Shinji Mikami's Gears of War (a.k.a. Vanquish)

[Himu]

group 2: meh, it's no Gears/Bayonetta.  Japanese devs shouldn't be doing FPS/TPS.

aka

why do i keep dying

why isn't this game holding my hand

[Mr. Gundam]

Demo was challenging, but I didn't die. I don't see how you could. I thought it had a nice balance of difficulty and AWESOME.

[demi]

I kept dying and I really don't know why. I thought you are supposed to zip around?

I asked above what I was supposed to be doing. If it's a scoring game I shouldn't be hiding behind barriers, I should be attacking nonstop, but by doing that I was being punished. So next time I'll just treat it like Gears and take my time.

[Mr. Gundam]

I kept dying and I really don't know why. I thought you are supposed to zip around?

I asked above what I was supposed to be doing. If it's a scoring game I shouldn't be hiding behind barriers, I should be attacking nonstop, but by doing that I was being punished. So next time I'll just treat it like Gears and take my time.

I found it to be a combination of Gears cover combat and zipping around. With the robot boss I used the cover until there was none left and then zipped around and took advantage of the slow motion.

Using the sniper rifle to pick off the enemies controlling the big walkers, and then taking over the walkers also really helped.

[Beezy]

Using the sniper rifle to pick off the enemies controlling the big walkers, and then taking over the walkers also really helped.

There's no sniper rifle in the demo.

Yeah, not really digging the demo that much. I mean it's a great combination of Gears and Bayo action but I feel those games handle their respective gameplay styles better.

Will rent for sure,. The full game seems like it can be a ton of fun.

Nothing about it is like Bayonetta.

[iconoclast]

There is a sniper; after you kill the first two or three guys and head into the next area, take a right up the stairs and the sniper is in the weapon container thing.

[Beezy]

 

[Rman]

Am I playing the game wrong?  Everyone is saying not to play it like a GOW game, but those are tools and mechanics the game provides.  I did do the tutorial and figured out boosting and the manual bullet time mode, but this still feels like another stop and pop 3rd person shooter.  I don't get the high praise.

[demi]

^ That's what I've been saying.... but apparently we are "playing it wrong"

The problem is after going off the much superior Bayo, this game isn't designed that way so we get our buttholes flex. Play it like Gears with silly slo-mo and boosting and sure it's "ok"

[Himu]

Huh? It plays like other third person shooters with cover.

It's just that unlock like those games, it's not slow as fuck. It's intense.

It's not get into cover.

Guy gets into cover.

Shoot.

Miss? Guy goes into cover.

Wait.

Wait.

Wait for ittttttttttttt

blam.

Which is more boring than an Ayn Rand book.

Vanquish, however, does the same formula but switches it up. You're in cover, but enemies and bosses routinely seek you out and rarely use cover. In fact, they BLOW YOUR COVER UP. So instead, you have to use the entire environment rather than using a bland ass cover -> wait -> wait -> wait -> wait -> wait -> shoot mundane formula. Whoever says it doesn't play like Gears is derp derp. It plays like Gears, except it plays in a way that it doesn't put the player to fucking asleep.

[iconoclast]

Aim to clear the demo in 7 minutes or less. It doesn't play like a typical TPS at all.

You can play it like Gears, but you're really not meant to.

[Himu]

Push the aim and camera speed to max.

Bliss.

Japanese gaming

Fast, surreal, cool gaming

realistic gaming

[iconoclast]

The replayability of this game is ridiculous. Once you know where all of the enemies are in an act, you can plan out your path and just blow through everything so quickly. The scoring system really rewards speed more than anything.

My best time right now is 6:35 with a 19400 score, but I fucked up at the end since it took me two knockdowns to kill the boss. Oh well, will try to improve next time.

[Bebpo]

Holy shit, I just finished the tutorial and this game is SICK

The graphics are fucking amazing.  AWESOME models, awesome motion blur, real-time weapon changing, OMG THE CONTROLS ARE SO GOOD.  This is way better than Bayonetta.  Mikami


Time to try the actual demo now :O

[Beezy]

smh bebpo

[Himu]

...

[demi]

[iconoclast]

Real-time weapon changing and giant enemy robuts

[MCD]

It's not hard to top Bayonetta, let's be real now.

[Bebpo]

This game was amazing.

The demo area was better than any action game since DMC3.  SO INTENSE.  Holy shit MIKAMIIIIII
I could replay this demo over and over for weeks.  Full game is now most anticipated game of the year.


Boosting around at 100mphs blowing shit up in slow motion, flipping between weapons, UPGRADING THEM ON THE FLY, changing weapons left and right, sniping fools, grenading dudes, jump kickin mother fuckers

omg, this is the game of dreams.


Mikami
Vanquish: The Game of Dreams

[Himu]

JAPANESE GAMING

[Beezy]

But can it fly you to the moon? So you can play among the stars? Didn't think so.

[naff]

This game was amazing.

The demo area was better than any action game since DMC3.  SO INTENSE.  Holy shit MIKAMIIIIII
I could replay this demo over and over for weeks.  Full game is now most anticipated game of the year.

[....]

Mikami
Vanquish: The Game of Dreams

^

The demo is so sick. Definitely shouldn't be played like gears, I found everything about the game pretty intuitive initially, only thing that kinda bewilders me is a melee attack overheating your suit instantly. But yeah, I already like this game more than Bayo.

[naff]

Time to try the actual demo now :O

I missed that.

[maxy]

It's not hard to top Bayonetta, let's be real now.

[naff]

Thought I'd check out some screens, theres some big differences

Marketing bullshots @ 1280 x 720 with 8xAA, supersampling etc

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

vs the real thing 1024x720 2xAA

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[close]

idc, game looked awesome imo, it's just funny how large the difference is between the bullshots and the real thing.

[iconoclast]

The best thing about the bullshots is the high contrast. I hate washed out looks in games.

[naff]

Of course if this were being released for PC those wouldn't be bullshots, and I don't think Mikami has written off a PC release ... There's still hope! :pccry

edit: fixed 

[Beezy]

I don't think Mikami hasn't written off a PC release ... There's still hope!

[Bebpo]

I've been thinking about this and how everything is perfect and there's just one thing that sticks out:  what is the design idea behind melee?

When you're up close and surrounded by a few guys, you have 2 acceptable options to avoid sustain damage:
1.  Dodge + L1 to go into slow mo and take them all out
2.  Dash out to somewhere safe

But both of those require boost.  Since melee will put you RIGHT IN THE FACE of the enemy and leave you with NO BOOST, despite it looking awesome to jump kick a dude in the face, it seems like a bad idea unless there is only ONE DUDE standing there.  Doesn't make much sense.  There has to be some upgrades or a way to make melee more practical.  You should be able to boost up to a guy, jump kick his face, then roll back and shotgun the other guys next to him.

[Himu]

Use melee in combination with slow-mo to get the most of out of it.

The entire game is based around the energy bar.

[Bebpo]

but I like boost dashing jump kicks to the face

[demi]

I'd certainly hope you can upgrade your suit in the full game. Would make it a whole lot more tolerable.

[Bebpo]

You can upgrade your weapons, so I wouldn't be surprised if you could upgrade your suit as well.

Seems unlikely that at the end of the game, 1 punch = your entire bar drained.

[Beezy]

There better be suit upgrades. Melee draining your bar is the only problem I have with the game right now.

[cool breeze]

this guy does the demo in under 5 minutes

[youtube=560,345]kpYWRIFmRcU[/youtube]

[demi]

See that's my problem. I was playing it like Bayo. You have to pop and stop and stay far. The boosting is just to reach enemies in rapid succession. I will try the demo again knowing this.

Bayo definitely poos on this.

[Bebpo]

I didn't know you could ride the robots :O

[Beezy]

I didn't know you could ride the robots :O

smh

[Himu]

this guy does the demo in under 5 minutes

[youtube=560,345]kpYWRIFmRcU[/youtube]

JAPANESE GAMING

[Bebpo]

I didn't know you could ride the robots :O

smh

Was too busy killing all the dudes!  Took them out in a few mins, then went up the ramp that opens and grabbed the turret guns and cleared the rest out until the boss came.

[iconoclast]

Nice. Never thought about fighting the robut on the bottom floor. I always used the first turret to kill the transport and then saved the second turret for the boss fighter so I can kill him in one knockdown. That should save a good chunk of time and even earn more points.

expertly designed japa games

[cool breeze]

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3181373

apparently this game was even faster but it was toned down because people couldn't handle the speed 

and random westerners were the reason the robot dog portable cover wasn't in 

[Himu]

[youtube=560,345]PDDmMGvVUvs[/youtube]

holy shit

[Brehvolution]

Looks so sick. 

[iconoclast]

Looks amazing. GOTY material fo sho.

[iconoclast]

The new Vanquish demo is up on the Japanese PSN, I don't see it on the US PSN or XBL yet.

It's basically just a challenge mode that ends after 5 waves of enemies. It does have new weapons to try out and new enemies to kill though. And for some reason the scoring window is turned off, but it does give you your completion time once you finish (I got 10:25 for my first attempt).

Game's still amazing. GotY status reconfirmed.

[cool breeze]

second demo is amazing.  Much harder than the first one.  I haven't finished it yet but I was on the last wave, last enemy, and the guy trapped me in a corner when I was grabbing grenades.  I ran out of ammo and did a melee hoping it would take him out.  It just left him with the smallest bit of health and me sad.

[iconoclast]

I saved the two AT-ST walker mechs for the final wave, so when all of those guys came they were quickly obliterated.

I bet the rocket launcher works pretty well on them, I still haven't used that. I like to do the sliding dropkick to the big guys since it does a ton of damage and you can go into bullet time in mid air. Pretty easy way to kill a single one quickly.

[Third]

The game is out. Anyone copped it?

[maxy]

Nope.Fallout is next.
I hear it's pretty short.

But where is Two Worlds 2,even pirates are avoiding it

[Beezy]

The game is out. Anyone copped it?

Doesn't it come out on Tuesday?

[Beezy]

I see. Shouldn't we have reviews for it from the main sites by now?

[demi]

Nope.Fallout is next.
I hear it's pretty short.

But where is Two Worlds 2,even pirates are avoiding it

Because you sHOULDNT PIRATE it maxy.

[cool breeze]

The only time thrown around is four hours or so.  I think it is pure action and none of that cinematic wank.

[Raban]

The only time thrown around is four hours or so.  I think it is pure action and none of that cinematic wank.

As long as it has replay value I'm fine with this. Four hours is painfully short though. I was hoping at least 6-8.

[bork]

GameInformer (in their review): "Don't be surprised if you finish your first playthrough in four hours."

Platinum Games (via Twitter): "Really? Because it would surprise the hell out of us."

[Raban]

link?

[Beezy]

link?

http://twitter.com/PG_jp/status/27402569038

[Raban]

Man, I hope Platinum knows what they're talking about. In most games, devs set completion times higher than what is actually true all the damn time. I'm really stoked for this game but four hours for $60?