Kingdom Hearts BBS

[magus]

i don't see anything wrong with the story?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

it's a retcon/procon/selfcon nightmare

I think the conclusion of Kingdom Hearts III is that every character was Ansem all along - as well as Xehanort (also Sora)

[magus]

that's kinda stupid but not really that much stupid but not convoluted

[Howard Alan Treesong]

that's kinda stupid but not really that much stupid but not convoluted

similarly, Xemnas is kinda Xehanort but not really that much Ansem but not Ansem the Wise

[magus]

yes xehanort,xemnas and ansem are all the same character,xehanort is the original baddie and then he spawned those other two tough the power of plot

that seems pretty straightforward to me

[Howard Alan Treesong]

yes xehanort,xemnas and ansem are all the same character,xehanort is the original baddie and then he spawned those other two tough the power of plot

that seems pretty straightforward to me

well, why don't you finish BBS then get back to me

[Bebpo]

what the FUCK

is WRONG

with this STORY

it is a perfect application of "Nomura's Razor": all other things being equal, the most convoluted explanation is usually correct.

hahahaha, what happened?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

what the FUCK

is WRONG

with this STORY

it is a perfect application of "Nomura's Razor": all other things being equal, the most convoluted explanation is usually correct.

hahahaha, what happened?

THIS!

(Full KH Series Spoilers)

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[Bebpo]

I made this just for you!  You have to watch all this in order before you can bitch about the story  

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Terra
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Ven
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Aqua
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BBS full ending pt.1
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BBS full ending pt.2
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BBS full ending pt.3
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Secret ending pt.1
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Secret ending pt.2
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Nomura did a really good job with the plot imo.  He took the busted ass nonsense mess of KH plot and explained almost EVERYTHING as well as set up perfectly for KH3.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I still have no idea waht a heartless or a nobody is or anything jesus fuck why couldnt this game just be simple

[Bebpo]

KH BBS Final Mix for Japan.  Nothing new announced so far.  Just the additions for the US version & English voices.  Doubt they're going to add a whole bunch of new stuff like KH1 or KH2 with Re:Coded almost out and 3DS announced.

[Rman]

Re: Coded is for the plain DS or the 3ds?

[Bebpo]

Plain DS, comes out Oct. 7th in Japan.  Features a deep dive style secret FMV movie that hints towards KH3DS.  Will also have cutscenes tying BBS into 3DS.

Battle system is going to be like BBS upgraded.

[Rman]

Ugh.  That's gonna suck with crappy DS 3D.  BBS is so pretty.

[TakingBackSunday]

I just want to see the deed dive video for KH3DS

[Bebpo]

Ugh.  That's gonna suck with crappy DS 3D.  BBS is so pretty.

Well at least it's the last crappy looking KH.  3DS should look on par with BBS.

Plus it doesn't look thaaaat bad. It's going to use PS2 in-game fmv for all the major cutscenes and it uses stupid 2d cutouts for dialogue.  In game combat is shitty 352/8 days tiny rooms with ugly graphics yeah.
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[MyNameIsMethodis]

I didn't play 385 or w/e but what made it so bad

[TakingBackSunday]

the combat was pretty good, but it was the endless repetition and sterile environments that killed it.  Re:coded seems to make both better, and the combat is apparently different as well.  for the better I guess?  I don't know, I'm not following it too closely

[magus]

isn't re:coded just a port of a cellphone spinoff game... does anyone seriously think a cellphone spinoff will be better than this? i bet they are going to recycle the shit out of art assets like they did for 352/8 days

anyway i'm almost done,just reached never land with aqua,i'm somewhat pissed by the fact that while they did good job giving a different boss fight to everyone,they used and abused one particular boss fight

[Bebpo]

isn't re:coded just a port of a cellphone spinoff game... does anyone seriously think a cellphone spinoff will be better than this? i bet they are going to recycle the shit out of art assets like they did for 352/8 days

of course not.

But it might be a game that is fun to play and adds more to the overall KH storyline.

[magus]

i finished with aqua and unlocked the final episode but i'm really tempted to just youtube the ending and be done with the game,i barely leveled aqua since i was already sick to do all the optional stuff that give you the cool reward AGAIN so she's not up to par and coincidentaly she's the one who fights the final final boss.... if i wants to bring her up to the par,i have to get back to aqua save,level up her in that save,then defeat aqua final boss again and graaaaaaaaaa that's so stupid and annoying! it takes me like 2 minutes to youtube the ending,instead of doing all this save hopping

i think it was also a terrible mistake to play the whole game on critical,doing half the damage doesn't make the game harder,it just force's you to level up because you hit like a little girl

[Bebpo]

Yeah, I played on normal.  It was fun.

[magus]

the problem is that terra does a lot of damage so playing on critical with terra seems fair,then you switch to ventus and he literaly does 4 pixel of damage for combo in later worlds,5 level later and you are finaly on par!

but really i'm more annoyed by the whole 3 character ordeal,they don't really feel much different in the end and it's a pain in the ass to relearn "once more" 3 times,or do the iron prisoner challenge 3 times,or having to grind each character to level 30,3 times

i think they did a good job since the characters visit different part of the worlds and fight different bosses,but it's not a perfect job since you still end up traversing some segments twice and one of the boss is fought like 6 times
 

[cool breeze]

what is this mario party board game shit?

are you required to ever do this?

[Bebpo]

The board game is awesome and no it's all optional.
It's Square's Itadaki Street KH/Disney style. 

Turn movement speed to FAST and have fun leveling all your stuff quickly and winning awesome new magic/shotlocks/abilities

[cool breeze]

this game is so confusing

I can't beat this first boss.  I lock on, he jumps into the air, I have no idea what is going on at this point, he hurts me, there is a qte thing where I mash X, then I die.  I go again, try and block his attack (I think it was an attack, I couldn't see shit) and that does nothing.  I don't even know what is going on.  And there are so many gauges on the screen.  there is health, d-link, focus, commands, then the triangle attacks that each have their own meter.   oh, and after I die, I have to replay a little sequence again and watch a cutscene.  That's another thing I already dislike: long ass cutscenes.  This is a portable game and I want to get into the action, which I don't think I like so far, but whatever.

I guess I beat him.  My character activated super saiyajin mode and I killed it? I have no clue

I need to read the manual before I play more.  I don't even understand the goal of that board game.

[Rman]

You mean Fever Pitch?  It's a command style. You build it up by using your Commands and regular attacks.  It's the red gauge on the left.  If you use Commands primarily to build up the gauge you will be use your command style, which was Fever Pitch in your case, instead of using a basic finisher.

[Bebpo]

this game is so confusing

I can't beat this first boss.  I lock on, he jumps into the air, I have no idea what is going on at this point, he hurts me, there is a qte thing where I mash X, then I die.  I go again, try and block his attack (I think it was an attack, I couldn't see shit) and that does nothing.  I don't even know what is going on.  And there are so many gauges on the screen.  there is health, d-link, focus, commands, then the triangle attacks that each have their own meter.   oh, and after I die, I have to replay a little sequence again and watch a cutscene.  That's another thing I already dislike: long ass cutscenes.  This is a portable game and I want to get into the action, which I don't think I like so far, but whatever.

I guess I beat him.  My character activated super saiyajin mode and I killed it? I have no clue

I need to read the manual before I play more.  I don't even understand the goal of that board game.

The game is pretty complicated but that's what makes it good.  It's the deepest combat in the series (and a good board game too!).  Definitely try to learn what all the systems do, it'll make the game way more fun.

Also make sure you start MELDING asap, it's where you get all your attacks.

[Rman]

I'm up to the third world in Ventus's campaign and I haven't started melding anything.  I've got a huge pack rat mentality with JRPGs, mastering each spell and attack command. 

But I will take your advice, Bepbo.  Game is not that bad so far in terms of difficultly, so I've had no motivation. 

[cool breeze]

doesn't melding gets rid of your existing attacks?

[Bebpo]

Yeah, so you need to at least wait until you have a bunch.  3rd world probably sounds like a good time to start.  I did most of my melding after finishing the midpoint of the story in the midpoint area.  You'll know when you get there because it's the same for all 3.

Also d-links are your friends early on.  They let you use attacks you don't have yet and it's actually pretty easy to grind out the 2 items to max the d-links to the best version quickly.

[cool breeze]

is there an arena to grind out or something? I read the manual and there is that multiplayer place.

I'm still confused.  Even the manual doesn't give you a straight answer.  It's like "you can do the finish command if you fill up that bar, or by filling certain requirements you can enter a power up'd state"  wait, what are the requirements? "you can upgrade finishers by doing something" yeah, thanks for the tip, prick.

[cool breeze]

this board game is a cheating piece of shit.  four one rolls in a row. come on.

edit: five.  five one rolls in a row.  fuck this.

and why are they making me watch these asshole other characters play?

[magus]

is there an arena to grind out or something? I read the manual and there is that multiplayer place.

I'm still confused.  Even the manual doesn't give you a straight answer.  It's like "you can do the finish command if you fill up that bar, or by filling certain requirements you can enter a power up'd state"  wait, what are the requirements? "you can upgrade finishers by doing something" yeah, thanks for the tip, prick.

go to stats and then style and i'll tell you what are the requirement
and yes there is an arena where you can grind your heart out,it's top left from the map and you can also play it in multiplayer

as for how to upgrade your finisher the game doesn't tell you the requirements which really sucks,but they are requirement which get easily fulfilled like "kills X enemy" "walk X steps" "get X XP"

[cool breeze]

quick question: I'm playing as Terra now.  When I switch to other characters, do stats/abilities carry through or do they really expect you to start at the beginning and grind everything again for each character?

[magus]

yes,they expect you to grind each time you switch character and it's ultra-distinguished mentally-challenged and also the reason i didn't bother finishing the game in the first place

[cool breeze]

ugh

yeah, forget that.  I'm on the 4th world and this game is pretty boring.  Unless it picks up, I don't think I could bother playing with the two others.  I mean, the game still doesn't feel right because I don't have all the abilities and they want me to start without them again? do the Japanese actually enjoy this shit? at least Falcom knows how to make a fun game.

at least are each character's games short? how far am I into Terra's? I

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just was cruising on my jet moto and Xenosomething hit me up on my cell telling me to go to some planet.

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[magus]

each character is like 10-15 hours
the progress for every character is like

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first 3 disney world

Snow-white
Cinderella
Sleeping beauty

Radiant Town

3 Other Disney World

Disney Town (just a hub for short & lame minigame)
Lilo & Stitch
Hercules

after that you do peter pan
after peter pan you get to the final boss

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[cool breeze]

whoa what? you have to repeat the same worlds with each character?

[magus]

ahahahah
yes but they fight different boss and access different part of the level so it's all cool
some cool example

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ventus gets shrinked to mice size and wanders around cinderella house so he meets jaq instead of going to the castle and fight lucifer the cat
aqua gets to explore maleficent castle and tag team maleficent dragon form together with prince philips

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in case you are curious for the complete boss list

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Cinderella

Terra: a giant unversed shaped like a conductor who attacks with musical instrument
Ven: Lucifer the cat
Aqua: a giant unversed shaped like cinderella pumpkin chariot

Snow-White

Terra: Evil Mirror Spirit
Ven: a giant unversed shaped like a tree
Aqua: Evil Mirror Spirit (the only repeat in a disney world)

Sleeping Beauty

Terra: a giant unversed shaped like a spindle
Ven: Maleficent as a witch
Aqua: Maleficent as a dragon

Radiant Garden

Everybody fights a giant armor unversed,then

Terra: jerk called braig who later appears in KH2
Ven: Nobody
Aqua: Vanitas

Lilo & Stitch

Terra: Experiment 221
Ven: giant medusa shaped unversed
Aqua: captain gantu

Hercules

Terra: Zack from FF7
Ven: a swarm of normal unversed
Aqua: Zack,then Hades + Ice Titan

Peter Pan

Terra: Peter Pan
Ven: Captain Hook
Aqua: Vanitas

Final Boss

Terra: Xehanort
Ven: Vanitas
Aqua: Braig then Vanitas

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[cool breeze]

wow

I'll keep playing but forget trying to level up all abilities, mending, finding all items, stickers, and whatever other chores they have for you.  This game feels like work.  Long boring cutscene, some decent action, more long boring cutscene, level up this gauge and that gauge and this bar and that bar and these two circles and those two circles and these abilities and those abilities and these magics and those magics and do it again two more times.

[Bebpo]

If you just play normal and spend 1 hour grinding after Radiant Garden with each character you'll be overpowered and have all the best attacks in the game for each.

This is "not" a grindy game.

[Rman]

I'm having fun with this game, but much like the other Kingdom Hearts games, the combat portion really gets boring and tedious.