Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread

[Stro]

How could anyone possibly be hopeful for a good new Terminator movie? You get what you deserve, binch.

[Madrun Badrun]

Can we wait until release to burst my bubble, plz?

[VomKriege]

Looking forward to the James Cameron's featurette swearing this one is really good and a return to form, like they had for every one of those sequels.

Terminator 3 was a serviceable action film but really nothing past T2 (...if even that) was really needed or necessary.

[Don Rumata]

I'm not a huge Terminator fan in the first place, but i thought T3 was pretty decent, and i didn't even hate that Salvation one, with christian Bale.
I didn't bother watching Gensys.

It's clear though, that they don't really seem to have anything to add to the franchise (past T2), it's all a rehash of nostalgia-bait and clones of old ideas.

I mean look at this trailer you have people in plain clothes walking through some woods like an indie movie trying to save money, you have old ass actors returning, you have yet another attempt at the T-1000, but with some guy that couldn't look any less threatening if they tried, and finally you have the Arnold reveal for the 50th time in a Terminator sequel (i mean seriously he was in all of them, at this point).

The femminator is kind of new in that she is one of the good guys now, which is a stretch, but at least she looks jacked, so she's still the best thing in the movie.

You could use the same argument for the new Star Wars trilogy, they have zero new ideas and rehash old actors for nostalgia bait, the only difference is that, in a shitty star wars, you still get a modicum of entertainment from the cgi, fun alien planets and vistas etc.. in a Terminator movie you get none of that, it's people driving on the highway and walking through the woods. 

[Great Rumbler]

I mean...I've seen worse. 

[Nintex]

That looks so uninspired.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

That looks so uninspired.

Uninspired will be a significant improvement over the last two movies.

[shosta]

the first terminator is better than the second

[Stro]

the first terminator is better than the second

Finally you've hit puberty

[shosta]

Finally you've hit puberty

[Stro]

I was giving you props for maturing enough to realize T1 is the best in the series, and this is how you treat me? Maybe you aren't the big boi I thought you were.

[Leadbelly]

I mean...I've seen worse. 

lol

It's like they feel The Terminator needs to be 'woke', but realised that T2 already did the strong female lead nearly 30 years ago. So now it is trying to out-woke itself by have strong female characters fucking everywhere. Fill the screen with them, that will do it.

Also, T2 is the movie I would prefer to watch if it was on. Not to say the original is a worse movie, I just find T2 to be more fun.

[Great Rumbler]

T1 and T2 are Alien and Aliens to me. Both are great in their own unique ways and I don't feel obligated to pick between them which is better.

[toku]

The action just looks bad, which is how I felt about 3 too.

I actually thought Salvation was kind of cool, but the end was awful and Common was so bad.. dude can't not sound like he's at Def Poetry Jam.

I like Salvation too. I remember reading something where Cameron was telling ppl trying to do a new T movie that you the heart of T1/T2 is the love story. Romantic in T1, familial in 2 and that was what was needed in a new one. So we get this great arc/story with moon bloodgood's character and sam worthington but it gets sidelined by Christian Bale John Connor. Bale is a great actor, John Connor is a cool hero but the movie should not have pivoted to him/been about him.

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I've heard talks/confirmations? that were was an early version of the story where he basically only shows up for a little bit then dies, and instead of dude sacrificing his heart to save him...he takes his skin/face because John Connor can't die. Thats a wild and crazy ending but I think that's more in line with the Terminator franchise mythos. The heroes sometime die, but the fight continues and so on.

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Best thing about T3 is the ending. The idea about it all just being inevitable and weathering it as best as we can. Salvation kinda hits on that a bit and so did TSCC.

I don't have anything nice to say about Genisys other than Emilia Clarke looks cute like always.

[shosta]

who could be afraid of a face like that?  

[Stro]

T1 and T2 are Alien and Aliens to me. Both are great in their own unique ways and I don't feel obligated to pick between them which is better.

There isn't really an obligation for either. The first movie in both series are clearly better and for many of the same reasons.

[VomKriege]

That Bjork cover is diarrhea 

[Don Rumata]

The perfect movie doesn't exi--



https://twitter.com/sdavidmiller/status/1131713145855193090

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Blue Is the Warmest Color was legit good, btw.

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Also usually Cannes walkout = Kino alert.

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[Philip Cardgage]

So its just Ass from Idiocracy?

[benjipwns]

the butts would have to be farting

[Philip Cardgage]

the butts would have to be farting

Are we sure they're not?

[VomKriege]

Kechiche is kind of a dick, not just to his actresses but also to the crew (up to wages and labor conditions). There were some controversies over Blue... employment practices where he was co producing and a series of incredibly shitty, misleading statements pretty much confirmed this (Basically "why do the technicians complain about, have you seen the wages in the regulatory ladder negotiated by unions ? They're fat cats" when it's not exactly a secret that a lot of people agreed to -40% or -50% deals on their wages on shoot and that overtime pay wasn't exactly forthcoming IIRC). He also seem to have an habit of changing producers and parting ways on unfriendly terms. I guess it's partly a result of his creative process : he shoots for very long, both in terms of overall principal photography total length, daily workload or takes so it's not exactly a surprise he always ahits up planning (I'd imagine much to the horror of the production) but for the very little I know of it I'm not very sympathetic.

Yet it's hard to deny he's doing something sufficiently unique and different so

[Don Rumata]

Kechiche is kind of a dick, not just to his actresses but also to the crew (up to wages and labor conditions). There were some controversies over Blue... employment practices where he was co producing and a series of incredibly shitty, misleading statements pretty much confirmed this (Basically "why do the technicians complain about, have you seen the wages in the regulatory ladder negotiated by unions ? They're fat cats" when it's not exactly a secret that a lot of people agreed to -40% or -50% deals on their wages on shoot and that overtime pay wasn't exactly forthcoming IIRC). He also seem to have an habit of changing producers and parting ways on unfriendly terms. I guess it's partly a result of his creative process : he shoots for very long, both in terms of overall principal photography total length, daily workload or takes so it's not exactly a surprise he always ahits up planning (I'd imagine much to the horror of the production) but for the very little I know of it I'm not very sympathetic.

Yet it's hard to deny he's doing something sufficiently unique and different so

None of that has to do with the quality of the film though.

Plenty of dirtbags did some of the best art in human history, though i wouldn't argue that there's a positive correlation between the two, the overlap is still pretty strong (depending on your standards of what makes you a dirtbag, ofc. ).

[benjipwns]

Are discounts for film productions not common in France? The Hollywood unions do it for almost every film that exists, that's why I claimed in the dumpster thread that film production is basically only unionized in name and by tradition rather than in reality.

I guess I always assumed that artist unions everywhere were like that.

[VomKriege]

Are discounts for film productions not common in France? The Hollywood unions do it for almost every film that exists, that's why I claimed in the dumpster thread that film production is basically only unionized in name and by tradition rather than in reality.

I guess I always assumed that artist unions everywhere were like that.

On wages ? Yeah it's pretty common. But he was commenting on a film he co produced and knew full well conditions and still went for the tired old trope of painting disaffected crew members as a bunch of wealthy hypocrites using misleading figures (since he implied they were paid the full monthly normal wage).

Kechiche is kind of a dick, not just to his actresses but also to the crew (up to wages and labor conditions). There were some controversies over Blue... employment practices where he was co producing and a series of incredibly shitty, misleading statements pretty much confirmed this (Basically "why do the technicians complain about, have you seen the wages in the regulatory ladder negotiated by unions ? They're fat cats" when it's not exactly a secret that a lot of people agreed to -40% or -50% deals on their wages on shoot and that overtime pay wasn't exactly forthcoming IIRC). He also seem to have an habit of changing producers and parting ways on unfriendly terms. I guess it's partly a result of his creative process : he shoots for very long, both in terms of overall principal photography total length, daily workload or takes so it's not exactly a surprise he always ahits up planning (I'd imagine much to the horror of the production) but for the very little I know of it I'm not very sympathetic.

Yet it's hard to deny he's doing something sufficiently unique and different so

None of that has to do with the quality of the film though.

Plenty of dirtbags did some of the best art in human history, though i wouldn't argue that there's a positive correlation between the two, the overlap is still pretty strong (depending on your standards of what makes you a dirtbag, ofc. ).

Oh sure, it's all marginal commentary, none of it about the merits of the films as films. I'm not strongly opinionated on it or anything. I just wanted to comment on that, especially on the labor issue thing which get brought much less than him being a dick to actresses.

And while I dissociate art from the creator often, still there's some link between his parti pris and approach that will have some practical, economical consequences to how the films are made and produced.

[Tasty]

Damn, guess I'm catching Rocketman sometime.

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Plus there's this: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/rocketman-blazes-trail-as-first-major-studio-film-depict-gay-male-sex-1210947

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[VomKriege]

Just to be a little exact, unions are the ones negotiating the wage scales but employment is not US style "union only on this shoot". Most crewmen (or actors) are not unionised. Grips and Gaffers have the reputation of being the loudest.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

Paramount has got some cojones to support Rocketman this way. It almost certainly won't be especially graphic, but there's punches they could have pulled regardless. I mean, hell, apparently the movie doesn't even cover at all his beard, whoops I meant marriage from the 80's.

[Stro]

Yeah gaffers are pretty shitty

[Great Rumbler]

Live-action Akira is really happening and they're planning on it being two movies:

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-05-24/live-action-akira-film-opens-on-may-21-2021/.147097

[Tasty]

Could be good, let's wait and see. I'm sure there were some reservations when the original anime adaptation was announced too. (The people who are really into the Akira manga are always REALLY into it, there doesn't seem to be a middle ground...)

[Joe Molotov]

The cool video store was having another B2G1 sale for Memorial Day, so that means time to stock up on more Blu-Rays!



The four Criterions were high on my "To Get" list and my main reason for going. They're all fantastic movies that I've seen multiple times before. But obviously you can't just get 4 things at a B2G1 sale. Drunken Master was like, I didn't even know I wanted it. It's not even on BD in the US, but they randomly had this Region Free UK import copy, and it's released by Eureka, which was a fairly well respected UK company at least the last time I was paying attention to imports. Hired to Kill, I've got no clue, but it looked fun and it was released by Arrow Video, the current undisputed champions of cult video releases. Trick r Treat is a fun movie, been meaning to pick that one up for a while. Cherry 2000 I only know the title and synopsis, but it always seemed like a movie that would be up my alley. The Emerald Forest I took a complete flier on. I know nothing about it besides what I read on the back of the box, I've never heard of it before, I have no clue how it was received at the time, it's a complete mystery. But it's directed by John Boorman and he's usually good for a laff (still need to pick up Zardoz), and I have a soft spot for 80's/90's movies of dubious quality about white people going to brown people land on a journey of self discovery, especially if that journey is described at any point by the marketing as being "erotic" (i.e. The Sheltering Sky, At Play in the Fields of the Lord, Eat Pray Love).



Sold.

[shosta]

Awesome haul. Cherry 2000 is your kind of movie. It's like A Boy and his Dog, except instead of a dog it's a sex robot. I think that's probably how the pitch went, too.

[Joe Molotov]

Majestic. When I said Eureka was one of the good ones, this is what I meant. 

[shosta]

A lot of these are good contenders for your cult movie thread.

[Joe Molotov]

I just post my cult movie ramblings in this thread now if I feel like I have anything to say. I’m not really much of a film critic, I just know what I like.

I used to buy movies because I heard they were good, or they won Oscars, or maybe I saw it at theater and it was pretty good and I felt obligated to buy it. Then before I knew it, I had stacks of DVDs that I had no interest in watching. That’s not how I roll now. I only buy the movies that match my personal aesthetic. My Blu-Ray collection is Marie Condo as fuck, I hold it to my chest and it brings me joy.

[toku]

cherry 2000 

[Don Rumata]

Could be good, let's wait and see. I'm sure there were some reservations when the original anime adaptation was announced too. (The people who are really into the Akira manga are always REALLY into it, there doesn't seem to be a middle ground...)

How do you separate Akira from Tokyo and Japan's nuclear-phobia? Not to mention their shift from old insular Japan to post-war rebellious generations, I honestly don't give a shit that they "cast asian actors" if they keep the movie in nu-Los Angeles.
The cultural foundation for the movie just ins't there.

You can do rebellious biker gangs all over the planet, but anything past that, starts to feel phony, depending on where you set it.

I am extremely skeptical because of that reason, and also because many of the scenes in the movie/manga will look stupid as shit in live action, and this is true for many adaptations.

[Tasty]

Mmmm but how much was Blade Runner changed in its adaptation...

Certainly aspects that someone might find particularly appealing about an original work might be lost in any kind of translation or transformation, but that doesn't necessarily mean derivative works have no right to exist...

[Tasty]

Meanwhile the movie will most likely be shit but both the world and I have grown too cynical...

[Spieler1]

So now it is trying to out-woke itself by have strong female characters fucking everywhere.

I was expecting something different from the trailer now

either way, those soy boy terminators with shit cgi

[Don Rumata]

Mmmm but how much was Blade Runner changed in its adaptation...

Certainly aspects that someone might find particularly appealing about an original work might be lost in any kind of translation or transformation, but that doesn't necessarily mean derivative works have no right to exist...

You're right about that, but i actually prefer it when an adaptation to a different medium tries to do something completely different, so hearing them talk about respecting the source material with this or that choice, just seems pointless.
You're not gonna set in in Japan, you're not gonna be able to replicate the animation, with live action... so do something vastly different.

I'm a defender of the Super Mario Bros movie, based on this principle (regardless of how the movie turned out), and i'm hoping at least they'll take a similar approach with this.
If they start recreating scenes to wank Akira fans off, it's just gonna turn out as a miserable disaster.
It's what made the Ghost in th Shell movie so bland, despite the amazing production work WETA put in.

[nudemacusers]

Could be good, let's wait and see. I'm sure there were some reservations when the original anime adaptation was announced too. (The people who are really into the Akira manga are always REALLY into it, there doesn't seem to be a middle ground...)

Having a director who has a strong POV and a good track restore is good; should minimize studio meddling. I’m not a stalwart for adhering to a structure across mediums, just stay true to the intent and themes. Or flip them a la starship troopers. But at least interact with them.

[Nintex]

Had a bunch of films lined up but my buddes insisted on Bumblebee.

I thought, oh god another horrid Transformers movie but it was a decent watch actually.

[Joe Molotov]

I can’t believe The Chappelle Show stole Consent Contracts from Cherry 2000.

[Transhuman]

Had a bunch of films lined up but my buddes insisted on Bumblebee.

I thought, oh god another horrid Transformers movie but it was a decent watch actually.

Hailee Steinfeld got skills

[Transhuman]

The perfect movie doesn't exi--

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https://twitter.com/sdavidmiller/status/1131713145855193090

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Blue Is the Warmest Color was legit good, btw.

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Also usually Cannes walkout = Kino alert.

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...but i'm a boob man...

 

[Joe Molotov]

[Philip Cardgage]

So The Perfection was... Fine? Visually, it did some interesting things. Narrativley too. But the execution was just good enough.

It's a decent imitation of a movie you'd see come out of Korea.

[Shaka Khan]

I'll say that John Wick 3 was the weakest of the series. That being said, I still had a good time.

I disagree. This one had the best action scenes, best villains, and the lore has gone full on Harry Potter and I'm living for it. That said, I may be watching it for different reasons than others. What made this weaker for you?

[Don Rumata]

The Love Witch

I tend to go for movies I find interesting for arbitrary reasons over whether they're good or bad, and this is one of them. The arbitrary reason here being that it uses technicolor yet it came out in 2016. That said, I can best describe the movie as meh. Anna Biller seems to apply more to the movie than what is present to me. I can understand and see where she's going with it, but ultimately it isn't really a strong film in spite of intentions and I find the execution itself to be somewhat muted even though I know a lot of work went into it.

I will say that I get her complaints of people thinking it's a Russ Meyer flick have a few screws loose. As I never got that impression. Apparently attractive women and barely softcore nudity makes it that? I can see where she's coming from there.

It was fun, but i agree on "meh" as a general impression.
The Love Witch, is going for a slightly different vibe, a cheekier one, compared to stuff like Amer or Color of her body's tears, or even Berberian Sound Studio, but Duke of Burgundy dabbles in some similar themes, with also an ironic twist (if not as obviously comedic) but it's way more compelling.

I still enjoyed it though.

[Stro]

Well, got every Godzilla movie under the sun and going to go chronologically from date of release.

Going to be skipping western ones even though the 1998 movie is a guilty pleasure. Hate the 2014 movie so definitely not doing that. Finally going to see the millennium series flicks I missed and check out Shin Gojira for the first time. Pretty excited about this as it's been a while for most of them. Also excited to check out my boy Mike Dougherty's Godzilla when I have the time and money to do so (King Ghidorah in IMAX at last )

I love that this post follows Joe's post

Don't do this, brother. 

[Stro]

If you can make it through the entire Showa Era without your brain turning to mush, I'll be amazed

[Stro]

 

[VomKriege]

Godzilla is weirdly looking thicc on those posters.

[Joe Molotov]

Godzilla is weirdly looking thicc on those posters.

oh lawd he coming

[Philip Cardgage]

[Quaker]

Gojira(1954)


Still a masterpiece.

Thank you. I was wanting to check this out for the first time before the new one(please don't suck). know it has the legacy of it "actually" being an indictment of nuclear weapons but I was skeptical and worried it'd be corny cheese.

I'll say that John Wick 3 was the weakest of the series. That being said, I still had a good time.

I disagree. This one had the best action scenes, best villains, and the lore has gone full on Harry Potter and I'm living for it. That said, I may be watching it for different reasons than others. What made this weaker for you?

Yep. I tried really hard to get into the first two and I've seen them two or three times each but I couldn't really get into them. I'd give them "A for effort" and it's great that they brought Keanu back but thought the movies think the action and lore are better and more clever or interesting than they actually are. The actual action and production came across a bit too slick(in an affected way) and cheap to me.

With 3, I still don't get why they think the lore is so interesting but I accepted it as a pretense to link these setpieces and scenarios together and I had a much better time. The actual action was clever and novel and there's a lot of it with great gunplay, hand-to-hand *and* sword/knife fighting. It was awesome seeing them give Halle Berry and Dacascos an opportunity to be badasses. They not only brought in the dudes from The Raid but actually didn't do them a diservice like that Star Wars bullshit. Probably my favorite action since The Raid 2 aside from the last Mission Impossible movies but even then those are apples and oranges.

Basically, it's fantastic as long as you don't go into it thinking you're getting good dialogue, story or characters and instead see it as really good action vignettes and setpieces with "gun wizards" and ninjas.

[BlueTsunami]

Fear and Loathing is magnitudes more amazing when you've pierced the veil and experienced the varied spectrum of emotions that tryptamines facilitate.  And yet it's the pivotal moments in Thompson's life, in history and culture, that he's most wistful about. The drugs intensify the version of you, be it at your peak or rock bottom. But you do not necessarily derive anything from the substance alone. If you're empty then the experience will be just as such.

[TEEEPO]

even as someone who can pinpoint the exact year of a godzilla design, i wouldn't marathon through any of the series. hell, godzilla's revenge is somewhat of a guilty pleasure of mine.


bless up wrath