3DS Conference - READ OP

[Dickie Dee]

almost all games released for the system are built as "console quality" experiences that nobody wants to play because they can play better "console quality" games on fucking consoles.

And this is exactly why I think Nintendo need to wake the fuck up with the 3DS.

Metal Gear Solid? Assassins Creed? Dead or Alive? Saints Row? Resident Evil? Ridge Racer? Splinter Cell? Super Street Fighter? DJ Hero?

Have they learned nothing from PSP?

Nintendo can get away with it as they will have a perfect balance of casual titles and hardcore titles.

You mean just like how Sony had the perfect balance of casual and hardcore titles going into the PSP and PS3?

And you're completely fooling yourself if you think Nintendo didn't approach the majority of 'confirmed' developers -specifically western developers- for 3DS content.

Sony didn't have a balance of casual and core titles that would actually sell.

yeah, no. 

The platform with the most shovelware has always been the platform that sells the most.

...or maybe the platform that sells the most has always gotten the most shovelware. Just sayin'

[EmCeeGrammar]

you guys keep saying they should aim for the nintendo and apple markets, but you're forgetting that those markets are already filled by, well, nintendo and apple
 

I'm actually in the boat of saying there is nothing Sony can do to remain relevant in this market, outside of some drastic reinvention/disruption akin to the ds control inputs or the apple distribution model.  Unfortuneatly, I have no idea what that could be, but the market with expendable income doesn't have long periods of downtime to play console games on the go (sans Japan).  So therefore, I don't see how they could effectively market such a 'portable' experience and hope to find a large enough audience to sustain their business.   

Back to market relevancy, I'm kinda curious to see how receptive the market is to a dedicated game player like the 3ds after the Iphone gaming scene has gained so much traction over the years.  Nintendo has their work cut out for them.

[SantaC]

I am surprised that there isn't a good PSP emulator on the market.

[TripleA]

almost all games released for the system are built as "console quality" experiences that nobody wants to play because they can play better "console quality" games on fucking consoles.

And this is exactly why I think Nintendo need to wake the fuck up with the 3DS.

Metal Gear Solid? Assassins Creed? Dead or Alive? Saints Row? Resident Evil? Ridge Racer? Splinter Cell? Super Street Fighter? DJ Hero?

Have they learned nothing from PSP?

Nintendo can get away with it as they will have a perfect balance of casual titles and hardcore titles.

You mean just like how Sony had the perfect balance of casual and hardcore titles going into the PSP and PS3?

And you're completely fooling yourself if you think Nintendo didn't approach the majority of 'confirmed' developers -specifically western developers- for 3DS content.

Sony didn't have a balance of casual and core titles that would actually sell.

yeah, no. 

The platform with the most shovelware has always been the platform that sells the most.

...or maybe the platform that sells the most has always gotten the most shovelware. Just sayin'

Of course it works both ways.

But if you remember the first year's of the 'winners', then you should clearly remember the amount of garbage that was printed on discs.

[TripleA]

from the rumors, it's already going to be powerful enough to support everything i listed previously, so i don't see where it would hurt them or add any real cost to add that functionality and make it part of the marketing

what's the point of developing hardware more powerful than last gen's consoles if you're not going to utilize it and cram a bunch of cartoon tower defense games on the marketplace?

you guys keep saying they should aim for the nintendo and apple markets, but you're forgetting that those markets are already filled by, well, nintendo and apple

a potential customer is going to see a psp2 marketed in that way and say to themselves "why do i need to spend $300 on this fucking thing when i can already play angry birds on my phone?"

but what other handheld out there could be used to play a game on the bus (or on your lunch break, etc), then be taken home, plugged into your tv/surround system, and wirelessly connected to a couple of controllers so that you could continue the same game on the big screen with a friend/family member?

not a one - and that's an interesting, salable feature

It would not be in Sony's best interest to release another gaming device that can be hooked up to an HDTV for the purpose of HD gaming and HD media playback.

It's definitely an interesting feature, but it's a feature that would definitely hurt the Ps3.

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[Sho Nuff]

"Geez guys, why didn't you call me"

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Bu bu bu Mark Rein says the DS sucks too much for Unreal Engine 3

[EmCeeGrammar]

Mark Rein is really good at trolling Nintendo.  I'm sure when Wii2 comes out, the newest revision of Unreal Engine won't be compatible.
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I'm sure there is a genuine reason its not a good fit, its just an inconvenient coincidence every time.

[TripleA]

Bu bu bu Mark Rein says the 3DS is underpowered for Unreal Engine 3

Funny, I actually agree with him.

[archie4208]

Bu bu bu Mark Rein says the DS sucks too much for Unreal Engine 3

I don't want those BAKA GAIJAN bald space marine games on the same handheld as my precious Zeruda.  I'm glad the 3DS can't do UE3.

[TripleA]

I wouldn't mind a portable Gears of War.

[pilonv1]

Portable PC

[Raban]

I wouldn't mind a portable Gears of War.

Weren't you slamming the 3DS for making the same "home-console-on-the-go" mistakes as the PSP? Wouldn't GeoW qualify as a console game that'd be crippled on a handheld?

[TripleA]

I wouldn't mind a portable Gears of War.

Weren't you slamming the 3DS for making the same "home-console-on-the-go" mistakes as the PSP? Wouldn't GeoW qualify as a console game that'd be crippled on a handheld?

Did you read Green Man's post?

[maxy]

Nintendo fans should realize that big name western devs don't give a shit about Nintendo and their kiddy hardware.
I have a felling that despite new Nintendo mantra "bu bu bu third party third party" 3DS will only get bunch of shitty ports,shitty movie tie-ins and casual crap like imagine babies,now in 3D 

And that makes me  because i really want good western supported handheld.

The main problem for me is the control scheme,no dual analog=fail...I simply can't stand buttons as second analog replacement,i have the urge to break PSP in half,throw it through a closed window and crushing it with a tank
If we have to play downgraded console ports then at least let them control properly,that is much more important than some pixels and textures.

So our only hope is Sony...but they will probably do this

a)No dual analogs
b)Overcomplicated(i can do everything) design that excels at nothing,nobody will care about that
c)Too expensive

PS2 has a solid library that can be either emulated(unlikely) or remade for PSP2...that would require second analog...there a tons of older PC,Xbox games too...KOTOR on a handheld?Sign me in
Without good specs,controls and moneyhatting they will never get Bethesda,Bioware,Epic,Rockstar,etc truly on board...

[maxy]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-10-08-charge-cradle-confirmed-for-3ds

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has confirmed the 3DS will come with a special charger cradle.

Speaking during this month's Iwata Asks he said, "As for the battery, it is inevitable that Nintendo 3DS will be a device which requires more frequent recharging than Nintendo DS.

"This is why we are going to include the cradle, which is a dedicated battery charger."

And just in case 3DS owners forget to use it, Nintendo's going to offer a helpful reminder. "Perhaps we may need to dispatch to our consumers a message, something like, "Please place your Nintendo 3DS on the cradle as soon as you return home with it."

[TripleA]

The 3DS is sounding more and more like the PSP1.

[Great Rumbler]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-10-08-charge-cradle-confirmed-for-3ds

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has confirmed the 3DS will come with a special charger cradle.

Speaking during this month's Iwata Asks he said, "As for the battery, it is inevitable that Nintendo 3DS will be a device which requires more frequent recharging than Nintendo DS.

"This is why we are going to include the cradle, which is a dedicated battery charger."

And just in case 3DS owners forget to use it, Nintendo's going to offer a helpful reminder. "Perhaps we may need to dispatch to our consumers a message, something like, "Please place your Nintendo 3DS on the cradle as soon as you return home with it."

And...this is a surprise how?

[maxy]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-10-08-charge-cradle-confirmed-for-3ds

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has confirmed the 3DS will come with a special charger cradle.

Speaking during this month's Iwata Asks he said, "As for the battery, it is inevitable that Nintendo 3DS will be a device which requires more frequent recharging than Nintendo DS.

"This is why we are going to include the cradle, which is a dedicated battery charger."

And just in case 3DS owners forget to use it, Nintendo's going to offer a helpful reminder. "Perhaps we may need to dispatch to our consumers a message, something like, "Please place your Nintendo 3DS on the cradle as soon as you return home with it."

And...this is a surprise how?

No surprise,Nintendo was always cheap,3DS has probably DS battery

[Great Rumbler]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-10-08-charge-cradle-confirmed-for-3ds

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata has confirmed the 3DS will come with a special charger cradle.

Speaking during this month's Iwata Asks he said, "As for the battery, it is inevitable that Nintendo 3DS will be a device which requires more frequent recharging than Nintendo DS.

"This is why we are going to include the cradle, which is a dedicated battery charger."

And just in case 3DS owners forget to use it, Nintendo's going to offer a helpful reminder. "Perhaps we may need to dispatch to our consumers a message, something like, "Please place your Nintendo 3DS on the cradle as soon as you return home with it."

And...this is a surprise how?

No surprise,Nintendo was always cheap,3DS has probably DS battery

[magus]

The 3DS is sounding more and more like the PSP1.

i tought all the port made it already clear

[EmCeeGrammar]

I almost wish Nintendo had the balls to make this a predominantly 2d device again. I know thats STOOPID, but it's just my stoopid preference.

[Eel O'Brian]

pretty sure sony's slapping dual analog sticks on the next psp, considering that request makes up about 50% of the posts on any given "what would you include on psp2" message board thread

although i have read the rumors about that touch pad on the back, which would just be distinguished mentally-challenged on a stunning level (seriously, run your fingertips along the back of any handheld device as if you were controlling something, and see if it feels natural)

as for the 3ds, it does have the gyroscope, and i've read comments on iphone/touch threads that it works pretty well as a "camera look" alternative

[EmCeeGrammar]

I think the touch screen on the back of a psp2 would be used for games that just use that one side. So essentially, it would be a ds, but you either play button games on one side or touchscreen games akin to smartphones on the other.

[Eel O'Brian]

i thought it was just a touch pad, like on laptops?

[Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich]

I think the touch screen on the back of a psp2 would be used for games that just use that one side. So essentially, it would be a ds, but you either play button games on one side or touchscreen games akin to smartphones on the other.

That sounds stupid. It's like the Motorola Backflip then, more or less:



(yes it flips the wrong way around)

[TripleA]

Technically, it's the only way Sony can implement both 3D and touch in the device without adding a second screen.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I think the touch screen on the back of a psp2 would be used for games that just use that one side. So essentially, it would be a ds, but you either play button games on one side or touchscreen games akin to smartphones on the other.

That sounds stupid. It's like the Motorola Backflip then, more or less:

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(yes it flips the wrong way around)

?
I'm saying they would have essentially a psp as is, but on the other side of the unit would be ANOTHER lcd, this one is touch sensitive. Therefore, sony could easily acquire Iphone games on their digital download store, in addition to catering to traditional game developers who are fond of buttons. That's just me speculating what makes sense. I like to think I'm good at predicting these kinds of things. I was super close to figuring out what the DS was going to look like back when it was only a name.

[TripleA]

The PSP2 should be all touch. Like, every inch of the device should respond to touch.

Touching is good.

[TakingBackSunday]

Shit-bin this thread of terrible opinions

[Eel O'Brian]

yeah, it's not a separate screen on the back, it's a panel/pad:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-08-19-new-psp-has-touch-sensitive-controls