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[paprikastaude]

The White Ribbon - 

 

[Mr. Nobody]

The White Ribbon - 

 

Excellent B&W cinematography can't save this one (or maybe it can due to the critical acclaim). It's Haneke's formula at it's worst: drops you in almost abruptly like usual but doesn't give you a real reason to get attached to what's happening (and any semi-successful attempt to do so is cut off by the following scene), and then just ends and leaves the viewer completely cold, which is what he always tries to do but without a narrative or characters to get invested in, it just feels like a waste of time.

[Don Rumata]

I never understood why people found Time of the Wolf boring.
One of the few post apocalypse movies that's not annoyingly stupid, even though it's a lesser Haneke in general.

[paprikastaude]

  I don't think critics raved about White Ribbon because of pictures alone, but because it's a rarely unfiltered depiction of proto-fascism and general malignity without trite narrative cliches. tbh one of the more disturbing movies I've ever seen.

[EchoRin]

The Lighthouse. Had me going from bored to engaged  several times. At first I enjoyed just watching the two characters go about their business. The way it was all shot made for good people watching. Like uhhh... what's that really early film from maybe the 19th century still. A Man and the Camera? I don't know. Movie historians should know what I'm talking about. Super old film of a person just capturing life around the city. Maybe Paris? Annnnyyyyyywhooooo, I eventually got tired of people watching and thankfully our characters actually started engaging. Various symbolism and imagery most likely went over my head. Would need a second viewing to be more observant. I like how as the characters descend more into madness we actually learn more about who they really are on the inside. Are they both bullshitters? Perhaps.

Also, there are like 2 or maybe 3 really funny scenes in this movie. Absolutely hilarious. One being when

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Willem's character puts a hex on Twilight guy because he said Willem's cooking sucks. So funny how Willem genuinely seems hurt. "But you like my lobster right? I've seen you like my lobster." Seems so gutted and then goes on his diatribe. Twilight guy then says "fine. Have it your way. The lobster is good" 

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and then when Twilight guy

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finally loses his shit and goes on a laundry list of things that bother him about Willem. I'm so glad he brought up the farting. At first I was like "huh. None of them acknowledge that this old crusty bastard just farts about all the time?" But no no. Twilight guy points that out. And the jizz comment.  "Jizzum"  It's funny to hear someone say semen in that manner.

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I liked the movie. At times it lost my interest, but then it would always pull me back in. Also, great sound design especially in the first quarter or so in the movie. Love the 4:3 aspect ratio. Love the black and white color of the movie. Willem is fantastic. Twilight Guy gets a pat on the back too.

Oh and mermaid pussy 

[Joe Molotov]

Gonna see Lighthouse tomorrow with Rumbler.

[Mr. Nobody]

I never understood why people found Time of the Wolf boring.
One of the few post apocalypse movies that's not annoyingly stupid, even though it's a lesser Haneke in general.

There's just nothing to care about and it takes a good 45 minutes or so to realize what's actually going on if you don't look for anything beyond the summary in advance.

I don't think critics raved about White Ribbon because of pictures alone, but because it's a rarely unfiltered depiction of proto-fascism and general malignity without trite narrative cliches. tbh one of the more disturbing movies I've ever seen.

We'll just have to agree to disagree because I thought it fell flat.

[Great Rumbler]

At least we can all agree that Cache is pretty ace.

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"I called you...because I wanted you to be present..."

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[Mr. Nobody]

At least we can all agree that Cache is pretty ace.

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"I called you...because I wanted you to be present..."

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The final flashback 

[agrajag]

Terminator was p good, some of the callbacks and dialogue was pretty cringey. I liked how they portrayed border patrol agents as assholes.

[team filler]

Gonna see Lighthouse tomorrow with Rumbler.

[Nintex]

After hearing Edward Norton talk passionately about great films I'm really curious about Motherless Brooklyn

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/RickyRawls/status/1190517676654972929

 

[EchoRin]

Oops. Wrong thread. Moving it there

edit: appreciate the "like" anyway, filler

[Rahxephon91]

Terminator was pretty boring and bland. Please let this series die.

[Transhuman]

Terminator was pretty boring and bland. Please let this series die.

How was Mackenzie Davis?

[agrajag]

Terminator was way better than Genisys.

The most awful and hilarious part though was when Sarah Connor goes:

"me and John changed the future, we prevented Skynet from existing. But then a robot came from a future that didn't exist and killed John."

and that's it. No further explanation.

 

[agrajag]

no it doesn't 

[agrajag]

I need it to make sense.

[agrajag]

What the fuck is a future that doesn't exist? You know what, you are a shitty contrarian like Shosta. Not entertaining this nonsense.

[ToxicAdam]

If we go back in time and stop Jaws from being made, will it mean our future selves won't have to suffer through 5 unneeded Terminator sequels?

[Leadbelly]

I just thought Terminator Dark Fate was simply... okay. If you forget about Terminator and T2, it is I guess a passable action flick, but nothing more than that. If you start actually thinking about the plot and backstory, you realise the whole script makes little sense. It says it is a direct sequel to T2 yet makes what happens in that movie totally pointless. The reason for Arnie being in the movie made no sense.

In terms of a Terminator movie, I just couldn't help thinking, "okay this series is done now". It adds absolutely nothing new, and shits on what came before it.

[agrajag]

shut up, dumbass.  She expressly stated that she changed the future therefore there is no Skynet to make T-800's anymore. THEN afterwards another one mysteriously appeared "from a future that doesn't exist," a complete misnomer, defying all sense. You're a dumb fucking dick for defending that.

I just thought Terminator Dark Fate was simply... okay. If you forget about Terminator and T2, it is I guess a passable action flick, but nothing more than that. If you start actually thinking about the plot and backstory, you realise the whole script makes little sense. It says it is a direct sequel to T2 yet makes what happens in that movie totally pointless. The reason for Arnie being in the movie made no sense.

In terms of a Terminator movie, I just couldn't help thinking, "okay this series is done now". It adds absolutely nothing new, and shits on what came before it.

lmao, in four of the five Terminator movies since T2, they use the same trope of the reprogrammed good guy Arnold Terminator.

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And in 3/5 he heroically sacrifices himself

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[Transhuman]

Can we please stay on track? How was Mackenzie Davis?

[agrajag]

if you watched the movie, you'd know that the different company doesn't make the same kind of robots, asshole. 

[agrajag]

Can we please stay on track? How was Mackenzie Davis?

her character was annoying as fuck. I was hoping Sarah Connor would blow her brains out the entire film

[agrajag]

no it's  not. The girl from the future even says "what the fuck is Cyberdyne Systems, you boomers"

That T-800 could not logically exist.

[Rahxephon91]

I assumed the Skynet Terminators were sent out before the timeline changed. So they were from a time before Skynet changed.

I mean it’s Terminator so I don’t need it to make sense.

I mean John still existed and the timeline that led to his existence doesn’t exist.

[agrajag]

I realize none of the movies make sense if you start to nitpick the time travel, but she specifically said they changed the timeline and THEN a Terminator "from the future that doesn't exist" popped up and killed him. She wouldn't say that if he did it before they changed the timeline, and if that's the case, they wouldn't have been able to change the timeline in the first place. That dumb line just irked me, and Steo is just being a contrarian shit, as usual.

[Leadbelly]

I've just realised something lol

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I think I know the reason why they killed off John Connor. Well, apart from Edward Furlong looking a mess that is. Ultimately AI rises up and destroys mankind anyway, it just happens at another time. Considering John Connor's whole life was built up in anticipation of what was to come, wouldn't he still be in a unique position to actually lead the resistance? I mean it doesn't happen in the way it was originally supposed to, but it seems to be basically the same thing just a new brand. It was once called Skynet, now it is called Legion. And if you were going to make a movie that is a direct sequel, it would make sense to have John Connor in it for continuity reasons. Only they weren't going to do that because really what they wanted to make was a gender swap movie. And so a female John Connor. And John Connor would just get in the way of that.

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[Rahxephon91]

I think you’re a little too focused on a statement that is just her talking about what happen in order.

Shes saying her actions(T2) changed the timeline. Which she did, but she wouldn’t be aware of terminators sent out before that. And she’s not

[agrajag]

I think you’re a little too focused on a statement that is just her talking about what happen in order.

Shes saying her actions(T2) changed the timeline. Which she did, but she wouldn’t be aware of terminators sent out before that.

then that dumb bitch shouldn't have said "he came from a future that didn't exist." If she explained that there was already a terminator lurking around, like in your explanation, that would've made more sense. But she said a dumb platitude instead.

[Rahxephon91]

eh ok man...

[agrajag]

you're doing mental gymnastics to make it make sense based on how you think it should happen, not actually predicated on what's on screen.

[Leadbelly]

I will say, I assumed he was sent out before the future was changed. That in itself seems kind of dumb though, and just served as a way to kill off John Connor to get him out the way. That however wasn't the dumbest thing about that character. The dumbest thing about that character was the fact that he grows a conscience, becomes a family guy, and starts helping Sarah Connor for some reason. Text her coordinates of terminators that have time travelled. Maybe it was explained and I missed it but, how the hell does he know so much about terminators time travelling anyway? Waht the fuck man

[Rahxephon91]

No I’m just don’t care about shitty writing trying to be introspective as clearly what the opening narration is going for is those audio diaries Sarah was making.

As far as she’s aware she changed the future and the terminator that killed John is from that future that didn’t exist. Which also fits the theme for her character and his. They have no purpose because they did their job and the fates they were supposed to have are no longer valid. Why would her opening lines which are supposed to feel like fairy entries need to get all technical when it seems pretty clear to everyone else but you that she’s talking just about the order of events.

Also why would she say “oh by a Terminator already lurking”? They clearly didn’t know or think that would happen as they were simply care free chilling in South America. All she knows is that it probably came from a future they changed and assuming based on what happen in the previous movies where despite being close to losing Skynet is able to send out terminators, that she just wasn’t aware of how many they sent. Hence from a future that changed.

[agrajag]

yeah, ok. There were a confused looks in the theater when she said that. I guess folks irl aren't Terminator whisperers unlike the experts on The Bore 

[Joe Molotov]

Can we please stay on track? How was Mackenzie Davis?

She was good in a future that doesn't exist.

[Leadbelly]

No I’m just don’t care about shitty writing trying to be introspective as clearly what the opening narration is going for is those audio diaries Sarah was making.

As far as she’s aware she changed the future and the terminator that killed John is from that future that didn’t exist. Which also fits the theme for her character and his. They have no purpose because they did their job and the fates they were supposed to have are no longer valid. Why would her opening lines which are supposed to feel like fairy entries need to get all technical when it seems pretty clear to everyone else but you that she’s talking just about the order of events.

As I said in my spoiler (which kind of seems pointless now since everyone is just talking about it anyway) why would it no longer be valid though? Because the future is kind of the same thing, it just happens at a different time and with a rebranding. Since John Connor's whole life was building up to this, and since both his mother and he himself have dealt with terminators on two separate occasions, wouldn't he still be in a unique position to lead a resistance? I mean obviously John Connor had what it takes to lead the resistance, that was already established, so why wouldn't he? At least he would be of some use considering what had already transpired. The threat isn't much different to what it would have been originally after all.

[agrajag]

every terminator movie is kind of pointless, because some other kind of form of AI will inevitably rise up. It's set up to be a never ending stream of sequels

[paprikastaude]

It ended here.



Now shut up.

[bork]

Didn't like Terminator GENSIS (sic) when I first watched it, but it really grew on me as a dumb, fun movie.  Wish it got a sequel.  Oh well.

[Madrun Badrun]

I don't care what people say, more terminator is generally good.  Bad movies don't retroactivily spoil good ones. 

[EchoRin]

Didn't like Terminator GENSIS (sic) when I first watched it, but it really grew on me as a dumb, fun movie.  Wish it got a sequel.  Oh well.

Moon Bloodgood. What a name. Don't think I've ever seen her in another movie, but that striking name has stayed with me forever. And we got the Christian Bale freak out of it too.

Actually no. Different Terminator. Salvation.

[agrajag]

I kinda liked Salvation, I liked those chunky Terminator models from before the Arnold one.

[bork]

Didn't like Terminator GENSIS (sic) when I first watched it, but it really grew on me as a dumb, fun movie.  Wish it got a sequel.  Oh well.

Moon Bloodgood. What a name. Don't think I've ever seen her in another movie, but that striking name has stayed with me forever. And we got the Christian Bale freak out of it too.

Actually no. Different Terminator. Salvation.

Fitting 

[Leadbelly]

I just thought Terminator Dark Fate was simply... okay. If you forget about Terminator and T2, it is I guess a passable action flick.

The funny thing is Terminator 3 and Salvation are also often cited as that. I didn't like either of them but they aren't complete dogshit like Genysis. But that's the thing. Terminator and T2 are two of the greatest movies out there that still stand out. When the best you can do is passable, it's not going to cut it. Especially after we've already had passable and it didn't click lol.

Well yeah. I just can't see where the franchise can go from here. It just seems dead to me now.

It's funny actually because it seems to me like they were following the same model as Star Wars. Have it tie in to the previous movies to basically get the fans interested in it, but then basically just shit on those iconic characters in some way because really they didn't actually want it to be a sequel, really what they wanted to do is a reboot. It's like they kind of want you to forget about those movies. They're unimportant. That's exactly what I think they were trying to do with Terminator.

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where does chucky reboot rank in the terminator series?

[Rahxephon91]

No I’m just don’t care about shitty writing trying to be introspective as clearly what the opening narration is going for is those audio diaries Sarah was making.

As far as she’s aware she changed the future and the terminator that killed John is from that future that didn’t exist. Which also fits the theme for her character and his. They have no purpose because they did their job and the fates they were supposed to have are no longer valid. Why would her opening lines which are supposed to feel like fairy entries need to get all technical when it seems pretty clear to everyone else but you that she’s talking just about the order of events.

As I said in my spoiler (which kind of seems pointless now since everyone is just talking about it anyway) why would it no longer be valid though? Because the future is kind of the same thing, it just happens at a different time and with a rebranding. Since John Connor's whole life was building up to this, and since both his mother and he himself have dealt with terminators on two separate occasions, wouldn't he still be in a unique position to lead a resistance? I mean obviously John Connor had what it takes to lead the resistance, that was already established, so why wouldn't he? At least he would be of some use considering what had already transpired. The threat isn't much different to what it would have been originally after all.

Well I mean what I'm saying is that is thier supposed arc in this movie. It's kind of poorly done, but what I think they were trying to do with Sarah is that. Have her find a new purpose in training the next JC. Why they couldn't have that be John, I'm not sure. I think that could have been a cool character story, "I was supposed to be Jesus, I'm not anymore, maybe I should help the new Jesus".

And since Grace knows Sarah's fate line and we know she trains Dani, I think it's pretty clear that Sarah does train Danni to be the leader she becomes.

[Don Rumata]

It ended here.

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Now shut up.

Worrying about what's canon in the first place, is nerd shit.

[bork]

Why they couldn't have that be John, I'm not sure.

Gotta go woke.
 

Guess it doesn't matter since this is looking to be Terminator "three" version #4 (or #5 if we count the TV series that never finished) that gets ignored, if they even make another one after this.

[Leadbelly]

I think the reason it couldn't have been John is that they wanted a female John Connor. It's that simple. Having him around just complicated things. And ultimately I think they wanted a clean break away from the original story.

[bork]

Genisys was a soft reboot remix of REMEMBER THIS that ignored/rewrote the continuity of the whole series and the very next movie was a soft reboot remix of REMEMBER THIS that ignored/rewrote the continuity of the whole series

And it was fun as fuck


I love the beginning, especially- redoing The Terminator and then FUCK YOU TIME TRAVEL MANIA and crazy shit happening with multiple Ahnulds and a T1000 showing up. 

[bork]

I think the reason it couldn't have been John is that they wanted a female John Connor. It's that simple. Having him around just complicated things. And ultimately I think they wanted a clean break away from the original story.

So...Sarah Connor? 

[Leadbelly]

I think the reason it couldn't have been John is that they wanted a female John Connor. It's that simple. Having him around just complicated things. And ultimately I think they wanted a clean break away from the original story.

So...Sarah Connor? 

Funny thing is, Linda Hamilton was actually believeable in T2. Her whole story arc was convincing enough that you could believe it from a psychological perspective, and well, even physically she looked prepared. Natalia Reyes on the other hand, I just don't believe it. You see her in the future kicking fucking ass, and at one point breaks a guys arm to the point where it seems even bones are sticking out. At that point I am thinking, "come on!". She is very petite and probably weighs next to nothing. Although doesn't necessarily mean she isn't a great orator I suppose.

[Rahxephon91]

No I think the reason is they did'nt want Edward Furlong.

Maybe having a female protag is going woke. I don't know and I don't really care. But I'm sure if Edward Furlong wasn't a mess of a person we would have had mentor John Conner which sounds an ok ending for his character.

[Leadbelly]

Ripley is a great female protaganist. It is certainly making a point, as was ripley, but not necessarily going woke. In this film though, I genuinely believe it was done just to be 'woke'.

They even had Sarah Connor turn sexist for a minute just so they could spell it out just in case the audience didn't catch on for some reason (lol). Basically Sarah Connor is like, "It's not you they're after it's your womb". I mean of course they don't want her for fuck sake, she's a woman. really? You needed that in the script?

[Transhuman]

This is why I hate time travel in fiction.

[VomKriege]

Birdman : I was into it but I can hear some of the theorical criticisms about the whole "continuous camera shot" device : a coworker argued with me about this and the lack of "triggers" to justify some of the camera shifting, leading to the impression it's an omniscient camera devoid of a coherent angle. It honestly didn.t bother me though there's always something a bit gratuitous to this sort of performance.

I'll probably try to catch the Revenant too, as it's in Netflix as well.

[Rahxephon91]

It ended here.

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Now shut up.

Eh I think it ended with last weekends box office.