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FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2280 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:44:31 AM »

There will be Blood is amazing you guys suck at life.

Himu · « **Reply #2281 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:45:37 AM »

What

It's a good movie, but it's certainly not anything I'd want to watch again. I liked uh...what's it called, a helluva a lot more; that other overrated movie that year with the psycho killer.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #2282 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:56:35 AM »

zodiac. The reason TWBB was a good story was that it was basically only about DDL's character and it gave you a shitload of shit to tumble through your mind whenever he did a million different things to get his money and then get more money. You had to think to understand the type of character even though a lot of people would like to just write him off as a stereotype or whatever. If it didn't "elicit emotion", then you ARE DEAD (inside).

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2283 on:** December 03, 2009, 11:59:00 AM »

He's talking about no country for old men numbnuts.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #2284 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:01:44 PM »

They're both overrated movies about psycho killers mister clairvoyant moviefag.

Himu · « **Reply #2285 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:02:37 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 03, 2009, 11:59:00 AM

He's talking about no country for old men numbnuts.

Yeah. That one.

Himu · « **Reply #2286 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:04:26 PM »

Quote from: am nintenho on December 03, 2009, 11:56:35 AM

If it didn't "elicit emotion", then you ARE DEAD (inside).

Not really.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2287 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:11:25 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 03, 2009, 11:59:00 AM

He's talking about no country for old men numbnuts.

For a second I thought he was talking about Zodiac, which would qualify him for castration

TWBB

Zodiac

NCFOM

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #2288 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:26:12 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2009, 12:11:25 PM

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 03, 2009, 11:59:00 AM
He's talking about no country for old men numbnuts.

For a second I thought he was talking about Zodiac, which would qualify him for castration

TWBB
Zodiac
NCFOM

Three of the most awesome films from this entire decade.

Himu · « **Reply #2289 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:30:50 PM »

I'll agree on Zodiac.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2290 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:33:42 PM »

Zodiac was okay
No Country is kind of boring

Himu · « **Reply #2291 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:34:24 PM »

I liked No Country for the crazy assassin dude. It has decent shoot outs too.

Death Proof movie the year 2007.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2292 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:37:37 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 03, 2009, 12:34:24 PM

I liked No Country for the crazy assassin dude. It has decent shoot outs too.

Death Proof movie the year 2007.

Shit movie of the year?

Himu · « **Reply #2293 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:39:14 PM »

MOVIE OF THE YEAR

Better scene than anything in No Country, Zodiac, and whatever the fuck that other movie is. Oh right, There Will Be Blood.

[youtube=560,345]adeRvA6z5ts[/youtube]

brawndolicious · « **Reply #2294 on:** December 03, 2009, 12:52:57 PM »

Death Proof was the most overrated fucking movie ever. It was good, but not that great because:

a) How the fuck does this concept even make sense after all the grindhouse bullshit hyping they did? There's like a few seconds of violence and another few seconds of lap dancing and that's it.

b) It only had one good performance. That was also for the only well-written character.

Every other wannabe-frat-boy-with-a-vagina made me want to smack them every time they said a line.

Himu · « **Reply #2295 on:** December 03, 2009, 01:07:58 PM »

You don't understand the definition of overrated.

If anything, DP was underrated.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2296 on:** December 03, 2009, 01:40:57 PM »

Death Proof...better than Zodiac, TWBB, and NCFOM?

ok then, I'm gonna go do some homework

Himu · « **Reply #2297 on:** December 03, 2009, 02:20:27 PM »

I still don't see with the fascination and why people fap over those movies.

Good movies.

But why people hold them on such high standards, I don't know. Is it like the indie hipsters who think Franz Ferdinand is awesome?

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #2298 on:** December 03, 2009, 02:21:01 PM »

You're so out of touch, you think us indie hipsters like Franz Ferdinand.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #2299 on:** December 03, 2009, 02:25:13 PM »

Death Proof would have been so much better without the first 45 minutes of boring, contrived drivel from the girls. Gimme Kurt Russell and tension, not Tarantino's self-indulgent bullshit

Himu · « **Reply #2300 on:** December 03, 2009, 02:44:14 PM »

Indie hipsters don't like Franz Ferdinand?

News to me. Okay, Death Cab for Cutie.

Himu · « **Reply #2301 on:** December 03, 2009, 02:48:14 PM »

I don't know what these people listen to, okay?! I was just naming bands that are as shitty as possible.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #2302 on:** December 03, 2009, 02:50:41 PM »

I liked Planet Terror so much more than Death Proof. Death Proof had some parts that dragggged.

Himu · « **Reply #2303 on:** December 03, 2009, 02:55:50 PM »

What about Animal Collective?

Himu · « **Reply #2304 on:** December 03, 2009, 02:57:07 PM »

Aight, we'll go with that.

Barry Egan · « **Reply #2305 on:** December 03, 2009, 03:07:45 PM »

Franz Ferdinand's not for 15 year old girls :'(

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #2306 on:** December 03, 2009, 03:07:59 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 03, 2009, 02:20:27 PM

But why people hold them on such high standards, I don't know.

Well, all three films excel in virtually every element of movie-making from direction to writing to acting to cinematography, so...uh...why not give them praise?

Himu · « **Reply #2307 on:** December 03, 2009, 03:10:32 PM »

I said they were good movies; they deserve praise. But the pedestal some people put those movies on, ESPECIALLY There Will Be Blood, is pretty lol.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #2308 on:** December 03, 2009, 03:13:04 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 03, 2009, 03:10:32 PM

I said they were good movies; they deserve praise. But the pedestal some people put those movies on, ESPECIALLY There Will Be Blood, is pretty lol.

*shrug* It was a great movie.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #2309 on:** December 03, 2009, 03:42:44 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 03, 2009, 03:10:32 PM

I said they were good movies; they deserve praise. But the pedestal some people put those movies on, ESPECIALLY There Will Be Blood, is pretty lol.

The pedestal of "premier example of filmmaking," of course. If you don't think TWBB, No Country, or possibly even Assassination of Jesse James deserves a place on that pedestal and Death Proof does, you're pretty $:-\$

Himu · « **Reply #2310 on:** December 03, 2009, 04:36:35 PM »

I didn't say Assassination of Jesse James isn't a great movie, and I agree with Jesse James. I didn't say Death Proof was a "premier example of filmmaking", but I found it a hell of a lot more enjoyable than There Will Be Blood or No Country which are some of the more overrated and overly-praised movies this decade.

Just like with Ray, I have trouble finding a movie great when I only like one actor in it. I'd rather just read the book.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #2311 on:** December 03, 2009, 04:43:40 PM »

There's a different between movies that try to be artistic and those that try to be entertaining. Like, one movie may be about James Cameron discovering his fursona and the other may be about Tarantino giving frat-boys vaginas. Basically, you shouldn't compare something that DDL makes with something that Tarantino makes.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #2312 on:** December 03, 2009, 04:47:54 PM »

I enjoy watching bad movies and laughing at how bad they are, but I also like really well-made movies that strive for and, to some degree or another, achieve excellence as well. The more "enjoyable" movies aren't necessarily going to make my top ten lists though.

Himu · « **Reply #2313 on:** December 03, 2009, 05:25:30 PM »

Quote from: am nintenho on December 03, 2009, 04:43:40 PM

There's a different between movies that try to be artistic and those that try to be entertaining. Like, one movie may be about James Cameron discovering his fursona and the other may be about Tarantino giving frat-boys vaginas. Basically, you shouldn't compare something that DDL makes with something that Tarantino makes.

Right.

I knew you'd pull the "art" line.

I have the same problem with Lawrence of Arabia and Benjamin Button. Well acted, great production values; boring and dry as fuck.

I am completely capable of appreciating the more artistic movies. Most of my favorite movies lean on the artistic side. I am able to appreciate movies of all types, even the trashy popcorn flicks, because I treat for what they are: mindless entertainment. But putting movies like There Will Be Blood on some pedestal that disallows criticism is the problem I have with such movies and their fanbases.

I don't see the problem with comparing something Tarantino makes with something DDL makes. Especially after Inglorious Basterds. What, is Inglorious not "artistic" enough for you?

Himu · « **Reply #2314 on:** December 03, 2009, 05:34:00 PM »

I'd like to know why There Will Be Blood is supposedly more artistic than Death Proof.

twerd · « **Reply #2315 on:** December 03, 2009, 05:37:03 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 03, 2009, 05:34:00 PM

I'd like to know why There Will Be Blood is supposedly more artistic than Death Proof.

the imagery, soundtrack, storyline, characters...would you like me to continue?

death proof was a really fun movie, but it wasn't artistic.

Himu · « **Reply #2316 on:** December 03, 2009, 05:40:11 PM »

What exactly is an artistic movie then? Because that's a pretty baseless argument. You're essentially saying that you think There Will Be Blood's storyline, characters and soundtrack are better than Death Proof's; thus, DP isn't an artistic movie.

That's not even an argument.

twerd · « **Reply #2317 on:** December 03, 2009, 05:44:51 PM »

death proof is purposely cheeseball, how is that not an argument?

death proof executes very well, but it's still not as artistic as TWBB. that's not what it's setting out to do.

Himu · « **Reply #2318 on:** December 03, 2009, 05:46:08 PM »

Because it's not an argument?

There's a difference between "setting out to be as artistic as TWBB" and "DP isn't artistic".

Himu · « **Reply #2319 on:** December 03, 2009, 05:51:59 PM »

Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 03, 2009, 05:44:22 PM

Just keep going with the music analogy and it'll make sense, Himuro.

The music analogy is stupid. Music is music. I like what sounds good to my ears. Who gives a fuck.

Hitler Stole My Potato · « **Reply #2320 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:02:06 PM »

Saw Angels & Demons last night.

Dan Brown

I was going to buy it straight up just because but they didn't have any blu ray copies for sale so I just ended up renting it. Good move in hindsight. It's probably just as bad as The Da Vinci Code, imo.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #2321 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:06:06 PM »

Who gives a shit about "art." Aside from the last 20 minutes Death Proof was boring as hell.

Himu · « **Reply #2322 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:07:27 PM »

"Art"

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #2323 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:08:11 PM »

It's one of my most hated words.

Himu · « **Reply #2324 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:09:30 PM »

I know.

It's always hilarious whenever anyone brings it up in any argument. Something so subjective cannot be argued. Unless we have clear cut definitions of what art exactly is, don't bring it up.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #2325 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:10:08 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 03, 2009, 05:51:59 PM

Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 03, 2009, 05:44:22 PM
Just keep going with the music analogy and it'll make sense, Himuro.

The music analogy is stupid. Music is music. I like what sounds good to my ears. Who gives a fuck.

Well, because there's an actual theory to music development and composition, I like music that does both (appeals to my tastes without sacrificing more advanced composition techniques for music or lyrics)

Dude, read up on cinematography, or take a film class. There's a level of subjective input in terms of artistry and what you think is artistic, but there really is a method of making shit, you know, legit looking.

If it helps, I think Death Proof was very skillfully shot, as most of Tarantino's films are (Inglorious Basterds being my favorite movie to illustrate this). It just didn't help that it was an imbalanced, bottom heavy flick in terms of content, and a large disparity of quality all-around between the first half of the movie and the second half.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #2326 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:14:03 PM »

Then just say "movie x features better cinematography than movie y." Don't call it art. Art is near indefinable and only serves as a means of snobby condescension.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #2327 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:15:26 PM »

Sounds right up my ally, then.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #2328 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:17:09 PM »

twerd · « **Reply #2329 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:17:40 PM »

artistic, artful, arty, art: all different words with different connotations and multiple meanings.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #2330 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:18:18 PM »

Art (or entertainment) is anything subjectively enjoyable that has no pragmatic use at all. The difference between art and just straight up entertainment (Tarantino vs DDL again) is that you HAVE to think in order to enjoy something artistic. If you said that Linkin Park or Red Hot Chili Peppers or whatever was art, then you failed at life. You took the test and you failed.

Himuro, if you said that TWBB was an insipid, insulting, revisionist piece of post-modern shit, even though none of that makes any sense, it would make more sense than comparing it to Death Proof.

You can appreciate DP. You can hate TWBB. There's no problem with that. You just can't make a compare them on any scale in a way that any human being could understand.

Himu · « **Reply #2331 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:26:26 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on December 03, 2009, 06:10:08 PM

Quote from: Himuro on December 03, 2009, 05:51:59 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 03, 2009, 05:44:22 PM
Just keep going with the music analogy and it'll make sense, Himuro.

The music analogy is stupid. Music is music. I like what sounds good to my ears. Who gives a fuck.

Well, because there's an actual theory to music development and composition, I like music that does both (appeals to my tastes without sacrificing more advanced composition techniques for music or lyrics)

Dude, read up on cinematography, or take a film class. There's a level of subjective input in terms of artistry and what you think is artistic, but there really is a method of making shit, you know, legit looking.

If it helps, I think Death Proof was very skillfully shot, as most of Tarantino's films are (Inglorious Basterds being my favorite movie to illustrate this). It just didn't help that it was an imbalanced, bottom heavy flick in terms of content, and a large disparity of quality all-around between the first half of the movie and the second half.

I know about cinematography, editing (hell, I'm taking a fucking video editing class right now), and all that.

Your argument is weak.

And like what Bob said, what you described has nothing to do with "art" and more to do with presentation.

Himu · « **Reply #2332 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:28:45 PM »

Quote from: am nintenho on December 03, 2009, 06:18:18 PM

Art (or entertainment) is anything subjectively enjoyable that has no pragmatic use at all. The difference between art and just straight up entertainment (Tarantino vs DDL again) is that you HAVE to think in order to enjoy something artistic. If you said that Linkin Park or Red Hot Chili Peppers or whatever was art, then you failed at life. You took the test and you failed.

Himuro, if you said that TWBB was an insipid, insulting, revisionist piece of post-modern shit, even though none of that makes any sense, it would make more sense than comparing it to Death Proof.

You can appreciate DP. You can hate TWBB. There's no problem with that. You just can't make a compare them on any scale in a way that any human being could understand.

You are fucking illiterate. I never said I hated TWBB. Once again, snobby elitism on the internet shows through. If you're not jizzing on a movie, band, game you hate it.

I have clearly said that TWBB is a very good movie. I fail to see, however, how it stands as one of the best movies this decade as proposed by PD and iirc BrandNew.

Also, if you had to think when watching There Will Be Blood, you're distinguished mentally-challenged. It's very straight forward. It's not like it's 2001 or something. Likewise, I don't think DP is all that mindless. I think there are interesting themes, messages, and storytelling in the movie, albeit flawed. To me, art is all about message and nothing more.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #2333 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:33:17 PM »

I never said that you DID think it was shit, I just meant that you could think that if you wanted to. Also, I don't think too much about what's literally going on on-screen. I think about how the actors and writers and cinematographers did their job to make whateverthefuck movie. To understand the creation process behind their ideas. I don't know about you, but that shit turns cogs in my brain.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #2334 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:37:05 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on December 03, 2009, 06:26:26 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on December 03, 2009, 06:10:08 PM
Quote from: Himuro on December 03, 2009, 05:51:59 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 03, 2009, 05:44:22 PM
Just keep going with the music analogy and it'll make sense, Himuro.

The music analogy is stupid. Music is music. I like what sounds good to my ears. Who gives a fuck.

Well, because there's an actual theory to music development and composition, I like music that does both (appeals to my tastes without sacrificing more advanced composition techniques for music or lyrics)

Dude, read up on cinematography, or take a film class. There's a level of subjective input in terms of artistry and what you think is artistic, but there really is a method of making shit, you know, legit looking.

If it helps, I think Death Proof was very skillfully shot, as most of Tarantino's films are (Inglorious Basterds being my favorite movie to illustrate this). It just didn't help that it was an imbalanced, bottom heavy flick in terms of content, and a large disparity of quality all-around between the first half of the movie and the second half.

I know about cinematography, editing (hell, I'm taking a fucking video editing class right now), and all that.

Your argument is weak.

And like what Bob said, what you described has nothing to do with "art" and more to do with presentation.

To me they're one and the same, but meh, whatevs. You only like Death Proof for that hot black chick.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2335 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:40:17 PM »

I liked Death Proof quite a bit; saw it over beers at Sho Nuff's private cinemancave which helped a lot. But TWWB is in a different league altogether. I was absolutely riveted by it and still think about it on occasion. I'm not keen to see it again but only because it was so harrowing. It pisses all over conventional narrative structure, and the lead is so thoroughly detestable that it's just never going to be a fun watch. But it rewards you for every second you devote to it, unlike the vast majority of films. Two big thumbs up here.

Himu · « **Reply #2336 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:46:24 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on December 03, 2009, 06:37:05 PM

To me they're one and the same, but meh, whatevs. You only like Death Proof for that hot black chick.

You saw right through me.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #2337 on:** December 03, 2009, 07:14:23 PM »

Himuro knows about editing and cinematography.

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Himu · « **Reply #2338 on:** December 03, 2009, 07:17:47 PM »

Diunx · « **Reply #2339 on:** December 03, 2009, 07:20:15 PM »

Zombieland was pretty cool hope they do a sequel.

That little miss sunshine kid is gonna be pretty hot in a couple of years /no pedo.

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