talk me out of buying a Mac

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Vista has left me so soured on Windows that I'm actually contemplating switching to Leopard.

Tell me why this is a stupid idea and I should just go with XP SP3 instead!

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I just hate that Vista takes like 2 minutes to unzip a 300 KB RAR file. Every file handling operation seems to be repeated seven times.

[bluemax]

What do you normally do with your Windows machine? If you're using it for things like programming/software development and gaming then OS X isn't for you. If you're using it for browsing the internet, watching videos and listening to music you can probably survive in an OS X environment.

[enjoy bell woods]

Get one.

[Rman]

I've used Macs for a while and and it depends on your priorities.  If you are a big PC gamer I would say no.  For basic computing their pretty solid.

[Rman]

What type of mac are you looking into, Patel?  Their laptops or desktops?

[TVC15]

You want my old iBook?  It's a G4, but it's still pretty fast.  Runs Leopard fine.  If you are just looking for a web surfing, doc editing, music listening, movie watching general machine, it's good stuff.

One word of warning:  It has been my bathroom computer for the past year, so it has been sitting on my naked lap as I shit for a cumulative period of probably about a day.

[Smooth Groove]

You want my old iBook?  It's a G4, but it's still pretty fast.  Runs Leopard fine.  If you are just looking for a web surfing, doc editing, music listening, movie watching general machine, it's good stuff.

One word of warning:  It has been my bathroom computer for the past year, so it has been sitting on my naked lap as I shit for a cumulative period of probably about a day.

What's the AMD/Intel equivalent of a G4? 

[abrader]

No - you need to buy a mac - but wait till next year when they come with Blu-Ray disk burners built in.

[Mr. Gundam]

One word of warning:  It has been my bathroom computer for the past year, so it has been sitting on my naked lap as I shit for a cumulative period of probably about a day.

I think that would actually RAISE it's value!

[TVC15]

You want my old iBook?  It's a G4, but it's still pretty fast.  Runs Leopard fine.  If you are just looking for a web surfing, doc editing, music listening, movie watching general machine, it's good stuff.

One word of warning:  It has been my bathroom computer for the past year, so it has been sitting on my naked lap as I shit for a cumulative period of probably about a day.

What's the AMD/Intel equivalent of a G4? 

Um, G4 processors were like 2001-2005, so they go over the P3 and P4 years.  I'd say the P3 or Pentium M are acceptable comparison points.  Not too hot, pretty powerful despite having not so impressive on paper clock speeds.

[Smooth Groove]

No - you need to buy a mac - but wait till next year when they come with Blu-Ray disk burners built in.

Why would anyone need a Blu-ray burner?  If you need to backup data a lot, a portable HD makes much more sense.  Backing stuff up to BD means you can only use that data on another computer with a BD drive, which is unlikely in 2008. 

You want my old iBook?  It's a G4, but it's still pretty fast.  Runs Leopard fine.  If you are just looking for a web surfing, doc editing, music listening, movie watching general machine, it's good stuff.

One word of warning:  It has been my bathroom computer for the past year, so it has been sitting on my naked lap as I shit for a cumulative period of probably about a day.

What's the AMD/Intel equivalent of a G4? 

Um, G4 processors were like 2001-2005, so they go over the P3 and P4 years.  I'd say the P3 or Pentium M are acceptable comparison points.  Not too hot, pretty powerful despite having not so impressive on paper clock speeds.

Pentium M is the same as Centrino, right?  That was a very good labtop processor for its time. 

[TVC15]

No - you need to buy a mac - but wait till next year when they come with Blu-Ray disk burners built in.

Why would anyone need a Blu-ray burner?  If you need to backup data a lot, a portable HD makes much more sense.  Backing stuff up to BD means you can only use that data on another computer with a BD drive, which is unlikely in 2008. 

You want my old iBook?  It's a G4, but it's still pretty fast.  Runs Leopard fine.  If you are just looking for a web surfing, doc editing, music listening, movie watching general machine, it's good stuff.

One word of warning:  It has been my bathroom computer for the past year, so it has been sitting on my naked lap as I shit for a cumulative period of probably about a day.

What's the AMD/Intel equivalent of a G4? 

Um, G4 processors were like 2001-2005, so they go over the P3 and P4 years.  I'd say the P3 or Pentium M are acceptable comparison points.  Not too hot, pretty powerful despite having not so impressive on paper clock speeds.

Pentium M is the same as Centrino, right?  That was a very good labtop processor for its time. 

Yeah.  Pentium Ms are based off the P3 design.  Pentium 4 was kind of a bust, so Intel kinda ended up going back to the P3 design to build their next gen processors.  The Core Duo and Core 2 Duo lines are both based off Pentium M, and are thus successors to the P3, not the P4.

[Smooth Groove]

No - you need to buy a mac - but wait till next year when they come with Blu-Ray disk burners built in.

Why would anyone need a Blu-ray burner?  If you need to backup data a lot, a portable HD makes much more sense.  Backing stuff up to BD means you can only use that data on another computer with a BD drive, which is unlikely in 2008. 

You want my old iBook?  It's a G4, but it's still pretty fast.  Runs Leopard fine.  If you are just looking for a web surfing, doc editing, music listening, movie watching general machine, it's good stuff.

One word of warning:  It has been my bathroom computer for the past year, so it has been sitting on my naked lap as I shit for a cumulative period of probably about a day.

What's the AMD/Intel equivalent of a G4? 

Um, G4 processors were like 2001-2005, so they go over the P3 and P4 years.  I'd say the P3 or Pentium M are acceptable comparison points.  Not too hot, pretty powerful despite having not so impressive on paper clock speeds.

Pentium M is the same as Centrino, right?  That was a very good labtop processor for its time. 

Yeah.  Pentium Ms are based off the P3 design.  Pentium 4 was kind of a bust, so Intel kinda ended up going back to the P3 design to build their next gen processors.  The Core Duo and Core 2 Duo lines are both based off Pentium M, and are thus successors to the P3, not the P4.

I remember how some people start using Centrinos for their desktops because they were better gaming PCs than P4s. 

[TVC15]

I had a 2.8Ghz pentium 4 desktop, and no lie, I wouldn't have to turn heat on in the winter when I was using that thing.  It kept the area around the computer desk warm.

I now have a quad core 3.0Ghz machine in the same place, and the computer case is cool, lol.  It used to put off heat when I had the 1950, but it's generally always cool with the 8800 GTS in there.

[Smooth Groove]

I had a 2.8Ghz pentium 4 desktop, and no lie, I wouldn't have to turn heat on in the winter when I was using that thing.  It kept the area around the computer desk warm.

I now have a quad core 3.0Ghz machine in the same place, and the computer case is cool, lol.  It used to put off heat when I had the 1950, but it's generally always cool with the 8800 GTS in there.

What kind of case are you using?  You have two power supplies, right? 

[TVC15]

I had a 2.8Ghz pentium 4 desktop, and no lie, I wouldn't have to turn heat on in the winter when I was using that thing.  It kept the area around the computer desk warm.

I now have a quad core 3.0Ghz machine in the same place, and the computer case is cool, lol.  It used to put off heat when I had the 1950, but it's generally always cool with the 8800 GTS in there.

What kind of case are you using?  You have two power supplies, right? 

[Smooth Groove]

Nice.  Do they sell that apple case by itself anywhere? 


What do you think of this?



I'm going to get a case upgrade in the next year, something fancy in the $200 to $300 range.  Don't have the funds for it right now. 

[Rman]

Nice.  Do they sell that apple case by itself anywhere? 


What do you think of this?



I'm going to get a case upgrade in the next year, something fancy in the $200 to $300 range.  Don't have the funds for it right now. 

You might be able to find some knock offs.  This case is pretty stylish as well.

[Van Cruncheon]

you know how i know you're gay? you want to buy a mac!

edit: goddamit, i keep forgetting I OWN A MAC. who's up for some rough dumpster mansex?

[Human Snorenado]

you know how i know you're gay? you want to buy a mac!

edit: goddamit, i keep forgetting I OWN A MAC. who's up for some rough dumpster mansex?

You know how I know you work for MS?  You're a vista shill lol.

[TVC15]

(I ended up going down to 2 gigs of RAM and bumping up the GPU)

[Phoenix Dark]

why would anyone willingly buy apple products?

[bork]

I'm likely going back to Mac for my next computer.  I was always Apple before my current PC, an Alienware laptop, but I'm growing tired of the constant Windows crashing (recently I have been having a problem where the PC will crash and reset several times after turning it on, but I get the feeling this is somehow related to my external hard drive) and the computer overheating, and I don't really care about PC gaming.  Plus there's Boot Camp anyway.

I like those new iMacs.

[Rman]

why would anyone willingly buy apple products?

Please let us not turn this into that type thread now.

[bork]

SEXY

[drozmight]

5 grand? holy shit.

[brawndolicious]

why don't you just assemble the PC and buy leopard?  I heard that the same exact parts in a Mac are usually 1.5 times more expensive than the competition (most manufacturers do a 2 times markup and Apple does a 3 times markup).  you can just buy the screen, keyboard, and probably even case seperate if you like them.

I personally am not in love with iMacs cause they tend to crash more often (I'm of course talking about school computers connected to a server though).  I think you'd be better off with going to XP SP3 since you're used to it.  If you have a lot of Apple products and an iMac will somehow improve your living standard, maybe you should go to it.

[Kyle]

OVER 5 THOUSAND!!! 

[Tauntaun]

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(I ended up going down to 2 gigs of RAM and bumping up the GPU)

5 G's?    Or you could get all that and MOAR for under $1500 by building your own.

[MrAngryFace]

Lrn2Windows lol.

Seriously tho, dunno why people get all uppity over stupid crap. Course most people who get upset arent pc gamers.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Wasn't there a story a few weeks ago about how Vista runs better on a mac then on a PC.

Also, slick computer TVC, you could edit real-time HD with that.

[TVC15]

I heard that the same exact parts in a Mac are usually 1.5 times more expensive than the competition (most manufacturers do a 2 times markup and Apple does a 3 times markup).

Not true.  Each of the 2 processors in my Mac Pro cost over 2k each when I built the machine.  Going by parts, the Mac Pro was probably between 1-2K below market price.  The Macs being overpriced thing isn't true, nor has it been true for at least several years.

[T234]

After two weeks of PC-BSD, I can safely say I am now a Windows Man. 

[Tauntaun]

IT'S OVER 5000!!

[Van Cruncheon]

Wasn't there a story a few weeks ago about how Vista runs better on a mac then on a PC.

that would be a stupid story, because their hardware configurations are identical save that a high-end pc currently has more performant parts than a high-end mac

[brawndolicious]

I heard that the same exact parts in a Mac are usually 1.5 times more expensive than the competition (most manufacturers do a 2 times markup and Apple does a 3 times markup).

Not true.  Each of the 2 processors in my Mac Pro cost over 2k each when I built the machine.  Going by parts, the Mac Pro was probably between 1-2K below market price.  The Macs being overpriced thing isn't true, nor has it been true for at least several years.

ah, didn't know that.  maybe I'm thinking about their iPod business.  I just know somebody said it somewhere about some Apple hardware.