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I actually would like to discuss the election with candidates that actually have supporters and thoughts about how the primary will shake out...etc. Meaning no candidates polling under 3% can be discussed!

What does everyone think about Huckabee's rise? Within the margin of error behind Rudy nationally, in the lead in Iowa. Or how about Obama's recent rise in Iowa?
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Re: Primary Election '08: Political Thread To Discuss Real Candidates
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 01:15:26 PM »
huckabee's rise terrifies me, frankly, and i am praying for even thompson to regain his dark horse status

on the other hand, mccain's abysmal campaign performance brings many lols

on the donkey side, i am sad that hillary will get the nom, since i find her contemptible

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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 01:33:10 PM »
All of them suck.
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2007, 02:10:10 PM »
I'll give Huckabee a chance. He definitely seems like a better candidate than fuckin Rudy, or Romney (although Romney is a smart dude). I'm not concerned about his religious opinions - which I respect - as much as I'm concerned about him being so damn inexperienced. If he wins the nomination I guarantee that his recent NIE quote (that he didn't read it, and doesn't know what it's about) will be everywhere.

He's pissing off conservatives because he's not "conservative" enough on taxes and immigration. At least he's not playing the Reagan card 24/7, claiming he'll skull fuck terrorists, etc like the other candidates. He seems to fit the whole "compassionate conservative" bill better than most. But then again, so did Bush in 2000...


On the Dem side

I'm still rooting for Obama over Hillary, just so I won't have to vote for her. Edwards seems almost irrelevent but polls say otherwise; the "angry liberal" thing worked for Dean a bit, but I just don't believe it when Edwards tries. And it's hard for me to listen to a man talk about the poorz when he's getting $400 haircuts and (allegedly) involved with some of the companies that are kicking people out of NO


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Re: Primary Election '08: Political Thread To Discuss Real Candidates
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2007, 02:30:01 PM »
And it's hard for me to listen to a man talk about the poorz when he's getting $400 haircuts and (allegedly) involved with some of the companies that are kicking people out of NO


don't be a dumbfuck. is a man supposed to act like a poor to defend the poor? and "allegedly" -- are we taking powerline as a reputable source of news, now?
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Re: Primary Election '08: Political Thread To Discuss Real Candidates
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2007, 02:31:33 PM »
Isn't there one candidate that wants to leave Iraq and won't compromise on civil liberties??

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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2007, 02:34:04 PM »
Guys, remember that time huckabee pardoned a rapist only to see the rapist rape and murder again!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/04/documents-expose-huckabee_n_75362.html

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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2007, 02:39:31 PM »
Isn't there one candidate that wants to leave Iraq and won't compromise on civil liberties??

not that's polling over 3%

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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2007, 02:43:24 PM »
And it's hard for me to listen to a man talk about the poorz when he's getting $400 haircuts and (allegedly) involved with some of the companies that are kicking people out of NO


don't be a dumbfuck. is a man supposed to act like a poor to defend the poor? and "allegedly" -- are we taking powerline as a reputable source of news, now?

I'm sorry but I just don't buy his act. I'm not saying he should sell all his belongings.

WSJ. Kinda old, but this isn't the first time Edwards has been exposed for talking one way, acting another
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/011561.php

I didn't know Trippi was working on the Edwards campaign until like a month ago. The firebrand liberal talk didn't work for Dean, and it isn't going to work for Edwards.
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Re: Primary Election '08: Political Thread To Discuss Real Candidates
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2007, 03:05:47 PM »
Isn't there one candidate that wants to leave Iraq and won't compromise on civil liberties??

this isn't a dennis kucinich thread, either
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Re: Primary Election '08: Political Thread To Discuss Real Candidates
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2007, 03:15:07 PM »
Poor people cant be politicians, the best we can hope for is someone who acknowledges that the poor are there
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2007, 03:24:48 PM »
Poor people cant be politicians, the best we can hope for is someone who acknowledges that the poor are there every four years

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Re: Primary Election '08: Political Thread To Discuss Real Candidates
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2007, 03:58:23 PM »
Drinky, who did you vote for in the 1992 primary?


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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2007, 04:06:54 PM »
I want a candidate that will print and endless amount of money to pay off debts and tell us it's in our best interest because it "creates capital." And on top of that I want more entitlements, more subsidys for business that should be taking care of themselves and I want homo marriage (number 1 issue)!!!

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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2007, 04:36:25 PM »
I want a candidate that will support forced euthanasia of annoying message board posters who aren't 1/10th as clever as they think they are. Then again, they support Ron Paul, so their cleverness is clearly lacking.
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2007, 04:40:43 PM »
I want a candidate who isn't afraid to tell the American people what they need to hear, and who isn't concerned about listening to whatever conventional wisdom is popular each month.

Biden :bow
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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2007, 04:48:45 PM »
I want a candidate who isn't afraid to tell the American people what they need to hear, and who isn't concerned about listening to whatever conventional wisdom is popular each month.

Biden :bow

What would biden tell us that we need to hear?

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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2007, 04:50:31 PM »
I want a candidate who isn't afraid to tell the American people what they need to hear, and who isn't concerned about listening to whatever conventional wisdom is popular each month.

Biden :bow

What would biden tell us that we need to hear?
that the surge is working to create military stability in iraq.
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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2007, 04:53:50 PM »
I want a candidate who isn't afraid to tell the American people what they need to hear, and who isn't concerned about listening to whatever conventional wisdom is popular each month.

Biden :bow

What would biden tell us that we need to hear?
that the surge is working to create military stability in iraq.

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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2007, 04:54:18 PM »
Thats what Biden says. As does John Murtha.
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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2007, 04:56:47 PM »
It is working, and has been for some time. BUT as Murtha/Biden/etc all say, what's more important right now is a political victory, ie the Iraqi congress getting shit done. We can't hold up the surge forever while the politicians bicker among themselves. There needs to be some pressure on them
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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2007, 04:57:43 PM »
It is working, and has been for some time. BUT as Murtha/Biden/etc all say, what's more important right now is a political victory, ie the Iraqi congress getting shit done. We can't hold up the surge forever while the politicians bicker among themselves. There needs to be some pressure on them
Yep yep its all about the political solution.

The candidates who must not be named in this thread fans who say all troops out at once are fools and are begging for genocide.


Anyhow, If Huckabee wins the nominee that will be the most fucked up thing ever. I almost hope he does to see what happens. I don't think he could win a general election.
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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2007, 05:02:51 PM »
Huckabee would beat Hillary or Obama, write it down
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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2007, 05:08:03 PM »
New polling from SC came out today, the third primary.

Republican wise Huckabee is now in the lead in the state. Obama has caught up to Hillary and is only 2% behind her there now.

My thoughts are Huckabee has killed Romneys chances. Romney's strategy was win the first 3 and focus on that the entire time and let those wins give him the national big states after. Huckabee is destroying that 3 for 3 win streak he was going for leaving him with his bad national numbers. This helps Rudy A LOT who is bad in early states but strong nationally.

My predictions right now are
1. Rudy/Huckabee (could go either way)
2. Romney
3. No one has a chance

1. Hillary (still, but not as strong as before)
2. Obama
3. Edwards
4. no one else has a chance
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« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2007, 05:09:48 PM »
pluto foc for bringing his garbage into the REAL CANDIDATES thread and not putting it into the shitheap

Huckabee has gigantic money issues and I think he'll be unable to mount a credible reprisal to the ravaging Ronmey and Rudy are going to put on him in the next few weeks. He has alienated the country club republicans-the ones that have the cash-and without them he'll run out of cash in this compressed primary season. Make no mistake though-the evangelicals have their man, and if he did win in Iowa it would be a huge thing for that part of the party (and help accelerate the GOP's slide to regional relevancy only).

I think Romney will bounce back a bit. He's done well to keep in cahoots with the moneyholders and powerbrokers, while keeping close enough to social conservatism that if the choice comes down to him versus Rudy, he's well placed to get them to vote for him even if he is a heretical monster because the alternative is a serial adulterer and urban yankee moral compromiser.

Rudy's probably in the most trouble right now-his plan of attack for the primaries is very backloaded, and if he has an early run of poor performance his organization and supporters will evaporate. He's really got to find a way to torpedo either Romney or Huckabee ( I say he goes for Romney ) to keep from a bad streak of third place showings early on. His biggest problem right now is the skeletons in his closet and they will keep dragging him down-he just has to tear someone else down faster.

Wouldn't ever vote for any of those shitwits myself.

On the dem side:

Hillary is well-positioned, well-funded, and still in good shape. The race is getting closer but she's still ahead, still popular, and still has the best team in the business working for her. I think she'll win Iowa and then run the table.

Obama desparately needs to win in Iowa to make this a race, the problem I think with him is that the turnout for his supporters will not be as solid as Hillary's, and that will make the difference.

Edwards is my favorite candidate by far and supposedly has the killer Iowa organization, but I don't see it reaping the kind of large uptick over the polls at the caucuses themselves. Organization takes a squeaker and makes it a win, as a rule, but it won't win the campaign for you. His best hope right now is that Obama and Clinton nuke each other into oblivion with the voters-but the problem is there that the voters are in large part distracted by the holiday season. There's not enough campaign blitz runway for them to really reject BOTH top two candidates.



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Re: Primary Election '08: Political Thread To Discuss Real Candidates
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2007, 05:10:35 PM »
Huckabee would beat Hillary or Obama, write it down

haha the Huck would get throttled. No corporate money+crazy jesusman beliefs = doomed.
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« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2007, 05:11:17 PM »
I think its time we had a woman president. I'm voting for Hillary.

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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2007, 05:13:17 PM »
It is working, and has been for some time. BUT as Murtha/Biden/etc all say, what's more important right now is a political victory, ie the Iraqi congress getting shit done. We can't hold up the surge forever while the politicians bicker among themselves. There needs to be some pressure on them

Yea, someone email the Iraqi congress and tell them tos top dicking around and let our boys win!

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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2007, 05:15:07 PM »

Obama desparately needs to win in Iowa to make this a race, the problem I think with him is that the turnout for his supporters will not be as solid as Hillary's, and that will make the difference.


Thats a giant problem he has. They got lots of under 24-somethings registered at rallies and events at their COLLEGE. Colleges will shut down for christmas break when the primary happens and all these early 20's college kids will be at their parents homes and will not be able to vote.

Obama's campaign asked Iowa's colleges to reopen early (not classes obviously) so students can vote who are registered there and they said no.
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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2007, 05:18:34 PM »
Yea, Obama might be fucked in that regard. If so I could definitely see Edwards pulling off the upset.

Romney has the money and organization to win Iowa, but I could see Huck winning the next two easily. I'm not underestimating him anymore. The money will start piling up once he wins a primary, trust me. You guys think Christians don't have money?  :lol

And if he gets the nomination he'll have the support of the party. No republican candidate is going to out monie the democrats anyway.
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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2007, 05:28:48 PM »
Yea, Obama might be fucked in that regard. If so I could definitely see Edwards pulling off the upset.

Romney has the money and organization to win Iowa, but I could see Huck winning the next two easily. I'm not underestimating him anymore. The money will start piling up once he wins a primary, trust me. You guys think Christians don't have money?  :lol

And if he gets the nomination he'll have the support of the party. No republican candidate is going to out monie the democrats anyway.

At least Romney or Rudy could come close. Huckabee would get trounced moneywise, especially if Hillary was the dem nominee. She's suck in corporate monies way better than Huckabee ever could. Heck, the Huck would probably have to resort to public matching, which would be the kiss of death for a GOP candidate.

Huckabee is WAY behind in NH-a (now) deep blue state with many more godless heathens than Iowa-and I don't see him having a chance of going anywhere there. I think that he'll wind up behind even McCain in that state. He'll probably do terrible as well in Michigan. He'll need a huge enough win in SC and then a monster showing in the Florida Panhandle to win the nomination.

I think he'll falter before that-people will start worrying about his electability and his candle will die out as fast as it lit up.
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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2007, 05:33:56 PM »
That's his weakness: he's not built for the long term. Romney has enough money to start thinking about February, along with Rudy. But if Huck wins 2 of the first 3 primaries he'll be set imo. The republican/conservative brass doesn't like him right now, at all - so he'll have to force them to respect his candidacy.
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« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2007, 05:42:14 PM »
That's his weakness: he's not built for the long term. Romney has enough money to start thinking about February, along with Rudy. But if Huck wins 2 of the first 3 primaries he'll be set imo. The republican/conservative brass doesn't like him right now, at all - so he'll have to force them to respect his candidacy.

So what if Huck goes 1-4-3-1?

1st in Iowa
4th in NH
3rd in Michigan
1st in South Carolina

I see that as his best case scenario at this point. I think voters will see that as a sign of a divisive, 'non-electable' candidate, at which point he loses the Florida primaries and collapses on Super Tuesday. Sorry fundies!
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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2007, 05:43:47 PM »
That would make Rudy the nominee. Romney NEEDS to win Iowa.
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« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2007, 05:58:06 PM »
That's his weakness: he's not built for the long term. Romney has enough money to start thinking about February, along with Rudy. But if Huck wins 2 of the first 3 primaries he'll be set imo. The republican/conservative brass doesn't like him right now, at all - so he'll have to force them to respect his candidacy.

So what if Huck goes 1-4-3-1?

1st in Iowa
4th in NH
3rd in Michigan
1st in South Carolina

I see that as his best case scenario at this point. I think voters will see that as a sign of a divisive, 'non-electable' candidate, at which point he loses the Florida primaries and collapses on Super Tuesday. Sorry fundies!

I see him going 2-1-3-1 in that scenario. His support is slowly building. Romney is going to win Michigan, hands down, as well as Iowa. Rudy won't win anything until Florida
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« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2007, 06:07:06 PM »
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« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2007, 06:12:34 PM »
Chris Mathews is going Ga-Ga over Mitt Romney's speech. What do you guys think?

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« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2007, 06:17:39 PM »
I watch Hardball at 7 instead of 5 (Around the Horn/PTI!) :bow
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« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2007, 06:23:48 PM »
I think it was a good speech for him. He really pounded home the notions that he wasn't going to let the godless liberal secularists bulldoze their churches and erect Whole Foods stores in their place, at the very least.
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« Reply #40 on: December 06, 2007, 06:27:54 PM »
It was a solid speech, I agree. It wont go down in history like Kennedy's though.
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« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2007, 06:31:29 PM »
I dont think the speech was as passionate as mathews does. It still sounded like a used car salesman speech.

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« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2007, 06:39:02 PM »
Well Romney is a republican version of John Kerry just more refined.
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« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2007, 06:42:38 PM »
Well Romney is a republican version of John Kerry just more refined.

Yup.

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« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2007, 06:59:38 PM »
And it's hard for me to listen to a man talk about the poorz when he's getting $400 haircuts and (allegedly) involved with some of the companies that are kicking people out of NO

don't be a dumbfuck. is a man supposed to act like a poor to defend the poor? and "allegedly" -- are we taking powerline as a reputable source of news, now?

IIRC, Edwards doing high-priced consultant work for a firm which owned or was heavily invested in a hedge fund.  The fund included a bunch of subprime derivatives or some direct ownership of a bank that forclosed on poor people in NO.

It's just another verse from the "If Al Gore cares so much, why does he breathe out CO2!?" song.

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« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2007, 07:27:32 PM »
Which is a perfectly valid song. But I'm guessing hypocrisy only applies to republicans right?

FoC: I saw a couple clips from the speech and I kinda agree with you. It seemed like he was hesitant, and didn't even want to give the speech. I'll make sure to watch the entire thing later tonight, but so far I'm not impressed.

It sucks that there are religious people out there who would not vote for Romney just because he's mormon.
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« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2007, 07:27:37 PM »
John Edwards seems self-absorbed.

His wife seems to be a saint though.
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« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2007, 07:30:00 PM »
His wife seems like the puppet master to me. No wonder John is cheating on her
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« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2007, 07:35:26 PM »
I probably wouldn't vote for Romany because of the Mormon thing. The whole church is a fucking scam. Required things? Sounds like socialism. Plus I don't believe aliens and Indians ever met.

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« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2007, 07:36:38 PM »
*Required tithing

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« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2007, 07:36:54 PM »
I couldn't care less about his religious sentiments as long as he didn't attempt to force them on the public.
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« Reply #51 on: December 06, 2007, 07:38:04 PM »
I couldn't care less about his religious sentiments as long as he didn't attempt to force them on the public.

True, but I dont trust him. so...

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« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2007, 07:39:55 PM »
I wouldn't vote for him because he is a Republican, boy that was easy.
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« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2007, 07:41:37 PM »
I wouldn't vote for him because he is a Republican, boy that was easy.

Ignorance is bliss right?

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« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2007, 07:42:20 PM »
Tithing isn't required, genius.

Mormons are required by Commandment of God to pay 10% of all their GROSS income to the LDS church. This includes all income, including, employment, social security, Medicare, foodstamps and trust funds and any other form of income, even including finding money on the ground.

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« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2007, 07:44:56 PM »
I wouldn't vote for him because he is a Republican, boy that was easy.

Ignorance is bliss right?
No, I just don't agree with the republican platform.

I want universal health care, I dont like the iraq war, I am pro-choice, I am pro-gay marriage, and I want the govt. to do something about global warming. That isn't ignorance that is just how I feel.


Anyway I see Iowa playing out in only two possible ways for the republicans:

1. Huckabee
2. Romney
3. Rudy

or

1. Romney
2. Huckabee
3. Rudy

NH I don't think there is any question of how the top 3 will look it's easily going to be
1. Romney
2. Rudy
3. McCain (Huckabee if he wins Iowa)
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« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2007, 07:51:00 PM »
Sorry to break it to you Gay Boy but the democrats don't support gay marriage either. Maybe they can give you want you want in terms of free health care, ie more taxes. And you know Hillary isn't leaving Iraq  :-*

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« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2007, 07:52:23 PM »
Sorry to break it to you Gay Boy but the democrats don't support gay marriage either. Maybe they can give you want you want in terms of free health care, ie more taxes. And you know Hillary isn't leaving Iraq  :-*


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FlameOfCallandor

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Re: Primary Election '08: Political Thread To Discuss Real Candidates
« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2007, 07:53:31 PM »
Also, gay boy doesn't pay taxes so I guess it would be like free healthcare for him.

Ichirou

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Re: Primary Election '08: Political Thread To Discuss Real Candidates
« Reply #59 on: December 06, 2007, 07:55:45 PM »
Must be pretty cool to have rich parents.
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