KINECT: THE DAWN OF THE NEW AGE OF GAMING

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, that thing is pretty much useless to me now. Way to go, Microsoft.

[Third]

"I don't sit down when I play games or watch movies anyway"

- maxy

[maxy]

FUD

It doesn't have to capture whole skeleton points,only selected points...what would be the point of full skeletal gesture recognition while sitting

Jumping wouldn't work also.

IGN

[Saint Cornelius]

Yeah, that thing is pretty much useless to me now. Way to go, Microsoft.

You in a hurry to pack the pounds back on, man?

[maxy]

IGN

Check this demo when he goes to camera control
http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6265584/

Amateur fud

[TripleA]

Right now, Kinect only works when you stand. This includes menu navigation. All the cool options to grab a slider and advance through frames of a movie you are watching only work when you are on your feet. Kinect, we've been told, has problems handling your skeletal frame while sitting. The voice commands still work, but every game we've seen and even simple menu navigation have to be done with you out of your seat. That's not exactly how I want to watch my movies. If the focus for Kinect is creating games like Dance Central that naturally would require you to be off your couch, that's great. But I have to say, no one thinks "I am driving a car!" while standing up in their living room.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/109/1099085p1.html

  YOU CANNOT SIT AND USE KINECT   

DOA

HOLY SHIT, are they trying to KILL Kinect?

Jesus, this can't be true.

[Jansen]

why wouldn't you want this to be true? the faster kinect fails the quicker msft can get back to focusing on what's important - GAMES!!

[maxy]

why wouldn't you want this to be true? the faster kinect fails the quicker msft can get back to focusing on what's important - GAMES!!

Sfags would lose either way...there is no win for them

[Diunx]

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

why wouldn't you want this to be true? the faster kinect fails the quicker msft can get back to focusing on what's important - GAMES!!

Exactly.  The more fucked up, the better.

[pilonv1]

I was thinking "this must be bullshit", then I read the Forza Kinect preview and there's no breaking or accelerating, so this is fucked.

[TripleA]

why wouldn't you want this to be true? the faster kinect fails the quicker msft can get back to focusing on what's important - GAMES!!

Good point 

[iconoclast]

I hope the rumored $190 price point is true too. I'm not sure I've ever wanted a product to crash and burn so much before.

[Sho Nuff]

Dude I am literally standing next to miyamoto now at the kinect booth and he is watching people play Joyride with this amazing WTF look. I want to say YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Punch him in the nuts.

[TripleA]

Yes you can sit or stand with Kinect, depends on the game or experience.

http://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/status/16338175067

Translation: You can only sit while video chatting 

[Eel O'Brian]

the difference here is people who hate waggle as a control method hate every form of it, while triple a just wants to suck that glowing pink ball until it melts on his tongue

[TripleA]

the difference here is people who hate waggle as a control method hate every form of it, while triple a just wants to suck that glowing pink ball until it melts on his tongue

[Akala]

I actually just watched a few promo vids of this over the xboxen and WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS WORSE THAN I IMAGINED. does that look in any way fun to anyone?

haven't seen any vids of move yet, but that will have to wait for another day. have to consider my blood pressure or something. 

[TripleA]

It definitely looks like fun for individuals under the age of 5.

[Phoenix Dark]

It definitely looks like fun for individuals under the age of 5.

This is like a Green Shinobi-esque self annihilation that can be applied to nearly all of your gaming forum posts

[Eel O'Brian]

he committed suicide in the virtual realm

[cool breeze]

Dude I am literally standing next to miyamoto now at the kinect booth and he is watching people play Joyride with this amazing WTF look. I want to say YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS

was it something like this?

[Sho Nuff]

Dude I am literally standing next to miyamoto now at the kinect booth and he is watching people play Joyride with this amazing WTF look. I want to say YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS

was it something like this?

Holy fucking shit yes, that was the face. That must have been when he moved one booth to the right to check out the Adventures game.

[TripleA]

One developer with whom I spoke and who is familiar with how Microsoft is briefing studios making games for Kinect said the company has specifically advised developers to not make games that would involve the player's sitting down.

http://kotaku.com/5565777/xbox-kinect-does-not-play-well-with-couch-potatoes

[Eel O'Brian]

so have you broken open your yoshi bank to see if you have enough saved for the complete move package?

[TripleA]

I could have sworn this topic was about Kinect.

[Eel O'Brian]

it's pretty much all the same bullshit, and also i don't care

[TripleA]

I wonder if Kinect can detect an erect Penis.

I mean technically, it is standing.

[Eel O'Brian]

they really gimped the fuck out of this thing when they removed the processor, didn't they?

[TripleA]

Looks like it.

But I fully expect some more damage control faked videos to pop up showing Kinect being used while sitting down.

Because if Kinect can not be used while sitting, then Microsoft have officially killed the product.

[MCD]

sit down son.

[Eel O'Brian]

i read the whole article, sounds like they're still actively working on calibrating for sitting, i'd imagine it's a pretty big deal for them to iron out before launch

[TripleA]

I sure hope so

[maxy]

i read the whole article, sounds like they're still actively working on calibrating for sitting, i'd imagine it's a pretty big deal for them to iron out before launch

I don't think that sitting and playing games fits into their marketing strategy,at least for now.

Imagine some fat dude sitting and playing Kinect,sfag gif factory would overload.

User interface,yes.

[maxy]

So its getting pretty positive feedback, but even if this thing worked incredibly well, I don't think it would find the success they hope for.

They should have learned from Zune.

Check this out,it's Amazon lol i know but still

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames?ie=UTF8&ref_=pd_ts_zgc_vg_video_games_display_on_website_more

[MCD]

you can't stop me from dancing

[maxy]

Gamestop bestseller list is even more hilarious

http://www.gamestop.com/browse/search.aspx?Ns=UnitsSold|1&N=0

[TripleA]

I love it 

[Raban]

omg Castle Vidcons

EDIT: I love the ones around E3 so much.

[TripleA]

 

[TripleA]

The Future of Fun

[TripleA]

Update: You WILL be able to sit with Kinect

spoiler (click to show/hide)

not for games though

[close]

In response to that article, Microsoft representatives reached out to IGN to clarify, saying we definitely will be able to sit while using Kinect. Representatives said they want to provide a comfortable, enjoyable experience for users and understand that people don't want to watch a movie standing up.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/109/1099746p1.html

 

[Third]

So its getting pretty positive feedback, but even if this thing worked incredibly well, I don't think it would find the success they hope for.

They should have learned from Zune.

Check this out,it's Amazon lol i know but still

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames?ie=UTF8&ref_=pd_ts_zgc_vg_video_games_display_on_website_more

How many creditcards have you maxed out for getting those results?

[TripleA]

So Microsoft confirmed Kinect doesn't work for anything while seated.

It's a good thing they gave every 'journalist' $300, otherwise the press would be BRUTAL right about now.

[Third]

I'm sure they'll fix it months after the release. But I'm afraid only maxy and other six people are still using it by then.

I don't get how MS could overlook this issue. Do they think all people on earth have infinite square foot livingrooms?

[recursivelyenumerable]

I don't get how MS could overlook this issue. Do they think all people on earth have infinite square foot livingrooms?

yes, I'm sure it never occurred to them until just now

[Great Rumbler]

-Only two players at a time
-Have to stand up

[MCD]

[youtube=560,345]pZG7IK99OvI[/youtube]

[cool breeze]

Is the standing up thing confirmed?

if so, that kinda ruins the appeal of the gui navigation

[TripleA]

So let's summarize Kinect thus far:

- Pre-recorded stage demos.

- Lag is still noticeable.

- No price officially announced.

- No hardcore games announced.

- All driving games have no controls for accelerating or braking.

- Can not be used while sitting down.

- Voice recognition is inferior to ENDWAR.

- Peter Molyneux has zero plans for Kinect in Fable III.

- Milo and Kate were shown "behind closed doors" to celebs such as Steven Seagal a.k.a the bone ranger, Kelly Rowland a.k.a Beyonce's shadow, and other Z-list celebrities who attended the event for free swag and nothing else.

- Only 2 players supported.

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It looks like Microsoft are investing in a long term success, don't you agree Maxy and Bory's?

[maxy]

Is the standing up thing confirmed?

if so, that kinda ruins the appeal of the gui navigation

Nothing is confirmed here,it's just sfags in panic mode.

I can't believe that some people think that MS would release Kinect UI that would require you to stand...nobody would be stupid enough to release that

And now some more Kinect pimping

There's something very special about using Microsoft's Kinect system, something that separates it from every other combination of software and hardware I've ever used. Kinect adapts and accommodates the user. I'm not learning it; it's learning me.

But another bundled game in Kinect Sports impresses me in a completely different way: bowling. This game really showcases the platform's flexibility to natural human movement. I reach to my right to pick up my ball, asking, "Can I take a normal 3-step bowling approach?" The designers look at one another nervously. They say that I might want be careful not to extend myself beyond Kinect's radius of sight.

I get the impression that bowling hasn't been tested with this approach in mind. I try it anyway, shortening my steps a bit, but fully pantomiming bowling all the same. The ball rolls down the lane without a hitch.

After I take more than my fair share of time bowling, I look to Jason and ask if he wants to hop in. The PlayStation Move had forced me to stand in one place with two...err...spheres on my chin to calibrate a single game, but Kinnect lets Jason and I just swap spots instantly. Without any jitters, hang-ups or confusion, Kinect lets Jason pick up where I leave off, mid-frame.

"What do you think?" asks Wil Mozell, a Microsoft GM who oversees many of the companies designing Kinect's important launch titles.

"It's great," I say. "But what about the lag? Will you ever fully eliminate it?"

"We can get rid of a lot of it. Keep in mind, these games are 80-to-85% there. There's still lots of optimization left to do."

"But what about the hardcore games? The FPSs, the gameplay that requires 100% accuracy?" I push.

"Kinect isn't going to replace the controllers that have worked for those types of games for the last decade—that's not what we're trying to do. Kinect will work alongside those controllers for hardcore games. For throwing a grenade, for vocal commands, for..."

"For head tracking??"

"Yes, head tracking! Exactly." He gets a big smile. He wants to say more. Bound by Microsoft confidentiality agreements, he can't.

The bold thing is why i loove Kinect...keep the waggle bullshit out of my hardcore games

Kinect is wonderful for what it will do for full motion gaming. Kinect is wonderful for what it will do for the home theater and for hardcore gaming and for cultivating more "play" in gameplay.

But Kinect's most clever trick is beyond any of this. Kinect is more than an abstract "human interface device" but something far more subtle: an input device that can look at bunch of waving limbs and understand, "Hey! That's a human!"

http://gizmodo.com/5565657/xbox-360-kinect-teases-the-next-era-of-computing

Engadget is also pretty impressed
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/19/entelligence-the-aftermath-of-e3/


And now something interesting about Move,

After I take more than my fair share of time bowling, I look to Jason and ask if he wants to hop in. The PlayStation Move had forced me to stand in one place with two...err...spheres on my chin to calibrate a single game, but Kinnect lets Jason and I just swap spots instantly. Without any jitters, hang-ups or confusion, Kinect lets Jason pick up where I leave off, mid-frame.

I was listening to the Weekend Confirmed podcast and they were talking abut Move boxing game...

After you finish calibrating your balls,you are told "Do not move your feet,You can't move your feet"

A boxing game and you can't move your feet
 

[archie4208]

Is the standing up thing confirmed?

if so, that kinda ruins the appeal of the gui navigation

You can still issue voice commands while sitting, but to do the Minority Report system navigation, you have to be standing.

[TripleA]

Welp this looks like trainwreck now. It doesn't matter if they fix the standing vs sitting issue at launch as starting from this E3 everybody is talking/ writing about what Kinect DOESN'T do.

Majority of the previews/ articles concentrate on explaining what DOESN'T work with Kinect instead of hyping what DOES.

Very, very bad PR.

This was Microsoft's chance to sell the idea & hardware to the world and they blew it. They $599's it like Sony PS3.

I just hope Move also crashes & burns. Waggle gaming needs to be stillborn.

[naff]

Is the standing up thing confirmed?

if so, that kinda ruins the appeal of the gui navigation

Nothing is confirmed here,it's just sfags in panic mode.

Sounds confirmed to me. Maybe you can do the gui stuff sitting, I'm betting just voice stuff, but everything else requires you to stand by the looks of it.

http://kotaku.com/5565777/xbox-kinect-does-not-play-well-with-couch-potatoes

[Cormacaroni]

mustering last reserves of XBot Power here...

I guess forcing you to stand up during games would solve that whole thing of people bowling perfect games by making tiny flicks of their wrist while practically asleep on the couch. I'm not convinced that's a problem people want solved though, and that this is how anyone choose to solve it. Looks like a total hardware/software fuck-up that should have been caught long before the public saw this.

[maxy]

Is the standing up thing confirmed?

if so, that kinda ruins the appeal of the gui navigation

Nothing is confirmed here,it's just sfags in panic mode.

Sounds confirmed to me. Maybe you can do the gui stuff sitting, I'm betting just voice stuff, but everything else requires you to stand by the looks of it.

http://kotaku.com/5565777/xbox-kinect-does-not-play-well-with-couch-potatoes

This also sounds confirmed
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/109/1099746p1.html

We can go in circles like that forever

Besides this thing is not launching tomorrow,in November you will be able to see what it can do,just like when 360,PS3,Wii launched
Why?Kinect is all about software

Yes,you are basically paying for potential but that is just the way this gen operates...future gens will be even worse in that regard

When you buy a game today,you also pay for potential since almost everything needs to be patched

Funny thing is that some(many) people are not even angry about that...oh,it will be patched...oh,i will just wait for a patch

[Cormacaroni]

Problem is, we've already had years of the Wii failing to live up to its potential and this just looks like a refinement. It's really hard to see any significant upside to Kinect because of that. After the Wii was announced, I remember a lot of wild speculation about all the cool games we might see - for Kinect and Move, all I see is gamers expecting lame shovelware and software companies lining up to deliver it. I'm not even 1% excited for this.

[maxy]

Problem is, we've already had years of the Wii failing to live up to its potential and this just looks like a refinement. It's really hard to see any significant upside to Kinect because of that. After the Wii was announced, I remember a lot of wild speculation about all the cool games we might see - for Kinect and Move, all I see is gamers expecting lame shovelware and software companies lining up to deliver it. I'm not even 1% excited for this.

Nintendo was never good with third parties(until 3DS apparently) and they were not willing to experiment too much with their "hardcore" franchises.As for new "hardcore" IP fully designed around waggle...it wouldn't sell probably and this is Nintendo...not that i blame them,they are not a charity

Kinect primary audience is families,casuals not some basement hardcore nerd that masturbates at Killzone gifs...that was clear from the day one...
MS conference was exactly like that,hardcore stuff...the end...casual,family oriented stuff...the end
People that were expecting to see Kinect enabled knife stabbing,neck breaking are beyond delusional

If some Kinect interested mother sees something like that...it would be instant no buy.

So don't expect many hardcore games,certainly not many good ones...as usual devs will make things that sell
Sony is not going to make Killzone 2 budget game build from the ground up for Move(not controllable by dualshock)...that would be insane,make a $100 million game for like 10 Move owners


But it doesn't matter,MW2 has passed 20 million mark and shooters will be made like there is no tomorrow.

[magus]

http://www.gamexplain.com/article-179-1277081359-kinect-cant-detect-wrist-movement.html

microsoft is run by a bunch of incompetent guys!