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Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
« Reply #420 on: September 02, 2010, 03:22:48 PM »
that's fucking bullshit and you know it :rofl
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Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
« Reply #421 on: September 02, 2010, 06:51:49 PM »
yeah, this is way too streamlined to be "more Metroid than Prime."  that's why people liked prime-- it was just first person metroid. This is more of an action game with light Metroid elements.

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Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
« Reply #422 on: September 02, 2010, 07:14:13 PM »
I finished it. The quality of the end of the cinematic and end credits were impressive. The unraveling of the story is wtflol. I especially hate how the final boss has nothing to do with the story, and all the villains amount to nothing in the matter of the game. I just don't understand why I couldn't at least fight
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Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
« Reply #423 on: September 02, 2010, 07:31:38 PM »
Who is the final boss?
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« Reply #424 on: September 02, 2010, 07:37:53 PM »
Who is the final boss?

I guess I'll spoiler this

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Technically - Queen Metroid (Metroid II)

But soon after you do a stupid ass first person shooter bit where you aresupposed to protect the scientist lady, then when "MB" (Mother Brain Android) shows herself you aim at her and fire... then a 10 minute long cutscene plays and that's the end of the game
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« Reply #425 on: September 02, 2010, 07:44:19 PM »
lol

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Do you have to bomb the queen's stomach like in Metroid 2?

Someone told me the last boss was Phantoon but I guess they were full of shit. I didn't think that made much sense anyway
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Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
« Reply #426 on: September 02, 2010, 07:46:00 PM »
He is, but it's part of the "epilogue" and isnt even part of the story. He just randomly appears and you fight him.

And yes you kill it that way. The game doesnt even tell you that you can use power bombs, I made a post about it earlier in the thread. lol
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Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
« Reply #427 on: September 02, 2010, 09:30:00 PM »
"Samus, activate this suit function that makes you not die.  sorry you had to be hurting for the past half hour my bad lol"

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Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
« Reply #428 on: September 03, 2010, 12:40:51 AM »
I just tried to play Metroid 2 on Game Boy... after 15 minutes I couldn't take it anymore. This game is so bad. Wowee hunt metroids.
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« Reply #429 on: September 03, 2010, 12:48:57 AM »
Ahaha it is pretty awful. The screen is so cramped, too. I ruined that childhood memory when I replayed it (with a color patch even) last year
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Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
« Reply #430 on: September 03, 2010, 01:06:00 AM »
I fired up Sword of Hope after... that game is awesome. Wish it had a save, but save states will do just fine
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Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
« Reply #431 on: September 03, 2010, 06:28:26 AM »
A metroid 2 remake on 3DS could be nice. Sakamoto manages to not fuck things up when he's copying an old Metroid.

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Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
« Reply #432 on: September 03, 2010, 01:55:33 PM »
Other M 2 is gonna be amazing. 

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« Reply #433 on: September 03, 2010, 02:03:44 PM »
This game is going to bomb hard. So I don't think we'll be getting a sequel.
I would be interested, though.

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« Reply #434 on: September 03, 2010, 02:04:56 PM »
There are lots of Other Ms appearing on GAF buy/sell thread... lol
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« Reply #435 on: September 03, 2010, 03:13:49 PM »
This game is going to bomb hard. So I don't think we'll be getting a sequel.
I would be interested, though.

it's going to bomb hard because 30 something guys in metallica shirts on message boards say so? 

I don't know what it'll do.  They advertised it and it has "metroid" in the title.  IIRC, Prime 2, 3, and Hunters all didn't do so hot, but here we are with another Metroid game.

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« Reply #436 on: September 03, 2010, 03:34:51 PM »
follow these simply rules,if the game

it's not mario
there is no waggle
there are no mii
it's not dragon quest
it's not final fantasy
it's not pokemon
it's not madden
it's not call of duty

then it's going to bomb hard no matter what
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« Reply #437 on: September 03, 2010, 05:20:43 PM »
This game is going to bomb hard. So I don't think we'll be getting a sequel.
I would be interested, though.

it's going to bomb hard because 30 something guys in metallica shirts on message boards say so? 

I don't know what it'll do.  They advertised it and it has "metroid" in the title.  IIRC, Prime 2, 3, and Hunters all didn't do so hot, but here we are with another Metroid game.

LOL, Metroid was never the most popular Nintendo franchise. And this game is different than the previous games.
I'll accept a one week ban if this sells over 200k in NA.

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« Reply #438 on: September 03, 2010, 05:29:35 PM »
going to buy 200k copies be right back :smug

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« Reply #439 on: September 03, 2010, 06:10:02 PM »
Oh, I thought it was an OA thing. Got banned there for a month after losing a bet a few years ago.
But I'm sure I can win this one.

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« Reply #440 on: September 03, 2010, 08:02:57 PM »
Sales wise, it may sell more in Japan than Prime. MAY.

But it will be a let down for NOA. And word of mouth is bad, so no "legs".

Good news is a sequence break was found and IT WAS RIGHT IN A SPOT I KEPT TRYING TO DO. I just didn't bomb jump right.

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« Reply #441 on: September 04, 2010, 04:14:47 PM »
yeah, this is way too streamlined to be "more Metroid than Prime."  that's why people liked prime-- it was just first person metroid. This is more of an action game with light Metroid elements.

Prime 3 was streamlined as well. And seriously, the whole Prime trilogy had more deviant moments than Other M was. Other M was basically a fusion + Super metroid game in 3D whereas Prime introduced many new elements and stupid characters like Rundas, Ghor, Gandrayda etc

And seriously, Metroid never had you to unlock seven temple keys (in Prime 2) in order to get to a new area.

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Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
« Reply #442 on: September 04, 2010, 05:43:55 PM »
wiigger plz

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« Reply #443 on: September 04, 2010, 06:20:14 PM »
BRING ON ZELDA
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« Reply #444 on: September 04, 2010, 06:26:57 PM »
Good news is a sequence break was found and IT WAS RIGHT IN A SPOT I KEPT TRYING TO DO. I just didn't bomb jump right.
How much of a time saver? Would it be possible for any bosses to be skipped, or is it more like Fusion in how areas are totally blocked off until the story is progressed?

I think I'm gonna try to redo my Super Metroid run. Just reading about Other M and watching gameplay got me itching :duh
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« Reply #445 on: September 04, 2010, 06:50:09 PM »
I can't tell how far it lets you go after you skip getting speed boost. A lot of doors are just locked off and there's no weapon system that unlocks them. They are just locked until you reach a point where it opens up areas for you. There is a lot less of "new ability leads to progression" and more just locked doors.

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« Reply #446 on: September 04, 2010, 06:55:03 PM »
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bad word of mouth


Translation:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23157239&postcount=6659


Read in conjunction with this:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23157434&postcount=6667


I like what you've had to say about games before, but man, Metroid puts a stick up your butt!

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Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
« Reply #447 on: September 04, 2010, 07:07:22 PM »
I just gave up on them. They kept trying to find the sentiment in what I was saying and completely missing what the words actually said.

It's not a stick up my butt, it's incredibly tiring to explain shit to people who don't understand it. I only explain it because they're joining of a conversation they clearly don't understand makes me think they do want to understand, but it kept showing that they didn't want to understand. Their last responses had nothing to do with what I posted.

And if you read other forums, SA, P-A, etc. The vibe is bad. NeoGAF is the most positive because of four or five fans trying to convince each other that its great. People are even praising the story in that thread. Sweet jebus.

Still, many new comments on the game in that thread are not positive. People are just afraid of the loony juice being passed around.


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« Reply #448 on: September 04, 2010, 07:40:31 PM »
i fail to see how the story is worse than your typical marine soldier in space shooting aliens and saving planets? (etc halo)

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« Reply #449 on: September 04, 2010, 07:46:29 PM »
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« Reply #450 on: September 05, 2010, 01:02:50 AM »
I liked the game in the end.  I don't know if I'd say it was a good game, but I was still able to enjoy it.  It's a game I really want a sequel to just because there is so much broken shit that needs to be addressed.

The story and everything that relates to it is unbelievable.  They completely dive bomb Samus' character within seconds and it keeps plummeting throughout the game.  It takes a shit on everything Metroid from the past, oh I dunno, two decades?  all things considered, Metroid Pinball did a better job.  Ok, even take Metroid out of it and it is still awful; it reminds me of bad PS2 games like EoE.

The combat is the boring and easy and dull and the controls are fucked.  One key thing about the potential sequel is to take it away from the Wii and its nonsense controls.  Put on the 3DS, have aiming in third person or just work like MGS2, have a dodge button, have more buttons that do things, have the player doing something during combat, etc.  There are some choices that don't make sense.  When the controller is horizontal, 1 is shoot, and when it is vertical, A is shoot.  1 doesn't do anything when you hold it vertically, so why can't they let you still use that as the fire button and 2 as missiles? To do something as simple has hold a charge between view changes is you fumbling with the controller.  And why can't you move in first person? the d-pad doesn't do anything in that mode.  Sometimes you just need to change your position by a bit and the game requires you to turn the controller back to the horizontal positndoinapsndfpiasjdfpoi bottom line: is it's a hassle.    oh, and I didn't realize the game ended when it did because it was so...dull.  everything about this game is dull.

ok, I can't remember what I liked about this game anymore.  All I remember is a list of frustrating shit.  I guess I liked the parts the resembled Metroid games, just made baby easy, like highlighting all the items on your map and things like that.  This game is like the Phantom Menace of Metroid.   What the hell happened? Zero Mission was so awesome! how did Metroid games become shoddy quake clones, pinball games, and this? where did the people who made Zero Mission, or even Fusion, go? where did the people who made good handheld Zelda games go?

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« Reply #451 on: September 05, 2010, 01:03:41 AM »
Wow I totally forgot Metroid Pinball even existed... lol.
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« Reply #452 on: September 05, 2010, 01:11:30 AM »
What I'd do with this game is strip the Metroid title and theme, change the main character into a futuristic space spy with a gun and let Team Ninja have the nunchuk and go straight into a full action game.

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« Reply #453 on: September 05, 2010, 01:14:34 AM »
I can get behind that. Or better yet, Team Ninja can ditch the Wii for good and make NG3 for 360/PS3.
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« Reply #454 on: September 05, 2010, 01:15:10 AM »
Or better yet, Team Ninja can ditch the Wii for good and make NG3 for 360.

Fixed. Rather not gimp their game
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« Reply #455 on: September 05, 2010, 01:20:54 AM »
co-sign on NG3 on 360

I think this is the only action game on the Wii and I'm guessing Team Ninja assumes all Wii owners are 4 and can't handle playing video games.  They should have learned from Treasure that making a game that no one will play that's brutal and awesome like Sin and Punishment 2 is the way to go. 

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« Reply #456 on: September 05, 2010, 01:27:01 AM »
There's Mad World and NMH to some extent. You could classify that western samurai Ubisoft game as action. I am not sure which is the best of that bunch.

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« Reply #457 on: September 05, 2010, 10:05:12 AM »
I think the difficulty picks up nicely towards the middle-- fire/ice zones.  I died a lot on some platforming segments and in a few trickier fights, but once you get enough energy tanks, you can muscle through anything.  They've got some great enemies here with multiple attack patterns.  The game needed a hard mode where the AI is better. 

But challenge in the combat would be a new thing to the Metroid series.  2D Metroid is even easier than this game, so I'm not sure what people are smoking.  Then again, I can't remember being hampered by the controls once, either.  I've never seen so much sandy vagina surrounding a video game.

Anyone else notice that the animation for getting bit by piranhas in this game is *exactly* the same as getting bit by ghost fish in Ninja Gaiden? 


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« Reply #458 on: September 05, 2010, 10:06:25 AM »
Only time I died was the stupid Queen Metroid fight.. thanks for telling me about Power Bombs
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« Reply #459 on: September 05, 2010, 10:35:30 AM »
Ninja Gaiden 3 without Itagaki :lol

Hayashi leading a Ninja Gaiden sequel? :lol
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« Reply #460 on: September 05, 2010, 10:39:09 AM »
I can already see the early interviews:  "We want Ninja Gaiden 3 to be more accessible to all players."   that game is gonna be shit.

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« Reply #461 on: September 05, 2010, 10:44:23 AM »
I can already see the early interviews:  "We want Ninja Gaiden 3 to be more accessible to all players."   that game is gonna be shit.

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« Reply #462 on: September 05, 2010, 10:57:42 AM »
those bug things during the first person part with MB have the same animations as the huge spider ninjas from NG2.  And the sound effect from Doku's sword when you use that life drain move.

Guess Team Ninja reused a lot of stuff for this game.

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« Reply #463 on: September 05, 2010, 11:02:53 AM »
Watching the ending....now I understand why people hate this game.  Samus doesn't seem attainable anymore and she gets some BBC from Anthony. 

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« Reply #464 on: September 05, 2010, 11:05:09 AM »
Only time I died was the stupid Queen Metroid fight.. thanks for telling me about Power Bombs

About that, if I never played Metroid 2, I probably would've had that problem.  The game doesn't mention anything and you have to just assume you have an attack.
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that plus the game seemingly ends when you just got the power bomb is surprising.  You were expecting to go back and open all those doors but suddenly the credits are rolling.  It's nice that they have a little epilogue bit.
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I can already see the early interviews:  "We want Ninja Gaiden 3 to be more accessible to all players."   that game is gonna be shit.

Ninja Gaiden DS is basically Ninja Gaiden 1 made really, really, really easy.  I remember people saying it was Hayashi behind it, not Itagaki (or something like that?).  I'm just trying to say I wouldn't be surprised.
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« Reply #465 on: September 05, 2010, 11:15:52 AM »
that's on the DS, it kinda has to be really easy.  But NGS2 is also very easy and NGS1 is toned down from black.  I think it's safe to say NG3 will be simplified.  Even NGBlack came out before the great pussification of gamers happened this gen.  You just can't aim a tough-as-shit game at a wide audience.

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« Reply #466 on: September 05, 2010, 11:18:40 AM »
Watched the Spoony review. This guy is as eloquent as a drunk monkey. Why do people watch his reviews again?

At least one good thing came from that review: his comparison of Metroid Other M to Final Fantasy 13. Thanks for saving me 50 bucks, Spoony!
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« Reply #467 on: September 05, 2010, 11:22:39 AM »
At least one good thing came from that review: his comparison of Metroid Other M to Final Fantasy 13. Thanks for saving me 50 bucks, Spoony!


whaaaaat.  okay, lets clear this up.  There are lots of cutscenes in the beginning, there are lots of cutscenes in the end.  there are hardly any throughout the game.  They are typical japanese anime-trope gamer fare and are bad.  but they're not that invasive. 


but yeah, don't spend $50 on this, considering it's already almost half-price used.

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« Reply #468 on: September 05, 2010, 11:34:27 AM »
Watched the Spoony review. This guy is as eloquent as a drunk monkey. Why do people watch his reviews again?

At least one good thing came from that review: his comparison of Metroid Other M to Final Fantasy 13. Thanks for saving me 50 bucks, Spoony!

ehy i did that comparison before,i want the merit!
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« Reply #469 on: September 05, 2010, 11:35:04 AM »
So it's not like FF13 where it's run for a few minutes, cutscene, the whole game?
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« Reply #470 on: September 05, 2010, 11:40:59 AM »
the first hour is like that,then the number of cutscene decrease,game is still about running around dull looking hallway and combat that almost plays itself

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« Reply #471 on: September 05, 2010, 11:47:04 AM »
Doesn't sound like FF13. FF13 is that formula I described throughout except chapter 11.
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« Reply #472 on: September 05, 2010, 12:02:42 PM »
yeah, it's not FFXIII level.  I think some of the early reviewers didn't beat the game or play more than an hour or two, judging by how focused they are on the cutscenes. 

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Re: The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)
« Reply #473 on: September 05, 2010, 12:35:51 PM »
Watched the Spoony review. This guy is as eloquent as a drunk monkey. Why do people watch his reviews again?

At least one good thing came from that review: his comparison of Metroid Other M to Final Fantasy 13. Thanks for saving me 50 bucks, Spoony!

ehy i did that comparison before,i want the merit!
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« Reply #474 on: September 05, 2010, 02:48:17 PM »
the first hour is like that,then the number of cutscene decrease,game is still about running around dull looking hallway and combat that almost plays itself



is it halo?

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« Reply #475 on: September 05, 2010, 03:51:50 PM »
moer liek gaylol 


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« Reply #476 on: September 05, 2010, 06:03:21 PM »
There's still tons of cutscenes. There's a segment with less cutscenes, but its still about 1/3 cutscene 2/3 game in a very short game.

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Because it's Metroid. There is a standard here. A very high standard. That they shit on.

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« Reply #477 on: September 05, 2010, 06:29:21 PM »
Haha, half the Metroid series is average. What standard?
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« Reply #478 on: September 05, 2010, 06:36:45 PM »
smh

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« Reply #479 on: September 05, 2010, 06:40:53 PM »
Haha, half the Metroid series is average. What standard?

lets see...

Metroid 1 - gotta respect it, but I could never finish it as a young kid without codes.  It's like Zelda 1 - very counterintuitive if you don't have someone telling you what to do.

Metroid 2 - decent, but didn't finish it

Super Metroid -- perfection of the formula

Metroid Zero Mission -- Metroid 1 done right, enjoyed it from start to finish.  Solid game.

Metroid Fusion - decent, but wasn't compelled to finish it.

Metroid Prime - amazing game!

Metroid Prime 2 - ehhhhh, wow.  what the fuck.  Why is this so dark and boring...ammo? lol.  Multiplayer? Really? They put that in there?

Metroid Prime 3 - wait, what?  awkward wii controls, space marine dialogue, split up planets?  seinfeldleavingtheater.gif

Metroid Prime Trilogy - As if we needed even more proof that Wii controls suck for first person games.

Metroid Prime Pinball - fuck yeah!!  This game rules.  

Metroid Other M - solid.  Not amazing, not horrible, definitely fun and worth a playthrough. Unless you're mentally impaired and refuse to grasp the controls (Hint: line up the sensor bar in front of you.)


Sounds about right.
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