KINECT: THE DAWN OF THE NEW AGE OF GAMING

[MCD]

moving your wrist is dangerous anyway.

[maxy]

Moving your wrist is prohibited by law anyway.

[Third]

Another day, another negative Kinect article. What a disaster. 
By the time it gets released, only maxy will care about it.

[Purple Filth]

Another day, another negative Kinect article. What a disaster. 
By the time it gets released, only maxy will care about it.

this is going on right now.

Still haven't been impressed by this thing

[TripleA]

http://www.gamexplain.com/article-179-1277081359-kinect-cant-detect-wrist-movement.html

microsoft is run by a bunch of incompetent guys!

 

[maxy]

Another day, another negative Kinect article. What a disaster. 
By the time it gets released, only maxy will care about it.

Sfags seem to care a lot,I've never them so exited and panicky.

Another day, another negative Kinect article. What a disaster. 
By the time it gets released, only maxy will care about it.

this is going on right now.

Still haven't been impressed by this thing

This is now Motion Control Gaming Fan Club and you are posting here,that means that you care.
 

[Purple Filth]

^ Not really

More news for this thread. Seems the device costs $150 to manufacture.

http://www.develop-online.net/news/35198/Source-pins-Kinect-manufacturing-costs-to-150

Publisher claims Microsoft ended up spending far more than expected on the device

Microsoft is paying around $150 in total manufacturing costs for each Kinect unit, Develop understands.

A highly-positioned, trusted source had given Develop the “$150 manufacturing cost” figure on the condition of anonymity, adding that the expenses of Kinect is a topic of concern for his company.

The news comes in the wake of rumours suggesting an internal struggle at Microsoft on the retail price of Kinect, a kit once touted to sell at £50, but now thought will cost over twice the price.

Microsoft says the company “does not comment on rumour or speculation”.

Last year a publishing source told MCV that Microsoft is “trying to get as close as possible to impulse buy” with Kinect – a plan which is looking less likely as evidence points towards a $150 retail price for the device.


Screen Digest games analyst Ed Barton said he was “not surprised” by the $150 manufacturing figure that Develop put to him.

“In pure console peripheral terms, $150 costs are expensive but the question is how much Microsoft is wiling to cut to raise market share,” he said.

“The further above manufacturing costs it is, the tougher it becomes. Especially since Microsoft is targeting Kinect to a more casual market.

“Presumably, a big portion of Microsoft’s target market for Kinect won’t have a console already, so adding in the console costs along with the camera costs, the result is starting to look a bit pricey.”

Microsoft had previously acquired Primesense, a 3D imaging company based out of Israel. The firm brought with it a number of patents and technologies for Kinect.

Barton believes that the Primesense acquisition may come into the cost equation.

“There’s basic hardware tear-down costs,” he says, “but Kinect isn’t just a number of components, it’s also a software layer – one that is absolutely key for the whole experience.

“Kinect’s R&D costs might be sunk into the manufacturing costs, because Microsoft needed to ensure that Kinect’s basic imaging actually has a software layer that can be fed into the developer toolchain.

“These are things that require investment, and serious expertise, and would argue would have pushed the manufacturing costs of Kinect up even more”.

But Barton is confident that, with Kinect, Microsoft has a technology that can be implemented in different sectors outside of traditional gaming.

“I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see Microsoft apply the technologies elsewhere, for things like video conferencing,” he said.

“It may have been possible, in its planning, that Microsoft has decided the investment it has made into Kinect can spread across all sorts of areas beyond gaming.

“The commercial guys at Microsoft will obviously want to sell the unit at its lowest price, but the accountants will be arguing that Microsoft has to start paying for all the R&D and goods that got it to this position.

“The one thing that Microsoft has proven over the last few years, especially with its aggressive price cuts, is that the company is prepared to add pressure on itself to win market share.”

If true then they have 3 choices

1) sell it at 150 at make nothing
2) sell it for more and make something
3) sell it for less than 150 and take some losses.

I really think they are gonna go for C so they can try to get marketshare, but i really wonder if they want to eat more losses.

[TripleA]

So essentially:

a) They're fucked.

b) They're fucked.

and finally,

c) They're fucked.

[The Sceneman]

So let's summarize Kinect thus far:

- Pre-recorded stage demos.

- Lag is still noticeable.

- No price officially announced.

- No hardcore games announced.

- All driving games have no controls for accelerating or braking.

- Can not be used while sitting down.

- Voice recognition is inferior to ENDWAR.

- Peter Molyneux has zero plans for Kinect in Fable III.

- Milo and Kate were shown "behind closed doors" to celebs such as Steven Seagal a.k.a the bone ranger, Kelly Rowland a.k.a Beyonce's shadow, and other Z-list celebrities who attended the event for free swag and nothing else.

- Only 2 players supported.

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It looks like Microsoft are investing in a long term success, don't you agree Maxy and Bory's?

Nice FUD

Dance Masters will be amazing and HARDCORE. Child of Eden looks amazing too. Please rebute my post by posting an awesome lineup of all the 'hardcore' Wii games to come out in the past 8 years. shithead

[Smooth Groove]

Sceneman: The Last Xbot Warrior and Destroyer of sfud

[The Sceneman]

Its just that all the negative press is bagging on Microsoft's 1st party crud and not taking into account awesome 3rd party Japanese stuff shown at E3, which is making really cool use of the tech

[Cormacaroni]

like?

Child of Eden is a must-buy for me but it apparently doesn't need Kinect and it's unclear how much it will actually add to the experience. Sell it to me Sceneman.

[The Sceneman]

Child of Eden looks totally bitching and its future Miz techno shit that you play with your hands. That alone sold me but DANCE MASTERS looks totally AWESOME. Maybe I just got brainwashed by Naoki? He was very EXCITE

[lordoftherink]

http://store.microsoft.com/microsoft/Kinect-Sensor-for-Xbox-360/product/C737B081
$149 on the official Microsoft store

[cool breeze]

Dance Masters does look really fun.  Of all the dancing games shown, it is the only one that seems like it gets intense.

like?

Child of Eden is a must-buy for me but it apparently doesn't need Kinect and it's unclear how much it will actually add to the experience. Sell it to me Sceneman.

this was talked about actually.  It was mostly the usual marketing speak of making you feel like a conductor.  Also mentioned was how in some ways it takes away from using the controller because you don't have that rumble going on to the beat.  Then again, you could put a controller in your pocket and play with Natal.  It has the same feature as Rez HD where you can use multiple controllers for different vibration.

[Third]

So let's summarize Kinect thus far:

- Pre-recorded stage demos.

- Lag is still noticeable.

- No price officially announced.

- No hardcore games announced.

- All driving games have no controls for accelerating or braking.

- Can not be used while sitting down.

- Voice recognition is inferior to ENDWAR.

- Peter Molyneux has zero plans for Kinect in Fable III.

- Milo and Kate were shown "behind closed doors" to celebs such as Steven Seagal a.k.a the bone ranger, Kelly Rowland a.k.a Beyonce's shadow, and other Z-list celebrities who attended the event for free swag and nothing else.

- Only 2 players supported.

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It looks like Microsoft are investing in a long term success, don't you agree Maxy and Bory's?

Basically.

[Purple Filth]

so 150 finally confirmed?


good luck to them i guess.

[brawndolicious]

1. The only time any of these motion-controllers make sense to me, the distinguished hardcore gamer, is when they use the IR sensor to pinpoint something on screen like in Resident Evil 4 and......

2. The games that sell have exaggerated motion controls with as much believability and dignity as a soccer player faking a foul.

3. Sfags only care about motion controls because 360 has kinect and vice-versa for xfags and Move.

[Smooth Groove]

Third's mom:

-can sit down or bend over

-supports more than 4 people

-no input lag, responds immediately

-voice recognition

-free

-doesn't just sit there

-all kinds of hardcore games


Looks like we got a winner!

[Third]

Third's mom:

-can sit down or bend over

-supports more than 4 people

-no input lag, responds immediately

-voice recognition

-free

-doesn't just sit there

-all kinds of hardcore games


Looks like we got a winner!

Dad, is that you?

[maxy]

Hmm i wonder how sfags missed this

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-12218-Video-Game-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kiect-not-limited-to-2players-Has-unlimited-possibilites

Earlier today, we got in touch with PrimeSense and got clarification on the situation about their demo and Kinect.

At E3, PrimeSense showed a demonstration to JoyStiq which showed two-players going through a demo, though the camera technology did recognize more. This demonstration was built solely by PrimeSense and in no way has any relation or link to the software and game coding Microsoft has developed for Kinect. PrimeSense is the provider of the hardware chip for Microsoft, but Microsoft handles the rest, so the demo put on by PrimeSense does not reflect what Kintect can do in terms of total players.

PrimeSense did state that they do not know how many players Microsoft currently has Kinect setup to handle.
With Kinect and the PrimeSense demonstration two completely separate entities, but the camera itself can detect a limitless number of people and if the software is designed to do so, process them all.

Of course even chicken level IQ people could see that they where talking about their own implementation,the one that has processing chip on the board...not to mention that they are under heavy NDA concerning MS implementation

So MS could make chase blue dots game for 10 players...

So change that Third mom player comparison to unlimited

 

[Third]

A camera can detect unlimited people?   

Rocket science right there. 

Let's see how they'll implement that. But going by the whole Kinetic technology, it should be a total mess.

[magus]

i know this is kotaku so please don't kill me
http://kotaku.com/5569409/watch-kinect-lag-it-up-on-jimmy-fallon

[Third]

LOL, owned. 

And...

[youtube=560,345]#![/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]#![/youtube]

Eye-Toy doing the same shit as Kinect. I'm sure Sony can program the new Eye-Toy to do the same as MS' motion controller.

[maxy]

i know this is kotaku so please don't kill me
http://kotaku.com/5569409/watch-kinect-lag-it-up-on-jimmy-fallon

She looks like a scared log...notice how he always jumps before(real person image) and then she is trying to follow

[AdmiralViscen]

This is a disaster.

[demi]

Third's mom:

-can sit down or bend over

-supports more than 4 people

-no input lag, responds immediately

-voice recognition

-free

-doesn't just sit there

-all kinds of hardcore games


Looks like we got a winner!

Wow your Third's Mom must be fresh, mine has to be hit a few times before it starts working correctly.

[AdmiralViscen]

 


Also I didn't think that Fallon video was so bad. That guy wasn't TOO lame and the game seemed playable enough even though it sucks. I thoguht it was funny when he offered free XBoxes.... for the Roots.

[Third]

Wow your Third's Mom must be fresh, mine has to be hit a few times before it starts working correctly.

My mom is your penis? 

[TripleA]

Even the most diehard Xbox fans are turning against it 

[Third]

I'll start to love Kinect when maxy starts hating it.

[AdmiralViscen]

Wouldn't Xbots have to give a shit about Natal at some point to "turn" against it?

[Phoenix Dark]

Third's mom:

-can sit down or bend over

-supports more than 4 people

-no input lag, responds immediately

-voice recognition

-free

-doesn't just sit there

-all kinds of hardcore games


Looks like we got a winner!

[Beezy]

Wouldn't Xbots have to give a shit about Natal at some point to "turn" against it?

seriously

[maxy]

Something for Demi

Giant Bomb Dance Central interview

http://www.giantbomb.com/e3-2010-dance-central-interview/17-2779/

Ending is   

Giant Bomb
Dance Central 

[AdmiralViscen]

lol, love that site

Also Kinect picks up at least 4 people at the end of the video.

[maxy]

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]


[youtube=560,345][/youtube]


ESPN,demoed with controller,it will support Kinect too
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14357198/project-natal-e3-demo-series/videos/espndemo_spc_062310.html?show=hi

And yes,you will be able to use this while sitting.

[TripleA]

It looks like using a controller will be the best way to experience ESPN3 on 360.

[demi]

Something for Demi

Giant Bomb Dance Central interview

http://www.giantbomb.com/e3-2010-dance-central-interview/17-2779/

Ending is   

Giant Bomb
Dance Central 

I saw stomach peekage. Ryan

[chronovore]

I'll be getting Kinect for HMX's new Dance Central, and possibly Joy Ride if the "Kinect Required" sticker that showed up on its (virtual) DVD case on MS' site is actually fer real.

Wii's motion control has shown that people will flock in droves to a controller that doesn't have more buttons than a US-101 keyboard. But the Wii's control is janky as hell; hopefully these new technologies like Kinect and Move will fulfill the promise of the Wiimote.

But the biggest issue is MINIMUM INSTALLED BASE. The genius of the Wii was to re-launch the perfectly serviceable Gamecube hardware with a new controller and marketing plan. Both MS and Sony have missed this critical point, that the Kinect support is only going to appeal to a subset of their existing market, rather than the entirety of a new customerbase.

Third's mom:

-can sit down or bend over

-supports more than 4 people

-no input lag, responds immediately

-voice recognition

-free

-doesn't just sit there

-all kinds of hardcore games


Looks like we got a winner!

Wow your Third's Mom must be fresh, mine has to be hit a few times before it starts working correctly.

It's possible that the rules are the same for the Xbox 360 itself: it can't be left standing, it has to be laid out horizontally for best effect.

[Diunx]

So Maxy are you really interested in this clusterfuck or are you just defending ms honor from the evil sfags?

[Dickie Dee]

i kinda like it for the dashboard *ducks*

games seem way to glicthy and impercise as fuck. looks like it's all shit that can be continually improved through software so who knows where it'll be in a couple years (other than maybe the same landfill as ET atari)

[Third]

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Another reason to avoid this disaster.

[Third]

Report: Kinect requires that you dress appropriately

http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/kinect-long-skirt-incompatible.html

LOL

[MCD]

I play naked anyway.

[maxy]

Report: Kinect requires that you dress appropriately

http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/kinect-long-skirt-incompatible.html

LOL

More girls in short skirts 




That won't bother you though.

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

[Brehvolution]

Those poor floorboards. 

[TripleA]

Report: Kinect requires that you dress appropriately

http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/kinect-long-skirt-incompatible.html

LOL

 

[Sho Nuff]

My question: How fat must one be for the Kinect NOT to work

[The Sceneman]

Im pumped for Dance Masters and Child of Eden, otherwise Netal is

[demi]

Eden doesnt even need Natal.

[The Sceneman]

Im confident Dance Masters will be jusitification enough to purchase a Netel unit

[demi]

mwov yo fat bwody

[cool breeze]

why would you ever play Dance Masters using natal? even the creator prefers to play without it

[Bildi]

Report: Kinect requires that you dress appropriately

http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/kinect-long-skirt-incompatible.html

LOL

Girls have to remove skirts to play Kinect...

+1 sale

[chronovore]

Report: Kinect requires that you dress appropriately

http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/kinect-long-skirt-incompatible.html

LOL

Girls have to remove skirts to play Kinect...

+1 sale

[Third]

http://kotaku.com/5591138/microsoft-prices-kinect-xbox-360-motion-games

$150 confirmed by MS.
And Kinect games will cost $50 each.

   

[cool breeze]

to be fair, that is $150 plus a game (Kinect Adventures, that raft game).  The bundle of system (4 gb internal), game, and kinect is $300.

The game prices are kind of ridiculous based on what was shown at E3.  Sony at least dropped the price to $40, which is at least below what the average Wii game price is.  Getting everything from scratch is still most expensive on the PS3 since that Move PS3 bundle is $400.  Meanwhile the Wii is $200.

[Eel O'Brian]

wii drops to $150 permanently this fall, still includes wii sports and resort

[Purple Filth]

MS has unleashed the "Value" chart