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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #60 on: July 07, 2010, 12:49:19 AM »
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« Reply #61 on: July 07, 2010, 12:53:13 AM »
exactly. king's field looks like a modern western rpg -- janky gameplay mechanics and all -- but without the awesome sense of adventure and exploration. and who the fuck wants to play that? does king's field have adventure and loot and mini-arcs with stressed out townspeople? because demon's souls sure as hell isn't like that.
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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #62 on: July 07, 2010, 12:58:29 AM »
It has all of that, yes
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« Reply #63 on: July 07, 2010, 01:03:58 AM »
what is a good King's Field game to play? I wanted to play one after Demon's Souls

I do remember Eternal Ring sitting next to Orphen and Ring of Red at a Funcoland a long time ago.  Maybe they still have it.


Dude when I got Morrowind for xbuck, I fought a crab on the beach at the opening area.

I kept attacking it. Miss miss miss miss miss miss miss.

I read in this thread that I hack the game so my attacks always hit. So I'm pretty positive I will enjoy it especially if it's similar to Fallout 3 like linkzg said.

If it sounded like I was making a comparison, it was is that the exploration and quests in Fallout 3 are great like they were in Morrowind while I found all that lacking in Oblivion. 

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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #64 on: July 07, 2010, 01:08:19 AM »
I'd pick The Ancient City on PS2. But any is a good choice.
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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #65 on: July 07, 2010, 01:09:51 AM »
Why are you pimping King's Field so hard?  You said before that From Software isn't an AAA dev.

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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #66 on: July 07, 2010, 01:12:57 AM »
Weird, I don't recall thinking Bethesda was one either
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« Reply #67 on: July 07, 2010, 01:36:35 AM »
more like a C-- developer  :drake

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« Reply #68 on: July 08, 2010, 05:00:57 PM »
Morrowind plus mods is fantastic. The world is rich and detailed and has great visual design. Exploration is rewarding (except for all those damned cliff racers).  It has a great sense of place and atmosphere, no matter what part of the island you're on. 

Oblivion feels like you're walking around in a high-fantasy theme park resort, but it is a more streamlined and focused experience for when you just want to sit and watch those numbers go up.

King's Field is good stuff, but it's closer to Ultima Underworld than to the open-world RPGs. And that ain't a bad thing. The Ancient City is definitely the easiest one to get into these days (as well as the best one). You might try Shadow Tower Abyss if you don't mind using a FAQ to play along. The original Shadow Tower is honestly pretty cool, too.
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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #69 on: July 08, 2010, 05:10:02 PM »
what is a good King's Field game to play? I wanted to play one after Demon's Souls

I do remember Eternal Ring sitting next to Orphen and Ring of Red at a Funcoland a long time ago.  Maybe they still have it.

King's Field 1 and 2 (US) are good. They are dated though and fairly slow (even compared to Morrowind/Oblivion). Lots of atmosphere in those games though. King's Field: Ancient City has both the atmosphere and a non-dated look. I'd personally start from the beginning.

Eternal Ring is also fantastic and after playing the King's Field games one can appreciate the different take on the genre in that game.
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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #70 on: July 10, 2010, 04:03:33 PM »
I've heard a lot of complaints with Oblivion about how the enemies scale with you as you level, is it really that bad? I believe the enemies scaled like that in KOTOR and that game was piss easy so it never bothered me much.
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« Reply #71 on: July 10, 2010, 04:25:04 PM »
I've heard a lot of complaints with Oblivion about how the enemies scale with you as you level, is it really that bad? I believe the enemies scaled like that in KOTOR and that game was piss easy so it never bothered me much.

It sucks due to not being able to find the coolest gear until you've leveled pretty high. The whole game world (shops, dungeon treasures, enemy loot) scales with the player level. So you'll never see that set of Glass Gear anywhere until you've reached a level where some lowly bandit is wearing some. With that said, its exciting when you reach the point where you start seeing the better gear.

Another thing to watch out for is over leveling with non-fighting abilities and then having to somehow deal with overpowered and better geared enemies.
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« Reply #72 on: July 10, 2010, 04:44:42 PM »
I've heard a lot of complaints with Oblivion about how the enemies scale with you as you level, is it really that bad? I believe the enemies scaled like that in KOTOR and that game was piss easy so it never bothered me much.

It could be pretty bad but there are strategies to work around the scaling.  I don't remember how exactly but basically you try to increase attributes as much as possible before gaining each level. 

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« Reply #73 on: July 11, 2010, 01:42:01 PM »
With scaling, you don't have to worry about running across super-hard enemies when you're wandering around. But, it also kind of feels like you're not really being rewards for wandering around either and taking risks, because you just get standard stuff until you hit the higher levels.

Francescos Leveled Creatures mod fixes the issues, however.
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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2010, 12:25:44 AM »
With scaling, you don't have to worry about running across super-hard enemies when you're wandering around. But, it also kind of feels like you're not really being rewards for wandering around either and taking risks, because you just get standard stuff until you hit the higher levels.
Francescos Leveled Creatures mod fixes the issues, however.
The difference is with how in other games, you get unique abilities or equipment that gives you an edge when fighting a bunch of minions.  With Oblivion, it was like fighting three clones that hit you back 60% as hard or something.  It usually wasn't that big of a problem though but it did require that you spend a couple minutes healing like after every big battle.

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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2010, 09:02:57 AM »
It sucks, I can't bring myself to play mods b/c I feel compelled to experience the designer's original vision, warts and all... I own Oblivion for the 360, but didn't play nearly far enough when the whole level scaling would be a problem... honestly though the level scaling turns me off :(
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« Reply #76 on: July 12, 2010, 03:22:00 PM »
It sucks, I can't bring myself to play mods b/c I feel compelled to experience the designer's original vision, warts and all.

Bethesda released the Oblivion toolset with the express purpose of allowing you to customize your experience.
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« Reply #77 on: July 28, 2010, 10:14:51 PM »
So you have to have Oblivion to apply Morrowblivion? Ugh.

OMG I just noticed that Himuro fucking CHEATS in RPGs.

How fucking LAME-ASS gamer you have to be to do that :rofl :lol :lol

In RPGs? SINGLE-PLAYER games?!?

Every year you lose more and more of your gaming cred, Himumu. Sure enough one day you will tell us you play Farmville on Facebook.

Makes up for shitty combat. Makes the game more fun. Honestly I've only done it with two games: Vampire Bloodlines, which is a half finished product anyways, and Mass Effect 2. In Mass Effect 2 I hacked the game to give me infinite resources because I couldn't be assed to do the crappy mining. I'd "cheat" in order to get past Morrowind's crappy combat too.
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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #78 on: July 28, 2010, 10:24:19 PM »
So you have to have Oblivion to apply Morrowblivion? Ugh.

It's a mod that covers Morrowind's basic structure with Oblivion assets. At best, you'd still need Oblivion.
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« Reply #79 on: July 28, 2010, 10:27:59 PM »
Fuck that.

Looking for widescreen mods and that one mod quietid brought up so that the combat isn't crappy. That way I won't have to boot up the console and do some tinkering.
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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #80 on: July 28, 2010, 11:57:11 PM »
ugh

MGE error 2

could not open the mge settings file
the system cannot find the file specified
try running mgegui.exe to recreate the save files.

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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #81 on: July 29, 2010, 12:49:12 AM »
Got it working. I put it on the best settings through MGE and I'm not even a graphic whore but this looks awful. Interface still sucks but it's better than the xbox version. Combat is better too as you can just clickclickclickclickclick. I think I'd rather just wait for Fallout new Vegas though.
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« Reply #82 on: July 29, 2010, 12:58:24 AM »
Got it working. I put it on the best settings through MGE and I'm not even a graphic whore but this looks awful.

It's not like MGE can magically make an 8 year old game look like it came out a few months ago.  :lol
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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #83 on: July 29, 2010, 12:58:54 AM »
Of course not. I'm just saying.

Now I'm remembering why I just got up and took Morrowind back to the store when I bought it for xbox: too slow, too clunky, not fun. Unless there's a way to start having fun immediately.
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« Reply #84 on: July 29, 2010, 01:08:27 AM »
Most Bethesda games build up slowly. At the start, your guy is a total push over and all you get is junk equipment. But, as you gain higher levels you get better skills, better equipment, and can take on more awesome beasties.

Of course, one of the major draws is wandering through the worlds they've created. If that doesn't interest you, then a big chunk of the appeal is missing from the outset.
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« Reply #85 on: July 29, 2010, 01:13:49 AM »
I thought Fallout 3 was fine. You have a neat intro that chronicles your life, something goes wrong, and then you're thrust into the wastes. It's the perfect build up and it makes you give a shit. Then you find lots of interesting stuff right outside the vault like the Megaton.

In Morrowind, you get off a boring ship, and you choose from a mix of 6+ boring races, and then some guy is like lol here's a letter take it to this one guy. So then you talk to a bunch of boring npc's, through a boring interface with 999 dialogue options that result in boring tidbits no one really cares about. Then you're all on your own from there.

The pacing between Fallout 3 and Morrowind is a complete 180. Fallout 3 coddles the player for maybe 30 minutes while giving a wealth of dialogue and options and customization then sets them loose. Morrowind sets players loose in the first 2 minutes and then it's really really hard to want to play it. Heck, Oblivion does a better job too!

I can get behind wandering the wastes in Fallout because I was a Fallout fan to begin with and the history and world of the game's is interesting. I can't say the same thing for Morrowind! It is boredom incarnate. Maybe there's some quest I'm missing that will make things interesting but so far, that's not the case!
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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #86 on: July 29, 2010, 01:16:48 AM »
You should play the first two Elder Scrolls games.  :lol
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« Reply #87 on: July 29, 2010, 01:18:56 AM »
From what I've seen, Elder Scrolls is textbook case as to how more open doesn't equate to a better gaming experience. It's the polar opposite of FF13 but gets the same result!
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« Reply #88 on: July 29, 2010, 01:27:01 AM »
Oblivion and Fallout 3 are very different experiences from Morrowind. They've got a faster pace, they're more fleshed out, and they're more player-friendly.

Morrowind is a marriage of 3D graphics with early-90's PC RPG sensibilities. Interaction is sparse, story is barebones, the player is booted out the gate and told to do whatever they feel like with only a vague notion of what they're supposed to do, and the pace is slow. It's very much like a Wizardry game, but with only one character, realtime battles, and 3D graphics. Me, personally, I don't have a big problem with that. I like the way it plays, for the most part, and I don't regret the dozens and dozens of hours that I poured into it. But it's an acquired taste and some just don't have the time or the patience or whatever to dig deeply into it.

The only thing I can tell you is to get out into the world, do some quests, level up your character, and go explore some cities and dungeons.
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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #89 on: July 29, 2010, 01:35:26 AM »
I like Wizardry though!

I'm going to wait for New Vegas.
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« Reply #90 on: July 29, 2010, 01:40:07 AM »
Wizardry does a lot of the stuff you complained about though!
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Re: Morrowind or Oblivion?
« Reply #91 on: July 29, 2010, 01:41:57 AM »
But Wizardry makes up for it with awesome combat and dungeon design!
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« Reply #92 on: July 29, 2010, 01:46:05 AM »
And being brutally hard!
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« Reply #93 on: July 29, 2010, 01:46:49 AM »
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« Reply #94 on: July 29, 2010, 01:48:23 AM »
speaking of western rpg classics i've never played an ultima game  :'(

is the combat good in those?
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« Reply #95 on: July 29, 2010, 02:11:53 AM »
speaking of western rpg classics i've never played an ultima game  :'(

is the combat good in those?

It can be very rudimentary, especially in the earlier games.  The appeal is definitely mostly the exploration and dialog but this is relative to the other games out at the time.
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« Reply #96 on: July 29, 2010, 02:19:15 AM »
aren't the supposedly best ones IV and V?

Sorry I place so much emphasis on good combat, but when you've played as many jrpgs as I have, it becomes habit.
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« Reply #97 on: July 29, 2010, 02:31:58 AM »
I liked VI and VII better (which I believe are False Prophet and The Black Gate). There seems to be a distinct line of fans of the middle ones and of the later ones.
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« Reply #98 on: July 29, 2010, 04:09:46 AM »
If you want to try an Ultima game, VII is probably the best place to start. The old ones...well, they're old. They're really very accessible by modern standards. Even VII seems pretty ancient now.
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« Reply #99 on: July 29, 2010, 04:27:03 AM »
Joe knows whatsup and the real reason you should be playing Ultima is for the beautiful music...

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Its unlike most JRPGs, it really exudes the feel of the age its trying to portray


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