i kinda like nu metallica's take on "whiskey in the jar"

[Van Cruncheon]

nice, dense metal guitars + irish folk music? i guess it can work!

[Mandark]

I really liked this when it happened, but everyone had already filed them under Sellout a few years before, and this was around the time they went after Napster, so I knew what was good for me and kept my mouth shut.

[Van Cruncheon]

yeah, same. i picked up garage inc and didn't want terrene or tvc to take a dump on me. hey, i never bought st. anger!

[TVC15]

I like that song.  I like No Leaf Clover, too.  I really have no problem admitting what I do and don't like by Metallica.  Most of their recorded material post-Black sucks nuts, but there's some good stuff in there.

for how much fun of it terrene and I make, Some Kind of Monster is a really good movie for "coming to terms" with Metallica's library.  You see the highs and the lows and the band as they are today.  It's painfully clear where things went "wrong," and it's kind of a bummer things have ended up the way they are, musically, but slowing down was the only way these people would have survived their uber rock star days.  Neil Young tells us it is better to burn out than to rust, and that sounds very noble in a very Cobainian way, but James Hetfield prioritized his family, and the other band members found their way out of equally hectic rock star quandaries.  These people were basically the kings of music, and they traded up for what most of us would consider pretty mundane things.

[Van Cruncheon]

i honestly need to see that movie. i was such a huge cigarillo for metallica (and queensryche, and faith no more, and alice in chains) in hs, it wasn't funny. seriously, it WASN'T FUNNY. if james hetfield had shown up at my doorstop and told me to throw out my 500+ collection of pirated amiga games, i woulda done it, no bones.

sadly, my music tastes have only gotten worse. :'(

[cloudwalking]

god i totally read "nutella" in the thread title

edit: the word "jar" didn't help

[TVC15]

It's a great doc.  I recently read an interview with. . .someone workhorselike, maybe even someone like Neil Young, and that movie got brought up, and he intimated that arrangements such as the one depicted in some kind of monster (with an in studio therapist and touchy mushy shit) are actually pretty common in major label music.  It's just funnier seeing someone as notorious as Metallica deal with it.  I bet like, seeing such a setup with Diamond Dave era Van Halen would be at least as equally as entertaining.  Big music is big business, and record labels are in the shakey position that movie studios used to be in--one big miss can ruin an entire year, or even put an entire label in danger--so it's really not that shocking that they go to such lengths to keep prize hogs performing, even when it seems silly. 

I didn't know all of that when seeing the movie, so of course it was hilarious seeing this therapist (he even has some sort of blown up, fakey mushy title) being introduced as being an expert in the field, that he had worked with MANY big acts and gotten them to work together, past their problems.  The shit Metallica went through, the mushy therapist band teamwork shit, that's a niche industry, a mini-industry within the big fucking insane stadium music industry.  They have their own niche self-help industry, just for working with bands!  How nucking futs is that!

[TVC15]

He likes Faith No More, but not the superior Mike Patton projects!

[Van Cruncheon]

fuck you, i love mr. bungle. i have "squeeze me macaroni" running through my head at least once a day.

[TVC15]

only because you are actually hungry for macaroni

Actually, I was jonesing for macaroni the other day.  make it so.

and listen to TOMAHAWK or FANTOMAS.  Come on, a super group of Mr. Bungle, The Melvins, SLAYER, and Sepultura!

[Mandark]

The shit Metallica went through, the mushy therapist band teamwork shit, that's a niche industry, a mini-industry within the big fucking insane stadium music industry.  They have their own niche self-help industry, just for working with bands!  How nucking futs is that!

There's a bunch of stuff like that.  I wonder how much of it actually is expertise dealing with a peculiar type of situation (and one that rich people have an interest in resolving), and how much is just people in that general field networking their way into a good job.

[TVC15]

The shit Metallica went through, the mushy therapist band teamwork shit, that's a niche industry, a mini-industry within the big fucking insane stadium music industry.  They have their own niche self-help industry, just for working with bands!  How nucking futs is that!

There's a bunch of stuff like that.  I wonder how much of it actually is expertise dealing with a peculiar type of situation (and one that rich people have an interest in resolving), and how much is just people in that general field networking their way into a good job.

It seemed like the dude in Some Kind of Monster was specifically for bands (although he was an old square fogey), although I think it was mentioned that his field also covered sports teams and the like, too.  So maybe the specific field isn't just bands, but there are at least folks in the field that specialize in helping big bands stay productive.

I don't know if you've seen the movie, but one of the more interesting conflicts is that later on, once Metallica is trucking along at a decent clip (even though the album they made sucked ass, the band had managed to reach a forward-moving stage and they were kind of doing their thing), the therapist dude tries to embed himself as part of the band, and Metallica has trouble getting rid of the dude.  For a bit, it seriously seems like the rock star therapist is trying to actually become a rock star.  He envisions himself going on tour with them, and when they TRY TO FIRE HIM he repeatedly tells them how much of a mistake it is.  I know it's a documentary, and it could be edited 6 ways from Sunday to say what it seems to be saying, but duder legitimately seems like he's trying to become a barnacle on the Metallica boat, a permanent fixture.  It's kind of disgusting, and it makes you wonder how much therapists try to help ANYONE in real life.  Remember, it's NEVER in their best interest to lose a client, so making you think that all your problems are kinda okay is BAD BUSINESS for them.  Sick shit.

[Mandark]

The rock star/sports connection is interesting.  Good chance they also include high-powered executives.

I think a lot of these high-level support industry people build up cred and stroke their clients egos by coming up with a pseudo-scientific explanation for how all rich, successful people have something in common.  It gives the expert something to specialize in, and it tells the client that they really are special, rather than lucky (plus, you're just like Michael Jordan!  OMG!).

I'm sure there are some issues that are common across musical acts, and that some experience counseling them helps, but I have to think the people who would be most attracted to that job would be celebrity-whores.

[TVC15]

The last confrontation/firing scene with the therapist really did remind me of the stories about Brian Wilson getting brainwashed and drugged by his psychiatrist.  This therapist, in some part of his head he saw himself as a part of the future of this band.

Also, the whole time he is around, aside from the beginning of his tenure, when there is some worry from all around over Hetfield's condition (he checked himself into some sort of rehab/retreat for a full year, pretty much spontaneously, kicking off this whole ordeal), Lars Ulrich always thinks the therapist is totally full of shit, and is never afraid to tell him so.  As an Internet Man, lars Ulrich isn't one of my favorite people, but in regards to the therapists pretty clear bullshit, he's like a level-headed proxy for the viewer.  Kirk Hammet, who is pretty much the only other real member of Metallica, is a quiet dude that is along for the ride.  Between the battlin' egos of Het and Lars, Kirk knows it's usually best to be quiet.  Hetfield, who has just come out of rehab is naturally kinda pre-brainwashed and totally buys into the therapist's BS, most of the time.

[Phoenix Dark]

BREAD FAN 

Even after the Black Album they had some great songs, but overall their albums were very uneven (and sucky); I like stuff like King Nothing for instance. When I was younger I was a huge Metallica fan and I definitely credit them for introducing me to older stuff like Iron Maiden, Sabbath, Megadeth, Pantera, Anthrax, etc. They were definitely my gateway drug in terms of metal

It's sad seeing the flounder around now. I love the Black Album and like that bit of "hard rock" history, but since then it's been pretty much meh. St. Anger was a huge disappointment although I must admit it had a couple cool songs

[bud]

i liked the documentary, it was pretty interesting. i've never been a big fan, but this was some really personal stuff.

i remember a couple of scenes: one with ulrich claiming that guitar solo's are so lame and shouldn't be done anymore--that one made me cringe. there was also another scene where they either rehearsing or trying to come up with new stuff in the studio, but ulrich couldn't come up with a decent drumbeat and hetfield ended up getting really mad at him.

[TVC15]

i liked the documentary, it was pretty interesting. i've never been a big fan, but this was some really personal stuff.

i remember a couple of scenes: one with ulrich claiming that guitar solo's are so lame and shouldn't be done anymore--that one made me cringe.

Yeah, that was the only scene in the movie Kirk Hammet really gets pissed off in.  He seems to be pretty smart in that he knows it is futile to get between Lars and James, but when they shitcan his solos (just about the only thing Lars and James can agree on, too, haw!), he lets them know about it.  And the no guitar solos thing was cited in like every single review of that terrible fucking album.  Really, how dumb are Lars and James?  Who the fuck wants to hear METALLICA with no guitar solos?  That's like getting a hooker without a blowjob.

there was also another scene where they either rehearsing or trying to come up with new stuff in the studio, but ulrich couldn't come up with a decent drumbeat and hetfield ended up getting really mad at him.

Yeah, there's a particularly heated version of this scene (it happens at least twice in the movie) early on, when they are recording raw, in that broken down house, before James breaks down and goes into rehab.  One of the saddest things about the whole documentary is that the shit they were recording in there was so musically raw and rough, the exact opposite of how St Anger would be when it came out, years and years later, over produced and pro toolsed to hell.  The only real off part in the rough house were Hetfield's lyrics, which were terrible. 

[Phoenix Dark]

lol I remember lurking at Metallica's official message board during the St. Anger sessions. When they announced there would be no solos the fans went into damage control faster than Ntards (which is quite impressive).

St. Anger seemed more like musical therapy than an album, a baptism by amp and oil rig. I hope Rubin can get something good out of them, but I won't be holding my breath this time. I was late to school the day the first single from St. Anger came out, glued to the radio waiting for it. Half way through the song I thought they were just looping a 2 minute segment over and over again. Horrible

[bud]

pd, check out the entire thing. it's really good insight of what goes on with a troubled band etc.

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[Phoenix Dark]

Kirk hit the nail on the head with regard to following trends. That came out a few years ago, and to this day you still don't hear solos on mainstream rock radio. Lots of people can write good riffs, but I don't see many people writing good guitar music overall; it's like "ok play 3 chords over and over until the bridge."

[Ichirou]

I used to love Metallica back in the day.  I still think Garage Inc. is a great compilation of material.  Their Misfits covers in that album are awesome.

[Candyflip]

That song is awful. Not just Metallica's version (which is in a shit-tastic league of it's own for Hetfield's laughable delivery of the lyrics), but in general.

MUSHA RING DUMMA DO DUMMA DA
 

for how much fun of it terrene and I make, Some Kind of Monster is a really good movie for "coming to terms" with Metallica's library.  You see the highs and the lows and the band as they are today.  It's painfully clear where things went "wrong," and it's kind of a bummer things have ended up the way they are, musically, but slowing down was the only way these people would have survived their uber rock star days.  Neil Young tells us it is better to burn out than to rust, and that sounds very noble in a very Cobainian way, but James Hetfield prioritized his family, and the other band members found their way out of equally hectic rock star quandaries.  These people were basically the kings of music, and they traded up for what most of us would consider pretty mundane things.

Some Kind of Monster made me want to curbstomp Lars. Repeatedly.

[Van Cruncheon]

that's gaelic, comrade. it's an old irish folk song. also, since when did anyone give a fuck about lyrics, especially in metallica songs?

[Phoenix Dark]

CHOP YOUR BREAKFAST ON A MIRROR

[TVC15]

Some Kind of Monster made me want to curbstomp Lars. Repeatedly.

I think I came out hating James and Lars about equally.  Even though I knew James had quit drinking and sht, I didn't expect him to become quite as lame and stuffy as he is in the movie.  It doesn't help that he looks like some sort of 1950s dad stereotype when he has his nice short hair and dad glasses.  I mean, yes, Lars is an asshole, but I can understand how anyone could justify sheer assholehood in the environment depicted in that movie.