The BD camp victory boosts PS3 sales in Japan... nt rly

[dcharlie]

so, ps3 has went -down- to 17.6k in japan, a drop from it's 25k or so usual average.

As much as i love pee'ing on Sony's chips, I am baffled by the PS3's performance in Japan.
It's STILL a Sony machine and the price now is more than reasonable for Japanese wallets.

But people just don't seem to care about it, Bluray or the games.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

at least with Wii they only don't care about the games

although I think the Wii bubble has started to burst in Japan, yeah?

[Rman]

Man, Dcharlie, did Sony steal one of your old girlfriends or something?

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[Mr. Gundam]

But people just don't seem to care about it, Bluray or the games.

The PS3 needs more Japan-centric games. Devil May Cry 4 was a good start for 2008, but Microsoft is kicking Sony's ass in terms of securing titles (ie. Namco and Capcom).

[Mr. Gundam]

Devil May Cry 4 showed that a quality Japanese developed title WILL sell on the PS3 in Japan, yet Sony is just all like "ho hum, we don't need big third party support," while Microsoft is snapping it up.

I know it won't happen, but I'd be really interested in seeing if IdolMaster would do better on the PS3 in Japan than it does the 360.

Hey Sony, get your thumb out of your ass and do something, unless you really don't care anymore and want to fail.

I don't know why I even bothered responding over at GAF, my fellow PS3 owners over there are too blinded by who the fuck nows what to be reasoned with.

[Rman]

I agree, distant, the japanese games are what drew me to the playstation platform.  Their portfolio strategy this gen seems to imitate xbox.  Resistance 1 and 2, killzone, warhawk, and the like.  Where are the quirky games that got me on the playstation bandwagon?  I guess the wii and ds are getting them.

[Mr. Gundam]

The Japanese games market is entering it's "PSP phase" of the year.
This is where PSP owns the market for several weeks before and after a new Monster Hunter Portable is released. I full expect to see PS3 jump back up to 25-30k, possibly higher now that BD has won, after MH fever has subsided.

So the PS3 has Valkyrie of the Battlefield, Ryu ga Gotoku Kenzan and MGS4 coming to Japan... and then what? White Knight Chronicles still doesn't have a release date, and the Trusty Bell port could do well, but I don't see it tearing up the charts. GET SOME FUCKING TITLES THAT INTEREST JAPANESE GAMERS.

I agree, distant, the japanese games are what drew me to the playstation platform.  Their portfolio strategy this gen seems to imitate xbox.  Resistance 1 and 2, killzone, warhawk, and the like.  Where are the quirky games that got me on the playstation bandwagon?  I guess the wii and ds are getting them.

I bought my PS3 for two primary reasons:

1. Final Fantasy XIII
2. Being able to import Japanese titles due to the PS3 being region free.

So far, I've imported one game, Gundam Musou. ONE FUCKING GAME. What's the deal, bitch?!? Where's the announcement for a new Super Robot Wars? What about the long rumored Shin Megami Tensei 4? GET OFF YOUR STUPID ASSES AND GET BACK IN THE GAME.

[Rman]

Yeah, I'm not hyped for any of the western ps3 exclusives.  I did love Uncharted, though.  I have to try Ratchet as well. 

[The Sceneman]

Sony have always been arrogant and never actually gave a shit about about gaming and never will. They got lucky, really lucky with marketing the PS1 to new demographics (ie. ravers with WipEout's dance soundtrack) 'cool' people who wouldnt game normally. The PS2 was dogshit for the 1st few years software wise, but it still managed to ride the crest of the popularity of the Playstation brand, and the console was very of-its-time design wise and was generally regarded as very slick looking.

Fast forward to 2006, youve got a George Forman Grill with Spiderman font, sorry Sony but that shit doesnt sell

As I said before Sony never gave a shit about videogames and were much more concerned with branding, image and marketing etc. Im glad to see their gaming division take huge losses, those fucks deserve every bit of what they are expriencing now

[Mr. Gundam]

Yeah, I'm not hyped for any of the western ps3 exclusives.  I did love Uncharted, though.  I have to try Ratchet as well. 

Resistance was fun, I'm actually looking forward to the sequel. But other than that, I'm with you.

Ratchet on the PS3 is a good game, give it a rent.

[Mr. Gundam]

The PS2 was dogshit for the 1st few years software wise,

The PS2 had Final Fantasy X, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid 2, Virtua Fighter 4, Ico, etc. very early on.

[Rman]

I don't think that's true, Scenester.  While I did abhor Phil Harrison's strategy of stomping out 2-d titles for the platform, Sony did a lot of good things to gaming in general.  

[y2kev]

Some Japanese companies are still stupid. Namco's moneyhat for Vesperia must be big, because it's not like Tales hasn't been an absolute bomba outside of Japan (and it's entering into bomba territory in Japan even). AC6 didn't chart either, nor did Eternal Sonata. And RR6 (and 7) bomba'd too.

Sony doesn't have anywhere near enough Japanese games though.

MH3 on wii is funny because of why Capcom justified it: WE'RE CHEAP LOLZ

[Mr. Gundam]

Some Japanese companies are still stupid. Namco's moneyhat for Vesperia must be big, because it's not like Tales hasn't been an absolute bomba outside of Japan (and it's entering into bomba territory in Japan even). AC6 didn't chart either, nor did Eternal Sonata. And RR6 (and 7) bomba'd too.

Exactly, I'd love to see how AC6, Trusty Bell and Idol Master would've done on the PS3 if they were released simultaneously with the 360.

[Mr. Gundam]

Expect a LOT of PS3 titles from this point on.

I really want to believe you, I do. But, I'll believe it when I see it.

[pilonv1]

I do find it interesting that in Japan the success of the Wii has helped the PS2/PSP in a way. While Western publishers seem to be more apt to release 360/PS3 titles, PSP/Wii or PS2/Wii seems to be the combo of choice in Japan.

[Powerslave]

Sony have always been arrogant and never actually gave a shit about about gaming and never will. They got lucky, really lucky with marketing the PS1 to new demographics (ie. ravers with WipEout's dance soundtrack) 'cool' people who wouldnt game normally. The PS2 was dogshit for the 1st few years software wise, but it still managed to ride the crest of the popularity of the Playstation brand, and the console was very of-its-time design wise and was generally regarded as very slick looking.

As I said before Sony never gave a shit about videogames and were much more concerned with branding, image and marketing etc. Im glad to see their gaming division take huge losses, those fucks deserve every bit of what they are expriencing now

Oh wow hahaha. As opposed to Microsoft entering the console industry in attempt to monopolize yet another scene? It's funny that you say that Sony never cared about games, while we got a ton of SHITgames on the original and the 360 Xbox. Wow yet another shooter/action/sports game 
Microsoft doesn't give two shits about gamers AND games. They make shitty hardware, forcing people to replace their units. Make people pay for obnoxious bullshit like playing online, getting themes/icons/avatars, and microtransactions. Microsoft is in it only for the money. They are the ones that never gave a shit about anything other than money and "winning". Rushing to release a broken console just to have a early start on the console war.

[Mr. Gundam]

Sony have always been arrogant and never actually gave a shit about about gaming and never will. They got lucky, really lucky with marketing the PS1 to new demographics (ie. ravers with WipEout's dance soundtrack) 'cool' people who wouldnt game normally. The PS2 was dogshit for the 1st few years software wise, but it still managed to ride the crest of the popularity of the Playstation brand, and the console was very of-its-time design wise and was generally regarded as very slick looking.

As I said before Sony never gave a shit about videogames and were much more concerned with branding, image and marketing etc. Im glad to see their gaming division take huge losses, those fucks deserve every bit of what they are expriencing now

Oh wow hahaha. As opposed to Microsoft entering the console industry in attempt to monopolize yet another scene? It's funny that you say that Sony never cared about games, while we got a ton of SHITgames on the original and the 360 Xbox. Wow yet another shooter/action/sports game 
Microsoft doesn't give two shits about gamers AND games. They make shitty hardware, forcing people to replace their units. Make people pay for obnoxious bullshit like playing online, getting themes/icons/avatars, and microtransactions. Microsoft is in it only for the money. They are the ones that never gave a shit about anything other than money and "winning". Rushing to release a broken console just to have a early start on the console war.

You just said what I wanted to say, but never did in fear of being mocked.

Microsoft has made a lot of utterly fantastic business moves this generation (like doing whatever is necessary to get GAMES on their system), they really have, but they're not some innocent corporation out to ensure our happiness.

[y2kev]

To Scenester: Yeah, I don't buy that at all. Sony's been a benevolent dictator in their pre-PS3 era. Lowered the price of gaming, moved technology forward (especially on the handheld front), poured a ton of money into their own artsy fartsy games, supported developers, etc.

They just....lost it. And that's what's disappointing to me as a "Sony fan."

Microsoft is doing a lot of what Sony did without a lot of the soul. I'm waiting for Microsoft's Team ICO production. I don't think 360 is the "shooter box," but I'm waiting for the Microsoft-funded experience that EB hates and is crowned king Japafaggame.

That said, I play more games on 360 than PS3 and I think the 360 is a better console.

IMO Microsoft is in it ultimately to stop Sony from controlling the living room. With Nintendo dominating now, I don't know if they care as much. Nintendo doesn't have those sorts of ambitions.

[The Sceneman]

Kev: Lost Odyssey

[y2kev]

And for the record, I'm not necessarily happy with Nintendo stealing away third party games when the Wii is so underpowered. It's nice that the West doesn't give a shit and most of the games I care about were already pledged for the HD consoles before the Wii came out.

I'm all for the Wii and I don't mind what it represents, but Nintendo made a huge trade off that I am not happy making. You can't go from DMC4's appearance to NMH...I just can't.

Scenester: Nah. LO is great, but it's not really the same. Blue Dragon is more Japagay than LO anyway. Nothing against LO, but it's obvious what MS wanted when they want to Gooch and gave him 40 mil. It's not the same.

[Powerslave]

You just said what I wanted to say, but never did in fear of being mocked.

Just say it dude. Fear of being mocked? Fuck it. The xfaggotry here can be really disgusting at times. I mean I'm not even that much into the console wars anymore since I don't game a lot lately, but from my observation 360 fanboys really are the worst since they hold dearly to a company that has really not done anything that significant other than establishing a solid console online experience. For the rest, there is more damage than good. How many Xbox games can be called classics? 4 maybe? It seems 360 is going the exact same way. Yeah it got Halo (yawn) and a bunch of other shooters, and it will get a couple of excellent games like Alan Wake and AC, but when the 360s run is over, it will be yet another PC-console.

[y2kev]

I don't know about that either. Microsoft's support of the 360 has been largely stellar.

It's just...kinda missing those niche titles the PS2 had. It has a lot of them, but the market is so divided this time around.

[Mr. Gundam]

I don't know about that either. Microsoft's support of the 360 has been largely stellar.

Microsoft has done a brilliant job with the 360. Sony has royally fucked themselves with the PS3 to this point.

[y2kev]

Truth be told I prefer the xfaggotry here than at GAF where people are obvious xfags but pretend to be impartial.

[Powerslave]

I think it's pretty well documented that the reason they are in the console industry has nothing to do with making a profit directly from the industry , but more to do with stopping Sony getting a foothold in the households as the default 'network' device.

Yeah this is true. Just like the case with their support for HD-DVD. Just so Sony doesn't win with Blu-Ray. I'm glad they lost that battle (lol what battle). It seems Microsoft puts more time into attacking the opponent blindly rather than building up a strong base itself. I already mentioned how they rushed the 360, turning it into the biggest console breaking disaster ever, and asking money for meaningless things while they are one of the richest companies in the world. They are truly disgusting.
It's obvious ALL companies are in it for the money, but Sony's input on the PS1 and PS2 was phenomenal. They delivered great games, helped smaller game developers to achieve success and gave birth to a lot of genres.

[y2kev]

Truth be told I prefer the xfaggotry here than at GAF where people are obvious xfags but pretend to be impartial.

... you put me on ignore ?  :'(  :'(   :'(

i'd never put you on ignore

[Powerslave]

About the "Sony fucked up with the PS3"..... The only thing they fucked up with was te launchprice. 600 dollars really is unforgiveable. But look at how amazing the PS3 is as a hardware. Look at all the things you can do with it, the features it has and the constant firmware updates it gets. Game library is awful right now but its a fact that it will change this year.

All in all, I never understood why people keep saying about how disappointed they are in the ps3. What the fuck? The console is just out for only a year, and sales have been pretty good. You cant expect the tier 1 games to pop out within just 1 year. This wasn't the case with the PS1, nor the PS2.

[y2kev]

Yeah, it's had problems, but nothing more serious than "it may at any time explode" imo.

The problem is Sony launched a year later. They don't get the 1 year grace period.

[Powerslave]

and the BC (which didn't work properly for months)
and scaling/res issue
and the rumble farce
and the Bluetooth drops

Red Ring Of Death



The things you listed are all minor things, save for the bluetooth drops. And Sony is already busy fixing, or has fixed the remainders.

Also another thing, why don't you respond to the things I listed that were wrong about Microsoft? About rushing the console and bringing out a turd of a machine, asking money for their entire Live section, etc.?
How do you justify all that by saying the PS3 has issues with it's high price (already dropped 200 dollars in 1 year, and seeing as how solid the machine is, entirely worth it's price actually) and it's absence of a rumbe feature? lmao

[y2kev]

I really don't think it's fair to compare the RROD with the problems sony faced with the PS2...I don't think they were nearly as widespread...and I don't really believe they were caused by cheapness in manufacturing as opposed to a manufacturing defect.

[Mr. Gundam]

Aside from the big guys over at Capcom, Konami, SE, and Namco, Japanese developers seem afraid to move into the HD realm and away from their PS2 security blanket. And with the Wii being not all that different, I wonder if they'll ever move on?

[y2kev]

JAPAS such at HD anyway. Tecmo should be ashamed given what they did on Xbox, Namco has been embarrassing with the exception of AC6, sucks too. Konami sucks major ass.

Capcom or bust.

[AdmiralViscen]

The PS2 was dogshit for the 1st few years software wise,

The PS2 had Final Fantasy X, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid 2, Virtua Fighter 4, Ico, etc. very early on.

Onimusha, TMB, Maximo, SSX, and way way more.

[Mr. Gundam]

The PS2 was dogshit for the 1st few years software wise,

The PS2 had Final Fantasy X, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid 2, Virtua Fighter 4, Ico, etc. very early on.

Onimusha, TMB, Maximo, SSX, and way way more.

I knew I was forgetting a ton of stuff, thanks. No one can make up the BS excuse that the PS2 was in a similar situation software wise at this point in it's lifespan.

Don't forget about Grand Theft Auto III, that came out in the Fall of 2001.

[y2kev]

Games take longer to make now too.

[AdmiralViscen]

About the "Sony fucked up with the PS3"..... The only thing they fucked up with was te launchprice. 600 dollars really is unforgiveable. But look at how amazing the PS3 is as a hardware. Look at all the things you can do with it, the features it has and the constant firmware updates it gets. Game library is awful right now but its a fact that it will change this year.

All in all, I never understood why people keep saying about how disappointed they are in the ps3. What the fuck? The console is just out for only a year, and sales have been pretty good. You cant expect the tier 1 games to pop out within just 1 year. This wasn't the case with the PS1, nor the PS2.

It sure as fuck was with PS2.

Final Fantasy X
Devil May Cry
Metal Gear Solid 2
Zone of the Enders
Red Faction
Gran Turismo 3
Silent Hill 2
THPS3
Jak and Daxter
Ico
Onimusha
TMB
SSX Tricky
GTA3
Ace Combat 4
Ape Escape 2
Armored Core 2
Burnout
TimeSplitters
Rayman 2
ATV Offroad Fury
Guilty Gear X
Time Crisis 2
Max Payne
Tekken Tag Tournament
SSX



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_in_video_gaming

wtf someone deleted the dates in that article at some point, I used to use it when people tried to trash PS2's first year.

Ah:
http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

[Rman]

Capcom

[Powerslave]

re: the Sony price drop - the price drop seems to have been a reaction to poor sales. I can guarantee you right now that if people had bought the machine at 600, then you would have seen a lesser need to drop the price.

Well as I said, their pricing was unforgiveable so there is not much to say about that. But it still sold a lot despite of it. A 150-200 dollar price really is much though for one year.

It sure as fuck was with PS2.

*snip

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_in_video_gaming

wtf someone deleted the dates in that article at some point, I used to use it when people tried to trash PS2's first year.

Ah:
http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

I didn't know all those games came out in ps2's first year.
Btw, what exactly is the problem with not having toptitles in year 1? How is that a reason to downtalk a console. I mean really, what the fuck did the 360 have in it's first year?

Like said before, games take a longer time to make now. And developers have been holding back producing and releasing their games to see how console sales progress. Now how is Sony to blame for this?
Almost all the reasons why people bash the PS3 are piss-poor. It all boils down to personal dislike in the company, and not really their actions. As opposed to what shitmicrosoft has been doing all this while.

[pilonv1]

360 had Chrome Hounds, Saints Row & Dead Rising from May-Sept 06 and Oblivion and GRAW in Feb-March. Good times.

[Powerslave]

Those are all average or horrible games.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Those are all average or horrible games.

Chromehounds, Dead Rising, and Saints Row average or horrible?  Get the fuck outta here with that noise.  Put those on the PS3 and those would be the next best games on the system outside of Uncharted.

[Powerslave]

They are not top titles. And that's what we're talking about. Well, they can be considered top titles for the 360 I guess, rofl.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Well, imo they ARE top titles.  Chromehounds is probably the best mech game since Mechwarrior 2, Saints Row basically beat GTA at its own game, and Dead Rising is the best new franchise that's come out of Capcom in years.  Great fucking games, all of 'em and all exponentially better than anything that came out during PS3's first year.....outside of Uncharted that is.

[pilonv1]

Those are 5 awesome games, and better than anything not named Uncharted or Warhawk on PS3. Oblivion, GRAW and Dead Rising are three of the best games on 360 still to this day.

Saints Row only gets hate by GTA fanboys since it has significant gameplay improvements despite it's "me too" appearance.

Chrome Hounds was unfarily victimised because it's single player demo was terrible and showed you nothing of the online awesomeness. Anyone who fought the giant train thing knows how great it was.

[Mr. Gundam]

chromehounds is one of the most overlooked games to date - it's brilliant.

I'm hoping a follow up is in the pipeline.

I have no problem with another Chromehounds, but I don't want it get in the way of From Software making a fourth Another Century's Episode game (I know they said #3 was the last one, but that doesn't mean much).

[pilonv1]

If those games are average or horrible I would love to see some GOOD games.

[Rman]

 

[pilonv1]

If those games are average or horrible I would love to see some GOOD games.

Heavenly Sword, LAIR, fl0w, Motorstorm, Folk's Soul.

Is Untold Legends in that group too?

[recursivelyenumerable]

I bought my PS3 for two primary reasons:

1. Final Fantasy XIII
2. Being able to import Japanese titles due to the PS3 being region free.

so, uh, why didn't you just wait until FF13 was available and save a couple hundred bucks?

[Powerslave]

If those games are average or horrible I would love to see some GOOD games.

Heavenly Sword, LAIR, fl0w, Motorstorm, Folk's Soul.

I didn't say the PS3 has good games right now, did I? This year though....

[AdmiralViscen]

Those are all average or horrible games.

Are you distinguished mentally-challenged?

:btw 360's 2007 > PS3's 2008 if we're comparing it by launch date instead of what's actually on shelves. And 360 2008 >= PS3 2008 as far as I'm concerned.

[Smooth Groove]

If those games are average or horrible I would love to see some GOOD games.

Heavenly Sword, LAIR, fl0w, Motorstorm, Folk's Soul.

I'm like an anti-Sony superhero but I wouldn't call HS or Motorstorm horrible.  Of course, they failed to live up to the AAA statuses conferred upon them by the SDF but they were at least decent games that were worth a try.   Everyone who's not Abrader should stay away from Lair though.  

[y2kev]

Lair is SO BAD OMG

[Powerslave]

Those are all average or horrible games.

Are you distinguished mentally-challenged?

:btw 360's 2007 > PS3's 2008 if we're comparing it by launch date instead of what's actually on shelves. And 360 2008 >= PS3 2008 as far as I'm concerned.

wait, you like the 360 better than the ps3? That's really news to me

[AdmiralViscen]

Those are all average or horrible games.

Are you distinguished mentally-challenged?

:btw 360's 2007 > PS3's 2008 if we're comparing it by launch date instead of what's actually on shelves. And 360 2008 >= PS3 2008 as far as I'm concerned.

wait, you like the 360 better than the ps3? That's really news to me

I wish my posts in this topic could be super creative like yours.

At least I'm not making dumbass comments about PS2 and 360's lineups amirite

[Powerslave]

At least Im not resorting to personal attacks like xfags like you do.

[AdmiralViscen]

At least Im not resorting to personal attacks like xfags like you do.

Yes, Xfags always jerk off over PS2's first year library 

Calling a remark stupid isn't a personal attack.


Oh wait, "are you distinguished mentally-challenged." Thin skin dude.

[Powerslave]

It's just that the 360's library of games never appealed to me. It's filled with shit you can find on the PC. The reason I like console gaming is that it isn't like PC gaming. And the xbox tries to steer away as much as possible from that.

[AdmiralViscen]

It's just that the 360's library of games never appealed to me. It's filled with shit you can find on the PC. The reason I like console gaming is that it isn't like PC gaming. And the xbox tries to steer away as much as possible from that.

OK, to you.

Dead Rising, Chromehounds, Saints Row aren't on PC. Banjo, NG2, LO, Crackdown, on and on.

Personally I don't upgrade my PC and I like not having to wait 6-18 months to play the latest games.

The current PS3 lineup has a higher percentage of PC/multiplat games than 360's does, so I don't get your defense.


Anyway, don't be so grumpy. And don't try to paint me as closed-minded when I have more access to this gen's games than you do, if you're keeping 360 out of your house.