Author Topic: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread  (Read 5210306 times)

0 Members and 26 Guests are viewing this topic.

headwalk

  • brutal deluxe
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33600 on: April 26, 2019, 08:33:49 AM »
Quote
Adults no longer outgrow comic books. Hollywood prefers that they hang on to the adolescent illusion of carefree, escapist pleasure by pretending that the form’s juvenile cynicism is a sign of sophistication — replacing the traditional sources of imaginative thinking. The cultural monopoly represented by the Marvel Cinematic Universe in its latest release, Avengers: Endgame, depends on geeked-up viewers telling themselves that they are having a major cultural experience.

like the postman, arlo white always delivers.

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33601 on: April 26, 2019, 09:49:37 AM »
Quote
Adults no longer outgrow comic books. Hollywood prefers that they hang on to the adolescent illusion of carefree, escapist pleasure by pretending that the form’s juvenile cynicism is a sign of sophistication — replacing the traditional sources of imaginative thinking. The cultural monopoly represented by the Marvel Cinematic Universe in its latest release, Avengers: Endgame, depends on geeked-up viewers telling themselves that they are having a major cultural experience.

like the postman, arlo white always delivers.

That doesn’t sound like a troll review though.

And you mean Armond White right?
IYKYK

headwalk

  • brutal deluxe
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33602 on: April 26, 2019, 10:03:23 AM »
apparently i do.

turns out arlo white is the bloke who does the commentary on pirate footy streams.

Transhuman

  • youtu.be/KCVCmGPgJS0
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33603 on: April 26, 2019, 10:16:32 AM »
Armond White's shtique seems to be that he tries to write the review that will anger the most people, but it doesn't mean he's always wrong.

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33604 on: April 26, 2019, 10:21:54 AM »
I just figured he was a troll years ago.
IYKYK

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33605 on: April 26, 2019, 10:24:59 AM »
Quote
Last year’s Infinity Wars had worked itself into a narrative corner: killing off most of the major characters for a cliffhanger. The morbidity suggested apocalypse — a comic-book parallel to the Rapture. But nothing so profoundly Christian happens in this anti-mythological jamboree. Infinity Wars triggered faux-tragic fascination. Less urgent than Han Solo’s carbon freeze in The Empire Strikes Back, it was more like the “Who Killed J. R.?” narrative cheat on the TV series Dallas. However, been-there-done-that doesn’t matter to the Star Wars–Lord of the Rings generation still caught up in toddler enthusiasm: “Do it again, Daddy!”

:dead

Quote
Infantilization is the MCU game plan. A serious publication is obligated to point out similarity to the free-college, no-student-loans, socialized-medicine political promises that stoke immaturity. Also note how Endgame secularizes religious allegories. The end-times premise is hollow, just an excuse for the usual sci-fi, CGI destruction. Even Thor’s junked-up Norse myth and Black Panther’s purely cosmetic Afrocentricity join the trend of ignoring spiritual faith and trivializing national heritage.

This fucking paragraph :dead

"But what about religion?!" :lol
« Last Edit: April 26, 2019, 10:36:50 AM by Cindi Mayweather »
IYKYK

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33606 on: April 26, 2019, 03:36:03 PM »
Endgame was pretty good. It was less busy than Infinity War with lots of emphasis on intimate character moments. It’s hard to not really get invested in the heroes lives in this one. They did a pretty good job. I’m shocked that for its running time it’s also well paced. It’s divided into three acts and each one works. It’s nice seeing call backs to previous movies. They basically took everything wrong with Infinity War and fixed it. Enjoyable stuff and looks great on an IMAX screen.
IYKYK

TVC15

  • Laugh when you can, it’s cheap medicine -LB
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33607 on: April 26, 2019, 03:39:09 PM »
I followed Cindi and Joe on Letterboxd. Anyone else here on it?

https://boxd.it/6H8v
serge

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33608 on: April 26, 2019, 03:50:22 PM »
You gave Mulholland Drive 5 stars? Ah, my favorite Lynch film.
IYKYK

TVC15

  • Laugh when you can, it’s cheap medicine -LB
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33609 on: April 26, 2019, 03:52:00 PM »
You gave Mulholland Drive 5 stars? Ah, my favorite Lynch film.

I personally like Blue Velvet more, but it’s hard to choose.
serge

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33610 on: April 26, 2019, 03:55:30 PM »
Blue Velvet is great but I didn’t find it as compelling as Mulholland Dr. I’d rewatch it constantly to understand new scenes.

My least favorite might be Wild At Heart.  Just not my taste.
IYKYK

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33611 on: April 26, 2019, 04:14:48 PM »
I followed Cindi and Joe on Letterboxd. Anyone else here on it?

https://boxd.it/6H8v
apparently i am: https://letterboxd.com/benjipwns/films/ratings/rated/5/ 8)

Quote
Adults no longer outgrow comic books. Hollywood prefers that they hang on to the adolescent illusion of carefree, escapist pleasure by pretending that the form’s juvenile cynicism is a sign of sophistication — replacing the traditional sources of imaginative thinking. The cultural monopoly represented by the Marvel Cinematic Universe in its latest release, Avengers: Endgame, depends on geeked-up viewers telling themselves that they are having a major cultural experience.

like the postman, arlo white always delivers.
The Postman probably is a better movie than Disney's Marvel's Avengers: Endgame, true
« Last Edit: April 26, 2019, 04:19:34 PM by benjipwns »

Great Rumbler

  • Dab on the sinners
  • Global Moderator
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33612 on: April 26, 2019, 04:25:36 PM »
I followed Cindi and Joe on Letterboxd. Anyone else here on it?

https://boxd.it/6H8v

Alright, I got one started:

https://letterboxd.com/GreatRumbler/

It's gonna take me a thousand years to get it all set it up, though.
dog

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33613 on: April 26, 2019, 04:34:22 PM »
Quote from: review on the front page of letterboxd
Homecoming: A Film by Beyoncé 2019
★★★★  14

looking forward to beyonce: far from home

TVC15

  • Laugh when you can, it’s cheap medicine -LB
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33614 on: April 26, 2019, 04:41:01 PM »
Blue Velvet is great but I didn’t find it as compelling as Mulholland Dr. I’d rewatch it constantly to understand new scenes.

My least favorite might be Wild At Heart.  Just not my taste.

I don’t like basically anything about Lost Highway.

Check out that “new” Blue Velvet footage if it goes up on Criterion Channel. It’s like 50 minutes of cut content and a significant portion of it is worthwhile. Like, adds to the movie worthwhile.
serge

Tasty

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33615 on: April 26, 2019, 04:49:30 PM »
Best Lynch is either Mulholland Drive or Twin Peaks The Return. Lately I've been favoring The Return more, which probably means it's time for a MD rewatch.

Tasty

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33616 on: April 26, 2019, 04:54:08 PM »
Top Tier:
- Twin Peaks: The Return
- Mulholland Drive

High Tier:
- Eraserhead
- Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
- Lost Highway

Great Tier:
- The Elephant Man
- Wild at Heart

Haven't seen Dune, Straight Story or Inland Empire yet. I've started Inland Empire a couple times (cause it seems right up my alley) but that runtime is just... very demanding, especially for a movie imposing existential terror.

TVC15

  • Laugh when you can, it’s cheap medicine -LB
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33617 on: April 26, 2019, 04:56:04 PM »
Just remember, I got to touch a lot of the TP cast at a meet and greet. I touched Sherilyn, Ray, and Madchen.



serge

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33618 on: April 26, 2019, 04:57:02 PM »
Fun fact: Steve Contra almost wasn't born because of Eraserhead.

Blue Velvet is great but I didn’t find it as compelling as Mulholland Dr. I’d rewatch it constantly to understand new scenes.

My least favorite might be Wild At Heart.  Just not my taste.

I don’t like basically anything about Lost Highway.

Check out that “new” Blue Velvet footage if it goes up on Criterion Channel. It’s like 50 minutes of cut content and a significant portion of it is worthwhile. Like, adds to the movie worthwhile.

:o

50 minutes?!
IYKYK

TVC15

  • Laugh when you can, it’s cheap medicine -LB
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33619 on: April 26, 2019, 06:33:36 PM »
Fun fact: Steve Contra almost wasn't born because of Eraserhead.

Blue Velvet is great but I didn’t find it as compelling as Mulholland Dr. I’d rewatch it constantly to understand new scenes.

My least favorite might be Wild At Heart.  Just not my taste.

I don’t like basically anything about Lost Highway.

Check out that “new” Blue Velvet footage if it goes up on Criterion Channel. It’s like 50 minutes of cut content and a significant portion of it is worthwhile. Like, adds to the movie worthwhile.

:o

50 minutes?!

It’s footage he had to cut to make his producer-mandated runtime, so at least some of it would have made it into a theoretical director’s cut.
serge

Tasty

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33620 on: April 26, 2019, 06:44:47 PM »
https://screenrant.com/x-men-dark-phoenix-third-act-reshot/

Will need to see the final movie but from my perspective right now, switching a big cosmic space battle for "Jean Grey playing with trains" doesn't seem like the right move to make if you're intending your movie to go out with a bang.

Then again, Apoc ended with a bunch of splosions and desctruction and that was a big mess...

Just on its face, a space battle sounds cooler than a train one.

Nintex

  • Finish the Fight
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33621 on: April 26, 2019, 06:49:02 PM »
The theatrical trailer for Dark Phoenix looked pretty good. I got "Days of future past" vibes, which I liked quite a bit.
🤴

Tasty

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33622 on: April 26, 2019, 06:53:09 PM »
The theatrical trailer for Dark Phoenix looked pretty good. I got "Days of future past" vibes, which I liked quite a bit.

I definitely think it's been looking more like a DoFP-type romp than an Apoc-style mess, but I'm kinda nervous Foxney at the last second was like "WAIT let's shove a bunch of reshoot material in that makes it SUPER obvious this universe is getting rebooted soon!"

Tasty

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33623 on: April 26, 2019, 06:54:45 PM »
Honestly if Apoc wasn't such a mess, this could have been a pretty great quadrilogy. Not like, matching the four Avengers movies, but I feel like people just don't care about the X-Men now, and I blame that mostly on X-Men: Apocalypse.

Man, the series was riding so fucking high after Days of Future Past too.

Fucking Bryan Singer.

BlueTsunami

  • The Muffin Man
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33624 on: April 26, 2019, 06:57:47 PM »
Blue Velvet is great but I didn’t find it as compelling as Mulholland Dr. I’d rewatch it constantly to understand new scenes.

My least favorite might be Wild At Heart.  Just not my taste.

I don’t like basically anything about Lost Highway.

Check out that “new” Blue Velvet footage if it goes up on Criterion Channel. It’s like 50 minutes of cut content and a significant portion of it is worthwhile. Like, adds to the movie worthwhile.

Fuck me. Itll be like my tenth watch
:9

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33625 on: April 26, 2019, 07:32:52 PM »
I liked First Class, but then Days Of Future Past just lost me in how Wolverine centric it was.

I do like the X-men movies tho. But then I’m a X-men Stan so it’s hard for me to not like them. I saw the Dark Phoenix trailer and I really want them to go full green Phoenix costume here. Just go full fanservice. Unfortunately I just can’t take Sansa seriously as Jean Grey and the characters look so damn young. Scott basically loses his wife. Are they even married in the movies? Haven’t seen Apoc.
IYKYK

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33626 on: April 26, 2019, 07:41:29 PM »
That green costume with the bright red, long, curly hair.



So iconic.
IYKYK

Joe Molotov

  • I'm much more humble than you would understand.
  • Administrator
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33627 on: April 26, 2019, 07:53:29 PM »
I rage quit the X-Men franchise after Last Stand and haven't watched one since (except Logan, but that barely counts).
©@©™

Tasty

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33628 on: April 26, 2019, 07:56:21 PM »
But like has Dark Phoenix been in that costume since that comic

Phoenix Force a few years ago looked pretty different

I'm OK with leaving period-only costumes in that period...

Tasty

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33629 on: April 26, 2019, 07:56:52 PM »
Last Stand is a travesty. Apoc is at least fun with great action.

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33630 on: April 26, 2019, 08:00:59 PM »
I rage quit the X-Men franchise after Last Stand and haven't watched one since (except Logan, but that barely counts).

I hated last stand so much. Check out First Class. Great reboot.
IYKYK

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33631 on: April 26, 2019, 08:05:33 PM »
IYKYK

kingv

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33632 on: April 26, 2019, 08:08:47 PM »
adds to list...



Still gotta see that. Don't Breathe remains king of this new genre.
Don't Breathe is the only one i liked, it had a bit more fun with the premise.
Quiet Place was alright, but took itself too seriously, for how dumb it was.

It comes at Night also had some of that vibe, and was also a disappointment, compared to the trailer.

Didn't even bother with The Silence (seriously, looks like dollar store version of A Quiet POlace) and Birdbox, because i gave up completely on Netflix movies.

Bird box is interesting because it has so many famous actors but still manages to feel like watching a Syfy original movie.

All Netflix originals basically feel like that to me except the cartoons (which probably already have low ass budgets).

But I figure they had to pay Sandra Bullock something to be in that movie, so it’s budget probably wasn’t THAT low. Yet here we are.

TVC15

  • Laugh when you can, it’s cheap medicine -LB
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33633 on: April 26, 2019, 08:08:48 PM »
Joe Bob night tonight :tauntaun

He read a letter from me on air a few weeks back. My god said my name. How many people can claim that?
serge

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33634 on: April 26, 2019, 08:15:07 PM »
adds to list...



Still gotta see that. Don't Breathe remains king of this new genre.
Don't Breathe is the only one i liked, it had a bit more fun with the premise.
Quiet Place was alright, but took itself too seriously, for how dumb it was.

It comes at Night also had some of that vibe, and was also a disappointment, compared to the trailer.

Didn't even bother with The Silence (seriously, looks like dollar store version of A Quiet POlace) and Birdbox, because i gave up completely on Netflix movies.

Bird box is interesting because it has so many famous actors but still manages to feel like watching a Syfy original movie.

All Netflix originals basically feel like that to me except the cartoons (which probably already have low ass budgets).

But I figure they had to pay Sandra Bullock something to be in that movie, so it’s budget probably wasn’t THAT low. Yet here we are.

That western tv show they had was good
IYKYK

BlueTsunami

  • The Muffin Man
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33635 on: April 26, 2019, 09:07:53 PM »
Started a rewatch of Tarkovskys 'Stalker' and I'm struck by the beginning.  Most films rush towards focusing on a single narrative, from the get, to capture you as quickly as possible but here, it feels like a world is opening up to you. And in that so many possibilities. I fucking love that feeling.

And its extension beyond that is odd in the best way. Like some narrative golden ratio.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2019, 09:16:21 PM by BlueTsunami »
:9

TVC15

  • Laugh when you can, it’s cheap medicine -LB
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33636 on: April 26, 2019, 09:10:11 PM »
Demon Wind is the first movie :tauntaun 🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆
serge

BlueTsunami

  • The Muffin Man
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33637 on: April 26, 2019, 09:29:24 PM »
The depths we'd dive for a semblance of inspiration. Missing the forest for the trees.

Different people in different places literally. As far as life experiences. Not representations of facets of oneself but people ready to accept different experiences.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2019, 09:35:00 PM by BlueTsunami »
:9

toku

  • 𝕩𝕩𝕩
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33638 on: April 26, 2019, 09:32:15 PM »
The depths we'd dive for a semblance of inspiration. Missing the forest for the trees.



benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33639 on: April 26, 2019, 09:51:53 PM »
speaking of avengers spoilers (like lol "spoilers" for that mess) i saw this elsewhere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Avengers:_Endgame
Quote
As with all other movies, the plot to this movie will be needed to added. But since everyone is going nuts over the spoilers of the movie, should the plot be added as soon as anyone is ready to do it (The regular Way of editing WIKIPEDIA ARTICLES) or wait for a few days until Sunday which will mean that an exception is to be followed here regarding the plot? I will add the plot upto 26th, but can wait
Quote
Please do not add any spoilers to this movie for a couple days. The Russo Brothers clearly stated that they don't want any website spoiling Endgame. Add it on the weekend or something. Respect their wishes, please
Quote
But by doing this, you ARE spoiling it for others on here. Give it some time for people to watch the movie and then post the plot. At least give it a few days.
Quote
Hi Admin,

From one Marvel Fan to another.Please remove the plot from this page as this is spoiling the endgame.

Thank you
Quote
The plot should not summarized just yet. We should show a little respect and not post it now. And there are no real solid sources to cite. You should be aware of We Do Not Post Gossip on Wikipedia. Just chill and wait a few days until we can truly verify this plot. Please be respectful. This does not put a smile on my face.
Quote
You may or may not aware of Russo brothers constant appeal to fans to not spoil Endgame even after if u saw film don't spoil it for others.

https://twitter.com/Russo_Brothers/status/1118219449570455552 As the film just premiered it not even released someone write here the whole plot and You can't say other to avoid or its here beacuse its released in some terriotory.That are very absurd excuses. Anyway as a fan its my humle request to all Marvel fans.Please don't spoil the movie.Its the result of someone' hardwork of years. Dont spoil the Hardwork. Dont spoil the efforts. Dont spoil the Endgame.
Quote
I would summarise all this in one sentence Remove spoiler plot and DontSpoilTheEndgame.
Quote
Bro in the same way no pirated film sites asked users to watch the movie on their site but aren't they are responsible for it. From your point of view all those sites are legal??
Quote
Just beacuse most of people know spoiler its not right to put it for everyone

BlueTsunami

  • The Muffin Man
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33640 on: April 26, 2019, 10:20:57 PM »
Abundance vs. Extraction.

The age of manufacturing vs. exploration
:9

Great Rumbler

  • Dab on the sinners
  • Global Moderator
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33641 on: April 26, 2019, 10:27:17 PM »
Started a rewatch of Tarkovskys 'Stalker' and I'm struck by the beginning.  Most films rush towards focusing on a single narrative, from the get, to capture you as quickly as possible but here, it feels like a world is opening up to you. And in that so many possibilities. I fucking love that feeling.

And its extension beyond that is odd in the best way. Like some narrative golden ratio.

Fun fact about Stalker: A huge portion of the movie was destroyed because the film was improperly processed, forcing Tarkovsky to fire the cinematographer and refilm everything with someone else. Apparently this version is quite a bit different from what was originally filmed.

spoiler (click to show/hide)


 :aah
[close]
dog

BlueTsunami

  • The Muffin Man
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33642 on: April 26, 2019, 10:30:03 PM »
Started a rewatch of Tarkovskys 'Stalker' and I'm struck by the beginning.  Most films rush towards focusing on a single narrative, from the get, to capture you as quickly as possible but here, it feels like a world is opening up to you. And in that so many possibilities. I fucking love that feeling.

And its extension beyond that is odd in the best way. Like some narrative golden ratio.

Fun fact about Stalker: A huge portion of the movie was destroyed because the film was improperly processed, forcing Tarkovsky to fire the cinematographer and refilm everything was someone else. Apparently this version is quite a bit different from what was originally filmed.

The form given feels earnest honestly

if I've learned anything its calculated art feels gross to me. There an element of dynamism that is absolutely needed.
:9

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33643 on: April 26, 2019, 10:40:36 PM »
Spoiler culture (or whatever it is) has gotten out of hand.
IYKYK

Joe Molotov

  • I'm much more humble than you would understand.
  • Administrator
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33644 on: April 26, 2019, 10:46:03 PM »
Blue Velvet: Criterion Blu-Ray comes out on my birthday. I know what I'm getting myself this year.
©@©™

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33645 on: April 26, 2019, 10:47:54 PM »
Blue Velvet: Criterion Blu-Ray comes out on my birthday. I know what I'm getting myself this year.
Spoiler culture (or whatever it is) has gotten out of hand.

team filler

  • filler
  • filler
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33646 on: April 27, 2019, 12:23:12 AM »
*****

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33647 on: April 27, 2019, 12:32:13 AM »


Godzilla’s trailer was something else on the imax screen. It made me wet.
IYKYK

ToxicAdam

  • captain of my capsized ship
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33648 on: April 27, 2019, 02:55:59 AM »
The Russo Bros are god-tier at pacing a movie. That was my takeaway from End Game.

kingv

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33649 on: April 27, 2019, 02:56:11 AM »
Damn an American Godzilla movie with ghost rah? Roadan, mothers, and what looked like maybe Anguillar?

I’m assuming Jet Jaguar and King Caesar obviously made the cut.

Nintex

  • Finish the Fight
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33650 on: April 27, 2019, 06:30:52 AM »
Big spoilers, but you've already seen Endgame if you are a video game player.

*Only read if you've seen the film or if you don't give a shit*

*final warning*
spoiler (click to show/hide)
The plot to Endgame is very close to the plot of OCARINA OF TIME

Think about it.

- In the 'past' stones are gathered by the heroes (Link and the sages) but Ganon steals the stones and uses them for his evil designs
- He destroys / banishes the sages who could stand against him
- The world falls into a melancholy because there's no hope against this evil

*years pass*

- Link gathers the heroes again for a final confrontation with this enemy in the future (who has already won the past)
- He manages to free his captive friends and sages who all join in for one final battle
- He finally beats the big evil and reverses the land to the way it was before the calamity

If you look at the timeline it even includes 3 different ending scenario's in which the hero either succeeds or fails
Plus he has to manipulate the outcome of past events to have a different endiing in the future
[close]
🤴

Nintex

  • Finish the Fight
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33651 on: April 27, 2019, 08:37:40 AM »
Some good points, however they can

[[[[[[[[[[HEAVY SPOILERS]]]]]]]]

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Continue with the adventures of Thorbowski, Meeg and Korg.
[close]
🤴

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33652 on: April 27, 2019, 09:16:07 AM »
do not ever read
I think time travel is almost always a dumb crutch for bad writers. But if I'm going to get particularly nerdtarded about this it's in one specific way.

Thor: Ragnarok. Best film of these in ages.

Now they go back and just pick up another Mjolnar to use.

Why would you ever choose to do this? As you note, this is now a forever solution. There's no explaining it away with some kind of future criteria when you just used it to maintain but also rewrite history to Tony Stark's wishes. You've just created an endless cycle where every character, hero and villain, are time traveling endlessly to outstep each other by a millisecond all while the universe stays static except where the winner (of which there can't be one) chooses.

This is actually the original conundrum for Kang and Dr. Doom. Kang has essentially forgotten who he originally is from all the time travel. He speculates he could be Doom and a whole bunch of others throughout time. He has no reference point to anything concrete though.

They did that for the entire universe. They imported the sliding timeline of the comics, only after they put fucking dates on every single thing.

It's hacky garbage from a specific type of conceit. They already have literal deus ex machina sitting there in the Infinity Gauntlet and namely the Time Gem (or fuck, the Reality Gem, really who needs the other gems when you've got this one?), but they do this and give it a stupid "scientific" gloss thinking they've successfully waived away the narrative problems by killing off Tony Stark the only one who made it work.

I don't particularly care about these movies too much but I was "offended" by this in a way that other "dumb blockbusters" like Star Trek 2009 and The Dark Knight Rises similarly made me hate the writers for doing unnecessary garbage they thought made their story more complex yet wrapped up everything while it actually just introduced literally every plot hole into what should have been straightforward.

But I like the individual films more than the "shared universe" of this and always did because the only "shared" part was we eventually get to see everybody fight Thanos and that was it. No theme at all. And in this case, it's actually two separate Thanoses with totally different motivations who are killed instantly by someone who comes in late without resolving anything. One who was doing everything to get the Gems for a totally stupid nonsense reason but at least was a purpose, and another one who just up and fucking time travels to the future to kill errybody. (Except Black Widow, who nobody bothers to go back and save for some reason.)

even worse, potentially the very worst
Also how about everybody coming back after FIVE YEARS of agony for their loved ones, totally fine and unaged while they lived through an apparent hell. How did nobody question this particular mechanic to the resolution? And every character literally accepts it because it's what fucking Tony Stark wants? He's dead, fuck him and whatever he built in a cave, with a box of scraps.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:umad
[close]
[close]
[close]

Joe Molotov

  • I'm much more humble than you would understand.
  • Administrator
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33653 on: April 27, 2019, 09:32:16 AM »
spoiler (click to show/hide)
When Cap was returning the Soul Gem why didn’t he pick up an extra Natasha or grab a spare Tony while he was in New York. What a dick.
[close]
©@©™

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33654 on: April 27, 2019, 09:38:13 AM »
change reality with this one weird trick

THANOS HATES HIM

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33655 on: April 27, 2019, 10:57:42 AM »
Yeah so. A day later. Had time to stir my thoughts. I really liked Endgame.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
- Fat Thor is the best.

- the intimate, somber tone of the first half is how you sell me on your story and world. The monument to the vanished really hit home. It felt like in Infinity War half the galaxy’s Population dies but it was hard to care because they only showed the heroes perishing. But the heroes are fighting for the galaxy. Hard to care for that galaxy if you don’t see it yourself. Endgame fixes this. The punches are hard and sobering. It’s hard for the high action bits to connect, of which there were many in Infinity War, without slow development. I’m glad they emphasized this in Endgame. In the end, Infinity War just felt like one giant setup movie for me which in many ways makes it worse.

- Definitive endings all around. I loved seeing Cap get to live his life with Carter like he deserved. “Proof that Tony Stark has a heart” made me cry.

- what is the point of Captain Marvel?

- The original Avengers movie was one of my favorite comic book movies at release and it still remains that because at the time it was most comic-y comic book ever made. This movie topped that shit in the best of ways.

 - Cap holding Thor’s hammer had me going wild. My man.

- Gamora’s sister made me want to die. Something about that character annoys the piss out of me.
[close]


- I was disappointed by Ultron, Civil War, and Infinity War. None of them lived up to the original Avengers movie. Endgame finally topped it.

- Unfortunately I have less interest in the Avengers going forward. I just don’t think “Avengers” with that cast. In the comics Spider-Man is an Avenger too and I don’t like it there either. But Even though Spidey is my favorite hero by 9999 times, I’ve never felt he was good at the world saving hero stuff. He’s more like Daredevil or Batman - doing street level shit. I don’t think he’s added anything to the Avengers movies so far. And the rest kind of draw an emotional blank for me. But we’ll see what they do next with the new team. I’m just not sold on them yet. There is Black Panther though so there’s that. When it comes Avengers and Avengers comics I’ve always been one biased towards Classic Avengers (Thor, Cap, Iron Man, Hulk). So it’ll be interesting how they fill in that gap next time.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2019, 11:05:24 AM by Cindi Mayweather »
IYKYK

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33656 on: April 27, 2019, 10:59:35 AM »
do not ever read
I think time travel is almost always a dumb crutch for bad writers. But if I'm going to get particularly nerdtarded about this it's in one specific way.

Thor: Ragnarok. Best film of these in ages.

Now they go back and just pick up another Mjolnar to use.

Why would you ever choose to do this? As you note, this is now a forever solution. There's no explaining it away with some kind of future criteria when you just used it to maintain but also rewrite history to Tony Stark's wishes. You've just created an endless cycle where every character, hero and villain, are time traveling endlessly to outstep each other by a millisecond all while the universe stays static except where the winner (of which there can't be one) chooses.

This is actually the original conundrum for Kang and Dr. Doom. Kang has essentially forgotten who he originally is from all the time travel. He speculates he could be Doom and a whole bunch of others throughout time. He has no reference point to anything concrete though.

They did that for the entire universe. They imported the sliding timeline of the comics, only after they put fucking dates on every single thing.

It's hacky garbage from a specific type of conceit. They already have literal deus ex machina sitting there in the Infinity Gauntlet and namely the Time Gem (or fuck, the Reality Gem, really who needs the other gems when you've got this one?), but they do this and give it a stupid "scientific" gloss thinking they've successfully waived away the narrative problems by killing off Tony Stark the only one who made it work.

I don't particularly care about these movies too much but I was "offended" by this in a way that other "dumb blockbusters" like Star Trek 2009 and The Dark Knight Rises similarly made me hate the writers for doing unnecessary garbage they thought made their story more complex yet wrapped up everything while it actually just introduced literally every plot hole into what should have been straightforward.

But I like the individual films more than the "shared universe" of this and always did because the only "shared" part was we eventually get to see everybody fight Thanos and that was it. No theme at all. And in this case, it's actually two separate Thanoses with totally different motivations who are killed instantly by someone who comes in late without resolving anything. One who was doing everything to get the Gems for a totally stupid nonsense reason but at least was a purpose, and another one who just up and fucking time travels to the future to kill errybody. (Except Black Widow, who nobody bothers to go back and save for some reason.)

even worse, potentially the very worst
Also how about everybody coming back after FIVE YEARS of agony for their loved ones, totally fine and unaged while they lived through an apparent hell. How did nobody question this particular mechanic to the resolution? And every character literally accepts it because it's what fucking Tony Stark wants? He's dead, fuck him and whatever he built in a cave, with a box of scraps.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:umad
[close]
[close]
[close]

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Time travel plays a huge part in a lot of shit this year. It’s insane. Dammit, Barry!
[close]
IYKYK

Joe Molotov

  • I'm much more humble than you would understand.
  • Administrator
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33657 on: April 27, 2019, 12:14:30 PM »
spoiler (click to show/hide)
When Cap was returning the Soul Gem why didn’t he pick up an extra Natasha or grab a spare Tony while he was in New York. What a dick.
[close]

Or erase slavery. MK11 >>>> Endgame
©@©™

Nintex

  • Finish the Fight
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33658 on: April 27, 2019, 12:16:00 PM »
do not ever read
I think time travel is almost always a dumb crutch for bad writers. But if I'm going to get particularly nerdtarded about this it's in one specific way.

Thor: Ragnarok. Best film of these in ages.

Now they go back and just pick up another Mjolnar to use.

Why would you ever choose to do this? As you note, this is now a forever solution. There's no explaining it away with some kind of future criteria when you just used it to maintain but also rewrite history to Tony Stark's wishes. You've just created an endless cycle where every character, hero and villain, are time traveling endlessly to outstep each other by a millisecond all while the universe stays static except where the winner (of which there can't be one) chooses.

This is actually the original conundrum for Kang and Dr. Doom. Kang has essentially forgotten who he originally is from all the time travel. He speculates he could be Doom and a whole bunch of others throughout time. He has no reference point to anything concrete though.

They did that for the entire universe. They imported the sliding timeline of the comics, only after they put fucking dates on every single thing.

It's hacky garbage from a specific type of conceit. They already have literal deus ex machina sitting there in the Infinity Gauntlet and namely the Time Gem (or fuck, the Reality Gem, really who needs the other gems when you've got this one?), but they do this and give it a stupid "scientific" gloss thinking they've successfully waived away the narrative problems by killing off Tony Stark the only one who made it work.

I don't particularly care about these movies too much but I was "offended" by this in a way that other "dumb blockbusters" like Star Trek 2009 and The Dark Knight Rises similarly made me hate the writers for doing unnecessary garbage they thought made their story more complex yet wrapped up everything while it actually just introduced literally every plot hole into what should have been straightforward.

But I like the individual films more than the "shared universe" of this and always did because the only "shared" part was we eventually get to see everybody fight Thanos and that was it. No theme at all. And in this case, it's actually two separate Thanoses with totally different motivations who are killed instantly by someone who comes in late without resolving anything. One who was doing everything to get the Gems for a totally stupid nonsense reason but at least was a purpose, and another one who just up and fucking time travels to the future to kill errybody. (Except Black Widow, who nobody bothers to go back and save for some reason.)

even worse, potentially the very worst
Also how about everybody coming back after FIVE YEARS of agony for their loved ones, totally fine and unaged while they lived through an apparent hell. How did nobody question this particular mechanic to the resolution? And every character literally accepts it because it's what fucking Tony Stark wants? He's dead, fuck him and whatever he built in a cave, with a box of scraps.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:umad
[close]
[close]
[close]

SPOILARS
In this movie it sorta worked to use time travel because it was the end of the entire story of these movies. The throwbacks to the old films were really well made.

When Black Widow has War Machine fight cartel bosses in Mexico, you can pretty much sense that the others have sort of given up on fixing every little thing.

For Black Widow there's no place in this post-Thanos world. She sacrificed herself to defeat the 'ultimate' evil. She will never find a bigger evil to destroy so she would forever be stuck sending War Machine around the world to deal with bad guys until he got sick of it. Never finding peace or closure. What she did 'defeated' Thanos. Her mission(to rid the world of evil) at that point was complete. She had no attachments outside of the Avengers and even if she likes Clint he already has a family and sees her more like a friend than a love interest. The same for Bruce who considers her a friend and his Hulk-syndrome makes it impossible for him to have any sort of meaningful relationships anyway. Finally there's Cap who already met the love his life and sees her more like a sister.

Overall her story arc is the saddest.

I feel that is why Captain America didn't bring her back even though he mentioned that he tried. Because in a world without Thanos and without a purpose she would've probably killed herself or somehow turned evil again.
Cap had already seen what happened when Bucky returned and even when he got back himself. He wanted to spare her that pain of feeling useless.

Captain Marvel with powers far exceeding Black Widow is already the guardian of the universe.
[close]
🤴

benjipwns

  • your bright ideas always burn me
  • Senior Member
Re: Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread
« Reply #33659 on: April 27, 2019, 12:27:37 PM »
They might explain it in her movie that's starting filming in June!