629886877697 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1645424629886877697)
Post by: BIONIC on April 10, 2023, 12:56:31 PM
Post by: james on April 10, 2023, 01:23:42 PM
Wasn’t he supposed to be a “transition president” and not run for a second term? Or am I imagining shit?
He never claimed to be trans no
Post by: team filler on April 10, 2023, 02:04:27 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 10, 2023, 03:23:35 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 10, 2023, 03:41:36 PM
This fucking clown :lol
Post by: team filler on April 10, 2023, 05:45:18 PM
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1645493814553894912 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1645493814553894912)furry representation in the white house :reeeee
Post by: BIONIC on April 10, 2023, 05:56:27 PM
I engaged in sexual congress with the Easter Bunny.
:thinking
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2023, 09:03:40 PM
:hmm
Post by: Nintex on April 11, 2023, 01:17:34 PM
:wut
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 11, 2023, 01:57:54 PM
GG
Post by: Himu on April 11, 2023, 10:11:32 PM
gamers really are the most oppressed minority (tm)
Post by: Nintex on April 12, 2023, 03:22:52 AM
https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1645952830455308288 (https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1645952830455308288)
Post by: HardcoreRetro on April 12, 2023, 04:44:54 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/11/pentagon-leak-traced-to-video-game-chat-group-users-arguing-over-war-in-ukraine
gamers really are the most oppressed minority (tm)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-09gNDsPzQ
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2023, 10:51:53 AM
twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1645957062348750848Soft bigotry of low expectations. :ufup
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2023, 02:11:07 PM
Replies are quite angry at him for defying Trump.
Post by: Nintex on April 12, 2023, 02:43:21 PM
"Look Tucker.... *waves hands* Shady Tim is just another neocon RINO who frankly in my humble opinion is actually more white than Obamna"
"I was the first black Republican President, that's not me saying it, but many people are saying it including some top of the line people who also happen to be black"
"The first Black Republican President?"
"Just think about it, Trump was arrested for no reason, no reason at all. Trump had many many hoes, more hoes than you could count, Trump ignored some of his children and Trump had a number 1 rap song on itunes"
"Maybe he wants to be my Vice President but that's not how Trump rolls. I don't think we can trust this guy he seems very shady to me there's something going on"
"Also I'm the only one talking about the N-Word and Shady Tim won't say it"
"The what-word?"
"The Nuclear Word, The Nuclear Word Tucker. I'm the only one who is allowed to say it apparently. You want Shady Tim to lead us into World War 3?"
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 12, 2023, 09:51:33 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/whstancil/status/1646253409526267904
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2023, 09:59:41 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 12, 2023, 10:00:02 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 13, 2023, 02:30:53 AM
When are you going to talk about the n-words tucker :hmph
Post by: Nintex on April 13, 2023, 02:35:15 AM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1646328766522699778 (https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1646328766522699778)
And that's why you never disclose your sources :smug
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 13, 2023, 09:34:18 AM
Post by: Maiden Voyage on April 13, 2023, 10:12:33 AM
Nothing in the rules says a dead lady can't be senator. :idont
Weekend at Bernie's reboot with a female protagonist.
:money
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 13, 2023, 10:46:21 AM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 13, 2023, 11:47:13 AM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1646496744291676162
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 13, 2023, 11:52:36 AM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 13, 2023, 01:00:27 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 13, 2023, 01:43:27 PM
LEAKY JOE
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1646398460977979393 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1646398460977979393)
Post by: Nintex on April 13, 2023, 03:00:51 PM
Post by: Potato on April 13, 2023, 04:16:50 PM
o shit they found the Shosta discordThe tweet said "mutual love of guns, military gear and god", not "haircare products, Che Guevara hats and champagne socialism" though...
Post by: Himu on April 13, 2023, 05:32:59 PM
o shit they found the Shosta discordThe tweet said "mutual love of guns, military gear and god"
I swear I was not involved.
Post by: Nintex on April 13, 2023, 06:21:04 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
In Minecraft
[close]
Oh shit, that was the whole problem :existential
https://twitter.com/bikinimowing/status/1646608689342697472 (https://twitter.com/bikinimowing/status/1646608689342697472)
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2023, 10:45:10 PM
Luckily Queens stick together.:wut
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1646496744291676162
But in the replies: :ohyeah
https://twitter.com/Marty_Shannon/status/1646556574046101504
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2023, 02:36:44 AM
Look at this man. There goes your chances. I won't vote for you in a primary. Team Haley.
Post by: Sman on April 14, 2023, 12:13:58 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ron-desantis-signs-6-week-abortion-ban-law-florida-rcna78989
Look at this man. There goes your chances. I won't vote for you in a primary. Team Haley.
Don't you Republicans want pro-life politicians in power to push a pro-life agenda?
:confused
Or is it a case of the "dog catching the car"?
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2023, 05:07:39 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ron-desantis-signs-6-week-abortion-ban-law-florida-rcna78989
Look at this man. There goes your chances. I won't vote for you in a primary. Team Haley.
Don't you Republicans want pro-life politicians in power to push a pro-life agenda?
:confused
Or is it a case of the "dog catching the car"?
Not everyone votes or thinks the same. Just like not all Democrats want to turn the country into a socialist state even if many do. A Republican in the south has different priorities than a Republican in the Midwest or a Republican in New York and lumping them all together is pretty foolish.
Post by: Nintex on April 14, 2023, 05:22:27 PM
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2023, 05:53:48 PM
For a while, especially during the pandemic it seemed DeSantis had great political acumen. It's pretty telling he signed this in the dark of the night without his usual fanfare. He knows it's unpopular even within his own party.
There's zero chance of him ever winning a GE at this point. I'd say raise a glass but I can't because it's Ramadan.
Furthermore, this makes it hard to take any Republican seriously on this issue especially if they say "all we want is 15 weeks!" Why trust them? Florida had a 15 week limitation which is perfectly fine and something most Americans support but now they've implemented this regressive 6 week stuff. It stands to reason that any elected Republican official wants a total ban on abortion regardless of circumstances. When I say,"15-20 weeks is fine to me" I'm saying it with a serious face, as it's what I believe and what I think most Americans believe. But these elected officials want to cater to Catholics and Evangelicals in lieu of everyone else. Abortion is GOP's slippery slope issue that the Democrats suffer with in relation to guns. You should never trust a Republican when they talk about abortion the same way you shouldn't trust a Democrat when they talk about firearms. On both issues I'm fairly libertarian and neither party is helping the case for the other. SAD.
Strategically if I were Democratic I'd want DeSantis to run for President. They'd sweep him. He has no chance after this.
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2023, 06:04:15 PM
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It is the same for me. I used to be for a fifteen week limit with medical exception determined by a physician, similar to what most of Europe has. It seemed like a solid compromise.
But now? I am for unfettered abortion access. Why? Because Republicans have shown that they will expand and abuse any restrictions.
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Republicans have turned me into an extremist on abortion, and I hate it.
I used to be one of those “yeah maybe we can decide on a point in pregnancy to ban it except in extreme medical cases” sort of people. Now? Now I don’t want to hear a single fucking thing about abortion from republicans. I don’t want any laws because they’ve shown they can’t control themselves.
I’d much rather leave the decision entirely up to individual women and their physicians than continue this march toward theocratic authoritarianism.
Republicans went from "Europe has more conservative abortion restrictions than us!" (which was true) to "let's ban abortion to six weeks" pretty quickly. All that will happen is Republican districts will turn further blue. The only positive here is that it will force the Democratic Party to moderate to normie Americans that like God, guns, and liberty rather than Champagne Communists in California and New York.
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2023, 06:35:17 PM
:dead
Post by: Nintex on April 14, 2023, 07:58:20 PM
Mike Pompeo throws in the towel
https://twitter.com/mikepompeo/status/1647001366441897985 (https://twitter.com/mikepompeo/status/1647001366441897985)
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 14, 2023, 09:30:48 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 14, 2023, 10:59:41 PM
*cough* *taps mic*
LEAKY JOE
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1646398460977979393 (https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1646398460977979393)
Like he needs any protection in Ireland.
https://mobile.twitter.com/rtenews/status/1646980726469033986
:biden
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2023, 12:01:36 AM
Post by: Nintex on April 15, 2023, 03:36:14 AM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 15, 2023, 07:07:29 AM
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2023, 07:34:03 AM
I fucking hate that song :rage
Biden with the Heel Heat. :jeb
Post by: Nintex on April 15, 2023, 07:35:54 AM
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1646955579246628867 (https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1646955579246628867)
Trump's latest campaign strategy is very interesting.
Why does he keep bringing up the n-word :doge
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1646983304959098881 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1646983304959098881)
Post by: Sman on April 15, 2023, 08:53:27 AM
Trump's latest campaign strategy is very interesting.
Why does he keep bringing up the n-word :doge
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1646983304959098881 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1646983304959098881)
:comeon
Well, we know it can't be because he's racist. As he said many times, he loves the blacks, he has good relations with the blacks, did more for the blacks than any other president since Lincoln. Maybe even better than Lincoln as a matter of a fact. The blacks never had it better.
Post by: BIONIC on April 15, 2023, 12:07:26 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 15, 2023, 02:26:38 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 16, 2023, 04:19:05 PM
https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1647649715956088835 (https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1647649715956088835)
https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1647398230651555840 (https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1647398230651555840)
Post by: Nintex on April 16, 2023, 06:38:30 PM
The DeSantis campaign is falling apart because they don't know what do against Trump trashing Ron DeSanctimonious :lol
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1647734560602439680 (https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1647734560602439680)
Post by: team filler on April 16, 2023, 07:57:50 PM
you don't deserve the nomination if you can't overcome that tbh :karen
Post by: benjipwns on April 16, 2023, 11:14:35 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 17, 2023, 02:19:50 AM
:dead
Post by: Potato on April 17, 2023, 03:13:07 AM
guy is getting taken down by a stupid ass nickname :muellerTrump is unbeatable as a Republican.
you don't deserve the nomination if you can't overcome that tbh :karen
Most Republicans try to smear their competition as a bigger piece of shit than they are, but Trump has just flat out admitted he's the biggest piece of shit going and uses that as his armour.
De Santis either has to prove he's a bigger piece of shit or prove that he's really really clean...and as evidence shows, every politician has some skeletons in the closet.
Trump wins because no one expects him to tell the truth and he can just lie his arse off about everything. De Santis is still playing the pre-Trump game where he thinks he needs to look and sound honest, but no one believes him because Trump killed truth in republican politics.
Post by: james on April 17, 2023, 12:16:31 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 17, 2023, 12:41:53 PM
I think the folks running his campaign and PACs thought that Trump wouldn't attack him before he actually announced his candidacy.
They probably didn't think Trump would burn down the party he leads. :lol
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 17, 2023, 02:20:42 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 17, 2023, 03:12:01 PM
:dead
Post by: james on April 17, 2023, 04:52:26 PM
https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1648026562422272006
Post by: Nintex on April 17, 2023, 07:02:22 PM
We need to arrest the groomersRead the article, what a rollercoaster :crazy
https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1648026562422272006
Especially the part where the guy figured he'd play along because it was just part of how to make it in politics :dead
Post by: benjipwns on April 17, 2023, 08:41:05 PM
I probably would not choose to follow this legal advice.
Post by: Potato on April 17, 2023, 09:11:07 PM
It would help if he actually announced.They had four years to learn that Trump doesn't give a shit about the party. He will see it all burn if it means he gets to sit in the oval Office again and enrich his family while doing it.
I think the folks running his campaign and PACs thought that Trump wouldn't attack him before he actually announced his candidacy.
They probably didn't think Trump would burn down the party he leads. :lol
Post by: Nintex on April 18, 2023, 07:09:50 AM
*the woke disaster of a movie wonder woman 3
Post by: Nintex on April 18, 2023, 01:16:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ft96rJEWwAEL0zh?format=jpg)
Post by: james on April 18, 2023, 04:17:37 PM
https://twitter.com/Bruno_J_Navarro/status/1648368333128081409
Post by: Nintex on April 18, 2023, 04:24:29 PM
Post by: Potato on April 18, 2023, 04:27:15 PM
lmao, Trump is truely in rare form these days :lolStill amazes me that Trump, the most brilliant genius in the world, somehow hired all of these dumbest born losers in the world to his staff.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ft96rJEWwAEL0zh?format=jpg)
Post by: Nintex on April 18, 2023, 07:04:34 PM
:trumps
Post by: benjipwns on April 18, 2023, 11:48:12 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2023, 03:04:28 AM
gasp :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry
Post by: team filler on April 19, 2023, 06:08:43 AM
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 19, 2023, 09:52:40 AM
https://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes/status/1648470822946996224
The legal precedent of settling out of court. :info
Post by: Propagandhim on April 19, 2023, 12:29:45 PM
:dead
Post by: Nintex on April 19, 2023, 04:33:04 PM
https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1648465597263654912 (https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1648465597263654912)
Post by: james on April 19, 2023, 04:46:41 PM
Donald Trump Comes out in Support of Disney, Slams Ron DeSantis for Fighting Back
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/04/18/donald-trump-comes-out-in-support-of-disney-slams-ron-desantis-for-fighting-back-n732979
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2023, 04:46:50 PM
Trump has a new policy just for you Himu :)I'm pretty sure they already make tent cities on publicly owned land.
twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1648465597263654912
Post by: Nintex on April 19, 2023, 06:14:28 PM
Didnt one of you say this would happen
Donald Trump Comes out in Support of Disney, Slams Ron DeSantis for Fighting Back
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/04/18/donald-trump-comes-out-in-support-of-disney-slams-ron-desantis-for-fighting-back-n732979
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Trump taking Disney’s side in its battle against DeSantis happened just days after Donald Trump Jr. urged conservatives to end an ongoing boycott against Bud Light. In both cases, it appears the Trumps are more worried about donor money than winning important cultural battles. That’s not exactly comforting given Trump is running on fighting and cleaning up Washington, DC. If he can’t stand firm against a company as blatantly woke as Disney, then that calls into question his resolve to face down any serious cultural challenge. If you aren’t even willing to face down Disney, you aren’t going to defeat the deep state.
"Look he wants to kill Mickey Mouse kids, can you imagine. Mickey Mouse DEAD and Disney Land losing all that wonderful magic. Daddy where is Mickey Mouse? He's dead son. The great and wonderful Goofy? Cancelled? No, beheaded by President DeSantis. Explain that one to your kids Ron! Trump would protect Disney. I'd call Disney, I'd get it sorted real quick. I'd just call Bob Disney who used to be a great friend of mine before I got into politics. I'd tell him to bring back The Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and all the other great stories about a prince and princess or Ron's wife and the Milk Man"
*Ron DeSantis lunges towards Trump's lectern on the debate stage*
:trumps
Post by: Nintex on April 19, 2023, 06:55:11 PM
Post by: Himu on April 19, 2023, 09:31:04 PM
I speak here as a pro-gun rights absolutist. Historically gun control laws have been used to limit black and Native America populations from self defense. They have historically racist and they're hard to support. Black people that fight for gun control are fools in my eyes. I don't think the AR-15 should be banned. I don't think any type of gun should be, in fact. But after this week I think we need licenses.
Shootings are one thing. They're committed by criminals with zero regard for rule of law or human ethics and you can never solve crime by just making things illegal. The alcohol prohibition and drug war prove that case. But this isn't about crime. It's about complete and utter firearm neglect.
People are acting like it's the wild west with little regulation is another thing entirely from just a mass shooting. Yeah "it's illegal to shoot without just cause" but why does an 84 year old man that lives by himself not have any testing of his mental capacity for owning a firearm? People regularly say elderly people should be retested for drivers licenses.
How in the heck do they not have the same energy for guns?
Without forced training the result is simply people that have no business with guns that don't respect the five rules or human life doing whatever they want with them. I shot my first gun when I was 8 years old in the Cub Scouts and I've always respected them because of that experience. Thinking you have the right to shoot just because someone rung the doorbell and is black and male or because a lady drove into your drive way is the opposite of respect for human life and gun ownership.
Requiring testing or at the very least having gun safety classes or something with something as ubiquitous as a deadly weapon would solve so much.
If we come to consider that abortion should be legal....to a point there's absolutely no reason to allow utter unhinged access to firearms.
License them.
https://archive.is/q2GWK
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2023, 09:57:18 PM
Post by: Himu on April 19, 2023, 10:21:59 PM
1. Teach children gun safety (including how to shoot and the five rules) at a young age
or
2. License them.
With a country that has more guns than people those are our choices. I want the first one to happen because it will normalize healthy gun use. Guns are a tool, nothing more.
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2023, 10:33:00 PM
You keep asking how the progressives win and it's because you "conservatives" accept all their false choices about how the state needs more unchecked power rather than conserving either human or constitutional rights. Next you're going to be saying I have to choose a license to make toast in my own damn toaster.
Post by: Nintex on April 20, 2023, 04:19:50 AM
Just sayin' but who knows :trumps
Post by: Himu on April 20, 2023, 07:08:05 AM
Nah, those aren't our "only" options. We can just protect people's rights rather than have them stripped arbitrarily by unaccountable bureaucrats as part of some religious central plan.
You keep asking how the progressives win and it's because you "conservatives" accept all their false choices about how the state needs more unchecked power rather than conserving either human or constitutional rights. Next you're going to be saying I have to choose a license to make toast in my own damn toaster.
Licenses aren't inherently bad. Your real problem isn't worth conservatives. It's with progressives that don't know when to stop or knowingly don't want to stop.
Post by: benjipwns on April 20, 2023, 08:02:37 AM
Even if I grant your proposition that "conservatives" know when to stop, like when the W. Bush administration argued that it could suspend constitutional rights whenever it wanted to, the rest of your proposition argues against allowing it because there's no check on when the "progressives" take power and build on that like the Obama administration did when it argued that could murder any American citizen without trial whenever it wanted to.
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 20, 2023, 09:19:35 AM
Post by: benjipwns on April 20, 2023, 09:21:52 AM
What next, a license to make toast in your own damn toaster?I already got the license to use that joke! :bolo
Next you're going to be saying I have to choose a license to make toast in my own damn toaster.
Post by: james on April 20, 2023, 11:07:31 AM
Post by: Himu on April 20, 2023, 03:04:07 PM
Having to acquire government permission before you're allowed to have rights that protect you from the same government is pretty inherently bad. You're arguing that you know when to stop when you're arguing for eliminating every constitutional right. :lol
Even if I grant your proposition that "conservatives" know when to stop, like when the W. Bush administration argued that it could suspend constitutional rights whenever it wanted to, the rest of your proposition argues against allowing it because there's no check on when the "progressives" take power and build on that like the Obama administration did when it argued that could murder any American citizen without trial whenever it wanted to.
What is your solution then? Offer a viable solution in its place rather than talk up "limiting a constitutional right". An 84 year old man had a gun, shot with zero provocation, shot him in the head when he was down to make sure he was dead. How do you answer for abating situations like this which are complete neglect without some form of gun education to the populace? Is your argument against complete prevention and one exclusively for prosecution?
Post by: Himu on April 20, 2023, 04:32:33 PM
I guess that's the cost of freedom and something I have to deal with but please check up on grandpa that lives by himself.
Post by: Himu on April 20, 2023, 05:55:12 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/kaylin-gillis-driveway-shooting-death-father-says-he-hopes-suspect-dies-jail
"Whosoever kills a person...it shall be as if he has killed all mankind."
Post by: Himu on April 20, 2023, 05:57:09 PM
Oh no. The next holocaust.
Post by: Nintex on April 20, 2023, 06:26:33 PM
:trumps
Post by: james on April 20, 2023, 08:45:40 PM
Post by: Himu on April 20, 2023, 09:51:57 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cq28AgSuye5/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Post by: benjipwns on April 20, 2023, 10:01:42 PM
twitter.com/JonSchweppe/status/1649119229998661654This dummy realizes that Trump was openly pro-choice before 2014 or so, right? And that, like, he's a guy who constantly lies to try and make people like him?
:trumps
Post by: benjipwns on April 20, 2023, 10:03:30 PM
What is your solution then? Offer a viable solution in its place rather than talk up "limiting a constitutional right". An 84 year old man had a gun, shot with zero provocation, shot him in the head when he was down to make sure he was dead. How do you answer for abating situations like this which are complete neglect without some form of gun education to the populace? Is your argument against complete prevention and one exclusively for prosecution?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vidzkYnaf6Y
Post by: james on April 20, 2023, 10:05:22 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 20, 2023, 10:48:56 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 21, 2023, 02:10:40 AM
Corrupt af :lol
Post by: Nintex on April 21, 2023, 02:23:58 AM
https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1649046709488562179 (https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1649046709488562179)
:dead
Post by: Nintex on April 21, 2023, 02:03:11 PM
These guys asked all the important questions
https://twitter.com/DailyLoud/status/1649178573943586819 (https://twitter.com/DailyLoud/status/1649178573943586819)
Post by: benjipwns on April 21, 2023, 10:39:53 PM
:dead
Post by: Nintex on April 22, 2023, 04:39:34 AM
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1649578716786196485 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1649578716786196485)
Trump took a slice of Pizza and said
https://twitter.com/KateSullivanDC/status/1649586796815065088 (https://twitter.com/KateSullivanDC/status/1649586796815065088)
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2023, 08:30:45 PM
Quote from: https://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-legal-analyst-calls-for-us-government-to-step-in-and-regulate-fox-news-with-big-fine-over-big-lie/
MSNBC Legal Analyst Andrew Weissmann argued that the only way to deter media networks from “promulgating lies” — using Fox News Dominion lawsuit as an example — is for the US government to step in and regulate this conduct.:era
...
Weissman, who served in the Department of Justice and took a senior role in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into former President Donald Trump, has long been a critic of Fox News and was on Morning Joe Friday morning for his legal expertise on the First Amendment and the current state of opinion media.
...
“You really need to be thinking about, okay, what is the business model for the National Enquirer? What is the business model for Fox News and the next media company that’s going to pretend to be giving news but is actually going to be promulgating lies? Is there going to be some regulatory damage that’s going to deter that?” he continued.
“So we don’t have a repetition because it’s really easy to just simply avoid denigrating a company so you won’t get sued but still promulgate a big lie. And so you need to have the government step in to have some kind of regulation of that kind of conduct.”
Post by: team filler on April 22, 2023, 11:42:00 PM
Post by: Himu on April 23, 2023, 12:27:00 PM
The last supper remastered
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1649578716786196485 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1649578716786196485)
Trump took a slice of Pizza and said
https://twitter.com/KateSullivanDC/status/1649586796815065088 (https://twitter.com/KateSullivanDC/status/1649586796815065088)
https://twitter.com/aroc725/status/1649602067269398530
What a caveman.
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 23, 2023, 01:10:06 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 23, 2023, 01:34:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnqGvi-U49UConsidering how crazy expensive everything is I'm not surprised more children are working these days.
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2023, 10:26:38 PM
:american
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 23, 2023, 11:07:31 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2023, 12:44:01 AM
Quote from: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/04/23/aoc_tucker_carlsons_show_is_very_clearly_incitment_of_violence.html
REP. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ: Well, this was a corporation suing another corporation for material damages. Their job is to go in and get the most money that they can, and I think that they did that. They are not lawyers for the American public and I think what is best for the country, what would have been best for the country, would have been to demand that, and not settle until we got that.:juche
But that is not their role, and so for us, I think this raises much larger questions. Very often, I believe that we leave it to the courts to solve issues that politics is really supposed to solve, that legislating is supposed to solve.
We have very real issues with what is permissible on air, and we saw that with January 6th and we saw that in the lead up to January 6th, and how we navigate questions, not just a freedom of speech but also accountability for incitement of violence. This is the role we have to really explore through law as well.
PSAKI: Do you think media organizations of social media platforms should be accountable for being platforms for incitement?
OCASIO-CORTEZ: I believe that when it comes to broadcast television, like FOX News, these are subject to federal law and regulation in terms of what's allowed on air and what isn't. And when you look at what Tucker Carlson and some of these other folks on Fox do, it is very, very clearly incitement of violence. Very clearly. And that is the line that I think we have to be willing to contend with.
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:stahp
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Post by: team filler on April 24, 2023, 12:51:38 AM
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2023, 12:56:26 AM
Post by: Potato on April 24, 2023, 03:11:32 AM
has aoc considered what happens once the government is given control over the media the way she seems to want and then the republican party gets control of the white house, senate and house. or just enough control to appoint whoever they want and now they are the ones with full control over the media? :snoopWhy does anyone think it's only the Republicans that would abuse control of the media?
Post by: team filler on April 24, 2023, 03:18:45 AM
it's like everyone forgot it was the democrats who also signed off on giving a republican president the power to send us to war endlessly. then the following democrat president couldn't use the power to end any of the wars because it would be too costly to his own party. then you end up with someone like donald trump deciding wars and funny enough he ended one of them :doge but probably still not a good idea to have the winner of the white house deciding wars and then being gone before the wars would even finish
Post by: james on April 24, 2023, 10:53:47 AM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 24, 2023, 11:52:18 AM
https://twitter.com/dylanbyers/status/1650522061721182210
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 24, 2023, 12:02:06 PM
Post by: james on April 24, 2023, 12:28:36 PM
Nintex on suicide watch.
https://twitter.com/dylanbyers/status/1650522061721182210
:tauntaun :neogaf :gladbron :heh :rejoice :miyamoto :oreilly :delicious :point :ohyou :woody :playa :salute :ahnuld2 :girlaff :crowdlaff :woken :mueller
Post by: james on April 24, 2023, 01:00:22 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1650525732819423234
:woken :woken :woken :taylor
Post by: Nintex on April 24, 2023, 01:23:43 PM
Oh, I see James already posted the end of the DeSantis campaign.
Don Lemon out at CNN too. What a day.
https://twitter.com/donlemon/status/1650533617636966400 (https://twitter.com/donlemon/status/1650533617636966400)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FufrxXgXsBMa5jU?format=jpg)
Oh well, now Tucker has time for other things. Vice President? White House press secretary?
Post by: james on April 24, 2023, 01:37:14 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 24, 2023, 01:40:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FufZnvGX0AAyoNk?format=jpg)
Post by: Uncle on April 24, 2023, 02:38:56 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 24, 2023, 03:25:06 PM
Why is Meatball Ron in Japan
Disneyland Tokyo.
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2023, 04:52:39 PM
Why does anyone think it's only the Republicans that would abuse control of the media?What part of Republicans are fascists while Democrats represent the people, science, truth and democracy is so hard for you fascists to understand?
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2023, 06:38:14 PM
https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1650608985794289664
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 24, 2023, 08:50:55 PM
:american
Post by: Himu on April 24, 2023, 09:46:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnqGvi-U49U
Let's see if the KIDS IN CAGES people will have the same energy for Biden. Likely not.
I'll say this about leftists, though. They're consistent on this issue and label both the Republicans and Democratic Party immoral on this issue. Correctly, I may add. I may disagree with leftists on a lot but really respect their commitment to speaking truth to power, just as they're only people in the room that haven't white washed Bush and the Iraq War. I disagree with their policies these days but still respect that the only people in the room holding others accountable. I love that about them and why I was always so attracted to left politics.
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2023, 10:08:44 PM
I may disagree with leftists on a lot but really respect their commitment to speaking truth to power, just as they're only people in the room that haven't white washed Bush and the Iraq War. I disagree with their policies these days but still respect that the only people in the room holding others accountable.:wut
Post by: Himu on April 24, 2023, 10:09:34 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2023, 10:27:55 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 25, 2023, 03:04:03 AM
Now that's a take :lol
Post by: james on April 25, 2023, 10:21:38 AM
It probably hinges on who you're referring to when you say "leftists" because my experience is that the self-declared rarely do anything but praise and excuse power.
Find me a single leftist that praises Bush
Post by: Nintex on April 25, 2023, 12:20:42 PM
Michelle ObamaIt probably hinges on who you're referring to when you say "leftists" because my experience is that the self-declared rarely do anything but praise and excuse power.
Find me a single leftist that praises Bush
Post by: Nintex on April 25, 2023, 12:38:12 PM
https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1650885605985771520 (https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1650885605985771520)
:biden :trumps
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 25, 2023, 12:42:31 PM
Michelle ObamaIt probably hinges on who you're referring to when you say "leftists" because my experience is that the self-declared rarely do anything but praise and excuse power.
Find me a single leftist that praises Bush
:dead
We've used up our monthly good nintex post.
Post by: Nintex on April 25, 2023, 01:00:04 PM
So many things happening
Post by: james on April 25, 2023, 01:30:07 PM
Post by: james on April 25, 2023, 01:48:02 PM
I hope he remains unemployed and dies in poverty
Post by: jorma on April 25, 2023, 04:24:25 PM
Michelle ObamaIt probably hinges on who you're referring to when you say "leftists" because my experience is that the self-declared rarely do anything but praise and excuse power.
Find me a single leftist that praises Bush
"leftist" ::)
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2023, 10:38:15 PM
If our standard for leftism is merely not praising the Bushes then this probably makes Trump the paragon leftist.It probably hinges on who you're referring to when you say "leftists" because my experience is that the self-declared rarely do anything but praise and excuse power.
Find me a single leftist that praises Bush
Post by: Himu on April 26, 2023, 03:42:30 AM
What a great candidate.
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2023, 05:30:09 AM
What a great candidate.Gotta read the fine print, my man:
Quote from: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3970436-haley-calls-for-national-consensus-on-abortion/
“We have to face this reality,” Haley told reporters. “The pro-life laws that have passed in strongly Republican states will not be approved at the federal level. That’s just a fact notwithstanding what the Democrat fearmongers say.”That's an extreme super-far-right anti-woman fascist position, not anywhere near the pro-woman national consensus that includes what "opponents call partial-birth abortion", a permanent repeal of the anti-woman Hyde Amendment and free access to abortion for trans women.
“They say Republicans are about to ban all abortions nationwide and send women to prison. These wildly false claims amplified by a sympathetic media are not designed to do anything other than score political points,” she said.
Haley also called on Republican candidates to take a firmer stance on abortion, while painting Democratic candidates as extreme on the issue.
“Pro-life political leaders and candidates should not put up with being demonized. We should call out the extremism on the left,” she said.
During the address, Haley invoked her husband’s experience of being adopted and her own experience initially having issues becoming pregnant with her children as apart of her anti-abortion beliefs.
“My goal as president will be the same as it was when I was governor and ambassador — to save as many lives, and help as many moms, as possible,” she said.
...
SBA Pro-Life America praised Haley’s speech on Tuesday, referencing in a statement “Haley’s commitment to acting on the American consensus against late-term abortion by protecting unborn children by at least 15 weeks when they can feel excruciating pain.”
However, Haley did not state a specific limit on abortion restrictions in her address. When asked for clarification following the speech, an SBA spokespersons told The Hill they were “assured she would set national consensus at 15 weeks.”
When asked for comment, a Haley campaign official said the ambassador was “very clear in her speech.”
“She believes there is a federal role to play in protecting as many babies and helping as many moms as possible,” the official said.
Post by: james on April 26, 2023, 12:47:53 PM
RIP in peace meatball ron, you're done
Post by: Nintex on April 26, 2023, 01:55:15 PM
:trumps
Post by: jorma on April 26, 2023, 03:25:35 PM
Disney is suing DeSantis
RIP in peace meatball ron, you're done
may or may not have aged like milk :lol
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2023, 04:52:38 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 26, 2023, 08:12:22 PM
What a great candidate.https://twitter.com/NikkiHaley/status/1651297354228563981 (https://twitter.com/NikkiHaley/status/1651297354228563981)
Best part about the DeSantis/Disney feud is all the match up pictures with Mickey and Ron used in the news stories.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fup4AIBXwAgPyX6?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuqYg3IWAB8WQnw?format=jpg)
Post by: Himu on April 26, 2023, 08:53:46 PM
Quote
> On Wednesday, Montana house Republicans barred transgender lawmaker Zooey Zephyr from the house floor for the rest of the 2023 session
> The lawmaker will still be able to vote remotely under the terms of the punishment but is unable to discuss proposals and amendments under consideration with other Montana lawmakers.
> The feud spilled over into this week’s house sessions when Zephyr, not recognized to speak on another transgender proposal, hoisted a microphone in the air and encouraged protesters in the gallery to disrupt proceedings.
Didn't support this until I read about their awful behavior.
Post by: Himu on April 26, 2023, 11:33:23 PM
https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1650997692099854338
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 26, 2023, 11:50:54 PM
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2023, 11:57:24 PM
https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1651193941843140615
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1651379940829327361
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twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1651376097349578753https://twitter.com/3YearLetterman/status/1651381040601022467
Post by: Nintex on April 27, 2023, 06:29:28 AM
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1651530020530053121 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1651530020530053121)
Trump is dropping some epic ads already :whew
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1651439804368732160 (https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1651439804368732160)
Post by: Himu on April 27, 2023, 08:50:41 AM
laughed at my laptop
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on April 27, 2023, 09:17:29 AM
Post by: Himu on April 27, 2023, 09:36:35 AM
Post by: Nintex on April 27, 2023, 12:25:27 PM
ONE MAN, ONE MOMENT :lawd
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 27, 2023, 12:30:30 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 27, 2023, 01:03:21 PM
Sounds like Trump, he was even complaining about the length of the Wonderful Diamond, of Diamond and Silk's funeral during his eulogy at said funeral :trumpsThat eulogy was amazing, I don't think anyone posted the whole thing. There's only bits and pieces with soy commentary on YouTube.
This has some highlights with decent commentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOqs1Z0ZSbg
Post by: Propagandhim on April 27, 2023, 02:27:47 PM
:dead
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 27, 2023, 02:55:51 PM
Post by: Nintex on April 27, 2023, 03:10:53 PM
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1651662405569486858 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1651662405569486858)
https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1651632784056754198 (https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1651632784056754198)
Post by: Himu on April 27, 2023, 04:29:09 PM
I think Republicans underestimate how well these uncle Joe moments work vs. ALL CAPS TRUTHS though :lol
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1651662405569486858 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1651662405569486858)
Who wouldn't want to vote for this guy after such a statement?
Post by: james on April 27, 2023, 04:56:15 PM
I think Republicans underestimate how well these uncle Joe moments work vs. ALL CAPS TRUTHS though :lol
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1651662405569486858 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1651662405569486858)
Who wouldn't want to vote for this guy after such a statement?
I mean if you dont like ice cream and sunglasses you should lose your ability to vote
Post by: Nintex on April 27, 2023, 05:04:11 PM
https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1651689125408284672 (https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1651689125408284672)
https://twitter.com/CitizenLenz/status/1651687321098682368 (https://twitter.com/CitizenLenz/status/1651687321098682368)
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 27, 2023, 05:10:02 PM
Post by: Himu on April 27, 2023, 06:11:04 PM
The Republican Party platform of low taxes and gun support and government its finger out of your eye won't take front and center until this man disappears to his Napoleon island. No matter what Party you identify with Trump is toxic for national discourse and needs to go. He isn't worth voting for just because he's R on the ticket.
And let's be honest, although Biden has had severe issues (immigration) he has mostly handled this presidency pretty well considering no matter who was president, due to 2020, we would all be in for a rough time.
Post by: Nintex on April 27, 2023, 06:38:24 PM
Wth :lol
"Did anyone ever hear of Leneen?" :dead
Post by: Himu on April 27, 2023, 07:14:28 PM
https://yashar.substack.com/p/exclusive-video-reveals-steven-crowder
Post by: Transhuman on April 27, 2023, 08:15:08 PM
Quote
In Texas, the courts presume that all property and income that either spouse obtained during the course of the marriage belongs equally to both spouses
:preach
Even Steven baby!
Post by: Himu on April 27, 2023, 11:24:52 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-voters-favor-gun-limits-arming-citizens-reduce-gun-violence
Post by: Sman on April 27, 2023, 11:38:52 PM
Holy shit
https://yashar.substack.com/p/exclusive-video-reveals-steven-crowder
Not always louder with Crowder.
:beli
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2023, 11:42:34 PM
Good.Cops want more minority criminals, film at 11.
https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-voters-favor-gun-limits-arming-citizens-reduce-gun-violence
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:riot
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Post by: team filler on April 27, 2023, 11:54:41 PM
Holy shitcrowder is a dick, but this also seems like she set his ass up to get it all on camera and with audio. it's just too perfect how it went down right in front of a camera :thinking
https://yashar.substack.com/p/exclusive-video-reveals-steven-crowder
reminds of when mel gibson got recorded by his wife. it was clear she knew how to get him riled up and used that to record him over the phone. then used it against him.
thing is, being set up like this only works if you lose control easy. crowder needs some zen :pimp
Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2023, 12:08:37 AM
For james (who's been posting it in Culture War) and Himu, we've been "discussing" it some in the Wank Dad thread, Transhuman did a good analysis of Crowder's "statement" there. I don't know where we should want to organize our Crowder posting to.
Post by: james on April 28, 2023, 12:15:00 AM
It looks like it's on their security camera, though she may have set him up in front of it, it may have just been opportunistically caught. It's not really too surprising because Crowder has rarely reacted well to pushback from anyone, which is probably why he prefers soft targets.
For james (who's been posting it in Culture War) and Himu, we've been "discussing" it some in the Wank Dad thread, Transhuman did a good analysis of Crowder's "statement" there. I don't know where we should want to organize our Crowder posting to.
Wtf is the wank dad thread
Post by: BIONIC on April 28, 2023, 12:22:02 AM
Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2023, 12:33:37 AM
Wtf is the wank dad threadIt's like the conspiracy theory thread, only with people who are also running various scams.
Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2023, 12:57:15 AM
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Post by: Potato on April 28, 2023, 02:13:38 AM
He basically said he does that shit all the time in the first campaign with the "grab 'em by the pussy" comment and no one cared.
Post by: Nintex on April 28, 2023, 03:16:53 AM
:trumps
Corpo media is vile
https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1651773745336295425 (https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1651773745336295425)
Post by: Himu on April 28, 2023, 05:00:31 AM
Good.Cops want more minority criminals, film at 11.
https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-voters-favor-gun-limits-arming-citizens-reduce-gun-violencespoiler (click to show/hide):riot[close]
We should enforce our current laws first.
Post by: Himu on April 28, 2023, 05:01:16 AM
It looks like it's on their security camera, though she may have set him up in front of it, it may have just been opportunistically caught. It's not really too surprising because Crowder has rarely reacted well to pushback from anyone, which is probably why he prefers soft targets.
For james (who's been posting it in Culture War) and Himu, we've been "discussing" it some in the Wank Dad thread, Transhuman did a good analysis of Crowder's "statement" there. I don't know where we should want to organize our Crowder posting to.
Thanks! This story intersects so many things: politics, culture war, wank dad.
Post by: Nintex on April 28, 2023, 01:55:31 PM
“This creature softened my you know what. She wanted a divorce and cried like a dog.” :trumps
https://twitter.com/brenonade/status/1651701683271892992 (https://twitter.com/brenonade/status/1651701683271892992)
ONE MAN, ONE MOVEMENT
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 28, 2023, 02:29:17 PM
Post by: Potato on April 28, 2023, 04:01:40 PM
https://breaking911.com/breaking-autorites-to-release-nashville-shooters-manifesto-report/Why?
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 28, 2023, 04:06:21 PM
:biden
Post by: Nintex on April 28, 2023, 05:56:41 PM
:hesright
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 28, 2023, 07:22:26 PM
https://twitter.com/RealAmVoice/status/1652063939805556738
:nerds
Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2023, 08:52:55 PM
Can you believe these peoplehttps://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes/status/1652095671128952834
:trumps
Corpo media is vile
twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1651773745336295425
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2023, 02:40:10 AM
:whoo
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 29, 2023, 03:17:50 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hs1Z8kq.png)
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2023, 05:26:11 AM
https://twitter.com/DavidOAtkins/status/1651281537898516480
What
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2023, 05:49:00 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/kitRJTJ.png)
This guy is funny:
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https://twitter.com/DavidOAtkins/status/1651323559812419585
https://twitter.com/DavidOAtkins/status/1651429089306365953
https://twitter.com/DavidOAtkins/status/1651457564415242240
https://twitter.com/DavidOAtkins/status/1651281546098376704
https://twitter.com/DavidOAtkins/status/1651405244616806401
https://twitter.com/DavidOAtkins/status/1651429089306365953
https://twitter.com/DavidOAtkins/status/1651457564415242240
https://twitter.com/DavidOAtkins/status/1651281546098376704
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"Trump went full Paul Ryan" is an amazing delusional line.
BOOM. ROASTED:
https://twitter.com/feelsdesperate/status/1651604929583226880
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2023, 06:06:45 AM
Post by: Transhuman on April 29, 2023, 06:25:03 AM
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 29, 2023, 06:33:19 AM
Post by: Nintex on April 29, 2023, 06:40:01 PM
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“He had been to five different countries in five days and he definitely looked spent, but his message wasn’t presidential,” they told POLITICO. “He was horrendous.”
A second business figure who was in the room said it was a “low-wattage” performance and that “nobody in the room was left thinking, ‘this man’s going places’.”
Ron DeTedious :lol
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 29, 2023, 06:41:21 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 30, 2023, 03:18:46 AM
:rofl
Post by: Nintex on April 30, 2023, 04:51:30 AM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1652502203830075398 (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1652502203830075398)
:biden
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2023, 01:01:12 PM
:dead
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2023, 06:17:04 PM
:rejoice
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2023, 06:17:25 PM
https://twitter.com/maryderrickart/status/1653121439233351686
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https://twitter.com/bean_joyanna/status/1653136805821284352
https://twitter.com/PatiKRoll11/status/1653121192084254720
https://twitter.com/dudeonthebay/status/1653138877547159553
https://twitter.com/Longjacket2/status/1653140303820234775
https://twitter.com/hapkidogal/status/1653122115623583745
https://twitter.com/PatiKRoll11/status/1653121192084254720
https://twitter.com/dudeonthebay/status/1653138877547159553
https://twitter.com/Longjacket2/status/1653140303820234775
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Post by: BIONIC on May 01, 2023, 06:27:53 PM
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I’d rather be strapped to a chair, have the Magna Carta branded on my chubby white arse w/ a white hot poker, while acid is dripped on my toes
Some people would pay good money to see that :sicko
Post by: Uncle on May 01, 2023, 06:33:37 PM
so they agree with all the times Trump said shit like "failing CNN" :doge
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2023, 06:39:06 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 01, 2023, 06:54:28 PM
Post by: Potato on May 01, 2023, 07:55:07 PM
Post by: team filler on May 02, 2023, 02:39:41 AM
he was really up there talking to silk like it was the first time ever seeing her :lolSounds like Trump, he was even complaining about the length of the Wonderful Diamond, of Diamond and Silk's funeral during his eulogy at said funeral :trumpsThat eulogy was amazing, I don't think anyone posted the whole thing. There's only bits and pieces with soy commentary on YouTube.
This has some highlights with decent commentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOqs1Z0ZSbg
the beautiful diamond he knew very well, but somehow has no clue who silk is :trumps
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 02, 2023, 09:02:55 AM
Post by: Himu on May 02, 2023, 02:26:13 PM
Good Lord.
I voted for you to do something about this Abbott.
Post by: team filler on May 02, 2023, 02:32:45 PM
Post by: Himu on May 02, 2023, 02:45:29 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 02, 2023, 02:46:32 PM
:trumps
CNN is actually doing this. :lol
Post by: james on May 02, 2023, 02:53:24 PM
Good Lord.
I thought we were done hating people different from you?
Post by: Uncle on May 02, 2023, 03:49:29 PM
Good Lord.
I thought we were done hating people different from you?
that's disingenuous, it isn't hatred to recognize that there's a fundamental breakdown/disconnect there
if these people should be allowed into the US, then change the law so they are here legally
if they shouldn't be allowed into the US, then enforce those laws
it has nothing to do with the individuals, their cultures, beliefs etc.
you can also say "good lord" at all the gun violence in the US, and say if we want less shootings, either change the law so there are fewer/no guns, or enforce the existing laws in better ways
Post by: Nintex on May 02, 2023, 06:40:06 PM
We've offered an internship to a Syrian girl after request from the local government and while she is learning the language and everything you can't help but think that what she is able to learn (entry level HTML/CSS) is absolutely useless now that AI's exist. A lot of low level desk jobs simply won't exist anymore in 5 to 10 years time (perhaps even sooner). Learn to plumb?
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1653464633854836754 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1653464633854836754)
What is bro cooking?
Post by: james on May 02, 2023, 07:24:43 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1653431454800510977
Post by: team filler on May 02, 2023, 07:35:04 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2023, 09:21:05 PM
From personal experience the migrant problem is only going to get worse because apart from all the other problems in a few years time there will be very few jobs these folks can do to sustain themselves.Malthus was wrong.
We've offered an internship to a Syrian girl after request from the local government and while she is learning the language and everything you can't help but think that what she is able to learn (entry level HTML/CSS) is absolutely useless now that AI's exist. A lot of low level desk jobs simply won't exist anymore in 5 to 10 years time (perhaps even sooner). Learn to plumb?
Also, plumbing is a specialized field and potentially lucrative career.
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2023, 09:53:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HxVOqTi1qY
:jeanluc
Post by: Uncle on May 02, 2023, 09:53:45 PM
From personal experience the migrant problem is only going to get worse because apart from all the other problems in a few years time there will be very few jobs these folks can do to sustain themselves.Malthus was wrong.
We've offered an internship to a Syrian girl after request from the local government and while she is learning the language and everything you can't help but think that what she is able to learn (entry level HTML/CSS) is absolutely useless now that AI's exist. A lot of low level desk jobs simply won't exist anymore in 5 to 10 years time (perhaps even sooner). Learn to plumb?
Also, plumbing is a specialized field and potentially lucrative career.
(https://i.imgur.com/MRqkfro.png)
:trumps
Post by: james on May 02, 2023, 10:14:57 PM
https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1653497335471656987
Post by: who is ted danson? on May 03, 2023, 02:03:27 AM
Post by: Himu on May 03, 2023, 07:47:07 AM
Good Lord.
I thought we were done hating people different from you?
I don't hate them. I deeply empathize with their situations. But this isn't good for Texas and it's not good for them. We don't have the resources to endlessly supply them what they need. They are now in the streets of El Paso destitute in a foreign nation that doesn't share their language.
Post by: Himu on May 03, 2023, 07:49:22 AM
Himu do you live in Harris County?
https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1653497335471656987
I'm from there, yes.
Post by: james on May 03, 2023, 12:04:21 PM
Himu do you live in Harris County?
https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1653497335471656987
I'm from there, yes.
Do you think the GOP should be able to cancel results in one county because they don't like them?
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2023, 01:31:24 PM
Another Bernie win
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1653431454800510977
(https://i.imgur.com/bv8dBuZ.jpg)
Post by: Nintex on May 03, 2023, 02:34:10 PM
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1653823204731887617 (https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1653823204731887617)
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1653830220842139650 (https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1653830220842139650)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 03, 2023, 04:40:52 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 03, 2023, 10:02:07 PM
Do you think the GOP should be able to cancel results in one county because they don't like them?Look who suddenly dislikes socialism.
Post by: Uncle on May 04, 2023, 10:55:14 AM
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The Biden administration is planning to temporarily deploy 1,500 active-duty troops to the U.S.-Mexico border ahead of an expected surge in migrants.
The announcement comes as Title 42, a policy that allows for the rapid expulsion of migrants at the border and blocks them from seeking asylum, is set to expire May 11.
A U.S. official told The Hill the troops would be deployed for 90 days to assist with work including ground-based detection and monitoring, data entry, and warehouse support, but they would not be doing law enforcement work.
The troops are meant to station at the border until U.S. Customs and Border Protection can more adequately address its needs through contracted support, according to the official.
DHS officials have predicted that attempts to cross the border could climb following the end of the policy, which was first implemented under the Trump administration.
In March, U.S. officials encountered more than 191,000 migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border; administration officials have said they expect that number to go up significantly with the end of Title 42.
Post by: team filler on May 04, 2023, 04:26:58 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 04, 2023, 10:27:19 PM
:dead
Post by: james on May 04, 2023, 11:01:16 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2023, 03:11:15 AM
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2023, 06:19:59 AM
Look I love the Mickey and the Mouse. The best Marvel movie, well I like all of them but Captain USA is probably the greatest in terms of America and with regard to movies :trumps
Post by: who is ted danson? on May 05, 2023, 03:44:49 PM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 05, 2023, 04:12:14 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 05, 2023, 06:43:26 PM
Holy fucking shit, peak trump moment :lawd
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2023, 06:46:59 PM
Thing is, Pudding Rons voice is that of the kind of bitch assed individual who would have a Disney land annual pass :trumpsNow that you mention it, he does sorta seem like a jilted lover, like all the Harry Potter fans with Joanne.
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2023, 11:56:33 PM
https://cherp.medium.com/rebekah-jones-the-unbearable-lightness-of-truth-6b14142083d5https://twitter.com/BadLegalTakes/status/1654638242069880832
:whoo
Post by: team filler on May 06, 2023, 12:01:12 AM
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2023, 12:29:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vidzkYnaf6Yhttps://twitter.com/AP/status/1654048268718940160
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2023, 01:08:39 AM
How I report things on C-SPAN for downplaying near permanent fascist takeovers of the planet in a sensitive thread? :rage
Post by: Nintex on May 06, 2023, 01:09:48 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 06, 2023, 03:17:01 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 07, 2023, 03:14:20 PM
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Bare-knuckle brawlers from Trumpworld are standing by.
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"Now, we're going from peacetime to Defcon 1," the friend added. "His team is preparing for war. He wants his freedom."
:trumps
Post by: Nintex on May 07, 2023, 03:36:47 PM
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1655237814315892737 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1655237814315892737)
and this leaked: "Write in all caps at the top of the pad 'LIKEABLE' "
https://twitter.com/alexbruesewitz/status/1655206666818682881 (https://twitter.com/alexbruesewitz/status/1655206666818682881)
Post by: Himu on May 07, 2023, 05:47:31 PM
Our education system has done us a disservice. "Let's protest!" as the way to solve things ever since the civil rights movement as the answer to every single thing. Ugh.
All these protests the last decade. Just tired of it.
Post by: Himu on May 07, 2023, 06:16:44 PM
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said the terrible episode broke New Yorkers’ hearts and that it disrupted a place where all New Yorkers have to learn to co-exist.
Lmfao
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/manhattan/public-safety/2023/05/05/mta-chairman-urges-new-yorkers-to--deescalate--on-subway-after-neely-s-death
Post by: Himu on May 07, 2023, 06:51:41 PM
https://twitter.com/RebsBrannon/status/1654977961810960384
Oh my goodness.
Post by: Nintex on May 07, 2023, 07:09:36 PM
It seems like a failure of the city to act but this is sort of a trend in neoliberal cities. It reminded me of the report that one of the first things the Taliban did when they took back Kabul was to open rehab centers for all the homeless addicts.
Of course the Taliban way was to strap them to a bed and have them 'sweat it out' with prayer which does not meet modern medical standards but it's telling that they didn't just leave them out of the streets. Perhaps this sort of thing is the other side of the coin that you just can't prevent in free societies and that is why public workers have mostly given up trying to fix it.
Post by: Himu on May 07, 2023, 07:16:38 PM
Another day another reason to OUTRAGE! Whether it's the right (Bud Light) or the left (Dee fucking Snider is a bad person that hates human rights :dead) everything is a WAH WAH fest. Modern American society is SHIT .
It seems like a failure of the city to act but this is sort of a trend in neoliberal cities.
I have been railing on this issue for a year plus. NYC is a city where the homeless are neighbors of sort and you know them by name.
All this over protest over a mentally ill homeless man. Blocking subways, getting on subway tracks. Good Lord, this fucking country.
(https://i.imgur.com/PfEGXQ3.gif)
i"M pORteStiNg
Post by: Himu on May 07, 2023, 07:24:10 PM
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The Fiscal 2023 Preliminary Budget for the Department of Homeless Services (DHS) totals $2.2 billion, which represents 2.2 percent of the City's overall budget of $98.5 billion.
https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2022/03/DHS-.pdf
Your and my tax dollars at work
Libs: if we raise taxes on this issue it'll work!
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Post by: Nintex on May 07, 2023, 08:02:48 PM
Trump congratulates Nick Adams on his 3 million social media followers and the 'alpha male' movement :dead
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2023, 09:43:26 PM
Our education system has done us a disservice. "Let's protest!" as the way to solve things ever since the civil rights movement as the answer to every single thing. Ugh.Especially since that would be an inaccurate characterization of the sustained multifaceted effort that was intelligently considered.
Not that I wouldn't be surprised if it was taught as "there was a protest, MLK gave a speech, Congress acted, everyone agreed" considering this is about how 99% of Americans believe politics to work.
It seems like a failure of the city to act but this is sort of a trend in neoliberal cities.Here's an example of what I mean.
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2023, 11:09:51 PM
Quote from: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-05-06/californias-reparations-task-force-recommendations-heres-what-you-need-to-know
California’s Reparations Task Force voted on Saturday to recommend that the state issue a formal apology for slavery and potentially provide billions of dollars in cash payments, moving forward a historic effort to enact remedies and compensation for descendants of African Americans who were enslaved in the U.S.
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Economists calculated preliminary estimates of monetary losses in three categories of community harms: health disparities, African American mass incarceration and over-policing, and housing discrimination.
The amounts each individual receives would be determined by the number of years they have resided in California for a minimum of six months. The money would be given to every eligible recipient and no one would need to provide proof that they suffered individual harms in each category.
Compensation for health disparities: $13,619 for each year of residency. This figure was derived by comparing life expectancy between Black non-Hispanic and white non-Hispanic Californians.
Compensation for mass incarceration and over-policing of African Americans: $2,352 for each year of residency in California during the war on drugs from 1971 to 2020.
Compensation for housing discrimination: $3,366 for each year between 1933 and 1977 spent as a resident of the state of California.
The proposal calls for additional compensation for unjust property takings and the devaluation of African American businesses, which have not yet been quantified. The task force also suggests the Legislature adopt an individual claims process to provide reparations for those who can prove particular harms.
The report recommends that the Legislature provide initial down payments to begin the process, with more payments to follow, and prioritize the elderly as the first in line for compensation. The task force also noted that the amounts are conservative estimates and not final.
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A draft of the final report recommends “a range of policies needed to guarantee restitution, compensation, rehabilitation, satisfaction, and non-repetition,” included, but not limited to:I especially liked this one because the minimum wage was originally pushed by progressives in hopes of driving Blacks out of employment:
Repeal or amend Proposition 209, a measure approved by California voters that banned affirmative action in 1996.
Analyze laws, policies and ordinances from the local to the state level for racial impact prior to passage and after implementation.
Amend the California Constitution to prohibit involuntary servitude.
Pay fair market value for jail and prison labor.
Abolish the death penalty.
Fund community wellness centers in African American communities.
Strengthen the Bane Act by eliminating the requirement that a victim of police violence show that the officer “specifically intended” to commit misconduct.
Declare election day a paid state holiday.
Restore voting rights to all formerly and currently incarcerated people.
Implement rent caps for historically redlined ZIP Codes.
Increase grants and financial assistance to improve homeownership rates among African Americans, including subsidized down payments and mortgage payments to those who reside in formerly redlined neighborhoods
Allow descendants who reside in formerly redlined neighborhoods to transfer the assessed value of their primary home to a newly purchased or constructed primary residence.
Provide free college tuition for all California residents eligible for monetary reparations.
Build more parks in African American communities.
Identify and remove Confederate monuments, markers and memorials.
Create a guaranteed income program for descendants of an enslaved person.
Automatically increase minimum wage on a regular basis to adjust for increases to the cost of living, including inflation.
Provide interest-free loans to owners of small businesses in African American commercial areas.
End the cash bail system.
Repeal the “three strikes” law.
Adopt universal single-payer healthcare coverage and a healthcare cost control system.
Increase Medi-Cal reimbursement rates to match reimbursement rates of private insurance.
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Automatically increase minimum wage on a regular basis to adjust for increases to the cost of living, including inflation.Then once all the lower classes were driven out of employment it'd be easy for the state to just sterilize everyone unemployed and protect society from their tainted blood allowing for the progressive utopia to begin.
The fucking yts are going to get away with it again though with excuses:
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“By participating in these horrors, California further perpetuated the harms African Americans faced, imbuing racial prejudice throughout society through segregation, public and private discrimination, and unequal disbursal of state and federal funding,” the panel noted, according to NPR.:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry
Though up to $1.2 million in reparations was approved by the task force, some voiced their displeasure at the offer, arguing the amount should be much higher. Citing a 19th century promise of “40 acres and a mule,” activist Rev. Tony Pierce demanded an “equivocal” amount for every black citizen, amounting to a total he figured to be $200 million, Fox News reported.
While the panel approved the $800 billion in reparations, the proposed payments are not likely to pass through the state’s legislature as $800 billion is more than 2.5 times higher than the state’s annual budget, NPR reported.
“There’s no way in the world that many of these recommendations are going to get through because of the inflationary impact,” Roy L. Brooks, a professor and reparations scholar at the University of San Diego School of Law, told NPR.
Post by: Himu on May 07, 2023, 11:26:26 PM
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2023, 12:14:51 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1655030412425478147
:trash
Post by: james on May 08, 2023, 12:28:54 PM
The Marine did good work
If I was a black man with a history of mental illness, I would not be cheering on the vigilante murder of a black man with a mental illness
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2023, 01:31:28 PM
Post by: james on May 08, 2023, 01:37:32 PM
Your opinion would be if value if you were a black man but you aren't and I have never ranted violently to other people or threw trash at them.
And he didn't either until one day he did.
That's the thing about mental illness. You lose control. Doesn't mean you should be executed.
Post by: james on May 08, 2023, 03:14:37 PM
https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1655629160956538896
Post by: Nintex on May 08, 2023, 03:30:18 PM
https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1655630052694843416 (https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1655630052694843416)
Rest in piss bozo :pacspit
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2023, 12:24:10 AM
Quote from: https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/08/bryon-slaton-pressure-resign-texas-house/
Rep. Bryan Slaton resigned from the Texas House on Monday after an investigation determined that he had an inappropriate sexual relationship with a 19-year-old woman on his staff, providing her with enough alcohol before their encounter that she felt dizzy and had double vision.:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry
Pressure had mounted on the Royse City Republican to resign since Saturday, when the House General Investigative Committee released a 16-page report finding Slaton, who is 45 and married, had engaged in inappropriate sexual conduct with his aide. The committee of three Republicans and two Democrats recommended that Slaton be the first state representative expelled from the body since 1927.
Slaton's resignation, however, may not stop a planned Tuesday vote on a House resolution expelling him from office.
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2023, 12:25:46 AM
Quote from: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/08/kanye-west-treasurer-resigns-00095887
Patrick Krason, the treasurer for Ye’s, better known as [deadname redacted for your protection], still-active presidential campaign account, told a federal regulator he had resigned on Monday, alleging in a letter to the rapper-turned-candidate that campaign advisor Milo Yiannopoulos had possibly broken federal campaign finance law. Yiannopoulos denied the allegation.
The change signals a broader political shakeup for the rapper, also known as Ye, who has floated running for president again in 2024, although he has not filed a formal statement of candidacy with the Federal Election Commission. The Daily Beast reported last week that Yiannopoulos had returned to lead Ye’s political operation. Yiannopoulos, a longtime far-right provocateur, had previously worked with Ye’s campaign but departed in December, shortly before Krason was hired.
Krason had served as the campaign treasurer since December, and told the FEC that he had resigned in a Monday letter. All campaigns are required to have a treasurer to accept donations, make disbursements and file mandated reports with the agency.
In a separate letter addressed to Ye and obtained by POLITICO, Krason said he had been told he was going to be terminated by Yiannopoulos but was resigning before that was made official. He also said he had recently learned of a “potentially serious criminal transaction” involving the [deadname redacted for your protection] 2020 campaign, saying that Yiannopoulos “submitted falsified invoices and for expenditures that would be deemed unlawful” in November 2022, before Krason assumed the role as treasurer. He added that there was too much “personal animosity” for a professional relationship with Yiannopoulos.
Reached by phone, Krason said he felt he needed to leave Ye’s campaign following the personnel changes and due to concerns about Yiannopoulos outlined in his letter to Ye.
Yiannopoulos denied any wrongdoing by himself or the [deadname redacted for your protection] 2020 campaign to POLITICO, saying he was not going to “give any credence or ridiculous, ridiculous and easily disproven claims.” He suggested the allegations were a “venomous” attempt by the former treasurer to lash out while leaving the campaign. Ye could not be reached for comment directly.
Post by: Transhuman on May 09, 2023, 01:32:33 AM
The Texas shooter.
https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1655629160956538896
Was he a Jain or something?
Post by: Nintex on May 09, 2023, 08:36:09 AM
Gag order for Trump
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 09, 2023, 03:45:34 PM
https://twitter.com/newsweek/status/1655672949758631952
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 09, 2023, 04:08:21 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 09, 2023, 06:03:51 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 09, 2023, 06:23:18 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvt8WPZXwAEQv6J?format=jpg)
Absolute chaos with Trump leading by 7% in the polls doing a CNN Town Hall and found liable for sexual abuse (but not rape) :dead
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvuEP0GXoAE4IN-?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvtvve-WYAAZzyt?format=jpg)
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2023, 06:39:52 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 09, 2023, 06:46:01 PM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1656050533604503557
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“The truth has finally come out,” said Gregory Morey-Parker, who also accused Santos of stealing his scarf. An allegation, like so many others, that Santos denies.
:jeanluc
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2023, 12:00:08 AM
https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1656013997647462401
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2023, 12:13:43 AM
The Texas shooter.FACT CHECK:
twitter.com/AricToler/status/1655629160956538896
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvoWBGlWcAInj3S?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: Nintex on May 10, 2023, 05:13:57 AM
This campaign is already 20x crazier than 2016 and 2020 just how unhinged can it get
https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1656323009139953667 (https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1656323009139953667)
Post by: Uncle on May 10, 2023, 04:40:02 PM
Another weekend another protest from the left. All over an unhinged homeless. I'm sorry that he died but New Yorkers know what it's like to be attacked by a homeless man. This guy was ranting violently, throwing trash at passengers. Imagine being underground stuck in a car with nowhere to go as a mentally ill man SCREAMS AT YOU. Nope. The Marine did good work helping the people in that train car and I'm sorry that Neely died but protests over this? Absolutely ridiculous.
did you know that there are actually no violent homeless people in the NY subway ever
:idont
https://nypost.com/2023/05/10/ny-times-writer-nyc-subway-fears-are-imaginary-monsters/
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A New York Times opinion writer has been ripped for claiming that straphangers scared of “half-naked lunatics” menacing Big Apple subways need therapy for “imaginary monsters.”
Elizabeth Spiers sparked incredulity with her condescending response to the suggestion that a “polite society” is “one where people can safely ride the subway to work or take their children out in public without being accosted & menaced by half-naked lunatics.”
“Hi – New Yorker here,” wrote Spiers, who is also a Democratic pollster and NYU journalism professor.
“I’ve safely ridden the subway for 23 years and my child has never been menaced by a half naked lunatic, but these imaginary monsters in your head are addressable with therapy,” she continued.
Her tweet quickly went viral, seen more than 3 million times by Wednesday — with many questioning how serious she was.
“Not satire …,” one person wrote as others questioned if it was actually “a parody account.”
National Review writer Dan McLaughlin — to whose tweet Spiers had replied — was among those amazed that his critic had escaped seeing anything alarming for so long.
“If you’ve never encountered an alarming lunatic on the subway or its platforms, I question what city you’ve been traveling in,” McLaughlin tweeted.
“And how small your circle of friends must be if you don’t know anybody who’s experienced unhinged people in the subways.”
Others also noted how not seeing something firsthand does not mean it is not there.
“Exactly, Elizabeth! I feel the same way about tornadoes,” one person tweeted sarcastically.
“Everyone complains about them, but they’ve never bothered me. I’ve never even seen one and, frankly, I don’t really believe they exist.”
Spiers repeatedly doubled down on her views, replying to a flurry of critics to stand by her initial “imaginary monsters” claim.
She even dismissed someone who noted “all the videos showing mentally ill people in the middle of a psychosis.”
“All the videos? That you found on the Internet? That you have no idea where they came from or when they were shot? That you have not independently verified? And I’m the naive one?” she asked.
“My position is that the maybe two recent videos you’ve seen that are real,” she said. The two included the video showing the chokehold death of troubled vagrant Jordan Neely, said Spiers, who defended the subway system as suffering just “an occasional incident.”
“I see far more videos of unhinged people in Walmarts and it doesn’t make me think Walmarts are generally unsafe or stop going into them,” she wrote.
She even stuck by that when someone recounted recently seeing “a homeless guy pull his d–k out and pee off the side of one the subway tracks” at Grand Central in full view of women and kids at rush hour.
“Yeah I saw that s–t where I grew up. Except the guys weren’t homeless,” Spiers claimed dismissively.
When someone else noted how “everyone who’s ridden the subway in NYC for any amount of time has a crazy homeless person story,” Spiers maintained that she had similar experiences “everywhere I’ve ever lived.”
“I fail to see why homeless people on the NYC subway are any different from homeless people at the Walmart in my hometown and why anyone should consider either inherently dangerous,” said the proud “Alabamian/Rednexican.”
Noting a shift in her argument, the same person replied: “So it’s not ‘imaginary’ you just think people should be quiet about it.”
In one of her replies, Spiers conceded that “our subway system sucks.”
“But not because of safety issues. Albany loves blocking upgrades,” she insisted.
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2023, 04:44:36 PM
https://newrepublic.com/post/172567/florida-school-district-ban-kids-book-segregation
https://apnews.com/article/us-immigration-title-42-military-66adfec2d9c25120dd058a8d582ddcd1
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2023, 04:49:25 PM
Another weekend another protest from the left. All over an unhinged homeless. I'm sorry that he died but New Yorkers know what it's like to be attacked by a homeless man. This guy was ranting violently, throwing trash at passengers. Imagine being underground stuck in a car with nowhere to go as a mentally ill man SCREAMS AT YOU. Nope. The Marine did good work helping the people in that train car and I'm sorry that Neely died but protests over this? Absolutely ridiculous.
did you know that there are actually no violent homeless people in the NY subway ever
:idont
https://nypost.com/2023/05/10/ny-times-writer-nyc-subway-fears-are-imaginary-monsters/QuoteA New York Times opinion writer has been ripped for claiming that straphangers scared of “half-naked lunatics” menacing Big Apple subways need therapy for “imaginary monsters.”
Elizabeth Spiers sparked incredulity with her condescending response to the suggestion that a “polite society” is “one where people can safely ride the subway to work or take their children out in public without being accosted & menaced by half-naked lunatics.”
“Hi – New Yorker here,” wrote Spiers, who is also a Democratic pollster and NYU journalism professor.
“I’ve safely ridden the subway for 23 years and my child has never been menaced by a half naked lunatic, but these imaginary monsters in your head are addressable with therapy,” she continued.
Her tweet quickly went viral, seen more than 3 million times by Wednesday — with many questioning how serious she was.
“Not satire …,” one person wrote as others questioned if it was actually “a parody account.”
National Review writer Dan McLaughlin — to whose tweet Spiers had replied — was among those amazed that his critic had escaped seeing anything alarming for so long.
“If you’ve never encountered an alarming lunatic on the subway or its platforms, I question what city you’ve been traveling in,” McLaughlin tweeted.
“And how small your circle of friends must be if you don’t know anybody who’s experienced unhinged people in the subways.”
Others also noted how not seeing something firsthand does not mean it is not there.
“Exactly, Elizabeth! I feel the same way about tornadoes,” one person tweeted sarcastically.
“Everyone complains about them, but they’ve never bothered me. I’ve never even seen one and, frankly, I don’t really believe they exist.”
Spiers repeatedly doubled down on her views, replying to a flurry of critics to stand by her initial “imaginary monsters” claim.
She even dismissed someone who noted “all the videos showing mentally ill people in the middle of a psychosis.”
“All the videos? That you found on the Internet? That you have no idea where they came from or when they were shot? That you have not independently verified? And I’m the naive one?” she asked.
“My position is that the maybe two recent videos you’ve seen that are real,” she said. The two included the video showing the chokehold death of troubled vagrant Jordan Neely, said Spiers, who defended the subway system as suffering just “an occasional incident.”
“I see far more videos of unhinged people in Walmarts and it doesn’t make me think Walmarts are generally unsafe or stop going into them,” she wrote.
She even stuck by that when someone recounted recently seeing “a homeless guy pull his d–k out and pee off the side of one the subway tracks” at Grand Central in full view of women and kids at rush hour.
“Yeah I saw that s–t where I grew up. Except the guys weren’t homeless,” Spiers claimed dismissively.
When someone else noted how “everyone who’s ridden the subway in NYC for any amount of time has a crazy homeless person story,” Spiers maintained that she had similar experiences “everywhere I’ve ever lived.”
“I fail to see why homeless people on the NYC subway are any different from homeless people at the Walmart in my hometown and why anyone should consider either inherently dangerous,” said the proud “Alabamian/Rednexican.”
Noting a shift in her argument, the same person replied: “So it’s not ‘imaginary’ you just think people should be quiet about it.”
In one of her replies, Spiers conceded that “our subway system sucks.”
“But not because of safety issues. Albany loves blocking upgrades,” she insisted.
She's full of shit and is also a lying rat.
https://youtu.be/bpOO2prNrLE
No different from the Wal-Mart in her hometown. Lady, majority of New Yorkers don't have a car. Everyone uses the subway and therefore we all have to deal with your less than fair standards and allow the homeless to live, sleep, and shoot up on something everyone uses.
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 10, 2023, 06:07:22 PM
https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1656374278915346458
Post by: BIONIC on May 10, 2023, 06:18:41 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 10, 2023, 06:21:06 PM
:dead
Post by: Nintex on May 10, 2023, 06:41:24 PM
Oh dear
Post by: Propagandhim on May 10, 2023, 06:47:29 PM
The guy refused to a peaceful transition of power, they called it fascistic, and now they're back on his nuts.
Post by: Potato on May 10, 2023, 08:59:02 PM
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2023, 09:37:56 PM
CNN constantly complaining about Trump and hosting a town hall for him. They can't help themselves. And Trump mocks them for it, too. :dead
The guy refused to a peaceful transition of power, they called it fascistic, and now they're back on his nuts.
True!
But also, if they didn't host him cons would be like WHY ARE THEY SILENCING CONSERVATIVES
You can't win.
Post by: Nintex on May 11, 2023, 03:20:13 AM
https://twitter.com/Quickwitnitwit/status/1656537696540450816 (https://twitter.com/Quickwitnitwit/status/1656537696540450816)
Post by: BIONIC on May 11, 2023, 06:29:13 AM
The replies to this :dead
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2023, 01:33:07 PM
Why would they care?CNN constantly complaining about Trump and hosting a town hall for him. They can't help themselves. And Trump mocks them for it, too. :dead
The guy refused to a peaceful transition of power, they called it fascistic, and now they're back on his nuts.
True!
But also, if they didn't host him cons would be like WHY ARE THEY SILENCING CONSERVATIVES
You can't win.
They created Trump by dropping billions of free time on him in 2015-16 at the expense of every other candidate including Hillary, said they learned their lesson and are right back to doing it again for him and DeSantis. All to avoid criticism from people they don't give a shit about?
Nah, it's much simpler: Trump brings them attention from outraged Democrats and Democrat-leaners who have outsized income to spend, they spend a little money to get a bunch of footage of Trump saying things that will outrage their viewers and then they can air the footage continuously for days. Then the rest of the media ecosystem can spend its time attacking and/or praising CNN and/or Trump all of which gets both brands out there while everybody that matters (the media and Trump) benefits. Add on how Trump doesn't challenge anything essential they support and it's win-win-win.
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 11, 2023, 04:43:31 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidAstinWalsh/status/1656630113478344704
https://twitter.com/DavidAstinWalsh/status/1656631664653611010
:pimp
Post by: Nintex on May 11, 2023, 08:18:59 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2023, 10:06:01 PM
:karen
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2023, 10:10:17 PM
:badass
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 11, 2023, 10:11:41 PM
Post by: Himu on May 11, 2023, 10:13:29 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 12, 2023, 03:43:08 AM
Trump: "This town hall could be a disaster for all involved, including me"
:hesright
Post by: Himu on May 12, 2023, 11:46:34 AM
:bow
https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/1656806716133228545
Post by: james on May 12, 2023, 01:50:03 PM
https://twitter.com/torriangray/status/1656734036746969088
Post by: Nintex on May 12, 2023, 02:07:34 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 12, 2023, 06:47:31 PM
https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1656782681231831047 (https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1656782681231831047)
:trumps
Post by: Nintex on May 15, 2023, 04:26:26 PM
It's DURHAM time.
Post by: Nintex on May 15, 2023, 06:43:25 PM
What's that Jake?
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 15, 2023, 06:46:36 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 15, 2023, 07:57:26 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 15, 2023, 10:04:18 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 16, 2023, 07:39:00 AM
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1658434230567804929 (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1658434230567804929)
:dead
Post by: Nintex on May 16, 2023, 01:30:49 PM
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1658503694592122881 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1658503694592122881)
I think when the pollster calls people just flip a coin at this point.
Post by: james on May 16, 2023, 05:17:41 PM
Post by: Propagandhim on May 16, 2023, 05:26:08 PM
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 16, 2023, 06:29:23 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ea4lwkpw7a0b1.jpg)
All 5 of the people who were studying Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion in Florida now have to find a better state to live in.
Post by: BIONIC on May 16, 2023, 06:41:31 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 16, 2023, 07:08:43 PM
I'm trying, Diane. :fbm
Post by: team filler on May 16, 2023, 09:47:24 PM
The chick with the glasses tho :drool :sicko :droolright in her tight arse :hump
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2023, 02:06:25 AM
Defund the FBI!https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1658251542263218176
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2023, 02:09:09 AM
Quote from: https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/14/politics/rick-perry-president-2024-trump-cnntv/index.html
Former Energy Secretary Rick Perry on Sunday teased a possible 2024 presidential run while declining to support Donald Trump’s campaign, becoming the latest onetime Trump appointee to distance himself from the former president’s third White House bid.:trumps
Perry, who unsuccessfully sought the 2012 and 2016 GOP presidential nominations, told CNN’s Jim Acosta in an interview that he hasn’t “written off” the idea of running for president in 2024, saying there was “a lot of time” before a decision would need to be made.
When asked if he believes Trump should be the Republican nominee next year, the former Texas governor said, “I’m still trying to sort that out for myself.”
“He may get to hear me call him names again,” Perry added, alluding to previous clashes between the two men in the 2016 Republican primaries. “If you’ll recall, I didn’t announce for president in 2011 until August, so we’ve got a lot of time left.”
Post by: Nintex on May 17, 2023, 02:17:00 AM
Ron DeCringe
Post by: BIONIC on May 17, 2023, 02:36:52 AM
(https://i.redd.it/ea4lwkpw7a0b1.jpg)
This Ron DeSoros face should be an emote btw :joker
Post by: Uncle on May 17, 2023, 06:24:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LibG5oW5yPM
Post by: Nintex on May 17, 2023, 08:49:14 AM
https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1658646135957856256 (https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1658646135957856256)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwTVwi2XoAAvYZ-?format=jpg)
Post by: james on May 17, 2023, 11:13:17 AM
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 17, 2023, 02:27:04 PM
Post by: BIONIC on May 17, 2023, 02:43:36 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 17, 2023, 03:00:39 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ea4lwkpw7a0b1.jpg)
This Ron DeSoros face should be an emote btw :joker
(https://i.imgur.com/kK3dh7I.png)
Post by: BIONIC on May 17, 2023, 03:03:18 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 17, 2023, 04:32:44 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 17, 2023, 04:36:07 PM
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2023, 10:22:39 PM
Quote from: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-reparations-black-americans
A group of House progressives led by Rep. Cori Bush, D-Mo., have revived discussions at the federal level about giving reparations to Black Americans who descended from slaves and Americans of African descent.Now we're talking! :phil :jeb
Bush held a press conference on Wednesday unveiling her Reparations Now resolution, which declares "that the United States has a moral and legal obligation to provide reparations for the enslavement of Africans and its massive harm on the lives of millions."
She spoke alongside fellow Squad members Reps. Jamaal Bowman, D-N.Y., and Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., as well as Senate candidate Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., and freshman Rep. Summer Lee., D-Pa., and a host of activists from around the country.
"Black people in our country cannot wait any longer for our government to begin addressing… all of the harm it has caused since the founding, that it continues to perpetuate each and every day all across our communities, all across this country," Bush said.
Quote
"Let us speak this truth, uncomfortable as it may be: Our country was not founded on the principle that all people are created equal. It was founded at the expense of the lives, freedom and well-being of Black people, African folks who they stole."Oh. :fbm
"The truth is uncomfortable," Bush added, before explaining how slavery was an "integral part of our country's development."
"By 1831, the United States was delivering nearly half of the world's raw cotton crop as a result of chattel slavery. In 1861 alone, the value placed on cotton produced by enslaved Black people was $250 million, or more than $8 billion today. All of this happened not in spite of the federal government, but because of it," the St. Louis Democrat said.
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 17, 2023, 11:21:56 PM
:delicious
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2023, 11:59:02 PM
Quote from: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/penguin-random-house-sues-florida-school-district-book-99390937
riters' group PEN America and publisher Penguin Random House sued a Florida school district Wednesday over its removal of books about race and LGBTQ+ identities, the latest opposition to a policy central to Gov. Ron DeSantis’ agenda as he prepares to run for president.
The federal lawsuit alleges the Escambia County School District and its School Board are violating the First Amendment through the removal of 10 books from library shelves.
The case does not name DeSantis as a defendant though the Republican governor has championed policies that allow the censorship and challenging of books based on whether they are appropriate for children in schools, causing national uproar.
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“Books have the capacity to change lives for the better, and students in particular deserve equitable access to a wide range of perspectives. Censorship, in the form of book bans like those enacted by Escambia County, are a direct threat to democracy and our Constitutional rights,” Nihar Malaviya, CEO of Penguin Random House, said in a statement.
Escambia County school officials did not immediately return a request for comment.
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The lawsuit says the removals stem from objections from one language arts teacher in the county, and in each case the school board voted to remove the books over recommendations from a district review committee that deemed them educationally suitable.:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry
The teacher's formal objections to the books appear to draw on materials compiled by a website that creates reports on books it deems ideologically unsuitable for children, according to the lawsuit.
In one example cited in the lawsuit, the teacher admitted she had never heard of the book “The Perks of Being a Wallflower” by Stephen Chbosky but filed an objection form to the novel that contained specific excerpts and phrasing from the book ban website.
Among the other removed books are “The Bluest Eye” by Toni Morrison, “The Nowhere Girls” by Amy Reed and “Lucky” by Alice Sebold. The lawsuit said more than 150 additional books are under review by the school board.
“In Escambia County, state censors are spiriting books off shelves in a deliberate attempt to suppress diverse voices. In a nation built on free speech, this cannot stand," said Suzanne Nossel, CEO of PEN America. "The law demands that the Escambia County School District put removed or restricted books back on library shelves where they belong.”
No news story explains how they have standing and this is on their lawsuit webpage:
Quote from: https://pen.org/pen-america-v-escambia-county/
The lawsuit asks that the district return the books to shelves immediately and permanently, and be prohibited from removing the books again. The lawsuit also seeks attorney fees and expenses.
Quote from: https://pen.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/1-Complaint.pdf
Plaintiffs bring this lawsuit because that is exactly what is happening in
Escambia County. Books are being ordered removed from libraries, or subject to
restricted access within those libraries, based on an ideologically driven campaign
to push certain ideas out of schools. Further, the School Board is ordering the
removal against the recommendations of experts within the School District. This
disregard for professional guidance underscores that the agendas underlying the
removals are ideological and political, not pedagogical.
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The actions of the School District and School Board also violate the
Equal Protection Clause because the books being singled out for possible removal
are disproportionately books by non-white and/or LGBTQ authors, or which address
topics related to race or LGBTQ identity. This is no accident. The clear agenda
behind the campaign to remove the books is to categorically remove all discussion
of racial discrimination or LGBTQ issues from public school libraries. Government
action may not be premised on such discriminatory motivations.
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The barriers for students to access restricted books are significant. To
access them, a student—who could be as young as 5 years old—must find a librarian,
ask the librarian for permission to access a book that has been designated as
“pornographic” or otherwise unsuitable for school-aged children, and then wait
while that librarian verifies that the student, in fact, has parental permission to access
it. Forcing students to undertake these steps, and endure the stigma that goes along
with undertaking them, is having a profound chilling effect on students seeking
access to the restricted books.
Quote
As a consequence of this targeting of books by non-white and LGBTQ
authors, authors belonging to such groups are disproportionately hindered in their
ability to reach young audiences, including non-white and LGBTQ students.
Most of this lawsuit is nonsense but there's a tiny hook among all the bitching:
Quote
It is equally apparent that the books that have been targeted for removal,Or it would be, but cancel culture does not exist.
and which could be subject to permanent removal at any moment, are books in which
the central objection to their presence in the library is ideological, not pedagogical.
Indeed, because the School District is currently restricting access to virtually any
book that the challenger alleges contains sexual content or references the existence
of same-sex relationships or transgender persons—without regard to anything else
about the book’s contents—the School District is, in effect, giving private citizens
the unilateral right to restrict student access to books to which they object.
Plus they kind of stomp on this when they talk about the damages:
Quote
Durtschi’s third-grader would like to access and check out books thatApparently it violates free speech to allow one woman to complain the books are there but not another woman to complain the books aren't there.
are no longer available in her school’s library because of the book removals and
book restrictions. In particular, she would like to access and check out Too Bright
to See, Drama, and New Kid. Each of those books is currently unavailable or
restricted in her school library as a result of the actions of the School District and the
School Board.
146. Durtschi’s first-grader would also like to access and check out books
that are no longer available in her school’s library because of the book removals and
book restrictions. In particular, she would like to access and check out Tango, Aidan,
and Uncle Bobby’s Wedding. Each of those books is currently unavailable or
restricted in her school library as a result of the actions of the School District and the
School Board.
147. Durtschi herself would like those particular books, and others like them,
to be available to her children in their school library. It is very important to her that
her children have opportunities to be exposed to points of view, backgrounds, and
experiences different from their own. She believes such exposure is critical for
preparing them for participation in our wider society
My favorite part are where PEN and Random House declare standing:
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PEN America has standing to sue to enjoin the Defendants’ book
removals and restrictions because the actions of the School District and School
Board have caused direct organizational injury to PEN America.
153. As a consequence of the national movement to remove books from
public school libraries based on political or ideological objections—including in
Escambia County—PEN America has had to reallocate significant financial
resources and time to addressing this issue and away from other priorities. For
example, PEN America has had to hire full-time staff to work solely on (a) tracking
and reporting on book removals, (b) supporting author-members who have concerns
about what is happening to their own books, and (c) responding to a consistent
onslaught of inquiries and notifications from parents, teachers, students and media
concerned about the situation regarding book removals and looking to PEN America
for insight and guidance. In addition, because of the focus on book removals, PEN
America has had fewer personnel dedicated to free speech education for youth or to
free speech issues on college campuses, two other areas related to education on
which PEN America has typically focused its resources
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. Millions of books published by PRH are sold into Florida each year,Unlimited Commerce Clause ftw. :mouf
including to school districts and public libraries. PRH has standing to sue to enjoin
Defendants’ book removal and restrictions because certain of the books it publishes,
including books by Toni Morrison, Kurt Vonnegut, Eric Carle, Kyle Lukoff,
Sapphire, and David Levithan, have been (a) removed from libraries within the
School District, and/or (b) subject to restricted access of an indefinite period pending
adjudication of a challenge. A publisher’s ability to publish and sell books freely is
affected when state or local officials restrict circulation or remove the publisher’s books.
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 18, 2023, 06:33:32 AM
(https://i.redd.it/ea4lwkpw7a0b1.jpg)
Pudding Ron has gone Super Soyan 3 :tocry
Post by: Uncle on May 18, 2023, 06:35:47 AM
when library statistics show one or more of them are checked out less often than the majority of books, the school isn't allowed to make space for others, instead must perpetually keep room set aside for this specific albatross ruled on in this case?
Post by: Nintex on May 18, 2023, 07:21:11 AM
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a student—who could be as young as 5 years old—must find a librarian, ask the librarian for permission to access a book that has been designated as “pornographic” or otherwise unsuitable for school-aged children, and then wait while that librarian verifies that the student, in fact, has parental permission to access it.:doge
Post by: james on May 18, 2023, 02:57:45 PM
https://twitter.com/JoeNBC/status/1659264345598226434
Post by: BIONIC on May 18, 2023, 03:02:58 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 18, 2023, 03:43:13 PM
https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1659152608232103937 (https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1659152608232103937)
https://twitter.com/miguelifornia/status/1658874712158797824 (https://twitter.com/miguelifornia/status/1658874712158797824)
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2023, 06:36:17 PM
permanently? in other words when the books get dog-eared and worn out and less relevant to modern sensibilities, the library is still required to spend state tax dollars on specific products from corporations in order to replace them?What part of some woman and her ugly dumb kids want books from the library are you not understanding? Is it the part where elected officials should not be able to overrule experts?
when library statistics show one or more of them are checked out less often than the majority of books, the school isn't allowed to make space for others, instead must perpetually keep room set aside for this specific albatross ruled on in this case?
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 19, 2023, 12:04:35 AM
:gopnik
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2023, 12:09:03 AM
Post by: who is ted danson? on May 19, 2023, 02:41:56 AM
Post by: chronovore on May 19, 2023, 03:40:14 AM
Let the man relax! End the drug war! :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacryYou're not supposed to end the drug war by surrendering to it.
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2023, 12:00:03 AM
Amazing intro. :american
Post by: Uncle on May 20, 2023, 02:13:36 AM
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2023, 03:36:20 AM
If you've got a better idea to end the drug war than by consuming all the drugs personally I'd like to hear it! :boloLet the man relax! End the drug war! :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacryYou're not supposed to end the drug war by surrendering to it.
Post by: team filler on May 20, 2023, 03:39:33 AM
Post by: Nintex on May 20, 2023, 06:41:03 AM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1659012289633083392
:gopnik
Why is that "Where is" Hunter can smoke a crack pipe and lay pipe while a great guy like Matty gets in trouble just for holding a pipe (which was probably planted by the corrupt injustice department).
Maybe our great police should wake up the guy in the White House to secure our borders instead of attacking country loving Republican legoslators who are fighting hard to make AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
Post by: team filler on May 20, 2023, 06:44:06 AM
Post by: team filler on May 21, 2023, 04:27:25 AM
:doge
Post by: Himu on May 21, 2023, 04:47:15 AM
There's talk of AI replacing Hollywood writers. By the end of this decade AI will be able to read through whole bills and make ethical evaluations. It could literally make politicians outdated. Why are they not discussing this?
Post by: team filler on May 21, 2023, 05:03:17 AM
Post by: chronovore on May 21, 2023, 05:20:30 AM
https://twitter.com/bintcrubbs/status/1659980717760163842:obama
:doge
Post by: Coax on May 21, 2023, 06:34:52 AM
Notice congress isn't talking about the topic of the year, AI?
There's talk of AI replacing Hollywood writers. By the end of this decade AI will be able to read through whole bills and make ethical evaluations. It could literally make politicians outdated. Why are they not discussing this?
There was a senate hearing about it just the other day. Keep in mind they asked Sam Altman (of OpenAI) to appear who has a financial incentive to push back against open source development as it's competition and has been seen by various as wanting to 'lock in' their existing position by influencing regulation on smaller players.
When a senator asked how power wouldn't be concentrated in the few largest companies in the space, instead of mentioning the democratization of open source he went on to point to how his company has allowed democratization of AI (despite most of it being closed source and commercial).
His company co-authored a paper a few months back proposing measures like government restriction of sales of GPU hardware to consumers, restricted access to models and for users have a form of human ID to post generated content on social media—ostensibly to fight disinformation but conveniently would stifle open source developments which compete with their offerings. They amusingly cite a joke 4chan-trained text model a Youtuber made and used exclusively on 4chan for a few days as a bot as an example of non-theoretical 'influence operations'.
An alleged Google internal report leaked recently which is in line with the largest players' concerns that the open source community is progressing at a much more rapid pace than their timelines, while also being more agile since new developments have meant large trained models (which are very expensive to produce, meaning only the most well-funded could make them) are not always as relevant since smaller standalone and/or supplementary models can be made by the community and tailored to specific needs.
As for text models' use in government Congress already approved licenses of ChatGPT for 'creating and summarizing (https://fedscoop.com/congress-gets-40-chatgpt-plus-licenses/)' content.
Post by: Nintex on May 21, 2023, 06:59:21 AM
Post by: BIONIC on May 21, 2023, 07:14:22 AM
https://twitter.com/bintcrubbs/status/1659980717760163842
:doge
Ruthkanda forever!
Post by: Himu on May 21, 2023, 07:30:26 AM
Notice congress isn't talking about the topic of the year, AI?
There's talk of AI replacing Hollywood writers. By the end of this decade AI will be able to read through whole bills and make ethical evaluations. It could literally make politicians outdated. Why are they not discussing this?
There was a senate hearing about it just the other day. Keep in mind they asked Sam Altman (of OpenAI) to appear who has a financial incentive to push back against open source development as it's competition and has been seen by various as wanting to 'lock in' their existing position by influencing regulation on smaller players.
When a senator asked how power wouldn't be concentrated in the few largest companies in the space, instead of mentioning the democratization of open source he went on to point to how his company has allowed democratization of AI (despite most of it being closed source and commercial).
His company co-authored a paper a few months back proposing measures like government restriction of sales of GPU hardware to consumers, restricted access to models and for users have a form of human ID to post generated content on social media—ostensibly to fight disinformation but conveniently would stifle open source developments which compete with their offerings. They amusingly cite a joke 4chan-trained text model a Youtuber made and used exclusively on 4chan for a few days as a bot as an example of non-theoretical 'influence operations'.
An alleged Google internal report leaked recently which is in line with the largest players' concerns that the open source community is progressing at a much more rapid pace than their timelines, while also being more agile since new developments have meant large trained models (which are very expensive to produce, meaning only the most well-funded could make them) are not always as relevant since smaller standalone and/or supplementary models can be made by the community and tailored to specific needs.
As for text models' use in government Congress already approved licenses of ChatGPT for 'creating and summarizing (https://fedscoop.com/congress-gets-40-chatgpt-plus-licenses/)' content.
Thanks for the clarification
Post by: Nintex on May 21, 2023, 05:12:16 PM
:doge
Post by: BIONIC on May 21, 2023, 05:15:55 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 22, 2023, 01:10:06 PM
:elon :trumps
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 22, 2023, 11:12:37 PM
:salute
Post by: team filler on May 23, 2023, 12:03:12 AM
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2023, 03:14:04 AM
Now that's what you call a false flag 8)
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2023, 10:38:02 AM
Post by: BIONIC on May 23, 2023, 11:15:49 AM
https://twitter.com/bintcrubbs/status/1659980717760163842
:doge
Ruthkanda forever!
This should’ve at least gotten a pity filler like :stahp
Post by: Nintex on May 23, 2023, 02:31:51 PM
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1661070514520039424 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1661070514520039424)
https://twitter.com/ThorfinnFlop/status/1661078647774539776 (https://twitter.com/ThorfinnFlop/status/1661078647774539776)
Post by: benjipwns on May 23, 2023, 11:50:02 PM
Quote from: https://time.com/6282121/hillary-clinton-dianne-feinstein-shouldnt-retire/
Clinton said she had a “very negative response” to my question.Senator solidarity. :patel
“Let me say a word about my friend and longtime colleague Dianne Feinstein,” she continued. “First of all, she has suffered greatly from the bout of shingles and encephalitis that she endured. Here is the dilemma for her: she got reelected, the people of California voted for her again, not very long ago. That was the voters’ decision to vote for her, and she has been a remarkable and very effective leader.”
“Here’s the dilemma: the Republicans will not agree to add someone else to the Judiciary Committee if she retires,” she continued, referencing Feinstein’s powerful committee membership. (When Feinstein was absent from the Senate for nearly three months this year recovering from health issues, it created a logjam on the narrowly divided Judiciary Committee, since Democrats were unable to confirm President Joe Biden’s judicial nominees without Republican support.) “I want you to think about how crummy that is. I don’t know in her heart about whether she really would or wouldn’t, but right now, she can’t. Because if we’re going to get judges confirmed, which is one of the most important continuing obligations that we have, then we cannot afford to have her seat vacant.”
“If Republicans were to say and do the decent thing and say, well this woman was gravely ill, she had just lost her husband to cancer… of course we will let you fill this position if she retires. But they won’t say that,” she continued. “So what are we supposed to do? All these people pushing her to retire: fine, we get no more judges? I don’t think that’s a good tradeoff.”
When I asked her again about the broader question of whether Democrats have allowed their leadership to get too old, she pushed back. “I do not believe in broad questions about age,” Clinton, age 75, said, adding that she also didn’t believe in term limits. “If you don’t want to vote for somebody, don’t vote for them. But don’t impose some artificial check on the voters. I don’t buy this whole debate. And frankly, a lot of the people pushing it, I don’t understand what their real agenda is, because part of it is a bank shot against Joe Biden. And I think Joe Biden has done a very good job.”
Post by: benjipwns on May 23, 2023, 11:56:40 PM
:karen
edit: State Attorney General also getting in on the unconstitutional and terrible law making:
https://twitter.com/PAAttorneyGen/status/1661118178057920547
Post by: team filler on May 24, 2023, 12:45:54 AM
hit to the supply chains :trumpshttps://twitter.com/bintcrubbs/status/1659980717760163842
:doge
Ruthkanda forever!
This should’ve at least gotten a pity filler like :stahp
Post by: BIONIC on May 24, 2023, 05:03:45 AM
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2023, 02:49:27 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/w8kAoMlhgjQAAAAM/so-it-begins-raining.gif)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on May 24, 2023, 06:41:40 PM
I hope Trump metaphorically waterboards him with custard.
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2023, 07:56:43 PM
https://twitter.com/GravitysRa1nbow/status/1661515331221835776 (https://twitter.com/GravitysRa1nbow/status/1661515331221835776)
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1661502747412185088 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1661502747412185088)
Post by: Nintex on May 24, 2023, 08:12:53 PM
:dead
Post by: Himu on May 24, 2023, 10:14:41 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 25, 2023, 03:01:50 AM
Holy shit :lol
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2023, 03:24:45 AM
Quote
CBS News has learned that North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum is nearing a decision to launch a dark-horse bid for the White House, and has begun hiring political consultants who have advised previous Republican presidential campaigns, according to GOP sources familiar with the planning.(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Doug_Burgum_%28cropped%29.jpg/170px-Doug_Burgum_%28cropped%29.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/918/29748278718_b41ae93dda_b.jpg)
(https://media.tenor.com/5_ktj0MLJ9sAAAAM/jason-batemn-arrested-development.gif)
omg he needs to go back to this
(https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~bfhs/genealogy/MY%20PICS/doug%20burgum.jpg)
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Post by: Himu on May 25, 2023, 07:40:47 AM
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 25, 2023, 11:36:32 AM
Post by: Nintex on May 25, 2023, 03:17:37 PM
https://twitter.com/stacyhrae/status/1661539461404979202 (https://twitter.com/stacyhrae/status/1661539461404979202)
Post by: Himu on May 25, 2023, 05:09:53 PM
He's thinking maybe he'll get to be VP and hanged during the next Capitol insurrection.
Could you imagine if, in slim chances, Trump lost the primary? If he's denied 2020 election for so long no way would be concede the primary lmao
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2023, 05:26:50 PM
Could you imagine if, in slim chances, Trump lost the primary? If he's denied 2020 election for so long no way would be concede the primary lmaoHe claimed almost all the way to the 2016 convention they were going to try and steal it from him even after the RNC had announced he was the nominee.
Trump's uniqueness isn't in claiming his losses were stolen, tons of politicians do that, it's in his insecurity making him need to repeatedly claim it's going to be stolen before the elections.
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 25, 2023, 05:38:21 PM
https://www.electionbettingodds.com/
Love these odds.
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Hillary Clinton
2.1% to win democratic nom
0.0% to win presidency
Meanwhile
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Michelle Obama
0.0% to win democratic nom
1.9% chance to win presidency
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2023, 05:38:40 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/nhallfreelance/status/1659551717522808832
https://twitter.com/LRonMexico/status/1659356039433560065
https://twitter.com/LRonMexico/status/1659356039433560065
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Post by: Nintex on May 25, 2023, 06:28:34 PM
lmao
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2023, 06:56:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZirGo7c.png)
Post by: Nintex on May 26, 2023, 01:45:53 PM
https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1662141140185890833 (https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1662141140185890833)
https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1661890926044758018 (https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1661890926044758018)
:trumps
Post by: Nintex on May 26, 2023, 02:40:08 PM
Post by: Nintex on May 27, 2023, 07:16:07 AM
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2. They basically tell donors that they’re pretending to run to the right of Trump right now so they can try to trick MAGA voters into supporting him but he fully plans on pivoting to the center if nominated.
Don't worry guys Rob is just pretending to be an asshole :desoy
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2023, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/05/23/hillary_clinton_trump_victory_in_2024_would_be_the_end_of_democracy_in_america_he_would_pull_us_out_of_nato.html
HILLARY CLINTON: Look, if Trump wins, which I do not believe will happen (let me just quickly say that). If in some scenario that were to happen, it would be the end of democracy in the United States, it would be the end of Ukraine. It would become a --you know, he will pull us out of NATO if he wins again. And just like he pulled us out of the Iran deal, he pulled us out of the Paris Accords. He will pull us out of NATO.:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry
And so when you asked this question, I mean, the list of potential disastrous outcomes is longer than I have time to go over with you, but it’s why we can’t permit it to happen.
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 27, 2023, 11:57:47 PM
Post by: team filler on May 28, 2023, 12:10:20 AM
Post by: Nintex on May 28, 2023, 06:41:10 AM
And we now know that she colluded with the CIA and FBI to have Trump arrested(or worse) for treason he didn't commit.
The old NATO won't last much longer anyway, Macron called it 'braindead' and the EU rather wants its own army plus we're not going to join any action against China.
Trump had the right idea by building up more forces in Poland because he knew the Germans relied too much on Russian energy.
He also brought the Saudi's and Israeli's together, effectively creating the strongest military alliance in the Middle East and killed Irans top spy to contain them plus he made significant progress to pacify North Korea.
The last thing Obama and Clinton tried before she was denied her throne was to let ISIS run amock to destroy Syria and establish a Kurdish state on Erdogans doorstep.
And they did that after the fall of Libya already caused so much death and suffering. Most countries in the global south don't see the United States as a protector of freedom anymore but simply a declining imperial power lashing out against its enemies.
Post by: Nintex on May 28, 2023, 04:56:03 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxPQxMAWIAE3TOa?format=jpg)
Post by: Nintex on May 31, 2023, 02:45:27 AM
https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1663710669097648128 (https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1663710669097648128)
Post by: Nintex on June 01, 2023, 06:24:43 AM
Also Trump has trashed many people but "Milktoast" is apparently where he went too far, her simps are pissed.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2023, 07:32:15 PM
Post by: team filler on June 05, 2023, 08:08:08 PM
dems in trouble if he gets the nom tbh
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2023, 09:37:44 AM
https://twitter.com/wrong_speak/status/1665804004910153730A party is not nominating, and a country is not electing, a closeted gay man with no wife or children. :doge
dems in trouble if he gets the nom tbh
Two points in my mind. The idea that systematic racism doesn't exist in America is laughable. At the same time the idea that systematic racism's existence means black people are little more than pawns with no agency, incapable of doing anything to better themselves (outside of vote, of course :doge ) is clearly brain poison that our forefathers rejected in far harsher times than today. I don't think it's a coincidence that most of the noteworthy movements of the last decade were largely focused on appealing to white people. BLM was the ultimate white guilt solution. Feel bad that you decided to withdraw your child from school because some black kids are now enrolled? For a $20 donation you can be absolved. It was like flying on a private jet and then planting a tree. Except you don't actually plant the tree, the money just goes into somebody's pocket to buy mansions and champagne.
There has been a clear ideological shift on black activism and the results are ugly. Community outreach/work is sidelined. Begging white people for awards and positions is preferred. The result has been an influx of new, successful, corporate friendly black elites in academia/arts/business while the community is ignored. This is what happens when you measure progress by who is winning Oscars instead of how many of your 6th graders can fucking read. This is what happens when community activists doing work are ignored (or killed...look up Darren Seals) while people like DeRay become the face of the movement. And just like white suburban moms sending $20 to BLM, corporations have decided to bring in people like DeRay as paid consultants on #diversity while doing nothing for black people. It's all a grift focused on making white people feel better and black people feel seen.
Post by: team filler on June 07, 2023, 09:45:14 AM
Post by: Nintex on June 07, 2023, 02:58:20 PM
It's gonna be like Ben Carson all over again, where everyone involved in the Republican primary is racist af against the guy except Orange Man.
Trump/Scott 2024
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2023, 03:40:31 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 10, 2023, 03:54:24 PM
Post by: Occam on June 17, 2023, 06:23:30 PM
So you are telling me that very intolerant religion is actually very intolerant?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQTsHiMX0AIRDKl.jpg)
Post by: team filler on June 17, 2023, 10:25:46 PM
Post by: Nintex on June 18, 2023, 03:55:28 PM
Post by: Himu on June 21, 2023, 06:08:15 AM
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Social Conservatism in U.S. Highest in About a Decade
Story Highlights
38% say they are conservative on social issues, up from 33% last year
Highest percentage saying they are socially conservative since 2012
44% say they are economically conservative, also highest since 2012
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The results are based on Gallup’s annual Values and Beliefs survey, conducted May 1-24. The survey comes at a time when many states are considering policies regarding transgender matters, abortion, crime, drug use and the teaching of gender and sexuality in schools.
The increase in conservative identification on social issues over the past two years is seen among nearly all political and demographic subgroups. Republicans show one of the largest increases, from 60% in 2021 to 74% today. Independents show a modest uptick of five percentage points, from 24% to 29%, while there has been no change among Democrats (10% in both 2021 and 2023).
ONE OF US!
ONE OF US!
ONE OF US!
(https://i.imgur.com/PeMtq0b.gif)
https://twitter.com/JesseBWatters/status/1667323188722962433
Remember Lock Her Up? Anyone? Anybody?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned
So you are telling me that very intolerant religion is actually very intolerant?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQTsHiMX0AIRDKl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YsNmzzn.gif)
God bless this country which allows us to do this. God bless the Muslims for doing what the Christians have been unable or unwilling to do.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2023, 11:18:03 AM
:point
Barely a week goes by at work where I don't hear some republican finance bro sound suicidal at the prospect of voting for DeSantis or Trump.
Post by: Himu on June 21, 2023, 11:57:39 PM
Post by: Himu on June 22, 2023, 07:34:07 PM
what a bunch of cunts
Post by: Occam on June 25, 2023, 04:23:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D4o_NuUa9w
Post by: Nintex on June 26, 2023, 03:14:20 AM
WW3 stopped
Post by: Nintex on June 27, 2023, 10:40:34 AM
:trumps
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 27, 2023, 12:32:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0wJxUTN.png)
Post by: Nintex on June 27, 2023, 02:26:00 PM
:trumps
Post by: Occam on June 27, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
:trumps
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2023, 09:43:08 PM
https://twitter.com/BigFish3000/status/1673544570242584576 (https://twitter.com/BigFish3000/status/1673544570242584576)
:trumps
The US has military attack plans for multiple countries. The sources from the meeting said Miley was making the argument that attacking Iran would be idiotic.
Post by: james on July 03, 2023, 01:07:38 AM
https://twitter.com/DeSantisWarRoom/status/1674899610379116546
Post by: team filler on July 03, 2023, 02:39:58 AM
nintex is the dutch ian miles cheong of the bore. except nintex is funny and taking the piss most of the timehttps://twitter.com/BigFish3000/status/1673544570242584576 (https://twitter.com/BigFish3000/status/1673544570242584576)
:trumps
The US has military attack plans for multiple countries. The sources from the meeting said Miley was making the argument that attacking Iran would be idiotic.
Post by: Nintex on July 04, 2023, 03:06:15 PM
lmao
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on July 04, 2023, 04:09:14 PM
#nintex
Post by: Nintex on July 05, 2023, 05:48:27 PM
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1676679885199233024 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1676679885199233024)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0TM6qPXoAEQXb1?format=jpg)
Post by: Himu on July 06, 2023, 07:58:59 AM
Good Lord. Thankfully the Obama's are safe.
Post by: Nintex on July 07, 2023, 02:16:03 PM
Post by: james on July 18, 2023, 09:06:41 PM
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2023, 07:39:06 AM
:trumps :juche
Post by: Nintex on July 20, 2023, 05:23:20 PM
:batman
Post by: Himu on July 22, 2023, 08:11:58 PM
I wish there was nuance.
On one hand I'm against victim mentality. On the other, I think that sweeping under the rug the realities of the treatment of black people and other races and white washing it is evil. I'm against equity and giving certain groups a boost but I also think it's important to express the realities these groups have faced and continue to face.
Then I read shit like this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-florida-standards-teach-black-people-benefited-slavery-taught-usef-rcna95418
What's funny is I find myself begging for the return of the Obama era Democratic Party. I would be far more on board with them. I desperately need the Democratic Party to moderate off of its equity business but they won't do that until the Republicans stop fronting Trump and being the headquarters for Bananas Town.
Can't tell what will happen in 2024 as it's far away but at this point I'm feeling write in is the best option.
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2023, 11:44:59 PM
I also don't know if voting locally based on what national media is reporting in a slanted manner about people of unspecific parties in a different state is a very informed or rational voting model.
Post by: Himu on July 23, 2023, 12:15:28 AM
My main problem is federal level politics and a Presidents agenda. Biden administration is heavily invested in wokism. Conservatives are highly invested in anti-wokism. Voting-wise, I vote for both GOP and Democrats depending on the issue and office, but as far as the President goes I just don't know anymore.
But as a corollary, I'm just completely zoinked out about the modern Democratic Party. Even Michigan Dems are absolutely bananas and they're supposed to be reasonable, moderate, lovely Midwesterners and yet..
https://www.newsweek.com/michigan-pronoun-bill-probably-unconstitutional-first-amendment-1811232
I'm just stuck in the middle. I support guns, I support abortion (to a limit). I don't support equity and anti-American "white people are evil" reactionary "history", I don't like portraying certain evils America did as a "silver lining" and "they did it too". I support decriminalization of drugs, I don't support people smoking weed publicly. I don't support gay marriage on a personal basis, I also don't think it's a governments job to enforce who can and can't get married. Of course no one party can fit anyone's views but some of these make for extreme overlaps in disagreement.
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2023, 12:33:28 AM
I would assume, with no evidence I can present to you as it is the aggregate of my impression of you over the years, if you start putting in your economic positions your answer would shift to the Green Party. But, like the Democrats, they are just as committed to social justice and so will abandon the bulk of their liberal positions for it when pushed. Foreign policy is perhaps their only consistent refusal to do so, but when it comes to things like the environment they strongly support a massive unceasing police state.
Post by: Himu on July 23, 2023, 01:12:55 AM
"Hey everyone! It's like the 1960's! Let's go protest!" is probably the most boring thing imaginable to me now. I also dislike doomerism tied to Climate Activists and Greens are largely tied to that. I roll my eyes any time I see some liberal say they can't have kids because "muh climate change" when 100 years ago black people still had kids despite lynchings. It's hard to respect Weak Ass Bitchism. Also, what do you want me to do about climate change? What steps are you taking besides crying about it?
So Greens are no no.
Post by: Nintex on July 23, 2023, 05:23:05 PM
The internet and social-media will be censored and controlled more than it is today by 3 letter agencies. You will get more diversity hires but fewer problems are being fixed, instead the problems will be blamed on others (just like they did with the unvaccinated).
It'll be 4 years of Biden or Kamala rubber stamping corpo globalist legislation they can't even read or understand anymore and the US trying to stamp out rebellions in the corners of the Empire as the world economy tanks further and they remove the gas stove from your house.
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2023, 08:06:52 AM
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2023, 09:25:52 AM
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WASHINGTON — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis announced Thursday that he is directing his state government to launch an inquiry into Bud Light's parent company, AB InBev, over its partnership with transgender social media influencer Dylan Mulvaney.
DeSantis, who's running for the GOP presidential nomination, accused the beverage company of not following its "fiduciary duty" to shareholders and pensioners by collaborating with Mulvaney.
"When you start pursuing a political agenda at the expense of your shareholders, that’s not just impacting very wealthy people. It impacts hardworking people who were police officers, firefighters and teachers in terms of the pension," DeSantis said in an interview on Fox News.
He continued: "So we’re going to be launching an inquiry about Bud Light and InBev, and it could be something that leads to a derivative lawsuit filed on behalf of the shareholders of the Florida pension fund because at the end of the day, there’s got to be penalties when you put business aside to focus on your social agenda at the expense of hardworking people."
DeSantis said Florida had $53 million worth of InBev stock in Florida's pension funds of about $180 billion. The governor claimed that shareholders were affected after sales of Bud Light declined as a result of conservative backlash to the beer brand after it worked with Mulvaney.
Asked for a response, an Anheuser-Busch spokesperson told NBC News: "Anheuser-Busch InBev takes our responsibility to our shareholders, employees, distributors and customers seriously. We are focused on driving long-term, sustainable growth for them by optimizing our business and providing consumers products to enjoy for any occasion."
DeSantis' office pointed to a letter he posted on Twitter on Friday morning that he sent to the interim executive director of the State Board of Administration calling for an inquiry.
(https://i.imgur.com/RcF7ebG.gif)
He's the same as the people he complains about. Utterly unhinged ridiculous. Benji was right about him.
Post by: Sman on July 24, 2023, 10:12:52 AM
If Trump loses that's the end. The war in Ukraine will continue and escalate into a never-ending war Afghanistan situation, the world economy will be further wrecked by climate zealots and unnecessary conflict, crime and corruption will run rampant.
Dude, are you for real? Have you heard Trump's "plans" to stop the Ukraine war in 24 hrs? When pressed for actual details (and if you take him at his word), escalation (the threat of it anyway) is the key to convince Putin to come and negotiate. Some escalation is bound to happen no matter who is US president in 2025.
That is if the war is not over by then. The Western alliance is more fragile than it looks when it comes to Ukraine. And Russia is on very shaky grounds economically and politically in the next few years. Sooner or later, negotiations are bound to happen no matter who is in the White House. We already have a rough outlook of how it will likely look like (some sort of rapid EU accession, Europe picking up most of the tab for reconstruction, US security guarantees instead of NATO membership, tough compromises on territory, some sort of token Chinese rubber stamp, flow of Western weapons continues).
If Ukraine does not make decisive gains soon, this is likely going to be a frozen conflict and 10-20 years from now, problems are bound to happen again since the peace was not won in a rush for a cease-fire.
Post by: james on July 24, 2023, 10:31:13 AM
https://www.mediaite.com/news/maggie-haberman-source-says-bonkers-anti-lgbtq-attack-on-trump-was-made-by-desantis-camp-and-passed-off-to-a-supporter/
And now theres a new campaign video
A video which features Ron DeSantis that includes a symbol often associated with neo-Nazi groups has been met with outrage after it was allegedly retweeted by his campaign team.
https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-nazi-symbol-campaign-sonnenrad-1814801
Post by: BIONIC on July 24, 2023, 10:45:55 AM
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He's the same as the people he complains about. Utterly unhinged ridiculous.
:thinking
Post by: Nintex on July 24, 2023, 06:41:13 PM
Those in power knew that Ukraine did not have a force with enough training and weapons to pull off the counter attack. And they pressed on the attack anyway.If Trump loses that's the end. The war in Ukraine will continue and escalate into a never-ending war Afghanistan situation, the world economy will be further wrecked by climate zealots and unnecessary conflict, crime and corruption will run rampant.
Dude, are you for real? Have you heard Trump's "plans" to stop the Ukraine war in 24 hrs? When pressed for actual details (and if you take him at his word), escalation (the threat of it anyway) is the key to convince Putin to come and negotiate. Some escalation is bound to happen no matter who is US president in 2025.
That is if the war is not over by then. The Western alliance is more fragile than it looks when it comes to Ukraine. And Russia is on very shaky grounds economically and politically in the next few years. Sooner or later, negotiations are bound to happen no matter who is in the White House. We already have a rough outlook of how it will likely look like (some sort of rapid EU accession, Europe picking up most of the tab for reconstruction, US security guarantees instead of NATO membership, tough compromises on territory, some sort of token Chinese rubber stamp, flow of Western weapons continues).
If Ukraine does not make decisive gains soon, this is likely going to be a frozen conflict and 10-20 years from now, problems are bound to happen again since the peace was not won in a rush for a cease-fire.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1683331924222255104 (https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1683331924222255104)
I figured the whole thing was a bluff (and a rather smart one) at first. Ukraine threatens massive counter attack, Putin fears he might lose his precious Crimea.
Never in a million years did I expect the Ukrainians to drive $26 million tanks into minefields with no back-up or air cover. Just like I didn't expect Putin to be stupid enough to actually invade.
Anyway the tab for reconstruction has already been paid for in advance. Zelensky has sold out his country to Blackrock and other investment banks as well as the military industrial complex.
Based on all the fancy presentations Ukraine is basically going to be the perfect digital corporate dystopia. Make no mistake, after Syria and the attempt to go to war with Iran, Ukraine is the last stop for a proxy war with Russia.
After Ukraine there's only a direct conflict with Russia left. One that many in the US foreign policy establishment are willing to start sooner rather than later.
Biden will simply get a cue card: "YOU will launch OPERATION STRAWBERRY ICE CREAM to liberate Ukraine and free the people of the Russian Federation"
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2023, 11:39:47 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 25, 2023, 10:52:23 AM
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2023, 02:12:36 PM
Superman/Batman
World's Finest!
Post by: Nintex on July 25, 2023, 06:05:31 PM
:rogan / :info
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2023, 11:34:05 PM
Superman/BatmanLet's see his birth certificate. :hmph
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2023, 11:36:43 PM
Post by: Himu on July 26, 2023, 12:15:53 AM
Superman/BatmanLet's see his birth certificate. :hmph
In Superman: Man of Steel 80's comic, a bad storm happened immediately after they found Clark. They were cut off from the rest of Smallville for until the snow melted so everyone figured Martha gave birth to him. Clark was given a genuine birth certificate.
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2023, 12:55:04 AM
Post by: james on July 26, 2023, 02:57:41 PM
Post by: BIONIC on July 26, 2023, 03:01:33 PM
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 26, 2023, 03:54:18 PM
Post by: Sman on July 26, 2023, 05:29:03 PM
The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping.
What do you mean I'm not helping?
Post by: Nintex on July 26, 2023, 06:23:33 PM
Post by: team filler on July 26, 2023, 10:30:24 PM
The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping.interlinked :smug
Post by: MMaRsu on July 27, 2023, 10:48:04 AM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2023, 11:42:07 AM
Post by: Himu on July 28, 2023, 05:50:05 AM
I still think Trump wins the nom but he's been coasting lately. If he had a legit contender he'd be in trouble, but I just don't buy DeSantis having the balls or talent to take him down. Trump is barely even running a campaign, it's just nonstop bitching online.
I agree.
Post by: Occam on July 28, 2023, 11:05:07 AM
Post by: team filler on July 28, 2023, 12:30:19 PM
:kermit
Post by: Occam on July 29, 2023, 02:13:52 AM
Where the republicans are going, they don't need school libraries.
Who needs freedom of knowledge when you have freedom of speech?
Post by: Sman on July 29, 2023, 06:46:35 AM
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2023/07/26/hisd-to-eliminate-librarians-turn-libraries-into-discipline-centers-at-28-campuses/
Where the republicans are going, they don't need school libraries.
Who needs freedom of knowledge when you have freedom of speech?
Ignorance is strength.
Post by: Nintex on July 29, 2023, 06:52:34 AM
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This comes as part of the new superintendent Mike Miles reform program, New Education System (NES).
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yceJ_Z35c_4/maxresdefault.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt7IETJvFuUThis is fucking terrible it doesn't even match the rhythm or the song.
Even in the age of AI these neocon clowns can't meme. :lol
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2023, 08:54:29 AM
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2023/07/26/hisd-to-eliminate-librarians-turn-libraries-into-discipline-centers-at-28-campuses/Don't worry, the kids will be fine, Biden and a bipartisan Congress are pushing to protect them by wrecking the internet (https://www.techdirt.com/2023/07/26/pass-it-pass-it-pass-it-pass-it-pass-it-the-president-says-about-a-bill-the-gop-says-will-be-useful-to-silence-lgbtq-voices/). :american
Where the republicans are going, they don't need school libraries.
Who needs freedom of knowledge when you have freedom of speech?
Post by: Nintex on July 29, 2023, 01:49:54 PM
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2023, 03:10:09 PM
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2023/07/26/hisd-to-eliminate-librarians-turn-libraries-into-discipline-centers-at-28-campuses/
Where the republicans are going, they don't need school libraries.
Who needs freedom of knowledge when you have freedom of speech?
Agreed it is despicable.
Post by: Nintex on July 29, 2023, 07:15:07 PM
:lol
Post by: Nintex on July 31, 2023, 06:13:59 PM
https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1685485239479468032 (https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1685485239479468032)
:trumps :rogan :six: :social
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1686085203347849217 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1686085203347849217)
The regime is done
Post by: james on August 01, 2023, 07:35:07 PM
Post by: Himu on August 02, 2023, 12:18:21 PM
THIS IS IT BOYS THEY GOT TRUMP
We'll see what happens. The co-conspirator stuff is madness.
Post by: Sman on August 02, 2023, 01:27:51 PM
Bombshell after Bombshell. The walls are closing in.
https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1685485239479468032 (https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1685485239479468032)
:trumps :rogan :six: :social
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1686085203347849217 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1686085203347849217)
The regime is done
I think the porn star stuff will only result with a slap on the wrist. But the hording of secret documents, most specifically obstructing their retrieval and of course the crazy Jan 6th stuff. Destroyed by his ego.
He could have lived comfortably as an ex-president, be a GOP king maker, enjoy being a mega celebrity and collecting his foreign bribes for services rendered as president. But no, he had to fly closer to the sun.
:trumps
Post by: james on August 02, 2023, 01:29:57 PM
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on August 02, 2023, 02:10:38 PM
Post by: Occam on August 03, 2023, 07:35:07 AM
Post by: Transhuman on August 03, 2023, 09:24:07 AM
https://twitter.com/seth_hettena/status/1686750210180198400
"Maybe" ?!?
Sounds like her tits do belong to him
Post by: Sman on August 03, 2023, 01:51:21 PM
https://twitter.com/seth_hettena/status/1686750210180198400
"Maybe" ?!?
Sounds like her tits do belong to him
I'm getting curious about those tits now...
(https://abload.de/img/dunphy5dfgb.jpg)
nah I can live with the mystery.
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 03, 2023, 02:36:14 PM
Post by: Occam on August 03, 2023, 02:52:40 PM
If he wasn't in favor of some leftwing ideas, MAGATs would love him.
Post by: Nintex on August 03, 2023, 03:14:19 PM
:hesright
https://twitter.com/Kogz/status/1687181436472668161 (https://twitter.com/Kogz/status/1687181436472668161)
it's happening
:rogan :trumps :info
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 03, 2023, 05:04:02 PM
Post by: Occam on August 03, 2023, 05:24:50 PM
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2023, 02:10:39 AM
https://archive.is/og9fv
https://youtube.com/shorts/OjLSTv2hVtE?
Reading Brooks' columns is a waste of time and brain space (dishonest, flawed/twisted logic, willful ignorance). But given that he is an American "conservative" who publicly towed the party line for decades, he absolutely is one of the bad guys here. He and his ilk paved the road for Trump.
Brooks is correct. Liberals' values have led to increased depression, more isolation, corporatism that places values on careers above family. In many ways, the liberal elites are the bad guys. They've forced their values on to all of society with the premise that they alone are correct and that every where forward is better.
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2023, 02:14:21 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-02/central-park-among-sites-nyc-is-considering-for-housing-migrants
Post by: benjipwns on August 04, 2023, 12:02:40 PM
They've forced their values on to all of society with the premise that they alone are correct and that every where forward is better.This is literally what David Brooks believes. He's always believed that the elite, defined as people like him, are entitled to order all of society to please their personal interests.
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2023, 01:31:54 PM
They've forced their values on to all of society with the premise that they alone are correct and that every where forward is better.This is literally what David Brooks believes. He's always believed that the elite, defined as people like him, are entitled to order all of society to please their personal interests.
Yes that's why I said Brooks is correct. Pretty soon it'll be a crime to not put your pronouns in emails. It's a specific type of "progressive" and white that does it.
This is also why I reject things like white feminism. It's them forcing us to believe one paradigm. I'm with the working class on this despite being "educated" and born in a middle class family. The working class is correct on this issue and not everything "progressive" is actually progress. This is a big reason for my shift: for so long, I thought we - as in liberals - were right. No. We were wrong. Utterly and completely. About everything.
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2023, 02:36:35 PM
Interview with Obama historian. Good shit.
Post by: team filler on August 04, 2023, 11:05:56 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2023, 12:43:46 PM
Finally
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2023, 01:07:36 PM
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/david-garrow-interview-obama
Interview with Obama historian. Good shit.
What's good about it. Very weird, oddly biased historical look at Obama. I've noticed a two front war on this. On the right, there's the argument that Obama is the origin of wokeness, racial animosity, diversity, anti-American sentiment, etc; of course, none of them can point to a single thing Obama said or did that was hostile to whites. On the left there's an attempt to essentially erase Obama from history as a meaningless prelude to 2016. I saw a twitter thread over the weekend from some leftist making the argument that Obama didn't do one thing of note. Of course when confronted with Obamacare his response was "oh yea." Tens of millions of people gaining affordable health care coverage is apparently a nothingburger because it wasn't the desired policy version. And in the interview you link, Obamacare is mentioned once in a dismissive tone followed by a weird argument about how the only reason Obama cared about healthcare was in order to counter Hillary Clinton. Yes. The man put his presidency on the line in order to settle a primary election battle that he had already won. Huh.
Then there's the obsession with "Obama's women." I can't help but notice obvious racial undertones in this obsession, and it's confirmed with the conflation/comparison between Obama's university girlfriends and MLK's mistress. As if those are the same things. As if this is two black men with one public face, who lived different lives privately with other women. I'd have no issue with delving into previous relationships - something that's common in biographies - if the framing wasn't so deliberately ugly.
Post by: benjipwns on August 07, 2023, 03:05:31 PM
What's good about it. Very weird, oddly biased historical look at Obama.Shocking:
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Garrow
In 2019, Garrow read Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) files about Martin Luther King Jr.[11][12] Garrow wrote an article about King, in part based on his interpretation of the FBI files, which he submitted to the Atlantic, the Washington Post, New York Times and The Guardian, all of which rejected it.[13] The article was published in the now-defunct British conservative magazine Standpoint. Garrow wrote that the files suggest King may have encouraged and failed to prevent sexual violence. He said that he was reassessing his view of King.
Many authors called Garrow's claim unreliable. Garrow's reliance on a handwritten note addended to a typed report is considered poor scholarship by several authorities. Peter Ling of the University of Nottingham pointed out that Garrow was excessively credulous, if not naive, in accepting the accuracy of FBI reports during a period when the FBI was undertaking a massive operation to attempt to discredit King as part of its COINTELPRO activities.[14] Garrow had earlier referred to Ling's work on King, widely considered authoritative, as "thoughtful, perceptive, and thoroughly well-informed".[15] Experts in 20th-century American history, including Jeanne Theoharis, Barbara Ransby of the University of Illinois at Chicago, N. D. B. Connolly of Johns Hopkins University and Glenda Gilmore of Yale University have expressed reservations about Garrow's scholarship. Theoharis commented "Most scholars I know would penalize graduate students for doing this." It is not the first time the care and rigor of Garrow's work has been called into serious question.[16] The long-time civil rights activist Edith Lee-Payne suggested Garrow may have published his work in the area to obtain "personal attention" for himself.[14]
On the right, there's the argument that Obama is the origin of wokeness, racial animosity, diversity, anti-American sentiment, etc; of course, none of them can point to a single thing Obama said or did that was hostile to whites. On the left there's an attempt to essentially erase Obama from history as a meaningless prelude to 2016. I saw a twitter thread over the weekend from some leftist making the argument that Obama didn't do one thing of note. Of course when confronted with Obamacare his response was "oh yea." Tens of millions of people gaining affordable health care coverage is apparently a nothingburger because it wasn't the desired policy version. And in the interview you link, Obamacare is mentioned once in a dismissive tone followed by a weird argument about how the only reason Obama cared about healthcare was in order to counter Hillary Clinton. Yes. The man put his presidency on the line in order to settle a primary election battle that he had already won. Huh.Amusingly I was going to split this to address both the right and left versions but I realized it's the same exact critique. It rejects history all these people knew at the time. Rightoids know Obama wasn't the origin for any of that stuff because they complained about it before him and they themselves have trumpeted the times Obama has criticized this stuff which he's done multiple times. Lefties have to reject history because Obama himself hasn't moved much and they supported him unconditionally at the time. That guys response about Hillary is especially nutty because Obama was to the left of Hillary in that primary on healthcare, he compromised back towards her position. All the soundbites of Obama attacking personal mandates to buy insurance are from when he was attacking Hillary's plan as not being good enough. And everything really forgets that Obama only had a House for two years, Congressional Democrats wanted to do so much in Biden's first two years because they still remembered 2010 being most of the same people. In 2009-10 they pretty lackadaisically considered themselves to have a new permanent majority, not spending the rest of Obama's terms without the House. (Even though it's what also happened to Bill Clinton.)
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SAMUELS: I talked to the former Israeli prime minister, Ehud Barak, who was defense minister when the Iran deal was moving toward completion. And I asked him, “Well, what do you think is motivating this? “ And he said, “Well, Barack Obama’s not a normal politician. He is this strange combination of a college professor and a person who has ideas about his place in history. He decided that this deal was going to be the reason Barack Obama was going to be on Mount Rushmore. And that’s the reason that they could never let go.” I think he was right.These kinds of Bill Kristol type dudes are so annoying and unlike Kristol most of them have no sense of humor. Not launching another illegal war in Syria as the number one legacy. My man assassinated two American citizens, including a minor, without due process along with the massive illegal surveillance program and all this dude can think about is how upset he is that Obama's Libya disaster wasn't repeated elsewhere. :lol
GARROW: The irony is that the number one legacy of the Obama presidency is going to be the failure to intervene in Syria and the failure to object to Russia taking Crimea and the Donbas.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2023, 03:37:33 PM
What's good about it. Very weird, oddly biased historical look at Obama.Shocking:Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_GarrowIn 2019, Garrow read Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) files about Martin Luther King Jr.[11][12] Garrow wrote an article about King, in part based on his interpretation of the FBI files, which he submitted to the Atlantic, the Washington Post, New York Times and The Guardian, all of which rejected it.[13] The article was published in the now-defunct British conservative magazine Standpoint. Garrow wrote that the files suggest King may have encouraged and failed to prevent sexual violence. He said that he was reassessing his view of King.
Many authors called Garrow's claim unreliable. Garrow's reliance on a handwritten note addended to a typed report is considered poor scholarship by several authorities. Peter Ling of the University of Nottingham pointed out that Garrow was excessively credulous, if not naive, in accepting the accuracy of FBI reports during a period when the FBI was undertaking a massive operation to attempt to discredit King as part of its COINTELPRO activities.[14] Garrow had earlier referred to Ling's work on King, widely considered authoritative, as "thoughtful, perceptive, and thoroughly well-informed".[15] Experts in 20th-century American history, including Jeanne Theoharis, Barbara Ransby of the University of Illinois at Chicago, N. D. B. Connolly of Johns Hopkins University and Glenda Gilmore of Yale University have expressed reservations about Garrow's scholarship. Theoharis commented "Most scholars I know would penalize graduate students for doing this." It is not the first time the care and rigor of Garrow's work has been called into serious question.[16] The long-time civil rights activist Edith Lee-Payne suggested Garrow may have published his work in the area to obtain "personal attention" for himself.[14]On the right, there's the argument that Obama is the origin of wokeness, racial animosity, diversity, anti-American sentiment, etc; of course, none of them can point to a single thing Obama said or did that was hostile to whites. On the left there's an attempt to essentially erase Obama from history as a meaningless prelude to 2016. I saw a twitter thread over the weekend from some leftist making the argument that Obama didn't do one thing of note. Of course when confronted with Obamacare his response was "oh yea." Tens of millions of people gaining affordable health care coverage is apparently a nothingburger because it wasn't the desired policy version. And in the interview you link, Obamacare is mentioned once in a dismissive tone followed by a weird argument about how the only reason Obama cared about healthcare was in order to counter Hillary Clinton. Yes. The man put his presidency on the line in order to settle a primary election battle that he had already won. Huh.Amusingly I was going to split this to address both the right and left versions but I realized it's the same exact critique. It rejects history all these people knew at the time. Rightoids know Obama wasn't the origin for any of that stuff because they complained about it before him and they themselves have trumpeted the times Obama has criticized this stuff which he's done multiple times. Lefties have to reject history because Obama himself hasn't moved much and they supported him unconditionally at the time. That guys response about Hillary is especially nutty because Obama was to the left of Hillary in that primary on healthcare, he compromised back towards her position. All the soundbites of Obama attacking personal mandates to buy insurance are from when he was attacking Hillary's plan as not being good enough. And everything really forgets that Obama only had a House for two years, Congressional Democrats wanted to do so much in Biden's first two years because they still remembered 2010 being most of the same people. In 2009-10 they pretty lackadaisically considered themselves to have a new permanent majority, not spending the rest of Obama's terms without the House. (Even though it's what also happened to Bill Clinton.)QuoteSAMUELS: I talked to the former Israeli prime minister, Ehud Barak, who was defense minister when the Iran deal was moving toward completion. And I asked him, “Well, what do you think is motivating this? “ And he said, “Well, Barack Obama’s not a normal politician. He is this strange combination of a college professor and a person who has ideas about his place in history. He decided that this deal was going to be the reason Barack Obama was going to be on Mount Rushmore. And that’s the reason that they could never let go.” I think he was right.These kinds of Bill Kristol type dudes are so annoying and unlike Kristol most of them have no sense of humor. Not launching another illegal war in Syria as the number one legacy. My man assassinated two American citizens, including a minor, without due process along with the massive illegal surveillance program and all this dude can think about is how upset he is that Obama's Libya disaster wasn't repeated elsewhere. :lol
GARROW: The irony is that the number one legacy of the Obama presidency is going to be the failure to intervene in Syria and the failure to object to Russia taking Crimea and the Donbas.
Exactly, which is why the 2020 primary debates were such a debacle. I've never seen candidates denigrate their (popular) outgoing president the way Obama was treated, and it was the most stark demonstrate of how far certain members of the party have gone left. Specifically the young staffers and "policy" influencers. Meanwhile Biden ran away with the nom while basically just saying "I think Obama was pretty cool." The average MSNBC watching boomer democrat (ie my parents) love Obama. And most younger people like him. It's not a coincidence that he left office very popular and remains so. No amount of twitter-specific griping about diversity (right) or drones (left) will change that.
The funny thing about the professorial critique from the right is that Obama was the exact type of candidate and president republicans want. An ideological, whip smart politician capable of convincing large groups of people to support their policies. They've been stuck running rubes (Reagan, W Bush, McCain, Trump, etc) for decades but they want a true believer who isn't socially distinguished mentally-challenged. Maybe that's why Obama pisses them off so much.
Folks gotta just deal with the reality that the best president of our lifetime will either be Obama or Biden. :doge
Post by: benjipwns on August 07, 2023, 04:11:11 PM
Great example of how much of the pundit-politico class doesn't understand their own base. It's one thing for them to botch understanding the R's, it's another when it's the people they're supposedly speaking for. And they did it twice. They completely misfired on Bernie, for much the same reasons as Trump rather than the specifics of the two men, and then overcompensated completely into thinking the far-left academic-non-profit-media elite bubble is the D coalition. And Biden won both primary and general because he rejected their thesis which stemmed from Hillary's campaign and none of these people ever abandoned. That there was a part of the electorate that would jump back either from Trump or from not-voting if you spoke to their issues. Trump was happy to cooperate by both shooting himself over COVID and believing the same "just energize the base" nonsense Hillary and the elites lost with.
Saw kinda the same thing here in Michigan whereas Whitmer put more effort into trying to expand the map into the suburbs rather than writing them off even though the R's were only barely winning them in the first place when the D's didn't nominate candidates who'd only win in the cities. Yet the D's had been doing this for how many years all over the state except in the UP. I can't remember all the times the D's blew wave elections in the suburbs around Lansing because they'd run a leftie before they finally found Whitmer-Slotkin like candidates. Whitmer became my State Senator and Slotkin my House Rep because they said things like "I respect Mike Rogers but strongly disagree with him" rather than how he was a traitor and stuff like prior candidates. :lol
edit: I think the bulk of the population is "center-left" on economics and "center-right" on socialcultural positions, Trump's power in 2015-16 is that through sheer confusion he was able to appear as if he held these positions. He got everything to focus on free trade and immigration, so he appeared to Hillary's left when she championed global capitalism. On the other axis, she and the media were so insistent on portraying him as far-right on all this stuff when a decade earlier he was to her left on everything that it actually helped sell his new conversion to what was actually not the minority position.
Trump has since abandoned all this to chase his cult (and because he never really believed anything in the first place) which, because the Republicans have to chase him, has ceded all that ground to the Biden-Whitmer Democrats and even Obama is more comfortable there than many to his left or even in the same area as him. DeSantis made essentially the error of trying to hop to Trump's socialcultural right when Trump picks all his positions ad hoc and he's one of the few people who can get away with this. The other Republicans can't win because they're stuck to the old center-right Republican economics and in a primary Trump won't cede the opposition grounds. I think DeSantis' socialcultural focus was because he was trying to finagle this to seem loyal to the old guard and also loyal to Trump's idiosyncratic positions that are actually more in line with most Americans.
I think Biden running again is bailing out the Democrats from fighting over this much as Trump is essentially helping the Republicans also avoid this. Now nobody has to learn anything about the Bernie-Trump tag team until 2028 when probably some other candidate is going to surprise all the "experts" by operating within this majority sphere. I'd favor the Democrats as having this candidate simply because everyone else will run so far to the left that it will incentivize a candidate to target that part of the primary. Bloomberg had the right idea but was the wrong guy for it because he's mostly the inverse of this sphere and weird. (Obviously not to my extent in either case.)
Post by: Himu on August 08, 2023, 02:09:41 PM
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/david-garrow-interview-obama
Interview with Obama historian. Good shit.
What's good about it. Very weird, oddly biased historical look at Obama. I've noticed a two front war on this. On the right, there's the argument that Obama is the origin of wokeness, racial animosity, diversity, anti-American sentiment, etc; of course, none of them can point to a single thing Obama said or did that was hostile to whites. On the left there's an attempt to essentially erase Obama from history as a meaningless prelude to 2016. I saw a twitter thread over the weekend from some leftist making the argument that Obama didn't do one thing of note. Of course when confronted with Obamacare his response was "oh yea." Tens of millions of people gaining affordable health care coverage is apparently a nothingburger because it wasn't the desired policy version. And in the interview you link, Obamacare is mentioned once in a dismissive tone followed by a weird argument about how the only reason Obama cared about healthcare was in order to counter Hillary Clinton. Yes. The man put his presidency on the line in order to settle a primary election battle that he had already won. Huh.
Then there's the obsession with "Obama's women." I can't help but notice obvious racial undertones in this obsession, and it's confirmed with the conflation/comparison between Obama's university girlfriends and MLK's mistress. As if those are the same things. As if this is two black men with one public face, who lived different lives privately with other women. I'd have no issue with delving into previous relationships - something that's common in biographies - if the framing wasn't so deliberately ugly.
I just thought it was an interesting perspective. You claim it's biased. I have no horse in this fight. Even if it's biased, it doesn't take away from the fact it shares an interesting perspective.
As for Obamacare, even that is far from "affordable". It can cost an upward of $500 a month. Hardly affordable. I won't say. it wasn't a legislative victory but as someone that has been on medicaid, I found Obamacare to be wanting in comparison. Of course, this differs from state to state.
I think you're being too sensitive to the interview, although I understand disliking the comparisons with MLK and Obama, I think it comes from the fact he's a public person rather than he's a black man. Other Presidents get similar look at their past loves, whether it's Reagan, Clinton's exploits, JFK's philandering.
I think you're too sensitive to Obama purely because of his blackness. It's understandable, as many black people are similar. But that doesn't mean people can't talk about him or criticize and it having to do directly with his blackness. It comes off as being overly defensive.
I'll admit that for my part, Obama was a pretty good President in hind sight, and I really miss his measured takes and his blue Reaganism, and his penchant to not always voice the latest black topic just because he's a black man, which is what I think is truly needed for today's America. I agree with you that Obama is often pictured as one of the reasons for wokeness and it's not always correct accusation but consider that his administration, supporters, media backers, etc (though very rarely the man himself) all immediately blamed any criticism of him on racism, rather than ever taking the criticism head on. You're even doing it now. But that doesn't and has never reflected his policies or even his temperament or quotes. So while Obama himself didn't support wokeness, those surrounding him (the media, his administration, his supporters) certainly did and absolutely lit flames by taking any criticism aimed at Obama as a racial attack. Obama has always expressed a condemnation of politics of the identity first and foremost. But that's not what this interview is about and I'm not sure why you mentioned it.
Post by: Nintex on August 08, 2023, 03:06:19 PM
I never considered him to be 'woke'.
The most striking bit from Michael Moore's 11/9 documentary about Trumps election is the part where Obama visits Flint Michigan.
While it was already bad that he pretended to drink the water during the televized meeting with the worried residents, he actually put on the same performance during every meeting he had that day.
People genuinely expected Obama came there to help them but he met with the companies and lobbyists, did a quick QA with the locals that had waited all day and told them he drank lead as a kid and got back on his plane.
When Trump arrived later it was an easy win. He toured the plant. Talked to everyone involved and people that wouldn't dream about voting for Trump and still wouldn't, actually felt he had listened to them.
Shortly after the story turns even more dark, as a large live military training is carried out in the polluted area as a sort of final 'fuck you' to those who hadn't moved out.
Obama was also terrible in terms of foreign policy, he fumbled pretty much everything until he replaced Clinton with Kerry. However, we're still paying the price for those costly mistakes.
Removing Gadaffi and trying to topple Assad as well as dragging out Afghanistan did absolutely fucking nothing for security or prosperity. And when there was finally a 'real' genocidal enemy to fight, they had lost their support to act.
But even though he didn't bring the hope and change he promised he could at least speak words. Which already puts him over the current guy by some distance.
I'm not sure if and how the US can be 'saved' from mostly itself but maybe Trump can still prevent WW3.
Post by: team filler on August 08, 2023, 03:36:54 PM
there is no way they would have served him actual tap water to drink. let's be real here. so why would he purposely not drink water he knows is not from the tap? only way he could play both sides. he was able to show the people of flint not to trust the water, and also not piss off anyone at the other end of that. smart guy
Post by: Nintex on August 08, 2023, 03:56:03 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/2fWpv0o8EhcAAAAC/barack-obama-president.gif)
my god
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1688995097390534656 (https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1688995097390534656)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2023, 09:17:24 PM
From this side of the world
RUSSIA?
Post by: tiesto on August 08, 2023, 10:25:12 PM
edit: I think the bulk of the population is "center-left" on economics and "center-right" on socialcultural positions, Trump's power in 2015-16 is that through sheer confusion he was able to appear as if he held these positions. He got everything to focus on free trade and immigration, so he appeared to Hillary's left when she championed global capitalism. On the other axis, she and the media were so insistent on portraying him as far-right on all this stuff when a decade earlier he was to her left on everything that it actually helped sell his new conversion to what was actually not the minority position.
This 100%. Every word.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2023, 10:43:43 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/election-results/2023/ohio-issue-1/
GOP getting wrecked in Ohio tonight, a prelude to November when the abortion vote will occur (and they'll get wrecked again).
Post by: Nintex on August 09, 2023, 06:01:05 PM
No wonder the economy is in the shitter.
Post by: james on August 15, 2023, 12:21:42 AM
Post by: BIONIC on August 15, 2023, 01:05:05 AM
Post by: Nintex on August 15, 2023, 05:37:05 AM
https://twitter.com/TVNewsNow/status/1691264086607085568 (https://twitter.com/TVNewsNow/status/1691264086607085568)
Post by: benjipwns on August 15, 2023, 06:24:08 AM
(http://www.thebore.net/benjipolls2.png)
(http://www.thebore.net/lmaopolls.png)
:girlaff
Post by: Occam on August 18, 2023, 12:45:55 AM
Post by: team filler on August 18, 2023, 01:39:35 AM
They brought out Hillary Clinton, you know it's fucking over.reminds me of shosti :pacspit
https://twitter.com/TVNewsNow/status/1691264086607085568 (https://twitter.com/TVNewsNow/status/1691264086607085568)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2023, 10:31:59 AM
(http://www.thebore.net/benjipolls1.png)
(http://www.thebore.net/benjipolls2.png)
(http://www.thebore.net/lmaopolls.png)
:girlaff
I'd agree with you if there was a popular challenging candidate and if the field wasn't over crowded. Trump won NH in 2016 with 35% of the vote. Then he won SC with 32%. He doesn't need to match the polling you mentioned, he just needs to hold his base and watch his opponents slaughter each other. DeSantis is walking into a slaughter in that first debate. Does he come out of that better than before? Of course not. And someone else on stage will gain enough support to further push Trump ahead in state polling.
This field is worse than 2016 and 2012. Maybe Vikek garners a bump in support but ultimately his heritage/religion/etc cripples him. If he was just a rich white (or black) guy I'd buy his chances at performing solidly past Super Tuesday before bowing out (and endorsing Trump).
Post by: Himu on August 20, 2023, 12:53:32 AM
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2023, 03:42:22 PM
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1693272441403896029 (https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1693272441403896029)
https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1693255882484642202 (https://twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1693255882484642202)
https://twitter.com/PU28453638/status/1693309713604055487 (https://twitter.com/PU28453638/status/1693309713604055487)
Post by: team filler on August 20, 2023, 04:10:21 PM
they just want the ratings back and miss the days when they were making themselves out to be heroes for opposing the new hitler :mueller
Post by: Nintex on August 20, 2023, 07:38:35 PM
He looks dead inside :desoy
Post by: Transhuman on August 21, 2023, 05:41:40 AM
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 21, 2023, 06:56:37 AM
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2023, 02:00:43 PM
Holy shit Ron the Don trailing behind Vivek. Is DeSantis the worst primary candidate of all time?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2023, 03:49:40 PM
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/caucus/2023/08/21/iowa-poll-donald-trump-holds-commanding-lead-5-months-to-caucuses/70624481007/
Right in line with the national polls. Commanding Trump lead, DeSantis in distance second and multiple candidates PERHAPS poised to rise. Tim Scott could be just the type of diverse candidate (black, gay) that Iowa embraces, whereas I don't think Vivek will gain traction there due to his religion.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2023, 04:05:32 PM
PD you were right about DeSantis.
Trump is charismatic, hilarious, gregarious, and has a way of making the most insular personal slights feel like a shared tribulation amongst large groups of people. His enemies are your enemies. His victories are your victories. It's a very powerful emotional response, to the point people don't even see him as an elite rich guy who never worked with his hands a day in his life.
DeSantis is just a charmless loser. The culture war stuff isn't working because he sounds like an unemotional robot and people want/need someone to channel that shit emotionally the way Trump does. It's like a rapper trying to convince you he's a gangster and you're like nah...this isn't you.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://youtu.be/4AVWZwZq_QU
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Post by: Himu on August 21, 2023, 05:29:15 PM
edit: Maybe he is :thinking
I was surprised he didn't have a family until I googled. I never followed him closely.
Post by: benjipwns on August 21, 2023, 10:55:22 PM
Is DeSantis the worst primary candidate of all time?I don't know, is he going to drop out before Iowa like Kamala? He could easily still do better than Elizabeth Warren.
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2023, 11:53:19 PM
Post by: benjipwns on August 22, 2023, 02:11:37 AM
Yeah but neither Kamala nor Warren slipped from polls beating out the top choice candidate (in many cases) to getting a measly 10% and becoming third place. In those well received polls he was in 30% range. Now he's barely in the 10's.Harris was second to Biden in July 2019 after "I was that little girl" (27-15) though Sanders and Warren overtook her after a week and she began the slow decline to irrelevance. Warren was actually ahead of Biden for one day (26.6-26.4) and second (above Bernie) from late September-late November 2019. Harris finished with 0% and Warren finished with 8% and zero states including coming in third in her own state.
DeSantis was only ever within 15 points of Trump for like a week and Trump's plurality period ended when he was first indicted or whatever.
Post by: benjipwns on August 22, 2023, 02:38:19 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/1YQFKpl.png)
Post by: team filler on August 22, 2023, 03:55:33 AM
Post by: Himu on August 22, 2023, 10:59:31 AM
Post by: Himu on August 23, 2023, 01:34:01 PM
I still think DeSantis is a massive loser to lose this kind of lead before even the first debate.
Post by: james on August 23, 2023, 01:42:20 PM
So many classic moments, like little Rubio breaking apart, or Rick Perry derp herping.
I have no interest in this one. Theyre just going to be competing for who can say the work woke the most times.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 24, 2023, 09:15:29 AM
Pence spoke a lot and did exactly what you'd need to do to garner support if most of the base didn't consider you a traitor. Maybe he doesn't gain support however I'm not seeing enough people point out the obvious: him and Vivek did an amazing job driving that debate and sidelining DeSantis. I'm seeing conservatives say DeSantis took no damage, made no mistakes etc. That's the type of argument you make about a FRONT RUNNER. Not a guy down 40 points.
Last night made it clear...this is Trump's party. Those who dance to his tune (Vivek) will stay around. Those who denigrate him (Asa, Christie) will be gone in late January or February next year.
North Dakota Guy was the only semi-normal person on stage btw.
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 24, 2023, 01:37:42 PM
Post by: Occam on August 24, 2023, 05:23:35 PM
Post by: Himu on August 25, 2023, 05:36:58 PM
https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1695092777749549497
https://twitter.com/ElPooopi/status/1695094941280825656
https://twitter.com/HULETTSC/status/1695159732615647556
https://twitter.com/MTGrepp/status/1695092971346297274
:sabu :sabu :sabu
Post by: Himu on August 26, 2023, 12:49:22 AM
:sabu
Post by: james on August 28, 2023, 02:06:10 PM
Post by: james on August 28, 2023, 02:14:03 PM
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1695931894045544506
Post by: james on August 29, 2023, 01:11:13 PM
Cross your fingers everyone florida might finally get destroyed this week
Rednecks are about to learn what happens when ocean goes up
https://twitter.com/NWSTallahassee/status/1696544257451216896
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2023, 04:51:14 PM
Post by: team filler on August 29, 2023, 05:42:24 PM
:girlaff
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 30, 2023, 10:59:52 AM
Post by: Himu on August 30, 2023, 12:10:33 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 30, 2023, 03:09:01 PM
https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1696215477733732487 (https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1696215477733732487)
https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1695558265952727417 (https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1695558265952727417)
https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1696682724394713259 (https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1696682724394713259)
Post by: Himu on August 30, 2023, 03:58:19 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 30, 2023, 05:51:03 PM
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1695624643422363847 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1695624643422363847)
Trump is literally latching on any demographic to replace single white women, students having their debt erased and RINO's :doge
But the polls show the math is actually working so far. His support among minorities is up.
Post by: benjipwns on August 30, 2023, 06:27:51 PM
Trump is literally latching on any demographic to replace single white women(https://i.imgur.com/A7U4jR3.png)
???
Post by: team filler on August 30, 2023, 06:41:00 PM
Post by: benjipwns on August 30, 2023, 06:52:36 PM
Post by: Nintex on August 30, 2023, 08:08:12 PM
Post by: team filler on August 30, 2023, 08:27:45 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2023, 10:36:00 AM
Even conservatives still can't figure Trump out. It doesn't matter what is said or done. His people support him. This isn't going to be a race determined by facts or deeds. It's about who is the best avatar for retribution.
Post by: Nintex on August 31, 2023, 01:36:12 PM
Trump just keeps going up in the polls :doge
https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1697258754260304194 (https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1697258754260304194)
As he posts more and more clips :lol
Post by: james on August 31, 2023, 03:03:08 PM
Maybe don't wish for the pain of others.
try and stop me bitch
:sicko
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2023, 04:12:19 PM
Post by: james on August 31, 2023, 04:42:51 PM
I figured you'd be more sympathetic about boiling hot water bubbling up and harming loved ones, James.
because of my avatar?
Post by: Himu on August 31, 2023, 04:47:44 PM
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1696895348503892275 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1696895348503892275)
Trump just keeps going up in the polls :doge
https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1697258754260304194 (https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1697258754260304194)
As he posts more and more clips :lol
After 2022 who cares about polls? They mean jack shit.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2023, 05:09:23 PM
I figured you'd be more sympathetic about boiling hot water bubbling up and harming loved ones, James.
because of my avatar?
The rabbit.
Post by: james on August 31, 2023, 05:59:09 PM
I figured you'd be more sympathetic about boiling hot water bubbling up and harming loved ones, James.
because of my avatar?
The rabbit.
I am very confused
Post by: Nintex on September 01, 2023, 04:20:02 PM
:desoy
Post by: Himu on September 01, 2023, 09:48:44 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 02, 2023, 03:56:28 PM
this campaign is so based
Post by: Occam on September 06, 2023, 11:23:59 AM
Post by: team filler on September 07, 2023, 07:20:11 AM
:lol
Post by: Nintex on September 07, 2023, 02:19:59 PM
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1699513437770993873 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1699513437770993873)
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1699525172456300782 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1699525172456300782)
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1699744638385451053 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1699744638385451053)
:pika
Post by: Occam on September 07, 2023, 11:41:55 PM
:pika
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2023, 02:10:52 AM
Post by: Himu on September 08, 2023, 09:53:16 AM
*Rubs hands together*
The affirmative action part. YES!
Post by: Nintex on September 08, 2023, 05:12:53 PM
The part where they claim Bidens crime bill wasn't racist :dead
Post by: team filler on September 08, 2023, 06:15:23 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 13, 2023, 06:21:35 PM
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1702069434167214366 (https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1702069434167214366)
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2023, 06:22:59 PM
Can't wait for the ratings
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2023, 03:24:25 PM
DeSantis' people getting real mad. Just monitoring the right wing civil war going on right now I can't help but think DeSantis has completely miscalculated. What other conclusion can you come to, based on the polling over the last month (including all the post-debate ones). They think this nomination is going to be driven by online-centric culture war shit. Trans shit, vaccines, lockdowns. In reality, no one is thinking about that shit. We all saw the debate. How many times did trans shit come up? Not once. How many times did "woke" get uttered? I may have heard it a couple times but that's it. That shit is not moving the needle. Speaking of the needle, most people are not obsessing over covid vaccines anymore. Hundreds of millions of people got the vaccine, and hundreds of millions of people are still doing perfectly fine. I applaud Trump for how the government managed to speed up the vaccine creation. It's working. And we know this in part because we can look at data from countries with vaccines that didn't work (China, Russia).
So if it's not gonna be trans shit or vaccines what will it be? I think republicans just want to win, and the last guy who won for them was Trump. They want to win, they want retribution, they want to punish people who make them feel stupid/racist/etc. That's all it is. And they don't care what Trump says or does. He's their guy. And until DeSantis finds a subgroup of republicans larger than that? He's fucked.
Post by: Himu on September 15, 2023, 04:59:43 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 15, 2023, 07:49:51 PM
Biden is fading fast.
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1702786020465369269 (https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1702786020465369269)
What will this look like after another year of phony court cases and Trump PR stunts. :doge
When will the Democrats pull the plug on Biden.
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2023, 11:44:39 PM
When will the Democrats pull the plug on Biden.When did the Republicans pull the plug on Trump? (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html)
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2023, 12:20:05 AM
Post by: benjipwns on September 16, 2023, 12:49:03 AM
Biden is the first president in how many generations to not get his party shit wrecked in the midterms despite being the party in power.They lost the House.
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2023, 01:03:44 AM
Biden is the first president in how many generations to not get his party shit wrecked in the midterms despite being the party in power.They lost the House.
Narrow majority. Point missed.
Post by: benjipwns on September 16, 2023, 01:49:15 AM
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2023, 02:31:59 AM
Post by: Nintex on September 16, 2023, 09:42:06 AM
Post by: benjipwns on September 16, 2023, 06:21:28 PM
Point missed.
Point missed.I didn't miss the point, I challenged something false that was said.
Post by: MMaRsu on September 17, 2023, 08:39:16 AM
lmao republican clowns :neogaf
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 17, 2023, 12:40:00 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 17, 2023, 04:01:40 PM
Post by: team filler on September 17, 2023, 04:31:58 PM
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2023, 04:06:58 AM
https://twitter.com/Eve6/status/1703267381978726506(https://i.imgur.com/k4WEE7m.png)
He stopped tweeting this eventually so presumably he was arrested and we just never heard about it. Currently is Vox's legal reporter.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2023, 10:36:13 AM
I'm not concerned about general election polls in fall 2023. As I've said before, show me a path of Trump winning MI/PA/WI. I don't see one. It'll be a high turnout election and an onslaught of early voting/mail ballots will kill republicans again. Am I thrilled about Biden? No. At the same time he has been a surprisingly good and effective president.
I also think it's clear some pro-Trump groups are flooding junk polls, similarly to what happened last fall. No, Trump isn't winning 12% of the black vote. No, Trump isn't winning suburban women. Trump isn't really running a campaign for president right now, he's running an influence operation. Is he beating DeSantis? Yes. But given the recent scramble from his people to put boots on the ground in Iowa it seems like they feel something is off. The Biden/general election polls are basically him projecting an aura of strength but that shit falls apart if he loses Iowa. And I do expect that he will lose Iowa; Evangelicals seem to have moved on from him. Do I think Trump wins the nom? I think he starts winning immediately after Iowa, sweeps the south on Super Tuesday, and wins most Midwest primaries. Basically I think we're gonna see a slightly weaker version of what he did in 2016, and DeSantis will end up retreating to Florida for a last stand on March 19th.
Post by: Nintex on September 18, 2023, 06:10:42 PM
Post by: team filler on September 18, 2023, 06:57:14 PM
Post by: Nintex on September 24, 2023, 08:31:30 AM
:pika
:trumps
Post by: team filler on September 24, 2023, 08:40:03 AM
:rejoice :trumps
Post by: Nintex on September 25, 2023, 03:03:08 PM
another Trump W
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1706391862049661389 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1706391862049661389)
+10 :trumps
Post by: Cauliflower Of Love on September 27, 2023, 04:07:41 PM
Post by: team filler on September 28, 2023, 12:26:31 AM
:birb these are bore level tactics :neogaf
mr ducks would have worked better here tbh :doge
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2023, 12:32:42 AM
:birb these are bore level tactics :neogaf(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7FTQEeWgAARk6u?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: Nintex on September 28, 2023, 03:04:09 AM
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1707215338750849283 (https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1707215338750849283)
:desoy
Post by: Nintex on September 30, 2023, 08:20:55 AM
Post by: Nintex on October 02, 2023, 06:06:24 PM
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1708933567395270896 (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1708933567395270896)
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1708944918138232875 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1708944918138232875)
Post by: Nintex on October 03, 2023, 12:25:26 PM
https://twitter.com/itsJeffTiedrich/status/1708930154372735254 (https://twitter.com/itsJeffTiedrich/status/1708930154372735254)
https://twitter.com/PU28453638/status/1709215354201764001 (https://twitter.com/PU28453638/status/1709215354201764001)
Post by: Himu on October 06, 2023, 12:54:42 AM
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2023, 02:21:31 AM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/King_Otter2/status/1710016988230099300
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Post by: Sman on October 07, 2023, 04:17:45 AM
You have to hand it to the Democrats, all they managed to do is get Trump in New York for 2 days in a row to complain about the migrant issue during the only possible time the entire city would agree with him :doge
https://twitter.com/itsJeffTiedrich/status/1708930154372735254 (https://twitter.com/itsJeffTiedrich/status/1708930154372735254)
https://twitter.com/PU28453638/status/1709215354201764001 (https://twitter.com/PU28453638/status/1709215354201764001)
:snore
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on October 08, 2023, 04:25:29 PM
And everyone who laughed about Mexico paying: Imagine if Mexico didn't have an escape route for people who might be inclined to advocate for change.
Post by: team filler on October 08, 2023, 05:28:17 PM
my brother used to work driving a bus for field workers. they are brought in from mexico legally to work. he would drive all the way down and pick them up, then they live in shitty motels here during the season and go back after. at any time they can just decide to not go back.
the border stuff is nonsense on so many levels.
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2023, 11:22:52 PM
I'm this fucking close to voting for President Penitentiary.
Post by: team filler on October 08, 2023, 11:44:30 PM
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2023, 11:45:31 PM
Post by: team filler on October 09, 2023, 12:35:22 AM
Post by: Himu on October 09, 2023, 12:58:01 AM
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on October 12, 2023, 11:26:52 AM
immigration from mexico has been much lower than in the past. the people going to the southern border are from further south of mexico.
my brother used to work driving a bus for field workers. they are brought in from mexico legally to work. he would drive all the way down and pick them up, then they live in shitty motels here during the season and go back after. at any time they can just decide to not go back.
the border stuff is nonsense on so many levels.
Tell that to New York City.
Meanwhile, if the United States enforced its borders, it would affect Mexico and Central America, etc. And those countries would be forced to deal with disenfranchised populations that have nowhere to go.
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2023, 04:43:10 PM
Post by: team filler on October 12, 2023, 05:29:50 PM
tell what to new york city?immigration from mexico has been much lower than in the past. the people going to the southern border are from further south of mexico.
my brother used to work driving a bus for field workers. they are brought in from mexico legally to work. he would drive all the way down and pick them up, then they live in shitty motels here during the season and go back after. at any time they can just decide to not go back.
the border stuff is nonsense on so many levels.
Tell that to New York City.
Meanwhile, if the United States enforced its borders, it would affect Mexico and Central America, etc. And those countries would be forced to deal with disenfranchised populations that have nowhere to go.
the idea of "securing" the southern border is just another dumb wedge issue. it goes no where.
people look at a map and think it's some simple task. likely it would cost more to do than whatever it is you think you'd be getting out of it.
Post by: BIONIC on October 12, 2023, 07:02:42 PM
Post by: Nintex on October 13, 2023, 01:42:34 PM
I don't think Americans should be punished because other countries aren't as awesome.
https://twitter.com/SpaceCatMemes/status/1712635569795190938 (https://twitter.com/SpaceCatMemes/status/1712635569795190938)
Post by: team filler on October 14, 2023, 12:49:12 AM
:salute
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2023, 02:21:01 AM
Post by: Nintex on October 21, 2023, 09:15:36 AM
Whats wrong Drop Out Ron? Can't take the winning anymore? :trumps
Post by: Occam on October 25, 2023, 09:10:53 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/25/north-carolina-redistricting-map-passed-republicans/
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“They’ve taken essentially a 50-50 state and drawn a map where 80 percent of voters will have a Republican member of Congress,”As a reader points out
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As of October 29th, 2022, North Carolina had about 7.4 million registered voters. Specifically:
2,495,097 or 34% were registered Democrat;
2,637,581 or 36% were registered Unaffiliated;
2,221,179 or 30% were registered Republican;
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North Carolina’s 14 congressional seats are evenly split between Democrats and Republicans after a temporary map was created following the top court’s decision to throw out a Republican-proposed map. The new map would probably flip at least three of those seats to the GOP, which could also help give them control in a U.S. House where Republicans hold a narrow 221-212 majority.
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Because of a recently passed budget resolution, communications about the redistricting process among state lawmakers are not subject to freedom of information requests, making it more difficult for the public to know what was considered with the maps. Legislators can destroy their communications concerning the map’s design when they see fit.
[...]
In 2022, when the state Supreme Court threw out Republicans’ proposed map, those communications proved relevant in the legal challenges to showing that, according to the court, the new borders were illegal partisan gerrymanders.
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The redistricting is also likely to help Republicans’ attempts to keep the seat of Rep. Tricia Cotham, who switched from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party in April, giving the GOP a razor-thin supermajority.
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“It is clear as day,” Klein [Southern Coalition for Social Justice] said. “Anybody who knows anything about North Carolina knows the Senate map is going to deprive North Carolina’s Black Belt of any representation.”
Thanks to the redistricting, Republicans will most likely have veto-proof majorities in both chambers in the future.
Paul Shumaker, a senior Republican consultant in North Carolina: “Elections have consequences.” (he is of course referring to the 2022 election, as future elections won't have consequences in NC.)
Post by: Nintex on October 27, 2023, 09:57:48 AM
I wouldn't worry about North Caroline, they'll probably fuck it up one way or another.
The GOP civil war will probably cost them Florida in the future. :doge
Post by: Occam on October 29, 2023, 10:39:55 PM
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2023, 01:38:34 AM
Democracy abolished in North Carolina:Draw us a map that would maintain democracy, Occam. :society
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/25/north-carolina-redistricting-map-passed-republicans/Quote“They’ve taken essentially a 50-50 state and drawn a map where 80 percent of voters will have a Republican member of Congress,”As a reader points outQuoteAs of October 29th, 2022, North Carolina had about 7.4 million registered voters. Specifically:
2,495,097 or 34% were registered Democrat;
2,637,581 or 36% were registered Unaffiliated;
2,221,179 or 30% were registered Republican;
It's important we know how many seats a party should receive regardless of election results when we write the law or this abolishment of democracy will keep happening as it has in every single cycle. :rollsafe
Post by: team filler on October 30, 2023, 02:39:04 AM
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2023, 03:18:51 AM
just draw a map that makes it so the people I personally choose will win and that's a perfect democracy :pimpJust dissolve the people and elect another. :trumps
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on October 31, 2023, 03:48:40 AM
tell what to new york city?immigration from mexico has been much lower than in the past. the people going to the southern border are from further south of mexico.
my brother used to work driving a bus for field workers. they are brought in from mexico legally to work. he would drive all the way down and pick them up, then they live in shitty motels here during the season and go back after. at any time they can just decide to not go back.
the border stuff is nonsense on so many levels.
Tell that to New York City.
Meanwhile, if the United States enforced its borders, it would affect Mexico and Central America, etc. And those countries would be forced to deal with disenfranchised populations that have nowhere to go.
the idea of "securing" the southern border is just another dumb wedge issue. it goes no where.
people look at a map and think it's some simple task. likely it would cost more to do than whatever it is you think you'd be getting out of it.
It's not an easy task. But borders can be enforced, and it doesn't require wall building.
What border enforcement will accomplish is widespread change in the countries using America as a safety valve. And it will, bare minimum, lessen the exploitation of a powerless, migratory work force, as well as alleviate the economic and social burden unchecked illegal immigration has on American cities -- as in New York.
"It's hard!" isn't a good excuse. Stuff that's worthwhile is difficult and costly.
Post by: Nintex on October 31, 2023, 03:49:14 PM
Unfortunately the left thinks fugies all are sad and give them support, free money and open borders creating endless supply :doggy
While the right likes to save some money on labour costs creating endless demand :money
In the middle are the human traffickers and drug dealers who quickly discover that scaring people into fleeing is good business, saves bullets and problems with the police :success
Finally there is the government of the country of origin taking their share of the profits as well as reducing the strain on their own welfare, police and prison systems :maduro
Post by: D3RANG3D on November 05, 2023, 02:12:17 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2023, 11:02:27 PM
-Dems hold the senate, win the house in Virginia despite it be the epicenter of the trans/gay school and library battles.
-Dem governor re-elected in Kentucky
-Abortion rights added to Ohio constitution by commanding fashion
-Dems hold 5-2 majority on PA Supreme Court
-Dems flipping multiple Trump districts in NJ
:doge :doge :doge
Post by: D3RANG3D on November 09, 2023, 05:38:43 PM
Post by: D3RANG3D on December 01, 2023, 11:14:29 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/0wJxUTN.png)
Post by: Occam on January 11, 2024, 07:17:01 AM
You can't argue with willfully ignorant brainwashed simpletons.
Post by: Nintex on January 12, 2024, 07:44:32 PM
- Breaking up with Russia means the EU is more reliant on US weapons/energy
- China is having big economic issues so they can't really afford to annoy the US
- Israel and the Arabs all want US weapons
- US supports Ukraine but most of that support goes to the US military industrial complex
- AI boom benefits mostly US big tech companies
Although there are still a bunch of economic issues I'm pretty confident that a recession has been avoided in the US.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2024, 12:27:49 AM
Although there are still a bunch of economic issues I'm pretty confident that a recession has been avoided in the US.
You mean you finally listened to me lol. Interest rates coming down real soon, unemployment at near historic lows, wages up over inflation, inflation nearing normal levels, GDP high, record level oil production...get ready for the boom fellas.
:patel
Iowa on Monday. I can't call it tbh. Weather gonna be a disaster so it's really just about who turns out. While I think Trump wins the nomination I'm not sure I think he wins Iowa.
Post by: Nintex on January 15, 2024, 06:24:41 PM
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2024, 08:26:39 PM
Support for Nationwide Abortion Ban:
Support 58%
Oppose 36%
Post by: Nintex on January 16, 2024, 01:47:24 PM
Iowa Caucus - CNN Entrance Poll:Once Taylor Swift ties the knot and gets knocked up this whole thing will turn around.
Support for Nationwide Abortion Ban:
Support 58%
Oppose 36%
Post by: Occam on January 16, 2024, 02:42:56 PM
In case you haven't seen Trump's actual campaign video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIYQfyA_1Hc
Post by: Nintex on January 16, 2024, 06:52:46 PM
Macron for example often completely ignores parliament and just rules by decree. The big dictatorial thing that you can accuse Trump of (and even that is a matter of opinion) is repurposing funds to construct the border fence that he couldn't get funded otherwise.
Very few if any dictators are elected, Hitler was appointed, Putin was appointed, Xi was appointed, Kim Jun Un was appointed, Al-Sissi was appointed.
Chances that a group of power brokers come together to select Donald Trump as Dictator are slim. It's more likely he'll win the election and has to awkwardly deal with the Republicans and Democrats again.
I'd be more worried about DeSantis. He has the makings of a dictator that would have his hecklers shot if he had the power to do so.
Post by: chronovore on January 16, 2024, 09:22:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOi2cYz5nXE
In case you haven't seen Trump's actual campaign video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIYQfyA_1Hc
I don't like those Lincoln Project smarmies, they're wolves in slightly-less-dangerous-looking-wolves' skins.
But that's a solid PR piece.
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2024, 09:54:59 PM
Signed,
Someone who is likely to not vote for Prez in 2024 because you're all Israel supporting genocide lovers but still someone with common sense that knows this border and country needs protecting. Put guns and soldiers on that border and finish that damn wall.
If Dems started to become hard on illegal immigrants and mute their anti-gun talk I'd highly consider tossing them a kiss but they love replacing Americans that have been here for generations too much. SAD. Crazy how a call to secure our border equals racism. If only we had an anti-Israel, pro-gun, anti-drug war, anti-illegal, pro-choice, pro-America party that embraced tradition.
Post by: Himu on January 16, 2024, 10:14:36 PM
Forgot to post this a few months ago but I love Candace these days. Don't always agree and think she can sometimes be try hard but she's a voice we desperately need.
If only the Republicans didn't like fondling Israel penis so much. Easily the party to go for even if they're not perfect. The only thing we have is tradition and it must be embraced for a healthy society. Candace gets it.
If Trump got hard on Israel I'd vote for him in a second. Shame he won't.
Post by: Nintex on January 17, 2024, 01:06:06 PM
JP Morgan CEO tells the Democrats to be more respectful to MAGA voters and that Trump was right on most critical issues.
He also thinks Bidens anti-MAGA campaign will hurt him.
Post by: chronovore on January 17, 2024, 10:06:02 PM
“Democrats need to be more respectful to MAGA“ is clearly rage bait. Period. Mission accomplished.
Post by: Himu on January 18, 2024, 02:19:15 AM
SAD.
If only Dems would do this and completely wipe out the GOP, then we could have an actual conservative party.
Post by: chronovore on January 18, 2024, 07:57:30 PM
American government spends more on military than the eight or nine next countries combined. We spend plenty of money on projecting our Will worldwide. The police have plenty of guns. Homeland security has an unprecedented level of interdepartmental access, communication, and collaboration that was never intended in the initial charters of those agencies. Their power is effectively unchecked. Obama, a centrist Democrat, originally planned to not renew PATRIOT Act, provisions, but was pressured into renewing by the intelligence apparatus.
Why give up power once you have it?
It never happens.
Transforming the Democratic Party into a conservative group has already happened. They are not representing progressive voters. When viewed from anywhere else in the free world, America has a wildly conservative government. Obama was considered conservative by the EU. Hillary would have been even more so.
Trump wasn’t right about shit. Trump wasn’t even right about his own people, which is why he constantly kept having to replace his own appointees. If he was ever close to accurate on anything, it was almost certainly a product of the Venn diagram overlap of these two concepts: a broken clock is still right twice a day, and a thousand monkeys with a thousand typewriters will eventually produce Hamlet. The man run his mouth so much that he may have accidentally said something correct at some point.
Respect is earned.
You’re encouraging following politician, who literally encourage an insurrection, failed to stop the insurrection, and encourage violence that his own political gatherings.
You want to go to California and New York to shut the fuck up? Go look at what the population distribution looks like and think what would happen if the electoral system didn’t represent all of these poor states that are so insanely reliant o federal funds. There’s nothing resembling one-citizen-one-vote representation in government, we are trapped in system that was developed to represent slaves as property, maintained to this day.
You’re declaiming all kinds of liberal incursions on a conservative lifestyle, inventing inflammatory causes like pink hair in the military, when regulations do not even allow for that. Miss me with your invented bullshit.
Until recently you were a transsexual, and when that didn’t work out for you, you figured it can’t work out for anybody and started trying to figure out how to remove their rights. Instead of hating everyone else in the world, realize that you don’t like yourself very much, work on that and solve your own shit before you start tying to tell everyone else what to do.
Post by: Himu on January 18, 2024, 10:23:29 PM
- The border
- Foreign Policy (besides Muslim ban)
- Having an America first policy
NY and CA should shut the fuck up about guns. NY doesn't even listen to the supreme court and its rulings regarding gun laws. Dems would make massive in-roads with conservatives and constitutionalists by telling their party to lay off on guns. End of.
Dems have been a conservative party. Exactly. And they were more successful when they were! Even against these wins against Republicans, Dems aren't winning as much as they could be.
Our military is currently weak and soft and it's bleeding members. I criticize the military industrial complex regularly and hate America giving weapons to literal terrorists like Israel but it doesn't stop the fact we still need guns at the border to stop illegals from entering.
That's quite the psychoanalysis attempt.
I love myself very much actually and I don't hate anybody. I gave someone that openly dislikes me well wishes and prayer. You misunderstand me on a deep level. Take away others rights? We as a nation were better when we embraced tradition. Experimental things, ideas, and philosophies that don't work and cause harm to society should be rightly called out. Funny, for all of our "freedom" and "rights" we are currently one of the most depressed nations. That's what happens when there's no one truth. When men can become women and women can become men, and gender roles are thrown out the window, and people think men and women are the same. Families are destroyed because why have a family if you can get some pussy outside of the confines of marriage? No one wants kids because no one wants responsibility. Confusion. Anarchy. A lost generation. That is what liberalism gets you.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world
You said all of that despite living in Japan. You should know the direct benefits that patriarchy and tradition brings. Everyone knows their role. No one is rudderless in Asia. They know what they're supposed to do and fucking do it. Japan has issues, especially because of their bushido culture which leads to overwork, but even then despite that Japan ranks above America in the happiness scale. In this life there is only what's true and what's false.
Post by: Himu on January 18, 2024, 10:31:40 PM
I appreciate your kind thoughts in the other thread, but your response here is a reminder of why I have you on ignore.
American government spends more on military than the eight or nine next countries combined. We spend plenty of money on projecting our Will worldwide. The police have plenty of guns. Homeland security has an unprecedented level of interdepartmental access, communication, and collaboration that was never intended in the initial charters of those agencies. Their power is effectively unchecked. Obama, a centrist Democrat, originally planned to not renew PATRIOT Act, provisions, but was pressured into renewing by the intelligence apparatus.
Why give up power once you have it?
It never happens.
Transforming the Democratic Party into a conservative group has already happened. They are not representing progressive voters. When viewed from anywhere else in the free world, America has a wildly conservative government. Obama was considered conservative by the EU. Hillary would have been even more so.
Trump wasn’t right about shit. Trump wasn’t even right about his own people, which is why he constantly kept having to replace his own appointees. If he was ever close to accurate on anything, it was almost certainly a product of the Venn diagram overlap of these two concepts: a broken clock is still right twice a day, and a thousand monkeys with a thousand typewriters will eventually produce Hamlet. The man run his mouth so much that he may have accidentally said something correct at some point.
Respect is earned.
You’re encouraging following politician, who literally encourage an insurrection, failed to stop the insurrection, and encourage violence that his own political gatherings.
You want to go to California and New York to shut the fuck up? Go look at what the population distribution looks like and think what would happen if the electoral system didn’t represent all of these poor states that are so insanely reliant o federal funds. There’s nothing resembling one-citizen-one-vote representation in government, we are trapped in system that was developed to represent slaves as property, maintained to this day.
You’re declaiming all kinds of liberal incursions on a conservative lifestyle, inventing inflammatory causes like pink hair in the military, when regulations do not even allow for that. Miss me with your invented bullshit.
Until recently you were a transsexual, and when that didn’t work out for you, you figured it can’t work out for anybody and started trying to figure out how to remove their rights. Instead of hating everyone else in the world, realize that you don’t like yourself very much, work on that and solve your own shit before you start tying to tell everyone else what to do.
All this from a man that lives in Japan and has a Japanese wife. One of the most conservative, patriarchal, homogeneous countries on this planet and you talk down on conservativism and its merit and the fact it works. I would take your opinion more seriously if you did not live in Japan, a nation that passed an anti-refugee law.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/06/15/japan-immigration-law-creates-new-obstacles-asylum-seekers
You wallow on your pedestal, talking down to me about rights when you live, work, and have a family among one of the most conservative nations on this planet and not out of birth, but through abject choice and preference.
A country with highly stringent immigration laws even in the face of possible extinction from not making enough babies.
A country of duty.
A country that does not see same sex couples as legitimate.
By all rights you should love tradition and conservative values since you have lived in such a nation for 30 years! If this were Japan they would give the illegals the boot and you know it. But for whatever reason you have different standards for good ol USA.
Remember that as Japan has shown: might is right, Chrono. And all we have is tradition as a species. Without those levers - without that tradition - society falls apart. America's experiment tells that plainly.
Post by: chronovore on January 19, 2024, 01:10:47 AM
Anyway, thanks for the well-wishes about my mother and family, truly.
Post by: Occam on January 19, 2024, 02:14:42 PM
Crenshaw explains that the MAGATs in Congress love Putin so much they no longer care about border security.
Post by: james on January 21, 2024, 12:53:32 PM
https://x.com/chrisjollyhale/status/1748918840145137673
Post by: Nintex on January 21, 2024, 02:52:25 PM
https://twitter.com/HowardMortman/status/1749063474192298357 (https://twitter.com/HowardMortman/status/1749063474192298357)
:trumps Thank you Ron, you ran a great race you were a great opponent
:desoy
Post by: Nintex on January 21, 2024, 03:07:28 PM
Post by: Occam on January 21, 2024, 07:32:33 PM
Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2024, 02:44:43 PM
That's what ChatGPT told us sir :wut
Post by: Nintex on January 23, 2024, 05:36:49 PM
https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1749921157329944897 (https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1749921157329944897)
:dizzy
Post by: Himu on January 24, 2024, 03:13:41 AM
RIP Nikki
Post by: Nintex on January 24, 2024, 01:48:01 PM
They tried everything to pump up Haleys numbers including having Biden supporters vote for Haley in the GOP Primary as a vote against Trump.
The result?
Donald Trump has the highest number of votes in the NH primary ever.
Exceeding even Bernie Sanders record 2016 result.
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 24, 2024, 03:50:28 PM
Post by: james on January 25, 2024, 01:18:13 AM
Post by: Nintex on January 25, 2024, 03:47:37 AM
Post by: chronovore on January 27, 2024, 03:14:42 AM
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1750219664683126954 (https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1750219664683126954)
They tried everything to pump up Haleys numbers including having Biden supporters vote for Haley in the GOP Primary as a vote against Trump.
The result?
Donald Trump has the highest number of votes in the NH primary ever.
Exceeding even Bernie Sanders record 2016 result.
Why is NYP stanning for Trump? I thought New York hates Trump through-and-through.
Post by: Himu on January 28, 2024, 12:22:20 AM
YES, YES, YES, YES
Biden go! Yes! Shutting down the border and mandatory detention is amazing as a start. Complete that wall and double it in height.
Now let's see what your Israel policy is going forward. Deport them niccas.
https://x.com/EdisonGPT/status/1750702078048043288
Bring back this Democratic Party. Bring back this America. :tocry
Post by: Himu on January 28, 2024, 02:35:13 AM
Men increasingly right wing; women increasingly left wing. Good on men. [
https://www.ft.com/content/29fd9b5c-2f35-41bf-9d4c-994db4e12998
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A new global gender divide is emerging
In the US, UK and Germany, young women now take far more liberal positions on immigration and racial justice than young men, while older age groups remain evenly matched. The trend in most countries has been one of women shifting left while men stand still, but there are signs that young men are actively moving to the right in Germany, where today’s under-30s are more opposed to immigration than their elders, and have shifted towards the far-right AfD in recent years. It would be easy to say this is all a phase that will pass, but the ideology gaps are only growing, and data shows that people’s formative political experiences are hard to shake off. All of this is exacerbated by the fact that the proliferation of smartphones and social media mean that young men and women now increasingly inhabit separate spaces and experience separate cultures.
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A new global gender divide is emerging
Too often young people’s views are overlooked owing to their low rates of political participation, but this shift could leave ripples for generations to come, impacting far more than vote counts.
https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-gender-gap-young-men-women-dont-agree-politics-2024-1
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Most young men are probably not interested in making America great again, but they do feel acutely the need to secure a place for themselves in a culture that readily identifies male advantage but ignores the challenges young men face. Out of a sense of increased insecurity, more young men are adopting a zero-sum view of gender equality — if women gain, men will inevitably lose. It's an outlook that makes them defensive, encourages them to ignore or overlook enduring challenges women face in society, and can even spur misogyny. As one 35-year-old man told Pew in 2022 about #MeToo: "Too many people are taking advantage of a serious situation because it's trendy or they are greedy or just want attention." And this attitude has real-world consequences: In the online gaming world, 75% of Gen Z women have reported experiencing harassment.
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But both genders are feeling increasingly precarious — and it's causing them to drift further apart. A recent Washington Post editorial lamented what this growing political divide means for dating and marriage: If Gen Z men and women can't agree on politics, it's going to get harder for them to find a partner. But if anything, that understates the problem. Based on our interviews, there appears to be a growing eagerness among both young men and women to blame their problems on each other. And a society in which men and women see their interests as irrevocably opposed is not one that can last.
Let's go, bros. Note the slant in these articles. They try to subtly hint that one gender is in the wrong and should give up for the greater good. Exactly why feminism should be fought tooth and nail with their global encompassing agenda.
Post by: Nintex on January 28, 2024, 01:10:29 PM
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1750219664683126954 (https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1750219664683126954)
They tried everything to pump up Haleys numbers including having Biden supporters vote for Haley in the GOP Primary as a vote against Trump.
The result?
Donald Trump has the highest number of votes in the NH primary ever.
Exceeding even Bernie Sanders record 2016 result.
Why is NYP stanning for Trump? I thought New York hates Trump through-and-through.
Snoop for Trump
The Rock for Trump
https://twitter.com/JasonMillerinDC/status/1751610060042563643 (https://twitter.com/JasonMillerinDC/status/1751610060042563643)
https://twitter.com/willcain/status/1750196609588048193 (https://twitter.com/willcain/status/1750196609588048193)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEnaxFbW4AASzY6?format=jpg)
:trumps
Post by: Himu on January 28, 2024, 01:35:27 PM
Post by: Occam on January 29, 2024, 08:01:38 PM
Bill to create panel with power to remove prosecutors accused of misconduct passes state house amid allegations against Fani Willis
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/29/georgia-bill-trump-prosecutor-fani-willis-removal
This is the second time Republicans passed this law, the first time it didn't work out:
"Language in the [previous] law required the Georgia supreme court to approve the commission’s processes. Late last year, the court announced it would deny approval, effectively killing the commission.
The new version of the law passed on Monday by Georgia’s house on a 90-75 party-line vote. It omits language requiring approval by the Georgia supreme court."
Cool cool cool.
By the way, Poland's right wing PiS party pulled a similar stunt, after which Poland was sanctioned by the EU for this egregious attack on the rule of law. Thankfully the PiS party didn't manage to completely dismantle democracy, so these fuckers were voted out just in the nick of time.
The red states won't be so lucky.
Post by: Himu on January 30, 2024, 05:54:25 AM
What happens when you open your bleeding heart to country invaders. Untenable.
Abbott was genius bussing these illegals to states like NY. These bleeding heart fakkits sit on lofty pedestals saying you're racist for basic border security. Now you know the only solution: deport their ass and declare yourself no longer a sanctuary. Play shitty games, win shitty prizes. Happens to be the best of us and liberal naivete always, always gets a big slap in the face of something we call reality eventually. Life ain't no Kumbaya, no hold me by the hand and pisck Posies shit. Life is savage. Fuck liberalism. They are all talk and offer no real tangible solutions beyond throwing money at issues. "Let's house the illegals and do nothing with them!" Only conservatism and tradition have merit. Time tested. The Dems have the country hostage on a moral soapbox as they drink Mimosas as the rest of us bear the responsibility. Truly disgusting riff raff liberals are.
Listen to socialists, brehs.
Post by: Nintex on February 04, 2024, 10:28:08 AM
First Snoop, now 50 Cent. :trumps
https://twitter.com/MAGAIncWarRoom/status/1754148703344943504 (https://twitter.com/MAGAIncWarRoom/status/1754148703344943504)
Post by: Himu on February 05, 2024, 03:20:51 PM
Chinese migrants are the fastest growing group crossing the border into USA.
But let's have kid gloves at the border. Fuck the Democratic Party, liberals, their nativete, and their stupid bleeding hearts. Fuck them especially for gaslighting America into thinking basic border security is "racist". This is what happens when you have a worldview of love and happiness rather than reality. Sometimes, you have to have a foot on someone's neck. Fact of life.
We need what's best for this nation. Democrats are too soft to lead this nation. As much as I disagree with the Trump on certain issues voting for him is clearly better than voting for neither. Because voting for neither won't solve a hole in my nations defenses. It's sitting there and letting it happen. We need Trump.
Post by: Nintex on February 05, 2024, 06:59:23 PM
That's quite a trip for a poor illegal migrant. :doge
Post by: Himu on February 05, 2024, 07:08:27 PM
Any explanation how the Chinese end up at the Mexican border and not just sneak into South Korea or whatever?
That's quite a trip for a poor illegal migrant. :doge
Secret agents paid by China obviously if that's what you're implying and I know that it is.
Post by: Nintex on February 05, 2024, 07:56:51 PM
In Europe it's the human traffickers from Turkey who ship them from Africa/Turkey to the EU shores in pirate vessels and rafts, then a couple of countries let them 'pass' to Germany, The Netherlands etc either by train, car or bus.
It's a relatively short distance from the refugee camps in Libya / Turkey to the coast of Greece, Italy, Spain etc. . The trip takes a couple of days max.
I looked it up and China and Mexico is about 15 days by boat and 16 hours by plane but lets assume they use boats as that is what most migrants do.
It isn't cheap to organize and it's a very long distance.
Post by: Himu on February 05, 2024, 08:07:40 PM
No I'm curious how they would arrange such a long trip.
In Europe it's the human traffickers from Turkey who ship them from Africa/Turkey to the EU shores in pirate vessels and rafts, then a couple of countries let them 'pass' to Germany, The Netherlands etc either by train, car or bus.
It's a relatively short distance from the refugee camps in Libya / Turkey to the coast of Greece, Italy, Spain etc. . The trip takes a couple of days max.
I looked it up and China and Mexico is about 15 days by boat and 16 hours by plane but lets assume they use boats as that is what most migrants do.
It isn't cheap to organize and it's a very long distance.
If you watch the video the rich (middle class) ones fly to Mexico directly.
Others go to south america and then travel north.
Post by: Occam on February 06, 2024, 09:06:43 PM
Today Repugnicans voted against stronger border protections and then voted to impeach the Homeland Security director for not implementing stronger border protections.
Post by: team filler on February 07, 2024, 07:42:51 AM
more asian pussy in the country? not seeing the problem tbh :rejoiceNo I'm curious how they would arrange such a long trip.
In Europe it's the human traffickers from Turkey who ship them from Africa/Turkey to the EU shores in pirate vessels and rafts, then a couple of countries let them 'pass' to Germany, The Netherlands etc either by train, car or bus.
It's a relatively short distance from the refugee camps in Libya / Turkey to the coast of Greece, Italy, Spain etc. . The trip takes a couple of days max.
I looked it up and China and Mexico is about 15 days by boat and 16 hours by plane but lets assume they use boats as that is what most migrants do.
It isn't cheap to organize and it's a very long distance.
If you watch the video the rich (middle class) ones fly to Mexico directly.
Others go to south america and then travel north.
Post by: Nintex on February 08, 2024, 03:13:21 PM
:doge
Post by: Occam on February 08, 2024, 03:19:56 PM
Post by: Nintex on February 08, 2024, 04:16:15 PM
I've seen this song and dance time and time again.
They attempt it and then the NGOs sue them with some kind of ESG/UN human rights bullshit from 1847.
A Soy Judge suspends the whole thing and then your border remains wide open for the illegals to come pouring in.
The human trafficking business sorry migration... simply makes too much money.
It's also why the solution to these issues is always more money.
Poor migrants will spend that $53 million NY is planning to give them in a week on hookers and blow.
If Trump still owned all those Hotels he wouldn't have shut the border either :money
By the time the GOP figures out very little is done about the border, billions in arms have already been shipped as part of the 'deal'.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 14, 2024, 08:48:07 AM
:doge
Post by: tiesto on February 14, 2024, 11:04:55 AM
What's this, another night of multiple bad losses for republicans in special elections, including losing George Santos' former congress seat. Another election of dems out performing polls and 2020/2022 republican districts going blue.
:doge
Not surprised Suozzi won. He's a milquetoast centrist democrat but has been in LI politics forever... not surprising that people in NY-3 want a known quantity after the Santos wackiness. Also, no way was someone whose name was 1 letter off from Nazi winning in one of the most Jewish parts of the country :p
Post by: Occam on February 14, 2024, 03:41:00 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/02/republicans-are-no-longer-political-party/677437/
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Republicans Are No Longer a Political Party
They’ve become yet another subsidiary of Trump Inc.
By David A. Graham
February 13, 2024, 11:33 AM ET
When historians chronicle the end of the Grand Old Party, they may mark 2024 as the turning point. Something called the Republican Party will surely exist for years to come, like a legacy brand subsumed by a competitor, but it appears to be coming to its end as a functional party. Instead, the Republican Party has become just another subsidiary of Donald Trump Inc.
Yesterday, Trump announced his effective takeover of the Republican National Committee, endorsing Michael Whatley, the chair of the North Carolina GOP, as chair; his daughter-in-law, Lara Trump, as co-chair; and one of his top campaign advisers, Chris LaCivita, as chief operating officer. LaCivita will reportedly also remain with the Trump presidential campaign, splitting time. The current chair of the party, Ronna McDaniel, is stepping down because of pressure from Trump.
Officially, these are only recommendations, but they seem nearly certain to become reality. Trump has long held de facto sway over the Republican National Committee, but these moves give him de jure control, too. The reorganization is especially striking because it comes in the midst of what is a moderately competitive presidential primary between Trump and Nikki Haley. Although no one really thinks Haley has much chance at beating Trump, he’s now asserting control over the body that oversees that primary, like a basketball coach appointing one of his assistant coaches as referee.
Trump’s approach is familiar from the way he ran his family business, the Trump Organization, and his White House. He stocks them with ultra-loyalists who will take hits for him and with family members who are questionably qualified. The effect is to efface any organizational identity or institutional structures, to ensure that the only thing that matters, and the only person who decides, is Trump.
The Trump Organization, unusually for a company of its size, was run with a small staff—a few longtime lieutenants, such as Allen Weisselberg, its longtime CFO, and now-estranged fixer Michael Cohen, and then Trump’s children Donald Jr., Eric, and Ivanka. This generation of Trumps has shown no particular genius for real-estate development; two of them were reportedly nearly charged with felonies after the collapse of one high-profile project. When Trump won the presidency, he nominally placed Eric in charge, but revealed his faith in his son’s abilities by continuing to be highly involved.
Meanwhile, in Washington, Trump appointed Ivanka and her husband, Jared Kushner, to senior-adviser roles in the White House, barely skirting anti-nepotism rules for the executive branch, even though neither of them had any experience in government. But Trump erred, in his own view, by failing to appoint sufficiently sycophantic aides to other roles. Too many of his appointees were determined to defend the processes of government and the rule of law, infuriating him. He and his allies have vowed not to make the same mistakes again.
Now Trump is using the same playbook for the RNC. Whatley is a veteran party official, serving as general counsel, but his major selling point in Trump’s eyes is that he is a loyalist and faithfully backed Trump’s bogus claims that the 2020 election was stolen. Lara Trump has been a frequent surrogate for Trump on the campaign trail and television, but she has no experience at the RNC.
Signs of the GOP’s terminal illness have been present for years. Trump began what amounted to a hostile takeover in 2016, breezing through the Republican primary despite the opposition of most of the party establishment, in a demonstration of the weakness of party structures.
Long before he decided to depose her, McDaniel was his own pick for chair. Presidents always exercise great influence over their party committees, but the GOP was particularly supine. In 2020, the RNC didn’t even bother with one of the most fundamental roles of a political party—putting forth a platform. Instead, it resolved “that the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda.” Opposition to Trump within Congress and in state parties has also been slowly suffocated.
The full conquest of the RNC is good news for Trump personally. He can take advantage of the party’s resources, such as they still exist, and make it do what he wants, without the pesky problems of existing structures. But given what we know about the Trump Organization and the Trump White House, it is unlikely to be good news for the party.
In Manhattan this week, a judge is expected to rule in a civil fraud trial that could fine Trump hundreds of millions of dollars, cancel the Trump Organization’s license to operate in New York State, and strip it of marquee properties. Weisselberg is reportedly in talks to plead guilty to perjury in the case, atop a prior felony guilty plea. The Trump administration was, if anything, worse run. It was four years of constant chaos, punctuated by two separate impeachments and concluding with an attempt to steal a presidential election. (Trump is in court over that, too.) None of this is a good omen for the RNC’s future as a Trump subsidiary.
They’ve become yet another subsidiary of Trump Inc.
By David A. Graham
February 13, 2024, 11:33 AM ET
When historians chronicle the end of the Grand Old Party, they may mark 2024 as the turning point. Something called the Republican Party will surely exist for years to come, like a legacy brand subsumed by a competitor, but it appears to be coming to its end as a functional party. Instead, the Republican Party has become just another subsidiary of Donald Trump Inc.
Yesterday, Trump announced his effective takeover of the Republican National Committee, endorsing Michael Whatley, the chair of the North Carolina GOP, as chair; his daughter-in-law, Lara Trump, as co-chair; and one of his top campaign advisers, Chris LaCivita, as chief operating officer. LaCivita will reportedly also remain with the Trump presidential campaign, splitting time. The current chair of the party, Ronna McDaniel, is stepping down because of pressure from Trump.
Officially, these are only recommendations, but they seem nearly certain to become reality. Trump has long held de facto sway over the Republican National Committee, but these moves give him de jure control, too. The reorganization is especially striking because it comes in the midst of what is a moderately competitive presidential primary between Trump and Nikki Haley. Although no one really thinks Haley has much chance at beating Trump, he’s now asserting control over the body that oversees that primary, like a basketball coach appointing one of his assistant coaches as referee.
Trump’s approach is familiar from the way he ran his family business, the Trump Organization, and his White House. He stocks them with ultra-loyalists who will take hits for him and with family members who are questionably qualified. The effect is to efface any organizational identity or institutional structures, to ensure that the only thing that matters, and the only person who decides, is Trump.
The Trump Organization, unusually for a company of its size, was run with a small staff—a few longtime lieutenants, such as Allen Weisselberg, its longtime CFO, and now-estranged fixer Michael Cohen, and then Trump’s children Donald Jr., Eric, and Ivanka. This generation of Trumps has shown no particular genius for real-estate development; two of them were reportedly nearly charged with felonies after the collapse of one high-profile project. When Trump won the presidency, he nominally placed Eric in charge, but revealed his faith in his son’s abilities by continuing to be highly involved.
Meanwhile, in Washington, Trump appointed Ivanka and her husband, Jared Kushner, to senior-adviser roles in the White House, barely skirting anti-nepotism rules for the executive branch, even though neither of them had any experience in government. But Trump erred, in his own view, by failing to appoint sufficiently sycophantic aides to other roles. Too many of his appointees were determined to defend the processes of government and the rule of law, infuriating him. He and his allies have vowed not to make the same mistakes again.
Now Trump is using the same playbook for the RNC. Whatley is a veteran party official, serving as general counsel, but his major selling point in Trump’s eyes is that he is a loyalist and faithfully backed Trump’s bogus claims that the 2020 election was stolen. Lara Trump has been a frequent surrogate for Trump on the campaign trail and television, but she has no experience at the RNC.
Signs of the GOP’s terminal illness have been present for years. Trump began what amounted to a hostile takeover in 2016, breezing through the Republican primary despite the opposition of most of the party establishment, in a demonstration of the weakness of party structures.
Long before he decided to depose her, McDaniel was his own pick for chair. Presidents always exercise great influence over their party committees, but the GOP was particularly supine. In 2020, the RNC didn’t even bother with one of the most fundamental roles of a political party—putting forth a platform. Instead, it resolved “that the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda.” Opposition to Trump within Congress and in state parties has also been slowly suffocated.
The full conquest of the RNC is good news for Trump personally. He can take advantage of the party’s resources, such as they still exist, and make it do what he wants, without the pesky problems of existing structures. But given what we know about the Trump Organization and the Trump White House, it is unlikely to be good news for the party.
In Manhattan this week, a judge is expected to rule in a civil fraud trial that could fine Trump hundreds of millions of dollars, cancel the Trump Organization’s license to operate in New York State, and strip it of marquee properties. Weisselberg is reportedly in talks to plead guilty to perjury in the case, atop a prior felony guilty plea. The Trump administration was, if anything, worse run. It was four years of constant chaos, punctuated by two separate impeachments and concluding with an attempt to steal a presidential election. (Trump is in court over that, too.) None of this is a good omen for the RNC’s future as a Trump subsidiary.
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Post by: Occam on February 23, 2024, 01:15:48 AM
Post by: Occam on February 23, 2024, 03:35:13 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/who-konstantin-nikolaev-money-mike-johnson-1870600
Post by: Nintex on February 24, 2024, 09:23:05 AM
Will Tricky Nikki finally kiss the ring after she gets obliterated in her home state or did Trump go too far with the Sneakers? :trumps
Post by: Occam on February 28, 2024, 09:38:31 PM
When future historians on the outside are going to write about America's downfall, they will most likely mention today's date.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puqLYlrpbxw
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2024, 09:40:02 PM
Post by: Occam on February 28, 2024, 10:11:35 PM
(Note that they have already been delaying this since December!)
Here is a good summary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt_0kezI1pI
Post by: Nintex on February 29, 2024, 12:07:22 PM
https://twitter.com/alx/status/1763075219009241257 (https://twitter.com/alx/status/1763075219009241257)
Post by: Occam on March 02, 2024, 03:48:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg3GLV5WZN8
Post by: Nintex on March 04, 2024, 02:45:27 PM
Post by: Occam on March 05, 2024, 03:58:15 AM
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This amendment [the Thirteenth], as well as the Fourteenth, is undoubtedly self-executing, without any ancillary legislation, so far as its terms are applicable to any existing state of circumstances.US Supreme Court, 1883.
(Civil Rights Cases, 109 U.S. 3 (1883))
Five "conservative" "originalist" Humpty Dumpties on the Supreme Court in 2024:
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‘WHEN I use a word,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
But Alice objected, ‘The question is whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
And Humpty Dumpty airily replied, ‘The question is which is to be master, that’s all.’
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2024, 04:19:46 AM
Also the 9-0 opinion:
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The Constitution empowers Congress to prescribe how those determinations should be made. The relevant provision is Section 5, which enables Congress, subject of course to judicial review, to pass “appropriate legislation” to “enforce” the Fourteenth Amendment. See City of Boerne v. Flores, 521 U. S. 507, 536 (1997). Or as Senator Howard put it at the time the Amendment was framed, Section 5 “casts upon Congress the responsibility of seeing to it, for the future, that all the sections of the amendment are carried out in good faith.” Cong. Globe, 39th Cong., 1st Sess., at 2768.
Congress’s Section 5 power is critical when it comes to Section 3. Indeed, during a debate on enforcement legislation less than a year after ratification, Sen. Trumbull noted that “notwithstanding [Section 3] … hundreds of men [were] holding office” in violation of its terms. Cong. Globe, 41st Cong., 1st Sess., at 626. The Constitution, Trumbull noted, “provide[d] no means for enforcing” the disqualification, necessitating a “bill to give effect to the fundamental law embraced in the Constitution.” Ibid. The enforcement mechanism Trumbull championed was later enacted as part of the Enforcement Act of 1870, “pursuant to the power conferred by §5 of the [Fourteenth] Amendment.” General Building Contractors Assn., Inc. v. Pennsylvania, 458 U. S. 375, 385 (1982); see 16 Stat. 143–144.
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This case raises the question whether the States, in addition to Congress, may also enforce Section 3. We conclude that States may disqualify persons holding or attempting to hold state office. But States have no power under the Constitution to enforce Section 3 with respect to federal offices, especially the Presidency.
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But nothing in the Constitution delegates to the States any power to enforce Section 3 against federal officeholders and candidates.
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The respondents nonetheless maintain that States may enforce Section 3 against candidates for federal office. But the text of the Fourteenth Amendment, on its face, does not affirmatively delegate such a power to the States. The terms of the Amendment speak only to enforcement by Congress, which enjoys power to enforce the Amendment through legislation pursuant to Section 5.
This can hardly come as a surprise, given that the substantive provisions of the Amendment “embody significant limitations on state authority.” Fitzpatrick v. Bitzer, 427 U. S. 445, 456 (1976). Under the Amendment, States cannot abridge privileges or immunities, deprive persons of life, liberty, or property without due process, deny equal protection, or deny male inhabitants the right to vote (without thereby suffering reduced representation in the House). See Amdt. 14, §§1, 2. On the other hand, the Fourteenth Amendment grants new power to Congress to enforce the provisions of the Amendment against the States. It would be incongruous to read this particular Amendment as granting the States the power—silently no less—to disqualify a candidate for federal office.
The "progressive" concurrence does not disagree in the slightest:
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Allowing Colorado to do so would, we agree, create a chaotic state-by-state patchwork, at odds with our Nation’s federalism principles. That is enough to resolve this case. Yet the majority goes further. Even though “[a]ll nine Members of the Court” agree that this independent and sufficient rationale resolves this case, five Justices go on. They decide novel constitutional questions to insulate this Court and petitioner from future controversy. Ante, at 13. Although only an individual State’s action is at issue here, the majority opines on which federal actors can enforce Section 3, and how they must do so. The majority announces that a disqualification for insurrection can occur only when Congress enacts a particular kind of legislation pursuant to Section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment. In doing so, the majority shuts the door on other potential means of federal enforcement. We cannot join an opinion that decides momentous and difficult issues unnecessarily, and we therefore concur only in the judgment.
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To allow Colorado to take a presidential candidate off the ballot under Section 3 would imperil the Framers’ vision of “a Federal Government directly responsible to the people.”
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Although we agree that Colorado cannot enforce Section 3
Post by: Occam on March 06, 2024, 10:41:16 AM
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What the Court did—and I’m referring to all nine justices here, including the ones who wrote concurrences—was make up a holding utterly unmoored from the text or history of the provision it was interpreting, Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment. That bottom-line holding: “States have no power to enforce Section 3 with respect to federal offices, especially the Presidency.” The justices who wrote separate concurrences—the Court’s four women—seemed to agree with at least this statement of the holding, as far as the presidency is concerned.
But here’s the problem. The Fourteenth Amendment does not say that. It could have—but it doesn’t. It says, in Section 5, “Congress shall have power, to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article,” meaning all of the provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment. But just because Congress has the power to enact legislation to enforce each of the Fourteenth Amendment’s various provisions—which include, most notably, the guarantee of “the equal protection of the laws” in Section 1—doesn’t mean that state officials, or federal or state judiciaries, are disempowered to apply the Fourteenth Amendment. To the contrary, because the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, they have a duty to do that. State officials and state courts have an obligation not to “deny to any person within [the state’s] jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws,” regardless of what Congress does or doesn’t do.
So now Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment is the only provision of the Fourteenth Amendment that may require some congressional action to be enforced, at least in some circumstances. The justices effectively carved out Section 3, without any textual or clear historical basis for doing so.
The Court didn’t even reach that result in a way that makes any sense. Section 3 can be enforced by the states, the Court held, but not for federal offices. Where does the Fourteenth Amendment say that? Where does it say, or even suggest, that federal officeholders are different from state officeholders as far as disqualification is concerned? It doesn’t. The best the Court does is quote an earlier opinion, as well as Justice Joseph Story’s Commentaries, to point out, “Because federal officers owe their existence and functions to the united voice of the whole, not a portion of the people, powers over their election and qualifications must be specifically delegated to, rather than reserved by the States.”
That’s all well and good, but that statement doesn’t bear anything approaching the weight the Court places on it. Because it’s the federal Constitution, not any invention of the states, that says that insurrectionists who violate their oath to support the Constitution can’t hold any federal or state office. And the federal Constitution is binding on the states—always. Which is why the Court recognized that the states could apply—must apply, presumably, because, again, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land—Section 3 to oath-defying insurrectionists who seek state office. But if Section 3 must be applied by the states when they conduct state elections, how is it that they must not do so when the office is federal?
I guess I should stop with the logic, because there really isn’t a lot of it in the Court’s opinion.
Full article, in case you are interested:
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The Court’s Colorado Decision Wasn’t About the Law
This case wasn’t decided on its merits, and the result is an utterly flimsy legal argument.
By George T. Conway III
March 5, 2024, 1:16 PM ET
You can’t always get what you want. What Mick Jagger said about life applies with equal, perhaps even greater, force to litigation. Like life, litigation has its ups and downs. It reflects human fears and frailties—because judges, lawyers, and litigants are human. Law is never perfect, and never will be.
And so it is with the United States Supreme Court’s decision yesterday in Trump v. Anderson, which unanimously reversed the Supreme Court of Colorado’s decision barring Donald Trump from the state’s presidential-primary ballot.
Trump’s brazen effort to end constitutional democracy in America should have been the textbook example of the sort of behavior that would lead to someone being barred from holding public office under the Fourteenth Amendment. But it was not to be, and never was to be.
I talked with a lot of people about the Colorado case over the past three months, and I didn’t come across a single person who appeared willing to wager that the Supreme Court would uphold the Colorado decision; even the most fervent advocates for Trump’s disqualification, the ones who believed (as I was ultimately convinced) that the Colorado decision was unimpeachably correct, did not imagine that the Court was likely to agree. My guess is that none of these people thought they had any votes after the argument three weeks ago.
This private pessimism didn’t arise from legal reasoning. It came from an understanding that it was too much to expect this Court, at this time, in this political context, to apply the Constitution the way the Court normally should: by dispassionately looking at the constitutional text, and the historical context, and letting the chips fall where they may. It may be noble-minded for someone like me, sitting in the cheap seats, to incant my favorite Latin legal maxim, Fiat justitia ruat caelum—“Let justice be done though the heavens may fall.” But I don’t hold a lifetime appointment to decide how justice is to be done. And however much I’d like to think that judges really believe—as Justice Samuel Alito claimed in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization—that they “cannot allow [their] decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to [their] work,” the fact is that judges are human. Their decisions are affected at times by their perception of what the public reaction may be.
Few better examples of that will ever arise than the Court’s decision yesterday. I confess that, going in, I gave the Court a lot more credit than the Court eventually showed itself to be due. I wrote that “the people who think the Court is going to reverse no matter what … may well be right.” I was understating things there, but I was convinced that the justices, in reversing, would come up with a stronger opinion than they ultimately did.
They didn’t, because, frankly, there wasn’t anything stronger. And the Supreme Court’s unsigned per curiam opinion—I can’t blame any of the justices for not wanting to put their name on it—makes that painfully, embarrassingly clear. To be sure, the Court deserves some credit. For instance, and with good reason, it didn’t even mention the Trump lawyers’ principal argument, the one that so many people assumed had some purchase: the ridiculous contention that, somehow, the president isn’t an “officer of the United States,” even though the Constitution refers to the presidency as an “office.”
That’s about as much credit as the Court deserves. What the Court did—and I’m referring to all nine justices here, including the ones who wrote concurrences—was make up a holding utterly unmoored from the text or history of the provision it was interpreting, Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment. That bottom-line holding: “States have no power to enforce Section 3 with respect to federal offices, especially the Presidency.” The justices who wrote separate concurrences—the Court’s four women—seemed to agree with at least this statement of the holding, as far as the presidency is concerned.
But here’s the problem. The Fourteenth Amendment does not say that. It could have—but it doesn’t. It says, in Section 5, “Congress shall have power, to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article,” meaning all of the provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment. But just because Congress has the power to enact legislation to enforce each of the Fourteenth Amendment’s various provisions—which include, most notably, the guarantee of “the equal protection of the laws” in Section 1—doesn’t mean that state officials, or federal or state judiciaries, are disempowered to apply the Fourteenth Amendment. To the contrary, because the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, they have a duty to do that. State officials and state courts have an obligation not to “deny to any person within [the state’s] jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws,” regardless of what Congress does or doesn’t do.
So now Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment is the only provision of the Fourteenth Amendment that may require some congressional action to be enforced, at least in some circumstances. The justices effectively carved out Section 3, without any textual or clear historical basis for doing so.
The Court didn’t even reach that result in a way that makes any sense. Section 3 can be enforced by the states, the Court held, but not for federal offices. Where does the Fourteenth Amendment say that? Where does it say, or even suggest, that federal officeholders are different from state officeholders as far as disqualification is concerned? It doesn’t. The best the Court does is quote an earlier opinion, as well as Justice Joseph Story’s Commentaries, to point out, “Because federal officers owe their existence and functions to the united voice of the whole, not a portion of the people, powers over their election and qualifications must be specifically delegated to, rather than reserved by the States.”
That’s all well and good, but that statement doesn’t bear anything approaching the weight the Court places on it. Because it’s the federal Constitution, not any invention of the states, that says that insurrectionists who violate their oath to support the Constitution can’t hold any federal or state office. And the federal Constitution is binding on the states—always. Which is why the Court recognized that the states could apply—must apply, presumably, because, again, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land—Section 3 to oath-defying insurrectionists who seek state office. But if Section 3 must be applied by the states when they conduct state elections, how is it that they must not do so when the office is federal?
I guess I should stop with the logic, because there really isn’t a lot of it in the Court’s opinion. What little logic that does appear is in the form of a policy argument. The Court correctly points out that, when it comes to the presidency, if states were allowed to enforce Section 3 in federal races, a “patchwork” could result, particularly as to presidential candidates. You could have different states applying different standards under Section 3 in different proceedings with different procedures and on differing records, and they could reach differing results as to a particular candidate for the presidency. This, the Court felt, was bad.
Practically speaking, that’s a fair point. As the University of Michigan law professor Richard Primus put it, “The basic substance of the [Court’s] decision—uniform federal process for disqualification in a POTUS election—is reasonable as a matter of constitutional design.” But if I may play conservative scold to this supposedly conservative Court, it’s not for the Supreme Court of the United States to design the Constitution; its job is to apply the one that others designed.
The desire for uniform presidential elections is a great argument for revising the Fourteenth Amendment, but it should have been made to the 39th Congress, whose members did the drafting in 1866. They could have said that states were not free to apply Section 3 on their own, in some or all cases, or only with procedures that Congress specifies. But they didn’t say that. Instead they said that Congress could remove any insurrectionist’s “disability” by a two-thirds majority and, in doing that, made clear that insurrectionists could be barred by other entities—like the states—without action by Congress. What the Court did yesterday, as Primus wrote, simply “doesn’t follow from any theory” of constitutional interpretation “that this Court is willing to endorse.” And despite the Court’s decision on Trump, we will still have a dreaded “patchwork”—because the Constitution has always vested states with the task of running even federal elections. For example, the presidential candidates Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Cornel West will likely be on some state ballots but not others, precisely because, as the Constitution contemplates and allows, states have differing ballot-access rules.
I could go on picking apart the weaknesses and inconsistencies in the Court’s opinion, and legions of law professors will do so for ages to come, but the Court’s lack of convincing reasoning is, frankly, beside the point. The Court’s decision wasn’t about law. It was about fear.
That fear is most apparent in the concurring opinions, which otherwise make little sense. Justice Amy Coney Barrett’s concurrence gave that fear open expression. It’s hard to know what to make of her two-paragraph opinion. In the first sentence, she says she joined Part II-B—the guts, if you will—of the Court’s opinion; then, in the next four sentences, she rejects a good portion of that section. She writes that she agrees only that “states lack the power to enforce Section 3 against Presidential candidates”—not candidates for federal office generally, as the majority held—and that the Court shouldn’t “address whether federal legislation is the exclusive vehicle through which Section 3 can be enforced.” But that’s mostly what Part II-B is all about.
As for the concurrence of Justice Sonia Sotomayor, joined by Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, it does make an important point: that the Court’s opinion went further than it really had to. It’s normally best for judges to make their rulings as narrow as possible, to avoid deciding cases that haven’t yet come before them. And here, Justice Sotomayor writes, all the Court needed to decide was that the states may not apply Section 3 to presidential candidates; it could have avoided the question of whether federal legislation was required for states to do so. But in making her point that “nothing in Section 3’s text supports the majority’s view of how federal disqualification efforts must operate,” she undercuts her own conclusion that the states are barred from holding that an insurrectionist presidential candidate is disqualified. She points out, correctly, that nothing in the Fourteenth Amendment requires federal legislation, and that the provision by which Congress could remove a disqualification undercuts the argument that legislation is required. But these aren’t just arguments against what the majority did; they are solid arguments in favor of upholding Trump’s disqualification. Sotomayor’s concurrence undermines her own vote.
But again, this case wasn’t about legal reasoning; it was about fear. Fear from all the justices, conservatives and liberals, about the impact on the Court of removing Trump from the ballot. And the second paragraph of Justice Barrett’s opinion bleeds fear onto the page. “This is not the time to amplify disagreement with stridency,” she writes. Was that directed at any of her colleagues? Justice Sotomayor’s opinion is hardly strident at all, as far as Supreme Court separate opinions go, even if it makes little more sense than the majority’s. “The Court has settled a politically charged issue in the volatile season of a Presidential election,” Barrett continues. “Particularly in this circumstance, writings on the Court should turn the national temperature down, not up. For present purposes, our differences are far less important than our unanimity: All nine justices agree on the outcome of this case. That is the message Americans should take home.”
Each of these sentences is true. But why say this? Why not let the Court’s unanimity of judgment and reasoning speak for itself, including that of Sotomayor’s concurrence? Because Justice Barrett—and, I suspect, all the justices—were terrified by the case and what it actually required them to do: affirm Trump’s disqualification.
That may sound depressing, but I see reason to take heart. To be sure, it’s a shame, because this was one circumstance where it would have been nice for the Supreme Court justices to show the courage that some of their colleagues in the lower courts have shown when faced with Trump—judges like Lewis Kaplan, in the Carroll case; Tanya Chutkan, in the federal January 6 case; Justice Arthur Engoron in Trump’s New York civil fraud case; and Justice Juan Merchan, in the upcoming New York criminal case stemming from Trump allegedly cooking his books to pay off an adult-film star. Ultimately, though, litigation will not save us from Trump, and no one should believe that it will.
But litigation will have done its part—even Trump v. Anderson, with its dearth of reasoning and not-quite-satisfactory result. Because there was one very important thing the Court didn’t do yesterday. It didn’t cast one word of doubt about, and expressed not a hint of a disagreement with, the amply supported factual conclusion reached by the Colorado courts: Donald Trump engaged in an insurrection. Just as Trump today stands as an adjudicated sexual abuser, so too he remains an adjudicated insurrectionist. It is up to us, as voters, to make use of those findings come November.
Put another way: You can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you get what you need.
This case wasn’t decided on its merits, and the result is an utterly flimsy legal argument.
By George T. Conway III
March 5, 2024, 1:16 PM ET
You can’t always get what you want. What Mick Jagger said about life applies with equal, perhaps even greater, force to litigation. Like life, litigation has its ups and downs. It reflects human fears and frailties—because judges, lawyers, and litigants are human. Law is never perfect, and never will be.
And so it is with the United States Supreme Court’s decision yesterday in Trump v. Anderson, which unanimously reversed the Supreme Court of Colorado’s decision barring Donald Trump from the state’s presidential-primary ballot.
Trump’s brazen effort to end constitutional democracy in America should have been the textbook example of the sort of behavior that would lead to someone being barred from holding public office under the Fourteenth Amendment. But it was not to be, and never was to be.
I talked with a lot of people about the Colorado case over the past three months, and I didn’t come across a single person who appeared willing to wager that the Supreme Court would uphold the Colorado decision; even the most fervent advocates for Trump’s disqualification, the ones who believed (as I was ultimately convinced) that the Colorado decision was unimpeachably correct, did not imagine that the Court was likely to agree. My guess is that none of these people thought they had any votes after the argument three weeks ago.
This private pessimism didn’t arise from legal reasoning. It came from an understanding that it was too much to expect this Court, at this time, in this political context, to apply the Constitution the way the Court normally should: by dispassionately looking at the constitutional text, and the historical context, and letting the chips fall where they may. It may be noble-minded for someone like me, sitting in the cheap seats, to incant my favorite Latin legal maxim, Fiat justitia ruat caelum—“Let justice be done though the heavens may fall.” But I don’t hold a lifetime appointment to decide how justice is to be done. And however much I’d like to think that judges really believe—as Justice Samuel Alito claimed in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization—that they “cannot allow [their] decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to [their] work,” the fact is that judges are human. Their decisions are affected at times by their perception of what the public reaction may be.
Few better examples of that will ever arise than the Court’s decision yesterday. I confess that, going in, I gave the Court a lot more credit than the Court eventually showed itself to be due. I wrote that “the people who think the Court is going to reverse no matter what … may well be right.” I was understating things there, but I was convinced that the justices, in reversing, would come up with a stronger opinion than they ultimately did.
They didn’t, because, frankly, there wasn’t anything stronger. And the Supreme Court’s unsigned per curiam opinion—I can’t blame any of the justices for not wanting to put their name on it—makes that painfully, embarrassingly clear. To be sure, the Court deserves some credit. For instance, and with good reason, it didn’t even mention the Trump lawyers’ principal argument, the one that so many people assumed had some purchase: the ridiculous contention that, somehow, the president isn’t an “officer of the United States,” even though the Constitution refers to the presidency as an “office.”
That’s about as much credit as the Court deserves. What the Court did—and I’m referring to all nine justices here, including the ones who wrote concurrences—was make up a holding utterly unmoored from the text or history of the provision it was interpreting, Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment. That bottom-line holding: “States have no power to enforce Section 3 with respect to federal offices, especially the Presidency.” The justices who wrote separate concurrences—the Court’s four women—seemed to agree with at least this statement of the holding, as far as the presidency is concerned.
But here’s the problem. The Fourteenth Amendment does not say that. It could have—but it doesn’t. It says, in Section 5, “Congress shall have power, to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article,” meaning all of the provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment. But just because Congress has the power to enact legislation to enforce each of the Fourteenth Amendment’s various provisions—which include, most notably, the guarantee of “the equal protection of the laws” in Section 1—doesn’t mean that state officials, or federal or state judiciaries, are disempowered to apply the Fourteenth Amendment. To the contrary, because the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, they have a duty to do that. State officials and state courts have an obligation not to “deny to any person within [the state’s] jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws,” regardless of what Congress does or doesn’t do.
So now Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment is the only provision of the Fourteenth Amendment that may require some congressional action to be enforced, at least in some circumstances. The justices effectively carved out Section 3, without any textual or clear historical basis for doing so.
The Court didn’t even reach that result in a way that makes any sense. Section 3 can be enforced by the states, the Court held, but not for federal offices. Where does the Fourteenth Amendment say that? Where does it say, or even suggest, that federal officeholders are different from state officeholders as far as disqualification is concerned? It doesn’t. The best the Court does is quote an earlier opinion, as well as Justice Joseph Story’s Commentaries, to point out, “Because federal officers owe their existence and functions to the united voice of the whole, not a portion of the people, powers over their election and qualifications must be specifically delegated to, rather than reserved by the States.”
That’s all well and good, but that statement doesn’t bear anything approaching the weight the Court places on it. Because it’s the federal Constitution, not any invention of the states, that says that insurrectionists who violate their oath to support the Constitution can’t hold any federal or state office. And the federal Constitution is binding on the states—always. Which is why the Court recognized that the states could apply—must apply, presumably, because, again, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land—Section 3 to oath-defying insurrectionists who seek state office. But if Section 3 must be applied by the states when they conduct state elections, how is it that they must not do so when the office is federal?
I guess I should stop with the logic, because there really isn’t a lot of it in the Court’s opinion. What little logic that does appear is in the form of a policy argument. The Court correctly points out that, when it comes to the presidency, if states were allowed to enforce Section 3 in federal races, a “patchwork” could result, particularly as to presidential candidates. You could have different states applying different standards under Section 3 in different proceedings with different procedures and on differing records, and they could reach differing results as to a particular candidate for the presidency. This, the Court felt, was bad.
Practically speaking, that’s a fair point. As the University of Michigan law professor Richard Primus put it, “The basic substance of the [Court’s] decision—uniform federal process for disqualification in a POTUS election—is reasonable as a matter of constitutional design.” But if I may play conservative scold to this supposedly conservative Court, it’s not for the Supreme Court of the United States to design the Constitution; its job is to apply the one that others designed.
The desire for uniform presidential elections is a great argument for revising the Fourteenth Amendment, but it should have been made to the 39th Congress, whose members did the drafting in 1866. They could have said that states were not free to apply Section 3 on their own, in some or all cases, or only with procedures that Congress specifies. But they didn’t say that. Instead they said that Congress could remove any insurrectionist’s “disability” by a two-thirds majority and, in doing that, made clear that insurrectionists could be barred by other entities—like the states—without action by Congress. What the Court did yesterday, as Primus wrote, simply “doesn’t follow from any theory” of constitutional interpretation “that this Court is willing to endorse.” And despite the Court’s decision on Trump, we will still have a dreaded “patchwork”—because the Constitution has always vested states with the task of running even federal elections. For example, the presidential candidates Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Cornel West will likely be on some state ballots but not others, precisely because, as the Constitution contemplates and allows, states have differing ballot-access rules.
I could go on picking apart the weaknesses and inconsistencies in the Court’s opinion, and legions of law professors will do so for ages to come, but the Court’s lack of convincing reasoning is, frankly, beside the point. The Court’s decision wasn’t about law. It was about fear.
That fear is most apparent in the concurring opinions, which otherwise make little sense. Justice Amy Coney Barrett’s concurrence gave that fear open expression. It’s hard to know what to make of her two-paragraph opinion. In the first sentence, she says she joined Part II-B—the guts, if you will—of the Court’s opinion; then, in the next four sentences, she rejects a good portion of that section. She writes that she agrees only that “states lack the power to enforce Section 3 against Presidential candidates”—not candidates for federal office generally, as the majority held—and that the Court shouldn’t “address whether federal legislation is the exclusive vehicle through which Section 3 can be enforced.” But that’s mostly what Part II-B is all about.
As for the concurrence of Justice Sonia Sotomayor, joined by Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, it does make an important point: that the Court’s opinion went further than it really had to. It’s normally best for judges to make their rulings as narrow as possible, to avoid deciding cases that haven’t yet come before them. And here, Justice Sotomayor writes, all the Court needed to decide was that the states may not apply Section 3 to presidential candidates; it could have avoided the question of whether federal legislation was required for states to do so. But in making her point that “nothing in Section 3’s text supports the majority’s view of how federal disqualification efforts must operate,” she undercuts her own conclusion that the states are barred from holding that an insurrectionist presidential candidate is disqualified. She points out, correctly, that nothing in the Fourteenth Amendment requires federal legislation, and that the provision by which Congress could remove a disqualification undercuts the argument that legislation is required. But these aren’t just arguments against what the majority did; they are solid arguments in favor of upholding Trump’s disqualification. Sotomayor’s concurrence undermines her own vote.
But again, this case wasn’t about legal reasoning; it was about fear. Fear from all the justices, conservatives and liberals, about the impact on the Court of removing Trump from the ballot. And the second paragraph of Justice Barrett’s opinion bleeds fear onto the page. “This is not the time to amplify disagreement with stridency,” she writes. Was that directed at any of her colleagues? Justice Sotomayor’s opinion is hardly strident at all, as far as Supreme Court separate opinions go, even if it makes little more sense than the majority’s. “The Court has settled a politically charged issue in the volatile season of a Presidential election,” Barrett continues. “Particularly in this circumstance, writings on the Court should turn the national temperature down, not up. For present purposes, our differences are far less important than our unanimity: All nine justices agree on the outcome of this case. That is the message Americans should take home.”
Each of these sentences is true. But why say this? Why not let the Court’s unanimity of judgment and reasoning speak for itself, including that of Sotomayor’s concurrence? Because Justice Barrett—and, I suspect, all the justices—were terrified by the case and what it actually required them to do: affirm Trump’s disqualification.
That may sound depressing, but I see reason to take heart. To be sure, it’s a shame, because this was one circumstance where it would have been nice for the Supreme Court justices to show the courage that some of their colleagues in the lower courts have shown when faced with Trump—judges like Lewis Kaplan, in the Carroll case; Tanya Chutkan, in the federal January 6 case; Justice Arthur Engoron in Trump’s New York civil fraud case; and Justice Juan Merchan, in the upcoming New York criminal case stemming from Trump allegedly cooking his books to pay off an adult-film star. Ultimately, though, litigation will not save us from Trump, and no one should believe that it will.
But litigation will have done its part—even Trump v. Anderson, with its dearth of reasoning and not-quite-satisfactory result. Because there was one very important thing the Court didn’t do yesterday. It didn’t cast one word of doubt about, and expressed not a hint of a disagreement with, the amply supported factual conclusion reached by the Colorado courts: Donald Trump engaged in an insurrection. Just as Trump today stands as an adjudicated sexual abuser, so too he remains an adjudicated insurrectionist. It is up to us, as voters, to make use of those findings come November.
Put another way: You can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you get what you need.
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Additionally, as I pointed out above, the Fourteenth Amendment was previously understood to be "undoubtedly self-executing", meaning congressional action (while possible) is not required for it to come into effect.
Post by: Nintex on March 06, 2024, 03:19:16 PM
If they don't wake up soon and change their strategy, Trump is going to crush them.
Post by: Occam on March 07, 2024, 03:54:40 AM
How do you reach those who have insulated themselves against anything that could challenge their propaganda-induced views (at this point I'd say, programming), where up is down, black is white and hot is cold?
There is a reason they readily fall for even the most outlandish conspiracy "theories" and never learn, they are suffering from (or rather, enjoying) terminal brain rot; they don't even experience cognitive dissonance anymore.
These two segments illustrate it nicely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAFbOK01uE4&t=413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAFbOK01uE4&t=525
Edit: Time stamps don't seem to work, go to 06:52 and 08:45
Post by: Occam on March 07, 2024, 02:02:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdv6QfSR4UM
Hope it's shown on Fox, too.
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2024, 02:18:58 AM
Additionally, as I pointed out above, the Fourteenth Amendment was previously understood to be "undoubtedly self-executing", meaning congressional action (while possible) is not required for it to come into effect.No, it can't be "self-executing" to create positive law. This is not how American law works. It's "self-executing" in terms of striking down state and federal laws that violate it. The 14th could bar the Confederates because Congress had declared the states in rebellion in 1861 and barred them from office in 1862. Congress additionally enforced that provision with new law in 1870 so it clearly was not fully "self-executing" even despite the prior existing acts. (That same law also re-enacted the 1866 Civil Rights Act because of doubts that it was constitutional pre-14th something that should be unnecessary if the provisions were self-executing.) States had to ratify the 14th Amendment to be declared out of rebellion with their state constitutions approved by Congress so Congress already had a check on state enforcement that they re-enforced in 1870 by allowing the President to declare martial law.
George Conway is ignorant as usual. Who exactly in the federal government does he think should be deciding eligibility of state candidates? No one has this power granted to them. I have to yet again recommend not listening to lifelong Republican lunatics with no principles like him and the Lincoln Project weirdos.
Post by: Occam on March 08, 2024, 07:29:21 AM
Anyway, I didn't get the self-executing part from Conway or the Lincoln Project (both of whom didn't mention it), I found it looking for precedent and previous rulings.
What Trump did on January 6th was self-evidently an act of insurrection, he tried to prevent the lawful transfer of power and thereby violated his oath of office. Of course the court skirted commenting on Trump's actions.
"However, it is entirely within the power of those who establish and adopt the constitution to make any
of its provisions self-executing, that is, operative without any necessity for further legislation"
https://ia803406.us.archive.org/1/items/westlaw-20-full-text-items-for-american-jurisprudence-2d/Westlaw%20-%207%20full%20text%20items%20for%20American%20Jurisprudence%202d.pdf
In 1883 the Supreme Court declared the 14th Amendment to be self-executing.
Ergo, if an act of insurrection is self-evident no further legislation is required for the perpetrator to be automatically barred from holding office again unless congress exempts him. Which it hasn't.
Post by: Occam on March 08, 2024, 07:40:48 AM
April 25 of course being the very last day of the court's term. Meaning there won't be a ruling for months.
They have done exactly what was feared (or rather, expected) they would do in order to protect their Orange Messiah.
What more do you require to acknowledge the court's blatant corruption?
Post by: Nintex on March 08, 2024, 04:53:57 PM
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“What the hell am I watching right now?” a Trump adviser asked, mid-Britt remarks.
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“Creepy,” one of the Republican pollsters noted.
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A lawyer working in the Trump orbit says the performance reminded them of public-access television, and a senior House congressional aide remarks that it was “cringe”-inducing to watch and likely destined to be turned into a “lame [Saturday Night Live] skit” this weekend.
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“I’ll give Biden this — he at least gave a better speech than Katie Britt,” one national Republican consultant said bluntly.:trumps
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2024, 09:53:37 PM
Is it also self-executing in regards to a rogue court that tries to limit it? So you have no issue with the five concurrences that went beyond the scope of the question and neutered part of the 14th Amendment?Again, you aren't even reading the Supreme Court from 1883 in context of what it's saying. You're plucking out a sentence then changing the meaning to match your ignorance.
Anyway, I didn't get the self-executing part from Conway or the Lincoln Project (both of whom didn't mention it), I found it looking for precedent and previous rulings.
What Trump did on January 6th was self-evidently an act of insurrection, he tried to prevent the lawful transfer of power and thereby violated his oath of office. Of course the court skirted commenting on Trump's actions.
"However, it is entirely within the power of those who establish and adopt the constitution to make any
of its provisions self-executing, that is, operative without any necessity for further legislation"
https://ia803406.us.archive.org/1/items/westlaw-20-full-text-items-for-american-jurisprudence-2d/Westlaw%20-%207%20full%20text%20items%20for%20American%20Jurisprudence%202d.pdf
In 1883 the Supreme Court declared the 14th Amendment to be self-executing.
Ergo, if an act of insurrection is self-evident no further legislation is required for the perpetrator to be automatically barred from holding office again unless congress exempts him. Which it hasn't.
You're doing it again with whatever that quote is from. As I told you but you seem to desire to ignore to maintain your fantasy world, this is not how American law works, higher law does not automatically promulgate new lower law without legislation. It only negatively voids prior law.
Under your reasoning all the Red States could bar Democrats from federal offices by simply declaring it "self-evidently an act of insurrection" as you did.
And yes, of course the Court "skirted commenting on Trump's actions" because this is not what the Supreme Court does. It does not decide specific cases.
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2024, 10:04:10 PM
Or to use another example, this is why states still had abortion bans that could reactivate after Roe was reversed, because there's no federal legislation on it.
Post by: Nintex on March 13, 2024, 03:52:22 PM
:trumps
Post by: Nintex on March 14, 2024, 06:25:49 PM
https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1768360928037212598 (https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1768360928037212598)
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oEjHCWdU7F4hkcudy/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b95258nf7ptj6li0tqp7k27rub07p57zy667uxg562tv&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
Post by: Nintex on March 22, 2024, 04:10:22 PM
It's gonna be a bloodbath alright.
Post by: Nintex on March 25, 2024, 04:19:27 PM
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oEjHCWdU7F4hkcudy/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b95258nf7ptj6li0tqp7k27rub07p57zy667uxg562tv&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2024, 09:05:04 PM
I'll have to eat crow and say how wrong I was about the right. I've been struggling with this for years in accepting how I'm not truly liberal, if I ever was, and the Democratic Party. My viewpoints don't align with them. I often agree with a lot of Republican talking points and arguments. I think conservatives can make good arguments. I realize I'm more conservative in a lot of ways. But in that I started to disbelieve liberals when they'd argue Republicans want to get rid of rights for women or that they were fascists or racists. It felt like ridiculous rhetoric. I've been observing both parties over the past few months.
I've noticed the uptick in abject racists on Twitter/X. Another thing I'll say I was wrong on was Elon Musk buying it being bad for discourse. Him buying it has un-Earthed an unhinged group of white supremacists emboldened by, even outright supported by him. I'm so used to liberals saying this guy is a Nazi, McCain is a Nazi, that guy is a Nazi, Romney is a Nazi my whole life that I started to just tune out any time liberals spoke of someone being potentially fascist or racist. I was wrong for that. Deeply so. It's like recently they've gone mask off.
Liberals were also right about how Republicans don't want women to have any rights for their body and in my naivete I truly believed that the Republican Party would stop at limits following the Dobbs ruling and leave it to reasonable time frames like 16 weeks. The opposite happened: states like my home state of Texas would institute 8 week bills, and outright endanger girls and women that were victims of sexual assault even girls as young as 10. Now we see clearly what they want for women.
In recent months Republicans online and offline in their political rhetoric have gone after a term called DEI. It has transformed into a replacement for the n word, the same way they used woke and CRT. Today the city of Baltimore has been struck with tragedy when a ship hit the Key Bridge, destroying an important passageway. All Republicans can do is blame the "DEI Mayor" (who was rightfully elected by the way, which goes against the very idea of DEI) and the DEI governor for no reason other than them being black. They use online platforms such as the Musk acquired Twitter to spread hate and fuel animosity.
https://x.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1772684099703984526
https://x.com/Bubblebathgirl/status/1772600662544515241
This from the same people that said Obama and Biden are divisive towards Americans. Even an American tragedy that affects us all cannot deter their hate.
I now eat the crumbs of my own foolishness and have to express how right liberals were about them and how utterly, utterly wrong I was.
We can wrap this up in almost any issue. Let's start with immigration.
It's good to have a tighter border and now allow illegal immigrants to walk into America without being vetted. That's reasonable and I still stand by that. But that's not the reason the Republican Party doesn't want illegal immigrants. They don't want them because they're not white.
I've finally realized the wisdom of my ancestors. Being more conservative is fine but if you are, remember to vote Democratic. Unfortunately, although the party is filled and filled with numerous issues they're our best bet because people I've described need strict opposition and our country cannot afford an ounce of fence sitting.
Post by: BIONIC on March 26, 2024, 09:25:09 PM
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2024, 09:39:40 PM
lol
I agree. Please laugh.
(https://i.imgur.com/CbjfQXy.gif)
Will I ever be free of the Democratic Party? At this point, who cares?
Post by: who is ted danson? on March 27, 2024, 06:33:07 PM
Post by: Occam on March 28, 2024, 02:58:53 PM
For example, after Brown schools did not just automatically desegregate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_resistance
Or to use another example, this is why states still had abortion bans that could reactivate after Roe was reversed, because there's no federal legislation on it.
Thank you for pointing out my misunderstanding regarding the meaning of self-executing in this context.
You didn't address the more pertinent issue though, where the Supreme Court neutered part of the 14th Amendment, by answering a question that wasn't actually asked (which several justices did not agree with).
The text of 14th Amendment does not say anything about requiring further congressional action to determine applicability, and it does not say that states can't enforce it.
Insurrection and incitement thereof is illegal, as per criminal code 18 USC 2383: Rebellion or insurrection, which was enacted by the federal government. Meaning, congress has alreday acted.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-1999-title18-section2383&num=0&edition=1999
So if Trump were to be charged (locally or federally) with inciting an insurrection and found guilty (which is of course hypothetical because it hasn't happened), he would be barred from holding office again.
The first part of the Supreme Court decision is ok (states can't simply determine ineligibility [without proper prosecution], the second part (only congress, not a court of law can determine if incitement took place) is not.
Tl;dr “States have no power to enforce Section 3 with respect to federal offices, especially the Presidency.” is nowhere to be found in the text of the 14th Amendment.