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Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
« Reply #4500 on: November 15, 2017, 10:55:18 PM »
Speaking of Bruce over in the non-Metal invaded DC Universe, Selina and Talia had their...catfight....and I like how Tom King mainly suggests the result and the purpose rather than actually having it be a regular comic fight. Also Selina and Talia's attempts at psyching each other out being the focal point of it as much or more than the swordplay part.

Also, King is so great at writing the whole gang, I love the way he portrays the unique Damien and Dick relationship and how Dick takes advantage of it specifically to irritate Damien. And Bruce's entirely unsubtle annoyance with anyone in the Family doing anything for him.

That's Detective Comics right?  :leon

There is actually no metal shit over there?  :lol :lol

Will this be the one that starts Doomsday Clock?
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« Reply #4501 on: November 16, 2017, 12:48:43 AM »
Just popping in to say im up to Mister Miracle #4 (of 12) and this is the best mainstream comic series I have read in a decade.

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« Reply #4502 on: November 16, 2017, 01:23:18 AM »
Just popping in to say im up to Mister Miracle #4 (of 12) and this is the best mainstream comic series I have read in a decade.

Totally agreed. I'm really hoping they'll release some special version of this once it's finished because I will be all over that like a priest on a boy.

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« Reply #4503 on: November 16, 2017, 01:29:00 AM »
That's Detective Comics right?  :leon

There is actually no metal shit over there?  :lol :lol

Will this be the one that starts Doomsday Clock?
Batman. Really all the books are ignoring METAL outside of the tie-in issues. Some are already set after it.

METAL wasn't supposed to sprawl like it has, at least when they originally announced it. Initially it wasn't going to have any tie-ins. Just the main series and the issues for each of the Batmen. In fact, it was supposed to be over with by now and those new series that were supposed to come out of it were to have been started, but they all got pushed to 2018 and two of them completely dropped off the schedule.

And they aren't going to push back Doomsday Clock, it's coming out next week.

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« Reply #4504 on: November 16, 2017, 01:30:08 AM »
Marvel apparently is ready for a big January though:
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Marvel has been in a bit of a slump lately, with lagging sales, poor PR, and a lackluster reception to their Marvel Legacy initiative. But all of that is about to change in a big way, because Marvel has figured out the way forward, the solution to all their problems, and a way to revitalize their product line and reinvigorate interest in Marvel Comics: more variant covers.

In January, 21 Marvel comics will be graced with Avengers-themed variants to coincide with the start of Marvel’s Avengers super-mega-not-a-crossover event, No Surrender.

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« Reply #4505 on: November 16, 2017, 02:33:36 AM »
I'd rather eat green crayons than read most of marvel rn.

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Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
« Reply #4506 on: November 16, 2017, 02:43:46 AM »
I didn't realize The Man Who Laughed came out. Thought it got pushed back. Either way, Metal right now is the best thing about Super hero comics.

I am interested in No Surrender though, if only because I want to know whats up with Voyager(she has a cool design) and Al Ewing is involved.

I am interested in the Phoenix stuff though. Also Jean leading her own team in X-men Red excites me. Morrison had her positioned as a leader of the X-men, Xavier's heir while Cyclops would be more of the ground leader.  It was a good role for her and with Xavier dead I hope they continue that.

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« Reply #4507 on: November 16, 2017, 04:29:42 AM »
Metal is wild as fuck, loving it along with white knight

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« Reply #4508 on: November 16, 2017, 10:57:26 AM »
Metal is like Morrison if you swapped his obscure references for pure uncut cocaine.

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« Reply #4509 on: November 16, 2017, 03:29:18 PM »
Metal is like Morrison if you swapped his obscure references for pure uncut cocaine.
he already did that

like with The Invisibles or The Filth or even Animal Man

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« Reply #4510 on: November 16, 2017, 05:16:09 PM »
I mean Batman-wise.

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« Reply #4511 on: November 17, 2017, 07:25:39 AM »
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« Reply #4512 on: November 18, 2017, 03:29:55 PM »
And now, an excerpt from Dark Knights: Metal #3:



Comics!

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« Reply #4513 on: November 18, 2017, 08:18:44 PM »
What do you mean comics? That’s science, bitch.

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« Reply #4514 on: November 20, 2017, 05:26:30 AM »
I wonder if that was prehidden deliberate snark against Justice League like in the one issue for the Dark Batmen where Batman brings a kryptonite spear to fight and gets his arm blasted off.

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« Reply #4516 on: November 20, 2017, 12:05:26 PM »
The one true Snyder.

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« Reply #4517 on: November 21, 2017, 11:48:50 PM »
Metal #2 :lawd

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« Reply #4518 on: November 22, 2017, 04:00:51 PM »
Doomsday Clock #1 was a lot better than I expected. Felt like Watchmen without the 1980’s storytelling style that comics employed back then. Art was great too.

I didn’t think they’d be able to make the jump from the Watchmen universe to the DC universe without it feeling really jarring, but fuck me if they didnt do it perfectly.

A new page! And it only took almost a month to get here!

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« Reply #4519 on: November 22, 2017, 09:38:37 PM »
For some reason I thought they'd do a hiatus like TV does this week, forgot to check my stuff. What a dummy. :lol

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« Reply #4520 on: November 23, 2017, 12:00:45 AM »
Read Doomsday Clock #1.  Initially I was like :confused, but by the end I kind of liked it.  Still not up to par with the original Watchmen and it kind of felt like they were trying to hard to copy its "edginess."

Savage Dragon #228: This is titled "Oh, Canada Part 2," since Malcolm and family have re-located after being chased out of 'Murica by Trump (yes, really), but it should probably be titled "Return to fuckfest" instead.  Nothing really happens here.  Dragon and his wife try Canadian food and drink.  Haha, Canada is wacky with poutine and Canadian beer-- WTF is this?  etc etc.

Then it's time for fucking!  Malcolm gets his tubes tied and his wife is eager to jump on his dick.  The most graphic sex scene yet is shown when Dragon blasts her with a huge stream of cum, which hurls her off his junk and onto the floor.  Cum then drips down into her open mouth and then she snowballs him and blows him while he gets a phone call and what the fuck is going on here, Larsen?  You know adult comics are a thing, right?  Just go draw porn already.  :dizzy

Some villain I don't remember is released from a block of ice (Malcolm literally says "he was last seen in issue #106!" when asked) and the fight is over pretty quickly without the villain saying a single word. 

Then it's back to fucking!  Dragon's mother in law comes to visit.  Dragon and Maxine return home and find his brother Kevin fucking her because what else would they be doing?  I expect to see a foursome in the next issue.  :doge  Clearly Erik Larsen is enjoying his comic being a fully 18+ book, but maybe we could get some real plot again?  Please? 
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« Reply #4521 on: November 23, 2017, 12:11:23 AM »


Bruce and Barry the only ones bothering to research anything relevant to their ongoing mystery situation. ::)

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« Reply #4522 on: November 23, 2017, 12:23:08 AM »
Spending a whole page on The Mime collecting his gear :delicious

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« Reply #4523 on: November 23, 2017, 01:18:50 AM »
finishing off the dark nights metal tie ins i havent read yet friends

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« Reply #4524 on: November 23, 2017, 06:45:01 AM »
Just hope Doomsday Clock is'nt going to be something corny like Superman has to convince Doc M that life is great and all that nice shit. But I can't really see Doc being a villain.

But I wont lie and say a return to the Watchmen world isn't interesting. It really is.

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« Reply #4525 on: November 23, 2017, 12:47:34 PM »
Just hope Doomsday Clock is'nt going to be something corny like Superman has to convince Doc M that life is great and all that nice shit. But I can't really see Doc being a villain.

But I wont lie and say a return to the Watchmen world isn't interesting. It really is.

Sounds like that's exactly what they are going for, especially with the dichotomy between the 2. Will see how they go about it or if it will work.

Also Doc is way too OP for anyone to do anything to him.
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« Reply #4526 on: November 23, 2017, 12:59:52 PM »
A philosophical discussion between the two could be great if done well. I do trust Johns, and always have since the best DC crossover, Infinite Crisis.

I'm more interested/nervous about how they'll explain Manhattan messing with the DC universe (and "stealing" 10 years.) They set it up as some grand villainous act, but that doesn't really fit him.

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« Reply #4527 on: November 23, 2017, 01:25:07 PM »
up to date with dark days, gotham resistance, bats out of hell, the one shots and the main book :rejoice 

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« Reply #4528 on: November 23, 2017, 01:52:43 PM »
Doomsday Clock #1.  Mime you fucking hilarious loser  :neogaf

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« Reply #4529 on: November 23, 2017, 09:38:38 PM »
Just hope Doomsday Clock is'nt going to be something corny like Superman has to convince Doc M that life is great and all that nice shit. But I can't really see Doc being a villain.

But I wont lie and say a return to the Watchmen world isn't interesting. It really is.

Sounds like that's exactly what they are going for, especially with the dichotomy between the 2. Will see how they go about it or if it will work.

Also Doc is way too OP for anyone to do anything to him.

Batman could defeat him with prep time and blue kryptonite.
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« Reply #4530 on: November 23, 2017, 11:03:52 PM »
Anything I should read to jump into Doomsday Clock?

I’m not reading any DC regularly, but like to pick up certain runs. I’m enjoying metal right now and Doomsday Alcock looks interesting but not sure how far back into Superman I need to go for it.

I was picking up the super man books every week, but IMO comic books have just gotten so damn expensive I’m choosy as hell with what I buy weekly.

Really wish DC had something like marvel unlimited.

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« Reply #4531 on: November 23, 2017, 11:10:40 PM »
Doomsday Clock required reading, as far as I know:

Watchmen
Flashpoint
Superman: Lois and Clark (Convergence)
DC Universe: Rebirth
Batman (2016)/Flash (2016): The Button
Superman (2016): Superman Reborn

And maybe Titans: Rebirth and Titans (2016.)

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Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
« Reply #4532 on: November 23, 2017, 11:19:02 PM »
Really though...

All you need from the Watchmen side is the original graphic novel.

From the DC side, you need the following facts:

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- The New 52 in 2011, launched in-canon by the Flashpoint storyline, rebooted the DC universe approximately 10 years earlier than it was set at the time. Things were shifted around in a reboot-y way, like both of Superman's human parents being killed at the same time by a car accident, but it was essentially the same DC. It did wipe out the Caucasian Kid Flash and Flash from the 90s-2000s (Wally West) and replace him with a black counterpart.
- The Superman from before the New 52 somehow survived with that reality's Lois Lane and his newborn son, Jonathan "Jon" Kent.
- Convergence led to that Superman, Lois, and Jon entering the New 52 version of the DCU right around the time the New 52 Superman died. They existed separately and in-secret during this time.
- The Superman Reborn storyline combined the pre-New 52 and post-New 52 Supermen and Lois Lanes into singular beings. Despite the new Superman taking most of his character and history from the pre-New 52 version, his parents' deaths remained the post-New 52 version (car accident at the same time.)
- Batman found The Comedian's button (from Watchmen) in the Batcave. He teamed up with The Flash in their crossover ("The Button") and discovered someone stole 10 years from the DC universe (AKA the New 52.)
- All things point to that "someone" being Doctor Manhattan.
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« Reply #4533 on: November 23, 2017, 11:43:33 PM »
I'm dying here, THREE WEEKS till the next fucking Mister Miracle, help :goldberg

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« Reply #4534 on: November 23, 2017, 11:47:52 PM »
Hey I think I have actually read all of that shit!

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« Reply #4535 on: November 24, 2017, 01:14:10 AM »
I'm going to be so disappointed in Doomsday Clock, no matter how good it ends up being, if it doesn't go all in on everything that's happened since New 52. I want to see Dr. Manhattan making Superman remember what happened before the events of Superman Reborn. I want to see a followup to The Button where we actually see Manhattan killing Zoom, and what his reaction was to him coming back to life. Show Clark remembering the events of Convergence, and tell me how Brainiac was actually the misunderstood hero in that story by saving existence from Dr. Manhattan's meddling. Straight up tell us that the reason Bruce saw his father in The Button was to fuck with his head and push him towards retiring from being Batman. And tell us why the hell Tim Drake was abducted by Dr. Manhattan. Or have a part where Manhattan is telling Clark about his motivations for putting Jor-El on Earth.

My biggest concern for Doomsday Clock is that all this buildup will have been like the buildup we got in the Countdown weekly series to Final Crisis. Countdown (and Death of the New Gods) ultimately had nothing to do with Final Crisis at all, which ultimately made Countdown even worse in retrospect.

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« Reply #4536 on: November 24, 2017, 01:56:42 AM »
Batman Lost #1: Question -
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Who's the hooded gal at the start talking Batman through the prehistoric clan fight?
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« Reply #4537 on: November 25, 2017, 08:47:52 PM »
I don't think she's supposed to represent anyone we know, just one of the earliest of the Owls or one that effectively operates outside time/space to communicate with the trapped Bruce. Snyder's original "nursery rhyme"/scary limerick was about how the Owls are always watching and every other part of that rhyme has been used throughout his run.

She could potentially be Keira...Hawkgirl/Hawkwoman as they're immortal...but I think she's just an Exposition Owl for lack of character name. Who was watching the start of the "war" and so could tell Bruce about this. I assume that the skeleton around her neck is a bat. I mention that because Vandal Savage in Return of Bruce Wayne has a noticeable necklace of bird skulls before he takes it off for sexy time with some ladies. And Exposition Owl is showing him what I think is the aftermath of that book's ending. (Defeat of Savage who gets kicked out of his clan, founding of Bat tribe and founding of Bird tribe. The staff with the giant Bat pelt she stabs into the ground was one Savage had claimed off of the Hyper-Adapter/Barbatos and Bruce used to cloak himself for the fight.)

If she means anything it'll probably be most likely explained in Hawkman Found. Part of the delays and scope expansion of this was that Johns signed off on letting Snyder bring those two back into the DC Universe finally free of their nonsense canon. One thing, since you mentioned reading the side stories (of which I kinda liked Gotham Resistance more than I assumed even if the explanation for the Nightwing stuff was months ago in his own book), is that for all of these and Lost we don't have just Snyder. But Tynion and Williamson are contributing. And I'm not as familiar with all their other stuff as Snyder so I can't tell you if she or some of these others have come from that stuff.

I still think she's just Exposition Owl.

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« Reply #4538 on: November 25, 2017, 09:11:45 PM »
Read through Alan Moore's cosmic-horror-related trilogy of comics.  Will spoiler in case someone wants to read them.

The Courtyard:

Short, two-issue story about an FBI agent working undercover to investigate a series of murders where hands (and heads, IIRC) are cut off around New England.  The agent is an unlikable white supremacist-type who is only selected for the investigation because he is adept  at putting together the pieces for cases where very little evidence or connections are available. 
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Ends with him trying what he thought was a drug, but was actually him being put into a trance-like state and fed Lovecraftian language from a weird guy with a veil on his face and a lisp who is more than he seems.  After this, the agent goes insane and commits the same type of murders.
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Neonomicon:

Direct sequel to The Courtyard.  Four issues long.  Two other FBI agents continue the investigation and try to talk to the first guy, but it goes nowhere.  They then go undercover and infiltrate a weird sex cult. 
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Except that the cult members are aware of who they are, kill the male agent, and then start raping the female as they have an orgy that summons a weird fish man like creature.  They leave her with the creature, who rapes her repeatedly and then seems to understand that she wasn't there willingly and frees her.  Ends with her lying to her superiors about what happened to hide that she has been impregnated.  She goes to talk to the insane agent from the first story and starts speaking the same weird language.  He then goes 'sane' and realizes that she is carrying what is implied to be a cosmic god of some kind and says that she is a goddess.  They leave the asylum where he is committed, killing the guards.
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Providence:

Most of this 12-issue story is a prequel, taking place in the 1910s, but the last issue brings things back to the present and continues the story.  This focuses on a newspaper journalist who goes off around New England to do research for a book he wants to write and gets caught up in all sorts of weird Lovecraftian occult stuff.  H.P. Lovecraft himself is a character who shows up.  This story is generally pretty straight forward, but has some weird shit happen that is never explained...which I guess is kind of the whole M.O. for cosmic horror. 
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Lots of odd creatures and crazy events affecting time perception occur.  The big theme that is slowly revealed is that all the weird shit people dream is real and is part of another world that was once part of the "real world."  As it turns out, the main character is unknowingly playing a role of an information gatherer to set forth things that will bring the dream world back to reality.  Lovecraft's part is that while he thinks he is writing fiction, it is all "real" information being sent to his mind and his published works get more and more people in tune with this other reality.  The series ends back in the present with the dream world taking over and humans just going with the flow, since it is affecting their minds and they don't really notice what is happening.  It gets all crazy and the female FBI agent has her weird baby, who goes off to do whatever and the people left ponder how they are going to live in this new existence.
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It was fun to read, but bits of the last series made no sense at all. 
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Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
« Reply #4539 on: November 25, 2017, 09:46:32 PM »
My biggest concern for Doomsday Clock is that all this buildup will have been like the buildup we got in the Countdown weekly series to Final Crisis. Countdown (and Death of the New Gods) ultimately had nothing to do with Final Crisis at all, which ultimately made Countdown even worse in retrospect.
First, as an aside, I don't think Tim Drake was abducted by Manhattan just MISTER OZ but I haven't been reading DC books that aren't Tom King, METAL or Justice League related the last few months so anything Detective or Supes is more for Tasty to reply to.

Countdown was never intended to lead to Final Crisis. It was supposed to be "52 done right" and then at the end it became Countdown into Final Crisis even though they didn't actually bother to check with Morrison, Johns or Rucka about what they were writing for Final Crisis. (Neither did the Death of the New Gods author.)

The one thing they did want to establish were the different Monitors and how they each had their own universe. Which they had already established in 52 I think. In the end, Morrison and Johns wrote DC Universe #0 to establish the stuff for Final Crisis and Blackest Night that they needed established. And Morrison wrote extra panels and part of Superman Beyond rehashes the Multiverse, the Bleed, the Monitors, etc. through random exposition because they didn't want how Countdown did it.

You could argue Morrison and Johns wound up giving more canon status to Countdown than it had earned when they established the Multiverse having been progressively destroyed AND Superman-Prime in the tie-in books. Morrison even suggested that had he been able to know what happened in Death of the New Gods he would have changed Final Crisis to better incorporate it, even though those events were so stupid that Morrison's killer (effectively old age) was much better. He did change the virus name to match the one in Countdown even though they did different things in the two books. Rucka completely ignored Countdown for Revelations because he was straight-up finishing his story from 52 under the premise of Final Crisis being the day evil won.

Doomsday Clock shouldn't have any of this because it's still a standalone book with a set number of issues. The Button was to erase Flashpoint which wasn't supposed to reboot the DC Universe originally, but be more like Age of Apocalypse, where for a while the universe was different then it came back as before with minor changes that hung over. We just took a five year plus detour to do that. That's why the other appearances of Manhattan have been to do the same things to the New 52, like how he erased Pandora, who was the one who originally "combined the three universes" in the wake of Flashpoint and created the New 52.

Flashpoint never happened as we knew it, so the New 52 never happened as we knew it, so Convergence probably didn't happen as anything other than a crazy Braniac scheme thing instead of literally universe altering. No matter what, I'm just going to pretend Convergence never happened other than as a wacky adventure that killed half the main cast of Earth 2 before sending them to their new planet for the rest of that slowly degrading story.

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« Reply #4540 on: November 25, 2017, 09:51:47 PM »
Fyi (IIRC) Mr. Oz isn't actually related to Doomsday Clock, despite his name and everything else about him making it seem like he's obviously Ozymandias from Watchmen. Instead, he's:

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Superman's dad who got his mind warped in the Phantom Zone. I think?
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That's been in Action Comics I think, which I don't follow. Just Superman and Jon-boy for me.

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« Reply #4541 on: November 25, 2017, 09:54:23 PM »
Also speaking of Mr. Oz and Tim, I'm finally starting "A Lonely Place of Living" arc in 'Tec which is supposed to explore that more.

It better be good if it's using that name!

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« Reply #4542 on: November 25, 2017, 09:57:12 PM »
The Button was to erase Flashpoint which wasn't supposed to reboot the DC Universe originally, but be more like Age of Apocalypse, where for a while the universe was different then it came back as before with minor changes that hung over. We just took a five year plus detour to do that. That's why the other appearances of Manhattan have been to do the same things to the New 52, like how he erased Pandora, who was the one who originally "combined the three universes" in the wake of Flashpoint and created the New 52.

Nah, DC wanted to start over as a way to attract new readers.  It also worked for a time, IIRC, as their sales increased line-wide.  It wasn't a huge increase from what I remember, but it was enough that they considered it a success.

Am guessing they started bringing everything back when the sales must have started declining again?  Just speculation on my part, but maybe like Marvel they're focusing on getting their money from movies instead.
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« Reply #4543 on: November 25, 2017, 09:57:19 PM »
Neonomicon:
This temporarily caused a big hubbub when it came out collected as libraries were picking it up and then parents were seeing what the fuck was in it.

One of my nearby public libraries has a copy of it, I wonder if I'm the only one to ever check it out or see what's in it. Though the library system did change as they were acquiring more graphic novels how they shelved them, the superhero books mainly being shelved near the Young Adults, and the "Mature" works like that, Walking Dead, etc. being shelved in a different area. My favorite part of this is that of the three libraries I generally visit, two libraries shelve all Morrison works in the Mature section, except Batman & Robin at the one, while the other shelves it with all the other DC superhero stuff. Good luck finding Batman R.I.P. on the first try without looking it up as the most prominent example.

One also shelves Absolute Final Crisis in Mature, but regular collected Final Crisis joins all the rest of Morrison's DC stuff in the superhero books. I think all Absolute does outside of being oversized is include the sketchbook and "Director's Cut" of #1 with Morrison's side notations? Maybe it just doesn't fit in the height of the racks in the superhero area. That'd probably make the most sense.

Nah, DC wanted to start over as a way to attract new readers.  It also worked for a time, IIRC, as their sales increased line-wide.  It wasn't a huge increase from what I remember, but it was enough that they considered it a success.
Yeah, yeah, that's what DC Editorial wanted to do. But Johns hadn't originally written Flashpoint to do that, it was supposed to just "replace" the universe temporarily which is why the main book is so tightly tied to just The Flash with the rest of it all being fleshed out in the tie-ins. Flashpoint was the only event they had that they could change to do it in the timespan to do it. I guess the original idea started during Blackest Night but it was too late to change that or Brightest Day while Flashpoint was far enough out still. (The funny thing being that Brightest Day had already brought back to life a whole bunch of characters to set off on adventures just for the whole thing to get trashed months later.)
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« Reply #4544 on: November 25, 2017, 09:58:37 PM »
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This temporarily caused a big hubbub when it came out collected as libraries were picking it up and then parents were seeing what the fuck was in it.

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« Reply #4545 on: November 25, 2017, 09:59:41 PM »
I do think they wanted to stick with New 52 as long as possible, and tbh they still are, but they're using Rebirth as an in-canon way to explain them adjusting things to please fans better, like pre-New 52 Superman coming back.

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« Reply #4546 on: November 25, 2017, 10:01:54 PM »
No matter what they do, when you make superhero comics with tons of characters and all that continuity, it is going to make jumping on difficult for some readers. 

So I thought the whole point of doing "Earth One" or "All-Star" comics was to create stuff that anyone can pick up and read without worrying about continuity.  Ditto with Marvel's Ultimate comics.
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« Reply #4547 on: November 25, 2017, 10:07:36 PM »
Earth One's been great so far I think. Need to read TT vol. 2.

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« Reply #4548 on: November 25, 2017, 10:09:38 PM »
Thoughts from way back when:

I didn't realize Teen Titans: Earth One was released last month, and that DC had planned on continuing the Earth One line.

For those who don't know, Superman: Earth One (Volume 1) was released in 2010 to mixed reviews. Volume 2 and Batman: Earth One followed in 2012 and seemed to have gotten a better reception. Teen Titans: Earth One was released last month and it seems a lot of people love it. Grant Morrison's Wonder Woman: Earth One, Volume 3 of Superman, and Volume 2 of Batman are planned for 2015. (Earth One is a graphic novel series, hence the elongated release schedule.)

It seems like Earth One will be DC's take on Marvel's Ultimate line (a self-contained reboot updating old characters in a modern continuity), after the All-Star imprint went down in flames (for a variety of reasons, half of it being Frank Miller's insanity and the other half being the first two titles -Superman and Batman- didn't even exist in the same universe.) There's been some confusion that the Earth One titles don't exist in the same universe either (Teen Titans sets it up that they're not sidekicks and seem to be the only superpowered beings around, hence no Robin or Superboy), but I've heard Multiversity confirms they do.

In any case, there's hope that Earth One will turn out better than Ultimate if only because DC seems to be taking their time with it (they have to because of the graphic novel format.) Without the constant pressure to get issues out every single month, the universe will likely end up being smaller but more thoughtfully developed. That's my hope, anyways.

Teen Titans: Earth One Vol. 1

This was my first Earth One graphic novel, and it got me wondering if Batman and Superman got such drastic reinterpretations of their origins in their Earth One books. To put it lightly, everything is reimagined here, and for the most part it works pretty well. I don't have an issue with the origin being such a departure, far from it. It feels fresh. But it also backs the book into a couple corners that were obviously hard to write out of.

Basically, the "teen titans" (never called such in-universe, and only alluded to by being apart of the "Titans Program") are a deliberately diverse set of youngsters who don't even know each other (other than Cyborg and Terra, who are dating) when the book starts. When they do get to know each other, they chafe and argue as is the cliche for teens. To be honest, I'm not sure if it was lazy writing to have them fighting amongst themselves so much, or an accurate reflection of normal teenagehood. Reflecting on my own teen years, I can't remember being so brazen, but I also didn't have to deal with superpowers popping up out of nowhere.

Yeah, this book takes more than a few cues from the X-Men. Which is probably just as well, since DC repurposed the Teen Titans to rip them off with New Teen Titans in the 80's.

The teens are essentially all set up to have the same, connected origin story, which reminds me of the way Hollywood usually goes about its adaptations of these things. It works but oftentimes feels like a shortcut, a way of introducing all of them, showing how unique each character is, and bringing them all together in the same book. I can't blame them for that. However, I will blame the writers for some eyeroll-worthy plot contrivances (the main one being Starfire not only causing all their powers to activate at the same time, but directing them all to her telepathically since she's imprisoned Superman-during-Flashpoint-style.)

I was reading the IGN review for this and they seemed to say the only negative was how Deathstroke is portrayed, but I disagree. Like the rest of the book, I think it's a fresh and interesting take on the character. All these characters are. They come off a little like a grab-bag of politically-correct new-age character templates (this one's the one with the drunk parent, this one's the one with the gay dads, etc.) but I won't fault it for that since this book is aimed at kids/teens and I know how happy it is to see someone you feel represents you in a major book like this.

The book sets up quite a bit of dangling threads, like the "Blackfire initiative," Raven joining up with the main team, Starfire's entire character, and a vision-wall of potential future team mates (including, curiously, a bat symbol.) But mostly I want to see the team become a team. The characters here don't actually ever end up becoming a "team" or doing anything heroic. They haven't earned the book's namesake yet. If Volume 2 accomplished anything, that's the bare minimum.

3 / 5

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« Reply #4549 on: November 25, 2017, 10:13:22 PM »
Earth One's problem is who they hired for writing/drawing them and how DC publishes them (prestige hardbacks) which combine to mean nobody can write them in a semi-timely manner except Morrison who apparently has two of them (Wonder Woman #2 and a version of The Flash when it was assumed JMS was dropping it) all but finished that DC is sitting on.

JMS apparently won't give up Superman and Johns won't give up Batman so nobody else can expand off those. Though Green Lantern is timed for a 2018 release date and I assume Morrison will have a much easier time of putting out his Wonder Woman's after the movie. I have a feeling Aquaman will have a date for his finally with the movie coming....

Superman's release dates: 2010 -> 2012 -> 2015.
Batman: 2012 -> 2015 -> 2019?

Morrison probably could get to three volumes of Wonder Woman before Superman gets to four, despite starting six years later. And maybe even before Batman gets to three.

All-Star only led to Morrison's Superman, nothing else was ever released from it, GODDAMN NOTHING. The current Snyder title is unrelated and supposed to just convey that it tells multiple stories that don't follow each other as a new kind of Batman anthology with all the best villains, etc. while being potentially free from canon or going into the past, etc. (He hasn't done too much of this though.)

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« Reply #4550 on: November 25, 2017, 10:19:52 PM »
Teen Titans: 2014 -> 2016

Yeah these things definitely trickle out but I like that, when one hits it's sort of a big deal (for me anyways) and I like that they're taking their time with them.

If they could line it up so we get two a year during the other series' off years that'd be great. Like:

2018: Green Lantern and Wonder Woman
2019: Batman and Superman?
2020: Teen Titans and Aquaman

Then repeat, so 2021 is GL and WW, etc. But that obviously won't happen. :P

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« Reply #4551 on: November 25, 2017, 10:25:00 PM »
All-Star only led to Morrison's Superman, nothing else was ever released from it, GODDAMN NOTHING.

What are you, dense? Are you distinguished mentally-challenged or something?

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« Reply #4553 on: November 25, 2017, 10:27:35 PM »
Batman more drastically changes his "world" than Superman's origins which more "update" than seriously change, in part because New 52 ripped off a lot of the ideas in Earth One in terms of the fact that Clark as like a blogger or something makes more sense than GUMSHOE REPORTER. Also Clark rather than hiding his powers like breaks every sports record and stuff before becoming bored with his powers's advantages.

In Batman, his Alfred is a more extreme version of Alfred's royal marine background, so Bruce is mainly trained for combat, though Alfred left at some point so he's nowhere near as polished as our Bruce. He doesn't know very much in terms of detective work. Gordon gives him tips. Harvey Bullock gets the most drastic reworking. Though Harvey Dent is a set of twins (get it?) who one was a lover of Bruce's or something. It also makes the Riddler "deadlier" rather than a joke which Snyder would also do for New 52.

Superman Earth One is much much better than JMS's work on the actual Superman comics. (I know a high bar...but still.)

I actually kinda forget Wonder Woman exactly or if I'm confusing it with one of her other three reboot origins recently. I want to say Earth One is the one that I thought the movie was lifting a bunch of the pre-MANS WORLD stuff from. IIRC, it even has the "twist" about Diana's mother's decision on if she can go with Steve Trevor or not.

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« Reply #4555 on: November 25, 2017, 10:33:51 PM »
JMS might not even be at terms with DC anymore at this point, and they may have just decided to not do another Superman book until one or two of the others catch up (namely Batman I assume), or else have people start the other characters and sit on Superman until they at least have a book for each of the Justice League going.

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« Reply #4557 on: November 25, 2017, 10:35:13 PM »
JMS might not even be at terms with DC anymore at this point, and they may have just decided to not do another Superman book until one or two of the others catch up (namely Batman I assume), or else have people start the other characters and sit on Superman until they at least have a book for each of the Justice League going.

Justice League: Earth One would be some of the hypest shit.

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« Reply #4558 on: November 25, 2017, 10:41:36 PM »
I wish they'd go back and do more period stories.  Not just one-shot Elseworlds type stuff, but on-goings.  Like Superman and Batman in the 30s (or Batman in the 20s), Wonder Woman during WWII, etc.
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« Reply #4559 on: November 25, 2017, 10:42:06 PM »
The funny thing is that Batman is just barely starting to introduce the CRAZIES, the Riddler is the main villain of 2 but I don't think they catch him or he even appears or anything I'd have to look, Batman runs into Killer Croc in the sewers who helps him out because he's just a dude with a skin condition ya know, and they hint at some of the others to come, but it's still mainly corruption or whatever. Like The Penguin was the Mayor of Gotham which you know may lead to corruption issues.

Meanwhile Superman has fought like two intergalactic invasions centered on Metropolis and him. And one of them is like another last survivor of Krypton or something who tries to trick Clark into helping him wipe out Earth. (hi New 52 storylines)

Also, Lex Luthor is twins both named (A)Lex(ander(ia)) Luthor. And JMS shows his powers of GETTING RADICAL by having...THE FEMALE LEX...be the bad guy!
Justice League: Earth One would be some of the hypest shit.
I don't know if I'd prefer them bringing all the Earth One Big Seven together or having some kind of a totally different Justice League for Earth One.