Bill Clinton gets Pardons for Two American Journalists in N. Korea

[Dickie Dee]

Do you know what a Jehova Complex is, Jaydubya?  One example is when you think the world needs to subscribe to your own 'moral code' and it would be considered 'unethical' to act  otherwise.  Its one of the biggest inticators of a neurotic with irrational expectations.

If you're saying that people have different perspectives regarding ethics, no shit.

However...

a) are you, despite all reason and precedent, somehow suggesting that you and yours don't make arguments based on your own subjective ethics?

b) it is illogical, counterproductive, and yes, flat-out unethical to continue to support the North Korean regime with aid.

Well let's bomb those gooks to freedom!

Or even better, let's ignore them! Once the country succombed to famine, we think of all the starving people and touch ourselves at night because we know we stuck to our principles.

[Human Snorenado]

Do you know what a Jehova Complex is, Jaydubya?  One example is when you think the world needs to subscribe to your own 'moral code' and it would be considered 'unethical' to act  otherwise.  Its one of the biggest inticators of a neurotic with irrational expectations.

If you're saying that people have different perspectives regarding ethics, no shit.

However...

a) are you, despite all reason and precedent, somehow suggesting that you and yours don't make arguments based on your own subjective ethics?

b) it is illogical, counterproductive, and yes, flat-out unethical to continue to support the North Korean regime with aid.

Well let's bomb those gooks to freedom!

Or even better, let's ignore them! Once the country succombed to famine, we think of all the starving people and touch ourselves at night because we know we stuck to our principles.

Indeed, ideological purity is always better than, you know, getting shit done.  Ask the Whigs how that worked for them.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Do you know what a Jehova Complex is, Jaydubya?  One example is when you think the world needs to subscribe to your own 'moral code' and it would be considered 'unethical' to act  otherwise.  Its one of the biggest inticators of a neurotic with irrational expectations.

If you're saying that people have different perspectives regarding ethics, no shit.

However...

a) are you, despite all reason and precedent, somehow suggesting that you and yours don't make arguments based on your own subjective ethics?

b) it is illogical, counterproductive, and yes, flat-out unethical to continue to support the North Korean regime with aid.

No its not about different perspectives.  There is a way things are, and the way things people wish they were.  Neurotics obsess over hypothetical and unrealistic standards.

edit: And really it all comes down to empathy.  I'm certain those giving aid are aware of the dilemma and do so begrudginly.  But someone with empathy will probably default to feeding starving kids instead of solely spiting Kim Jong Ill.  And sometime down the road those with influence can see how maleable Kim is and whether aggression is required.  For now lets not put the responsibility of revolt in the hands of a literal proletariat and blame them for being malnutritioned, broken, and brainwashed from birth.

[Mandark]

b) it is illogical, counterproductive, and yes, flat-out unethical to continue to support the North Korean regime with aid.

What's the counterfactual?  One where you bring down the regime by refusing to prop it up?

So you've now got a population of ~20 million without the means to feed itself or any semblance of a civil society, but awash with weapons and ammunition.  A power vacuum, with no alternate sources of authority and no institutions that could facilitate a peaceful political process.

Situations like that don't get resolved without a lot of violence.  We're talking massive bloodshed, probably for several years, which almost certainly ends when the winner becomes the new dictator.

What, exactly, makes this scenario "productive"?

[brawndolicious]

I wouldn't bet on South Korea having any interest in the territory either.