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I got laid off today.
« on: November 11, 2008, 12:04:45 AM »
jlahesduhaskudha budget cuts. glad I'm interviewing for a new job on friday anyway. :piss2

HOW WAS YOUR DAY MOTHERFUCKERS?
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2008, 12:07:27 AM »
look on the bright side, you probably didn't know Evilbore was nuked.

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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2008, 12:08:02 AM »
i spent my day bumming around the house n checkin irc every hour & eating chex mix like a fucking loser

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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2008, 12:08:17 AM »
I was actually at work refreshing EB all day.  :maf
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2008, 12:08:57 AM »
At first I thought the title was I Got Laid Today

sorry bro  :-\
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2008, 12:09:56 AM »
I was actually at work refreshing EB all day.  :maf

 :lol That sucks, Arby's. Hopefully friday sees you back where you want to be.

And yeah, I gotta learn to use IRC.
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2008, 12:10:05 AM »
come to think of it getting a sloppy dumpster BJ from five thai immigrants named "Thuy" would make my day. :maf
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2008, 12:10:11 AM »
jlahesduhaskudha budget cuts. glad I'm interviewing for a new job on friday anyway. :piss2

HOW WAS YOUR DAY MOTHERFUCKERS?

I totally know how you feel. I had to read GAF today.

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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2008, 12:12:02 AM »
 :lol

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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2008, 12:14:21 AM »
:zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz

WHAT THE FUCK!? fuck today
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2008, 12:14:59 AM »
i have posted that emoticon before

just goes to show how far ahead of the game i am

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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2008, 12:15:08 AM »
wrong thread
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2008, 12:15:28 AM »
I'm sorry for your loss

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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2008, 12:16:08 AM »
fuck you guys we;re here to talk about my lack of occupation :maf :maf :maf :maf

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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THE FUCK
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2008, 12:17:30 AM »
what job sector were you in
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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2008, 12:29:35 AM »
 :) :D ;) 8) ??? ::) :P :-\ :'( :azn: :cheesy:

hmm, i like these
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2008, 12:39:24 AM »
I handled all this bullshit for law school applications and tried to get into irc (I get "unable to resolve server" errors with mirc and "unable to connect" errors with irc2go grrrr)

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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2008, 12:42:34 AM »
I got laid off today.

I was actually at work refreshing EB all day.  :maf

I'm starting to see a pattern here...

Sorry to hear though Arbys. :(

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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2008, 12:53:12 AM »
what job sector were you in
I was working IT Management for a small real estate (lol) company. Ungrateful turds--after I built all their IT infrastructure, websites and shit. I seriously wanted to curbstomp the HR manager this morning.

P.S. I printed this thread for my interview on friday, hope all your tips work  :-*

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=17279.0
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2008, 12:58:01 AM »
market's pretty rough, but best of luck!!
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2008, 01:00:23 AM »
I got laid off today.

I was actually at work refreshing EB all day.  :maf

I'm starting to see a pattern here...

Sorry to hear though Arbys. :(

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TBH i'm glad i'm out of the place, don't really see any personal nor professional growth in cruising the web all day. Thanks dude.

market's pretty rough, but best of luck!!
Thanks, yeah it is, hope I don't end up being out of the loop too long.
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2008, 01:31:10 AM »
Ew, sorry to hear that man! I hope it works out for you and soon!
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2008, 07:37:21 AM »
Any of you guys know if getting unemployment insurance is a good idea?
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2008, 10:48:20 PM »
Any of you guys know if getting unemployment insurance is a good idea?

unemployment insurance?

you mean unemployment checks from the gov'nt?
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2008, 10:49:18 PM »
Any of you guys know if getting unemployment insurance is a good idea?

If you see yourself without a job for a bit, go for it. I wouldnt really expect to live off it though.
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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2008, 12:32:47 AM »
Any of you guys know if getting unemployment insurance is a good idea?

If you see yourself without a job for a bit, go for it. I wouldnt really expect to live off it though.

not really, I'm a pretty awesome guy so I can probably get a semi-decent job in oh, a month?

I was just wondering if it was standard procedure or something.
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2008, 02:31:23 AM »
not really, I'm a pretty awesome guy so I can probably get a semi-decent job in oh, a month?


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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2008, 11:52:25 AM »
:pimp: that's right.
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2008, 12:47:58 PM »
 :(

Hope you find something quickly.  Network and don't be afraid to use oral persuasion to seal the deal!
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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2008, 02:30:16 PM »
I know the feeling bro. :(

Eat an Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich to make ya feel bettah.
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2008, 01:06:04 AM »
Tomorrow's D-day. :punch

I don't even remember to answer the standard "Tell me about yourself" and "What are your weaknesses" spiels. I am FUCKED.
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2008, 01:59:44 AM »
you'll rock it. you know what you want from a job!
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« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2008, 02:10:11 AM »
I'm just worried about veering wayyyy off track from the job description (simple programming and support gig) and start discussing the other shit I can do like general IT and graphics. would it be a good idea to show the interviewers the other things I can do, or should I pipe down and let them figure that out? God I hate panel interviews.
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2008, 02:10:53 AM »
Good penis sucking is a definite plus
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Re: I got laid off today.
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2008, 02:11:37 AM »
that's already a given
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« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2008, 02:16:46 AM »
I'm just worried about veering wayyyy off track from the job description (simple programming and support gig) and start discussing the other shit I can do like general IT and graphics. would it be a good idea to show the interviewers the other things I can do, or should I pipe down and let them figure that out? God I hate panel interviews.

doesn't hurt to mention it offhand, but don't derail the interview. a "oh, and i have some experience with X and Y as well, which could apply to this job thusly <quick explanation why, then back to the question proper>"
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« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2008, 02:24:32 AM »
makes sense, thanks. while you're here prole, what would be the best way to downplay technical questions? although the job description clearly says that it's not required, the apps and stuff that the company does is done in C and aside from a couple hours worth of research and experimenting, I don't know jack about C (I know a bit of C++/Java, however). I'm kinda predicting that some douche on the panel will try and stump me with a C question.

Also, wearing a suit: good idea or bad? I'm pretty sure the corporate environment is super-casual, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to look good.

FUCK i am FREAKING OUT right now.

*EDIT* haha jinfash, I actually have a TON of similar articles printed out already, like 50 pages worth I've been reviewing. I'm batman son, i lurve prep time.
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« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2008, 02:30:17 AM »
if you don't know c, acknowedge it if a question comes up. say "i'm sorry, i'm not terribly familiar with c outside of a little experimentation with it. however, i have learned other languages like <X> and <Y> and while i understand that c presents a fair few syntactical difficulties to the programming novice, it is definitely something i would love to have the opportunity to get experience in and master." if they ask you a programming question ("whiteboard a fifo queue implementation") ask if you can code it in a language you are comfortable with.

suit: probably not for a tech job. slacks, button down shirt. tie optional (i'd say no.) iron the shirt and slacks, make sure the shoes are clean, shave and groom.
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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2008, 02:39:38 AM »
Jinfash: I'll just print out your entire post for inspiration. :-*

Prole: That's an awesome way of putting it, and I might actually use that word-for-word. :lol

Let's see, what else do I usually bomb at—that damn "what are your weaknesses?" question always gets me, mostly because I can't name any that aren't either outright lies or lame tangents that kinda-sorta sound like weaknesses but don't. "I used to be disorganized, however..." was supposed to be my canned answer, but the job description clearly states "Strong Organizational Skills" so that's probably a bad idea. I think I'm gonna say "I used to sell myself short" and go onto a spiel about how I improved my self-confidence by actually starting work in a production environment and discovering that I actually work quicker and more efficiently than I envisioned. That actually sounds pretty weak too, but I really can't think of anything else.

Also as someone who's an MIS major, I'm someone who can probably take the programming or management career path (I honestly will take any sort of training or promotion that will make me a better employee), but I don't want the interviewers to mistake that as indecisiveness.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2008, 02:42:15 AM by Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich »
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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2008, 02:45:49 AM »
yeah, those responses would make me terminate a candidate's interview post-haste
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« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2008, 02:48:12 AM »
That's what I figured. :lol
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« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2008, 02:50:14 AM »
Jinfash: I'll just print out your entire post for inspiration. :-*

Prole: That's an awesome way of putting it, and I might actually use that word-for-word. :lol

Let's see, what else do I usually bomb at—that damn "what are your weaknesses?" question always gets me, mostly because I can't name any that aren't either outright lies or lame tangents that kinda-sorta sound like weaknesses but don't. "I used to be disorganized, however..." was supposed to be my canned answer, but the job description clearly states "Strong Organizational Skills" so that's probably a bad idea. I think I'm gonna say "I used to sell myself short" and go onto a spiel about how I improved my self-confidence by actually starting work in a production environment and discovering that I actually work quicker and more efficiently than I envisioned. That actually sounds pretty weak too, but I really can't think of anything else.

Also as someone who's an MIS major, I'm someone who can probably take the programming or management career path (I honestly will take any sort of training or promotion that will make me a better employee), but I don't want the interviewers to mistake that as indecisiveness.

so what are your weaknesses? acknowledge them, throw out the creepy and concerning ones ("i like to fantasize about female coworkers beating my genitals with their shoes" or "i'm really not motivated to do any work when i'm depressed"), and rank the rest according to how damaging you think they might be with regards to the job you're applying for. after that, pick the LEAST damaging one and go with that, and find an honest but forward-thinking way to express it. for example, "i'm shy" can be LEGITIMATELY spun as "i'm a bit of a hermit, but i also really want to break out of that way of thinking and i think this job will really help me because of <X> reason". show that you know your faults, and have a quick plan to address them in the context of the position you're applying for.
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« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2008, 02:54:43 AM »
the "i sell myself short, but..." isn't bad, IF it is qualified. "i often sell myself short BECAUSE i don't like peer scrutiny" is honest, and can then be followed by "but i understand that being judged is something that is part of a team environment like this AND i've come to accept that i shouldn't be worried by praise -- in fact, positivity by example is a powerful motivational tool." that sounds insightful without being indirectly self-aggrandizing.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2008, 02:58:32 AM by Professor Prole »
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« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2008, 02:55:40 AM »
give a real weakness. your weakness is not that you're too awesome.
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« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2008, 02:55:46 AM »
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I'm pimping this in case you've missed it :P

that is worthless, awful advice, and suitable only if your interviewer is a six year old child.
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« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2008, 02:56:20 AM »
give a real weakness. your weakness is not that you're too awesome.

unless you are me.
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« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2008, 02:57:10 AM »
give a real weakness. your weakness is not that you're too awesome.

unless you are me.

half of the time.
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« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2008, 03:00:59 AM »
an honest one. we all have weaknesses. besides, do you REALLY want to work for a hiring manager who's easily bullshitted? if s/he falls for that gawp, imagine what his/her senior employees and managers are doing with him/her. you're walking right into a dead-end career working for puppet mcchucklefuck.
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« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2008, 03:08:13 AM »
That's what I figured. :lol

i was responding to jinfash, there.
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« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2008, 03:08:37 AM »
let's see, in no particular order:

1. I don't have any standardized way of naming my shit. Like I can name a working, production file "cum_erection.py" and not really care about the consequences. I've definitely improved, but I often name WIP files in NSFW manners just because I can.
2. I'm too much of a nice guy. Like one dude on the team could be fucking up badly, but I'll still try my best to cover the asshole just because I don't like dealing with all the drama associated with asking the guy to clean up his act. I guess I have trouble finding my niche and asserting myself in the workplace (don't worry, I'm not liek that IRL 8)).
3. Related to that, I'm too much of a boring stiff at work (again, not IRL), but I do warm up and "be myself" after a couple of months.
4. I rely too much on code snippets or templates I already made for myself and normally can't code from absolute scratch. I CAN however explain code relatively well, and generally know what I'm doing so I think it's some kind of psychological thing.
5. I'm kind of afraid of work-related criticism, especially regarding my work, in fact I feel that I get too defensive/discouraged about my shit sometimes.
6. I'm a pretty fast worker, so I tend to lax and cram wayyy or right before a major deadline.

HOLY SHIT those are bad.

the "i sell myself short, but..." isn't bad, IF it is qualified. "i often sell myself short BECAUSE i don't like peer scrutiny" is honest, and can then be followed by "but i understand that being judged is something that is part of a team environment like this AND i've come to accept that i shouldn't be worried by praise -- in fact, positivity by example is a powerful motivational tool." that sounds insightful without being indirectly self-aggrandizing.

Seems more in line with the answer I was thinking of, but I wonder if this shit actually flies in an actual interview (then again Prole is a pro interviewer so I guess such an answer is acceptable).
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« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2008, 03:12:35 AM »
5 and 2 are good.

1 is "creepy"; 3 is a non-issue; 4 will lead to an interview derail; and 6 could be taken as self-aggrandizement.

5 is the best. say "i am afraid of criticism, but acknowledge its importance when delivered timely and correctly, with sensitivity to the context of my work. i've worked hard throughout my career to not take it personally and see it as an opportunity for improvement -- WHEN it is clearly constructive." follow up with the awesome "as a manager, how do you deliver criticism? how do you use it as an effective tool in the workplace?" question, which will give you a 3x combo bonus.

if they ask you "how do you KNOW if it's constructive" you respond with "when it is delivered professionally and is entirely about my work, and not ME."
« Last Edit: November 14, 2008, 03:17:16 AM by Professor Prole »
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« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2008, 03:16:01 AM »
you want to demonstrate self-awareness and understanding -- that you are an adult capable of focused reflection and consideration towards your own actions and those of others, and can employ this in the context of your job. THAT is the real reason for the "what are your weaknesses" question.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2008, 03:17:54 AM by Professor Prole »
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« Reply #52 on: November 14, 2008, 03:19:31 AM »
Yeah, I always figured that question was more "show me you're able to discuss your flaws" than about figuring out what those flaws were.

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« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2008, 03:21:45 AM »
Whoa thanks, I'll keep that in mind but I'm not sure I have the skillz necessary to deliver that 3x bonus line. Just to follow-up, are you interviewer folks more partial to people that actually engage in active, flowery discussion (like someone who tends to ask counter-questions after almost every question) or do you prefer people that just pipe down and answer the questions straight? I'm figuring you're leaning on the former, but what I'm afraid of is that being mistaken for phony interest.
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« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2008, 03:23:26 AM »
both. you are who you are. flowers often grow in manure, and brevity is often the soul of wit. on the other hand, an uncomfortable silence is uncomfortable for a reason.

just answer the questions straight. think less about trying to impress, and more about the job itself.

also remember: they should hafta sell the job to you a bit, too! you are a competent candidate, and they have acknowledged that by interviewing you. don't be afraid to expect a little give from them, as well.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2008, 03:26:41 AM by Professor Prole »
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« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2008, 03:27:04 AM »
damn, I guess I'm set then, really appreciate the advice, possibly some of the best I've heard in my life. Any other random tips/pitfalls you feel like throwing out?
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« Reply #56 on: November 14, 2008, 03:29:03 AM »
only one, really: be prepared for reactions/responses from the interviewer that express some form of dissatisfaction, and be okay with that. never, ever, try to cajole the interviewer into releasing his/her dissatisfaction, because you'll inevitably tangle yourself up trying to "fix" your answer. just quickly move on.
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« Reply #57 on: November 14, 2008, 03:30:53 AM »
only one, really: br prepared for reactions/responses from the interviewer that express some form of dissatisfaction, and be okay with that. never, ever, try to cajole the interviewer into releasing his/her dissatisfaction, because you'll inevitably tangle yourself up trying to "fix" your answer. just quickly move on.

Makes sense. That's something I definitely need to look out for; like I said I enter into spin mode really quick.
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« Reply #58 on: November 14, 2008, 03:33:58 AM »
Prole's a veritable font but lemme pass this one on:

Don't focus on anticipating how the interviewer, who is a stranger to you, will react to your answers or dwelling on how they have reacted.  You don't know the person well enough to figure out the "best" answer for them.  It will just make you nervous or worse, transparently manipulative/ass-kissing.

Just answer the questions.  The reasons you think you're right for the job are the same reasons someone else should think you're right for the job 90% of the time.

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« Reply #59 on: November 14, 2008, 03:37:05 AM »
I guess I am kind of worrying myself too much, no?
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