Mike Huckabee Is Now The Front Runner In Iowa

[FlameOfCallandor]

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FLASHBACK: Mike Huckabee’s Phone Call From God.

It was fitting that Huckabee be asked what Jesus thinks because, in the past, the former Baptist minister has asserted an ability to talk directly to God.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Foc: I wasn't old enough to vote in 2004; I voted for the first time in 2006. If I was able to, I would have voted for Kerry no questions asked

What was the big draw of Kerry?

[Ichirou]

http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/422110

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/422110

Sounds fishy, but interesting. From my understanding there has never been a big poll that shows her losing to Guliani or anyone else; in fact Rudy actually brags about polls that show he's the "closest" to beating her in a general lol.

hmmm. Not that I disagree...I don't see Hillary beating Romney, Rudy, or even Huckabee.

[Ichirou]

I wish I could find a better source and more info on the Rasmussen and Zogby polls it talks about, but it's an Associated Foreign Press article....not exactly Worldnet Daily or something like that.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Sounds fishy, but interesting. From my understanding there has never been a big poll that shows her losing to Guliani or anyone else; in fact Rudy actually brags about polls that show he's the "closest" to beating her in a general lol.

hmmm. Not that I disagree...I don't see Hillary beating Romney, Rudy, or even Huckabee.

Or Ron Paul.

[Ichirou]

FoC, why do you call yourself a Democrat (as you have on EB before)?  You seem to be extremely conservative in a lot of respects.

[Gay Boy]

Zogby uses online polling, most in the media don't source them much. Someone mentioned a Zogby Poll on Hardball once and Chris Matthews chewed them saying they aren't reliable. Gallup released a set of polls AFTER Zogby having Hillary beat everyone like all previous polls.

http://pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

[FlameOfCallandor]

FoC, why do you call yourself a Democrat (as you have on EB before)?  You seem to be extremely conservative in a lot of respects.

I used to be a democrat. I voted of Kerry in the last election and I always thought of myself as a democrat. Then this year I hard about Ron Paul. The more and more I learned about economics and government the more and more I really liked the conservative viewpoint. In fact now I would call my self a strict conservative. It's kind of weird and scary really. If you would have told my past self this he would have laughed at you.

My biggest concern with the bush administration was the growing size of government. I would see articles about warrant-less wiretapping, habeas corpus, torture and I was appalled. I couldn't believe america was turning into 1984. Then when I started to read bout Ron Paul I understood that it wasn't the democrats that would reduce the size of government and free us from Taxes (a.k.a government force) it was the strict conservative viewpoint. I never understood that 1984 is about a socialist society. lol

Im not christian and I'm not a "fundie" so that hasn't changed. I just think that 90% of shit that the federal government spends money is wasteful and all the spending will end up destroying america. Just look at the value of the dollar. Our economy is going to get alot worse before it gets any better. We need someone with a sound monetary policy as well as a modest foreign policy. We need someone that can tell lobbyist to fuck off, especially the Israel lobby.

In the end I think that most American's would agree with the basic message of ROn Paul's if he gets a chance to share it with him.

[Phoenix Dark]

Zogby uses online polling, most in the media don't source them much. Someone mentioned a Zogby Poll on Hardball once and Chris Matthews chewed them saying they aren't reliable. Gallup released a set of polls AFTER Zogby having Hillary beat everyone like all previous polls.

I had heard Zogby wasn't reliable, but I didn't know they actually used online polls lol.

[Van Cruncheon]

no, foc, most voting americans are adults, not simple-minded and naive children

[Gay Boy]

Most americans also want universal health care that kinda goes against Ron Paul.

Americans don't have a problem with govt. spending, as long as they spend it on what they want.

[Ichirou]

Zogby founded the polling firm Zogby International in 1984. Since then, he has conducted polls around the world, though he has gained the most notoriety for his polls of United States Presidential elections.

He first gained attention in the 1996 Presidential election when his final poll came within a tenth of a point of the actual result. Zogby also correctly predicted the cliffhanger result of the 2000 presidential election won narrowly by George W. Bush, in contrast to most other pollsters who had expected Bush to win easily.

In 2004, however, his predictions failed to materialize. Before polls had even closed in the 2004 presidential election, Zogby predicted a comfortable win for John Kerry (311 electoral votes, versus 213 for Bush, with 14 too close to call), saying that "Bush had this election lost a long time ago," adding that voters wanted a change and would vote for "any candidate who was not Bush." While admitting that he was mistaken, Zogby did not admit any possible flaws in his poll methods, insisting that his predictions were all "within the margin of error." While on The Daily Show With Jon Stewart, he said he felt that Kerry would win due to the undecided voters. Despite his personal prediction, Zogby's final poll showed Bush with a one point lead over Kerry, making him one of the 'winners' among pollsters according to the New York Post and Boston Globe.[1] Zogby later released a "mea culpa" in which he stated "I will do better next time: I will just poll, not predict." [2]

In 2006, Zogby phone polling correctly called all 10 competitive United States Senate races and nailed the exact margin in the three closest races. His interactive online polling correctly called the winner of 17 of 18 races, but was far off in the margin of victory of some races. [3]

Zogby has also had success with elections in countries outside the United States. He correctly called the 2001 Israeli election for Ariel Sharon, the 2000 Mexican election for Vicente Fox and again in Mexico with the victory of Felipe Calderón in 2006. Also, Zogby has made a sideline of polling Arab attitudes toward the United States, particularly in regard to Lebanon.

Doesn't sound all that unreliable to me, though the Hillary Vs. Repubs poll IS an online poll, according to the article.

[Flannel Boy]

no, foc, most voting americans are adults, not simple-minded and naive children

The American electorate sure fooled me.

Twice.

[FlameOfCallandor]

no, foc, most voting americans are adults, not simple-minded and naive children

right... Whats your point?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Most americans also want universal health care that kinda goes against Ron Paul.

Americans don't have a problem with govt. spending, as long as they spend it on what they want.

You dont need government to tell you how to spend your money   

Unless your socialist.

[Van Cruncheon]

why would they vote for ron paul, a man with a simple and naive view of political reality?

reality-based community ftw

[FlameOfCallandor]

why would they vote for ron paul, a man with a simple and naive view of political reality?

reality-based community ftw

How is is view simple and naive?

[Ichirou]

FoC, why do you keep posting Ron Paul stuff here when, like, 99% of the forum either dislikes you or thinks Ron Paul sucks?

[Phoenix Dark]

Most americans also want universal health care that kinda goes against Ron Paul.

Americans don't have a problem with govt. spending, as long as they spend it on what they want.

The "most Americans..." defense doesn't give credibility to any argument imo. I'm sure they want universal healthcare...but they sure as fuck don't want to pay for it. If Hillary wins she's going to further bankrupt this country

[FlameOfCallandor]

FYI guys, I was responding to ichirou's question. I dont really want to turn his into  ron paul thread.

[FlameOfCallandor]

FoC, why do you keep posting Ron Paul stuff here when, like, 99% of the forum either dislikes you or thinks Ron Paul sucks?

You asked me a question i was responding.

[Gay Boy]

Most americans also want universal health care that kinda goes against Ron Paul.

Americans don't have a problem with govt. spending, as long as they spend it on what they want.

You dont need government to tell you how to spend your money   

Unless your socialist.

I am not telling you what to think, I am telling you how the majority of America feels and why they don't agree with Ron Paul. America is not a nation that is fiscally conservative, not by a long shot. Socially conservative? Sure, to an extent. Fiscally? Not really.

PD:  I am using as a point to show FoC's claim that America will "agree" with Ron Paul is inherently false.

[Ichirou]

FoC, why do you keep posting Ron Paul stuff here when, like, 99% of the forum either dislikes you or thinks Ron Paul sucks?

You asked me a question i was responding.

This is unrelated to that.  You keep posting here even though you've been lepered for like a year, and whenever you talk about Ron Paul, you are mercilessly teased.  I mean, you've got Homosexual Boy practically fellating himself in anticipation of your being permabanned.

Why post somewhere where you get kicked around so much?

[FlameOfCallandor]

I am not telling you what to think, I am telling you how the majority of America feels and why they don't agree with Ron Paul. America is not a nation that is fiscally conservative, not by a long shot. Socially conservative? Sure, to an extent. Fiscally? Not really.

PD:  I am using as a point to show FoC's claim that America will "agree" with Ron Paul is inherently false.

I bet all americans would love free money hot off the Fed's printing press. Should we give that to them also?

[FlameOfCallandor]

This is unrelated to that.  You keep posting here even though you've been lepered for like a year, and whenever you talk about Ron Paul, you are mercilessly teased.  I mean, you've got Homosexual Boy practically fellating himself in anticipation of your being permabanned.

Why post somewhere where you get kicked around so much?

Im not getting banned. I dont really know why I post here. I've asked to be banned before. It never happens.

[Van Cruncheon]

You dont need government to tell you how to spend your money  

Unless your socialist.

money doesn't have value in a vacuum. nor does gold, especially in this day and age. your money is fundamentally worthless without a government backing it.

YOU are thinking in the fashion of a socialist, for what it's worth, even if your tenets are different. "oh, if everyone could just see the ron paul light and live in harmony..." libertarian and socialist mooncalves are simply different sides of the same simple-minded fantasy coin.

[FlameOfCallandor]

money doesn't have value in a vacuum. nor does gold, especially in this day and age. your money is fundamentally worthless without a government backing it.

Awesome! You are actually agreeing with Ron Paul. Are money is worthless.

YOU are thinking in the fashion of a socialist, for what it's worth, even if your tenets difference. "oh, if everyone could just see the ron paul light and live in harmony..." libertarian and socialist mooncalves are simply different sides of the same simple-minded fantasy coin.

whatever you say...

[Van Cruncheon]

no, i am not agreeing with ron paul, you simpleton, because i believe that currency is built on strong international banking relations and debt, not fucking gold. and i don't believe our money is worthless, because WE AREN'T IN A VACUUM. it's simple black-and-white dogma like paul's monetary platform that is so insulting. the world is as complex -- and possibly moreso -- as paul's manchild supporters fear. it's called FIAT CURRENCY, and ron would love to pretend it doesn't exist -- but that's the way it works.

[Ichirou]

FoC is the same age as PD and Gay Boy, right?  Why do his posts always sound like they were written by someone five years younger?

Perhaps he's still a child at heart.

[Flannel Boy]

Unless your socialist.

Are money is worthless.

You're kidding me?

[FlameOfCallandor]

FoC is the same age as PD and Gay Boy, right?  Why do his posts always sound like they were written by someone five years younger?

Perhaps he's still a child at heart.

Pretty much. That and I usually than faster than I can think. Being lepered doesn't help since I cant edit my posts.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Unless your socialist.

Are money is worthless.

You're kidding me?

What? aRe you just now realizing my poor spelling and grammar?   

[Ichirou]

FoC is the same age as PD and Gay Boy, right?  Why do his posts always sound like they were written by someone five years younger?

Perhaps he's still a child at heart.

Pretty much. That and I usually than faster than I can think. Being lepered doesn't help since I cant edit my posts.

You just come off as way too naive, dude.  You need to come face to face with some harsh realities of life...there are reasons why Ron Paul's view of the world will never, ever come to pass.

[FlameOfCallandor]

no, i am not agreeing with ron paul, you simpleton, because i believe that currency is built on strong international banking relations and debt, not fucking gold. and i don't believe our money is worthless, because WE AREN'T IN A VACUUM. it's simple black-and-white dogma like paul's monetary platform that is so insulting. the world is as complex -- and possibly moreso -- as paul's manchild supporters fear. it's called FIAT CURRENCY, and ron would love to pretend it doesn't exist -- but that's the way it works.

What does the world being complex have to with a currency that has real value. If the government had to back every dollar with gold then the fed couldn't print off however much they needed which would mean that the government would actually have to *gasp* be fiscally responsible.

[FlameOfCallandor]

FoC is the same age as PD and Gay Boy, right?  Why do his posts always sound like they were written by someone five years younger?

Perhaps he's still a child at heart.

Pretty much. That and I usually than faster than I can think. Being lepered doesn't help since I cant edit my posts.

You just come off as way too naive, dude.  You need to come face to face with some harsh realities of life...there are reasons why Ron Paul's view of the world will never, ever come to pass.

Such as?

[Phoenix Dark]

FoC is the same age as PD and Gay Boy, right?  Why do his posts always sound like they were written by someone five years younger?

Perhaps he's still a child at heart.

Cheebs is 21 and I'm 20. I'm pretty sure FoC is like 24. I'm not an intellectual, and honestly I'm not that smart when it comes to these issues; my forte is more along business lines, history, etc. But what I try to do is understand people's perspectives, understand where they're coming from, and fucking get an understanding of an issue.

If you don't know what you're talking about you're gonna end up sounding like a dumbass; I've been guilty of that countless times. But when you're being a dumbass on a regular basis...

[Van Cruncheon]

What does the world being complex have to with a currency that has real value. If the government had to back every dollar with gold then the fed couldn't print off however much they needed which would mean that the government would actually have to *gasp* be fiscally responsible.

then all you do is make GOLD the new fiat currency with paper money as a proxy. the fed can be irresponsible by deflating it, because gold no longer holds the same commodity value. society and the government it creates to support it dictate what is valuable and what isn't. moving to a new arbitrary standard changes nothing, as history as shown. under the current currency model we have to arbitrate internationally which i think is a GOOD thing in the long term.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Cheebs is 21 and I'm 20. I'm pretty sure FoC is like 24. I'm not an intellectual, and honestly I'm not that smart when it comes to these issues; my forte is more along business lines, history, etc. But what I try to do is understand people's perspectives, understand where they're coming from, and fucking get an understanding of an issue.

So have you spent any time trying to figure out where I am coming  from? Probably not.

[FlameOfCallandor]

What does the world being complex have to with a currency that has real value. If the government had to back every dollar with gold then the fed couldn't print off however much they needed which would mean that the government would actually have to *gasp* be fiscally responsible.

then all you do is make GOLD the new fiat currency with paper money as a proxy. society and the government it creates to support it dictate what is valuable and what isn't. moving to a new arbitrary standard changes nothing, as history as shown. under the current currency model we have to arbitrate internationally which i think is a GOOD thing in the long term.

Gold is limited and has been used as a commodity since the beginning of civilization. Paper has not. Paper grows on trees, gold does not. 

[APF]

The reality that Huckabee is more legitimately a Republican, and a more viable candidate than Paul by a long shot, fills me with both joy and revulsion.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Banks actually create money through debt, something that cannot happen if every dollar had to be backed by gold.  

[FlameOfCallandor]

The reality that Huckabee is more legitimately a Republican, and a more viable candidate than Paul by a long shot, fills me with both joy and revulsion.

What? none of the candidates even resemble Reagan.

[Van Cruncheon]

we're not in the beginning of civilization, dipshit. we have many commodities that have far more intrinsic value than gold, including uranium in the simplest case and microprocessors and banking contracts in the more complicated cases. we aren't far from synthesizing gold. ultimately, though, it matters for nothing, BECAUSE MODERN SOCIETY AND GOVERNMENT DETERMINE THE INTRINSIC VALUE OF GOLD, JUST LIKE PAPER. the government merely has to devalue gold to destroy your purchasing power. all currency is fundamentally fiat. get used to it. reality is mean.

[Gay Boy]

The reality that Huckabee is more legitimately a Republican, and a more viable candidate than Paul by a long shot, fills me with both joy and revulsion.

What? none of the candidates even resemble Reagan.

Reagan invented the republican party?

[Van Cruncheon]

to speed up your response, foc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_currency

[Van Cruncheon]

The reality that Huckabee is more legitimately a Republican, and a more viable candidate than Paul by a long shot, fills me with both joy and revulsion.

What? none of the candidates even resemble Reagan.

Reagan invented the republican party?

 i think foc has been reading too much bob novak. also, barry goldwater and his teabagging of the moral conservative set am cry

[FlameOfCallandor]

we're not in the beginning of civilization, dipshit. we have many commodities that have far more intrinsic value than gold, including uranium in the simplest case and microprocessors and banking contracts in the more complicated cases.

we aren't far from synthesizing gold. ultimately, though, it matters for nothing, BECAUSE MODERN SOCIETY AND GOVERNMENT DETERMINE THE INTRINSIC VALUE OF GOLD, JUST LIKE PAPER. the government merely has to devalue gold to destroy your purchasing power. all currency is fundamentally fiat. get used to it. reality is mean.
[/quote]

The difference between the fold standard and the current fiat standard is night and day. You are basically saying that the money is backed by the government itself. This is nonsense; under a fiat currency nothing backs up paper money. The green pieces of paper in your wallet represents no obligation by the government. The government doesn't care about the purchasing power of money, except in the sense that it controls how many dollar bills there are, and our willingness to hold money is fairly stable. If everyone in the world decided not to carry greenbacks anymore prices would ride and the government would have no way of controlling it. Even in a monopolized market, the force of supply and demand ultimately set the prices.

You can read about the current system and why it will not work forever.

http://www.mises.org/efandi/ch17.asp

[FlameOfCallandor]

The reality that Huckabee is more legitimately a Republican, and a more viable candidate than Paul by a long shot, fills me with both joy and revulsion.

What? none of the candidates even resemble Reagan.

Reagan invented the republican party?

 i think foc has been reading too much bob novak. also, barry goldwater and his teabagging of the moral conservative set am cry

Never read any of them. You lose.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Reagan invented the republican party?

If you watch current politics you would know that the republican candidates are trying so hard to be like him, thus idolizing him as the best republican in recent times.

[Van Cruncheon]

fiat currency adjusts, and part of that IS arbitrarily increasing a decreasing the amount of money in circulation. even your precious alan greenspan finally realized that. nothing has any intrinsic value save what the common contract of society grants it; fiat currency eliminates the middleman. dollars are worth nothing inasmuch as gold is worth nothing inasmuch as anything else is worth nothing. the dollar represents a unit of generalized commodity value as tacitly agreed upon as part of the broader social contract. deal. and quit reading lewrockwell.com.

[Van Cruncheon]

The reality that Huckabee is more legitimately a Republican, and a more viable candidate than Paul by a long shot, fills me with both joy and revulsion.

What? none of the candidates even resemble Reagan.

Reagan invented the republican party?

 i think foc has been reading too much bob novak. also, barry goldwater and his teabagging of the moral conservative set am cry

Never read any of them. You lose.

no, YOU lose because bob novak is the loudest paul apologist on the pundit circuit, and barry goldwater CREATED the modern republican party.

[FlameOfCallandor]

The reality that Huckabee is more legitimately a Republican, and a more viable candidate than Paul by a long shot, fills me with both joy and revulsion.

What? none of the candidates even resemble Reagan.

Reagan invented the republican party?

 i think foc has been reading too much bob novak. also, barry goldwater and his teabagging of the moral conservative set am cry

Never read any of them. You lose.

no, YOU lose because bob novak is the loudest paul apologist on the pundit circuit, and barry goldwater CREATED the modern republican party.

:elf

[Van Cruncheon]

wait, why am i arguing politics with a guy who doesn't know anything about his party's political history?? fool me once, shame on me. fool me twice, shame on you. fool me thrice, FHUTA!

[FlameOfCallandor]

lewrockwell.com is awesome.

[FlameOfCallandor]

wait, why am i arguing politics with a guy who doesn't know anything about his party's political history?? fool me once, shame on me. fool me twice, shame on you. fool me thrice, FHUTA!

Because I didnt read goldwater's book, I dont know anything abut the party's history?   

[Van Cruncheon]

wait, why am i arguing politics with a guy who doesn't know anything about his party's political history?? fool me once, shame on me. fool me twice, shame on you. fool me thrice, FHUTA!

Because I didnt read goldwater's book, I dont know anything abut the party's history?  

th' fuck! do you even know who barry goldwater is?

[FlameOfCallandor]

I'm gonna start quoting whole lewrockwell blog posts as my reply.

[FlameOfCallandor]

wait, why am i arguing politics with a guy who doesn't know anything about his party's political history?? fool me once, shame on me. fool me twice, shame on you. fool me thrice, FHUTA!

Because I didnt read goldwater's book, I dont know anything abut the party's history?  

th' fuck! do you even know who barry goldwater is?

yes. do you?

[Van Cruncheon]

i certainly know he did a lot more than write a book, clown. don't be disingenuous.