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It's billed as being based on a true story, but real life cops close to American Gangster drug lord Frank Lucas say the movie is more of a fairy tale than true life.

"They claim it's based on a true story," New York-based Drug Enforcement Administration agent Joseph Sullivan told the New York Post. The officer was at a raid on Lucas' Teaneck, N.J., home after two members of the Mafia ratted the drug lord out. "His name is Frank Lucas and he was a drug dealer - that's where the truth in this movie ends."

Lucas, whose character is played by Denzel Washington, admitted to sources that "only 20 percent of the film is true."

Hollywood's version of true stories are expected to have some elements of creative license, but one cop close to the action said it's the studio's depiction of Lucas as being a family man of moral character, that he takes the biggest issue with.

"The parts in the movie that depict Frank as a family man are ludicrous," the real-life Richie Roberts told The Post. Roberts' character is played by Russel Crowe in the film. "They did it for dramatic purposes, you know, to make him look good and me look bad."

According to Roberts, who prosecuted a New Jersey case against Lucas, the dealer wasn't the modest dresser and straight-dealing business man that the movie shows viewers. Roberts called the scene showing Lucas holding hands with his family in a Thanksgiving prayer "sickening."


Sources said Lucas manipulated his family members, moving them from North Carolina to work for him and even putting a hit out on his own brother.

Cops and prosecutors who worked the case said the flick distorts Lucas' role in Harlem's drug scene, and is riddled with untruths, like the involvement of rogue cops and the shipping of heroin in Vietnam caskets.

Lucas was sentenced to 40 years in a 1975 federal case, but only served seven. He claims to have made hundreds of millions of dollars off the drug game and stands to make more money off his story.

American Gangster, crushed the competition at the box office this weekend, bringing in $46.3 million - the highest ever for a modern crime movie. - and further lining Lucas' pockets.

Because he was convicted before the "Son of Sam Law" was enacted, Lucas can make money from his stories of drug exploits.

With a feature film under his belt, the former drug lord plans to merchandise his story with a video game a clothing line and he's in talks for a sequel to the film.
http://sohh.com/articles/article.php/12929

I know I know, you're absolutely SHOCKED a film would spice up and ignore historical facts. It's interesting here because there has been a bit of talk about whether this film "glorifies" these shady characters. In a recent interview Ridley Scott described Frank Lucas, the drug lord the film is based on, as a sociopath. Yet some of the negative reviews seem to argue the film attempts to turn him into a good guy, and as the article says law enforcement members are saying the same thing.

I'm not pulling any type of race card, but I always find it interesting that critics hail films like Goodfellas and Godfather while alleging that films like New Jack City or even Juice "glorify" street violence. It's as if people are more accepting of one form of crime than another. Personally, I don't see any of those films as "glorifying" a certain lifestyle. My mom once told me that drug dealers are the absolute nicest people you will ever meet, and I found out for myself when I met a couple of my cousins. But the fun and good times don't last. Eventually that lifestyle will claim you, one way or another. Goodfellas, Godfather, and the other films all depict these highs and lows.

At the end of the day that lifestyle is nothing to envy, which is why I've always wondered why people think Scarface is an "inspirational" movie; yeah it's a story of someone going from nothing to something...but at the end he's in a pool of blood with lead in his back. There's nothing "cool" about destroying your community through selling drugs either. My parents saw American Gangster a couple days ago, and while they both loved it, my mom had a very strong emotional reaction to it; she was alive during that time, and lost 15 cousins to drugs during the 70's and early 80s.
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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2007, 09:20:46 PM »
Who, the author of this article? Of course not
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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2007, 09:32:48 PM »
The film does attempt to portray him as a good guy, which, even within only the context of the film, I found seriously disingenuous and a bit sickening, primarily due to how it plays this against scenes of strung-out wretches shooting up and babies carried away from their dead mothers and so on as if the man is not attached to any sort of involvement in this.  Films like The Godfather and Goodfellas aren't trying to assign a moral light to their characters where none exists; it's accepted that these people are criminals and any foul that comes to them is deserved.
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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2007, 10:28:41 AM »
I hate when an author doesn't cite sources. Then again, it's SOHH...

Anyway, they definitely glorified the Lucas character. I guess Roberts and Lucas weren't quite as chummy in real life as the film depicted. Also, the film said Lucas served 15 years, not 7.

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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2007, 02:07:27 PM »
Waitaminute, American Gangster is about Frank Lucas? And it DOESN'T make him look like a ruthless scoundrel?
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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2007, 02:21:37 PM »
this is the dumbest thing i've ever read.  the movie isn't made to glorify or make someone a christ-like figure or a saint...

IT'S FUCKING ENTERTAINMENT.  that's all.  quit being so anal.  anyone who is stupid enough to be in awe of washington's character is either a.) too young to be watching the movie or b.) too dumb to live and deserves whatever they get.

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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2007, 03:07:28 PM »
Waitaminute, American Gangster is about Frank Lucas? And it DOESN'T make him look like a ruthless scoundrel?
The movie presents him as a calculating individual with great business sense who is bound by family. He's cold when he needs to be, but a gentleman otherwise.

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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2007, 05:24:17 PM »
this is the dumbest thing i've ever read.  the movie isn't made to glorify or make someone a christ-like figure or a saint...

IT'S FUCKING ENTERTAINMENT.  that's all.  quit being so anal.  anyone who is stupid enough to be in awe of washington's character is either a.) too young to be watching the movie or b.) too dumb to live and deserves whatever they get.

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I pretty much pointed out the highlight of that and the truth.
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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2007, 06:37:47 PM »
Yes lets none of us analyze our entertainment now.

well that explains transformers
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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2007, 07:10:12 PM »
so richie roberts thinks frank lucas is fucking asshole? in the movie, it said richie roberts became a defense attorney and his first client was frank lucas.

there's creative license and there's straight out lies

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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2007, 07:23:37 PM »
American Gangster!  The film that combines the "stodgy lawman dogs vivacious criminal" dynamic of Catch Me If You Can with the "he was a hard, violent man, but also cared deeply about shit" frisson of a VH1 documentary on Tupac!

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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2007, 12:06:19 AM »
well, i agree that it's entertainment and all that but when something is based on real life people, isn't there some sort of wish to be at least close to the truth?

I had to explain U-571 wasn't what happened after some mouthy american was going on about how the US won the war by finding and cracking the Enigma machine.... anecdotal, but amusing ...

I think Yazhee put it best : "It's apparent that the only people who care about historical accuracy are British people and fegs, so moving straight on..."


Yeah. If it is strictly entertainment then they should market it as such. Obviously we all know Hollywood has pretty much stretched any historical event when turning it in to a movie, but come on. Don't mention it being "based off of", "inspired by", or "from the true story" if 80% of it is going to be falsified.

Now I have to encounter a bunch of gullible people who are convinced that this movie is a hard copy of this guy's life, and the poor mean gangster really did have a heart. I hate people.
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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2007, 04:45:35 AM »
this is a pretty stupid movie to bitch about.  If I heard the commercials say it was based on a true story, I would expect that goes as far as there being a black drug dealer.

critics are idiots when it comes to crime movies though.  they praised trash like godfather and then they bashed fucking Menace II Society for somehow making street violence look cool.  while a lot of fake rappers not worth two shits praised the latter movie, it was obvious by watching it that it was a realistic depiction of poverty and crime and didn't try to make anybody look better than they were.

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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2007, 04:50:51 AM »
Are they going to run out of black historical figures that Denzel Washington can play soon?
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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2007, 08:29:37 AM »
Are they going to run out of black historical figures that Denzel Washington can play soon?

Probably, then Terrence Howard will remake all of them
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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2007, 03:43:57 PM »
Yes lets none of us analyze our entertainment now.
what analyzation?  We're not even discussing the quality of the film, we're discussing Hollywood stretching the truth like they have been doing for years and years.

The fucking Texas Chainsaw Massacre says "Based on a true story." as well.  This is common knowledge.  It's simply a stupid reason to criticize the movie for.

If you want to tell me that the cinematography/action/acting/production values are not up to par, then let's discuss that.  But this is nitpicking like a motherfucker.

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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2007, 09:46:01 PM »
it's not really nitpicking.  the movie is based on a criminal who supposedly was a bit of a family man and wasn't your stereotypical italian godfather, people might think he actually existed.  it might have a che guerrera effect where he looks good on a t-shirt but he was bad in real life.  bad example but you get what I mean.

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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2007, 09:50:30 PM »
The thing that makes this 100% reprehensible is that he is making money off the movie apparently.

I have no problem with creative license, but I do have problems with criminals getting rich from their exploits.  Gaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2007, 09:50:40 PM »
it's not really nitpicking.  the movie is based on a criminal who supposedly was a bit of a family man and wasn't your stereotypical italian godfather, people might think he actually existed.  it might have a che guerrera effect where he looks good on a t-shirt but he was bad in real life.  bad example but you get what I mean.
I think the only reason I have a problem with this is because of the above effect. Maybe I should just hate people for being idiots.
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Re: American Gangster takes the boxoffice, riddled with "ludicrous" lies?
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2007, 09:56:11 PM »
it's not really nitpicking.  the movie is based on a criminal who supposedly was a bit of a family man and wasn't your stereotypical italian godfather, people might think he actually existed.  it might have a che guerrera effect where he looks good on a t-shirt but he was bad in real life.  bad example but you get what I mean.
I think the only reason I have a problem with this is because of the above effect. Maybe I should just hate people for being idiots.
yeah I'm sure there's people that think the godfather was realistic.  If the producers really wanted, they wouldn't have to say it has ANYTHING to do with a real life criminal (since it doesn't) and just change the names.  they wanted to make more money though.