Lets review PS3

[MrAngryFace]

Game Library = Inferior. Mostly ports of games that run better on other platforms. MLB The Show the only decent series.

Online Game Library = Super Stardust HD is the only game that deserves the hype. Everday Shooter is a flash in the pan Garden State.

Online Community/Store = Crap. If I wanted to travel back in time to use a commercial site hosted on GeoCities I would have hired a mad-scientist.

Controller = A mere shadow of the DS2, and with awful shoulder buttons to boot!

The Fans = Channeling Nintendo Fans of the early 2000's. They live in a fantasy world where poor running games magically run well, and awesome games on other systems would run better on ps3 if they had more storage via bluray.

Bluray Playback = Awesome, its a great Bluray player.

[y2kev]

GPU: rsx budget gpu
Games: no games
CPU: cell gimped and distinguished mentally-challenged cpu
Online: awful shell of xbox live

Discuss

[Mupepe]

Potential: CHOCK FULL OF IT

[Tigerriot]

This is a fantastic thread.  Opinions are fun. 

[abrader]

huh

/dark shake

[Eel O'Brian]

Game Library = Insubstantial, but has potential for 2008.  I liked Uncharted up until the end.  Didn't care for Ratchet.  Even though I have been kind of meh about Resistance and haven't even finished the SP, the online options for RII look insane and have me intrigued.  After reading all the glowing previews of MLB The Show 08 and what you can do with it, I am considering a purchase.  Also inFamous and LA Noire (I am so hot for this game, it's aesthetically right up my alley)

Online Game Library = I like it better than XBLA, actually.  The games are inventive and take chances with playstyle and art, even if they fail in the end.  They're priced fairly, for the most part.

Online Community/Store = Could use a lot of work by someone who isn't using Publisher as a framework.

Controller = I have never liked Sony controllers, so I would be an unfair judge, but man this thing feels flimsy without some weight in it.  I'll probably buy a DS3 when they hit.

The Fans = On equal footing with other lunatic fanboys of other systems, although I will admit the arrogance makes me rolleyes more.

Bluray Playback = Awesome, its a great Bluray player.  WHERE IS LOST SEASONS 1 AND 2, THAT'S BULLSHIT

[recursivelyenumerable]

Hardware: Haven't looked into it seriously, but seems pretty good, could use some more RAM unfortunately (and better development tools/support)

Games: Crap so far, but the future is looking good

Value: At $50 more than the non-gimped Xbox, it's now competitive when Blu-Ray is taken into account.  I personally refuse to pay more than $150 for any game system though.

Market outlook: I'm optimistic.  Next-gen will eventually pick up in Japan as prices drop and developers catch up technically.  The Wii isn't really competing for the same market, and X360 is already dead so I declare PS3 the winner in Japan as far as real games go.  In western markets, PS3 probably won't overtake 360 but it will come reasonably close.  By 2010 I expect PS3 to be the clear winner for real gamers with Japafag leanings.

[The Fake Shemp]

MAF, when Microsoft rolls out their Blu-ray addon for the Xbox 360 in coming months, are you going to sell your PS3?

[MrAngryFace]

I like how Late Adopters don't get hardware backwards compat or a decent sized drive lol. LOL. LETS PULL SUM FEATURES.

The only consolation to adopting early is that is plays the superior PS2 era titles. LOL

[MrAngryFace]

MAF, when Microsoft rolls out their Blu-ray addon for the Xbox 360 in coming months, are you going to sell your PS3?

No I need ps3 for Disgaea 3 and MLB The Show 08 and eventually someday when the new hot shots comes out...someday, once they've added enough degrading american stereotypes

[Eel O'Brian]

MAF, when Microsoft rolls out their Blu-ray addon for the Xbox 360 in coming months, are you going to sell your PS3?

Do you really think they'll do that?  I don't, at least not until sometime in 2009 if at all.  It would give off the air of concession.

[MrAngryFace]

Who knows what MS will do, I certainly don't. I'd probably keep the ps3 in the case that they do as im not a HUGE fan of hardware addons.

[Eel O'Brian]

Also, I'd be willing to bet money that there is going to be some half-assed software BC update in the future, so they can resell the hit titles on PSN.

[Tigerriot]

Game Library = A handful of really solid first party games that appeal to a wide range of people.  Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank.  All solid games with Uncharted being the real standout among them.  Most 360 owners would die to have that diverse group of games on their console.

Online Game Library = Super Stardust HD is awesome.  Calling all Cars is fun.  

Online Community/Store = People who don't own PS3's like to act like they know what it's like to play games online on it.  The truth is a large percentage of people playing online now have headsets, and this is most obvious in recent games like COD4 and Burnout Paradise.  Voice is much clearer than 360 games online as well.  Newer games like Paradise offer full access to your friends list while playing the game, and allow you to send messages and do all those friends related activities from the XMB.  Of course no one knows about this because no one is told about it.

Also, dedicated servers for Sony's first party games means a growing distinction will be noticable going forward when compared to the pay to play service of Xbox Live.

Controller = It's identical to the dual shock 2, but now it has triggers and sixaxis capabilities.  The Dual Shock 3 is awesome, and brings the controller to a finished state it should have been at launch.  Triggers aren't quite as comfortable as the 360 ones, but the analog stick works better in a lot of games, and the R1 and L1 buttons feel better than the 360's clicky alternatives.

The Fans = Sony fanboys are every bit as insane as 360 fanboys.  Both argue over stupid things, and waste their time getting nowhere doing it.

Bluray Playback = It's the best bluray player on the market, and it just so happens to be the high definition disc format of the next decade.  How nice of them to put that in my PS3.  Kinda makes the purchase of one seem quite sensible for almost anyone who owns or might own an HDTV.  Hmm, I wonder if that might help them sell this machine throughout the world in the next decade?  Hmm.

Reliability = The PS3 is as reliable as could be expected for a very high tech machine.  Compared to the 360's utter misery in this department, it's increasingly becoming the holy land for burned 360 owners who went through a handful of machines in the first two years.  Expect to see the transition become more common as the generation progresses.

[hyp]

game library = nothing system seller worthy but some good exclusives (drake, ratchet, resistance, motorstorm, ng sigma, etc.)  forget multi-plat,  better off getting the 360 version.

online game library = pretty good until omega 5 and rez hd came out on XBLA.  doesn't seem promising atm since nothing big has been announced.

online store = i could make a better interface in dreamweaver.

controller = great d-pad, bad "triggers", too light

the fans = you just wait, 2008.

blu-ray =

[hyp]

Game Library = A handful of really solid first party games that appeal to a wide range of people.  Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank.  All solid games with Uncharted being the real standout among them.  Most 360 owners would die to have that diverse group of games on their console.

   last i checked, the 360 library was pretty damn diverse.

[Tigerriot]

Game Library = A handful of really solid first party games that appeal to a wide range of people.  Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank.  All solid games with Uncharted being the real standout among them.  Most 360 owners would die to have that diverse group of games on their console.

   last i checked, the 360 library was pretty damn diverse.

Sure, it's diverse for the most part.  But it's painfully lacking an offroad racer like Motorstorm, an action hack n' slash like Heavenly Sword (or God of War next year), an adventure game like Uncharted, and a character platformer like Ratchet.  Say what you want, but those are the reasons I own a PS3.  Sony has a very diverse lineup that Microsoft simply seems to ignore.  The PS3 will also get a big shooter fix when Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 hit later this year, and people see what it's like to play great shooters on dedicated servers that you don't have to pay for. 

[hyp]

you're talking exclusives, 1st party?

[recursivelyenumerable]

Potential for 2008 is starting to become "potentially" potential for 2009 with a lot of games stacked at the back end of 2008. PS3 development needs to lose stigma of games being late or potential of slippage.

This is true, "PS3's year" is more 2009-10 than 2008, but I don't think that's a big problem.  This generation is likely to last till 2015 or so, there's plenty of time.  For that matter, last gen is still going strong (Wii) and will be for years.

[Tigerriot]

Controller court case another failure by sony and another sign of their bold contempt for fans. Case could have been resolved much earlier, but instead was able to resell stock of new DS3. Failure to replace existing controller pack ins further evidence of a lack of respect for their fanbase.

The Fans sane Sony fans have become a rarity. Reactionary, unable to contemplate life on the bottom rung they are kicking out without any community leaders with any class or finesse to carry them on. A dire situation for all involved - limited banter, playground level rallying crews, a sense of panic and crying youths in bedrooms mourning the death of the once proud leader. A sad day for all.

I just had to reply to both of those comments.  

1) A lack of respect for their fanbase?  OMG.  What do you call releasing a horribly shoddy game machine that the whole world realizes is a problem within a month, only to deny this fact for 18 months telling the customers the whole time it's really not as bad as they think?

That my friend is a lack of respect of EPIC proportions.    EPIC proportions.  Oh yeah, and what was it that you were saying about a controller being disrespectful?  



2) Some of the fans may be upset that the once great giant has now been knocked down a few pegs, but there are going to be an equal number of Xbots who seek professional counseling when Sony gets it's ducks in a row later in 2008/2009 and the PS3 surpasses the 360 in worldwide sales, and begins to catch up in North America.  A lot of them have convinced themselves the PS3 is all but dead right now, a year after being released.  They're gonna be in for a rude awakening when the obvious happens.

This isn't really a matter of opinion either.  Every single analyst was predicting the PS3 would win worldwide when it was all said and done, and they're still saying it now.  There is a reason for that, and it's simply because the Xbox will only ever be truly successful in North America, and that's not enough to win the overall war thats being faught.  

[hyp]

i could give a flying fuck about worldwide hardware numbers.   as a gamer, i want me some software.  if sony claims the #1 spot or wins whatever war you're talking about, then more power to them.  they just better have the software and developer support to back it up.   or the numbers will prove its fate as a great value-priced blu-ray player.

[MrAngryFace]

Sure, it's diverse for the most part.  But it's painfully lacking an offroad racer like Motorstorm, an action hack n' slash like Heavenly Sword (or God of War next year), an adventure game like Uncharted, and a character platformer like Ratchet.  Say what you want, but those are the reasons I own a PS3.  Sony has a very diverse lineup that Microsoft simply seems to ignore.  The PS3 will also get a big shooter fix when Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 hit later this year, and people see what it's like to play great shooters on dedicated servers that you don't have to pay for.

Well of COURSE you wouldn't want to talk about DiRT, a game that is superior on 360. Or you may try to discredit DiRT as 'the same kind of 'thrilling' off-road racing game that motorstorm is, ignoring the fact that it isn't anywhere CLOSE to true off-road racing.

[MrAngryFace]

Sony has to combine hardware sales with the PS2 and PSP to appear competitive. So sad.

Additionally, its not the 360 that will prevent PS3 sales leaps, but the Wii. The 360 is still thriving under the shadow of the Wii, the PS3 is not.

[recursivelyenumerable]

I dunno if PS3 will ever surpass 360 in worldwide sales, but it will at least be competitive.

the OBVIOUS happens? you know how many 'dog' products resurrect themselves ? Not many. And the PS3 is going falling further and further behind. Their plans in Europe and Japan are further scuppered by the undisputed king : the Wii. After over a year of release in Japan, the Ps3 has failed to muster 2 million sales. That's pretty telling.

Wii is capturing a different market and is not really relevant here, look at third-party sales.

[MrAngryFace]

Wii and DS capture DOLLARS and are ENTIRELY relevant here

[AdmiralViscen]

PS3 will probably match 360 when all is said and done, but if it takes 2-3 years to do it (which it will) there will be no incentive for devs to switch to PS3 exclusivity, so who cares? More multiplatform games for 360, yay. Not to mention software sales will never approach 360's attach rate, so it's a moot point by now.

PS3 had to start blowing out 360 within its first 6 moths to a year to get developers to start second-guessing 360 support. We're past that, the competition is irrelevant.

[MrAngryFace]

PSP is actually doing pretty well, I mean its pretty brilliant that Sony, the creator of the machine cannot stop it from being used for AWESOME THINGS *cough CPS2* *cough NeoGeo* *cough PSOne emu*. Honestly they should just scrap ps3 and put all their money into the awesome little machine called PSP.

[MrAngryFace]

HOWEVER, the PS3 might have been the reason Bluray is doing so well, so we need to remember that Sony is a very diverse company and the ps3 might have been the sacrificial lamb so to speak

[DJ_Tet]

I'm getting a Blu Ray Player soon, hopefully it will come down to $300 or I can find a 60 gig.

Owning a X360, the Blu Ray player offers me little value except as an MGS4 player or a Blu Ray player, and as such I can't justify $400 cost for it.

I do hope that the trend of putting  a downloadable copy of the movie or standard def dvd in with each Blu Ray movie catches on, I really think that little step would do a lot to help Blu catch on.

[MrAngryFace]

Blu has caught on!

[recursivelyenumerable]

PS3 will probably match 360 when all is said and done, but if it takes 2-3 years to do it (which it will) there will be no incentive for devs to switch to PS3 exclusivity, so who cares?

If the games are intended primarily for the Japanese market (and I expect that market to become more relevant in the next few years)

[AdmiralViscen]

Can't wait to see the budget for games expected to sell to a market that might manage to hit 6 million people in 4 years.

[DJ_Tet]

Blu has caught on!

Not 'catch on' as in beat hd-dvd, 'catch on' as in being the dominant movie format.

[Tigerriot]

Uncharted - why not call it what it is? Gears in the jungle with some poor Tomb Raider segways to make it an adventure game to avoid comparisons to a better game?

Motorstorm is AWFUL. I'm sure Motorstorm 2 will fix the multitude of problems, but it's not in any state to make anyone jealous.

HS... again... great voice acting and some good characterisation and some interesting cut scene tech (all video of real time engine right to save space), but painfully average game. Died once, too easy, no incentive to go back. 1 player beat em up? eeeek.

You seem to hate every game you talk about.  What's the point of me even replying to this?  The bottom line is those games were generally well recieved by critics and gamers who played them.  

and who is absolving MS here? My opinion on this disgrace is well documented. and it is a disgrace. That doesn't , however, absolve Sony from what they did. They could have solved his case , instead they hid behind a blanket of lies about how rumble wasn't next gen etc. Both companies suck for what they did. Both should be called out.

Yeah, they should be called out for their stupidity about rumble, but to call it disgrace?  Please.  It's a minor page in the history of the system now.  I don't like how they've handled it though.  The 360 problems are what I'd call a real disgrace.  A massive disgrace.

same old story we've heard since 2005... "just you wait! .... any minute now... just around the corner..."

the ps3 will not pass the X360 in world wide sales in 2008 or 2009. Let's say they have 2 full years to catch up.

so - that's 24 months.
... 24 months where the PS3 has to sell 250,000 more each month than the X360 EVERY MONTH to draw level...

not only do you expect them to do this, but you expect them to surpass it?

very very unlikely and calling this "the obvious thing to happen" is the mark of delusion.

the OBVIOUS happens? you know how many 'dog' products resurrect themselves ? Not many. And the PS3 is going falling further and further behind. Their plans in Europe and Japan are further scuppered by the undisputed king : the Wii. After over a year of release in Japan, the Ps3 has failed to muster 2 million sales. That's pretty telling.

This "just you wait" talk you try and date back to 2005 is rather silly.  The PS3 has only been out 14 months now.  Thats all that needs to be said.  The PS3 began closing the sales gap as 2007 wore on.  Of course a lot of people were too wrapped up in the "OMG 360 rockzerz" hysteria to notice, but each month later in the year the percentage the 360 outsold the PS3 got more narrow in North America.  In other words the trend has already begun in 2007 and there is NO reason to think thats gonna change in 2008.  If anything it's bound to accelerate based on the recent Bluray news, and the PS3's lineup in 2008.  By most accounts it's going to destroy the 360 lineup.  Of course you'll tell me thats not true yadayahdayahdad.  Whatever, thats the consensus opinion for a reason.

Just like it's the consensus opinion from every major analyst that the PS3 will overtake the 360 worldwide eventually.  You can laugh that stuff off all you want.  There is a reason for the consensus though.

[MrAngryFace]

HAY HOW BOUT THAT DiRT FOR OFFROAD RACING

DiRT 360 > DiRT PS3 & Motorstorm

[recursivelyenumerable]

Can't wait to see the budget for games expected to sell to a market that might manage to hit 6 million people in 4 years.

I expect it to hit 7 million in 2 years.  We'll see.

[Tigerriot]

Well of COURSE you wouldn't want to talk about DiRT, a game that is superior on 360. Or you may try to discredit DiRT as 'the same kind of 'thrilling' off-road racing game that motorstorm is, ignoring the fact that it isn't anywhere CLOSE to true off-road racing.

Well of course I own it on both systems.  No, I'm not kidding either.

And what do you know the PS3 version has a smoother framerate with less tearing.

you are talking about , ultimately, the percentage that the X360 HAS OUTSOLD the Ps3. Sony are merely narrowing the gap of how much they are getting beat, and they still have to start cutting into the X360's lead. I can't really fathom the logic behind ignoring the "just you wait" sentiment from 2005 - you forget the initial demos? you forget the KILLZONE OMG X360 OWNED!! you forget the "next gen starts when we say it does"?  you forget the 6 months late in the day delay? you forget the hyperbole around Liar, motorstorm, warhawk, home, etc?

It's the same drum being banged each year, the worry is that the good games won't sell.

Yes, I made it clear the 360 is still outselling it, but I pointed out the narrowing as an example of why it isn't so crazy to think the PS3 is gonna catch up eventually, and eventually overtake it.  Again, I was also just talking about North America there.  In the rest of the world we already know the PS3 is outselling the 360 each month.  So again, the only stake the 360 truly has firm is in North America, and the gap is already seen shrinking each month.  I think you got my point, but you're just acting like you didn't. 

Also, when you talk about this "Sony fanboys said this stuff" you take on this attitude of serious anger towards the people that dared to say such things on a message board after an E3 event.  Do you really take this stuff that seriously?  That personally?  My god.  You need to really try and ignore a lot of that crap.  You're trying to recall things said on some message board by some random dude 3 years ago as somehow relevant to a discussion we're having right now. 

When people talk about 2008 being a better year for Sony it's not like there aren't a lot of obvious reasons to think such a thing. 

[MrAngryFace]

Well of COURSE you wouldn't want to talk about DiRT, a game that is superior on 360. Or you may try to discredit DiRT as 'the same kind of 'thrilling' off-road racing game that motorstorm is, ignoring the fact that it isn't anywhere CLOSE to true off-road racing.

Well of course I own it on both systems.  No, I'm not kidding either.

And what do you know the PS3 version has a smoother framerate with less tearing.

you are talking about , ultimately, the percentage that the X360 HAS OUTSOLD the Ps3. Sony are merely narrowing the gap of how much they are getting beat, and they still have to start cutting into the X360's lead. I can't really fathom the logic behind ignoring the "just you wait" sentiment from 2005 - you forget the initial demos? you forget the KILLZONE OMG X360 OWNED!! you forget the "next gen starts when we say it does"?  you forget the 6 months late in the day delay? you forget the hyperbole around Liar, motorstorm, warhawk, home, etc?

It's the same drum being banged each year, the worry is that the good games won't sell.

Yes, I made it clear the 360 is still outselling it, but I pointed out the narrowing as an example of why it isn't so crazy to think the PS3 is gonna catch up eventually, and eventually overtake it.  Again, I was also just talking about North America there.  In the rest of the world we already know the PS3 is outselling the 360 each month.  So again, the only stake the 360 truly has firm is in North America, and the gap is already seen shrinking each month.  I think you got my point, but you're just acting like you didn't. 

Also, when you talk about this "Sony fanboys said this stuff" you take on this attitude of serious anger towards the people that dared to say such things on a message board after an E3 event.  Do you really take this stuff that seriously?  That personally?  My god.  You need to really try and ignore a lot of that crap.  You're trying to recall things said on some message board by some random dude 3 years ago as somehow relevant to a discussion we're having right now. 

When people talk about 2008 being a better year for Sony it's not like there aren't a lot of obvious reasons to think such a thing. 

What do you know?! Tiger knows jack shit bout anything!

[Smooth Groove]

HAY HOW BOUT THAT DiRT FOR OFFROAD RACING

DiRT 360 > DiRT PS3 & Motorstorm

Also, where's the PS3 equivalent of PGR4 and Forza 2?  A one track demo?

Yes, I made it clear the 360 is still outselling it, but I pointed out the narrowing as an example of why it isn't so crazy to think the PS3 is gonna catch up eventually, and eventually overtake it.  Again, I was also just talking about North America there.  In the rest of the world we already know the PS3 is outselling the 360 each month.  So again, the only stake the 360 truly has firm is in North America, and the gap is already seen shrinking each month.  I think you got my point, but you're just acting like you didn't. 

Sony fans just keep using the worldwide angle (using anecdoctal European numbers) because it was evident that the 360 was going to kill the PS3 in NA.  However, worldwide sales mean crap to most publishers.  Because of how demographics and sales work, doing really well in 1 region is far more important than worldwide status.  The Gamecube killed the Xbox worldwide but had worse support because it was a distant 2nd in Japan and a distant 3rd in North America. 

Right now, sales of PS3 games are terrible in both Japan and NA which will only lead to weaker software support, regardless of how it's doing worldwide.   Also, I think you need to take some basic math classes again.  How can the gap be shrinking in NA when the 360 continues to outsell the PS3 each month?

[tiesto]

<b>Game Library</b> = Absolutely nothing on the system interests me in the slightest until MGS4, LBP and the FFXIII games.

<b>Online Game Library</b> = I'm sure I'll end up liking Super Stardust HD a whole lot, seems to be something I'm into, maybe even Everyday Shooter if I can get over the pretentiousness of it. Don't know too much on it. Oh, Little Ralph and Gunners Heaven PSN downloads would be cool, if US systems can get on the JP store.

<b>Online Community/Store</b> = No idea how it is, but I doubt it's anything as comprehensive as XBL.

<b>Controller</b> = Never liked the Dual Shock, and those triggers make it even worse.

<b>The Fans</b> = Fucking horrible, so full of vitriol and false expectations, yet they still call the shots on certain other boards. Yeah, definitely like N64 fans back in the day. Nintendo fans haven't really been as annoying if you stay out of sales age threads and ignore the "Why don't 3rd party developers get Wii?" threads that pop up like daisies. Xbox fans are only really annoying when they dis Japanese gaming because the Japanese have snubbed MS consoles for the most part.

<b>Bluray Playback</b> = Not a big movie watcher, but would be nice to have, especially since Blockbuster rents Blu-Ray now (?). But the next Tiesto in Concert will be available on both DVD and Blu-Ray and that would be fucking awesome to watch in HD 7.1 surround.

[recursivelyenumerable]

the "Why don't 3rd party developers get Wii?" threads that pop up like daisies.

but this stuff is godawful and  tends to infect other threads as well.

[DJ_Tet]

<b>Bluray Playback</b> = Not a big movie watcher, but would be nice to have, especially since Blockbuster rents Blu-Ray now (?). But the next Tiesto in Concert will be available on both DVD and Blu-Ray and that would be fucking awesome to watch in HD 7.1 surround.

You bet your ass, sir.  Concerts in HD are absolutely stunning.  In some ways the NiN one I have is even better than the show I went to.  If you've actually seen the show that is on the Blu/HD-DVD then it probably transcends the experience. 

[Bloodwake]

Games: MGS4 comes out here first. Must buy. Other than that, the library is weak but Uncharted and Ratchet are worth playing, as well as Resistance.

Blu-Ray player: HELL YES, great Blu-Ray player, better than my HD-DVD player

Controller: Dual Shock III. Coming soon. Still, sucks we have to rebuy it.

Online: Improving, but still inferior to Xbox Live. Still, PS3 themes are free, 360 themes arent. PS3 themes and the XMB look cooler as well.

Fans: either like Blu-Rays or are hoping for the good old days of the PS2 to happen again. It probably won't.

[Tigerriot]

Also, where's the PS3 equivalent of PGR4 and Forza 2?  A one track demo?

PS3 doesn't have an equivalent to the PGR series.  Too bad PGR4 sold like shit though, and is the last exclusive developed by Bizarre Creations to grace the 360.  That means if there is a PGR5 it will be a multiplatform game. 

Oh yeah, and get your fucking facts straight before you even bother trying to respond to people in the future.  GT5 Prologue has 10 track variations, with 5 of the enviornments being unique.  Hardly "1 track" as you put it. 

Sony fans just keep using the worldwide angle (using anecdoctal European numbers) because it was evident that the 360 was going to kill the PS3 in NA.  However, worldwide sales mean crap to most publishers.  Because of how demographics and sales work, doing really well in 1 region is far more important than worldwide status.  The Gamecube killed the Xbox worldwide but had worse support because it was a distant 2nd in Japan and a distant 3rd in North America. 

Right now, sales of PS3 games are terrible in both Japan and NA which will only lead to weaker software support, regardless of how it's doing worldwide.   Also, I think you need to take some basic math classes again.  How can the gap be shrinking in NA when the 360 continues to outsell the PS3 each month?

You might be right about the software sales really hurting the PS3 in the long run.  Time will tell.  No doubt the software hasn't been impressive for the most part.

On that last part, you need to check your facts here as well.  I never said the gap was shrinking, but rather the later into 2007 we got, the more the monthly gap narrowed between the 360 and PS3 in North America.  In other words, the PS3 was gaining on it month after month.  If you translate that out into the future, eventually the PS3 will catch it, and possibly overtake it. 

According to most analysts it will overtake it.  Just a matter of when.

[Van Cruncheon]

games: i bought burnout for the ps3 out of pity, because my ps3 library was so tragically small (folklore, dw gundam, and ng sigma, at the time). i am pumped for mlb 08 and disgaea 3. 2008 lineup looks wretched compared to 360 -- do we really need a bunch of sub-360 fps, especially on a system with the worst fps controller?

controller: is loller, although i did order dmc4 for the ps3 because it is one of the RARE few games i prefer using a dual shit with.

online: the ps3 is online?

blu-ray player: rocks.

fans: slowly replacing ntards for the cognitive dissonance crown. you bought this generation's gamecube. get over it and buy a 360 already.

[Beezy]

According to most analysts

Why do you keep saying this as if VG analysts are usually right?

[Van Cruncheon]

the vg analysts also think the wii will eventually bomba. unlike ps3 fans, i don't take this observation as credible no matter how badly i want to believe it.

[AdmiralViscen]

Like Sony fans, "all the analysts" have been pushing the PS3's date of dominance back over and over again for the last 2 years.

[T234]

Also, where's the PS3 equivalent of PGR4 and Forza 2?  A one track demo?

PS3 doesn't have an equivalent to the PGR series.  Too bad PGR4 sold like shit though, and is the last exclusive developed by Bizarre Creations to grace the 360.  That means if there is a PGR5 it will be a multiplatform game. 

Oh yeah, and get your fucking facts straight before you even bother trying to respond to people in the future.  GT5 Prologue has 10 track variations, with 5 of the enviornments beign unique.  Hardly "1 track" as you put it. 

Sony fans just keep using the worldwide angle (using anecdoctal European numbers) because it was evident that the 360 was going to kill the PS3 in NA.  However, worldwide sales mean crap to most publishers.  Because of how demographics and sales work, doing really well in 1 region is far more important than worldwide status.  The Gamecube killed the Xbox worldwide but had worse support because it was a distant 2nd in Japan and a distant 3rd in North America. 

Right now, sales of PS3 games are terrible in both Japan and NA which will only lead to weaker software support, regardless of how it's doing worldwide.   Also, I think you need to take some basic math classes again.  How can the gap be shrinking in NA when the 360 continues to outsell the PS3 each month?

You might be right about the software sales really hurting the PS3 in the long run.  Time will tell.  No doubt the software hasn't been impressive for the most part.

On that last part, you need to check your facts here as well.  I never said the gap was shrinking, but rather the later into 2007 we got, the more the monthly gap narrowed between the 360 and PS3 in North America.  In other words, the PS3 was gaining on it month after month.  If you translate that out into the future, eventually the PS3 will catch it, and possibly overtake it. 

According to most analysts it will overtake it.  Just a matter of when.

GT5 WILL NEVER HOPE TO BE AS GOOD AS PGR. NEVER. Polyphony makes car collecting simulators, not racing games.

[Tigerriot]

According to most analysts

Why do you keep saying this as if VG analysts are usually right?

On long terms estimates, they usually are. 


I guess you're gonna suggest that I should listen to a bunch of Xbots for speculation about the next 3 years of the console warz. 

[Beezy]

No, I'm gonna suggest that you stop bringing up VG analysts in your posts or else no one will take them seriously.

[Van Cruncheon]

who is suggesting you listen to xbots? this isn't a binary evaluation, cretin.

[Tigerriot]

who is suggesting you listen to xbots? this isn't a binary evaluation, cretin.

Well, when they suggest you're a fool for listening to analysts, and they're of course fighting for their system of choice in the process, who the fuck do you think they're suggesting we listen to?  Seriously.


This is all just a waste of time, and I'm fully aware of it.  So it's really pointless to suggest otherwise.  This board is full of pure bred Xbots.  There is no other way to put it.  When people are constantly throwing out bullshit, nonsense statements it's hard to have a serious discussion.

I own both systems, and am generally pretty much down the middle about my allegiance to either one, so when I try and have a discussion with people who are SO one sided, it's just a fucking waste of time.

[Beezy]

Well, when they suggest you're a fool for listening to analysts, and they're of course fighting for their system of choice in the process, who the fuck do you think they're suggesting we listen to?  Seriously.

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not fighting for anything. That was my first post in this thread.

[Van Cruncheon]

when we suggest that you are a fool for listening to analysts, we are saying so because the analysts have been wrong wrong wrong every single fucking time, unless the prediction was a total gimme in the vein of "it's 2005, we predict next year that the ps2 will have sold 40M+ units worldwide"

[Tigerriot]

Well, when they suggest you're a fool for listening to analysts, and they're of course fighting for their system of choice in the process, who the fuck do you think they're suggesting we listen to?  Seriously.

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not fighting for anything. That was my first post in this thread.

My comment wasn't specifically about you.  You were not the first person to question why I mentioned analysts and the PS3.  Of course it does beg the question of you.  Why shouldn't anyone at least gleam some sort of idea from more than a few analysts all predicting the PS3 will eventually catch the 360 worldwide in sales? 

Especially when worldwide sales in the last 6 months have shown a shift towards the PS3, and even in North America the PS3 is selling better than it ever has.

[recursivelyenumerable]

fans: slowly replacing ntards for the cognitive dissonance crown. you bought this generation's gamecube. get over it and buy a 360 already.

I'm a PS3 fan and I haven't bought one (or a PS2 for that matter) and have no plans to ever buy one.  Fans aren't necessarily people who've bought the console.

[T234]

I think Recursive's liking of the PS3 has to do with him actually knowing what the fuck those people are talking about. The technobabble, I mean.

[Van Cruncheon]

you're a massive, massive anomaly, tennin, which i suspect is somehow a compliment to you.

[Van Cruncheon]

I think Recursive's liking of the PS3 has to do with him actually knowing what the fuck those people are talking about. The technobabble, I mean.

no, it has more to do with him hating microsoft, the company who employs only geniuses (tm).