Obviously much of the dialogue and filler content will be made up, since the books just cover this stuff via historical recollection but...it sounds pretty faithful to George's ideas. And he says he's very hands on with this show. That's not really what I want to hear of course, given that it's just more evidence of how far away we are from TWOW but hey. I doubt the book comes out at this point.
There are going to be some big battles and big shock moments (blood and cheese...) but I wouldn't expect anything to match the Red Wedding or other major moments from Thrones. 17 dragons and crazy battles, plus some of major events, will be enough to ensure this is good. As long as the filler stuff isn't bad.
I have no faith this will be any good.
This show should have been called Dance of the Dragons but somebody in HBO's marketing dept probably got too uppity about "Dance" being girly or something, change my mindHouse of the Dragon is a better name. Rolls off the tongue better, much like Game of Thrones was better than A Game of Thrones
This show should have been called Dance of the Dragons but somebody in HBO's marketing dept probably got too uppity about "Dance" being girly or something, change my mindIIRC the initial idea was that they'd do some type of anthology of Targ history, and the question was where they'd start. Aegon's Conquest? Dance Of Dragons? The Young Dragon? And they just happened to pick the Dance, which IMO was the best choice.
A lot of things are happening in Westeros as a continent, and there’s stuff going on all over, but what House of the Dragon mostly concerns us with is the issue of succession to the Iron Throne. Of course, the show starts in 101 AC at the Great Council, which the old King Harris has called to let the Lords of the realm advise him on who should succeed to the Iron throne after he dies.
Then the war itself breaks out in 129 AC, so we have basically a 28-year run just in the first season here. And you see the various characters introduced and the conflict begin to grow, the seeds of what will eventually be a war. But not right away. The seeds grow and feelings intensify and grievances are collected and all of that stuff, so, yeah, there’s a lot going on there.
I thought Daemon was supposed to be a cool badass rugged pirate-y character you root for.
How much incest was in the first episode?
They have a complete story to follow here with the "Dance of the Dragons," right?
Meanwhile with Game of Thrones/ASOIAF the actual author still hasn't figured out how to finish it :lol
Quotespoiler (click to show/hide)I thought Daemon was supposed to be a cool badass rugged pirate-y character you root for.[close]
You are really confusing some characters from another.
First ep was ehhh, ok.
Kind of boring. Wasted like half the ep on a zzzzz jousting festival.
Having skipped forward a few years here and there, it jumps forward another decade for episode six, during which time everyone has a lot of children. (There is as much childbirth in this as an episode of One Born Every Minute, though oddly enough, it lacks that warm fuzzy feeling.) A handful of the characters are recast as adults, and the action is reset, though not as definitively as it first seems. This leap might have been jarring, but this is so elegant and proper, so obviously well-made, that there was no real chance of a misstep like that. House of the Dragon is gorgeous, opulent television, cinematic and big, pushing at the edges of what TV can do. It is just that little bit less fun than its predecessor.
I do wonder if the show will have a problem in that I can't think of a single audience likeable character in the whole story. There's no Jon Snow, Ned Stark, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion kind of characters to get behind.
It kinda seems like it could be a 8 season long show that's like GoT with all the lead characters removed and only the side characters.
It's a good story but everyone is pretty grey area. The novella is more like watching a sporting match "team 1 takes first base, team 2 counters with a fastball, etc..." partly in how it's being told stylistically, but also partly because there are no PoV type characters to get behind.
One major bummer I had was no cool opening. They basically gave up trying to make something as memorable as GoT's opening credits, but I still would have liked to have seen *something.* Opening credits being a dying art makes me really sad.
Condal and Sapochnik told ET the House of Dragon theme song and opening credits will be unveiled for the first time in episode 2, explaining “it was a creative choice,” to leave them out of the series premiere.
“It seemed important that once the curtain went up so to speak, having a title sequence felt like an indulgence,” they told ET. “We wanted to get on and tell the story.”
My question is over whether normies will stick around without a clear Hero's Journey storyline like Thrones had in Jon. I think his plot kinda anchored the whole thing for most bro-types who might have checked out on fantasy schtick and political scheming otherwise.
That may be why they threw that extremely forced (but apparently GRRM approved) dialog at the end about Aegon dreaming of White Walkers.
I do wonder if the show will have a problem in that I can't think of a single audience likeable character in the whole story. There's no Jon Snow, Ned Stark, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion kind of characters to get behind.
It kinda seems like it could be a 8 season long show that's like GoT with all the lead characters removed and only the side characters.
It's a good story but everyone is pretty grey area. The novella is more like watching a sporting match "team 1 takes first base, team 2 counters with a fastball, etc..." partly in how it's being told stylistically, but also partly because there are no PoV type characters to get behind.
One major bummer I had was no cool opening. They basically gave up trying to make something as memorable as GoT's opening credits, but I still would have liked to have seen *something.* Opening credits being a dying art makes me really sad.
You're in luck, it'll have an opening sequence starting with episode 2QuoteCondal and Sapochnik told ET the House of Dragon theme song and opening credits will be unveiled for the first time in episode 2, explaining “it was a creative choice,” to leave them out of the series premiere.
“It seemed important that once the curtain went up so to speak, having a title sequence felt like an indulgence,” they told ET. “We wanted to get on and tell the story.”
https://decider.com/2022/08/22/house-of-the-dragon-opening-sequence/
Just watch what fits your taste :elon:jeanluc
THR: ‘House of the Dragon’: Here’s What the Small Council’s Balls Are For (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/house-dragon-small-council-balls-explained-1235202056/)Hopefully they start selling these so I can use them for my own meetings.
Neat.
Surprised it didn't happen Monday or Tuesday tbh. There's no universe this would be cancelled. Even if <50k people watched it WBD would soft reboot it for S2 and keep it going. So much is riding on it right now.
When GOT ended and spin offs were tossed around, that far future pitch was popular. With the idea that it wouldn’t be traditional fantasy. More akin to a post industrial revolution state or wild west fantasy hybrid deal.
Was pretty lame using the Game of Thrones theme outright (just with new, more confusing visuals) after the initial 10 seconds of "holy shit."
Should have been at least a cover or remix or something. It's not something I'll hate hearing going forward, but was hoping for something a little fresher.
Eh season 1 didn't have dragons and it did fine. Most of S2-4 didn't have bigass fire breathing lizards, either IIRC.S1 ratings were rather average until the end of the season though, and jumped for episode 10 after Ned's death. Ending that ep with the dragon birth was a major reason more people tuned in for S2. Ratings wise the Red Wedding is what really set things off pop culture wise and made it THE show, but that season (S3) was also the first time we saw the dragons in action. People were waiting for the dragons to get bigger and for Dany to arrive in Westeros.
It's somewhat unfortunate HBO chose HotD as the next show as that does kinda lock the franchise into being just "MUH DRAGONS" from now until the end of time I guess. I think they had the right instinct initially with trying super non-Thrones ideas.
Not shading GOT, but the armor designs are great here. Be it production values or a choice to show it’s an age of inexperienced men who value aesthetic and status over practicality in combat.
Not shading GOT, but the armor designs are great here. Be it production values or a choice to show it’s an age of inexperienced men who value aesthetic and status over practicality in combat.The quote in the first episode about the men not knowing real battle/war reminded me of Catelyn's comment's to Renly and his supporters. From season two of GoT. The book...
Not shading GOT, but the armor designs are great here. Be it production values or a choice to show it’s an age of inexperienced men who value aesthetic and status over practicality in combat.
Not shading GOT, but the armor designs are great here. Be it production values or a choice to show it’s an age of inexperienced men who value aesthetic and status over practicality in combat.
Costumes and armor are the kind of things I really took for granted until I saw other shows do it badly. And I mean it's not just the design but the actual craftmanship put into those pieces. Some of the stuff we've seen from Rings of Power looks actually worse despite the insane budget (though maybe it'll better in the final show). HBO seems to have a well oiled machine going when it comes to game of thrones.
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1561835586331238402
whew we back
And for the record, people are still enjoying the premiere—its viewership has jumped up from 20 million viewers to 25.
Alan Taylor is the director of Thor 2 The Dark World, and the terrible finale in the second last season of Thrones where they all go beyond the wall and do stupid shit. In fact. In that season he was also the "replacement" for Sapochnik for the big action episode.
"Sapochnik is leaving and Taylor is taking over" is the worst GoT news ever.
"Sapochnik is leaving and Taylor is taking over" is the worst GoT news ever.
Sapochnik worked for months helping develop Dragon with his friend Condal before coming on board. Sapochnik had been very reluctant to officially join the project, a stance that perhaps foreshadowed his current exit. “Miguel said, ‘I’m never doing Thrones again,’” Condal recalled.
“I went through a lot of vacillating,” Sapochnik admitted. “Ryan and I had a long-standing relationship and we work well together and we really like each other — that was half the battle. As we got deeper into the discussions, I realized I had to shit or get off the pot.”
Book people are saying (autocorrect, take the wheel) Allison in the book had her personality and scheming grafted onto Otto? Helped get audiences comfortable with HOTD by likening him to Littlefinger. She seemed to enjoy her station this episode and further expanding it with the older actress.
So I completely caved in and watched episode 1. I actually liked it, but it has a long way to go to make me a fan. Later GoT seasons have a lot to answer for.
It's interesting to make a little time jump between every episode. I assume it's similar in the book?
Means you need to pay a little more attention to keep up but it also adds a nice momentum to the story.
It's interesting to make a little time jump between every episode. I assume it's similar in the book?
Means you need to pay a little more attention to keep up but it also adds a nice momentum to the story.
The book is a fictional history book, not a narrative, and I haven't read it but I assume it glosses over things and doesn't include much of the interpersonal drama that will compose this show.
It's interesting to make a little time jump between every episode. I assume it's similar in the book?
Means you need to pay a little more attention to keep up but it also adds a nice momentum to the story.
The book is a fictional history book, not a narrative, and I haven't read it but I assume it glosses over things and doesn't include much of the interpersonal drama that will compose this show.
Ah interesting. Sounds like it took some real work then to adapt this.
Storyline wasn't really the problem with those seasons, it was the execution though.So I completely caved in and watched episode 1. I actually liked it, but it has a long way to go to make me a fan. Later GoT seasons have a lot to answer for.
Fantheorywanking says they're trying to retcon the last two seasons. I wouldn't say there's zero proof, either.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/house-dragon-fans-noticed-very-160000094.html
Storyline wasn't really the problem with those seasons, it was the execution though.So I completely caved in and watched episode 1. I actually liked it, but it has a long way to go to make me a fan. Later GoT seasons have a lot to answer for.
Fantheorywanking says they're trying to retcon the last two seasons. I wouldn't say there's zero proof, either.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/house-dragon-fans-noticed-very-160000094.html
Also having a relative handful of characters to focus on instead of starting with loads to begin with has made this feel more focused and better than Thrones (which I never got into).
I must say that they nailed the casting for the Targaryens.
I might need to give Thrones another chance, I never made it past the first series besides watching a couple of the more notorious final series episodes as a kind of zeitgeist thing so I could lol at it too with everyone else.
Is it sustainable with all the time jumps? Talking season to season. Or is the pitch, fitting the title, an anthology about the Targaryens? Say, covering a different generation in season 2? That’d be interesting, too. Given enough time, say season 4 or 5, it loops around to Aerys and Robert’s Rebellion without feeling like GOT flashbacks recycled.
Biggest cop out was the Night King dying in the first battle.Storyline wasn't really the problem with those seasons, it was the execution though.So I completely caved in and watched episode 1. I actually liked it, but it has a long way to go to make me a fan. Later GoT seasons have a lot to answer for.
Fantheorywanking says they're trying to retcon the last two seasons. I wouldn't say there's zero proof, either.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/house-dragon-fans-noticed-very-160000094.html
Some of the storyline was absolutely the problem. I don't believe Arya will kill the Night King (who doesn't exist in the books anyways) in ASOIAF. Most of the complaints of the ending probably aren't even possible in the books. Faegon alone changes most of the calculus surrounding Dany, not to mention Book Euron's Cthulufication ambitions and Lady Stoneheart.
Is it sustainable with all the time jumps? Talking season to season. Or is the pitch, fitting the title, an anthology about the Targaryens? Say, covering a different generation in season 2? That’d be interesting, too. Given enough time, say season 4 or 5, it loops around to Aerys and Robert’s Rebellion without feeling like GOT flashbacks recycled.
I think GRRM said this current "era" could be 2-3 seasons, with another couple seasons chronicling other eras of Targs.
We don't know if the series will move chronologically or if it'll jump around.
Like I said, there isn't even a Night King in the books, so how the White Walkers (or rather Wights and Others) get resolved is honestly anyone's guess.There's a Nights King but he's dead in the books.
This isn’t anywhere near as good as GoT.It's good, not great. Could have said the same about early S1 of GoT which IMO didn't become really good until the final four episodes or so. Bebpo probably speaks for a lot of people. I think whether people read the books or not, they generally know what this is building towards. The first show and world ensure a lot of people will be patient, and the ratings keep getting better so clearly it's working. Once the main story kicks in I think it has the potential to be a great show. One thing that's really good so far, especially when compared to GoT, is the writing. That's only gonna get better as the plot unfurls.
Was a fine ep, but it's the first ep where I just want the show to hurry up and get where it's going this season.
spoiler (click to show/hide)btw Rhaenyra turning from a miserable cow and heavily implied lesbian into a cock loving whore after an incestuous fumble was a little too silly for me[close]
I'm not a "but in the book.." guy BUT
I do wonder if next ep is gonna kill the show.spoiler (click to show/hide)I feel like Rhaenyra's actress has been carrying the show so far in terms of charisma and viewer attachment. Losing the show's best actress besides the king is gonna be tough for the back half. Initially I was on team recast, but at this point I think it sucks to lose her actress.
The new kids better be charismatic and interesting.[close]
I didn't understand the Cole scene in terms of editing. Like it was very confusing when it cut from the two Targs close up and then a scream. Felt like it was missing a quick scene of what prompted that.Cole has a conversation with Rhaenyra on the boat. His idea was that it was only a matter of time before she would marry him (as her intention was to decide for herself) and not some random lord.
One thing I was confused by was Alicent's turn.
Cole's confession basically refuted creepy dude's garden whisperings (she got the tea because she banged Cole, not Daemon as far as Alicent knew). She should have been back on #TeamRhaenyra at that point, unless that 2-minute conversation with her dad about Rhae killing her babies or whatever completely changed the outlook she's held her entire life. :thinking A scene which takes place before Cole's confession. :thinking
Alicent comes in ready for war with her former best friend and I'm really unsure why.
Not feeling the new actor for Rhaenrya. Looks nothing like the younger one.
To me, actor to actor, young Rhaenyra looks younger than young Alicent. Old Rhaenyra looks older than old Alicent. Just an observation.
Could be worse. Could be the Daario switch.
Cmon at least let us see the death of the king? No fucking way that rotting corpse held on another 10 years.
And now we might not see him die at all? We've been watching him crumble every episode... 🤣
I'm on the other side of the fence. I'm so tired of shit never happening in most TV shows because it's constantly just cutting to "the next day." Like a glacier.
My complaint is I feel like we're getting an elongated setup before the real show, but I have no problem with the actual episode-to-episode pacing.
My ignorant perspective from the first episode: the most heroic good guy was the Dornish jouster. Could be how little you see of him. What little there was, he’s honorable-ish.
I'd be very surprised if we don't get a least one more scene with the younger actors. Maybe to make a smooth transition that right away makes it clear they're supposed to be the same character
From what I’m reading, there’s going to be another time skip this season, with some new actors, before finally settling? Much of season 1 is essentially prologue to the real story?
They could've just started with where this season will end or next season starts. With the main cast and the main story starting.
I'm not going to fault them for wanting to give a season to introduce and develop these characters first though. I'm not sure if the story would work just jumping into the main timeline because shit pops off immediately and then it's just nonstop events. I think doing this season to do the character development stuff first will end up paying off in terms of audience attachment to the characters.
But it is a bit weird. Plus most of the good stuff doesn't actually start until next season so it's sorta a big teaser and then a year wait until S2. I think S1 finale is gonna be really good though.
Book spoilers for S1 finalespoiler (click to show/hide)At this point I'm pretty sure the king dying and Alicent making her play and the war officially beginning is going to be the season finale. At first I thought they were gonna wait until S2 ep1 to start the war, but they're not going to do 9-10 hours of build up towards a clash and then just end the season and wait a year for that clash to begin.
So the finale should be really exciting and a big pay off for everything built up in the season. And will get people hooked for S2.
Can't wait.[close]
Flashbacks can be tricky if not handled well. I'm not opposed to starting the way they did, I just think the pacing and scenes should have been altered in order to prepare people better for the jumps. Flashbacks and a flurry/onslaught of new names and characters to remember may have been too much for television.They could've just started with where this season will end or next season starts. With the main cast and the main story starting.
I'm not going to fault them for wanting to give a season to introduce and develop these characters first though. I'm not sure if the story would work just jumping into the main timeline because shit pops off immediately and then it's just nonstop events. I think doing this season to do the character development stuff first will end up paying off in terms of audience attachment to the characters.
But it is a bit weird. Plus most of the good stuff doesn't actually start until next season so it's sorta a big teaser and then a year wait until S2. I think S1 finale is gonna be really good though.
Book spoilers for S1 finalespoiler (click to show/hide)At this point I'm pretty sure the king dying and Alicent making her play and the war officially beginning is going to be the season finale. At first I thought they were gonna wait until S2 ep1 to start the war, but they're not going to do 9-10 hours of build up towards a clash and then just end the season and wait a year for that clash to begin.
So the finale should be really exciting and a big pay off for everything built up in the season. And will get people hooked for S2.
Can't wait.[close]
major spoilers watch outspoiler (click to show/hide)The spoilers that floated around a year ago claimed that the season will end with Aemond killing Lucerys over Shipbreaker Bay, and Rhaenyra learning the news. Of course the problem with that is it means that within these next couple episodes there has to be another time jump and Aegon II has to get married to set up the Blood & Cheese thing early next season.
I think viewers like Rhae but besides sympathy for the character I'm not sure how much Lucerys' death will hit people. I think it'll instead be a "omg dragon fight cool" reaction from people. They've got to really make sure that when S2 starts, everyone is ready to go. Jacerys vowing to avenge his brother, Daemon marrying Rhae, etc.[close]
Flashbacks can be tricky if not handled well. I'm not opposed to starting the way they did, I just think the pacing and scenes should have been altered in order to prepare people better for the jumps. Flashbacks and a flurry/onslaught of new names and characters to remember may have been too much for television.They could've just started with where this season will end or next season starts. With the main cast and the main story starting.
I'm not going to fault them for wanting to give a season to introduce and develop these characters first though. I'm not sure if the story would work just jumping into the main timeline because shit pops off immediately and then it's just nonstop events. I think doing this season to do the character development stuff first will end up paying off in terms of audience attachment to the characters.
But it is a bit weird. Plus most of the good stuff doesn't actually start until next season so it's sorta a big teaser and then a year wait until S2. I think S1 finale is gonna be really good though.
Book spoilers for S1 finalespoiler (click to show/hide)At this point I'm pretty sure the king dying and Alicent making her play and the war officially beginning is going to be the season finale. At first I thought they were gonna wait until S2 ep1 to start the war, but they're not going to do 9-10 hours of build up towards a clash and then just end the season and wait a year for that clash to begin.
So the finale should be really exciting and a big pay off for everything built up in the season. And will get people hooked for S2.
Can't wait.[close]
major spoilers watch outspoiler (click to show/hide)The spoilers that floated around a year ago claimed that the season will end with Aemond killing Lucerys over Shipbreaker Bay, and Rhaenyra learning the news. Of course the problem with that is it means that within these next couple episodes there has to be another time jump and Aegon II has to get married to set up the Blood & Cheese thing early next season.
I think viewers like Rhae but besides sympathy for the character I'm not sure how much Lucerys' death will hit people. I think it'll instead be a "omg dragon fight cool" reaction from people. They've got to really make sure that when S2 starts, everyone is ready to go. Jacerys vowing to avenge his brother, Daemon marrying Rhae, etc.[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)I'm confused though, I thought that happens in the novella well after the king dies and the war starts. Like my recollection of events is that Princess and the Queen novella basically started with the king's death and then Alicent making her play, and then everyone assembling allies but no actual fighting/deaths, and then the Daemon thing happens and the deaths and fighting starts rolling.
Maybe my memory is off on the timeline and the king doesn't die until further in? But that wouldn't make sense. They wouldn't be killing each other's kids with the king still alive watching it go on. Doesn't the king need to die first?
Unless you're saying the king will die and Alicent will make her move before the finale ep and then they'll go even further and do the dragon fight by the finale. Which I guess is possible, but GRRM's comments on this season sounded like the war doesn't start until S2. Although maybe 'officially' the war doesn't start until after the first kids are dead on each side so maybe that's what he means. Given the pace they've been going so far, that would seem kind of rushing the start of the war stuff in this season though, so idk.[close]
Probably my favorite episode and the best mixture of intrigue and "action" in awhile. Starting off with the oddly tense family reception scene. Really liked how you could imagine what each character wanted to say to each other during that awkwardly silent period.
I liked the return of Heleana Targaryen and them establishing that she is...off. And of course the episode including the conclusion of her Aemond prophesy from the previous ep about having to close an eye before receiving a dragon. Not to mention Otto Hightower noting that winning over the largest dragon to the greens was important.
Speaking of greens I remain baffled why they never really established the "greens and blacks" thing given that it's perhaps the first iconic historical moment in the story. It's largely felt like Alicent has all the schemers and allies whereas Rhaenyra has drifted from embarrassment to embarrassment (as an adult) until last night. I know a lot of it is coming later but introducing more great houses and the who may or may not favor who would have been a good move.
The only thing I didn't really like was the end with them plotting to kill Laenor. Just seemed like another questionable mis-reading of GRRM when it comes to what a "gray character" is. In the books it's rumored that Daemon had Laenor killed, just as it's rumored that he had Harwin killed. I've got no issue with Daemon doing it in the show, I just wish Rhaenyra wasn't involved. Also didn't like them fucking on the beach lol. Just reckless behavior from someone who often seems unserious or oblivious about her claim and the responsibilities she has...and then to suddenly turn into Michael Corleone and have your husband killed ehhh.
Looks like the final time jump is next, and then shit hits the fan.
That throne room scene in Ep 8 deserves a fucking Oscar. For everyone. Even the gaffers. Fucking hell...
I think they're just gonna make little changes throughout so both sides are more sympathetic and it's more a tragedy war than a viscous war. I'm not 100% against these kind of changes because we talked initially about the issue with the story being that they aren't really likeable "team good guys" like the Starks in this to get behind. So this gives people less hesitance to get behind sides because they're less ruthless, more human.
That being said, in terms of toning down
MAJOR SPOILERSspoiler (click to show/hide)I wonder if they're going to tone down the kid for a kid assassination since people are starting to come around to liking Daemon and like Rheanyra and that'll be the first really brutal thing they do in the show.[close]
Hey PD, was the Alicent bit in the very end in the book? I don't remember it and like with the Laenor thing last ep it seems to be another way they keep softening the two sides to make them more sympathetic and humans instead of ruthless and less likeable.
Spoiler for next ep:spoiler (click to show/hide)I.e. in the show are they making it that Alicent is grabbing the throne because she legit feels the king changed his mind on succession in this deathbed and that Aegon is the rightful heir vs the book being a more tenious basis power grab outting the real heir for power?[close]
I think they're just gonna make little changes throughout so both sides are more sympathetic and it's more a tragedy war than a viscous war. I'm not 100% against these kind of changes because we talked initially about the issue with the story being that they aren't really likeable "team good guys" like the Starks in this to get behind. So this gives people less hesitance to get behind sides because they're less ruthless, more human.
That being said, in terms of toning down
MAJOR SPOILERSspoiler (click to show/hide)I wonder if they're going to tone down the kid for a kid assassination since people are starting to come around to liking Daemon and like Rheanyra and that'll be the first really brutal thing they do in the show.[close]
major spoilers run awayspoiler (click to show/hide)I think that will actually work well. Based on the spoilers, S1 ends with Rhae learning that Luke has been killed by Aemond in a dragon battle. At which point she decides to go all out to win the war. Daemon greenlighting the murders may be ugly but given his...rogue (lol) behavior it's not out of line. Rhae didn't know of the plot. I don't remember what her reaction was in the book.
I think people are so invested in Daemon that nothing will really take him down. He's a badass who will avenge his step-son. If anything, I could see there being a worse reaction to his upcoming affair with Nettles next season. Then again I'm sure they're gonna cast a black actress for that, which will excite certain segments of twitter who love that type of stuff.[close]
I think they're just gonna make little changes throughout so both sides are more sympathetic and it's more a tragedy war than a viscous war. I'm not 100% against these kind of changes because we talked initially about the issue with the story being that they aren't really likeable "team good guys" like the Starks in this to get behind. So this gives people less hesitance to get behind sides because they're less ruthless, more human.
That being said, in terms of toning down
MAJOR SPOILERSspoiler (click to show/hide)I wonder if they're going to tone down the kid for a kid assassination since people are starting to come around to liking Daemon and like Rheanyra and that'll be the first really brutal thing they do in the show.[close]
major spoilers run awayspoiler (click to show/hide)I think that will actually work well. Based on the spoilers, S1 ends with Rhae learning that Luke has been killed by Aemond in a dragon battle. At which point she decides to go all out to win the war. Daemon greenlighting the murders may be ugly but given his...rogue (lol) behavior it's not out of line. Rhae didn't know of the plot. I don't remember what her reaction was in the book.
I think people are so invested in Daemon that nothing will really take him down. He's a badass who will avenge his step-son. If anything, I could see there being a worse reaction to his upcoming affair with Nettles next season. Then again I'm sure they're gonna cast a black actress for that, which will excite certain segments of twitter who love that type of stuff.[close]
Major spoilers cont'dspoiler (click to show/hide)So are people thinking this season ends on that and the assassin thing is ep1 of S2?[close]
https://twitter.com/HOTDsource/status/1579570440494018560
:clap
Four seasons makes sense but I still think you could do it with 3. Second season would basically be the wildest shit on television in years, and S3 would largely be a lot of aftermath and conclusions. Four seasons give them time to spread the big stuff around.
I didn't like the scene but I thought it highlighted how dumb GoT was. Cersei blows up the Sept Of Baelor, murdering the queen, Hand, High Septon, and multiple lords and ladies. There's zero followup, zero consequences for it. The story just moves on. Here Rhaenys avoids killing anyone for the obvious reason that becoming a kinslayer and murdering the High Septon in the Sept of Baelor would be an egregious violation of gods and men.
But if dumb (but admittedly cool) stuff like that in GoT excited you, you're going to say last night's scene was wack because she couldn't have killed xyz but didn't. In reality, she wasn't going to murder half her family in church fellas.
I forgot about that, you're right. But in terms of consequences socially or realm wise? None. Nobody cared outside of Tommen.I didn't like the scene but I thought it highlighted how dumb GoT was. Cersei blows up the Sept Of Baelor, murdering the queen, Hand, High Septon, and multiple lords and ladies. There's zero followup, zero consequences for it. The story just moves on. Here Rhaenys avoids killing anyone for the obvious reason that becoming a kinslayer and murdering the High Septon in the Sept of Baelor would be an egregious violation of gods and men.
But if dumb (but admittedly cool) stuff like that in GoT excited you, you're going to say last night's scene was wack because she couldn't have killed xyz but didn't. In reality, she wasn't going to murder half her family in church fellas.
Pretty sure Tommen commuting suicide is the consequence of Cerci blowing up the church dude :doge
I didn't quite understand what was going on with the doors. Hightower was yelling to open them but the guards kept trying to close them, trapping the people inside. Did the guards think they could keep the dragon inside?I think those doors are fire proof so they wanted to keep the fire inside in case of dracarys.
Episode 10 leaked, might watch it today. 😎😎😎
The TV show making Aemon less viscous (also making them both suck at controlling their dragons) and it being an accident seems like a bad change.
Not to mention the over reliance on the prophesy, not only as a plot device but to tie the series to GoT. Nevermind that a Targaryen wasn't on the throne when the Others arose, nor did a Targaryen (or an Aegon) end the Long Night. It's like the writers keep trying to harp on something that was already fucked up by David and Dan.
Another thing I misliked... first off I'm not a lore guy who is upset about changes or differences; as long as the spirit of the work is honored or respect I'm good, usually. That being said, creating this weird Rhae v Daemon dynamic, with her claiming the current dragons haven't been in war when they all know Vhagar exists was insaneDidn't she say this in response to Daemon listing all the dragons they have? I thought she meant that their own dragons haven't been to war, so they'd be no match for Vhagar.
not to mention the dragons involved in the Stepstones. I'm surprised nobody threw a red flag on that in the writing process. The other guys have the biggest and most seasoned dragon...Daemon is 100% right, you're gonna need all the dragons you can muster.True, I didn't think about this during the episode, but Daemon spoke as if they had the upper hand, which they don't in a dragon vs. dragon fight. I guess they do if Rhaenyra is willing to burn everything to the ground. I haven't read the books though. :doge
Question, what was Daemon doing when he was humming to his dragon? What was that scene about?Dragons have to be bound to a human in order to control it. In Valyria they mainly used horns to control dragons, but spells were used as well. Dragons understand Valyrian, so I assumed he was using a spell to either bind a dragon to himself or prepare it for another rider.
Where are people hearing this 2024 talk? I assumed it would be on the traditional release format, so late 2023.
Where are people hearing this 2024 talk? I assumed it would be on the traditional release format, so late 2023.Pre-production starts (or started) October 2022. Filming will start March 2023 and probably run through June 2023 or August 2023 in case of reshoots.
That to me points more to like an early 2024 date, similar to when GoT would debut in March or April.Where are people hearing this 2024 talk? I assumed it would be on the traditional release format, so late 2023.Pre-production starts (or started) October 2022. Filming will start March 2023 and probably run through June 2023 or August 2023 in case of reshoots.
Then there's editing, VFX and marketing. They'll probably release it between August - October 2024 like the first season.
Also what was the point in having an extremely graphic miscarriage scene, for no one to give a fuck really?
Other than George R R Martin being a sick freak.
HBO and HBO Max chief content officer Casey Bloys says the popular Game of Thrones prequel series likely will return for Season 2 "sometime in '24," telling Vulture, "We're just starting to put the plan together, and just like last time, there are so many unknowns. It's not to be coy or secretive, but you don't want to say it's going to be ready on this date, and then you have to move it."
On one point, though, Bloys seems fairly firm: "Don't expect it in 2023."
She got pregnant when Daemon fucked her ???Well obviously, but when? When was the child conceived? She wasn't showing at all..
She got pregnant when Daemon fucked her ???Well obviously, but when? When was the child conceived? She wasn't showing at all..
Was it during the episode they had sex as adults? Couldn't be, that was 6 years ago.
Yes, I get that no doubt they have had plenty of sex and it could have happened anytime. But that conception wasn't presented in the show. My point is it felt even more convenient to happen right when important stuff is happening. It felt even more contrived in the writing because there was no build-up at all for her being pregnant.
Make no mistake though, I enjoyed the show and can't wait for season 2.
Its a cool short tho right? 🙁 Nobody liked it 😥
“At the end of the show when we find him in that cell, he’s preparing to be beheaded and he wants to be,” Harington explained. “He’s done. The fact he goes to the Wall is the greatest gift and also the greatest curse... He’s got to go back up to the place with all this history and live out his life thinking about how he killed Dany, and live out his life thinking about Ygritte dying in his arms, and live out his life thinking about how he hung Olly, and live out his life thinking about all of this trauma, and that, that’s interesting.”
and that, that’s interesting.”
Kit Harington Says Jon Snow Is Having a Really Bad Time, Actually (https://gizmodo.com/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-spinoff-kit-harrington-1849881773)Quote“At the end of the show when we find him in that cell, he’s preparing to be beheaded and he wants to be,” Harington explained. “He’s done. The fact he goes to the Wall is the greatest gift and also the greatest curse... He’s got to go back up to the place with all this history and live out his life thinking about how he killed Dany, and live out his life thinking about Ygritte dying in his arms, and live out his life thinking about how he hung Olly, and live out his life thinking about all of this trauma, and that, that’s interesting.”Quoteand that, that’s interesting.”
...is it? :thinking
Would really love for the GOT and Naomi Watt's Long Night pilots to be released one day.
“He’s told me things that have, not a direct connection [to House of the Dragon], but when he’s explaining mythologies and things like that, he’ll just casually mention things,” Condal said. “It’s so cool but it’s like, ‘Ah! I just want to read the book.’ So I’m very much looking forward to that as a fan, and I’m a fan of his too. I’m really rooting for him and I want him to get, as he calls it, the monkey off his back.”
“It’s cool because I still get to be a fan… I’m as excited for the Winds of Winter as everybody in that room,” Condal told convention goers. “I know some things because George just mentions things at times.”