October NPD

[maxy]

numbers,numbers,numbers

Following the release of the NPD October sales report, IndustryGamers has learned that Nintendo sold just 232,000 units of the Wii console, putting it firmly in third place yet again. The Xbox 360 sold 325,000 units, while Sony's PS3 sold 250,000 units. The Wii sales figure represents a year-over-year decline of 54% while PS3 was down 22% and 360 was up 30%.

Software sales for Nintendo didn't fare much better, either, as the Wii software sales were down 26% to $32 million and DS software sales were down 32% to $23 million. Xbox 360 software sales, on the other hand, were up 44% to $81 million, and PS3 software sales were up $27 million (17%).

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/wii-sells-232000-in-october-places-third-again/

From gaf

Software sales:

360: $265 million
PS3: $186 million
WII: $91 million
NDS: $49 million

PS2 + PSP: $14 million (605 - 591)

[maxy]

Tony Hawk: Shred sold

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3000 copies

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[iconoclast]

 

Tony Hawk has been trash since THPS4. Ever since they removed the stage time limits and started adding all of that Jackass shit to the games, it's been unbelievably awful. Put a bullet into this franchise already.

[pilonv1]

Tony Hawk: Shred sold

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3000 copies

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Bizarre died for their sins

[Cindi Mayweather]

The Wii isn't much more than a toy you pull out every Thanksgiving and Christmas for family fun. Nintendo seemed to think it would dominate family rooms but the 360 and PS3 made better, faster strides in that area (Blu Ray, Netflix, movies etc); Nintendo eventually jumped on that bandwagon but it's pretty late now.

Rock Band/GH are still wildly popular, but that audience has reached its saturation point; you can't expect a casual audience to continue buying the same product and accessories over and over again. Likewise Wii Sports satisfies its audience, making stuff like Wii Party rather irrelevant.

The failure of the Wii is in the game designer's inability to create new games to further captivate the casual audience reeled in by Wii Sports.

Non-peripheral music games are pretty much dead now as well. Shame, because I always preferred non-peripheral music games like Parappa.

[Purple Filth]

Well the GAF shills are in full force for their companies 


ouch @ Tony Hawk and that cow needs to be placed in the slaughter house.

and according to the comparisons to last year 360 and PS3 basically swapped hardware numbers while nintendo's numbers just fell.

[Stoney Mason]

The funny part is that if they had just made regular old classic Tony Hawk they would have sold more and it would have cost less to make. They have no understanding of that market at all. If they put a classic HD edition of the old school Tony Hawk games on Xbox Live they would make more money than they have on that Tony Hawk board.

That's what happens when you chase fads like the Wii board and try to Guitar Hero everybody with peripherals. People lose their jobs and the franchise dies.

[Stoney Mason]

It's really crazy that the PS3 isn't beating the 360 every month though, but Ive been around folks that proclaimed "Once they're both the same price, 360 is finished." for far too long.

The thing is it's not 2005 anymore. That perceived tech advantage that the PS 3 used to hold doesn't really exist anymore. When you go buy a new 360 now its comparable to the PS 3 via hard drive size, and such. The only real advantage the PS 3 still has is blu-ray and I just don't think that is the draw DVD players originally were like with the PS 2. Not to mention a shitty economy and the arcade unit for MS really helps out. Hell I bought a refurbished unit for 99 dollars this month at gamestop. I debated getting a PS 3 but then just said fuck it. I'd rather replace my dying 360 and keep the extra money for myself.

[Mupepe]

Also I'm glad for Fable III and Xbox 360. It's really crazy that the PS3 isn't beating the 360 every month though, but Ive been around folks that proclaimed "Once they're both the same price, 360 is finished." for far too long.

I'm tired of posting something about my 360 on Facebook and having all the bros tell me to buy a PS3    I have one, dipshits.  Jesus Christ.  I guess the PS3 is officially the cool underdog now for bros.

[maxy]

Pachter estimates total unit sales for the first six weeks on the market

With firm sales figures still unavailable, US analyst Michael Pachter has said that he believes Sony’s PlayStation Move controller has sold 400k units in the US since its launch in the territory in mid-September.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/41847/Move-sales-pegged-at-400k-in-US

September estimate was 300k

So if we assume that average person bought bundle(wand+camera),wand and navigation controller...about 100k people own "Move"

[Eel O'Brian]

Or fuck it, do Pro Skater IV and have Tony skating on the milky way or some equally crazy shit.

If they did a Silver Surfer game with that Tony Hawk board I would totally buy it.

[Diunx]

Also I'm glad for Fable III and Xbox 360. It's really crazy that the PS3 isn't beating the 360 every month though, but Ive been around folks that proclaimed "Once they're both the same price, 360 is finished." for far too long.

I'm tired of posting something about my 360 on Facebook and having all the bros tell me to buy a PS3    I have one, dipshits.  Jesus Christ.  I guess the PS3 is officially the cool underdog now for bros.

I added you as a friend on psn, buy a cheap version of the original street fighters 4 and kick my ass papi

[Raban]

Or fuck it, do Pro Skater IV and have Tony skating on the milky way or some equally crazy shit.

If they did a Silver Surfer game with that Tony Hawk board I would totally buy it.

With Kinect support

[Eel O'Brian]

that'd be pretty awesome, then you could bust out with the power cosmic

[Raban]

Let's make this game, Eel.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Or fuck it, do Pro Skater IV and have Tony skating on the milky way or some equally crazy shit.

If they did a Silver Surfer game with that Tony Hawk board I would totally buy it.

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[Philip Cardgage]

Someone bought me that game and I'm pretty sure I hated them after.

[Eel O'Brian]

Let's make this game, Eel.

I have no coding skills whatsoever, but I have read a lot of Silver Surfer comics!  I am pretty sure this serves as a qualification to make Move and Kinect games.

[ManaByte]

Or fuck it, do Pro Skater IV and have Tony skating on the milky way or some equally crazy shit.

[Raban]

I really want Neversoft to come back and do another regular Tony Hawk game. Just reboot the series or something, but retain the core gameplay. I own every game in the series except THUG2 and American Wasteland. I love Skate, don't get me wrong, but I dearly miss new Tony Hawk games coming out.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I'm sure Nintendo is planning to drop the Wii to $149.  Wii Party tanking is just a sign that the Wii bubble has long since burst but I think we all knew that.  Except for the insane 3 million sales in December 2009, the Wii for the past two years has normalized, sales wise.  Wii Fit is almost three years old and soccer moms have long since moved onto something else.  Old people are still probably playing Wii Bowling and not getting much else.  In fact, I'd say the mass majority of Wiis are collecting dust, handed off to a nephew or niece, or in a box in a closet.

The PS3 doing what it is isn't surprising.  Sony lost the casual market from the beginning to the Xbox 360.  The obvious proof was that multiplatform sales were always 2-3x what PS3 had.  Since most casual gamers will just buy what their friends own and play, it is inevitable that 360 sales would maintain and PS3 would always be struggling.  Nobody gives a rat's ass about what Sony is dishing up these days.  GT5 will have the console see some temporary marginal gains but it will go back to where it was in two or three months.

Edit: I too won't be surprised if Wii gets dropped in support for the 3DS.  Nintendo has never really shown much respect for their fans.  I could see Wii being dropped for the 3DS, first party software-wise.

[Oblivion]

Oh shit, Wii Party was developed by EAD? I thought it was some Hudson shit to replace Mario Party.

Wow, that makes it much worse...

[Phoenix Dark]

Software sells hardware, and games wise there's no reason to buy a Wii - nor has there been for some time. The gimmick worked for a long time but Nintendo missed out by not doing anything interesting with the console.

The same discussions we heard about how amazing x game would be on the Wii when it was revealed are STILL going on.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Holy shit, MadWorld first month > combined Vanquish numbers.

   Where's your god now 

But really that is sad, Vanquish looked neat.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I can't wait for nintendo to release a new console, its been 9 years.

I'm glad they overclocked the gamecube so I didn't have to :

[Diunx]

Holy shit, MadWorld first month > combined Vanquish numbers.

   Where's your god now 

But really that is sad, Vanquish looked neat.

Vanquish is fucking awesome, but apparently gamers are happy just playing the same old shit shooters, I bet the first cod map pack is gonna sell more in 1 hour than Vanquish will in its lifetime smh.

[tiesto]

Holy shit, MadWorld first month > combined Vanquish numbers.

   Where's your god now 

But really that is sad, Vanquish looked neat.

SEGA's advertising sucks, lol. What I've seen of Vanquish looked pretty neat, certainly more interesting than the Gears and other cover-shooter games.

[demi]

Vanquish isnt that special guys. But continue deluding yourselves

[Eel O'Brian]

but demi, it's japanese!

[Stoney Mason]

Today, a number of analysts--Wilson included--circulated notes to investors offering their takes on what did and didn't live up to expectations. While NBA 2K11 and Fallout: New Vegas both exceeded Wilson's expectations, many of the month's other high-profile games did not. In particular, Wilson called NBA Jam for the Wii and EA MMA "dismal failures so far." According to analyst notes, neither game broke the 50,000-sold mark.

Remember in that Wii thread where I said nobody in their right mind was going to pay $50 dollars for a modern day version of NBA Jam and that it should be an XBLA title with XBLA pricing.

Yeah.

[pilonv1]

But EA sabotaged it themselves! Just like RE4

[Eel O'Brian]

it's pretty obvious people are just getting tired of paying $50-$60 for games in general, unless they're bang for the buck games like CoD or New Vegas

The publisher solution to this growing problem, of course, will be to sell you half a game for less money and make up some of the rest via dlc  (which some are already doing at $60)

[Stoney Mason]

it's pretty obvious people are just getting tired of paying $50-$60 for games in general, unless they're bang for the buck games like CoD or New Vegas

The publisher solution to this growing problem, of course, will be to sell you half a game for less money and make up some of the rest via dlc  (which some are already doing at $60)

THQ has recently said more games should be $40.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20022646-17.html


But yeah I agree. Most game consumers are pretty value conscious nowadays. So unless your game has a lot of modes or is a pretty substantial game in length consumers are passing on it. It's hard to compete with games like COD or Reach that have a shitload of content with the multiplayer or games like Red Dead Redemption or Mass Effect or New Vegas, or Assassin's Creed that simply have a lot of content in the SP. Games that can't compete with that have no chance at $60.

[iconoclast]

SEGA's advertising sucks, lol.

I don't even think they advertised it outside of Japan.

Still the best TPS ever created though. Someday the mainstream will learn to identify quality.

[cool breeze]

Sega is cool because they published two games I really liked this year (Vanquish and Alpha Protocol)

But they also suck because both bombed horribly and there is no chance for sequels 


and according to gaf, Kirby Epic Yawn did worse than Wii Party at around 100,000.  To put that into perspective, more people bought Fallout New Vegas for the PC AND at a store.

[pilonv1]

Exactly. Name one where it has. I bet you cant.

[iconoclast]

I never said that was a problem with video games exclusively!

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I'm not sure why people thought NBA Jam was going to be big.  A quick look at Wikipedia shows that the series ended in handheld hell before discontinued.  It's a dead franchise that never had nostalgia going for it like some people believed.  Time to move on.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Today, a number of analysts--Wilson included--circulated notes to investors offering their takes on what did and didn't live up to expectations. While NBA 2K11 and Fallout: New Vegas both exceeded Wilson's expectations, many of the month's other high-profile games did not. In particular, Wilson called NBA Jam for the Wii and EA MMA "dismal failures so far." According to analyst notes, neither game broke the 50,000-sold mark.

Remember in that Wii thread where I said nobody in their right mind was going to pay $50 dollars for a modern day version of NBA Jam and that it should be an XBLA title with XBLA pricing.

Yeah.

You, sir, may not be familiar with Wii sales trends. Games that end up in the hundreds of thousands often start at such low numbers.
Although, it may take a price drop.  And furthermore, they didn't run tv spots for the game.

[Stoney Mason]

Yeah

You keep thinking NBA Jam at that price is gonna be some mega long term seller....


More importantly we'll see how that franchise ends up long term.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Yeah

You keep thinking NBA Jam at that price is gonna be some mega long term seller....


More importantly we'll see how that franchise ends up long term.

Conversely, you're suggesting that a cheaper price would be the only factor to make it successful.
I'm not calling it one way or the other. But wii game sales patterns are known for their long tails and not being frontloaded. Not saying that is going to happen here, those other factors include brand awareness. My main point is that I doubt the average consumer is not going to see this game on the shelf and make the assumption that is 'light on content'. They'll just know its a basketball game and whatever the back of the box gives them impression of.

[Stoney Mason]

What I'm saying is that NBA Jam's selling potential is based on nostalgia and very simple arcade gameplay. And those two things don't factor favorably with a $50 dollar price tag. It's why Pac Man Championship edition is a great idea as an Xbox Live title but not such a great idea as a stand-alone $50 retail package that you've put a lot of development resources into, to drive up that price. It's why the HD versions aren't going to sell very well either.

I love NBA Jam. Probably more than anyone on this board. But you can't sell it to me for $50 dollars and expect me to buy it.

[Philip Cardgage]

Hey eemcee, how does it feel to have stuck your dick in to the wrong horse's ass?

[Philip Cardgage]

You really don't remember, was it something that he said?
Are the voices in your head calling, Gloria?
Gloria, don't you think you're fallin'?
If everybody wants you, why isn't anybody callin'?
You don't have to answer
Leave them hangin' on the line, oh-oh-oh, calling Gloria
Gloria (Gloria), I think they got your number (Gloria)
I think they got the alias (Gloria) that you've been living under (Gloria)
But you really don't remember, was it something that they said?
Are the voices in your head calling, Gloria?

[EmCeeGrammar]

Hey eemcee, how does it feel to have stuck your dick in to the wrong horse's ass?

Does your horses shit not stink or something?

What I'm saying is that NBA Jam's selling potential is based on nostalgia and very simple arcade gameplay. And those two things don't factor favorably with a $50 dollar price tag. It's why Pac Man Championship edition is a great idea as an Xbox Live title but not such a great idea as a stand-alone $50 retail package that you've put a lot of development resources into, to drive up that price. It's why the HD versions aren't going to sell very well either.

I love NBA Jam. Probably more than anyone on this board. But you can't sell it to me for $50 dollars and expect me to buy it.

I think the 50-60 dollar pricetag doesn't factor favorably in with most games these days, see this NPD!  But I don't think putting it on a DD service at a cheaper price is the ONLY guaranteed way for it to be successful, its not even guaranteed to be noticed.  I could very well see the retail versions making out alright after the holidays, but EA could have done better advertising their product.

[maxy]

Wii "software" sales legs were driven by insane hardware sales,without that Wii is just another Gamecube or even something worse.
Large install base won't matter shit if userbase becomes dormant(see PS2,PSP) and due to Nintendo stupidity Wii is becoming just that.Something that is forgotten and collects dust in some closet.

[AdmiralViscen]

Today, a number of analysts--Wilson included--circulated notes to investors offering their takes on what did and didn't live up to expectations. While NBA 2K11 and Fallout: New Vegas both exceeded Wilson's expectations, many of the month's other high-profile games did not. In particular, Wilson called NBA Jam for the Wii and EA MMA "dismal failures so far." According to analyst notes, neither game broke the 50,000-sold mark.

Remember in that Wii thread where I said nobody in their right mind was going to pay $50 dollars for a modern day version of NBA Jam and that it should be an XBLA title with XBLA pricing.

Yeah.

You, sir, may not be familiar with Wii sales trends. Games that end up in the hundreds of thousands often start at such low numbers.
Although, it may take a price drop.  And furthermore, they didn't run tv spots for the game.

Wii software sales are down like 30% this year


But yea I'm sure a group-oriented game like NBA Jam will really see its sales potential take off after the holidays.

[maxy]

For this month

Software sales:

360: $265 million
PS3: $186 million
WII: $91 million
NDS: $49 million

PS2 + PSP: $14 million (605 - 591)

[EmCeeGrammar]

Today, a number of analysts--Wilson included--circulated notes to investors offering their takes on what did and didn't live up to expectations. While NBA 2K11 and Fallout: New Vegas both exceeded Wilson's expectations, many of the month's other high-profile games did not. In particular, Wilson called NBA Jam for the Wii and EA MMA "dismal failures so far." According to analyst notes, neither game broke the 50,000-sold mark.

Remember in that Wii thread where I said nobody in their right mind was going to pay $50 dollars for a modern day version of NBA Jam and that it should be an XBLA title with XBLA pricing.

Yeah.

You, sir, may not be familiar with Wii sales trends. Games that end up in the hundreds of thousands often start at such low numbers.
Although, it may take a price drop.  And furthermore, they didn't run tv spots for the game.

Wii software sales are down like 30% this year


But yea I'm sure a group-oriented game like NBA Jam will really see its sales potential take off after the holidays.

The holidays haven't even started, mang!

[archie4208]

ROCK BAND 

SOLD WORSE THAN GH 

No it didn't. 

Rock Band 3 (all platforms) -- 140K

[maxy]

archie

The Worst Poster Ever

[AdmiralViscen]

Today, a number of analysts--Wilson included--circulated notes to investors offering their takes on what did and didn't live up to expectations. While NBA 2K11 and Fallout: New Vegas both exceeded Wilson's expectations, many of the month's other high-profile games did not. In particular, Wilson called NBA Jam for the Wii and EA MMA "dismal failures so far." According to analyst notes, neither game broke the 50,000-sold mark.

Remember in that Wii thread where I said nobody in their right mind was going to pay $50 dollars for a modern day version of NBA Jam and that it should be an XBLA title with XBLA pricing.

Yeah.

You, sir, may not be familiar with Wii sales trends. Games that end up in the hundreds of thousands often start at such low numbers.
Although, it may take a price drop.  And furthermore, they didn't run tv spots for the game.

Wii software sales are down like 30% this year


But yea I'm sure a group-oriented game like NBA Jam will really see its sales potential take off after the holidays.

The holidays haven't even started, mang!

I could very well see the retail versions making out alright after the holidays, but EA could have done better advertising their product.

[ferrarimanf355]

Move.

Home.

Room.

You're tearing me apart, Lisa Molotov.

[maxy]

btw,what happened to Room,is it canceled or what?
not following Japan stuff lately

home gets mentioned from time to time

[EmCeeGrammar]

Today, a number of analysts--Wilson included--circulated notes to investors offering their takes on what did and didn't live up to expectations. While NBA 2K11 and Fallout: New Vegas both exceeded Wilson's expectations, many of the month's other high-profile games did not. In particular, Wilson called NBA Jam for the Wii and EA MMA "dismal failures so far." According to analyst notes, neither game broke the 50,000-sold mark.

Remember in that Wii thread where I said nobody in their right mind was going to pay $50 dollars for a modern day version of NBA Jam and that it should be an XBLA title with XBLA pricing.

Yeah.

You, sir, may not be familiar with Wii sales trends. Games that end up in the hundreds of thousands often start at such low numbers.
Although, it may take a price drop.  And furthermore, they didn't run tv spots for the game.

Wii software sales are down like 30% this year


But yea I'm sure a group-oriented game like NBA Jam will really see its sales potential take off after the holidays.

The holidays haven't even started, mang!

I could very well see the retail versions making out alright after the holidays, but EA could have done better advertising their product.

I mean that after the holidays are over with I could see it having sold a decent amount during that time. I wasn't implying it was going to sell better after the holidays. Thats stupid.

[demi]

lol @ MOH selling over a million. There is not even 3000 people playing online.

[maxy]

From gaf

Castlevania PS3>Naruto PS3>Wii Party>Kirby Wii>Castlevania 360>Naruto 360>Rock Band 360>Rock Band PS3>Enslaved PS3>NBA Jam Wii>Pro Evolution Soccer PS3>Enslaved 360>Vanquish PS3>FIFA 11 Wii>Vanquish 360>Rock Band Wii>Pro Evolution Soccer 360

lol

[Eel O'Brian]

lol @ MOH selling over a million. There is not even 3000 people playing online.

that explains all those $30 black friday deals

[Bebpo]

so basically every game in that chain is a bomb?


harsh month for companies.

[maxy]

vanquish combined is less than 50k