Battlefield Bad Company 2

[cool breeze]

http://www.amazon.com/Battlefield-Bad-Company-Limited-Xbox-360/dp/B001QXNBJM/

$57 on Amazon + $20 credit.  They price matched Walmart, who also has $20 credit with the console versions.

[The Fake Shemp]

Pre-ordered on Amazon. I'll use the $20 on Super Street Fighter IV or Splinter Cell/Alan Wake if either of those two turn out to be any good.

[Kestastrophe]

I was just going to pick the game up in store when it releases, but I couldn't pass on this deal.

[The Fake Shemp]

Even if you get it delivered the same day of its release, it actually works out than cheaper than what it would cost me to buy it at GameStop with tax! And I don't even have to go anywhere!

[cool breeze]

I think Amazon has release date delivery with Bad Company 2 (assuming you have prime).  With the exception of Halo ODST, all release date delivery games are here by mid-day.

btw, Alan Wake is $60 + $10 credit and Splinter cell is $52 with potential credit added in the future.  Amazon keeps the price you ordered it at, and if it ever drops lower or any deals get attached, they automatically apply them.

[The Fake Shemp]

I just don't know if either will be any good.

[FatalT]

I was wanting to pick this one up until I played the demo and it just seems like it's more of the same. I got my fill of the game with Bad Company 1. I might enjoy it more if I play with my 1943 Boreans but I dunno, I'm just not feeling this one. I'll rent it and then decide from that.

[The Fake Shemp]

I don't know, I played a lot of Bad Company and DICE has seriously improved the game across the board. Sounds like the single-player will be pretty good too. Throw in the fact that Conquest is available at launch, in addition to new DM and TDM modes, I think it's an awesome package. Day one.

[duckman2000]

It's more of the same awesome, and less of the poop.

Also, this is surprisingly neat

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[brawndolicious]

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oh my god yes all over me.

[Brehvolution]

It's more of the same awesome, and less of the poop.

Also, this is surprisingly neat

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I"m kind of getting turned off on this game and this video showed me why. There is considerable hit detection lag and it bugs the shit out of me. It's totally spray and pray. Maybe MW2 has just spoiled me.

[The Fake Shemp]

A-Team Splinter Cell is a no-brainer for quality, you know better than that.

The game was supposed to come out three years ago, the multiplayer was gutted, visuals look dated, etc. I like Splinter Cell as much as the next guy, but it doesn't really inspire any confidence.

[Stoney Mason]

I"m kind of getting turned off on this game and this video showed me why. There is considerable hit detection lag and it bugs the shit out of me. It's totally spray and pray. Maybe MW2 has just spoiled me.

You can't play Battlefield for the moment to moment combat. I agree as someone who plays MW 2 that aspect isn't very satisfying in comparison to me for lot of reasons. There is a weird lag feeling to the combat that isn't actual lag (maybe bullet travel time or something) but the gun combat all feels very latent especially the knifing and let's face it, near 60 frames make everything feel better. You just kinda have to let that aspect go and enjoy it for its special charms.

Although I stopped playing the demo personally because I was playing with randoms instead of a set crew and it was becoming highly annoying. Terrible and frustrating experience when you aren't playing with a dedicated crew that is in communication and such.

[duckman2000]

What is there is more visible than it is in MW2, but I'd tear out my hair if I had any over the constant cheap duels lost in that game due to their well masked hit detection lag bullshit.

[The Fake Shemp]

So, since I pre-ordered on Amazon, I won't have access to 4v4 squad rush?

[Stoney Mason]

So, since I pre-ordered on Amazon, I won't have access to 4v4 squad rush?

You can be "invited" into the mode I believe as can anyone.

[The Fake Shemp]

Recent stuff has moved the game from my complete shit list to "on the fence". Whether or not it will be worth buying is anyone's guess. I'm not taking that chance.

[G The Resurrected]

FUCK YOU EA, FUCK YOU!!!!

First you fuck up shit with your Project 10 shit. Now the previously announced 4v4 mode is now only a gamestop exclusive?!?!?! FUCK YOU EA FUCK YOU!!!!!

I preordered it anyways for 40 bucks I can't complain.

[brawndolicious]

I"m kind of getting turned off on this game and this video showed me why. There is considerable hit detection lag and it bugs the shit out of me. It's totally spray and pray. Maybe MW2 has just spoiled me.

You can't play Battlefield for the moment to moment combat. I agree as someone who plays MW 2 that aspect isn't very satisfying in comparison to me for lot of reasons. There is a weird lag feeling to the combat that isn't actual lag (maybe bullet travel time or something) but the gun combat all feels very latent especially the knifing and let's face it, near 60 frames make everything feel better. You just kinda have to let that aspect go and enjoy it for its special charms.
Although I stopped playing the demo personally because I was playing with randoms instead of a set crew and it was becoming highly annoying. Terrible and frustrating experience when you aren't playing with a dedicated crew that is in communication and such.

Yes.  MW2 uses hitscan detection where the bullets actually hit whatever you're aiming at the instant that you pull the trigger, but BC2 has it follow a realistic ballistic trajectory where the bullet travel takes time and gravity even affects the bullets.  It travels like how actual bullets travel and I think what makes it even more noticeable coming from cod is all the long-range combat.

[Brehvolution]

Don't forget about wind speed and direction and how humidity effects how the gun powder burns.

This is EA, dude. They have 20 years of Madden and still use canned animation physics. Gravity effects on bullets?

[Stoney Mason]

There is definitely some truth to the bullet travel time thing especially for long range. It effects how you have to shoot as a sniper in Battlefield games.

Which is not to say that Battlefield is some sort of stickler when it comes to realism. That's simply the way they decided to make their gun physics work. Either way is fine with me and its just sort of whichever method someone is use to.

Even taking that into account though the combat itself isn't the sort of in control in the moment feel I personally care for. Partially because Modern Warfare is a bit more arcadey and instant response and Bad Company is slightly "simmy" with their controls with a little bit of momentum. It's mostly a preference thing either way although I believe part of the large success of COD is how it controls for normal people.

They both handle very differently and someone use to one is definitely going to take some transition time to adapt to the other.

 

[Beezy]

This is EA, dude.

This is motherfuckin DICE, developers of Mirror's Edge, the greatest game this gen!

[brawndolicious]

This is EA, dude. They have 20 years of Madden and still use canned animation physics. Gravity effects on bullets?

The load screens even point out the bullet drop and I'm pretty sure Battlefield games have always had bullet drop, the truth is that the sniper bullets actually drop way more than they would in reality.  The effect is also really noticeable with RPG's and tanks.

Bullet lag is about the same as bad company 1 from what I remember.

[duckman2000]

Don't forget about wind speed and direction and how humidity effects how the gun powder burns.

This is EA, dude. They have 20 years of Madden and still use canned animation physics. Gravity effects on bullets?

Dude, look at the bullet. You can see it falling. Which is of course wildly unrealistic in itself, but there's definitely travel time and gravity involved. It's also why you need to take into account the direction and speed of vehicles when firing on them.

[Brehvolution]

My apologies. I missed the long range part. My main beef was with the machine guns, even the ones on the tank. From the 1:20 mark on is what I'm griping about especially in close quarters. There just seems to be a lot of shooting without the effect of things looking like they are being shot. *shrugs*

[duckman2000]

Agreed, it can be pretty annoying when you pepper a soft target with a tank MG and the dude just won't die. But I'm guessing that's a balance thing. And shooting lots is part of the charm of the game. The infantry stuff feels significantly improved, though.

[brawndolicious]

The tank driver's machine gun is inaccurate as hell, yeah.  But the one the gunner controls is really accurate (even has zoom!).  If I'm driving the tank, what I'll do is spam all the hiding spots with the "spot" button for my gunner to pick off any noobs.

[brawndolicious]

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[Stoney Mason]

Just FYI if you were planning to gamefly or buy this one used.

EA's "Project Ten Dollar" initiative marches on in Battlefield: Bad Company 2, with four multiplayer maps included on the disc, unlocked via VIP codes found only in new copies of the game.

Using the VIP code that comes packed in every new copy of Battlefield: Bad Company 2, players will be able to unlock two new maps upon the game's release - Laguna Alta for Conquest mode and Nelson Bay for Rush mode. Later in March, players with codes will unlock Arica Harbor for Conquest and Laguna Presa for Rush.

I say unlock because that's the terminology the official release uses. "Available in the box, the content packs are unlocked by simply inputting a VIP code."

The VIP codes in question are packed inside every new copy of the game. As expected, if you lose your code or purchase the game used, you'll have to shell out $15 to unlock the content, which again makes "Project 10 Dollar" a bit of a misnomer.

I've confirmed with EA that the maps are definitely included on the disc, which means that purchasing a used copy of the game gives you a disc with content you can't access. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

It's one thing to offer downloadable content for a game like Dragon Age: Origins or Mass Effect 2, where not having the additional content doesn't necessarily lessen your experience. It's something else to restrict content included on the physical disc itself, so that pre-owned customers are restricted to the multiplayer matches they can participate in because they haven't paid EA. The fact that the maps are located somewhere on a disc that the pre-owned purchaser owns just seems like a slap in the face.

I do understand EA's desire to keep money in their pockets instead of pre-owned game retailers, but surely there's a better way to do it than this.

http://kotaku.com/5479318/bad-company-2s-pre+owned-sales+stifling-dlc-revealed

[brawndolicious]

It's not really a bad idea since most people would buy a game for full price if they really cared to play it.

The demo does shut down tonight though.

[ManaByte]

Yea Kotaku's little soapbox bitching is annoying.

There's nothing wrong with fucking over Gamestop. NOTHING. Maybe that Kotaku guy works at Gamestop?

[Stoney Mason]

From a consumer perspective I think its lame that content on a disc is essentially held hostage just like I think the pre-order bonus mode is lame. But this is the wave of the future so it is what it is.

And the fucking over "gamestop" thing isn't the issue because they are in bed with them on the preorder bonus thing. If they are fucking over anybody its the "used customer" no matter where he buys his products. Even if its from a friend or online or from a chain store. But as I said it is what it is. I'm not much into internet whining other than to say I think it is kind of lame and I'll leave it at that. I'm still buying the game anyway

[ManaByte]

What pre-order bonus mode?

[Stoney Mason]

What pre-order bonus mode?

EA has an program now where they hold back a mode for preorder people. It's Squad Rush in BC 2 and it was also a mode in Army of Two 40th day. You have to be invited into the mode for 30 days from someone who did preorder it. You can't play it other than being invited even if you buy the game day one at a store.

[brawndolicious]

From a consumer perspective I think its lame that content on a disc is essentially held hostage just like I think the pre-order bonus mode is lame. But this is the wave of the future so it is what it is.

Then again, that's a better plan than making the new buyers wait for the maps to download before jumping online.

[AdmiralViscen]

I do understand EA's desire to keep money in their pockets instead of pre-owned game retailers, but surely there's a better way to do it than this.

I don't see how.

If you wanna save $5-10 and rip off the publisher who is giving you your servers and your game, then you have to pay at least some contribution to get some maps. If you aren't into the game enough to buy it new then how discerning can you really be?

Also, if anything ME2 was worse. Yea the character was lame, but it was still a character and he had his own mission. Not everyone who rents or plays BC2 is even going to go online.

What pre-order bonus mode?

EA has an program now where they hold back a mode for preorder people. It's Squad Rush in BC 2 and it was also a mode in Army of Two 40th day. You have to be invited into the mode for 30 days from someone who did preorder it. You can't play it other than being invited even if you buy the game day one at a store.

Now this part is bullshit because not everyone buys games from the same retailer. But at least it'll be free later. I'll live.

[Kestastrophe]

IGN Video Review

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14293278/battlefield-bad-company-2/videos/bfbc2_vdr_022610.html?show=hi

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Did he really complain about multiplayer games ending when the game is won? smh

What the fuck is "missed epic feeling"? what a fucking joke 

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[WrikaWrek]

I think it's one of the best looking games right now.

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Runs great too.

[cool breeze]

yeah, from what I've read the final game is optimized well, especially when compared to the poorly optimized beta.

[WrikaWrek]

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Sorry, i don't have a 16:9 monitor, so it came out like this.

[demi]

Those screens do look pretty yum. Put it on GameFly

[Stoney Mason]

IGN's BC2 vs MW2:

It's a review. It's a given that its a subjective opinion and that reviews shouldn't matter in the first place. Let's not go down the typical GAF road of my game got less than X score foolishness.

[ManaByte]

Activision wines and dines IGN editors better than EA/DICE too.

[cool breeze]

IGN's BC2 vs MW2:

It's a review. It's a given that its a subjective opinion and that reviews shouldn't matter in the first place. Let's not go down the typical GAF road of my game got less than X score foolishness.

yeah, plus it's IGN and you can find better things to pick on


http://wii.ign.com/articles/107/1071925p2.html

[WrikaWrek]

MW2 am cry.

[WrikaWrek]

This game is amazing. The firefights are spectacular!

Particle effects, shit blowing up, the feel of the weapons, love it!

[Beezy]

I still want this, but I'm too broke to get it at launch.

[The Fake Shemp]

Steal shit, bro

[duckman2000]

So the PC version runs well, then? It was acceptable during the beta, but not all that great. I'll miss the rumble, though.

[demi]

PC version is out. But nobody cares about that

[WrikaWrek]

So the PC version runs well, then? It was acceptable during the beta, but not all that great. I'll miss the rumble, though.

I think it runs awesome. 4xAA and 8AF, and the game runs well, i don't know what framerate it's averaging, but it's smooth. And this game has a lot of shit going on at times.

[Beezy]

Steal shit, bro

I'd like to stay out of prison, thank you very much.

[Stoney Mason]

My gamefly copy won't come until later in the week. Probably the weekend. I didn't realize how close the release date was and I sent back Fear 2 later than I should have.

[The Fake Shemp]

I'm excited about this game.

This + Perfect Dark + Super Street Fighter IV will likely keep me busy until Fall.

[brawndolicious]

I need to finally replace my headset after 2.5 years, I think I'm going with this one.

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Headset-Earbud/dp/B000G0OJPG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1267330061&sr=8-1

[FatalT]

I'ma be getting this for 360 from Gamestop. Woo!

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

 

2 more days


It's funny how seemingly no one gave two shits about the first Bad Company game but now all of a sudden BC2 is the fucking bees knees.  I remembering talking up BC a couple years ago after it was released and everyone was telling me it was shit.   I guess the worm has fucking turned.

[cool breeze]

because it's now on the PC, where most gamers play 

no, really I think it's because of a few reasons

-before Bad Company 1, the 360 Battlefield game was Modern Combat 2, which wasn't that great.
-Bad Company 1 had a lot of weird interface and control issues compared to Call of Duty 4 at release.  To run, you had to hold down the left thumb stick, there wasn't great feedback if you shot an enemy, the healing system was a bit odd (especially in single player).  I heard a lot of the oddities got patched, but the demo doesn't reflect those and it's hard to get people back once the damage is done. 
-Battlefield 1943 was cheap on XBLA/PSN ($15 I think) and successful.  Had a bunch of fixes that Bad Company 1 lacked.
-Bad Company 2 demo is awesome.  Even before the demo, all the videos they released looked awesome.

Even though I'm getting it on PC, if I wasn't, I would have bought it on 360 for sure.

[The Fake Shemp]

I should be getting my copy from Amazon delivered the day of release.

[demi]

swaggaz, i can explain it all in one swoop:

bad company 2 has stackable difficulty achievements

bad company 2 doesnt have a distinguished mentally-challenged kill achievement (10,001 kills)

thus, people are more interested