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kingv · « **Reply #22260 on:** July 26, 2019, 01:20:31 PM »

I am curious what the partner cards for the 5700XT will look like.

The reviews make me think that the blower being trash might be throttling the hell out of that card.

Nintex · « **Reply #22261 on:** July 26, 2019, 02:25:46 PM »

Quote from: kingv on July 26, 2019, 01:20:31 PM

I am curious what the partner cards for the 5700XT will look like.

The reviews make me think that the blower being trash might be throttling the hell out of that card.

At a 2.1 ghz overclock on custom cooling the card gets an average of 5% to 7% performance boost

AIB versions will run cooler and won't be as noisy but it seem that a memory-bandwidth bottleneck is holding back further performance gains with the 256 bit memory bus and there's even talk of some built-in hardware limitation that keeps it from going beyond 2.1 ghz. For its price the 5700XT is not a bad card at all but if was stanning for AMD and not in a hurry to upgrade I would hold out for a 5800XT instead.

Bebpo · « **Reply #22262 on:** July 26, 2019, 03:09:07 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on July 26, 2019, 07:13:19 AM

According to Benchmarks:
Wolfenstein: The New Collusus - 4k Ultra @ 92fps
Shadow of the Tomb Raider - 4k Ultra @ 45fps
GTAV - 4k Ultra @ 55fps
Forza Horizion 4 - 4k Ultra @ 63fps
Battlefield 4 - 4k Ultra @ 60fps

Most games get you in the range of 60fps on 4k.

See this honestly makes me sad. The 980 was what? 3 years ago at this point? And I was running maxed GTAV in 4k at an unstable 30-40fps. 3 jumps later in tech and still not at 60fps is eh.

Generally I don't like to upgrade cards until the new one doubles the performance of the previous one. So games that were doing 30fps at 4k are now doing 60fps. This seems pretty close, but the fact that it's not clear and stable there is a bummer.

Also I have 2 980GTXs and been running them SLI so for games that support SLI basically been getting like 1.5x-1.75x 980 performance already so this isn't much of a leap. Now since 75% of games do not support SLI (maybe more like 95% these days don't support it), yeah it's still a good upgrade.

I'll probably jump in on these models, but might wait one more year to upgrade.

The game that taxes my rig the most is Hitman 1/2. I tried playing the new Bank map and I don't think I'm even hitting 30fps at 1080p without SLI (haven't tried SLI but I think Hitman does support it and it helps). I usually keep SLI defaulted off and only turn it on for specific games when I need the extra performance because SLI on fucks up a lot of games.

How does my cpu still hold up these days? I'm running an i7-4790 at 4ghz w/16gb ram. Wondering if I should just do a new build from scratch in the next year.

nachobro · « **Reply #22263 on:** July 26, 2019, 03:16:00 PM »

i7 4790K (4.0ghz, wasn't overlocking) w/ 16gb DDR3 RAM was what I was running and the Ryzen 3600 w/ 16gb DDR4 RAM has been a pretty big leap for games and photoshop performance for me even though I kept the same GPU. I've seen benchmarks that put the performance at 2+ times the speed of my older setup and it does kinda feel like that. I'm really digging it and it was a surprisingly cheap upgrade -- $200 for the 3600, around $100 for mobo, $70 for RAM.

The GPU benchmarks Nintex are citing are for the 2070 so that's a mid(ish) level Nvidia card. The 2080ti is the big boy super card and blows the 970/980 cards out of the water but its $1000-1200 so you are gonna be dropping some dough on it. 4K is a big leap since it's basically 4x1080p so it can still be a challenge for mid level cards to get over 60fps with max settings.

Also part of it is that AMD has not really been competitive in the GPU market so Nvidia has no reason to keep pushing the line.

Bebpo · « **Reply #22264 on:** July 26, 2019, 03:49:39 PM »

Yeah, I've been hesitant to believe my cpu was holding me back because I swear I only built this rig like 3-4 years ago and it was top tier at the time, but considering Hitman is super CPU intensive with hundreds of npcs, I'd probably see a big upgrade in performance from a cpu upgrade.

I think either later this year or early next year I'll just do a whole new rebuild with new cpu/ram/gpu, maybe upgrade my 1080p monitor. What amount of ram is recommended these days? Are we up to 32gb being normal?

Rufus · « **Reply #22265 on:** July 26, 2019, 04:16:09 PM »

8 GB 38.36%
16 GB 33.89%

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

16GB is A-OK. You don't need more if gaming is the heaviest load. RAM prices are sane again, though, so...

nachobro · « **Reply #22266 on:** July 26, 2019, 04:37:58 PM »

Yeah 16gb is still fine for gaming. Lots of sites are pushing getting faster RAM rather than more RAM over 16gb

benjipwns · « **Reply #22267 on:** July 26, 2019, 05:30:24 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on July 25, 2019, 05:51:15 PM

Got the Gigabyte Geforce RTX 2070 Super Aorus.

Boost clock tops out at 1905 mhz(!) on this model vs. the 1770 for the founders and 1815mhz for the MSI Gaming or Gigabyte Gaming OC.

BFV@1440p - Ultra Settings - Ray Tracing/DLSS ON = 68fps
BFV@1440p - Ultra Settings - Ray Tracing/DLSS OFF = 100+ fps

time to play some QUAKE II

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #22268 on:** July 26, 2019, 05:46:49 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on July 26, 2019, 05:30:24 PM

Quote from: Nintex on July 25, 2019, 05:51:15 PM
Got the Gigabyte Geforce RTX 2070 Super Aorus.

Boost clock tops out at 1905 mhz(!) on this model vs. the 1770 for the founders and 1815mhz for the MSI Gaming or Gigabyte Gaming OC.

BFV@1440p - Ultra Settings - Ray Tracing/DLSS ON = 68fps
BFV@1440p - Ultra Settings - Ray Tracing/DLSS OFF = 100+ fps

time to play some QUAKE II

(BethNet login required)

nachobro · « **Reply #22269 on:** July 26, 2019, 09:17:34 PM »

https://twitter.com/CORSAIR/status/1154425188169048064

Doomguy definitely not in Smash now

benjipwns · « **Reply #22270 on:** July 26, 2019, 09:56:29 PM »

damn, wish i had some gaming deodorant for those heated gamer moments

kingv · « **Reply #22271 on:** July 26, 2019, 10:48:39 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on July 26, 2019, 03:09:07 PM

Quote from: Nintex on July 26, 2019, 07:13:19 AM
According to Benchmarks:
Wolfenstein: The New Collusus - 4k Ultra @ 92fps
Shadow of the Tomb Raider - 4k Ultra @ 45fps
GTAV - 4k Ultra @ 55fps
Forza Horizion 4 - 4k Ultra @ 63fps
Battlefield 4 - 4k Ultra @ 60fps

Most games get you in the range of 60fps on 4k.

See this honestly makes me sad. The 980 was what? 3 years ago at this point? And I was running maxed GTAV in 4k at an unstable 30-40fps. 3 jumps later in tech and still not at 60fps is eh.

Generally I don't like to upgrade cards until the new one doubles the performance of the previous one. So games that were doing 30fps at 4k are now doing 60fps. This seems pretty close, but the fact that it's not clear and stable there is a bummer.

Also I have 2 980GTXs and been running them SLI so for games that support SLI basically been getting like 1.5x-1.75x 980 performance already so this isn't much of a leap. Now since 75% of games do not support SLI (maybe more like 95% these days don't support it), yeah it's still a good upgrade.

I'll probably jump in on these models, but might wait one more year to upgrade.

The game that taxes my rig the most is Hitman 1/2. I tried playing the new Bank map and I don't think I'm even hitting 30fps at 1080p without SLI (haven't tried SLI but I think Hitman does support it and it helps). I usually keep SLI defaulted off and only turn it on for specific games when I need the extra performance because SLI on fucks up a lot of games.

How does my cpu still hold up these days? I'm running an i7-4790 at 4ghz w/16gb ram. Wondering if I should just do a new build from scratch in the next year.

Kind of in a similar boat. I’m still running a 970, and just can’t quite bite the bullet on an upgrade.

Not exactly sure when I will either.

bluemax · « **Reply #22272 on:** July 26, 2019, 11:15:13 PM »

Quote from: nachobro on July 25, 2019, 03:32:52 PM

what does that even mean?

It means the enemies are dumb as bricks but they can animation cancel and you can't so you'll get fucked by bullshit.

Nintex · « **Reply #22273 on:** July 27, 2019, 07:38:05 AM »

https://twitter.com/Nirbion/status/1154881260029796352

nachobro · « **Reply #22274 on:** July 27, 2019, 09:31:06 AM »

Quote from: kingv on July 26, 2019, 10:48:39 PM

Kind of in a similar boat. I’m still running a 970, and just can’t quite bite the bullet on an upgrade.

Not exactly sure when I will either.

970s are actually a special case. That 3.5gb RAM really didn't age well heh. Even the AMD equivalent card at the time (R9 290) is outperforming it these days. A 1080 or 2060 (non-Super or TI) basically doubles your performance in any game out there and can be had for relatively cheap.

Rufus · « **Reply #22275 on:** July 27, 2019, 11:13:45 AM »

Quote from: bluemax on July 26, 2019, 11:15:13 PM

Quote from: nachobro on July 25, 2019, 03:32:52 PM
what does that even mean?

It means the enemies are dumb as bricks but they can animation cancel and you can't so you'll get fucked by bullshit.

I love how upset you are when Miyazaki games break with conventional game dev wisdom.

MMaRsu · « **Reply #22276 on:** July 27, 2019, 11:16:41 AM »

Rufus · « **Reply #22277 on:** July 27, 2019, 11:35:58 AM »

How the fuck did he manage to turn this into a 12 minute video?

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #22278 on:** July 27, 2019, 11:41:50 AM »

Normal Person: You gotta sign up for BNet to play these games? Ugh, that's dumb.

Youtuber: Yooooooooo, listen up everybody, Bethesda just SCREWED UP!!!! *5-second ad* They put Bethesda Net sign up in these old games from way back in the Stone Age!!! How insane is that!!! YEET these games in the garbage amirite!! *15-second ad* Yooooooo check out all these hella sweet memes that people are posting on social media!! Bethesda must be run by a bunch of IDIOTS!! *5-second ad* Remember to like, comment, and subscribe! Also, ring the bell to get notifications.

Nintex · « **Reply #22279 on:** July 27, 2019, 12:51:24 PM »

YouTube is slowly but surely turning into cable TV just after it started so well.

MMaRsu · « **Reply #22280 on:** July 27, 2019, 01:00:08 PM »

Quote from: Rufus on July 27, 2019, 11:35:58 AM

How the fuck did he manage to turn this into a 12 minute video?

He also talked about how they removed the old versions from XBLA and replaced them with versions you have to buy, but that seems to be a glitch

I still have DOOM on my 360 and it boots up just fine just dont remove it

MMaRsu · « **Reply #22281 on:** July 27, 2019, 01:10:12 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on July 27, 2019, 12:51:24 PM

YouTube is slowly but surely turning into cable TV just after it started so well.

tiesto · « **Reply #22282 on:** July 27, 2019, 04:38:26 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 27, 2019, 11:41:50 AM

Normal Person: You gotta sign up for BNet to play these games? Ugh, that's dumb.

Youtuber: Yooooooooo, listen up everybody, Bethesda just SCREWED UP!!!! *5-second ad* They put Bethesda Net sign up in these old games from way back in the Stone Age!!! How insane is that!!! YEET these games in the garbage amirite!! *15-second ad* Yooooooo check out all these hella sweet memes that people are posting on social media!! Bethesda must be run by a bunch of IDIOTS!! *5-second ad* Remember to like, comment, and subscribe! Also, ring the bell to get notifications.

I've been hankering to give Doom 1 and 2 a replay, did Knee Deep in the Dead at Magfest earlier in the year and it felt like such a breath of fresh air considering the direction the genre took in the meanwhile. I guess I'll just stick to GOG...

Chooky · « **Reply #22283 on:** July 27, 2019, 06:17:45 PM »

did anyone here pick up doom 2 yet? does it have that No Rest For the Living expansion that was added to later versions?

benjipwns · « **Reply #22284 on:** July 27, 2019, 08:12:27 PM »

Doom II on XBLA includes it, as does the Doom II that's in Doom 3 BFG (I believe the two are essentially the same "game" just one is stuck inside the menu of the other, same achievements, etc.)

Chooky · « **Reply #22285 on:** July 27, 2019, 09:46:52 PM »

right, i've played it before and it's really good. that's why i'm hoping they included it on the switch port.

nachobro · « **Reply #22286 on:** July 27, 2019, 10:02:05 PM »

Quote from: Chooky on July 27, 2019, 06:17:45 PM

did anyone here pick up doom 2 yet? does it have that No Rest For the Living expansion that was added to later versions?

nope

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #22287 on:** July 27, 2019, 10:35:27 PM »

https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1155140773215649793

Chooky · « **Reply #22288 on:** July 27, 2019, 11:41:57 PM »

Quote from: nachobro on July 27, 2019, 10:02:05 PM

Quote from: Chooky on July 27, 2019, 06:17:45 PM
did anyone here pick up doom 2 yet? does it have that No Rest For the Living expansion that was added to later versions?
nope

FUCK WHAT THE HELL MAN

also that tweet doesn't say anything about removing the online-only requirement for doom 3 wtf

Rahxephon91 · « **Reply #22289 on:** July 29, 2019, 01:40:03 AM »

Wolfenstien YoungBlood is pretty bad.

"Yeah lets make a game thats everything people probably did'nt want in a Wolfenstein game"

Momo · « **Reply #22290 on:** July 29, 2019, 02:17:41 AM »

linked already?

EDIT: Also

kingv · « **Reply #22291 on:** July 29, 2019, 08:56:01 AM »

That savior game just looks like it will have crazy input lag.

Nintex · « **Reply #22292 on:** July 29, 2019, 10:21:25 AM »

Do not sleep on what could be the GOTY

Alan Wake x Quantum Break x Metroid =

MMaRsu · « **Reply #22293 on:** July 29, 2019, 04:20:19 PM »

I watched these videos the other day and thought they were pretty cool

Some more of that quality Youtube Cable Nintex was talking about

Now that's some quality content

Bebpo · « **Reply #22294 on:** July 29, 2019, 04:38:52 PM »

Quote from: Rahxephon91 on July 29, 2019, 01:40:03 AM

Wolfenstien YoungBlood is pretty bad.

"Yeah lets make a game thats everything people probably did'nt want in a Wolfenstein game"

Too bad I like Arkane.

bork · « **Reply #22295 on:** July 29, 2019, 05:15:22 PM »

"Inspired"

kingv · « **Reply #22296 on:** July 29, 2019, 07:07:49 PM »

Quote from: nachobro on July 27, 2019, 09:31:06 AM

Quote from: kingv on July 26, 2019, 10:48:39 PM
Kind of in a similar boat. I’m still running a 970, and just can’t quite bite the bullet on an upgrade.

Not exactly sure when I will either.
970s are actually a special case. That 3.5gb RAM really didn't age well heh. Even the AMD equivalent card at the time (R9 290) is outperforming it these days. A 1080 or 2060 (non-Super or TI) basically doubles your performance in any game out there and can be had for relatively cheap.

Wait, really?!

I thought the 2060 was basically a a 1070 equivalent. I passed on the 1070 when it came out because it didn’t looked like it was basically the same performance per $ (on the games at launch).

One thing is once a card is sort of old, they tend not to benchmark it anymore, which I find annoying.

Edit: I mostly play PC at 1080P on medium, so that might be why I haven’t really felt the pain of the 970. I have basically still been able to hit 60fps.

Mids Still Selling.

nachobro · « **Reply #22297 on:** July 29, 2019, 07:23:57 PM »

1070 is basically a 980ti equivalent so anything in the 20 series is gonna be a big jump for you. I have a 1070 now and I'm looking at a 2070 as my next upgrade.

If you're playing 1080/60 then I wouldn't rush to upgrade unless you really are dying to play on max settings. But if you have some extra cash during Black Friday and are thinking of an boost a new GPU and 1080/120 monitor would both be great upgrades and you'd see a nice improvement, depending on your other components.

With the gaming performance of the new Ryzens and the new Super Nvidia cards pushing the non-Supers to go on sale for Black Friday if not sooner (plus the 5700xt possibly being legit), this is gonna be the perfect year to build a new PC on a medium budget. Assuming RAM prices stay sane, of course.

benjipwns · « **Reply #22298 on:** July 29, 2019, 11:35:04 PM »

the 3.5GB ram is even worse iirc because it's setup in separate 3GB and 512MB ram pools or something stupid like that

we had some discussion at the time before about how if you were looking to buy once for the generation you didn't really want to buy with less than 6GB because the consoles maxed out at 5GB and the cards were already more powerful

when Microsoft announces their next console next year we'll know more about exactly what an upgrade path should look like if ones goal is to keep at that 60fps overpower range

plus there probably shouldn't be a cyptro caused shortage again

kingv · « **Reply #22299 on:** July 30, 2019, 01:06:23 AM »

Honestly, I can’t really complain too much about the 970. It was solidly faster than the base PS4 for all the games I’ve played on it.

Biggest thing holding me back is that that price point is almost freaking abandoned so I feel like I need a lot more muscle than a normal generational jump to justify it.

I kind of went 970 -> X1X/PS4Pro for 4K, and I’m not sure how interested I am in another upgrade until I can hit a 4K/60 at a reasonable price point.

Anyone doing 1440P/60 on a 4K screen? Does it scale decently? 2070 super has me thinking about it, but those suckers are still really pricy (imo).

Mr Gilhaney · « **Reply #22300 on:** July 30, 2019, 08:31:14 AM »

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1156173495182622722

nachobro · « **Reply #22301 on:** July 30, 2019, 09:37:45 AM »

Quote from: kingv on July 30, 2019, 01:06:23 AM

Honestly, I can’t really complain too much about the 970. It was solidly faster than the base PS4 for all the games I’ve played on it.

Biggest thing holding me back is that that price point is almost freaking abandoned so I feel like I need a lot more muscle than a normal generational jump to justify it.

I kind of went 970 -> X1X/PS4Pro for 4K, and I’m not sure how interested I am in another upgrade until I can hit a 4K/60 at a reasonable price point.

Anyone doing 1440P/60 on a 4K screen? Does it scale decently? 2070 super has me thinking about it, but those suckers are still really pricy (imo).

Radeon 5700XT is performing at 2070 Super level for $400, just without any raytracing. Once the third party cards hit that may be the GPU you want to look at for good performance at that price range. I believe the first one will be coming out next week so we'll see how the card does with proper cooling.

Quote from: benjipwns on July 29, 2019, 11:35:04 PM

the 3.5GB ram is even worse iirc because it's setup in separate 3GB and 512MB ram pools or something stupid like that

970 is a 4GB card but 3.5gb is in one pool and 512mb in the other. But I got the card for $350 on sale and another $30 back from the lawsuit over it so for that price it did real well for me (and my wife is currently using the same card in her hand me down PC and it's doing pretty good)

MMaRsu · « **Reply #22302 on:** July 30, 2019, 11:42:40 AM »

https://twitter.com/kerma4kHD/status/1155642875402739712

toku · « **Reply #22303 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:09:26 PM »

bork · « **Reply #22304 on:** July 30, 2019, 05:21:38 PM »

https://gematsu.com/2019/07/sword-art-online-alicization-lycoris-first-alice-gameplay-screenshot

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Attendees of Sword Art Online Beaters Meeting 2019 at Belle Salle Akihabara in Tokyo on August 18 will be able to play as Alice in the hands-on demo being exhibited