Author Topic: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)  (Read 3884 times)

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OptimoPeach

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Someone pointed out that the opera house used in this episode is the same one that was seen in those BSG dream sequences. That's pretty neat
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chronovore

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Altlivia walks differently, too. When she approaches the group at the opera house, it's really clear. Her speech patterns, yeah, they're different, but she also is missing a kind of reserve that Olivia always displays. It's entirely likely they won't have Peter make the connection; it will likely be Olivia's niece and maybe no-one will believe her. It may last two episodes, but probably one -- I'm expecting a two-hour season premiere as well.

The only real issues I had with it were technical, but in a series about cartoon physics, it's hard to worry about logic a whole lot:
Bell says they were monitoring all communication, best not to use a cell, because the monitoring is probably how they knew about the meeting in the park. But while the more totalitarian America in the alternate universe may be monitoring cells, what would that have to do with Nina's weird, one-way email communication? And if they knew Bell was involved with a meeting at the park, why not arrest him at the hospital. Actually, I guess the notification about the park need not implicitly involve Bell, just that an email from the other side specified a meeting in the park.

Olivia's awareness of this parallel world, being in synch with it, sometimes being able to phase into it, have come only accidentally or with guidance from Walter. She was supposedly able to open the door only with the help of the other Cortexapham babies, but instead the plan became "open a crack and set up a doorstop." How does Altlivia open the crack? How does she even know what she's supposed to do on that opera house stage?

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Olivia wasn't supposed to open a crack, the crack was already there. That's why they chose the opera house, or else they would have just done it anywhere with Olivia.
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Diunx

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Yeah, the crack was there from when Walter's x-men first went to that universe.
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chronovore

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Bitchin'. I am always happy to have my suspension of disbelief reinforced.

I thought the "matching tattoos with her boyfriend" means of displaying Altlivia was heavy handed.

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You think that, but then stupid people would go, "I DON'T GET IT HOW DID OLIVIA BECOME A BAD GUY" without it. It sucks, but sometimes you can't be as subtle as you want when you're marketing a product for the masses.
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Yeti

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Was her boyfriend someone I was supposed to recognize or just some random schmuck?

Same question for the alternate Fringe leader guy who got fried by pyro girl.
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chronovore

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No, but what was interesting is that Alternate Team Leader recognized either the pyro girl or empathy lad. He looked confused and said, "Lee?" or "Leigh?" and hesitated before firing. He'll be back, I'm guessing. He may even turn to our side, since he'll realize that the Secretary is withholding information (there is more than one of everything (Except Peter)) that nearly cost him his life due to hesitation.

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He recognized Nick Lane, who was a reoccurring character from Season One. Prior to Olivia and James Heath (the guy healing the bunny, who was giving people cancer earlier in the season), he was one of few people that survived the Cortexifan trials. Like Heath, the show left him in a drug-induced coma at the end of the episode.

So yeah, there's a Nick Lane in the alternate universe, but I don't think it'll do Olivia much good since Walternate never did the Cortexifan trials since he neved hooked up with William Bell. I think it was meant to create a way to connect a few of the alternate Fringe officers to Olivia, and see if she can turn a few alternate universe folks in hopes of busting her out (anyone doubt that Charlie might be a good guy?).

I think what might end up saving our universe are the surviving Cortexifan subjects, oddly enough the result of Walter Bishop's most barbaric work. It's one of the few scientific instruments we have up on the other universe.
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chronovore

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Yeah, I recall Olivia's pair partner, which is why he was able to project to her. I also remembered about the drug-induced coma; thought it was interesting that they were able to basically trot them out and train them up without really telling anyone what was going on. I mean, I'd have actually assumed a lot darker stuff, if the last thing I heard from Broyles is that they're out of the picture, and now I hear that they've long-since recovered and have been trained up. Then again, Broyles is the king of "need to know" information dissemination.

As Bell says, Walter asked for parts of his brain to be removed because he was afraid of becoming something bad. Presumably that is what Walternate is, since he is in a position of unassailable power, remarkably intelligent, and because of no Bell influence, assumes himself without peer. He is untethered by morality, and very likely feels justifying destruction of our entire world because someone was able to come over to his world and steal his son.

It dawns on me that I'm really looking forward to seeing the Walter and Walternate conversation at some point.

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I was hoping to read more wild speculation regarding the Fringe finale, so I visited the wikia site to see if there were any more recent notes or trivia about the other side. The wikia site was surprisingly undernourished, but there was a funny note about the "Brown Betty" episode where Walter tells the detective story to Olivia's niece.

I'd already made the connection between The Observers and Marvel's "The Watcher" character. They're both weird, aloof, big-bald-headed characters which observe and are forbidden from interfering -- and just as frequently fail to stay on the sidelines. What I finally realized is that the whole premise for the alternate universe is also a big "What If..." scenario, the comic book series where The Watcher almost exclusively made his appearances.

I know JJ Abrams is a big geek, but I'd not known the show creators were big comic geeks until the framed comics showed up on the wall in the season finale. What's funny is I hate the "What If..." comics line, but love Fringe.