Author Topic: jonathan blow would rather have a centrino than cell in the ps3 (Read 11076 times)

TVC15 · « **Reply #60 on:** August 17, 2008, 07:15:53 PM »

I just have a thing about escort missions. I suspect it stems from escort missions always being shitty brick walls that would kill my motivation to finish PC space shooter games. Wow, does that genre even exist these days?

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #61 on:** August 17, 2008, 08:01:37 PM »

Quote from: drohne on August 17, 2008, 06:20:21 PM

ico is lean as an olympic swimmer and kind of a masterpiece on its own modest terms -- you folks must hate it for political reasons, for the people who like it and the games it's grouped with, because the thing itself is just about irreproachable. sotc i can never bring myself to play for more than an hour or so

i just got tired of whacking shadows in between lightweight environmental puzzle solving

and like tvc said, i was never a big fan of ico from day one.

JustinP · « **Reply #62 on:** August 17, 2008, 08:37:34 PM »

Quote from: dcharlie on August 17, 2008, 08:25:23 PM

I thought Ico was interesting artistically and the general experience side was good whilst the game play was little more than a watered down Tomb Raider with some awful combat. The guiding Yorda mechanic had a nice feel to it, but i'm not sure what it really added to the game.

the "this is Zelda for adults/playstation" clucking was a bit weird given the obvious similarities to Tomb Raider.

Anyways, didn't think it was bad per se. Just one of those "experience" games i guess. I thought SotC as a -game- was much much better.

Ico gameplay was a watered down... Tomb Raider? is this just the new playstation troll? that "Game_X is just tomb raider"? how is ico a watered down tomb raider any more than basically every other 3D action game/shooter?

Hitler Stole My Potato · « **Reply #63 on:** August 17, 2008, 08:49:19 PM »

I always liked Ico more than SOTC. Infact it took a second play through of SOTC for me to actually enjoy the thing but after it that the game has really clicked with me (baring the distinguished mentally-challenged colossus battles where you have to ride the horse).

I don't get EB's hatred for Ico. The game just seemed so...perfect. Even though I know how every puzzle works, I'll still play it every now and then just to run through the incredibly beautiful environment and it's short enough that I can finish it in one sitting, so that's a plus for me. Love the story too. As distinguished mentally-challenged as just about every videogame story is (MGS, I'm looking at you), Ico is one the handful that does it absolutely brilliantly and with hardly any dialogue to boot. Of course that may be a big reason why I think it's so good.

cool breeze · « **Reply #64 on:** August 17, 2008, 08:49:24 PM »

Ico is a lot like Tomb Raider, but that isn't an insult or anything considering Tomb Raider laid the groundwork for every 3D semi-realistic platformer. Prince of Persia also owes it dues to Tomb Raider.

I will also say that despite the simple combat of Ico, it still is much better than what Tomb Raider had. Tomb Raider games always had bad shooting mechanics. This is kind of why I didn't like Legend as much as Anniversary; there was too much shooting required, which sucked considering the actual mechanic was boring.

And while I did enjoy Ico, it still was one of the first games where I fell asleep while I was playing it.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #65 on:** August 17, 2008, 08:52:51 PM »

Quote from: JustinP on August 17, 2008, 06:39:38 PM

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on August 17, 2008, 06:31:32 PM
um...are you serious?
in first person games, you're always controlling the camera--your view. if you don't "babysit" your view, you can't even play the game. third person games with camera control don't typically require precise control of the camera, but the general concept is the same -- you point the camera in the direction you want to look... just like in FPS games.

why do you think going into third person suddenly means you don't have to look where you're going?

haha what? babysit the camera? I dont even know WHAT youre arguing anymore. That's like saying I have to aim my shit when I take a dump in the toilet.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #66 on:** August 17, 2008, 08:53:34 PM »

You know what else sucks, GTA4, its Ico in the hood. OH NOES FAT RELATIVE IN TROUBLES AGAIN! OFF I GO

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #67 on:** August 17, 2008, 08:54:35 PM »

I guess I need to play Ico. I really enjoyed SotC, even with the shitty camera.

JustinP · « **Reply #68 on:** August 17, 2008, 08:56:00 PM »

there's a point where comparisons like that become redundant. you could make the same argument for countless games. by the time Ico came out, i had already played enough 3D action games to where it was just accepted that characters could jump around and climb on things.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #69 on:** August 17, 2008, 08:57:15 PM »

Ico is crap, dont bother, unless of course you wanna be all JustinP.

Hitler Stole My Potato · « **Reply #70 on:** August 17, 2008, 08:59:18 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on August 17, 2008, 08:54:35 PM

I guess I need to play Ico. I really enjoyed SotC, even with the shitty camera.

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RAWR!

Ico

cool breeze · « **Reply #71 on:** August 17, 2008, 09:00:53 PM »

Quote from: JustinP on August 17, 2008, 08:56:00 PM

there's a point where comparisons like that become redundant. you could make the same argument for countless games. by the time Ico came out, i had already played enough 3D action games to where it was just accepted that characters could jump around and climb on things.

That style of platforming was actually not very common until around when Prince of Persia came out, which actually was probably the cause for the reinvention of Tomb Raider with Legends. I can't think off too many games that used that style of platforming. Back in the PS1/N64 era, it was all about the mascot 3D platformers copying Mario 64.

JustinP · « **Reply #72 on:** August 17, 2008, 09:04:31 PM »

Quote from: swaggaz on August 17, 2008, 09:00:53 PM

Quote from: JustinP on August 17, 2008, 08:56:00 PM
there's a point where comparisons like that become redundant. you could make the same argument for countless games. by the time Ico came out, i had already played enough 3D action games to where it was just accepted that characters could jump around and climb on things.

That style of platforming was actually not very common until around when Prince of Persia came out, which actually was probably the cause for the reinvention of Tomb Raider with Legends. I can't think off too many games that used that style of platforming. Back in the PS1/N64 era, it was all about the mascot 3D platformers copying Mario 64.

even mario could grab ledges and climb ropes. he just did it quicker because he's more of a cartoon.

JustinP · « **Reply #73 on:** August 17, 2008, 09:07:02 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on August 17, 2008, 08:57:42 PM

Quote from: Shell Beach on August 17, 2008, 08:52:51 PM
Quote from: JustinP on August 17, 2008, 06:39:38 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on August 17, 2008, 06:31:32 PM
um...are you serious?
in first person games, you're always controlling the camera--your view. if you don't "babysit" your view, you can't even play the game. third person games with camera control don't typically require precise control of the camera, but the general concept is the same -- you point the camera in the direction you want to look... just like in FPS games.

why do you think going into third person suddenly means you don't have to look where you're going?

haha what? babysit the camera? I dont even know WHAT youre arguing anymore. That's like saying I have to aim my shit when I take a dump in the toilet.
Yeah i'm not sure where he was going with that one, since fps controls and camera are the same fucking thing, whereas in third person games the camera often does shit you don't want it to do, which is oftentimes what happened in sotc.

:shrug didn't happen much to me. i was in control of the camera. which was my point. for the most part, you're in control of the camera in SotC. just like in ninja gaiden. only time the camera in 3rd person games really bother me is when it's more of an automated camera (where you don't have control) and does a poor job of it.

JustinP · « **Reply #74 on:** August 17, 2008, 09:08:49 PM »

Quote from: Shell Beach on August 17, 2008, 08:57:15 PM

Ico is crap, dont bother, unless of course you wanna be all JustinP.

i barely played Ico and i'm barely talking about it in this thread. hitler stole my potato is the guy promoting Ico, buddy.

cool breeze · « **Reply #75 on:** August 17, 2008, 09:12:26 PM »

Quote from: JustinP on August 17, 2008, 09:04:31 PM

even mario could grab ledges and climb ropes. he just did it quicker because he's more of a cartoon.

Yeah, but they hardly required you to do that and the main focus is one jumping from platform to platform and that sort of thing. Tomb Raider and this more realistic platformers are more about scaling more realistic architecture.

JustinP · « **Reply #76 on:** August 17, 2008, 09:15:50 PM »

Quote from: swaggaz on August 17, 2008, 09:12:26 PM

Quote from: JustinP on August 17, 2008, 09:04:31 PM
even mario could grab ledges and climb ropes. he just did it quicker because he's more of a cartoon.

Yeah, but they hardly required you to do that and the main focus is one jumping from platform to platform and that sort of thing. Tomb Raider and this more realistic platformers are more about scaling more realistic architecture.

i don't know if you remember, but tomb raider was clunky as hell -- especially considering you used the d-pad. calling something "watered down tomb raider gameplay" would basically be saying "completely broken." if you want to make a comparison to tomb raider, ico's gameplay would be a refinement and a show of progression for games.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #77 on:** August 17, 2008, 09:23:45 PM »

Man I'm lovin' that Ignore icon

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #78 on:** August 17, 2008, 09:44:11 PM »

I think the best part of this thread was JustinP's rant about the "FPS Camera" haha

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in first person games, you're always controlling the camera--your view. if you don't "babysit" your view, you can't even play the game. third person games with camera control don't typically require precise control of the camera, but the general concept is the same -- you point the camera in the direction you want to look... just like in FPS games.

Oh the lolz

Tabasco · « **Reply #79 on:** August 17, 2008, 09:50:30 PM »

http://209.11.233.26/archive/2008/08/17/show-289-braid-bionic-commando-rearmed-and-the-summer-of-arcade.aspx

for drohne and demi. blow is on major nelson's podcast.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #80 on:** August 17, 2008, 09:54:30 PM »

i love the revisionist history that tomb raider has always been shit

demi · « **Reply #81 on:** August 17, 2008, 09:57:26 PM »

Quote from: Tabasco on August 17, 2008, 09:50:30 PM

http://209.11.233.26/archive/2008/08/17/show-289-braid-bionic-commando-rearmed-and-the-summer-of-arcade.aspx

for drohne and demi. blow is on major nelson's podcast.

I dont really care what he has to say.

JustinP · « **Reply #82 on:** August 17, 2008, 09:57:38 PM »

Quote from: dcharlie on August 17, 2008, 09:37:34 PM

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Ico gameplay was a watered down... Tomb Raider? is this just the new playstation troll? that "Game_X is just tomb raider"? how is ico a watered down tomb raider any more than basically every other 3D action game/shooter?

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ico's gameplay would be a refinement and a show of progression for games.

typical dyfb - this was quickly followed by :

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i barely played Ico

but boy aren't you the fucking expert on it?

it's a watered down tomb raider because the combat and encounters were much worse and the environment "puzzles" weren't as expansive. The game's closest "relative" is obviously tomb raider.

It was , however, artistically and atmosphere wise a much better experience.

Which you'd you know if you'd actually played more of the game.

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is this just the new playstation troll?

everytime you fall back on this line, you make yourself look like a massive twat. Some of us finished Ico, more than once.

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calling something "watered down tomb raider gameplay" would basically be saying "completely broken."
no it doesn't - go back to school ffs.

the combat and controls in tomb raider were dog shit. laura croft controlled and animated like a fucking robot. did you not play mdk or mdk2 that came out before ico? because those games were closer to tomb raider combat -- you know, jumping around and shooting at shit.... which is not really something you do in Ico. i don't need to have beaten Ico to know that Ico is more about a fluid character that climbs and swipes at enemies while pulling a girl along for the ride.

JustinP · « **Reply #83 on:** August 17, 2008, 09:59:25 PM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on August 17, 2008, 09:54:30 PM

i love the revisionist history that tomb raider has always been shit

i happened to play mdk before tomb raider (they weren't too far apart). i never liked tomb raider.

JustinP · « **Reply #84 on:** August 17, 2008, 10:01:54 PM »

Quote from: Shell Beach on August 17, 2008, 09:44:11 PM

I think the best part of this thread was JustinP's rant about the "FPS Camera" haha

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in first person games, you're always controlling the camera--your view. if you don't "babysit" your view, you can't even play the game. third person games with camera control don't typically require precise control of the camera, but the general concept is the same -- you point the camera in the direction you want to look... just like in FPS games.

Oh the lolz

a rant? what are you smoking?

Hitler Stole My Potato · « **Reply #85 on:** August 17, 2008, 10:05:07 PM »

Quote from: JustinP on August 17, 2008, 09:59:25 PM

i happened to play mdk before tomb raider (they weren't too far apart). i never liked tomb raider.

Ico has more in common with Tomb Raider than MDK does.

JustinP · « **Reply #86 on:** August 17, 2008, 10:10:04 PM »

Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 17, 2008, 10:05:07 PM

Quote from: JustinP on August 17, 2008, 09:59:25 PM
i happened to play mdk before tomb raider (they weren't too far apart). i never liked tomb raider.

Ico has more in common with Tomb Raider than MDK does.

overall, sure. MDK takes place in crazy sci fi settings and has crazy characters. gameplay wise? not really. i only cited similarities between tomb raider and MDK combat, which are much more similar than anything found in Ico.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #87 on:** August 17, 2008, 10:15:41 PM »

Quote from: dcharlie on August 17, 2008, 10:08:33 PM

lol - no , i will not do this - i will just add you to ignore.
I will not feed the mong.

good thinking

drohne · « **Reply #88 on:** August 17, 2008, 10:17:09 PM »

i think it's more that ico and tomb raider draw on the same sources -- namely prince of persia and another world -- and ico does it better than tomb raider ever has or will. though the first tomb raider did some really memorable things under its unbelievable control jankiness

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #89 on:** August 17, 2008, 10:36:01 PM »

have you played anniversary, drohne? it's the first tomb raider, now with massive upgraded controls, better level layouts, and more polished puzzle design. it's by far and away my favorite tr.

cool breeze · « **Reply #90 on:** August 17, 2008, 10:39:41 PM »

Yeah, Anniversary is worth picking up even if you hated the original; at least that is the case for me. I hated Tomb Raider 1. I tried playing it on my PS1, then later on my N-gage QD, then later on my PSP, but each time I juts remembered how much I hated that game. Despite all that, I think Anniversary is an amazing game.

JustinP · « **Reply #91 on:** August 17, 2008, 10:40:07 PM »

Quote from: drohne on August 17, 2008, 10:17:09 PM

i think it's more that ico and tomb raider draw on the same sources -- namely prince of persia and another world -- and ico does it better than tomb raider ever has or will. though the first tomb raider did some really memorable things under its unbelievable control jankiness

some sanity in this thread? finally

drohne · « **Reply #92 on:** August 17, 2008, 10:41:05 PM »

i've been meaning to play anniversary -- i thought legend was pretty good. maybe i'll pick it up while i wait for tecmo to GET ON THE FUCKING BALL WITH THE NG2 PATCH SITUATION

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #93 on:** August 17, 2008, 11:01:03 PM »

How's TR:Anniversary on the PSP in 333MHZ mode? I need to play something on my PSP.

drohne · « **Reply #94 on:** August 17, 2008, 11:04:07 PM »

cool breeze · « **Reply #95 on:** August 17, 2008, 11:04:35 PM »

I haven't played the PSP game, but unless they have some good solution for the lack of the second/camera stick, I think it would be tough to play.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #96 on:** August 17, 2008, 11:06:11 PM »

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That was awesomely fast.

Tabasco · « **Reply #97 on:** August 17, 2008, 11:32:23 PM »

dude banged sarah michelle gellar. show some respect

pilonv1 · « **Reply #98 on:** August 17, 2008, 11:42:42 PM »

is that the current WWE writer?

laesperanzapaz · « **Reply #99 on:** August 18, 2008, 12:03:53 AM »

is TR: A better on PC or ps2, control wise? i played the first gen tr games on PC and man.....such painful memories...

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #100 on:** August 18, 2008, 12:08:49 AM »

pc with a 360 pad is the best

Brehvolution · « **Reply #101 on:** August 18, 2008, 12:14:45 AM »

Good Jon Blow's opinion on the Cell = truth
Other dev's good bright opinion on the Cell = PR?

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #102 on:** August 18, 2008, 12:22:30 AM »

Quote from: Zero Hero on August 18, 2008, 12:14:45 AM

Good Jon Blow's opinion on the Cell = truth
Other dev's good bright opinion on the Cell = PR?

Every game developer complains about how hard the PS3 is to program for, and yet its net game performance is no greater than a simpler architecture with fewer CPUs/cores. The theoretical computational power of the PS3 is indeed higher than that of the 360, yet games run no better. The PS3 shows that it's possible to make games run on a heterogenous multiprocessor system, but not that it's beneficial to do so -- quite the opposite really.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #103 on:** August 18, 2008, 12:47:44 AM »

Quote from: dcharlie on August 18, 2008, 12:16:34 AM

i think the problem is that evidence is on the side of the doubters

"Cell is an amazing beast.... we just can't show you just yet."

paying for potential

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Author Topic: jonathan blow would rather have a centrino than cell in the ps3 (Read 11076 times)