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Re: Oh Jesus Fuck, Rob Zombie's Halloween is. . .
« Reply #60 on: December 20, 2007, 04:24:38 AM »
I don't put much stock in IGN movie reviews, but holy fuck:
http://dvd.ign.com/articles/841/841158p1.html

0/10? I need to see this  :lol
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Re: Oh Jesus Fuck, Rob Zombie's Halloween is. . .
« Reply #61 on: December 20, 2007, 04:30:52 AM »
The only good thing about Halloween 2007 is that John Carpenter got some free money. He deserves it for giving us The Thing.
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Re: Oh Jesus Fuck, Rob Zombie's Halloween is. . .
« Reply #62 on: December 20, 2007, 04:43:23 AM »
It's most certainly not a 0/10.  That makes it sound much more interesting than it actually is.  The only people that would possibly score it like that would be the ultimate Carpenter clithangers.  Zombie's Halloween ain't so hot, but it's not a disaster either.  It's a mediocre, PEDESTRIAN slasher flick with not a whole lot of Zombie flavor.
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Re: Oh Jesus Fuck, Rob Zombie's Halloween is. . .
« Reply #63 on: December 20, 2007, 04:56:13 AM »
I thought you had me on ignore? Your will power is quite pedestrian

When I see a score that bad I can't help but wonder whether the critic was using the score to make a point. Even horrible movies like Pinata and Captivity wouldn't get a 0 from me. Hell, there's plenty to love about Pinata

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Re: Oh Jesus Fuck, Rob Zombie's Halloween is. . .
« Reply #64 on: December 20, 2007, 06:04:59 AM »
I felt it was actually superior to the original. Also if you've ever been around girls that age, they do talk to each other like that.

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Re: Oh Jesus Fuck, Rob Zombie's Halloween is. . .
« Reply #65 on: December 20, 2007, 06:49:47 AM »
usually a 0/10 is a "message" the critic is trying to send since most movie critics are pretentious jack offs that think giving a numerical value for the average shitfuck to decide what to do on his friday nights matters.

take Ebert and his review of the second deuce bigalow movie.  he didn't really review the movie.  he just said that since rob schnyder believed another critic from LA who said the movie sucked had no credibility since that critic apparently didn't have a pulitzer prize, that Ebert would give the movie a 0/5 stars since he does have a pulitzer prize.  that was the whole review.  like I said, every movie critic is a pretentious jack off.  If a movie is bad, I would rather actually still watch it if I was hyped for it so that I can see how the movie was fucked up.  unless it's transformers.  I was hyped for that until I saw shia lebeef and michael bay's name on it.

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Re: Oh Jesus Fuck, Rob Zombie's Halloween is. . .
« Reply #66 on: December 20, 2007, 09:04:46 AM »
Im glad Whitey came around. 6/10 is pretty much the perfect rating. It fucks a lot of things up, but it does a few things really well. For me, its better than 1000 Corpses, but vastly inferior to the fuckawesome Devil's Rejects.

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Re: Oh Jesus Fuck, Rob Zombie's Halloween is. . .
« Reply #67 on: December 20, 2007, 09:39:09 PM »
I felt it was actually superior to the original. Also if you've ever been around girls that age, they do talk to each other like that.


um they do - but certainly not that trashy, espcially what they were trying to portray Laurie as...I had no remorse for her to escape, or get behind her at all.


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Re: Oh Jesus Fuck, Rob Zombie's Halloween is. . .
« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2008, 12:18:55 AM »
The Smith's Grove stuff was pure shit.  That little kid who plays Michael cannot act whatsoever and McDowell wears the worst wig in the history of film as he phones in his performance.  You can literally see him cashing in his check.

Again, the unrated cut. They add some scenes that weren't in the theatrical or the work print. Mainly black and while shots with McDowell voiceovers. It's basically some shots of him standing around in some of the creepier masks that weren't seen in the theatrical. It really adds to the film IMO, because I thought the Smith's Grove sequence was adequate, but lacking.

It's obvious from the casting on the special features that they had better child actors (the kid who played Tommy, while not that much better, kicked Daeg Faerch's ass with his performance in the screen tests) but that Zombie used Faerch because he looks creepier. It's evident that the decision was justified whenever I watched the added VO scenes, with the kid wearing the mask, what direction Zombie took with it and why.

I'm definitely glad they took the grown up Michael Myers dialogue out of it as well, some of the dialogue was used for the actors (Scout-Taylor Compton, specifically) to respond to in the screen tests, and it was utter shit.

I see Zombie's reasoning to use Faerch, but damn, if they would have used the child actor who played Tommy, it would have been a totally different film. They could have used him and made a Norman Batesish type child character, a skinny kid who isn't that intimidating, but could have been believable as a quiet psychopath. Faerch's only good scene was the bathroom scene where he tells the principal "Fuck You." The rest of it I try to forget.

It's by far not a perfect film, but in terms of some of the horror movies I've seen recently, much better than some of the crap Hollywood shits into theatres... mainly because I see some actual decisions and work put into the film. I like the new Halloween, but I'm not about to put it over the Carpenter original. There are some things clicking in it though, and it does succeed on a level.

It's around a 6.5 or 7 IMO.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol your opinions on the internet are much different than they are "IRL." And wrong too, the kid that played Tommy was SHIT as Michael, he had no substance whatsoever in those screen tests. He did much better as Tommy, yes, but Daeg did a fucking good job as young Michael. Of course I'm not a super elitist like the rest of you, I don't really think any child actor has been UTTERLY AMAZING in their roles but I thought Daeg did a really nice job, especially when he asks his mom if everyone at home is okay.

Again,  :lol :lol :lol , I can't tell if you lied to me about what you thought about Halloween, or if you just don't want to have differing opinions on the internet. It's pretty goddamn confusing!

And sorry, Zombie's Halloween had much better acting than the original, maybe sans Donald Pleasance. The girl that played Annie in the original had some pretty ham-fisted deliveries, the girl that played Lynda -- good, but she wasn't exactly best supporting actress material, and Jamie Lee Curtis held her own good enough but it's not like her acting was anything unique or legendary. Of course it's the way the parts are written in the original and the remake, she was a slightly different character in both, but how's that bad? Scout Taylor-Compton brought with her an extreme amount of charm and energy to the role. Jamie Lee's Laurie was much more subdued and laid back -- and while that isn't a bad thing, it isn't exactly fantastic character writing either. Pretty sure most of the Halloween remake hate comes from the original being held on such a ridiculously high pedestal. I think it's fucking great too, the original, but seriously come on.

As for the "white trash" stuff, there isn't much of it, and I think it really just comes down to whether or not you prefer it. I don't think it's "bad." Ronnie, to me, had some pretty hilarious dialogue and he did a good job with it. A lot of it is quotable, if you ask me. And he gets a great death scene, too. Speaking of dialogue, again I don't really see how the original had SOOOO MUCH BETTER lines. In fact I think Zombie wrote better, more energetic dialogue. Just my opinion but I can think of a lot of lines from his Halloween while the only shit I can recall from the original is some of the stuff that Loomis says. In NO WAY am I downplaying the original -- it still has far more subtlety and it's creepier and was a landmark horror film for its time. But I'm not sure how Rob's Halloween was supposed to "top it" in those aspects since the original got said aspects perfectly right. Then you may ask, well, what was the point of a remake? And as a Halloween fan, I can answer that pretty easily -- because Michael Myers and the whole mythology is fucking great and all the sequels were pure ass and didn't do it justice. In my mind, Rob Zombie is the first director to come along and respect what John Carpenter did, and simply made a movie that fleshed out those ideas more, and to me it turned out to be the best slasher film SINCE the original. I've seen so many shitty horror movies in my day, and I cannot say this is one of them, especially compared to such gems as BOOGEYMAN or THE GRUDGE.

Before I get labels from a couple of you, know there ARE things I didn't like about it. Just not many. I didn't like Danny Trejo's death, I think it went on a bit too long with the whole head being dunked into the sinkwater, and unlike Bloodwake I don't think the bathroom scene at the school is all that great, even in the DVD commentary Rob Zombie said that Daeg couldn't restrain himself from laughing because he got to say "Fuck you" for the camera a number of times and I think this rather hurts the scene because you can tell he's trying not to laugh. Also, not all the dialogue is great, but I still think it has better dialogue than the original. So yes, I have problems with it but I just don't think it's the mess that everyone claims it is, not even fucking close.
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Re: Oh Jesus Fuck, Rob Zombie's Halloween is. . .
« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2008, 05:51:08 PM »
Jesus Christ dude. Uh, no, my opinions are basically the same.

There's two fucking ways to cast Michael Myers. Make the kid like Norman Bates (Tommy) or make the kid huge and intimidating (Daeg Faerch). Honestly, for me it's just personal preference. My fucking favorite movie is Taxi Driver for fuck's sake.

I like Travis Bickle/Norman Bates/weak looking psychopath characters because I'M a weak looking guy. No one expect ME to go crazy and kill people, and that's the point. It's unexpected.

The thing about child actors is that they all fucking suck. Not all of them can be Dakota Fanning or Haley Joel Osment. And as for everything else, I pretty much stand by it. It's not a perfect film, but there really isn't a fucking perfect film out there. I enjoyed it, it was amusing, but I can see how the white trash shit can get on people's nerves. If I didn't have to deal with white trash on a daily basis I wouldn't be able to laugh at it. I may be annoyed. Fuck, in real life, I AM annoyed. It's one of the reasons I hate this fucking state.

Damn, it's just a fucking movie.

And, as I told you WHILE WE FUCKING WATCHED THE UNRATED DVD, I thought the Smith's Grove sequences were much more fleshed out with the additions, making them better. Guess that's a change in opinion too.

Jesus Christ.
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Re: Oh Jesus Fuck, Rob Zombie's Halloween is. . .
« Reply #70 on: February 02, 2008, 08:29:05 PM »
I think my post came off more harshly than I intended, plus I was kinda drunk last night (though what I said wasn't fueled by the vodka). So sorry about that, I wasn't exactly trying to "call you out" or anything. Just seemed like you liked the movie a lot more than you let on.

And yeah I just found the dialogue amusing and I love William Forsythe. And like I said, I didn't think there was much of the white trash material to begin with, it's literally about... 10 minutes out of a nearly 2 hour movie.
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Re: Oh Jesus Fuck, Rob Zombie's Halloween is. . .
« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2008, 08:34:47 PM »
Jesus fuck Willco, I think we get it. Zombie's Halloween comes nowhere near the dingy, cum-stained shrine you've set up for Carpenter's classic in your eyes. How many times are you going to repeat yourself in one topic?

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Re: Oh Jesus Fuck, Rob Zombie's Halloween is. . .
« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2008, 08:51:26 PM »
Woah shit @ the hostility in this thead. I haven't seen this much Kentuckian-on-Kentuckian hate since the time my cousin almost blew my friend's head off at my fireworks show years ago.

Y'all hug that shit out!
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