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« Reply #16920 on: March 06, 2013, 10:56:51 PM »
And again, thats a very small pool for a Sith Lord and apprentice to come from, and again there are going to be daddy issues involved. (Unless they decide to make a bounty hunter the antagonist, which would be cool but also piss on you guys 'bu, bu, bu THATS NOT STAR WARS' theory

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« Reply #16921 on: March 06, 2013, 11:00:53 PM »
if they're using the original actors, it's set something like 30 years after return of the jedi.  the original trilogy spanned five years or so.  30 years is long enough for luke skywalker's kids to have kids.

unless he's a homosexual
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« Reply #16922 on: March 06, 2013, 11:27:58 PM »
Well Han and Bon Bon Skywalker are still having kid(s) The Jedi + Sith pool is now 1 person

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« Reply #16923 on: March 06, 2013, 11:35:10 PM »
wait, is there something in the lore that restricts potential Jedi/Siths to the Skywalker bloodline? Can't they just spontaneously appear, like the X-men
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« Reply #16924 on: March 06, 2013, 11:36:15 PM »
(translation  - got a SCHWEET TL; DR .gif that I need to use badly)
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« Reply #16925 on: March 07, 2013, 12:17:46 AM »
There has to be someone to teach them to be a Sith, be that a fallen Jedi that turned or a Sith lord.

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« Reply #16926 on: March 07, 2013, 12:21:20 AM »
-Sith falling out the sky - I will lol
-Unknown Sith Vader didnt tell Luke about for some reason - I will lol
-Skywalker Sith - I will lol

Setting it a scant 30~ years after Return of the Jedi limits them heavily and unnecessarily so, if they were intent on sucking Skycock they could have done so 2000 years down the line too.

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« Reply #16927 on: March 07, 2013, 12:52:43 AM »
it's a whole damn galaxy, i find it hard to believe all the midochlorians are in one DNA clump
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« Reply #16928 on: March 07, 2013, 01:12:14 AM »
it's a whole damn galaxy, i find it hard to believe all the midochlorians are in one DNA clump
At the end of Return of the Jedi there is only 1 force user in the galaxy - Luke.

So everything, kids, OTHER people he trains, they all come from him. They have to. Thats my point.

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« Reply #16929 on: March 07, 2013, 02:10:28 AM »
yeah but logically, at some point in the dim distant past, Force users had to spontaneously arise. It's basic chicken-and-egg. Why can't that happen again

or does Luke's spunk just contain all the magic left in the universe now
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« Reply #16930 on: March 07, 2013, 02:25:22 AM »
If a few thousand years aren't enough for humans to adapt to eating grains, I think asking for them to develop telekinesis in the space of a few decades is rather a tall order.

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« Reply #16931 on: March 07, 2013, 02:32:25 AM »
But they already did, QED
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« Reply #16932 on: March 07, 2013, 02:38:01 AM »
this is getting into absurd 'How would light sabers work?' territory but if using the Force is a trainable skill dependent on physical potential that a large number of the humans in the gene pool at the time of the original trilogy have already demonstrated, then there is no reason not to expect those traits to manifest themselves widely across the rest of humanity (which must number in the hundreds of billions at least across all those planets).

Not to mention the fact that there are non-human Force users out there too. So yeah, light sabers for all!

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« Reply #16933 on: March 07, 2013, 02:49:22 AM »
I'm confused by how a sith would even be a threat.  The Emperor used politics to come into power; methods that had nothing to do with a laser sword and space magic.


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« Reply #16934 on: March 07, 2013, 03:01:49 AM »
Force Persuade

but yeah, Jedi Mind Tricks are all very well until someone has a spaceship pointed at you
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« Reply #16935 on: March 07, 2013, 03:45:34 AM »
When the Force was a myserious, spiritual sorta thing, you'd expect people to connect to it randomly.  But after midichlorians, something that can be quantified in a blood test?  I don't know how they're meant to work (I'm sure it's explained further somewhere, but I haven't bothered with the SW EU since about middle school) but you figure they're either like really benign bacteria, or something produced by the body.  Either way, you'd expect it to be heritable, with a certain amount of variation.

So after there's a genocide against the Jedi and the kids they had identified as future Jedi, you'd expect the pool to be a lot thinner.

But really, it's sci-fi, so they could resolve this a billion different ways.  Some Jedi managed to lay low like Yoda and Obi-Wan!  There are aliens/environments/machines which dampen or mask the Force!  When the Jedi were killed the midichlorians dispersed to find new hosts!  Luke was having gobs of unprotected sex off screen and has a few dozen bastard trainees already!

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« Reply #16936 on: March 07, 2013, 03:47:19 AM »
yeah but logically, at some point in the dim distant past, Force users had to spontaneously arise. It's basic chicken-and-egg. Why can't that happen again

or does Luke's spunk just contain all the magic left in the universe now
Yeah but the Sith were an actual race of people.


To magically spring up the race need to not be extinct and go on and teach some other frackers their ways. All roads lead to a Luke apprentice/family member turning. So it's a story of a Jedi gone rogue. Again.
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« Reply #16937 on: March 07, 2013, 03:51:49 AM »
I'm confused by how a sith would even be a threat.  The Emperor used politics to come into power; methods that had nothing to do with a laser sword and space magic.
Iirc the dark side of the force is more powerful

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« Reply #16938 on: March 07, 2013, 04:00:22 AM »
Microchlorimachines


Like I said before, I'm not a huge Star Wars nerd, I'm a Trekkie but this kind of thing just seems so unnecessary

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« Reply #16939 on: March 07, 2013, 09:42:04 AM »
-Sith falling out the sky - I will lol
-Unknown Sith Vader didnt tell Luke about for some reason - I will lol
-Skywalker Sith - I will lol

Why not? They've been doing that for nearly 30 years in the books.
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« Reply #16940 on: March 07, 2013, 09:50:10 AM »
Why? Because it's a ridiculously forced situation that need not be.

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« Reply #16941 on: March 07, 2013, 10:01:18 AM »
yeah, are midichlorians passed from person to person like a virus? are they genetic? basically, are they like space aids, or are they like space sickle cell? if someone with sores in their mouth blew a jedi, would they catch midichlorians?
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« Reply #16942 on: March 07, 2013, 10:07:25 AM »
It's space magic!
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« Reply #16943 on: March 07, 2013, 10:39:14 AM »
I always viewed midichlorians not as organisms that enable someone to use the force, just organisms that are able to thrive in a force rich environment. The stronger you are in the force, the more hospitable your body would be to midichlorians.
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« Reply #16944 on: March 07, 2013, 10:57:31 AM »
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-03-07/how-disney-bought-lucasfilm-and-its-plans-for-star-wars#p1

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*“Asked whether members of the original Star Wars cast will appear in Episode VII and if he called them before the deal closed to keep them informed, Lucas says, ‘We had already signed Mark and Carrie and Harrison—or we were pretty much in final stages of negotiation. So I called them to say, ‘Look, this is what’s going on.’ He pauses. ‘Maybe I’m not supposed to say that. I think they want to announce that with some big whoop-de-do, but we were negotiating with them.’”

*”In May 2011 Iger met Lucas for breakfast at the Hollywood Brown Derby, one of Disney World’s restaurants…Iger inquired whether Lucas would ever consider selling his company. Lucas replied that he’d recently celebrated his 67th birthday and was starting to think seriously about retiring… ‘I’m not ready to pursue that now,’ he told Iger. ‘But when I am, I’d love to talk.’”

*Pablo Hidalgo, founding member of the Star Wars Fan Boy Association, who is now a “brand communication manager” at Lucasfilm gave Disney a tour of the Holocron which “lists 17,000 characters in the Star Wars universe inhabiting several thousand planets over a span of 20,000 years.”

*Alan Horn, chairman of Walt Disney Studios: “We needed to have an understanding that if we acquire the company, despite tons of collegial conversations and collaboration, at the end of the day, we have to be the ones who sign off on whatever the plans are.”

*“At first Lucas wouldn’t even turn over his rough sketches of the next three Star Warsfilms. When Disney executives asked to see them, he assured them they would be great and said they should just trust him… Once Lucas got assurances from Disney in writing about the broad outlines of the deal, he agreed to turn over the treatments—but insisted they could only be read by Horn and Kevin Mayer, Disney’s executive vice president for corporate strategy. ‘We promised,’ says Iger. ‘We had to sign an agreement.’”

*“At the end of October, Iger arranged for Lucas to fly down to Disney’s Burbank headquarters and sign the papers. He thought Lucas seemed melancholy. ‘When he put that pen to the piece of paper, I didn’t detect a hesitation,’ Iger says. ‘But I did detect there was a lot of emotion. He was saying goodbye.’”

*“The day after the deal closed [Iger] went trick-or-treating with his family. ‘I was Darth Vader,’ he says.
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« Reply #16945 on: March 07, 2013, 12:10:46 PM »
I don't even know what the fuck midchornanomachines are!!!! What is going on this page?! Those things are in Star Wars?!?!
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« Reply #16946 on: March 07, 2013, 12:15:07 PM »
I don't even know what the fuck midchornanomachines are!!!! What is going on this page?! Those things are in Star Wars?!?!
Joint op of Lucas and Kojima to troll their respective fandoms

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« Reply #16947 on: March 07, 2013, 01:22:44 PM »
what the HELL are Midichlorians and what Star Wars movie are they in?!
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« Reply #16948 on: March 07, 2013, 01:31:21 PM »
i was joking, i don't really care other than i think it's just a dumb little movie macguffin  :lol

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« Reply #16949 on: March 07, 2013, 01:35:32 PM »
what the HELL are Midichlorians and what Star Wars movie are they in?!

Technically all of them.  George Lucas's notes from the 70s mention them.  :P 

Force-users manipulate energy, an energy field created by all living things... so yeah, noting that at the biological level, all living things in that galaxy have organelles that produce an energy field?  Not a big deal.  Kind of obvious, really.

Unfortunately, they were introduced in the worst bit of exposition since ever in that cinematic classic The Phantom Menace.

Oh.

No wonder. I haven't seen that film since release.
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« Reply #16950 on: March 07, 2013, 03:07:00 PM »
what the HELL are Midichlorians and what Star Wars movie are they in?!
it's a good thing you asked Himu.  here, let George Lucas explain it using the magic of motion pictures:

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« Reply #16951 on: March 07, 2013, 03:10:43 PM »
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« Reply #16952 on: March 07, 2013, 03:17:12 PM »
:lol
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« Reply #16953 on: March 07, 2013, 03:21:10 PM »
this page has been strange.
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« Reply #16954 on: March 07, 2013, 03:23:49 PM »
I really don't understand why Lucas thought the Force needed to be explained in more detail, or needed to be more "grounded" in some form of reality. It's space magic either way, but going back to it again and cramming more exposition into it only make it come across as stupid, and makes fans hate it.
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« Reply #16955 on: March 07, 2013, 03:36:46 PM »
I really don't understand why Lucas thought the Force needed to be explained in more detail, or needed to be more "grounded" in some form of reality. It's space magic either way, but going back to it again and cramming more exposition into it only make it come across as stupid, and makes fans hate it.

He did the midichlorians so he could make Palpatine Vader's "father".
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« Reply #16956 on: March 07, 2013, 04:28:53 PM »
I really don't understand why Lucas thought the Force needed to be explained in more detail, or needed to be more "grounded" in some form of reality. It's space magic either way, but going back to it again and cramming more exposition into it only make it come across as stupid, and makes fans hate it.

He did the midichlorians so he could make Palpatine Vader's "father".

I'm not even sure what that means.
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« Reply #16957 on: March 07, 2013, 04:55:40 PM »
I really don't understand why Lucas thought the Force needed to be explained in more detail, or needed to be more "grounded" in some form of reality. It's space magic either way, but going back to it again and cramming more exposition into it only make it come across as stupid, and makes fans hate it.

He did the midichlorians so he could make Palpatine Vader's "father".

I'm not even sure what that means.

In Episode III Palpatine explains to Anakin that Darth Plagueis was so powerful that he could manipulate the midichorians to create life (and he said that while glancing at Anakin) and then said that Plagueis taught his apprentice everything he knew before his apprentice killed him. And Palpatine was his apprentice.

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« Reply #16958 on: March 07, 2013, 05:01:53 PM »
But didn't Anakin have all the midicholorians and shit before he ever met Palpatine? Or is the hot new theory that Palpatine used the force to get Anakin's mom preggers?
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« Reply #16959 on: March 07, 2013, 05:08:55 PM »
But didn't Anakin have all the midicholorians and shit before he ever met Palpatine? Or is the hot new theory that Palpatine used the force to get Anakin's mom preggers?

Anakin's mom in Ep1 said that there was no father and Qui-Gon told the Jedi council that he was conceived by the Force. Episode III explained that Palpatine manipulated the Force to create him.
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« Reply #16960 on: March 07, 2013, 05:34:55 PM »
So your theory is that Palpatine Force Fucked Anakin's mom, gotcha.
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« Reply #16961 on: March 07, 2013, 05:36:22 PM »
But didn't Anakin have all the midicholorians and shit before he ever met Palpatine? Or is the hot new theory that Palpatine used the force to get Anakin's mom preggers?

Anakin's mom in Ep1 said that there was no father and Qui-Gon told the Jedi council that he was conceived by the Force. Episode III explained that Palpatine manipulated the Force to create him.

whoa I don't remember this
 :ohhh
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« Reply #16962 on: March 07, 2013, 05:41:05 PM »
 :what

so fucking stupid, making anakin the force jesus
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« Reply #16963 on: March 07, 2013, 05:44:39 PM »
But didn't Anakin have all the midicholorians and shit before he ever met Palpatine? Or is the hot new theory that Palpatine used the force to get Anakin's mom preggers?

Anakin's mom in Ep1 said that there was no father and Qui-Gon told the Jedi council that he was conceived by the Force. Episode III explained that Palpatine manipulated the Force to create him.

whoa I don't remember this
 :ohhh

I linked the video.

So your theory is that Palpatine Force Fucked Anakin's mom, gotcha.

It's not a theory. It's right there in the movie. I linked the video of the scene above.
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« Reply #16964 on: March 07, 2013, 05:50:20 PM »
Can't wait it at work. I do remember him giving a speech to Anakin about the force, I just don't remember him saying "I'm technically you're father bro"
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« Reply #16965 on: March 07, 2013, 05:55:13 PM »
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« Reply #16966 on: March 07, 2013, 05:55:25 PM »
Can't wait it at work. I do remember him giving a speech to Anakin about the force, I just don't remember him saying "I'm technically you're father bro"

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PALPATINE: (continuing) Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis "the wise"?

ANAKIN: No.

PALPATINE: I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life ... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.

ANAKIN: He could actually save people from death?

PALPATINE: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

ANAKIN: What happened to him?

PALPATINE: He became so powerful . . . the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. (smiles) Plagueis never saw it coming. It's ironic he could save others from death, but not himself.

Palpatine learned how to create life with the Force from his master. When he was talking about creating life with the Force he glances right at Anakin.
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« Reply #16967 on: March 07, 2013, 06:24:02 PM »
Yeah, and what if the Matrix was really a Matrix within a Matrix? It totally makes sense, breh.
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« Reply #16968 on: March 07, 2013, 06:54:56 PM »
we have a pic of sofia vergara shooting bullets out of her tits and yet you nerds cant stop your midicholorian talk SMH
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« Reply #16969 on: March 07, 2013, 06:59:33 PM »
dammit this is exactly the kind of nerd-fest i was trolling for but no-one has written quite enough in a single post for that TL;DR
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« Reply #16970 on: March 07, 2013, 07:07:16 PM »
we have a pic of sofia vergara shooting bullets out of her tits and yet you nerds cant stop your midicholorian talk SMH

Looks like a shop to me, I doubt those bullets are really coming out of her tits.
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« Reply #16971 on: March 08, 2013, 01:18:03 AM »
Here’s why those [midichlorians] shouldn’t trouble anyone:

Years after they were introduced as a plot device in TPM, some SW fans just cannot get over the little unseen critters called “midichlorians.” They can easily accept planets with a single environment and always have breathable air or ships that can go kaboom in huge balls of fire in space, but the concept of midichlorians sets them off into utter fanboy rage. They say it changed the Force and that ruins everything! I’ll never understand why some things, small things that don’t matter to 99% of most moviegoers, get under the skin of these fans.

Oh sure, some of them rethought their position after ROTS raised the possibility that the midichlorians were manipulated by the Sith to create Anakin. Well, then, that’s cool!

But others still hold on to their resentment all of these years, claiming the midis are symptomatic of what has become of SW since the prequels. (And yet they remain to try and ruin things for the rest of us.) The latest salvo opened when two of the executive producers on "Lost" tried to use fanboy (and their own) anti-midichlorian attitudes to avoid having to explain one of the central themes of the show. A writer on the reliably anti-PT i09 site responded with an essay that tried to say this was a lame excuse on the part of these guys but really spent the entire time beating up on the concept of midichlorians. Which you know is always an open invitation to come in and beat up on everything about the PT.

Well, here’s my take on why the i09 guy and the critics are way off.

1. The midichlorians do not change the Force

The Force is what it has always been. It’s still that mystical energy field that lets Jedi and Sith characters do all kinds of cool stuff mere mortals cannot. Not a thing that we’ve learned in TPM changes that. At least not on paper. As with a lot of other things about SW, fans had almost two decades to form in their own minds what concepts like the Force are supposed to be, and lo and behold, when new information is introduced, it blows that concept out of the water. Me, I had no concept at all. I didn’t care if the Force came from God or from carne asada burritos. It’s just what’s in the story. So when the midichlorians were introduced, I thought, “Well, that’s interesting.”

2. The midichlorians are not the Force

They’re not meant to explain the Force itself nor are they meant to be the Force itself, but to explain why if the Force flows through all living things, some have abilities with it that others do not. It’s also meant to explain Anakin’s potential and why he (along with his progeny) are so important to the story. As one fan put it, otherwise the Emperor may as well have spent his time worrying about Han Solo or Wedge’s growing skills as a pilot.

3. Midichlorians are not really scientific

A common complaint about the midis is that they introduce “science” into what is often perceived as a quasi-religious concept. After all, it’s the physical presence of living organisms in the body that act as intermediaries with the Force. Isn’t that like saying you have to have the right blood type to be touched by the Holy Spirit? Huh? Huh??

First of all, so what? Again this goes to fan concepts about SW that run headlong into what actually is in the movies. George Lucas never said, “The Force is just like the Holy Spirit and everything you learned in catchecism.” What he has said is that the midichlorians are meant to be a metaphor, part of a general theme about symbiosis that appears in TPM and throughout the prequel films. Much of the symbiosis in the films is spiritual and emotional in nature. Worth a whole ‘nuther essay, in fact.

4. The midichlorians were not unnecessary, clumsy retcon

There were a lot of different ways Lucas could have approached his story and he just happened to have chosen this one. Again, it was about the themes he wanted to explore in this trilogy. The midichlorian thing was a device. What would have been better? Anakin identified as the Chosen One because of a birthmark on his butt? Because he’s just better at being a Jedi than anyone else, without any explanation as to why? A radioactive spider bit him? The solar flares from Tatooine’s twin suns? Anakin was a symbiont with the Force, so his actions have a much greater effect than had it been any other character.

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« Reply #16972 on: March 08, 2013, 01:50:47 AM »
:rofl

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« Reply #16973 on: March 08, 2013, 02:06:55 AM »
chrono doing Cormac a solid by pasting a rant long enough for the gif.  What a mensch.

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« Reply #16974 on: March 08, 2013, 02:09:36 AM »
he's my alt
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« Reply #16975 on: March 08, 2013, 02:11:09 AM »
Here’s why those [midichlorians] shouldn’t trouble anyone:

Years after they were introduced as a plot device in TPM, some SW fans just cannot get over the little unseen critters called “midichlorians.” They can easily accept planets with a single environment and always have breathable air or ships that can go kaboom in huge balls of fire in space, but the concept of midichlorians sets them off into utter fanboy rage. They say it changed the Force and that ruins everything! I’ll never understand why some things, small things that don’t matter to 99% of most moviegoers, get under the skin of these fans.

Oh sure, some of them rethought their position after ROTS raised the possibility that the midichlorians were manipulated by the Sith to create Anakin. Well, then, that’s cool!

But others still hold on to their resentment all of these years, claiming the midis are symptomatic of what has become of SW since the prequels. (And yet they remain to try and ruin things for the rest of us.) The latest salvo opened when two of the executive producers on "Lost" tried to use fanboy (and their own) anti-midichlorian attitudes to avoid having to explain one of the central themes of the show. A writer on the reliably anti-PT i09 site responded with an essay that tried to say this was a lame excuse on the part of these guys but really spent the entire time beating up on the concept of midichlorians. Which you know is always an open invitation to come in and beat up on everything about the PT.

Well, here’s my take on why the i09 guy and the critics are way off.

1. The midichlorians do not change the Force

The Force is what it has always been. It’s still that mystical energy field that lets Jedi and Sith characters do all kinds of cool stuff mere mortals cannot. Not a thing that we’ve learned in TPM changes that. At least not on paper. As with a lot of other things about SW, fans had almost two decades to form in their own minds what concepts like the Force are supposed to be, and lo and behold, when new information is introduced, it blows that concept out of the water. Me, I had no concept at all. I didn’t care if the Force came from God or from carne asada burritos. It’s just what’s in the story. So when the midichlorians were introduced, I thought, “Well, that’s interesting.”

2. The midichlorians are not the Force

They’re not meant to explain the Force itself nor are they meant to be the Force itself, but to explain why if the Force flows through all living things, some have abilities with it that others do not. It’s also meant to explain Anakin’s potential and why he (along with his progeny) are so important to the story. As one fan put it, otherwise the Emperor may as well have spent his time worrying about Han Solo or Wedge’s growing skills as a pilot.

3. Midichlorians are not really scientific

A common complaint about the midis is that they introduce “science” into what is often perceived as a quasi-religious concept. After all, it’s the physical presence of living organisms in the body that act as intermediaries with the Force. Isn’t that like saying you have to have the right blood type to be touched by the Holy Spirit? Huh? Huh??

First of all, so what? Again this goes to fan concepts about SW that run headlong into what actually is in the movies. George Lucas never said, “The Force is just like the Holy Spirit and everything you learned in catchecism.” What he has said is that the midichlorians are meant to be a metaphor, part of a general theme about symbiosis that appears in TPM and throughout the prequel films. Much of the symbiosis in the films is spiritual and emotional in nature. Worth a whole ‘nuther essay, in fact.

4. The midichlorians were not unnecessary, clumsy retcon

There were a lot of different ways Lucas could have approached his story and he just happened to have chosen this one. Again, it was about the themes he wanted to explore in this trilogy. The midichlorian thing was a device. What would have been better? Anakin identified as the Chosen One because of a birthmark on his butt? Because he’s just better at being a Jedi than anyone else, without any explanation as to why? A radioactive spider bit him? The solar flares from Tatooine’s twin suns? Anakin was a symbiont with the Force, so his actions have a much greater effect than had it been any other character.

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« Reply #16976 on: March 08, 2013, 02:14:25 AM »
Isn't Palpatine creating a really powerful Jedi in the hopes that he'll turn him bad ~20 years down the road the most convoluted, abstruse plan?  Also he already had another Sith helper at that point and there can only be two (like a double Highlander sort of deal)?

"Well, just in case this one dies, I'd better create a new really powerful Jedi to replace him.  Hopefully I'll be able to manipulate this one, though, cause otherwise I'd be creating a Messiah-level Force user who will be trained from childhood by my enemies.  Eh, I'll work the kinks out later."

It's almost like this wasn't all meticulously planned from the beginning by a thoughtful, skilled author!

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« Reply #16977 on: March 08, 2013, 02:16:01 AM »
midichlorian white knights, i don't know anymore.
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« Reply #16978 on: March 08, 2013, 02:17:08 AM »
well, that's why he got got Mandark
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« Reply #16979 on: March 08, 2013, 02:18:41 AM »
This is all probably just leading up to another retcon into the original movies, where Palpatine says "Luke, I am your pop-pop!"