GoldenEye XBLA

[MCD]

the Mario Sunshine hate baffles me to this day.  It was one of the very few top-tier platform games to come out last gen, heck, maybe even the best one.  There were a lot of GCN games that could be safely considered a wash, Mario Sunshine I wouldn't place in that category.

it was fine on it's own but trash when compared to 64.

[Beezy]

Rare sucks. They've only made one good game and that's Viva Pinata.

N64 had Mario 64, OoT, Majora's Mask, Sin and Punishment, and...Mischief Makers. lol Wargods

GC had Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, F-zero GX, and a slew of Dreamcast ports

Mario Sunshine > Mario 64
Wind Waker > OoT

Majora's Mask + OoT> Wind Waker

[MCD]

VP is good but it's not the only good rare game.

DK1+2+ maybe 3 lol, banjo 1 (didn't like 2 much), conker, jet force gemini, PD, goldeneye, kameo and whatever i missed.

[tiesto]

Yeah, I definitely preferred the GC to N64... GC at least had some good RPGs and 3rd party offerings, even if its first party stuff wasn't quite up to snuff. N64 was a third party wasteland, and the best N64 game never came to the states until the VC.

Goldeneye wasn't that great back then (especially since I played a number PC FPSes before), I could imagine it being nigh unplayable today.

I still reckon the worst console I own is Xbox 1.

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THE OTHER CONSOLE YOU OWNED, A SEGA PICO?

I own nearly all of the famous consoles (apart from SEGA CD and PS3), I just didn't really find much to like on Xbox 1 outside of the SEGA games, Halo series, the online-enabled 2D fighters, and a couple of the superior multiplatform titles. I didn't like any of the Xbox 1 RPGs either

[The Sceneman]

ahhh its another one of these N64 vs GC threads

how anyone can argue that N64 beats GC is totally beyond me

Gamecube has some awesome games on it

RE4, Killer 7, Pikmin, REmake, F-Zero GX, Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, Baten Kaitos, BATEN KAITOS ORIGINS, Paper Mario 2

all fucking fantastic

N64 has... F-Zero X, Mischief Makers, Conker..... ummmm.... uhhhhh.... Buck Bumble

GC>>>>>>N64

[TakingBackSunday]

That's a fucking horrible N64 list.  At least mention, you know, the GOOD games.

[Rman]

I think the GC was stronger due to capcom goodness.  I had fun times with local multiplayer on the n64, though. 

[The Sceneman]

That's a fucking horrible N64 list.  At least mention, you know, the GOOD games.

enlighten me as to what these games are bro (and I wont accept Macarena of Time and Majoras Mask, becuase theyre shit)

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

If I had to go back right now and replay the games on the N64 vs the Gamecube, I'd probably side with the GC 'cause the games were definitely more polished and there's a lot more of 'em BUT if I based my decision purely off of nostalgia I'd say the N64 was the better system 'cause I just had a shit ton of fun with that thing.  I was genuinely excited everytime I bought a new game for it...or at least for the first couple of years and seriously, those nights in the dorm drinking beer after beer with all my friends while playing Goldeneye is probably some of the best times I've ever had playing videogames.  I hardly ever touched my GC.

[Himu]

himu and tiesto are just silly rpg whores.

i dont' own any rpgs for gc except skies of arcadia and i already own that on the dc wtf

[Himu]

the Mario Sunshine hate baffles me to this day.  It was one of the very few top-tier platform games to come out last gen, heck, maybe even the best one.  There were a lot of GCN games that could be safely considered a wash, Mario Sunshine I wouldn't place in that category.

The difference is that Mario used to be - without question - the best in platorming.  Sonic kids muddy that up a little bit, but they're full of shit.

Mario64 was the undisputed king of 32/64 bit platforming.  All SMS could muster was becoming "arguably" the best platformer of last gen.

Mario 64 isn't the best platformer of 32/64 bit gaming. Klonoa is better, Abe's Odyssee is better, Rayman 1 and 2 are better. Mario 64 is overrated garbage.

[MrAngryFace]

boobobob nostalgia me retardo like m64 no reason good OMG OMG *thumb goes up butt*

[The Sceneman]

nah MAfs post was more on point

[Himu]

That game has some of the most boring level design in a highly praised game I've ever seen. Then again I played the like 8 years after it came out.

[MCD]

That game has some of the most boring level design in a highly praised game I've ever seen. Then again I played the like 8 years after it came out.

Mario 64 level variety is enough to kill sunshine. 

[Oblivion]

nah MAfs post was more on point

The nostalgia argument only works when the system you're arguing against DOESN'T have better games than the one you're supporting.

[Himu]

What level variety? GO GET THIS COIN! Level is so small it will take 2-3 minutes to complete. Rinse repeat.

Sunshine has brushing a giant eel's teeth, and amputating a giant squid. 64's level variety sucks. You essentially do the same thing every level and the level designs suck balls aside from like the last 3-4 levels (clock level, giant mountain level, flying carpet level)

mario 64 ruined platformers forever. go get this, go get that zzz

[MCD]

i was talking about the different "look" of the levels, not the missions themselves.

[MCD]

sunshine's gameplay? sure about that?

fludd was like the only power you had and cleaning levels sure doesn't get boring!

[Himu]

i was talking about the different "look" of the levels, not the missions themselves.

I don't understand why nintendo fans always bring this excuse up. Every single mario ever has the sand level, the ice level, the water level, the fire level, the sky level. What is wrong with variety? Oh wait, nintendo fans want the same game over and over.

[Eel O'Brian]

they all have asperger's and are proud of it

[Himu]

Sunshine was a fantastic game...but that being so doesn't mean Mario 64 is garbage.

Mario 64 isn't garbage, but I don't think it's all that either. I just trash it this much because I always get weird looks and CRIES OF BLASPHEMY when i say i think Sunshine > 64.

[Oblivion]

i was talking about the different "look" of the levels, not the missions themselves.

I don't understand why nintendo fans always bring this excuse up. Every single mario ever has the sand level, the ice level, the water level, the fire level, the sky level. What is wrong with variety? Oh wait, nintendo fans want the same game over and over.

Wait, what?

[MCD]

himu, you will never learn.

[Himu]

i was talking about the different "look" of the levels, not the missions themselves.

I don't understand why nintendo fans always bring this excuse up. Every single mario ever has the sand level, the ice level, the water level, the fire level, the sky level. What is wrong with variety? Oh wait, nintendo fans want the same game over and over.

Wait, what?

you heard me

[Oblivion]

i was talking about the different "look" of the levels, not the missions themselves.

I don't understand why nintendo fans always bring this excuse up. Every single mario ever has the sand level, the ice level, the water level, the fire level, the sky level. What is wrong with variety? Oh wait, nintendo fans want the same game over and over.

Wait, what?

you heard me

Yes, but I didn't understand.

It sounds like you're implying that Sunshine had a variety of levels, but then you're criticizing for wanting the same thing over and over...which is what it seems like you implied Sunshine was doing. *boggle*

[Himu]

it had variety in the things you do in the levels; gameplay variety. However, the levels all shared a common thing. You misunderstood me, when I said variety, I mean what's wrong with having a mario that isnt' the same formula we've had for the past 2 decades

[brawndolicious]

N64 > GC
AIDYN CHRONICLES: THE FIRST MAGE > TALES OF SYMPHONIA ANIMU GARBAGE
SM64 > SMS
OCARINA > WIND WAKER
NO METROID > METROID PRIME

Windwaker was far funner (not as "innovative" though) than OoT.  I played OoT after finishing windwaker and while it's still playable, it's nowhere near as well designed.  And Metroid Prime is my favorite game ever so I'll leave it at that.
GC was worse than N64 though.

VP is good but it's not the only good rare game.
DK1+2+ maybe 3 lol, banjo 1 (didn't like 2 much), conker, jet force gemini, PD, goldeneye, kameo and whatever i missed.

DK was apparently just a tech demo.  miyamoto actually said it proved that western gamers were willing to play a mediocre collectathon if it looked pretty.  I loved it back when I played it but I'm sure I'd hate it today.

[MCD]

he said that? what a dick.

because your games ain't the same AMIRITE?

[Himu]

DK was apparently just a tech demo.  miyamoto actually said it proved that western gamers were willing to play a mediocre collectathon if it looked pretty.  I loved it back when I played it but I'm sure I'd hate it today.

haha another strike against miyamoto

[brawndolicious]

he's not being a dick, he's kind of being honest.  the game was fun but it got a huge amount of sales due to it's graphics.

[MCD]

only the graphics? come on.

the music alone shits on everything mario related, OH YES I WENT THERE.

fuck it, i am with himu.

[brawndolicious]

He was only talking about DK country though.  That wasn't nearly as popular as miyamoto's original barrel jumping or whatever game.  It's easy to understand why he was upset that the main thing being hyped about a sequel/spinoff of his game was it's graphics.

[Oblivion]

Yeah, it was one of the few instances where I've heard about Miyamoto being pissed off at anyone. It makes it worse considering it was from an ally too.

it had variety in the things you do in the levels; gameplay variety. However, the levels all shared a common thing. You misunderstood me, when I said variety, I mean what's wrong with having a mario that isnt' the same formula we've had for the past 2 decades

The problem with that is that what Sunshine did differently wasn't exactly a breath of fresh air. It took an environment that we've seen in one form or another in Mario games, and platformers in general, and just focused on that. So you have one continuously repetitive gimmick instead of a bunch of them.

Windwaker was far funner (not as "innovative" though) than OoT.  I played OoT after finishing windwaker and while it's still playable, it's nowhere near as well designed.

Erm...

[MCD]

lol.

i'm not mad, shit is old to talk about anyway.

both Nintendo and Rare deserve credit for making the best platformers of our time.

the golden days, now we are stuck with ummm...ratshit and jax? whatever.

[CurseoftheGods]

I loved Rare's 3D platformers (except DK64), but the Donkey Kong Country series is absolute shit. They've aged horribly, and I can't imagine getting any enjoyment out of them without the influence of nostalgia. I bought DKC2 on VC the other day, and I couldn't believe that I actually liked the game back in the day.

[drew]

Mario 64 isn't garbage, but I don't think it's all that either. I just trash it this much because I always get weird looks and CRIES OF BLASPHEMY when i say i think Sunshine > 64.

Let me guess, you didn't play mario 64 back in the day did you? 

[Joe Molotov]

Sunshine was a fantastic game...but that being so doesn't mean Mario 64 is garbage.

Mario 64 isn't garbage, but I don't think it's all that either. I just trash it this much because I always get weird looks and CRIES OF BLASPHEMY when i say i think Sunshine > 64.

Well, it is pretty crazy.

[Van Cruncheon]

the n64 is trash. none of its games are playable in this day and age 'cept maybe ogre battle 64. at least the ps2 had a good smattering of 2d and 2d/3d hybrid games to preserve a little of its legacy. the gamecube shouldn't even acknowledge the n64 -- the n64 is possibly lower than the 3do on the ol' "has games playable in 2007" scale.

[Himu]

Mario 64 isn't garbage, but I don't think it's all that either. I just trash it this much because I always get weird looks and CRIES OF BLASPHEMY when i say i think Sunshine > 64.

Let me guess, you didn't play mario 64 back in the day did you? 

No

[Flannel Boy]

Judged based on the time the games were released, the N64 had better games than the GameCube. However 99% of the N64’s library is totally unplayable today. Even a game like Goldeneye, which I loved ten years ago, is unplayable.

[Raban]

Any more news on this? Has the whole screenshot been released?

[y2kev]

ya, twas released on xcox 360 woild

[CajoleJuice]

Judged based on the time the games were released, the N64 had better games than the GameCube. However 99% of the N64’s library is totally unplayable today. Even a game like Goldeneye, which I loved ten years ago, is unplayable.

Yea, really.

[FatalT]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=183098&site=xbw

[Joe Molotov]

Oh shhiiiii...I changed my mind, I'm getting it now. Those mountains...

[CurseoftheGods]

I'm pretty sure it isn't coming out.

Yeah, it would be a licensing nightmare. I don't think Microsoft will see it as being worth the trouble.

[Joe Molotov]

I'm pretty sure it isn't coming out.

Dreams...crushed. 

At first when I saw the image, I thought it meant Goldeneye XBLA was going on sale February 27th. 

[brawndolicious]

this just shit on my childhood.  it looks just weird now.  at least the old game had the 3D character with horrible faces and whatnot so it was funny.  this is just weird.

[The Fake Shemp]

Dude, you're insane.  I really do wonder if like, you have a special nurse that assists you or something.

[etiolate]

overrated trash? It's got some of the greatest level design out there.

[GilloD]

It looks like a Flash shooter. I hate those "Enhanced" XBLA games, they just look strange. But I would have loved to have ha dthis, if only to continune my reign of PROXIMITY MINE TERROR

[Beezy]

It looks like a Flash shooter. I hate those "Enhanced" XBLA games, they just look strange. But I would have loved to have ha dthis, if only to continune my reign of PROXIMITY MINE TERROR

I always stacked proximity mines on top of each other like I'm stacking legos.

[Joe Molotov]

If it does come out, it better still have the glitch were you could proxy mine an ammo box, then pick it up to make the mine invisible.

[Solo]

overrated trash? It's got some of the greatest level design out there.

Agreed.

[brawndolicious]

Dude, you're insane.  I really do wonder if like, you have a special nurse that assists you or something.

Well why make an update to the game if the graphics still look sub-dreamcast?  I mean, fucking spot shadows?  it probably still runs at 30 fps.

[MCD]

as long as the the graphics don't hurt the eyes then it's an update to me, considering 99% of N64 games are harmful to the human eyes now i say it's good.

[TVC15]

I think Goldeneye's important contributions to gaming are the great animation (for the time--no idea how it holds up today), it being one of the first games to introduce a fun skeletal damage model, and implementing fun mission objectives, which still wasn't very common at the time.  Outside of Facility in SP, the only levels I can recall are MP, making me think that level design wasn't better or worse than other FPSes at the time.

[CurseoftheGods]

Dude, you're insane.  I really do wonder if like, you have a special nurse that assists you or something.

Well why make an update to the game if the graphics still look sub-dreamcast?  I mean, fucking spot shadows?  it probably still runs at 30 fps.

It runs at 60 supposedly. Look at the top left corner of the screenshot.

[AdmiralViscen]

Even if it did run at 30fps that'd be a massive improvement over the original.