Author Topic: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report! (Read 46225 times)

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #420 on:** January 04, 2010, 08:58:01 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on January 04, 2010, 08:48:07 PM

Or - gasp! - Beltre is really not that good.

By basically any metric -- Plus/Minus, UZR, or even fans' scouting report -- he's an insane third baseman. If he goes back to his usual average or slightly-above-average hitting self (or even if he has another down year, really), he'll be more than worth it.

I'd link to the fans' scouting report, but The Book blog seems to be down.

Edit: http://www.tangotiger.net/scout/index5.php

BUT, a lot of Mariners fans voted.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #421 on:** January 04, 2010, 10:11:56 PM »

He is a streaky player who was downright awful last year and not really great the two seasons before that. He's a good defensive player, but there are maybe fifteen third basemen that are ranked ahead of him in terms of OBP/BA/HRs/etc. This is less money than he could have gotten from arbitration, but Fenway is a good place to boost his numbers so he can get a bigger deal. But he can't possibly secure crazy "insane" third basemen money at 31-years-old next season.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #422 on:** January 04, 2010, 10:14:12 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on January 04, 2010, 10:11:56 PM

He is a streaky player who was downright awful last year and not really great the two seasons before that.

Fine, you want to focus on just offense, that's cool.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #423 on:** January 04, 2010, 10:16:28 PM »

I just said he's a good defensive player!

... but like, how much money do you think a streaky hitter is worth? One who is 30-years-old and coming off his worst season?

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #424 on:** January 04, 2010, 10:19:10 PM »

I guess he could really go either way, but that's the beauty of a one-year deal. Apparently there's a $1 million buyout if he totally bombs out.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #425 on:** January 04, 2010, 10:25:54 PM »

Rumblings of a Castillo-Lowell swap. Didn't Lowell just, uh, fail a physical? NO PROBLEM, says Omar Minaya.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #426 on:** January 04, 2010, 10:29:56 PM »

Yeah, I read that. Omar Minaya is dumb. Every time I feel bad that it'll be at least two years before the Nationals have the talent to really compete, I read about the Mets and it makes me feel better.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #427 on:** January 04, 2010, 10:31:24 PM »

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-alnl-gap-a-gm-disparity

Quote

The Worst: Oh boy… This was surprisingly (and depressingly) easy. In no particular order, the Frightful Five are: Dayton Moore (KCA), Omar Minaya (NYM), Ed Wade (HOU), Ned Colletti (LAN), and Brian Sabean (SFN). Seeing those names together gives “Murderer’s Row” a new meaning.

:'(

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #428 on:** January 04, 2010, 10:43:57 PM »

I've been impressed with Rizzo so far. Bowden was compelling, in that you had no fucking clue what he was going to do any particular offseason. He was almost like a carnival barker.

Rizzo is not as splashy, but he seems focused on just creating a solid team with a modest payroll and building up from there. I can get behind that.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #429 on:** January 04, 2010, 11:49:39 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on January 04, 2010, 10:43:57 PM

Rizzo is not as splashy, but he seems focused on just creating a solid team with a modest payroll and building up from there. I can get behind that.

Yeah, it's not like he's pretending they are going to compete for a playoff spot anytime soon, but the Nats are looking like they might be respectable next year. When do you think Strasburg will make his ML debut?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #430 on:** January 05, 2010, 12:04:46 AM »

If his rehab goes through, I expect him sometime in September.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #431 on:** January 05, 2010, 12:08:47 AM »

Wait, wait, rehab? I knew he got hurt -- but I guess I don't know exactly what happened. I thought it was a minor thing.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #432 on:** January 05, 2010, 12:16:06 AM »

He's doing physical therapy. He should be fine by Spring Training, which would put him on a trajectory for a September call-up. If his knee is still bothering him past Spring Training, I don't expect him to see the ballpark this year.

And word is that Nats are still trying to sign Orlando Hudson, and might be interested in Joel Piniero.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #433 on:** January 05, 2010, 12:21:59 AM »

Strasburg is gonna be Mark Prior II: Electric Bugaloo, except without any ML success. Book it!

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #434 on:** January 05, 2010, 12:22:33 AM »

Ah, that makes sense with Strasburg.

And I think that's what Minaya is *trying* to do with this Castillo-Lowell trade. The Red Sox would HAVE to pay a good amount of his salary for it to make any sense at all. Then Minaya would no doubt go out and get Hudson. As for Pineiro, the Mets are running out of pitching options...if the Nats signed him... Minaya would end up signing Pedro in retaliation.

Edit: So you assume his arm is going to implode before he ever reaches the big leagues then, Triumph?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #435 on:** January 05, 2010, 12:24:08 AM »

Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 05, 2010, 12:21:59 AM

Strasburg is gonna be Mark Prior II: Electric Bugaloo, except without any ML success. Book it!

who the fuck is mark prior

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #436 on:** January 05, 2010, 02:17:35 AM »

I'm pretty sure that within two years time Strasburg will be retired without ever throwing more than 20 innings in either AAA or the majors.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #437 on:** January 05, 2010, 10:08:53 AM »

If I was a Braves fan, I'd probably pray for that too.

... Just think, when Strasburg strikes out every guy in your lineup, you'll go, "DAMN YOU WILL FEDERMAN!"

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #438 on:** January 05, 2010, 10:09:21 AM »

p.s. the real hot shot will be Drew Storen, who I think will make the roster

pollo · « **Reply #439 on:** January 05, 2010, 11:11:15 AM »

Jason Bay getting presented with a Rangers Jersey

LOST METS!

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #440 on:** January 05, 2010, 11:49:15 PM »

Damn, Holliday got $120 million.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #441 on:** January 06, 2010, 02:14:14 AM »

I guess Boras just redeemed his offseason.

Anyway

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Dude is disgustingly good, holy shit.

I want someone to make one of these for Rolen.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #442 on:** January 06, 2010, 02:34:23 AM »

I want to see one for Capt. Jetes, I need the laugh.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #443 on:** January 06, 2010, 02:34:50 AM »

That's easily the stupidest fucking word filter ever, but it's still hilarious.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #444 on:** January 06, 2010, 02:38:01 AM »

Jewco should have used the old Dugout names. HOMOSEXUAL-ROD was always a favorite.

Pour one out for the Dugout, before they sold out and had to remove the funny.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #445 on:** January 06, 2010, 02:38:56 AM »

Yeah, I haven't even bothered checking it out in a long time.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #446 on:** January 06, 2010, 02:41:31 AM »

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #447 on:** January 06, 2010, 02:00:16 PM »

2010 Hall of Fame inductees:
Andre Dawson

That's it.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #448 on:** January 06, 2010, 02:08:31 PM »

Andre Dawson has been named to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

The vote: Andre Dawson 420 (77.9%), Bert Blyleven 400 (74.2%), Roberto Alomar 397 (73.7%), Jack Morris 282 (52.3%), Barry Larkin 278 (51.6%), Lee Smith 255 (47.3%), Edgar Martinez 195 (36.2%), Tim Raines 164 (30.4%), Mark McGwire 128 (23.7%), Alan Trammell 121 (22.4%), Fred McGriff 116 (21.5%), Don Mattingly 87 (16.1%), Dave Parker 82 (15.2%), Dale Murphy 63 (11.7%), Harold Baines 33 (6.1%), Andres Galarraga 22 (4.1%), Robin Ventura 7 (1.3%), Ellis Burks 2 (0.4%), Eric Karros 2 (0.4%), Kevin Appier 1 (0.2%), Pat Hentgen 1 (0.2%), David Segui 1 (0.2%), Mike Jackson 0, Ray Lankford 0, Shane Reynolds 0, Todd Zeile 0.

fail

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #449 on:** January 06, 2010, 02:10:48 PM »

Raines, Alomar, Blyleven, Larkin, McGwire, Trammell, and Martinez are more deserving.

pollo · « **Reply #450 on:** January 06, 2010, 02:17:37 PM »

career 118 OPS+

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #451 on:** January 06, 2010, 03:22:41 PM »

so fucking bad

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #452 on:** January 06, 2010, 03:24:04 PM »

oh and if i hear someone say blyleven is a compiler and not a hall of famer and then say glavine is a first-ballot no-doubt hall of famer, i'm going to punch them in the fucking mouth

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #453 on:** January 06, 2010, 03:27:07 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on January 06, 2010, 03:24:04 PM

oh and if i hear someone say blyleven is a compiler and not a hall of famer and then say glavine is a first-ballot no-doubt hall of famer, i'm going to punch them in the fucking mouth

Glavine won two Cy Young awards and has a ring, tho.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #454 on:** January 06, 2010, 03:27:53 PM »

jesus fucking christ the same distinguished mentally-challenged fellows who vote for the hall of fame vote for the cy young this is why the whole thing is a disaster

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #455 on:** January 06, 2010, 03:30:18 PM »

who the fuck is tom glavine

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #456 on:** January 06, 2010, 03:31:31 PM »

I'm not saying they're not distinguished mentally-challenged fellows and that Blyleven doesn't belong in the hall (he does) but there are arguments, however flawed, for saying Glavine > Blyleven. Glavine won more games in fewer years, had more individual accolades and has a ring. All that counts, as much as you don't want it to.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #457 on:** January 06, 2010, 03:32:10 PM »

Blyleven has two rings, more strikeouts, less walks, and more 1-0 victories than anyone in 80 years. I only bring up Glavine because the two of them have exactly the same ERA+.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #458 on:** January 06, 2010, 03:32:21 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on January 06, 2010, 03:30:18 PM

who the fuck is tom glavine

I don't know, who the fuck is Joe Gibbs? Some old mormon or something?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #459 on:** January 06, 2010, 03:33:26 PM »

who the fuck is joe gibbs

Is he that NASCAR guy?

I only know Richie Petibon, Norv Turner, Terry Robiski, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, some old dude that looked my aunt, and Jim Zorn.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #460 on:** January 06, 2010, 03:36:03 PM »

And I think it's obvious that I hate Glavine.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #461 on:** January 06, 2010, 03:38:12 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on January 06, 2010, 03:36:03 PM

And I think it's obvious that I hate Glavine.

You're just pissed because he crapped the bed for the Mets, and usually against the Braves. Even you can admit that he belongs in the HoF. I mean, it's not like he's JETER or anything.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #462 on:** January 06, 2010, 03:39:52 PM »

Oh, I never meant to argue that Glavine didn't deserve it. Just arguing for Blyleven, comparing him to a guy that will get in first-ballot due to 300 WINS OMG

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #463 on:** January 06, 2010, 03:41:17 PM »

Nah, I know. And I agree. Blyleven is gonna look even better when people like Schilling start getting in.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #464 on:** January 06, 2010, 03:46:36 PM »

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #465 on:** January 06, 2010, 04:27:23 PM »

Way to kill the thread with those colorful graphs, Malek.

Gruco · « **Reply #466 on:** January 06, 2010, 07:43:56 PM »

There is a case for putting Glavine over Blyleven, mostly on the breadth of his career numbers. Bother are pretty open and shut cases, either way. I honestly don't know who I'd say is better.

Glavine:
Black Ink   Pitching - 29 (53), Average HOFer ≈ 40
Gray Ink   Pitching - 202 (39), Average HOFer ≈ 185
Hall of Fame Monitor   Pitching - 176 (29), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards   Pitching - 52 (31), Average HOFer ≈ 50
Fibonacci: 258.1

Blyleven:
Black Ink   Pitching - 16 (134), Average HOFer ≈ 40
Gray Ink   Pitching - 240 (25), Average HOFer ≈ 185
Hall of Fame Monitor   Pitching - 120 (69), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards   Pitching - 50 (38), Average HOFer ≈ 50
Fibonacci: 190.4

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #467 on:** January 06, 2010, 07:49:21 PM »

Yes, but what about their intangibles?

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #468 on:** January 06, 2010, 07:50:19 PM »

Who was more feared?

Gruco · « **Reply #469 on:** January 06, 2010, 07:53:24 PM »

Glavine had the intangibles and Blyleven was more feared. It's a wash!

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #470 on:** January 06, 2010, 08:09:39 PM »

Gruco has been a valuable contributor to the Bore.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #471 on:** January 06, 2010, 08:50:11 PM »

Ah fuck, apparently the Braves have signed Eric Hinske. WTF, we're obviously not trying to compete.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #472 on:** January 06, 2010, 08:54:18 PM »

Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 06, 2010, 08:50:11 PM

Ah fuck, apparently the Braves have signed Eric Hinske. WTF, obviously we're going to the WS

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #473 on:** January 06, 2010, 08:58:38 PM »

True.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #474 on:** January 07, 2010, 10:50:33 AM »

Dawson is in, but nobody else? Hall of Fame is a joke.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #475 on:** January 07, 2010, 11:25:18 AM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2010, 10:50:33 AM

Dawson is in, but nobody else? Hall of Fame is a joke.

Some of the baseball writers are self-absorbed jerks who refuse to vote anyone in on the first ballot. Last night on the local sports radio, they said that five guys didn't vote for Hank Aaron when he was inducted.

Who the hell wouldn't vote in Hank Aaron?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #476 on:** January 07, 2010, 12:00:59 PM »

Yeah, I heard like five ballots were left completely blank. Why? Fucking take away those guys ballots forever.

The Hall is a joke. Totally busted.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #477 on:** January 07, 2010, 01:44:31 PM »

Listening to sports radio today, MLB and NPB are talking about setting up a global series pitting each league's champions against one another. So basically it would be the Giants, Tigers or Fighters vs. a major league team each year.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #478 on:** January 07, 2010, 02:35:55 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on January 07, 2010, 12:00:59 PM

Yeah, I heard like five ballots were left completely blank. Why? Fucking take away those guys ballots forever.

The Hall is a joke. Totally busted.

The other day on Around the Horn Mariotti said he didn't vote for anybody this year, so there you go. Of course a) it's Jay Mariotti and he's a noted asshole, b) he just said he didn't bother voting, not that he sent in a blank ballot. But yeah, as a whole baseball writers are actually dumber than political writers, which is quite a feat. Then there's George Will, who writes about both.

Of course, there are lots of writers who would be eligible to vote whose papers or what have you don't let them vote. David O'Brien, the Braves beat writer for the AJC can't vote because of that. None of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution guys can. So you're missing out on some sanity in the voting.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #479 on:** January 07, 2010, 02:38:28 PM »

The Washington Post doesn't let their writers vote, either. One of their big guys was on KJR-AM last night talking about it.

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Author Topic: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report! (Read 46225 times)