Author Topic: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics (Read 1870806 times)

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #1740 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:45:31 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:38:28 PM

MSNBC are mocking jindal lol

They aren't the only ones. Go check out some conservative blogs. Good grief that was a bomb.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #1741 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:48:38 PM »

Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:45:31 PM

Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:38:28 PM
MSNBC are mocking jindal lol

They aren't the only ones. Go check out some conservative blogs. Good grief that was a bomb.

I can't decide what my favorite part was- a Republican pointing to Katrina mismanagement as an example of poor government or the fact that Jindal, who no doubt enabled Bush and the GOP leadership by voting for whatever they wanted, saying that Republicans just "went along" with all that wasteful spending. Like they weren't in charge or something. That was cute.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #1742 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:51:34 PM »

Quote from: Mamacint on February 24, 2009, 10:43:19 PM

Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:37:15 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 24, 2009, 10:35:42 PM
Anyone who is 40+ but still looks like they're wearing their Dad's suit will never be president.
He is in his mid 30's.
I sometimes hate the web because you have to properly wiki every word of your post rather than throwing things out for natural discussion.

That's a tremendous pet peeve of mine, too. Especially when you create a post with about 5 or 6 points and then same jackhole invalidates the entire thing because you get one fact wrong.

Jindal did alright. The only thing ever dynamic about him was his heritage and age. His ideas are all party line stuff .. nothing revolutionary. People forget that Slick Willy bombed his first time on the national stage ... these guys can improve over time.

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #1743 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:53:39 PM »

Summary:

OBAMA

JINDAL

(yes that was shamelessly stolen from gaf)

Brehvolution · « **Reply #1744 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:54:12 PM »

Obama

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #1745 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:54:18 PM »

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 10:51:34 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on February 24, 2009, 10:43:19 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:37:15 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 24, 2009, 10:35:42 PM
Anyone who is 40+ but still looks like they're wearing their Dad's suit will never be president.
He is in his mid 30's.
I sometimes hate the web because you have to properly wiki every word of your post rather than throwing things out for natural discussion.

That's a tremendous pet peeve of mine, too. Especially when you create a post with about 5 or 6 points and then same jackhole invalidates the entire thing because you get one fact wrong.

According to the AP, you're supposed to spell out five and six.

Cheebs · « **Reply #1746 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:56:36 PM »

Having Bush give the republican response would probably have been less of a clusterfuck than that weird Jindal speech.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #1747 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:57:01 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on February 24, 2009, 10:54:18 PM

According to the AP, you're supposed to spell out five and six.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #1748 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:57:34 PM »

Steele gonna impose a punishment on Bobby J.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #1749 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:57:34 PM »

They should have got the weird woman who thought Obama was an Arab at one of McCain's rallies give the rebuttal, it would have at least been entertaining.

Cheebs · « **Reply #1750 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:59:21 PM »

Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 24, 2009, 10:57:34 PM

They should have got the weird woman who thought Obama was an Arab at one of McCain's rallies give the rebuttal, it would have at least been entertaining.

Speaking of her did any of you guys see that HBO doc. by Pelosi's daughter where she went to Palin and McCain rallies and asked them about Obama.

It was an hour of insanely racist and absurdly stupid comments from Republicans. It was both painful and amazing. It was on a few days ago.

Hitler Stole My Potato · « **Reply #1751 on:** February 24, 2009, 10:59:38 PM »

Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:45:31 PM

Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:38:28 PM
MSNBC are mocking jindal lol

They aren't the only ones. Go check out some conservative blogs. Good grief that was a bomb.

The focal group on Fox seems to like the guy. A lot.

It blows my fucking ming how anyone could possibly think he did a good job or even an adequate one but Fox knows how to find 'em.

Cheebs · « **Reply #1752 on:** February 24, 2009, 11:00:54 PM »

Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on February 24, 2009, 10:59:38 PM

Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:38:28 PM
MSNBC are mocking jindal lol

They aren't the only ones. Go check out some conservative blogs. Good grief that was a bomb.

The focal group on Fox seems to like the guy. A lot.

It blows my fucking ming how anyone could possibly think he did a good job or even an adequate one but Fox knows how to find 'em.

There was something off about that group. They praised him for showing "patriotism". And 90% of that panel was against the stimulus when polls show like 60%+ are for it. It was weird.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #1753 on:** February 24, 2009, 11:06:16 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 11:00:54 PM

Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on February 24, 2009, 10:59:38 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:38:28 PM
MSNBC are mocking jindal lol

They aren't the only ones. Go check out some conservative blogs. Good grief that was a bomb.

The focal group on Fox seems to like the guy. A lot.

It blows my fucking ming how anyone could possibly think he did a good job or even an adequate one but Fox knows how to find 'em.

There was something off about that group. They praised him for showing "patriotism". And 90% of that panel was against the stimulus when polls show like 60%+ are for it. It was weird.

Sounds fair and balanced to me.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #1754 on:** February 24, 2009, 11:08:30 PM »

non-sequitur .. but made me laff.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #1755 on:** February 24, 2009, 11:16:26 PM »

I'm all for Republican self-delusion.

It's been their most powerful weapon for years, though it really only worked short-term. It might get a President a second term under the right conditions (a terrorist attack that let's them wag their Jingoism cock unimpeded) while Democrats are over thinking things and are unsuccessfully getting mealy mouthed with "logic" and "proper governance" and shit.

Still, Republicans actually saying fuck it, we're all about the lulz caught up to them a lot sooner than I thought it would. If Jindal was supposed to lead them out of the wilderness then lolol. If they now have to turn to Palin instead then lololololol.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #1756 on:** February 24, 2009, 11:23:09 PM »

Nate Silver brought the ether to the Jindal response:

Quote

If it sounds like Jindal is targeting his speech to a room full of fourth graders, that's because he is. They might be the next people to actually vote for Republicans again.

Fuck owned.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #1757 on:** February 24, 2009, 11:28:59 PM »

I thought 538 would die off a bit until the next election. I assumed Nate Silver would find some new obsession to occupy his brain at least until the elections in 2 years.

Glad to see he's keeping it up.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #1758 on:** February 24, 2009, 11:30:27 PM »

CNN did a national snap poll after the speech.

lolololololol

Brehvolution · « **Reply #1759 on:** February 24, 2009, 11:33:29 PM »

lool @ oppose.

It is comforting to seee the opposition at such an irrelevant minority.

Eric P · « **Reply #1760 on:** February 24, 2009, 11:34:17 PM »

i thought snap polls are irrelevant though

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #1761 on:** February 24, 2009, 11:39:10 PM »

Quote from: Eric P on February 24, 2009, 11:34:17 PM

i thought snap polls are irrelevant though

Not when they support your side.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #1762 on:** February 24, 2009, 11:39:19 PM »

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #1763 on:** February 24, 2009, 11:41:17 PM »

Ugh, gtfo with that Ron Paul shit. I don't go into your wingnut threads and shit it up with relevant posts, you could at least do the same in reverse.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #1764 on:** February 24, 2009, 11:52:26 PM »

I was out, what's the best place to watch the speech and the response in full?

Mandark · « **Reply #1765 on:** February 25, 2009, 12:06:51 AM »

Skimming last few pages...

There are still people who think the Cuba embargo is good policy? Rilly?

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #1766 on:** February 25, 2009, 12:09:36 AM »

Quote from: Mandark on February 25, 2009, 12:06:51 AM

Skimming last few pages...

There are still people who think the Cuba embargo is good policy? Rilly?

I was only half watching the speech but did that come up?

Seems like people stressing about Cuba are a bunch of dead-enders trying to fight battles resolved 20 years ago.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #1767 on:** February 25, 2009, 12:13:28 AM »

CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS NEVER FORGET

Mandark · « **Reply #1768 on:** February 25, 2009, 12:27:46 AM »

Quote from: Mamacint on February 25, 2009, 12:09:36 AM

Quote from: Mandark on February 25, 2009, 12:06:51 AM
Skimming last few pages...

There are still people who think the Cuba embargo is good policy? Rilly?
I was only half watching the speech but did that come up?

Seems like people stressing about Cuba are a bunch of dead-enders trying to fight battles resolved 20 years ago.

A mild liberalization of the embargo is tucked away into a big spending bill, and TA thought it was worthy of bolding.

Cuba policy is essentially written for hardline anti-Castro Cuban emigrants, and while I see where they're coming from (big land disputes trigger really primal reactions in people), it's a complete joke from any other perspective. The whole thing should be chucked out the window.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #1769 on:** February 25, 2009, 12:47:52 AM »

Apartheid in South Africa was pretty awesome. Why didn't we just relax the trade rules with them back in the late 80's? Let bygones be bygones .. quit fighting battles that were resolved years ago.

We already relaxed trade with Cuba in 2000. They can buy our medicine and food .. they are just too poor to do it. Fuck em. I haven't seen the nuts and bolts of this new measure, but I'm guessing it will allow for our banks to extend Cuba credit. So, if you're in favor of enriching Castro's giant slave plantation, more power to ya.

Mandark · « **Reply #1770 on:** February 25, 2009, 01:27:04 AM »

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2009, 11:02:16 AM

That's why you are a democrat cheebs. As long as someone does it under the guise of "doing something good" all the negative consequences or other malfeasances can be somehow excused.

I think Christians do the same kind mental gymnastics.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #1771 on:** February 25, 2009, 01:33:03 AM »

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #1772 on:** February 25, 2009, 01:58:09 AM »

Michelle Bernard defending the Katrina point
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/29379000#29380015

I've always liked getting hearing her opinion but this defense was pathetic victim blaming. Katrina is an example of government failing sure, but using that to justify this notion that "government in your life=bad" boggles my mind; seemed to bother Matthews as well but I'd imagine he didn't feel he could respond to such a racial comment.

Of course many people should have tried to get out of the city, but it was the government's job to assist them and they failed miserably - from the state government not mobilizing buses to the federal governments dropping the ball on everything else.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #1773 on:** February 25, 2009, 02:15:31 AM »

Local and state governments dropped the ball for decades before the disaster took place. They frequently diverted money away from levee projects for other infrastructure things. Lack of adequate routes out of NO, lack of a cohesive evacuation plane (when almost every city in Florida has one) and lack of leadership up to the event.

Casinos, sport stadiums and an aquarium all received more funds and attention than the levees did.

So, from Jindal's perspective, Democrats DID drop the ball with Katrina. They owned LA politics for generations and generations. Its just not accepted from Democrats outside of the area because they believe that big brother should take care of everything.

While the Bush adminstration did divert money away from the levees to fund the Iraq war, even if the money were spent there .. it would not have been in enough time. Nor would the existing plans been enough to hold Katrina back if they were built in time.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #1774 on:** February 25, 2009, 02:25:09 AM »

I don't think he was blaming democrats for Katrina, neither am I blaming republicans over it. Instead he justified his leeriness of government meddling with the example of the Katrina fuck up...a false analogy.

Bush was put in a tough situation, trying to fix a problem that had been brewing for decades - but that doesn't excuse the piss poor response. People can hate government all they want but when disaster strikes, it's the government who's supposed to be there - and ready - to address the situation.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #1775 on:** February 25, 2009, 02:31:05 AM »

Ya, you are right, he was blaming big government in general. Katrina was the perfect analogy. Decades of government neglect helped cause the problem. Then when the thing fell to shit, they responded slow and wasted millions of dollars in attempts to clean it up.

Sounds pretty close to the financial disaster we just went through.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #1776 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:17:58 AM »

Jindal's rebuttal made me feel giddy. Yet another GOP "leader" who falls far short of the hype. It won't matter because conservatards will be hyping his rebuttal and promoting him as the next big thing. Since the GOP's inspirational leadership is so sorely lacking these days, I can see a lot of GOP members overlooking his embarrassing speech and glorifying some of the things that he said. I don't think this speech will do much damage to him in the long run. Republicans have short term memories.

gibletsngravy · « **Reply #1777 on:** February 25, 2009, 07:04:05 AM »

[youtube=560,345]HVievy8bySA[/youtube]

Cheebs · « **Reply #1778 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:28:44 AM »

Quote from: T EXP on February 25, 2009, 06:17:58 AM

Jindal's rebuttal made me feel giddy. Yet another GOP "leader" who falls far short of the hype. It won't matter because conservatards will be hyping his rebuttal and promoting him as the next big thing. Since the GOP's inspirational leadership is so sorely lacking these days, I can see a lot of GOP members overlooking his embarrassing speech and glorifying some of the things that he said. I don't think this speech will do much damage to him in the long run. Republicans have short term memories.

The GOP aren't hyping it. Republican blogs said he bombed, fox news said he was terrible, ed rolling a Republican was asked about it and said "Good night for Sarah Palin.". No way to spin how he did.

Oh and this is a lovely change. 2006 to today:

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #1779 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:38:24 AM »

Any picture with Nancy Pelosi in it is not an upgrade.

Cheebs · « **Reply #1780 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:40:11 AM »

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 09:38:24 AM

Any picture with Nancy Pelosi in it is not an upgrade.

She is more doable than Dennis Hastert.

ShogunOfFear · « **Reply #1781 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:41:48 AM »

Obama's tie is red. Undercover republican confirmed!

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #1782 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:53:15 AM »

Finally caught his speech on youtube. No mention of nuclear power, clean coal or oil refineries in his energy policy last night. Thinking you can throw billions of dollars into the money pit that is solar/wind and that will magically improve their efficiency to match exisiting technologies is laughable.

It should be a 70/30 scenerio. Where the majority is spent on existing technologies that have already been proven viable and can help us in the next few decades .. then a smaller amount spent on the research for renewables that will be used in the future.

Also, cap and trade? What a joke.

Ganhyun · « **Reply #1783 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:53:58 AM »

Quote from: ShogunOfFear on February 25, 2009, 09:41:48 AM

Obama's tie is red. Undercover republican confirmed!

Bush's tie is blue. Undercover Democrat confirmed!

Eric P · « **Reply #1784 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:57:24 AM »

Quote from: Ganhyun on February 25, 2009, 09:53:58 AM

Quote from: ShogunOfFear on February 25, 2009, 09:41:48 AM
Obama's tie is red. Undercover republican confirmed!

Bush's tie is blue. Undercover Democrat confirmed!

the illuminati, it seems, is not without a sense of humor

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #1785 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:13:19 AM »

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 09:53:15 AM

Finally caught his speech on youtube. No mention of nuclear power, clean coal or oil refineries in his energy policy last night. Thinking you can throw billions of dollars into the money pit that is solar/wind and that will magically improve their efficiency to match exisiting technologies is laughable.

It should be a 70/30 scenerio. Where the majority is spent on existing technologies that have already been proven viable and can help us in the next few decades .. then a smaller amount spent on the research for renewables that will be used in the future.

Also, cap and trade? What a joke.

proven viable... clean coal...

DOES NOT COMPUTE!

America should probably overcome our stigma re: nuclear power. Personally I think we should just dump all the waste into Wyoming, preferably after we build a wall around it and stick all the Libertarians in there.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #1786 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:14:11 AM »

Quote from: Ganhyun on February 25, 2009, 09:53:58 AM

Quote from: ShogunOfFear on February 25, 2009, 09:41:48 AM
Obama's tie is red. Undercover republican confirmed!

Bush's tie is blue. Undercover Democrat confirmed!

Bobby Jindal's tie is candy cane striped. Undercover Indian Santa Claus confirmed!

Cheebs · « **Reply #1787 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:14:53 AM »

I remember Obama getting shit from Hillary and Edwards in the primary debates for being too pro-nuclear. What ever happened to that?

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #1788 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:39:33 AM »

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 09:53:15 AM

Also, cap and trade? What a joke.

Indeed:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/23/glover-carbon-market-pollution

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #1789 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:41:26 AM »

While I don't particularly think cap and trade is the best thing ever, I think there should just be really obnoxious taxes on carbon emissions. I wonder which you guys would prefer.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #1790 on:** February 25, 2009, 11:05:15 AM »

Quote

proven viable... clean coal...

DOES NOT COMPUTE!

Sure it does. There are plenty of technolgies that exist to make burning coal more efficient and cleaner. Subsidizing business expenses in making this a reality are dollars well spent. It doesn't get a lot of support because it would only favor a very few handful of states. The other congress people would rather see the money spent on new renewable energy plants built in their backyard.

Quote

While I don't particularly think cap and trade is the best thing ever, I think there should just be really obnoxious taxes on carbon emissions. I wonder which you guys would prefer.

How about neither.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #1791 on:** February 25, 2009, 11:09:48 AM »

Still running with the head in the sand crowd, huh?

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #1792 on:** February 25, 2009, 11:20:09 AM »

I'm a crazy loon that still values our barely-there manufacturing base, believes in fair taxation and is still waiting for the smoking gun in the AGW scam.

It doesn't even matter .. Obama will never win over democrats in some northern states to get it passed.

Cheebs · « **Reply #1793 on:** February 25, 2009, 11:24:50 AM »

Future of the GOP right here folks:

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #1794 on:** February 25, 2009, 11:33:39 AM »

That pic is begging for a quick cut to Chris Hansen coming from behind a door

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #1795 on:** February 25, 2009, 01:17:37 PM »

[youtube=560,345]wROwWvq6zvw[/youtube]

Eric P · « **Reply #1796 on:** February 25, 2009, 01:29:38 PM »

PATEL!

PHILIP JOSE FARMER HAS DIED.

IS THIS TRAGEDY NOT ENOUGH TO RETURN YOU TO OUR LOVING EMBRACE?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #1797 on:** February 25, 2009, 01:33:30 PM »

[youtube=560,345]hDMKivm79Bs[/youtube]

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #1798 on:** February 25, 2009, 02:27:58 PM »

David Brooks (lol) spits the ether.

[youtube=560,345]Q2ztrF253DE[/youtube]

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #1799 on:** February 25, 2009, 02:37:46 PM »

Brazilian Carnival queen paints Obama on her mostly nekkid body

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/22/nude-carnival-queen-vivia_n_168923.html

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