TDK - Final Judgment - This is it?

[Himu]

i like tdk

[cool breeze]

yeah, I just watched it on blu-ray and it's as amazing as it was months ago in Imax.  Although I did notice a few things I didn't notice before, like Maggie Gyllenhall's cheeks giggling a lot when Joker grabbed her face.

[The Fake Shemp]

Speed Racer > any of the 2008 blockbusters mentioned in this thread.

I need to hear the story behind this post.

The story is that Speed Racer kicks ass.

Pretty much.

Solo you like Speed Racer more? You were one of the biggest TDK fanboys at GAF after you saw it the second time.


And TDK is my second favorite of the year so far, Rachel Getting Married is my #1. I expect Slumdog Millionaire, Milk, Curious Case of Benjamin Button, and potentially Frost/Nixon (not a Ron Howard fan but it's politics and I LOVE Frank Langella) to all beat TDK for me though. Slumdog opens here this weekend and Milk next weekend...

You are so group think sometimes.  You get all hot and bothered with blubbery Oscar bait movies.  I'd imagine if they really made Satan's Alley, it'd not only win the coveted Beijing Crying Monkey award, but get an Oscar nomination and a box office ticket courtesy of yourself.

Speed Racer was awesome.  Wachowski Bros. totally redeemed themselves after The Matrix Revolutions, which was like watching a train wreck unfold on screen.  I never walk out of films, but I was so very, very tempted.

But here they took their technical expertise and crafted a vibrant world, cleverly adapted another medium to live action and made something I had not seen in a long, long time - the family friendly epic.

[Cheebs]

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You are so group think sometimes.  You get all hot and bothered with blubbery Oscar bait movies.  I'd imagine if they really made Satan's Alley, it'd not only win the coveted Beijing Crying Monkey award, but get an Oscar nomination and a box office ticket courtesy of yourself.



[/quote] Some of them, not all. I have no interest in stuff like Revolutionary Road or Doubt which are big oscar bait movies. And I expect at the end of 2008 my favorite movie will still be Rachel Getting Married and I don't expect it to win a single oscar or be nominated for best picture or anything. And I have not liked a lot of recent big oscar winning movies like Crash, A Beautiful Mind, Titanic, Forest Gump...etc. And am not ever interested in those british drama oscar bait movies like The Queen, Atonement and shit.

Do I like a lot oscar bait movies? Sure, mostly the political ones or the indie comedies. But most of them I have little interest in.

[Phoenix Dark]

I remember you pimping Lions for Lambs before it came out

[Robo]

As a whole, this year was awful for film, particularly after how great last year was.  Here's hoping The Wrestler doesn't suck.

[The Fake Shemp]

The Wrestler will probably be the last film I see in theatres this year.

[Cheebs]

I remember you pimping Lions for Lambs before it came out

Because it was politics, I never ended up seeing it when it got shit reviews.

[Phoenix Dark]

So you admit once the establishment tells you something isn't good you avoid it instead of forming your own opinion? No wonder you love the Oscars

smh

[Cheebs]

So you admit once the establishment tells you something isn't good you avoid it instead of forming your own opinion? No wonder you love the Oscars

smh

It costs money to go to movies, if a movie is getting horrible reviews and it's not of some franchise/director/actor/etc I adore why would I waste my time? Going by your logic I should see every single movie ever.

[Cheebs]

i'll avoid any movie pimped by cheebs.  real talk.

avoid the dark knight then

[Jansen]

if i was trippin balls i'd probably think speed racer kicked ass

and TDK is a good movie. just not great like i was hoping it would be.

a couple of things that bothered me were christian bales batman voice, the couple seeing wayne going into what they thought was a safe room (wouldn't that set off a red flag when batman shows up a few seconds later?) and

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killing off twoface

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iron man, even with its few action sequences, was the better movie

and that the movie would have probably been better if it ended with Joker in the car instead of continuing on (but personally I'm glad it ended so I didn't have to wait another few years to see the rest). 

you mean when he got arrested? that probably would have been better.

[Great Rumbler]

Here's hoping The Wrestler doesn't suck.

Well, it's a 100% so far at RottenTomatoes with 29 reviews.

And Benjamin Button is at 90% with 10 reviews.

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm not saying you shouldn't avoid bad movies but if a movie looks like it'll be interesting, who the fuck cares what critics think.

I really liked The Fountain and it got killed in reviews.

[Cheebs]

I'm not saying you shouldn't avoid bad movies but if a movie looks like it'll be interesting, who the fuck cares what critics think.

I really liked The Fountain and it got killed in reviews.

I wasn't interested enough, I don't see every movie I may have had some interest in it at some point. It's not like I avoid movies or anything PD. I've seen all of these in theaters this year, a lot of them were shit as well. I am not as picky as you make it seem like lol:

The Dark Knight
Iron Man
Indiana Jones
Hancock
Wall-E
Quantum of Solace
Incredible Hulk
Wanted
Get Smart
Tropic Thunder
Don't Mess With The Zohan
Pineapple Express
Cloverfield
Forgetting Sarah Marshall
Role Models
Baby Mama
Burn After Reading
Speed Racer
Semi-Pro
Zack and Miri Make a Porno
Transporter 3
W
X-Files
Ghost Town
Religious
Be Kind, Rewind
Smart People
Rachel Getting Married

And like 5-6 more 2008 movies I saw for the first time on dvd but I dont feel like re-going through the boxofficemojo 2008 list.


See? I saw some really bad movies, I don't avoid things that aren't perfect or whatever you were trying to say. If anything I see too many movies.

[Phoenix Dark]

a bunch of summer box office movies, dumb comedies and oscar porn

[Robo]

Here's hoping The Wrestler doesn't suck.

Well, it's a 100% so far at RottenTomatoes with 29 reviews.

And Benjamin Button is at 90% with 10 reviews.

I don't expect it to suck; for releases this year, I've been forced to change the way I express my opinions on movies to: sucks, almost sucks, doesn't quite suck.

[Cheebs]

a bunch of summer box office movies, dumb comedies and oscar porn

basically all type of movies there outside of chick flicks and horror movies lol? I guess I should have seen Sex and The City and Saw V.

[Phoenix Dark]

real talk on the down low: I watched Saw II-IV and kinda...was interested. Yea they aren't good but I want to see Saw V now, just to know what happens 

[The Fake Shemp]

Only Maurice tops Cheebs in awful tastes.  He admits to hating Unforgiven and voluntarily watching all the Saw films.

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm not proud man, not proud. They were around the house, I was bored, shit just happened 

[The Fake Shemp]

Masturbate like a normal dude.  Or watch Juno, if you're Cheebs.

[Phoenix Dark]

I found myself wanting to know how each of the detectives would be caught in Jigsaw's web. The black dude went out like a bitch in IV   

My brother had warned me each one gets worse...but honestly I thought III was better than II, and IV was better than IV despite the distinguished mentally-challenged twists/exposition/dumb torture/etc

not saying they're good movies but...smh @ me

[DJ_Tet]

Masturbate like a normal dude.  Or watch Juno, if you're Cheebs.

Can't those go hand in hand?

Or penis in hand?

[TVC15]

I found the first two Saw movies entertaining enough, and I was motivated enough to check out the third one, which wasn't even entertaining, and by that point, I was curious to see how they'd continue the series after killing off the main character, so I checked out 4, which I blacked out halfway through due to heroic scotch consumption, and at this point I am not certain if  my memories of what I did see are accurate or if they are complete mental fabrications.  Is the like, main dude in it black?

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real talk:  I found those first two Saw movies just about as worthwhile as the two nu-Batman flicks

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[TakingBackSunday]

More like lol-talk

[Joe Molotov]

I watched the first Saw, and I didn't hate it, but I didn't care to see any more of it either.

[demi]

real talk on the down low: I watched Saw II-IV and kinda...was interested. Yea they aren't good but I want to see Saw V now, just to know what happens 

Nothing happens, they leave it open ended once more.

[EvilBoris]

Hopefully they release a director's cut that changes the ending (and beginning).

opening bank heist is funny, fierce.. and more lucidly shot than the later action stuff. use of narration by bank robbers to introduce the joker is good.


STRANGER

 keep it in.

[Phoenix Dark]

the beginning was great. reminded me of Heat, not only because of the bank robbery - just the whole way things were shot

[Madrun Badrun]

ya the opening was good.  The ending speech was 

[Phoenix Dark]

DENT DIED FOR YOUR SINS

[cool breeze]

YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS ARE DEAD

[Great Rumbler]

WHEREISHE

[TakingBackSunday]

YERGONNABEINAPADDEDCELLFOREVER

Quoteth my friend:

"What the fuck did he just say?"

[The Fake Shemp]

YOURTHEFIRSTRAYOFLIGHT THISCITY HASHAD INYEARS

[Phoenix Dark]

you guys see people on GAF naming the ending as not only one of the best scenes in the movies but of all time?

[TakingBackSunday]

I mean I don't mind the Dent sequence, but everything after the fall was pretty absurd.

[Phoenix Dark]

Yea, I liked Dent's confrontation with Gordon's family. But the entire monologue was stupid. Batman should be as mute as fucking Link as long as Bale is in the suit

[Great Rumbler]

you guys see people on GAF naming the ending as not only one of the best scenes in the movies but of all time?

I didn't mind the dialogue all that much, but there's no way the ending is the best of anything.

I'd probably say that the best scene in the movie was Batman confronting the Joker at the police station. Or maybe the scenes with Dent in the hospital.

[TakingBackSunday]

The part where Gordon is talking to his son, ending the movie on "a dark knight."

I mean, it was fitting I guess, but for a movie that supposedly prides itself on "realism" it seemed awfully soap opera.

[cool breeze]

the only thing that line ruined were my pants

[CHOW CHOW]

That ending line was absolutely incredible and felt so epic and got me so hyped up.  TDK is my favorite film of all-time.  It's easily the best film of the year.  Everyone will remember TDK decades from now but nobody will give a shit about The Wrassler and Slumdog Millionaire and whatever other shitty drama they're hyping up for awards this year.  The Dark Knight is one of the greatest films in the history of cinema.  I've already seen it like five times.   There are literally no boring parts.  It's an epic adventure all the way through.  Haters / contrarians / meh'ing elitists / etc., all need to fall back on this one.  TDK is a landmark film that will be remembered for all-time.  Everything about it is extraordinary.  It's an absolute masterpiece in every sense of the word.  Anyone who even hints at disagreeing with that statement should get hit by a bus. 

[Solo]

Everyone will remember TDK decades from now  

No, just no.

The last movies I recall getting this sort of fellatio en masse were the Lord of the Rings movies. And guess what? 5 years later, and there isnt anybody talking about them. And they were a MUCH bigger phenomenon than TDK. No, good sir, no one will remember TDK once it gets eclipsed. If Watchmen turns out decent, TDK will be on the backburner less than a year after it came out. And I say all this as someone who loved TDK, but jesus, get real.

If you were being sarcastic, then good on you, the joke's on me. If not, may god have mercy on your soul!

[Great Rumbler]

Everyone will remember TDK decades from now  

The last movies I recall getting this sort of fellatio en masse were the Lord of the Rings movies. And guess what? 5 years later, and there isnt anybody talking about them.

Plenty of people still talk about the Lord of the Rings movies, they just aren't being talked about by the general public. That's nothing new, though, the general public can't focus on something for more than a few days anyway.

[Cheebs]

Everyone will remember TDK decades from now  

The last movies I recall getting this sort of fellatio en masse were the Lord of the Rings movies. And guess what? 5 years later, and there isnt anybody talking about them.

Plenty of people still talk about the Lord of the Rings movies, they just aren't being talked about by the general public. That's nothing new, though, the general public can't focus on something for more than a few days anyway.

There are big huge films that the general public still references and talks about like Star Wars, Jaws...etc. Those type of films have greater interest in the general public as of 2008 than LOTR does right now I would say.

[Solo]

Everyone will remember TDK decades from now  

The last movies I recall getting this sort of fellatio en masse were the Lord of the Rings movies. And guess what? 5 years later, and there isnt anybody talking about them.

Plenty of people still talk about the Lord of the Rings movies, they just aren't being talked about by the general public. That's nothing new, though, the general public can't focus on something for more than a few days anyway.

There are big huge films that the general public still references and talks about like Star Wars, Jaws...etc. Those type of films have greater interest in the general public as of 2008 than LOTR does right now I would say.

Thats what Im saying - in no way, shape or form have any of these modern blockbusters penetrated into pop culture like the Star Wars' or Jaws' of the world. TDK is currently getting all the love, but its not like S-M in 2002, S-M2 in 2004, and BB in 2005 didnt get the same treatment. In this genre more than any other, the time from being on top of the mountain to being toppled and thrown out the window seems very short. Thats why I said that if Watchmen delivers, it will take the title of BEST COMIC MOVIE EVAR until the next thing tops it.

[Solo]

I honestly don't think TDK will be the staple every fan wants it to be, nor will it be forgettable. What I mean is that if 10 years from now I look back and come up with the best movie of the decade TDK wouldn't be in the top of my list but at the same time if someone asks me what's the best movie of '08 I might remember it.

btw what's S-M?

That seems about right, actually. Nice way of putting it.

S-M = Spider-Man (I was trying to limit my post to recent comic book movies).

[TakingBackSunday]

Ah see, I disagree with you Solo.  But I mean, it's not that I think you're wrong, but for me and my group of friends, going to see TDK and the whole experience of it all was one of the most fun days I've ever had, and I ended up really fucking loving the movie.  I'll remember it my entire life, and I'm still of the opinion it's the best comic book flick ever made to this point.  But I guess I understand your point.

And I still talk about the Lord of the Rings.  :'(

Actually what I think you need to consider is that the movies you're referencing about being "talked about" came from an entirely different generation of filmmakers and audiences.  It's the baby boomers nostalgia-fapping, mostly.  When we get to that age, I'm sure we'll all have that same quality, while when Miley Cyrus gives us an Oscar winning performance as a cumdodger, we'll all be "no one will speak of this next year."

[Eric P]

hey, i was just discussing the false and condescending nostalgia for a pastoral existence inherent in the Lord of the Rings with a friend last night.

[TakingBackSunday]

I watched the Appendices discs for Fellowship last night

[Van Cruncheon]

i fucked a hobbit's anus last night

it doesn't take 300 years and a dark cave to make 'em GOLLUM, by the by

just an abuse of the one ring

[Great Rumbler]

Everyone will remember TDK decades from now  

The last movies I recall getting this sort of fellatio en masse were the Lord of the Rings movies. And guess what? 5 years later, and there isnt anybody talking about them.

Plenty of people still talk about the Lord of the Rings movies, they just aren't being talked about by the general public. That's nothing new, though, the general public can't focus on something for more than a few days anyway.

There are big huge films that the general public still references and talks about like Star Wars, Jaws...etc. Those type of films have greater interest in the general public as of 2008 than LOTR does right now I would say.

Thats what Im saying - in no way, shape or form have any of these modern blockbusters penetrated into pop culture like the Star Wars' or Jaws' of the world. TDK is currently getting all the love, but its not like S-M in 2002, S-M2 in 2004, and BB in 2005 didnt get the same treatment. In this genre more than any other, the time from being on top of the mountain to being toppled and thrown out the window seems very short. Thats why I said that if Watchmen delivers, it will take the title of BEST COMIC MOVIE EVAR until the next thing tops it.

The thing about those movies [Star Wars and Jaws] is that we grew up with them. They were childhood staples that captured our imagination and ,now that we're older, we continue to look back them fondly as better movies from better times.

I think the reason that LotR isn't viewed in the same way is because it's still too recent. It's not far enough in the foggy, nostalgic past to illicit the same emotional resonance that those other movies do. And maybe it never will, maybe in ten year's time we'll all forget about those movies and fawn over the latest big-budget blockbuster. But remember that Jaws and Star Wars were also, at one time, just big-budget summer blockbusters.

[Phoenix Dark]

Everyone will remember TDK decades from now 

No, just no.

The last movies I recall getting this sort of fellatio en masse were the Lord of the Rings movies. And guess what? 5 years later, and there isnt anybody talking about them. And they were a MUCH bigger phenomenon than TDK. No, good sir, no one will remember TDK once it gets eclipsed. If Watchmen turns out decent, TDK will be on the backburner less than a year after it came out. And I say all this as someone who loved TDK, but jesus, get real.

If you were being sarcastic, then good on you, the joke's on me. If not, may god have mercy on your soul!

Huh? The comparison doesn't make much sense. What is your definition of "no one is talking about them" or is it simply more bullshit, like your quest to belittle TDK?

Will TDK be remembered? Who knows. What's the last movie that came out which people are still "talking" about?

Let some time go by before dismissing LOTR. It'll dominate Blu Ray whenver it comes out. It's not going to disappear from the public conscious anytime soon.

[cool breeze]

I honestly don't think TDK will be the staple every fan wants it to be, nor will it be forgettable. What I mean is that if 10 years from now I look back and come up with the best movie of the decade TDK wouldn't be in the top of my list but at the same time if someone asks me what's the best movie of '08 I might remember it.

but that's me, so...

TDK will probably always be one of my favorite movies because I'm a huge Batman fan, but I think the masses will remember it for being successful reboot of a franchise that essentially started a trend.  I can only hope that Burton's Batman films and now mixed together with Forever and Robin as 'old inferior' batman movies' when people talk about Batman movies from now on.

[Phoenix Dark]

Another thing: LOTR dominated a genre that's been very popular for years and will continue to be (fantasy). Comic book films don't have the same impact, outside of the first Superman really.

[Great Rumbler]

Everyone will remember TDK decades from now 

No, just no.

The last movies I recall getting this sort of fellatio en masse were the Lord of the Rings movies. And guess what? 5 years later, and there isnt anybody talking about them. And they were a MUCH bigger phenomenon than TDK. No, good sir, no one will remember TDK once it gets eclipsed. If Watchmen turns out decent, TDK will be on the backburner less than a year after it came out. And I say all this as someone who loved TDK, but jesus, get real.

If you were being sarcastic, then good on you, the joke's on me. If not, may god have mercy on your soul!

Let some time go by before dismissing LOTR. It'll dominate Blu Ray whenver it comes out. It's not going to disappear from the public conscious anytime soon.

And there's going to be two new LotR movies hitting in 2011 and 2012.

[TakingBackSunday]

[Great Rumbler]

My man Guillermo's gonna bring the lightning and thunder. Believe it.

[Phoenix Dark]

My man Guillermo's gonna bring the lightning and thunder. Believe it.

Without question

The films are going to be popular for a long time. They define a genre for an entire new generation of movie viewers, every film was well accepted by critics and (more importantly) film goers, as evident by each film surpassing the other's gross in an era where multiple film franchises/trilogies often run out of gas/people lose interest by the second (Matrix) or third film