Final Debate Thread - Open for Two Days Online - OMG RITE

[TVC15]

That was Obama's worst debate and probably (kinda by default) McCain's best.

[AdmiralViscen]

Wait where can I get a transcript?

Did McCain say that Palin's son had autism instead of Downs?

[TVC15]

Wait where can I get a transcript?

Did McCain say that Palin's son had autism instead of Downs?

Yep.

[TakingBackSunday]

That was Obama's worst debate and probably (kinda by default) McCain's best.

I don't particularly agree with that.  I thought Obama did quite well in terms of health care, the personal attack portion, and pretty much all of the last half hour.

[The Fake Shemp]

That was Obama's worst debate and probably (kinda by default) McCain's best.

Yep.  I think McCain could get a bounce from this.

[Flannel Boy]

Autism, Downs, Alzheimers, whatever

[Mr. Gundam]

Wait where can I get a transcript?

Did McCain say that Palin's son had autism instead of Downs?

Yep.

No, he didn't. It seemed like he was referring to Trig, but he was actually talking about autism because it's THE hot topic nowadays for parents who don't want to take responsibility for their child's behavior.

[The Fake Shemp]

Aren't we all autistic?

Maddow thinks this is McCain's worst debate.

[TVC15]

That was Obama's worst debate and probably (kinda by default) McCain's best.

I don't particularly agree with that.  I thought Obama did quite well in terms of health care, the personal attack portion, and pretty much all of the last half hour.

I'm not sure anyone will get a bounce.  Obama did well, but not as well as in the past 2 debates, and the smiling and laughing irked me.  He couldn't even hold it during the fucking ABORTION question.  McCain didn't do anything new at all, but he went out there with a more aggressive attitude than in previous debates, and I think that at least gets him some points.

No, he didn't. It seemed like he was referring to Trig, but he was actually talking about autism because it's THE hot topic nowadays for parents who don't want to take responsibility for their child's behavior.

He said something like "Sarah knows about autism."  That can very easily be read to be about Trig or whatever the fuck its name is.

[TakingBackSunday]

McCain's worst, according to Maddow and Matthews

[Van Cruncheon]

well, so far, msnbc has obama slaughtering mccain in the widest viewer perception gap yet

personally, i liked the smiling/laughing, because some of that crazy mccain shit demanded SOME kinda appalled response

[The Fake Shemp]

MSNBC is pretty liberal, though.

I bet Fox News has McCain up 90%!

[MrAngryFace]

Was it McCain's best debate? Did you not see him fall apart at the end of the Ayers exchange? The incoherent rambling when he ran out of arguments? I mean seriously, if you guys just want someone on stage acting like a dick in a suit im pretty sure I can find a suit.

boboob im objective because I value spirit over ability to defend oneself on legitimate issues.

[Mr. Gundam]

Aren't we all autistic?

To some extent, yep.  

I work with kids who truly have autism. I also work with whiny unmotivated asocial weirdos whose parents think they're autistic, but "can't get a diagnosis because it's too expensive."

[TakingBackSunday]

Was it McCain's best debate? Did you not see him fall apart at the end of the Ayers exchange? The incoherent rambling when he ran out of arguments? I mean seriously, if you guys just want someone on stage acting like a dick in a suit im pretty sure I can find a suit.

boboob im objective because I value spirit over ability to defend oneself on legitimate issues.

Agreed, and Matthews brought up a good point:  McCain fucked up during abortion rights

[The Fake Shemp]

This will be the turn of the tide when McCain begins his march to the White House.

[TVC15]

Was it McCain's best debate? Did you not see him fall apart at the end of the Ayers exchange? The incoherent rambling when he ran out of arguments? I mean seriously, if you guys just want someone on stage acting like a dick in a suit im pretty sure I can find a suit.

boboob im objective because I value spirit over ability to defend oneself on legitimate issues.

He did that in every debate.  Well, not specifically about Ayers, but still.  Like I said, the content was the same, but he came across as more aggressive and assertive.

Note that I'm not sayign McCain won or anything.  Just that it was Obama's weakest and McCain's strongest.

[huckleberry]

This election is so fucking over.  

 

[Flannel Boy]

McCain:
staying awake +1 point
not dying +2 points
Finding jobs for brave soldiers after combat +3 points
not calling Obama "that boy" or "that one" or "that uppity distinguished black fellow" +5 points

[MrAngryFace]

Was it Obamas weakest? I saw more actual confrontation from Obama this debate than the other two. Of course he's going to look squirrelish doing something he doesnt normally do like go aggressive in a debate. The fact he held it together as much he did in the face of SUCH UTTER BULLSHIT is a testament to his skill, and if anything I saw a bit of Biden in Obama tonight.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

McCain was assertive but he took it far too many times.  A lot of times he just looked angry, crazy, or disturbed.

Obama's smiling and laughing will catch him a bunch of shit from the right wing media as the elitist Pah-ki-stahn eloquence looking down on McCain and Joe the Plumber.

It was Obama's worst by far.  His cool demeanor was compromised by his laughing, which really doesn't fare well with any candidate.  Even with McCain's BS, he still should kept it cool the entire time.

I give this a narrow Obama victory.  There are enough takes provided by McCain's antics to make him appear to be unstable.  Not to mention some of his contradictions.

[TVC15]

We'll have to agree to disagree.  At the very least, he shouldn't have had that big toothy smile so much.

[Van Cruncheon]

i think it was mccain's worst, by far. he came across as lacking any command of his talking points, and actually seemed downright senile.

[TakingBackSunday]

Was it Obamas weakest? I saw more actual confrontation from Obama this debate than the other two. Of course he's going to look squirrelish doing something he doesnt normally do like go aggressive in a debate. The fact he held it together as much he did in the face of SUCH UTTER BULLSHIT is a testament to his skill, and if anything I saw a bit of Biden in Obama tonight.

Wow, word for word agreement.

 

I also think he did awesome against the whole personal attack part.  When he called out bullshit on the rallies, I was so pumped.

[Debaser]

Was it Obamas weakest? I saw more actual confrontation from Obama this debate than the other two. Of course he's going to look squirrelish doing something he doesnt normally do like go aggressive in a debate. The fact he held it together as much he did in the face of SUCH UTTER BULLSHIT is a testament to his skill, and if anything I saw a bit of Biden in Obama tonight.

I was saying the same thing to Patel on AIM. I think Obama has picked up Biden's shark smile.

[MrAngryFace]

More proof that Obama works WITH Biden, imo

[Mr. Gundam]

I think this was McCain's best of the three debates. I wonder how much of that was due to the fact that he got to sit the whole time instead of having to wander around aimlessly for 90 minutes?

[MrAngryFace]

Im pretty sure standing 90 minutes taxes the fuck out of a 70+ year old

[Mr. Gundam]

Im pretty sure standing 90 minutes taxes the fuck out of a 70+ year old

I think wandering around causes flashbacks to being a POW.

[MrAngryFace]

Wandering around keeps the blood from pooling with older hearts. Its a similar situation in people with POTS. The longer they stand the more anxious and jittery and uncomfortable they feel; so they start shifting feet or walking.

[Madrun Badrun]

So how did it go?  I had to fail a calc midterm so I missed it.

[The Fake Shemp]

Basically, we learned that our country's future rests on the shoulders of JOE THE PLUMBER.

[Fresh Prince]

Seems like a slight victory to either McCain or Obama whichever way you're leaning.

[TakingBackSunday]

Yaaayyy new name

[Madrun Badrun]

Joe the plumber who can't play his mortgage?  That Joe?

Don't worry my American friend.  When you guys go to third world status, I'll donate a few dollars to UNICEF. 

[Mr. Gundam]

Basically, we learned that our country's future rests on the shoulders of JOE THE PLUMBER.

Oh. My. God.



Swing Vote wasn't a comedy. It was a documentary. FROM THE FUTURE!!

Sorry I suck at this whole photo modifying stuff.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Basically, we learned that our country's future rests on the shoulders of JOE THE PLUMBER.

Oh. My. God.

Swing Vote wasn't a comedy. It was a documentary. FROM THE FUTURE!!

Sorry I suck at this whole photo modifying stuff.

I reject your lame cultural references and go obscure: Franchise

[Mr. Gundam]

Basically, we learned that our country's future rests on the shoulders of JOE THE PLUMBER.

Oh. My. God.

Swing Vote wasn't a comedy. It was a documentary. FROM THE FUTURE!!

Sorry I suck at this whole photo modifying stuff.

I reject your lame cultural references and go obscure: Franchise

I don't read scifi. Sorry.

[huckleberry]

There is no way that McCain came out of that debate with any new voters.  Incoherent ramblings are not going to get you elected this time.  This was his last shot to try to pull away some of the growing support from the Obama camp and it is going to fail - cannot wait to see the numbers after this debate.



Obama handled himself very well when explaining the Ayers connection.  The only retort that McCain could manage (after Obama explained his relationship with Ayers) was that we need to know everything - a cyclical arguement that has shown to not have much traction outside of right wing radio that keeps hammering it home.


This election is over. I hope Sarah! is packing her shit cause its a long flight back to her house overlooking Russia.  


Poor McCain.  Maybe third time will be a charm for him in 2012.    

[The Fake Shemp]

JOE THE PLUMBER FOR PRESIDENT!

[Eric P]

Basically, we learned that our country's future rests on the shoulders of JOE THE PLUMBER.

Oh. My. God.

Swing Vote wasn't a comedy. It was a documentary. FROM THE FUTURE!!

Sorry I suck at this whole photo modifying stuff.

I reject your lame cultural references and go obscure: Franchise

i love that short story

it's a shame that the complete isaac asimov died after two volumes.

bitches

WHERE HAS NO ONE PRINTED THE COMPLETE FRITZ LIEBER?

i hate everyone

[The Fake Shemp]

What does Isaac Asimov think about JOE THE PLUMBER?

[ferrarimanf355]

I'm not Joe The Plumber, btw...

[Mr. Gundam]

[ferrarimanf355]

(Image removed from quote.)

I'm dyin' here...

[Howard Alan Treesong]

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/15/politics/horserace/entry4525171.shtml

53-22 Obama

Willco wrong again

[Human Snorenado]

Obama wins big in CNN poll too

Obama 58
McCain 31

[duckman2000]

Being on the attack for the hell of it is a shit idea for debate. Being on the offensive only works when your punches connect, and can't be easily deflected and/or delivered right back with an effortless, mellow gesture. I'm really hoping Americans are smart enough to see this shit for what it is.

McCain: "Blah Joe blah"
Obama: "Incorrect, and here's why"
McCain: "Well, blah blah blah!"
Obama: "Incorrect, and here's why"
McCain: "BLAH!
Obama: "Incorrect, and here's why"

Watching the supposed "professionals" rate this debate was fucking torture. I guess the old Republican method of saying anything, truth be damned, actually works even on the weathered pros. Good grief.

[Van Cruncheon]

well, it's all over for mccain

now let's just hope america isn't too racist to elect a black president

[The Fake Shemp]

WRONG!

McCain wins!  McCain wins!

RACE RIOTS!

[Human Snorenado]

That split screen did put the fact that John McCain was the white candidate in pretty plain light, and America still didn't seem to buy him.

People don't like Grandpa McGrumpypants.

[Phoenix Dark]

George Will: Obama has mastered the art of the rope-a-dope

Couldn't agree more. Every punch McCain threw was brushed off by Obama with ease. If Obama was good at throwing punches he'd be a master debater.

Best moment: Obama's comeback on special needs education and how it would be hurt by the ridiculous spending freeze McCain proposes. McCain's comeback about Obama wanting to "throw money" at things being a bad idea was laughable.

I really thought Obama dropped the ball on Acorn. He didn't really address the issue. That could have been a fun, home run hit (say bringing up Micky Mouse and how he can't vote because he DOESN'T EXIST).

It was so obvious that Obama wanted McCain to bring up Ayers. He got to put that to bed in front of 60-70 million people.

[tiesto]

What you guys have been saying... Obama's weakest debate yet. He had his eyes shut during a lot of McCain's statements. McCain was totally on the prowl, aggressive as all hell tonight. Not that I think this debate made a difference at this point.

Watched on CBS and they actually had Joe the Plumber call in, can't recall what he said since it was loud in the room I was watching it, but I think he said "McCain came out very strong".

[MrAngryFace]

Actually not everyone's been saying this was Obama's weakest.

That being said the two worst moments for McCain, which probably killed it all for him:

1.) Ayers conversation ending on him flailing, and BAD. Who cares if he was aggressive, he was basically an 8 year old with an Apache Helicopter.

2.) The sudden promotion of the plumber to that of a corperate millionare so he would get taxed by Obama's healthcare plan.

Yes, Obama looked less at ease. Why? He doesnt do aggressive in debates. Watch the first two, WAY less confrontational and way more in his element. Biden had to deal with much of what Obama dealt with tonight, and he looked natural because that is how Biden does things. I think Obama did extremely well encountering bald face lies, while not insulting McCain, as McCain clearly did to him.

Props should not go to the asshole that manages to NATURALLY act like an asshole. Come on.

[drew]

McCain is kind of a dick.

and Joe the Plumber lives in Toledo.

[Phoenix Dark]

McCain came off angry and testy. Sure he came out swinging like I said, but he didn't do anything to change people's opinions. Hell I thought Obama dropped the ball by not retorting McCain's "if you wanted to run against Bush you should have run in 04" by not following it up with a smackdown. A 10% MAVERICK IS NO MAVERICK AT ALL. He should have said something like that.

[MrAngryFace]

Yes, he was by far the best moderator.

[Akala]

I watched the debate over with some friends. Republican friends. While they wouldn't ever vote for Obama, I'm pretty sure I can now convince them not to vote.

Every little bit counts!

[tiesto]

This debate definitely had lots of memorable lines, like the "gold plated Cadillac" one, and McCain thinking Palin's kid is autistic... but what really stood out for me was McCain trying to buy the sympathy card by saying "boo hoo some senator is talking shit about me and saying horrible things about me but you haven't denounced him for that", and then Obama was basically "I think we should focus on the economy, and not either of us getting insulted".

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

McCain now has resigned to spending the remainder of his campaign on attacks.  No more opportunities to reboot.