Author Topic: Kingdom of Heaven Directors Cut > Braveheart (Read 2113 times)

MrAngryFace · « **on:** December 21, 2006, 01:59:45 PM »

I dont know why people love Braveheart so much, it sucks.

Cheebs · « **Reply #1 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:00:11 PM »

KoH DC is one of the greatest epics of all time.

Himu · « **Reply #2 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:00:14 PM »

BUT IT HAS WILLIAM WALLACE

drozmight · « **Reply #3 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:01:30 PM »

Agreed.

I like how Saladin personally beheads that mother fucker in this one, instead of him just standing there while you hear it in the background. That dude is rad.

Solo · « **Reply #4 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:01:48 PM »

Braveheart sucks anyways.

Bacon · « **Reply #5 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:04:08 PM »

Braveheart is pretty awesome. I like Kingdom of Heaven too.

I didn't know that Ed Norton was King Baldwin until after I saw it. He is awesome.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #6 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:04:31 PM »

KoH Extended was like an entirely different movie, I loved it. Intermission n all

Bacon · « **Reply #7 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:08:59 PM »

Braveheart had better speaches.

whiteACID · « **Reply #8 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:09:36 PM »

I've never seen it before, guess I'll have to get it tonight.

Bacon · « **Reply #9 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:10:24 PM »

Make sure you get the director's cut, or else you will be like WTF why does Orlando know so much shit about fighting.

whiteACID · « **Reply #10 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:10:57 PM »

Ya, I should have it by 8 I'm guessing.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #11 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:11:07 PM »

I liked Braveheart, but it has to be one of most historically inaccurate movies ever produced.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #12 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:12:36 PM »

I cant stand speeches in movies ever since Independence Day

Solo · « **Reply #13 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:14:32 PM »

If you like epics and for whatever reason have never seen Lawrence of Arabia MAF, you should get on that.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #14 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:15:13 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on December 21, 2006, 02:12:36 PM

I cant stand speeches in movies ever since Independence Day

Good morning. In less than an hour, aircraft from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest aerial battle in this history of mankind.

Mankind -- that word should have new meaning for all of us today.

We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore.

We will be united in our common interests.

Perhaps its fate that today is the 4th of July; and you will once again be fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution -- but from annihilation.

We're fighting for our right to live, to exist.

And should we win the day, the 4th of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day when the world declared in one voice:

"We will not go quietly into the night.

We will not vanish without a fight.

We're going to live on.

We're going to survive."

Today, we celebrate our Independence Day!

Bacon · « **Reply #15 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:15:40 PM »

I don't know man Lone Starr gave a pretty sweet speach in ID4.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #16 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:16:10 PM »

I had the fortunate well being of catching the DC at my uncle's house, after I pretty much swore Ridley off as washed up when I paid money to see the theatrical cut. It changed my opinion and it's a great film.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #17 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:16:57 PM »

I hate ID4.

Himu · « **Reply #18 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:17:03 PM »

My dad loves that movie and that speech

Solo · « **Reply #19 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:19:32 PM »

I dont think I could EVER swear off Ridley. Hes made too many great films. Sure, hes extremely hit or miss, but when he hits, I feel the pain.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #20 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:20:00 PM »

The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut is fuckin' amazing -- it's shocking how a director can totally change the visceral and emotional impact of a film by recutting and editing it. It went from a jumbled collection of arresting but arbitrary scenes to a hardcore motherfuckin' EPIC. Fuck, I actually respected Orlando Bloom's character this time around, instead of scratching my head and wondering what the hell the pretty boy was doing in the desert.

drozmight · « **Reply #21 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:21:15 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on December 21, 2006, 02:16:57 PM

I hate ID4.

dude, whatever. id4's a great movie

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #22 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:21:35 PM »

Quote from: Solo on December 21, 2006, 02:19:32 PM

I dont think I could EVER swear off Ridley. Hes made too many great films. Sure, hes extremely hit or miss, but when he hits, I feel the pain.

Prior to Kingdom of Heaven, he hasn't hit in a long, long time. I don't think Gladiator is that great.

He was awesome, but just like my other favorite director from yesteryear, John Carpenter, I was willing to call it a day on him.

Solo · « **Reply #23 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:22:36 PM »

Did you see Matchstick Men? Not a typical Ridley epic, but a great little film nonetheless.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #24 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:23:49 PM »

I saw Nic Cage and a girl and rolled my eyes so hard that the film dissapeared from my existence.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #25 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:23:59 PM »

Goddamn it, I have to see this DC, because the theatrical cut was one of the worst movies I saw last year.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #26 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:24:14 PM »

I enjoyed gladiator a lot, but I dont think the themes in it were handled nearly as well.

Plus there was that dumb speech the lady gave at the end that felt like stage play shit.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #27 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:24:58 PM »

I loved Gladiator, if only for the audacity of its presentation -- the whole movie itself captures the brutal bombast of the gladiatorial spectacle. The plot ain't so great, and the dialogue veers towards camp (which I think is all too appropriate, given the theme), but it's just such a great over-the-top production -- with Hans Zimmer cowboying the score, of course -- that I can't help but get a serious kick out of it.

Solo · « **Reply #28 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:25:19 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 21, 2006, 02:23:59 PM

Goddamn it, I have to see this DC, because the theatrical cut was one of the worst movies I saw last year.

Blame the studio, not Ridley.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #29 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:27:01 PM »

Yeah, I was really skeptical that a recutting of KoH could seriously improve what I felt was a largely flawed movie -- the original was like a haphazard mash-up of scenes and motives -- but I was proven quite wrong. The DC of KoH is probably one of Scott's best recent efforts, the still-dubious casting of Bloom aside.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #30 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:27:27 PM »

Oh I like gladiator, I love the story, but I hate the takeaway im given when that lady starts yapping to inspire people to carry a corpse somewhere. Cut that out and you've got an A+ movie imo

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #31 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:27:38 PM »

Quote from: Solo on December 21, 2006, 02:25:19 PM

Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 21, 2006, 02:23:59 PM
Goddamn it, I have to see this DC, because the theatrical cut was one of the worst movies I saw last year.

Blame the studio, not Ridley.

This is what I've heard. The man brought me Gladiator only a few years earlier, I couldn't believe that he had fallen off so quickly. I know it gets some hate, but like Drinky, I love it.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #32 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:27:55 PM »

The only thing that I really liked from Gladiator was Oliver Reed, and the movie was so meh that it killed him, Doug. Also, I thought that the whole bit of Commodore-64-us trying to nail his sister, albeit a hot Connie Nielson, was handled awkwardly.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #33 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:28:42 PM »

AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #34 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:29:23 PM »

The score is so fucking awesome. I don't care what anyone says.

Solo · « **Reply #35 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:31:12 PM »

I actually like Gladiator quite a bit. Its got a SHITLOAD of problems, but it overcomes them for me. First and foremost, I love Russell Crowe in this. I also think Ridley was the perfect visual director for the material. And despite normally hating his work, I like Zimmer's score here. Really, the film falls apart because of its writing and editing.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #36 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:31:53 PM »

Willco, no the fuck way, dode. All the fight scenes, despite the frame skip hijinks, are just fuckin' INTENSE. And fuck the haters, Joaquim Phoenix was stealin' scenes like Wynona thieves handbags, bitch -- I loved Commodus as a villain, because he brought back the Machivellian bombast from those old gladitorial epics in a modern emoboy style. ARE WE NOT AMUSED, moddafuck?

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #37 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:32:34 PM »

Its a good movie, just cut out the speech at the end. I hate speeches

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #38 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:37:40 PM »

I don't have any problems with Phoenix's portrayal of Commodus (he was entertaining in spurts), but his whole relationship with his sister was just handled awkwardly. Incest is taboo, but if you're going to make it a motivation for the charater - quit pussyfooting and run straight into the subject matter.

I really didn't like Russell Crowe in this, or much in anything really.

The skip frame hinjinks got out of control by the end, and the fight scenes were too few and far between. I don't want to have watch all those symbolic imagery set to dream-like Zimmer stuff that he phones in.

That said, the score is pretty good.

Solo · « **Reply #39 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:38:31 PM »

Im not a Russell fan by any means, but I thought he was absolutely stellar in both this and LA Confidential.

Himu · « **Reply #40 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:39:26 PM »

What'd you think of his work in A Beautiful Mind? I thought he did pretty good in that film.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #41 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:40:06 PM »

I don't like him in either film. That said, I love L.A. Confidential, which should say something about that movie considering my disdain for him as an actor.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #42 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:40:57 PM »

Russell Crowe is gonna bash your face in with a phone, Willco. He was awesome in L.A. Confidential.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #43 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:41:53 PM »

Fuck Russell Crowe.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #44 on:** December 21, 2006, 02:42:24 PM »

Don't watch Matchstick Men ... read the book instead. Good book.

Boogie · « **Reply #45 on:** December 21, 2006, 03:30:57 PM »

Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 21, 2006, 02:42:24 PM

Don't watch Matchstick Men ... read the book instead. Good book.

Agreed. Never saw the film (Cage annoys me) but the book was a fun read.

whiteACID · « **Reply #46 on:** December 21, 2006, 03:56:19 PM »

The film sucked.

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Author Topic: Kingdom of Heaven Directors Cut > Braveheart (Read 2113 times)