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« Reply #540 on: March 09, 2009, 07:51:23 PM »
Batman would double fist slam that pet dragon off a ledge

NO HE WOULDN'T!

he'd hurt it so bad that PETA will be all up in his business

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« Reply #541 on: March 09, 2009, 07:53:52 PM »
Just stop.

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I've put two reasons forth why Bubastis' appearance is not important. If you care to ignore them, that's fine with me.

It seems like it's crazy fine, the way you want to keep arguing with me

Is it not possible that Veidt could have created his pet in some other way? Some way that's not tied to the squid? I think that's wholly plausible given the fantastical nature of the Watchmen movie's world.

Sure, it totally could! Just don't worry about explaining it, just go along for the ride.

(Also: Please see "artistic license." Thanks!)

(See also: fuck you and your condescending bullshit)
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« Reply #542 on: March 09, 2009, 07:55:20 PM »
Batman would double fist slam that pet dragon off a ledge

NO HE WOULDN'T!

he'd hurt it so bad that PETA will be all up in his business


he wouldn't hurt no dragon!!!!!
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« Reply #543 on: March 09, 2009, 08:19:40 PM »


(See also: fuck you and your condescending bullshit)

Apologies. I oftentimes feel I have to talk to comic fans like they're emotionally and intellectually shriveled children.

Bubastis really needs no explanation, Corny.

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« Reply #544 on: March 09, 2009, 08:30:39 PM »
The cat?  That's what this has come down to now, the fucking cat? In a world where a Dr. Manhattan exists, the cat is hard to swallow and makes no sense?

Get real: if people are checking out of Watchmen, it's not because of the cat. And let's be honest people: thanks to American public schooling, most of the audience probably just thinks it's some exotic animal they've never seen before.



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« Reply #545 on: March 09, 2009, 08:36:49 PM »
The cat was dumb and that's just one item in a list of dumb inclusions and dumb exclusions.
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« Reply #546 on: March 09, 2009, 09:13:03 PM »
I honestly thought it was just a tie-dyed lynx or something that the rich dude kept around for shits and giggles.

After Manhattan left to Mars though, it seemed to me for like 20 minutes that he blew up NYC instead or something.  That was the one part where I got kind of confused.

The hippy lynx wasn't that big of a deal in a movie about ALL THAT FICTIONAL SHIT though.  I mean, just stand back and think about how many outrageously unrealistic concepts there are and understand that it's not about fitting the source material in just under 3 hours.  Not about communicating all of its depth and messages about the the different characters.  It's just for fun.  I'll probably read the comics now since they seem pretty well written but this movie stands up on its own as far as I'm concerned.

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« Reply #547 on: March 09, 2009, 09:16:01 PM »
It's by no means a deal breaker (and despite Corny's butthurt pleas, I've always stated that the film is not a trainwreck), it's just symptomatic of how the screenplay fell apart when they began to cram stuff from the novel into the film for shits and giggles (as you so eloquently put it).

This movie does not stand up on its own.  It's a disjointed mess.
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« Reply #548 on: March 09, 2009, 09:19:55 PM »
Well if folks have resorted to complaining about Bubastis it looks like the movie is worth seeing.

It's not awful, just not very good.  If you read the novel, you'll get a kick out of seeing some sequences visualized on the big screen.
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« Reply #549 on: March 09, 2009, 09:21:04 PM »
I mean that t's probably not a great watchmen adaptation but it's a good comic book movie.

I would never compare a comic book movie against the original comic storylines.  Especially when it has a lot of intertwining storylines and characters that the mainstream doesn't really know anything about.

The movie is definitely worth seeing just for the visuals imo.  Since I didn't read the books, I had a fun time learning the general storyline although it did feel some aspects were glossed over.  The movie would probably make you at least a tiny bit butthurt if you read the original comic though.

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« Reply #550 on: March 09, 2009, 09:35:46 PM »
I've read it a number of times, and i can typically divorce adaptations from source material.  But if nerds are arguing minutae, it obviously struck a nerve somewhere.
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« Reply #551 on: March 09, 2009, 09:42:19 PM »
I've read it a number of times, and i can typically divorce adaptations from source material.  But if nerds are arguing minutae, it obviously struck a nerve somewhere.

You obviously haven't really read any of the criticisms.  Folks aren't upset about the source material being butchered or what have you - the movie is just not very good.

It tries to be the novel, way too hard, and stumbles as a result.  There is not a cohesive narrative.
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cool breeze

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« Reply #552 on: March 09, 2009, 09:43:23 PM »
I've read it a number of times, and i can typically divorce adaptations from source material.  But if nerds are arguing minutae, it obviously struck a nerve somewhere.

But most problems with Bubastis are still there even if you weren't aware of her role in the book.  It a minor complaint and there are many more important ones that were already brought up.

And if you're not eager to see the movie, I would say that it's worth holding off until the longer directors cut is out.

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« Reply #553 on: March 09, 2009, 09:45:14 PM »
Yeah, I'd agree.  If you can wait, I'd nab the Director's Cut.  But as Synthesizer Patel stated, I'm not sure how much Black Freighter and newsstand footage that Snyder could insert would fix most of the film's problems.
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« Reply #554 on: March 09, 2009, 09:51:51 PM »
The movie spends so much time establishing all the characters and their motivations  and the situation (the first two issues of the comic amount for nearly half the run-time) that it feels like more of an origin story that anything else. An origin story for a bunch of one-short characters.
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« Reply #555 on: March 09, 2009, 10:11:50 PM »
I just don't understand how the film was incoherent.  are you implying that it wasn't well paced? Bloated perhaps?  There's certainly something to be said for that.  But there was a clear plot thread from the beginning of the film to the climax, so I'm not sure incoherent is the right word.

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« Reply #556 on: March 09, 2009, 10:21:42 PM »
I just don't understand how the film was incoherent.  are you implying that it wasn't well paced? Bloated perhaps?  There's certainly something to be said for that.  But there was a clear plot thread from the beginning of the film to the climax, so I'm not sure incoherent is the right word.

My girlfriend hadn't read a word of Watchmen, and she found it easy to follow and really good. Granted, that's only one opinion... kinda like Wilco's.

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« Reply #557 on: March 09, 2009, 10:22:54 PM »
I just don't understand how the film was incoherent.  are you implying that it wasn't well paced? Bloated perhaps?  There's certainly something to be said for that.  But there was a clear plot thread from the beginning of the film to the climax, so I'm not sure incoherent is the right word.

My girlfriend hadn't read a word of Watchmen, and she found it easy to follow and really good. Granted, that's only one opinion... kinda like Wilco's.

My wife was also able to follow the film just fine, and she's never read the comic.
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« Reply #558 on: March 09, 2009, 10:28:13 PM »
You can have an incoherent film and still understand what it's about - it just makes it a poor film.

The film had an incoherent narrative.  It stumbles with its changes.  The funeral sequence in particular was incredibly disjointed.

I really don't know how you could claim it wasn't disjointed, even if you liked it.  I'd understand if folks dig the film, at its worse, it retains elements of the novel that are worthy of discussion, but objectively - the film is disjointed.
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« Reply #559 on: March 09, 2009, 10:30:27 PM »
your wives and girlfriends are whores
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« Reply #560 on: March 09, 2009, 10:37:53 PM »
if i state an opinon in bold it becomes fact.
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« Reply #561 on: March 09, 2009, 10:38:41 PM »
your wives and girlfriends are whores

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« Reply #562 on: March 09, 2009, 10:44:36 PM »
i'm rewatching the Dr. M monologue/origin scenes and I can't get over how fucking perfect it is.
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« Reply #563 on: March 09, 2009, 10:48:01 PM »
So let me get this straight: you're pirating Watchmen, a movie that you love and is in need of all the box office help it can get?

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« Reply #564 on: March 09, 2009, 10:51:41 PM »
i don't really care how much help the movie needs.
i wanted to rewatch some scenes and i'm not interested in going to the theater again
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« Reply #565 on: March 09, 2009, 10:53:58 PM »
your wives and girlfriends are bloated, aging whores

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« Reply #566 on: March 09, 2009, 11:04:51 PM »
The first 5 minutes of it are so good. It's all I've seen of the movie though :lol

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« Reply #567 on: March 09, 2009, 11:14:30 PM »
The credits are arguably the best part of the film.
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« Reply #568 on: March 09, 2009, 11:21:42 PM »
Yes, the opening credits rock.

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« Reply #569 on: March 09, 2009, 11:24:41 PM »
i'm rewatching the Dr. M monologue/origin scenes and I can't get over how fucking perfect it is.

They totally nailed this scene.  I keep on fluctuating over whether the entire film would have benefited more from having an entirely 'Phillip Glass-esque' epic soundtrack or whether they made the right choice by tethering most of the music to the films alternate history narrative.

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« Reply #570 on: March 09, 2009, 11:31:15 PM »
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cool breeze

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« Reply #571 on: March 09, 2009, 11:41:33 PM »
yeah, the intro sequence was awesome.  Of scenes actually created for the movie, it was easily the best of the two I actually liked.  The other scene I liked was
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Rorschach putting on his mask and asking the psychiatrist "what do you see?" That was a pretty cool line.
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« Reply #572 on: March 10, 2009, 12:10:57 AM »
I also liked how Rorschach's ending was handled - a little bit different than the book, but it carries more emotional weight.  It was about the only time I felt anything for the characters.
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« Reply #573 on: March 10, 2009, 12:23:21 AM »
That was done much better than the book.
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« Reply #574 on: March 10, 2009, 12:54:19 AM »
That was done much better than the book.

Definitely. Much better than the book, where
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Dan bangs Laurie again, instead of mourning the loss of his crime fighting partner.
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« Reply #575 on: March 10, 2009, 01:01:32 AM »
To be fair, that's what I'd do.
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« Reply #576 on: March 10, 2009, 01:33:30 AM »
i'm rewatching the Dr. M monologue/origin scenes and I can't get over how fucking perfect it is.

They totally nailed this scene.  I keep on fluctuating over whether the entire film would have benefited more from having an entirely 'Phillip Glass-esque' epic soundtrack or whether they made the right choice by tethering most of the music to the films alternate history narrative.

I will agree with this sentiment.  The Dr. Manhattan origin scene, along with the Rorschach goes to prison stuff (aside from the flashback, as has been discussed to death) were not just the best stuff in the film along with the opening credits, but genuinely good film making. 
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« Reply #577 on: March 10, 2009, 02:03:35 AM »
(Image removed from quote.)
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« Reply #578 on: March 10, 2009, 03:46:44 AM »
PVP actually did something pretty amusing:

http://www.pvponline.com/2009/03/02/ombudsmen/

It goes on for 5 strips.
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« Reply #579 on: March 10, 2009, 07:57:16 AM »
I also liked how Rorschach's ending was handled - a little bit different than the book, but it carries more emotional weight.  It was about the only time I felt anything for the characters.

Except Dan's overdramatic "NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
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« Reply #580 on: March 10, 2009, 10:58:32 AM »
PVP actually did something pretty amusing:

http://www.pvponline.com/2009/03/02/ombudsmen/

It goes on for 5 strips.
Again... :rofl
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« Reply #581 on: March 10, 2009, 11:43:55 AM »
Finally seeing this today

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« Reply #582 on: March 10, 2009, 12:40:42 PM »
fuck you Willco and your butthurt bullshit; watchmen meant a lot to me, like making an example out of Jaffe meant a lot to you.

but in all honesty I don't even know what I'm arguing about anymore

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Herr Mafflard

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« Reply #583 on: March 10, 2009, 03:22:49 PM »
What do you guys think of Mark Kermode? He's one of our more respected critics here in Britain.

[youtube=560,345]xu8l0q4rgcg[/youtube]

I think he makes a lot of good points.

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« Reply #584 on: March 10, 2009, 04:27:51 PM »
What do you guys think of Mark Kermode? He's one of our more respected critics here in Britain.

[youtube=560,345]xu8l0q4rgcg[/youtube]

I think he makes a lot of good points.

I agree with pretty much everything he said. It's scary really.

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« Reply #585 on: March 10, 2009, 06:41:29 PM »
http://www.avclub.com/articles/mass-watchmen-walkouts,24907/

Watchmen is the new Freddie Got Fingered.
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« Reply #586 on: March 10, 2009, 06:43:21 PM »
Talk about anecdotal. Jesus
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« Reply #587 on: March 10, 2009, 06:46:58 PM »
http://www.avclub.com/articles/mass-watchmen-walkouts,24907/

Watchmen is the new Freddie Got Fingered.

i love that they're remaking Death at a Funeral with all african-americans

my guess is that they misunderstood what a black comedy meant in this context
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« Reply #588 on: March 10, 2009, 06:56:02 PM »
As someone who has never read the graphic novel, I must say that Watchmen the movie was pretty terrible.

I won’t throw this all in Zach Snyder’s lap, because frankly, I think this thing was doomed long before he was on set directing. The screenplay is a barely coherent, badly paced mess. The characters have barely any depth to them, and I can’t think if a single on of them is likable. By the time we were in Antarctica, I barely could recall what the hell the plot was, and I didn’t care.

Although I said it’s not Snyder’s fault, as he started off with one foot in his grave, he does deserve a share of the blame for this mess. It would be too easy, although still appropriate, to criticize his trademark usage of slow motion here, but I won’t bother, as there are other things to pick on. Now, I’ve heard that a lot of the music choices are from the GN itself, and that’s great, but the way Snyder used some of these was so incredibly cheesey (Sound Of Silence during a sappy pan back from the cemetery – really, Snyder?) or cliché (Ride Of The Valkyries during a Vietnam War scene – really, Snyder?). On top of that, he failed to coax a decent performance out of anyone outside of Jackie Earl Haley, and even he was a little too “Bale Batman voice” at times.

Props for some nice visuals, a good score (the Tyler Bates stuff, not the other stuff), and Malin Akerman’s body though.

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« Reply #589 on: March 10, 2009, 07:03:11 PM »
Quote

I agree with pretty much everything he said. It's scary really.


Here's some other of his latest reviews. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/videos/kermode_reviews.shtml

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« Reply #590 on: March 10, 2009, 07:07:14 PM »
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I agree with pretty much everything he said. It's scary really.


Here's some other of his latest reviews. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/videos/kermode_reviews.shtml

I can't see The Wrestler one because I live in America  :-\

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« Reply #591 on: March 10, 2009, 07:11:32 PM »
I'll see if i can upload it for you.

Did you get to see the Watchmen one tho?

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« Reply #592 on: March 10, 2009, 07:43:37 PM »
http://www.avclub.com/articles/mass-watchmen-walkouts,24907/

Watchmen is the new Freddie Got Fingered.

That article is ridiculous. I've seen it twice, the only people who walked out had kids with them.

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« Reply #593 on: March 10, 2009, 07:49:23 PM »
I'll see if i can upload it for you.

Did you get to see the Watchmen one tho?

yeah, I saw the Watchmen one and it was pretty much how I felt about it.  Also checked out the Benjamin Button, Oscars, and Twilight ones and those three I also agreed with.  The Wrestler and Dark Knight are two I want to see but they're region locked, but so far I think this guy is pretty good.

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« Reply #594 on: March 10, 2009, 08:06:00 PM »
That Kermode guy is spot on. The movie has no depth at all.

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« Reply #595 on: March 10, 2009, 08:24:53 PM »
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« Reply #596 on: March 10, 2009, 08:26:35 PM »
Totally agreed with the guy on Quantum of Solace, and almost every review i've seen so far. Didn't agree with him on Iron Man or Twilight.

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« Reply #597 on: March 10, 2009, 08:42:50 PM »
I just don't understand how the film was incoherent.  are you implying that it wasn't well paced? Bloated perhaps?  There's certainly something to be said for that.  But there was a clear plot thread from the beginning of the film to the climax, so I'm not sure incoherent is the right word.

It's not incoherent. I think people here are misusing the term.

I think a better term would be labyrinthine, as the film is told from multiple perspectives and in multiple tenses, sometimes within the framework of the same scene. I'd argue that "incoherent" in the sense of not connected by logic doesn't really apply. The structure of the film almost identically apes that of the graphic novel, and the graphic novel has held up as literature for, what? almost 25 years.

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« Reply #598 on: March 10, 2009, 08:46:00 PM »
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I'll put the dark knight one up in a sec.

thanks

the one thing I wished he brought up was how terrible Evan Rachel Wood was in the movie, but other than that, I agree with him again.

with the dark knight review I feel the same as I do towards any reviews in that I agree with them, I know it would be a better and more cohesive movie that way, but I'm glad they chose to have a finite end to it if only because I'm greedy and don't want to wait another couple years (in regards to the last part of the movie)
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« Reply #599 on: March 10, 2009, 08:56:55 PM »
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