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« Reply #34020 on: January 04, 2019, 10:26:35 AM »
From what Ive played of 4 ( which is only like the dungeon where you try to save yuki or something so the bath house  is where I stopped ), the music in p5 is a big step up. The characters are also more interesting. Morgana is a better character than that talking teddybear or whatever. He was annoying af. With his high pitched voice.

Also the specific palaces i  p5 > randomly generated samey dungeons from p4

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #34021 on: January 04, 2019, 10:44:05 AM »
I prefer 3.

MMaRsu

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« Reply #34022 on: January 04, 2019, 10:47:23 AM »
3 is def a lot cooler than 4. From what Ive played of it I prefer the psp version I think. Because you cant control your teammates on the ps2? Something like that.

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« Reply #34023 on: January 04, 2019, 11:05:26 AM »
Mass Effect 4 is quite good on the 4th planet. I am finally shooting Krogans and Turians and shit :rock None of this Kett/ Remnant nonsense :yuck
Yeah, I also just got to the Kadara port ready to enter the badlands.

The whole locale was bad ass with pirates running the place, drug addicts everywhere and a bounty hunter/smuggler who wants to team up plough my FemRyder.

I'm deep into Kadara and it's the best planet in ME4, period. On par with best of ME1 and ME2. The real ME4 starts here.
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« Reply #34024 on: January 04, 2019, 11:21:15 AM »
Picked up Kingdom Hearts - The Story So Far and played through the island section for probably like the 5th or 6th time in my life. I've never made it past the Alice in Wonderland level in KH1, however. Maybe this time will be different.
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MMaRsu

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« Reply #34025 on: January 04, 2019, 11:36:29 AM »

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« Reply #34026 on: January 04, 2019, 11:38:23 AM »
Mass Effect 4 is quite good on the 4th planet. I am finally shooting Krogans and Turians and shit :rock None of this Kett/ Remnant nonsense :yuck
Yeah, I also just got to the Kadara port ready to enter the badlands.

The whole locale was bad ass with pirates running the place, drug addicts everywhere and a bounty hunter/smuggler who wants to team up plough my FemRyder.

I'm deep into Kadara and it's the best planet in ME4, period. On par with best of ME1 and ME2. The real ME4 starts here.
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« Reply #34027 on: January 05, 2019, 01:16:13 PM »
I loved Nocturne, Strange Journey, Persona 3 and 4 and found 5 to be mostly tedious and uninteresting. Itís definitely a refinement of the skeleton setup in 3 and 4 but way less compelling somehow.

I played P3P about 4 years ago now but need to play P4G but man the dialogue in P5 is just so insubstantially verbose.

The dungeons and gameplay are more varied and involved but if Iím being completely honest Iíd rather just be traversing Tartarus between the two.

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« Reply #34028 on: January 05, 2019, 06:00:58 PM »
Maybe this time will be different.

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Spieler1

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« Reply #34029 on: January 05, 2019, 08:28:43 PM »
Professor Layton 3 - I already know the biggest twist, but the story is still engaging enough. As with other games, gameplay doesn't start out too bad, until some hours later when I start dreading touching anything in expectation of a new poorly explained geometry puzzle.
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« Reply #34030 on: January 06, 2019, 04:42:53 AM »
I love persona so much I was nicknamed Himusona in these parts and even I didnít finish P5 because it was so bad.

Itís the best Persona of 3-5 tho...
while i'm not finding it as bad as cindi and intend to finish it, unless it really picks up it's not better than either p3 or p4. it gets so caught up in trying to be smart in the writing and story it seems to forget it's a game at times

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« Reply #34031 on: January 06, 2019, 04:13:59 PM »
Got Celeste on Xbone Games with Gold. Great game!

Why did the hotel ghost guy have a Japanese name though? Fuckin weebs
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« Reply #34032 on: January 06, 2019, 06:23:05 PM »
I love persona so much I was nicknamed Himusona in these parts and even I didnít finish P5 because it was so bad.

Itís the best Persona of 3-5 tho...
while i'm not finding it as bad as cindi and intend to finish it, unless it really picks up it's not better than either p3 or p4. it gets so caught up in trying to be smart in the writing and story it seems to forget it's a game at times

Like many jrpgs these days itís up its own ass and they have come to the conclusion that stories need 9999 hours of exposition to be well told. Itís even started to impact fucking Dragon Quest. The era of tight, well told jrpg stories seems to be over, only to be replaced with a bunch of try hard visual novel slash light novel wannabe games with hours of exposition, repitition, and ďworld building.Ē A genre that has sold its soul to become trash because the developers are more concerned in telling their crappy stories instead of telling them well told with an amazing game on top. I weep for the genre.

Bebpoís criticisms of the latest Trail of Cold Steel seem to support this position and is yet another victim of the genres current excesses.

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #34033 on: January 06, 2019, 06:31:54 PM »
Thinking about it, of all the modern jrpgs Iíve played, FFXV had the most brevity. Which is hilarious when you consider that itís fucking FF of all games which has been up its ass for twenty years now. And the only reason it has that brevity is because they wanted to split the story in multiple parts to sell you different products. The backstory is shown in the film. The main charactersí stories are told in the anime. In order to get all the story you have to watch all this shit to experience the complete saga. Thatís without mentioning how flawed and poorly edited the story in FFXV is to begin with.

jrpgs despite their renewed interest among consumers are a genre that is clearly in decline quality-wise.

kingv

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« Reply #34034 on: January 06, 2019, 09:15:49 PM »
Honestly I think this is just a problem with modern games in general. They have a way of wasting your time really badly by being overly drawn out. Either because of too much exposition or low effort side content that is for some reason mandatory.

I think itís so neckbearsa donít go on GAF and complain about a game only being 12 hours long.

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« Reply #34035 on: January 07, 2019, 03:07:32 AM »
Massive open world AAAA games that tell their story efficiently are very rare in general, RDR2 was a good one in my opinion (contrary to RDR1) and the only one i can think of right now, so that's already a problem, then you factor in Japan's inability to wrestle such big projects in general (they certainly had more problems than the West, in the transition to massive scope in games), and that's another nail in FFXV's coffin.
Finally you put behind it SquareEnix, who is worse than most at it in general, Nomura who apparently has perfectionist chronic issues, and a game tied to a(make that two) dying engine(s) being developed in parallel.

FFXV has one of the worst stories i've seen in a game, not because the basic premise is particularly bad, but because it's told in the stupidest, most ineffective way i could think of, and it's the maximum expression of Japan's (and the world's) problems with AAAA narrative development in open world games.

I mean, why do you have fashion deals and a thousand fully rendered dishes, when you had to cut half the map, and one of the main bad guys gets killed off-screen and i'm not even sure has a proper 3d model outside of a CGi cinematic?

Spieler1

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« Reply #34036 on: January 07, 2019, 05:40:59 AM »
tfw you play Pokemon DS remakes for some cheap empty nostalgia fix and you can't even get that, because the red/blue map is filled with shitty new pokemans :hhh

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« Reply #34037 on: January 07, 2019, 04:12:04 PM »
I really wish we could get back to another Chrono Trigger. A short 20 hour fun JRPG that is light and fun but at the same time complex.
The last time I felt we were close to it was Bravely Default until chapter 4 which ruined the entire thing. Setsuna tried desperately for that, but I hear it mostly failed. Octopath seems more SaGa than CT.

In other news I finished Castlevania SOTN I forgot how broken it was once you found certain equipment/skills that just allow you blast pass everything in your way. :goty


I also started Death's Gambit Honestly, so far outside of the visual style I don't feel there's much there. Combat is...OK. Music is...OK. Story? It apes so much on Dark Souls there's times where I literally laughed out loud. "Oh, I have to go out and ring two bells? One up and one down? You don't say?!!"
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #34038 on: January 07, 2019, 04:25:24 PM »
There were 20 hour jrpgs like Suikoden 1 (even 2 is short af) and BOFDQ.

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« Reply #34039 on: January 07, 2019, 04:52:32 PM »
Resident Evil 2 and Resident Evil 7. Whatever could I be preparing for?

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« Reply #34040 on: January 07, 2019, 07:19:33 PM »
There were 20 hour jrpgs like Suikoden 1 (even 2 is short af) and BOFDQ.
But Suikoden 1 and 2 were PS1 era and BOFDQ PS2. Really has anything come out in the last generation that matches this?
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« Reply #34041 on: January 07, 2019, 07:23:27 PM »
Resident Evil 2 and Resident Evil 7. Whatever could I be preparing for?

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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #34042 on: January 07, 2019, 07:32:48 PM »
There were 20 hour jrpgs like Suikoden 1 (even 2 is short af) and BOFDQ.
But Suikoden 1 and 2 were PS1 era and BOFDQ PS2. Really has anything come out in the last generation that matches this?

No :fbm

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« Reply #34043 on: January 07, 2019, 07:38:11 PM »
Tyranny and Torment: Tides of Numenera are good RPGs that are about 25 hours long.
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« Reply #34044 on: January 08, 2019, 01:12:28 AM »
In other news I finished Castlevania SOTN I forgot how broken it was once you found certain equipment/skills that just allow you blast pass everything in your way. :goty
A lot of them are like this, didn't it take until one of the DS games before they had enemies do any kind of scaling so you couldn't wind up ten levels above everything just by playing only slightly more obsessive in hunting for stuff than normally?
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« Reply #34045 on: January 08, 2019, 01:58:19 AM »
Alpha Protocol is the perfect RPG.

All your choices matter, and itís only 20 hours long so itís fairly replayable if you want to see different outcomes.

Chris Avellone  :lawd

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« Reply #34046 on: January 08, 2019, 05:04:39 AM »
Mass Effect 4

- all 5 planets @ 100% viability
- 4/4 Outposts created
- all loyalty missions finished
- 180 quests finished (yes, I counted them)
- LVL 50
- 70 hours on the save file

...and the game is still @ 65% completion :lol which is kind of unbelievable yet there are weapons to be researched (Mark X) that you can only equip at... LVL 80.

It is simply HUGE. Game truly is Dragon Age in space, no doubt about it.

I don't have any sidequests remaining except killing Dragon Age's Dragons on each planet (Architects). Other than that I am boarding Meridian and moving on with the main plot.

I like it more than God of War :shh it does exactly what it promises (5 planets) whereas God of War blueballed with 9 Realms !!! yet you only visit like 5 and 2 out of those 5 are challenge arenas and the last one is a joke (1 corridor with no encounters).

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« Reply #34047 on: January 08, 2019, 06:08:19 AM »
Tyranny and Torment: Tides of Numenera are good RPGs that are about 25 hours long.

My first Bloodborne playthrough was between 20 and 24 hours too. Bloodborne :lawd

tbf there was never many RPGs significantly below 30h. Mario RPG, Mario & Luigi 1/3, Parasite Eve, Nier 1, Chrono Trigger, Phantasy Star 4,... can't think of more, unless you go back to 8bit.

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #34048 on: January 08, 2019, 09:42:10 AM »
The problem with modern jrpgs isnít length - itís bloat and padding.

Spieler1

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« Reply #34049 on: January 08, 2019, 10:09:53 AM »
Because old jrpgs totally didn't have a bad stigma because of grinding :foodcourt Also the most bloated jrpg ever is still DQ on PS1. Also every localized SMT game before P5 already was at least 1/3 too long, it's an old staple.

Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #34050 on: January 08, 2019, 11:05:01 AM »
Because old jrpgs totally didn't have a bad stigma because of grinding :foodcourt Also the most bloated jrpg ever is still DQ on PS1. Also every localized SMT game before P5 already was at least 1/3 too long, it's an old staple.

Shitty players grinded beyond the NES days. Just because there's a stigma doesn't make it true. Even grinding in the NES days isn't an absolute necessity all the time.

Bloat and padding feels worse these days though since they want you to love their story so much. The stories in past generations were far less intrusive.

DQVII on ps1 isn't that bad. Its worst sin is the tablets.

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« Reply #34051 on: January 08, 2019, 11:59:29 AM »
Ehh, DQ7's biggest issue, like Cindi said, are the sometimes-obtuse tablet hunts, with some questionable pacing (i.e. the slow start, waiting so long to grant you access to the job system, the Gracos fight). But the game is constantly throwing new towns, dungeons, and sidestories at you. Backtracking to old areas is limited, and dialogue/cutscenes dget right to the point. The issues many modern day rpgs have are:
-backtracking to the same towns/dungeons
-wandering around town to trigger cutscenes to progress the story
-extraneous dialogue
-grindy/filler sidequests
-overdone, complicated systems

I like DQ11 but am about to hit the 3rd chapter, and am worried because I heard about the backtracking. (Where I'm at, I feel the plot could've easily wrapped up after Mordegon)

For last gen rpgs, you have Eternal Sonata, Infinite Undiscovery, the Zeboyd indie games, Costume Quest... but most of that list is mediocre.

The big problem is that so many people want long-ass games... I got an ad post on my FB feed from Gamespot, talking about how KH3 is said to be 80 hours. I replied and said I'd rather have a shorter, tight-knit experience than a longer one with tons of filler (dunno if KH3 will be like that but I wouldn't be surprised). I got JUMPED ON by people asking why I'd want a shorter game. The concept of not wanting filler seemed over their heads (probably why Ubisoft gets away with their repetitive open world gameplay structure time and time again).
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #34052 on: January 08, 2019, 12:05:13 PM »
KH3 80 hours? lmao KH1 was 50 if you did everything and that was enough. Fuck this "more, more, more" attitude of modern games. Thank fuck for arcade and old games.

Although short 20 hour jrpgs weren't the norm, 40 used to be. Most 3d FF's can be completed in 40-50 hours. Back in the day, a long ass 80 hour jrpg was the EXCEPTION. A game like Xenogears or Dragon Quest VII were games used for BRAGGING RIGHTS that you completed because a jrpg being that damn long just wasn't common. The fact that Kingdom fucking Hearts of all games is being celebrated as being an 80 hour game shows you how far we have strayed from God's light.

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« Reply #34053 on: January 08, 2019, 12:50:23 PM »
I wouldn't mind playing an 80 hour game, if all 80 of those hours mattered. In this I feel that Chrono Trigger is perfect. There's hardly anything that you do that doesn't move you to the end goal in some way shape or form. And it' isn't arbitraty like "You need 20 tablets to unlock this tower" kind of thing. Everything moved you forward in a meaningful way. I don't mind length it's just crap that isn't important and as Cindi puts it "padding"
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #34054 on: January 08, 2019, 01:23:37 PM »
Isn't KH target demo kids and teens? How the fuck is 80 hours even a thing?

Spieler1

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« Reply #34055 on: January 08, 2019, 01:37:53 PM »
Hardly anything is 80 hours except P5 and DQ (which prides itself in being overly long and boring since 7) - no one can confirm KH3 yet. SMT4 was as always, Tales is still Tales, Ninokuni 2 is super fast paced, Bloodborne is even tighter, Nier 2 is 40, people finished FF15 in 20...

btw most other times I'd agree with your general sentiments, but your hyperbolic generalisations based on kneejerk reactions end up making it impossible to agree with anything :idont
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« Reply #34056 on: January 08, 2019, 03:12:21 PM »
Isn't KH target demo kids and teens? How the fuck is 80 hours even a thing?

That's also the target demo for 80 hour games, they have nothing but time.
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Cindi Mayweather

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« Reply #34057 on: January 08, 2019, 03:24:00 PM »
Hardly anything is 80 hours except P5 and DQ (which prides itself in being overly long and boring since 7) - no one can confirm KH3 yet. SMT4 was as always, Tales is still Tales, Ninokuni 2 is super fast paced, Bloodborne is even tighter, Nier 2 is 40, people finished FF15 in 20...

btw most other times I'd agree with your general sentiments, but your hyperbolic generalisations based on kneejerk reactions end up making it impossible to agree with anything :idont

I donít think my overall point about over intrusive storytelling is wrong and I donít think Iím being hyperbolic.

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« Reply #34058 on: January 08, 2019, 06:10:30 PM »
Mass Effect 4

- all 5 planets @ 100% viability
- 4/4 Outposts created
- all loyalty missions finished
- 180 quests finished (yes, I counted them)
- LVL 50
- 70 hours on the save file

...and the game is still @ 65% completion :lol which is kind of unbelievable yet there are weapons to be researched (Mark X) that you can only equip at... LVL 80.

It is simply HUGE. Game truly is Dragon Age in space, no doubt about it.

I don't have any sidequests remaining except killing Dragon Age's Dragons on each planet (Architects). Other than that I am boarding Meridian and moving on with the main plot.

I like it more than God of War :shh it does exactly what it promises (5 planets) whereas God of War blueballed with 9 Realms !!! yet you only visit like 5 and 2 out of those 5 are challenge arenas and the last one is a joke (1 corridor with no encounters).
I'm still baffled at how EA botched up the launch of this game. The Mass Effect trilogy was more innovative for its time and technically more impressive as well but Andromeda is not a bad game at all.
Plus like you say, the game is simply huge. The production values(TM) are off the charts.

It must've been hell for the developers to watch everyone trash the massive ammount of work it must've taken them to build it.
To create 70 - 100 hours worth of content which only a handful of people have ever experienced.
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« Reply #34059 on: January 08, 2019, 06:46:38 PM »
How much of the content is good though? Any good meaningful written missions or is it mostly go here and kill this and collect this

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« Reply #34060 on: January 09, 2019, 09:46:19 AM »
It's $3.99 on Origin for a few more days. I am almost tempted even though I never played the first three. That I apparently have on Origin. :lol
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« Reply #34061 on: January 09, 2019, 09:51:23 AM »
Well Id say play the first three with the controller mod and hd textures

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« Reply #34062 on: January 09, 2019, 10:17:29 AM »
One summer day. I played a few hours of the first one years ago and it didn't grab me.
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« Reply #34063 on: January 09, 2019, 10:45:24 AM »
Yesterday I was watching Shroud stream Witcher 3

Running around with a broken sword

Not reading dialogues

He killed Kiera Metz at the tower

 :lol

This fucking guy

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« Reply #34064 on: January 09, 2019, 12:32:58 PM »
Isn't KH target demo kids and teens? How the fuck is 80 hours even a thing?

That's also the target demo for 80 hour games, they have nothing but time.

And probably get only a few games a year, on holidays or birthdays, so better pick long games...
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« Reply #34065 on: January 09, 2019, 12:35:02 PM »
How much of the content is good though? Any good meaningful written missions or is it mostly go here and kill this and collect this
Well it always comes down to killing and collecting but some stuff has some great back stories.
Especially on Kadara where things just get crazy with rival factions, bounty hunters and smugglers.

The lore is interesting enough to keep playing and gather more rewards. The shooting and tech gameplay is on point as well.
It takes about 2 or 3 hours for the game to really start though. So you have to chew through a bunch of poorly disguised tutorials.

In terms of progression it is fairly linear as well. Some missions go 'On Hold' halfway through if you haven't completed parts of the main plot yet.
Just like the other Mass Effects I would say it strikes a nice balance between character interactions and sci-fi mumbo jumbo I find it quite relaxing to play overall.
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« Reply #34066 on: January 09, 2019, 01:58:06 PM »
Hardly anything is 80 hours except P5 and DQ (which prides itself in being overly long and boring since 7) - no one can confirm KH3 yet. SMT4 was as always, Tales is still Tales, Ninokuni 2 is super fast paced, Bloodborne is even tighter, Nier 2 is 40, people finished FF15 in 20...

btw most other times I'd agree with your general sentiments, but your hyperbolic generalisations based on kneejerk reactions end up making it impossible to agree with anything :idont

I donít think my overall point about over intrusive storytelling is wrong and I donít think Iím being hyperbolic.

You're basing that point on......an email that someone else got about a game that won't take 80 hours to beat? That most likely, doing a 100% run will take that long?

Im playing thru Ys Origin right now on hard mode. First play thru is with Yunica. Beat the Quiet Sand boss that has eye pods in the sand and spams you with tons of bullshit.

Your character level in this Ys influences shit really heavily. Grinding up a level or two changes damage a fuck ton.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #34067 on: January 09, 2019, 02:45:00 PM »
Hardly anything is 80 hours except P5 and DQ (which prides itself in being overly long and boring since 7) - no one can confirm KH3 yet. SMT4 was as always, Tales is still Tales, Ninokuni 2 is super fast paced, Bloodborne is even tighter, Nier 2 is 40, people finished FF15 in 20...

btw most other times I'd agree with your general sentiments, but your hyperbolic generalisations based on kneejerk reactions end up making it impossible to agree with anything :idont

I donít think my overall point about over intrusive storytelling is wrong and I donít think Iím being hyperbolic.

You're basing that point on......an email that someone else got about a game that won't take 80 hours to beat? That most likely, doing a 100% run will take that long?

Im playing thru Ys Origin right now on hard mode. First play thru is with Yunica. Beat the Quiet Sand boss that has eye pods in the sand and spams you with tons of bullshit.

Your character level in this Ys influences shit really heavily. Grinding up a level or two changes damage a fuck ton.

Nope. The initial argument was about how long-winded many modern jrpgs are mostly through their stories with too much exposition. They are excessive in their storytelling and bloat. The game that we originally brought this up about was Persona 5. Not KH. The length argument was only supplemental and added later, but the main argument is that of storytelling. Modern jrpg storytelling often forces to you go through a lot of repetition in the story. In Persona 5 for instance, they would repeat story information that had already happened in the story. You were not able to go out and explore the game because the cat said it was time to sleep. The game limited your choices through story. This results in extremely poor pacing. This has infected many modern jrpgs and many people on this very page have agreed with it. Many modern jrpgs are incapable of letting go and really, really want you to experience the story they have in ways that are intrusive. In the past, there were story-oriented jrpgs but they never had the amount of repetition, padding, and sheer amount of story bloat of today's games. They had a story focus, but they still knew they were ultimately games. In Persona 5 it feels like most of your time is spent in a dialogue window.

Or as Crash Dummy put it:

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #34068 on: January 09, 2019, 03:11:02 PM »
That's not to say I'm against story. I'm a Suikoden fan after all. Suikoden V itself has an 8 hour intro. And it's fucking epic. But it never molly coddles. It doesn't over reach. It doesn't have an endless assortment of cutscenes to make you feel like you're watching a movie or playing a visual novel. It knew how and when to take off the reins. And when that 8 hour intro finished it took the wheels off. It feels like with a lot of modern jrpgs, they. never. take. the. wheels. off. It's just constant story with no good balance between it and gameplay. The developers REALLY want you to experience their story and they expect you to like it.

Other people brought up length, but that is the gist of my point.

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #34069 on: January 09, 2019, 05:46:43 PM »
Everything you said Cindi is not a modern games thing. You're forgetting that the vast majority of PS1 RPGs for example have unskippable cutscenes, slow scrolling text, terrible localization which results in a poorer told story, game mechanics that are often over explained regardless of their depth.

Like, there wasn't a radical twist to the classic JRPG formula. The genre has treaded really familiar ground going on 30 years. Persona 5 is similar to Persona 4, which is similar to Persona 3. That's a 12 year time frame.

Regardless of design choices or design limitations, JRPGs are typically games with stories that are filled to the brim with plot points.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #34070 on: January 09, 2019, 07:37:23 PM »
Played some good shit at Magfest -

Space Manbow - one of the standout MSX exclusives, a Konami horizontal shmup with an incredible soundtrack. A bit punishing with its checkpoints, like lots of other Konami shmups of the time. First boss kept killing me and I had to replay like half the level :P



Crisis Force - another Konami shmup, for the NES. This one is veritcal and you respawn right where you die, which is nice. Fairly easy, was able to make some serious progress on one credit. Nice graphics, some slowdown, a kickin' Konami soundtrack, top tier when it comes to NES shmups. No idea why it never got released here, would have preferred it than some of the shit they released in America (Pirates, Silent Service, Defender of the Crown)

DOOM - haven't played since 1996, and with all the changes that the FPS went through over the last 20+ years, this felt like a breath of fresh air (yes I know DOOM 2016 is great too). Still feels so good to play, the buttrock MIDI kicks ass. Played through all of the first scenario, unfortunately the elevator didn't trigger after beating the 2 Barons of Hell at the end of stage 8. Just re-downloaded off GOG and will replay this and the sequel (which I kinda rushed through back in the day with cheats).

Cannon Spike - a fun little overhead run and gun. Not sure if it's worth the insane prices it commands for Dreamcast. Surprised it never got a port to XBLA with a twin-stick control scheme grafted on, since it would have fit in so well with the 1,293,488 other overhead twin-stick shooters that gen. Some of the Capcom shout outs are cool, like the RE-inspired level. Fun for the 20 minutes it takes to credit feed through (to be fair it only took me 4 credits while my friend it took him 15+) :P

Star Speeder - the most obscure game I played, it's an exclusive for the Epoch Super Cassette Vision, one of the earliest Japanese-developed consoles. It's a racer that uses cool line tricks and effects to render a fast paced track in outer space, and has weapons you can fire at other opponents (in a way it's a very primitive Wipeout). Pretty fun, one of the standouts on that particular system.

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #34071 on: January 10, 2019, 12:14:01 AM »
Everything you said Cindi is not a modern games thing. You're forgetting that the vast majority of PS1 RPGs for example have unskippable cutscenes, slow scrolling text, terrible localization which results in a poorer told story, game mechanics that are often over explained regardless of their depth.

Like, there wasn't a radical twist to the classic JRPG formula. The genre has treaded really familiar ground going on 30 years. Persona 5 is similar to Persona 4, which is similar to Persona 3. That's a 12 year time frame.

Regardless of design choices or design limitations, JRPGs are typically games with stories that are filled to the brim with plot points.

They had unskippable cutscenes, but that's not a big deal. The scenes weren't that long and they weren't always constant either. It's like you're going out of your to ignore my point.

For comparisons sake, here's Persona 3 vs Persona 5:



This is one HOUR into P3 and yet most of it is gameplay and decision making. There are story bits, but look at how damn short they are.

25:49 - 30:45 is one day. It's fast and brisk. It doesn't waste your time.

Compare to Persona 5



One day of school here lasts 17 minutes. The cutscenes are constant with endless exposition and drawn out story telling.

The difference is night and day to me.

At the beginning of the P3 video I posted, there's also story scenes. But let's compare the time it takes shall we?

You start the day at 00:18, there are cutscenes, and they are over by 4:01. Whenever there ARE cutscenes, they last a few minutes at most. In P5, they go on and on and on to tell their damn story.

Many jrpg fans have noticed it. It's not my fault you haven't.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #34072 on: January 10, 2019, 01:10:03 AM »
Beat Xenoblade 2. Nice cutscenes & music and some exploration aside, didnít like it as much as XB1. Story was kinda eh and the end explanation for everything was a bit boring. Characters were just ok, no Reyn time or cool dude Dunban. The combatís more complex here for sure but it also feels kinda tediousss building combos and then doing chain attacks. Also the field skill checks were shit and really hurt the exploration which otherwise wouldíve been better here. Same with the gotcha and skill plate grind grind grind.

Really mixed game for me overall. Thereís a lot I like about it and a lot I donít. Still glad I played it for the moments where I was feeling it. Should probably pull my dozens of cores left tomorrow to see if I get anyone interesting.

Hope Takahashi drops the getcha and grind shit in the next game.

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #34073 on: January 10, 2019, 02:23:47 AM »
Beaten Mass Effect 4. The last level and the last boss were pretty intense. Can't be arsed with platinuming this game because it requires a playthrough on the Insanity dificulty (mine was Hardcore) and has missable trophies and some weird combat trophies *AND* the game fried my PS4 today @ 2:34 AM :( I was doing some post-game content and whack, console is dead. Still doesn't work in the morning :(

Karma is a bitch, huh? Play shitty game, get console dead.

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #34074 on: January 10, 2019, 02:25:19 AM »
I also saved Krogans and even put a Krogan as the Andromeda President because fuck Salarians forever and ever for that genophage bullshit back in ME1. Mordin Solus ain't shit.

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #34075 on: January 10, 2019, 11:14:20 AM »
Picked up Radiant Historia due to a recommendation I got when I was saying I wanted Chrono Trigger again. Only in the first chapter but already this is NOT Chrono Trigger.
I don't know if that makes it good or bad. It's just not CT.

I do love the combat, finding out how to line up enemies is great! But at the same time, it feels willfully obtuse at times. "Oh! You can't move forward? That's because this one dude you didn't talk to at all died in another timeline. Go figure that out!" Or "Oh, you want to go left instead of right? LOL Game over!!!" That makes my blood boil. I get that there are choices to be made and they have repercussions but it shouldn't be like "Oh you went left? You died LOL!" I hate trial and error games. If I make a wrong decision that's fine, let me try to get my way out of it. Don't just keep killing me until I stumble on what you wanted me to do.

Sorta ironic in that the game I last played that had a CT feel was Radiata Stories, when they announced Radiant Historia I was all excited because I thought it was the next installment of Radiata stories. Nope.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #34076 on: January 10, 2019, 11:45:30 AM »
no shit its not chrono trigger. the only comparison is that it uses time travel as its story.

do u just pick this up with a raging boner hot take. radiant historia rules btw. stay mad nerd
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #34077 on: January 10, 2019, 12:49:58 PM »
Radiant Historia kicks ass - treat the blockages in the timelines as more of a puzzle that blocks your path in what is an overall linear story, instead of choices with permanent effects on the game.
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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #34078 on: January 10, 2019, 12:58:12 PM »
Even forcing the comparison because of their time travel plots never made sense. CT is typical epoch traveling, RH is like having a couple of different visual novel timelines... they are nothing alike and RH never meant to be like CT.

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Re: What are you playing?
« Reply #34079 on: January 10, 2019, 01:06:11 PM »
Thereís no wrong decisions in RH, the bad ends open up stuff on the other timeline. Just go back and forth.
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