Returning to Liberty City: Himu buys GTAIV Episodes

[brawndolicious]

saints row had a silent character and while most of the story missions were gang-on-gang, there were drug trafficking missions where you'd have to shoot at dozens of police officers and of course one of the car-jacking animations if you were holding a gun was shooting the driver in the head.

And as wrath mentioned, there was that first mission when you got into the San Andreas version of SF where you blow up a bunch of buildings and equipment on a construction site and then bury the foreman in cement.
 
Maybe Mafia 3 or something won't have these extraordinarily psychopathic situations but they'll always be a staple of open-world crime games.

[Himu]

Shooting at dozens of police officers comes with the territory. I thought Saints Row kept it pretty straight and involved only gang/criminal related activities pretty well. I never felt like a psycho playing it and the silent character was a big plus, in my opinion. I still haven't played Saints Row 2.

I haven't played that part in SA in years. I can never have enough energy to get past Los Santos when replaying SA. The pacing in that game is awful.

[Raban]

Himuro it's a video game ffs

Gamer with a conscience smh.

[brawndolicious]

The only time I ever had a problem with shooting innocents in a game was in kane & lynch, because it actually put the effort into making everything have a consistent and realistic tone.

The only time an "open-world" game really makes you stick with your moral decisions is in WRPG's like Mass Effect or Fable because they have a very narrow focus as to how you can kill.  Games like gta are about making a living city and then letting you kill, beat, fuck nearly anything you want.

[OptimoPeach]

I was pretty annoyed when I discovered that you couldn't kill kids in Fallout 3. I especially wanted to annihilate those mouthy little shits that live in the caves leading to a Vault

[Raban]

I was pretty annoyed when I discovered that you couldn't kill kids in Fallout 3. I especially wanted to annihilate those mouthy little shits that live in the caves leading to a Vault

I got pretty annoyed when I couldn't kill my vault-crush in the beginning of the game, and that after a full clip of bullets in her head, she was only unconcious.

[Bebpo]

I was pretty annoyed when I discovered that you couldn't kill kids in Fallout 3. I especially wanted to annihilate those mouthy little shits that live in the caves leading to a Vault

mods

[Himu]

I dunno. A lot of things that didn't bother me about gta and open-ended games in general years ago really get to me. It's the whole...mindlessness of it all. Like, the part in Gay Tony where that guy is tied to a golf cart and you have to aim the golf balls at him and manage to hit him?

Past GTA games are arguably just as juvenile. Remember the part in Vice City where you fling a bunch of city lights onto a building and it shows a pair of tits. When it came out I was all,"lol" but now it just makes me roll my eyes.

I dunno if this has to do with me being older or the fact that I just can't stand needless violence anymore - and surprisingly, that was one of my least favorite aspects of past gta games.

I know I'll probably get a out of Stoney, but I'm just being honest here. This is kind of why in every game that has the option, I play as a stealth/rogue/no-killing character.

That said, I do enjoy gore. I don't know, I'm going in circles here.

[The Sceneman]

I was pretty annoyed when I discovered that you couldn't kill kids in Fallout 3. I especially wanted to annihilate those mouthy little shits that live in the caves leading to a Vault

mods

what if hes a real gamer and playing Fallout on 360?

[fistfulofmetal]

I think it's all relative to the tone the game is trying to put forth. GTA3, Vice City, and SA all weren't trying to hide how juvenile they where. They relished in it, infact. And it's because of this fact that I can enjoy how silly they are and how crazy the missions are.
GTA4 however is completely different. It tries to be realistic and it tries to tell a heartfelt story yet it sabotages these attempts at nearly every corner. I have a hard time enjoying it when the tone of the game is so opposite to the actions that are taking place.

This is why I enjoyed RDR as much as I did. It stays pretty true to it's tone throughout... for the most part.

[brawndolicious]

Yeah, with gta4 they basically wanted to make a serious crime game but it was held back by the fact that it had gta in the title.

[demi]

I was pretty annoyed when I discovered that you couldn't kill kids in Fallout 3. I especially wanted to annihilate those mouthy little shits that live in the caves leading to a Vault

I used this glitch to level up to 20 in 30 minutes

[Ichirou]

Explain glitch.

[demi]

There was a glitch with the Mr. Sandman perk, that gives you EXP bonus for killing people in their sleep. You could use it on children. But since you cant kill children, you could repeat it as necessary

[Ichirou]

There was a glitch with the Mr. Sandman perk, that gives you EXP bonus for killing people in their sleep. You could use it on children. But since you cant kill children, you could repeat it as necessary

Lemme guess, it was patched?

[demi]

You can just clear your cache and play offline

[Ichirou]

Oh, good idea.  huahuahua

[demi]

You can also do the convo glitch in Big Town

[OptimoPeach]

Ha wow, and here I thought Mr. Sandman was totally worthless

[brawndolicious]

Well you'd get up to level 30 anyways just doing all of the quests, even just the ones that are worth achievements.

[Himu]

I think it's all relative to the tone the game is trying to put forth. GTA3, Vice City, and SA all weren't trying to hide how juvenile they where. They relished in it, infact. And it's because of this fact that I can enjoy how silly they are and how crazy the missions are.
GTA4 however is completely different. It tries to be realistic and it tries to tell a heartfelt story yet it sabotages these attempts at nearly every corner. I have a hard time enjoying it when the tone of the game is so opposite to the actions that are taking place.

This is why I enjoyed RDR as much as I did. It stays pretty true to it's tone throughout... for the most part.

This is how I feel. One minute the game is trying to be serious and then the next minute I'm flinging golf balls at a guy chained a golf cart. Whatever. I'm enjoying it but it's clear to me I'm not "getting" something.

[Raban]

Is Saint's Row 2 good on PC? Does it have native 360 pad support?

[Himu]

Apparently with the patches installed.

btw, I think TLAD is better at keeping a consistent tone, at least what I've played so far. When I finish it I'll let you know what I think fistful.

[demi]

Is Saint's Row 2 good on PC? Does it have native 360 pad support?

No. Buy 360 and play with me.

[Raban]

Is Saint's Row 2 good on PC? Does it have native 360 pad support?

No. Buy 360 and play with me.

You'd play with me? I'll get that shit tomorrow then, haha!

[demi]

I havent touched the game since I want to play it entirely co-op

[Raban]

I havent touched the game since I want to play it entirely co-op

Dude let's do it, then. I think I'm off work tomorrow, so I got the whole day to play.

[demi]

Well I DONT... so you have to wait until sometime after 3 EST

[chronovore]

My 360 version was pretty buggy, and there was one mission where the game wouldn't run more than literally 2 fps, it was the boat mission.

2fps? Sounds like GTA not Saints Row

No, Methodis is right (for once); the opening mission in SR2, when escaping the prison, can run really chuggy. It's worse in co-op, where I believe their physics implementation is attempting to resolve the water in an inefficient manner.

can i buy new threads in tlad? guess i'll search algonquin for some clothing stores

No. You get clothes for some missions, and that's it. You get a weird, muted "patchwork" suit for working the nightclub, and I think you get a varsity jacket when you work for your mom. There are no humorous outfits, nothing unusual, just 4 or 5 urban outfits. And there's a big hit for each outfit load when trying to scroll through them in the apartment. At least RDR just uses easily loaded bitmaps until the player decides on one.

I take it you aren't a western movie fan.

God no, awful redneck movies. But I wanted to give this game a chance because I like sandbox games. I like it in the beginning. But it gets boring really fast. IMO.
I'm going to kill myself if the next GTA is based on the Western.

This is like someone who hates comics or superheroes playing Batman Arkham Asylum, or someone who hates basketball playing one of the ESPN NBA games. Even if it's the best treatment of the genre ever, why would you ever play it? I hear what you're saying about liking sandbox games, but the prerequisite for enjoying one is that you're compelled to spend time in that world.

[Ichirou]

I havent touched the game since I want to play it entirely co-op

Dude let's do it, then. I think I'm off work tomorrow, so I got the whole day to play.

How many people can play co-op together in a game?  I would join your gang.

[Raban]

I havent touched the game since I want to play it entirely co-op

Dude let's do it, then. I think I'm off work tomorrow, so I got the whole day to play.

How many people can play co-op together in a game?  I would join your gang.

It's only 2P for co-op

We can play RDR together though since demi doesn't have it because he's a lame-o

[cool breeze]

Is Saint's Row 2 good on PC? Does it have native 360 pad support?

Saint's Row 2 on PC is a terrible port, one of the worst.  Get it on 360 and play with demi.

[chronovore]

Yes, SR2 is apparently unplayable even on high end PC rigs. On the other hand, the 360 version is available on the cheap, and provides, in my personal experience, over 100 hours of entertaining mayhem.

[cool breeze]

It was totally playable, it's just not much of an improvement over the 360 version considering all the niceties of the 360 platform.  Only reason I played it was because it was in the THQ steam pack I got.  If I feel like playing Saints Row 2, I'll still do it on my 360.

[The Sceneman]

In this video Rockstar tells Himuro their true feelings for longtime GTA fans, even though they have pissed all over them with GTA IV. Then Himuro cries. Watch now!
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[Ichirou]

I havent touched the game since I want to play it entirely co-op

Dude let's do it, then. I think I'm off work tomorrow, so I got the whole day to play.

How many people can play co-op together in a game?  I would join your gang.

It's only 2P for co-op

We can play RDR together though since demi doesn't have it because he's a lame-o

My copy STILL hasn't arrived from Play-Asia.  what the fuck.

[Himu]

In this video Rockstar tells Himuro their true feelings for longtime GTA fans, even though they have pissed all over them with GTA IV. Then Himuro cries. Watch now!
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Honestly, I don't like anything these days. So it's not much of a surprise.

Although I'm enjoying the expansions, i"m trying to beat them as fast as possible so I go back to gamestop, and take it back back and put down credit for Peace Walker. But I bet I won't even like Peace Walker.

[Raban]

I havent touched the game since I want to play it entirely co-op

Dude let's do it, then. I think I'm off work tomorrow, so I got the whole day to play.

How many people can play co-op together in a game?  I would join your gang.

It's only 2P for co-op

We can play RDR together though since demi doesn't have it because he's a lame-o

My copy STILL hasn't arrived from Play-Asia.  what the fuck.

Dude wtf kill the bastards

[chronovore]

I havent touched the game since I want to play it entirely co-op

Dude let's do it, then. I think I'm off work tomorrow, so I got the whole day to play.

How many people can play co-op together in a game?  I would join your gang.

It's only 2P for co-op

We can play RDR together though since demi doesn't have it because he's a lame-o

My copy STILL hasn't arrived from Play-Asia.  what the fuck.

My copy SHIPPED on 5/20 and arrived on 5/31; 11 days? Their previous worst performance was 9 days, so something is fishy between HK and JPN.

[Positive Touch]

In this video Rockstar tells Himuro their true feelings for longtime GTA fans, even though they have pissed all over them with GTA IV. Then Himuro cries. Watch now!

Honestly, I don't like anything these days. So it's not much of a surprise.

Although I'm enjoying the expansions, i"m trying to beat them as fast as possible so I go back to gamestop, and take it back back and put down credit for Peace Walker. But I bet I won't even like Peace Walker.

mgs will never be good again.  sell gta and get on saint's row 2 NOW.  it really is as good as the bore says it is.

[Raban]

I'm waiting for demi to get on

I'm gonna have to go out in a bit and run an errand.

[brawndolicious]

mgs will never be good again.  sell gta and get on saint's row 2 NOW.  it really is as good as the bore says it is.

I'm still on the first one but did they fix the shooting from the car controls?  In SR1, you have to shoot with A so you can't aim with the right stick, drive, and shoot like you can in GTA4 where the shoot button is on LB.  It's infuriating on missions that involves cars and shooting.

[Positive Touch]

iirc sr2 had shooting with the triggers.  don't remember any problems w/drinving and shooting

[Smooth Groove]

Been messing around with Gay Tony on the PC.  Game looks quite impressive with everything maxed out even though framerate is lower than what I'd like because stupid Rockstar still can't get multi-GPU configs to work properly. 

The lack of AA really hurts though.  Shimmering is a lot more apparent than those pics would indicate. 

[chronovore]

iirc sr2 had shooting with the triggers.  don't remember any problems w/drinving and shooting

Add to this SR2's "cruise control" so you can drive at a constant speed, allowing you to do other stuff like shoot, select a different weapon.

In GTA IV, it's all messed up. Shooting changes to a different button than normal, as does weapon-switch. 

[Smooth Groove]

The aiming system is what bothers me most in GTA.  Switching between free mode and lock-on is so damn clunky. 

[chronovore]

Huh. It's the same in RDR; LT to lock, release just a little to enter into free mode, pull RS down a little to aim for the head, BOOM.

To be honest, I don't like the lock-on in GTA IV, it doesn't feel right because it finds hidden enemies I can't even see. But in RDR it makes me feel like a badass gunslinger.

In most circumstances, I prefer Mercs and Saints Row's free aim only gameplay.

[Himu]

Dude, I turned lock on off.

[Himu]

Huh. It's the same in RDR; LT to lock, release just a little to enter into free mode, pull RS down a little to aim for the head, BOOM.

This doesn't make it good. It's an over complication. Most people want free aim, right? Why should have to press the button half way? With this feature on I was locking on all the time.

Also, the whole hold X/A to jog and tap it to run thing is beyond outdated and an only complicated control scheme for the most basic of controls: letting your character move.

The problem with the controls is that they clash with the game's mechanics and occasionally clunky physics. I try to get in a car to get away and always end up getting shot to death because the character takes 99999 seconds to open the fucking door. Or I end up getting popped because despite being behind cover my head is exposed.

[Stoney Mason]

I use to play GTA games in auto-aim but for TLAD I went free-aim and I've never looked back. That is the way I will play RDR.

Makes the game more challenging imo.

[Himu]

It does.

[cool breeze]

I play RDR with free aim and it's fine.  My problem with free aim in GTA4 on the 360/PS3 is that it feels really sluggish and I can't get used to it.  The way I'd end up playing it and the episodes was pressing the trigger in completely to lock onto the nearest enemy, then release a bit to put it into free aim.  RDR mostly feels responsive and playing GTA4 PC with my 360 controller feels fine. 

RDR in general has much better shooting imo.  I really like how powerful guns in that game feel.

[chronovore]

Huh. It's the same in RDR; LT to lock, release just a little to enter into free mode, pull RS down a little to aim for the head, BOOM.

This doesn't make it good. It's an over complication. Most people want free aim, right? Why should have to press the button half way? With this feature on I was locking on all the time.

Also, the whole hold X/A to jog and tap it to run thing is beyond outdated and an only complicated control scheme for the most basic of controls: letting your character move.

The problem with the controls is that they clash with the game's mechanics and occasionally clunky physics. I try to get in a car to get away and always end up getting shot to death because the character takes 99999 seconds to open the fucking door. Or I end up getting popped because despite being behind cover my head is exposed.

You're only going to catch me agreeing with you here. Yes, it's needlessly complex. Free aim was probably passed over because lock-on is what the GTA audience has come to expect.

[Himu]

YOU CAN'T DO THIS GANG WAR MISSION WITHOUT A BIKE

*spends 10 minutes looking for a fucking bike spawn*

*takes disc out of system and watches a movie instead*

Overall though, TLAD is pretty fun. Better than GTAIV for sure due to the mission variety.

[cool breeze]

you know you could just call up one of your bros and they'll deliver a special motorcycle to you

[Stoney Mason]

you know you could just call up one of your bros and they'll deliver a special motorcycle to you

Fatality on Himuro

[Himu]

I THINK I'm almost done with TLAD.

Dunno about  a final verdict but I think this is the best GTA since Vice City.

[Himu]

you know you could just call up one of your bros and they'll deliver a special motorcycle to you

I forgot about that.

[Stoney Mason]

I really liked TLAD as I mentioned earlier in the thread. It honestly surprised me how much I liked it. And they hit the right tone and aesthetic for that group. I like GTA 4 but I think TLAD is a superior game in a bite sized format. I also didn't find it as frustrating in some areas as I found Gay Tony.

[Himu]

I think it's GTA4 done right. GTA4's concept isn't bad but the execution of the later half of the game is flawed. TLAD fixes that by solving GTA4's biggest problem: the padded length and lack of mission of variety. I think it also helps it involves gangs and gang wars, something GTA4 was definitely missing.

I think if they take what they learned with GTA4 dlc, tighten up the controls, make the city more compact so it's not as a chore to drive around, I think the next GTA they're working on could be great.