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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #300 on: December 14, 2007, 01:35:01 PM »
Landline issue is a myth. Because college students never show up even if they say they will so them not getting polled never impacts the outcome. In primary elections the youth vote is HORRIBLE, it makes the general election outcome of youth vote look amazing by comparison. That will not change, young people don't care about politics enough.

Polls right before the caucus's tend to predict correctly as well. Polls predicted Kerry's win.

Obama gets overwhelming the college support compared to any candidate on both sides, that is something he needs to expand.
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« Reply #301 on: December 14, 2007, 01:44:11 PM »
Landline issue is a myth. Because college students never show up even if they say they will so them not getting polled never impacts the outcome. In primary elections the youth vote is HORRIBLE, it makes the general election outcome of youth vote look amazing by comparison. That will not change, young people don't care about politics enough.

Polls right before the caucus's tend to predict correctly as well. Polls predicted Kerry's win.

Obama gets overwhelming the college support compared to any candidate on both sides, that is something he needs to expand.

How did Dean poll so high if it was just a bunch of college kids?

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #302 on: December 14, 2007, 01:46:04 PM »
Landline issue is a myth. Because college students never show up even if they say they will so them not getting polled never impacts the outcome. In primary elections the youth vote is HORRIBLE, it makes the general election outcome of youth vote look amazing by comparison. That will not change, young people don't care about politics enough.

Polls right before the caucus's tend to predict correctly as well. Polls predicted Kerry's win.

Obama gets overwhelming the college support compared to any candidate on both sides, that is something he needs to expand.

How did Dean poll so high if it was just a bunch of college kids?
It wasn't. That was DailyKos's view. Dean fell in the polls in December before the primary and Kerry rose.

Much like what is going on with Romney and Huckabee.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #303 on: December 14, 2007, 01:58:07 PM »
Dean had a mixture of anti-war support and college age people, essentially the far left. Both groups don't win elections, in part because the majority of the left is always afraid to ally with them for fear of "electibility" issues. So Dean was left with an unstable group of supporters and his numbers reflected that, especially in places like Iowa where the politics aren't exactly hardcore liberal; who knows, if the first primary was held in NY or California things could have been different for him.

The early primaries are really going to kill Obama this race imo. If he loses badly, he can kiss his chances of expanding his black support goodbye; blacks aren't going to move to Obama in any large numbers until it seems like he can win. Also, this undeserved Kennedy-esque aura Obama has will die if, after all the hype and "hope", he can't compel the new generation to stand up and vote. Kennedy inspired people, especially the younger people of that time who are in their 50s and 60s today and still haven't gotten over his death. I may not particularly like the Kennedy kool-aid but it's useless to argue with history. These people are looking at Obama curiously, wondering whether he's truly "the one" so to speak.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #304 on: December 14, 2007, 02:01:02 PM »
JFK in the 60' primary had the establishment behind him due to his father. Obama doesn't.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #305 on: December 14, 2007, 02:03:38 PM »
He also happened to inspire a lot of people, whether they were old enough to vote or not. I'm not sure Obama does that...
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« Reply #306 on: December 14, 2007, 02:07:59 PM »
He also happened to inspire a lot of people, whether they were old enough to vote or not. I'm not sure Obama does that...
I am just saying that JFK was far from the outsider that Obama was. The kennedy's went hand and hand with insider dem' politics, before JFK was ever president.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #307 on: December 14, 2007, 02:17:35 PM »
Do you agree with me and Kos about Obama losing Iowa due to young voters?
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #308 on: December 14, 2007, 02:22:15 PM »
Do you agree with me and Kos about Obama losing Iowa due to young voters?
Obama will lose Iowa for multiple reasons. That is just one. Lack of a strong organization...etc as well. I will go as far as to say he'll get third.  Edwards organization and background with the state from being there the longest will get him #2.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #309 on: December 14, 2007, 02:32:27 PM »
Edwards isnt winning anything.

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« Reply #310 on: December 14, 2007, 02:35:14 PM »
Edwards could win Iowa, which could possibly increase his NH numbers.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #311 on: December 14, 2007, 02:37:44 PM »
Edwards isnt winning anything.
Iowa is more about organization tha actually voters and Edwards organization is strong in Iowa.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #312 on: December 14, 2007, 02:53:50 PM »
Edwards isnt winning anything.
Iowa is more about organization tha actually voters and Edwards organization is strong in Iowa.

Edwards isnt winning anything.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #313 on: December 14, 2007, 02:58:11 PM »
Edwards isnt winning anything.
Iowa is more about organization tha actually voters and Edwards organization is strong in Iowa.

Edwards isnt winning anything.
I never said he'd win. But you have a lot of room to talk Edwards is far more viable than Paul.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #314 on: December 14, 2007, 03:05:21 PM »
Edwards isnt winning anything.
Iowa is more about organization tha actually voters and Edwards organization is strong in Iowa.

Edwards isnt winning anything.

You just WANT people to bring up Paul don't you

Edwards has a shot in Iowa. Obama has a shot in NH/SC imo but we'll see
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #315 on: December 14, 2007, 03:12:24 PM »
Obama has a shot in Iowa also, whatever kind of college crap Gay boy says.

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« Reply #316 on: December 14, 2007, 03:14:53 PM »
Obama has a shot in Iowa also, whatever kind of college crap Gay boy says.
He does have a shot but I dont think he'll win, nor do a lot of people. Hillary is still the general consensus.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #317 on: December 14, 2007, 03:25:32 PM »
Obama has a shot in Iowa also, whatever kind of college crap Gay boy says.

Wow

The "college crap" is a major concern for Obama. How is he going to win the election if many of his supporters aren't in the state to vote? To make matters worse, who knows what these first time voters will do once they walk into the caucus and see all hell breaking loose.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #318 on: December 14, 2007, 03:33:53 PM »
yeah. Caucus's are not for the faint at heart. PD you think you could handle the pressure of people screaming at you and demanding your vote to your face and then having to openly declare your choice while they stare at you are in a loud and crowded room>?
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« Reply #319 on: December 14, 2007, 03:34:54 PM »
yeah. Caucus's are not for the faint at heart. PD you think you could handle the pressure of people screaming at you and demanding your vote to your face and then having to openly declare your choice while they stare at you are in a loud and crowded room>?

Of course, I know what I believe in. But most college kids who fall for the "hope" policy don't lol
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #320 on: December 14, 2007, 03:36:15 PM »
yeah. Caucus's are not for the faint at heart. PD you think you could handle the pressure of people screaming at you and demanding your vote to your face and then having to openly declare your choice while they stare at you are in a loud and crowded room>?

Of course, I know what I believe in. But most college kids who fall for the "hope" policy don't lol
you'd vote biden
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #321 on: December 14, 2007, 03:37:06 PM »
If I lived in Iowa I'd vote for Obama
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #322 on: December 14, 2007, 03:37:54 PM »
If I lived in Iowa I'd vote for Obama
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #323 on: December 14, 2007, 03:43:15 PM »
James Watson is more black than Obama.  :punch


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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #324 on: December 14, 2007, 04:20:02 PM »
Gay Boy, have you been to caucus? How was it?

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PD you think you could handle the pressure of people screaming at you and demanding your vote to your face and then having to openly declare your choice while they stare at you are in a loud and crowded room>?

Do you think the loudest group of people will win?

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #325 on: December 14, 2007, 04:22:41 PM »
I predict bodily harm at the republican caucus.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #326 on: December 14, 2007, 04:26:47 PM »
why are there caucuses?  are these people that sit near/in front of the voting booth and shout at you?  why is this allowed?

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #327 on: December 14, 2007, 04:31:07 PM »
where do I find information on shouting at people to vote for you?

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« Reply #328 on: December 14, 2007, 04:31:33 PM »
where do I find information on shouting at people to vote for you?

Wikipedia -> Iowa Caucus

Or youtube it.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #329 on: December 14, 2007, 04:38:11 PM »
There is no booths. Everyone stands in corners of the room for their candidate and yell and scream at others to switch sides.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #330 on: December 14, 2007, 04:41:44 PM »
so where do you vote?

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #333 on: December 14, 2007, 08:48:08 PM »
Watching Huckabee rile the right wing pundit set is pretty fun.

Charles Krauthammer, who's sided with the religious right on Terri Schiavo and stem cells, who, as far as I can tell, has never complained about Bush's religiosity, who said (in a meta-review of Borat, naturally) that conservative midwest honkeys are the bulwark against a new Holocaust, is shocked, SHOCKED, to find out that a Christian candidate is using identity politics.

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« Reply #334 on: December 14, 2007, 11:39:25 PM »
Lets play, "guess which blog!"  Looks like... Andrew Sullivan?  Ugh how could you?
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #335 on: December 15, 2007, 06:50:04 AM »
Physical edition of the WP.  You know they still have that, right?

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #336 on: December 15, 2007, 09:31:15 AM »
Not in New York.  Where do you live?
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #337 on: December 15, 2007, 12:03:11 PM »
http://www.ronpaularchives.com/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=33&task=videodirectlink&id=129

This is the kind of stuff that wins elections, people. Not frank luntz polling or imaginary machinery.

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« Reply #338 on: December 15, 2007, 12:23:18 PM »
http://www.ronpaularchives.com/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=33&task=videodirectlink&id=129

This is the kind of stuff that wins elections, people. Not frank luntz polling or imaginary machinery.
you are not allowed to put that stuff in this thread. Ron Paul is only allowed to discussed in terms of republican debate performances, polls, or election outcomes. Stupid videos about his blimp got in your shitheap thread.

Here is some REAL news. Huckabee is winning in Florida now. Previous month polling in ()'s:
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A bomb just dropped in the Presidential race. Rudy Giuliani was going to win the nomination by placing or showing in, but not winning, a bunch of early primary states. And then he was going to win in Florida. But a new Rasmussen poll, if verified with more polling, would explode that theory:

   Rasmussen GOP Florida Primary

   * Mike Huckabee 27% (9%)
    * Mitt Romney 23% (19%)
    * Rudy Giuliani 19% (27%)
    * Fred Thompson 9% (16%)
    * John McCain 6% (10%)
    * Ron Paul 4% (5%)
    * Some other candidate 2% (2%)
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #339 on: December 15, 2007, 01:33:11 PM »
old people + jesus = a winning combination :-\
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« Reply #340 on: December 15, 2007, 01:34:07 PM »
GO RON PAUL!!!!
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #341 on: December 15, 2007, 03:00:59 PM »
Florida :lol

So what's Rudy gonna brag about now?

Also, Huckabee has totally killed Thompson's campaign. What a dud
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« Reply #342 on: December 15, 2007, 03:36:54 PM »
Seriously; does Mandark live in the DC area?  I'm curious to know.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #343 on: December 15, 2007, 03:43:03 PM »
Do you honestly think anyone would you their location?







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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #344 on: December 15, 2007, 04:02:24 PM »
Me specifically?  Just because I'm a member of the Bush Administration, that doesn't mean I'm trying to extract some sort of retribution for ideological disagreements.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #345 on: December 15, 2007, 04:45:05 PM »
[youtube=425,350]_45KK8jwJR0[/youtube]


Bill in blackface, trying to have it both ways on Obama.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #346 on: December 16, 2007, 12:50:46 PM »
Huckabee gave a speech this weekend trashing Bush's foreign policy. Not a smart move for someone trying to win the republican primary.

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The Bush administration's arrogant bunker mentality has been counterproductive at home and abroad.
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« Reply #347 on: December 16, 2007, 12:53:57 PM »
Huckabee gave a speech this weekend trashing Bush's foreign policy. Not a smart move for someone trying to win the republican primary.



Incorrect again Gay Boy. None of the republicans are trying to stand close to Bush.


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« Reply #348 on: December 16, 2007, 12:56:08 PM »
Huckabee gave a speech this weekend trashing Bush's foreign policy. Not a smart move for someone trying to win the republican primary.



Incorrect again Gay Boy. None of the republicans are trying to stand close to Bush.


they are on foreign policy. the front runners embrace the Iraq War.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #349 on: December 16, 2007, 01:55:33 PM »
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Romney said former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who has passed him in many polls in the GOP presidential race, should apologize for his statement in Foreign Affairs magazine that the Bush administration has an “arrogant bunker mentality.”

“That’s an insult to the president, and Mike Huckabee should apologize to the president,” Romney said.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #350 on: December 16, 2007, 02:38:33 PM »
Huckabee doesn't need Bush, and unlike the other candidates he's not afraid to admit it
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #351 on: December 16, 2007, 03:11:56 PM »
Are you saying all the Republican candidates are gay?
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #352 on: December 16, 2007, 03:15:21 PM »
Well they don't support gay marriage so OBVIOUSLY they're in the closet homos...

I love the subtle homophobia in those types of arguments

Huckabee has never given me the "neo-con type" impression. Romney hasn't either but he's playing the role in order to get the nomination
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #353 on: December 16, 2007, 04:02:52 PM »
Holy crap..

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/16/74357/414/311/422763
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Two boy scout counselors, 17 year old Clayton Frady and 18 year old David litickabee, the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.

Camp officials, who did not report the crime to law enforcement officials, have admitted that the act did occur and have fired the boys from their positions. However, no charges have been filed against the young men.

even though it was his sons that did it I don't think Huckabee is going to come back from this.  especially with how much trouble Micheal Vick got into.

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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #354 on: December 16, 2007, 04:04:43 PM »
Holy crap..

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/16/74357/414/311/422763
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Two boy scout counselors, 17 year old Clayton Frady and 18 year old David litickabee, the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.

Camp officials, who did not report the crime to law enforcement officials, have admitted that the act did occur and have fired the boys from their positions. However, no charges have been filed against the young men.

even though it was his sons that did it I don't think Huckabee is going to come back from this.  especially with how much trouble Micheal Vick got into.

What?
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #355 on: December 16, 2007, 04:10:27 PM »
Vick got into trouble for killing dogs just recently, a presidential candidate's sons murdering and torturing a dog should probably also get a lot of publicity.

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« Reply #356 on: December 16, 2007, 04:13:02 PM »
Oh please.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #357 on: December 16, 2007, 04:14:11 PM »
That story is VERY VERY VERY old. I heard about it ages ago. It gained no media traction at all.


Edit: ugh. Did you even read the date of the article?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,268762,00.html
Thursday, April 26, 2007

I told you it was old and got no media traction.
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Re: Official 2008 Election thread
« Reply #358 on: December 16, 2007, 04:16:00 PM »
well somebody reposted it on a blog then!

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« Reply #359 on: December 16, 2007, 04:19:58 PM »
Liberal blogs are scared of Huckabee so they are reposting old news stories. The media has gone through this story and is done with it.

From MyDD:
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I was knocking on doors today, and one woman (who is still undecided between Edwards, Clinton and Obama) volunteered that Huckabee is the only Republican she likes. She saw him on some tv show and thought, I really like this guy.

I worry about his ability to attract independents, especially since we cannot hang the Bush policy agenda around his neck. He does not come across as scary.
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