The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)

[Great Rumbler]

Story in games isn't the problem, the problem is HOW certain developers implement story into their games. Often the best game stories barely have any cutscenes (Silent Hill 2, Majora's Mask).

Yeah, story does not equal cutscenes.

I'd also add Half-Life 2 to that list.

[SantaC]

killer7 had a pretty rad story.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I will say, Majora's Mask was one of the few games I played where it felt like the story mattered. Often in order to solve the puzzles in the game and finish the npc specific sidequests, you had to pay attention to their motivations and pay attention to their banter. Exceptions that prove the rule and all that.

Now, I'm not as adamant against narrative as I originally let on. If you can integrate the narrative in such a way that I can safely ignore it then by all means, let the developer do what they want. Metroid Prime 1's greatest strength is that it kept its yap shut but you could read endless lore if you wanted to know what was happening in the world.

[Himu]

I like cutscenes. Sometimes. I like it when a game doesn't rely on cutscenes to tell a story. I mean, cutscenes are fine, so long as they aren't 10 minutes long, badly written and extraneous.

I'll take this:

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over this:

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[Great Rumbler]

And I will take this:

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[etiolate]

Chibi Robo has one of the best stories Nintendo has put into a game. REAL TALK.

[iconoclast]

Chibi Robo is Itagaki approved. Of course it's awesome.

[Don Flamenco]

It was more like "my daughter likes that game."  Kinda like when I meet 20-somethings that play Pokemon and I backhandedly mention that my nephew loves it.   

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I have been bi-curious about pokemon games

[close]

the story and execution of it in this game both go against everything I believe in but....team ninja/day 1 even though they haven't made a fully satisfying game since NGBlack 

[Third]

"from my point of you" 

[SantaC]

oh what a surprise gaf hates the game before it is even out 

[Third]

It is the worst Metroid game ever. So I'm not surprised.

[SantaC]

It is the worst Metroid game ever. So I'm not surprised.

That is a joke right? It might not be top tier, but it certainly isn't worse then Prime3 or the dreadful Hunters.

[Third]

It is the worst Metroid game ever. So I'm not surprised.

That is a joke right? It might not be top tier, but it certainly isn't worse then Prime3 or the dreadful Hunters.

I've played all the Metroid Prime games, and Hunters. And both were at least 10 times better than Metroid Other M(ediocre)
Still haven't played Super Metroid and Fusion. But I'm sure those two games are better also.

[TakingBackSunday]

third, you are unbearable

[SantaC]

third, you are unbearable

we finally agree on something. How  can someone say that Hunters is better than this game 

[TakingBackSunday]

If Metroid Prime Hunters was just called "Hunters" and wasn't a Metroid game, it would've been a pretty damn rad Nintendo game.

[Third]

To be honest, Metoid M isn't really a bad game. It can be quite good at times, especially the bossfights. I don't even mind the shitty cutscenes. 
I just wished it was a bit harder and had the rpg elements from Ninja Gaiden. Beating the enemies isn't rewarding in this game. They're too easy to beat and easy to bypass. You can ignore the most of them.
And the game just somehow does't feel complete. It has a sterile look to it, and those stupid endless corridors.

I might finish the game tomorrow. It's a 7/10 so far.

[Don Flamenco]

I hear there's post-game and Hard Mode that are a bit better than the main game...any truth to that?  It'd be cool if they let Team Ninja go crazy with the difficulty and AI in these parts.

[demi]

the post-game is maybe 15 minutes long and hard mode is basically "no upgrades at all" - which you have to go fetch 100% items to unlock in the first place

[Don Flamenco]

lame.  that sounds like the kind of self-imposed torture rules that people do, like beating final fantasy games with initial equips/spells.

[iconoclast]

Honestly, the only type of hard mode that would make this game challenging is one hit death with no checkpoints (just save rooms). The easy dodging just cripples the game, but at its core it's very solid (regarding the enemy patterns and such).

Don't expect too much. This is Team Ninja trying to make a casual action game, and they do a pretty good job with it.

[Junpei the Tracer!]

Just saw the commercial for this, really neat. If I never heard of the game, it would've certainly got me excited for it. That girl was really cute too.

[GilloD]

lul. Someone on GAF is complaining that someone spoiled Ridley being in the game.

Fucking really? That's like being SHOCKED that Bowser is in the next Mario game.

[Van Cruncheon]

It's not hard to comprehend. You better believe I skip any cutscene when applicable.

asspie gamers UNITE :fistbump

[Purple Filth]

lul. Someone on GAF is complaining that someone spoiled Ridley being in the game.

Fucking really? That's like being SHOCKED that Bowser is in the next Mario game.

link plz 

[SantaC]

It has a sterile look to it, and those stupid endless corridors.

oh please, if you complain at that in this game, you should play Prime 2 again (purple tint hello)

[ManaByte]

How much did Nintendo pay GT for that infomercial?

[etiolate]

what infomercial?

[ManaByte]

what infomercial?

Their review where they praise everything about the game.

[Great Rumbler]

The IGN review did pretty much the same thing.

[Third]

Now we know where the marketing budget went to...

[etiolate]

They have actually been promoting the game a lot.

[Third]

FINALLY BEAT IT
The end boss was underwhelming. And I really hated the forced fps gunfight in the end. So frustrating.
The game had some strong elements in it. But I'm glad I beat it. Will never go back to it though. Already deleted it from my HDD.

[etiolate]

this is a mistake in so many areas

it's a playable but extremely flawed game, and it lacks the "nintendo polish"

I wouldn't be surprised if they stripped the Metroid characters and told me it was a $20 steam game.

[Third]

So true.

But the game turned out better than I initially thought.
The first hour or so was absolutely trashtastic. But it got better and better.

But yeah. Not a very polished game. The endless corridors and copy&paste enemies got boring quick.
And there's barely any music in this game. A good ost would've added so much more to it.

The graphics are ok for a Wii game. It's nothing special. Some of the cg is pretty good, though.

[Don Flamenco]

this is a mistake in so many areas

it's a playable but extremely flawed game, and it lacks the "nintendo polish"

I wouldn't be surprised if they stripped the Metroid characters and told me it was a $20 steam game.

wondering what you're pointing to...I see you bitching about controls in the gaf thread.  If you can't figure them out, then I'm gonna say you're just resisting the way the game wants to be played.  Like Ninja Gaiden, this game is almost a bit too smooth in the control department.  The game's progression is just streamlined Metroid.  It couldn't get any less bumpy. 

It also requires some strategizing in fights that require missiles.  Nintendo fans may not be accustomed to this...I can just imagine people trying to go into first person with 10 enemies closing in on them.  The motion is very quick too-- point, lock-on, shoot missile, within about 2 seconds.  I had to move my sensor bar more in line with my body to pull it off perfectly.


wait...unpolished?   is this the twilight zone?!

[TakingBackSunday]

ether

[demi]

The controls are fine... I'm not sure how anyone can ahve trouble

[OptimoPeach]

I think Blackace jacked Kranz Fafka's account

[Don Flamenco]

I think Blackace jacked Kranz Fafka's account

sorry, not familiar with every random gaf/bore character, so I don't know what you're referring to...

[demi]

blackace...is like that black kid from malcom in the middle...elongated...sentences

[OptimoPeach]

[Don Flamenco]

yeah, still no idea.  This is one of those obscure "i've been on neogaf, all of its offshoots, whatever neogaf was before neogaf and irc and newsgroups with gaf characters before they joined gaf, so I know everybody and all their quirks, despite having never met them irl" jokes.   

aka lame and at least partially connected to so many bore members' inability to get pussy

[demi]

well at least you're avoiding the issue like a pro, "Kranz Fafka aka Don Flamenco"

[Don Flamenco]

oh, i used 3 ellipses...so sue me.

[Third]

BTW

Who the hell was the deleter? The story didn't make any sense. I first thought it was...

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Anthony

[close]

It was never really fully explained.

And what about that creepy litte white creature? Did that thing transform into...

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fucking Ridley?

[close]

lol

[etiolate]

this is a mistake in so many areas

it's a playable but extremely flawed game, and it lacks the "nintendo polish"

I wouldn't be surprised if they stripped the Metroid characters and told me it was a $20 steam game.

wondering what you're pointing to...I see you bitching about controls in the gaf thread.  If you can't figure them out, then I'm gonna say you're just resisting the way the game wants to be played.  Like Ninja Gaiden, this game is almost a bit too smooth in the control department.  The game's progression is just streamlined Metroid.  It couldn't get any less bumpy. 

It also requires some strategizing in fights that require missiles.  Nintendo fans may not be accustomed to this...I can just imagine people trying to go into first person with 10 enemies closing in on them.  The motion is very quick too-- point, lock-on, shoot missile, within about 2 seconds.  I had to move my sensor bar more in line with my body to pull it off perfectly.


wait...unpolished?   is this the twilight zone?!

If you're reading the gaf thread then you should be able to figure this out. 

The game is always just guessing what you mean to do because of the 2d controls in 3d and the auto-aim. I gave an example there, I'll give it again here.

The game doesn't recognize enemies above your head often, so the game wants me to run out and turn back towards the enemy. I do what the game asks(like you suggest), but then the enemy shoots a projectile. As I press up to move away from the enemy, my back turns to the enemy. I must face the enemy for auto-aim to register it. When I press down to face the enemy, the game guesses what I mean to do and guesses that I mean to sense dodge, so I barrel roll towards the enemy, unleash a charge shot which now flies past the enemy because the game now no longer senses the enemy above my ahead again as in my auto-aim range.

That is not "just how it asks to be played', that is a concept that doesn't work.

Deal with it.

[demi]

BTW

Who the hell was the deleter? The story didn't make any sense. I first thought it was...

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Anthony

[close]

It was never really fully explained.

And what about that creepy litte white creature? Did that thing transform into...

spoiler (click to show/hide)

fucking Ridley?

[close]

lol

The Deleter is never answered, but if you beat the game, and look at "Characters" one of them is labeled as "Missing" - so it is implied (and this is my guess) that he was the killer.

The white creature is explained, and yes it eventually morphs into Ridley.

[iconoclast]

Guess we'll have to wait until the sequel to deal with the deleter.

[Don Flamenco]

this is a mistake in so many areas

it's a playable but extremely flawed game, and it lacks the "nintendo polish"

I wouldn't be surprised if they stripped the Metroid characters and told me it was a $20 steam game.

wondering what you're pointing to...I see you bitching about controls in the gaf thread.  If you can't figure them out, then I'm gonna say you're just resisting the way the game wants to be played.  Like Ninja Gaiden, this game is almost a bit too smooth in the control department.  The game's progression is just streamlined Metroid.  It couldn't get any less bumpy. 

It also requires some strategizing in fights that require missiles.  Nintendo fans may not be accustomed to this...I can just imagine people trying to go into first person with 10 enemies closing in on them.  The motion is very quick too-- point, lock-on, shoot missile, within about 2 seconds.  I had to move my sensor bar more in line with my body to pull it off perfectly.


wait...unpolished?   is this the twilight zone?!

If you're reading the gaf thread then you should be able to figure this out. 

The game is always just guessing what you mean to do because of the 2d controls in 3d and the auto-aim. I gave an example there, I'll give it again here.

The game doesn't recognize enemies above your head often, so the game wants me to run out and turn back towards the enemy. I do what the game asks(like you suggest), but then the enemy shoots a projectile. As I press up to move away from the enemy, my back turns to the enemy. I must face the enemy for auto-aim to register it. When I press down to face the enemy, the game guesses what I mean to do and guesses that I mean to sense dodge, so I barrel roll towards the enemy, unleash a charge shot which now flies past the enemy because the game now no longer senses the enemy above my ahead again as in my auto-aim range.

That is not "just how it asks to be played', that is a concept that doesn't work.

Deal with it.

Yes, it's a concept that doesn't work.  Everybody who bought the game got totally ripped off and we all keep dying because there's that one thing on the ceiling and off-screen that we can't aim at properly!  Because that's totally a situation that is important, no, KEY to the entire game, as it puts you in soooo many situations where you must press down while trying to turn around and with a dodge-able projectile coming at you, forcing you to sense move while also throwing off your auto-aim.  It would take AGES to readjust and kill the guy a different way than with an auto-charge.

Oh no wait, I see the problem: you suck at it!  Just like everyone on gaf said. It's unanimous.  but since I'm feeling nice -- If you're running from an enemy on the ceiling and he shoots at you, sense move in any direction you want.  Or better yet, jump the shot.  Or sense move, don't fire a power shot and instead, turn around and take your pick of ways to kill it.  Nice try on setting up a false dilemma though.  

[cool breeze]

I picked this up earlier and only played a bit, but I have to say that the voice acting and writing are unbelievable.  Did no one listen to this? Samus's voice is is intolerable.

[etiolate]

I'm not trying to sense move you dumbass. That's the whole thing.

[OptimoPeach]

yeah, still no idea.  This is one of those obscure "i've been on neogaf, all of its offshoots, whatever neogaf was before neogaf and irc and newsgroups with gaf characters before they joined gaf, so I know everybody and all their quirks, despite having never met them irl" jokes.   

aka lame and at least partially connected to so many bore members' inability to get pussy

Man I'm too beastly at video games to be scrounging for e-cred like that. He's not exactly an obscure figure over there

[Don Flamenco]

yeah, still no idea.  This is one of those obscure "i've been on neogaf, all of its offshoots, whatever neogaf was before neogaf and irc and newsgroups with gaf characters before they joined gaf, so I know everybody and all their quirks, despite having never met them irl" jokes.   

aka lame and at least partially connected to so many bore members' inability to get pussy

Man I'm too beastly at video games to be scrounging for e-cred like that. He's not exactly an obscure figure over there

   yeah, but you can't expect people to actually pay attention to the social culture of that site. 

I guess the answer is that I write long sentences.  And use ellipses. 

I'm not trying to sense move you dumbass. That's the whole thing.

I got it, I know.  You're not trying to sense anything.  Yes, if you disembody this quirk and hold it up as an example of sloppiness, it's going to look bad.  In reality (the context of the gameplay), it's a 3 second moment you're talking about here.  More so, it has no discernible effect past those 3 seconds.  Because the answer is, if you want to turn around as soon as a bullet is a second away from going up Samus' wonderfully submissive vagina that I would love to dominate with my oppressive male member, sense moving is going to take priority over---GETTING HIT. WOW, fancy that?   

A lot of games have context buttons that do more than one thing and pretty much all of them have issues with that button sometimes not doing what you want it to.  I'd say this is a lot more hidden.

 Deal with it. 

[cool breeze]

The game isn't too bad so far.  It's a bit dull, but it seems alright.

The cutscenes are embarrassing.  They managed to make Samus completely awful in seconds.  They outdid George Lucas here.  The action is alright, it's really automatic.  The only thing I don't get is jumping on these enemies to kill them; it works one out of four times.  I don't get how I'm dodging either.  The explanation just seemed like "hold the d-pad and she will dodge", so I guess it just dodges as long as you don't stand still? I guess you need to stay still to shoot in first person.  The first person stuff is lame too.

[demi]

Just mash te d-pad and she will flip around whenever an enemy farts in her distance - hold the fire button and it will be an instant charge-shot when she lands

[etiolate]

Sometimes you'll dodge when you're doing something, sometimes it won't dodge. It doesn't break the game but all the automated stuff is very iffy. It's very frustrating.

My favorite was the lava area instant death area. I kept doing that over and over because I thought if I was holding a direction it would dodge like always.  Instead I had to stop right over the death area and then move again. Game is crying out for some decent, consistent game logic.

[Don Flamenco]

I died the first time through that because I thought it would sense move too.  considering the only other two buttons besides the d-pad are jump and shoot, jumping seemed like the best deduction. 

Not sure why you're overthinking this game so hard, man   It is a departure from metroid as we know it, but so was prime.  I had more issues figuring out prime than I did this.  Both games are pretty awesome.  I feel like this is kind of a return to form for Team Ninja, not in the difficult action game sense, but in how addictive the game is.

[etiolate]

It's not a departure. It really is nothing like a metroid game. It's just a budget action game.

I am not sure I can finish this game sober.

[SantaC]

It's not a departure. It really is nothing like a metroid game. It's just a budget action game.

I am not sure I can finish this game sober.

the game is more metroid then prime was